14 Jun 2010

GERRY'S FAVOURITE RAG SAY GAY KILLER TOOK MADDIE!!


EXCLUSIVE

A SERIAL paedophile linked to the Madeleine McCann case was yesterday jailed for life for murder.

Charles O'Neill has repeatedly refused to be quizzed by detectives working for Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry.
Vanished ... Maddie McCann
Vanished ... Maddie McCann
But the private eyes will now try again. O'Neill, 47, is believed to have been in Portugal when Maddie, then three, vanished from an apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in May 2007.
Yesterday he was sentenced for killing mum-of-three Allison McGarrigle who threatened to reveal he and gay lover William Lauchlan were abusing a child.
Ex-boxer O'Neill and Lauchlan, 33, strangled Allison 13 years ago in Largs, Ayrshire.
They dumped her body at sea and it has never been found.
The High Court in Glasgow ordered O'Neill to serve a minimum of 30 years and Lauchlan, a minimum of 26 years.
Missing ... Jeremy
Missing ... Jeremy
Murdered ... Allison
Murdered ... Allison
They were handed a further 10 years each for abusing two boys aged six and 14.
The pair had been jailed in 1988 over 31 charges of drugging and assaulting young children but were freed in 2002.
They fled to Spain and set up a cleaning business for holiday apartments.
They travelled to Portugal several times.
In April 2004 they abducted, drugged and abused a 15-year-old English boy in Spain.
O'Neill was still there three years later when seven-year-old Spanish Jeremy Vargus vanished from Gran Canaria.

Two months later Maddie went missing - and O'Neill was thought to be on the Algarve at the time.
Jeremy's mother Ithaisa Suarez, 24, and Kate, 41, from Rothley, Leics, have written to each other regularly.
Kate and Gerry have also included information about the Jeremy case on their website.
Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell confirmed: "Investigators have been fully aware of O'Neill and his background but have not been able to take him any further forward as an active line of investigation."


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3009422/Life-for-murder-paedo-wanted-by-Maddie-tecs.html#ixzz0qp6EjPpk

89 comments:

viv said...

Wiz from other thread: Hi All,

A SERIAL paedophile linked to the Madeleine McCann case was yesterday jailed for life for murder.

Charles O'Neill has repeatedly refused to be quizzed by detectives working for Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry.

The alleged linkage to Madeleine McCann is yet again nonsense O’Neill and his partner were gay and the sick pair only had interest in little boys. They chose the Gran Canaries because of its large gay community and they fitted in. PdL didn’t look like the gay capital of Portugal to me. So why or why are the McCann detectives interested in O’Neill. Desperation comes to mind.
Sunday, 13 June 2010 18:48:00 GMT+01:00
viv said...

Hi SB, glad things are back to normal and hope your hair grows back OK, LOL! LOL also about your comments concerning Gerry being dragged off, I do genuinely think he would be very threatening and intimidating to police officers and would most certainly feel he is so important the government should intervene. But I am sure Mr Cameron knows the reality about this man.

Wiz, thanks for your post, I do recall Rosiepops going on about the kidnapping of Jeremy Vargus, I think even going back to Express days. That thing was making links that the McCanns are clearly still wishing to make and making those connections that no other person had thought to make. Of course they have given up on the case of Mari Luz given her real killer was quickly apprehended.

As you say, the MO of these two is to take boys, I can see aged 6, 14 and 15 to sexually abuse, given they are gay they are just not interested in 3 year old little girls!

Transferring to new post on this because I think it is worthwhile to note the desperate rubbish from the McCanns/The Sun has not actually stopped!

Clarence Mitchell points out the McCann Dicks have not been able to investigate this, well of course they have not, these two have been in the custody of the real police who would not be allowing access to those who wish to just pervert the course of justice/the thinking of the public as to who was actually responsible for the disappearance of Maddie.
Monday, 14 June 2010 12:07:00 GMT+01:00

viv said...

Sorry I could not seem to get rid of the Zoopla housing ad, but it is quite nice to look at London properties up to about £35M and dream, lol! I suppose I would be in the indoor heated pool right now..

xx

S.B. said...

Afternoon.......,

I can't believe this oddity namely Antonella Lazzeri continues to churn out such utter rubbish on behalf of her patrons ~ does her career mean nothing to her?

This is just embarrassing and I am surprised that the editor allows such an article to go to print. Unless the populace are prepared to buy a copy for purely entertainment value which is all its worth!

To add to the general tenor I see the deadly infectious bacterium (TB) is at it again!

S.B. said...

Good afternoon all......,

My curiosity regarding C. Pennington has opened a bit of a Pandora’s Box, not only does her involvement appear dubious but the name of Catriona Baker is equally as formidable apparently being the prime carer for Madeleine during the many hours spent in crèche facilities. She also seems anxious to confirm Madeleine’s movements on 3rd May by highlighting details of the boating trip taken by the children but more intriguing is the crèche records, which I am sure I read are supposed to be diligently maintained by staff in accordance with the resorts policies. I note......

1st May ~ 9.30 am Gerry drops Maddie at kids club and collects at 12.30 pm (according to register).
Gerry returns with Maddie at 2.30 pm but was not signed out that evening by anybody.
2nd May ~ Kate dropped Maddie off at kids club at 9.20 am. She was later collected at 12.30 pm but it is not Kate or Gerrys
name that appears on the register, she was signed out by Catriona Baker, the nanny. In addition Kates signature
entered in the morning is not consistent with her usual signature.
3rd May ~ Apart from the pointed reference to the boating trip made by Baker we also have Penningtons statement that this
day in particular she has personal contact with Maddie.

Of course there could be "a perfectly innocent explanation" for the nannies behaviour. A group of girls, off the leash, away from the restraints of their homeland they perhaps were looking for perpetual excitement and novelty which may have led to their seeking 5 minutes of notoriety. It is not unusual for witnesses to exaggerate a situation to satisfy their lust for attention but conversely the situation with this bunch of girls is questionable to say the least. Certainly their statements appear to contain all the elements that could verify the McCann’s version of events...........

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S.B. said...

vickiekurt......,

Greetings from across the globe!

Unfortunately the standard of education available to one such as I was very limited in comparison to those more fortunate as you would appear to be. As you have taken the time to post your comments on this forum I assume that you possess sufficient command of the English language to not only understand the purport of this blog but also to submit your comments in a language intelligible to the majority of visitors.

As I am not versed in languages originating from the orient I have no conception of what you write so I ask that you indulge my ignorance by submitting your comments in something that may resemble English.

I for one would be fascinated to know your views on this very sad, tragic case of the little British girl that mysteriously disappeared from the face of the earth and the subsequent unorthodox behaviour of the parents.

Thank you!

S.B. said...

Evening....,

It has been reported that Gerry Mccann 'demanded' (another of his favoured words) that Catriona Baker, amongst others, be re-interviewed as she was a key witness for their defence strategy!?!

A small chink in the armour? Beware Mr Mccann, the police document everything ~ rather like you and your turning over stones ~ or was that the flip chart?

Di said...

Hi all

Interestingly Ithaisa Vargus gave the exclusive interview to the Sunday Mail. In the article there is no mention of Spanish Police connecting Yeremi's disappearance to Madeleine nor did Ithaisa say she kept in touch with Kate as Antonella would like us to believe. Stinks of pink imo.

Di said...

Hi S.B

Didn't Charlotte Pennington pay a visit to the McCann's home in Rothley, rather odd considering she was a witness.

Imo most of the witnesess have been got at, either by the McCanns or Brian Kennedy, unless one of them comes clean, I fear we will never know the truth. How Kate, Gerry and the tapas can go about their daily lives knowing that at any moment someone might slip up, is beyond me, they must all have nerves of steel.

hope4truth said...

If you are innocent you dont need people jumping to your defence every five minutes telling more and more odd stories....

The McCanns if telling the truth about the neglect along with their 6 scummy friends should have all been arrested for child neglect they are no better than any other parents under review with SS for caring more about their social life than their children...

It would have been very simple to shut up all of those (and from people I know in many walks of life) most people dont belive them as 3 years later it is obvious they have done nothing to help find their child and used her money to create false leads to try and make themselves look innocent....

As I have said many many times they must know where she is dead or alive or the things they have done are more twisted than those of some of the most evil killers in history because their actions if she was taken have made sure she will never be found if she is in a peado hell hole (as they are happy to tell us she is) then every second is a second to long...

Look at them on her 4th Birthday looked like they had won the lottery....

Now they want the world to belive she has been taken by GAY PEADOS when the Mother of a boy who sadly has a good chance of being taken and killed by those evil men is a side article so Kate can take over her pain...

All they had to do was a lie detector test too late now as no doubt they are despratly learning how to beat one (but have not got it yet or they would have been on Jeremy Kyle long ago)....

Let the world think about Madeleine her parents have spent all her money on themselves she can just rot as far as they are concerned (or they know there is no point)...

Review today into Karen Mathews could SS have done more..... Lets hope we dont have a review on the twins in a few years beacause I worry more about them every day....

Wizard said...

Hi All,

S.B I was reading with interest your comments regarding the crèche. There are a number of points to be considered with the evidence given by the crèche employees.

1. This was not a day nursery that had children for many months and got to know then well – plus their parents and carers. The crèche had a large short-term turnover and saw children for only a few days before they left and the creche’s next charges arrived.

2. At the time, according to Jez Wilkins partner, there were 10 blond little girls of the same age and stature as Madeleine at the crèche. They all looked very similar including the Wilkins daughter who was almost a dead ringer for Madeleine at the time

3. With all this coming and going of children the crèche records were imo a haphazard account of who was there and who was not. The records were left primarily for the parents to sign their children in and out. So it is unlikely to be an accurate record of events and open to abuse for anyone with that intention in mind.

4. The staff and the resort owners had a vested interest in giving the appearance of running a tight ship in their crèche. But was it so professionally and competently run as we are lead to believe? I suspect not and against all the evidence I’ve always thought it possible Madeleine was not at the nursery on the afternoon of 3rd May.

hope4truth said...

Wizard

Your last post is spot on...

I have never trusted a creche when on holiday half the staff are only there for the social life and I would not trust them to walk my dog and the other half can try as hard as they like but dont have the time or support to run things properly....

Pennington changes her story as often as she changes her pants and whilst I am sure she was caught up trying to protect the poor parents loved the publicity.....

S.B. said...

Hello again Di......,

Hope all is going well for you!

There was definately mention of one of the nannies visiting the Mccanns in Rothley. I tried to relocate the report but as usual when looking for something specific you can never find it! I do believe it was Pennington ~ just the sort of girl to get Gerry's tail wagging!

Of course it's perfectly conceivable that the key witnesses have been 'got-at' but I am surprised under the circumstances that their recall is so fragmented. Rather like acting ~ to be paid well you need to be word perfect!

S.B. said...

Good afternoon Wizard........,

You are absolutely right in what you say. It is quite incredible to hear the likes of Pennington and Baker spouting-off about the children and the parents’ personalities and innocence, how perceptive they must be for so few years of life experience. I doubt if any of them were even remotely interested in their charges. Nor do I believe for one moment the professed diligence of the staff employed by Warners.

From my experience, living in a popular tourist location, the majority of youngsters employed by hotels whether they be animateurs, child minders, entertainers ~ they are more interested in carousing than earning their bread.

I am in no doubt that the police are totally aware of all these little peccadilloes, which in themselves may appear insignificant but in the context of a serious crime become extremely important. Also I am convinced that Madeleine was not at the kids club on the afternoon of 3rd May and even prior to that is debatable!

viv said...

Hiya guyss

Some great posts again!

I am inclined to agree that Maddie was not at the creche on the afternoon of 3 May.

Why would the police be so interested in what Payne was wearing that afternoon?

Why would Gerry go home and bring back a faked picture timed to show that Madeleine was around that afternoon? As we know from British Police reports the time and date had never even been set on Kate's camera.

Going on memory I believe it was Nanny Pennington who was reported to have visited the McCanns home, it was even reported that one of the nannies had gained employment with a member of the TAPAS group.

How easy would it be for someone who is such an expert at turning on the charm to con and deceive find it to con and deceive these two nannies? I can just imagine Gerry spinning them a plausible yarn and beguiling them with how helpful they can be in the search and what a great lifestyle they can hope to achieve.

But that is the problem for Gerry, he has involved so many people in the deceit and three years down the line, those nannies are going to be looking at things very differently and perhaps their lives have not turned out so well as Gerry promised them they might?

Back in 2008 there were so many paid witnesses appearing in the Daily Mail etc for the McCanns, Martin Smith, the Nannies, the two aging female tennis players to name but a few. They are all very silent now. There is just one exception to that, Gran Cooper, the McCanns means to bribe and corrupt witnesses has clearly lost its strength. There are no wealthy people backing them. Goncalo Amaral is not going to hand them one million on a plate to continue their charade.

I still believe there are going to be some answers here and the McCanns are nowhere near off the hook, let alone on the road to fame and riches which Gerry in particular was obviously dreaming of. Kate could not hold down any sort of job as a doctor, no need to he reasoned. But his reasoning is fatally flawed and the police know that for a fact and just what they are looking at.

viv said...

I wonder what this "friend" of Charlotte Pennington means she has been through "hounding". I recall reading the witness statement of Jez Wilkins and it sounded like he was complaining about harassment from the McCanns.

Charlotte has written the most terrible cv that marks her as a person who dwells on fame and fantasy and could not even be bothered to capitalise the letter I when repeatedly referring to her bizarre interest in acting and being a fairy. So yes, she would get on with Gerry McCann because he is just the same!

It certainly does explain what we can see so clearly set out on McCann files, Charlotte telling the police one story at the time, and then in 2008, telling the McCann story and marking herself out as a fantasist and a liar at the same time. The bottom line is credible police witnesses, genuinely concerned about Maddie, do not appear in the Daily Mail, The Sun or The Daily Mirror. They do exactly what the police have asked them to do, keep their evidence strictly confidential and not discuss it with anyone, let alone the press. I recall reading on the files Gran Cooper getting a warning from Leicester Police about talking to the Daily Mirror, but I am sure it is what greases her palms that counts, rather than any concern at all for little Maddie.


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Friend Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am
JusticeSeeker – Instead of assuming, you should learn the facts. Charlotte is one of my best friends, and instead of slandering her on a website, when you have NO idea what she has been through, I suggest that you read the facts about her and what happened that evening.
She is an extremely polite, kind and caring girl who would not let anything happen to anyone around her.
Yes she is a Roman Catholic and yes she is an actress but she is NOT a liar. So before you all go and slag her off, learn the facts of that night. You should know that 90% of what you read is not the truth…. You need to grow up and realise that you can’t judge people from others misfortunes. What happened whas a terrible tragedy and wouldnt wish it on anyone but the ordeal that Charlotte, too, has been put through has been hounding.

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Mike Says:
May 25th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
I’m sorry Charlottes friend but having been, for many years, involved with student interviews for Uni courses I have read many CV’s and I’ve got to say it,this CV is terrible and does look like the ramblings of a dreamer,would I offer this person an interview based on the CV,highly unlikely.

viv said...

http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/05/charlotte-pennington-at-nanny-agencycom/

hope4truth said...

Hello All

I think one of the problems the McCanns will have this far down the line are all the false statements (or misguided statements) made by people who were coerced into beliving what they said....

Can you imagine all the conusion they caused that day and night I could not tell you exactly what times my meetings all finished yesterday and even the names of all the people who were there.... I would imagine the urge to help would be huge and once soemething was said maybe they believe it...

Or believed it at the time but are now having doubts and maybe feeling guilt and shame about how they may have helped the McCanns get away with Murder or Kidnapping their own child...

The Social Service report on Shannon came out today is it really such a stretch not to belive the McCanns did exactly the same thing to Madeleine?

They are left to look after twins and Gerry wanted everyone to know Kate is never left alone with them....?

Why is that then???

The family have gone very quiet they must realise how odd they are behaving.....

As for the Gay Peados taking Maddie I have to wonder if this reporter is taking the piss like the DX are????

S.B. said...

Viv......,

I did actually wade through Charlotte Pennington's CV the other day and quite frankly I thought it to be rather puerile for a girl of her age. It appears that she lives a life of fantasy, building castles in the air that I don't think will ever materialise.

Perhaps her mothers influence has distorted her conception of reality. If she is innocent of anything but crass stupidity in being sucked in by Mccann then I fear she is to be pitied. Otherwise she is nothing but a scheming, wicked little girl who should be held accountable for her actions!

viv said...

Hiya both

I think there was always that determination to completey and utterly confuse and destroy any vital evidence, that coupled with the language barrier with the Pt Police, they knew would be a sure fire winner.

They did not want to give evidence individually to try and each add their own unique recollections of events which helps the police so much in the case of a genuine child abduction. They were constantly in touch with mobiles, they had far more mobiles than there were people, even Portuguese mobiles. As to their guilt, that speaks volumes.

Genuine witnesses each remember different facets of what actually took place and this is vital in assisting the police in building up a clear picture of events, eliminating suspects etc. Intelligent people know this and as you say, Hope, bend over backwards to remember every little detail that they can. But this lot got their lawyers on the case and refused to attend a proper police reconstruction. Protecting themselves from prosecution was far more important to them, than seeking to locate a defenceless little girl. That again speaks volumes as to the type of people they are and their guilty knowledge. The only reason they attended the interviews in UK is because UK Police would have charged them with obstruction and even so, we get the same confusing pack of lies.

Charlotte Pennington is a manipulative little lady IMO, who is quite prepared to assist the McCanns by speaking to the Daily Mail in 2008 to try and give an explanation for the very damaging statement she made to the police at the time. Kate actually did say "they have taken her" and the Portuguese Police were just completely spot on to be highly suspicious of her yelling that. It can only mean :

she knew exactly who had taken her and it was pre-arranged and was in deep shock about that

or she was not in deep shock at all, she was simply staging a stranger abduction and is every bit as wicked as her husband.

Whilst I tend to think Kate is a pretty wicked person for not telling the truth, I still need a proper explanation for all those bruises she had, together with bruises on Madeleine and I think I know who inflicted those. It is very interesting that Fiona Payne ultimately seeks to give the most bizarre reason for Kate's bruising, she was bouncing herself off of the walls, in the process sustained grab marks to her arms, a nasty bruise on her elbow, a split over her eye and other bruising to the face, quite remarkable how she achieved that.

Domestic violence often goes hand in hand with paedophilia and child abuse, I do think Fiona Payne and Kate have a lot of explaining to do and when they get around to it, we will know exactly what happened to poor little Madeleine.

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

It could well be domestic violence but Kate can be a hard faced bitch and is happy to sneer at anyone who doubts her "I was there and know more than you" is a very childish putdown but it was said to shut the person asking awkward questions up....

I think Gerry embareses her she is far more inteligent than he is and I think he gets on her nerves...

As for the grab marks if Maddie did die because she lost it or Kate was atacking her maybe they were there because someone (Gerry) dragged her off....

If I attacked my children I seriously belive my Husband would not think about being gentle with me and would drag me off anyway he could and if I was still kicking and screaming would kick and punch back to get me away from my child....

He has never once hit me or I him but I know he would think nothing of it if I was harming his girls and I know this because if he was harming them I would do anything to make him stop....

I do belive they are lying about neglecting the children every night and I am not sure why Gerry would go along with this for Kate or why she would go along with it for him maybe they both abused her so know if one goes down the other will follow?

Or they just did not like her enought to allow her to live in their happy family of 4 and they sold her to someone who will adore her....?

Whatever happend they know exactly where she is because like Karen Mathews it is obvious they are lying through their teeth....

It is odd though as Karen as stupid as she was and as crap a mother as she was knew she had to look sad something Kate and Gerry have barley managed to do and as the clip from the BBC interview showed they looked as sad as they could manage only to laugh and smile when they thought the cameras had stopped rolling....

If Charlotte Penington or other witnesses for the McCanns are reading if a single word you said is untrue then Maddies blood is on your hands... If you did it because you felt sorry for the parents or were in anyway frightend think how terified the victim Maddie is...

And if you did it for fame and fortune I can assure you the first one of you to step forward and tell the truth will make more money than you can dream of and will be the Hero for Maddie and surely a little lost girl deserves a hero...

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hope4truth said...

Oh god yes RoseH_Huls21365 I agree with your post 110%...

Gerry and Kate really are evil pieces of scum for not helping to find their missing child and spending her fund defending themselves....

It wont go on forever I dont know anyone who belives she was abducted now... Over the years the people who were not sure are now convinced something very evil happend to Madeleine....

In fact only yesterday I heard someone who bought ir in the first year comparning Kate to Karen Mathews well actualy she said Karen Mathews was not so twisted because her child was not missing for too long and was alive when she was found....

Where as Kate and Gerry are desprate for the world to belive she has come to no harm and is living with Peadophiles which is exactctly where they have allowed her to stay by spinning the investigation their way....

Some twisted Pro told me that they were being blackmailed and had to keep paying because the secret was so evil they could never let it out (actualy I did not belive her that would make them evil beyond words) can you imagine having a secret that is so bad you would abandon your child to hell to keep it?????

No dont think Kate and Gerry would like her telling lies about them like that....

Odd isnt it I dont belive a word they say but still cant belive they are so evil that they would keep playing these games if they did not know exactly where she was.... Where as many of their supporters actually worship the fact they have never tried to help their little girl (they must have low morals if they belive they would ever treat their own children in the same way)?

I like this bit of your post ............................ But have to disagree with you I really dont think they are that sick.....

Have a lovely weekend xxxx

S.B. said...

Bravo Hope, well said! I am sure xxxx will have a delightful weekend ~ now! At least he/she will have something positive to think about rather than all those negative vibes trolling about the brain.

Di said...

Hi all

Hello Hope

Brilliant post, well said.

Hope you and yours are well. xx

S.B. said...

Hi guys!.........

I have to agree with Hopes post in so far as it relates to Kate Mccann, except I am incapable of being compassionate. Domestic violence, mental illness, anorexia call it what you like, that picture taken a few days after Madeleine’s disappearance, on the day of her birthday, is to me living proof of the type of person she is. There can be no justifiable explanation for such behaviour other than self-satisfaction.

If you can lower yourself by visiting the findmadeleine website there, on the home page in bold type you will see the words "There is absolutely nothing to suggest Madeleine has been harmed". Then move on to the 'missing children' link and see Kate's statement ~ "Madeleine’s abduction itself is quite unusual, in that it was the abduction of a 'foreign national'. this introduced unique difficulties, not the least a language barrier. (Could this quote be considered to be an indication of a premeditated crime)? To continue "All missing children are vulnerable to exploitation including sexual exploitation, with this being the motive in many cases of stranger abduction where motive can be determined". (Is this her notion of Madeleine coming to no harm)? She then continues with a screed about the plight of missing children worldwide but with unbounded impudence suggests how their own personal tragedy has highlighted the problem!

After more of the same me, myself, I she just about manages to slip in a little mention of Madeleine right at the very end.

No, it is impossible for me to think of this woman as anything other than an abusive mother and an accomplice in a heinous crime.

S.B. said...

To continue.........,

Following the initial outbreak of hysteria around 10.00 pm on 3rd May 2007 (Kate bouncing off wailing walls and Gerry prostrate on the floor wailing) this pair of honest, upright professionals suddenly took complete control of the situation. Phoning around the U.K. with their contrived concoction of facts and fiction before the PJ even had the opportunity to initially appraise the situation.

When I raised this point once on another blog, some compassionate soul explained to me that doctors make life saving decisions under extreme pressure every day of their working lives and are therefore capable of quickly responding in an emergency, so it is no surprise that the Mccanns appeared to be in control of the situation so soon after their childs alleged abduction. Sorry whoever you are, I do not think this would apply if ones own child were the victim.

Within the first 24 hours family/friends in the U.K. were saying that Kate was still frantic/devastated/hysterical - enough to make all those telephone calls across the globe whilst the multitude were out searching for her child? Launching their own defence strategy before they even knew if their daughter was within the vacinity? Oh but of course, everybody knows that angelic Madeleine would never wander off alone or willingly allow a stranger to abduct her - she had to be taken by a stranger?!?

Kate Mccann simply must have been involved, there is no other plausible explanation.

hope4truth said...

Hi SB and Di

Me and mine are fine thanks Di hope you are all ok x

I belive they know exactly where their child is dead or alive because to play the (look over there game) if she really was in danger is sick...

The problem they have is they did not expect for the files to be released and after going after Amaral more information was released and this time it was not just the bloggers who were commenting on it....

I have been asked by many people since the Amaral trial how they killed her and to this I have answered I dont know if they did but I do belive they are involved in whatever happend to her...

It was a shock to hear people in public looking at papers and giving their opinions on those two so called paerents without a worry at being sued or have someone jump on them for being so cruel....

The pictures on her 4th Birthday sum it up I belive they thought they had got away with it and people were going to pay for them to have the life they belived they deserved as well as some lawyers to shut us plebs up....

Seing Kates tacky picture of a balloon with incorect quotes on it sell for just over £200 brought home just how wicked they are....

3 million in a fund used to find false leads that could have been of real help to PACT and if PACT want any donations from the public they should drop these two ASAP as they are their for children not parents who bugger off to a bar (or so they proudly say) and have still failed to search for their child or answer many of the questions put to them.....

Wizard said...

Hi All,

Just reading back yesterday's post which were excellent as usual.

On the McCann website they say:

"There is absolutely nothing to suggest Madeleine has been harmed".

This is a very significant quote which highlights the McCann psyche and what their campaign is really all about.

Putting aside the findings of the dogs (inadmissible evidence in a Portuguese court) there is nothing else in apartment 5A that could not be explained away by expensive criminal lawyers. The flat was very clean and tidy causing one police officer on entered the apartment on the 3rd May to say it was so tidy he had difficulty believing three young children lived there.

What the McCanns’ attempt to imply by saying, "there is absolutely nothing to suggest Madeleine has been harmed" is a tactic to raise the awareness of doubters that the police have no hard evidence that they harmed their daughter. If Madeleine had been taken by a stranger, as the Mc’s suggest, she most certainly would be harmed by now and most likely dead – but this scenario is ok from the campaign’s point of view because it wouldn’t be her parents who were culpable – which imo is what all of the publicity coming from the McCann camp is about. It wasn't us!!!

S.B. said...

Afternoon everybody........

Hope ~ a number of times I notice your reluctance to accept certain possible actions by the Mccanns as being unthinkable which when dealing with 'normal' human beings would be correct. However, from what we have seen and heard of this bizarre couple I believe them to be perfectly capable of the worst imaginable conduct, no matter how sick it may appear to a rational person. Your final point inadvertantly (or was it deliberate?) hits on another of the many coincidences in this never ending saga. You refer to Kates juvenile drawing raising money for PACT. PACT? Where have we heard that word before?

I agree 100% with Wizards opinion on the reasoning behind the Mccanns long term defence strategy. In the words of their illustrious spokesman "There is a wholly innocent explanation for anything that may be found" ~ says it all really doesn't it? And of course Gerry's statement "there is absolutely no evidence to suggest........" Undoubtedly Gerry thinks he is a superior being and can out smart anybody that dares to cross his path but I say again he has at least one major human failing ~ not knowing when to keep his mouth shut! Of course his ramblings are not sufficient to convict him of a crime but they certainly strip naked his innermost personality and thus reveal a coniving, evil, pathological liar!

hope4truth said...

Hi SB

I do belive the McCanns (and more to the point Kate)could well have lost it and done something very evil to Madeleine...

The point I try and make is they must know where their child is dead or alive because if they were loving parents of a missing child who was possibly in the hands of a peadophile or dead somewhere and they had no way of finding her there is not a chance in hell they could act the way they do...

If lets say it was an accident or one of them lost it with her and killed her they know there is nothing more they can do for her....

If she really had been taken then all their games have made sure she will never be found....

Clarrie even said they were pleased with the work done by Halligen 300k down the drain as he was a con man.... Any normal parent who thought they had hired the best would want to rip his nuts off and stuff them down his throat for wasting such important money....

PACT yes we have heard that before and each of those 7 Adults who assist them have her blood on their hands...

My only question is just what sick games were they playing that they feel they have to tell such blatent lies????

Time will tell but they have lost the blind faith of the public and they cant afford to sue everyone they hear slating them in the newsagent everytime a new and totaly odd story comes out.....

I have been intrested in Crime for over 20 years have read 1000s of books and attended some very intresting talks on the subject.... Although not qualified in anything this case above all others (and only because Jon Bennett Ramsay was found dead and her fate was known) this case has been the most obvious lie I have ever read about and it is amazes me they are not locked up for life for murder....

They may not have Murdered her it could have been an accident or they gave her away (although Cadavar Dogs are very good) but their behaviour would have anyone else locked up for life....

S.B. said...

Hope......

Point taken! You do have such a wonderful term of phrase.

Crime is indeed a very diverse and interesting subject and I admire your passion. I once thought I should like to try criminology as an 'open university' course but I didn't get beyond that ~ firstly I couldn't afford it and secondly I wouldn't know where to start, there being so many different aspects to choose from!

You may not be qualified but you can certainly contribute worthwhile opinions based on your studies.

hope4truth said...

Hi SB

When I have time I will do a Crimonology Course and finaly take a degree.... I have been buy for the last 17 years raising my girls but they do seem to be becoming more and more independant by the day (which although wonderful is hard to take) but I know in a few years I will have lots of time on my hands.....

I also love the career I have so not sure what I would do with it????

People who thought I was mad to follow this so closely now ask me how they killed her (and I am still not 100% she is dead) they then start discusions bassed on what they think happend according to what they have read or heard....

Not worried about being sued or even think they are hurting anyone finaly they realise this is about a 3 year old child and they are fumming (it did not help last week when the report came out about Karen Mathews)....

Although I follow this because it is such an odd case I also follow because 3 year old children should not be allowed to vanish and their parents be allowed to run the investigation....

All a missing child needs is the truth and people who care enough to search for them Madeleine has had neither from the people who should care the most....

Di said...

Hi all

Hope

We are all fine thank you. I have workmen in at home at the moment. They are so easy to get on with and more importantly clean up after themselves, I shall miss them when they have gone.

Wedding preps are coming along slowly but I know everything will fall into place eventually.

Criminology, what a fascinating subject to study. Good luck with that in the future.

I always thought when my children left home I would have plenty of time to spend on my hobbies which are watercolour painting and gardening. I have not picked up a paintbrush for 6 months, I just don't know where the time goes. The garden is looking good though, but perhaps that could be down to the wonderful gardener who helps out.

Does anyone know what has happened to Halligen's deportation?

Everything has gone very quiet at the moment but it has given me time to read back over old statements etc., I am still amazed no charges have been brought. Reading again the statements taken by LP I am shocked by their shoddy interrogating, even when discrepencies were evident nothing further was said, unbelievable in this day and age. If it was you or I they would be down on us like a ton of bricks.

Who are the McCanns and who are their friends?

hope4truth said...

Hi Di

Wedding plans are so exciting I have a family wedding on Saturday cant wait....

I have to wonder what rogs and evidence was not part of the information that was released....

Maybe when the time is right they will use it to prove the case????

whatever the PJ must know for sure she was not abducted or they would have handed it all over and washed their hands of it...

This is where the McCanns are going to fall apart no one would just give up if a child was really missing no one would just give up and let the poor girl stay in hell...

Di said...

Hi Hope

I would love to know what info was kept back by the PJ, several files we are lead to believe, oh to be a fly on the wall and see what is contained in those withheld files.

Your last comment is interesting Hope, no one would just give up!

That is what several people are now saying, if that was your child missing would you just give up!!

No you would not, you would be over in PDL searching every street and talking to all the locals to see if they knew anything, even if it meant nothing at the time, but put together later it just might mean something important.

I remember Ben Needham's Mum and Grandparents did exactly that. Then again they were not offered the help or the money the McCanns were. They searched out of desperation and love for their child. I rest my case.

Di said...

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Di said...

I am still attempting to find anything credible that even remotely links Charles O'Neill to Madeleine McCann. It certainly appears as though every article written about the "potential" link stems from a few that came directly from the pen of Antonella Lazzeri

Now why does that not surprise me. I e-mailed Antonella months ago after she wrote a completely untrue article, I did not get the courtesy of a reply, not that I was expecting one.

Who is Antonella and what are her connections to Kate & Gerry?

There has to be a link somewhere, her articles are screaming Clarence, and I don't believe it is because they were/are journalists.

There is a connection with the tapas without a doubt.

Antonella is the only journalist who is writing disgraceful articles, twisting the truth and calling all bloggers....

This is one of her replies to bloggers.

Like I said if Madeleine's body is found and there is enough DNA to find the person who did it, you lot still won't believe it and will no doubt say it was all planted by Kate and Gerry. For God's sake leave them alone. You are the perpetrators of a vile witch hunt.
You all think you are armchair detectives, when a lot of the 'facts' you sieze on are actually mistakes written by journalists, or by other people. Why can't you find it in your hearts to leave the McCanns alone.
Why don't you use you powers of detective work to actually find who did this.

Antonella, perhaps it is because we already know!!

docmac said...

SB said:

"No, it is impossible for me to think of this woman as anything other than an abusive mother and an accomplice in a heinous crime."

and..

"Kate Mccann simply must have been involved, there is no other plausible explanation."

I can not agree more. I have been saying exactly the same for the past three years.

Hi Viv and all. Hope life is treating you all well.

S.B. said...

docmac......,

Delighted to make your acquaintance!

In the past Viv has educated me to a certain extent with regard to the effect that domestic violence, drug/alcohol abuse and child abuse by one parent/partner/friend, can have on a woman. I am in no position to contradict Viv as her opinions are based on her experience work wise and as a humanitarian. However I have made my thoughts quite clear in so far as Kate Mccann is concerned, being that I can find no reason to consider her as anything other than an evil, deceptive woman with absolutely no extenuating circumstances to exonerate her behaviour. I believe she was willingly involved in the disappearance of Madeleine and the subsequent subterfuge surrounding the whole case over the last three years.

It is not only the photographs of them on Madeleine’s 4th birthday that haunts me but I can not and will not forget that classic moment when, following a heart wrenching interview (you know, the usual arrogant hard-faced Gerry and poor wretched Kate), when the interview finished this distraught couple didn't realise the camera was still rolling exposing them exactly for what they are ~ frauds! I wonder how all those Mccann sympathizers out there can continue to be sucked-in by this modern day Bonnie and Clyde, one look at that video eliminates any doubt! In my opinion they are a prime example of pathological liars and villainous criminals.

I can't say they are two of a kind because I believe they have very conflicting personalities but that does not mean they are not both more than capable of committing a crime of this magnitude.

Di said...

Hi Doc

Good to see you.

I remember you were really upset when you found out how Madeleine met her demise. Is that still the same case Doc and the same scenario?

Di said...

Doc

I also agree Kate is the one to watch!

What I cannot understand is why they have had so much help be it political or otherwise.

I will never forget Kate during an interview in PDL, she looked like a frightened rabbit caught in the headlights.

That said it all for me, Kate knew she was guilty! However I am not discounting Gerry as I think he is a sly one and would fix Kate up without a worry.

docmac said...

Yes, SB. 'Evil' is an accurate description of that woman, IMO.

Hi Di

I firmly believe that the information that I was given is correct. I think Gerry was an accomplice, but it was not by his hand... The thing that still bothers me is the 'pact'. How many people KNOW the truth?

hope4truth said...

Hello Docamac

Hope you are well...

The day you posted what you were told about her dimise I felt physicaly sick and was extreamly upset as sometimes it is easy to forget that she was a tiny child and if your information was correct she must have been terified.....

Yet I have read a pro response to it cant even think all this time later which one of the puppets it was but not once did they say if it was true of course the McCanns should face justice it was pure spin overdrive.....

All this time later people are Kate to Karen although Karen coppied Kate she at least managed to look upset for a while (and she knew her daughter was well safe is the wrong word but knew she was alive)....

I honeslty belive if Shannon had not been found they would have had to kill her as it would be obvious she would come back and get them into serious trouble.....

But it is fine to leave Kate and Gerry to beg for money to pay their defence costs their PR team Media and Spin Dr..... It is ok that the Directors are claiming wages and they wasted over 300k on a con man even Clarance tried to spin they were pleased with what he did....

This is where it begins to fall apart..... People I work with now dont belive in an abduction, I have not talked about it much but some knew I blogged and was obsesed....

Now whilst I dont know what happend for sure if I say they paid a con man 300k and they are pleased with what he did and then go on to say but what could he have done he is a con man not a detective oh and he is being investigated for money laundering it looks totaly wrong....

They were shocked when I said Kate never answered a single question when she was taken in as an Arguida. Because if your child is really in danger you would answer everything.....

I also show the happy snaps on Maddies 4th Birthday which shock the hell out of people...

Justice will come and when it does I hope every single scum bag out there who thinks they have the right to do what they want to their children think if they got found out so will I and either start to respect their children or hand them over to sociat services to give them a chance....

hope4truth said...

sorry docmac

not sure where docamac came from lol

S.B. said...

Hi all......

Could somebody please provide a way for me to check-out Docmacs revelation about Madeleines fate ~ this is new to me.

Thanks!

S.B. said...

Hello again....,

I have just left mccannfiles having read the response by the Home Office to The Madeleine Foundations extensive previous request for information under the Freedom of Information Act.

Disregarding TB's extraordinary act of recklessness by communicating with the Home Office in the first place, it is quite interesting to read their references to the position they must uphold with regard to a case such as missing Madeleine Mccann. It is made perfectly clear that this is an ongoing investigation within the U.K. and to divulge information about the case could jeopardize the investigation, public opinion, international relations and the safety of the Mccann’s and their family.

Presuming this Home Office communication to be authentic what more proof do non-believers require to confirm that the investigation is ongoing and has not been archived/shelved by the U.K. authorities.

Apart from that it is rather entertaining to see TB silenced (?!?) with such strategic diplomacy.

Di said...

Hi all

Viv has always said this would be an ongoing investigation, and told all McCann believers there would be no way our judicial system would allow a 3 year old child to vanish off the face of the earth.

I have had correspondence with my MP and he kept telling me the case was ongoing.

I do wonder if the ongoing investigation is into the fraudulent fund. One thing I do know is the police don't like to be taken for fools.

docmac said...

Hi Hope, I felt the same way.

SB, I can not even find it myself now. Must have been 'whoosh-clucked'. Just like Maddie.

As an aside, the football World Cup is of course happening here right now. There has been a dramatic paradigm shift with regards to the protection of all kids attending any event even remotely connected to the 'show'. One can not enter a fan area or approach any stadium unless any and all children and parents in the party have been tagged and all contact information etc recorded. Even better, this has filtered through to many other areas - restaurants being one example. Fantastic stuff, I say. Kate and Gerry would have found it very hard to 'mislay' a child here.

viv said...

hiya guys doc gt to c u

5 wasp stings left hand mon nite when trying to remove nest nr kitchen, bad allergic reaction

great posts!

two hands again soon i hope

xxxx

docmac said...

Hi Viv

Great to see you again.

Cetirizine time. And no obscenities, eh! Sorry about the wasps, though it could have been worse out here in the African bundu :-)

docmac said...

Oh dear Lord. It was quite apparent 2 years ago that Rosie was planning a book. I had no idea it was already available. On Amazon too. Now hang on - was she not the one who was continually bitching about Portuguese people making money off the case? Even though the money was going to charity, as she claims her own royalties are?

Words fail me.

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hope4truth said...

Hello Square I know what you are saying Rosie is a silly man making money out of Maddie but I am sure he will donated it to the fund (Directors wont get paid from thin air you know) Will the McCanns thank him after all it is the pros argument that convinced me they covered up her death (which happend by intent or accident) or they gave her away well actually as we now see how important money is to them maybe sold her?.....

Hi Doc the book was available at Tesco it is odd that Amazon sell it as they wont touch Amarals book (then again they defended their right to sell a book for Peadophiles that told them their feelings were natural and the children just loved it) so would I guess Amaral would not fit in such a perverted catagory.....

Viv Ouch hope you are two handed again very soon xxx

Di said...

Hi Viv

That sounds nasty, I hope your hand is back to normal very soon.

Hi Doc

Thanks for confirming what you were told, and good to see you.

Hi Hope

I remember a poster, on 3A's I think, saying everytime they went to Tesco they picked up a copy of Rosies book and hid it in the frozen veg section.

S.B. said...

Hello Docmac......,

Without locating previous comments surely you can recollect enough to give me an indication of your knowledge or intuition. If it is classified information I will of course back-off.

Kate and Gerry could mislay a child anywhere without problem! ~ All thats needed is a foreign location, a bungling police force, a language barrier, a few trustworthy mates, a load of mobile phones, some mouldy sea bass, an extended family ~ abracadabra and gone!

Viv......., Are your ears buzzing? Nasty little blighters are wasps and they are not fussy where they pique, to be avoided if possible. I hope you are not incapacitated too much longer ~ was beginning to think you had absconded with your newly acquired riches! LOL...

viv said...

Thanks for your good wishes guys and my hand is now much better. As for the little blighters that done it, all that remains of them is the masses of powder Luke treated them to for hurting his mom, lol!

I am a wildlife lover but there is clearly a limit. Luke did notice that we once again have hedgehogs in the garden and showed me one very near to the backdoor the other night. I am delighted about this and had not seen any for about three years.

When returning from moms last night we saw four owls in flight and two little ones sat in a tree which I think were either baby Tawnies or Little Owls, then a badger shot out straight in front of the car from the undergrowth on a narrow lane and I just managed to miss him, this was before it was even dark. Clearly the warm weather is suiting all of our wild friends!

I have decided to get out of the garden and come and type because it is so hot and just because I can again now !

viv said...

Di, what a hilarious comment about freezing Rosie's book in with the vegetables. I did read that can be one way of humanely killing wasps (nasty things) and the association with vegetables, now I am sure you did not mean it that way, did you :-)))))

viv said...

Di, I am sure the fraud is a major part of the police investigation into this case, where as Doc, so clearly implies, the McCanns went abroad and quite deliberately "mislaid" their child.

If we take a look at what the McCanns have been doing of late to fundraise, if it is directly and supposedly to find Madeleine, it is taking place in Portugal. I am sure they do not willingly subject themselves to Sandra Filgueiras and her sneering disdain when responding to the incredulous explanations the McCanns still seek to persist in.

But the very low level fundraising happening in UK has a subtle difference, it is for missing kids in general,not just Madeleine. Could this be the McCanns way of continuing to try and defend themselves but also making sure that within the jurisdiction of the UK, where the fraud originated and a jurisdiction they are quite obviously subject to, they do not commit any further acts of fraud?

I think you could well be right!

To me, and I have said this from the very outset, this couple were intent on "cashing in" big time. SOCA who deal with very serious fraud have been involved in this case from the very outset. CEOP is a branch of SOCA, and it deals more specifically with the exploitation of children. If you get rid of a child you now perceive as a liability because of the way you have treated her, perhaps causing behavioural issues, like sleep disorder, temper tantrums, and then you seek to cash in on a major scale to "find" her again, exploitation of your child just cannot get any more serious than that.

Remember the massively ambitious fund raising in the earlier stages, oil companies, Everton, Beckham, Rowling, Branson. IMO, this was a high risk strategy, but nevertheless pretty slick and very carefully planned. It is just that the plods in Portugal and UK are not quite as stupid as Gerry presumed them to be.

viv said...

SB

TB has been told several times by UK authorities that this case is of course and ongoing investigation.

But of course he perceives them all as conspiratorial liars, intent on giving Kate and Gerry a big at on the back for costing both Britain and Portugal a fortune and putting a serious strain on our relationship with a country that has always been such a great ally to us. What is more anything that is printed at the behest of Team McCann in The Sun, The News of the World or the Daily Mirror is the absolute truth, erm, apparently.

So will he shut up? Somehow I doubt it, but he has certainly brought himself to the attention of those at the very highest levels, and if he thinks about that carefully for the all the worst reasons.

viv said...

Two of the reasons cited by the Home Office are the most pertinent IMO, public opinion and the safety of the McCanns.

If further information was disclosed they would be the subject of hate attacks by vigilantes and a fair trial would be quite impossible. But supposedly, TB, wants this all out in the open and he wants justice. I better not say any more!

There is also the very important issue of our relationship with Portugal which would be considered more important that even the death of Madeleine. Goncalo admits that vital forensic evidence was lost, UK authorities would not wish to see Portugal attacked for any mistakes they may have made that have led to further difficulties in prosecuting the McCanns.

Anyone with a grain of common sense would appreciate this case has to be kept confidential by UK authorities.

hope4truth said...

That is your problem Viv you assume TB has common sense LOL

It would not surprise me if TB was working for the McCanns they know one day there will be many questions asked and no way to sue the people asking them...

If he scuppers a trial they may be in the league of Karen Mathews and other crap parents and loose their house and custody of the twins but they will still have their freedom and like Katie Price will be able to sell crap to the press for a few quid to keep them in wine.....

3 years down the line their behaviour the waste of the fund along with the very odd things they have said and done in the name of a missing child it becomes clearer by the day she cant possibly have been abducted and all the people who were behind them have to sadly admit to themselves that they helped them get away with whatever it was they did to their child....

They may be able to bring her back but at 7 years old or older she will have a good idea of what happend to her and that thought scares me as I am convinced Shannon would have been killed if the police had not found her as it was obvious they could not bring her back.....

Lets just pray that people back a missing child instead of parents who are so proud to tell the world they left her alone even after she cried for them....

viv said...

Wizard said:
What the McCanns’ attempt to imply by saying, "there is absolutely nothing to suggest Madeleine has been harmed" is a tactic to raise the awareness of doubters that the police have no hard evidence that they harmed their daughter. If Madeleine had been taken by a stranger, as the Mc’s suggest, she most certainly would be harmed by now and most likely dead – but this scenario is ok from the campaign’s point of view because it wouldn’t be her parents who were culpable – which imo is what all of the publicity coming from the McCann camp is about. It wasn't us!!!


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Extremely well put Wiz, it was on that basis they reasoned it would be a good idea to fritter what was left in the Fund on the Pt actions against Goncalo which must have cost a fortune.

Many criminals try to use the bizarre reasoning that there is no hard evidence so the police cannot stick it on us. But the public are not so foolish they cannot see what the McCanns have always been about, causing distortion and confusion and then cashing in. There is a set pattern, play up the dog findings and then sue everyone is sight for as much as they can get. But when they finally turned on Goncalo Amaral they made a really fatal error. Bombastic greed always forces the errors and Gerry fell for it as he desperately struggled to continue to do what he set out to do, become mega rich out of getting rid of his own little girl and becoming the "Kate and Gerry Show" where the media actually want to keep on paying for the privilege of interviewing the gruesome twosome. Tough luck Gerry, this blog, the police, the general public, no one is in any doubt about you.

We all remember the cold hard figures set out, the price you put on your kids that Goncalo was supposedly going to pay, never in history, have a couple had their daughter abducted and then commenced a sue fest. You are bad news and people know it!

viv said...

Hiya Hope!

Well seriously I have been suggesting TB "bats for the McCanns" for a couple of years now, either that or he is a terminally stupid attention seeker, lol!

viv said...

and generally, a brilliant post again Hope, I think you just express so well, exactly what we all feel

xxx

S.B. said...

Viv, Glad to see you back………

I have been thinking this past week about circumstances surrounding the 'Fund'. It is difficult to understand how blatantly audacious and arrogant the Mccanns showed themselves to be following events on 3rd May 2007. 'Leave No Stone Unturned Limited' was created on 12th May 2007 and henceforth donation appeals sprang into action under the auspicious of "bringing Madeleine home safely". Whoever instigated the embryo fund must possess a remarkable sense of perception to realise at that stage that Madeleine would not instantly be located. Be it the Mccanns themselves or some part of their extended family, the purpose of the fund does not alter in its intention ~ to extract money from the public! The 'fund' therefore is instantly exposed to scrutiny as its origin and purpose is somewhat dubious.

What an extraordinary course of action to take almost immediately your child has mysteriously disappeared, almost as strange as the employment of lawyers! Now, if Madeleines disappearance was premeditated such a course of action might be explained.

Although we can't believe everything we read in the press I do like to think of the 'Times' as a reasonably reliable source of reporting. So, the original idea was to set-up a charity but this was rejected when it became clear that a charity cannot operate for the sole benefit of one person but according to the Times the Charity Commission denied this at a later date. One of the things that distinguishes a limited company from a charity is that it does not have all the rules and regulations which govern the conduct of fundraising and which controls the proportion of the charities funds spent on overheads, expenses and wages.

A very cunning strategy to adopt if one wants total control of the fund and it would appear that is exactly what the Mccanns intended. That is only the start! From then on we are informed, albeit vaguely, about the vast sums of money donated and the ways in which expenditure is apportioned. Lawyers exorbitant charges, image consultants, private detectives, publicity, campaign expenses, merchandise, website upkeep ~ all the millions raked-in but not much left for the little girl that has mysteriously disappeared from the face of the earth. Was that not the original purpose of the 'fund'?

I know this has all been said before but I couldn't resist the temptation to highlight the obvious..........

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

I know you belive Bennett could well bat for the other side as it were just had a panic you thought he had any sense let alone common LOL

SB

Good post.... The setting up of the company 9 days after she went missing was another thing that should have rang major alarm bells (well it did with a lot of people) how could they not know she would not be found at any time....

9 seconds with your child out of sight is hell 9 days must feel like forever and I cant imagine the terror and hope I never have to go through it myself (bad enough when we lost the dog for a few hours).....

They did not need a Ltd Company with Uncle John leading the way chucking in a well paid job to do so she could have been found the next day and he would have been unemployed????

The family can say nothing would matter if she was found what is a job if your nice is safe..... But he did not do it for free he claimed a wage from a fund to find a missing child.....

I can honeslty say if any of my family asked to be paid to help find my child and people had been generous enough to give me money to find my child I would never speak to them again Money grabbing scum.....

Then again the parents are now Directors and have used most of the fund to pay for their defence and find reasons why they are not guilty so I guess it must run in the family...

hope4truth said...

Actually after three years another thing I have been brainwashed with has just smacked me in the face....

Thanks SB

They set up a ltd company as a charity cant benefit one person?

That is very odd as a friends Son is in a wheelchair and a charity was set up to raise money for an electric one for him.... It may have been done so if they raised too much money the extra could be passed to other children but then the same could apply to Maddie if they raised too much they could share it with other missing children....

But they dont like to share do they???

Kates miss quoted ebay picture for PACT sold for just over £200 can you imagine what they could do with a third of the money the McCanns have spent defending themselves????

After all they have done nothing wrong so why do they need lawyers...

S.B. said...

Evening Hope.....,

I have never doubted that a vast proportion of the fund has been laundered and forms part of the Mccann’s 'get rich quick' strategy. If you look at it logically, what earthly good is there raising large sums of money to search for a missing child and supposedly bring it back home to safely. What benefit is there? There is an authority called 'the police force' that are more than capable of investigating a child’s disappearance, abducted or otherwise. This is all done at the expense of the tax payer so why expect the populace to contribute to a bogus charity when they are already paying for the services of the police, who are legally authorised to investigate crime. What can a private investigator, a lawyer, an image consultant, a spin doctor possibly do to assist with the investigation of crime? The answer is nothing ~ which makes the Mccanns audacious arrogance even more astounding!

As you rightly point out, what kind of idiot would give up paid employment to join what would appear on the surface such a precarious position with no assured future? Of course he must have been aware from the outset that his future was secure.

What never ceases to amaze me is the fact that the Mccanns and their band of merry men care nothing about public opinion and the way in which we perceive their motives. You would expect them to be far more reserved with their machinations rather than flaunting themselves and literally inviting suspicion and criticism. Is this the uncontrollable flaw in Gerald’s personality? It seems to me that if this be the case then half his clan of relations and friends must be of similar tendencies as they also openly invite scrutiny and criticism. Are they all really as dexterous as they would have us believe or are they just not capable of perpetuating the monster they have created? At the outset of this delusion did they not calculate the possible reaction of the authorities and populace? Did they truly believe that the world would ignore the miserable fate of a little 3 year old child in preference to lauding two model parents who are the victims of a terrible tragedy and should be financially rewarded accordingly? I just can't believe they are that stupid ~ or more to the point I can't believe they think we are that stupid!

Whatever we prefer to think one thing is for certain ~ the 'fund' is fraudulent and the authorities know that better than we!

Di said...

Hi Viv

Glad you are back and all is well with your hand.

Frozen book, veg and wasps, no I had not taken that take on it lol.

I have always wondered what is the purpose of wasps? Other than to cause havoc. My daughter does a fantastic impression of John McCririck at the sight of anything buzzing near her which is always good for a laugh.

How lucky are you to see so much wildlife on your way home. Sadly all the badgers we see here are lying in the ditches.

S.B. said...

Hi Viv..........,

It has been said on many occassions by different people that the safe return of a living Madeleine would be the only end worthy of gratification in this sad affair but I regret to say I cannot agree with this line of reasoning.

Whether we consider the worst possible scenario or indeed the less likely chance that she may have been transfered to a caring environment, still she must be permanently scarred mentally which to my way of thinking is a fate worse than death. The thought of being subjected to a life of mental torture occassioned by a very traumatic experience in early years is just too frightening to contemplate. Even for an adult such a life could prove to be unbearable but for a child it is something that I can not hope for, hard as it might seem I prefer to know that a child is at peace rather than living a life of torment.

It is certainly a very disturbing thought that she could be returned to her parents so we can at least thank justice for ensuring that will never happen!

Di said...

Hi Hope & S.B

I have always been convinced, as I have said before, that money laundering is a major factor of the fund. If only the money trail could be followed.

I have always had my suspicions as to why someone like Brian Kennedy would become so involved with a couple he
did not know. I also became further suspicious when his son Patrick became involved, attending meetings with witnesses etc., why?

There are so many things which just don't add up with this case anymore, Madeleine just seems to be an afterthought. It is just about money, saving face and nothing else. So so sad.

Di said...

Apologies if this has been posted before. I was trying to find anything regarding Kevin Halligen and this came up.

link

docmac said...

SB

"Kate and Gerry could mislay a child anywhere without problem! ~ All thats needed is a foreign location, a bungling police force, a language barrier, a few trustworthy mates, a load of mobile phones, some mouldy sea bass, an extended family ~ abracadabra and gone!"

Exactly. And according to someone who was there on the night, this is exactly what happened. Minus the bungling police force and the mouldy bass, of course.

viv said...

Ah The Times, not always so accurate although I am sure they try, it depends upon their source of course and how biased the reporter may be to make his point. The text below is taken from an article dated 16 December 2007, as we know from the PJ file there was no happy group meal for the children that night, not for the McCann children anyway. Then we have the rambling account of David Payne and how he dodged the two he had walked back up from the Paraiso Restaurant with, Mat Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, because he just had to go and talk to Gerry who was playing tennis, what with that achilles tendon injury?

If there is one thing that marks out a pack of liars and a key feature the police check for, every time the story gets told, it is different. Lies are told to cover something they believe is damning and then when they are confronted with evidence of those lies, yet more lies are told.

"Gerry had knocked up at the start of the 4.30pm tennis-drills session, but had decided not to exacerbate an injury to his Achilles tendon, so had dropped out and waited around by the courts until the children came back from the kids’ clubs at 5pm for tea. That had been one of the most enjoyable times of the holiday, all the children together for tea, then the adults playing with them afterwards."

viv said...

Here is another little extract, it is quite remarkable what we can see with the benefit of hindsight and a good look at the PJ file.



From September 2007 and continuing through into 2008, the whole time the McCanns were arguidos there were all these quite incredible, exculpatory stories in the press. Little did Gerry realise, I presume, that later, the general public would have the benefit of actually reading the true evidence including what he gave to the police at the time.

Notice here how he seeks to explain away the fact that in his first police statement (the very next day on 4 May) he says they both entered the apartment through the front door with their key, surely he would have been pretty certain of such an important point the very next day. But no, on 10 May he makes a further statement insisting that he was mistaken and in fact they entered via the rear door that they were leaving open. Presumably just in case any passing paedophiles fancied popping by and inspecting the unprotected "valuables" inside, the McCanns three kids. I do sometimes seriously struggle at what this couple expect the public to swallow and the police!
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"He was followed by Gerry, who entered his apartment at about 9.05 through the patio doors to the lounge. Earlier that week the McCanns had used a key to go in through the front door next to the children’s bedroom but, worrying the noise might wake the children, they began using the patio doors, leaving them unlocked.

When he entered the apartment, Gerry immediately saw that the children’s bedroom door, which they always left just ajar, was now open to 45 degrees. He thought that was odd, and glanced in his own bedroom to see if Madeleine had gone into her parents’ bed. But no, she and the twins were all still fast asleep.

Gerry paused over Madeleine, who – a typical doctor’s observation, this – was lying almost in “the recovery position” with Cuddle Cat, the toy her godfather, John Corner, had bought her, and her comfort blanket up near her head, and Gerry thought how gorgeous, how lovely-looking she was and how lucky he was. Putting the door back to five degrees, he went to the loo and left to return to the restaurant. That, of course, was the last time he would see his daughter. "

viv said...

Turning a key in a front door is much noisier than sliding a patio door back, apparently??

Hands up who can tell me which they find the quietest in their own experience!

But hey, how considerate of the McCanns to want to sneak about and not wake their kids up as they apparently "checked" them, just as the non existent listening service would have done. Again, something Rosie made such a point of. How terribly kind of the McCanns to leave their kids in an unlocked apartment, facing onto a dangerous patio with a 10 feet drop to the garden below and even pop back every 30 minutes or was it an hour and a half to make sure they had not fell into the garden.

I suppose if you got enough New Zealand plonk down your neck, the thought of the danger those kids were in would just completely slip your mind...

docmac said...

Ah yes, Viv. The 'recovery position'. How astute. And what a very odd thing to say... I wanted to say more about how 'lovely-looking' she might have appeared to him, but I am too tired. OK, what the heck. The VERY recently deceased do have a rather serene and beautiful 'facies'.

xx

viv said...

But I think Gerry was telling the truth on 4 May and they were of course using their front door key to get in and out of the apartment. The Police interviewed other people who had holidayed there and they all said the same, you could not use the patio dor to go in and out because it only locked from the inside.

With no damage to the front door or the window, sly Kate was immediately telling the police the next day the patio doors were left open. For telling lies, she seems more prepared than him.

viv said...

Hiya Doc,

Another thing I thought was odd, in one of Gerry's multi faceted accounts of what actually happened, she lay on top of the bed clothes and he did not bother to cover her because it was a warm night.

But a check of the weather confirms that even by day it was on 17 to 20 degrees, in fact currently much hotter in UK! And that pain in the neck who never gets her lines straight, Jane Tanner, has oft said, it was so cold, she had Russell's big baggy jumper on, complete with flip flops.

Clearly Gerry needs to provide an answser for every discrepancy. The major one here being little Maddie never got into her bed at all that night, she was already gone. But dead, I do not know. The argumentative planning of the holiday by David Payne, Gerry paying their air fares and his own rather than taking the flight included with the holiday and those immediately to hand 6 x 4 pictures tell me this was planned disappearance, perhaps kidnap and murder but certainly arrnged by her own parents.

viv said...

Hiya Di

Wasps are good for the garden because they cart off insects that prey on your plants, like aphids on roses and if the nest had not been so near the house I would have tried to leave it alone.

If we were to stick to the main road way back from moms we would be less likely to see wildlife but still sometimes do see badgers and owls. But Luke and I deliberately go through the lanes where we know we are very likely to see these fantastic creatures. Even so, seeing 6 owls is an absolute record!

I know how easy it is to hit badgers because I have many times had to do an emergency stop and sadly quite recently did actually hit one, but it was dazed and then recovered. They move much slower than foxes and have poor eyesight. Additionally they tend to come straight out of grass or woodland so the driver has no warning.

There is a golf club near me where there are badgers that we regularly see and this is where I actually hit one. Since that time Luke and I set a speed limit for me of 25 mph through that area, but other drivers do not seem to comprehend why I am doing that, some even furiously overtaking! I have seen a badger dead at that point and many on the main roads, but not so many as I see in Wiltshire when visiting my sister, far more dead than alive as you say. It is a terrible tragedy and I wish more could be done to help save them from so many road casualties.

S.B. said...

Viv........,

Eaten up with jealousy reading your exploits pursuing U.K. flora and fauna I decided to see what delights I could see from the balcony. Don't get too excited, it's more of a ledge really with a railing to stop you ending up on the pavement below.

Well, apart from an enormously fat seagull flying over, over the road is a teenage boy making obscene gestures in my direction. A poor unfortunate street dweller is half in and half out of the communal dustbin down below in quest of I don't know what. Half a dozen street kids are stagering along the middle of the road sampling the questionable benefits of substance snorting. The local cafes are oozing at the seams presumably with football fanatics watching the television and there is a solitary wasp buzzing about my head. I guess I should be thankful for small mercies.

Ho-hum ~ back to my computer!

S.B. said...

Viv....,

Precisely, the press in my opinion are not a reliable source of information. Journalists are of course often reliant on whoever is providing information so accuracy of reporting is tenuous to say the least. Although I only have access to TimesOnline I have noticed over a period of time it seems to have lowered it's standards to compete to a certain extent with the tabloids. For this reason, as before stated I try to base my opinions on information that we know to be fact or that which comes from a reliable source ~ if possible!

Gerry's paternal observations when looking at his sleeping three year old daughter, if it be true, I consider to be rather disturbing. Perhaps "lying almost in the recovery position" is a typical doctor’s observation of their own sleeping child but to me it appears rather perverse. Gerry thought how gorgeous, lovely looking she was and how lucky he was! When supposedly checking on all three children, why did Madeleine dominate his attention, why not the twins? Were they not there?

Going back to the press, they do like to include the 'human' element together with a little sensationalism when reporting so maybe much of what appeared to be Mccann support was merely following their normal code of journalism.

S.B. said...

Docmac......,

Thanks! you've said all I need to know!

viv said...

Hiya SB

It sounds like Morocco is very different to rural Warwickshire and you are a very good observer of human life in all its nuances, no doubt why we get such good posts from you.

I suppose typical fifties kids my elder sister and I were allowed a lot of freedom to go out and roam the woods and parklands when we were quite little. I imagine that is what gives us both this fascination with the countryside and wildlife, to the point where we both make sure we have frogs in the garden, transporting them if we move! My younger brother is not particularly interested in wildlife and nature and neither are my parents, mom just loves her garden to look fab but it must be neat and under control. She will not sit in my own for fear of a frog! I think my dad from what I can remember just liked nice scenery and a nice garden provided he had to do no more than mow the lawn!

I am going to Egypt for a week in November with my sister Linda, at the same hotel as mom and george although they are staying for a fortnight. At the moment it is pretty sizzling here though!

viv said...

Hiya again SB and Doc

Lying in the recovery position, looked gorgeous, I have seen other adjectives used like beautiful.

I always have this feeling at the bad of my mind that Gerry's cynical and mocking character comes out in many of these remarks.

It is certainly a highly unnatural thing to comment upon in the circumstances of supposedly Madeleine being stolen by paedophiles. She is beautiful, she looked gorgeous. I wonder what the real motivation is behind these remarks. It is some half baked attempt to tell us that as a paedophile entered and saw this gorgeous little girl, just lying on the top of the bed he found her irresistible. Or is Gerry letting his inner feelings show again? Or is he just obsessed with marketing his "product". Perhaps a combination of all three, but as you say, why did he not observe the twins and think how lovely they are too.

I think others have pointed out that whilst Madeleine is a cute and fairly pretty looking little girl, the descriptions used by Jon Corner and Gerry McCann just do not naturally fit her or a three year old. It is just very sinister.

viv said...

* back of my mind!

viv said...

I think what I mean is did Gerry think to himself he was lucky to have her because she is "beautiful"?

How typical to single out a marketable aspect of a child, particularly when made up with tinted immaculate red hair and matching red dress.

What parent thinks they are lucky to have their child because they are "beautiful"? He just does not do abstract thinking does he, all is what can be "used". Rigid, dogmatic, distorted - normal thinking deficits.

S.B. said...

Viv........,

It is so easy to be seduced by the mystical ambiance of an Islamic state which is exactly what happened to me, I am now ashamed to admit. However it was not my specific intention to remain here for ever but circumstances have hampered my return to the U.K. so I am stuck in a situation I long since regret having occasioned. Many disgruntled persons make the same mistake of thinking that there is a paradise on earth but of course the reality is something quite different. The perfumed air, tranquillity, climate and apparent hospitality of the natives is alluring as a tourist but the hard facts as a resident reveal the true nasty sordid side. The other mans grass is always greener? What grass?

I was actually born in south London where I lived until my father bought a house in the country when I was 17. During childhood I spent many hours roaming about the sites of London but I loved to spend time in the countryside. Once living in the country I was in my element although never privileged to witness the variety of things you mention. I loved working in the garden, bought myself a greenhouse and cultivated plants for the garden. Eventually through some ridiculous brainstorm I decided to leave England ~ partly because my mother was desperate to be shot of my father and partly because I was feeling disillusioned with the U.K., so we left ~ and here we are still!

My advice to anybody who gets the itch to seek pastures new, if you are really serious then be sure that you have somewhere to return to if the need be otherwise you could end up like me!