26 Oct 2009

IMMEDIATE LIES FLAT BROKEN INTO SAYS JOHN MCCANN

Using this picture, once again being used by Everton and the McCanns, the BBC on 10 May 2007 say Maddie has been missing for a week.
Last Updated: Thursday, 10 May 2007, 21:48 GMT 22:48 UK
CCTV checked in Madeleine search
Madeleine McCann in an Everton FC shirt
Madeleine has been missing for a week
Police in Portugal hunting for missing British girl Madeleine McCann are checking several CCTV images.

Chief Inspector Olegario de Sousa held a news conference to give more details of the search for the three-year-old.

He said the ground search was being scaled back as the results had been "zero", and no arrests had been made.

Items of clothing found locally did not belong to Madeleine, he said. A picture of the pyjamas she was wearing when she vanished has been released.

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared from an apartment in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, a week ago.

Police with dogs searched the McCann's apartment again on Thursday evening, while the family chose to remain at a police station outside the Algarve town.

Police said it is the final time they will search the block to look for clues. The wider search in the area will end in the next few days.

Mr Sousa said Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and several of their British friends had been interviewed again on Thursday, but there were "no suspicions on them".

On scaling back the ground search, he said police and volunteers had searched a 200sq-km (77sq-mile) area - and some locations more than once.

Image of the pyjamas Madeleine was wearing when she disappeared
Madeleine was wearing pink Eeyore pyjamas when she disappeared

Mr Sousa insisted he was doing everything he could to find the little girl, but so far from the ground search "the results are zero".

Local media have been reporting that police had examined footage taken at a petrol station, thought to be of two men and a woman driving a car with a British number plate, on the night of the Madeleine's disappearance.

And in the UK, Crimestoppers said it had passed on 35 "useful pieces of information" to Leicester police, who lead the UK side of the inquiry.

Police refused to confirm or deny reports about any possible leads, citing Portuguese law which prohibits them from releasing any information about an ongoing investigation.

But Mr Sousa did say "images of video surveillance" had been collected from several locations "in order to check possible leads that may have been recorded".

Investigators had asked locals if they recognised an image of a possible suspect, described by one shopkeeper as being very sketchy and looking only like "an egg with hair".

Prayer vigils

Madeleine's mother has attended a church service for her daughter in Praia da Luz.

Another service was held later on Merseyside, organised by friends of the family and led by Father Paul Seddon, who married the McCanns and baptised Madeleine.

Kate McCann is blessed by Father Haynes Hubbard at a church service for missing Madeleine in Praia da Luz

On Friday, a vigil is planned in Glasgow, where Madeleine's father comes from.

And Celtic and Aberdeen footballers will show their support for the McCann family by wearing yellow armbands during their match on Saturday.

Earlier, photographs of Madeleine wearing an Everton FC shirt were released by the club.

Team captain Phil Neville said: "Everton has fans all over the world and I know that they, along with everyone connected with the football club, are hoping and praying for Madeleine's safe return."

'Entirely safe'

Madeleine's grandmother, Susan Healy, from Liverpool, said Portuguese police made mistakes at the start of their investigation, possibly because they were "inexperienced".

However, the British ambassador to Portugal, John Buck, said he had been assured by Portuguese authorities that "everything possible" was being done.

Petrol station near Praia da Luz where police have gathered CCTV
Police have taken CCTV footage from this petrol station close to Praia da Luz

Meanwhile, Madeleine's uncle, John McCann, from Glasgow, countered criticism from those who say the couple were wrong to leave their children alone in their apartment while they ate dinner at a nearby restaurant.

"If you look at the layout of that place, it was entirely safe. The issue at stake here was, that the flat was broken into, and wee Madeleine was abducted," he told BBC Radio Five Live.

British child abduction experts have flown to Portugal to assist the investigation.

Superintendent Graham Hill of Surrey police, who investigated the disappearance and murder of Surrey schoolgirl, Milly Dowler, is among them.

The UK's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), which works to tackle child sex abuse, has launched a poster campaign appealing for information on Madeleine's disappearance.

It is asking people to display the posters, which can be downloaded from its website at www.ceop.gov.uk.

The international number for Crimestoppers is +44 1883 731 336. People with information about Madeleine can call anonymously.

Map of Luz Ocean complex
The complex where Madeleine disappeared

35 comments:

viv said...

This picture was one of the 6 x 4 pictures that Gerry had with him, in duplicate, to immediately hand to the police.

Strange how he had the foresight to take them with him to PDL. I am sure he will forgive me for saying, it is like he KNEW she was going to be abducted. Odd that.

But it is nice that Everton are being so helpful in the search, as they always were.

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

Very strange that he shold just have that picture to hand but then everything is very strange...

the below comment from Uncle John is odd "If you look at the layout of that place, it was entirely safe. The issue at stake here was, that the flat was broken into, and wee Madeleine was abducted," he told BBC Radio Five Live.

Well what layout was he looking at then because when I first saw the layout on their own Panorama programe I was shocked at just how far away they were from the apartmetnt and they could hardley see it at all as their friend the cameraman pointed out by zooming in and out on it. In the dark it was not visable at all...

Selfish and useless parents the pair of them maybe they did have her adopted or she was killed in a fit of rage or had an accident trying to find them we may never know...

What I do know is a Mother who speaks in an alomost pround manor of her child asking her why she did not come when she and her baby brother were crying the night before and telling the world they even thought about taking the children but in the end really could not be bothered too is heartless...

Or maybe that is a better version than Madeleine crying for well over an hour shouting Daddy Daddy why would she need to shout for her Daddy???? Do we have a timeline for Kates movements that night where was she and if she was anywhere near the apartment what the hell was she doing there to upset her child so much?

I only come to the above conclusion because if my child were missing having to say the words out loud that I had let her down would tear me apart for being a selfish neglectful Mother who though more of her friends than her children...

viv said...

MADDIE McCann was a “mail-order kid” snatched by a scarfaced North African crime lord, according to explosive new claims revealed today.

Police are now hunting an Algerian mafia boss who allegedly bragged to British associates in Portugal just weeks after the child’s disappearance.

He told them he had snatched Madeleine in a £100,000 “steal-to- order” kidnap plot.

And the Daily Star Sunday can reveal that police are set to quiz two jailed British gangsters believed to have heard his shock claims.

After a tip-off from underworld sources, detectives want to quiz Liverpool drug baron Paul Bennett, 45 – behind bars for perverting justice after going on the run for eight years in the Algarve.

They are also keen to talk to James Neil, 40, a business partner of Bennett and an associate of caged Notts drug baron Colin Gunn.

Both men and our source – who is also a top-level gangster – were running a lucrative entertainment protection racket in Portugal.

A shadowy Algerian, who went by the names Younis and Tariq and was staying in Albufeira, allegedly tried to muscle in with his Moroccan-based mob.

Our source, who was based just 15 minutes from the Praia da Luz resort from where two-year-old Maddie was abducted in May 2007, said: “This fella heard what Bennett was doing and wanted a slice.

“He was a nasty piece of work – a heavy-hitter drug dealer who also talked about mail-order kids.

“The kids were nicked to order – snatched and delivered to wealthy people for big cash payouts.

“Bennett and Jamie thought they could negotiate with this guy but he was just looking at them thinking that they were a couple of big, roast chickens and he was going to gobble the lot up.

“In one meeting, before Maddie vanished, the Algerian said he’d taken kids from other parts of Europe and sold them on to rich families in Morocco.

“After Maddie was gone, we had another business meeting and he just came right out with it and said he and his team had done Maddie.

1995 to heroin distribution they were sentenced to 18 years in jail.

But 11 months later they were granted a royal pardon by then home secretary Michael Howard on the advice of officials convinced their “cooperation” over the weapons find was genuine.

Haase is one of seven people awaiting trial over allegations he and his criminal contacts planted the weapons.

in Liverpool Echo, 29.11.07

Note: "Daily Star Sunday can reveal that police are set to quiz two jailed British gangsters believed to have heard his shock claims" and in the second article we learn that "The following January they were registered as official informers by HM Customs.". Make your own conclusion.

viv said...

“The Algerian said Maddie had been taken away by ferry and joked about mail-order kids again.

“I don’t think he was bothered whether she was sold to paedophiles or just a family.

“He was only interested in the money. It was around 100 grand.”

The Algerian – black, with cropped hair and facial scars – is “known to police in Portugal”.

Last night a police spokesman in Leicestershire where the McCanns live, said: “We have no comment to make.”

in Daily Star, 25.10.09

Read as well:

Gangster Paul Bennett freed after eight years on the run across Europe

A NOTORIOUS Liverpool gangster was freed from a Portuguese prison after fighting extradition back to the UK. Fugitive Paul Bennett was arrested in June on the Algarve after eight years on the run. But today the 42-year-old from Anfield was a free man after time ran out and Portuguese officials had to let him go.

Bennett was wanted by detectives who suspected him of being involved in a con which led to him and associate John Haase being given a royal pardon in 1996.

He fled the UK in 1999 after police uncovered a cannabis farm in Manchester.

After his arrest at Faro airport he fought the Metropolitan police’s attempts to bring him home. His extradition case and subsequent appeal was heard by both the Supreme and Constitutional courts in Portugal.

But before a decision was reached on the second appeal the time limit for keeping Bennett in custody expired and under Portuguese law he was set free. The ruling is seen as a massive blow for the Met who have already charged 58-year-old Haase, originally from Everton, with perverting the course of justice.

Bennett was released from prison in Beja but few in Liverpool’s underworld expect him to come back to Merseyside. A Foreign Office spokesman said: “Paul Bennett was released from detention when his custody time limit expired.

“He had appealed against his extradition and under Portuguese law the authorities had no alternative but to let him go free when that time limit was up.”

Bennett and Haase were originally arrested in 1993 by customs officers investigating a massive heroin trafficking plot. The following January they were registered as official informers by HM Customs. It led to two “massive” weapons seizures, including 150 firearms and explosives, being made on Merseyside.

After pleading guilty in June

viv said...

1995 to heroin distribution they were sentenced to 18 years in jail.

But 11 months later they were granted a royal pardon by then home secretary Michael Howard on the advice of officials convinced their “cooperation” over the weapons find was genuine.

Haase is one of seven people awaiting trial over allegations he and his criminal contacts planted the weapons.

in Liverpool Echo, 29.11.07

Note: "Daily Star Sunday can reveal that police are set to quiz two jailed British gangsters believed to have heard his shock claims" and in the second article we learn that "The following January they were registered as official informers by HM Customs.". Make your own conclusion.

viv said...

Hiya Hope!

The comment from Uncle John about the layout is very strange indeed, not only does he talk about a break in when there plainly was no breakin.

He says the layout meant it was really safe. That again, is just a blatant lie. In fact the position of the McCanns' apartment was the most vulnerable one of the lot, right on the street.

When you think of the copious emails David Payne had with Mark Warner prior to going that does seem very strange indeed.

Maybe it is just me, but the only time I have engaged in email correspondence with a hotel etc was when my step father was very ill abroad and had to go to hospital.

In the course of booking a hotel, have you ever entered into lengthy and even what are described as argumentative emails?

I believe it was important to be sure there was no baby listening service there and also to ensure the McCanns got that apartment and perhaps also the Paynes got the one higher up. Who knows what they could see from that vantage point?

viv said...

Everton, that word just keeps cropping up, along with Maddie in her Everton top.

Funny Everton paid for those 6000 t shirts.

Makes you wonder how some of these football clubs actually do acquire all of their funds!

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

I have never e mailed a hotel in my life unless it was to book it...

If the hotel did not have the child care Payne was looking for why still go there???

xxx

viv said...

Hiya Hope

That is the really strang thing isn't it, there was all this talk about the Mark Warner concept and child listening service. But what they did prior to going was to establish very clearly that due to the sprawling nature of the complex and free access to those who were not resident there, there was no such service.

I do think this is key to what David Payne and Gerry McCann planned and also why Kate just had a bad feeling and really did not want to go. Maybe those plans were just a bit too outlandish for her. Maybe she heard enough in 2005 about the perverted little fantasies Gerry and Payne liked to engage in about two year old Madeleine. It is hard to conceive that some adults really are that perverted, but they are. There are no class or educational distinctions with paedophiles, as we know they get everywhere. Rich people, politicians, doctors, judges, solicitors, wealthy businessmen, sportsmen.

viv said...

22 years for perverting the course of justice after a massive police investigation that took four years.


Who says Kate and Gerry are in the clear!

'Supergrass' drug barons jailed

John Haase was jailed for 22 years at Southwark Crown Court


The hoodwinking of a home secretary
Two drug barons who were spared lengthy jail terms by posing as supergrasses, have been jailed for perverting the course of justice.

John Haase, 59, and Paul Bennett, 44, had tipped off police about 150 guns hidden around the UK.

But some detectives started to doubt the authenticity of the information.

At Southwark Crown Court Haase was jailed for 22 years and Bennett for 20 after they were convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

Both men were originally jailed for 18 years in 1995 for smuggling heroin but they were freed early after the trial judge alerted the authorities to the help they had given in uncovering arms hidden around the UK.

Their "unique" co-operation, tipping of the authorities about guns, resulted in royal pardons and early freedom.

They were released in 1996 after the then-Home Secretary Michael Howard signed a Royal Prerogative of Mercy.

Haase's wife, Deborah, 37, of Knowsley, Merseyside, whose fingerprints were found on a black bin bag in one of the seizures, was also found guilty of the main charge in addition to possessing firearms and ammunition.

'Sophisticated' offence

A second woman, Sharon Knowles, 36, of Wadeson Road, Merseyside, was also linked to two of the finds and found guilty of taking part in the plot which the judge described as a "deliberate plan to deceive the courts".

Mr Justice Cooke told them: "You have all been convicted of conspiring to pervert the course of justice in a unique and sophisticated way.

viv said...

It is a very serious offence. It strikes at the basis of our whole system of justice in this country by seeking to subvert it."

The court heard how Mr Haase provided "leads" about guns which had in fact been planted at the request of him and Mr Bennett.


Paul Bennett was jailed for 20 years

In 1993, while on remand awaiting sentencing in connection with a large consignment of heroin, Haase and Bennett came up with the plan.

But Mr Haase told the court he had paid friends on the outside for information they gleaned from the underworld about guns, drugs, and other criminality.

During the six-week trial there was also a claim that Mr Howard was paid a £400,000 bribe to push the "early release" plot.

Peter Kilfoyle, Labour MP for Liverpool Walton, gave evidence during the trial and said Haase told him about the payment when he visited him in jail.

Mr Kilfoyle told the court he visited Haase in Whitemoor Prison in Cambridgeshire in 2004, when the defendant made a sworn affidavit admitting that accomplices planted guns across Merseyside and the North West of England.

Police had doubts about the authenticity of their "finds", which included an array of 150 handguns, rifles and machine guns.

'Hugh lessons'

Fearing the pair would be assassinated by underworld figures for their betrayal, the then judge at Liverpool Crown Court jailed them for 18 years but later wrote to Mr Howard recommending that their sentences be cut.

Haase and Bennett were released after 11 months .

Speaking after the case, Mr Kilfoyle called for an independent inquiry into the affair.

He said there were "huge lessons which need to be drawn from this about how we treat informants and how the courts handle the information from them".

Detective Superintendent Graham McNulty, who led the four-year investigation, said Haase had displayed "a high degree of sophistication and a cunning nature".

He said it was a "virtually unique case" and that the informant system had changed considerably in the years following Haase's first conviction.

But this time the jury took just five hours to unanimously convicted them of conspiring to pervert the course of justice.


They fooled the police into thinking they had become supergrasses

viv said...

If Michael Howard did get a £400,000 bung that is going to be very embarassing for the conservatives. I always did loathe him!

hope4truth said...

Hi viv

I know I keep saying the same thing over and over but how the hell have the McCann's got the support they have???

Baby Peter's Mother dropped her leave to apeal yesterday I think finaly the evil bitch may have realised she is not the victim people dont feel sorry for her and dont understand why she allowed the torture inflicted on her child to continue. I would like to think the evil woman has some remorse guilt and regret and realises she should probebly spend the rest of her life behind bars for what she has done. But I wont hold my breath for the last bit..

Yet we have Kate McCann who has told the world yes she did neglect her children on a nightly basis. Yes Madeleine did cry but she did it all over again. No she did not feel guilty and was sleeping very well.

Yet when you look at this whole sorry tale without the neglect Madeleine could not be missing. So the McCann's are responsible for leaving their child in danger...

In fact they are so proud of the Neglect the logical reason for this in my mind is to say they neglected the children is covering up for something much much worse and allowing the abduction story.

I am not a Tony Bennett fan but read his website is still running in the states and CR have issued more demands against him.

Amaral has all the assests from the book seized and he is asking for help for a defence fund?

The Truth of the Lie is bassed on the investigation and facts ok maybe he should not have written it but to be honest in his position when it was so obvious the parents were lying and have powerful friends I may have been tempted to do the same....

The statements dont add up, the timeline does not work, the T7 wont help in any way even the Mother wont answer a single question for her child and they expect the world to find their child when the last thing they have done is help do just that in any way????

Madeleine is the Victim she is also a ward of court and as such should be put first by this country and the investigation should be re opened and the T7 re interviewed under caution for child neglect if nothing else.. Kate and Gerry should be re interviewed and all of their assets seized and gone through with a fine tooth comb...

A fund of Millions is nearly gone and as it was for Madeleine I think a lot of people would like to know where each and every penny has been spent. If Amaral can have his car seized for writing a book with the opinion the parents know exactly what happend to their child he is expresing the views of millions of people...

How many parents out there with missing children are watching the McCann's and thinking if they just had £1000 to help find their child they would be pleased and how many parents of missing children have spent thousands on expensive lawyers? Madeleine does not need lawyers all she ever needed was Love and Care. From the way she was treated before she vanished to the way they have played with her life/memory since she vanished they are no better than the Mother of Baby Peter they too have just stood back and left her to rot in hell...

Once again I really cant belive they are so evil that if their was a 0.5% chance she was findable they would not have answered every question and helped the PJ in any way they could.

viv said...

Hiya Hope

I am glad Baby P's mother has dropped her appeal. It is time she started facing up to the fact that as a mother it was her job to keep that little boy safe, rather than do that, she allowed him to be tortured to death.

There are paralells here to be drawn with Kate and Gerry, it was their duty to keep little Madeleine safe and they failed to do that. Just like the average criminal, they refuse to accept that responsibility. That is frustrating and annoying to everyone who is interested in the case.

They also flagrantly abuse the law, regardless of the rights or wrongs. They have scuttled back to the country and gone on TV to admit serious child neglect, but the facts only, not that they themselves admit that is what it amounted to. They behave like any common criminal in failing to accept responsibility for their own actions. From day one, Kate and Gerry were castigating the Portuguese Police as though, it was, in some way, their fault.

They completely ignore the fact that any normal parent would have made damned sure nothing could happen to little Madeleine. But they know they cannot be prosecuted for neglect in UK, because, they deliberately in my view went abroad to do it. That is what makes them worse than the average criminal, the cold calculating and deliberate nature of their conduct.

To me, it seems obvious that they quite deliberately set up the situation for Madeleine to be abducted. Gerry even had photos ready to hand to the police. He had the quite obvious lies prepared about how some predator broke into the apartment. He got his relatives to tell the world press this, knowing it was a blatant lie.

I do not believe they have all of this support. People at Everton maybe, Kennedy maybe, but beyond that, I do not feel they are supported at all.

There is no need to re-open the investigation here because it has never been closed. It is frustrating for people but in such a complex case, gaining the evidence agaisnt people who have behaved in such a deliberate and calculated way, with what I believe, was a considerable degree of planning, is going to be difficult.

I can never condone anyone taking the law into their own hands or deliberately harassing criminal suspects. Tony Bennett in the UK was always on a collision course with the law and to me that was obvious.

To an extent I think it was understandable Goncalo wanted to write his book, but I do think he should have left it at that. The McCanns are never going to be brought to justice by anyone other than the lawful authorities.

I also feel that by having a set version of what the McCanns supposedly did, they are likely to be in error because the evidence is by no means that clear.

I believe the McCanns arranged for Madeleine to be abducted and I believe that is what the authorities believe. As such, they just have to find what happened to Madeleine and try to recover her. I firmly believe that is what they are doing and the actions of late of Kate and Gerry McCann, to me, demonstrate a real fear that is what they are about. To me, it looks like the McCanns seek to put things in place that will explain Madeleine's disappearance in some other way, that they were not involved.

But we know that they were and so do the police. They are not going to get away with this.


xx

Di said...

Hi all

Hope well said as always.

Viv

I have spent a couple of days reading various sites trying to catch up with everything. So many things are being stated as fact but not much seems to be happening.

GA's car being confiscated costing £70,000, nobody seems to think there is a Jag of such value but there is. The XKR, although I would not think GA would have bought this as it is not a family car, also XFR which is a lovely new saloon. Personally I just cannot imagine GA buying either of these and rubbing peoples noses in it.

Someone seems very determined to put GA in a bad light spending money etc., now I wonder who that could be?

I find the fact GA's assets have been frozen incredible.

Something is very wrong with this case, and I am now starting to believe it is not just about the McCanns.

mandarinn said...

Hi Viv ans all

DI
I agree with everything you said but, since a long time i got the conviction that the power envolved in this case is not because of the maccanns themselves .Something very ugly envolving powerfull people , i dont know WHAt neither WHO.

Nowadays I don't believe we will know...

viv said...

Hiya Di and Mandarinn

I think it is possible GA bought himself a Jag out of the money he was making which must have been a lot. I understand he was used to a pretty flash company vehicle in his role for the police.

Having said that I agree Rosie has tried very hard to put across the image of Goncalo and his wife living a very fat lifestyle " off of the back of Madeleine" as it is put. I could not help but notice that Rosie seems to have an obsession with designer goods they supposedly use, frequently listing these. Does Rosie study them so hard that she would know whether Sofie is carrying a designer bag and wearing designer specks?

I do not think it is just the McCanns involved in this case, I do think it is about paedophilia.

Certainly "something very ugly involving powerful people".

But I think it is starting to unravel.

Hence the increasingly bizarre suggestions coming out of Team McCann.

xx

Di said...

Hi Viv, Mandarinn

I agree something ugly and involving powerful people.

What I cannot understand is why family and friends are not asking the simple question "What has happened to Madeleine, and why are the Police not looking for her?"

If this was any member of my family, I would be trying to pull out all of the stops, but not the McCann family and friends.

The silence is deafening.

Wizard said...

Hi All,

The jag….

Nothing in this case and the players within it are straightforward.

So I was not surprised when reading an interview by Amaral when he tells the Journal de Noticias on 26:10:09….

“…..has no further assets in his name – he has no property and no vehicles. The only family car, a Ford Focus of 2003, is in his wife’s name, who is a technician at Portimão’s City Hall.”

No jag then? Or does it mean the jag had been snatched as part of his assets?

I would have thought, to take his car before a case is heard in court is unheard of if not illegal.

So no jag? Or …..Oh yes he has - the pantomime season is fast approaching again. LOL

hope4truth said...

Morning All

Di the silence is indeed deafening it is a long time since any of the family have stood up to defend them.

well Uncle John may well have but as a paid leach from her fund I guess he is paid to speak as it were....

I still cant get my head round the idea that all of the T7 knew about the cover up (unless they are all a bunch of Peadophiles and had to go along with it or all have their children taken into care and spend a good few years in jail)then of course they all went along to the PJ and put Murat in the frame which is an odd thing to do as not a single person who knew the man came forward and said he was there?

As for the family they must be in an imposible situation it is so obvious they are lying. Gerry and Kate have hindered the investigation to find Madeleine by refusing to help in any way that does not suit them. The family must know there is nothing to be gained from reconstructions, anwering questions etc or I am sure as people who loved Madeleine would be slapping Kate until she realised how she is making herself look and the harm she is doing to Madeleine.

Yet nothing they have seen the same photos of the happy pair in the early days I know if it were my daughter I would be horified and ask her what the hell she thought she was playing at. Even if I believed her I would tell her what she looked like to the outside world and if she wanted people to keep looking for her child she had better change her attitude or no one would believe her. yet we just get more happy pictures interviews and finaly refusal to answer a single question !!!!

Was it helpful Aunt Phil who told the tale of Kate smashing the place up when told she was to be made an Arguida? I thought at the time it made her look bad and Gerry look good and so many times she has been made to look the guilty one by Gerry and his family...

Maybe she is the guilty one and smashing things up is her way of dealing with every problem. Gerry is arrogant and we are treated to many poor demure Kate images but perhaps he has to act the way he does to stop his family from falling apart? Maybe he is the submissive one in the relationship?

Lets just hope someone has the heart to go to the police and end this charade. Perverting the course of justice is a very serious crime and the twins need people around them that they know and love they have been through enough....

I cant believe there is a chance Madeleine is alive somewhere (or somewhere they dont know about) Spinning their story is sick but not nearly as sick as spinning it whilst leaving her to rot while they spend her cash on lawyers to defend their good name.

The McCann's dont have a good name at best they are self confesed Child Neglectors no better than the Mother who neglected her children all night for a night on the town. Her children (thank god) were all unharmed the McCann's went to a bar and left the door unlocked and one of thier children is missing because of their selfish act? Or because of something far more evil???

hope4truth said...

Morning Wiz

It is indeed very strange that all his assets have been seized before he has been found guilty of anything?

Can you imagine an ex police officer in England loosing everything because he dared to question the word of a couple of child negelctors whoes child is missing?

Then Gerry and Kate are not child neglectors they are saints and by refusing to do a single thing for their child and spending all her cash taking people to court for saying they may have harmed their daughter (even though their own actions have made them look as guilty as hell)no far more important that they bring a foreign police officer down than actually give a damn about the findable child they left to rot while they went to a bar and have spun out of the picture while they take center stage as the victims.

Wizard said...

The McCanns left their three children alone in a hotel room so the couple could have fun.

Automatically this awakens suspicious of what else they would do, such as give the kids prescription medicine (both parents are physicians) to make them sleep while the parents were away.

Imo opinion the bond between members of the T9 is not just friendship, not just doctors covering up for one another but a more likely scenario which has impact on them all.

Did all these medics give their kids prescription medicine to make them sleep while they were away having adult time?

I suspect the answer is yes and what we have seen is everyone covering up for everyone else – no one in this pitiful story is guiltless imo.

It is very sad but we of course all know what doctors do with their mistakes……

hope4truth said...

I wondered if it was over sedation and all of them belived switching their children on and off was their right...

It is amazing though that Michael Jacksons death has been ruled as Homicide and his Dr is facing years in jail... Whilst I agree the Dr should not have given him the drugs I am sure Mr Jackson would have got them from somewhere and actually wanted the drugs in the first place to control pain/stress and sleep...

Very young children are sedated on a family holiday and each one of the not fit to be parents have been compensated by the press for having their own feelings hurt (although they donated it to the fund it wont do them any harm for fancy lawyers and a spin dr keeping anyone from daring to say they are crap)....

It is a shame they could not afford to holiday in America if this had happend there we would not have to see their smilling faces over all the papers as they would all be wearing orange suits and their children would be looked after for them as they are not fit to do so themselves....

I do so hope they are very kind and loving towards their children because if they are not and this is not solved in the next few years I belive their own childrens memories of 2007 may be what finaly sends the lot of them to jail....

teenagers think everything is unfair and just love a drama!

Wizard said...

Well said Hope.

viv said...

Hiya guys and some really good comments as ever.

I think the McCanns/David Payne specifically chose Portugal for their venue to go and behave in this way and I cannot help but continue to feel it was planned to get rid of little Maddie. Most particularly due to Gerry taking those 6 x 4 pictures with him, in duplicate. OK so you may have had a couple of pictures of your child with you, but in duplicate? I hardly think so. At the rogatories it was plain the police were extremely interested in this issue and it was more than clear that Russell O'Brien was lying through his teeth and having the temerity to get pretty angry too, due to the persisent and evasive questions asked.

IMO, the police were right to really hone in on this vital piece of evidence and I think the fact that Gerry is once again seeking to use one of those pictures of Maddie, so appealing and cash enticingly done up in her football kit. His determination to continue to con and collect will be his downfall. I am absolutely convinced of that.

It has gone very quiet in Spain concerning police action against Metodo 3 but this will all get tied together eventually. Portugal, Spain and UK will defeat Team McCann.

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Could this be a breakthrough in our understanding of this case?

viv Today at 14:09

.and what of Mat, how did he see the twins? I have a feeling he said there was a lamp on or something in the living room. How could you just walk into someone else's apartment in the dark to make a check, what about bumping into something let alone not being able to see the children.

With their constantly varying stories all they do is show up how they behave just as liars do, trying to make the facts somehow fit. People who are telling the truth never bother to come back with a different version of the story.

I think another really incredible one is Gerry telling the police on 4 May they entered with their key via the front door and then when grilled again on 10 May insisting he was wrong about that and they entered via the rear patio door. If he had deadlocked the front door there is no way it could have been opened even from the inside. The first story in the press was the predator jemmied and got through the window and exited by leaving the front door open, clearly the police put this to Gerry and so he came up with something else. They are desperate criminals and their time will come..
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justagrannynow Today at 14:56

.I have a feeling that I read in one of Matthew Oldfields statements, or perhaps it was the Mockumentary, that MO paused in the living room and browsed the book titles. Whatever, the light seems to have been sufficient for him not only to see the children, but to see that they were breathing !!!! Does he mean the twins through those high sided cots ?????


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

The following is an excerpt from Matthew Oldfield's Rogatory interview with Leicestershire police:

4078: "The curtains were drawn and weren't blowing around?"

Matthew Oldfield: "Yeah."

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Matthew Oldfield: "No, no, we've talked about that before, I didn't smell anything, I mean, I could see the children breathing, but I didn't clock it as abnormal, errm... it'd be completely to speculate to say whether their breathing was fast or... I couldn't say, I mean, they were breathing and that's what, you know... and that was what I was there to check, errm... no, no funny sort of smells, no sort of funny draughts, no sort of funny sort of noises, no, errm... nothing that I can think of for that. I mean, it was a complete... just a shock out of the blue when, you know, I'd been in and then suddenly somebody's saying Madeleine's missing, there was nothing that made me think: 'Oh'.".Kate passed by my door laughing her head off, with a friend, days after her daughter disappeared..... Maria Bandeirinha
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Christine Today at 15:03

.justagrannynow wrote:
I have a feeling that I read in one of Matthew Oldfields statements, or perhaps it was the Mockumentary, that MO paused in the living room and browsed the book titles. Whatever, the light seems to have been sufficient for him not only to see the children, but to see that they were breathing !!!! Does he mean the twins through those high sided cots ?????

viv said...

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

The following is an excerpt from Matthew Oldfield's Rogatory interview with Leicestershire police:

4078: "The curtains were drawn and weren't blowing around?"

Matthew Oldfield: "Yeah."

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Matthew Oldfield: "No, no, we've talked about that before, I didn't smell anything, I mean, I could see the children breathing, but I didn't clock it as abnormal, errm... it'd be completely to speculate to say whether their breathing was fast or... I couldn't say, I mean, they were breathing and that's what, you know... and that was what I was there to check, errm... no, no funny sort of smells, no sort of funny draughts, no sort of funny sort of noises, no, errm... nothing that I can think of for that. I mean, it was a complete... just a shock out of the blue when, you know, I'd been in and then suddenly somebody's saying Madeleine's missing, there was nothing that made me think: 'Oh'."

Indeed granny, if he could see the children breath, it can't have been dark. Or the shutters were open and the curtrains drawn, or there had to be some light in the living room.

And isn't this a strange remark : I couldn't say, I mean, they were breathing and that's what, you know... and that was what I was there to check, errm
Was he there to check their breathing? Why not just to check if they were asleep?.
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viv Today at 15:35

.Gosh I had not noticed that before, he did not smell something funny?


So the police were asking him if he smelt chloroform or something that would make their breathing abnormal?

Good grief!

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE

I reckon these people had to talk to the police far more than we know about. It is like DC Matthews saying in that email to Ricardo Paiva he had read the statement of David Payne, I think it was worded in a way that suggests a number or a questionnaire having been completed.

I believe things are much worse for them than we are allowed to know about.
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viv Today at 15:50

.Is this how the police discounted abduction by a stranger?

The start from the premise all three children must have been drugged. It is in Goncalo's book I believe. The police reasoned that on 1 May Maddie was heard to be loudly crying out, but when she went missing on 3 May, not a sound from her. How could she be abducted without making any noise at all? The police were convinced the twins were drugged. So, at first the police run with the abduction by a stranger. But a stranger would only have been able to use something like chloroform. So they ask Matthew did you smell something? No.

So who drugged Maddie and abducted her if it was not a stranger....

viv said...

I think Gerry saying "we put the children to sleep at 7.15" is another of those Freudian slips he is prone to make, where what he is thinking in his mind, slips out in his speech. Particularly with him being a medical man, putting patients to sleep means anaesthetising them.

Parents do not say they put their children to sleep, do they? They say they put them to bed and do not, in their minds, immediately associate the concept of three little ones, all in the same room, one being quite a bit older, all going straight off to sleep. Kate and Gerry have emphasised how tired the children all aware. Again, I would say that is their guilty conscience.

It is more than obvious the children were drugged, even Gerry says so himself, not that he is claiming responsibility of course.by viv
on Today at 15:13

IMO, Gerry McCann is most definitely Madeleine's abductor, and Martin Smith thinks so too.

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

you can see why those sardine munching plods have hacked Gerry off cant you...

Poor Gerry he really belived they were stupid and would just go along with what the clever Dr was telling them yet they asked a very good question about there being a smell in the room and Matt says there was not one...

Also why check the Twins breathing? Well to be honest when I look after my nephew I check he is breathing and it was only a few years ago I stopped going into the girls rooms before bed to check they were breathing but the point is if he checked the twins were breathing why would he not check Madeleine was breathing as well???

Long past my girls being Baby's I checked but I never stopped checking the eldest before the youngest it just kind of stopped happening. So if Matt is concerned about breathing why not check Maddie she was only 3....

The more I read the more I think she was a separate part of the family it is so sad....

viv said...

Hiya Hope

I think that is why they picked on Portugal and that apt for the McCanns clearly accessible to the street. That explains all those argumentative emails from David Payne. It also explains Kate needing a lot of persuading to go and her having a bad feeling about that holiday.

I believe they did feel they would easily outsmart the Pt Police and the obvious language problem would be another factor in their favour.

Had they done their research properly they would have found these PJs are, on average, far more educated than our own CID, a degree being a positive requirement and study of offender psychology etc. So straight away these sardine munching plods were clinically analysing this bunch of sick lying British doctors. So were very senior British detectives. The two most senior detectives from LP Det Chief Supt Bob Small and Det Superintdent Stu Prior. Another very senior detective from Surrey was also sent out there who worked on the Millie Dowler case. We also sent experts on child sexual abuse and abduction from SOCA/CEOP.

What a bunch of idiots to think that Portuguese Police were so stupid and they would not also immediately involve top British police due to them obviously being involved.

In relation to checking childrens' breathing, when my first was fairly newly born I confess to lying awake making sure he was breathing as he so peacefully lay next to me in his crib. He was a very contented baby and never used to cry but that in itself worried me. My next two were not so averse to having a wail and I did not worry like that. But in relation to my youngest son Luke, when he has been out late clubbing I have gone in and checked him even recently just to make sure he is OK.
Sometimes that has involved checking he is breathing if he was sleeping very soundly. I have always worried more about him due to his learning disabilities.

I suppose that is just what makes us normal moms, very concerned about what we brought into this life and cherish so much.

I do not feel Madeleine was cherished at all, and the twins just got lucky as not being a target, but emotionally they are still not safe with Kate and Gerry McCann.

God Bless little Maddie, wherever she is.

Her poor grandparents must be utterly heartbroken.

xx

Di said...

Hi all

Hi Viv

I did exactly the same when my children were first born, checked they were still breathing, but after a few weeks you do learn to relax.

I like others, find it odd Matthew Oldfield says he checked the twins to see that they were breathing, what an odd statement to make.

viv said...

hiya Di

I am sure it is normal for new moms to worry like we obviously did with the first born. In fact I can recollect ringing my mom, hey mom, he keeps on hiccupping, do you think he is alright, she laughed!

I just think that even now, the more we look at this, the more we can see how utterly serious it was and exactly why the police were so interested in this lot and wanted them to attend a reconstruction. Also why they were so against that.

Mat Oldfield says he was there to check the twins breathing??? WHAT

well what about Maddie's breathing then? He says he did not even see her, but the twins were in high sided cots, he must have walked right up to them to be able to check them, how could he have not seen Madeleine?

There is just no way on earth the police can let go of this!

Why on earth would you leave tiny tots alone and then start checking their breathing? If they were that worried why would they leave them? It kind of suggests they knew they were drugged..I just do not know what to think but it is so awful.

Wizard said...

Hi,

I was just reading Private Eye’s account of our friends Carter- Rucks latest antics – ‘Carter-Rucking Hell’- 30:10:09

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viv said...

Cheers Wiz, new post.

I think it is justice that the McCanns should become synonimous with a firm of solicitors who get paid to cover up the dumping of toxic waste where people have to live and that takes men in gas masks to measure and try to clean up.

Covering up the unspeakably horrible, that is what the McCanns want from the Carter Fuckwits.