tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post3875239704907646383..comments2023-10-31T09:28:27.222+00:00Comments on JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND THE TWINS: NO WORDS FROM KATE ON GERRY'S LATEST PERFORMANCEUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-17813677047199260122009-04-08T20:42:00.000+01:002009-04-08T20:42:00.000+01:00In relation to possible Oprah questions how about ...In relation to possible Oprah questions how about starting with the police questions she didn't answer<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDpNyHqefk<BR/><BR/>48 questions straight off - very telling to not answer, ie not implicate oneself.bath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-61460968766397737292009-04-08T18:22:00.000+01:002009-04-08T18:22:00.000+01:00hiya BT, that sounds like a good idea, but perhaps...hiya BT, that sounds like a good idea, but perhaps we should wait to have this confirmed?<BR/><BR/>xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-22767170927423548012009-04-08T18:19:00.000+01:002009-04-08T18:19:00.000+01:00Well I feel we should all e-mail Viv 5 questions O...Well I feel we should all e-mail Viv 5 questions Oprah should ask them and we then let Viv collate and send say a top 20 to her show. <BR/><BR/>This farcical situation where parents of a missing child can swan around being interviewed when they may have been involved and are withholding answers to police questions is abhorent. <BR/><BR/>The first one I will forward will involve a bath.bath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-32918175726803507422009-04-08T18:18:00.000+01:002009-04-08T18:18:00.000+01:00Others have pointed out that if she was carried ou...Others have pointed out that if she was carried out of the apt, the dogs would struggle to pick up her scent, i.e. they would pick up Gerry or Payne's instead, but I doubt that was tested at the time, regrettably!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-32453457173318153852009-04-08T18:16:00.000+01:002009-04-08T18:16:00.000+01:00This is interesting..but even so people are strugg...This is interesting..but even so people are struggling to let go of the idea that the dogs confirmed Madeleine died in that apt. Not according to the Portuguese or British Police they dont!<BR/><BR/>Here is a translation of a recent SOL report (portugese newspaper)<BR/><BR/>05.08.07, 2:33pm<BR/><BR/>in Sol on August 4, 2007:<BR/><BR/>a report by Felicia Cabrita with Margarida Davim<BR/>translation by astro<BR/><BR/><BR/>On the dogs’ trail<BR/><BR/>The english dogs do not contradict the clues that were detected by the sniffer dog that GNR sent to the location, on the day following the english girl’s disappearance. It’s an animal that only follows odours, and that “detected the movement of the child from the room to another point inside the apartment”, according to a source with the Guarda.<BR/><BR/>The same source said that “based on that signal, it was not possible to conclude whether the child was alive or dead – because a sniffer dog will smell both the living and the dead”.<BR/><BR/>Yet, outside the house, both through the windows that faced the Tapas restaurant – where the McCanns had dinner with their seven friends – and through the main door, “the dog lost the trail, as if the child had exited, for example, rolled up in a blanket”, that source said.<BR/><BR/>http://functionpix.com/index.php/articl ... hook/1553/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-9358688421381493022009-04-08T18:03:00.000+01:002009-04-08T18:03:00.000+01:00HI BTIt seems to me the Oldfields were the least i...HI BT<BR/><BR/>It seems to me the Oldfields were the least involved and perhaps it could be said have the most to lose. After all they live in a one million pad in Kingston. In UK that would be a general acceptance you made it!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-39321163231909035222009-04-08T17:59:00.000+01:002009-04-08T17:59:00.000+01:00hi WizI thought the Oprah show already told them t...hi Wiz<BR/><BR/>I thought the Oprah show already told them this story must have a conclusion and with them being officially found to be innocent before they could appear on her show.<BR/><BR/>I have not seen either, so I wonder what has changed, if they really are to appear on Oprah? If so, she must surely put to them they have not been acquitted of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.<BR/><BR/>Is it officially confirmed they are to appear on Oprah because I could not find anything on her webpage?<BR/><BR/>If they are, as you say, the only thing that makes Kate feel fragile is being in Rothley waiting for the police to turn up, or being near the PJs in Portugal. I am sure she will feel a lot safer in America and far less fragile. Who will they dump the twins on for this jaunt, I wonder?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-6523134718499749232009-04-08T14:16:00.000+01:002009-04-08T14:16:00.000+01:00Hi All,I’ve just been reading that the Oprah show ...Hi All,<BR/><BR/>I’ve just been reading that the Oprah show is advertising the first live interview of the McCanns'in America on their show in May 2009.<BR/><BR/>Well, well... Kate is too fragile to go to Portugal but apparently she’s OK to swan off to America for a chat with Oprah. On the other hand she is unlikely to be arrested in America!Wizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647410173508843374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-68607266872626134482009-04-08T08:36:00.000+01:002009-04-08T08:36:00.000+01:00Maybe the couple who wanted to break ranks were th...Maybe the couple who wanted to break ranks were the Oldfield's ?bath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-30481920696185066512009-04-08T02:27:00.000+01:002009-04-08T02:27:00.000+01:00The above case also demonstrates that for Gerry Pa...The above case also demonstrates that for Gerry Payne and O'Brien in particular the police will never give up. Gerry acknowledges his predicament with his continuing desperate attempts to look innocent, rather than what he really is.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-40079605073955224632009-04-08T02:23:00.000+01:002009-04-08T02:23:00.000+01:00This case have very similar overtones:Page last up...This case have very similar overtones:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Page last updated at 18:28 GMT, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 19:28 UK<BR/>E-mail this to a friend Printable version<BR/>Police quiz Babes in Wood father<BR/>Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows<BR/>Karen Hadaway (left) and Nicola Fellows (right) were strangled<BR/><BR/>The father of one of the Babes in the Wood murder victims has been questioned by police on suspicion of sexually abusing his daughter.<BR/><BR/>Barrie Fellows, 59, of Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, and family friend Douglas Judd, 44, of Brighton, were arrested and bailed by detectives in Sussex.<BR/><BR/>They were both questioned about abuse of Nicola Fellows before she died.<BR/><BR/>The strangled bodies of Nicola, 10, and Karen Hadaway, nine, were found in Wild Park in Brighton in 1986.<BR/><BR/>A spokeswoman for Sussex Police said the investigation was "quite distinct from the ongoing unresolved inquiry into the Wild Park murders, commonly known as the 'Babes in the Wood' murders".<BR/><BR/>Mr Fellows was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to rape Nicola and Mr Judd was arrested on suspicion of rape. Both men were bailed until 18 June.<BR/><BR/>Bodies found<BR/><BR/>Nicola and Karen, both from Moulsecoomb, were last seen alive on the afternoon of 9 October 1986. Their bodies were found the next day.<BR/><BR/>Russell Bishop, a labourer who knew both girls and their families and had helped in the search, was acquitted of the murders in the following year.<BR/><BR/>Police say the abuse inquiry is 'distinct' from the murder investigation<BR/><BR/>Mr Fellows said after his release that a false allegation was made in 1987 by an ex-girlfriend of Bishop, which caused "massive distress" to him and his family.<BR/><BR/>He said: "I am absolutely devastated that the police have chosen to re-visit this false claim and arrest myself and another man."<BR/><BR/>He added: "Not a day goes by when Nicola is not on my mind and in my family's thoughts."<BR/><BR/>After a review of the case, Sussex Police said in 2006 that there was not enough new evidence to prosecute any possible suspects.<BR/><BR/>Officers have appealed for anyone with information that might help their investigation to contact them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-80809822944704158202009-04-08T02:20:00.000+01:002009-04-08T02:20:00.000+01:00Hiya DiThe problem with what Goncalo says it is fa...Hiya Di<BR/><BR/>The problem with what Goncalo says it is factually inaccurate. It was not something that happened with an underage daughter of the Gaspars, it was Payne and Gerry having a lewd discussion about Madeleine. <BR/><BR/>I believe these details were kept from the Portuguese Police until after GA had been removed. As we can seen there is then a communication concerning this on 24 October. <BR/><BR/>I know we would have been deeply concerned that the investigation was not being kept confidential because of the risks to Madeleine and because we just never disclose details of such investigations due to fear of compromising them. Kate, <BR/>Gerry and the rest of them were just kept too much in the loop about what was going on. Once GA left, I think UK got what they wanted on this case, complete confidentiality and the investigation moved towards sexual abuse of Madeleine. Another major reason for keeping it quiet is what about if she is found. We just never let this sort of detail out about a child. He really should not be doing what he is, as a former very senior police officer. I think it has become a personalised issue between him and the McCanns due to the abuse he has suffered and he knows he only has to say a few words and everyone hangs on to them which is exactly what they are doing. And they are building on them! <BR/><BR/>As for why don't Kate and Gerry speak up about this, I just think like you that is perfectly obvious and Gerry is a real fool to do what he is doing. Particularly when he is up against Goncalo Amaral! They made an enemy of him and he is proving to be a formidable one. But I am afraid these latest revelations from Goncalo have caused me further lose confidence in him. He does not portray this picture in the book her wrote, does he? All he talks about is the apparent "accidental" death of Madeleine.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-8692795010255330442009-04-07T21:46:00.000+01:002009-04-07T21:46:00.000+01:00More importantly WHY are K & G not coming forw...More importantly WHY are K & G not coming forward and standing up for D P and saying this is all nonsense etc.,mmmmmmmDihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06336817965235588462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-38941537639406367492009-04-07T21:35:00.000+01:002009-04-07T21:35:00.000+01:00Hi AllI think this comment by GA says it all.The f...Hi All<BR/><BR/>I think this comment by GA says it all.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The former senior PJ officer understands that David Payne should have been summoned by the McCanns, given the fact that it was him who, right after the child’s disappearance was communicated, on the 3rd of May 2007, prevented other persons, namely an employee of the English Social Services (who happened to be in the area) from adopting measures. “That’s right. The doctor who used to bathe the children is missing, the doctor whom an English couple complained about, in England, on the 16th of May, over something that happened with an underage daughter of theirs, in Mallorca, in 2005”, Gonçalo Amaral added.<BR/><BR/>Kate supposedly answered the door to DP, wrapped in a towel. Perhaps she allowed him to bathe the children. Something goes wrong, but WHY would Kate cover this up? Perhaps she had no choice, or am I losing the plot.Dihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06336817965235588462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-80041451977885888942009-04-07T19:48:00.000+01:002009-04-07T19:48:00.000+01:00I do not think it is just David Payne either, I th...I do not think it is just David Payne either, I think it is Gerry and Russell as well. <BR/><BR/>But I do think we should bear in mind that Yvonne Martin was describing Payne the following morning about 10 am in bundleman's clothes. He could well have been the carrier, rather than Gerry.<BR/><BR/>How odd really for the Paynes to say they never once went and checked the children, they had that handy baby monitor, it saves any need to explain what Payne was doing! <BR/><BR/>xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-35787963062413234562009-04-07T19:37:00.000+01:002009-04-07T19:37:00.000+01:00Hiya allIt is interesting that Goncalo has never p...Hiya all<BR/><BR/>It is interesting that Goncalo has never previously mentioned his concerns about sexual abuse or David Payne but he is now. <BR/><BR/>I can remember me and Ecolab being called all the perverts under the sun by the pros for suggesting this a long time back but it now seems to be a common feeling among many and the pros have given up trying to silence us! <BR/><BR/>I still do not believe this necessarily means Madeleine was killed, I continue to believe she was injured and had to be got out of the way due to what had been allowed to happen to her. I also continue to believe this crime seems to have been planned. <BR/><BR/>I have always thought we will be terribly shocked when we hear the truth and that view has not changed. Mrs Justice Hogg thought Madeleine may still be alive and I for one cannot give up hope of that. <BR/><BR/>xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-88185075009501851382009-04-07T18:18:00.000+01:002009-04-07T18:18:00.000+01:00Just a further thought - David Payne is the one wh...Just a further thought - David Payne is the one who seems to organise all these communal holidays and as we see they all have a number of young children making up the group.Wizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647410173508843374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-90170104817674341452009-04-07T18:06:00.000+01:002009-04-07T18:06:00.000+01:00Hi BT,“...David was the last non-family member to ...Hi BT,<BR/><BR/>“...David was the last non-family member to positively see Madeleine alive in Praia de Luz at 6.30pm that evening, when he went to check on her and Kate while Gerry McCann played tennis...”<BR/><BR/>I felt the my hair stand up a little when I read this.Wizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647410173508843374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-35833030569449700812009-04-07T17:54:00.000+01:002009-04-07T17:54:00.000+01:00http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/10/madeleine...http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/10/madeleinemccann.ukcrime<BR/><BR/>...David was the last non-family member to positively see Madeleine alive in Praia de Luz at 6.30pm that evening, when he went to check on her and Kate while Gerry McCann played tennis...<BR/><BR/>A small reminder here of this point but given what Amaral has now stated the real question is what game was David Payne playing?<BR/><BR/>Only the children of the McCann's and the parents know that answer. Kate it is time to answer those simple police questions you actively chose to blank and ignore. It is time to re-enact the events of that night with the Portugese police not a british media programme who want to earn advertising revenue during the breaks. It is time to take one step back and a giant leap forward.bath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-62517525046066799652009-04-07T17:45:00.000+01:002009-04-07T17:45:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.bath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-57760128764212437852009-04-07T17:10:00.000+01:002009-04-07T17:10:00.000+01:00Hi Viv,Thank you for the Gaspar’s testimonies. I ...Hi Viv,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the Gaspar’s testimonies. I haven’t read them in such detail before and they certainly give rise for concern. <BR/><BR/>Payne’s antics at best could be seen in bad taste or at worse the act of a pervert. If an accident did occur to Madeleine this could well be the reason why it was necessary to conceal what had really happened. <BR/><BR/>The Gaspar’s must have had a very good reason for reporting something potentially so serious - so clearly they were very worried. It is interesting to note one of Katerina Gaspar's first reactions when hearing that Madeleine had gone missing was to see if David Payne was on holiday with the McCanns. I think that speaks volumes. <BR/><BR/>I just wonder how well this aspect of the case was investigated.Wizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647410173508843374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-5225546340455520132009-04-07T10:19:00.000+01:002009-04-07T10:19:00.000+01:00The above email to Inspector Paiva from DC Marshal...The above email to Inspector Paiva from DC Marshall was sent on 24 October after Goncalo had been removed from the case. I do think his removal was to do with the investigation moving on into sexual abuse. <BR/><BR/>When you look at this extract it seems to read to me that DC Marshall has again interrogated David Payne in the UK during October, what do you think. He says how David Payne does not want to answer saying I have already told the Portuguese Police. Earlier in the email DC Marshall also refers to "written statements" of David Payne. I think he is getting the hassle from the police far more than we realise! But I still believe that Russell O'Brien and Gerry are equally getting it! I am going to say again, this is a situation I believe of three perverts and the women know what they are. <BR/><BR/>----<BR/><BR/><BR/>He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.<BR/><BR/>When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.<BR/><BR/>He does not remember what he was wearing that afternoon.<BR/><BR/>He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone. He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield.<BR/><BR/>He did not partake in the searches realized on the 4th of May, because, on this day, he spent to majority of time in the police headquarters.<BR/><BR/>For many questions, he does not give a complete response, affirming simply that he has already given this information to the Portuguese police in his declarations.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-60391601816466984622009-04-07T09:49:00.000+01:002009-04-07T09:49:00.000+01:00Morning guys, Hope I think it will turn out that w...Morning guys, Hope I think it will turn out that we should have a lot of sympathy for Kate and thanks for such a great post. I really do hope her mum took the opportunity to see her whilst that thing was in Portugal.<BR/><BR/>Wiz, I too like the title of your article, I do not think this man is wanted wherever he goes!<BR/><BR/>BT, I think we should be dwelling on your theory. There are so many disparate reports that Payne did go to that apt and see the children that evening at times ranging from 5 pm through to 7 pm. So one thing we can take as read, he did go there and it would have been around the childrens bath time. Ricardo Paiva seems to be the lead investigator under Amaral who was really getting his hooks into Payne, I though it would be helpful to once again reproduce this below for us to have a look at and I am putting a picture of Ricardo up alongside Payne from Pamalam's excellent blog which I often turn to for all the useful stuff!<BR/><BR/> Processos Volume XIII, Pages 3909-3915<BR/><BR/>To: Ricard Paiva<BR/>From: DC 1756 Mike MARSHALL<BR/>Ref: David Payne<BR/>Date: October 24, 2007<BR/><BR/>Leicester Police Constabulary<BR/><BR/>Ricardo,<BR/><BR/>As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar.<BR/><BR/>I read with curiosity the written statements given by David Payne but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.<BR/><BR/>When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.<BR/><BR/>He does not remember what he was wearing that afternoon.<BR/><BR/>He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone. He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield.<BR/><BR/>He did not partake in the searches realized on the 4th of May, because, on this day, he spent to majority of time in the police headquarters.<BR/><BR/>For many questions, he does not give a complete response, affirming simply that he has already given this information to the Portuguese police in his declarations.<BR/><BR/>I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.<BR/><BR/>Her responses to the questions are vague. She continued to respond to questions with ?they conform with my earlier deposition? or some similar statement.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Last Name: GASPAR<BR/>Forenames: KATHERINA ZACHARIAS<BR/>Age: +18<BR/>Date of Birth:<BR/>Address:<BR/>Postal Code:<BR/>Profession:<BR/>Telephone no.:<BR/>Date of Testimony: 16/05/2007<BR/>Number of Pages: 8<BR/><BR/>I give this declaration in relation to the McCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The McCANN family is composed of Gerry McCANN, his wife, Kate McCANN and their three children, Madeleine, age 4, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins and 3 years of age.<BR/><BR/>As is abundantly clear, Madeleine is not with her family presently, and has been missing for the last two weeks.<BR/><BR/>I will begin by explaining that I am married to Savio Gaspar and that we have two daughters. ***** is almost 3 and ***** is now one year old. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. I am a general practitioner as is my husband. I met my husband when we were (page 1) working together in Exeter, around 14 years ago.<BR/><BR/>In order to explain how we know the McCANN family, I would like to state that my husband knows Kate as they both attended Dundee University between 1987 and 1992. At that time, she was Kate HEALY. I met Kate and Gerry at their wedding, in 1998, in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding. As Savio was Kate?s friend, we were invited to the event.<BR/><BR/>From what I know, Savio did not know Gerry before the wedding. After this time, we became friends and about three times we spent weekend vacations together. I would say that we are intimate friends of Gerry and Kate.<BR/><BR/>I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent the weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We maintained contact with one another via telephone.<BR/><BR/>In 2002/2003 Savio and I lived Birmingham and the McCANNS in Leicester.<BR/><BR/>In September of 2005, Savio, myself and ****, who at the time was 1 and a half years old, spent our holidays abroad, in Mallorca. We went (page 2) on holidays with Kate, Gerry, and Madeleine, who should have been around 21/2 years old, and the twins, who were only months old. I remember that I was pregnant with ****.<BR/><BR/>On those holidays we also met Gerry and Kate?s friends.<BR/><BR/>There was a couple, whose names were Dave and Fiona, and whose family name was PAYNE, I think. I believe that they were married and had one daughter, 1 year old, called ****. I remember that on these holidays, Fiona was pregnant.<BR/><BR/>There was another couple, whose names were *** and ***, and whose family name I cannot remember who were also on holiday with us. They had two boys, 1 and 3 years old, whose names I do not remember. I did not know these two families until the holidays together. As I recall, I think that David organised the holidays and we all stayed together in a big house in Mallorca.<BR/><BR/>We spend a week on holidays, however, the McCANN family, and the PAYNE family stayed for two weeks. I think that **** and ****, and their two children, also stayed for only one week.<BR/><BR/>Two or three days passed in Mallorca where we relaxed (Page 3) with our children. Possibly around the fourth or fifth day abroad, I remember an incident that stayed with me. I tell this in this way, and afterwards I have thought many times about the incident that I am about to describe.<BR/><BR/>One night, on holidays, the adults?the couple aforementioned?were on a patio on the side of the house were we lodged. We had been eating and drinking.<BR/><BR/>I was seated between David and Gerry who were both speaking about Madeleine. I don?t remember the conversation in its entirety, but id did appear they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember David telling Gerry something like ?she? (referring to Madeleine) ?would she do this?.<BR/><BR/>Upon mentioning ?this?, David was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it inside and outside his mouth, and with the other hand encircled his breast in a gyrating fashion over his shirt. This was done in a provocative manner and carried an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was doing.<BR/><BR/>I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions. I looked around (page 4) as is saying ?did someone else hear that, or was it just me?. Silence registered in all the conversations and after, we all began conversing again.<BR/><BR/>I never spoke to anyone about this, but always felt that it was very strange and not something that should be discussed or said.<BR/><BR/>Besides this, I remember that David once again did the same thing. When I refer to this, I want to clarify that it was during a conversation in which he was talking about an imaginary situation. I do not know of what. I believe that he was talking about his own daughter, Lily, although I cannot be certain. He put one of his fingers in his mouth and slide it in and out, and with the other hand, drew a circle around his breast in a sexually provocative way. I believe that he was referring to what Lily would do.<BR/><BR/>I believe that he did this later, during the holidays, but I cannot be sure. The last time, besides this, when I was with David and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I were at a restaurant with Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona.<BR/><BR/>I am certain that he said or that he repeated the same gestures aforementioned, but it could have occurred in a restaurant in Leicester, however (page five) I believe that it was later in Mallorca. When I heard Dave asking is ?she did this? a second time, I took it more seriously.<BR/><BR/>I remember questioning whether looked at my children or the others in a different way. I imagined that he maybe visited Internet sites related to small children. I thought that he may be interested in child pornography on the Internet.<BR/><BR/>During our holidays I was more attentive at bath time after hearing Dave saying this.<BR/>During our vacation in Mallorca, it was the parents who bathed the children. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if David was bathing his children. I remember telling Savio to be careful when he was there, in case Dave was helping bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter. I was very clear about this, as having heard him disturbed me, and did not trust him bathing **** alone.<BR/><BR/>When I heard Dave say that a second time, this reinforced what I already though in relation to his thoughts about little girls. During our stay in Mallorca, Dave and his wife, Fiona, accompanied by this daughter Lilly, took Madeleine (page 6) with them to spend the day together, and to give Kate and Gerry a bit of rest with the twins. At stating this, it is not that I was reoccupied with Madeleine?s safety, as she was also with Fiona and Lilly, along with Dave.<BR/><BR/>As already referred to, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Mallorca. And I have not spoken to them since this time. In these last years, we have seen each other, along with the McCANNS, on occasion. These occasions coincide with the children?s birthdays?a time when we get together.<BR/><BR/>The first time I hear the terrible news regarding the disappearance of Madeleine from the radio, my thoughts went immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holidays with the McCANNs in Portugal but he did not know.<BR/><BR/>I watched TV to catch the overage of the notices and found that Dave was there. I saw him on television in the first days after the disappearance. At that, I believed that he was on holidays with the McCANNs in Portugal. Today, Thursday, the 16th of May, 2007, at 15H40, I gave DC Brewer a page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to reference these images as (ref KZG/1) (probably element) that may (page seven) be presented with my approval, if necessary. These photographs were taken during out holidays in Mallorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white t-shirt and the woman in the photograph is his wife Fiona. The man that is holding the cup of wine in the photograph is *****. These photographs were taken whilst we were in Mallorca.<BR/><BR/>Signed:<BR/><BR/>TRANSLATED BY INES<BR/>Volume XIII TOC, pgs. 3892 to 3601<BR/>3816 to 3920?Witness statement of Arul Savio Gaspar 2007.05.16<BR/><BR/>Translation:<BR/><BR/>Name: Arul Savio Gaspar<BR/><BR/>Date of statement: 16-05-2007<BR/><BR/>This statement was made in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.<BR/><BR/>I currently work as a GP at Saint Clements Surgery, Birmingham, where I have been employed for the last nine years.<BR/><BR/>Madeleine is the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann and we are friends of the family.<BR/><BR/>I have known Kate since 1987, when we met at Dundee Medical School, and became friends. We have remained in touch all this time and meet up 3 or 4 times a year, we often talk on the phone or email each other.<BR/><BR/>When we first became friends in 1987 she was still known as Kate Healy, this was the case until she married Gerry at the end of 1990s. Kate and I completed our medical degrees in 1992, when we each carried on with our lives, once we had begun our careers.<BR/><BR/>After I finished my degree I began my career in Exeter, and I think Kate went to Glasgow.<BR/><BR/>I only met up with Kate again in 1997 or 1998. At that moment I was married to Katherina, we had both been invited to attend Kate and Gerry?s wedding.<BR/><BR/>After their wedding we lost contact and I think they went to New Zealand.<BR/><BR/>We only met up again in 2001 in Birmingham.<BR/><BR/>The couple visited us in the house where we then living, in ******, and this was the first time I talked to Gerry.<BR/><BR/>I think that at the time Kate and Gerry were living in Queeniborough, Leicestershire.<BR/><BR/>From 2001 and 2005 we were in regular contact and often visited each other?s homes.<BR/><BR/>We planned holidays for the first week of September 2005 in Majorca, Spain, together with three other couples including Kate and Gerry. We did not know the other two couples, they were friends of Kate and Gerry?s, we had never met them before.<BR/><BR/>We all had children.<BR/><BR/>When we went on this holiday we had one daughter, ****** aged 18 months.<BR/><BR/>Kate and Gerry had 3 children, Madeleine almost two and the twins who were six months old.<BR/><BR/>The other couples were Fiona and David Payne and their daughter Lily who was one year old and **** and **** who had two boys aged three and one. I do not remember **** and *** surname nor the names of their children.<BR/><BR/>Katherine and I had booked the holiday for one week and the other two couples had booked for two weeks. We stayed together in a large villa.<BR/><BR/>We all arrived at the villa separately.<BR/><BR/>During the period we stayed at the villa I remember a gesture made by David Payne.<BR/><BR/>I do not remember the context of the conversation between David and Gerry, but I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue. This happened during a meal, at the end of the day in the villa, I do not remember the time or the date, but we would usually dine between 19.30 and 21.00 every day. I think this happened in the middle of the holiday.<BR/><BR/>I remember that when I saw this gesture I immediately thought it to be in very bad taste, independently of the context of the conversation they were having. We were sitting around a white plastic table in the villa. I don?t know if anyone else saw the gesture, apart from my wife Katherina. After this gesture, we did not notice any others and as far as I know, the gesture was not repeated.<BR/><BR/>We never commented on this gesture during the rest of the holiday and I thought no more about it.<BR/><BR/>I can describe Dave as a Caucasian male 1.78 m tall, and of a medium complexion. He had brown hair and used glasses/contact lenses depending on the circumstances.<BR/><BR/>I can say that Dave was a pleasant person. I do not remember him having any unusual characteristics.<BR/><BR/>During the holidays Dave never behaved in an inappropriate manner with Madeleine or with any of the other children. Dave was popular with the children and I took this to be because he was a close friend to the family.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I never distrusted Dave. After the holidays there was one occasion when we were with Kate and Gerry and Fiona and Dave were also present.<BR/><BR/>That was in a restaurant in Leicester in 2005. I do not remember the name of the restaurant.<BR/><BR/>We had a pleasant evening, just the three couples without the children.<BR/><BR/>I do not remember Dave having behaved inappropriately on this occasion. We have not spoken to Dave or Fiona since December 2005, only due to their being friends of Kate and Gerry, not for any other reason.<BR/><BR/>The last time I saw Kate, Gerry, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie was in March 2007 when they came to our house for the first birthday celebration of my daughter *****. On the morning of 4th May Katherine saw the news about Madeleine on television. We were very shocked and worried given that they were close friends.<BR/><BR/><BR/>It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.<BR/><BR/>It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.<BR/><BR/>I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation.<BR/><BR/>At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.<BR/><BR/>It is my wish that the police are aware of my preoccupation with the gesture made by David Payne.<BR/>Signed. .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-75217635254205748492009-04-06T19:18:00.000+01:002009-04-06T19:18:00.000+01:00I’ve just been reading the London Metro – I copy a...I’ve just been reading the London Metro – I copy an article from it below for no better reason than I like the headline. <BR/><BR/>6th April 09 - Metro<BR/><BR/>You’re not wanted here, McCann told<BR/> <BR/>The father of missing Madeleine McCann was yesterday told to go home by angry residents during a fresh visit to Portugal. <BR/>Gerry McCann, 40, sparked criticism after returning to the Portug¬uese resort to launch a fresh TV appeal and film a documentary. <BR/>But his arrival coincided with the loss of 21 staff at the Ocean Club complex, which management blamed on the 'Maddie effect'.<BR/>'We don't want to be uncharitable but we had more than our fair share of bad publicity when little Madeleine went missing,' said one bar owner at the resort. <BR/>'This new appeal just stirs up unpleasant memories and we can't see it leading anywhere,' he added. <BR/>Madeleine McCann, of Rothley, Leicestershire, went missing on May 3, 2007, during a family holiday at the resort of Praia da Luz. She would now be aged five. A police inquiry came to nothing and has since been closed.<BR/> <BR/>Last week, posters appealing for information were torn down at the resort and the flat in which the family stayed was vandalised. <BR/>The Find Madeleine Fund, which arranged the international TV app¬eal, said residents had never been asked about what they saw. <BR/>A Cutting Edge documentary will be shown next month on Channel 4.Wizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647410173508843374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-24336729284613978032009-04-06T17:54:00.000+01:002009-04-06T17:54:00.000+01:00If Kate is unwilling to keep up the pretence then ...If Kate is unwilling to keep up the pretence then now is the best chance she has of telling all.<BR/><BR/>I have no way of knowing if she is the victim of domestic violence or if she is suffering from Post Natal Depresion but there are a lot of people myself included that would feel despratley sorry for her if she had been backed into a corner and made to go along with this...<BR/><BR/>One of the reasons I still cant believe in an abduction is because she has done nothing to search for her child she has not insisted she go back when the police asked her to return for a reconstruction and refusing to answer a single question would be beyond cruel if Madeleine was still "Findable"...<BR/><BR/>So to me it say's she knows there is nothing she can do to find her and she has just gone along with everything else...<BR/><BR/>Mrs Healy should taket this oportunity to help her daughter and her grandchildren living with a cloud over your head is not living and the twins need to know their Mum is ok and will never let them come to any harm...<BR/><BR/>I have been very critical of Kate and still am in many ways but I do get very frustrated with people who will not help themselves especialy when children are involved. If she is not well then her Mum needs to help her be strong so the whole family can move on and focus on the Twins.<BR/><BR/>People will help Kate they just have to be given the oportunity to do so...hope4truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10617271855989681623noreply@blogger.com