| Photon thanks for confirmation that Liverudians do tend to pluralise the singular inappopriately i.e. you becomes yous which I have certainly heard but they do not pluralise the singular in the way Mum21 suggests i.e. yous becomes "they"!
Thanks also for the article from Daily Mail below where Nanny Pennington also says Murat was around, which is very odd, I make that four people now who say that, including Fiona Payne, Rachel Oldfield and Russell O'Brien.
Crucially it will be seen that Nanny Pennington is saying she was there within 5 minutes and this is what Kate was THEN screaming and that she had just literally lost it. This would seem to suggest she knew who had taken her and she just could not handle it or she was deliberately screaming it to hype the situation up as her friend Rachel Oldfield who claims to have been too shocked to even set foot in the apt, on her own admission, start ringing her BBC friend Landale, senior political correspondent with the BBC. So within a few minutes they are setting all of this in action and Kate is screaming it out to the neighbourhood. It seems to be deliberate and I would say it is, apart from the description of Kate's demeanour that Nanny Pennington gives but can we trust her given she is also insisting Murat was there, this does seem odd. "I did not know his name but he was there". Well yes, and so was David Payne who looks just like him! Is she not the same one who visited them in Leicester in about September or October time and who the Mcs asked for her whereabouts not to be disclosed? I would think a young girl 20 could easily be manipulated by this lot. There is something decidedly wrong about both words used within just a few minutes of noting her disappearance, "they" and "taken". They both fit so exactly with what they were subsequently saying, over and over again. Take Panorama for example, "taken" from her bed, this has been the stock phrase used by Mum21 and Co, over and over again. "they", again on Panorama Gerry was talking about these "predators" which clearly implies males, paedophiles, stalking them and seising their "8 minute window of opportunity". I am still at a loss to work that one out.
Going back to Kate's demeanour, I have always been of the view, it just was not natural to fall to bits like this within a few minutes. Adrenaline is a very powerful chemical that pumps into the blood in times of such extreme stress and gives a massive burst of determined energy to spring into action and try to save one's child. That is what any mother would have done, she would have been straight out there on her toes looking for her. But in the first interview with Jane HIll on BBC she lamely explains how she never went out and physically searched for her at all, going on to say, "well we have been doing a lot of work trying to find her behind the scenes". This is just cobblers for want of a better word. What she means is things likes Gerry's work behind the scenes, planning to go to America to make them look better by jumping on the Amber Alert bandwagon, he said himself that had been many months in the preparation when it finally got announced, in other words he had been preparing that, as we know, almost from the moment Madeleine disappeared. Just another of their ventures, that they no longer wish to talk about.
I can recall Kate and Gerry offering an excuse some six week later in the News of the World as to why they knew Maddie had immediately been "taken", cuddlecat had been placed on a high shelf. This was timed for the Sunday press as we so very frequently seen happen and it turned out to be yet another of their lies, trying to cover what they knew was a very serious mistake. Why do they keep saying "taken" anyway, does it make them a bit more nervous still to say "abducted" or "kidnapped". And what is more why could they never bring themselves to mention that massive reward, we all know if that was our child, we would have been begging every newspaper every day, to just keep on and on and on about that! But not the McCanns, they are somethings they are unnaturally shy about mentioning, but not of course her apparent eye defect.
Kate McCann DID scream 'They've taken her' claims new nanny witness
By DAN NEWLING
Last updated at 16:41 25 September 2007
The first eyewitness account of the frantic moments after Madeleine McCann disappeared can be revealed today.
Nanny Charlotte Pennington confirms that Kate McCann did scream: "They've taken her, they've taken her!"
The mother's precise words have become a pivotal issue in the case, with Portuguese police questioning why she would automatically assume Maddie had been abducted.
Mrs McCann's family have countered this by insisting they recall her shouting: "Madeleine's gone."
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Miss Pennington, however, one of the first people to set foot in the couple's apartment after the disappearance, says she heard the mother use both phrases.
The 20-year-old Briton, who tended children for the Mark Warner holiday complex in Praia da Luz, firmly believes the McCanns are innocent.
Speaking publicly for the first time yesterday, she described Mrs McCann in the aftermath as "a broken woman" who was shuddering and unable to move.
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The vital witness: Nanny Charlotte Pennington
"We are trained to comfort people in this type of situation but she was just inconsolable," she said.
Miss Pennington is considered a vital witness by Portuguese detectives with whom she spent more than four-and-a-half hours giving a statement.
She also claims British expat Robert Murat, the first suspect in the case, was in the area of the Ocean Club complex that night. He has repeatedly denied that he was there.
Talking from her mother's home in Leatherhead, Surrey, yesterday she told the Daily Mail: "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.
"When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her, they've taken her!'
"I was standing right in front of her outside the apartment's back door, in the alleyway. I was very close to her. It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it.
"I was one of three Mark Warner staff who saw her shouting it. They have all given statements to the Portuguese police saying that."
The "they've taken her" version of events was first given in the Portuguese press two days after Madeleine disappeared on May 3.
It remained unchallenged until last Thursday when a source close to the McCann family claimed Kate had actually shouted: 'Madeleine's gone!'
Miss Pennington flew out to start work at Praia da Luz on April 28 - the same day that the McCanns arrived. She had worked for Mark Warner on two previous occasions.
She was employed as a nanny in the Ocean Club resort's Baby Club, looking after children aged four to 12 months.
However, she also came into close contact with Madeleine, her two-year-old sister and brother Amelie and Sean, and their parents, both doctors aged 39.
She dismissed claims that the McCanns were not seen for six hours leading up to the disappearance.
She said: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents.
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"It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all."
After tea Miss Pennington went to work at the resort's evening creche, in which parents could leave their children while they went out for supper.
Just before 10pm the last mother arrived to collect her child from the creche and mentioned that she had just bumped into a man, who had been shouting a name.
"She didn't get the name, but she said it sounded something like 'Abbey, Gabby or Maddie'. We automatically went into lost-child procedure. In these situations, the first thing we do is investigate the scene.
"We knew that one of the other nanny's charges was called Maddie. We told the head of department what had happened and she took us straight to the apartment.
"There were no children in the room. The twins had been taken out already, I think by one of the McCanns' friends.
"When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her. They've taken her!'
Asked if it was the only thing she said, Miss Pennington answered: "It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it. She also repeated Madeleine's name and said: 'She's gone, she's gone'.
"I couldn't really believe what I was seeing - she was just so distraught. She was screaming out and tears were running down her face.
"Everyone else was running around trying to help.
"Kate and her friend, who was looking after her, were the only ones who weren't out looking for Madeleine."
While Gerry McCann leapt into action and began frantically searching the resort, she said his wife remained outside the apartment, shuddering with tears and unable to move.
Asked why she thought Mrs McCann might have shouted "They've taken her", Miss Pennington said:
"I'm not really sure. But maybe she saw some people looking at Madeleine earlier that day, and she immediately thought that they must have taken her."
The nanny was one of three staff who steered Mrs McCann to the nearby reception area, where they asked her to describe what Madeleine was wearing.
But she remained so hysterical that she could hardly communicate.
"We get missing children all the time, and I have seen plenty of hysterical mothers. But none of them were like Kate."
She confirmed reports from the McCanns' friends that Murat was at the scene.
"He was outside the lobby just before we started on our big search," she said.
"He was adamant that he wasn't there. But he was. He was there in the road, he was just looking. It was about 10.30. He was just watching
"I didn't know his name then. But the next day he was our interpreter and I met him then. He didn't take part in the searches, but he was there."
Murat has insisted that he was at his home nearby throughout the evening of Madeleine's disappearance. Portuguese sources have claimed that he will soon be told that he is no longer a suspect.
Miss Pennington explained that she spent the rest of the evening searching for Madeleine, before finally going to bed at 4am.
The following afternoon she was one of the first people to give witness statements to the Portuguese police.
Since then, she said, she has spoken to a Portuguese detective once and to two British detectives.
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Hi Viv - thanks for that thread, although I had been reading it myself yesterday.
If it is true Kate's words were:
"They've taken her" - as I've said before, if you have two daughters, you wouldn't scream out 'they've taken her' - you would scream out the name so everyone knows who you are talking about.
If I was one of the group she was screaming at, I would respond with "they've taken who Kate?" or "whose been taken?".
What you would scream out is -
"Gerry, come quickly, Maddie's gone and I can't find her" - perhaps hoping against hope that she had wandered off. So everyone would get up and help search the immediate area for Maddie.
"They've taken her" suggests that those she was talking to must have known who she was talking about!
As for the Liverpudlian's saying 'they' instead of he or she - I don't see what difference that makes because it still doesn't explain who 'her' is does it?
I still think that is one of the more incriminating utterances if it is true.
Hiya Nancy
I think a lot of people have been following this one judging by the views on 3 As and just thought I wanted to record it here as well because it is such a fundamental issue in this case and one that demonstrates guilty knowledge and planning beyond any doubt.
It is amazing the thread is still running and the quality of many of the comments are very high, a really helpful read.
Gerry quick, Maddie is missing, yes that sort of thing, normal, nothing normal about Kate and Gerry, as we know.
Poor Maddie and her little brother and sister born into this horror and one massive bloody fund!
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My issue is with the 'her' as well. Kate had two daughters and thus she would instinctively name the child who it was.
'They have taken Madeleine' or
'They have taken Amelie'
In order for 'They have taken her' to stand up in my opinion then the McCanns would have had to have had a specific threat that Madeleine and specifically Madeleine was in danger of being taken. If that was the case then they would have mentioned this to Amaral etc and those specific people would have been hunted down and charged.
Given the above comments it is my understanding :) that what she stated as her first few words was designed to completely slant any investigation to believe an abduction to have taken place from the off. It could also be a clever use of words because she may well know a group of adults did take her and thus feel she is telling the truth from her perspective.
In any case GCHQ would have taped them and know all about the text messages etc so a group of people in UK will know exactly what happened that night. Gaining evidence to convict guilty criminals is not easy is it in these days of rasied consciousness of how one can defend oneself.
Time will tell all when Brown leaves office.
Why when he leaves ? because he is obsessed by ego. That is why he cannot simply say sorry and cannot bear to admit he has gone down dodgy angles. Better to brazen everything out and ensure he is not humiliated yet again in his unelected stay as head of our country. He is a laughing stock abroad amongst everyone I know who do not even realise us British have had no say in him taking over the helm. It is such a shame spitting image is no longer around
Hiya BT!
I think you summed things up very well here: They do say the best lies are based on the truth and when they have repeatedly insisted she was taken from her bed etc, and "they have taken her" this was certainly based on reality IMO.
Now whilst I can definitely agree Gordy would make a fantastic spitting image puppet and cannot agree on the rest. IMO he was approached by a schemer who got himself right to the top, that is what they were all about that night, and Gordy simply felt sorry for him, naturally and said he would do his best to help, unwise perhaps but if you had the wailing Gerry on the other end of the phone how would you have reacted, certainly at that stage they clearly just had to be given the benefit of the doubt. We have now read how Rachel Oldfield was immediately ringing her Chief Political Correspondent for the BBC friend, this just stinks of them trying to firmly embed an abduction by stranger no more than that, having Gordy on side was bound to be a tad helpful. If Gordy was on side would they still be getting the stick they are now or would he have made an announcement in the Commons all this speculation and nastiness about the McCanns just has to stop, they have suffered enough! Maybe he would even have got MI5 to put me down:-)))
slant any investigation to believe an abduction to have taken place from the off. It could also be a clever use of words because she may well know a group of adults did take her and thus feel she is telling the truth from her perspective.
Copying from other thread as think they are helpful to this issue, perverting the course of justice as they were obviously doing just like Rhys Jones killer's rotten mother, and showing no emotion, just like rotten psycho Foxy Knoxy.
hope4truth said...
Perverting the course of justice is a serious matter...
"The mother of Rhys Jones's killer has been warned she faces jail after admitting lying to police investigating the schoolboy's murder."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7892457.stm
It really is not worth lying for people is it...
Monday, 16 February 2009 22:35:00 o'clock GMT
viv said...
What a terrible woman Hope, I just cannot believe people could do this, if I had sat with one of my son's in a police interview and heard this I would have just broke down and sobbed to think my son could do such a terrible thing, when she gets 4 years *or thereabouts, I would say*, she will sorry the wicked cruel woman, prolonging the terrible misery for parents who lost their lovely little boy:
Mrs Mercer admitted being present in a police interview with her son when he claimed he did not own a bike which matched the description of the one officers were looking for.
She was later involved in the negotiations with an insurance company to replace her son's bike, but did not tell police.
She also admitted lying to police in a statement she made in September 2007 when she claimed her son only owned one bike and that she had no idea how long he owned it for.
Monday, 16 February 2009 23:19:00 o'clock GMT
viv said...
It also goes to show how wicked people think they are conning the police but over time, the police are merely building a case against them...who do they think they are!!
Monday, 16 February 2009 23:21:00 o'clock GMT
viv said...
Witnesses said Knox did not appear distressed and was cuddling Sollecito at the police station while waiting to be questioned.
"I found Amanda's behaviour very strange and I found it quite difficult to be around her," said Robyn Carmel Butterworth, a prosecution witness who was a friend of the victim.
"Everybody was upset and she didn't seem to show any emotions. We were all crying. I didn't see her crying."
The witness said Knox and Sollecito were fooling around as they waited to see police.
"I remember Amanda sticking her tongue out at Raffaele," the British witness said. "They were talking and joking, kissing and cuddling."
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Amy Frost, another witness who was also at the police station, said Knox "made faces," such as crossing her eyes and sticking her tongue out. She was "giggling" and kissing Sollecito, said Frost.
Why did Kate McCann say ‘they’ve taken her’ it’s very simple. As you know I believe Madeleine was already dead before the Mc’s went to dinner. However she died it would have been traumatic for both parents, add to this the fact they try to conceal what happened and stage an abduction. They would have been highly emotionally charged, nervous and desperate. Kate was chosen to raise the alarm imo because it looked less threatening if a woman does so. Kate has had to sit in the apartment going through how best to stage this horrendous event then has to sit for a further hour and a half at the tapis bar making small talk, continually wondering if anyone is detecting any thing odd about her behaviour and no doubt having a number of drinks for Dutch courage. At 10.00pm she leaves to return to the apartment to stage the finding and announce it. Well quite frankly it was a little too much for her and perhaps she had also a little too much to drink - quite simply she fluffed her lines. She was looking to Gerry for support when she makes “they’ve taken her” statement, who knew exactly what she was talking about, but alas she temporarily forgot this announcement was for a wider audience.
Kate couldn’t do any searching that night because she was physically, mentally and emotionally drained by the events leading up to raising the alarm. We are told by witnesses Kate couldn’t walk and couldn’t string a sentence together shortly after she raised the alarm which they note as unusual. What they were viewing imo was nervous exhaustion and her system shutting down due not to an abduction but the death of her daughter and the staging that followed. It amazes me she pulled it off with only fluffing a few lines.
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I think she messed her lines up as well the whole thing is sickening but hey they have to live with the lies and with perverting the course of justice being high in the news at the moment their friends must be feeling very ill at the moment as well...
All it takes is for one of them to crack or M3 to tell all (which looks like it is happening) and goodbye freedom for all those who have knowingly lied for them..
Phew, according to witnesses Gerry was at his jovial best at dinner, that must make him one heck of a psycho, particularly if Maddie was already dead. I think we will have to wait for the police to tell us, but they will, in the end!
I do agree though that Kate's described reaction is like her shutting down in deep shock and despair, she had already used up all her adrenaline and must have been in a terrible state.
We have a really good independent witness Ms Batista that she just sat on her bed, that is the truth!
Aha, another great blow for sound common sense from one of my favourite posters on 3 As, Weary, so are the Mucks getting any help from the government, you bet, go to jail, do not pass go, do not..(!) In short just as much help as any other child abusing money grabbers..but this investigation is costing the government a heck of a lot more than average, and has damaged relations with Portugal and that will not make them best pleased with the Mucks! Are the government bailing them out, well does it look like it! Keep running back to your lawyer in Portugal Gerry, that will not shut anyone up, you had it mate!
Weary wrote:
I spent more years at a university than you could shake a stick at, and I didn't meet people who became movers and shakers, or people whose relatives are movers and shakers. Maybe they were different. If they knew powerful people who were able to sweep everything under the carpet they wouldn't have been left with an irritating blowhard like Clarence, who came to be despised by the press, and the McCanns would have held Madeleine Day, never have been named arguidos, no DVD incriminating them would have been released, Murat would be behind bars, and Kate would be the head of a Centre for Missing and Exploited Children.
If Gordon Brown was asked why he championed the McCanns and he looked uncomfortable and said "Friends in common" it may just have been a politician's embarrassment at having tried to get some good PR for himself by aligning himself with people Britons adulated at first but later turned on. In some two years of the MF and 3A's, I don't remember anyone giving a clear indication of who these friends-in-common are. Brown was trying to avoid answering "Yes, why DID I try to hitch my wagon to these people who turned out to be pond scum? Because I made a stupid choice and backed the wrong horse." He's hardly likely to say "Well, at first they had my pity but later I got very, very suspicious" any more than any other celebrity who bailed on them has said that.
Instead of looking like the innocent parents of a child who was snatched, despite their sterling care of her, the McCanns have lost all but a lunatic fringe of their admirers and are a little more popular than the delusional narcissist who had eight babies a couple of weeks back. (She thought everybody would think she was a great mother too. It hasn't worked out as she planned.) When the PJ asked the McCanns and T7 to return to Portugal and they refused we heard all about it. Social Services made a visit to the McCanns shortly after they returned home, right in front of the press. Murat's arguido status was dropped and he has stopped being hounded, but the public like the McCanns less and less the more we know about them. Kate seems so uncomfortable in a world of people who don't admire her that we don't hear of her leaving the house often.
The case against them was shelved, not dismissed, and a DVD full of information that tends to make it clear that the McCanns lied and can't keep their stories straight was lobbed straight into the hands of the press. The McCanns had plans to make a bundle by suing everybody who looked at 'em funny, but they haven't been able to mount a successful in-court suit (and I suspect they tried very hard.) They were also going to make money off of a book, TV show, and movie (just like that nut job who had IVF to get her 14 kids) but they can't, because as long as the DVD is out there, they can't lie about what they did, how little they checked, and how sleazy they look. If they had really powerful friends they'd be sitting pretty, making even more money off Madeleine, and seen as Parents of the Decade. I don't think they really have powerful friends. They had well-wishers who latched onto them when they still looked like decent people whose child had been snatched from under their noses.
Following my earlier post I think Gerry, who imo was orchestrating the alleged abduction, didn’t do much searching either that night because his main priority was to be with his wife to ensure she didn’t crack and spill the beans. I think this is the most logical reason as they must have known not to search would look very odd.
Viv – witnesses say Gerry was very jovial at dinner, well imo he was just a more convincing actor than his wife. We know he compartmentalises so he was probably able to carry this part of the plan off by hamming it up. Nerves affect people in different ways.
Hi Wiz
I copy below extract of that really helpful stmt of Ms Batista a senior employee who the police interviewed several times, her evidence is vital to this case IMO.
As you say she paints a very clear picture of Gerry the action man going into the bedroom with the police and glibly inventing a quick lie as to why he tampered with an apparent major crime scene. He says he closed the windows and shutter again because the twins were sleeping in there. It just could not be much more bizarre really, could it? They immediately know Maddie has been abducted from that room and rather than leaving it completely untouched and removing the twins, they put the windows and shutters back down. Gerry McCann you are the worlds most pathetic liar!
Whilst he, Payne, OB, Rachel are all racing around putting things into place and ringing the press, Kate sits there on her bed, devastated, frozen. Now that could be because she killed Madeleine and Gerry is just putting everything right for her, there is no doubt about that, but I seriously have my doubts as to whether that is the reality. Did she have this fear, this premonition about going because she thought she may do that? I will continue to think she may be unfairly copping the flack for all of this, it is where I started out and I am still struggling to move from that position. Because I see two people and one I see in a much worse light than another. She is ill, distraught and distressed, him never!
When she came close to the elements of the GNR she found that behind her was
Gerry, Madeleine's father, accompanied by another man whose identity she doesn't remember. Then Geny kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand. Then Gerry stand up and accompanied her (the witness) and the other man in the car of the GNR to the apartment A5. SO IT WOULD APPEAR GERRY PUT ON A FIT OF HISTRIONICS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GNR
She entered the apartment and asked for the passports of all elements of the family, and also photographs of the missing girl. She went with Gerry to the GNR car to hand over the requested documents. SO IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH PHOTOGRAPHS OF MADDIE WERE IMMEDIATELY HANDED OVER, HOW COME HE HAD THOSE?
She mentions she did this, as well as other tasks, at the request of the GNR Commandant, because she could translate their questions and the missing girl's family's answers.
She remembers Gerry gave the Commandant of several photographs of the missing girl. They were postcard-like pictures, taking into account their size and shape and seemed all the same to her.
She understood also that since the very beginning either Gerry or the others insisted on stating that Madeleine had been snatched, all using the word "abducted" instead of missing, and all showing much interest in informing the press of the situation.
She also recalls entering in the room where Madeleine should be sleeping and remembers now that the door was closed. The room was dark. The blinds were down, some light entering through their holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms.
Gerry said that when he discovered the disappearance of Madeleine he noticed that the window and the blinds were open and the curtains fluttering.
She recalls that the beds which were in the middle of the room and used by the babies
were aligned and therefore found it strange that someone had taken Madeleine from the bed where she would be sleeping and had gone to the window because there was no space to pass.
She opened the wardrobes of that room in order to confirm that Madeleine wasn't eventually hiding there.
Then everyone left the room and someone shut the door. She remained for some time in the living room, near the GNR elements, Gerry and other elements of the group
who got in and out and spoke on their cellular phones.
She observed that none of the elements of the group including the father and mother of the child was concerned with looking for her.
The mother was sitting on the bed of her room, the father was with her (the witness) and the elements of the GNR, and other elements of the group got in and out
and spoke on the phone, anxious, in her opinion, to tell the press what happened.
She thought that the child's mother was devastated, the father was worried and
also asked to notify the press and to get dogs to search.
About the others she only remembers that Fiona and her husband, Payne, were hysterical with the situation.
At a certain time, after the arrival of the PJ elements, the parents removed the twins from the beds in which they were still sleeping and took them to the first floor flat.
At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets (CUDDLECATS??) drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat. Only the mattresses remained.
She wanted to mention that around 3h00 Madeleine's parents asked for a priest to be present. They didn't explain why they wanted a priest but she (the witness) was amazed, because there were no indications that the little girl was dead and only in these circumstances is usually asked the presence of a priest. ONE CAN SERIOUSLY UNDERSTAND GONCALO AMARAL'S THINKING HERE!
Well Viv – Gerry says he closed the window in the children’s room – what was he wearing gloves- the only finger prints found on that window were Kate’s.
‘Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand.’
A good example of hamming it up imo.
Well exactly Wiz, he did not close the window and shutter because they were never open!
Hi Wiz
Kate is a very good suspect as they say, there is no doubt about that! But she was covered in bruises and Gerry and Philomena were immediately pointing the finger at her and saying how unbalance she is. I think she is unbalanced because she is married to him! I am always going to feel the need to defend her to an extent, I just cannot help that because I see very clearly what she is married to.
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Viv – I think Gerry has proved his is a control freak – that of course may only be the half of it.
sex offenders are invariably terrible control freaks..I think he destroys an awful lot of things including what was formerly a bright bubbly intelligent woman, jmo..
Kate repeatedly sobbing according to Mrs Fenn "we have let her down" .. guilt, despair, remorse.
What we have never seen from Gerry McCann is anything the least bit normal, just like that!
xx
Viv – I think you could be right. It wouldn’t surprise me if Kate was not doing as she was told, hence the bruises. High stakes and the control freak loses control.
Wiz
One of the most classic injuries on domestic violence victims are grab marks to the arms, which Kate most clearly had.
The control freak is grabbing hold of the woman and telling her in no uncertain terms exactly what she must think, say and do. I think this case is so terrible she knows she will go down for a long time as well for failure to protect Maddie from serious harm. She is in an agonising situation IMO.
The Fund, Gerry's baby, and what matters most of all to a control freak, wealth, fame, fortune.
xx
I would think, and of course I’m only speculating, that the hold he has over Kate is the twins. If she doesn’t keep to the script she would never have the care of the twins again. A very strong argument to a mother who has just lost one child and a fear that would certainly make her toe the line.
Hiya Wiz
Well obviously yes if she does not keep her mouth shut she loses the twins as well and I am sure he would not hesitate to point that out, him being such a nice chap. Prison and losing the twins, he has got her where he wants her but if she was really smart she would take him on because the prison he has her in is even worse and there is no end of term!
xx
Please see link to this thread last year, McCanns being investigated in respect of two scenarios involving both kidnapping and homicide and the fact the Times wrote a report suggesting they were only being investigated for neglect. Clarence Mitchell glibly announced he was pleased abduction was being looked at, what he forgot to mention is abduction the McCanns themselves were involved in! When insisting on only looking at the death in the apt scenario people seem to have overlooked this!
http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/2008/06/kidnapping-murder-concealment-of-corpse.html
A smart move for Kate would be to get her own lawyer discreetly and tell all, and mitigate circumstances by also being frank about their relationship if such bruising and psychological bullying is/was taking place. He is unlikely to woe a jury with his complete lack of charm and rather sinister air.
An interesting comment from Jon Clements Mirror crime reporter.
Who was listening to Kate and Gerry McCann ?
BY JON CLEMENTS ON FEB 18, 09 02:55 PM IN DAILY MIRROR
A few days ago I received an interesting letter from Leicestershire police about the Madeleine McCann investigation.
I had asked them, in July, if they had got any warrants (under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act) to use surveillance powers - such as phone tapping and email interception on behalf of the Portuguese police.
The force initially stalled saying it needed to "consult other Agencies" before replying.
After a six month delay, Leicestershire has now claimed it is exempt from Freedom of Information laws in this case due to "national security".
I've put in dozens of FoI requests to police forces over the years, some you get and some you don't but "national security" is a new one on me.
To make matters even murkier, Leicestershire claimed a second exemption because the information I requested could relate to "the Security bodies".
A quick look at the FoI Act reveals "Security bodies" are MI5, MI6, GCHQ (pictured above), special forces (such as the SAS) and the Serious Organised Crime Agency.
Hmm.
Despite claiming these exemptions, Leicestershire seem at pains to neither confirm nor deny they hold any information relevant to my request anyway.
Check out (slowly I suggest) the tortuous conclusion to the three page letter explaining their stance.
"It is our decision that the Leicestershire Constabulary must maintain a position of neither confirming nor denying that any relevant information is held and that this response, which neither confirms nor denies that information is held, should not be taken as conclusive evidence that the information you have requested exists or does not exist".
Thanks, but I think that is a rather long-winded way of saying Foxtrot Oscar.
However, it does beg the question just who was bugging the McCanns after they returned from Praia da Luz ? And what has the answer got to do with national security ?
Link
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/anything-you-say/2009/02/who-was-listening-to-kate-and.html
Hiya BT
If Kate wants to grasp the nettle I get the feeling she may not have too much longer to think about that. She would be very wise to do so IMO and greatly mitigate any penalty, with a really good QC of course!
Wizard
Well it might be very quiet on here but what a fantastic piece of news and thank you so much for bringing it to me but I only just got back home.
I think it just once again confirms everything I have been trying to say but many people did not want to believe me. Is it so bad to actually believe Maddie may be alive, I do not think so.
Gerry recently stated that finally he wanted to co-operate with the authorities in the search for Maddie, I am convinced that search is on, in earnest and the McCanns, yes I am going to say it again, are in big, big trouble.
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!
XXXX
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