tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post8876035570659411443..comments2023-10-31T09:28:27.222+00:00Comments on JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND THE TWINS: KATE AND GERRY PRIME SUSPECTSUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-54051250828356839572008-01-05T01:41:00.000+00:002008-01-05T01:41:00.000+00:00Hiya AthenaI have no doubt in the professional int...Hiya Athena<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt in the professional integrity of Dr Amaral and after all no decent detective would have failed to suspect these two. We heard that even the two GNR officers first on the scene were utterly bemused their demeanour and irrational claims of a supposed break in - when there was simply no evidence to support this. I keep thinking of that picture of the Portuguese scenes of crime lady dusting down the shutters on the outside and fingerprints clearly coming into view! Jez Wilkins saw Gerry messing with those shutters. I bet they are his fingerprints!<BR/><BR/>I think it is very disheartening and frustrating not just to UK and Portuguese citizens but to people the world over who want to see justice that what we actually see is so many political strings being pulled for these two. So they are allowed to run home and two decent officers are removed from the investigation. Amaral and Sousa. I do not know why the Portuguese bowed to political pressure from the UK but it does look like they did. They should have treated the McCanns just the same way they would have treated Portuguese doctors who had neglected one of their children and did not have any satisfactory explanation as to why she had just disappeared and remanded them in custody until they got their memories back!<BR/><BR/>I think in the end Dr Amaral will get the respect he deserves when all the evidence he gathered against these two miscreants comes to light - which it will!<BR/><BR/>Luv Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-56012463042835095842008-01-05T01:11:00.000+00:002008-01-05T01:11:00.000+00:00Dear Viv,As you see I am trying to catch up with r...Dear Viv,<BR/><BR/>As you see I am trying to catch up with reading!<BR/><BR/>Regarding Dr Gonçalo Amaral: there is not a single wee chance that he has been fooled. He knows and has known since the very first day what has happened to the Little One we are seeking justice for.<BR/>Dr Gonçalo Amaral has been the scape goat in this case, and I am not afraid to say that Portuguese authorities have had a most shameful attitude as they let politics and politicians manipulate this case and did not get out to protect this highly professional gentleman.<BR/>I want justice for little Madeleine and I want someone in my country to have the balls to tell us what has happened and why they let the PJ through Dr Gonçalo Amaral be smeared to the most unacceptable point.<BR/>Was it all about that european sort of treaty that has been signed???<BR/><BR/>Hugsssssssss<BR/><BR/>AthenaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-52769964125855196532008-01-05T01:06:00.000+00:002008-01-05T01:06:00.000+00:00Hiya LizzieYes the thought of being a doctor livin...Hiya Lizzie<BR/><BR/>Yes the thought of being a doctor living in great comfort or in a prison cell to support Kate and Gerry would send cold shivers down most people's spines! Not a very good choice...<BR/><BR/>Well they do drop things out sometimes dont they - John McCann's wife - done separate post with a nice pic of her! Thanks very much - I really cant be bothered to read all that forum!<BR/><BR/>Luv Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-78225870265123932752008-01-05T00:45:00.000+00:002008-01-05T00:45:00.000+00:00Viv, Will be interesting to see what develops...Viv,<BR/> Will be interesting to see what develops from the possible meeting of one of the Tapas friends with the Police, I think you are right in saying that now things are getting serious it is possible that they will not want to incrminate themselves with false statements they have previously given and will want to correct any inconsistancies, after all I can't imagine how ever good friends they are that they would be willing to receive a custodial sentence for lying for Gerry and Kate.Interesting thing happened on the DE tonight Christabel drew Rosiepops attention to a post by Tinkerbell or may be the other way round , mentioning a relative called Diane, Doppelganger quickly spotted the truth and suggested we google the well known surname with Diane, guess who came up an Aunt caled Diane Mccann so their relatives are on the DE. Anyway Viv off to bed now so will say Goodnight and speak soon xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-88801703497402783652008-01-04T23:42:00.000+00:002008-01-04T23:42:00.000+00:00MCCANNS04.01.08, 10:56pmLet's hope the McCann's ta...MCCANNS<BR/>04.01.08, 10:56pm<BR/><BR/>Let's hope the McCann's take the PJ to the European Court of Human Rights.......After all if true and Murat is being released from his status then the McCanns can!<BR/><BR/>• Posted by: Mandz • Report Comment<BR/><BR/><BR/>When is this dozy little girl going to grow up! Just how stupid is she? <BR/><BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-23059066925185415462008-01-04T22:40:00.000+00:002008-01-04T22:40:00.000+00:00Hiya Lizzie you said:Hi Viv,So glad I mananged to ...Hiya Lizzie you said:<BR/><BR/>Hi Viv,<BR/>So glad I mananged to post and actually get it on your site yesterday, I read an interesting poat befre on the Mirror forum from someone called Miguel, he said that he had been told by his friend who works for the pj that one of the Tapas 7 has given info to the police in return for immunity and is due to go there in the next 2 days, coudl be false obviously but who knows, if there are some of them involved along with Gerry and Kate it may well be true.<BR/><BR/>----------<BR/><BR/>Glad you are managing to post now because I always enjoy your posts. This was originally reported in El Mundo a very reputable Spanish Newspaper. It makes complete sense to me. Members of the Tapas group who support K&G in lying to the police or worse still actually taking part in disposing of the body risk a custodial sentence themselves. So it is not at all beyond the realms of possibility that one or more of them have had the good sense to go and seek independant legal advice - due to fear of what may happen to them. Fear of the unknown is terrifying and the only way they could be more clear on their own situation is to go and speak to a solicitor. No doubt, one skilled in criminal law, rather than Mr Smethurst who is apparently acting for the McCanns (heaven help them). Each area of law is like a separate and quite massive subject in itself - solicitors cannot be good at everything and do not bother to try - criminal law is a highly specialised and complex area. I see certain posters have sought to suggest that a solicitor instructed by perhaps Mr Oldfield would not speak to the press on his behalf. Rosie claims that would be acting unprofessionally. This just goes to show how little she knows about solicitors. They act in the best interests of their client and in accordance with their client's instructions which can of course inclue speaking to the press on their behalf. It would also of course include speaking to the PJ on hehalf of the client to try and negotiate a deal - e.g. to agreee to become a prosecution witness with immunity from prosecution for his own wrongdoing which in for example Mr Oldfield's case does not seem to be huge. Clearly the PJ are not going to tell us whether this has happened but again to suggest as Rosie and others do that the case against the McCanns has not moved on at all in the last four months in terms of gathering more evidence against them is positively absurd! The PJ were told by the Portuguese judge that they could not interview the McCanns again until they had gone away and got more evidene to render further questioning worthwhile. Clearly they are now authorised to put further questions and it can be guaranteed they have a host of new evidence now to put to them. It was very disreputable behaviour to arrange for all the Tapss group to meet in the hotel room at the end of November immediately prior to when they believed they were about to be re-questioned and again I wonder if it was the inexperienced and ill advised Mr Smethurst that arranged this. Seeking to change their stories to get them straight now is likely to land the Mcs and their friends in a whole load more trouble by showing them us as liars who are not going to be believed in court and perverting the course of justice into the death and disposal of a little girl. When people lie in such a serious investigation they can be looking at some big time custodial sentences. So again if at least one of them is running scared about that - how very wise of him!<BR/><BR/>Luv Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-40884443452794620352008-01-04T22:23:00.000+00:002008-01-04T22:23:00.000+00:00CKHI have had a look but those are clearly fingerm...CKH<BR/><BR/>I have had a look but those are clearly fingermarks on Kate's arm and what of the more severe bruising on her elbow and just above - blow the pic up even 200% and they are very visible (pic on severe bruising post) To suggest that Kate herself carried Maddie's body off in a bag and in so doing caused those bruises to her arm - I think is bordering on the positively absurd!<BR/><BR/>Kind Regards<BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-26391991756571805082008-01-04T22:00:00.000+00:002008-01-04T22:00:00.000+00:00Someone on the Mirror forum thinks s/he's got the ...Someone on the Mirror forum thinks s/he's got the answer regarding Kate's bruises -- here's the link for you to check it out yourselves: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34375<BR/><BR/>Your faithful messenger! ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-50259501024893103762008-01-04T21:39:00.000+00:002008-01-04T21:39:00.000+00:00I have succumbed and gone on to the other site :)V...I have succumbed and gone on to the other site :)<BR/><BR/>Viv/Docmac - recently someone has made a posting mentioning the acid in the waters in a lake/river in Huelva. The suggestion here, I think, is pretty obvious. I have googled it but the answers are far to scientific for me! Is there any credibility in the theory that there would be enough acid there to dispose of a body completely? This one sounds a bit too far fetched for me! xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-25197913731359140252008-01-04T21:25:00.000+00:002008-01-04T21:25:00.000+00:00oops sorry my typing is terrible, please excuse it...oops sorry my typing is terrible, please excuse it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-18784502100976867792008-01-04T21:21:00.000+00:002008-01-04T21:21:00.000+00:00Hi Viv, So glad I mananged to post and actual...Hi Viv,<BR/> So glad I mananged to post and actually get it on your site yesterday, I read an interesting poat befre on the Mirror forum from someone called Miguel, he said that he had been told by his friend who works for the pj that one of the Tapas 7 has given info to the police in return for immunity and is due to go there in the next 2 days, coudl be false obviously but who knows, if there are some of them involved along with Gerry and Kate it may well be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-53404414237717643002008-01-04T20:47:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:47:00.000+00:00CKHThanks for posting the lengthy thread re the po...CKH<BR/><BR/>Thanks for posting the lengthy thread re the possibility something happened to Maddie on 2 not 3 May. Clearly this cannot be ruled out! Would just say I read a report, I believe, in the Daily Express, that Mrs Fenn heard Maddie cry out on 3 May.<BR/><BR/>In relation to prosecution for fraud - I do not see them getting away with this. It has made the original offence far more serious and contemptuous - in fact placing them in a category far worse than the average parent who kills a child. I have struggled as to jurisdiction for such a prosecution but think Portugal could also prosecute for this as they were in Portugal when originally commencing this money raising venture. Killing your child and then cashing in - really means the perpetrator just has to be a cold blooded psychopath - have a look at him in the pic outside the Whitehouse! With Kate it seems to be more a mental health issue than personality disorder (although she may have both!)- see the thread from Dec 07 Spanish Psychiatrist's comments. <BR/><BR/>Kind Regards<BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-55372444112051101112008-01-04T20:45:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:45:00.000+00:00lmcg Thanks for that I thought I had dremt that I...lmcg Thanks for that I thought I had dremt that I signed up...<BR/><BR/>I have never in my life joined a forum in my life and am spending far to much time in one and now I have joined 3...<BR/><BR/>It is so sad when a child is missing but this has to be the strangest case I have ever come across...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-52230134022834729102008-01-04T20:40:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:40:00.000+00:00It is very confusing isn't it and you thought this...It is very confusing isn't it and you thought this was difficult! Your name is there though so you did it somehow :) Good luck!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-31709964504110788722008-01-04T20:37:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:37:00.000+00:00LMCG I thought I had joined the 3Arguidos site but...LMCG I thought I had joined the 3Arguidos site but logged in and then it said something about an e mail and I never got one... I will go back in and see if I can crack it...<BR/><BR/>Viv thanks I have no sense of direction at the best of times so if lost at least someone will find me LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-791277540774227592008-01-04T20:27:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:27:00.000+00:00Hiya DoloresHow utterly unrealistic for them to su...Hiya Dolores<BR/><BR/>How utterly unrealistic for them to suggest that there status as arguidos will ever be dropped. I recall back in September Kate feeling they had sufficient evidence to charge her - she actually commented that she thought she would be! That was when I started to voice my concerns - well hang on a minute - how can we be sure she did it! I think the PJ were being very clever....<BR/><BR/>I have already posted (somewhere!) that Mr Smethurst has no criminal law experience whatsoever - his advice and assistance would be bordering on the completely useless. His suggestions of going to the European Court are an example of this. Firstly they would need a team of extremely able solicitors and barristers to pursue a legal remedy against the PJ and British Police in both countries right up to appeal level - legal costs probably several hundred thousand. And, a remedy for what - they have to prove their human rights have been breached - it is most certainly not a breach of human rights to investigate them for homicide! Even so, if he could think of a human right that had been breached and that the case had merit to warrant the costs (and I honestly cant) the average wait to get to the European court is 5-6 YEARS. Mr Smethurst is talking the talk but clearly could not cope with the walk. I get sick of hearing this daft propaganda! <BR/><BR/>Hope - you can pick any thread you like to comment on - we will find it and answer you!<BR/><BR/>Luv Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-70112519812769061232008-01-04T20:21:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:21:00.000+00:00Hello everyone. I have just come here from the 3 a...Hello everyone. I have just come here from the 3 arguidos site. What a minefield of information! I was there an hour just looking through all of the threads and don't think I even touched the surface! Think I will have to wait til my children are back at school before I can go through it properly!<BR/><BR/>Ironside - several recognisable names on there who have joined so I think your word is getting through!<BR/><BR/>Viv/Hope I also saw you had joined what did you think of it? Did it confuse you too - although I am easily confused!<BR/><BR/>At least I have managed to avoid the DE forum today. Am going to check the headlines now to see what, if anything I have missedin the news today.<BR/><BR/>See you all later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-33311198234547434262008-01-04T20:17:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:17:00.000+00:00Hiya DocThanks for that clear medical explanation....Hiya Doc<BR/><BR/>Thanks for that clear medical explanation. Unfortunately it does link in to the possible scenario that Madeleine did not die immediately and may have been kept somewhere. If this is the case - not getting her immediately hospitalised seems even more terrible. Granted though it is very hard to imagine where she could have been taken other than their businessman friend on the edge of Luz but why on earth would he agree to do that! Come what may I feel the PJ will ultimately give us all the answers. I still go with the theory that she did sustain a nasty head injury, most likely at the hands of Gerry perhaps by being smashed up against the wall and does of course fit with your medical explanation.<BR/><BR/>We are lucky to have a medical expert on board!<BR/><BR/>Thanks again<BR/>Viv xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507323081802465917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-52830702864897459042008-01-04T19:59:00.000+00:002008-01-04T19:59:00.000+00:00Evening All... Am I in the right place??? Januar...Evening All... Am I in the right place??? January 2008 is that the link that is todays posts (sorry to be thick but there are so many posts)...<BR/><BR/>Have I missed anything I am having a look around to see if I have...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-8902594178812217392008-01-04T19:35:00.000+00:002008-01-04T19:35:00.000+00:00Well Well Well!!Mc's are furious their arguido sta...Well Well Well!!<BR/>Mc's are furious their arguido status has not been dropped today.<BR/>McCann's legal team have warned them they may have to go to the European Court of Human Rights to have their arguido status lifted.<BR/>Which solicitor is giving them this hope ? Is it the double glazing one.mmmmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-60301315497981760342008-01-04T14:18:00.000+00:002008-01-04T14:18:00.000+00:00Thanks for that Ironside. I will take a look. See ...Thanks for that Ironside. I will take a look. See you all later, LucyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-61524412642708691092008-01-04T13:53:00.000+00:002008-01-04T13:53:00.000+00:00Thanks Docmac...forever in your debt...dont work t...Thanks Docmac...forever in your debt...dont work too hard.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-5489456088836374372008-01-04T11:16:00.000+00:002008-01-04T11:16:00.000+00:00Morning IronsideThe original report on 'spinal flu...Morning Ironside<BR/><BR/>The original report on 'spinal fluids' that you kindly posted seems to have been written by someone without knowledge of basic anatomy.<BR/><BR/>Cerebrospinal fluid exists in a central cavity running the length of the spinal cord which is continuous with a thin layer of coverings surrounding the brain itself. This fluid thus surrounds the brain itself too and acts as part of the shock absorber mechanism protecting the brain from sudden acceleration or deceleration forces. The fluid is manufactured and stored within cavities deep inside the brain (called ventricles).<BR/><BR/>Following from the anatomy it should be obvious that a spinal fracture would almost certainly not result in a loss of fluid as <BR/><BR/>1. The spinal cord itself is most often not severed and is in any event far from the skin surface. When one hears of 'severed' spinal cords leading to paralysis one must remember that 'severed' implies severance of some of the nerve fibres within the cord because of stretching, not a literal severance of the actual spinal cord itself.<BR/><BR/>2. The skin surface remains intact. There would be no way out for any fluid anyway.<BR/><BR/>CSF leaks come about in 2 ways:<BR/><BR/>1. A catastrophic injury to the cranium, leading to its fracture. Examples would include a significant blow to the head by a blunt instrument eg a hammer. The visible parts of the cranium are extremely strong though.<BR/><BR/>2. Much more likely in a child especially would be a fracture of the base of the skull (the bottom, ie the part above the palate, nasal cavities etc). This part of the skull is thinner and much more liable to break. The forces required to produce this fracture still require some violence, most commonly the skull stiking a flat surface with some force, eg falling off a landing or down stairs, or more worryingly in this case having your head thrust against a flat surface by someone else. Provided the violence is sufficient the skull will crack at it's weakest point. CSF commonly leaks from the nose or ears following such a fracture.<BR/><BR/>Contrary to what has been stated on the DE forum (by LisaJ, I think) most victims of a skull base fracture caused by a single blow survive, at least initially. A few of those will succumb to complications, infection being the obvious one as there is now a route into the skull for all sorts of nasty bugs.<BR/><BR/>I hope this answers your question. Sorry it is so long. If I have not explained something properly leave me a message here and I'll get back to you later. Have to work.<BR/><BR/>Kind regardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-28655093960299037532008-01-04T09:06:00.000+00:002008-01-04T09:06:00.000+00:00Morning Viv a little info for you...I do not share...Morning Viv a little info for you...I do not share much now with<BR/>the DX...so will leave this here....<BR/><BR/>3.1.08<BR/>Police has new evidence against Madeleine's parents <BR/><BR/>Investigation about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a quiet resort at Praia da Luz had “important developments” in the last weeks, after a Portuguese police team met with Leicestershire police and representatives from Forensic Science Service, the British laboratory where samples collected at the crime scene are being analysed.<BR/><BR/>On a preliminary report about the case, recently sent to the Public Prosecutor's Office, Polícia Judiciária (PJ) states that the parents remain the main suspects. Among other pieces of new evidence, there is a specific phone call and several messages, send from Ocean Resort, that are classified by investigators as “highly incriminating” Gerry and Kate McCann.<BR/><BR/>The same evidence also gave indications about how the body of Madeleine McCann could have been taken from the apartment and disposed of. Today, it was confirmed by a source from the Public Prosecutor's Office that a request to extend the time limit for the case will be filed, with the Criminal Court, before January 14, eight months after the first formal suspect was named.<BR/><BR/>Questions for the friends<BR/><BR/>The Tapas Group, the friends who had dinner with the McCann on May 3rd, will be questioned again soon, as a formal request to the British Home Office is ready. Police wants to clarify, first, contradictory statements about the night of May 3rd, and PJ detectives would like to interrogate Gerry and Kate before the end of January – something that will depend from the time Home Office and British police will take to proceed with the questionings.<BR/><BR/>Among many details that are confuse or contradictory, Police sources refer the fact that witnesses confirm they saw Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien going inside apartment 5A to check the three children sleeping there. The McCann spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, is already preparing public opinion for a new interrogation of Madeleine's parents and yesterday told British Media that Kate and Gerry would be pleased to clarify “misunderstandings” related with their previous statements.<BR/><BR/>New detectives hired<BR/><BR/>Hogan International, a company specialized in asset investigations, is reviewing Madeleine's case, working in coordination with Metodo 3, the Spanish detectives company that announced recently they knew who kidnapped Madeleine and promised to find her before Christmas. Sources close to the McCann supporters say that the six-month contract with Metodo 3, which ends around March, will not be renewed and Hogan International will replace them, in the private investigation set up by the McCann, following advise from Control Risk Group.<BR/><BR/>The McCann legal team has asked private investigators to concentrate in specific details of the investigation related with Police evidence of Madeleine's death and his body disposal, instead of following leads about sightings or other information related with a possible abductor.<BR/>Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis<BR/>Version Française<BR/>Editor's Note: <BR/><BR/>The increase of “troll” activity following the teaser I posted here, two hours ago, was visible in many forums and message boards discussing Madeleine's case. It's curious to analyse some of that activity and look at details about the most prolific posters. This is something that deserves a more researched article. Whenever people wishes to confirm that new evidence has been uncovered, just pay attention to the number of new witnesses or facts showing that Gerry and Kate are innocent and will have their status of “arguidos” lifted soon, published by the British Press. Clarence Mitchell has, indeed, good sources in the Government. He knows a lot more about the case than the legal defence team working for the McCann. But he didn't realized yet that every attempt to anticipate bad news with a disinformation campaign seems almost a confession and, at the same time, it's a proof of the strong and deep connections between authorities in UK and the McCann inner circle of supporters. <BR/>Paulo Reis<BR/><BR/>Posted by Paulo Reis at 22:30:00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8388977942755921926.post-681435491197435472008-01-04T09:00:00.000+00:002008-01-04T09:00:00.000+00:00Docmac and Viv...Watch out...you could be the new ...Docmac and Viv...Watch out...you could be the new Morcambe and Wise...catch you laterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com