AND HAS NO PLANS TO SUE GONALO AMARAL FOR SAYING SO, WHO FEELS, AS I DO THAT THE EVIDENCE WOULD SUGGEST MADELEINE FELL FROM THE SOFAThe Expresso interview
Article by: Raquel Moleiro and Rui Gustavo
06 September 2008
Thanks to 'astro' for translation
Maddie case: In their first interview since they quit being suspects in the disappearance of their daughter, Kate and Gerry McCann spoke about the re-launch of the investigation, the fear that they felt in Portugal and the unshakable certainty that Madeleine was abducted"Nothing in the process says that Madeleine has died"Q – What are you presently doing to find Madeleine?
Gerry – We have had private investigators working with us for several months. Now that the case has been archived, it's easier because we accessed the process. We carried out new interviews with those that had already testified. And we interviewed others who approached us and had never spoken before.
Kate – As we didn't know what the PJ had done, we repeated everything that seemed important to us.Q – Do the new witnesses offer clues about the disappearance?
Gerry – Some report sightings, but it's not likely that they lead to our daughter. We are more interested in people that offer credible information that can be verified through photographs or in another form; people who know who may be involved.Q – What impression did you get from the process? Were you shocked over its contents?
Gerry – We were investigated into the smallest detail. There are entire volumes about us. We can jump those. It must be disquieting information that will not help us to find Madeleine.
Q – Don't you think that everything that was possible to do, was done? The investigation reached Poland, the Netherlands, Spain, Morocco…
Gerry – Morocco is a good example of what went wrong. A sighting was reported and it was said that there were cameras at the petrol station. When the inspectors went there, they concluded that there were none. The truth is that there were none in the pump area, but in the shop. And when the PJ returned, the tape had been recorded over.
Kate – It's difficult to describe how it feels to have our daughter taken away… We want to see action everywhere. We wanted spotlights, we wanted helicopters, we wanted everyone on the street, searching.
Q – If Madeleine had disappeared in England, would things have been different?
Gerry – If it had happened in a British city, I have no doubts. But I don't know if it would have been different if we had been in a small village in Scotland. Clearly, the English police are more experienced in abductions, they are more alert.
Q – If you have an important clue concerning Madeleine's whereabouts, will you transmit it to the Portuguese police?
Gerry – If something needs to be done in Portugal, we'll have to. We cannot go around breaking doors down or arresting people. But only when we feel that we cannot advance any further on our own.
Q – Do you trust the Portuguese authorities, after having been considered suspects?
Gerry – We wouldn't mind if we had been investigated at the beginning, if they thought that could help. But months later, when the evidence had been lost? It's that once the suspicion is installed, we can never prove our innocence again.
Q – Didn't you find it strange that the dogs found traces of blood in your room and in your rental car…
Gerry – There was no blood found! The indicia are worthless if they are not corroborated by forensic information. And they were not.
Q – 40 apartments were investigated and the dogs only marked yours. Ten cars and they only reacted to yours.
Gerry – These dogs' frailty was proved by a study that was carried out in the USA, in the case of a man that had been accused of murder. They had ten rooms, and in each room four boxes were placed, containing vegetables, bones, trash. Some contained human remains. They stayed there for ten hours. Eight hours after the boxes were removed, the dogs came in. And the dogs failed two thirds of the attempts. Imagine the reliability when these dogs test an apartment three months after the disappearance of a child.
Q – Were you surprised when you were made arguidos?
Kate – It was not surprising after weeks with the media saying that we were suspects. And there we have to ask why the information that reached the media was disfigured. Why do the newspapers say that blood was found in the apartment when the police report does not confirm it? Why was it said that the DNA that was found in the car was a 100% match with Madeleine's?
Gerry – In a way, we would like to have been accused so we could defend ourselves openly. Now, reading the process, there is no evidence that justifies the suspicion, apart from the dogs' action. There was never a sustained explanation. And the questioning: 'What happened to Madeleine? How did you get rid of her? Who helped you? Where did you put her?' All fantasy! If they had found DNA – so what? And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment – why would that be our fault?
Q – Do you investigate information that point towards Madeleine's death?
Kate – We want to find her alive, but if she is dead we want to know.
Q – Do you still believe that she's alive?
Kate – There are great possibilities that she is alive, aren't there? There is nothing in the process to indicate that something bad has happened to her…
Q – But there are no indicia that she has been abducted, either.
Gerry – We firmly believe that she was abducted by a man, minutes after I went to see her in the bedroom. There are two independent witnesses that saw a child of around four years of age being carried that evening. Our friend Jane Tanner and also the Smith family.
Q – The PJ discredits Jane Tanner's testimony. They say that when she saw said man with the child, you [Gerry] were chatting nearby and it was impossible that you hadn’t seen him as well…
Gerry – I didn't see her because my back was turned to the location where she passed. I was talking to a friend. And there is also the couple with children that saw a man carrying a child with pyjamas that were similar to Madeleine's, blond hair, the same age.
Q – Later on, that family stated that the man they saw was Gerry…
Gerry – At that time I was at the restaurant. The fact that we became suspects has probably influenced the Smiths' testimony.
Q – Was it a coincidence that you were made arguidos on one day and returned home the next day?
Gerry – They questioned us on that day because the PJ knew about our return.
Q – Were you afraid of being arrested?
Kate – Obviously. At a certain point we didn't know very well what could happen.
Gerry – From the information in the newspapers, of course we were afraid. It was scary.
Q – Being in England, you would not be extradited anymore.
Gerry – We asked the inspector that was in charge of the case if he had any objection: the answer was no. It's obvious that we were afraid that people might think we were escaping, but it was better not to be in Portugal at that point in time.
Q – Why?
Kate – Because of the hostile environment. We couldn't even leave the house.
Q – Why did Kate refuse to answer questions during your interrogation, that Gerry accepted to clarify the next day?
Kate – I was advised by my Portuguese lawyer not to reply.
Gerry – I received the same advice but decided to disobey. My plan was to remain silent, but the first question was: 'Are you involved in your daughter's disappearance?' It was nonsense and I decided to answer. From there onwards, I replied to all of them.Q – Why didn't you authorise the police to see the messages that you sent and received on your mobile phone on the eve of Maddie’s disappearance.
Gerry – Nobody asked to see my messages. On the day before and on the day of the disappearance I did not receive or send 16 messages. I could hardly write a text message. I received three or four phone calls and two were from work. After the disappearance I received hundreds. And when the police asked me for the registry, I told them to ask the service provider. My phone only registers the last ten.
Q – The chief inspector in the case, Tavares de Almeida, writes a report where he says that your friends lied to save you, that Maddie died in the living room, and that you hid the body.
Gerry – What can we say? You will have to ask the police chiefs why they wrote that, why they saw us as suspects.Q – The majority of crimes where the victims are children are committed by the parents.
Gerry – Not in the case of abducted children. And this is a case of an abducted child. It's an exceptional case.
Q – When he archived the case, the prosecutor said that the investigation can be reopened if a new clue appears. Do you think that is possible?
Kate – Of course! It could happen at any moment. All that it takes is for one person to make the phone call that we wait for so much. We know that she was abducted in Portugal and we vehemently believe that someone knows or suspects something.
*
"Mr Amaral's behaviour is a disgrace"They have not read the book that is a best-seller in Portugal. And they don't spare the author and former PJ inspectorQ – Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral remains convinced of your involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. Did you read 'The Truth of the Lie', the book that he wrote?
Kate and Gerry – No.
Kate – Why would I?
Gerry – I won't learn anything from reading it.
Q – It was a success in Portugal.
Gerry – Was it? How many copies did it sell?Q – Approximately 200 thousand. Next week, it is released in Spain.
Gerry – That is what can be called illicit enrichment.
Q – Your English lawyers already have a translated copy and they are analysing it. Do you intend to sue Gonçalo Amaral?
Gerry – At this moment we are focused on what we can do to find Madeleine and not in suing anyone.
Kate – All that I am going to say about this – because I'm not going to waste any time on Mr Amaral – is that as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace.
Q – Aren't you curious to know what the book says?
Kate – What for? It must be nothing but a load of rubbish. It is so secondary… It certainly won't help to find our daughter. My consolation is that on the cover he calls her Maddie, the name that the media have invented. We never called her anything like that.
Q – But you do know the theory that Gonçalo Amaral defends: Madeleine accidentally died in the Ocean Club apartment and you concealed the body.
Gerry – It really is a waste of time. And we need all the time that we can get to analyse the investigation's documents, which contain a lot of information that we didn't know about.
Kate – You just have to cross, loosely, his theory with the process in order to understand that the facts that he reports are not correct.
Q – There is a theory that defends that the coordinator was removed from the investigation due to British political pressure.
Gerry – Who dismissed him?Q – The PJ's national director.
Gerry – Then you have to ask him if he was pressured. Or if Gordon Brown discussed the case with him. He surely didn't.
Q – He also resigned. And largely due to this process.
Gerry – That was not what I was told. Apparently he had a vision of the police itself that was different from the one held by the Justice Minister.
Q – In a final analysis, they both left the PJ because the investigation failed.
Gerry – That's not our fault. I do not criticize the authorities over not trying to find Madeleine. It doesn't matter anymore. Now all that matters is that we do everything to try to find her, through our own methods.
Q – Did you ever get to know Gonçalo Amaral?
Kate – The question is the other way around: did he get to know us?
*
There are photographs of her all over the houseGerry has returned to his work as a cardiologist. Kate did not exercise medicine again. Twins Sean and Amelie fill up her days as a mother.Q – How has your life changed with the disappearance of Madeleine?
Gerry – Independently of what happens, it will never be the same again. If you talk to the parents of other abducted children, they also mention this parallel life which we entered. Sean and Amelie, being so young, force us to introduce a certain normality in our lives, to make it normal for them. And it's them who, for moments, make it normal for us. But it will never be normal for us. They are aged three and a half, and they are very, very happy.Q – Did you explain to the twins what happened to their sister?
Kate – They perceive Madeleine's absence perfectly. I have no doubt whatsoever. But they don't know the details. They know that she disappeared and that we're looking for her.
Gerry – We were advised concerning what we should tell them, how and when. Larger explanations are kept for later. We realise that they miss their older sister. They know that her not being with us is not a good thing, and they hope that she returns.
Q – How do you keep Madeleine present in your lives?
Kate – There are photographs of her all over the house. And we speak about her with the twins every day – it's an important part of their lives. Sean and Amelie talk about her and still include her in their playing… If they receive sweets, they say "Let's keep one for Madeleine". Or "When she comes home I'll give her this or that". It's endearing and it makes our days less difficult.
Q – Did you fear that you might lose custody over Sean and Amelie because your behaviour was considered to be negligent?
Gerry – We were not negligent, we did what any reasonable parent would do. But we deeply regret what happened, because in our action, someone saw an opportunity to take Madeleine. I'm an optimistic person. I never thought that something like this could happen.Q – Did you change the manner in which you deal with Sean and Amelie?
Gerry – We are more protective and less trusting. We never left our children alone again and many families will never do so again because of us.
Kate – Now we think about everything that can happen, about predators, abductors. We don't even let go of them in the shopping centre.
*€1.200.000The McCanns say that the fund has spent €1.2 million with the private investigation. But the reward of €3 million still standsQ – How much have you spent on the private investigation so far?
Gerry – Approximately one million pounds, over the past ten months, paid with money from the Find Madeleine fund. A substantial sum was also spent on our defence, but two benefactors have covered that expense, which means that the fund was solely used in the search for our daughter.Q – Do you maintain the offer of 2.5 million ponds to whoever finds Madeleine?
Gerry – We do not control that reward, but everything leads me to believe that it still stands. And that there will also be money available for whoever supplies credible information.
Kate – It's a lot of money, but we cannot set limits, a child is priceless. We'll pay whatever is necessary.
Q – Is there still money left in the fund?
Gerry – There is still some money left. Recently, British newspapers ('Express newspapers') paid us compensation of 550 thousand pounds, which fed the fund. That had an important impact. And there are still donations, people who send money directly.Q – But less than in the beginning, before you were made arguidos.
Gerry – Of course! Those who were in doubt stopped contributing. Many write to us asking for forgiveness because they believed in our guilt. We know that we have to make an effort for people to know that there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and that we were not involved in the disappearance.
*Other issuesDogs – "We read everything that we found about these dogs that detect cadavers. It was due to them that we became suspects"Clues – "The sightings continue. Since May we received one thousand phone calls and an equal number of emails, some containing relevant data"Media exposure – "Appearing in the media was never good. We did it to publicise Madeleine's face and to find her. We failed"Background
Details of two hours of conversationKate and Gerry are different. More relaxed, or conformed. It is difficult to tell. "The twins force us to a certain normality", the mother explains. It's been 16 months and the mystery of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains unsolved.
The parents have already been victims of a tragedy and suspects of a terrible crime. The process was archived, but they are judged every day. Gerry agrees: "From the moment when the suspicion is installed, we can never prove our innocence".
This is the first interview since the process was archived, on the 21st of July. It is scheduled in Rothley, a small village in the British Midlands where nobody suspects the McCanns' guilt. Even less the owner of the Court House Hotel, which is installed in a medieval building and where the interview is held, in the late afternoon last Monday. There is tea with milk and biscuits. There is no guide and there are no forbidden questions.
In almost two hours of interview, Kate and Gerry, both 40, clearly state the intention that supports their availability for the conversation. "We believe that in Portugal someone knows about Madeleine, that it is where the solution for our daughter's disappearance lies". And they want that person, whether singular or collective, to know that they search for him, that they ensure his anonymity and that they will even give him 2.5 million pounds if he tells them where Madeleine is.
Every day, in their very British house of little bricks, they study a little more of the process of the Polícia Judiciária's investigation, which they personally consult as it is being translated. They understand "nothing" of Portuguese. From a first reading they reinforced their hope of finding Maddie alive. Nothing tells them that she is dead. The volumes about themselves, from the time when they were made arguidos, have been put aside. "We do not intend to read them".
They remind them of the days when they were afraid of being arrested in Portugal, accused of Madeleine's death.
Gerry McCann buried Madeleine's body on the beach, Portuguese detective says, 06 September 2008 (Note: This article was removed within hours of appearing online)
Gerry McCann buried Madeleine's body on the beach, Portuguese detective says Telegraph
The Portuguese detective who was sacked as head of the team investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has accused her father of burying her body on the beach near their holiday apartment the same night that she was reported missing.
By David Harrison
Last Updated: 5:56PM BST 06 Sep 2008
In the latest of a series of extraordinary claims about the case, Goncalo Amaral, says he believes that Maddy died accidently in the McCann's rented flat as the result of a fall and that her father disposed of the body.
The disgraced detective - who has sold 120,000 copies of a book he has just published a book about the case - says an Irishman had claimed that he had seen Mr McCann with a child in his arms walking towards the beach on the night that Maddy reportedly disappeared.
The McCanns dismissed the claims, made in an interview with a Spanish newspaper, as "ridiculous".
Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said: "As Kate has said today Mr Amaral is a complete disgrace.
"His comments are grossly defamatory and utterly without foundation."
Mr Amaral, who has now retired from Portugal's Judicial Police investigation force, says in the El Mundo newspaper: "The Portuguese police, like the British [police], and also the prosecutor, who has now changed his opinion, thought the same. We are talking of a death involving third parties, not of homicide.
"In the bedroom blood and the smell of a body were found just below a window where there was a sofa. The father was there for a short time just outside this window having a conversation with a friend.
"The parents said the girl did not have a bad dream. Maybe the girl heard the father and climbed onto the sofa under the window. But the parents had pulled it away from the wall. so that the girl would not get out, and Madeleine could have fallen."
The former policeman talks about the Irish witness seeing Mr McCann carrying a child towards the beach and about sniffer dogs finding traces of blood and the scent of a body on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of a car the couple hired 23 days after Maddy disappeared.
This prompts the interviewer to ask: "Gerry McCann buried his daughter on the beach and then disinterred her and put her in the boot 23 days later?"
Amaral replies: "We don't know. The Irish witness I have spoken about saw on television Gerry with a child in his arms arriving in the United Kingdom and declared it was the same image that he had seen in May in Portugal. This man went two days without sleeping when he realised what he had discovered."
The interviewer says that Amaral's claim implies that the Tapas Nine - the McCanns and their friends who dined together on the night of Maddy's disappearance - had all ageed to lie.
Amaral says: "All of them. Because, in case you don't know, British legislation covering negligence in caring for children is very hard...In the United Kingdom, if you leave a child alone for half an hour you will lose custody. After the death of Madeleine, if it had been made public that it was an accident, all of them would have lost custody [of their children]."
The former detective describes how on one occasion during a meeting Kate McCann had lowered her head and seemed to be totally distracted for several seconds before coming back to being her usual self. "It appeared that she had escaped from the role that she was interpreting," he says.
Asked how she reacted when she was asked if Maddy had been killed by falling from the sofa he replies: "She didn't say anything, she just lowered her head for a moment as if she was on the point of fainting. She had an emotional crack that lasted for just a moment."
Amaral adds: "For me, Gerry hid the body of Madeleine on the beach. And after some days he transfered it to his car. We were working in this direction.
"We lacked establishing the date, some details, but we were on the way. The Irishman was on the point of coming to Portugal, but it took too long, and there were external pressures. In the end he didn't make a statement to the [Judicial] Police."
A friends of the McCanns dismissed Amaral's claims as "nonsense and legally extremely dangerous", and said that Kate and Gerry would sue Amaral if he published his book in the UK.
Mr Mitchell said: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully.
"He is also completely at odds with with his own Attorney-General who, in lifting Kate and Gerry's "arguido" - official suspect - status, made it clear that there is no evidence to suggest they are guilty of any crime whatsoever."
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Now that Claudia has had her fix.
2 stories in the Daily Wail
Toddler left wandering the streets while couple went on drunken spree
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/
article-1055397/Toddler-left-
wandering-streets-couple-went-drunken
-spree.html
I wonder who james was thinking of when he posted this comment?
just goes to show that normal council housed residents get convicted whilst higher up the chain type of parents are excused with sympathy.....Ok drinking and getting drunk whilst leaving a child has no excuse for anything but it's no different than going of out for a meal with friends
- james, cheshire, 12/9/2008 19:34
and
Toddler 'dies of brain tumour hours after doctor diagnosed him with a sore throat'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/
article-1055029/Toddler-dies-brain
-tumour-hours-doctor-diagnosed-
sore-throat.html
Claudia:-)))
Sleep well meu amigos
com amor
ate amanha
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Thanks for the links ICTOAN but I found this one even more weird, a beautician (and very beautiful too) who wraps her dead babies in black plastic, twice, I just do not know what to make of this, other than she was dealt with incredibly leniently, presumably on the basis there was no evidence she..well normal people go to the hospital!
Young mother who admitted hiding her two stillborn babies in shoe boxes avoids jail
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 3:45 PM on 12th September 2008
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Freed: Kerry Ardis concealed the bodies of her dead children
A young mother who concealed the birth two stillborn babies then got rid of their tiny bodies by hiding one in a shoe box and burying the other in her father's garden, has avoided jail.
Kerry Ardis, 21, concealed the pregnancies from both the natural fathers and delivered the stillborn babies - which she named Poppy and Louis - herself over a three-year period.
The badly-decomposed body of an infant girl was found in her old bedroom at her father's house in 2005 and the body of a boy was found buried earlier this year.
The corpses were discovered by her father Alan at his home in the Keyham area of Plymouth.
Ardis, who works as a beautician, pleaded guilty to four charges of concealing the birth of two infants and preventing the 'decent burial' of the babies.
She was handed a nine-month suspended sentence by Judge Francis Gilbert, who called the case 'a tragedy'.
He said: 'I'll make it clear that I do not hold you responsible for the death of either baby and on that basis this case is a tragedy for you and your family for which you deserve sympathy and understanding rather than punishment.
'Both times you were young and had to go through the ordeal of having two stillborn babies alone.'
Judge Gilbert said the maximum sentence for the crime would have been two years, but that no guideline cases were available for comparison.
He also placed Ardis under a two-year supervision order.
Tracey Baker, defending, said psychiatric reports on her client revealed she had 'no identifiable mental illness' but was suffering from 'mixed anxiety and depressed mood'.
Speaking after her guilty plea last month, Ardis revealed that she had named the babies Poppy and Louis.
She admitted that she was 'stupid' to hide their remains, but claimed she could not bear the pain of letting her babies go.
Ardis said: 'I am absolutely devastated. I did something stupid. I made a mistake. I just could not let them go, not because I was a criminal or anything sinister.
'The first time I didn't even know I was pregnant - both me or the father didn't know.
'It was a pretty big shock when I started bleeding and there was a baby. Within a few minutes it was all over and I was holding a baby.
Enlarge 'I didn't know': Kerry Ardis pictured with a friend on her Facebook profile
'I am not expecting anybody to understand - you feel so lonely and isolated when you lose a baby.'
Plymouth Crown Court heard how the first body was discovered by Alan Ardis on August 11, 2005.
Mr Ardis, 52, began to notice a bad smell and had assumed his then teenage daughter had left food to fester in her bedroom.
But he made the grim discovery after tracing the source of the smell to a shoe box that Ardis had hidden in her wardrobe.
She confessed to her father but the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) chose not to press charges.
Enlarge Tragedy: Ardis concealed the bodies at her father's Plymouth home, above left
But in May 29 this year, the father was working in his garden when he discovered the corpse of a second baby inside a box wrapped in black plastic.
Ardis, of Plymouth, initially claimed that the boy was the twin of her first still-born girl, but tests revealed the baby's death was more recent.
Devon and Cornwall Police launched an investigation and the CPS decided to prosecute on the grounds of public interest.
She was accused of 'endeavouring to conceal the birth of a child of which she had delivered by the secret disposition of the dead body of the said child between July 1, 2005 and November 11, 2005'.
She also faced a similar charge committed between May 4 and June 7 this year and preventing the lawful and decent burial of her babies in 2005 and 2008.
A funeral has now been planned for both babies and their natural fathers are expected to attend.
Morning All
What a tragic story I cant belive the CPS decided to prosecute onthe grounds of public intrest.
It did not serve any purpose other than to take a young woman throught he court system give her a criminal record and let everyone know what she has done.
I dont know all of the facts but the Judge acknowledged she was not respnsible for the death of either child and she said the first time it happend she did not know she was pregnant.
She admited she was stupid to hide their remains but claimed she could not bear the pain of letting her babies go. That to me explains why she did what she did when you give birth your hormones are all over the place she would not have been thinking clearly...
This Woman should have been offered counceling it is not normal to hide one birth to do so for a second time shows she need's some help.
Law's need to be in place but what was the point to paying out 1000s of pounds to put her on trial when the money could have been spent helping her accept the loss of her baby's and making her realise she should not have done what she did.
Money could also have been used to educate about contraception and where to go if you need to talk to someone about an unplanned pregnancy.
I hope this person get's the help they need.
Hello Hope and morning all!
Viv, thank you for your legal knowledge. May be worth just initially regestering a complaint with the police and seeing how the situation developes.
Hope, I agree with you. I dread to think how lonely and vulnerable this woman felt. She definately needs help. Maybe the funeral might give her some comfort and I hope that the natural fathers show her some sympathy too. It would be dreadful and unkind of them if they blame her and condemn her instead.
I suppose, in legal terms, it had to be established that the babies' death was of natural causes but once this was established, I don't see why she had to be put through a court process when, evidently, she is still grieving and not of sound mind.
Hope you have a nice weekend. The sun has just come out here but I'm not counting on it staying out for long!
xx
Morning Dyl
It is very sunny here now the cloud has just burnt off so going to put some washing out (love drying it on the line)..
I hope she is not condemed either and she gets the love help and support she needs to get over this and move on...
I was never in favour of the McCanns going to jail for neglect or indeed if it was proved to have been an accident what purpose could it have served the twins would have lost their parents along with their sister and at the time I thought the loss of one chid would be the worse thing in the world and although I thought the neglect was wrong prison would not fix it and they would be regreting what they did for the rest of their lives...
Then team McCann defended the indefensible made excuses for the neglect from what they have said over and over again they feel no guilt for leaving their child alone and they have blamed everyone else but themselves for the situation Madeleine finds herself in.
Then there are the happy snaps of them on her Birthday and other nausiating giggles and joy early on to present day.
So I dont care what happends to them now you reap what you sow and they have spun themselves into the victims but now all the conflicting witness statements and files are in the public domain they will not keep what really happend to the real victim quiet for ever.
The video of the dogs is so very sad 40 apartments were searched by these two and nothing yet the McCann's apartment clothes and car all reacted to very strongly I have only watched the video twice as when they go to the clothes it really upsets me.
Have a nice day off out in the farden xxx
Good morning all -
I think this case should never have gone to trial in the first place in my opinion.
This girl obviously needs help and understanding - after all the babies were still born; she didn't kill them. One wonders why she didn't confide in her parents at the time.
I'm glad the Judge dealt leniently with her.
What I do hope is she has learned from her tragedies and in future has protected sex so she doesn't put herself through the same ordeal again.
Hi Nancy
I agree contraception is so easy to get hold of I know accidents happen but with the right protection they dont very often..
Hope you are ok xxx
Hi Hope -
I'm very well thanks and enjoying some nice weather. I believe it's quite nice in the UK too! Have a lovely weekend Hope!
By the way, did you read the post I sent yesterday about how to bring out the best in a child?.
I know you will agree with every word.
Docmac -
Love the Scots - well 99.99% of them that is!
I have a family in Banchory, Aberdeenshire, and you couldn't meet more friendly people than the folk around there!
I just wish that people were treated the same all over the UK - many parents are moving to Scotland to take advantage of free university education and can you blame them!!
Have to get ready for a barbecue!
Be back later!
Nx
Nancy
I will have a look back for your post have a lovely BBQ it is not bad here either xxx
Hiya Hope,
The sun went in as I expected. It's feeling distinctly Autumnal here so the farden will have to wait :(
Quick update for Viv, harassment order has been sought instead. Police expected to turn up and take a statement any time now.
It's a good compromise as a restraining order would have prevented collection of the children which [this person] doesn't want!
xx
Bum says:
Firstly, who says the dooe seal was leaking? Do you have a link to where it is stated as fact? And I don't mean a comment from the 3A's either.
Also may I suggest you go and refresh your memory by reading some early articles on the case. The McCann's were followed by the press almost from day one...unless of course they had already been made arguidos when they moved out of the holiday complex into a rented villa.
Stop fabricating stuff to suit your own agenda docman. You are not nearly as clever as your cronies think you are. Comprehende?
Firstly, I happen to know for a fact that before the parents were named as suspects the press were informed as to exactly when they would be allowed access to the McCanns and these opporunities were almost universally adhered to. Ask any journalist who was there.
Secondly, regarding the dogs. Listen VERY carefully to what Mr Grime had to say in THIS DAMNING VIDEO, specifically at just after 6:30. Did you hear it? The smell of cadaver was emanating through the door seal of the Scenic, and only one of them. I reckon the others were sealing properly, don't you? You also hear him say there was thus no need to put Eddie in that car? I think Mr Grime and Eddie have been through this routine many times. I trust his knowledge of his dogs, his faith in their 100% record and his judgement in this instance implicitly.
By the bye, for all the others who say he was just barking because he was smelling some meat and all the other carp that they write, did you notice him say that Eddie won't even bark at other dogs or strangers? He ONLY barks when he smells the scent of HUMAN cadaver, NOTHING else.
And lastly, do you finally see exactly what clothing this fantastic dog marked? Pretty damning. Kate was wearing those slacks the morning after Maddie disappeared.
Honestly, how anyone can not be swayed by the reactions of these dogs needs their head read. Comprehende?
Thanks to the little birdie who sent me the link to this video. Recommended viewing for everyone.
Doc, no need to thank the little birdie! :-)
Doc
It is heartbreaking to watch Eddie with the clothes he ignores so many diffrent items.
Let the nasty spiteful old bint have her say she is deluding no one her take on loosing an unborn child sum's up just how heartless this old hag is and yes a parent of a child would be in absoloute pieces shock and anguish if their child were taken howver the pictures and attitudes of Gerry and Kate have shown many many times when talking about their own 3 year old child they could not be bothered to take care of just what they are all about and it is about getting away with whatever they have done scott free.
Before anyone jumps on me I am on the side of Madeleine McCann and god forbid she really had been taken because what she would have gone through would be unbearable and I should imagine catching a glimpse of Mummy and Daddy looking like they are having the time of their lives would break her heart completly. Gerry has no reason to belive she has been harmed but says she is in the hands of a peadophile ring what a sick and twisted bastard.
Claudia, :-)
BT, exactly!
Sorry to be so brief. It's almost 30C and it's beach time :-))
Read you later.
Sorry, Hope4, not BT! Heat got to me :-))
Enjoy, Doc.
Hope, exactly!
"As for the video in question...I have watched it several times, and there is nothing wrong with my hearing. No where does Mr Grimes state the door seal was leaking and neither does he give that as a reason for not putting the dog inside."
OK, I give up. Martin Grime had a special cadaver canister from which he set up a special tube to deliver the odour to Eddie through a small specially and fraudulently created opening in the non-leaking door seal. And he most certainly did not say there was no need to put the dog in the car after his cunning plan came off. For Chr***t sake!
Can you hear music?
Oh, I've just realised something. Bum must have assumed it is the same video as the Sun's one and not actually viewed the video link posted :-))))
I suppose she also did not see the close-up shot of Kate's black and white checked slacks, light-coloured blouse and a small child's red T-shirt with a distinctive design on the front.
And by the way, she is still lying about the McCanns being hounded by the press (outside of official photocalls). The source of the info is impeccable.
Hi Doc
As I said the other day the dogs evidence desperately needs discrediting, Oh my are they trying, but it is not fooling any of us.
The black and white checked cropped trousers. Are they the same ones Doc, that Kate maintained she had dealt with 6 dead bodies in the week prior to arriving in Portugal? Well there we are then I rest my case ;o))
Hi and yes, Di
The very same ones. Are you able to watch the video?
kate's trousers being sniffed by Eddie should be the new headline report for our blog Viv. what do you think? The same trousers she was wearing that first day. The smell of death is a terrible one isn't it.
Doc
Your words ...I suppose she also did not see the close-up shot of Kate's black and white checked slacks, light-coloured blouse and a small child's red T-shirt with a distinctive design on the front.
And by the way, she is still lying about the McCanns being hounded by the press (outside of official photocalls). The source of the info is impeccable...
Remember these two are paying shed loads for professionals to 'advise' and 'persuade' third parties their client is in the right. When we think with that hat on as I know you do it is not hard to see their game is it. A 'high risk' affair indeed. Those who aid this charade are extremely low aren't they cos we are talking about a 3yr old girl !!!!!!!!!
Hi Doc
No, I am not able to watch the video link you posted :o((
Hi Bt
Good point, and good new headline.
Hi Di I havent been able to look at the football results yet what did Arsenal do?
OK BT, I get you. Can you see the video?
Di, we have to get this on youtube somehow. Anyone have Real player premium?
BT
Blackburn 0 Arsenal 4
LFC 2 ManU 1 :-)))))
Man City billionaires 1 Chelsea 3
Where is the link Doc ?
I was well happy about Liverpool. I was listening to it and thought after 5 minutes Man Utd would win everything this year. So well done for getting the win.
Hi BT
We have a very good friend who is a Solicitor. I have often asked him about taking on dubious cases, his answer is always the same, you have to feed the family.
I have asked him in the past, how he sleeps at night?
I am still waiting for the answer!!
All I know is I could not do it. So there for the grace of god go I.
My point was that in legal advocacy a lawyer will advise and persuade thrid parties their client is in the right. However, this is type of professionald eceit is their to give fairness in a courtroom. When you see it done with huge amounts of money in the papers and press and when a 3yr old may well have disappeared due to her parents negligence or worse it almost makes one vomit at the thought. They have taken courtroom tactics to the street and found the money to sustain it - but time will tell whether it ultimately will succeed. :)
Bt, link is a bit higher up the page at 12:43. You need real player basic to view it, but it seems some can't. Get Real player at real.com
When you install, UNCHECK the option to make it your default player.
Yes Di I take the point but a barrister once said to me you represent them but there are different ways to represent them, if you get my point.
Doc
No, I do not have real player premium. Sorry, but a great idea all the same :o))
Reading 3A's today I also think it would be a good idea to put Ecolab's microfilm news on there as well.
Off now to watch X factor I will try to look back later.
Di, you only need basic to view it, but you need premium to convert it into a format acceptable to youtube. Enjoy the programme.
Also off for a bit.
Great story!
When I was growing up, my family had its own way of dealing with disagreements. We stopped speaking. Sometimes the deep freeze lasted a day, sometimes a week. Every once in a while, an offending cousin or aunt was simply erased from the family landscape, airbrushed out of our lives like a deposed member of the Politburo.
I stopped talking to my parents after a series of family difficulties culminating in an angry phone conversation with my mother in 1988. This communication blockade continued to 2000. Other than an annual Christmas card from my parents, which they warmly signed using only their last name, there was no interaction whatever for 12 years.
People like me who were raised in a grudge-holding culture know that the silent treatment is self-perpetuating. The longer you are silent, the longer you will be silent. The further out into the ocean you sail, the harder it is to see the harbor. After a year or two or three, it's not so easy to pick up the phone and just chat.
And then my father sent me a card in which he wrote three very powerful words: "I'm so sorry."
We began to write letters. I told him about his grandchildren. He told me about his weekly golf and bowling outings. He also told me about my mother's Alzheimer's. Every letter matter-of-factly mentioned a new loss, always preceded by the phrase "Mom is about the same," as in "Mom is about the same but she can't cook anymore because she forgot how to use the stove."
The letters represented rapprochement but not reconciliation. That would have to happen in person. A year later it did. On the six-hour drive to their home, I asked my husband every 10 minutes what I should say to parents I hadn't seen in 12 years. "Say hello," he said. "Ask what's new."
This is pretty much what I did as we sat down to the supper of turkey loaf and instant mashed potatoes that my father put on the table almost the moment we walked in the door. Over supper, he briefed me on deaths, births and family estrangements. By dessert we were caught up. Over the next two years, I visited frequently.
Had I waited any longer to reconcile with my mother, she would not have known who I was, or cared that I had returned. As it was, I had a chance to apologize, to go on walks with her, to admire her purple velvet wedding dress from 1937 and to have many other turkey-loaf suppers. As her Alzheimer's progressed she became argumentative, then mute and, worse for my father, incontinent. He asked me not to visit during this time, and his terse letters chronicled more and more serious "Mom is about the same" news.
Months later, she died. I came as soon as my father called to help him with funeral plans. I sat with him as he typed out my mother's death notice on his ancient Royal typewriter. We picked out the clothes she would be buried in: a print shirt, slacks and the locket he'd given her when they were engaged 64 years before. We sat next to each other on folding chairs at the small-town cemetery and watched my mother's casket lowered into the ground.
Eighteen months later, my father died. During that time we had many more visits—nights out at the local Chinese restaurant with his grandchildren, hearing his stories about the Depression, about playing in jazz bands and running a five-and-dime store. We talked about my mother and his grief. He told me about taking an urn full of artificial flowers to the cemetery. He liked making my mother's grave prettier.
Every year I visit the cemetery where my parents are buried. I tend the hostas I planted to replace my father's artificial flowers and scatter thistle seeds to attract the finches they loved to watch. When I leave, I kiss the top of their headstone. I say goodbye and I feel happy. I feel part of my family.
The irony doesn't escape me. Here I am tending the grave site of parents whom I iced for 12 years. Oddly, I don't feel regret. I feel grateful. My father's three words saved me from being an orphan. Maybe there are other members of the grudge-holding culture who might listen to my story and make the move. It's not too late.
Original article
Does anyone else see any parallels between this and a more recent high-profile case where the daughter 'got herself into a situation'?
Lovely but very sad story. It brought tears to my eyes.
I have to say that with the exception of having been a victim of any kind of parental abuse, I have no idea how parents and children could spend 12 years not speaking. It's just beyond me. What a waste.
Claudia and all. It very much depends on who and what your parents stand for and how they have treated you. When you have your own family you have to make clear judgements on what you wish them to be exposed to. So it is not always a waste. The important point about that story is the father was sincere in wanting to make a rapprochment and he did it. Many people like me will probably never get it and there are only so many times one can be rejected for displaying integrity,justice and fairness for all.
Eleanor Roosevelt, who chaired the UN Commission on Human Rights, said I could not at any age be content to take my place in a corner by the fireside and simply look on.
I don' t look on many times in life. Instead I choose to walk the walk, hence being on this blog and playing my bit to expose a charade. So please be aware there are some really sh**ty parents out there who can seem normal on the surface but who have many hidden agendas in their actions and words.
Many of us spend the rest of our lives overcoming our childhood is a well known quote. But it is overcoming our parents and their influences realy isn't it. I am a great father as a result of mine but it is really hard work to maintain and invovles many many sacrifices. I am tempted to say like giving up tennis, golf and socialising at times when I should be at home making sure the children are safe.
G+K Most parents believe it or not do make these sacrifices willingly - but then you knew that didn't you.
BT, I said excluding people who have been victims of any kind of abuse. And people capable of abusing their children (in any way), I do not call parents.
Apart from that, I cannot understand how parents and children don't speak for 12 years. And let's face it, it couldn't have beem that serious because a 'I'm so sorry' changed everything. Fortunately, in the reality I live in, the relationship between parents and children is sacred. The first time I ever heard of parents leaving toddlers home alone to go have dinner with friends was when Madeleine went missing. Before that, it never crossed my mind it was possible.
testing
Good night all absents. Sleep well
Sleep well, all.
Good night, Mandarinn.
Hope I'll read you tomorrow!
Good morning everyone!
I've already posted on the Ecolab thread above, but blogger won't allow posts there - I wonder why?
Anyway, I posted that the sycophantic 'Dregs of the World' have a front page splash of Kate's 'heartbreaking' diary while in PdeL, which she started before the holiday but it starts on the 3rd May. Just how does a Mum have time to write a diary while on a short holiday with her family, including three children under 4!
She comes over as being completely insincere in my opinion, with too many "I love you Madeleine's". It's a pity she didn't love her enough not to leave her and go out drinking knowing how upset it made Madeleine!
A few snippets:
The were taken to the police station - 'nobody offered us any food or drink' - now would anyone be wanting food after their little girl had just been abducted - I ask you!
May 14 - Slept well
June 2 - An enjoyable afternoon. I never felt so relaxed.
'Spoke to Cheryl Blair about what happened, and including about them leaving No. 10! Also spoke to Tony (the then Prime Minister)' who said to call him if we needed anything'
'Went to see the Pope and he drove by in his Pope Mobile - it immediately became clear that he recognised us'
One thing is strange that she said in her diary to Madeleine:
'We would never do anything 'intentionally' that would put you in danger.'
'I wonder, does anyone brush her teeth'!!
I'm sorry but I think this is all false, and just why did whoever sent this take a year to do so? It stinks of spin.
I'm sure the McCann's Fund is going to increase in leaps and bounds now the publicity machine is working again - perhaps they've missed the limelight recently!
HOGWASH!
Doc
You have two e-mails from me
Hi Nancy & BT
Nancy
My toolbar tells me that the Ecolab thread has been pulled.
The link to the new dog video on Youtube has disappeared. The video link posted yesterday is now available to view there. Check it out>. It's much more informative than the Sun one.
Who believes the dogs and Martin Grime? Who believes a word of what we are being fed by the dark side; that the dogs were 'led on', that they were probably alerting to dinner and similar crap? Anyone who watches this video and still believes the parents is paid to do so IMO. Or intellectually challenged.
BT thanks, I'll have to read them later as I'm off for the day.
Morning Doc
Just skimmed through the video and the handler says he has sensed it coming out of the seal of the car.
It is so very sad the clothes Kates Checked Trousers and the little T Shirt I dread to think what happend to poor Madeleine but if dogs who have never had a false positive have reacted in this way I have to belive she is dead.
Cuddle Cat was washed 3 times I believe yet the dog still identified where it was hidden that is really tragic a childs toy is so precious I still have bags of toys that at one time were special to my girls in the attic I should get rid of them but every time we go through them they are all too special.
If people want to contribute to the fund let them but any money raised will be used to protect 2 parents from blame and will hold back the Truth for Madeleine and a 3 year old child let down by life deserves the truth if nothing else.
Kalimera all:-)
The new video and K's diary is on Mccannfiles:
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html
Nancy, what about this snippet:
MONDAY, MAY 14: I slept well last night after a not very good end of the day, frustration with the FLO (Portuguese police family liaison officer) asking me where would my little M be.
I got up at 06.50. I dealt with some trifles and got myself ready for the statement to the press at 08.00.
I tried to put on a slightly more presentable and "healthy" air. Gerry again gave a great performance.
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I thought "performance" is something actores give?!?;-)
Indeed , you may wish to check out the dictionary definition of the word 'performance'
One would have thought she may have written something like he did the best he could.
These two will go down but it may take longer than we think. get Brown out first then change the chief constable of Leicestershire with one from outside and there may then be a chance.
In one of her diary entries Kate said:
"All the police dressed informally"
Is it only doctors who can dress informally when certifying death?
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'We would never do anything 'intentionally' that would put you in danger.'
:) Yeah right.
Off to mow the grass for the last time this year !!!!!!
The fresh smell of cut grass is unfortunately yet another beautiful thing about this world that Madeleine is not able to experience because of her parents negligence and selfishness.
BT
The only trouble is that a new Chief Constable has to be approved by the Home Office and we know where their sympathies lie.
Kate has repited many times that she trusts God and Mary to protect her daughter, and states:
"...and we all long for the day when you will be back with us again— FOREVER!"
Guess it's her way of saying: "until WE are with you FOREVER"...
Even thought I have the impression that doctores don't belive in a life after death, it is a comfort to look forward to when you have lost a beloved one.
The thing is, will two child-neglecters and maybe killers be "let in"? Guess they will since they might have confessed their sins to a priest and are blessed by the Pope.
ICTOAN et ALL.
I pulled the thread myself. Some people are scared of "libel sue".
I`ll soon put the stuff back on, BUT in another form and shape.
I do`nt want anything to happen to Viv`s page or getting the cource or Viv into trouble.
I have to think more strategic, as I think we all have to do, at this point - more teamwork too.
I`ve been in touch with 3arguidos and got an explanation and an "excuse".
This I have accepted.
I were NOT pulled, but my tread was.
Things are getting a little ruff now, and I`m very angry with the McCanns spinning maschine.
I have a request, if anybody knows, where it is. I can`t find it myselv.
" A while ago, I wrote something about bodylanguage espcially the facial expressions of Kate and Gerry. I anylised a video from YouTube.
This analyse(nothing wrong with it)I cant find?
I would like so much to pep it up, now where I have improved my English writing skills, and put it in a more puplic place, too.
Can anyone help me?
Regards
M
ps. The McCanns are some big huge liars
*Justice for Maddie*
Hi ecolab
Sorry I can't help you with locating your article. Do you think you posted it on this blog or on 3A?
Good morning all!
I've to got to go out in a bit but I just thought I'd say thanks for the you tube link. It's far less edited than the Sun one. I should have copied and pasted this but I forgot; there is another good you tube that pops up when you view the above. It's another one that's set to music and it's about the cadaver and blood etc and also about the DNA markers and the FSS u-turn. Very interesting.
Hope, thank you very much for your email. I have sent you a reply to let you know I'm OK and that I did get a "result"!!
Bye for now
xx
Good morning all
Ecolab , i read your yesterday thread and i found it very interesting. Why would it put someone in trouble?
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article25722.ece
The headline says
Please God Is she dead?
My answer is look in the mirror and if that does not answer it, ask your husband.
YOU ARE FOOLING LESS & LESS PEOPLE - Eddie and Keela have exposed you for what you are.
Niki
That is a very good point - if they really were catholic believers which we all feel they are pretending to be then they would never see Madeleine again as she would be in heaven and they would be locked outside. Not just the holiday events but the way they have acted after would ensure they would never see her in any afterlife.
ICTOAN
yes I agree . The chief constable thing is a tight ship isn't it. freemasonry is rife according to an ex police colleague I work with. Maybe it is this network that has been protecting him amongst other things.
Ecolab, I completely agree with your John Doe thread today. The only difference I would suggest to this interview was that Gerry when he alleges to be checking the kids at 9.05 it was his intention to damage the shutters thus to add substance to an abduction. I think he was interrupted by Jes Wilkins but Kate was not let into this alteration to the plan and thus she carries the originally plan forward by saying the shutters were up and the windows were open etc.
The Kate McCann diary as it appears in the News of the Word article today is such a subjected and erroneous one sided view of this case it is nausea inducing. If you haven’t already seen it and think you can stomach the contents follow the link below.
link
Where are the bits of the diary regarding Mr Murat? Edited out, uh? :-)
In legal advocacy a lawyer will advise and persuade third parties their client is in the right.
Legal advocates and also PR personnel are trained to listen to what their clients wish to say and explain to others what they need and what they want.
These hugely expensive people the Mcscammers have around them are effectively paid to keep them out of prison.
In general cases where no body has been found then the evidence would mostly come from eyewitnesses. However, what if you had say a rich backer who personally went to see such eyewitnesses and paid them off. No body no witnesses to testify no time behind bars.
Just one further question. Has a rich backer turned up to speak to Eddie & keela yet?
JFM - whether 'intentionally' or 'accidentally'
And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment – why would that be our fault?
Did Gerry Seriously say that ?
What a Twat.
Hello Jane,
Is there some reason you are not posting on the current thread with the rest of us?
x
Hi Viv
Is there a different way of commenting for this blog ?
I was just commenting on something I had read in that post
Are we supposed to comment on a past post on the current one ?
Im more reading than posting but just wanted to say a couple of things on previous posts that I had read
Is that not right ?
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