29 Aug 2010

HALLIGEN GETS TOP EXTRADITION LAWYERS ON LEGAL AID

 was just wondering, did Kate always have those dilated pupils and extra thick lips that she was sporting on Spanish TV just after being made an Arguida, well no I do not think she did/does.  The dilated pupil look comes easy with a bottle of eye drops, and well the thick lips that takes an injection I think.  Pretty calculating really.

Maddie McCann investigator to get legal aid in battle against U.S. fraud charges


By Christopher Leake and Mark Hollingsworth

Last updated at 12:04 PM on 29th August 2010

 Identity card of private detective Kevin Halligen

A private detective whose firm was paid up to £500,000 from publicly donated funds to find Madeleine McCann is to get tens of thousands of pounds in legal aid to fight extradition to the US for fraud charges.

Kevin Halligen, 50, told Kate and Gerry McCann he could find their daughter but allegedly spent the cash on a lifestyle of first-class flights, chauffeured cars, nightclubs and luxury hotels and goods.

In a separate alleged scam he was arrested last November at the £700-a-night Old Bank Hotel in Oxford.

US authorities issued an extradition warrant accusing Halligen of defrauding a law firm of £1.3 million by ­claiming he could help free two men jailed in war-torn Africa. It is claimed he instead spent the money on a mansion.

A document filed in the District Court of Columbia claims he took money, saying his firm could help secure the release of two executives from the multi­national company Trafigura jailed in Ivory Coast in 2007 for allegedly dumping toxic waste.

He is said to have suggested a rescue operation to fly in South African mercenaries, but it was cancelled. The duo were freed a few months later after a reported £120 million payment.

Halligen, who claimed to have worked for MI5 and the CIA, linked up with the McCanns a year after the 2007 disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine on a family holiday at Praia da Luz, Portugal.

He boasted of ‘contacts’ in Washington who could provide satellite imagery to help the search. Oakley International, a company run by Halligen, was hired by the fund set up by Madeleine’s parents, but was dropped after six months due to claims of too little progress and too much spending.

Fees: Halligen, who claimed to have worked for MI5 and the CIA, linked up with the McCanns a year after the 2007 disappearance of their daughter

Now British taxpayers are to pay for top-flight lawyers to fight Dublin-born Halligen’s extradition. His team includes a leading extradition barrister whose fees are thought to be at least £2,000 a day.

Additional fees for renowned London fraud solicitors Janes will boost costs even further.

The award of legal aid to ­Halligen, remanded at a London jail since arrest, was confirmed by Westminster magistrates this month. His next extradition hearing is on Wednesday.

Last night a spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann would not comment on the case.

A spokeswoman for the Legal Services Commission said last night: ‘The decision on whether legal aid is required is made by the court.’

A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said: ‘We’ve announced the start of a fundamental look at the legal aid system.’





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307149/Maddie-McCann-hunt-fraudster-legal-aid.html#ixzz0y078PS1P



115 comments:

Wizard said...

Viv,

“Kevin Halligen told K&G he could find their daughter but allegedly spent the cash on a life-style of first-class flights, chauffeured cars, nightclubs and luxury hotels and goods.”

No looking for Madeleine I notice – I wonder why he was dismissed then!!

Why have the McCanns not put in a complaint against him for fraud or theft surely if you employ someone to search for your daughter and they do not but take your money to fund a hedonistic life style instead that’s illegal– in anyone’s book half a million pounds is not chicken feed.

Perhaps the British police should take him to task before the courts extradite him to America! That could open a can of worms if they did lol.

Wizard said...

Viv I was just doing a quick online skim through the rest of the Sundays no one else mentions this story. Most only covering the Halligen story back in February. Tomorrow’s press will be interesting as they pick up this story and put their spin on it.

No comment by the Mcs on the Mail article – silence sometimes speaks louder than words - lol

I just wonder who will be brave enough to bring into question the Mcs knack of picking crooks to investigate on their behalf.

Di said...

Hi Wizard

Brian Kennedy has much to answer for, it was because of him that all these idiots were employed to supposedly look, cough, for Madeleine or perhaps turn the other way. I still think money laundering is involved but doubt we will get to know the truth.

Wizard said...

Today’s News of the World - Cuts hold up Maddie UK probe - Who'll pay, ask police

RIDDLE: Madeleine vanished in 2007 PHOTO: PA
By Lucy Panton, 29/08/2010

A NEW probe by British cops into missing Madeleine McCann is being held up in a row over funding, we can reveal.
Police forces face cuts of tens of millions of pounds to their budgets leaving no spare cash to pay for what would be a costly re-investigation.
Home Secretary Theresa May held a meeting with Kate and Gerry McCann early this month to discuss the search for their daughter.
Senior officers at Scotland Yard have been consulted about taking on the case. But despite the apparent early progress we can reveal that there are two key stumbling blocks.
No police force can afford to take on the job which could take at least two detectives away from other duties for as long as a year.
A source said: "The real issue that needs to be resolved is who is going to pay for it? No police force can afford to agree to take on the case without knowing where the funding will come from.
"The other issue which is as important to resolve is to ensure that British officers will have full access in Portugal.
"At the moment there is no agreement in place that the Portuguese authorities are going to allow and co-operate with a British re-investigation.
"The review has highlighted the need for a thorough re-investigation starting from scratch. The Metropolitan Police have been consulted and are likely to be given the job, but not until all the problems have been ironed out."
The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, appealed directly to former Home Secretary Alan Johnson and now Mrs May for extra help.
Madeleine was three when she went missing from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz in May 2007. This year we broke the news that the Met's Homicide Command have been approached to discuss taking on the investigation.
Jim Gamble, head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, told Labour ministers there were huge holes in the original inquiry.The treasury are set to slash eight per cent of the policing budget for the next three years threatening jobs.

viv said...

Hiya both

and Wiz thanks for another interesting article from Gerry's much favoured spinners The News of the World/Sun.

Why on earth would the Met's HOMICIDE Command take on the investigation looking for an abducted child?

Something nasty is being spun here IMO, particularly nasty for the McCanns.

The truth is, if Maddie was abducted in Portugal that can only be investigated by Portugal.

On the other hand criminal conduct against Maddie by her own parents, can most certainly be investigated by British Police and charges brought if sufficient evidence emerges to formulate specific charges in relation to what they actually did with her.

Wizard said...

Theresa May, may well have talked to the McCanns but she will not authorise funding for British police to open a new investigation. Isn’t that in political speak giving them a complete brush off - all polite talk but no substance.

In this time of enforced Tory austerity with financial cuts across the board, being lead by the nose into an investigation á la the K&G theory of events has to be a non-starter. But did the McCanns expect this – probably.

viv said...

Hiya Wiz

I think the theme of "new investigation" is mainly coming from the McCann camp.

Reading between the lines it may be that the Home Office are dissatisfied there has been insufficient uncovered in the current and ongoing investigation headed by LP to actually bring charges against the McCanns and perhaps she is thinking of appointing the Met Home Homicide squad to review the file, rather like a cold case review.

It is certainly not unheard of in UK for another force to be given the job of reviewing a file in a serious case to try and get a break through in an investigation, maybe this is what the McCanns desperately seek to spin.

It is also interesting that this new spinning comes at the same moment we hear further news of Halligen. Would there be a link there, I think so. He does not want to face American justice, therefore it would be in his interests to help British police.

Wizard said...

Hi Viv,

“He does not want to face American justice, therefore it would be in his interests to help British police.”

Quite right – I think this might prove a breakthrough in the McCann case if he did but will he. Desperate situations sometimes bring out desperate solutions – lets hope so.

Wizard said...

Hi Di,

Brian Kennedy is a successful businessman and I would have thought nobodies fool. How is it then possible that someone with such apparent business acumen can choose private detective organisations that continually turn out to be crooks? Can we really be asked to believe Kennedy is so naïve?

viv said...

It would be fantastic if they can be arrested in relation to fraud/money laundering charges and remanded themselves, we can but hope!

I note they did not wish to comment on the Halligen case, odd really because I would have thought that as Company Directors they have a duty to commence a tracing action against one who has defrauded the fund in breach of contract or at the very least lay claim to compensation within the criminal proceedings. Their coyness here is interesting!

Wizard said...

I was just reading a 2006 interview with Brian Kennedy and he does like to tell people "I play to win". I just wonder what lengths Mr Kennedy would go to in his attempts to win.

In the same interview made prior to his involvement with the McCanns (as far as we know) he says the following:

"I play the game; it's like playing rugby. You want to play, so you want to win. So when the opportunity comes up then I make the moves for the good of the business. I don't want to be on the touchline," he says.

"I did semi-retire; I lived in Majorca. It drove my kids nuts and it drove me nuts. I would travel, I would see seriously monied people in these executive lounges and exclusive hotels and they all had one thing in common: they looked miserable, absolutely bloody miserable. They look for the next big high, the next big stimulus. But what they are trying to replace is what all of us want and need: a job.

"I need a job, I need this. Otherwise I'd get bored stiff."

Hmm….

viv said...

Hi Wiz

It does make you wonder if the sheer challenge, the stimulus, the high, of trying to turn Team McCann into a highly profitable and unusual business venture, ran out and left Brian Kennedy.

Or is his connection with Gerry something more than adrenalin rushes like sport and high risk strategies, something altogether more personal?

Either way, the word unsavoury just springs to mind.

viv said...

Keir Simmons, ITV, has tweeted that he has checked with his Home Office source and reports that the Home Sec is asking for a new investigation are not true!

Now just how many times and over how many months have the McCanns been spinning this one?

He also says that Clarence Mitchell is not really working for them anymore and "you people" I presume he means certain bloggers/tweeters are "obsessed" with him.

Well if I was going to have an obsession with a bloke he would not be top of my list...

Three things the McCanns cannot do:

1) Demand British Police stop investigating them for possible crimes against their daughter in Portugal

2) Demand the British Police and other Agencies files held on them/their children etc

3) Tell the Home Secretary she has to assign British Police officers to investigate what it was Portugal's job alone to investigate, whether Maddie was abducted by a stranger from Portugal. They already did that, with assistance from UK and reached a conclusion, there is no evidence to support such claims. That is accepted by the Foreign Office as being correct, hence Maddie is officially a missing person as it is, not known what happened to Madeleine, officially. Of course unofficially British Police and the HOme Secretary no doubt know exactly what the McCanns did with Madeleine, but they still have insufficient evidence to arrest and charge. They cannot and will not comment about an ongoing investigation, no matter how much people bleat and wail about that.



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viv said...

It is funny this new fantasty investigation is to be conducted by Scotland Yard. Rosiepops was demanding that a long time ago.


Sorry for those who are used to my normal terminology, I mean Psychopops who masquerades as a middle aged woman who loves birds and wildlife, but lists itself as a man and knows nothing about such sweet things, I do!

viv said...

oh fantaSTY lol!

Have I inadvertently created a new McCann buzz word?

Wizard said...

Hi All,

There is what appears to be an extended article on the McCannfiles today of the Mail on Sunday story. Some of Halligen’s shenanigans noted below:

“The Mail on Sunday can reveal today that despite setting up a hotline for potential informants and witnesses, none of the hundreds of calls received by a call centre hired by Halligen, 48, was listened to by Oakley investigators - and Halligen also bragged to his colleagues that he had executed a series of peculiar tactics to find Madeleine.

He claimed to have hired an actor to pretend to be a 'drunken priest' who would seek confessions as he toured the bars of Praia da Luz, the resort where Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

And he told colleagues that a family with a Madeleine lookalike daughter had been paid to set up home in a nearby resort in order to tempt out a potential kidnapper.”

viv said...

Hiya Wiz

I am struggling to think who hires someone on a contract worth half a million for six months work, but never supervises or approves of anything they do.

More importantly still, when the contract is to try and find your missing daughter, I am seriously struggling to think how this man got months into the contract and kate and Gerry never asked what information he was receiving from the call centre.

In fact I believe they could not really have cared less because if it was my daughter, I would have been manning those phone lines myself and I would also have been very hot on the heels of such an expensive employee.

viv said...

Somehow, as those holding the purse strings (or was it Brian Kennedy because he ultimately took responsibility for sacking him); Kate and Gerry do not come across as the shy retiring type of employers who would just timidly sit back and think, oh well he knows what he is doing, I am sure he will tell us when he has any news of our sweet Maddie.

One thing I do believe, those employed by Kate and Gerry were always avidly searching for paedophiles.

viv said...

From Gerry's Super Sun at the time their money launderer or paedo hunter or whatever he was was "employed"

Paedo ring snatched MaddieBy VERONICA LORRAINE

Published: 07 Aug 2008
MADELEINE McCann was stolen to order by a Belgian paedophile ring, Scotland Yard fears.

An email claims the gang "ordered" a young girl just three days before Maddie vanished.


A pervert saw her in Portugal, took her photo and sent it to the ring, who then approved her kidnap, an informant claimed.



EnlargeAlert ... email from Scotland Yard says gang in
Belgium may have taken Maddie The email was sent by John Shord of the Met's CO14 vice intelligence unit, to police in the McCanns' home county of Leicestershire.

It was then passed on to Portuguese cops.


It states: "Intelligence suggests that a paedophile ring in Belgium made an order for a young girl three days before Madeleine McCann was taken.


"Somebody connected to this group saw Maddie, took a photograph of her, and sent it to Belgium.




Target ... pervert was feared to have snapped her around time of photo"The purchaser agreed that the girl was suitable, and Maddie was taken."


Belgium is just 90 miles from Amsterdam, where there have been TWO possible sightings of Maddie.


Files released this week show the Met were tipped off by an anonymous source. The email was first sent on March 5.

John Hughes of Leicestershire Police then apparently sent it to Portugal on April 21.

Files do not reveal a reason for the six-week delay.


Insp Ricardo Paiva sent it to Lisbon Interpol on April 28, asking them to check it out urgently.



Interpol replied on May 23, sending information received from across Europe.

A scrawled note dismisses some information as not being credible.


On May 27, Lisbon Interpol sent another urgent message asking for more information - but an undated fax said there was nothing else to add.


In January, private detectives working for Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry had travelled to Spain's Costa Blanca to investigate paedophile networks.


Gangs there were said to have links with others in Belgium and Morocco.


Belgium has been rocked by a string of paedophile cases.



Seven beasts from one town were jailed in 2002 - then in 2004 Marc Dutroux was caged for life for a series of rapes and murders.
cont'd//

viv said...

Now I wonder who this "friend of the McCanns" could be? Whatever, he seems to know a lot more than Belgium Police are able to verify as being based on erm, hard facts!


A friend of the McCanns said last night: "Trafficking into Belgium forms a very strong part of their investigations.

"There is hard evidence that this is happening, and someone may well have been stealing children to order."

Responding to the Metropolitan Police intelligence, a spokesman for Belgium's Federal Police said: "At this point we do not have any information such as that quoted in press reports.

"Our police, our missing person team, paedophile unit, are not aware of this information. We are checking with the British police.

"We find it all a bit strange. We are not aware and we have never found a paedophile network in Belgium that could order, sell or buy children like this."



Portuguese police refused to comment.

viv said...

Sightings were coming in of a ?"blond haired blue eyed child"

Forgive for pointing this out yet again, but that tennis balls pic, the official last photo of Maddie on the Portuguese Police file, she does not look anything like a blond haired blue eyed child to me !
At the same time in August 2008 the Independant are a litte more dismissive //
Reports that Belgian paedophile ring 'stole Maddy to order' are flawed

By Sam Marsden, PA, in Praia da Luz


Thursday, 7 August 2008


Reuters

More anguish for Gerry and Kate McCann: the couple's detectives had been taking the Belgian link very seriously







Secret intelligence claiming Madeleine McCann was snatched to order by a Belgian paedophile ring is flawed, sources said today.


Private detectives working for the girl's parents are urgently following up the report from an informant disclosed in Portuguese police files.

The tip-off was recorded by an intelligence officer working for Scotland Yard's CO14 clubs and vice unit.


But sources said the information was second or even third-hand and impossible to corroborate with forces in the UK or abroad.

It is believed to have been one of dozens of similar reports passed to the unit in the wake of Madeleine's disappearance.

The informant said a photograph of the child on holiday in Portugal was taken and passed to a "purchaser" in Belgium days before she vanished.

The confidential report read: "Intelligence suggests that a paedophile ring in Belgium made an order for a young girl three days before Madeleine McCann was taken.

"Somebody connected to this group saw Maddie, took a photograph of her and sent it to Belgium.

"The purchaser agreed that the girl was suitable and Maddie was taken."

Portuguese police pursued the lead with Interpol, which gathered further reports from Belgium, the UK, Finland and Germany.

But detective Paulo Rebelo, head of the Madeleine inquiry, ruled that all but the German intelligence showed "lack of credibility".

As a result, the Scotland Yard tip-off was added to the massive file of evidence considered during the hunt for Madeleine.

A Metropolitan Police spokeswoman said everything possible was done to follow up the snippet of information.

She said: "Unsubstantiated information was received by CO14 relating to the disappearance of Madeline McCann.

"This was passed onto Leicestershire Police on 4 March 2008.

"The information was further discussed with Leicestershire Police verbally and all possible lines of inquiry were conducted.

viv said...

"Leicestershire Police passed the information on to the Portuguese Authorities."
Belgium is less than 100 miles from Amsterdam where there have been two possible sightings of the missing youngster.

Shop assistant Anna Stam, 41, spoke to a little girl called "Maddy" who said she had been taken from her mother while on holiday in May last year.

Hannie Wiechmann, 71, called police after seeing a young child she believed to be the missing girl in the second week of May last year.

She told the Dutch newspaper Metro she "just knew" it was Madeleine because of her eyes and her "unequally-cut fringe" and dyed hair.

Police also investigated a sighting of a girl who looked like the missing child at a service station near the town of Tongeren on Dutch border last August.

viv said...

A friend of Kate and Gerry McCann, both 40, from Rothley, Leicestershire, said the couple's detectives were taking the Belgian link very seriously.

"Trafficking into Belgium forms a very strong part of their investigations, as does trafficking into North Africa," the friend said.

"There is definitive hard evidence that this is very much alive and happening, and they have looked into the fact that someone was targeting children and they may well have been stealing to order."


McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell refused to comment on "sensitive" information found in the Portuguese police case files.


He said: "Clearly any information of that nature - Kate and Gerry would hope that the Portuguese police in conjunction with Interpol have acted to the absolute best of their ability in following this up.


"The private investigators, as with all the other sightings and all the other information, will be pursuing this line as an absolute priority to establish if it has been fully investigated and properly ruled out.


"They have got some of the information already from their lawyers and investigators and they are waiting to hear from them what is legitimate, what is promising and what is not.


"They are frustrated by the delays and the mistakes that were made.


"They have learned an awful lot about this kind of thing, and God forbid she has fallen foul of any of these types."


Belgium has been rocked by several appalling paedophile cases, including that of unemployed electrician Marc Dutroux.


The 47-year-old was jailed for life four years ago after being convicted of kidnapping, raping and murdering young girls.


In one interview Dutroux claimed he was part of a wider paedophile ring but police did not want to pursue it.


Dutch police refused to comment, referring inquiries to the Portuguese authorities.


Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from her family's holiday flat in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on 3 May last year.


On 21 July Portuguese prosecutors announced they were shelving the case, although it can be reopened if credible new evidence comes to light.


At the same time the McCanns and Algarve resident Robert Murat were told they were no longer "arguidos", or formal suspects, in the investigation.





Responding to the Metropolitan Police intelligence, a spokesman for Belgium's Federal Police said: "At this point we do not have any information such as that quoted in press reports.

"Our police, our missing person team, paedophile unit, are not aware of this information. We are checking with the British police.


"We find it all a bit strange. We are not aware and we have never found a paedophile network in Belgium that could order, sell or buy children like this."





A Belgian woman reported seeing a young girl who looked "very much" like Madeleine with an Eastern European couple on a tram in Brussels 12 days after she disappeared, the files reveal.

Line Compere, 31, told Belgian police she saw the blonde-haired, blue-eyed child on the number 18 tram heading towards the main Midi train station at about 8.45am on 15 May last year.


Her suspicions were aroused because the man and woman with the youngster did not look like her, appeared to be speaking a different language from her and did not seem to know her well.


At that point she had never seen a picture of Madeleine but later that day she was shown a photograph of the missing girl.


Ms Compere told police in her interview on 1 June last year: "When I saw the photo in question, it immediately jumped out to me that there was a big resemblance to the little girl on the tram."


The report was passed on to the Portuguese police but it is unclear what action was taken to follow it up.

viv said...

Strange the way Kate and Gerry do not even use their official spokesman to feed all this bullshit and lies to the media, they use some mysterious friend.

What a totally credible and concerned couple of parents they are eh?

viv said...

"Trafficking into Belgium forms a very strong part of their investigations, as does trafficking into North Africa," the friend said.


Belgium, Morocco, Portugal, in their attempts to deflect attention from themselves they are not the least bothered how many countries they blame for harbouring little Maddie with some apparent bunch of paedos really are they?

Strange the way a witness heard Gerry talking on his mobile (the witness was doing the normal thing really, searching for Maddie assuming she had wandered off), Gerry was ranting on to some no doubt demented friend or relative that a gang of Portuguese paedophiles had abducted Maddie. Did not take him long to start spinning his webs really did it or start gazing into his crystal ball, I see dark men in Morocco and evil little Belgians and I think I better go see the Pope!

viv said...

If anyone trafficked Maddie, his name is Gerry McCann ably assisted by his former mate, David Payne.

Wizard said...

The paedophile links leaked to the press by a ‘friend’ of the McCanns seemed to be from evidence allegedly unearth by either M3 (crooks) or Halligen (crook).

How can crooks be believed. It seems to me it would be like taking the word of a narcissist whose lies just trip of their tongue and are plausible unless you look into them.

I just wonder if we will ever be privy to the hapless dicks real remit from the McCanns.

Wizard said...

Todays Sun and Mail carry this story – copy below from the Sun. I think it was on this site someone suggested that Hewlett would make a death bed confession and not be around to deny it. Well whoever said it certainly got that right! LOL

By ANTONELLA LAZZERI and ANDY CRICK
Published: Today (01 September 2010)

MADELEINE McCann suspect Raymond Hewlett confessed on his deathbed that he KNEW what happened to the little girl, The Sun can reveal.

In a letter to his estranged son Wayne, he denied having anything to do with Maddie's disappearance.

But he said he knew she had been stolen to order by a gipsy gang who kidnap children for wealthy couples unable to have kids or adopt.

Hewlett, a serial paedophile seen near the spot where Maddie was snatched in Portugal, said they had a "shopping list" of potential targets - such as a little girl with blonde hair like Maddie.

Private detectives working for Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry are "extremely interested" in Hewlett's claims.

A source close to their ongoing investigation said: "What he says fits the No1 theory, which is that she was stolen to order."

Hewlett died of throat cancer in April, aged 62, after persistently refusing to meet the McCanns' detectives.

He became a suspect because of his appalling record of rape and abduction of children.

And he was living as a nomad in Portugal with his second family when Maddie vanished from the McCanns' holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Hewlett's letter to builder Wayne, 40, was delivered to the son by a mystery man - thought to be a solicitor or a private eye - a week after he died.

Most of it was an apology for how his vile crimes had affected his first wife Susan and Wayne.

But then he went on to write about Maddie, who was nearly four when she went missing.

Wayne, of Telford, Shropshire, said: "It was a bolt from the blue and I shook when I read it.

"He stated he didn't want to go to his grave with us thinking he had done such a horrible thing.

"He said he had had nothing to do with taking Maddie but did know who had.

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Wizard said...

Continued from above article:-

"He said a very good gipsy friend he knew in Portugal had got drunk and 'let it out' that he had stolen Maddie to order as part of a gang.

"My dad said this gang had been operating for a long time and had snatched children before for couples who couldn't have children of their own.

"Maddie had been targeted. They took photos of children and sent them to the people they were acting for. And they said Yes or No.

"Dad said the man told him it was nothing to do with snatching children for a paedophile gang or for a sexual reason.

"He said there were huge sums of money involved. And he totally believed what this man was saying."

The account fits with others surrounding the Maddie mystery.

Several strange men were seen taking photos of children around the Ocean Club resort in the days before she vanished. And The Sun revealed earlier this year that a British expat thought he had seen Maddie in a white van driven by a gipsy couple the day after she was lost.

Wayne, who had no contact with Hewlett for nearly 20 years, said his father's letter seemed "very genuine".

He added: "I don't know if this is what happened to Maddie or not, but it does make sense. I can't believe he'd go to those lengths to make up some elaborate lie when he was so weak and ill."

Wayne said he considered going to Kate and Gerry with the letter but was worried it could cause them more heartache if it gave them false hope. He added: "I actually burned it because it unnerved me so much.

"To have a letter from someone you hated for so long was just mind-blowing. I couldn't deal with it."

Wayne did not contact The Sun about the message. We learned of its existence through a friend.

But now he intends to sit down with the Maddie detectives to tell them everything he knows.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: "We are extremely grateful to Wayne for coming forward with this information and the detective team will be interviewing him as a matter of priority."

Wizard said...

I just wonder how much money was paid for this story. Money brings people out in droves. Clarence says - "We are extremely grateful to Wayne for coming forward with this information and the detective team will be interviewing him as a matter of priority."

Of course, a lifeline is always something to grab. LOL

Di said...

Hi All

Hi Wizard

Well that's it then, Madeleine is in the lap of luxury being and looked after like a princess. Are we seriously expected to believe this rubbish! It fits Gerry's theory very nicely though, Madeleine has not come to any harm.

Wayne had not had contact with his father for 20 years yet we are supposed to believe Hewlett sent him, and only him, a letter confessing he knew what happened to Madeleine, and Wayne burnt the letter, very convenient.

Why is it all their tales involve gypsies and surely it would have been more sensible to take one of the twins. This whole story smacks of desperation.

Di said...

Joana Morais is reporting that Douglas Skehan and John McCann have resigned from the Madeleine Fund Directors Board, what is going on?

viv said...

Hiya both

Wiz, they seem determined to push this stolen to order malarky even though it was what their conman was working on. This latest Hewlett son and I burned it smacks of absolute desperation.

Di, If that is true it could be the major break we have been waiting for, did things get too hot for them?

Off to Jo's to have a read and trying not to get too hopeful but !

viv said...

John McCann resigned or got terminated on 23 July, a full month later on 24 August Doug Skehan, Gerry's boss also resigned or terminated.

Given how close these two are to Gerry, this suggests either one major falling out or they are attempting to leave before the police fully move in.

The further sad Hewlett story is obviously timed to attempt to bury this really bad news for scheming Gerry McCann. Maybe the dog had its day.

viv said...

I have this feeling Ms Theresa May is causing ructions for Team McCann:-)))

Di said...

If it was a case of the fund running dry and eventually winding down, I don't think either would have resigned it would have just run its course. Something must have happened!

viv said...

Hiya Di, I agree, amid much fanfare the sad McCanns would have announced the dissolution of the company and all of its directors would have been out of a "job".

John going one month, shortly after the meeting with Theresa and then Gerry's boss the next month suggests something major went amiss with their support for Gerry McCann.


I would still not be surprised if Maddie suddenly got "sprung".

viv said...

It looks like the meeting with Theresa May was on 4 August, so John went a short while before that and Doug Skehan a few weeks later.

It is not hard to imagine John was trying to suggest to Gerry it would be very foolish to try and con Theresa May, but Gerry suffers from tunnel vision and believes all females can be controlled by him, IMO. Idiot.

viv said...

Interesting snippet on Theresa May, clearly a lady who has no fear of being a bit tough, when the need arises. Somehow I do not think she has plans to finish up relegated to the back benches.

The Home Secretary says she does not regret her comment in 2002 that the public perception of the Tories was that they were the “nasty party”. They were the real dog days of Conservative opposition. Iain Duncan Smith, her new Cabinet colleague, was leader and the party was still on life support after a second crushing general election defeat.

“No, I don’t regret making that remark. I was being tough on the party. Some people in the party were not keen on me being so tough at the time, I won’t deny that.”

Some Conservative supporters believe the party was not nasty enough in the election campaign and should have pushed at the open door that was immigration as an election issue and been harder on Labour’s failures on crime. Mrs May promises to bring those same qualities of “toughness” to her new role. She wants to be judged at the end of her Home Office tenure as someone who was “tough but fair”, but also as someone who “was able to restore some of that public faith in the police”.

She adds: “The police do a great job, but I want to see them out there doing that job, getting out there and doing it.” The new Home Secretary has already passed one test. On her first walkabout with police, in Battersea, she eschewed the stab vest that Harriet Harman felt she had to don when strolling in south London.

She even seems enthused by the “safer neighbourhood team” she met. That team comprised fully fledged police officers but also Police Community Support Officers – perhaps the most visible and risible legacy of New Labour’s experiment with British policing.

Will these “plastic” police officers stay? It seems they will.

“The public want to see uniformed presence. What matters is feeling safe,” she said.

Significantly, Mrs May cannot guarantee that police numbers, presently at 143,000, will not be cut as the coalition scythe cuts through Whitehall.

“What I’m interested in is getting police out on the streets and that I think fundamentally is about slashing the bureaucracy,” she says.

But will she guarantee numbers?

“What I am focusing on is making sure we can get police out on the streets,” she will only repeat.

When pressed further on whether numbers will fall below 143,000, she replies: “You are right that the coalition government is dealing with deficit and yes, there will have to be cuts in public spending across departments and the Home Office is not a ring-fenced department.”

That should ensure that the officers she addresses next week at the Police Federation conference are braced for the bad news when it comes in the next few months.

Many commentators have underestimated Mrs May. Few could describe her as an exciting choice in the same way as Michael Gove, at Education, or Iain Duncan Smith, at Work and Pensions.

She has been dismissed as a makeweight and, harshly by some, as someone whose gender has played a significant part in her high-flying and longevity in Mr Cameron’s top team.

But while shadowing work and pensions, reports went back to Team Cameron, not least from David Freud, the welfare guru, that she was an impressive and thorough operator.

Like Alan Johnson in the Labour ranks, who is also her predecessor as Home Secretary, Mrs May’s ascent has been based on refusing to be tribal and keeping out of trouble. Now she has a brief that has traditionally been a waiting room for the back benches. Charles Clarke, John Reid and Jacqui Smith all waved goodbye to their Cabinet careers after spells at the Home Office.

Some, not least some seething Tory MPs who this weekend are without any government responsibility, will write off Mrs May’s chances of success.

She will hope to continue to show them a clean pair of (kitten) heels.

Wizard said...

Hi Viv and Di,

I was just reading JM’s blog about the two directors. What is not clear to me is whether their directorships were terminated or they resigned.

If this was a case of the fund running out of money why only get rid of these two? If the Amaral case goes to court the Mc’s allegedly are expected to received £1 M in compensation enough to keep brother John employed for a further year or more.

Has the Amaral case collapsed? Something we do not know but it does seem to be a long time getting into court.

On JM I was just reading one of the poster suggesting those who think the McCanns were implicated in their daughters disappearance are a fringe minority – nutters in fact.

Funnily enough just today I was reading a quote from James A Reed, Majority Rule: When he says – “We must seriously question the idea of majority rule. The majority grinned and jeered when Columbus said the world was round. The majority threw him into a dungeon for his discoveries. Where is the logic in the notion that the opinion held by a majority of people should have the power to influence our decisions?

I’m not sure we are in the minority but if we are then Reed makes a good point. I think we are on the right track and who knows there is more than one way to skin a rabbit so perhaps the fund will be the Mc’s downfall but I’m not holding my breath. Well…not just yet anyway!

Wizard said...

Statement concerning Kevin Halligen's hearing this morning:

'The case has been adjourned to 20th September 2010, 10.30am, for the full Extradition hearing, Mr. Halligen remains in custody.'

Source: City of Westminster Magistrates' Court

viv said...

Hiya Wiz

It is just my view, but given that John went one month and then Skehan the next I would say they resigned. Of course resignations can be in acrimonious circumstances and it may be, knowing Gerry as we do, he told them to flip themselves as the interminable pressure upon him mounted.

Either way, it does not suggest a good relationship with his own close family or perhaps even more importantly still, his own boss.

With the Fund probably almost empty, Kate incapble of ever returning from "maternity leave", it would be very grim for the McCanns if Gerry lost his job. Mortgage companies, typically, have absolutely no sympathy for those who cannot afford to pay a massive loan and that is what Gerry has got on that house, £323,000 £2000 per month.

If I was him I would hate to fall out with Mr Skehan in particular never mind further work for John McCann.

viv said...

In the current climate, I would say their house is worth no more than about £450,000 which again would put pressure on the mortgage company, Northern Rock, to act pretty quickly.

viv said...

Wiz, I do not actually think we are in the minority.

I like to use my elderly parents as a pretty good guage of public opinion.

George my step father had always been pretty non committal about the McCanns. He is non judgmental sort of person. But when they stated they were suing Goncalo Amaral for over one million he was pretty furious, stating they are just out for what they can make. I asked him again, do you think they were involved, he responded, well they were bang out of order in the first place, they left those children alone with the door open.

My mother is probably pretty typical of public opinion I think and does have a more judgmental attitude. In the very early stages we both agreed there was something decidedly wrong with Kate and Gerry although we did not like to even think it really. We just found it hard to believe some stranger took Madeleine and they had nothing to do with it.

My mom has, since that time, gone through a range of varying opinions as to what she thinks, but generally it has always involved believing that Maddie died. At one stage, about a year ago, after a really good chat with my sister, she was starting to suggest they may be innocent, but since that time has totally moved away from that view again. I think it is the money grabbing and the far fetched headlines.

Recently she amazed me by stating she believed that the McCanns did kill Maddie in the apartment and she thinks they hid the body in the church and then went on to hide it again from there as killers often do. She also said that she found it very odd that they went to see the Pope and believes they "confessed" their crime to the local priest and that is what is now wrong with him. I had never put those suggestions to her.

If my elderly parents, both in their 80s are anything to go by, the McCanns have just gone a spin too far for anyone to believe in them.

As for my very conservative sister, even she has changed her view from originally being of the school, "they are professional people they would never do that, they are trained not to show emotion they are doctors". Now she does believe they may well be involved and says to me she would like to read the files when she has time, she has just retired but is always on holiday! She says she would just love to know what really happened to poor little Maddie. She agrees with me it is best to keep an open mind and accept that involvement may have been by getting rid of Madeleine alive, money and Maddie being unloved being a lot to do witht he motivation for the crime.

And so I think, on balance, people are very confused as to what may have happened, but do feel the McCanns were involved.

viv said...

My eldest and youngest sons both believe Maddie is almost certainly dead at the hands of the McCanns.

The middle one hates the sight of them but does accept Maddie may have been taken by a stranger due to their terrible neglect. He feels that is what caused them to start telling lies in the first place and that just makes them even more unforgivable.

So really, whatever, they are the parents from hell!

Earlier on I went for a walk in my local park. There was a couple there with their boy and girl, it was getting almost dark. The children were playing gathering sticks and looking at nature, noting the bats. The parents were calm and serene and clearly so attentive and loving.

To me that Channel 4 Documentary, it was like Kate was playing at being a normal middle class mom, painting with the children and taking them to the farm. But the reality of that holiday in Portugal is very different, dumped day and night.

viv said...

Halligen has been given some really great lawyers, maybe it will be argued he would need to stay here to give evidence against Kate and Gerry?

I would imagine the sentence he would get in America for that level of fraud would be far worse than what he would face here!

As for the libel hearing against Goncalo Amaral, I have never really believed that would get off the ground.

I sometimes even wonder if there are plants on forums trying to get people to blog about the dogs and Goncalo's claims in some desperate bid to bolster the McCanns case. But the reality for the McCanns is even worse than that, I think, Portuguese Judges know they were involved in the disappearance of Madeleine and it is their own criminal behaviour that has damaged their reputation, not Goncalo Amaral.

viv said...

I see we continue to be blessed with a lot of visitors from Dublin and Glasgow, welcome :-)))

Wizard said...

Hi Viv,

I agree with you most people think the McCanns are involved in the disappearance of their daughter - certainly those who have bothered to research the case properly will draw this conclusion.

'Great lawyers for Halligen' – I apologise for my ignorance but I thought if you were on legal aid you had to take what you were given which is not always the best from the legal profession.

viv said...

Hiya Wiz,

No, it is not a question of you simply getting what you are given and putting up with that.

Offenders can choose their own lawyer providing he/she does legal aid work, many will not due to the pay rates.

If you are facing very serious or very complex charges then Legal Aid may agree to pay for a QC to argue your case, that is what has happened with Halligen. As a matter of course, murderers and rapists always get a very expensive QC and an ordinary barrister will also work with that QC, again at taxpayer's expense.

It also seems to be stated that Halligen has the most expensive fraud lawyers, but Legal Aid will generally specify set rates beyond which they will not pay.

He does face extradition to the US with potentially a very hefty prison sentence and I have no doubt potential breach of his human rights as a European citizen will be argued, protection of human rights typically being far lower in the States than the very liberal protection members of the European Convention enjoy.

But of course the seriousness and complexity could also be to do with the McCann case.

Short of knowing what the court know and why they have taken the decision along with legal aid to allow him such expensive lawyers, I am only guessing and certainly I have never worked in the field of extradition, but that is always a serious and complex issue.

viv said...

Actually Wiz on reading it again, I do not think he has been given a QC, they charge more than £2000 per day, just a very good extradition barrister!

viv said...

The Extradition Act 2003
Funding Implications
The Extradition Act 2003 received Royal
Assent on 20 November 2003 and came
into force on 1 January 2004. It reforms
and streamlines the procedures under the
Extradition Act 1989.
The former Act will continue to apply
to defendants for whom warrants of arrest
were issued before 1 January 2004. Although
the procedures under the new Act remain
broadly the same, there are some reforms –
particularly to the appeal stage – that will
have funding implications.
Extradition proceedings at the police station
and at court, including bail hearings, continue
to be covered by the General Criminal Contract
under the Criminal Investigations and Criminal
Proceedings classes respectively.
Police station work should be claimed in the
same way as a criminal investigation. Applications
for a Representation Order should be made to
the magistrates’ court using Form A. Advice and
assistance for such cases can also be provided
under CDS1/2 if the defendant is eligible.
Where an order for the defendant’s
extradition is made, the defendant has
seven days to appeal on a question of law
or fact to the High Court and, thereafter,
to the House of Lords.
The High Court proceedings will also be
classed as criminal proceedings under the
General Criminal Contract. Applications for
Representation Orders should be made to
the High Court (not to the magistrates’ court).
Representation on appeal to the House
of Lords will be funded separately, by an
application to the relevant court, in
accordance with Regulation 10 of the
Criminal Defence Service (General) (No. 2)
Regulations 2001, SI 2001/1437.

cont'd..

viv said...

These
procedures are intended to replace the old
route of habeas corpus, which was classed as
Associated Community Legal Service (CLS) work.
Proceedings to deliver defendants to the
International Criminal Court will now also be
dealt with under the 2003 Act. Such
proceedings are, like extradition, classified
as criminal proceedings for the purposes of
the Access to Justice Act 1999. Therefore,
they will be funded in the same way.
The aim of the Act is to simplify and
expedite proceedings, particularly for EU
countries. However, extradition remains
specialised work and a Representation Order
is still likely to be granted in such cases, with
enhanced rates payable where appropriate.
cont'd..

viv said...

The 2003 Act provides that human rights
issues should be heard in the same tribunal
as the substantive proceedings, so there
should be no need to fund these separately
as Associated CLS work.
Finally, if the court orders the defendant’s
discharge, there is provision in the Act for
their costs to be paid out of money provided
by Parliament.
For more information, contact:
John Binns, Legal Adviser, CDS Directorate,
e-mail: johnbinns@legalservices.gov.uk
02 03

viv said...

Firms are required to notify Legal Services in advance if cases are likely to be very expensive and both the solicitors and barrister must enter into a contract with Legal Services where they will check the work being carried out is necessary and the associated costs reasonably incurred otherwise they will not be paid.

Unfortunately that is the system, for someone like Halligen we all pay out, just the same as we have and will continue to do for Kate and Gerry McCann, the Portuguese too!

viv said...

So what could Halligen be looking forward to in the US? About 7 years by the looks of things!

Sentencing Examples
Ponzi Prison

The 66 year old self-described chairman and CEO of MainStreet Enterprises, began to induce individuals to invest in his company by saying that it was in commercial import-export of such things as cars and cigarettes; that it made substantial profits; and that he would share these profits with investors in the form of interest payments, which would result in annualized returns anywhere from 50% to 1,000%.

In fact, MainStreet Enterprises never purchased merchandise in commercial quantities for resale, but only bought merchandise, such as crystal and jewelry, in sample quantities. The money paid to investors as "interest" was simply money that had been received from other investors.

The investors put in about $3 million and received back about $1 million before the scheme collapsed. He used the investors' funds to purchase or lease expensive cars for himself and others. He was sentenced to 115 months of imprisonment based on three mail fraud convictions.

You're Allowed 1-800 Call

A telemarketer was sentenced to two years of probation and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine and a special assessment of $100 for his role in an advance fee telemarketing scheme that netted more than $1.1 million.

All-Win and A-1 placed nationwide newspaper ads and offered personal loans to persons with poor credit histories. When consumers called the 1-800 number in the ads they were told that they had qualified for the loan program and that all they needed to do was send a fee ranging between $199 and $249 to process the loan. None of the thousands of consumers who sent such fees to All-Win or A-1 ever received their loans.

Jack Of All Fraudulent Trades

Charged with racketeering conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy and multiple counts of wire fraud stemming from his participation in the operation of nine different fraudulent telemarketing rooms over five years one scam operator was sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 87 months, to be followed by three years of supervised release and ordered to pay $400,000 in restitution to the victims of his crimes.

His various schemes included selling advertising products to small companies based upon the promise that the purchasers were eligible to win prizes which never existed; accepting expensive art work from sellers on a consignment basis, which he later stole; accepting fees for auto listings based upon fraudulent promises that a system was in place to match buyers with sellers; and various "bust out" schemes through which he obtained goods on credit from wholesalers based upon phony credit references.

The victims of these schemes included private individuals and businesses which marketed various products, including computer equipment, clothing, consumer products and bingo supplies.

S.B. said...

Just testing ~ problems with computer and posting again!

S.B. said...

Wizard and all......,

I have only just read your extract from the Sun ~ does that Antonella Lazzeri ever give up? Or does she work for 'Private Eye'?

With a 2 million quid reward just waiting to be claimed, 'Wayne' burned his estranged fathers confession because it was too hot to handle? Now he is going to meet with the Mccanns dicks to reveal all?

Clarence Mitchell said the dicks are particularly interested in this revelation because it fits their no.l scenario of snatched to order? All I can say is Mitchell is a bigger bloody fool than I ever thought him to be and that's saying something!

In the words of John McEnroe ~ 'You can't be serious'!

viv said...

Hiya SB and good to see you back, I missed you!

This stolen to order and the apparent involvement of Hewlett seems to be a recurrent theme the McCanns are stuck on.

I guess they realised suggesting Hewlett took her, with him dead and over three years gone by, would not enable them to still insist she is alive.

But these ridiculous headlines that only get printed in The Sun or The Daily Wail are really pissing people off, for the umpteenth time, listen guys we are telling you about the perv that took Maddie, oh no, now he is not a perv he is gypsy, I think the McCanns have long since been written off by ordinary members of the public as a couple of nut jobs who also have some pretty serious prejudices. Not capable it would seem of realising the public are now, quite rightly very prejudiced against their very individual style of "parenting".

I would just like them to provide one single scrap of relevant and credible evidence that actually fits their "number one scenario", it wasn't us! No, they are just the two flaming idiots who go on TV to tell us how they left both the doors open and when Maddie said she and the twins had been crying, due to being left alone, they went and done it again. Then they bleat and wail about people suspect them.

Sometimes I would just like to give them both a bloody good shake! Especially when they tell us the police won't help them!

At least they seem to have lost the nerve for demanding more money from newspapers, the police, the bloggers, Goncalo whatever...but my God these two have some thick skulls.

Do they make me angry with this continuing utter rubbish? Just a tad, how about answering the questions and attending a proper police reconstruction, I suppose that would be a cold day in hell for those two!

S.B. said...

Viv,

If in doubt, or even if not in doubt, blame the gypsies! I don't have any sympathy for these travellers who defy all conventional standards and destroy the countryside in the process, it is totally unreasonable to make that sort of accusation without any foundation whatsoever. But then since when did clan Mccann care about the destruction of innocent people?

Of course they can't provide credible evidence to prove their innocence ~ because there isn't any! They must rely on diversional tactics to maintain the delusion, which unfortunately for them has become weaker and weaker as the months pass by.

I know they have proved themselves to be the personification of Lucifer but even 'they' must have realised that there would come a time when the populace would stop listening and believing! Or have we not yet quite reached that phase?

Di said...

Hi All

Hi Viv

I just read your post about Maddie possibly being sprung.

That would fit with the question to Kate about giving custody to a relative. It would also fit with the fact than none of us know exactly what Madeleine actually looked like when she disappeared, we do not even know the true colour of her hair. We also do not know if she did have a colomboma as it is not mentioned on her passport and we have no medical records to prove it is the case.

So yes, if we were to dismiss the dogs, we might just be about to have another sighting of Madeleine and her eventual recovery and the biggest con ever.

I wish it could be the case and Madeleine has been well looked after and will be found safe, but sadly I don't think so, but I would love to be proved wrong.

S.B. said...

Evening all.....

I've just visited the 'official' findmadeleine site and note an important message from Gerald and Kate (I think).

In the form of a short video reconstruction, we have a new impoved version of a fantom lurker surveying what is I presume 5A.

"Do you know this man"? "Have you ever seen this man before"? ~ No on both counts!

One thing does occur to me ~ why would a potential abductor or an accomplice to an abductor blatantly stand about in broad daylight, eyeing up a particular apartment for the world to see?

Nothing suspicious here ~ literally!

S.B. said...

Apologies if this has already been stated but if you look again at Morais blog, the documents from Companies House identify both Douglas Skehan and John Mccann as having RESIGNED!

viv said...

Hello both

I have just been a really bad driver!

Showing Luke woodland area near where we are moving to, oak half cut down, reversed into it!

It has shattered the rear windscreen broken one of the lens covers and the bumper is sort of hanging off a bit lol! And that is just what we can see so far! Strangely enough my son Nev was going to put new brakes on the front for me tomorrow, maybe he should have done so a bit sooner.

My back and shoulder ache as usual so turning around is hard, that is the only excuse I can think of and of course had it been a full oak I might have noticed it better!

S.B. said...

Is that not taking the term 'logging-on' a bit too literally?

I trust you are still in one piece!

viv said...

Oh Lol SB!

I am OK but my neck back shoulder hands now ache just a bit more than they did anyway. Luke was off work because he had strained a muscle in his chest but had to pull my bumper back out again. We both came home and immediately had an arthrotec tablet each!

We have been working really hard getting the house and garden here tidy, just need to take a break I think!

viv said...

Hiya Di, I notice from Facebook your gorgeous little grandson will be one in a few days. How quickly time goes by!

I hope you all enjoy the most fantastic party and am sure he will have a lovely time on his birthday. By the way, the pic of you, you look more like sister to your children than mom, have you thought of entering the glamour nan contest!

As you say, there are a lot of reasons why it could be said the McCanns have just stashed Maddie away somewhere. I have never been able to understand why the PJ would ask her such a question, did you think of transferring custody to a relative, if they did not have specific intelligence suggesting that was the case. Neither have I been able to understand why she would refuse to answer what would clearly be a highly insulting question to any normal mom. It is not the least bit unusual for nans to bring up their child, but also Gerry's siter and her school teacher husband seem to have had a great deal to do with the care of Madeleine when Kate was pregnant with the twins and could not look after her properly. Did Maddie actually get sent home to UK whilst they were in Holland, I have always wondered. Gerry's mother also seems to have been very close to little Maddie.

To me, there is clear and almost indisputable evidence that they planned to get rid of Madeleine and I have always found it difficult to accept they actually planned to go to Portugal and murder her, but for someone as odd as this couple that is certainly very possible.

By continuing to insist she is alive and got stolen to order it clearly would leave the way open for them to suddenly find her and they would clearly need to do that, whilst at the same time having someone else to blame. Enter the so called gypies taking her which is just ridiculous.

I think we all accept the chances of Eddie actually having smelt Maddie's corpse remains a very strong possibility but somehow I do seriously wonder. I cannot help but feel that Gerry has seriously cashed in further on the dogs and I do not think he would have done so if Eddie was actually correct. It is even possible Gerry could have contaminated Kate's clothes with cadaver odour. When you are looking at a narcissist, you have to think the utterly bizarre and the utterly unthinkable and then realise, that is what they are capable of.

It would be wonderful if Madeleine is alive and well and it would certainly explain how they were so unconcerned, but murderers react in the same way.

Gerry has been just a bit too obvious to me, that as and when it suited him, he would find Madeleine, he never seemed to be in any rush. It does remain a very strong possibility and would also explain the police attitude to it all and why they have not been able to proceed with prosecuting them. Getting Maddie back would always be their number one priority, they would feel that any prosecution does not need to be a priority in that situation.

viv said...

Di, short of the fact a little baby blond may be more appealing than Maddie actually was at the time of her disappearance, quite grown up looking brown hair, I can think of no reason why the McCanns play on this "blond" business other than to make sure Maddie is not actually spotted. The same with getting people to look for this colomboma that it does not seem that she actually had.


Not only do they perpetually describe Maddie as "blond", they have extensively used a picture of her with RED hair. If she is dead just why would they want to cause such utter confusion about what she looked like? I do not think there can be any doubt they have almost always used pictures when Maddie was only two or just turned three, to the extent that many bloggers referred to her as being small for her age. Do they not realise, she was small because she was nowhere near four in those pictures? Remember when they showed pictures of her aged two and said that was from Christmas 2006, just before she disappeared. That was quite obviously a lie, it was Christmas 2005, one of the twins can be seen as a baby still crawling on the floor? There has to be a very good reason why they have lied to this extent and knowing the police are actually watching them doing this!

viv said...

Hiya again SB

I think most people do realise it was two resignations.

John McCann about 23 July and then a month later Gerry's boss on 24 August.

That certainly suggests to me they know there is new evidence that makes their position of defending Kate and Gerry untenable and dangerous for them. If you are knowingly engaged in fraud you are going to get done for it, they may well escape by getting out now and saying the dogs were not evidence, which of course they are not.

To me, Gerry has always been intent on making the public think Kate killed Madeleine, he likes the dogs! I think Kate is mentally ill and he threatens her, shut up or I will get you sent down.

viv said...

SB

I entirely agree, if there were predators who planned to steal Madeleine (!), there is no way on earth they would have just kept hanging around outside the apt in broad daylight for people to so clearly identify them.

More likely Gerry paid him to get spotted!

viv said...

Hats off to The Guardian who are writing some cracking stuff on the growing pressure being faced by former News of the World Editor, Andy Coulson.

He presided over a regime at the News of the World that saw two of his journalists sent to prison for illegal phone hacking to get stories. Some, apparently were considered satisfactory to just be ignored by London Met Police, but when it came to hacking the mobiles of Princes William and Harry, that was a step too far.

Coulson bullied and harassed one sports journalist so badly, he was ultimately awarded almost a million in compensation at an Employment Tribunal.

Coulson was appointed special media adviser to Cameron in his bid to win the General Election and Clarence Mitchell was appointed as his deputy checking out the public's view which he is clearly good at. Would that include hacking bloggers computers? Well nothing would surprise me.

At present Downing Street are backing Coulson and ripping into his detractor. Alan Johnson and Lord Prescott are demanding action from London Met for failing to warn them that Coulson had authorised their phones to be hacked into.

Gerry of course, just loves the News of the World and The Sun owned by dirty Murdoch. How interesting there were so many bloggers insisting the Labour government were protecting Kate and Gerry McCann, including Tony, I will do anything for the money, Bennett. Utterly bent IMO.

Who is it that finished up working for the tories, Clarence Mitchell, good mate of Andy Coulson. So hang on a minute how truthful can it be to suggest it was actually the Labour Party who were protecting Kate and Gerry, talk about a blatant lie.

I hope all of those who are genuinely interested in justice for little Maddie McCann can clearly remember the perpetrators of these wicked lies and just who was so closely supporting Barmy Bennett.

Coulson was called to give evidence to the Commons Select Committee as was Gerry McCann and Clarence Mitchell whilst we still had a Labour Government. He lied and insisted he did not know anything about people's phones being bugged. Listen up guys that could include me or you! If you think Gerry often knows too much, he does!

If this story serves to cause huge political embarrassment to David Cameron I can only say, good, because anyone who supports the likes of Coulson who has obviously been so closely involved with Gerry McCann deserves showing up.

Read all about it here, it is fascinating!

Well done Guardian and America and the good old BBC!

viv said...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/21/phone-hacking-news-world

viv said...

Mitchell's eyes became sore, reading bloggers comments about his pink shirts. Poor chap got a complex about it and burned them all:-))))

viv said...

Murky "Private Investigator" hired by the News of the World..I don't know, where does Gezzy McScam get all his ideas from eh?

Potential phone-hacking victims put alleged police failures in spotlightClaim for judicial review could extend to all individuals on former News of the World employee Glenn Mulcaire's list
(1)Tweet this (19)Afua Hirsch guardian.co.uk, Friday 3 September 2010 22.52 BST Article history
Brian Paddick, who is among a group calling for a judicial review challenging the Met's decision not to release information. Photograph: Graham Turner

Lawyers are looking at thousands of potential claims against Scotland Yard for its alleged failure to conduct effective investigations into allegations of unlawful phone interceptions.

The Guardian has learned that a claim for judicial review – which will ask the high court to scrutinise the conduct of Scotland Yard in dealing with the case – could extend to all individuals on Glenn Mulcaire's list. Mulcaire was a private investigator hired by the News of the World .

If a judge was in the future to rule against News Group, the owner of the News of the World, one of the court orders could be for the individuals to be paid damages.

"We require the police to serve details on all parties affected by this," said Tamsin Allen at Bindmans solicitors. "All have an identical interest in the claim and have a right to the claim form as interested parties.

"My clients say that even though there might be much bigger sums at stake, they decided that there was a public interest in bringing the claim that they are bringing because it's about holding a public authority to account. They think that the police should have done more," said Allen.

"Because our clients weren't told that they were victims they couldn't take simple steps that would have protected their privacy, like changing their mobile phone numbers or sim cards. They were never given an opportunity because police never told them."

Bindmans said it would be issuing a judicial review on behalf of former Europe minister Chris Bryant, former Metropolitan police deputy assistant commissioner Brian Paddick, and journalist and author Brendan Montague, challenging the Met's decision not to release information to potential victims of the News of the World's phone tapping.

"The police are failing in their obligations by refusing to provide the information to those victims who have asked for it," said Dominic Crossley, a partner at law firm Collyer Bristow, who is representing former deputy prime minister John Prescott in a similar claim against the police. He added: "John Prescott and others are entitled to know exactly what went on and when and what they have.

"It would enable them to protect themselves in the future, to get the necessary records from the phone companies, and revealing the extent of these activities would discourage a culture by which such behaviour is regarded as acceptable in future."

The case could also shed light on allegations that one of the reasons for Scotland Yard's failure to conduct a more thorough investigation was its close relationship with News Group.

"It is a possible consequence of the judicial review that the decision-making within the Met police is examined. For what reasons were the prosecution limited to the small number that it was? Who made that decision?" Crossley asked.

The claim for judicial review comes with private legal claims still under way against News Group for breach of privacy. However, under the terms of any likely settlement of those actions, lawyers expect details to remain confidential, preventing the cases from revealing wider information about the role of the police. It has emerged that publicist Max Clifford received a £1m settlement and Gordon Taylor, a former chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association, £700,000.

viv said...

Big L has been making me really cry again the naughty man! He is just so hysterically funny!!!

hi folks and also gerry you twat i,m still here
the one and only big_l Today at 1:01 am

.hope alls well with you all and i,ve been trying to catch up with some posts, WELL WELL so the fund is loosing some of its directors eh TUT TUT gerry never mind rothley towers, gerry it was easy to bring down the walls of jerico with a bugle ( eh i mean bugle as in a musical instument gerry not a f_cking paper so don,t try to sue it eh ).
so i wonder if its true what my sources told me gerry ? that you and kate were seen out side tesco,s sitting on top of a pile of scratched off lottery instants shouting "keep fucking scratching kate we,ve still got £30 in the fund and i,m sure theres a £100,000 ticket in this lot "


poor sod gerry if you weren,t such an up your arse barsteward i might have felt sorry for you BUT lifes a bitch when your brotherhood start deserting ya


tick tock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

viv said...

After a trial lasting a massive five years, the victims of Casa Pia, so seriously sexually abused by doctors and others at the high end of Portuguese Society finally get justice.

Maybe we should remember just one thing, who was the senior officer in charge of this sexual abuse case, DR PAULO REBELO, the same officer that was ultimately brought in to investigate the Maddie case. I believe his specialist skills and knowledge were required...people assume that because there is currently no visible result there never will be, how shortsighted of them. Justice can be slow, but for the perpetrators of such serious crimes, painful. I am sure not one day passes by without Kate and Gerry realising that.

Seven people have been found guilty of sex crimes in a Portuguese child abuse case.

Judges at a Lisbon court detailed dozens of charges of sex abuse against 32 children at the Casa Pia children's home in Lisbon.

Six men and a woman were found guilty of repeated sexual abuse and running a paedophile ring at the home during the 1990s.

Since 2004 the court has heard testimony from nearly a thousand witnesses in what has become the longest running trial in Portugese history.

The trial came about after one of the children at the Casa Pia state run children's home claimed they had been raped by a former driver and gardener at the home, Carlos Silvino, in November 2002.

Silvino, 53, admitted to 600 charges of child abuse, rape and supplying children to his wealthy clients.

The other defendants, including a former tv presenter Carlos Cruz and diplomat and former Portugese ambassador Jorge Ritto, had repeatedly claimed their innocence during the trial.

S.B. said...

Hi Viv.....,

Arthrotec? Qu'est ce que c'est?

Is your move that imminent?

viv said...

Hiya SB

Arthrotec is diclofenac with a special coating to stop damage to stomach/gut. It is an anti inflammatory for arthritis.

I am not sure how long now, probably another 4 - 5 weeks.


xxx

viv said...

TEST

S.B. said...

Hi Viv....,

An NSAID I presume ~ thanks for the information!

viv said...

Hiya SB

Yes that is a much quicker way of putting it.

Tentatively, is the blog working again?

it always seems to be when I do a long post and do not save it!

viv said...

ah do not talk about the McCanns and it will behave!

The MI6 worker who died was working on super blue toothing, just locking onto peoples computers and phones, not that they would be any the wiser, how odd it seems his body was set to dissolve quickly, down the plughole, but it was not quite working I gather.

viv said...

The headlines in the Daily Express, Maddie link to Casa Pia. The article finishes with Clarence Mitchell saying there are no leads linking her disappearance to Casa Pia. Still taking the mick it would seem!

I mean come come Clarence, you can link it to poshalike and burnaletter delivered by a spookalike. Both on apparent aged stories of drunken recollections..

Anyway I can think of Casa Pia link, Dr Paulo Rebelo, expert in investigating sexual abuse of children. Now that is something to stop the public from thinking about I am sure.

viv said...

When writing the below post on Jo Morais I had not seen the post from Guerra but it would seem, he/she was having some pretty similar thoughts.

05/09/2010 15:52
Anonymous said... 111
I did not follow the Casa Pia case from the beginning so I can't give an opinion as to whether justice prevailed or not. What I find strange is seeing people that were sentenced for their crimes giving press conferences instead of going directly to jail. It bothers me that people convicted of such serious crimes are able to walk free while they await the hearing of their appeal.

The British media is so predictable, they will leave no stone unturned to protect the image of this riffraff McCann couple. Last week they were telling us the story about a missive, a letter that no longer exists, received by a man from his estranged father. A missive in which the now deceased declared that a drunken gypsy had let slip that Madeleine had been stolen by an established gang of gypsies in Portugal on the request of a rich childless couple. Apparently, Madeleine's disappearance had nothing to do with a paedophile ring. Now the British media is trying to link the Casa Pia case to the Madeleine case, it appears the paedophile ring is back in vogue again.

The Portuguese Press should devote a section in their newspapers to the comical stories written in the British Media. They should entitle the section "The McCann Circus."

guerra

05/09/2010 22:16
viv said... 112
Well I reckon the Daily Express are still having a bit of a laugh with Gerry McCann. One of the few media organisations in the UK that is not controlled by tory loving Murky Murdoch and so they were ripe for a half a million ripoff from Team McScam.

Of course next year, shock horror, when they look at the bank balance following another mad spending/money laudering spree, they had to feast their eyes this time on one Goncalo Amaral, but over a year gone by and he don't seem to be handing over


I mean surely, that article starts with saying the Casa Pia connection and finishes with the Pink Shirty One denying there is any leads from that. But he can make leads from a spectral paedo getting some erm private investigator to deliver a letter to his son that he then burns and then mentions months later, about an apparent conversation said paedo had with drunken gypsy, or some drunk has recall several months, I mean years, later about a poshalike. Makes me think there must be, Dr Paulo Rebelo, specialist in child sex offenders, now there is a common denominator, but of course Mitchell's job is to make us think just the opposite and I reckon the Daily Express just gently try to re-adjust the focus.

I reckon when it came to deciding who they could cash in on for doggy death stories the Express were best because Murdoch was more handy to have on side for the positive spin. But there again there has been some pretty negative stuff printed on Sky. Still, I cannot see the McCanns seriously getting to tell Murdoch the way things are going to be. Sure he likes a mad story though.

05/09/2010 23:28

viv said...

Just leaving aside for one moment that no innocent couple who had their daughter abducted would want to spend money meant to find her on their own personal media spinner.

If they were innocent what would expect the press release to be concerning Halligen defrauding them of £300,000 that seems to have actually shrinked from £500,000.

Knowing how hot under the collar Mitchell can be would it not be something like this, I mean remember the angry gloves off comments about the supposed slights of the Portuguese Police

"Kate and Gerry contracted with this man in good faith to operate a phone line and report to them on all leads and also carry out field operations actively searching for Madeleine. In blatant breach of contract Halligen failed to deliver any telephone leads to Kate and Gerry, failed to pay others, and failed to carry out any work at all to look for Madeleine.

Accordingly, I can announce that Kate and Gerry are extremely upset that they trusted this man with the publics generously donated money and they intend to recover it from his assets. They will do so in two ways:

1) They will be seeking compensation within the criminal action against him in America and pointing out they are entitled to recover from his assets, namely a property valued at over one million.

2) To ensure they do receive a share of assets to reimburse the Maddie Fund, they are also pursuing a civil action against him for breach of contract and unjust enrichment. As part of that process an injunction will be sought freezing his assets and a tracing action run to seize and sell sufficient assets to recoup the monies he was paid.

These actions have been jointly decided among the Directors of the Find Maddie Fund, who have a fiduciary duty to the Fund and are therefore taking these actions in accordance with that duty. Our aim has always been to spend the money wisely to find Madeleine.

The telephone company in America that were never paid have agreed to pass on all phone messages that Halligen never even listened to. Our investigators will be working through these for any vital leads that may have been missed. "


But, oh, the reality! Big mouthed Mitchell can only say "no comment". This Halligen business must be pure hell for these two scoundrels! But there again, if you employ a scoundrel it should come as no surprise when he gets himself into other little bits of bother, yours aside! Damn those Americans eh and their phone records the McCanns never even asked to listen to! But I am sure it did divert lots of nosey parkers from calling the police, just as they intended.

S.B. said...

Viv......,

If you strip Halligans supposed involvement with the Mccanns fund of all it's frippery and thus expose the bare fabrication what are left with?

'To operate a phone line and report to them on all leads and to carry out field operations to actively search for Madeleine'.

In reality, what the friggin hell does that brief actually mean?

Who invented such a ridiculously fictional job description ~ and all for the meagre sum of half a million quid? If your main objective is to defy the law and at the same time delude the populace I should have thought something a little more creative would be more effective!

Again Mr and Mrs Mccann 10 out of 10 for ingenuity!

viv said...

Hiya SB

Imagine being the parent of a missing four year old, Kate and Gerry have both said she may be held by paedophiles. What they do to children is quite unminaginable and agonsing for that child, both mentally and physically.

And so, believing that may well be happening to your precious little girl, do you employ someone to set up a phone line in America? Having done so, do you never once demand with intense urgency that you want to know what the phone messages contain, possibly some news of your poor daughter?

When you have found out the man is a fraudster and he never even listened to the phone calls or even paid the bill, do you not pay the bill and avidly listen to all those messages?

Or do you do what Kate and Gerry were doing to find her the same night she went missing, absolutely nothing, apart from Gerry wailing on the phone to relatives some gang of Portuguese paedophile have stolen her. Tell the police the next day, you checked on them regularly with your key to the front door, but left the rear patio door open for "others" to check.

6 days later change your mind about that and say well I did not use the front door and neither did my wife, we made our checks through the rear door. Oh and because he had told his relatives they found the front door lying wide open, tell the police on this occasion, well I don't think I locked that either.

If people actually believe Gerry may have been leaving his apartment wide open for paedophiles to access Madeleine, who could blame them?

I hope the pressure never lets up on this revolting couple.

It is interesting that they are so keen to threaten people for mentioning the dogs, but they never threaten people who actually think it might be considerably worse than that do they?

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE

Wizard said...

Hiv Viv,

Just quickly reading back. A belated thank you for the information on legal aid representation.

Wizard said...

Sunday Express: “A GROUP of rich and powerful men in Portugal have been jailed for their involvement in a paedophile ring which some believe is linked to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.”

The “.....some that believe is linked to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann” is Express speak for those who have lost touch with reality. LOL

viv said...

Hiya Wiz

I hope that was helpful, basically the view is that extradition proceedings are criminal in nature, he risks losing his liberty big time and so his human rights demand he needs proper representation to defend the case against him for his extradition. He is not legally aided for the criminal proceedings themselves, that will be up to American justice to provide for him:-))) I am not sure they are quite so kind. It may well be a case then of him having some third rate state defender. Here's hoping, that is, if he goes.

Wizard said...

Today’s front-page exclusive in the Mail is the story of Natascha Kampusch who was held captive for eight years in an underground dungeon. Quickly reading this story, I can see no reference to the McCann case. Perhaps even the Mail cannot quite bring themselves to link the McCanns' version of events i.e. their daughter is still alive and in the hands of a stranger paedophile when describing the horrors of a real abduction.

viv said...

Hiya Wiz, I don't think the Daily Express are even bothering with too much subtlety.

It is a bit like oils on canvass big broad strokes to give a pretty clear impression of what the artist had in mind.

"a group of rich and powerful men" "paedophiles" "links to Maddie"!


What is really powerful for me is the way they invite Mitchell to comment and he DENIES there is any lead from this case. That is odd for a man who is so keen to insist there are still leads that do not involve Kate and Gerry. Maybe this one does!

Gerry and Payne had previously been to Portugal. Fiona says it was Payne's idea to go to Portugal. When the Police cross examine him about this in some depth at his rogatory, he tries to suggest other countries were considered but claims that at the end of April, Egypt, Greece, Turkey are all closed, so it could only be Portugal.

Egypt for certain and I believe quite possibly Turkey too are hotter than Southern Portugal and a check reveals all three of those resorts most certainly are open in April, in fact Egypt is open all winter, it is a winter resort for Brits where it is still very hot compared to Britain, but not the ferocious heat of the summer months that Brits could not cope with.

Payne had a specific reason for being grilled by the police on this, and a specific reason for being an evasive liar.

Fiona also says that she and her mother got back from the tennis courts around 7 and 10 minutes later her husband "appeared", she does not say where from.

Madeleine was coming up to school age, I believe they had no intention of ever allowing that little girl to get to school.

viv said...

Hiya Wiz

I recall that quite horrically, Gerry actually stated he and Kate "draw comfort from cases like Kampusch". But that was at the stage where he was still quite happy to suggest, three years down the line, Maddie is giving a gang of paedophiles her "tuppence worth".... really bad phraseology there Kate given what tuppence means colloquially. Perhaps a Freudian slip.

Now they appear to be at the even more bizarre stage of insisting, without a single scrap of evidence to back their theory of course, that Maddie was stolen to order by gypies but not for the consumption of paedophiles, for some kindly couple.

Unless they intend to suddenly spring an alive and well Maddie from wherever they stashed her, their various claims are as non-sensical as ever.

Wizard said...

Quite rightly Viv you say Egypt, Greece, Turkey are all ‘open’ in April and again as you point out Egypt is open the whole year round. Luxor where we stayed a year ago has the Shah of Persia’s old Winter Palace where he stayed during the winter months. The Winter Palace has now been turned into a 5 star hotel and a very nice one too.

viv said...

Why is a powerful American paper running to the expense of a massive investigation into phone bugging by the News of the World in Britain?

They are not fools, what could the connection be that may give them the leading edge on the news as it unfolds?

I am fascinated by the beleagured Coulson case. Today Home Secretary Theresa May had to say she will not intervene in a police decision, it is an operational matter, they have chosen to further investigate the New York Times claims, so be it. But that must be intensely embarrassing for our new Leader as he grimly hangs on to the culprit in true Brit Politics style. To promptly give in and ditch the unfortunate Coulson would splash so much egg over Cameron's face. Only just seized office and look what lengths he went to, to do so.

Maybe I am being over optimistic but I think there is a Kate and Gerry connection here too. Who is it that is so overly friendly and helpful to Kate and Gerry McCann, the News of the World. Who was the Editor in 2007, Mr Coulson. Of course he had to resign in 2007 because his private investigator who was being paid to bug phones got caught red handed. Trotting out phone conversations Prince William had in the News of the World, that is not something Scotland Yard could just ignore.

Who did Mr Coulson want as his deputy manipulator/public spy. Mendacious Mitchell.

When you are in big trouble, if you are rich, or fortunate enough to have defrauded the public to the tune of millions to make yourself rich, the first thing you need to get yourself is a media spokesman. Because anything you do say will be noted by the police and may be used in evidence against you.

On the news tonight we hear "a spokesman for Mr Coulson" being quoted. Now I wonder who that could be? If Coulson now needs such a spokesman he is half way out the door, Cameron will just be thinking of a way to graciously accept his resignation without any sh!t sticking to him, or so he believes.

viv said...

Wow Wiz that Winter Palace sounds nice!

I am off for week of lazing in the Red Sea with my sister and parents in Nov, just cannot wait, but hope my solicitors do not think that is when they are completing my purchase. They clearly did not hear of urgency!

When my sister got married a few years ago they were buying a house and that actually happened. They literally dropped their stuff in their new home and cleared off on holiday, can't be bad! In my own case Luke would have it all tidied up for me when I return, I am sure (not) lol

viv said...

Mr Halligen made a pretty good job of straggling Britain and America in his erm money making schemes.

I hope we have more to look forward to from the New York Times!

viv said...

whoops I think I meant straddling, but I am sure he is straggling now lol!

viv said...

I have put a pic of Kate at the top of this thread as she looked for Spanish TV, shortly after being declared an official suspect.

She is wide eyed with dilated pupils and her mouth is full. That gives her a much softer and more appealing look, compared with the photo underneath. This programme was clearly intended to capture the hearts and minds. I bet Gerry even thought of getting her to sit there is a bathing costume, but Kate thought her own improvements were more mumsy and subtle.

viv said...

On a lighter note, I just popped over to Rosiepops pink sewer of a bog. He obviously wants the adverstising revenue, Google choose ads that they think suit the content of your blog and this is them, I kid you not! I wonder if they will get this not so subtle hint, probably not!

They are happily babbling away insisting the libel trial is going ahead (it is just the summer recess dont you know) and Goncalo will lose everything including his wife, does Gerry want her too?

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viv said...

Theresa May, the home secretary, dismissed calls for a judicial inquiry, though she voiced support for the Met (in relation to their investigation and prosecutions into the News of the World phone bugging scandal)

"Any police investigation is an operational matter in which ministers have no role. The Metropolitan police have indicated that if there is further evidence, they will look at it. That is the right course of action and it is right for the government to await the outcome."

If a police investigation is an operational matter in which ministers have no role, I wonder what her role was in seeing Kate and Gerry McCann or did she just trot out the above to them and see them because curiosity killed the cat?

British Police have no jurisdiction to independantly investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from Portugal, unless they are doing so from the starting point that her British parents were responsible for that disappearance. In which case they clearly have jurisdiction and I am quite certain that is what they are doing.

Note their comment last December, we intend to bring to justice those behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Unless that was British subjects who offended abroad they cannot do that.

They also stated they would not comment on the ongoing investigation until such time as there had not only been a trial but the appropriate length of time had elapsed for any appeal against conviction. They could not be making it much plainer they are planning a British trial of those offenders and do not wish to do anything at all to prejudice that trial.

Even those who only have A level law would probably have learned this!

If you are a British parent, it is no excuse or get out clause to go abroad to do the dirty deed, British Police will still get you if you pop back home. If you stay abroad they will assist the foreign country to get you, there is no escape.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND PLEASE REMEMBER MS MAY, IT IS AN OPERATIONAL MATTER, WISH THEM ALL GOOD SPEED AND ASSISTANCE THEY MAY REQUIRE FOR WHAT THE BRITISH PUBLIC WANT TO SEE. KATE, GERRY, PAYNE ET AL, BEHIND BARS, FROM MY OWN POINT OF VIEW A MUCH LONGER SENTENCE FOR PAYNE AND GERRY AND MAYBE OTHERS I.E. RUSSELL OB AND THE OTHERS WHO HAVE SOUGHT TO PERVERT THE COURSE OF JUSTICE

Wizard said...

The McCannfile site is reporting that Leicestershire Constabulary have remove Madeleine McCann from the 'Missing persons' section of their website.

What if any significance this has I’m not sure.

viv said...

Hiya Wiz

I have checked and that is true, she has gone from their webpage.

It is clearly of great significance, Leicester Police no longer accept she is a missing person.

Perhaps that can only mean one of two things:

1) They know she is dead
2) They know that her parents know exactly where she is.

Either way it clearly leaves us in no doubt the McCanns are in very serious trouble with Leicester Police which I have always been quite certain was indeed the case.

If Theresa May is hassling them to be a little more proactive against the McCanns, good for her! Yes, they need protection from the public, but first and foremost, Madeleine needs justice!

viv said...

London Met seem to have acted the role of bent government quango really well.

A whiff of scandal, a complaint? How to make this go away, ignore the people who know anything at all, do NOT speak to them, do NOT investigate them and then there will be nothing on file, simples!

But they are not the first government quango to learn that rotten apples fester...and then they infect the ones you were trying to protect.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/sep/07/andy-coulson-police-phone-hacking

No wonder Kate and Gerry want the London Met to "investigate" Lol!!

Tough Gez you seem to be stuck with provincial LP who do things just a bit better and do not get caught up in political intrigue they just keep going until they can lock thugs like you up:-)))

viv said...

The maximum sentence a Magistrates Court can give for any one offence is 6 months, or 12 month in total for more than one offence.

So this utter thug got the maximum. But the Judge did have an alternative, he could have remanded him in custody and remitted him to a Crown Court Judge for sentencing where his powers of sentence are unlimited.


For such a brutal attack causing pretty serious injury, I believe an ordinary member of the public would have been charged with wounding and given 12 to 18 months for a first offence.

Whilst it is good he has been sent down, and as a police officer he will suffer a lot, the fact is he will only serve three months at most and then come out under probation supervision. It is just not enough for the horrific attack he inflicted on this little lady who did no more than be a bit gobby and awkward, surely what police officers are trained to properly deal with.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309846/Custody-sergeant-threw-innocent-woman-floor-jailed-months.html

viv said...

But presumably he will also lose his well paid job and gold plated pension.

Serves him right!

S.B. said...

Hi all.....,

Only just seen the Sunday Express article ~ what can you say?

Pedro Namora said (amongst other things) "It is possible that those connected with the ring who 'have not been caught' may be involved in Madeleins disappearance. I do think detectives should look at this possibility. No stone should be left unturned" ~ Unquote.

Those predictable words again ~ NO STONE SHOULD BE LEFT UNTURNED! Again Mr and Mrs Mccann, 10 out of 10 for ingenuity!

Di said...

Hi all

Wizard that is interesting have LP also removed the direct link the Find Madeleine website?

Hi Viv

6 months is a disgrace for what that policeman did. Will he be with all the other inmates or will he be kept seperate for his protection?

Glad we are up and running again.

Di said...

Hi Wizard

Have just seen on MCF that the fund link has gone as well.

viv said...

Hiya all

SB I had not actually thought of it, that way around, that this lawyer was actually saying what the McCanns wanted to hear, particularly given Clarence denies they have any leads from this. Amazing for one who can back the most absurd rubbish.

I related the Sun story to my parents earlier, in unison: what utter rubbish!


Di, Dare we hope something is seriously starting to happen, two directors resigned, both very close to Gerry and these removals by LP?

If a case is pending, the Crown Prosecution Service will insist upon absolute secrecy whilst they decide whether to charge and the appropriate charges. They would have quite a legal selection box here! Both in terms of the number of defendants involved and the range of possible charges.

Police officers normally have to be kept segregated from other prisoners for their own safety and I would have thought the nature of the offence would heighten that risk. I hope he does not get sent to some cushy prison for white collars. There is one in Surrey, cannot remember the name. Probably not for a relatively short sentence.

It is good to see the blog working again, I am quietly optimistic !

viv said...

Leyhill!

Wizard said...

Hi SB and Di,

The Leicestershire police’s removal of info regarding MBM from their website. I’ve had my hope dashed so many times before I’m not counting on this meaning something is about to happen. But as Viv says it is significant and we will have to wait and see.

viv said...

Hiya SB

But the following day, like magic, it is back again and I know it was not there because I checked.

I think the McCanns watch the blogs very carefully and promptly lobbied LP to put it back again, no doubt citing a similar argument to the one they may have used with the Home Sec, you have not yet proved we had anything to do with it, so we are entitled to be considered innocent and to have Maddie listed as missing. No doubt they also, or their minions like media monitoring Mitchell, watch the blogs and probably said to the police, see we are already in danger... your removal of Maddie as a missing person is being taken as confirmation we killed her and dumped her body,,, we will be lynched by this lot!

I wish some bloggers would just be a bit more circumspect, regardless of how convinced they are the McCanns did that!

viv said...

If they actually thought it through, maybe they would realise they play into the hands of the McCanns and against the man they say they want to support, Goncalo Amaral. Regardless, none of us want him to lose!

viv said...

I was just watching Panorama again, so interesting after such a long break, things can be seen more in context.

Mr Corner filming the McCanns in PDL. I would say ready for Maddie the Movie. He says he did not influence the McCanns, they just shot an awful lot of film, I just let the cameras keep rolling. Yes but WHY Mr Corner?


I think the Portuguese police officer is called Mr Costa, he is pleasant and seems sensible and non biased, just wanting to carefully analyse the facts. He is speaking at a time when Mr Rebelo has taken over. He says that the forensic evidence did not give any conclusive matches to Madeleine, it was no more than indicative, therefore they could not say that Madeleine died because that could be wrong. That should have been a sensible bit of advice for Goncalo Amaral.

He also said something I found particularly fascinating that I had not picked up before, they felt a THIRD person may have been involved. I believe that person is David Payne. Say he killed Madeleine, or helped to arrange her abduction, now why would the McCanns cover that up? There can be only one reason for that. They were complicit in what had been happening to her.

Both Kate and Gerry's facial expressions and underdeveloped acting skills at this stage are particularly damning. Kate is so incredibly matter of fact and Gerry like a naughty little lying school boy.

Panorama point out at the end, the McCanns will not be able to clear their name if there is no criminal case for them to answer, how right they are!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7100000/newsid_7103400/7103460.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2