tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post3170665101906924102..comments2023-10-31T09:28:27.222+00:00Comments on JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND THE TWINS: PROGRESS ON ROGATORY LETTERS AT LAST!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger200125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-72407661587689558842008-02-29T22:40:00.000+00:002008-02-29T22:40:00.000+00:00Viv,I wonder if anyone knew this,as far as I can r...Viv,<BR/>I wonder if anyone knew this,as far as I can remember I never heard of Scotland Yard's involvement before.<BR/>Have you?<BR/>xx D<BR/>From the 3A's<BR/><BR/>English version<BR/>30-08-2007<BR/>Scotland Yard in the Algarve<BR/>Because of Maddie case<BR/><BR/>Members of the New Scotland Yard who have been in charge of the case in England have arrived in the Algarve.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The three investigators, amongst them the head of the investigation in the UK, are in the Algarve to exchange views with the Portuguese investigative police and to evaluate the latest developments and define strategies regarding the case.<BR/><BR/>A source linked to the investigation told SIC that the investigative police is still waiting on the results of the samples that were sent to the Birmingham laboratory. They refute news published on Thursday that assures that the UK lab was unable to reach any conclusion.<BR/><BR/>And the video Links for the "bad feeling between the Portuguese police and British police because the PJ are accusing the British forensic experts of "botching the tests"<BR/><BR/>http://videos.sapo.pt/KmOSzZ2YJEcZZawWdHP6<BR/>http://videos.sapo.pt/CLqOgYCIaj04y72Zk1Hzdoloreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454897341541809782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-71985928716592439462008-02-29T18:41:00.000+00:002008-02-29T18:41:00.000+00:00Hi WizardI suspected if I asked you that question ...Hi Wizard<BR/><BR/>I suspected if I asked you that question I would get a really interesting answer and thanks so much for going to the trouble of doing such a good one. I hope you dont mind but I think it is so good I have put on a separate thread. Opinion is clearly divided or quite uncertain as to who was actually responsible and it is a very interesting point to debate.<BR/><BR/>Thanks <BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-18483568082007024412008-02-29T18:12:00.000+00:002008-02-29T18:12:00.000+00:00Viv,We share the same views. I haven't time to sc...Viv,<BR/><BR/>We share the same views. I haven't time to scroll back - I'm about to cook dinner - someone said earlier than one of the trolls (name forgotten) wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit them.<BR/><BR/>Trolls all know the truth, just as the Officials in the Jersey case knew. Apart from McCann relatives, the remaining trolls are doing the job they are paid to do. Turn a deaf ear and blind eye and get those speaking the TRUTH 'sacked off'.<BR/><BR/>I hope and pray that the British carer in the Jersey case is still alive and gives the Police his statement of events. He was abused by the Establishment whilst trying to protect those dear children. 18.15 p.m.2345https://www.blogger.com/profile/04247950810805295689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-64722239347088904552008-02-29T18:03:00.000+00:002008-02-29T18:03:00.000+00:00Gosh Irina If Tanner and O'Brien change their stat...Gosh Irina <BR/><BR/>If Tanner and O'Brien change their statements that must surely be curtains for Kate and Gerry. If I ws advising them I would certainly tell them to do so because they could face a massive sentence if they do not. Telling the truth now will certainly mitigage their sentence but they may still get a custodial! Personally I am not so certain Payne is lying or at least not to that extent although he does work near Gerry I think at Leics Uni if memory serves.<BR/><BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-89347162028011701742008-02-29T18:01:00.000+00:002008-02-29T18:01:00.000+00:00wizard,I agree and also think the McCanns stayed c...wizard,<BR/><BR/>I agree and also think the McCanns stayed close for exactly the same reasons as Huntley - fear due to guilt. I also believe PJ appeared much sharper than the group had anticipated, i.e. they were not convinced an abduction had occurred so there was a need to stay and start a PR campaign based on the false plea.<BR/><BR/>It's been the McCanns versus Police from 3 May to date. The damning forensic evidence presented to them at interview was probably a bit of a bombshell given the lengths they took to destroy it. So they fled ... and continued the McCann versus Police campaign from Britain.<BR/><BR/>Huntley stayed close in the hope of monitoring the evidence found by the Police; the McCanns have tried and failed to do likewise.<BR/>This is one of the reasons Forums are so heavily monitored. <BR/><BR/>The McCanns only means of defence was to hand pick Metado 3 to do their 'dirty' work; staged performances obtaining false witness accounts to support their lies and cover up. Defence by media was clearly the intention when they raised £1.3 m under false pretences. 18.00 p.m.2345https://www.blogger.com/profile/04247950810805295689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-20595291081468586802008-02-29T17:47:00.000+00:002008-02-29T17:47:00.000+00:00Hi Viv/FelicityMy previous post only copied half o...Hi Viv/Felicity<BR/><BR/>My previous post only copied half onto the forum site - for what its worth I copy below the full post. <BR/><BR/>My current view on who harmed Madeleine hasn’t changed much, but perhaps before I was 90/95% certain now after reading so many inconsistencies in statements, watching behaviour and listening to spin there is no doubt in my mind. <BR/><BR/>I think Kate is the more volatile one and quite simply lost her temper with Madeleine during the afternoon of the 3rd May perhaps even earlier. Gerry is controlling and decided the best thing to do was to cover things up and Kate agreed to this. They might even have deluded themselves into thinking this was purely an accident and therefore they shouldn’t be punished losing their life style and remaining children. The abduction was thought to be the best plan to cover their tracks. Everything that happened from 8.25pm 3rd May was staged.<BR/><BR/>Looking at the Mc’s behaviour if we disregard the abduction theory and forward the culpability of the parents in the manslaughter of their daughter and the subsequent cover up of what really happened. The Mc’s have always got a problem they know what really happened and, therefore, their true reactions to the death of their daughter have to be masked because they want people to believe in an abduction and therefore a possibility arises that Madeleine could still be alive. <BR/><BR/>To continually second guess what the reactions of grieving parents worried witless by the disappearance of their daughter would be is difficult to pull off. That’s why nothing they appear to do seems right, they are second guessing appropriate behaviour. <BR/><BR/>This is probably why they stayed in Portugal for so long, they were unable to accurately determine when it would be appropriate for grieving parents to leave. Imo they overcooked it and they stayed too long. The decision about when to leave was made for them by the pj who made them arguidos thus necessitating a quick departure. <BR/><BR/>It is possible and very speculative on my part that Tanner was with Kate when the “accident” occurred and for whatever reason has agreed to stay quite and cover up for her friends. I don’t know what anyone else thinks on that point.<BR/><BR/>The reason why I think Gerry did not caused the “accident” is because I’m not sure Kate would have agreed to cover for him especially when she was put in the frame by the pj as the guilty party.<BR/>Best Regards - Wizard 17:47Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-87777796965606654062008-02-29T17:41:00.000+00:002008-02-29T17:41:00.000+00:00If we disregard the abduction theory and forward t...If we disregard the abduction theory and forward the culpability of the parents in the manslaughter of their daughter and the subsequent cover up of what really happened. <BR/>The Mc’s have always got a problem they know what really happened and, therefore, their true reactions to the death of their daughter have to be masked because they want people to believe in an abduction and therefore a possibility arises that Madeleine could still be alive. <BR/><BR/>To continually second guess what the reactions of grieving parents worried witless by the disappearance of their daughter would be is difficult to pull off. That’s why nothing they appear to do seems right, they are second guessing appropriate behaviour. <BR/><BR/>This is probably why they stayed in Portugal for so long, they were unable to accurately determine when it would be appropriate for grieving parents to leave. As pointed out they overcooked it and they stayed too long. The decision about when to leave was made for them by the pj who made them arguidos thus necessitating a quick departure. <BR/><BR/>Apologies for the length of this post. <BR/><BR/>Regards Wizard 17:41pmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-54699030817882480632008-02-29T17:10:00.000+00:002008-02-29T17:10:00.000+00:00Hello everyone,It seems that jastce is getting upp...Hello everyone,<BR/>It seems that jastce is getting upper hand.<BR/><BR/>Interesting paragraph from Joana Morais translation of Correio de Manha article:<BR/><BR/>"The first persons to be questioned<BR/>will be Jane Tanner, David Paine and Russel O'Brien, whose lawyers revealed the intention of their clients to alter their first statements." <BR/><BR/>Are they going to tell the truth?irinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05096197149628613568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-1111824589161253772008-02-29T16:51:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:51:00.000+00:00Hiya 2345 - great post about psychological bullyin...Hiya 2345 - great post about psychological bullying to protect child abusers. As you say, until recent years we did not have the internet for people to stand firm together and fight back. It is a powerful tool against those who rely upon lies, bulling and subterfuge to cover up their systematic abuse of children. <BR/><BR/>As you say it is also wonderful that we have these highly trained dogs unearthing the horrors of the past. The more enlightened we can become about child abuse, the abusers and their modus operandi, the more we can seek to protect innocent little children.<BR/><BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-55156560707437819192008-02-29T16:45:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:45:00.000+00:002345 - lol darling - that told her!"louise,Toddle ...2345 - lol darling - that told her!<BR/><BR/>"louise,<BR/><BR/>Toddle off ... you're unutterably boring. Tele sales is more your style. 3.33 p.m"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Viv :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-67173901121012913652008-02-29T16:41:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:41:00.000+00:0016.402345,Thanks for your kind remarks!Being Jewis...16.40<BR/><BR/>2345,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your kind remarks!<BR/><BR/>Being Jewish, I've grown up with pickled herring - but until now, didn't realise the pickling was a result of vodka! <BR/><BR/>Actually, every so often I do get quite a hankering for oily fish (will have to wean myself off it once my beak starts to go orange). I also know a good recipe for pan-fried fish with a crispy skin - but then again, my heritage has conditioned me to think that everything tastes delicious if it is fried!<BR/><BR/>X Little Grey Coronary (God forbid)LittleGreyCellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14504720436503284900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-3976074147312061012008-02-29T16:37:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:37:00.000+00:00Wizard hello,great to hear from you - what is your...Wizard hello,<BR/><BR/>great to hear from you - what is your current view as to the one most likely to have harmed Madeleine?<BR/><BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-53786058807525969122008-02-29T16:30:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:30:00.000+00:00Afternoon All,2345 have jut been reading your 2.05...Afternoon All,<BR/><BR/>2345 have jut been reading your 2.05 post and its good to be reminded of past events in least we forget. <BR/><BR/>Regards Wizard 16.29pmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-37226966546138919312008-02-29T16:23:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:23:00.000+00:00Hi MuldoonWe do get these leaks from time to time ...Hi Muldoon<BR/><BR/>We do get these leaks from time to time when the press get wind of something i.e. the barn and the bloody towel. I think Ironside posted there were also some sort of embalming fluids found. As you say this seems to have been discovered as a result of mobil phone triagulation.<BR/><BR/>Then suddenly everything gets hushed up. If this leak is credible, and the ones emanating directly from Portugal do appear to be, I think we just have to wait for it all to come out. <BR/><BR/>Doc and Ironside made some really interesting posts about that. I ws a bit disbelieving because at the same time we got reports of I think it was three creepy men smoking, hanging around the McCanns apartment that night - so just wondered whether this was part of the same spin. Hard to keep track of all these creepy men stories!<BR/><BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-73203212423195254772008-02-29T16:21:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:21:00.000+00:00Viv,Rogatory letters - yes, cannot remember who th...Viv,<BR/><BR/>Rogatory letters - yes, cannot remember who though and I've seen nothing in today's press. No doubt trying to 'whitewash' Government interference and delays.<BR/>4.20 p.m.2345https://www.blogger.com/profile/04247950810805295689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-85678808754096611542008-02-29T16:14:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:14:00.000+00:00Hiya 2345 - thanks for that - did someone say the ...Hiya 2345 - thanks for that - did someone say the press were reporting rogatory letters?<BR/><BR/>Sorry I am just trying to read back!<BR/><BR/>Doppel<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your post about the multiple poster on the DE claiming Maddie was A1 Paaedophile perfect. What a sick mentality this displays. As you say, presumably because she was Arian! I have noted on so many occasions Mum21, Rosie (Rozipoz - admitted right wing racist) sound just like they belong to the BNP with the hideous racist views they portray. I think there is a movement in the UK to whip up xeonophobia and cannot help but wonder if some are using this case to demonstrate just how "inferior" foreigners are. It might not be deliberate though, I suppose it is just that people who seek to excuse child abuse tend to have other irrational and prejudiced views. They go into a frenzy of rage blaming the Portuguese Police when in reality the blame obviously has nothing to do with them. ~The NSPCC produce a simple leaflet for parents on leaving children home alone. It states quite categorically that babies and young children should never be left alone, not even for a few minutes. Now we know that Kate and Gerry are not that simple they would need to read such a leaflet. It is also a criminal offence under the Children and Young Persons Act 1933 to expose children to risk of harm and unnecessary suffering. Exactly what the McCanns did - they were not even regularly checking them - Maddie cried for best part of two hours the night before and clearly was suffering terribly. One can only conclude Gerry determined she should suffer more still for her trouble. There just are no words really are they to adequately express the disgust and horror we feel, including towards thugs who seek to excuse them.<BR/><BR/>Hope - hiya darling - know your face does not look the least bit bovvered - and neither does my own:-)<BR/><BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-89595015028231510542008-02-29T16:12:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:12:00.000+00:00LCG,I laughed out loud; it looked very unappetizi...LCG,<BR/><BR/>I laughed out loud; it looked very unappetizing I have to say, grey soused herring parked next to a shot of vodka.<BR/><BR/>As children, we had herrings every week from a local fishmonger, fried, as I still love them to be cooked, crispy skin. These and mackeral have the highest omega-3 content of all fish. As your sharp wit testifies ! 4.15 p.m.2345https://www.blogger.com/profile/04247950810805295689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-12688051755586412762008-02-29T16:10:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:10:00.000+00:00Question for anyone...whatever happened aout the b...Question for anyone...whatever happened aout the barn and bloody towel that was discovered? I beleive I read that the barn was discovered after triangulation of Gerry and O'Briens mobiles.speak your mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245270920363598820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-43206237712145517052008-02-29T16:06:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:06:00.000+00:0016.102345,Vodka and herring? What a great idea! ...16.10<BR/><BR/>2345,<BR/><BR/>Vodka and herring? What a great idea! Enough of the first and you won't remember what you're eating...<BR/><BR/>X LGCLittleGreyCellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14504720436503284900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-36596121322537354652008-02-29T16:05:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:05:00.000+00:00Dolores,Between Alsabella's and Viv's blog it is a...Dolores,<BR/>Between Alsabella's and Viv's blog it is a lot of reading thats why I got confused. As you are probably now aware there was some banter yesterday regarding this. Read you later.<BR/>Zodiac 16.04 hrs<BR/><BR/>I CHOOSE NOT TO FEED THE TROLLS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-23610617275594543382008-02-29T16:02:00.001+00:002008-02-29T16:02:00.001+00:0016.05Dear Hope,Please don't be upset about Trolls ...16.05<BR/><BR/>Dear Hope,<BR/><BR/>Please don't be upset about Trolls reactions - after all, would you really want to be in agreement with them? That would only mean one thing...<BR/><BR/>...and after all, you do have a reputation to keep up as frontrunner in the Worst Poster Awards 2008! (I'm not envious, really, just a bit, erm, jealous).<BR/><BR/>My son has chosen his options, now. He's finally settled on what he first started out thinking he wanted to do, having flirted with 17 different subjects along the way. He's also come back to his very first plan for a degree, two or three years after he originally declared he wanted to do it.<BR/><BR/>Aarrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Have a lovely time tonight wherever you are, Hope. See you later.<BR/><BR/>X Little Grey CourseMotherLittleGreyCellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14504720436503284900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-5993659654881173582008-02-29T16:02:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:02:00.000+00:00Hope4truth,Have a great night out,clear your mind,...Hope4truth,<BR/>Have a great night out,clear your mind, and don't let them bover you, they are not that important, although they think they are,in their own minds.<BR/>xx Ddoloreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454897341541809782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-3737318863591676172008-02-29T16:01:00.001+00:002008-02-29T16:01:00.001+00:00Viv,I've been catching up on 3 A's and pasted two ...Viv,<BR/><BR/>I've been catching up on 3 A's and pasted two articles - reminders of Eddie & Keela's sterling work in Luz. Ironside's on top form on 3 A's - query fully resolved. I've also posted one or two things from today's press - Jersey case. No more news about Shannon, I'm sorry to say. 4.00 p.m.2345https://www.blogger.com/profile/04247950810805295689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-11221724098548752422008-02-29T16:01:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:01:00.000+00:00Doppelganger,I cannot understand the mentality of ...Doppelganger,<BR/><BR/>I cannot understand the mentality of the pro Macs and how low they will stoop to defend child neglect. Thank you for making me aware of how these peoples minds work. They are unbelievable. If they actually believe the rubbish they send, then why did the professional abductors not take all three perfect children. It would have been easy.<BR/>Zodiac 16.00hrs<BR/><BR/>I CHOOSE NOT TO FEED THE TROLLS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-41805729639777654972008-02-29T15:57:00.000+00:002008-02-29T15:57:00.000+00:00littlegreycell,New receipe - on TV last evening a ...littlegreycell,<BR/><BR/>New receipe - on TV last evening a visitor in Poland had vodka and herring for lunch !! 4.00 p.m.2345https://www.blogger.com/profile/04247950810805295689noreply@blogger.com