tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post7392866456546142840..comments2023-10-31T09:28:27.222+00:00Comments on JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND THE TWINS: MICHAEL WRIGHT BEHIND MASSIVE MONEY EARNER?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-48871510680378733492009-02-06T20:12:00.000+00:002009-02-06T20:12:00.000+00:00Hiya Di, well this is complex and having read it o...Hiya Di, well this is complex and having read it once I would like to read it again, after we have been out and eaten and I an not so hungry! <BR/><BR/>I love the turn of phrase, have some sense gentlemen, do not make fools of the Spanish Police! I think the Metodos only make fools of themselves!<BR/><BR/>Mr and Mrs McCann you are bad parents, get some counselling, well that is easy enough to digest:-))))<BR/><BR/>06 February 2009<BR/>Maddie and Joana Again? Amongst the Bad Parenthood, the Hazelnuts Liars and the alleged Dog’s Injustice<BR/><BR/>The second half of January was, as I expected, very interesting.<BR/><BR/>The Maddie case came back in full force! The Joana case was interrupted by a rocambolesque and, I believe, unprecedented legal event. The Metódo3 showed its teeth. And the Freeport distracted us.<BR/><BR/>by Dr.Paulo Sargento<BR/><BR/>The last time I wrote, I recall that Dr Gerry McCann had returned to Portugal for the first time since September 2007, allegedly for, together with one of his attorneys, the illustrious Mr. Rogério Alves, have a reunion with His Excellency the British Ambassador in Lisbon [Alexander Ellis], to know what could still be done to find Madeleine.<BR/><BR/>The trip indeed happened! Mr. Rogério Alves was, as everyone could see, with Dr Gerry McCann, and to what is known, they met with the Ambassador.<BR/><BR/>Well, it happened! So why to repeat myself?<BR/><BR/>As I had previously said and now I reaffirm it: the argument used by Dr Gerry McCann is illogical. By his own words, he assumed he had not still read the whole process (which includes ALL the diligences made), because the process had not yet been fully translated. I repeat the question that intrigues me: How can you want to know what you can still do about anything when it is not known, entirely, all that was done? It makes no sense whatsoever! I reiterate that this escapes any logic.<BR/><BR/>Now then, what was the purpose of Dr Gerry McCann’s visit? Without anyone asking, it was guaranteed that he did not come to meet with anyone from the government or anyone connected to the government. But, what government? The current one? Well, here is something that can not escape the logic. Nor, contrary to the previous statement, we can affirm (without a pejorative assessment of the awareness of the statement) that it is a lie.<BR/><BR/>It even makes sense that Dr Gerry McCann has not come to meet with people connected to the ACTUAL government (and I swear that I am not using rhetorical imagery to induce the reading into the Freeport case). However, nothing was said, and in truth, nothing was asked regarding meetings with elements of previous governments or related to them.<BR/><BR/>Right! Nice trick! In some corridors, with hushed loudness, it has been made possible to pin point someone to the fourth chair of the said meeting: the first name, truly Lusitanian and the surname, clearly Gaul [Gaulês]! And I stop right here.<BR/><BR/>Do you know why?<BR/><BR/>Because, from this time on, not even Mendes Bota was able to save the honour of the monastery: the Man who, according with all the polls, would guaranteedly win a City Council was rejected by the Directorate of the Party of which he is an active militant, allegedly for not corresponding to the appropriate profile for that Town Hall (well, at least, from the mouth of the censors, pardon, of the decision makers, did not came a even more ludicrous story, the lack of political experience). Of course I am talking about Gonçalo Amaral.<BR/><BR/>Besides of cowardly, of shameful and, obviously, manipulated, this act of refusing Gonçalo Amaral candidacy, is the most naive expectation of a ‘currency exchange’ that I have seen in Portuguese politics (besides I only have 43 years old and there are political alliances that are secular).<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, in the Joana case, after the confession, pre-announced by the Illustrious lawyer of Madam Leonor Cipriano (I recall the interview with Dr. Marcos Aragão Correia, in the weekly "O Crime" of December 4, 2008), our courts performed one of the strangest scenes unprecedented in the Portuguese memory: the expulsion of a lawyer from the Court chambers for being suspended by the Bar Association, allegedly because of the failure to communicate his change of address.<BR/><BR/>This event made a flow, desirably for some, of more ink lines in multiple newspapers. Relatively to this, we have yet to understand what really happened. However, the confession of Leonor Cipriano, that Dr. Marcos Aragão Correia referred to have been written by is own hand, but dictated by the lady is, as I had a chance to say, is another point in detriment of Leonor Cipriano herself: it’s another one among nearly a dozen versions, all different.<BR/><BR/>What can we conclude here? Two things. The first is that Leonor has lost more of her, already diminutive and very doubtful, credibility of testimony. Secondly, calculating the highest common denominator of the various versions, we find a high consistency of one element in the different versions: Joana, who unfortunately, died, or rather was killed, as most of the forensic evidence indicates.<BR/><BR/>The letter, in addition to have been written by Mr. Marcos Aragão Correia, was not dictated by a person born in the Algarve area, with a very low level of education. Somehow the statement denotes a kind of legal concern, to the level of its content (namely, the legal possibility of the adoption as it is referred and the insistency on details that could, potentially, constitute evidence for the accusation - pants with blood). But as I reiterate, the excessive use of the gerund [verbal noun] and the reversal of possessives and demonstratives add up to an aspect of linguistic expression more usual in Madeira, or with some effort, in some parts of the Alentejo. Who dictated the letter? A person from Madeira? Or, being in Odemira, a person from Alentejo?<BR/><BR/>Still in the Joana case, following the aforementioned "confession" a new search was encouraged to the place where, allegedly, the body of Joana was buried. But, after several searches, conducted by the lawyer for Leonor Cipriano and family (which family?) it was assumed the impossibility to continue this task due to the deficiency of cinotechnical means [K9 units]. Indeed, this argument deserves some reflection.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Marcos Aragão Correia says, like many others, that in Portugal there are no dogs trained to detect the cadaverine scent. Nevertheless, some people said the opposite, some time ago. It is, therefore, a debatable issue. But, then, why was a search and rescue dog taken? Here, for sure the theory that those who “don’t have dogs hunts with a cat” is unfounded. So, I repeat, why would there be a need for an ERVD dog that detects the scent of cadavers?<BR/><BR/>Although I accept that I am completely uninformed regarding the major aspects of the qualities of those animals, I must, however, present some speculative arguments that have emerged in the consequence of the proclaimed affirmation made by Dr. Aragão Correia: “In the Maddie case a dog was brought from England to search for evidences against the parents. Why they don't do it now to find Joana's body?”<BR/><BR/>Let’s try to reflect upon it.<BR/><BR/>I would not be surprised and even would agree, absolutely, with Dr. Aragão Correia if the argument of Equalitarian Justice that he pretended to use wasn’t betrayed by its content. Let us see what I want to say, illustrating how I think that the argument should be exposed:<BR/><BR/>a) “In the Maddie case a dog was brought from England to search for evidences against the parents. Why they don’t do it now to try to get evidences against the mother and uncle of Joana?”, or alternatively,<BR/><BR/>b) “In the Maddie case a dog was brought from England to try to locate her body. Why they don't do it now to find Joana's body?”<BR/><BR/>Indeed, if the issues were raised in this way, I would be in complete agreement with the thesis of Dr. Aragão Correia.<BR/><BR/>Still, we would have, in my modest and, again I repeat, little sustained opinion, a methodological problem: in the case of Maddie, we had precise locations and objects which allowed to draw a methodology that is virtually beyond reproach as to the results observed (the dogs visited several apartments, several cars, smelled different pieces of clothing, BUT, I repeat, BUT there were control and “placebo” devices, if I am allowed to exploit these terms, so it is easier to understand).<BR/><BR/>In the Joana case, in addition to the search area being much larger and that there are no types of markers, the search should, in my opinion, begin with archaeologists and geologists who would attempt to define areas where signs of intervention not due to natural phenomena existed (ex. erosion of wind or rain in the modification of topographical accidents) and from then on proceed to search with other methods.<BR/><BR/>I admit that is much more difficult to detect the smell of dead bodies after almost 4 years, than after 2 months. I also admit that it would be much more difficult the discrimination of odours in outdoor areas than inside houses or in clothes dressed recently. I should, therefore conclude the arrival of the friendly and competent dogs (who have 200 positive identifications), in these conditions could constitute a failure.<BR/><BR/>Actually, allow me one more metaphor: the conditions described for the “monte das figueras”[figs hill] (which, in itself, involves a number of variables, of difficult, or even, virtual impossible control) and after almost 4 years are have gone by since the tragic death of a girl, the probability of the dogs (even though they are competent) to find the corpse of Joana is, certainly lower the likelihood that someone would have to win the Euromillions in 3 consecutive weeks, betting on the same combination key numbers.<BR/><BR/>However, to whom would help the failure of these dogs?<BR/><BR/>Exactly! You guessed it! To the defenders of Madeleine McCann abduction theory. Thus, one of the strongest evidences of the death of little Maddie would be attacked and the headlines would be as expected: Dogs who identified cadaver scent in the Maddie case didn’t detect any clues of Joana’s corpse. I admit that the confession of Leonor would likewise not be in ‘good sheets’. But I do not know why, I think that the media, would basically, belittle the image of the friendly dogs, and consequently of the sardines munchers.<BR/><BR/>Another issue which has come to light, and about which I have spoken [on TVI], concerns the recent news regarding the involvement of Método3 in the subject that I will only designate as Hazelnuts Traitors. This Agency has shown that it has within people who are: LIARS, SWINDLERS and SKILLFUL COINCIDENCE MANAGERS.<BR/><BR/>For these not to be just empty words, I begin to explain:<BR/><BR/>a) LIARS! They promised that Maddie would appear by the Christmas of 2007 – IT’S A LIE! They even guaranteed to have identified the kidnapper of Maddie - IT’S A LIE! (If it is true then report it to the authorities, to not be accountable of any crime in that regard, and I’ll give at that time, publicly and humbly my apologies for having said this sentence, but I’ll keep the previous)!<BR/><BR/>b) SWINDLERS! They take advantage of the work of others. The Hazelnuts had already owners. Copying sites is shameful. Exploiting the work of others is disgraceful.<BR/><BR/>c) SKILLFUL COINCIDENCE MANAGERS! They stated that while working in the Maddie case, 13 paedophiles have been arrested. Don’t make the Spanish Police a bunch of fools. Have some sense gentlemen.<BR/><BR/>Let me say that institutions should not be confused with some people who belong to it. Of course, everywhere, there is good and bad. If I am being unfair to the agency Método3, I will apologize publicly after the agency brings to an end its connexion with the acts committed by some of its elements.<BR/><BR/>To the McCann Couple, I would like to start, exactly, here.<BR/><BR/>For how long do you intend to keep the link to the agency's Metódo3 in the Find Madeline site? Even after all the information regarding the said agency, it still keeps a privileged spot in the “Investigation” tab at the site where many people still want to help and contribute? For how long?<BR/><BR/>And the online store? Is to maintain, even losing a real fortune, as we were able to see, in the accounts of the Madeleine Fund? Who manufactures the T-Shirts? And the bracelets?<BR/><BR/>If it is true that you have no accounts or credit cards on your behalf, how do pay for your travels? And the expenses at the Ocean Club? How do you live without financial liaisons with any bank? And the mortgage of your home?<BR/><BR/>And the price of the site? In Portugal, a site maintenance costs 50€ per year. When we have no money, we draw our own pages or we ask some solidarity to friends who are competent in that area. To spend a thousand times more is unwise. I am sure that there are thousands of web designers that would help you for free. There are caring people in this world, if they believe that it is for a good cause.<BR/><BR/>The translations of the process should not be the PRIORITY to be able to know what was done, Dr Gerry McCann? There is STILL enough money in the fund. Please translate the process. It is urgent. It is imperative!<BR/><BR/>Dr. Kate McCann, we all understand your suffering. I do not want to believe that the idea that you are depressed and obsessively reading for 3 hours a day the process, is an idea of your own. I believe that this is a story of the evil tabloids. Please, sue them because they are giving of you an awful motherly image. A mother of a daughter who has disappeared and who does not rest for more than three hours a day, spending the remaining 19 hours reading. Yes, it could be assumed as worrying and it would translate an emotional disturbance in which the person is, in fact, obsessed and not thinking in anything else, not even in the other children.<BR/><BR/>And speaking about, the other children.<BR/><BR/>In the first days after the disappearance of Maddie, where some people weaved considerations to the poor parental quality of the McCanns, I tried to devalue that idea on several occasions, interpreting benignly the various and more carefree parental educational practices of the Anglo-Saxons.<BR/><BR/>I even conveyed and, today I acknowledge that, stupidly, in the defense of the couple, saying that a culture of greater autonomy and its relationship with the educational development in some countries were in part, the result of parenting practices which promote more autonomy and are less over-protective, saying that the super-protection and affiliation were more common in southern Europe, in particular, and in the Latin people in general.<BR/><BR/>When I recognize the stupidity of what I said, I must confess that is not in relation of what I said. I stand by it! The stupidity was not to have thought that the educational practices that the McCann demonstrated were predictors of one of the biggest wickedness that I have witnessed against children: to give gifts to the twins, saying that those were sent by Maddie.<BR/><BR/>Mr and Mrs McCann:<BR/><BR/>Do not make of Maddie a Santa Claus who gives gifts to the children and that never, I repeat, NEVER, appears or will appear.<BR/><BR/>Let the twins do the mourning of their sister. You both know she will not appear.<BR/><BR/>Even if you believe that you had no intervention in the disappearance of your daughter (which I do not believe and I have that right as a citizen), you have been warned that the excessive media attention would increased the likelihood, in the hypothetical case of abduction, that the putative kidnapper would kill the girl. If you do not want to face the grief of Maddie, you have that right and you have your reasons.. But please, let the twins do it.<BR/><BR/>The girl, unfortunately, will not return. Do not give hope to the little ones because they will not remember her sister. They will not have a memory of Maddie, unless through the pictures and for what is told to them, and unfortunately, for what they will know and understand when they grow up. Do not build false memories through deceiving illusions. Tell the twins that Maddie is a little star [in the sky]. They will know what that means. Until then, do not let any pact to use the twins as a means.<BR/><BR/>These children live in a strange ambience. “Where is Maddie? Will she be back? And if we are taken to that place?” Children do not think like us. They believe they are stolen by the boogeyman. And what if one has gone already?<BR/><BR/>Mr and Mrs McCann<BR/><BR/>I have never made any criticisms to your parental qualities.<BR/><BR/>However, given what you did with the twins I have to firmly say:<BR/><BR/>You are BAD PARENTS!<BR/><BR/>Get some counselling!<BR/><BR/>See you soon!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Courtesy of Dr. Paulo Sargento<BR/><BR/>Dr. Paulo Sargento is a Forensic Psychologist and a University ProfessorAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-23756552000926071112009-02-06T19:56:00.000+00:002009-02-06T19:56:00.000+00:00Hiya Di, it is interesting to read what the McCan...Hiya Di, it is interesting to read what the McCann's own highly expensive QC says about British investigations isn't it, and of course he is biased to what his clients wanted him to say. <BR/>Almost like they are now trying to deny that!<BR/><BR/>I will go have a look at Joana's have not been there today which is unusual!<BR/><BR/>xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-84059052019008551452009-02-06T19:53:00.000+00:002009-02-06T19:53:00.000+00:00sad video someone just posted on 3 As ..it is out ...sad video someone just posted on 3 As ..it is out of control..all I can do is say I am sorry<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6CvYK0Dx4&Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-4944535941355824892009-02-06T19:37:00.000+00:002009-02-06T19:37:00.000+00:00Hi VivOn first reading the above which I have yet ...Hi Viv<BR/><BR/>On first reading the above which I have yet to finish, corrie is calling.<BR/><BR/>There is no proof she is alive but there is not a scrap of evidence that she is not. <BR/><BR/>I disagree with this, from every thing we have read there appears to be more evidence that she is not alive, if we are to believe what we read.<BR/><BR/>LP release an important, though limited, part of the information they have been seeking.<BR/><BR/>So LP are keeping back more important information, that does sound promising.<BR/><BR/>K & G have always wanted to work with all law enforcement agencies.<BR/><BR/>I think Kate should think long and hard about this. <BR/><BR/>Off now hope to catch up later.Dihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06336817965235588462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-78982214830464721812009-02-06T19:19:00.000+00:002009-02-06T19:19:00.000+00:00Hi VivSorry I have been on Joana Morais reading ab...Hi Viv<BR/><BR/>Sorry I have been on Joana Morais reading about Gerry's visit to Portugal. If you have not seen it, worth a read.<BR/><BR/>I will read the above now.Dihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06336817965235588462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-27767459169564370082009-02-06T19:06:00.000+00:002009-02-06T19:06:00.000+00:00IN THE MATTER OF MADELEINE BETH MCCANNBy John Hirs...IN THE MATTER OF MADELEINE BETH MCCANN<BR/>By John Hirst<BR/>Court 20 Before MRS JUSTICE HOGG Monday, 7 July, 2008 At 10:30 AM IN OPEN COURT FD07P01121 McCann Applications/Summonses in Court as in Chambers IN THE MATTER OF MADELEINE BETH MCCANN<BR/><BR/>Mr Tim Scott, Q.C., International Family Law Group, acting for Gerry and Kate McCann: Madeleine McCann is a ward of Court. She had her 5th birthday on 12 May 2008. Gerry and Kate are not here as they are on holiday with their twins, Sean and Amelie. Who could deserve a holiday more after a period more traumatic than any family should have to cope with.<BR/><BR/>Mrs Justice Hogg: I did not expect to see them.<BR/><BR/>Mr Tim Scott continues: As the world knows, Madeleine was abducted from an apartment at a resort in Praia Da Luz in Portugal on 03 May 2007. No one has ever been arrested or charged in connection with her abduction. Her whereabouts are completely unknown. There is no proof that she is alive, but there is not a scrap of evidence that she is not. After the abduction Gerry and Kate McCann set in motion their own search with professional assistance. A Fund was set up to finance the search and many people, often those who could barely afford it, have given generously to that fund. Simultaneously a massive international police search was launched. Since the McCann family lives in Leicestershire, the Leicestershire Constabulary has been the lead force among UK law enforcement agencies. Gerry and Kate would like, through me, to acknowledge the enormous effort which has been devoted both by the Leicestershire Constabulary and by other law enforcement agencies to the search for Madeleine. They would also like to thank many individual officers for the kindness and concern which they have shown to the family throughout this terrible time. Proceedings were started in this Court by a summons dated 17 May 2007. The sole purpose of the proceedings has been to call upon the extensive powers of the High Court to require assistance to be given in the search for a missing child. It is of course quite routine in the Family Division for such Orders to be made. For example in an appropriate case (though not this one) an Order can be made against a mobile phone company to produce the call record of a phone. It was never the parents’ wish that the proceedings should become adversarial. On 22 May 2007 an Order was made by you in very wide terms requiring any person on whom the Order was served to disclose to the parents’ solicitors any information which might assist in identifying Madeleine’s whereabouts. The Order contained a clause entitling any person served with it to apply to discharge or vary it. Among the bodies on whom the Order was served was the Leicestershire Constabulary, who immediately expressed doubts as to whether the Order was intended to or could properly extend to them. In due course the parents’ solicitors issued a further application seeking clarification of this. On 02 April 2008 you gave directions which were intended to lead to a hearing at which this question would be resolved. This is that hearing. As the preparations for this hearing advanced, it became clear that the Leicestershire Constabulary and other law enforcement agencies, while personally sympathetic to the position of the McCann’s objected on principle to the disclosure of at least the great bulk of the information in their possession. They raised a number of legal arguments relating among other matters to the public interest in maintaining the confidentiality of police investigations. Both the Serious Organised Crimes Agency and the Attorney-General intervened in the proceedings in order to advance their own arguments on issues of public policy. It became clear that if today’s hearing proceeded on a fully contested basis a number of areas of law of great interest to lawyers would have had to be considered. However Gerry and Kate McCann are not lawyers and so far as they were concerned the legal proceedings were moving further and further from the only matter which concerns them: the search for Madeleine. The proceedings were in danger of becoming a distraction from rather than an aid to that single goal. Also there have been two recent developments which have greatly affected Gerry and Kate’s views on these proceedings. The first is that the Leicestershire Constabulary has now agreed to release an important, though limited, part of the information which they have been seeking; I shall come back to that. The second is that, as has been widely publicised, it is expected that Gerry and Kate’s status in Portugal as arguidos or suspects will be lifted soon. When that happens it is hoped and expected that a substantial further amount of information will be released. Since Gerry and Kate have always wanted to work with all law enforcement agencies on a cooperative basis, they decided to withdraw the application against the Leicestershire Constabulary. We therefore come to Court today to ask you to approve an Order which all parties consent to. The first part of the Order recites that the Chief Constable of Leicestershire has agreed to provide by today a document in accordance with Paragraph 50 of the Skeleton Argument which has been presented to the Court on his behalf. That Paragraph is at 34. It says that the Chief Constable is currently preparing a document which will provide the parents with the contact details of persons that have been forwarded to the investigation by the parents or those acting for them. This document will also contain a brief resume of the information that it is believed the person informed the parents or those acting for them that they wished to pass on to the investigation. I said earlier that this is an important but limited amount of the information which Gerry and Kate had hoped to obtain. I would like to explain why it is important. Although the Leicestershire Constabulary were quick to set up a major incident room and to provide a telephone number which anyone with information could call, there was a period of time before this became widely known. During that time Gerry and Kate’s solicitor, Ms Ann Thomas of The International Family Law Group, who sits in front of me, had already been retained. Her firm’s number was publicised and a large number of people called in. All of these callers were given the number which the Leicestershire Constabulary had set up for the purpose. The solicitors thought it right that the police should be receiving it. In fact with few exceptions the solicitors did not even retain any notes on what the callers were saying or even their contact details. So what the Chief Constable is now voluntarily providing is the contact details and a summary of the information provided by a substantial number of people who were among the first to try to help the investigation. It is because these were on the whole people who came forward to volunteer information in the period immediately after the abduction that it is likely that the information which they provided will be most helpful. So on that basis Gerry and Kate McCann are content to withdraw their application for any wider disclosure. Paragraph 4 of the Order provides that the documents in the case shall remain confidential to the Court. This of course is completely normal in wardship. An exception is made to enable the Chief Constable at his discretion to reveal the contents of his evidence and the legal arguments advanced on his behalf. The parents understand that the points of principle which have arisen are of wider interest to law enforcement agencies, and they would not want to restrict proper discussion of those matters which might have a beneficial purpose in future investigations. They are confident that the Chief Constable will exercise his discretion in a responsible way. The search for Madeleine continues. The fund which was established in May 2007 known as “Madeleine’s Fund – Leaving No Stone Unturned” remains closely involved in the search. It always has been and remains Gerry and Kate’s purpose to leave no stone unturned. This was why they asked for the assistance of this Court in the first place, and this is why, in the light of developing circumstances, they now withdraw their application. We hope that you will accept, and will feel able to say that they have behaved completely properly and responsibly at every stage.<BR/><BR/>Mr James Lewis QC, for the Chief Constable of Leicestershire: We would like you to approve the Order. As the Court heard, any person served with the Order should disclose any information that would help to find Madeleine . We wish to make it clear that the primary aim is to ensure that no stone is left unturned. There must be a balance between the rights of Plaintiffs to have as much information as possible and the risk of compromising the continuing criminal investigation, damaging future international co-operation, and a potential breach of Portuguese law. The parents get information that emanates from them and there is no breach of Portuguese law. The Chief Constable asks the Court to make clear that previous Orders don’t apply. The case is not closed. The Chief Constable wishes to reiterate anyone with information should come forward to the police. The amount of information is 81 pieces of information out of 11,000 pieces of information on the computer system.<BR/><BR/>Representative of the Attorney General: The Attorney General intervened as Guardian of the public interest and has no further comment to make.<BR/><BR/>Mrs Justice Hogg: Madeleine went missing on 3 May 2007 just a few days before her 4th birthday, while she was holidaying with her family in the Algarve in Portugal. On 17 May 2007 Madeleine’s parents invoked the jurisdiction of this Court under the Inherent Jurisdiction of the Court, and The Child Abduction and Custody Act, and the Hague Convention. They sought various orders and directions aimed at ascertaining the whereabouts and recovery of Madeleine. I became involved with the proceedings shortly afterwards. On 2 April 2008 Madeleine became a Ward of this Court, and since that date has remained a Ward. At all times jurisdiction was assumed by the Court because, there being no evidence to the contrary, it is presumed Madeleine is alive. She is a British Citizen, and like her parents habitually resident here. The current application was made on 2 April 2008 by the parents seeking disclosure of information and documents from the Chief Constable of Leicestershire to assist them and their own investigations in their search for Madeleine. Such are the complexities of the issues involved other interested parties were invited and joined to the application, and directions given for the hearing today. The parties have reached an accommodation whereby the Chief Constable will provide to Madeleine’s parents contact details of members of the public who had themselves contacted the parents or their solicitors, and which on receipt were immediately passed to the Chief Constable, together with a brief resume of the information given. The parents do not wish to pursue other aspects of the application, and save for the draft consent order being approved by this Court wish to withdraw their application and seek leave to do so. I have no criticism of the parents in making this application. They have behaved responsibly and reasonably throughout. I have considered the documents provided to this Court by the various parties, and have concluded that the agreement reached by the parties is entirely appropriate, and that the parents should be permitted to withdraw the balance of their application. I will make the Order by Consent as sought. In particular paragraph 1 of the Order made on the 22 May 2007 shall be varied with the words: “The terms of this paragraph shall not apply to the Chief Constable of Leicestershire or any other United Kingdom law enforcement agency. And for the avoidance of doubt all the evidence submitted to the Court and the Case Summaries and Skeleton Arguments remain confidential to the Court save that the Chief Constable may use his discretion to disclose his evidence, case summary and skeleton arguments filed in this Court and the Orders of 22 May 2007, 2 April 2008 and this Order. Any other documents and their contents are not to be disclosed to any person or published save in accordance with Orders already made by the Court or further Order of the Court”. It may be noted that neither of the Parents is present today. I let it be known last week that providing their legal team was fully instructed neither parent need be present, and I would not criticise or bear any ill-feeling towards them if they chose to stay away. It was my decision as they have suffered enough, and I wished to ease their burden. I know the police authorities and other official law enforcement agencies in this country, in Portugal and elsewhere have striven and will continue to strive to trace Madeleine. I urge anyone who has any information however small or tenuous to come forward now so that further enquiries can be made. There is, of course, as least one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine, and where she may be found. I ponder about that person: whether that person has a heart and can understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been torn and secreted from her parents and siblings whom she loves and felt secure with, and whom no doubt misses and grieves for. Whether that person has a conscience or any feeling of guilt, remorse or even cares about the hurt which has been caused to an innocent little girl: whether that person has a faith and belief, and what explanation or justification that person will give to God. I entreat that person whoever and wherever you may be to show mercy and compassion, and come forward now to tell us where Madeleine is to be found. I hope and pray that Madeleine will be found very soon alive and well. I confirm the Wardship and Madeleine will remain a Ward of Court until further Order of the Court. The case will be reserved to myself subject to my availability.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-62500109497025760792009-02-06T19:05:00.000+00:002009-02-06T19:05:00.000+00:00Hiya DiWell yes, most of them may not have been d...Hiya Di<BR/><BR/>Well yes, most of them may not have been directly involved at the outset, but they made themselves part of a serious criminal conspiracy and ruined their own lives in the process. As I said above that may well be because getting banged up in a Portuguese jail for child neglect would have had that same effect.<BR/><BR/>I find it really odd there are so many people on 3 As seeking to insist British Police are just not investigating this case and that does fly in the face of what was said in court copied below, of course they are!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-56514036704308047412009-02-06T18:55:00.000+00:002009-02-06T18:55:00.000+00:00Hi allVivWe must not forget all the tapas meeting ...Hi all<BR/><BR/>Viv<BR/><BR/>We must not forget all the tapas meeting in the hotel prior to their LP interviews.<BR/><BR/>I for one would love to know what they discussed, I am sure timelines were high on the agenda.Dihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06336817965235588462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-65247275498136376482009-02-06T17:56:00.000+00:002009-02-06T17:56:00.000+00:00Hiya HopeyThe burning question is why would the Ta...Hiya Hopey<BR/><BR/>The burning question is why would the Tapas 7 ruin not just their own lives but any prospect of getting Maddie back, that is the pressing mystery and why people just cannot stop looking at this case and just hoping for a chink, some detail to emerge, where is little Maddie?<BR/><BR/>I wish we knew!<BR/><BR/>xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-66025706222900927902009-02-06T17:00:00.000+00:002009-02-06T17:00:00.000+00:00Hi BTI am inclined to think that most of the T7 w...Hi BT<BR/><BR/>I am inclined to think that most of the T7 were not involved in what happened to Maddie. The statements we have been allowed to see demonstrate Kate and particularly Gerry were not popular members of the group and did not socialise with them. I think it is fair to see what friends they have emanate from Kate far more so than him. Their odd behaviour where they simply failed to interact with the group in a normal way leads me to conclude they were planning something. The only time they did interact with the group was at night, that again, I am afraid, demonstrates they did not want to be bothered with their children, whereas the rest of the group quite clearly did. Take the last day on the beach where the rest of the group are doing a very normal thing, having beach fun, as a group and with their children.<BR/><BR/>But the TAPAS group only have themselves to blame for wanting to cover for Kate and Gerry and that quite possibly emanates from their own lax arrangements for child care at night and fear of themselves being locked up. In Portugal from what I can gather they are stricter than UK on this and that was a very real threat. Hence their fears about not going back for the reconstruction, but those fears are compounded by perverting the course of justice, a very serious offence which would get them more time. So I ask myself why have they done that and prevented the recovery of little Maddie by fully assisting the police. <BR/><BR/>So, unfortunately, it brings me back to maybe some of them actually are involved. I personally think Tanner probably did see someone like Gerry but not at the time she states, it was later when she went to "relieve" Russell. <BR/><BR/>OB in interview was at great pains to point this out and it again brings suspicion back on himself together with his very clear nervousness in interview.<BR/><BR/>I am afraid I keep going back to Gerry Payne and OB desperately seeking to cook the timelines together before the PJ arrived and I ask myself why on earth were they doing that , furiously scribbling away on Maddie's book. I also recall OB did a very defensive thing when he went for his initial interview with the PJ, he wanted to hand them a group timeline that had by then been actually carefully typed out among them all. Of course the PJ were most upset by this and said you just cannot produce that, we want your evidence here and your evidence alone. <BR/><BR/>The waiter says both Gerry and OB were missing at the relevant time for a lengthy period and I do think this holds the key, together of course with the Smiths seeing someone just like Gerry.<BR/><BR/>Then of course there is the e-fit of another witness describing a man who again looks just like Gerry hanging around that night!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-40863272087108615752009-02-06T16:41:00.001+00:002009-02-06T16:41:00.001+00:00or more likely ... a Villa of cardsor more likely ... a Villa of cardsbath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-89932096895171289942009-02-06T16:41:00.000+00:002009-02-06T16:41:00.000+00:00House of cards?House of cards?bath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-80244153702578581662009-02-06T16:38:00.000+00:002009-02-06T16:38:00.000+00:00Imagine if a fraud is proven one day you can just ...Imagine if a fraud is proven one day you can just see so many pathetic reporters saying 'of course hindsight is a wonderful thing.' <BR/><BR/>How many times do you hear that nowadays when you literally say to the television 'codswallop, any two bit no brainer could see that from the start.' <BR/><BR/>This is an important point because reporters allowed themselves to show unbalanced reports. A clever intelligent person can use words to show that a balance has been taken in a story and too many journalists have either been bought off or been lazy in work. <BR/><BR/>I think this case clearly highlights how PR has completely taken over our society at all levels. A sad indication but not as sad as the fact that a toddler went missing and a mother refused to answer police questions and further to that she wants us to blindly beleive without question that she is the victim.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, a sustained bigoted campaign against anyone who wishes to probe and inquire as to why a mother would say wash a child's most treasured toy or perhaps how a father can casually play tennis just days later or wear smiles of joy a week after such terrible news of your oldest IVF child's vanishment.<BR/><BR/>It will not be hindsight it will be common sense and professional policework that will uncover the full facts one day. One day soon me thinks too.bath theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454382080442358862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-54644862978331214532009-02-06T16:34:00.000+00:002009-02-06T16:34:00.000+00:00WizardI am normaly a person to give people the ben...Wizard<BR/><BR/>I am normaly a person to give people the benefit of the doubt... I normaly always see good in people which is why this whole thing has been strange for me...<BR/><BR/>My thoughts on JT were that she was so worried that no one was taking Madeleines abduction seriously and as a friend she was worried sick so thought by inventing a kidnapper the police may start to do something?<BR/><BR/>As time has gone on and I have read the statements I am not sure she could have been protecting her husband he would be the obvious suspect as he was missing for so long...<BR/><BR/>I could never belive that any of the T7 knew anything but as time has gone on something is so obviously wrong I cant belive they think they are all going to get away with it...<BR/><BR/>It is tragic that something evil happend on a holiday and probebly did not involve anyone but the McCann's now it looks like 7 more lives will be ruined as perverting the course of justice is a very serious offence...<BR/><BR/>xxxhope4truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10617271855989681623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-81097698669546388212009-02-06T16:26:00.000+00:002009-02-06T16:26:00.000+00:00Meanwhile on 3 As, things are as amusing as ever a...Meanwhile on 3 As, things are as amusing as ever and poor Tony has developed a cough:-)))<BR/><BR/><BR/>Tony Bennett <BR/> Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and Sacrilege<BR/>New postPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:35 pm <BR/>First Time Offender<BR/>User avatar<BR/><BR/>Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:49 pm<BR/>Posts: 607<BR/>Location: Harlow, Essex <BR/>viv wrote:<BR/>Let me put it another way so that it may aid your understanding, why have all the British agency investigation files been withheld, not just from the general public, but from Kate and Gerry McCann as well?<BR/><BR/><BR/>er, because, as I thought you would have known from your previous legal experience (cough), that is what happens in all criminal investigations in the U.K.<BR/><BR/>See Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and<BR/>Freedom of Information Act 2000, especially Section 30 which states:<BR/><BR/>30(1) Information held by a public authority is exempt information if it has at any time been held by the authority for the purposes of:-<BR/><BR/>(a) any investigation which the public authority has a duty to conduct with a view to it being ascertained-<BR/><BR/>(i) whether a person should be chargeb with an offence, or<BR/><BR/>(ii) whether a person charged with an offence is guilty of it<BR/><BR/>(b) any investigation which is conducted by the authority and in the circumstances may lead to a decision by he authority to institute criminal proceedings which the authority has power to conduct..."<BR/><BR/>...also Section 40 of the same Act...<BR/><BR/>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/><BR/><BR/>Report this post<BR/>Top <BR/> Profile Send private message E-mail <BR/>Reply with quote <BR/>viv <BR/> Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and Sacrilege<BR/>New postPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:43 pm <BR/>First Time Offender<BR/><BR/>Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:58 pm<BR/>Posts: 654 <BR/>Oh dear Tony did you miss these, look before you leap, that will be the day when I need anyone to explain PACE!<BR/><BR/>Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and Sacrilege<BR/>New postPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:31 pm<BR/>First Time Offender<BR/><BR/>Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:58 pm<BR/>Posts: 651<BR/>Understudy wrote:<BR/>Is it usual, in criminal cases, for the police files to be freely available to "interested parties" if the case is shelved?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Hi Understudy, in UK police investigation files are never available to suspects because that would compromise the ongoing investigation. The only time they can have the files is after they have been charged to prepare their defence and even then they do not get the whole police file, they just get the evidence the police intend to use against them.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:58 pm<BR/>Posts: 651<BR/>To be honest that is what I found extraordinay about the McCanns application to the High Court last year demanding UK agency files. I think they probably knew they would get the Portuguese files but they wanted the British ones too, that is where they lost!<BR/><BR/><BR/> <BR/>Skeptical <BR/> Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and Sacrilege<BR/>New postPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:57 pm <BR/>Lifer<BR/><BR/>Joined: Sat May 17, 2008 5:32 pm<BR/>Posts: 5347<BR/>Location: 5 Orchard House Rothley <BR/>There is a complication in this case though.<BR/>Considering that it was a Portuguese Investigation, (I say was until it is unarchived), and the UK Police, particularly LP, were merely assisting the Portuguese Investigation, which is what Jacqui Smith has confirmed and the LP have also confirmed, wouldn't any documentation which the UK Police had on the case, be the rightful Property of the Portuguese Authorities ?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Report this post<BR/>Top <BR/> Profile <BR/>Reply with quote <BR/>viv <BR/> Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and Sacrilege<BR/>New postPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:59 pm <BR/>First Time Offender<BR/><BR/>Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:58 pm<BR/>Posts: 654 <BR/>OMG I am not going to answer that =)) =))<BR/><BR/><BR/>Report this post<BR/>Top <BR/> Profile Send private message <BR/>Edit post Reply with quote <BR/>Skeptical <BR/> Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and Sacrilege<BR/>New postPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:02 pm <BR/>Lifer<BR/><BR/>Joined: Sat May 17, 2008 5:32 pm<BR/>Posts: 5347<BR/>Location: 5 Orchard House Rothley <BR/>viv :<BR/><BR/>Are you disputing that the LP were assisting a Portuguese Investigation ?<BR/>If not, try to respond intelligently.<BR/>It is a valid query.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-65833317224778039102009-02-06T16:22:00.000+00:002009-02-06T16:22:00.000+00:00Well, yea erm, you know, tut, erm, actually no, w...Well, yea erm, you know, tut, erm, actually no, well erm, like, tut, we are all thick, nutters on here Wiz:-)))Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-37283789973381111112009-02-06T15:54:00.000+00:002009-02-06T15:54:00.000+00:00Hi Viv,"Was that a theory to rule out Kate and Ger...Hi Viv,<BR/>"Was that a theory to rule out Kate and Gerry McCann who have swindled the public out of millions of pounds:-)))"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Well… no, I must be slow today I don’t understand.Wizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647410173508843374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-74780660520220588172009-02-06T15:32:00.000+00:002009-02-06T15:32:00.000+00:00Hiya WizWas that a theory to rule out Kate and Ge...Hiya Wiz<BR/><BR/>Was that a theory to rule out Kate and Gerry McCann who have swindled the public out of millions of pounds:-)))<BR/><BR/>Nancy<BR/><BR/>True to say there is no definitive theory as to what happened, that is probably locked up in British investigation files/ the other two third of the PJ file that we are not allowed to see!<BR/><BR/>xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-77626205197606570042009-02-06T12:53:00.000+00:002009-02-06T12:53:00.000+00:00Hi Viv and everyone - So many theories:1. K&G ...Hi Viv and everyone - <BR/><BR/>So many theories:<BR/><BR/>1. K&G overdosed Maddie and she died after they tried to revive her.<BR/><BR/>2. Maddie got out of bed to look for them, fell down those steps and had a tragic accident that Kate discovered on her final check.<BR/><BR/>3. Maddie was climbing on the back of the sofa look out of the window and had a massive fall on the marble floor.<BR/><BR/>4. Kate or Gerry lost their temper after coming home drunk and had to listen to their upstairs neighbour have a got at them for leaving their children alone and Maddie died.<BR/><BR/>5. Maddie has been handed over to someone else to look after because Kate can't cope.<BR/><BR/>6. They didn't make the checks, or at least very few, and an abductor did take Maddie through the open door, (if it was open) not the window - too small and too high and there were no fingerprints other than Kates. I very much doubt that theory though.<BR/><BR/>7. It is a massive scam - they know she is safe and well and it was all to make lots of money and fame, hence everything went like clockwork.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure there are more theories, but that's enough for now!<BR/><BR/>Be back on Monday everyone - friends are coming for the weekend. You can be sure I'll discuss this case!<BR/><BR/>Have a good weekend!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Nxnancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757653677727421758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-38608124855241798212009-02-06T08:31:00.000+00:002009-02-06T08:31:00.000+00:00Good Morning,Having read statements and looked at ...Good Morning,<BR/><BR/>Having read statements and looked at the evidence in the public domain I now feel the T7 did not have anything to do with Madeleine disappearance. I think they did pervert the course of justice by lying about events on 3rd May but the lies were not to cover up in anyway for the McCanns – their priority was to lie and misdirect to cover their own backs.<BR/><BR/>Tanners statement regarding Bundleman was imo a blatant lie to cover for O’Brien who was absent at a crucial time in the alleged ‘taking’ of Madeleine. This absence gave him the most opportunity within the T7 to be involved in this crime. Hence to ensure suspicion did not fall on him she lies with a description of man the exact opposite in appearance to O’Brien. She needs then to set a time for this sighting - she know Gerry was talking to Jez as when he returned to the Tapis Bar he announced this in a loud voice. GM also says all was well at just after 9.00pm when he checked on the children, therefore, she says that just after G has left the apartment she sees both Gerry and Jez and also sees a man carrying a child which could well have been Madeleine. This time frame thus diverts attention from a crucial period her partner does not have an alibi. <BR/><BR/>The rest of the T7 lie because their priority was to cover for themselves. They were aware the checks they made on their children were not adequate and they could face charges and they simply lie to give the impression they were checking more often they than they were. They were aware of how the neglect of their children would look and lie to give the impression they were more diligent than in fact the case. This is the reason their times and movements do not match up and cause confusion.<BR/><BR/>Would the T7 now own up and give a correct account of their movements on the night of May 3rd? Well no – because initially their fear was they might have been charged with child neglect now their fear must be they could be charged with perverting the course of justice or both. Imo the best for them is to keep their heads down and say nothing.Wizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647410173508843374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-61662018708934444472009-02-06T04:02:00.000+00:002009-02-06T04:02:00.000+00:00beachy Post subject: Re: In Defence of Stuart ...beachy <BR/> Post subject: Re: In Defence of Stuart Prior<BR/>New postPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:27 am <BR/>Mafia Boss<BR/>User avatar<BR/><BR/>Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:16 pm<BR/>Posts: 2774 <BR/>ashbrooke wrote:<BR/>If I may add to your comment beachy, sometimes people are most definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time.<BR/>I've often wondered what that experience must be like, and hope like many people it won't happen to me.<BR/>For Stuart Prior it did, and in life's lottery he was dealt a difficult hand. If he is a strong man with a conscience he will live to tell the tale.<BR/>We can be critical of certain individuals and critical of how they conduct themselves, but caught up in this hellish masquerade would we do anything different, would we succumb to the same powers and be afraid to stand up and tell the truth?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ashbrooke, I do not know Stuart Prior nor anyone else currently working at the Leicestershire constabulary. All I know is what I have been told about them by people I trust.<BR/><BR/>I do not know exactly what is afoot here, but I do not believe that anyone is stupid enough to call in any UK policeman and give him directions to throw the Madeleine McCann case. There are things that have been done, however, that may have negatively affected the case but that also could be perfectly justified by the authorities.<BR/><BR/>Example: The decision, which Dr. Amaral mentions in his book, to withdraw the UK police from Portugal after the McCanns were named arguidos. (Though there were, in fact, UK policemen, including Prior, who went back there from time to time afterwards.) Was this done to deprive the PJ of desperately needed help? Or did someone in the Leics constabulary decide that, since the criminals of Leicestershire had doubtless not been obliging enough to stand down whilst members of the force were seconded to Portugal, there was a backlog of work at home, and that the McCanns' having been named arguidos, the dogs having done their work, and the forensics having been sent off for evaluation, the PJ should have been able to take it from there? I cannot say, and I do not think anyone else on here knows the answer to that either. I should not be surprised if even those Leics police who were affected by these orders cannot say for certain what was behind them.<BR/><BR/>Even with the suspicions I have that the McCanns were, at a minimum, accorded special treatment that might not have been available to ordinary citizens without connections in the same situation, I cannot say that it was the wrong decision to make to withdraw the UK police from Portugal at that time.<BR/><BR/>I have read everything I can find on the internet that has come from the DVD, and frankly, the biggest gap I see in the investigation is that the PJ themselves did not separate the tapas 9 and interview the hell out of them individually as soon as they realised that important aspects of their stories were not matching up. It is not unusual for investigators to flounder around at the beginning of a case whilst getting the lay of the land, so to speak, but the fact is that this lot were going to be leaving Portugal sooner rather than later, and the window for penetrating interviews with them was beginning to close even as early as 4 May.<BR/><BR/>It was inevitable, as I've also posted many times before, that if Madeleine's body was not located, this case was only going to be solved by testimony from a witness or a confession. The best chance to make that happen, in my opinion, was in Portugal immediately after Madeleine went missing, when all the tapas 9 were still present. Interview them separately so that they cannot confer with one another before their stories are set in stone. Go over and over and over the facts IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL again and again and again no matter how long it takes till either (1) you are convinced they have told everything they know, and it is the truth, (2) someone confesses or provides vital information, or (3) they refuse to talk to you any more and you have no means of compelling them to do so.<BR/><BR/>That could have accounted, in my opinion, for the "nervousness" that Amaral said he observed in Prior. Prior, Chris Eyre and the other Leics policemen on scene may not have felt comfortable with what they were seeing coming out of the interviews, but you are always loathe in that position to try to impose your ideas on somebody else's case, particularly in another country where you don't know the laws. I know if I had been there, my impulse would have been to sit down at an interview table and say, for example, "Okay, Jane, let us cut out the sh*t and talk about what really happened that night. Gerry and Jez Wilkins are not blind. How do you account for the fact that you walked almost within arm's length of them, yet they do not report seeing you?" (I myself might have wound up in jail in Portugal for my aggressiveness, LOL.) That wasn't done that I can see, and I think it was of crucial importance, but at the same time, the PJ was the cognizant investigating authority, not the Leics police, who were there merely to assist.<BR/><BR/>The PJ, to their credit, sent statements to Lisbon and some inspectors in the DCCB analysed them and used computer programmes to identify inconsistencies. But by the time that information got back to Portimao, the tapas 7 were long gone and no longer available for questioning. Two or three policemen can do the same thing in the middle of the night with copies of statements spread out on a table in a conference room at the local police station, a couple of yellow legal pads and a handful of government-issue pens. It doesn't always point you towards the answer, but sometimes it is a big help. I have done it many times.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-76561228474178568102009-02-06T03:11:00.000+00:002009-02-06T03:11:00.000+00:00about the issues we have faced since Madeleine was...about the issues we have faced since Madeleine was abducted.<BR/><BR/>Gerry McCann 2008Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-10164871786176250422009-02-06T03:02:00.000+00:002009-02-06T03:02:00.000+00:00I think there may be two reasons they are no longe...I think there may be two reasons they are no longer asking for money from the Fund, one, we can see the article below was one big rip off lie and two the police are on to them! <BR/><BR/>Any current negotitions ongoing then Clarence for £2M deals that they clearly will not be wasting on looking for little Maddie, what a sick excuse for human you are!<BR/><BR/>We think this was all one big fund raising con and would really like to know what you did with little Maddie?<BR/><BR/>Kate and Gerry 'plan £2m film deal' as Madeleine Fund dwindles<BR/>By VANESSA ALLEN<BR/>Last updated at 09:06 09 January 2008<BR/><BR/> * Comments (123)<BR/> * Add to My Stories<BR/><BR/>Kate and Gerry McCann could make £2million from a film deal over the story of their daughter's disappearance, it has been claimed.<BR/><BR/>Representatives of the couple have begun negotiations with the world's largest entertainment agency, IMG, over selling the rights to their story.<BR/><BR/>They hope a lucrative deal would fund the continuing search for Madeleine amid fears that the £1.2million raised from public donations will run out within months.<BR/><BR/>Scroll down for more...<BR/>Madeleine McCann<BR/><BR/>Missing: Madeleine may become the subject of a film that would raise funds for the McCanns' search<BR/>Read more...<BR/><BR/> * Fears police are ready to charge McCanns as investigators prepare to re-interview Tapas Nine<BR/> * Blood found in McCanns' hire car 'DID come from Madeleine'<BR/> * ALLISON PEARSON: What CAN Kate and Gerry be thinking?<BR/> * MAIL COMMENT: Madeleine the movie: One step too far<BR/><BR/>But Gerry McCann was quick to deny the story.<BR/><BR/>In his latest blog entry on the official Find Madeleine website, he wrote: "We can categorically deny that we are considering a movie about Madeleine's disappearance.<BR/><BR/>"This is simply untrue. We are approached by a huge number of media outlets regarding a myriad of projects, only a tiny proportion of which we agree to.<BR/><BR/>"Each proposal is considered on whether it is likely to have a positive effect, either directly or indirectly, on the search for Madeleine.<BR/><BR/>"There was a preliminary discussion between a production agency and a representative of Kate and I to discuss the possibility of a documentary about the issues we have faced since Madeleine was abducted.<BR/><BR/>"Clearly Europe is a long way behind the USA in terms of its response when a child goes missing."<BR/><BR/>Gerry's statement follows warnings that the McCanns would risk a public backlash if they were perceived to be cashing in on the eight-month tragedy.<BR/><BR/>So far the McCanns, both 39, have turned down offers from big-name chat shows and television dramas as they were anxious to avoid being seen as celebrities.<BR/><BR/>Scroll down for more...<BR/>mccanns<BR/><BR/>Kate and Gerry McCann: Negotiating over a film of Madeleine's disappearance<BR/><BR/>However the flood of donations after Madeleine went missing on May 3 slowed to a trickle when they were named as police suspects in September.<BR/><BR/>The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell confirmed that their representatives began talks with IMG last month, and said they would consider only "something done sensitively and considerately".<BR/><BR/>At the same time, however, Portuguese police are preparing to fly to Britain to oversee fresh interviews with the couple and the group of seven friends who were on holiday with them in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished.<BR/><BR/>Even now, leaks from inside the inquiry have suggested that police believe they have enough evidence to charge the couple, possibly with 'accidental homicide', hiding a body or faking a crime.<BR/><BR/>A publicist, who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the high-profile case, said: "It seems extraordinary to be negotiating film rights while they are still suspects in the investigation. It's a huge risk."<BR/><BR/>The McCanns set up the Find Madeleine fund in May to finance the search for their four-year-old daughter. It has been used to fund a private detective agency, Metodo 3, and to pay their living costs while they both took extended unpaid leave from their jobs as doctors.<BR/><BR/>But it hit controversy last year when it was revealed that they had used the public donations to pay two £2,000 instalments of the mortgage on their £500,000 house in Rothley, Leicestershire.<BR/><BR/>The directors of the fund - mostly friends and colleagues of the McCanns - control how the money is used. They are due to meet today and are expected to discuss the film deal proposal.<BR/><BR/>If the deal goes ahead with IMG, it would involve the same team which made Touching The Void, the award-winning drama-documentary about two British mountaineers' fight for survival in the Peruvian Andes. It interspersed interviews with the mountaineers, Joe Simpson and Simon Yates, with a dramatic reconstruction of events, using actors.<BR/><BR/>A film about the McCanns' search for their daughter could use a similar format, but only if Mr and Mrs McCann were formally cleared as arguidos, official suspects, in the inquiry. While they remain arguidos they are banned from speaking publicly about the events of May 3 and the police investigation.<BR/><BR/>Scroll down for more...<BR/><BR/>The company which made Touching the Void, Darlow Smithson Productions, has sent Mr and Mrs McCann a tape to show them how it would treat their story. A spokesman said the firm "had a preliminary meeting with representatives of the McCanns about the possibility of an observational documentary following the ongoing search for Madeleine.<BR/><BR/>"Discussions are still at a very early stage and the issue of money has never been raised."<BR/><BR/>Jonathan Dean, of the magazine Total Film, said he believed the movie rights could go for up to £2million. Disgraced banker Nick Leeson earned a reported £450,000 when he sold the rights to his autobiography, Rogue Trader.<BR/><BR/>Offers to Austrian kidnap victim Natascha Kampusch were said to have topped £1million.<BR/><BR/>Clarence Mitchell said: "We've not agreed anything, we're not about to sign anything. We like the proposal, we thought it was fair, but there are others."<BR/><BR/>He added: "It would be commercially naive if we did not ask for a donation to the Madeleine fund. We would be giving up the rights to a lot of money which could help to find her.<BR/><BR/>"Any money raised that way would go to the fund, which Kate and Gerry do not control. This is not about personal gain for them.<BR/><BR/>"Madeleine's Fund is spent on investigators and advertising. It's dwindling. The money is going. I would imagine we've got a few months left. It's not going to last the year unless we get more money in."<BR/><BR/>Mr Mitchell said a book deal was also being considered "at some point down the line". He confirmed reports that one of the directors of the fund, former GMTV presenter Esther McVey, had resigned from the board, but denied it was because of any rift with the McCanns.<BR/><BR/>He said she wanted to concentrate on her role as a Conservative parliamentary candidate and was also about to start studying for a demanding MBA qualification.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-91889498335930664912009-02-06T02:34:00.000+00:002009-02-06T02:34:00.000+00:00Really good post by Beachy and could not agree mor...Really good post by Beachy and could not agree more!<BR/><BR/> Post subject: In Defence of Stuart Prior<BR/>New postPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:06 pm <BR/>Mafia Boss<BR/>User avatar<BR/><BR/>Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:16 pm<BR/>Posts: 2774 <BR/>As I've posted before, I do not come here for popularity, but for justice for Madeleine.<BR/><BR/>I was dismayed earlier today when two Portuguese newspapers reported that that cretin Leandro Silva said that "British police" had investigated Goncalo Amaral and he knew Amaral was going to be removed a week before it happened and many people seemed to accept that statement at face value, and moreover to blame the situation on Stuart Prior.<BR/><BR/>Here, from Correio da Manha and Joana Morais's excellent blogspot, is what Goncalo Amaral himself had to say about that:<BR/><BR/>“A community of psychopaths.” That is how the former PJ coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, classifies Leonor Cipriano and her lawyer Aragão Correia, while reacting to the direct accusations that had been made by the defense lawyer at the Court in Faro on Monday.<BR/><BR/>“That gentleman is not defending Leonor’s interests, but rather those of other persons that are unrelated to this process. He’s on someone’s orders”, Amaral accuses. At the same time he alerts towards the fact that the lawyer has “a strong connection to Método 3”, the detective agency that was paid by the McCann couple to investigate the disappearance of Maddie. Aragão Correia revealed that he knew that the British police had carried out a private investigation on Amaral and even spoke to Leandro. At the time, he was informed that the policeman would be removed from the Maddie case – one week before the fact was made public. Amaral says that 'it wasn’t the police, it was Método 3'”.<BR/><BR/>I think Dr. Amaral has nailed it. If they were not misquoted, apparently the lovely Leonor has got herself both a boyfriend and a lawyer who are either outright liars or so stupid that they do not know the difference between a group of Spanish-speaking PIs and British policemen. Good. That's exactly what she deserves. Hopefully, her performance in court will continue to enrage the judge and she will wind up serving a sentence for perjury in addition to the 16 years she's already got for Joana's murder.<BR/><BR/>But I think Stuart Prior and the vast majority of the UK police who worked on this case deserve better than an assumption that they are guilty merely because a lawyer who took money from an outfit working for the McCanns and a man who, at the least, tolerated child abuse and probably much worse under his own roof accused them of spying on/investigating Amaral.<BR/><BR/>Stuart Prior, let us remember, was the one who, in essence, blew the whistle on the FSS for what he apparently perceived as irregularities in their reports on the DNA analysis. If the fix was in and he was on side with the McCanns, why would he have picked up the phone and shouted at John Lowe? He has many years to go before retirement, and he will inevitably have to deal with the FSS on many more occasions during his career. He cannot have endeared himself to them by what he said to them about this case.<BR/><BR/>I do not defend the police when I believe their actions are not defensible. I think that the policemen who shot Jean Charles de Menezes should be in prison somewhere this minute. I heard a news report today that a policeman who works near Washington, DC and caused an accident that killed two people and seriously injured 15 others whilst pursuing a motorcyclist at 105 mph on a busy highway with his police car's emergency lights and siren turned off was acquitted by a judge. I consider that an OUTRAGE. But just as firmly as I believe that those policemen were absolutely in the wrong and should be severely punished for what they did, I just as strongly believe that Stuart Prior (and other Leics policemen, for that matter) have done more to try to get justice for Madeleine than the collective lot of us on this forum will ever achieve altogether.<BR/><BR/>We should beware what we wish for. I should not blame Prior at all if he were to say, "F*ck-all, no one needs this" and wash his hands of the case. If he does, Madeleine will lose someone who truly is trying to find the truth about what happened to her. I would stake my own reputation on it.<BR/><BR/>Flame away. There are many people here that I have come to care deeply about over past months, but at the end of the day, that's not why I'm here. I am here for justice for Madeleine, the one person in all this who cannot defend herself.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-39702420512331862782009-02-05T21:50:00.000+00:002009-02-05T21:50:00.000+00:00Di, a clever hoax, well it does seem bizarre but I...Di, a clever hoax, well it does seem bizarre but I have to admit when I really think it all through that is just what it looks like to me. The motive money and they know Maddie is OK. <BR/><BR/>I just believe there are so many indications this was planned and deliberate and ther are so many family members even that are helping them, I am just struggling to believe they would so so if they believe they murdered Maddie. <BR/><BR/>The other alternative hardly bears thinking about in relation to her being taken alive but again, I do think that is possible also and it kind of fits with the Mcs being so adamant they could get her back, but it is almost more sick than them dumping her corpse. <BR/><BR/>xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.com