19 Dec 2008


The twins were born in February 2005, I would suggest these are all Christmas 2005 because in the pic below that they claim is 2006, they do not look 2 do they! no more than the one seen above looks 2 either... and does Maddie look any different, know she looks two years and seven months in all of them! What a couple of Christmas liars, who cannot even admit she is dead, they just want to live a lie,but how many of the British public are going to carry on believing them when they just keep churning out old pictures. three years old!


As ever, thanks to Joana Morais! and happy Christmas darling Viv xxxxxxxxxxx


Gonçalo Amaral criticises parents: McCanns use video of Maddie - Correio da Manhã

Case: Parents divulge video to find their daughter

Maddie’s voice in a new video

Kate and Gerry McCann, the parents of the British child that disappeared on the 3rd of May 2007 in the Algarve, launched a video yesterday where Madeleine can be seen playing with her younger siblings. The film was recorded in December 2006, in the McCann family home in Rothley, in central England.

This is another request for help, made by the couple, to find their daughter Maddie. Nevertheless, this appeal from the McCann couple is different from the previous, as this is the first time that Madeleine McCann’s voice can be heard.

In this video, the couple opted not to appear in the film. According to the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, Kate and Gerry didn’t want to appear in order not to influence the viewing of the video and because it “speaks for itself”.

Still, a message from Maddie’s parents accompanies the image of the little girl playing with her siblings. “Christmas is a time for children. Please help bring our daughter back”, the McCann couple appeals, adding: “This is our second Christmas without Madeleine. Please help us make sure we don’t have a third.”

Madeleine McCann disappeared from the apartment at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Lagos, when she was sleeping in the company of her two brothers. She was three years old when she disappeared.

“This resembles a toy campaign”

Gonçalo Amaral, a former PJ inspector and coordinator in the Maddie case, when questioned by CM about the divulging of this new video from the McCann couple to find their daughter, stated that the is clearly “a need to feed the idea that the child is still alive”. “They need to admit, once and for all, that the little girl is dead”, he said. The author of the book ‘The Truth of the Lie’, a work inspired in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, also compared this new film with Christmas toy campaigns. “This resembles more a Christmas toy campaign than the search for a child”, he said. The PJ inspector also lamented that “the videos of the child’s disappearance and about the motive for said disappearance were never divulged, because that would help the investigation, and it would help very much”.

source: Correio da Manhã, 22.12.2008


On December 22, Anonymous said...
The Mccanns need to feed the miss-information machine to ensure that their pot of gold stays full.
To admit that their daughter is dead would mean that they have to take responsibilty for her death and of course most importantly for them their substantial income supliment would stop.

On December 22, Anonymous said...
They appeal to the public to help them "find" their daughter?!

How about cooperating with the police to help find their daughter?

How about answering the 40+ questions to help find their daughter?

How about participating in a reconstitution to help find their daughter?

How about filing a missing person complaint with the UK police to prompt an investigation to help find their daughter?

How about telling the truth about that night to help find their daughter?

Just look at the photos of the couple on the 12th of May 2007. That was the day when Madeleine would have been 4 years old. It was only 9 days after she disappeared. Look at the photos. 9 days. 9 supposedly harrowing, tortured, agonizing days.

Anyone who still thinks this man is being frank and honest, well are you!

I know we have only just started the other thread guys but Di posted a link to this and I think it is so important I wanted a separate post on this blog so that it does not get lost in all the posts.

(from DVD)

September 7/2007 11 AM at Portimao

When asked if he wished to reply to the facts which he is being imputed with, he replied:

He is of British nationality, he cannot speak or write Portuguese; therefore an interpreter is present taken from a list provided by the Consulate: ADSR.
Also present Carlos Pinto de Abreu, attorney.

He is present in his capacity as an arguido, and the rights and duties thereof have been explained to him; he is obliged to comply with TIR (Terms of Identity and Residence).

He confirms all of what was stated previously to the Police on two occasions, and has nothing further to add.

After being made aware of the facts attributable to him, he says that he wishes to make a statement.

What a pity we do not find out what those facts were but is interesting they are attributable to him, not his wife! It is standard procedure in any police interview where someone is being interviewed as a suspect for the police to disclose certain aspects of the evidence to the suspect and invite him to give an explanation for those facts. In UK when no reasonable explanation can be given or when the suspect refuses to provide an explanation, that in itself can be used as evidence of guilt!

When asked if he had any responsibility or participation in the disappearance of his daughter Madeleine, he peremptorily denies this.

When asked if on the night of May 1, 2007 he went to have dinner at the Tapas with Kate, he says yes. As customary they would come and check on the children every half hour, usually alternating. They arrived at the Tapas around 20:30, and then went to the apartment every half hour, until they arrived back, at around 23:00, plus or minus 10 minutes. Occasionally one of the others in the group made the check, he does not remember if this happened on the 1st. It is not true that Madeleine had been crying that night for an hour and 15 minutes, because she was not alone all that time.

Here, they were clearly trying to establish the criminal offence of child neglect on 1 May and knew this had taken place from the statement of Pamela Fenn, which we have now seen. She does indeed say Madeleine was crying on this night for one hour and fifteen minutes, getting gradually more and more distressed and shouting Daddy, Daddy. Oddly, Mrs Fenn says she heard the patio door to their bedroom open after McCann arrived back via the front door. So who walked out on the patio? Was someone with Maddie? The Police clearly seem to believe that Kate may have been, given the question asked, did you go with Kate. This obviously would provide an explanation for Maddie crying out for her Dad. Paulo Reis claims the telephone records confirm Kate was with Madeleine at this time. Is it possible he came in through the front door so she promptly walked back out the bedroom door ? or was it someone else, known to them?

When questioned, he said that on the day they arrived, April 28, they removed two cribs that were in their room, and placed them in Madeleine’s room. He is unable to confirm, but it could be possible, that there were 3 cribs, and they asked them to remove one.

It is not true that on a certain day they placed one crib in their room, leaving the other in Madeleine’s room.

It is interesting to wonder what the police are getting at here, in suggesting just one child was moved into their room. Again, could it be to do with negligence, they know the children wake up and this might prevent one from waking the other(s) or is it something more sinister still? He is clearly worried about this question in failing to confirm whether there were two or three cots.

He did not remember what days were scheduled for cleaning the apartment.

Presumably the relevance of this question is that the McCanns would be aware that on certain days a maid would enter the room with a pass key and they would not wish him/her to find something they should not see. According to Mark Warner webpage rooms are cleaned three times per week. Did Maddie have to be got out that night because the maid was due in on Friday morning?

He now states that he also joined the two single beds in his room, which had been separated by a night table. He transformed the two beds into a double bed.

It becomes of increasing concern that the Police were clearly asking a lot of questions about sleeping arrangements and exactly who slept with who and where ..possibly they were considering evidence of other doctors concerning Gerry and Payne.
Regarding the windows, he says they were normally closed, he does not know if they were locked *** blinds also closed. Regarding Madeleine’s window he says that he made sure the blinds worked so as to darken the room for the children.

--- On the day of arrival, he does not know if the blinds in Madeleine’s room were open or closed. He did not open them again, and does not know if somebody else did. When confronted with a testimony that states having seen the blinds on this window open after their arrival, he says that it was not him who opened them. When asked about the window behind one of the sofas in the living room, he says that yes, he remembers the window but does not remember if the blinds were also closed.

Are the police implying that the windows and shutters had been deliberately left open, Gerry makes a point of denying that saying he made sure they were shut in the childrens' room and clearly when pressed on a very difficult topic with evidence that c learly contradicts him gets a big dose of criminal amensia something the police often see! One can certainly understand them asking about the window behind the sofa. We have seen the police photograph of that area with several blood spots marked up on two walls and blood spot number one on the tiles which were lifted and taken to FSS Birmingham for analysis, unfortunately low copy due to cleaning. Strange to be on hol and start scrubbing the tiles behind the sofa!

--- Regarding this sofa, he remembers it was next to the window. He is not sure, but thinks that this sofa was probably a bit closer as his children threw objects behind it, mainly playing cards. When asked, he does not know if any of the children was behind the sofa or passed behind this sofa.

I think he had probably been working hard on this answer, how to explain what was found behind the sofa, for a dad he does not remember much about what his own kids do, does he! "It was probably a bit closer". I believe the Police felt that the sofa had been staged by moving it closer to the wall.

--- When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn’t sleep. He thinks that he hadn’t heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.

How on earth would you not know whether either you or your wife comforted a weeping two year old? Normal parents just would!! It is strange to say the least that it seemed to be Madeleine's responsibility to tell her parents that Amelie was crying, and this is what he actually says!! If this is putting the best gloss on it Gerry McCann just how bad is it??

--- With respect to his wife, he says that on the Wednesday she slept in the children’s room in the bed next to the window. He doesn’t know why, but thinks it could have been because of his snoring. Also on that day, and after dinner, he returned to the apartment sooner than Kate.
-- Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him if he was going to continue playing. G. said he didn’t know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Regarding his previous statement where he states that David returned half an hour later around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court after getting ready for the game.

-- When questioned, he says that Madeleine usually sleeps well at night. During the first months of her life she had some difficulties sleeping due to feeding problems. After moving to their house in Rothley in April 2006, twice a week Madeleine wakened, left her bed and went into their room; this sometimes happened between 23:00 – 24:00 for no apparent reason, maybe because she was used to sleeping with (*** blank ****).

--- When asked about a chart highlighting the characteristics of the children at the house in Rothley, he says that he does in fact have such an object, where several stars show the nights when Madeleine did not get up, as she was rewarded this way.
--- When questioned if it was therefore safe to leave Madeleine in the apartment if she woke and got up at night, he says that this rarely happened, and then only after her parents were in bed.
--- When questioned about whether the couple’s and the childrens’ lives were peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins’ first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate had changed her work habits for reasons related to depressions. He affirms that his wife never gave him to understand that at some time she had the intention of giving Madeleine into the care of a family member.

When questioned, he says that he works at the Emergency Room of the hospital where he works every 15 days, however he is not usually called out at night, and if this happens then it is once for 4 days prevention. Kate’s specialty is general medicine, and works two days a week. After the birth of the twins, Kate did not work for a year, on maternity leave, and currently works part-time as above.
--- When questioned, he states that none of his children takes any kind of medication regularly in England.
--- When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever. He did not give any of these medicines or any others to the children while on holiday in Portugal.
---- When asked at what time he went to check on the children the night Madeleine disappeared, he recalls that this was around 21:04 according to his watch. He remembers that once inside the apartment he was surprised that the door to the children’s room was slightly more open than how they had left it when he and Kate left for dinner. However, it could not have been Madeleine who had opened the door after waking and getting up, eventually to go to her parents’ room. On this occasion, the three children were lying in their beds asleep, he is sure of this. Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position where he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, completely uncovered, i.e. lying on top of the covers with the soft toy and blanket, both pink, next to her head; he does not know if they were in the position that can be seen in the photograph attached to the files
--- The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate, but Matt offered to go as he was going to check on his own daughter. When Matt returned to the restaurant G. asked him if all was well; Matt replied that all was quiet. G. is not absolutely sure, but he is under the impression that he asked Matt if he entered their apartment, to which Matt replied yes.
--- The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up.
--- He does not remember if he had taken his mobile phone to the restaurant. He is under the impression that he did not take anything with him, except maybe his wallet. He was wearing tennis shoes (trainers), blue jeans and a light brown polar top. He does not remember what Kate was wearing that night. The arguido did not take a camera and does not remember if Kate did. He does not remember if anybody in the group took photographs that night.
--- He remembers that after it was known that Madeleine had disappeared he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere.
--- He remembers that at one time the lady who lived in the apartment above theirs, went onto her veranda and asked what was going on. He does not remember specifically who replied to this lady, but he remembers that somebody spoke to her, assuming it was himself who did so.

When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the blinds and window in the room.

--- When questioned, he says that on that night he made several phone calls, including calls to two sisters, a couple of Kate’s uncles, his brother or certainly sent him a message, father P. S. who baptized Madeleine and married G. and K. When questioned he says he did not get in touch with any media and does not know if anyone did. In the morning his family did contact the press. G. spoke of contacting the press, however he never did so.
--- When questioned he says that he did not request a priest, but to Kate to seek spiritual help.
--- Regarding the disclosure of Madeleine’s photograph, he says that he gave the authorities a photograph from a digital camera, and he thinks it was Russell who printed it at the main 24-hour reception of the complex. He made the delivery thereof, or of these pictures on A4 paper to the Police, and he is sure he never delivered any of these photographs to GNR.
--- Around 19:00 the interview was stopped for a rest period, to be recommenced at around 19:40.
--- When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which is now a normal developmental difficulty. At this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping.
--- When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they did not look inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way. While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.
--- When asked if he had life insurance, he says that he does, and so does Kate. The children do not have any life insurance, nor are their parents, Gerry and Kate the beneficiaries of any insurance regarding the children.
--- When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine.
--- When asked if in fact they went to the apartment every half hour, he says it is true, and that this was never created to justify absences during dinner.
--- When asked what the expression “we let her down” means, he says that it has to do with the fact that they were not present when Madeleine was abducted. It was Kate who first used this expression.

During this interview several films of a forensic nature showing sniffer dogs were shown where their signalling can be seen regarding indication of cadaver odour and traces of blood also human, and only of a human nature, as well as the comments made by the expert in charge of the procedure.
-- After viewing the films and after the signalling of cadaver odor in their room next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa against the window in the living room, he says that he has no comments, neither has he any explanation for this fact.
--- Also, the dog that detects human blood signalled human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, he says that he cannot explain this fact.
-- Regarding the cadaver odour in the car that was rented at the end of May, (xx)-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.
--- Regarding the presence of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has not explanation for this fact.
-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine’s DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.
--- When asked if on any occasion Madeleine was injured, he says that he has no comments.
-- When questioned, he says he is the usual driver of the car. In addition to G. the car could also be driven by his wife Kate, sister in law Sandy and a cousin of Kate’s by the name Michael.
-- When asked if he has anything to add he says that he has not seen any proof that his daughter Madeleine is dead, and therefore he will continue to search for her in the hopes she is alive. He knows nothing more than what has been said.
-- The lawyer for the defense says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.
-- During this interview the arguido was informed of his duty to respect the secrecy of justice as well as the consequences of not complying with same, stipulated in current law.
--- At around 20:50 the present interview was ended.
--- He says nothing further. After reading the document and finding it to be satisfactory, he confirms and signs it

Portuguese Version
Processo pdf10 pages 71-78


nancy said...

Hi Viv (and good morning to everyone)

Thanks for getting us up to date with the details of Gerry's statement which I hadn't read in full before and thanks to Di for giving us the link to it.

Well, it really surprises me how these doctors, especially Gerry McCann, passed all their exams to get to university in the first place, because talk about short term memories!

None of them would ever get on to Mastermind, that's for sure!

However he remembers what he wants to, i.e. how the windows and doors were and making sure the room was kept dark so the children didn't wake up.

He remembers the children chucking stuff behind the settee and Madeleine sleeping with him one night, but not why Kate didn't - maybe it was because I was snoring he says!

Also, as Claudia pointed out, just how could he not remember if Maddie had suffered an accident and bled in any way. Any parent would remember that.

Also saying that the predator could have drugged the twins too because they didn't wake up when moved - who was this predator then - Superman? He'd have to be to drug all the children, take Maddie from her bed without disturbing the bedding, hoist her through the window, and knowing he'd got to do all this before someone else came on their 'regular checks'!!

I'm sorry Gerry, but I don't buy your account of what happened that night and with all the many discrepancies in the Tapas stories as well, you were all very lucky to leave PdeL in my opinion. You certainly all have guardian angels watching over you, which is something poor Madeleine had to do without!

I don't think GM has memory problems; I think he remembers only what suits him and Goncalo saw through their lies, hence his book 'The truth of the lies'!

Enjoy your Christmas Kate and Gerry, but remember how your actions that week took all Madeleine's future Christmases away, and how the twins will have to grow up without the sister they so obviously adored.

Off to do a bit more Christmas shopping - can't believe it's only a week now! See you all later.


ratonthebeam said...

Thanks for the link Di, very interesting. If a so-called Doctor is really that forgetful and sloppy, then I would not even trust him with a nosebleed, let alone a heart complaint! There is just so much about this case that does simply NOT ADD UP.

Hope everyone is well and happy. I am off today for a whole fortnight, yippee!!! So I am away to tidy the house and get out my menorahim and clean them, ready for Hanukkah. Was hoping for snow but today it is just hissing down rain instead :-(

Another nasty case in the Wail today of a medical professional who is a wee bit too fond of the booze and puts their kids at risk as a result. This one escaped jail as well and she's not even a Doctor!!! WTF is WRONG with this country!

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nancy said...

Hi Rat

Have a really nice break, and let's hope that we get a bit of snow soon - it's about time we had a white Christmas!

I agree with you, the things that happen these days beggars belief.

Kids are so lucky if they have a good home life these days that's for sure! Too many of today's parents are from the drugs and binge drinking culture unfortunately.

nancy said...

Hi everyone -

An amazing open letter to Gordon Brown from Happygirl24 on the 3A's today. If she doesn't get satisfaction she has threatened to stand for parliament in the next elections as the Madeleine McCann candidate!

It has been sent to 10 MP's so far, including Jacqui Smith,but then 'all of a sudden' her email account was 'whooshed, gone, missing'-

What guts she has!

But no replies so far - what a surprise!

(Just like poor Madeleine it seems)!

Di said...

Good afternoon all

Hi Viv

Thanks for posting Gerry's statement.

It still amazes me, with everything that is coming out, that the pros cannot see the lies that are unfolding, and start to question their original opinions. Gina especially, I always thought she had more sense.


Thanks for your link, it is a miracle nobody was injured, what on earth was she thinking of risking her childs life as well as other road users.

Happy Hanukkah to you and yours.

Hi Nancy

I think Gerry has a definite case of selective amnesia, I do hope the NHS will be able to help him, hopefully the waiting list won't be too long.

Get well soon Gerry.

viv said...

Hiya Di, I think these so called "pros" demonstrate they are part of the poster campaign paid for out of the Find Maddie Fiddle, or they are just very abusive and nasty people, who like Kate and Gerry McCann just do not want to face the truth. Or of course they are relatives, since when did John and Philo want to face the truth. John gave up his job to take a salary instead from public donations to find Maddie. They never do anything to find Maddie, or indeed find out why she just cannot be found!

We should not lose sight of the fact that the term pros and antis was devised by them on the Daily Express. They have always been about deflecting discussion from the real issues by being nothing short of foul and abusive.

With all these vital statements being produced, evidence, not what we say on a blog, if they were a serious blog, just like us, they would post them and put their "twopennuth" in. But no, instead they write an entirely pointless thread about Goncalo joining 3 As. As ever, they just want to avoid the issues.

If they are being paid to defend these two I really do not know how they could buy christmas presents with their blood money. Maybe they should think of what Christmas is all about, suffer little children to come unto me. Kate and Gerry McCann clearly found their own children, insufferable, or, according to the pros, an error of judgment!


nancy said...

Not long until Christmas now folks!

I hope you've all got your small, or preferably large, brown envelopes ready!

I hope these scammers realise that many people are really hard up this Christmas and have just about enough to feed their families, let alone fill Santa sacks with money for them!

They seem to know enough celebrities, millionaires and prominent people, including the Pope, and a few of the Labour Government's overpaid ministers don't they? Why don't they aim their charity collection show at those who can afford it!

viv said...

Hiya Nancy

Well agreed Kate and Gerry know a few celebrities and politicians now but the burning question is, do they people still want to know them! I have seen absolutely no evidence of that!

It is very close to Christmas Day now, who is this sporting personality that is going to front an appeal for them, the centre forward for Enderby United who thinks he has nothing to lose! Oh is there an Enderby United or did have a vision, like all those sightings of poor little Madeleine, apparently!

God Bless Her, safe now with the Portuguese people where she will always remain and where she belongs. With a nation who love children and where it is customary to properly care for them, even including them in family meal time. Of course there are always exceptions to that rule, like Leonor, but she broke all customs and law and got put where she belongs and there she will stay.

Happy Christmas Goncalo!!


viv said...

Actually Nancy they are just as secretive about this sporting personality as they are about these ex police officers who now assist them. I could hazard a guess why that is!

Where are all these great leads from the files and why is it taking months to read when it took the AG just 20 days? It is a deep insult to Portuguese and British Police and Interpol and many other police forces worldwide to even suggest there could be one single thing in that file that had not been followed up. Of course there may be, that would be information from Metodo 3 and one could forgive the police for that, given they admit bribing witnesses for the McCanns!

nancy said...


As you say,it certainly seems to make a mockery of the work the various police teams carried out and is an insult to their integrity. But then the McCanns, right from the start, have shown unbelievable pomposity and self importance; you only have to watch their television interviews to see that the slightest hint of criticism aimed at them about Maddie's disappearance changes their attitudes immediately. It's as if no-one is allowed to comment on their despicable behaviour.

Regarding the files,I would have thought they'd had enough time to search the criminal records of half the nation by now, especially with their little team of helpers!

Could it be they are spreading it out for as long as possible so as to gain sympathy and look as though they really are leaving no stone unturned.

Do they really think the public are so gullible as to believe they haven't read everything and dissected it twice over by now?

As for Metodo 3, just why were they hired in the first place? It seems it was to make sure that Madeleine 'wasn't' found!! The money given by people who wanted to help find Madeleine gone whoosh clunk!

Justice for Madeleine!

Off to bed now - see you all tomorrow!


Cláudia said...

Just got home from a Christmas dinner.
Hope you're all well!
Boa noite!

viv said...

Bum21 asks me:

Friday, 19 December 2008 22:18:00 o'clock GMT

Viv, how do you know they are still reading the files? How do you know they are not following up any leads?

Just because it is not in the public domain what they are doing, does not mean they are not doing anything.

How do I know they are still reading the files, because Gerry says so, sh&t for brains!! And you support this family? Once again you demonstrate you do not know your proverbial ar$e from your elbow. Sorry to resort to your kind of language, I thought you would understand it better!

Gerry's Blog
Day 556: 09/11/2008

We continue to work very hard behind the scenes. Our support team has been expanded as we try to identify what has been done, what has not been done and what can still be done to help find Madeleine. We are not yet halfway through the Portuguese files but there is less information within the files than we were expecting.

Cláudia said...

Viv, I'm sorry but Bum may be right, this time. If Gerry says so then it's probably a lie. ROTFLMAO!

dylan said...

Morning guys!

Could it be that I have the accolade of latest (or earliest)post of the day for once??? :-)

Thank you Di for the link and thank you Viv for putting it up. Gerry's interview responses seem like Gerry Mandering to me. How could a person of his standing have such a bad (or selective memory??) I am totally, 100% certain, that if one of my children had bled to the extent that the blood spray had reached up the walls and under the tiles, that I would have known about it whether my partner had cleaned it up or myself. Nosebleed, leg bleed, nope! No excuse - I would KNOW!! I can't remember?? It just doesn't wash! ('scuse the pun!)

I have had a lovely eve out with my friends from school tonight. We went to an 80's night disco. I had forgotten just how much fun our 80's music was! What is shocking to me is that we had to explain to people that we have known each other for 27 years!!! OMG!! I feel really old!

I also just found this from Elly (who is with her dad this weekend) in my inbox. How sweet is this? I had a few tears, I must say!


To my special lovely mummy,
hope you get this poem before sunday!

christmas day seems far away
even though its really near
like when i am away from you
im serious i do not laugh and cheer

christmas day i love so much
if it was a teddy i woud coudle to death
its the same with you and i think about you with every breath
more to the point i miss you
im sorry if it is to much like xxx'x poems you no, like love poems nd stuff but it was really like a quick poem but i did concentrate alot. by the way ill be sending you a poem every day this weekend so CHECK YOUR EMAILS 4 GOODNESS SAKE! sorry!

lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots ect ect
love and more love


Bless her! I read it and just wanted to give her a cuddle, but I can't.

Goodnight all & merry pre -Christmas weekend. xxx

dylan said...

....and this is what I sent back to her (although I'm not expecting the Queen to invite me as Laureat just yet ;-))

He he! I get to send you one before you can send me one because I'm a grown-up and can stay up really late!!

Hello my little Christmas child,

Full of joy and love,

I send you this to ease your heart

with goodness from above.

For each and every child that lives,

A wish I would bestow,

That every child that goes without,

I light I give to glow

It is that at this time of year,

We must think of those

that feel the hunger of a drought

and feed them with ambrose.

Not all children I can say

knows the love of those,

Western folks that can and will,

Feed fingers down to toes.

So spare a wish thou child of mine

and count yourself as glad,

That this here very winter,

You will ne'er have to be sad. xxxxxxxx

Mummy xxxxxxxxxxxx

dylan said...

I think Elly is miles ahead of me on the poetry front! Look out for her name in years to come!

Nite again. Sleep well. xx

hope4truth said...

Morning All

Viv I dont think Mum is very bright if they were only half way thorugh in November they are hardly have going to finished the other half in just over a month...

They must be hiring idiots to translate and investigate for them as I have read most of what was on the DVD thanks to Claudia and other clever people... Without being biassed the evidence really shows them up as the uncaring people they are... I really believe any mother would find Kate very strange for not answering questions how could you stop yourself helping your child (Unless you were protecting yourself?)

She may understand now that you have come down to her leval with her favorite kind of discusting language (I wonder if she speaks to her husband using words like those?) or maybe she gets a little kick by swearing on line as she demonstrates her love and admiration for parents who not only neglected their children to go to a bar but when they told us one of them had been taken by a Peadophile ring they did nothing to help the police and looked like they had won the lottery on many occasions...

Can you imagine lying about shutters being forced to take a beautiful child and then having to say actually we thought there may be a fire so we left the door unlocked (so our three children aged 3 and under could leave the apartment on thier own and save their own lives)because we couldent be bothered to be parents and Madeleine was 3 after all old enough to take care of her siblings...


Love is all around at Christmas and I would rather have a lovely poem from my child than anything money could buy...

I am very excited we have our first family Christmas Party tonight and I cant wait to see everyone...


ratonthebeam said...

She's certainly lightyears ahead of the Bum. :-0

ratonthebeam said...

"It is likely the appeal will be fronted by a celebrity - who has yet to be named - and concentrate solely on Madeleine and not her parents Kate and Gerry, who face their second Christmas without their daughter. "

For "yet to be named" substitute the words "they haven't got one yet". They will no doubt recruit some tired old hack whose career is finished anyway, like Timmy Mallett, or some WAG or something. Somehow I can't see Richard Branson or the Beckhams signing up for this one!

And interesting to see the use of the phrase "concentrate on Madeleine and not Kate and Gerry". Has the penny finally dropped that they are NOT celebrities, and never will be (not even Z-list), they are self confessed child neglecters and nobody is even remotely interested in their jogging and blogging and wanabee publicity stunts.

They "also say they may change the way they keep people updated about the hunt for their daughter." Oh, they are going to start one, then? Instead of just making up stories about it?

The above all came from the Telegraph - 17 days ago. It's now the 20th December, so where's the Big Appeal? Or have they still not got a "celebrity" yet? (I believe Sharon Shoesmith is available?)

ratonthebeam said...

Or here's somebody that they might just catch to do it, before she goes off on Celebrity Big Brother. Must be a real velebrity, then!

ratonthebeam said...

Celebrity, even. :-0

nancy said...

Hello everyone!

At last a newspaper with the courage to print something about this case.

On the McCann Files a journalist from the Harlow Star (Chris Moss) has written about Tony Bennett's booklet, and although I don't have time to type it all, here is one paragraph from it:

"Tony Bennett claims his Madeleine McCann book will stand up in a Court of Law. He has sent copies of it to all the National Newspapers."

Let's hope they follow suit!!

Dylan -

Loved the poems - what lovely words and you get back what you are prepared to put in in this life!


ratonthebeam said...

I saw a tiny bit about this old case on a crime show yesterday. It really intrigued me so I looked it upon the internet.

Once I got to read it - really, really read it properly - the overwhelming sense of deja vu chilled me to the core.

Viv, I would be interested to see what you make of the legalities of this?

Dr Jeffrey MacDonald. Worth pointing out that the law took nine years to catch up with him, but catch up with him they did. He's now doing life, and quite rightly too IMHO.

Mercedes y Mila said...

Bonjour Viv, bonjour tous les participants.

Je suis Mila ( Mercedes & Mila du blog espagnol "Hasta que se sepa la verdad").
Je vous souhaite a tous Un Joyeux Noël et une Bonne Année 2009.
Et beaucoup de courage pour continuer a chercher la vérité et la justice pour Madeleine.

Saludos Viv, saludos todos los participantes.

Soy Mila ( Mercedes & Mila del blog español " Hasta que se sepa la verdad").
Os deseo a todos unas Felices Navidades y un Prospero Año 2009.
Y mucho animo para seguir buscando la verdad y la justicia para Madeleine.

Sorry mi english is not good...

Hello Viv , hello all participants.

I am Mila (Mercedes & Mila blog Spanish "Hasta que se sepa la verdad").
I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2009.
And a lot of courage to continue to seek truth and justice for Madeleine.

hope4truth said...


This paragraph...

"It is likely there will be a Christmas message with the focus on Madeleine," Said CM

Well duh Madeleine is the victim Kate and Gerry Posibly the Killers, Killer, Hiding a Corpse, or Neglecting their children and leaving the door unlocked while they had fun with other scummy parents in a bar...

It is about time these scammers were held acountable for what they have done...

Karen Mathews had lots of fake tears Kate has managed to cry a bit but mostly in interviews she has looked like she was there to promote a new book and the many pictures of them looking so pleased with themselves and joyful are not normal for a parent who thinks their child is in the hands of a peadophile ring...

Then again any loving mother would not say she slept well a few days later felt no guilt for letting her daughter down in such a discusting way leave the Twins in danger while she went back to the Tapas dump them in a creche while she made herself look pretty and demur or went jogging to meet the press...

Any loving Mother would be searching for her child not texting home to start spinning her version of events and asking for a priest.

But most damming of all any Mother who thought their daughter was in danger would help the police with any question they wanted her to answer not refuse to answer a single question...

Maybe there is someone out there who beliveives them Fiona Phillips is out of work now she Neglects her children so she can eat in peace with her husband when on holiday (and finds it funny they were running around looking for her in the hotel) thank god she has gone any Mother who thinks her children in their PJs knocking on strangers doors looking for her is funny needs a visit from social services to advise her how to be a Parent.

Maybe there should be an apeal for Madeleine this year but asking for real evidence not paid for evidence found by a fraud investigation firm. Hopefully our own papers will start to print the truth and not the truth as told by CM...

hope4truth said...

Merry Christmas Mila dont worry about your English my Spanish Is rubbish but at least you have a go xxx

nancy said...

Mercedes y Mila!

Bien Venido!

Buenas dias y muchos gracias para las palabras tan simpatica!

Hi Mercedes - thank you for your good wishes which are heartily reciprocated by me and, I'm sure, everyone else on Viv's blog!

Feliz Navidad y prospero Ano Nuevo!

Happy Christmas and prosperous New Year!


nancy said...

Rat -

I think Georgina Baillie would be a good choice to hear their Christmas collection fandango - her egotistical profile would certainly fit in with the McCanns!

She might even be able to persuade her partner in crime, the revolting Russell Brand, and the even more revolting Jonathan Ross to help out - they would all surely feel at home!


Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Happy Hannukah to ROB, LGC and all who are celebrating Hannukah.

'Georgina hasn't spoken to her grandfather Andrew since the scandal'

Although she has managed to use the situation for her own publicity. Wonder how much she made from her interviews?. I also wonder if her grandfather's PA also used the situation for his publicity? Surely not they were distressed by it all weren't they? So distressed they have not spoke since the scandal. Hmmm!

Zodiac said...

'So distressed they have not spoken to each other since the scandal.'

viv said...

Viv, I'm sorry but Bum may be right, this time. If Gerry says so then it's probably a lie. ROTFLMAO!

Oh Claudia, I love you Hun, as soon as I tune in you have the power to really make me laugh:-))))


nancy said...

Hi Zodiac -

I sometimes think these celebrities lay in bed at night think of ways to get themselves in the newspapers with some scandal or other. Shame seems to have gone out of the window these days and some of them would slander their nearest and dearest to make headlines and plenty of money at the same time!

Bit like the McCanns really then!


dylan said...

Happy Saturday folks!

Thank you for your comments about littlun's poem. Bless! I hope Bum is taking notes! I got another poem just as promised. She does make me laugh as she writes just as she talks - wittering without drawing a breath (ie, no punctuation!) :-)

Hope - have a great evening. I hope it all goes well and you have a lovely time. One of things I love about this time of year is catching up with freinds and relatives. This made me laugh BTW: 'Well duh Madeleine is the victim '! I love the fact that you say what you think. Please don't ever change!

Happy Hannukah Ratty & LGC. I don't know much about it but if you have the time, I'd love to hear about it.

Zodiac - Georgina Baillie - lol!

I'm off now to wrap presents. I don't get much time when the kids aren't around and so I'd best get moving on it. I also want to make fudge this eve as the kids have eaten all of the chocs that were supposed to go with the advent calendar. I'm hoping it will turn out better than my mum's as, although hers was delicious, it came out more like toffee!

Mercedes - thank you and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too. x


dylan said...

Sorry Nancy, Georgina was your suggestion! Zodiac - your comment was interesting though! xx

viv said...

ah more Christmas cheer from RAT, "I believe Sharon Shoosmith is available to front their campaign". Well she would be the epitome of Kate, Gerry and everything they stand for.

They really are just a wee bit late pointing out they are focussing on Madeleine, rather than Kate and Gerry though are they not! So getting on for two years later the focus is on. Hang on a minute would normal parents have been racing around searching from the moment she was noted missing, well no, not according to Kate, "searching, well not as such, but we have been doing a lot of work behind the scenes". (Kate in her very first interview looking decidedly shifty) Hum like you are still not focussing on wasting our precious time are you Kate? Instead, feeding on your hatred for Goncalo Amaral, reading those files over and over again. That is not searching for Maddie though is it? No one searches when the already know do they Kate?

Well anyway at least they accept the public are not actually interested in them, what time they get up, take a shower, how "distraught" they feel etc.

Shame it took you so long to realise Kate and Gerry, there are just three little people we think are truly fantastic in your family, your children, shame you did not think the same on that "holiday".

We all think I just wish you had given Maddie to me to look after, she would be alive, loved and really happy! Children are such a precious thing to normal people!


viv said...

Hey Bum what you are you going to do, get Richard Branson (your mate tee hee) to sue them for you ROFLMAO XXX

IMO opinion if you are vile and offensive on the internet people can copy that and highlight just what you are just as much as they like. Saying it is copyright makes no difference, you would still need a legal cause of action and what do you think the High Court would make of the stuff you write? More to the point you would need Branson to pay the costs of an action that would be "frivolous, scandalous and vexatious". This gets an order for the costs of both sides to be made against you and can lead to the title "vexatious litigant". So stop threatening people, it only aligns you more still with the gruesome twosome who are very good at that, but did find a real target with the Daily Express!

Basically, get a life, before it is too late!

Message for bonnybraes1, at 3A's
by Mum21 on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:02 am

Just in case you had not noticed...this forum and its contents are copyright to this forum. It is displayed clearly for all to see on the Index page.
So you are breaking the copyright laws by copying posts from here and taking them to the 3A's. So, I would be obliged if you would remove them.

Thank you,

hope4truth said...

Hi All

Have a loveley evening and some Cyber Fudge would be lovely Dyl xxx

Viv I think Monkey of Tea Bag fame is doing the alternitive Queens speach this year I do hope I read that right and they did not mean CM was doing it (as I can warm to a knitted puppet much more than a sock puppet) but I can see where the mistake could have been made...

God Bless Madeleine and all Neglected and Abused Children at Christmas and through the rest of the year...

Saw the NSPCC advert today until Madeleine went missing I donated to them throughout the year and supported them at Christmas. I know they cant be held responsible in any way for what happend to Madeleine but I dont feel they have emphasised just how bloody discusting it is to sod off and leave your children on holiday..

What is the point to any childrens charity if they dont use this sad case to show there are abusive parents in every walk of life not just the Karen Mathews of this world?

You dont kick people when they are down especialy if a child is missing but as an educated person from the first day something was not right with this and no one should have tried to defend the neglect.

Fiona Philips and even Richard and Judy tried to play the neglect down as if it was nothing fawning over Gerry and Kate instead of checking the distance and the facts for themselves...

To all people who think the sun shines out of their **** all I can say is you must think Madeleine deserved to be Neglected and put through hell her Mother and Father have lied since day one about the distance and the door being locked shutters forced... And from day 2 onwards the lies came thick and fast...

We are scum for doubting them and all the rumours but most of the rumours turned into facts once the DVD was released...

To anyone who really believes I am scum for caring about Madeleine and not worrying about her parents all I can say is take a look at the interviews and the happy snaps of the pair of them and answer honestly if your child were missing would you look that happy ever again???

Richard wouldent in their autobiography he wront about Jack disapearing on Boxing Day after they allowed him out onto the commom in front of their house the panic he describes is a normal reaction to a missing child when they found he had gone next door they were obviously relieved but reading his words in their book I cant see how he thinks the McCanns are not bloody odd in the way they have reacted to a far more serious situation and a much younger child.

hope4truth said...


I would love to see Mum in court complaingin about her discusting posts being coppied and pasted LOL

She should definatly sue so many of her foul mouthed posts to show the world what kind of people bully and swear for the McCanns..

I am sure anyone who had never blogged would be shocked to think the McCanns actually thank these people for their intimidation and vile words...

Never been about Madeleine on their site allways about two Neglecting Parents who buggered off to a bar and lied about everything since she went missing..

viv said...

Hello Mila and lovely to hear from you.

I wish you and friends all over the world who support Justice for Little Madeleine McCann a fantastic Christmas and know that in the New Year we will continue in our search for the truth, for justice and for challenging lies, hypocrisy and abusive and harmful behaviour to little children, who need to be looked after, at all times properly by their own parents who brought them into the world! It is not a lot to ask unless your name is Kate and Gerry McCann!

Lots of Love to you and from the UK thank you Spain for all your efforts for one seriously neglected little British girl!




hope4truth said...

Talking of Richard Branson I saw an interview with him the other day with his son and daughter It was so natural and you could see how much he loved them both.

Maybe he still believes in the McCanns but I do wonder if he regrets being so generous? All of the people who came forward for them in the begining did it because they really believed a little girl was missing but the McCanns behaviour has been so odd they must be doubting them..

viv said...

Oh Hope!!

Simply priceless, I love it!

"Viv I think Monkey of Tea Bag fame is doing the alternitive Queens speach this year"

Must be very difficult for poor Kate and Gerry though, no longer controlling the investigation as it were! Kate looked so nice last year, too!! Him, well, um, I guess he does not go with makeup..

viv said...

Hiya Hope

Branson did give them £100,000 for legal costs to try and defend themselves, I wonder how many times over they spent that one and they still look guilty as hell!

I think it is very telling that these celebrities who obviously believed them at the outset are very silent now.

I am convinced that if Beckham believed in the McCanns to this day, he would front this appeal for them, because he is a lovely guy who loves kids. But the McCanns know they cannot get him and they know the reason why too!


hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

The picture at the top of this page is heartbreaking I cant help thinking little Madeleine is enjoying Christmas and is not at home again this year and the memory from that photo must be devestaing to both of them.

Then Gerry Blogs and never mentions happy moments and heartbreak as in this time last year etc and it is just odd.

I would not expect distraught parents to share their lives with us but as he chose to do so you would think Madeleine would get a mention.

This is our second Christmas with my Nan and her sisters will be at my parents tonight and she and my Grandad and Uncle's who have died will be a huge part of the conversation. Although it is sad and emotional the memory of these people and then even on to my Great Grandparents will bring so much laughter when we remeber the daft things they all did at Christmas and all our memories of them it will be comforting to talk about them all...

I am a bit hyper tonight as I have been drinking red bull dont think I should have any more or I will never sleep again lol xxx

hope4truth said...

Whoops that should have been without my Nan bless her...

Who would not donate and try and help a missing child if they had the profile and money to do so...

Beckham is a loving father I wonder what he makes of all this???


viv said...

Hiya Hope

My mom had a look at the blog yesterday (I wanted to show her all the lovely comments made).

As soon as she saw that gorgeous pics she just oh what little beauties, how could anyone leave them alone!

Luke is actually paying for a meal tonight, so hey, that is good, I am going to shower, put the appropriate makeup and colour coordinated jewellery on. I might even go for a green and yellow theme but I guess at my age that could be a bit sallow!

BBL in between decorating his bedroom!


hope4truth said...


I cant look at yellow and green together anymore (It took a while to realise in the begingin she diddnt allways go out with ribbons in her hair) their Marketing person was bloody rubbish..

Enjoy your meal...

I will look in when I get home but that wont be until very late xxx

dylan said...

Urgghh! Have given up on the fudge tonight as I have come down with the lurgy - man flu - or in other words: a cold!!

Have a lovely meal, Viv. I prefer to celebrate green and yellow as Norwich City FC colours and not child neglectors' choice of remembering a daughter they left alone and then flog those awful braclets in her name! Poor child. Madeleine deserved so much better.

Enjoy yourself as well Hope. You deserve to spend time with family that you obviously adore and remember those that you loved too. (and take it easy on the Red Bull!)xxx

I am off now for a lemsip and an early night. I think my "latest night poster" has all been a bit too much for me ;-) Goodnight all. Sweet dreams. xx

Zodiac said...


I have just read your poem from your little one. It is lovely! Hope you feel better soon enjoy your lemsip and early night.

Goodnight all enjoy your evening.

PS Hope PMSL at your post 'Monkey of Tea Bag'.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, all.
Christmas is almost here! Lots of things to do around here! I hope tomorrow I'll have the time to read back.

P.S: Doc, where the hell are you? :-)

hope4truth said...

Just seen the video on the BBC News website well did not watch it just read the article underneath it...

CM says it was hard for them to do this but they still feel she is alive???

So why keep footage of her speaking back for nearly 2 years before making it available for people who may recognise her???

It is ok as they are working hard behind the sceens so I guess Kate is not an uncaring mother then for refusing to answer a single question that may have helped find her beautiful child?

And both of them are and were far to busy texting to even bother going out to find her the night she vanished after all they knew she had been abducted as the shutters were broken. Only they were not the door was unlocked or was it?

There may be a celeb on the video but no mention of one in the article...

Poor child neglected and god knows what else by two parents who all this time later have decided this apeal should focus on her...

Sorry but I still cant get over the fact that they have waited all this time to use this video if she was really missing surley this should have come out in the early days if it is that important.

Keep digging CM your whole team will one day be the downfall of the people who are paying you to spin for them.



hope4truth said...


I have just watched the Video and with Snow Patrol Chasing Cars it is very emotional. The thing that struck me with it was just how young Madeleine and the Twins were. Although I think this may have been Christmas 05 as she looks a lot younger than the other Christmas Video when she is dressed as snow white???

There was a couple of power point slides asking for information but no apeal from the McCann's maybe that is still to come?

I still cant get over the fact that this is very very clear video footage of her and although she looks younger if this was realeased when she went missing would have been far more relevant.

She would be nearly 6 by now with different hair and would have changed so much.

I guess 5 months is a long time in a baby's life but the twins look a lot older in PDL in fact after looking at it again this has to be 2005 it was shot...

So why wait with such clear footage of Madeline why wait another 19 months before releasing this video?

It is not as if they havent shown Madeleine's picture off a thousand times with a few brief video shots.. This is heartbreaking she looks so pleased with her shoes and is running around playing to the camera like children do before they hit their embaresed stage how could anyone just leave her alone in a room and go to a bar?

Kate and Gerry may blame everyone for what happend to her they may blame me for being so negative towards them and the so called Pro's will need to keep on intimidating and bullying on their behalf but I blame them for what happend to their daughter the fact they say they left a door open in case of fire shows they knew it was dangerous and iresponsible to leave such young children alone...

Not once have they taken any responsibility for their actions. They never searched for her the night she went missing and I just cant get my head round that there is no way on earth they could know 100% she had been taken and if she was hiding and frightend her parents voices would have been the voices she would have responded to.

This one fact makes me think they knew there was no point in looking for her as I cant imagine anyone not doing this...

If anyone feels like giving donate to a fund that helps Neglected and Abused Children not a fund that has paid witnesses to come forward and speak on their behalf. The outcry on the people who helped Rhys Jone's killer cover up his crime has been voiced by many and most of the scum have been jailed for perverting the course of justice with more to follow next year.

When a child is missing their can be nothing sadder and the whole country worries about the poor child and feels for the parents. But when the lies are shown and it turns out the Mother refuses to answer very simple questions and neither of them searched I cant feel for them as they clearly dont feel for their child.

hope4truth said...

Hello Again

Just typed in Madeleine McCann into you tube and it brings up many results including the video's by spudgun so maybe their apeal will also give people the oportunity to see just how strange this case has been.

nancy said...

Good morning everyone!

According to the McCanns, Christmas is a time for children. I agree wholeheartedly, but the whole year is a time for children, not just Christmas.

And people still believe their rubbish - Kate says there is no evidence that Madeleine has been harmed (BBC Radio 4 this morning).

Well, she should think again - what about the evidence in the apartment, the car, and the result of Keela and Eddie the professional sniffer dogs! Not to mention their completely emotionless behaviour since then, leaving their twins with someone else while they toured the world - grinning all over their faces a week after Madeleine had gone missing, and who could leave their other children when they thought their beloved daughter had been abducted by a paedophile in another country? Only completely hard faced parents in my opinion.

As usual, the BBC gave their usual sychophantic report showing the McCanns as loving, grieving parents, Well, unfortunately, that love didn't stretch to making sure their children were safe in PdeL did it?

It's true to say that on the video Madeleine comes across as a child well loved and enjoying her Christmas with her siblings.
However, that doesn't mean she wasn't treated with complete and utter disregard on their holiday in PdeL and they can't sweep that under the carpet!

And just why is Mr Pinky still speaking on behalf of the McCanns? Cat got their tongues or something - I thought he was working in pastures new now!

nancy said...

Hi Hope

I haven't watched the video yet, but I will later. As I said above, Madeleine was obviously enjoying Christmas with her family and seemed happy, but this doesn't alter the fact of what happened in PdeL - they are obviously trying to gather sympathy for the wrong reasons, i.e. to make people think what loving responsible parents they are.

As you said, this video should have been shown before now - just why have they kept it under wraps?


nancy said...

Hi Hope

I haven't watched the video yet, but I will later. As I said above, Madeleine was obviously enjoying Christmas with her family and seemed happy, but this doesn't alter the fact of what happened in PdeL - they are obviously trying to gather sympathy for the wrong reasons, i.e. to make people think what loving responsible parents they are.

As you said, this video should have been shown before now - just why have they kept it under wraps?


nancy said...

I see that the famous photo of Maddie by the pool (shown in the video) doesn't show Gerry's elbow almost touching her head - was it airbrushed out this time, or was it never there at all?

And the shot of Kate smiling and sitting on the bed holding Maddie must have been some time before and not that Christmas because Maddie has short hair in that shot but longer hair in the rest of the video, unless it was Amelie!

And why are K&G not appearing at the beginning or end of that video begging and pleading for the safe return of their daughter from whoever they think has her - that's what I would be doing.

nancy said...

And just in case any of you want to help Gerry and Kate McCann out with their Christmas bills, they have set up a Paypal account so you don't need the little brown envelopes this time - just do it on line!! Be generous now!!

bath theory said...

There is clearly no reason to appeal for money. They have a very rich guy ploughing money into them and thus the actual appeal just reinforces the money grabbing feeling many have. After all they did spend other peoples money on their own mortgage !!!!!! The words there is no 'evidence' depends on what you call 'evidence' doesn't it. When I watch any police drama bloodsplats are evidence. The lack of emotion would be deemed evidence. Yes, there is no body and there is no clear witness statement as far as we know saying I know they did it. But the joyful smiles after a week say it all. It is moral evidence isn't it.

Moreover if it is true that Snow Patrol Chasing Cars song has been used then that is extremely interesting as the main tag line is 'If I lay here, if I just lay here...' What a farce we are being led to believe they left their eldest alone at night and went out partying and yet if they had left one of them to lay next to their daughter then she would be okay wouldn't she. That recent fact that she was laying next to her when Madeleine was shouting out Daddy, Daddy is somewhat more telling isn't it.

The paypal signs are crass.

bath theory said...

I've basically had enough of this whole story and look forward to the day when the legal establishment is allowed to deal with them without political interference. It will be a while but I feel very confident it will come.

Zodiac said...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/ ... news-video
Hi all,

Above is the link to the video. Sorry if it has already been posted. Have not had time to read back. I have also e-mailed snowpatrol expressing how shocked I am that they associate their music with child neglect. I also posted the 48 questions the mother did not answer in the e-mail.


I should have posted the link to Eddie and Keela video. If anyone else e-mails them that would be interesting for them to view.

I also did not see or hear a Sporting Hero or Celebrity in the video.

nancy said...

Bath Theory -

I hope you are right!

Any normal person whose child had been missing for so long would have made their Paypal account an appeal to help all missing children.

It seems that the McCanns are not willing to use any of the cash donated for other suffering families. How selfish is that?

dylan said...

Good morning all.

I've just had a read back and there were some really heartfelt posts bot last night and this morning.

Zodiac, I am severely disappointed in Snow Patrol too. That was one of my favourite tracks on their album but I will skip it from now on. There is a line in the lyrics that goes something like 'Those three words, I find so hard to say', which means the "I love you" three words (I think), strikes me that they find lots of words difficult to say. Such as, 'Madeleine, we are really sorry', and 'We admit that it was very wrong of us to leave our children behind'. Instead they say that they wished they had been there at the moment she was 'taken'! That makes me really Bl@@dy angry. They should have said that they wished they had never left the children AT ALL!

I think SP should change the lyrics to: 'Those 40 questions....I should have answered!

GTG, taxi is here!


hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

I missed the paypal button what a shame but I dont feel guilty as I have found the paypal button on the McCann files and donated there as I want Madeleine found as much as the next person and at least on there all the evidence and reports are included not just evidence McCann Style...

I did get an asurance first that no money would ever make it to the fund as I dont like to waste money and all the money that has been wasted so far is criminal...

How many missing children could be helped by that amount of money???

Not sure why they have included pictures of Madeleine when she was 2 on their fight to find her surely it would be better to pay someone to age her image and send s photo out of what she would look like now?

What do I know though I thought the law was on the side of children but that has been proved worng on so many occasions when abused and neglected children end up dead or on the streets as there is no one there to listen to them...

nancy said...

Hope -

Of course, to show pictures of Madeleine as she would now look would have been the first thing you would think of if you were desperate to find your missing child. So it must beg the question of just how sincere are they in saying they believe she could still be alive and well!

I don't think they really believe that any more than we do.

nancy said...

And I wonder what happened to the famous sporting personality who was supposed to head their campaign, or was that just another bit of spin?

janz1956 said...

Afetrnoon everyone.
OMG this video has made me so mad. WHY would you hold on to this for 19 months, unless of course you knew what had happened? If you seriously wanted your child back you would hand over EVERYTHING you had straight away. Dont they think she would have changed in two years? They obviously knew all along she wouldnt be found. what on earth did they think they were doing?
Do they have more `unseen footage` for next year too. This is sick.
The Snow Patrol song is just so inappropriate, its a beautiful song which is now ruined for me by these child neglectors.
Why has no-one from either the LP or the PJ asked them why they didnt give anyone this video earlier, surely it would have helped the `search`

Sorry for rambling but I`m furious.
That poor child

nancy said...

Hi Janz

If they were serious about getting people to seach for Madeliene, as Hope poined out, they would have put up a picture with the video of what she would have looked like right now - after all she will be six in May and would look completely different to the video of her.

I just don't trust those McCanns or their 'silent' tapas friends!

Something happened that night of the 3rd May and they are all doing their darndest to make the public think they are whiter than white, when they are nothing but a bunch of child neglecters and self promotion con artists.


hope4truth said...

Hi Nancy and Jan

If you look at the twins in that footage it has to be Christmas 2005... We have already seen Chritstmas 2006 when she went missing opening the bag she would take with her to PDL...

The Unseen footage as it was advertised is sickening you often get unseen footage of a celeb never before seen pictures etc.... But when a child is missing you dont wait 19 months to show the world how lovely Madeleine was we all know how lovely she was and we all know she was not lovely enough for her parents to stay with her...

The fact they neglected 3 children night after night is sickening yet we are not allowed to say it is wrong or they are probebly guilty of far worse than child neglect (although this in itself is apalling)..

They dont speak on the video Gerry has been playing with his computer again making some powerpoint slides... CM says they are focusing on Madeleine well who else is there to focus on???

If they dont know she is dead then releasing the picture of her eye against all advise shows how arrogant they are whilst playing with their childrens saftey..

First they leave them alone..

Then Kate discovers Madeleine is missing and just knows she has been abducted (and later says in her odd way they were watching us toung click and she was gone) ...

Then with the knowledge there is an evil abducter around Kate leaves the twins alone again to run back to the Tapas bar around the side of a road through reception to tell her story to the other neglecting parents.

Who rush back with her and start shouting about borders peadophile rings contact sky news yet none of them go and check their own children are where they left them when they went to the Bar...

Each of the 9 adults on that holiday are the scum of the earth and how they can look their children in the eye when putting them to bed or at any other time is beyond me..

Madeleine Beth McCann aged 3 years has been put to the back of the victim list and not a single one of them has fought for her it has been me me me from day one...

Each of their children should be on the at risk register as none of them think what they did was wrong even though by the results of their actions they tell us Madeline is in the hands of a peadophile ring but Daddy says there is no reason to belive she has been harmed what a sicko...

nancy said...

Hope -

I totally agree that all these children whose parents left them to follow their own selfish pursuits, should be on the 'at risk' register. They would be if they were children of lesser mortals who had gone out, left their children alone, and one poor little mite had gone missing through their neglect.

But I'm afraid it's the old story. There is one rule for them and one for us!


hope4truth said...

Just read this on the McCann Files there are some notes made by Kate about Justine this one takes the biscuit...

Wednesday, July 25 "I spoke with Trish about Justine. Some uncertainties. The key is to what extent she is dedicated to Madeleine. I need to feel that she is. She never refers to her as a person and there seems no great emotion, sympathy or understanding with regard to my feelings. Maybe this is not relevant to her role and her activities while managing the campaign, but I know that I would feel a little happier. The other concern, I think, is related to her remuneration and validation of her necessity and her "overtime" and therefore the request for more money. I think we all need to have a conversation soon. After having said all this, I cannot imagine how things would be without her and that worries me.

Why should it worry her if Justine was not around. Apart from a police spokesperson has anyone ever been employed to speak for parents who are apealing for the return of their daughter?

And again Justine was not thinking about Kate's feelings so maybe she twigged early on that it was all lies and did not feel she had anywhre to go?

I remeber the papers slating her for charging so much money but I cant believe they needed anyone to talk for them in the first place the money could have been used to try and find Madeleine but obviously that was not the top of the list of things to do???

hope4truth said...


What is unreal about this is the way they all stick together if I had been in their position and Negleced my children and been in part responisble for going along with it is ok to neglect children I would never forgive myself and would blame myself for what happend to Madeleine...

If I saw the McCann's acting in such a strange way or was told not to co operate or to fit Murat up alarm bells would be ringing and I would be doing all I could to distance myself and would certainly not be sueing anyone for saying things about me as it would be no more than I deserved.

Where are social services in all this are social idiots like Karent Mathews all under the impresion now that you can make money out of a child and neglect is ok???


nancy said...

Hope -

I think the tapas pals know more about what went on that night than they are saying. They are obviously keeping quiet to protect their reputations, although I don't know why because they are already torn to shreds! Either that or they have been told not to reveal anything or face certain consequences. Also they all made a nice bit of money themselves at the High Court libel case, so perhaps it was worth keeping quiet for!

I'm not sure if all of them know what happened, but I'm sure Jane Tanner and O'Brien know.

And we mustn't forget the role the Masonic Lodge has certainly played in this whole sorry saga. Under their rules they couldn't reveal anything even if it meant covering up the most corrupt and sordid details.

As for Social Services, I believe they paid the McCanns one visit, but were probably taken in by their charms LOL!


Wizard said...

Hi and seasons greetings to one and all.

The latest video release from the McCanns is very predictable and clearly highlights their agenda. Photographs and videos of Madeleine from 2 years ago cannot give an accurate likeness of Madeleine if she were alive today also her speech would have improved over time and would be dissimilar to the voice in the video. Therefore the latest appeal cannot produce a breakthrough of any kind as suggested by the McCanns.

This new video on the other hand does have a purpose it can raise awareness and attempt to cement in peoples mind that Madeleine was abducted. This is the primary purpose of the video imo with a secondary purpose of swelling the coffers of the fund to bankroll investigations that steer away from anything other than an abduction.

Could this video be viewed by those who have not followed this case as a last ditch attempt by grieving parent to find their daughter? Well if we put to one side the findings of the dogs and the blood spatter it might work but otherwise……….

nancy said...

Hi Wizard - well said.

I have just been reading the comments on the Sky report and the vast majority of those say more or less the same thing:

Why did the McCanns let all these vital months pass by before showing this video of Madeleine talking and playing, which shows more or less how she would have looked then.

What is the point of releasing it now other than to pull at people's heartstrings and get the money rolling in!

These people obviously have their own secret agenda!

And why is Clarence Mitchell still talking for them - they are no longer under arguido status so there's no reason why can't speak for themselves!

Wizard said...

Hi Nancy,

Your right about Clarence - is he still on their payroll?

I've just spotted this statement by the Mcs.

“Reassuringly, we know that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Madeleine has been seriously harmed (and this has been further confirmed after studying the recently released Portuguese police files).”

This new statement by the Mcs really shows how safe they think their position is in all this is.

viv said...

Hello guys

Well I just do not know how more Paypal donations can help them Find Maddie because they already have a lot of money and they are not looking for her.

I think they want a lot more money for one simple reason, they could not even find a third rate sports personality who believes in them any more so money is hard to come by. The sort of money they need to continue to defend themselves is quite massive. Their defence does not just consist of traditional greedy and very expensive lawyers, it consists of media manipulators and they are expensive too.

I am disgusted by them releasing these images of Maddie from just five months before she was abducted, apparently, almost two years later. I can only agree they were held back for the long term campaign that Gerry referred to, to maintain the public's interest in Madeleine long after she in fact died. The blood spatter which was found when both dogs marked the spot just cannot be ignored. I think it is pertinent that even they do not mention abduction. Could that be on legal advice, after all perpetuating that particular myth is certainly perverting the course of justice.

I am also completely horrified by the McCanns suggestion there is absolutely no evidence she has come to any harm. Cadaver odour and blood spatter in the same spot aside, what about the very fact that a helpless little girl, not quite four has just disappeared without trace. For goodness sake is this not evidence of serious harm!!

viv said...

Wizard, not to put to fine a point on it, as ever, I completely agree with your pyschological analysis of how they themselves view their own position.

Completely desperate!!

This reinforces my own legal viewpoint that the British Police have by no means left these two alone. They will love children and want justice for them, just like we all do!


viv said...

Oh dear Poops is desperate and angry too, spitting and slavering with ahem joy over the new video. Even invented a new word whilst in that process. There are some clear McCannisms in this short piece, best follow Kate and Gerry's lead I think Poops!

"I see from above the comments of Vile, that again she has made a spectacular fool of herself.

She does it time and time and time again, not once has her comments had any reminents of truth in them. "

Wizard said...

Hi Viv,

The McCanns suggestion that there is absolutely no evidence Madeleine has come to harm – I agree with you one hundred percent on three counts, dogs, blood and the fact that Madeleine is missing. But their actions are of course transparent what they are placing into the public arena is the fact that there is no clear cut evidence that can be presented in court to convict them of involvement in their daughter’s disappearance. This of course is not the same as exonerating them from any wrong doing but I expect they hope people miss this little fact.

viv said...

Hiya Wizard

As the Daily Telegraph put it:

"The McCanns were relieved when prosecutors announced in July that they were shelving the case and lifting the couple's arguido status."

But, I suppose it does not relieve the long term agony of how all serious criminals feel when up against the Police!

Instead of using the phrase "taken" or "her abduction", it has subtly changed to "out there". This is literally true because her body is out there, somewhere.

The Telegraph have links alongside, of how the McCanns will not attend a reconstruction and another how the Police have called it off. I think the British Press do sometimes try to suggest the reality, whilst at the same time, not doing enough to be accused of preventing any fair trial of the McCanns from ultimately taking place. There are very strict laws on this in the UK! This is not to decry the fact that telling the story the way the McCanns want it told has meant they got direct access to the McCanns and hence massive revenue. But there is a new phase now, the McCanns do not want to talk! Is it because they know this does them so much harm or is it because they know they will ultimately face trial, shelved, Kate and Gerry, just shelved, like so many murder enquiries until the police can build a watertight case. At the end of the day they know it is a complete waste of time looking for Madeleine and the McCanns have not stood on their legal right to demand the British Police look for her. That is because they know what Det Sup Prior would have to say to that silly idea!


dylan said...

Hi all,

Wizard - lovely to see you post again. I think it has been a while, hasn't it?

Janz, I don't blame you for feeling angry. I am too, especially since I know that that little girl is no longer alive. Of course they found it difficult to compile that video because they know that too. IMO, it is patronising and released purely to illicit the exact response that they want from the public and that is that Madeleine was abducted. Any person who watches it who is not aware of what we are party to, would naturally believe that they are loving parents and that there is no way they could have let her come to harm. I watched it once and can't watch it again as it breaks my heart.

Hope, well said. How on earth can they conclude that they don't believe that M has come to any harm? Even if you disregard the forensic evidence and happen to believe that she was abducted, of course she has bloody well come to harm. She would have been alone, frightened, terrified and sad, not to mention the physical atrocities that would have been inflicted by a paedophile. They make me sick, and Poops can stick her contempt for us somewhere where the sun doesn't shine for all I care, as all I care about is justice for a poor wee mite that was abandoned to her own fate. God bless Madeleine, wherever you are. xxxx

Had an awful night. Hardly any sleep but at least the cold has come out properly now so I'm hoping I should feel better for Christmas.

Back later. xx

Wizard said...

The question for 2009 is will the McCanns slip up? I think quite possibly they will -it’s the how and when I’m not sure of.

viv said...

nancy said...

And just in case any of you want to help Gerry and Kate McCann out with their Christmas bills, they have set up a Paypal account so you don't need the little brown envelopes this time - just do it on line!! Be generous now!!
Sunday, 21 December 2008 08:48:00 o'clock GMT

Maybe we should send them 10pxxx

Jan, I share your anger and clearly many others do too. Another spectacular disaster from Team McCann! I suppose to really understand how normal people may feel, you would need to be normal yourself to have that insight. Kate, Gerry, Clarence, insight? Umm

dylan said...

Hi Viv,

Normal they certainly aren't! The problem is that the McCanns believe that we all have their same lack of principles. I am glad I don't subscribe to thier ethos.

Wizard, I think they already have slipped up.....several times! I just hope that it is all on record with the people that can actual achieve justice for Madeleine, and as Viv says, we can be certain that it is.


viv said...

corrections !
Hiya Dillie

Well every now and then we have a strategic media event, geared to demonstrating the McCanns' innocence. If we are guilty the rhetoric goes, how could we have obtained libel damages?

We know they plan strategic media events because Gerry let us in on his little plans, in June 2007...it will not be a one year anniversary..

So what will the media event be in 2009? What are we currently being told to set those seeds in our minds..."she is out there somewhere" "looking for leads in the PJ files" "our investigators will follow up any leads" "bring Madeleine home". It will take until about February apparently to finish reading the PJ files, then their will be the customary media event in May. What then, as the Police continue to investigate them?

Will their investigators, acting on a lead from the PJ file, suddenly find Maddie's body? The rhetoric will then be, we properly looked for her unlike the useless police, we are bringing Maddie home. Forensic evidence badly degrades with the passage of time. Their supporters will say, how on earth could they have killed her when they "found" her body.

It might sound like fiction but so does reading what Kate and Gerry have been up to for the couple of years! It might sound gruesome too, but so is repeatedly sitting in a big expensive house and demanding the public give you money to find a child you know full well is dead!

Nothing can be ruled out with the gruesome twosome but if they have this little plan in mind, what would an experienced copper think about that! I know because I have met a fair few! That would be their big mistake in 2009, so think again, Kate and Gerry! Oh the Retardos can be called on again if needs be, hummm

Viv xxxxx

dylan said...

Hi Viv,

I didn't notice any mistakes in the first post!!

What they are doing is very transparent to those of us who have a very good idea as to their involvement in M's disappearance. We have all said so many times that all they have done is try to protest their innocence. They haven't actually, ever physically searched for her, except that G said he's checked in the wardrobe. Well bravo Gerry, how very extraordinary of you?! Alas, those that don't read blogs will be taken in, I fear, and fleeced of their money in the process.

I have just made my fudge but found that I've had to "fudge" my fudge as I don't have a sugar thermometer. I've to leave it to cool for a bit and then whip it until it loses its gloss. I have a sneaking feeling that it will end up just like my mum's fudge - toffee! I'll keep you posted :-)

Back in a bit. xx

dylan said...

Oh dear! Just as I suspected - toffee! I couldn't even stir it as it had gone like peanut brittle!!!
I should have followed my instincts and taken it off the boil at the colour I thought it should be, instead of the time the recipe suggested. I've put my pan in soak but I doubt I'll ever get it clean as it's set like concrete!!! :(

I'll try again tomorrow.

Off to watch TV and forget my kitchen disaster. xx

viv said...

Hiya Dillie

Well I think he said they looked under some beds as well didn't he, divan beds!

From my recollection of making things like that, even if they go slightly wrong it still tastes delicious so lucky kids toffee or fudge I am sure they will not bother! My own never did, it was always that is lovely mom. I thought the best was when I passed my driving test, oooh mom drives a lot better now, instant magic, I can do it!


nancy said...

Hi Dylan -

Don't worry about the fudge! Your kids will one day have something to laugh about - the day Mum made toffee which was supposed to be fudge and got stuck to the pan like superglue!

My kids always bring up the time I made a chocolate cake which turned out more like a bar of burned chocolate! I do envy people who can whip up a meal with a few chucked in ingedients.

Cooking is not really my strong point, although I did make a tasty toad in the hole today! Just a fluke though!


I'm a bit like Zoe Wannamaker in 'My Family' most of the time.

Cláudia said...

Hello, all.
Haven't been online much because I have an annoying cold.
I've watched the video with tears in my eyes last night. I thought it was heartbreaking. Madeleine will never proudly show her new pink shoes again because of her incredibly selfish parents. I also couldn't believe they waited one year and a half to release that footage. It should have been made public in the first week. At least if Madeleine had been abducted, of course.
Back to bed! Boa noite!

Viv, Beijinhos!!!!

nancy said...

I saw Kate and Gerry strolling hand in hand on the BBC news earlier and she definitely looks pregnant, although I could be wrong of course! Another mouth to feed maybe, so perhaps that's why they are 'going for gold'!

The BBC said they were still going through the files and being helped by various important members of the police - WHAT!! Can you believe that?

I sometimes think that bringing justice for Madeleine is a seemingly impossible mission!

Is anyone in authority ever going to start thinking how Madeleine has suffered in all this, rather than going on about the poor parents who, after all, brought it on themselves! It was more by luck than judgement that none of the other children left alone disappeared that night!

I can't wait for the next Gerry scam to see what else he has up his sleeve.

I'm going to hit the hay now - see you all tomorrow!


nancy said...

Good night Claudia -

Boa noite and I hope your cold gets better soon! Have a dash of whiskey with your bedtime drink!


dylan said...

Thanks guys! I suppose I will laugh about it too in the morning! I already rang my mum to tell her and she laughed, just as I deserved after scoffing at her attempts all those years ago, yet I soon scoffed what she made ;-) At least hers was edible but I need a hammer for mine!!

Claudia, Hi. It really is heartbreaking, isn't it? I do hope you get well soon. I hate colds and can sympathise since i feel rotten with one too.

Goonight all. Sleep well. xx

viv said...


The twins were born on 1 February 2005. If you look at the picture of them with Maddie at the bottom of the stairs, they can just about walk. IMO, average age for this is about 10 months, that would be around Christmas 2005, not Christmas 2006. Christmas 2006 they would have been almost two, and very clearly they are not in this picture. But was it Christmas at all when this pic was taken? I do not think so. Where are the presents and the Christmas tree? We are told Maddie holds up her new pink shoes, but in fact she holds her shoes up and says these are my shoes, this is typical of what a child this age would say. They are NOT new shoes, take a look at the soles, which are clearly very worn and dirty. I thought that Madeleine just did not look and act like a child just turned three and half in these pictures because she is not, she is more like two and a half. Why do they keep showing odd different pictures on the video? Because they aim to confuse. The only pic we see of Maddie opening presents is one where she very clearly looks like a two year old. She was born on 12 May 2003. So, at Christmas 2005 she would be two years and seven months which if you look at her opening her present is just about right IMO! On the other hand, the twins would have been aged 10 months or a similar age to what they look like on those stairs, I would suggest this may have been after Christmas 2005 when they were approaching their first birthday. Note we do not see any pics of them opening presents, a difficult thing for a baby to do.

SO WHY WOULD THE MCCANNS RELEASE THESE PICTURES NOW? Becuase they have finally found a video they took of her and she looks so cute but it is a terrible lie to suggest that she is approaching four in these pictures! We are told by Jane Tanner she was a very bright little girl. Would you ask a very bright child, aged 3 years and 7 months what colour her shoes were? No, but you would ask a very bright child aged 2 years and 7 months. No wonder they do not want to say anything!

The Portuguese Police asked Kate if it was true she wanted to give Madeleine away, she refused to answer that question. So it must be true, because if not any normal mother would have gone for the police officer! Their response show us a picture of Kate cuddling Maddie when she was a baby before she got the twins. All this manipulation and showing us old pics is so easy to spot, why do they bother!


Lindy123 said...

Hello everyone! I don't seem to have commented for ages but I'm still here with you all.

I felt terribly sad watching the latest video of Madeleine. Such a sweet innocent little girl and how sad that her "parents" put themselves firmly at the top of their priorities and continue to do so to this day.

The appeal was about THEIR second Christmas without Madeleine. It was about helping them to make sure THEY didn't have a third Christmas without her. It should not be about them and their "suffering".

I was angry too that after so long this latest offering from TM included footage that should have been released within days of May 3 2007. It was wasn't released sooner, IMO, because it was part of the long term strategy. Who knows what unseen footage will be released next year and the year after, if they're still free that is.

I also believe that they didn't front the appeal because they are well aware of how more and more people feel about them and their limited company. I don't believe there ever was a sporting hero lined up - who would want to be associated with this scam?

The McCanns cannot risk going in front of any cameras as they may just be asked an awkward question. They cannot hide behind the secrecy of justice any more - they are free to speak and yet they have been struck dumb. They can't even go on camera and speak to their daughter direct. No words of love or comfort to the child they insist has come to no serious harm. If they had appeared or been interviewed then I am sure that it would be obvious to many more people that the abduction is a lie. No matter how much coaching and acting lessons they receive, they will always leak their real selves all over our screens. This is a risk too far for K&G so they continue to hide out of sight.

Mustn't forget the big paypal button.

I sincerely hope that soon there will be justice for Madeleine and the McCanns and their team are stopped. I hope that the fund is investigated and that someone finally tells the truth about what happened on that holiday. It can't be right that a family, any family, "loses" a child and expects to just carry on without penalty.

Case closed and Pt police no longer looking according to the Mcs - I don't think so. That's what they want us all to believe, that only they care and continue to search. Does anyone believe that a case like this is just closed? Of course not.

Sorry for the rant Viv, but I think I'm more peed off than I realised!

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

I can't help but think that the new video where M is talking is being used to try and send a subliminal message to the ignorant public, that M is still alive. It will be used to try to counteract the message/news in GA's book. Get it shown as often as possible before the publication of GA's book. Show it as much as possible when the book is on sale in the UK. Desperate times call for desperate measures in their campaign. Do they honestly think everyone is stupid? Why wait 19 months to show footage of the child you claim is missing. Why wait 19 months to show footage where the child is talking? IMO a talking child gives a better impact against a book that claims the child died on that family holiday. Disgusting people do disgusting things, IMO! Which, imo, just shows they have no intention (or cannot) of suing GA. Roll on 2009, roll on the publishing of GA's book in the UK in 2009 and roll on the aftermath of the publication.


Zodiac said...


I hope you send a big box of your toffee to Pinkie. It might shut him up for a while!

ratonthebeam said...

So the McScums obviously have a digital video camera to shoot home movies.

Why shoot videos of Madeleines first plane ride with a fuzzy, out of focus, poor quality mobile phone camera then?

Why are there no other videos of the holiday, that would show her at a much later point in time when she would be much more recognisable as she is now?

Why did the BBC make such a huge deal out of the fact that Madeleine actually speaks? Have TM been reading the 3As and all the speculation on there that perhaps Madeleine was autistic?

The BBC did not ONCE use the term "abducted", however - just "vanished" or "disappeared". The McScums were also third in the news, after the 20th anniversary of Lockerbie and a serviceman killed in Afghanistan.

The tide is turning. Whether anyone actually has the balls to bring this whole nasty business to a head, is another matter.

Zodiac said...

'Why are there no other videos of the holiday, that would show her at a much later point in time when she would be much more recognisable as she is now?'


I cannot understand why there are no photos or film footage from that family holiday. The child in the video recently released can hardly speak sounds very young. Yet (unless it is a forum myth) we are expected to believe she could read Harry Potter and watched Dr Who.

Zodiac said...


dylan said...

Good morning all,

Hello Lindy, don't worry about the rant, we have all had one over this blatant instrument of a video to put themselves in a good light! It's good to see you post. x


'I hope you send a big box of your toffee to Pinkie. It might shut him up for a while!'
- I only want to shut him, not kill the guy! He's not worth going to prison for ;-)

Hi Rat, you made a good point about no holiday videos. They couldn't be bothered to turn up for the reconstruction so I would have thought a holiday video would have been the next best thing. You, know, jog people's memories etc.,with images of Maddie in the right location and at the age she disappeared? 2 or even 3 year old footage of her is of no use whatsoever if she really was abducted, so the only reason the McCanns have released this, IMO, is to tug on people's heart-strings to illicit more cash and create the feeling that there is no way such loving parents could have been negligent or responsible for a child's disappearance.

I too am looking forward to GAs book and I hope it reaches a very wide audience so that everyone who still harbour doubts about their culpability, may know the truth of the lie.

What happened to Ecolab? Anyone know? Also Atardi and where is Docmac??! It would be nice if they could pop in so that we can wish them a Merry Christmas!


viv said...

Hello Lindy and good to see you back!

There is no rule on here ordering people to post and counting up "post number etc so please do not worry. It is just nice to hear from people whenever they get the chance to post or have something they want to say.

I did not think your post was a rant, it was a really good and heartfelt post and the last bit:

"Does anyone believe that a case like this is just closed? Of course not."

I entirely agree, what a couple of scamsters Kate and Gerry really are is very obvious to us all. You do not need to be a lawyer or a police officer etc to see that, or a probation officer for that matter:-)) Why on earth would the police just give up, homicide files are never closed. With clever killers it might take the police a long time but they get there in the end and they will with the gruesome twosome, I have never had any doubts about that! Serving police officers are not allowed to give an opinion the case but we have a very informed one from Goncalo Amaral! That is good enough for me. He has successfully put one pair of child killers away and he will be instrumental in doing so again, I know he loves children and is determined to do that, for Maddie!


viv said...

Hiya Dillie

Well how could there be a holiday video when we have it from Jane Tanner that K&G never even took them to the beach. If you think about it they never really spent any time with their kids other than when they were forced to. In between the two creche sessions midday and then very sadly for Maddie in between 5.30 and 7.30 prior to dumping them in bed but on 3 May she never even managed to get to bed. Her bed had not been slept in, Gerry states he saw her lying on top of the covers fast asleep exactly the way they left her. So, on a cold night, again, according to Jane Tanner that is how they left her, not even tucked up in bed. That is a lie like so many other blatant lies they have told. She was already dead and the last video they can show to us of her alive, aside from the short clip with Gerry blasting his nasty gob off in the holiday van was Christmas 2005 but they even perpetuate a lie about that. Yes they really make me sick and the know who I am, if they do not like it try suing me!!


viv said...

Oh Eco, Atardi and Doc, I got Bum and Psycho to ban them for me and send them explanatory emails explaining exactly why:-))))

I am sure they will be back!


viv said...

Lol Zodiac


I hope you send a big box of your toffee to Pinkie. It might shut him up for a while!

Well yes, this is focussing on Madeleine but please do not let them suffer another christmas, WTF!! I would like to see them really suffer, just because of what they did!


viv said...

Rat, I do not know about autistic but she certainly looked a bouncy little handful, God Bless Her!


viv said...

Hiya Zodiac

They will not sue Goncalo, or any one of us because they know we would make them stand up in court and answer those questions that they just do not want to answer. No prepared script, no telling the interviewers what they can ask, no smirking when the camera goes off, or they think it has, just court. Fills them with dread!

I cannot wait to buy Goncalo's book in the UK, I think I might publish a pic of me reading it, I am sure the McScums would love that:-))))

Lindy123 said...

Hello all!

How low can the McCanns go? I think this is just sick. Have they bought something suitable for a child who is nearly six?

Maddie's Xmas gifts are lying under the tree


Published: Today
THE parents of missing Madeleine McCann wrestled with their anguish to buy her gifts — on their second Christmas without her.

Kate and Gerry McCann took the heart-wrenching decision as they released a fresh video appeal to find her.

They have wrapped the presents and put them under their tree almost 19 months after Maddie, then three, vanished from their holiday apartment in Portugal.


Last night Clarence Mitchell, the couple’s official spokesman, said there had already been a “very good” response to the new appeal.

What does he mean by that? New sightings and information or more MONEY? This couple should be stopped now.

viv said...

Oh Lindy I need the sick bucket, just how much more do they think the public want to hear from them. As Goncalo says, see above, they need to admit once and for all the child is dead. I am beginning to wonder if they even start to believe themselves and think we are all so wicked! You know I think they do!

I note they do not dare mention that word abduction and neither do the papers, as RAT says the tide is well and truly turning and they only show their pathetic desperation to save themselves, please not another christmas without her! No please not another appeal from Kate and Gerry McScum!

Let poor Madeleine rest in peace and STOP ABUSING HER MEMORY


docmac said...

Hi all

Have been having battery problems here. Just popped in to wish all of you a very merry Christmas and a great new year. JFM!!

docmac said...

Nobody's home? Oh, you all do your Christmas shopping late! 'See' you all in 2009.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Doc. Just got home from the dentist. And I'm npt happy! :-)
Great to see you.
Merry Christmas and a fantastic 2009! May it finally bring JFM!

bath theory said...

My Christmas message for all parents in this world who neglect and emotionally abuse their children...

nice people don't look the other way.

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Everyone,

Forgive me, Viv, for hijacking the thread, but thought I'd pass on the info below to as many people as possible.

This information was passed on to me by a friend of mine who works for the Home Office (no, not Jacqui Smith. What kind of company do you think I keep???) Libs' ex has called up about it and it is indeed legit.

This is especially for all parents who have had kids between 1986-2003. It appears that the government owe us all the sum of £520.

If you do indeed want to claim, you must do so before the closing date - 31st Jan 2009.

Apparently there's no catch - higher tax rate payers are eligible too.

Here's a summary:

Information for Parents

Unclaimed Children's Tax Allowance for 2002/03

The year before Tax Credits were introduced there was a different non-means tested allowance available which was never advertised by the Inland Revenue.

It is called the Children's Tax Allowance for the Year 2002/03.

You can still claim this tax allowance before the 31 January 2009 deadline.

You need to phone your tax office and ask them to check whether you have already received this allowance and, if not, enquire as to what action you need to take.

You are eligible to claim £520 allowance if:

a.. You have a child born between 6 April 1986 and 5 April 2003
b.. The child lived with you for all or part of 2002/2003
c.. You worked and paid tax for all or part of 2002/2003
d.. You or your partner earned £6,000 plus in the 2002/2003 tax year

You are eligible for the £1,040 allowance if:

a.. If you can answer yes to the four questions above, and
b.. One of your children was born between 6 April 2002 and 5 April 2003.


a.. Making a claim does not affect your current or future entitlement to Working or Child Tax credits
b.. Your Marital status is irrelevant
c.. You cannot claim the allowance twice and if your final tax code on your April 2003 P60 ended in an H or a T, you have already had the allowance.
d.. This is an easy claim for you to make so do not get duped into paying someone to do it for you because they are likely to charge a large percentage for their services.

All you have to do is fill in this form & return it http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/forms/11ctc.pdf


viv said...

Thanks for that excellent piece of information LGC which is being passed on to my middle son, Neville, who has four little girls, two born in that era, PDQ!


Doc Helloooooooooo

viv said...

Claudia darling I am sorry you had such a horrid day and confess I am terrified of dentists and would rather face the reconstructive surgery to my ankle again!

For the first time ever I know I have a hole in one of my teeth at the back and am just frightened to go but I will follow your lead and do the right thing in the New Year, you have given me the strength:-)))


Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv.
Don't worry. It doesn't hurt at all. I didn't feel a thing. I was not happy because half my face was numb and it took more than 5 hours to get to normal. But absolutely no pain. You can stop being afraid of dentists. You don't even feel the sting from the anaesthetic anymore because they have a numbing spray/gel. All painless. :-)

LittleGreyCell said...

You're very welcome, Viv!

Never trust the Government to tell the citizens about their rights, especially when it involves them distributing money...



dylan said...

Good evening all,

Hi Docmac, glad you are still with us! Damn these new fangled lap top battery thingies eh?! Merry Christmas & a happy new year to you too. xxx

LGC, thank you! I can definitely answer yes to two of those and possibly a third if you count teacher training bursary as earnings. Do you know if all four have to be ticked?

Lindy, the presents under the tree thing is revolting. How could they? Then again, judging by what they have already done I can well imagine it would not have affected their consciences that much.

Viv, I hadn't noticed Goncalo's response before. Have you put that up very recently? I read that CM asked him for a response to the Christmas campaign - is this true?? Why would he do that? If he did I think that he asked him in a smug 'well what do you think of that then?' kinda way. Ew!

I've had a busy night with four adults and eight kids over. Have only just finished clearing up and sat down. Still full of cold and exhausted so I think I will venture up the wooden hill now!
PS. Fudge came out a treat today and laura has smuggled what was left of it away so she can have it all to herself, the little toe rag!

Goodnight all - two days and counting! xxxxxxx

viv said...

OK Hun

Coming to Portugal to get it sorted:-)))

BTW I cannot see the pics on your latest email, is it something wrong with my comp or can you resend? xxxxxx

"You don't even feel the sting from the anaesthetic anymore because they have a numbing spray/gel. All painless. :"

dylan said...


You have mail! Thought I'd have a play around with something in Word before I went to bed and I can't believe it's taken me nearly an hour!

Really off to bed now!! Nite. xx

hope4truth said...


Just followed the link to GAs comment I wonder when he will be sued for saying they must admit she is dead?

This paragraph got me...... In this video, the couple opted not to appear in the film. According to the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, Kate and Gerry didn’t want to appear in order not to influence the viewing of the video and because it “speaks for itself”.

Yes it does speak for itself it shows a snapshot of a lovely 2 and a half year old little girl with her baby siblings and they are all really cute and lovely....

But we alerady know Madeleine was beautiful and cute and the twins who's faces were all over the news (for the same purpose no doubt to sell the lovely image) when in all honesty if my child was missing I would be angry if someone put my other children in danger by showing their faces....

The video does speak for itself it shows they had more very clear footage of Madeleine with her speaking and 19 months ago when she would have looked more like the video may have been really useful in fact it once again confirms to me they know exactly where she is as if she really was missing it would have been all over the news...

So yes they are trying to put the idea into peoples minds she is missing and if she really was they would have used some of the fund money to have her image aged to what she would have looked like at 5 and a half as she will have changed so much in 3 years...

All children are beautiful and not a single one deserves to be neglected but one of the things that smacks me in the face when watching it is here are 3 well behaved small children who have the cute factor the charm factor and if they were mine I would swell with love for them all... So how could Gerry and Kate McCann leave them home alone in an unlocked apartment night after night while they went to a bar?

This video asks that they should not spend another Christmas without her and for people to help bring her home. Well maybe Kate should take head and answer some questions for her beautiful daughter. I know she could not be bothered to look for her (as she knew she had been taken) how she knew this is beyond me (unless she knew exactly what had happend)so maybe if she really is missing they should get the Happy Tapas together in one room and make them all watch it...

Then ask each one of them why Madeleine was so unimpotant to them that they refused to go back to do a reconstruction, Kate refused to answer a single question, they would not hand over thier phone records and ran from PDL the first chance they got (or when they realised that their story was full of holes)...

The public cant help unless they were there but the 9 of you can and if your family knows you are lying all I can say is they dont think much of the Twins because the Cadaver evidence alone is chilling...

God bless Madeleine and all neglected and abused children... May they all get justice one day..

ratonthebeam said...

Hey, this blog is a revelation - I'm away for a day and I can come back to learn all about painless dentists and how to get a gratis £520 off El Gordo! Thanks guys!

Xanukkah Sameach to Little Grey Cell and Janz (and everyone else!)

The McScums really are something else, eh - and on re-watching the video, it looks like it's been done with Movie Maker. No expense spent. Well, it's only Margaret, after all. Let the video speak for itself, and it howls, cheap and nasty and no effort put into it at all. No surprises there, then.

My Christmas wish is that the whole bloody lot of them rot in hell forever for what they have done; robbed their own lovely, innocent wee girl of all of her Christmases.

If there is any justice at all then next year's Christmas Dinner is gonna get served on a tin pan, in the nick.

dylan said...

Good morning Rat and Hope!

I find the GA comment most interesting because it is said that CM asked him for a comment. Was this CM going for the one-upmanship ploy? Ie. the very childish and petulent way that kids do when they think they have got one over on someone. If so, GA has very bravely and calmly stuck to his guns - good for him!

The video isn't veru cutting-edge is it Rat? - I agree. No sign of their 'sports personality' either. The McCanns are really going for the sympathy vote but losing public sympathy rapidly! I was at a friend's house when the campaign video came on. I've never really talked about the case with her, so she doesn't know about this blog. She just tutted and changed the channel. When I asked her why, she said that she was fed up of the McCanns! I didn't press her any further as I didn't think it warranted any further enquiry!!!

Rat or LGC, shamefully, I don't know anything about Hannukah, could somebody explain?

Off out now to get my last two presents. The city was dreadful yesterday and I'm sure it will be worse today :-(

BFN. xx

ratonthebeam said...

Even the usually sycopantic McMail seems to have changed it's tune - only four comments?! Not even front page now, either - I had to do a search to even find it. Oh, how times have changed! Long may it continue!

viv said...

Hiya Hope, great post!

I think anyone who watches the video would think the same thing, what gorgeous little children playing together at the bottom of the stairs. How could you go on holiday and just dump them day and night, it really does bring a lump to your throat!

By using an old video as they have did it even occur to them it would just make matters worse? People are going to look at this and think just how could you. What they never seem to realise is people do not have to believe they killed Madeleine to dislike them intensely, when you look at those gorgeous children they chose to habitually leave alone and otherwise neglect by not even playing with them on holiday, they paid someone else to do it! What normal parent would not want to be bothered with these three little lovelies on holiday, I just cannot imagine.

There is no good PR for Kate and Gerry McCann, especially when it is offered by someone who is argumentative and obnoxious! Have you ever checked out the body language of Clarence when he is being interviewed. If I needed some PR he would not be my choice!!Maybe that is why we just get his gob these days and not him personally! Did Kate and Gerry sack him and then beg him to come back, oh please no one likes us, no one will help us, and the public do not hate you quite as much as us!

Dilly, lol and I have responded trying to squash a certain person into the box, but he did not want to go! but it did carry a health warning after all..


Di said...

Good afternoon everyone.

Sorry I have not been around lately, I have been so busy with visitors & shopping but have tried to catch up reading.

Many great posts as usual, I have nothing to add to what you have all said about the video. I was as shocked as you that this had been kept back until now.

I wonder if next Christmas we will have the privilege of seeing the PDL holiday snaps of Maddie, as I am sure they must have taken several, and not just the one at the tennis courts, I dismiss out of hand the supposed last picture by the pool.

Hope you are all now feeling better.

ratonthebeam said...

Look at the Mail page I linked to... and the captions under the pictures. "Madeleine teaches the wee ones... Madeleine supervises the wee ones..." All that is actually missing is "Madeleine babysits the wee ones every night to let her parents go to the pub." The more I think about it, the more disgusted I get. Hopefully other people are starting to see it now too.

viv said...

Hiya Rat,

lol, the McMail. I wonder how they feel printing such lies, she is three and disappeared five months later, just who are they trying to kid! In the pink fair outfit she is quite obviously just turned two given one of the twins is crawling on the floor! Oh and the bit about the new shoes, firstly the twins have them, she takes them back saying these are my shoes and NEW words absolutely fail me, they look to me like they should be in the bin!

Yes McMail!


Di said...

Hi Viv

I hope everything is going well at home and you are finally straight.

I myself wonder why Clarence is back on the scene as it was reported he had moved on.

I may have remembered incorrectly, but was it not Gerry who wanted everything to quieten down and they were not going to keep such a high profile.

viv said...

Well just four responses and I make that 75:25, was it really worth codging those old images together for and I wonder how much this cost the Fund! Still at least they did not have to pay for Beckham, no, he would have done it for free if they were genuine!

OMG the one who still believes Maddie is coming home is called Mark, did we hear that name before!! Since when did getting people to post on newspapers keep you out the nick, the McCanns need to start looking reality in the face, because a judge will!

Here's what readers have had to say so far. Why not add your thoughts below?

absolutely heartbreaking ,, i see all the beauty and innocence that i see every day in my own daughter
of allmost the same age , god is with you and will bring you home safely honey.
Click to rate Rating 32

- mark fox, bristol england, 21/12/2008 23:21

It is a sad story, but they need to move on.
Click to rate Rating 5

- sam, bristol, uk, 22/12/2008 5:58

I thought it was about time we heard from the McCanns again, they have been very quite for a few weeks. When will we hear the last of them I wonder?
Click to rate Rating 39

- Bob, Soi Yodsak, Pattaya City, Thailand., 22/12/2008 7:08

This should have been shown earlier !
Click to rate Rating 58

ratonthebeam said...

Viv, that was my first thought about the shoes too - maybe they came from a charity shop or something, the soles are well worn!!! They sure ain't brand new from a shoebox!

viv said...

Hiya Di,

Well I would not say we are exactly straight but it is certainly good enough to entertain our guests. Luke is procrastinating about putting a heavy oak mirror on the wall, I must go and work on him! Maybe I could even help!


viv said...

Madeleine supervises the wee ones..

RAT Clarence has always previously reported on murder cases including the Wests who killed their own child. Is there any difference here and what is his agenda?

Di said...

Hi Rat

I guess we should be grateful they don't use the word abducted!

I remember on 3A's a while back, I think it may have been a post from Slopping Out who said he was a journalist. It went something like, be patient in early new year we are going to see a big change in the way the newspapers report. Of course he was jumped on immediately and all went quiet. I am not sure if he has posted again, but I do hope he knows something we don't.

hope4truth said...

Just read this on the Daily Mirror not sure who wrote it?...

Maddy shows us true face of Christmas hope 23/12/2008

HOPE and forgiveness. Those twin virtues have come to represent what Christmas is really about.

And can there be anyone with more hope in their hearts than Kate and Gerry McCann, who this week released a previously unseen video of missing daughter Maddy?

In the 19 months since she disappeared from a holiday apartment in Portugal's Praia da Luz, the image of this perfect little blonde girl has haunted us all.

For reasons any parent must understand, the McCanns held back images so precious they felt unable to share them.

Till now - when desperation to find her leaves them with no choice but to ensure she mustn't become a memory, a faded headline consigned to history.

So Maddy's cute irresistible, scrunched-up smile has crashed into our comfort zones like an Exocet missile exploding the myth this is the season to be jolly.

I wonder how often Kate has watched those pictures of her daughter twirling around in a fairy dress and showing off her pink shoes - special girlie presents from Santa.


What mother could resist? Even if it makes the daily suffering of not being able to feel the warmth of your child's body unbearable.

Taken two years ago, the video recalls another story. Not one of chilling loss but of a couple enjoying the happy innocence of their eldest bossily demanding her younger brother and sister clap for the camera.

The very idea that these images and Maddy's whoops of delight might one day be broadcast to the nation must still catch Kate and Gerry short.

They were, after all, only doing what millions of mothers and fathers do, capturing on film a Christmas they've worked so hard to make magical.

The same cameo will be played out all over Britain on Thursday as homes are filled with the uniquely comforting smell of a turkey roasting in the oven amid piles of discarded wrapping paper and the buzz of excited kids.

However cynical we may have become, Christmas is the one day when all bets are off. It is special. And that's what makes the Maddy video so deeply moving.

It tells us how once upon a time the McCanns were a totally unassuming unit, like any other - not a family delivered into the living nightmare of losing their child to an unknown fate.

It's also a reminder that while they may have been out of sight the agony goes on. Some days it may come as a dull ache at other times an excrutiating pain for which there is no cure. Meanwhile they must concentrate on their two other children who need attention, love and routine.

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How the McCanns deal with that while trying to live with the hole once filled by exuberant Maddy is summed up in one word - hope.

Whether their passionate belief that she is out there and can be found is based on faith or the mysterious strength of a mother's love and intuition we only can guess.

But if the McCanns have not sunk into despair then nor should we.

Last Christmas the nation prayed for a miracle to bring home the beautiful blonde girl we felt we all knew.

This year we know her a little better, and the longing to see her back where she belongs is even more acute. If all we can do is pray, let's do it again. If not just for Maddy, then for hope itself


I did not copy the forgivness part as it was not about the McCann's..

Whoever wrote this is bloody strange they write that the precious video held back by the McCanns as all parents must understand... Well NO actually if my child were missing and I was asked for pictures and videos every scrap I had that was relevent would be on TV...

I would not wait 19 months to show old footage that will look nothing like her now?

This so called journalist talks about Hope and hwo her parents hold on to it?

TO whoever wrote such rubbish Madeleine had Hope Hope that her parents would return to her when she was crying for them and even after she told them she had been crying they reacted by dumping her again..

Have you not read the Cadavar evidence do you not find it is strange a mother refuses to answer a single question for her missing child?

You must have seen how happy they both were a few days later and many times since...

If you have been told not to write anything negative then why help a couple of child neglectors who have never helped thier daughter even by looking for her in the minutes after she disapeared?

As for forgivness what ever happend to Madeleine I wonder if she would ever forgive either of them for allowing a Peadophile to take her as they were not where she should have been for her father calling her Margrat or for having to listen to him repeateldy saying she had come to no harm (because if she is with a peadophile ring the harm will be chilling and unbearable)as for her Mother not a single answer for her...

Can you imagine if she is still alive and can see a TV how would she feel watching them laughing and having a good time when she was in hell???

Finaly if she is dead by their hand or accident ask yourself if it was an accident what have they got to hide we know they neglected her and if something more evil happend do you think she would forgive that?

hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

Merry Christmas I have to go and do some work but must admit I feel far to festive to be doing anything serious....

The Mirror article leaves me confused if Madeleine was killed by her parents and all of their lies were a cover up to save their own skin is that ok as they deserve forgivness?


viv said...

Hope I can understand you getting upset by this piece of Oh My God the public are not taking it, let's write some more garbage, particularly

"For reasons any parent must understand, the McCanns held back images so precious they felt unable to share them."

You almost need to do a double take, the McCanns held back images given they have plastered their three children, two of whom hopefully will get to grow up all over the internet!

Di, thanks for the bit from the reporter which is very interesting. I think many of us are sensing that 2009 will be the McCanns ACTUAL annus horriblis as the Queen would put it! I think it is highly pertinent they no longer say she was abducted, then what did happen to her!

viv said...


I wish everyone who supports Justice and love for children a brilliant Christmas and I know we will all have one.

As for those who choose to neglect all three of their children and kill one of them, if I were in their shoes I certainly would not be demanding to be forgiven for such a heinous and imcomprehensible crime against my own children, thankfully we are very different to them, we are normal and just love our kids and would do anything for them, within reason!


viv said...

The McCanns would have taken part in compiling the press release to go with those videos, montage of pictures in which they are telling a pack of lies about Maddie's age and her new shoes, this is fundamental!

They cannot tell the truth about the most minor of details it is all lies and spin!


Cláudia said...

Hi, all.

Just wanted to wish you all a very Happy Christmas. Doc texted me and asked me to also pass on his good wishes to all of you, in case he can't post again before Christmas.
Leaving tomorrow morning, very early. Back to cooking!

Viv, beijinhos, querida!

ratonthebeam said...

Claudia, I didn't get the pictures in your Christmas email, can you please send it again? Thanks. rat xxx

docmac said...

Hi Rat

Merry passover or whatever to you and the Little Grey number with the penguin! I did not get them either, so don't feel left out :-)

Cláudia said...

Sorry, guys!
Apparently I was the only one able to see the pictures. Which is a shame because they were very cool. :-)

Merry Christmas or whatever one celebrates! :-)
Cooking, cooking, cooking!

Wizard said...

An abduction and what we are asked to believe.

At 8.30pm on the 3rd May the McCanns left their children alone with the patio doors of their holiday apartment shut but not locked. We are told by the them that Madeleine and her brother and sister were well and fast asleep. At just after 9.00 pm Gerry returns to the apartment to check on the children and finds all well and returns to the Tapis Bar. When he leaves someone is waiting to snatch one of his children who they know the McCanns leave alone night after night. They also know the patio doors are left unlocked and enter through them. They have a choice of three children to pick from but they choose the eldest Madeleine the more difficult to carry. They apparently remove her from the apartment without waking her or causing her to raise a whimper let alone scream.

Madeleine would be too young for most paedophiles so can we conclude it wasn’t a paedophile? If it was someone who just wanted a child it makes sense to take one of the twins but they choose the eldest – why? They leave the apartment by the front door and slip out into the night never to be seen again. They leave no trace evidence and seem to be in the know about the coming and goings of the McCanns.

We have the sniffer dogs picking up the scent of eau de corpse in the apartment and the car used by her family. The dogs also find unexplained blood splatter behind the settee in the sitting room and of course Madeleine is the only person missing from the apartment.

It’s not rocket science to draw a conclusion. Early on in this case Kate is alleged to have said that people dislike her because she doesn't have a motherly figure - she doesn’t have a big bosom. I think Kate is wrong because as far as I’m concerned, she and her husband for that matter, have more front that Brighton as we all can see from their latest fund raising video initiative.

In this season of goodwill am I being vitriolic? I don’t think so - just facing the grim reality of this case and not indulging in flights of fancy.

dylan said...

Well said Wizard. I don't think that was vitriol at all. Just what you think & I second that!

I reckon the Christmas spirit has bypassed some today. I was first in a bus queue and when the bus turned up, a family with two kids pushed in front of me. That was fine by me as I'm not the type to begrudge kids in front of me. However, I spotted a man behind me with young boys and gestured to let him go in front of me and he just walked past me without a word of thanks as though I wasn't even there!

That one act has left me feeling a bit miserable and withdrawn but I know I'll cheer up tomorrow! I'm taking the kids out to lunch and may go ice skating too if I feel brave enough! :-)

Happy eve of Chrismas eve, all. xxxx

viv said...

Hiya Wizard

Good post and I certainly agree they are not lacking in front.

I just had a look to see whether the purples are commenting on this "new" christmas video. They have not included it on their blog but there are a few comments. I can now understand completely why they believe Kate and Gerry McCann, because they are so stupid they think Madeleine is nearly four in that pink fairy outfit. Why do they think that? Because the McCanns said so. Educated sensible people obviously notice the twin crawling on the floor, but it would seem they do not even have the wit for that! If these are the people who still believe in Kate and Gerry it does not really count for much, does it! They are to be pitied really for being so gullible and stupid:-))))


Love Vivxx

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Re: A new video has been released of Madeleine

Post by dianeh on Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:42 pm

I think that why Madeleine looks so different is because she grew so much in those few months from Xmas to when she was abducted. She was still babyish at Xmas, but by May, she had grown taller, much more like a big girl.

I see it in my daughter as well. She is such a little lady now, where as 6 months ago, she was still more baby than lady. She has grown taller and her face has gotten thinner. My daughter's legs also seem to be much longer.

But Madeleine is a real cutie, and always was. Just look at the pictures of her as a baby, just beautiful.
Madeleine, we wont forget about you.

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Re: A new video has been released of Madeleine

Post by clairesy on Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:26 pm
ive watched the video again.Its the clip where she is in the pink fairy outfit that looks soo different. Of course i can see this is Madeleine now, but god if i saw this child in that pink outfit somewhere i wouldn't have known. The other footage and pics look like Madeleine but i think thats mainly because she wears clothes that we have previously seen her in in photographs.

god this video needs to be out there all over the world.I wish this was done before.I wish that more photos of her were published ..and more video footage of her was seen in the early days. A photo does not allow people to see the real Madeleine..Lets hope and prey that this video will encourage more sightings of Madeleine.A positive one to.

Cláudia said...

Merry Christmas, guys!
Leaving very early in the morning!
Read you all soon!

hope4truth said...


What odd comments from the Gerry and Kate fan club?

yes Madeleine does look so cute dosent she these pictures should be out there but 19 months later is a bit bloody late she will look totally diffrent now as you said yourself your own daughter has changed in a few months...

Madeleine was 2 and a half in that video the twins could not walk and they held on to it? Why if she really was missing would they hold on to a single video or picture?

You are a strange bunch of people you go on and on about how sweet cute and beautiful she was and worship the parents who did not see that and neglected her and with the evidence from the dogs probebly are responsible in some way for her death...

Think about Madeleine she is all that matters her parents can sort themselves out...

hope4truth said...

Merry Christmas Claudia

Have a lovely time xxx

Cláudia said...

Merry Christmas, all!
Be back soon!

nancy said...

Hello Viv -

Thanks for that very interesting thread which must give all who read it food for thought, but there's none so blind as those who don't want to see!

Anyone with half a brain can see that the children in the photo with the shoes showed them a year younger than the McCanns would have us believe. But why would they want to pretend it was Christmas 2006 - I just don't get that!

It certainly brings a lump to the throat to actually hear Maddie speaking after all this time of trying to imagine just what happened to her that night.

What a pair of lily livered parents those children have. They don't even have the courage to come out and speak on the video to Maddie themselves and send her out a Christmas message of love to wherever they are trying to convince the public they believe her to be. That speaks volumes.

And of course this video has been made to try and discredit GA's book. I just hope it's published in England very soon.

I echo your sentiments to Goncalo Amaral, the police involved in this case in both countries, and everyone who is trying to find Justice for Madeleine - may their efforts come to fruition in 2009.



Nancy xx