As he did from the very outset, Gerry McCann reads from a carefully prepared script. Strange the way this couple never seemed to be capable of just speaking to reporters spontaneously...... if you had nothing to hide you would not need to prepare a script, particularly if you happen to be Gerry McCann who never appears to be short of something to say! When did we ever hear Maddie, we really love, we want you back, we are out in our hire car every day looking for you. Oh but they never bothered to hire a car until 25 days later did they? Instead we get the formal " our beautiful daughter Madeleine" sometimes mentioned as a clear afterthought, having pointed out how much he and Kate are suffering and how they want to get back to normal. I am sorry to say this but calling her their beautiful princess etc so many times, did seem very much like marketing her to me. All children are beautiful but not necessarily in a physical way, materiality, putting on a show...clearly very important issues to Team McCann. No warmth, no love, no empathy, certainly no spontaneity. Everything is contrived, carefully planned for manipulative and self-serving reasons and they and their sickening investigators have never been serving Madeleine.
I see former employee of Kate and Gerry McCann Justine McGuiness offers the latest piece of regular Sunday spin in the Daily Mail which again seems to be focussing on let's feel sorry for Kate, where quite bizarrely at the end of this sprawling and quite detailed piece about the McCanns she calls for the media attention to end!
Interestingly she talks about Kruger and says his investigation went cold, like the search ended right there and there was nowhere else to look. It did, didnt it, right on the beach..
She points out that she was interviewed by Gerry McCann for her post in June 2007. At no point does she seek to explain in this latest article why she so suddenly stepped down, immediately they were made arguidos. She does however, seek to point out on the one hand, how Kate continued to put her children in the creche every single day, but on the other, what a lovely mum she is....... how she dotes on her children. Justine confesses she is not a mum herself, that is good then, we can forgive her for making such a bizarre observation.
Justine McGuinness has a google blog herself, no mention of the McCanns and virtually no posters (!), but she does have a link to quotations which immediately took me to this one placed on her blog funnily enough on 26/4/08 :
Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true.
Niels Bohr, to a young physicist Danish physicist (1885 - 1962)
Think about it, Justine... or did you already~!
I thought it would be helpful to look at an article also in the Daily Mail about Justine but way back in September 2007, this, I think, tells it a bit more like it was...(and still is)"political campaign masterminded by public relations expert".
WE do not think you are much of an expert, Justine. There is no place for spin doctoring when the police are investigating very serious criminal offences where the parents are implicated in the death and disappearance of their own little girl.
I prefer the Police Officer's account, who investigated this couple, Goncalo Amaral.. they accidentally killed her and then they dumped her body in the sea. Then Gerry McCann challenged "well find the body and prove we killed her". I would say, knowing full well the impossibility of doing so.
Another police officer took over this case in October 2007, a serious and very senior man, Dr Paulo Rebelo. He undertook a thorough review as you would imagine he would to completely get to grips with a complex case and satisfy himself all options had been properly researched.
Having done that, 7 months later, he still maintains the McCanns arguido status and this was approved by a Portuguese Judge on 3 January. No doubt it is just about to be approved again. This is the clearest vindication of Goncalo Amaral that their could be. Of course the Portuguese police have to continue to cope with the frustrating delays, it would seem they now have phone, bank and credit card details for the McCanns and some of their friends to pin down their whereabouts and the nature of purchases at vital time, interestingly before the disappearance, as well as after, but records for three of their friends are still not to hand, could they be O'Brien, Payne and Tanner by any chance!
Portugal would not maintain this couple as suspects with all the heartache that would bring if they did not have clear evidence that this a status they richly deserve. They need the records above, to fit the final pieces of the jigsaw together and be certain they have all the pieces in the right place.
Neither would we, the UK authorities, allocate a Detective Superintendent and a team of 30 officers to continue to investigate the McCanns conduct here in the UK unless there was a very powerful reason for doing so, there is and it is an investigation the McCanns consistently refuse to co-operate in, claiming it will incriminate them, yes of course it will! Clearly not the actions of innocent parents who genuinely hold out hope their daughter may still be alive.
I recall the huge amount of money Justine McGuinness was paid from the Find Maddie Fund after her rather brief stint as an employee of Kate and Gerry McCann. I wonder how much they paid for this piece in the Daily Mail, I am not thinking she would have done it for nothing..
Politics and the investigation and prosecution of very serious offenders should always be kept separate and apart. The horrible thing about this case, has always been Gerry McCanns wish to politicise his daughter's disappearance, for his own very sinister motives. In UK law we are supposed to have very separate powers under our unwritten constitution that together form the State. They are the legislature/politicians in the House of Commons; The Executive/PM/Cabinet and finally the Judiciary and the operation of law. One should definitely not interfere with the other. Are the McCanns even seeking to re-write our Constitution so that when they have to face the criminal law they can seek to use political tools such as spin doctors to get them out of trouble? Has Gordon Brown failed to get a grip on this situation, like so many others? I am afraid even I am turning against him, and I have always sought to be a staunch defender! If the independence of the judiciary and the rule of law are not seen to prevail under Gordon Brown I do not think he deserves much support. Criminals being investigated under the criminal law, should have exactly the same rights as any other criminal, the rights enshrined in the criminal law itself encompassing human rights law, there is no right to political interference in that process which Gerry McCann was demanding from the very outset.
Viv x
Lib Dem hopeful behind McCanns' campaignLast updated at 23:56pm on 8th September 2007
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PR expert Justine McGuinness: behind the McCanns campaign
The campaign by the McCanns to find their daughter has been masterminded during the past two months by public relations expert Justine McGuinness.
The 37-year-old former Lib Dem parliamentary candidate, who finished second to Conservative MP Oliver Letwin in the race for the West Dorset seat in the 2005 General Election, was selected by the McCanns via a headhunter.
She was chosen for the position specifically because of her background in politics and is paid a 'notional' salary from funds raised by the campaign.
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I know how Kate feels - it happened to me when my daughter vanished
Since taking up the post she has acted as the McCanns' personal spokeswoman and organised events to keep the hunt for Madeleine in the public eye.
These have included a succession of interviews and photocalls with the couple, and Gerry McCann's visit to Washington DC in July on a fact-finding mission about the latest techniques for tracking missing children.
But she has been criticised for adding to the sense that the campaign has become an overly slick, and cynical, PR operation.
Recently, she reportedly had to be dissuaded from arranging a photocall for Kate McCann at a Portuguese orphanage.
Prior to McGuinness's arrival in Praia da Luz, the McCanns' media handling was run, in an unprecedented move, by a team from the British Government.
To help the family cope with the enormous level of interest, first Sheree Dodd, a former Daily Mirror journalist, was dispatched to Portugal by the Foreign Office.
Then Clarence Mitchell, an ex-BBC news presenter now working as a senior government spin doctor, became the voice of the McCanns.
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Interesting article about how key witnesses got silenced..by Kate and Gerry McCann x
Why aren't the McCanns more keen for their friends to speak out on their behalf?
By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE 8th September 2007
They are the key witnesses to Madeleine's disappearance - the friends of Kate and Gerry McCann who could help unlock the mystery of what happened that fateful night.
But despite their knowledge they have strangely said virtually nothing in four months.
As the McCanns embarked on a global publicity campaign to find their daughter, the group of friends closest to the couple - and who were dining with them on May 3 when Madeleine vanished - were reluctant to talk.
That was only too evident when there was a report that a female member of the close-knit group might have seen Madeleine being carried away from the family's holiday apartment.
It was said the witness had become racked with guilt because, thinking the toddler was the man's own child, she had made no attempt to stop him.
She reported her sighting to Portuguese detectives but, despite the massive media campaign, refused to talk publicly about what she had seen...but then she went on Panorama!
Anxious to confirm the report at the time, The Mail on Sunday asked one of the McCanns' friends, Dr Fiona Payne, for an interview.
Initially she strongly indicated that she was prepared to talk to this newspaper but changed her mind when the McCanns inexplicably advised her against it.
Dr Payne and her husband David, a senior research fellow at Leicester University, and Mrs Payne's mother Dianne Webster had been dining with the McCanns at the tapas bar near their apartment when Madeleine vanished.
The Paynes have two children, but were said to be the only ones in the group using a baby monitor that night.
They were among those who stayed on in the Algarve to support the McCanns for several weeks after Madeleine's disappearance.
Dr Payne has made no ontherecord comments apart from saying people should not attach "any significance" to claims against the McCanns being reported in the Portuguese press.
Dr Russell O'Brien, who also dined with the McCanns that night, has only said that suggestions that Kate and Gerry had been involved were "completely untrue and extremely hurtful".
He is understood to have left the table some time after 9pm to attend to his own daughter, who had become ill with vomiting.
Another member of the McCanns' party, recruitment consultant Rachael Oldfield, has supported the couple and also told people to ignore what they read in Portuguese newspapers.
In the first week of the investigation, a doctor at whose Midlands surgery Kate McCann worked as a part-time locum told The Mail on Sunday he wanted to offer £100,000 for information leading to Madeleine's safe return.
The wealthy GP, who is also a property developer, asked to remain anonymous. He became emotional as he told our reporter that Madeleine's disappearance had reminded him of when his brother's daughter had once gone missing for 20 minutes.
But later he oddly became reluctant to discuss the matter and became hostile towards approaches from this newspaper.
The doctor's wife expressed fears that if his identity was revealed, his wealth might encourage somebody to take their three young daughters hostage for ransom.
She claimed her husband had to take a week off work because his surgery had been besieged by calls from the media.
Yesterday, the doctor and his wife refused to comment on the latest developments in the case.
Viv this is a great piece as it reminds us all that from the start they spoke having prepared scripts. Mindblowing!! They then when all the world was watching employed some bit part lady who was described as a PR expert. In other words they went for somebody they knew wanted them for her own publicity and who would not ask challenging probing questions.
So they didn't go to a real PR expert they went to a wannabee PR expert. Why? Not hard to work out.
A timely reminder Viv
Morning Bath
What I find amazing is that they continue to read from scripts...
If we are to belive that they were told not to show any emotion at the begining of this (and I cant see how I would stop myself from being an emotional wreck in their shoes) sureley now nearly a year later with no sighting of her and M3 who promised to have her home for Christmas clueless about where she is they would be apealing to her directly if she was still alive?
Asking the scum that ocupy the discusing sites that abuse children daily to come forward there is a huge reward to be had no questions asked (if they were not involved in her abduction they have nothing to fear) but nothing?
They believe she is still alive yet they never speak to her or about her?
Poor child...
xxx
Viv,
when I was reading the "pseudo" article some statements have caught my attentio which I would like to share here with you all, but I also think she hasn't written this for free unless it was also written by the same person who wrote last week's article. Same style, same arguments. It sounds like Rosie...
This "piece of writing" is full of contradictions and cheap arguments.
"Sunshine streamed through the open window and the sound of children playing outside filled the room".
Children playing happily outside...a nice and not dangerous athmosphere.
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"Almost every morning she and Gerry would come to see me, usually armed with croissants which they bought in Baptista's, the village store, after dropping off their then two-year-old twins Amelie and Sean at kids' club".
The twins continued to be dropt in the club. So, they weren't afraid and not paranoid about an abduction...
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"Instead I'd ask her to sit down and let her know that I was making tea. We always drank tea, endlessly, it seemed".
Not wine or other alcoholic drinks as before...
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"If they were physically apart they would be on the phone, all the time, and not just because of their extraordinary situation – I imagine they were always like that".
So we are wanted to believe Kate was always by her husband. he didn't play tennis and has always helped her with the children...
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"When the balloon launch was over, I watched as Portuguese women touched and hugged Kate, offering their support and telling her to have courage. It was deeply moving".
Indeed.. no reason to say they haven't had support when people were fooled ....
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"She also pointed out the home of Robert Murat, a suspect in the case, and the church that provided so much support to her".
Indeed two crucial places...
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"Meal times were always a family affair. At supper, it occurred to me just how ordinary this scene would have appeared to an outsider. A normal family, passing the salad around the table and laughing with their children".
Pity that it wasn't always like that...
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"Once, I remember Gerry's sister Trish saying to Kate with a smile: "Don't you think it's time Cuddle Cat had a bath?~" And on about Day 71 she finally did, a fact not lost on the photographers".
How precise about the day..and the excuse to have been washed...
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"They were interested in my voluntary work with the Liberal Democrats ..Gerry, a doctor, on hearing the description of the burns one of the suspects suffered when his Jeep struck the terminal and burst into flames, saying straight away that the man would not live. It turned out he was right".
As if didn't know their interests/connections on politics and voluntary causes.. and also about Gerry's diagnosis skills.
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"She then got the twins showered and dressed".
If he Gerry was always there, why hadn't he also helped ?
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"The twins were a great distraction. They helped give Kate the will to get out of bed each morning".
That's why they spent so much time in the créche...
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"In the event, the search sadly wasn't successful, of course".
Of course????
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"And as always their every move was shadowed by reporters and photographers. If they had dumped Madeleine's body, someone surely would have witnessed something".
And the 2 hour gap?
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"The allegations would come later. Up until that point, at least, the couple's relationship with the police was good".
Of course!
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"The relationship, which had been characterised by its informality (one weekend Kate and Gerry even went to a barbecue at the home of one of the officers) cooled significantly in mid August".
What a surprise!
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"The meetings all but ended. And the phone calls, once unfailingly cordial, suddenly seemed "aggressive and much less frequent.
"When the police did ring, I think the detectives did little to disguise their suspicions".
No comment here!
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"To the British Press I described the couple's relationship with the police during this period as having become more "formal". In truth, it had become downright hostile".
This is what a PR really does...thanks for remembering us the role words and sentences play
in the spin ...
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"And I got the distinct impression that the police had offered her a deal, or put considerable pressure on her to admit that she harmed Madeleine.
Amazingly, I was also given the impression that her lawyer initially seemed to think she should take the deal and admit she harmed her daughter".
Justifying auntie Phil...
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"After all, this is a woman with a 'black and white' understanding of the truth".
That's why she fully cooperated with the PJ...
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"I said I could take her there or straight to the villa. She wanted to see her children immediately. That was typical of her. Her family was the most important thing in her life".
Can you stomach this?
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"While no one is perfect, I simply could not believe that the woman next to me had harmed Madeleine. And I did not believe, as was being suggested, that Gerry masterminded some kind of cover-up.
At the time, I described the allegations publicly as ludicrous. Nothing has happened to change that view. Had I been in any doubt I would have left the campaign immediately and gone to the British police".
These people must think the world is inhabited by fools...
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"But I never understood why they did not take the children with them for supper at the tapas bar on the evening Madeleine disappeared".
???
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"In her mind it would represent an admission, symbolically perhaps, that she had given up hope, that it was the end. In the end, she did agree – only for the sake of the twins – that they would leave Portugal in early September, when the lease on the villa ended".
No, they returned in the first week of September...
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"One year after Madeleine's disappearance, I hope for Kate, Gerry and the sake of their two remaining children the media interest now ends".
Before they are defeated by it....
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"I hope Madeleine is found, but I fear that will never happen."
And why? So let's give the money of the fund to REAL Children who need it.
Hope, Bath,
good morning!
I really can't understand that,too.
Do they really think people welcome rubbish like this? At least, not any more.
People are interested in things debated and judged in court.
Enough is enough.
Gina,
I'm also tired of this case.
Now they are also going to write a book, too.Well, if people can't stand watching that ITV doco, I doubt its success.
I think by this time the best and right thing to do would be to boycott everything that is not official.
I have here a written statement prepared for me by my spin penguin, a Mr Opus "The Flippers Are Off" Thepenguin:-
"It wasn't me, guv, honest. Oo, look over there! Let's have your dosh. Thank you very much."
Any further enquiries can be addressed by sending an SAE containing a large cheque to Coutts Bank, (Offshore Division).
No other interviews will be given due to fear and greed...er, arguido status.
(Unless they guarantee totally biased reporting, dancing girls, and beatification rights).
Good morning Opus,
I wonder if you could get your human companion to show you the article in the Mail on Sunday in which David Blunkett's new squeeze claims to have picked up one of your distant cousins at Boulders for Dave to cop a feel. Perhaps you could release a statement which explains that as a GP, she should have the intelligence to know that this is both illegal and extremely irresponsible. Oh, hang on - I've just remembered that not all GPs can make these seemingly simple deductions so don't bother.
Good morning all,
Marga 9.48pm,
Thanks for posting that article and I agree with your comments.
"But I never understood why they did not take the children with them for supper at the tapas bar on the evening Madeleine disappeared".
I would ask her why just the evening M disappeared, did she understand the other nights that all 3 children were left. Strange, IMHO. Also if she never understood this how can she believe 100% they are innocent of anything.
Librarising your post of 23.42pm,
well said.
With regard to it being important that we beleive this is an abduction. IMHO they want us to believe it takes the responsibilty/culpability away from them and the blame and accountability lies elsewhere. Just as well not all Joe Public are gullible.
BBFN, have a lovely day everyone.
Docmac,
With regard to your extremely disturbing story in today's excellent paper of record The Mail on Sunday (free Gerry and Kate plate with every £10,000), Opus the Spin Penguin has released the following statement:-
"It is a well-established fact that in this modern age, where air travel and organized crime are rife, repulsive penguinfeeliacs can get anywhere...South Africa, the London Zoo, Praia da Zoo...
It is no defence to claim you can guarantee a new passport within 24 hours for one or any number of penguins and their associates because of your position in government. (How much did you say?? Is a plain brown envelope OK?)
And you would do well to ponder the ancient Turkish proverb:-
“He who sleeps with a blind man will wake up cross-eyed".
Not to mention Samuel Butler:-
“A blind man knows he cannot see, and is glad to be led, though it be by a dog".
Donations in this large plastic cannister, if you would...
Morning all,i really dont know what happened to madeleine, as i posted at the end of yesterdays article my reason for not believeing a "stranger abduction", i really think it would be in the mc canns best interest to return to portugal and contribute a time line that will make a reconstruction possible. I dont know whta the legal aspects of this or its ramifications would be but surely if they and their friends have nothing to hide then it is in everyones best intrests, firstly madeleines to do this. Peoples memories may be jogged even after this length of time.
LGC, lol!
I thought the proverb was "He who sleeps with a blind man has a very tidy home and is good with colours."
The papers full of McCann related stories today. The press appear to believe their spin no matter what is thrown at them. If a sympathetic ear is needed Sky news can be relied upon and ITV, GMTV and more recently BBC. Its a wonderful life. Everything can be put into context in the papers or in PR. One would have to think what is all the fuss about, such a wonderful family caring and loving. It just goes round and round why should anybody care anymore and maybe we should just accept that this is just a massive soap opera and not real life. The PJ, the public should just leave them to it and not give them any more attention.
Having read the article in Mail on Sunday, and essentially agreeing with Marga, the one additional thing I found very interesting was Justine's admission that Gerry interviewed her in June for the job of Press Spokesperson.
Apparently Gerry flew to London personally in June to interview her for the job.
Now, considering it was just a few short weeks since Madeline had vanished, how did Gerry know that
a) the fund after a handfull of weeks would keep growing and be able to afford someone as highly paid as Posh's ex PR guru?
b) that Madeline was going to be gone long enough to warrant employing a full time person in the first place?
c) Why did he feel the need to fly to London to find someone?
Justine, once again you have opened up an ever bigger can of worms, congratulations!
Thank you for letting us all know about Gerry's initial itinerary requirements....
How long exactly was he distraught with grief?
Joe,
The PJ, the public should just leave them to it and not give them any more attention.
Sunday, 27 April 2008 12:27:00 o'clock BST
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EXACTLY!
Stella,
they are becoming more ridiculous and stupid as time goes by.. but do they really think people can believe them???
Joe, that is exactly what the PJ should do if Madeleine wasn't the victim. The PJ cannot stop persuing this case because the McCanns are annoying. And threats, spin, PR exercises and tantrums will not stoping brave people from telling it like it is. And that is why they are scared. I bet they will be wearing brown a lot more from now on.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/mystery-remains-why-was-she-left-alone-1360358.html.......From an Irish paper today , written by an Irish journalist.
Marga
After their planned shenanigan this Wednesday, the number of people doubting them will only increase. The more information you give people, the more people can see through the spin. They never worked that one out in the early days, you are right they are very stupid....
Claudia
They will need to wear brown ;-)
Let's hope they are aware of all the poop and scoop areas and have enough bags with them....lol
Worth reading:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/mystery-remains-why-was-she-left-alone-1360358.html
Stella, they sure will! :-)
Sorry,
Haven't seen your post , Isis!!
Hi, Cláudia!
A balanced article at last!
Sunday April 27 2008
It Is almost a year since Madeleine McCann disappeared without trace from her family's apartment in the small seaside Portuguese town of Praia da Luz.
This weekend the holiday village is quiet and peaceful. The summer has arrived with warm winds and cloudless skies. The sunshine attracts visiting families and young Portuguese teenagers to the famously golden sandy beach. On the surface, things are back to normal; business as usual. However, just the mention of the name "Madeleine" leads to pursed lips, stiffened shoulders and attitudes of angry frustration from the locals.
This week the town is waiting nervously amid rumours that the Portuguese police plan to stage a re-enaction of the events of that night. The McCanns have spoken about their reservations at joining such an endeavour, natural enough for them under the circumstances as they are still official suspects in the case.
The locals, too, are undecided about the merit of such an undertaking. One tells me that the media circus which will inevitably follow such an event will drive away business. others admit that until there is some sort of resolution to the case, their small town will remain a place to be avoided by many holidaying families.
Many are suspicious of journalists and, though ready to chat, reluctant to give their names or anything else which can identify them.
Kelly's Irish Bar, three minutes' walk from the Mark Warner Complex where the McCanns stayed, is -- allegedly -- one of the places visited by Gerry and Kate McCann during their brief stay on the peninsula.
The manager, Mary, is a friendly native of Donegal who has lived in Portugal for the past 20 years. She describes how badly affected the town -- which relies on tourism -- was by Madeleine's disappearance.
"People just packed up and left. They cancelled their holidays and they will never come back. This was always considered to be a very, very safe place for children. I used to let my own boy -- now eight -- walk from here down the road to where his father worked at Chaplin's restaurant. Now, I'm terrified of letting him go anywhere on his own.
"Because there has been no conclusion, because nobody really knows what happened to Madeleine, people will continue to fear for their children. It's a dreadful situation for the town." Mary shares the incomprehension of the locals at the child-minding arrangements that the McCanns and their friends had in place.
"I bring my son everywhere," she tells me. "They could have brought their children with them to Chaplin's or wherever else they wanted to go. Or, even if they didn't want to use the complex's babysitting service, why on earth didn't they just do what you or I would do? Which is take turns minding them.
"People here just don't understand. It's a complete mystery to us."
Recently, details emerged that Madeleine had "scolded her parents" for leaving her and her siblings alone the night before she was abducted.
According to the TV station Telechino, the Portuguese police had taken a statement from Kate McCann soon after the kidnapping where she reportedly said that on the morning of May 3, Madeleine had asked, "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"
Kate McCann reportedly added: "Gerry and I agreed to keep a closer watch over the children."
The Portuguese locals believe that "keeping a closer watch over the children" meant that the McCanns and their friends stayed within the bounds of the complex, checking intermittently on the children -- one of whom (not a McCann) was ill -- when they met later that night, rather than heading to restaurants or bars outside.
Not just here in Luz, but everywhere, that news of the details of that night has travelled. There has been criticism of the McCanns for leaving three small children alone in a strange apartment while they socialised with friends.
"In Portugal, we absolutely adore children," said another local. "We just cannot get our heads around the fact that these small babies were on their own in a town where children are always welcome, no matter what time of night or day."
I tell her that in a documentary due to be screened this week on ITV, Kate McCann is understood to explain that they would have used a baby-listening service had one been available, but because there wasn't they decided instead to leave the children alone and make regular checks on them.
"There was a babysitting facility and an evening creche available, why didn't they use that," she asks.
I have no answer for her, being totally unable to comprehend the McCanns' actions with regard to the welfare of their children.
Some of the locals I spoke to, despite feeling frustrated with the actions of the McCanns, and the unwelcome media attention on their town, still felt sympathy with them for the terrible tragedy which had occurred.
Others are still angry at the way they feel the McCanns manipulated the media and demonised the Portuguese police and, by extension, the Portuguese people.
The collateral damage is everywhere. One Portuguese woman I meet, Mieke, is a close friend of Robert Murat, a man who remains a suspect in the case.
What she and Murat's other friends find very upsetting is the treatment meted out to Robert, whom -- they claim -- was initially asked by the Portuguese police to help them with the case.
"Robert is one of the most caring men I know," Mieke says. "His life has been ruined all because of a chance comment by a journalist. He has been treated like a criminal by the police. His business has been destroyed.
"In his job he would have had many English families as clients. What family would deal with a man who is officially suspected of kidnapping -- or worse -- a child of one of their compatriots?"
Mieke tells me that Murat has now decided to sue the Portuguese government as well as all the media outlets which ran stories against him.
"And I think he's right to do so. Unless they find Madeleine -- either dead or alive -- Robert's name will never be cleared, and there was never a shred of evidence against him in the first place."
One could also argue that both Gerry and Kate McCann -- official suspects who were subjected to intense interrogation -- are in a similar situation. And they also have the loss of a daughter to deal with.
Such a view gets little sympathy from Mieke and her friends.
They do not understand why the McCanns have not been punished for what they see as gross neglect of their children: "If you or I left a child repeatedly alone, social services would be called in."
Later that evening, I watch a fireworks display in the nearby town of Lagos. Despite the late hour -- it is past midnight -- the square is filled with young, excited children enjoying the festivities with their parents.
To the Portuguese people, the fact that the McCanns repeatedly left their much-loved Madeleine alone -- while they socialised with friends -- is just as much a mystery to them as her later disappearance.
Sunday, 27 April 2008 12:56:06 o'clock BST
Stella
It is just not normal is it???
Your last post is exactly what I am thinking.
Milly Dowler was missing for a long time before sadly she was found Murdred and her parents apealed for her the same with every other child that goes missing.
I cant even begin to think how I would feel if either of my children were missing but flying back to England to organise an interview (and did he interview more than one person) would not even enter my head. When ever I interview people it is a time consuming and dificult thing to do I cant imagine having to do so when my child was missing?
And how would he pay them??? She was not useful in finding Madeleine she seemed to speak for them waste of money...
xxx
Marga, i hadnt seen that you hadnt seen my post !!!! Dont think that clarrie has any influence over the press here!! He will be in the super spin cycle if he reads this !!
Hello, Marga! :-)
Any thinking being, no matter his/her opinions regarding the McCanns (innocent or guilty) know that at least they are selfish, irresponsible, neglectful, crappy parents.
Isis,
:-)
I'm glad to read an article which deals with the both sides of parts involved.
That pseudo article from the Mail must have been written by rosaphil.
If you reas what she says about PT and the PJ in HOF , you will need a vomit bowl by you.
Only hope someone is monitoring what is being said.
Have all a nice Sunday!
Cláudia,
you are completely right.
Rest in peace little Madeleine , xo xo
Only hope PT brings them to court.
Bye!
Hope
Exactly. What experience in Gerry's fairly short medical career gave him the "expertise" in recruiting someone like Justine McGuiness??
I would be interested to know if this meeting was after they got the hire car and if Gerry flew to London on a private jet?? People flying on private jets invariably do not get a thorough enough body search, if you ask me .....
Turning a bad situation into a profitable enterprise is all that concerned GM it looks like as he sought to get a PR person in June 2007. It looks very cynical. I would not be surprised if its all covered under the UK Official Secrets Act. The next thing will be who is Madeline was it someone we knew?
Hope , your 9.28 post says it all, very apt.
'...They believe she is still alive yet they never speak to her or about her?'
Any psychologist (including my wife for free!!) will tell you why.
Have just read the '..don't you think it's time cuddle cat had a bath' supposedly from Gerry's sister. I am falling around the floor in hysterics here.This McGuiness article is unbelieveable and shameless.
Hope
Another thing, if Kate was so fragile in June, why did Gerry think it was perfectly normal to fly to London and leave her behind. A very silly question really, they thought it was o.k. to leave 3 babies on their own, so why should he care what state of mind his wife was in.
Was Kate's input on recruiting Jusine not needed, I guess not...
See you later, Marga!
xxxx
Who has the foresight to recruit a PR person if one expects a missing child to be found at any minute,dead or alive?
Unless of course if one knew she was never going to be found. A PR person would be vital then to block all questions, hide behind and spin out the developing scenario week by week, as the script is written. Such as it has played out to date.
Hi
I think that the Mccanns have shown from the outset which way this case would go, from the hiring of Justine Mcguiness to be their Pr spokesperson to the subsequent hiring of Clarrie ex Civil Servant and still with considerable Government contacts, then we have Sheree Dood sent out as special envoy who evidently raised concerns as to the level of Government support these people should be receiving as she felt they were not cooerating fully with the Portuguese police. Her concerns were not taken on board and she was at a later date removed from her position. This excessive amount of Government intervention in this case have clearly affected the outcome. The recent case of Shannon has shown how cases can proceed without Government interference , in the matter of weeks they have charged people with her abduction and perverting the cause of justice.
I believe after months of observing events in this case there will be no charges, and this is entirely due to the interference which has occurred in this case since day one and is still happening,as is proven, in the fact that the Police do still a year on still not have the items they have requested from 3 of the Tapasgroup, their bank statements, phone records.Therefore they are unable to conclude anything without these items. I really hope that I'm wrong in my opinion there will be no charges, but that is the way it looks to me......Lizzy
Joe
This is exactly why so many of us will keep asking questions, will keep annoying them by not going away quietly and will keep on going until the truth finally comes out. All we are interested in is justice for Madeleine. We are not interested in their script as you put it, we want the truth..
I am off to visit my shed to do some further thinking.
I can confirm it is at the bottom of my garden and although it cannot be seen from my back door if anyone asks I will get the prepared script from my pocket and tell them it can be seen. I will defy reality and pretend that the garage which gets in the way just isn't there.
The important thing to remember is that if anybody points out there is no direct line of site to the shed then I shall
a) Storm off
b) Squeeze my wife's hand to make sure she doesn't agree with them
c) Speak confidently and try not to stratch my ear.
If all else fails .. mention
a) The word ludicrous
b) Get a non PR expert to become one using a magical spell
c) Go jogging with my wife to discuss how we can continue to convince people you can see the shed from our back door.
If all else fails
Get on a plane and leg it.
Lizzy
I agree with you. Maybe Goncalo Amaral knew that politics would ensure this never ever gets to court, so maybe he is taking steps single handedly to ensure that it does.
Sorry have to dash, will have to catch up with anyone later....bye
Viv says the McCann always read from a piece of paper and are not spontaneous. In case we forget the McCann’s have staged and scripted this whole disappearance, everything from about 11pm on 2nd May. When they talk to the press it’s easier for them to read from a professionally written script with plausible untruths. The truth may be delivered more easily but lies cause people to hesitate and search for a decent and conceivable line to spin.
The McCann’s second guessing at what grieving parents of an abduction will do it out of sync with those really facing this type of tragedy. Keeping quite does not fit in with their modus operandi as they feel this is not what parents who have lost their daughter would do.
The McCanns are either victims of an unprecedented injustice, despite help from all quarters, or they have been complicit in the staging of events to conceal their guilt, which is so evil and foul, to have moved one commentator to say even Shakespeare himself could not have written it.
All I can say is out with McBeth and in with McCann as this is surely the production we are seeing played out before us. I for one wait with baited breath for the final scene of this mystery to unfold.
Hi Stella,
I think the only way the truth may come out is if the PJ throw away the secrecy limit. Then sharks, er.. people akin to McCanns will go for the money and the fame and tell all. Play them at their own game IMO . I can guarantee if the price is right they will be queueing to dish the dirt. They do not own the story, they think its exclusively theirs, it is not. Come back Gail Cooper I say.
I can confirm I am going to the shed now and my 2 young boys are with my wife while I indulge in some free time.
bye for now
:)
testing
Hi Nancy, just got back from yet another trip to Benidorm, nightmare!!
What are you testing hun???
Hi, guys.
Just to let you know that I have created a place where people who wish to do so can leave a message of support to the PJ. It is not intended to discuss the case (that's what we do here) and it is also not intended to be a place for discussion. Just a place I needed to create! :-)
http://proud-of-the-pj.blogspot.com/
You have a warm soul Claudia. I have left a message but not sure it saved.
Hello, Bath Theory. Thank you. I chose to moderate comments because as that is not a place meant for discussion, I want to approve them before publishing. Thank you for you comment, Bath Theory. We'll do our best! :-)
Claudia
I know I'm doing something wrong, but I'm a computer idiot, so I don't know what.
I have tried to copy and paste your link but it keeps coming back as 'did not match any documents'
Help. What am I doing wrong?
Hi, JJ!
If you copy and paste the link to your address bar and then click Go, it should work fine.
http://proud-of-the-pj.blogspot.com/
HI all
Just started to read your comments, yes the need to always have a prepared script, this is a very defensive piece of behaviour which they employed from the very outset.
Marga
I think yout 10.30 post is an excellant piece of work where you are taking many of the self serving comments, apparently written by Justine McGuinness and clearly explaining how attempt is being made to defend Kate and Gerry McCann. As ever, this is what it is about, nothing at all to do with finding Madeleine. As you also set out those comments are so facile they do not defend them at all. E.g. seeking to flag up what a happy family affair meals were, we know just the opposite, the McCanns did not want their children there, again a particularly hopeless piece of "PR" because it goes to the heart of why Madeleine disappeared. Because of what selfish, negligent and uncaring parents they are, who want their me time both day and night. It was also really good to flag up there could have been no paranoia about abduction given they just continued to dump the twins every day with people they would surely have suspected as possibly being involved if they had any genuine belief in a so called abduction. Parents who had genuinely lost a child in this way would have suspected everyone and truly would have been completely paranoid about leaving them again.
Just going to have a read of the rest but wanted to comment on your post because it was so helpful.
Viv x
Hi, querida amiga Viv.
You have e-mail! :-)
Oh Hi Claudia
I think that was a nice thing to do and I can understand your personal need because it has been so insulting to Portuguese people who obviously have great pride in their police force.
I hope you copied across the whole of the thread where we are paying tribute to Goncalo!
Unfortunately, I can also understand your need to moderate comments. Recently I have had about 5 or 6 attempts by Sassy and Co to join this blog and last night they were openly talking about it on their own blog. The need to come and write obscene and offensive rubbish does not leave them. It is within their nature.
Viv x
Hi Viv, I am not very good at googling seem to go around in circles, but I was just trying to find out just how many children have been abducted and from where. I am talking about abductions in the true sense of the word, not kids taken by one of the parents etc. I wondered if you know the answer to this. The only reason I was checking was because as you know Portugal is getting a bashing at the mo by some as a no go area for holidays etc. but I just have a feeling that the figures (if I could find them) would prove that it is as safe as anywhere (except if you go not watch over your kids whilst there that is)
Claudia
Thanks for the information, you learn something every day. I think I've done it.
Please let me know if I've messed it all up.
Viv I am sorry to say this but I think you are a spoil sport. Sassy and co had a right go at me because they said they let me post on their site but you do not allow them to post on here (They forgot to mention that once you have posted on here you are targeted on there no matter what you say, because apparently you have instructed me to disrupt there blog) Yeah right, as if. Anyway they have also said that we are all going to be sued along with because we are official members, so why the hell don't you let them join and they can all come to court with us!!!!
Hi Claudia
I just tried to post this on your blog but it did not seem to work and I am not sure what I am doing wrong:
Hi Claudia, again as a British Citizen I would like to express how impressed I have been with the Portuguese Police in their dedicated efforts to find out what happened to little Madeleine. I really do understand just how hard they have worked and how distressed they must have been personally at her sad loss.
I am ashamed of the response they have received to this from Kate and Gerry McCann and their media machine who have sought to carry out such a wicked vendetta which has so often been overtly racist.
Universally the Police have a job to do in investigating crime and protecting victims. This is exactly what dedicated officers like Messrs. Amaral, Sousa and Rebelo have been doing. For this they will always have my personal support and respect and I know the vast majority of decent people in the UK and indeed, the world, feel just the same.
We just want to know the truth and want those who have seriously offended against little Madeleine brought to justice. On their own admission Kate and Gerry McCann seriously offended against all three of their little children. The law, universally is there to protect vulnerable little children. The PJ are upholding this and I wish them my very best in their dedicated and painstaking work on everyone's behalf, for little children, our future.
Luv Viv x
Gina -
Hi - just clocked in! Well, in fact I clocked in some time ago but it wouldn't take my password! Am I the only one to experience this phenomenon? I had to register again putting in the same password etc and it seems to have worked! It's so frustrating when you spend ages getting a blog right not to be able to send it! Good job I have patience!
I'm sure the continent is one of the safest places for children because it is the habit for continental people always to have their children with them, and the grandparents come to that! They are very gregarious people and are very protective of their own.
I'm sure those people who are regularly in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, and France, will know just how true that is! You can take your children anyway and they are made very welcome. In fact I'd go so far as to say I've seen a few Brits a mit miffed when they are eating in a restaurant and Spanish children are making a bit of a hulabaloo!! But they are no nuisance at all to the average Spaniard for instance!
We went to Calpe this morning - lovely there with so many little kids enjoying the beach - I thought of little Madeleine and the fact that she'll probably never see a beach again - all through her parents' neglect - while they are making a name for themselves and plenty of money no doubt, in her name!
No-one will ever convince me they are grieving parents - you can't just turn emotion on and off when your child is missing - it's not humanly possible, unless you are a zombie!
Nancy we are coming up to the silly season again. Next time you go to the beach, see just how many parents are fast asleep while the toddlers play with the sand. Thank god for the lifeguards, but I fear one day on is going to go missing off any beach in any country if some stupid parents but getting a tan before watching the kids. I am amazed it has not happened already.
Thank you JJ and all of you who have commented.
Viv, darling, please keep trying. I would love to have your support comment there.
As for the moderation, that was my choice because it is not a blog intended for discussion, as this is, and because I will not tolerate filth there. As you can imagine the second comment I received was from "Rosie I love criminals especially if they hurt children Pops". It was sent to the sewer, where she permanently lives.
Hi Gina
I do not allow them to join because this is a site dedicated to achieving justice for Madeleine, not a place for gratuitous insults against other posters who happen to disagree with them. It was never intended to be a recreation of the Daily Express where they had free reign to just do so.
Hiya Claudia
I just tried again and think it worked that time!
Luv Viv xxxxxxx
Viv, I know, I was only joking :-)
Hi Viv -
thanks for your articles today, which have helped us all refresh our memories over intricate details of this case.
Christoper Leake wrote what most of us have thought about - why have the tapas pals gone into their clam shells when all it does it make them look as if they are trying to protect the McCanns and themselves of course.
He made some good points too about the people K&G have had as spokesperson! I suppose you could say that CM has lasted a long time compared Jutine! They probably wanted someone they thought was more believable,i.e. experienced, well known and capable of fooling some people, but not all of them fortunately! CM I think is gradually reaching his sell by date too after a few clangers he's dropped! Just why do they need a spokesperson if they are innocent -it's all a complete nonsense - they are professional people and must have had to speak publicly in their professions!
I'm not really looking forward to following the 'two stars' around on their ITV appearance on Wednesday - there'll be more blame heaped on the PJ's no doubt, and lots of prepared weeping and wailing to try and fool the public! Perhaps it's all about filling up the coffers again! Perhaps they may even mention Madeleine this time!
Justice for Madeleine can't come quickly enough!!
Nx
Gina -
You are absolutely right about that - and you also see a child sometimes running around crying when it has run off because it's parents are asleep! They are of course in the minority thankfully, but there are some who will never learn!!
Thank you, darling! It did. Thank you for your comment, querida amiga Viv. :-)
xxxx
Nancy, I sincerely hope too it never happens but if it does I suppose the poor life guard will get the blame for not recognising the man giving the toddler an ice cream was not her dad. Not the poor parents fault, they are entitled to som R & R when on hols too
That's OK hun, we go back quite a way now, and will always be on the same side:-)
For truth, for justice, for Madeleine, for the integrity of the police working for victims and their right to be allowed to just get on with their job, without interference or insult xxxxxxxxxx
Hello ALL
Just had a quick read back and Gina's post caught my eye and I see I am going to be sued for being a member of a site and having an opinion.
Bloody hell I did not realise I had moved to another country Freedom of Speach is something that was fought long and hard for by our Grandparents and Great Grandparents and now we are no longer allowed to say that Two selfish parentes were wrong to leave thier children alone and soemthing is strange as they dont want to help the PJ by refusing to answer questions.
I am just watching Extreme Makeover Home Edition (and am in tears again) this one is about a family whos house was destroyed by a tornado the mother threw herself over her two young sons and as a result they survived but she will be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. They said she was a Hero and she said....
"NO I was just protecting my children and thats what Mum's do you dont even have to think about it."
What a lady and her words were so true.
xxx
Hi
I wonder if the parents who fall asleep on the beach had lots of alcohol, either during the day or the night before?
You're right, Viv. A long way back, darling! :-)
It was something I just had to do. And I know you know why! :-)
The PJ deserves a little corner of cyberspace where people can express their gratitude. If I had just one comment, then I would already have one reason to set it up! :-)
xxxx
Hiya Hope
The suggestion by people who repeatedly write libellous insults about us actually believe that individually or collectively members of this blog could be sued for supporting the police case against the McCanns is so ludicrous I would not even bother to comment!
Hi Hope, I thought I had pushed my luck with Viv just now, but phew I am still in the team. Thank heavens for that because I may need her legal advice on the cheapo when we are all sued.
See you later Fope, going to sweep in the farden for a while xx
Oh, and darling, I put a link to your blog right at the top of the page. Hope you don't mind! :-)
One comment I just cannot get out of my mind is what Kate said after hearing Madeleine's comment about them not coming to them when they were crying.
"Gerry and I agree to keep a closer watch on the children"!!
Was that a joke or something? That same night they went out, alright to a somewhat nearer venue, but too far away it seems to have prevented an 'predator' taking Madeleine!!
And she is spoken of by friends and family as a 'caring' mother!
I would never leave children alone in bed in the first place, but I sure as damn it wouldn't go out again after knowing they were crying for me the night before.
If they are caring parents, then I'd hate to meet the uncaring ones!!
Both these parents are equally to blame, and so are their friends who did the same and they are all too ashamed to come forward and admit it!
Hiya Nancy
and good to read you again. I think the reaction we saw from the TAPAS group was completely bizarre and the exact opposite to what we would have seen, had Madeleine genuinely been abducted. They would have been unstoppable in telling us precisely why this is the case and in loudly pointing out how wrong the police are. Wanting to go completely silent is what very guilty people do, they have nothing good or helpful to say to help find little Madeleine, sadly, they know she will never come back. Their silence is wicked.
Hi Claudia
I hope it comes across loud and clear I have always supported the PJ and so am very happy for the link to be on this blog for people to specifically say they do!
Luv Viv x
Completely off topic it started to rain very heavily here and I just heard sirens go screaming up the road. There are a number of accidents on the road not far from where I live where people overtake on dangerous bends. How sad x
Nancy IMO the tapas group appear to be getting away with this very lightly because as you they all did the same, left their kids. I know Claudia explained that it is a more serious offence if harm actually comes to the child as a result of this, but even so the rest of the group are not getting so many bad comments in the press (on the odd occasion they have the guts to mention the fact)
Hi Gina
For the rest of them, the world knowing what they did, can be a severe punishment and I do not think they will ever do that again.
Imagine being Rachel and going to the mother and baby group or walking into the local supermarket. She will never be allowed to forget.
Worse still, imagine being Jane Tanner!
Hi Viv
I hope no one was hurt near to you? It looks like it is about to pour down here as well but we managed to squeeze another BBQ in first xxx
Hi Gina
I would go in my Farden but the weather is on the turn have fun with your Pampas grass LOL
Love Fope xxx
Gina -
I know you are on the shelf about what happened to Madeleine, and I was for quite a long time, but to be quite honest having seen what has gone on this past year and what we have seen and heard, I am sure it was an accident and they have covered it up to save their own skins and of course their family and professional lives!
But, if it was an abduction, then it could have been any of the children left that night, so they should all be thanking their lucky stars that their children are safe and well!
It makes you wonder what these children will say when they are older and know that 'there but for the grace of God.....'!
Hiya Hope
I too hope no one was hurt but there have been some terrible accidents on that road and it happens so often so when I hear sirens going in that direction I always fear the worse. I do not know why they do not put warning signs up or something or even restrict the speed. It is a fairly country type of road but still a main route.
Viv, I have a wicked sense of humour, and a vivid imagination but it does not stretch to imagining to be Jane Turner. Contrary to popular belief by some :-( I would first have to learn how to lie, and that does not come easy to me, even if telling the truth gets me in trouble, which it often does.
Fope, I know I am a cow face telling you this, but I have been waiting for it to cool down in the Farden so I can sweep (and pick up dogs poo, so don't get jealousXX)
Viv, hopefully there will be nobody seriously injured in the accident. I always think of the emergency services when there is an accident, having worked with an ambo crew the work is not pretty. Please God all will be ok.
Viv -
And imagine being CM if it all goes pear shaped and the truth comes out! Won't his face be pink!!! He'll never be able to look another newspaper editor in the face again!!
Mind you, he'll never want for money - he'll be rushing to the publishers with his book along Uncle Tom Cobley and all!!
too late to go in my farden now that is for sure, not only is it raining again quite heavily very loud rumbles of thunder which is quite frightening. Are other UK getting this?
Nancy I am not on the shelf although some have presumed I am an old spinster:-) I am on the fence!! only because I cannot get my head around how anybody got out of the apartment without leaving traces or waking the child (unless she was sedated) and I cannot see how anybody accident or whatever can just dump their kid's body somewhere to save their own necks.
However, what went on since the child went missing, with the necessity to call the media before the police and so on and so on absolutely appauls me
Hiya Nancy
I have thought this is Clarence's game plan and it does not say a lot for him as a person does it?
He is clearly not a stupid person and has previously worked reporting serious murder cases such as the Wests. He clearly has the intellect to know that what he spouts on behalf of the McCanns is "quite frankly ludicrous". Will it matter to him when they are tucked up in a prison cell and just like Diana's butler, Paul Burrell, he becomes a millionaire, no, I dont think it will!
Viv x
Viv
Have you mentioned some signs to your council? Sometimes the cant see the advantage until someone points it out to them...
It is really black here now but no rain yet xxx
Hiya Hope
No, I have not thought to do that and will email them!
It is remarkable really that there is one lane around here that is used quite a lot but there are dozens of pheasants who also use it a lot, along with ther wildlife. It was a little girl, I think about 11 who wrote the council and said please put a warning sign up to stop the pheasants keep being killed, and they did!
Now I will ask them to do one for the humans too, but I have also seen dead badgers on this road, it would be nice, if people could just slow down and think.
Hi Claudia
I hope it comes across loud and clear I have always supported the PJ and so am very happy for the link to be on this blog for people to specifically say they do!
Luv Viv x
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No, Viv, darling, I put the link to your blog on mine! :-) I would never mess with your blog before asking you! :-) But I would be very honoured!
Hope there wasn't any serious accident where you live.
xxxx
Viv
You are right CM will be a very rich man no matter what the outcome he has enough material for several books already.
Claudia
silly me! I will put the link of for you then, but you have admin rights and could have done this and I most certainly would not have minded!
Luv viv x
Exactly my point from the beginning, many people would make loads of money out of this, and the only one to be the loser is Madeleine. Getting all annoyed about it now when I think about it, so back into the farden to switch off for a while before I get all white and spiteful
Viv,
I was reading the latest news on Isabella nardoni's case and they are at the moment doing the reconstituionwith stunts and without the two suspects who have refused to participate.
Do you think it is also probable the PJ go ahead with it without the arguidos? We have heard they intended to do it in May.
Forgot to add all the witmesses, too. The stunts are there to replace the suspects. Same height, etc.
not messes (witnesses)LOL
Viv
It amazes ne around where I live we have a dual cariageway that is 30mph with no houses anywhere nearby??? Then there is a country road that has passing places along the route as it is not wide enough for two cars and that is national speed limit???
Strange???
Thank you, darling. I know you wouldn't mind. But i wouldn't do it without asking! :-)
Thank you, querida amiga!
Cláudia,
the wonder two are also going to release a book but only after the arguido satus is lifted..LOL
Pros: Best sit and wait.. LOL
Marga, yeah, I know. I bet it's going to make the Guinees Book of records for the biggest amount of lies for each paragraph! lolol
Cláudia,
LOL
Gina -
You really made me laugh! what a hoot!! on the shelf!!! Sorry about that - I'm sure a lovely lady like yourself would never be left there! What a wally I am!!! I had a pint of beer and a couple of glasses of red today so I've probably fuddled my brain!!
Nx
Hiya again
I have been trying to post a link to Claudia's blog but the link button does not seem to be working so have posted it as freetext. I am sure that will do just as well!
Will now try and catch up with posts again!
Viv x
Yes Viv -
And if people like Paul Burrell or Clarence Mitchell do end up in clink they are often able to buy a few treats I'm sure, like ciggies etc., (from other prisoners normally) and so manage to finish their sentences virtually unscathed! It's a very unfair world sometimes!!! I feel sorry for any prisoner ending up in a cell with Pinky though - he wouldn't get a word in edgeways!!
By the way I applaud your decision not to allow the troublemakers on this blog because there is no way (as Gina says) that you can ever hope to make them see a different point of view than their own! It would be like banging your head against a brick wall. I used to find them completely immovable on the DX and they were definitely much more insulting than the antis!
I will try to leave a post on Claudia's blog for the PJ's now.
Nx
Some prisoners who like to make false libel claims and have an unnatural affection for money sit and write their memoirs in their prison cell, Lord Archer got a false payout from the Daily Express, just like Kate and Gerry McCann and then sat in his cell writing about it so he could cash in on his release. I see Kate and Gerry continue to follow the example he set. Their choice!
Hi all,
Daily Mail
The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they wanted to raise money for the dwindling Find Madeleine appeal fund, and to counter a campaign of smears from inside the police investigation.
CM insisted any money raised by a would go to the Find Madeleine fund, and not to the McCanns themselves.
They say that whatever money they get,will go into the fund,why don't they say it's going sraight to their personal expenses
Double standards from Pinky here,saying A.Goncalo should not make money from Madeleine,is that not what Mc's have done from day one Pinky.
Comments (3)
Here's what readers have had to say so far. Why not add your thoughts below?
Even if they give all of the money to the Find Madeline account, they shouldn't be allowed to profit from the case while they are still considered suspects.
- Hollie, Cardiff,Wales
More to read? Give us a break! Please!
- M, Scotland
£1 Million book deal and they are still Arguidos.
- Fifthbridge, Nuneaton Warks
Viv -
I think I would rather be poor and honest when it comes to the crunch!
I'm off for the evening now, but look forward to seeing you all tomorrow - really enjoy all your blogs - it's nice to be a part of such a nice bunch of child loving people!
Nancy xx
Hiya Nancy
I think the prospects of Pinkie finishing up in a cell are pretty remote, he is cashing in on the McCanns and their despicable behaviour, that might be downright immoral but it is not downright illegal. There could be a case against him for seeking to pervert the course of justice but I think it is unlikely to be pursued because he is not a principal offender in the events on 3 May. However, there is a good argument for saying he should be prosecuted because he has undoubtedly impeded the course of justice and the law obviously seeks to punish and deter such behaviour. Somehow though there is always a decision taking about where do you draw the line. Investigating is very expensive, getting the right people has to be prioritised. A decision would have to be taken about the pros and cons of going against Pink. Getting hard evidence against him would be very time consuming and difficult and as I say, he is not directly involved in the loss of Madeleine which is the overwhelming thing the police will want to deal with.
There is no criminal offence of being highly immoral and repugnant!
Viv x
Evening All,
IF The Pink One gets rich, then he is worth suing for libel! If the Pink One remains just another PR tart, scraping a living off others, then his current fame is worthless, although it's priceless to him...at the moment.
Still, he's worth suing - just to set the record straight, in due course, imo. Even if he remains a wage slave, like he is now.
CLAUDIA: I left comment in support of PJ on your blog. Cross fingers, it may register.
HIYA VIV and HOPE: did someone mention suing people here for libel? What a load of tripe.
Hello Leigh
sueing us? what a load of tripe!
Sometimes plain and concise speaking is called for and I certainly applaud you for that one:-+
People have stopped giving to the fund,but if they buy the book they are doing just that. By hook or by crook the Mc's will get public money somehow.That is if anyone wants to hear more lies not truth.
Marga,
'...best sit and wait,' you suggest. I agree. Truth will out or at least the best part of it, imo.
Dolores,
The 'Fund' for fraudsters cashing in on a dead girl, imo.
The public are mighty in their numbers, and their common sense, in my view.
The more the McCanns speak or write, the more they reveal their true colours.
The colour is red, imo.
Hi, Viv. Thank you for the link.
I'll check it, Leigh. Thank you.
We're gonna het sued? lololol
If that was possible, then the posters on the House of Filth would be in jail by now, taking into account the posts I've collected so far! lololol
Hiya Dolores
You just gave me an idea for a new headline DONT BUY KATE AND GERRY'S BOOK! The gruesome twosome never give up on thinking up schemes to cash in and get rich over the death of their own little girl do they. They certainly earned the title..I am glad the cash rich Americans gave them the heave ho!
It has stopped raining so I am going to grab the chance of an early evening walk but will be back later guys x
Love Viv x
Viv,
you haven't answered my question about the reconstitution.
Do you think the PJ will go ahead with it?
Dear Viv,
Gotta go soon, but just wanted to say thank you for your blog, and your sincere pursuit of truth, assisted by those who comment on here.
Tis a pleasure to see.
xo
leigh
Marga,
As far as I know, criminal charges can be heard in a court of law in Portugal even in the absence of the defendants.
The re-enactment proposed by the PJ is standard police procedure in some parts of the world, e.g. the UK.
Only the McCanns PR stunts and political/media contacts have distracted public attention from the simple truth of this case: the McCanns and some of their friends are suspect in the 'disappearance' of Madeleine; they are subject to ongoing police inquiry; they deserve NO special treatment by the public or anyone else.
I suspect that the police know that, and act on that, in the best interests of one victim: Madeleine, dead aged 3.
Viv /Leigh,
They need to pay careful attention to some of there own posts smearing the PJ.
These bullies want to sue us for libel, they can have my £1 in the bank. Loool.I will never be afraid of bullies,stupid fools.
XX D
Leigh,
"The more the McCanns speak or write, the more they reveal their true colours.
The colour is red, imo."
_____________
In PT they would be dark black.
According to Mrs. guiness "Kate is a black white woman"...
Dolores,
you are right.
Today's posts about PT and the PJ are the worst ever.
They are a disgrace.
Read you all 2morrow.
Bye!
Bye, Marga!
Marga,
I think:
PR is black and white; the simple contrasts projected by stupid apparatchiks, like the McCann Machine of media manipulators. They want to think that their clients, and those they wish to influence, are dim wits, only capable of simple 'black and white'.
As most responsible adults know, life exists in the grey area; the debatable area.
Mercifully, we have laws and common sense to shine a clear light on extreme bad behaviour - e.g. educated doctors at the bar night after night, leaving babies alone and defenceless in a foreign country; same doctors lying about the circumstances of what happened to Madeleine Beth McCann.
Now, why would they do that? A court will decide, in due course, imo. Libel court. Criminal court. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn :-)
I despise bare faced liars, lying over the body of children and public trust.
The second world war was fought and millions died,my relatives fought and died against totalitarianism and a facist dictatorship,and freedom of speech.I thought the bully boy, Hitler commited suicide, or does he live on in a blog,that is threatening to silence people who give an opinion based on what is given in the news.
Viv,
The Mc's have been making money from Madeleines demise from day one and cannot even spend some of it to give her a christian buriel,she is not even worth of that.
As G said when the risk assessment was mentioned about Madeleine’s eye defect: “We thought it was possible this could hurt her. Her abductor might do something to her eye. But in marketing terms it was a good ploy.”
XX D
Hello, Leigh. I'm sorry but I did not receive your message on my blog.
xxxx
Dolores of the pink rose.
I believe that free speech lives on, despite the bullying tactics of vested interests, like the McCann Machine of media manipulators.
They are a boorish nuisance; something to be endured; something to smite when the time is right.
Liberty lives wherever free men and women defend it, imo.
Threats to sue this blog are made by dimwits, hoping to con honest inquirers, seeking the truth, the facts - the facts and truth which threaten vested interests, imo.
Press on, Dolores. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey. This isn't over yet.
xo
leigh
Hiya all
I am now back from my walk, the last bit of which gave me a bit of a soaking but it was still nice:-)
I see there has been a discussion about the reconstruction and the actual prosecution of the McCanns in a Portuguese court of law.
There is a conflict in relation to the proposed reconstruction. The McCanns argue this would incriminate them and so as arguidos they say it would be unfair to them to actually be forced to provide evidence against themselves. This is true. It is up to the prosecutor to prove their case. The major problem for the McCanns of course is this, if they were innocent and genuinely believed Madeleine had been abducted they could have no reason to refuse to take part in a reconstruction. In fact they would be only too happy to do so, because it could give the PJ fresh leads to work on to seek her abductor. So, their refusal in itself is evidence against them. I understand that in Portuguese law, as arguidos they could be forced to comply but I am not sure the PJ would do this, even if that is correct, because they have won by offering the McCanns this chance to prove their innocence, which they have refused, demonstrating their guilt. Winning a legal case can be as much about tactics and effective use of procedures as the hard evidence itself, as this so clearly demonstrates.
So far as them actually standing trial. There is simply no question of them being allowed to refuse to appear and the trial going ahead in their absence, they would be arrested and taken there under European Arrest Warrant. The only time a trial goes ahead in the absence of a defendant is when they have disappeared.
Finally, we should not lose sight of the fact they just could face trial in UK but I think this is very unlikely.
7 October 2007
£51K FOR 89 DAYS WORK ..GERRY HIT THE ROOF!
EXCLUSIVE MISSING MADDIE: McCANNS' FURY AT PR'S HUGE BILL £350-a-day press expert charged £20k for over time, booze and meals Family's outrage over drain on fund to find missing Maddie
By Jeff Pickett
Anguished Gerry McCann sensationally split from the expert masterminding the worldwide hunt for his missing daughter Madeleine after she put in a whopping £20,000 overtime and expenses bill.
Press and PR chief Justine McGuinness charged Gerry and wife Kate £51,000 for 89 days' work.
Her basic fee was £350 a day, making a total of £31,000.
And the rest was made up in overtime payments and expenses - including bar and restaurant bills.
Gerry, 39, lost his rag when he was told the Find Madeleine fund would have to foot the bill.
And McGuinness, 37, parted company with the family after a showdown with Gerry.
A source close to the family said last night: "Everyone at the fund was happy with the way Justine handled herself and the PR. She did a brilliant job.
"But there was a debate over her overtime and expenses bill which came as a surprise to Gerry. He hit the roof.
"He couldn't believe Justine's expenses and overtime were as high as £20,000 for the time she'd been in Portugal.
"She claimed overtime for nights when she had been out drinking and eating with journalists and other people over there.
"Justine was well paid by the fund on a day rate but claimed overtime too along with expenses.
"The family expected her day fee to cover EVERYTHING.
"Then the extra bills came in on top of this and there was a great deal of surprise within the fund."
The source went on: "The fund's managers were completely taken aback when she lodged the claim and immediately phoned Gerry.
"He then spoke to her about it. As part of the agreement to part company he said he would not publicise details of the rift. Kate and Gerry put out a statement thanking her for all her work on the campaign.
"But Gerry was livid because her expenses drained the fighting fund of a chunk of money intended to help find Madeleine."
McGuinness - who stood as a Lib Dem candidate at the 2005 General Election - was headhunted in June to help the McCanns' crusade to find four-year-old Maddie.
She was picked because of her political background.
And she acted as a spokeswoman and organiser of events to keep the campaign in the news.
Her efforts included getting celebrity backers such as England soccer idol David Beckham and Manchester United's Portuguese maestro Cristiano Ronaldo.
She also organised interviews and photocalls with the couple.
McGuinness advised Gerry and GP Kate, 39, on their audience with the Pope.
And she encouraged cardiologist Gerry to go to Washington in July to learn about the latest techniques for tracing missing kids.
But some critics warned she was making the campaign too much of a slick PR operation. And there were new concerns when when Portuguese police made Kate an official suspect.
The source said: "The McCanns hired a campaigns expert rather than someone to defend their reputations if things went awry.
"Once the Portuguese started pointing the finger at Kate things had to change."
McGuinness disputes the amounts involved. Last night she defended the payments and said: "I parted on good terms with Kate and Gerry and I regard them as my friends.
"They made it very clear to me that they were happy with the work I did." She added: "I sincerely hope Madeleine is found and I wish the McCanns well."
McGuinness quit on September 15 and was replaced by ex-Cabinet Office aide Clarence Mitchell, 46.
Hiya Dolores
Thanks for such a good article.
It really does raise the question, why do we have this piece apparently written by Justine McGuinness right now given the very bad terms she parted company with the McCanns on.
Did they beg her to put her name to it with a huge offer of cash, or did she volunteer for a huge pot of cash?
Either way it only serves to exemplify she is a cash strapped looser with low morals just like the McCanns who are now very desperate indeed for quite obvious reasons.
Viv x
What did GM expect? BS costs money. He should not complain, him and his team seem to be doing very well on it and bringing in the money as well. Heck Mr. Pink has a career based on BS.
Viv,
This is why I posted it as a reminder,and why this article today trying to paint K as a caring mother.And how much did she get to say it.
They are in in every paper today and evryone painting them lily white,more like putrid yellow.
XX D
Oh, Dolores.
How the words of PR tarts come back to haunt them. Perhaps now people will see today's Sunday Mail article written by McGuinness in context...in the context of another PR tart plying her wares.
IMO McCanns and McGuinnes = birds of a feather,shallow,hollow,attention seeking, big ego = politician. The famous duo have adapted an ambassadorial role with their own PR.
Honest Joe.
How right, you are, I think. I had that same conversation with a media friend today. He started off playing devil's advocate; buying the McCann media manipulator's squeals. He's bored with this story...just as Clarence et al know, and that's why they now talk of wanting the media to leave the McCanns alone; boo hoo, they are unique victims again. Tsk.
Anyhow, my friend now thinks differently.
Press on, Joe. No surrender. The crime committed against Madeleine is great, and affects the fate of every child in the UK, imo.
Justice. Fairness. Children deserve this, 'whoever it hurts', as the PJ said recently, and have no doubt, the British Police and child protection agencies agree.
Hihttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296444,00.html
Portuguese Police Reportedly Have Evidence to Charge Kate McCann in Daughter's Death
This is a rush transcript from "The Big Story With John Gibson," September 10, 2007. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JOHN GIBSON, "BIG STORY" HOST: A shocker in the Madeleine McCann case: manslaughter. Little Madeleine's very own mother can now reportedly be charged in the death of the missing 4-year-old.
Kate McCann is in the spotlight tonight. The London Times is reporting that investigators in Portugal think they have enough evidence to charge her with murder by failing to prevent Madeleine's death. In the U.K., that is the same as manslaughter. She could also reportedly face charges of concealing Madeleine's body.
Both official suspects in the case, Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, are back at home in the U.K. waiting to hear from the Portuguese police, who say they're about to hand over the case to prosecutors.
With me now is Sarah Baxter with The Times of London and former LAPD homicide detective and FOX News contributor Mark Fuhrman.
Sarah, if I can ask you first, what is your reaction to this news among the McCanns' countrymen?
SARAH BAXTER, TIMES OF LONDON: Shock and disbelief, really. They were very critically of the McCanns originally for leaving Maddy unattended in their apartment, in their hotel room. But after that there was huge sympathy for the McCanns as being punished way too harshly for an oversight. The thought, though, that they themselves were responsible for their own daughter's death and then dumping her body somewhere, that justifies the least. That would put them in the annals of crime along with Jack the Ripper.
GIBSON: You know, Mark, I know from the beginning when we talked about this case, as a former police detective you said you've got to look at what the Portuguese have to suspect the mother. Is that enough?
MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD DETECTIVE: Well, John, I think it's not only enough, it's far more than a lot of these cases have. And they actually do take them to prosecutors. And they actually do take them to a jury, and they're convicted.
You see that the parents are posturing themselves in certain ways. And I'll tell you, John, when I heard that Kate McCann, when she is confronted by the police detectives, when they ask her or they tell her that they found blood in the bedroom, Madeleine's blood in the bedroom, not just blood, she doesn't refute it. She is in shock. She doesn't say it's impossible. She doesn't say where. She says, "Well she could have had a cut or a nosebleed."
Now what person on this planet wouldn't have known if her 4-year-old would have had a nosebleed or a cut? I mean, that, to me, corroborates the blood, and she can't say anything else. And she doesn't.
GIBSON: Sarah, the other piece of evidence that they're going on is apparently an allegation that they found blood in a rental car that the McCanns were using. You know, that's pretty strong evidence that something went on, isn't it?
BAXTER: Well...
GIBSON: It is because — hang on, Mark. Sarah, you first.
BAXTER: Yes, well, as far as I understand it, some of Maddy's DNA was found in the trunk of the rental car. This was 25 days after she'd disappeared, so it's slightly extraordinary on the face of it. It implies that the parents might have taken Madeleine's body from where it was originally dumped, placed it in the car, driven off, then dumped it somewhere else before flying off to see the pope.
But if there was DNA there, some people are saying that, well, perhaps, it's because it's similar to her siblings. It's similar to her parents. It's very fragmentary. Although there are new allegations, some sources that came in say it's a full DNA match with Maddy's blood. So we're going to wait and see about that. That would be very interesting and significant.
GIBSON: Mark, you know, the police in Portugal are really frustrated, and there is killing, terrorism and all of that. Isn't there at least a suspicion on your part that they may be looking for somebody easy to accuse since they haven't found somebody hard?
FUHRMAN: No, absolutely not, John. I think they have done something that I have had a lot of respect for. They conducted the investigation. They looked for outside possibilities of a kidnapping, because they had two parents that looked very credible and making statements that they were at dinner. So they went and they did what they were supposed to do.
They did the investigation in the room. They couldn't find anything outward, and this is very important, John. So they went and looked for suspects. They didn't see anything, any forced entry, anything like this. They didn't find any blood.
They go back and they look at this with sniffer dogs, basically cadaver dogs. They find blood. Now, this is the most important part, John. They don't see the blood. The dogs smell the blood. That means that somebody had to clean up the blood. Well, if it wasn't a maid, if it wasn't a 4-year-old child, then who was it? And if you don't have a parent that says they cleaned up any blood, you've got a problem.
GIBSON: Mark Fuhrman and Sarah Baxter, thanks to both of you.
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Hi found this article by paulosgirl on the 3 Arguidos, interesting I thugth by Fox news sep/07....Lizzy
Hi Leigh3,
You hit the nail in the head. The story now has media fatigue and people are bored with it. Its all been too one sided. Its is up to the PJ now to put this story straight or at least open the floodgates before we drown in sanctimony.
Lizzy.
That confirms 2345s simple argument agains the McCann Machine of media manipulators: simple, honest police inquiry has uncovered the sad truth about 'missing' Maddie.
Now, it is all about proof for court. That's all it is. The truth is known to some.
The McCanns and their sympathisers are using sophisticated, expensive tactics to evade criminal court.
Now, libel court...that's harder to evade, imo.
Quite right, Joe. Time for action. Seen Lizzy's post? That's where the action is, imo.
Acquiring enough proof for court. Failing that, provoking liars into libel court.
Nasty game, but the McCanns and their supporters chose the game over the truth, imo.
Leigh3,
Fight fire with fire.
Dolores,
many thanks .
I think you shpuld post it also in the proud-of-the-pJ Blog.
It would be much appreciated.
Thanks, Viv for your answer re reconstruction.
Quite right, honest Joe. See you next time. Gotta go again. Rest well. Honest inquiry is worth the wait ;-), as you know.
leigh
Marga,
I was going to post something tomorrow and I will mention it.
xx D
Leigh3,
Take care.
Marga,
Sorry....which post did you want me to mention?
XX D
Dolores,
that with the debate on fox.
Thanks.
Really off now.
I've returned here to see if Viv had an answer about the reconstruction.
That one in Brazil has already finished. Let's see what we have tomorrow about Isabella , too.
Nite, nite..
Hello, guys!
That article by Justine is very interesting. But as Marga pointed out, sometimes not very bright! :-)
Marga
Nite nite,it was Lizzy who posted the Fox transcirpt
XX D
Sleep well, Marga!
Viv, thanks for your 20.30 post
So far as them actually standing trial. There is simply no question of them being allowed to refuse to appear and the trial going ahead in their absence, they would be arrested and taken there under European Arrest Warrant. The only time a trial goes ahead in the absence of a defendant is when they have disappeared.
That was a comforting paragraph.
Claudia, In terms of the Justine article it seems highly unlikely she and only she wrote those words.
Sorry Lizzy:-((
It seems I need my beauty sleep:-)
Nite Claudinha and all.
Bath Theory, maybe she wrote it but someone was whispering in her ears! :-)
Claudia,
Could that be someone who likes pink. :))
XX D
Evening everyone,
Team McCann is trying, with all the forms to attack, again, Portugal and especially the PJ.
I found an article from "The Times”, where Sir Mark Williams-Thomas, a former "detective", do, one more time, a tremendous attack on the PJ´s work.
What a shame that he only talks to protect a child neglecters parents, but he forgot to say that the PJ is not alone in this investigation, the British police is also helping!
He elaborates a tremendous theory of what had happen, in Praia Da Luz on May the 3rd , to Madeleine. He is so smart that I find strange that with all his intelligence, has not yet found the little one! How had not, the McCanns, hired him instead of Retardo3?
I, for once, will light a candle on the May the third, at my window between 7pm and 10pm, and I will pray for the soul of Madeleine McCann hoping that she rests in peace, and hoping that she stands next to some kind of Angel!
A candle for Madeleine´s soul!
Dolores, maybe someone who used to wear pink a lot but who will probably switch to brown soon. And I do mean brown, the colour, not your PM! :-)
Ana, hello.
Well, I'm sure that Sir Mark Williams-Thomas will soon find Madeleine, alive and well (as her parents say) and her faceless 'abductor'...
I would not take much notice of Mark Thomas as he will say whatever is required as long as the money is right.Then he will go 180 degrees for another fee. Sell security blinds like all the other ex-coppers is my advice to him and leave the detective work to those in charge.
Cláudia,
Hello darling!
Ye right, and I am Santas!
It seems that we will be inundated with articles such as this, the whole next week!They started a couple of days before!
Ana, and I'm Julia Roberts.
As for the articles, anything goes as long as it takes the focus away from the truth...
Mark Williams Thomas in the article states it was a paedophile who took Madeline, no evidence mentioned?He then swings back 180 degrees and states that the Police believe the parents accidently did it. He is covering his A... as they say, having it both ways. what a wondercop. He does not have clue no more than anybody else. Imagine the times paying for that article.
I am off then as I am only talking to myself it looks like.
Sunday night, Joe! :-)
Sleep well!
Boa noite!
Joe,
Mark Williams-Thomas, has much evidences as I do, he is only doing what he is paid for!Remember that he was a pay guest,a contributor for Sky News, concerning this case at the very begining...
Morning to all who are an hour behind civilization! Mark Willie Thomas a Sir? You're kidding me. That is like knighting Wayne Rooney!
3Arguidos, has now a photo with Blondie (a well none contributor), which proves that she was in fact with Robert Murat in Praia Da Luz, and proves also, that Robert did indeed contributed on that site 2 days ago!
For those who didn’t believed, here the link!
It's a holiday here so I can have a lie in hopefully. The new SA is 14 today. Forgot you all need your 280 winks. Wink. Goodnight.
Whoops here is the cv of Mastermind Criminologist:
About
See media clips of Mark here
See media clips of Mark here
VIEW THE SHOWREEL
“Mark features regularly on the BBC,ITV, Sky News, GMTV and other television channels as a criminologist and child protection expert. Bringing with him his wealth of experience as a hands on former Detective, Mark is able to provide a new dimension to many of the criminological problems facing today's society – for example, how the police investigate major crime and the risk management of sex offenders in the community.”
Mark appears regularly in the media, as a presenter,commentator and expert.
He is one of the country's leading child protection consultants- appearing and lecturing on the risk management and assessment of offenders as well as missing children. He now owns his own Child Protection & Risk Management Consultancy - WT Associates Ltd.
Prior to setting up WT Associates in 2005, Mark was a police Detective specialising in major crime. With considerable experience of investigating major paedophile and murder investigations, as well as being one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers during his time in the police.
Mark is also a Criminologist - Masters & Pg Diploma (Commendation)
Ana, never doubted her.
Oh dear oh dear! How could they possible knew that she would be missing one year later? She can be found in the next days, I suppose, before the one year anniversary, but they are already doing it!!!
How can they, be so sure that she is alive? Or, is the fund money to help the hunt of Madeleine alive or is to help find Madeleine body?
I realy would like to know this!
Isis,
Oh, I know that, thanks Isis!
I’ve been following the site, not posting, but reading!:)
Ana, troll infestation there over the last few days!!
Yes Isis,I´ve noticed !:(
Ana, slán,way past my bedtime, at my age beauty sleep is my best chance !!!
Goog Night Isis and all, I am off too !
Read you all tomorrow!
Beijinhos :)
Just wanted to wish you all a good night.
Sleep tight, dear Viv!
xxxx
I'm proud of the PJ! :-)
Claudia darling
I am proud of you and the PJ too, I have just put a new post on and any decent police officer could never have believed these two who dont even agree with each other!
Can the PJ be blamed for pursuing this couple, of course not, they are just doing their job xxxx
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