13 Jun 2008

5 MEPS HAPPY TO USE MCCCANNS


Hi All,



Kate and Gerry McCann's visit to Brussels to call for a US-style Amber Alert for missing children was sponsored by Edward McMillan-Scott (seen here with the McCann's and spokesman Clarence Mitchell at a Press conference)
Edward McMillan-Scott MEP is also Vice-president of the European Parliament, now he is taking the gruesome twosome to Strasbourg with him. In the report below from SOS Maddie it can be seen that four other MEP's have put their name to this and used Kate and Gerry McCann as figureheads to seek to push forward their political will. It is also true to say of course Kate and Gerry use them. You scratch my back and I will scratch yours.

As early as June 2007 Gerry was saying he wanted to push forward with the wider political issues involved in Madeleine's disappearance during a visit to the States where he was already becoming involved in the Amber Alert campaign to rescue genuinely abducted children.

I found it very shocking that he was interested in looking at wider political issues rather than concentrating on finding his own daugher, only a month after she disappeared (and I still do, altogether just too contrived).

Since that time we have of course had further similar comments from the McCanns, particularly Gerry, about all the work that had gone on behind the scenes to push forward this message. In spite the comment in the SOS Maddie report below, there is no evidence whatsoever that these five MEP's have the backing of the British Government, did they forget Mr McMillan Scot is a Conservative!

It will be seen the McCanns could not and did not take part in drafting the statement to MEP's they merely got taken along by McMillan Scot and several MEPs have expressed their disgust at his conduct in using a couple clearly suspected of actually being involved of the disappearance of their own daughter. I believe he is seriously abusing his power as Vice President of the European Parliament. So often, we have seen conservative members of parliament act with a complete lack of decency and integrity. I denounce McMillan Scot as just another, Archer, Aitken or Hamilton.

How could he behave in such a publically distasteful manner by continuing to allow the McCanns to become involved in this, merely in a self-serving way by attempting to show they won, they got this through. Even if it does go through it is nothing to do with the McCanns, it has been proposed for years, but what a political cous for them, by so publically putting themselves behind it.

So much for the British Government being behind either this campaign or the McCanns, I think it was very pointed indeed that they refused to take part in the mock use of the Amber Alert system. Clearly having the nous to realise that they would have also been endorsing Kate and Gerry McCann, something they cannot and clearly will not do.

At the same time it must be remembered they cannot publically denounce them either. The McCanns are entitled to a fair trial and any denouncement of them by our government would enable them to successfully complain they could not get a fair trial because even the UK government already pronounced against them. The fundamental rule of law is that everyone is entitled to be considered innocent until proven guilty, our government are clearly not going to damage the chances of the McCanns being found guilty by allowing them to successfully claim a breach by our government of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights, the right to a fair trial. It is a fundamental tenet of law that organs of the State must not pre-judge the case against an accused person and our own government are clearly not going to do that and allow them then to complain of this and get away with it. Please remember that folks. It is the same with the Social Services really, had the twins been removed from their care, then it could have been said a decision had been taken they were guilty before they even got tried.

SHAME ON YOU EDWARD MCMILLAN SCOTT - I HOPE YOU GET DRUMMED OUT OF YOUR HIGH OFFICE FOR YOUR DISREPUTABLE BEHAVIOUR IN USING A COUPLE WHO THE POLICE CLEARLY BELIEVE ON THE BASIS OF REASONABLE EVIDENCE KILLED THEIR OWN LITTLE GIRL

As to the other four, this clearly does not imply backing by UK Labour government at all, only one of them is even Labour, two not even from UK, and to all of them I say, hang your heads in shame, there are far more eloquent ways in which to push forward a political goal than using a couple of serious child abusers:

The declaration has been backed by five MEPs - Edward McMillan-Scott MEP (Conservative, England), Diana Wallis MEP (Liberal Democrat, England), Roberta Angelilli MEP (Italy), Glenys Kinnock MEP (Labour, Wales) and Evelyne Gebhardt MEP (Germany).


Viv x




13.06.2008
Kate and Gerry McCann have confirmed this afternoon that they will make the trip next Tuesday, the European Parliament in Strasbourg or authors of a declaration calling for the creation of a European warning system for Children will try to persuade 182 MPs to sign the document.
The McCann played no role in drafting the statement - an initiative of five parliamentarians - but the couple had made its submission to Brussels, despite protests from several MPs.
The document adds nothing new to the intentions of Parliament or the creation of a European warning system is under consideration for several years.

France, which took the rotating presidency in July, regardless of the statement made in Brussels on April 10, had already made known its intention to approve a European system similar to that which exists in France.

"Until now we have 211 signatures and we need the signature of 393 MEPs, a simple majority in Parliament," said spokeswoman Kate and Gerry McCann, Clarence Mitchell.

The couple had planned to meet in private, several MEPs before concluding his day with the usual press conference.

Introduced to Parliament by the Conservative Edward McMillan-Scott, vice-president of Parliament, Gerry and Kate McCann, arguidos in investigating the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, had already been heavily criticised in Brussels by several parliamentarians, deeming it inappropriate visit the couple.

Recently, the couple had found a way not to make the trip to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of events surrounding the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, as the Portuguese authorities had demanded.

The McCanns are there for nothing

The statement originally submitted on April 10 at the European Parliament in Brussels was not prepared or suggested by McCann but the couple, with the support of the British Government, the parents of Madeleine have won the right to join despite their arguidos status in Portugal.

Edward McMillan-Scott, Roberta Angelilli, Glenys Kinnock, Evelyne Gebhardt, and Diana Wallis are the five MEPs on the origin of the document which proposes emergency cooperation between the member states of the European Union to find missing children.

The document calls on Member States to conclude cooperation agreements with all the border states in order to give itself the means to launch early warning in the territories concerned.

Despite the importance of the guidelines proposed by the document, it is still far from an agreement among all member states.

Yesterday, France - a country where the device Abduction Alert has already done this evidence - organized a mock abduction in collaboration with Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.

The exercise was conclusive and allowed four organizers to test their reaction, but also working with the media.
The United Kingdom, invited, chose not to participate.
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis

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viv said...

Hi All, I was just reading the blog back in March, when one of our Portuguese posters, posted an article from Diario Noticias, clearly referring to abduction and murder..subsequent concealment of corpse.

Clearly the investigation has always had the same hypothesis as to what happened to Madeleine at the hands of her parents with possible involvement of Murat, but this does seem to imply that she was taken somewhere and then murdered...ODD! The only thing I can tie this in with is the report of the taxi driver as I have mentioned before, but Claudia says this man was not believed.

mtoosad said...
Hi Viv
Today is a very sad day particulary to Mary Luz parents. She is with the angels now.
I found this article in Portugal Diario that you may find interesting:
http://www.portugaldiario.iol.pt/noticia.php?id=925112

Google translation

Dozens of people, among friends of McCann, tourists and former officials of the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, will be surveyed over the next few days in England.

According to information collected by PortugalDiário, the investigation was requested by the Portuguese authorities through letters rogatory and will be met by British police over the coming weeks.

Apart from interrogations, which should not include the couple McCann, it will still be complied with the search warrant, in order, inter alia, to the seizure of the diary of Kate McCann, the mother of the minor disappeared, May 3 last year, described the relationship with their children.

Maddie: Portuguese and English police met
Parents of Maddie gratified by Portuguese

The steps will be met by British authorities but count with the presence of Portuguese researchers.

"Testimonials divergent and collection of new information"

The eight friends of Kate and Gerry, who passed vacation in Praia da Luz, last May, and other British tourists who were, a pair of former officials of the venture will be reporting on steps aimed essentially determine possible different testimonies and gather new information.

Also according to information collected by PortugalDiário, the process simply no longer be covered by the secrecy of justice, after the full implementation of the investigation.

It is recalled that at the beginning of the year, the prosecutor asked the investigating judge, and this granted, the extension of the secrecy of justice for a further three months. The prosecutor relied on the exceptional complexity of the case.

Abduction, murder and concealment of corpse

Under the law, after eight months on the formation of the first defendant in the case, the Portuguese-British Robert Murata (May 14), the prosecutor should file the case or inferred accusation. Do not having done until January 14, the prosecutor had to request the extension of the period for another three months.

This request of the prosecutor to prohibit the access of parties and the public to the proceeding may be postponed for a maximum period of three months, renewable once by [particularly in crimes against the life and liberty of the people], for a period objectively indispensable the conclusion of the investigation.

It should be noted that throughout the process the thesis of abduction and murder and subsequent concealment of corpses have been addressed.

Besides Murat, also parents of Maddie, Kate and Gerry, consisted defendants in September, for suspected involvement in the disappearance of the minor.

Madeleine McCann, four years old, disappeared May 3 to an apartment in a resort in Praia da Luz, while parents jantavam a restaurant, a few metres away.

viv said...

A view of McMillan-Scots webpage and other documents demonstrates that his main concern is the number of parental abductions across states and he is pictured backing parents who did a charity walk. He also claims that Shannon could have been found far more quickly had a US style alert sytem been immediately implemented. He does not go on to explain exactly how.

Neither does his webpage seek to explain why he is using Kate and Gerry McCann, but it is interesting he is so concerned about disputes between parents and sees this as a problem he has apparently focussed on for many years. There is something very odd about this man, IMO, when he is bleating on about childrens rights but uses a couple of self-professed child neglectors.

http://www.emcmillanscott.com/

viv said...

I have sent the following email to Mr McMillen-Scots secretary and would invite others who feel the same way, to do the same:


jeansearle8@btinternet.com

Hello,

I wish to register my concern that Mr McMillen-Scot has taken this couple to Brussels to make a presentation concerning the Amber Alert scheme and it is further proposed they visit the Strasbourg parliament.

I understand that five MEP's, including Mr McMillen-Scot wish to pursue the introduction of such a scheme but cannot understand why they use a couple who, on their own admission, left tiny children alone, in their holiday apartment every single night. The evidence we hear would tend to suggest they never even made regular checks to see if they were OK and they are of course being investigated for homicide of Madeleine and disposal of her corpse.

I believe the course adopted in so publically supporting this couple sends the wrong signal about protection of childrens's rights which Mr McMillen-Scot claims he supports. United Nations figures confirm that life for children in the UK is the most miserable in terms of neglect and abuse of any civilised country in the world. There is barely a week goes by before there is yet another story of children dieing following horrific neglect and abuse. As a Vice-President of the EU Parliament and MEP I believe Mr McMillen-Scot should set a better example and be clear that abuse and neglect of children is wrong in whatever form it may take. I also believe he should be seen to be supporting the police in both Portugal and UK who are, quite properly, pursuing this couple. In my view his actions set childrens rights back dramatically by so publically courting and supporting Kate and Gerry McCann and I believe their use is an improper way to pursue political aims and aspirations given they are arguidos suspected of horrific child abuse.

viv said...

From The TimesJune 13, 2008

Former policeman is arrested in Jersey children's home abuse inquiryHome Staff
A former policeman was arrested in connection with an abuse investigation at a former children's home on Jersey.

The 50-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of “serious crimes” at the Haut de la Garenne home and elsewhere in Jersey. A police spokeswoman would not say what the crimes were or confirm the man's identity. It is understood that he is a former officer with the Jersey force who worked as a volunteer at the home before leaving the police to work with the island children's service.

The spokeswoman said: “A number of searches are also being carried out in connection with this arrest and the historical abuse inquiry today.”

So far 26 teeth have been found in a search of cellars at the property and one was located in a cistern in the courtyard. Police said tests on the teeth revealed that most were “very unlikely to have come out naturally before death”. They have also recovered at least 30 charred human bone fragments. Tests have found that some had been cut while others had been burnt.

Related Links
Tougher register after Jersey abuse case
Third person charged in Haut de la Garenne case
There are more than 40 suspects. Three men have been charged with sexual abuse offences.

marga said...

Viv,

congratulations for the excellent thread and the e-mail.

To be honest I was glad to know that the Lisbon treaty was rejected by the Irish and the way Sócrates and Barroso were defeated.

Their involvement in this case has also disappointed many Portuguese and if this EDWARD MCMILLAN SCOTT is vice president of the European Parliament ,I'm led to believe he has been given the green light to take the MC$$s to Brussels also with Barroso's approval.

So allow me to use you words referring to a Portuguese who is closing his eyes to the fact they were made suspects of a crime in the country where citizens support police investigations with their taxes. The same citizens who vote to have politicians representing them in places where they should show respect for their institutions, integrity and moral values.

I know this has been proven to be impossible to reach. However, we all have the duty to report violation of what is right and raise our voice when facing injustice.

SHAME ON YOU DURÃO BARROSO- I HOPE YOU GET DRUMMED OUT OF YOUR HIGH OFFICE FOR YOUR DISREPUTABLE BEHAVIOUR IN USING A COUPLE WHO THE POLICE CLEARLY BELIEVE ON THE BASIS OF REASONABLE EVIDENCE KILLED THEIR OWN LITTLE GIRL

marga said...

Viv,
thanks for the link to Scott's homepage. I'm still reading through it.
Is it impossible to think he could be the 10th Tapa?

hope4truth said...

Morning

"He also claims that Shannon could have been found far more quickly had a US style alert sytem been immediately implemented. He does not go on to explain exactly how."

Your comment above from your 03.09 post is crazy...

How the hell would Amber Alert have helped find Shannon? The whole country knew she was missing knew exactly what she looked like and in the area that she lived local people were all out looking for her.

Amber Alert has nothing to do with the McCanns lets face it they want to get her face out there quickly so people can look out for her (I think I have that right) yet when she goes missing they dont search for her themselves and spend the evening on the phone letting everyone know that she has been taken by an abdcutor who came in through the window.

Only to be changed to came in through the unlocked door when it is proved the window was not tampered with.

Child neglectors who refuse to admit leaving the children alone night after night even after findig out 2 of those children were crying the night before have no right to champion any cause regarding children.

Child neglectors who are so arrogant they wont return to PDL for a reconstruction because THEY dont think it will be usefull???? Or answer any questions about their missing daughter the pair of them make me sick.

Never mind they can carry on with their shallow lives but one day someone will talk and say exactly what went on that night. The McCanns have saturated the media with beautiful images of Madeleine and I cant look at them without feeling sad this poor child was let down so badly how anyone wont speak out after looking at the same pictures is beyond me???

Hell is a very hot place so I am lead to believe no matter how bad you may feel in this life there is one who will judge you for wicked actions and not be swayed by any misguided loyalty.

mariana said...

Hi Viv

Edward McMillan-Scott, is interested in parental abductions indeed. He has been associated with Parents and Abducted Children Together for a very long time.

Hi Marga

He is one of the 14 Vice Presidents in the EU parliament. Here is another site McMillan-Scott MEP Unfit For Office

marga said...

Hi Hope!
Great post.
The couple have no shame at all.

marga said...

Thanks Mariana.

marga said...

Marian, Hope,

One of the Tapas said sth like this:"we have a pact.It's no one's business..."

Pact: A formal agreement, such as one between nations; a treaty.

Interesting to see there is another coincidence here. The name of the organisation Mariana gave the link for.
PACT :Parents and Abducted Children Together

hope4truth said...

Hi Marga

That is intresting....

It beggers belief that anyone would have a pact over a missing child unless they know exactly what happend to her.

If they dont know where she is no pact needed nothing that comes out can be worse than the neglect.

Shame on each of them that does not come forward and tell the truth about every single thing that happend that holiday xxx

marga said...

Hope,

if you think of all this coincidences and high connections, you may come again to the hoax and fraud theory.

The only thing that denies this is the forensic evidence the police have against them.
This is a post in Gazeta Digital:

Paulo, no Madeleines sightings because there are pages of forensic reports

And no entries in Gerrys blog because noone believes him

The police dossier of evidence against the McCanns contains hundreds of pages of interview transcripts, witness statements, forensic reports and analysis by detectives

mariana said...

Marga

I might add that PACT is not very hot on Amber Alert, across the EU borders. They believe it is silly to use Amber Alert in Spain, for a kid lost in Scandinavia.

It was David Payne who said that about them having a pact.

hope4truth said...

Marga

I believe the forensic evidence is real and I understand the PJ have to dot all the I s and cross all the Ts before going any futher.

It is trully shocking that they have been allowed to ask for any information to be passed to them (have you ever heard of a suspect setting up a phone line so they can be told what you may have said in your statement to the police?)..

The one fact that has been proved and yet they still deny is the Neglect and IMHO if they can try and justify this as anything other than serious neglect of three children when one of them is missing then they can lie about anything.

One comment that comes up again and again when people talk about this in the real world is how can they try and defend the neglect it is discusting.

From day one they really believed we would all shut up and take in everything they said some people did but I know more and more people who had no opinion about this now openly saying not the McCanns again they are hidding something.

Gerry's Blog was like reading about a normal family day Jogging campainging oh and Madeleine may have been mentioned from time to time no wonder they pulled it and re launched it...

xxx

marga said...

Mariana,

but do they believe they can create a similar one aimed especially at the EU?

marga said...

Hope,

agree with you in everything you say.

One crime was committed here and it may be more complex than we can imagine. We will see which one or ones.
That's why the police has extended the investigation and asked for the secrecy to be extended.

Just don't know how they can face the world...

mariana said...

Marga
McMillan-Scott believes so.
As Viv points out they need another 182 MEP's to sign it, which is not an easy task.

mariana said...

Hey guys
I got to sign off.
There is an interesting article on the Times, dated June 9Law creates underclass of child criminals

Wizard said...

Good Morning All,

Have just been reading Viv’s article and I am amazed at McMillan Scott association with the McCanns.

Sometime ago Edwina Curry appeared on Hell’s Kitchen and was not able to cook an egg let alone anything more difficult – she lacked common sense. It was OK, however, for her to be in the cabinet and help run the country with the same lack of common sense. Now we have McMillan Scott, Vice President of the European Parliament, no less, inviting the McCanns to Strasburg. What person with an ounce of common sense would do this, at this stage the McCanns are the prime suspects in their daughter’s disappearance and you would think it political suicide to associate with this pair in anything until their names are cleared. Mr McMillan Scott does not appear to think so which just shows a complete lack of common sense and highlights the European Parliament as the gravy train it is. The McCanns and EU are two gravy trains on a collision course imo.

marga said...

Mariana,

the man believes so...

and is using two arguidos who should be believed to be victims of an abduction... doctors,good appearance, good relation to the cameras...a sunny country to stage an abduction and to stay until the girl appears, living from a fund, travel around the world, what else could they dream of?

It could be a good plan indeed.

Niki said...

Gerry's Blog
Day 407: 13/06/2008

First of all apologies for the long gap since my last blog. We are still very busy and the last 2 weeks all four of us have been laid low with a viral illness.

Our investigative team have been very busy working through all the information which has been coming in through the new hotline number and the e-mail addresses – see investigation page. A lot of this information is undoubtedly relevant to the investigation and every piece of information will be followed up- a very time consuming process – so please be patient with us! We are planning a facility to allow the upload of pictures of people who were in the Algarve leading up to Madeleine’s abduction. In the interim pictures can be e-mailed to investigation@findmadeleine.com

The campaign for a Europe wide Amber alert continues. There is approximately one month left to get the majority of MEP’s to sign the written declaration. Edward McMillan- Scott has told us that so far there are 211 signatures therefore we need another 182. Thank you to everyone who has written to MEP’s. Some of the responses that have been sent display a complete lack of understanding in what we hope to achieve. For example some have said they will not sign because such a system is already in place with the 116 000 hotline number. Firstly this number for missing children is only operational in one out of 27 European countries (Greece) so far. Secondly the number does not mean an Amber alert will be issued for an abducted child as no such system exists- hence the written declaration. Thirdly we are looking for cross border cooperation between member states when a child is abducted. Hopefully with more lobbying, we can get the declaration accepted.

We are continually looking to improve the website. Over the next few weeks you should notice some changes. We are planning to have new messages on the home page from Kate and myself. The blog may change to a findmadeleine update, there will be new pages displaying the posters in full and further details of local fundraising events. With the holiday season approaching, we would be really grateful if people would once again download Madeleine posters from the website (available in many different languages in how to help/downloads section) and take them with them for distribution and display. 1 in 6 children are recovered after someone has recognised them from a poster!

Finally, we would like to say thank you to everyone for their continued help and kindness, the many letters, messages of support and prayers. It is reassuring and uplifting that Madeleine is in so many people’s thoughts and prayers even at this stage.

Ecolab said...

"Who" is paying for the trip to the European Parliament in Strasbourg?

"Who" had paid for the journey to the States and other places?

IF it is The Find Madeleine Fund, I see this as conflicts of interests!

Setting up an " Europian Amber Alert" DOES NOT help finding Madeleine? So the fund should not put money into this.

Asset stripper etc.
Corporation taxfiddle etc.
Tax evation etc.
Fraud etc.

It can`t be The McCanns themselves. They do not have any money themselves. Is there a benefactor or is The Fund paying? I surely do not hope that the Fund is paying, because this must be illegal and must be in conflict with UK law?

Still, let us NOT forget: It is the investigated people themselves, who are talking about abduction, NOT the PJ and the POLICE.

Have`nt I heard that one before???

I can`t understand, why the people of UK are not demanding to see the "Find Madeleine Fund" accounts and balance sheets? The Find Madeleine Fund seem just to be a good milker for the McCanns!

I would suggest to get some focus at the "Find Madeleine Fund"

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Thanks for the interesting and informative article re the Mccanns subsequent visit to Strasbourg clearly they are not supported by our Government , 5 Mep's is hardly a large amount and as you rightly say they cannot be stopped from going there as then this could prejudice a fair trial in future, they are using this as a platform to try to persuade people they are innocent in my opinion. I hope they do not get the signatures needed and it is a waste of time for them. Surely most people now can see right through their actions...hope so anyway. Lizzy

viv said...

Good Morning all and thanks for such a fantastic response with some really good posts. As ever Hope's is particularly heartfelt.

Niki, what a bombshell for Gerry, he states the only country that has this system in place is Greece and they used it inappropriately instead of just looking right on the doorstep for these two poor little boys stuck in a lift. It just goes to show that wasting time with bureaucratic procedures is no substitute for common sense and good police work. Mind you, I have to say, if that had been my little boys, I would have personally hunted them down and would not have needed the police, but with one parent arrested and the other with another ten to care for I guess that would have been very difficult.

Mariana

I am going to check out your link about McMillan-Scott unfit for office, but I would second that even without reading it. I wonder if he will answer my email, an explanation would be nice but somehow I do not think he will want to give me one. The big mystery is the links the McCanns have and why do they have links to these people, particularly the rough diamond whose name just escapes me - Mr Double Glazing man and his slimy solicitor, Edward Smethurst. I have a horrible feeling about these men.

Viv x

viv said...

Thanks for the link Mariana and what a good webpage.

At their suggestion I have now emailed David Cameron also and asked him to conduct an investigation into the disreputable conduct of McMillan-Scott.

camerond@parliament.uk

Please also do the same.

Viv x

Niki said...

Hi all!

Just a quick note about the two brothers who faced a tragical and painful death here in Greece...

It is confirmed that they died from dehydration and starvation.

Police, relatives and neighbours had searched "all holes" exept the building the boys where found in...
Questions are now raised how police hadled the search they so terrible failed.

The mother was the one who raised the question wether her x-husbound (the boys biological father) could have sold the children.

The family is a very poor gypsey-family, and what the news sais now, is that the family had sold a child earlier.

Viv, just saw you are on, before finishing my post. You are so right. The "wider agenda" takes away all common sence, and what is just in front of your nose gets invisable... The McCanns did that well did'nt they? Scream "abduction" high enough, so noone will ask the proper questions... Thaks God for the PJ who has not given up, even though they have been distracted enough...

Have to run, see you another time:)

Niki

viv said...

Hiya Niki

Those two boys, it is a terrible tragedy for them and their family. I hope the Greek authorities will hold an enquiry and learn the lessons and also consider that inappropriate use of Amber Alert failed these two little boys and their family so badly.

I am sure the poor mum was quite demented with worry and bound to have been thinking of all possibilities as to what may have happened, this does not mean the police should have just run with this to the exclusion of a proper search. It is important to keep an open mind, as the PJ clearly did in Portugal, properly considering whether Madeleine had in fact been abducted, prior to moving on to the parents when the mounting evidence was so clearly taking them in that direction.

How shocking to be so poor families even sell their own children. That is really terrible, I do hope at least the child moved on to a better life.

The McCanns can keep shouting abduction until they are hoarse but they are up against two very professional police services who just know that did not happen. They are very foolish to persist with their lies.

Viv x

nancy said...

Viv -

Thanks for the excellent article and the links to the office of the toff MEP McMillan-Scott who along with three other equally numbskulled MEP's has put into motion this trip to Strasbourg to include the child neglectors, media manipulators, materialistic, shameless McCanns! It really beggars belief and makes one wonder just how much McMS really backs the safety of all children. Does that include Madeleine?
I shall certainly send his office an e-mail with my thoughts about it all!

Have any of these people given one thought to what has happened to Madeleine and that the guilt lies with these parents who are being lauded as some sort of saviours of children instead of the complete opposite!

As for Gerry saying his blog may change to a find Madeleine update, and there will be new pages displaying the posters in full and further details of local fund raising events - what's the matter Gerry is the publicity gravy train not raising enough?

Are they living in the real world those two!!!

Ecolab -

You ask who is footing the bill for these trips - well I would think as it's all MEP's who are going that it is being funded by the EEC, but at the end of the day it's the British tax payers who pay their astronomical wages!!

Nx

nancy said...

Viv -

Your Troll article last night (I've just finished reading it) has put me right off my lunch.

It spews vomit that site and I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

I think it must get all those with psychotic tendencies posting on there!

I thought Rosiepops blog was bad enough but the Trolls really wins the prize for the most foul forum I have set eyes on!

They could all do with some valium to calm them down!

Nx

nancy said...

Very distressing to read all these terribe crimes against children.

The McCanns would be better using their time trying to get our own MP's to do something positive to stop the awful things that are going on under their noses.

As Viv says, Great Britain has the worst record for child violations in the western world, and it's time it was given the 100% attention to get the numbers of children who are suffering right now and those who will be suffering in the future.

If it's possible to reach the moon, then it shouldn't take rocket science to get some programme in motion, with professional heads getting together all over the UK, to try and put an end, or at least scale right down, the suffering of little children.

Justice for Madeleine and all little children everywhere!

nancy said...

Mariana

Thanks so much for those links - I'll take a look later.

You are a great contributor to Viv's blog - thank you!


Nx

Cláudia said...

Hello, all,
Another spectacular day here.
As I said before, half of the things the McCanns managed to do while arguidos would never be possible without some kind of political interference. Without their connections how would suspects of a crime be allowed to campaign like they did and even go to the European Parliament?
And once again I repeat, there is no way that the Portuguese government is innocent in all this. Our politicians make us ashamed of them and I'm glad the Lisbon Treaty was rejected by Ireland.
José Sócrates and Durão Barroso, get a backbone and treat them like they were Portuguese criminals. That's all we're asking.

nancy said...

Hello Claudia -

Yes, it's all about politics at the end of the day, and money of course!!

The Irish at least had the chance to vote which is more than those in the rest of Britain ever get.

I for one would like to see the UK out of Europe altogether, even though when it was first conceived I was all for it - mainly selfish reasons like not having to change hard earned money back each time we holidayed abroad - but now I think it has brought more harm than good to the British way of life quite frankly. We are no longer able to make our own decisions about anything it seems.

However, to be quite honest, even though I haven't got much time for any of them, I think it's best to leave politics out of the equasion on blogs because the subject can turn friends into an enemies at the stroke of a pen!

Nx

Cláudia said...

Nancy, you're right. But although I believe politics have everything to do with the McCann's behaviour, I do not believe it has anything to di with right or left disputes. I think that the support they benefited from comes from the fact that they know the people they know. That's all. As for my governmeent, I believe that some of the most influential people lack a backbone and wanted to avoid a diplomatic incident at all costs. And that is why I believe this case was lost even before the police got at the scene...
Have a great day, all.
I'm going to enjoy the great weather here! :-)

Stella said...

Hello everyone

I would be very interested to know who contacted who? Did the McCann's first approach EMS, or did he approach them?

During the televised interview in Brussels, I could not help but notice the EMS looked really agitated at times. There was one point when he had a little trouble switching on the shared microphone with Clarence, if you look at the expression on EMS face whilst Clarence is trying to switch it on, you will know what I mean. EMS practically snatched it out of his hands.

I know nothing about this man and this is the first time I have ever seen him in public, but I would say I got the impression he did not want to be there. This is why I ask, who contacted who?

The other strange thing I found was, this interview was only aired in full on Sky TV and was only available through the video section. I wanted to record this interview, like I record everything that they release, and I was not able to do this. It seems you cannot record the video's on Sky, has anyone else had this problem??

Cláudia said...

Before I go, tell me, brilliant or what? :-)
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hi rosie
by sian Today at 1:04 pm

hi rosie whats happenning with the fbi now,i aint heared any more on this.

nancy said...

Stella -

Hi - it doesn't surprise me at all that the Sky interviews are subject to blackouts! That's the way a lot of these media outlets work - probably so that later on anything stupid they show or defend will hopefully, for them, be forgotten by the public.
It's the same with the Mirror and DX forums - everything has vanished into cyberspace!

How are you by the way - I've seen some of your interesting stuff on the 3As.


Nx

nancy said...

Claudia -

The McCanns most certainly have benefited from who they know and are connected with!

I hope all is not lost though and that the PJ's will be able to fight through all the bureacracy and come up with something positive at the end of the day.

I want to see the McCanns and hopefully their tapas pals,those who are also guilty of neglect, stand up in the dock and be counted.

Justice for Madeleine!!

marga said...

Hi, cláudia,
I'm happy to know we share the same view on the Lisbon Treaty stuff.

Have a nice day!

Jinhos

Joe said...

When I had my rant the other day about political interference I neglected to mention my belief that it was at the Portuguese end as well. I have never been keen on Barraso and I will never forgive him for going with Bush and Blair agreeing to invade Iraq... Life is cheap with the likes of these dictators. Power is their chalice. Nobody lives forever....thankfully.

That is interesting about McMillan-Scott. Is he being told to entertain the duo to show them in a positive light? It goes against all
normal etiquette to have suspects as representatives of this Amber Alert.


I firmly believe that the McCanns are protected now like a political party would cover for an MP under fire. I am not saying its official as I do not want to occur anybody's wrath but possibly connected contacts in UK and Portugal, are oiling the machinery or opening doors for them. Again its all just my opinion.

Joe said...

Just to say we voted NO here in Ireland as all Europe knows. So Barraso, Socrates, Sarkosy what do you think of that? The only country to be allowed a referendum and our Government had better respect the result. Power in a handful of individuals such as the above is just wrong.

Stella said...

Nancy

Hi, how are you. I keep reading your posts when you are not around. You have come a long, long way since the early days and I can tell you are really settled now. As for me, I'm up and down, more down than up, so do as best I can. I have been enjoying myself over at 3A's. Did you notice who came on to shoot me down in flames over the Viking Burial thread. I wanted to know who was who over there, so put a cat amongst the pidgeons, and bingo!!!

Stella said...

Hi Joe

Don't worry about the political thing, this is a free country and freedom of speech, is exactly what it means. Take it on the chin and move on, I say. If everyone agrees with you, life would be very boring. I'm with you by the way.

As for EMS, maybe he was daft enough to get involved with them before doing his homework. Sometimes when you are half way down a slippery slide and you want to get off because you have changed your mind you can't an you, you have to reach the bottom. I personally think body language speaks volumes and he is not a happy bunny.

Joe said...

Stella,

Thanks for your comments. EMS one would think would know better to be so naive especially if the .... hits the fan. He will have no where to run for cover.

Stella said...

Joe

It would not be the first time someone wanted to bat for the other side...

LittleGreyCell said...

Afternoon all,

Viv and Zodiac - sorry, couldn't get back yesterday. Thanks for your welcome back, Viv! Zodiac, will try and post again when you're on, but in the meantime, good luck next week... :)

Somebody on the 3As has apparently posted that an Irish witness (I think) has been asked to bear in mind they may need to return to Portugal in September for a trial.

As with everything else, it's impossible to say whether or not this is legit, but it does give food for thought.

Have we heard anything else about the holiday??

bath theory said...

Just to say that I am quiet at the moment due to school report writing that is taking me ages this year !!

I feel very confident about this period. I believe the McCanns know they are in trouble and their barristers are priming them for the courtroom.

Which is why these vile narrow minded neanderthal paid supporters and friends are going nuts with their bullying words against us. ALL WE WANT IS A PAIR OF PARENTS PUT INTO A COURTROOM IN ORDER TO FIND OUT 'LEGALLY'WHETHER THEY WERE INVOLVED IN KILLING THEIR CHILD. Why would anyone object to investigating a 3yr old's disappearance unless they knew the parents were involved?

By for now
An optimistic guy who cares

:)

WE SHALL OVERCOME
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE

PS CLAUDIA, My mop skills are improving!!

Stella said...

BT

Well said...just sending you three cheers!!!

LittleGreyCell said...

I have to go now...have a lovely evening, everyone!

:)

marga said...

Joe,
loved to read your post re Portuguese influence.

You are right about Barroso and that alliance with Bush re Iraq.

He is a greedy politician IMO. He was Portugal Prime Minister and didn't want to continue as soon as he was invited to be the EUC president. That says it all.

nancy said...

Hi and goodbye LGC - always good to see you on here!

Stella -

Nice to read and hear from you - you are an example to the rest of us in my opinion, and yes I did read the Viking thread. I knew you were probably speaking with tongue in cheek though; however it was an interesting topic and lots of people commented on it which is the main thing. It must be a bit offputting if you put a thread on and nobody bothers to reply!

I always enjoy Big L's efforts to -he hasn't changed since the days of the DX bless him!

Bath Theory -

Nice to see you - we could sure do with some optimism right now! The McCanns are really enjoying their exalted position and thumbing their noses at all of us who just want justice for their daughter Madeleine!

Joe -

They say the 'luck of the Irish' - you all had your say and it went the way I'm sure an English vote would go if given the opportunity!

I'm 25% Irish on my father's side -my paternal grandmother came from Ireland - name of Lowrie or Lowry -I'm not sure which! I visited Dublin a few years back and loved it! Such friendly folk I thought!

We all have to show some patience right now and when we least expect it something will come out of the bag!

See you all later!


Nx

viv said...

Hiya all

Just wanted to say that like BT, I feel very confident too. Both sets of police have done a huge amount of work and the judge has approved the case and allowed two extensions. There is no way they are going that far and then giving up, simply no chance IMO.

Claudia, Hun, as ever you make me giggle. So they are still wondering when the FBI, er the Americans are going to take over, bless me, what can you say about the IQ of these people! Hey Bush send the troops in to sort out these wicked PJs and even more incompetent officers from Leicester Police, what a corrupt bunch of time wasters squandering all that tax payers money investigating the McCanns, simply bloody criminal!

Viv xxxxxxxx

docmac said...

Hello Viv

Not here for long, but I see the trainee bottle washer over there on HMS Unintelligent has been disturbed by my post re the McCanns believing they have the upper hand in the case against them. As I said then it is currently McCanns 1: Madeleine 0, but this game is in its infancy.

Yes appy, I can see you are not a doc. And yes, there is indeed a period at the end of each and every sentence in my post. And when I say 'there' I actually mean 'there'. As do I mean 'as' when I say 'as'.

There are only 3 possible explanations as to why you would take exception to my post:

1. You are stupid.
2. You can't read (see 1 above).
3. You are worried.

My choice? 3. And 1.

Dope. How's Alroy? And the daughters?

nancy said...

Viv -

Just to say before I sign off for the evening - I have taken a leaf out of your book and sent an e-mail to both David Cameron and Edward McMillan-Scott's offices.

I don't suppose it will change anything because they will probably end up in the laugh and tear up basket, but at least it will let them know people are furious that two child neglecters can head a campaign concerning the safety of children. As I said in my e-mails, the UK must be the laughing stock of Europe at such a cockeyed decision.

Nx

Cláudia said...

I would love to know what the pros would say if Robert Murat, as an arguido in this case, was campaigning for the safety of children. And let's not forget that although he is a suspect, he is not known to have endangered his only child.

docmac said...

Claudia

If Murat had been nominated as Scotsman of the year he would not have won, but he'd have beaten Gerry.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I suppose so! ;-)

docmac said...

Claudia I shall have some news for you soon :-) And it's not about Big Brother. Or maybe it is ;-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, I'm waiting... Anxiously waiting!

docmac said...

Claudia

It's coming, it's coming. These things take time and I need other people to help me as you well know.

I had planned on being asleep by now but one of the elves has found something very, very interesting. They are all still digging away and I'm basically the coffee boy at the moment. At least it's a promotion for me. I've got to be pleased with that.

Cláudia said...

Doc, you're mean...
I'm waiting...

docmac said...

Claudia you are going to PYSL when I send you some mail in a few mins!

You will not believe what is going on :-)))) lololol!!

southerncross said...

Lol, just signed in and want to know as well please :)

Cláudia said...

Doc, that's not fair...

Cláudia said...

Southerncross, as an alter ego I'm sure you know what's going on. Or are you not on speaking terms with your other half? ;-)

southerncross said...

Claudia, no we have a wee disagreement at the mo ;)

Cláudia said...

Southerncross, it's kind of embarassing when people start talking to themselves. Or maybe it's a sign of sanity! ;-)

docmac said...

Hey SC give me your email addy and I'll tell you. Oh wait, I already have it :-)))) Where's my coffee? I've resigned. That was a kak job ek se.

Claudia you have mail. There is a lot more than that. Call it an aperitif if you will. I must get to bed and I'll leave the 'staff' at it. xx to both of you. Don't forget to feed the cats before you come through.

southerncross said...

Claudia,

I had a patient talking to himself, and when asked why , he simply replied that he preferred conversing with an intelligent being.
I love the dear hearts and gentle people

Cláudia said...

Doc, read and answered.
I take it you will keep the suspense until tomorrow. You know, I'm only 28 (ok, almost 29), but my heart may not react well to this... ;-)

Cláudia said...

Southerncross, lolololololol

Cláudia said...

They have finally seen the light.
I also believe Madeleine knew her 'abductor'. In fact, I believe she trusted him/her a lot.
----------------------------------

Mandz
by dianeh Today at 12:11 am

(...) Also, glad to hear that Garret considers that it is a possibility that Madeleine was abducted, and gives good reasoning for it.

But the most interesting thing to me, is something I never though of before.

"Madeleine might have known her abductor, Garrett said. Somebody might have independently befriended her, possibly someone who works at the resort, he said."
(...)

docmac said...

Claudia

I've just put our 24 year old dog to bed. Tell SC I'm still waiting for my coffee. I hope she was not offended earlier :-(

Nite x

Cláudia said...

Doc, I could get you a coffee. But not for free. I miss your mop... ;-)

xxxx

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, everybody.
xxxx

southerncross said...
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viv said...

Superbrain McMandz is back on the scene, "you just could not make this stuff up" (Waves to Rosiepops) , unless you were actually trying to be funny, and I do not think she has the wit...is this an example of just how desperate the McCanns are or is she just some stupid person who hero worships them, or both? Gina/Bianca is very comfortable back under the stone:


Mandz said...
Hi Gina,
Yes absolutely if there were ever going to be charges then it’s everyone not just the McCann’s. If what clawd said was true then what about the Irish couple (in Portugal) who allegedly got drunk and could not be woken to look after their three young children.
There children got taken into care yet they got their children back the next day - no charges and flew back home. One rule for everyone else and a separate rule for the McCann’s. Anyway I don’t believe for one second they will be charged.

Tinks
Like you my main anger is with the evil son of a bitch who came into their environment and took this small child. My anger is also at the investigation.

Mum21,
Like you I think perhaps the children were giving something to sniff to keep them in a deep sleep. Gerry stated he thought it was strange the other two did not wake up? We know that Maddie was crying the day before and that perhaps there was something in this? Perhaps the abductor came that night and the children got a fright and were crying hence he came back the next night and gave them chloroform? Who knows?

14 June 2008 15:15

marga said...

Morning!


I thought the MC$$s were only going to be in Strasbourg next Tuesday, but according to Lusa they were there on the 10th and on the 17th they will return.

They still need 182 MPs to sign their plan and asked those who have not signed it yet to do it now.

The MPs have only two more sessions
to approve the project otherwise it will not succeed.

If this is true , they don't have much time.

marga said...

Here is the link:

http://noticias.uol.com.br/ultnot/lusa/2008/06/13/ult611u78261.jhtm

Zodiac said...

Morning all,

Viv your 03.18hrs post. LOBL**DYL!
Thanks for the insight to place I do not visit. An update now and again is enough for me.

Zodiac said...

Happy Father's Day to all the fathers on the blog.

nancy said...

Viv -

Having reread your first post yesterday morning it seems that Robert Murat and the McCanns are being kept as arguido status much longer than at first anticipated. It clearly states that they will be kept as arguidos up to the conclusion of the investigation.

It seems to me that if the McCanns had been completely innocent in Madeleine's disappearance, and were only guilty of neglect by abandonment, they would surely have co-operated fully with the PJ's so as to end their arguidos status. As they have decided not to co-operate they can hardly blame the PJ's for continuing with their arguido status.

I would have thought though, as Murat has co-operated with the PJ's, he would have lost his arguido status by now, unless they have suspicions still about him.

Justice for Madeleine!


Nx

Ecolab said...

Nancy:

Or Murat is still kept an arguido in order to keep him silent. If he was free to talk....wow

viv said...

Hiya Marga

Thanks for this story but how odd Clarence did not have this put in our own press, after all the publicity last time. I suppose there may be two reasons:

1. There was a devastating leak about Kate and Gerry being told by Madeleine that her and Sean were crying the night before, but they seemingly went and done it again, drugging them to make sure they did not wake and of course Madeleine then disappeared.

2. It is feared this is not going to be a good publicity cous for the McCanns, as they thought, because there are insufficient numbers of Euro MPS backing the Scheme. I am sure none of them are actually backing them. There is also the prospect they have actually prevented this Scheme being taken forward because so many MEPs would not want to vote for it because it would be seen as a vote for Kate and Gerry McCann. It looks to me like this is yet another failed publicity stunt by the gruesome twosome and their henchman. What are they advocating, keep leaving your children alone and then when they disapppear use the media. Well sorry to say Kate and Gerry but most people think you should look after your children properly in the first place and really wonder where you get the brass neck from.

Justice for Madeleine and all Abused little ones with parents like Kate and Gerry McCann xxxxx


13/06/2008 - 17h08
Young McCann project calls for votes on missing

London, June 13 (Lusa) - The parents of Madeleine McCann travelled on Tuesday to the European Parliament in Strasbourg, to try to convince 182 members to support the creation of a European warning system for missing children.

"Until now we have 211 signatures and we need to sign 393 MEPs, which is equivalent to a simple majority in Parliament," the agency Lusa said the spokesman, Kate and Gerry McCann, Clarence Mitchell.

In a visit of only one day, the couple vai is with some MEPs and the signature vai ask those who have not yet done so, finishing the day with a press conference.

"Kate and Gerry are still confident that will achieve the remaining 182 signatures they need," said the spokesman.

The statement, presented by McCann and a group of MEPs on April 10 in Brussels, calls for all member countries of the European Union enabling an alert system for missing children, as already happens in the United States and some European countries.

The alert system would allow the use of media to search for missing children and establish cooperation agreements with neighbouring countries. Since April, the McCann and other organizations asking for support to MEPs for the project.

Members now have only two more sessions to sign the document, before the project has expired. If the required number of signatures is reached, Mitchell says, the text follows for the European Commission, which is institutionally the role of go ahead with the proposal.

Although they are considered suspects in the case on the disappearance of their daughter, Kate and Gerry McCann residing in the United Kingdom with the other two children and maintains an active international campaign for finding Madeleine.

viv said...

Hiya Nancy and Eco

I cannot make up my mind whether Murat is still an arguido to keep him silent or whether it because hs is involved. I guess we will just have to wait and see but either would not surprise me.

It is the reports recently from Portuguese press that have thrown me that clearly suggest the McCanns are also being investigated for kidnapping, whereas I think we had always assumed Murat alone was being investigated for this, that had been discounted and now it is just the McCanns for homicide, abandonment, concealment of corpse. That is probably right but I just have this feeling..Whether Murat is involved or not, what can be said is he has behaved very properly and kept his mouth shut, not used the media etc to conduct a campaign of "innocence". For that he has to gain respect, especially if he is innocent!!

Cláudia said...

fathers day today
by sian Today at 3:47 am

fathers day today,i wonder what gerry maccanns wishes would be?
-----------------------------------

Well, I had a dream/vision (it's very popular lately to have 'dreams/visions') anf regarding Gerry's wishes I can see the words: God, get, please, with, away, it. I can't make sense of this. Can anyone help me? As you all know English is not my native language... ;-)

viv said...

Hiya Zodiac

I have to say that when I do read the stuff they right it makes my jaw drop, I just cannot believe people would write this stuff. They even had a full blown discussion as to whether I am a paedophile!!

Simply staggering and you are wise not to bother but being a lawyer I do keep all of the libellous posts they write about me.

Vivx

Cláudia said...

P.S: I just wanted to thank the PJ again. Yesterday a lunatic kidnapped a one day old baby boy from a maternity ward in Penafiel, Portugal. In a few hours the PJ caught the crazy woman and she is now where she belongs: in prison. Great work, guys. Thanks!

viv said...

Hi Claudia

Well Hun, I do not want to patronise you but I think you got a much better command of English than the people on that blog.

Gerry's wishes are something about

off, travel, sex

I think you have to translate to his own style of language (he would still use the word "off") and of course re-arrange the words sequentially, this could be a good learning tool for them, and when they have managed to play this game, I hope they may do so.

Well I just seen Doc's lates avitar and had to laugh, is he wearing a tutu or a small inflatable boat. I am sure either would be very handy for him xxxxxx

viv said...

Hiya again Claudia

My congratulations to the PJ on so quickly catching this deranged woman, they are good at netting crazy women who pose a serious risk of harm to children but there are some who are like slippery wet fish, they can jump around in the net as much as they like, they are still netted. Being a fish they do not realise this until it is too late and find there is no way out the net.

xxxx

Cláudia said...

Viv, your two last posts cracked me up! :-) I love that sense of humour!
Fortunately, a few hours laters that poor mother had her baby boy back in her arms. The crazy woman is now in the right place! Do you think she's feeling lonely and wants some company? :-)

viv said...

Seriously darling what wonderful news for this poor mum. Two hours of terrible trauma is bad enough but it is fantastic police work to get the baby back to her so incredibly fast, and you mean they never even used Amber Alert? Well I just do not understand how they managed then! I mean Hun, if a child is missing there is only way to get it back, plaster it all over the media, when are we going to realise this!

Viv x

marga said...

Cláudia,

there was no need for the Amber Alert. The PJ only needed 4 hours to solve the case.
3 hours for lunch and 1 hour tocatch the lunatic one. LOL

marga said...

+ to catch/arrest

Cláudia said...

Viv, I think the baby was kidnapped around 3 pm. I heard the unconfirmed news on tv at 5 and at 9 the news said the baby was back in his mother's arms. Kind of quick. No photo of the baby, mum, dad or kidnapper anywhere.

Cláudia said...

Marga, lolololol

viv said...

One needs a lot of energy to work so fast, so there is method in the three hour lunch break!

viv said...

Hiya again Hun


So how the Portuguese Police handle a real kidnapping is they do not mess about with loads of pictures on telly saying the child is kidnapped, oh no, they first rescue the child and then put it on telly. Well that seems like a good way to handle things to me!

marga said...

Vi, Cláudia and All,

LOL

What a performance!

Cláudia said...

The only communication we had from the PJ was to confirm that the baby boy had been found safe and well, was in the arms of his mother and that the suspect was arrested. No pictures, no show, no nothing unless good work.

viv said...

I think the McCanns get so cross with the PJ because they do things so differently, no media, no fuss, no lies, just efficient police work. Enough to make some very ~~~~"inefficient" parents, very cross indeed!

xxxx

Cláudia said...

Viv, I think you have a poin there! :-)
xxxx

viv said...

Popping out now, see you later, if you are around

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

marga said...

A friend of mine sent me this link:
http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&ndsp=18&hl=en&q=tres+mulheres+gordas+no+computador&start=36&sa=N


Do you recognise them? In the middle there is the leader.
No need to answer. This is not a quiz.

marga said...

Claudinha,
are you ready for the game?

marga said...

Viv,

have a nice sunday afternoon!

marga said...

Forgot to mention it's picture no.16!

Cláudia said...

Marga, yes, I'm ready. And for the first time I think I won't be that nervous...

Have a nice afternoon, Viv. I won't be long either!

Ecolab said...

Marga:
Who is the third women? I only know the two of them!

marga said...

Eco,
do you mean the one in the blue feather plumes?

Well, she might represent all the other silly pampas grass troll adorers :-)

atardi said...

To all the fathers blogging for JFM and all abused kid's:

Happy Father's Day.

Ecolab said...

Marga: Yes, this is exactly who I mean. Maybe she is The Dolly from ShangHai? She looks like a pushup dolly to me!!

atardi said...

kids instead of kid's.

Ecolab said...

Artardi

Father`s Day(fars dag) in Denmark is the 5. June. I think it is different from country to country?

Greeting to UK Fathers day ;-))

atardi said...

Marga,

Do you know what I bought yesterday?

I'm afraid I don't know the 3 famous ladies.

atardi said...

Eco,

We celebrate it here also today.

Cláudia said...

I know that I probably expect too much from these people but is it too much to ask that more than one year later they can get at least the names (McCann and Madeleine) right?
-----------------------------------
if i had just one wish
by sian Today at 5:58 pm

if i only only one wish i would give it to the maccanns,and i would wish madeline would come home.

Cláudia said...

Here Father's Day is on the 19th March! :-)

Ecolab said...

Cláudia:

Yes, you do expect to much ;-))

marga said...

Atardi,
let me guess... that delicious cheese?!

Eco,
LOL

marga said...

Cláudia,
is this your last week?

Cláudia said...

Ecolab, I know. I do. Teachers are usually like that!n :-)

Marga, I'm almost done. I think that Wednesday will be my last.

Di said...

Hi all

I don't know whether this will get through or not.

I have just about lost the will to post on here at the moment. It could be my laptop I don't know, but what I do know, is every time I try to post it disappears. The only posts I managed to get through were last night, Testing!! plus a reply. anyway here goes....

From 3A's...yas59..very interesting if true....



I have been an avid follower of this case from day one. My interest at first was because i live a couple of miles from rothley and work in the village. However i have been very wary of posting since an incident just after i joined the mirror last october. I posted on there how my niece looked after maddie at the nursery, and mentioned that i worked in social services based in Rothley.

A few days later we all received an email at work 'advising' us not to comment on controversal cases on the internet!! And more worrying, my niece said they had all been asked questions at the nursery about family members, jobs etc. There was very definitely a witch hunt going on.

As I mentioned before, the nursery have more or less placed an embargo on staff moving jobs. I know that legally thay cannot stop staff leaving, but as my niece says, it would be difficult to avoid all the questions etc at any other nursery she may work at.

At least where she is they provide a bit of back up at times when the media descend, which they have done. One can only imagine what it will be like if the staff are ever allowed to freely speak.

My young niece and her collegues are examples of more lives this family have disrupted. She has been in tears many times, both through concern for maddie - by the way, i will say that she was always 'maddie' despite what gerry may say, and also from the pressures it has put them all under.

I hope this site isn't monitored like the mirror one obviously was as i would hate to cause more problems for the nursery nurses. I have always wondered who was spying on the mirror - team mccann? other pros? and who had the power to issue emails to the social service staff? no other county council dept were emailed-just us at Rothley!!

There are many comments i have heard and would like to share but feel this would not be fair on her. But i feel that the outcome and the percieved main suspect will come as no surprise to the girls who looked after the poor wee mite. By the way, they were questioned early on by Leics police to see if there has been any previous incidents that concerned them.

thank you for reading my essay. i may not post often, but i make up for it when i do!!

If i vanish forever it means that the thought police have tracked me down.

Di said...

:o))))))

Di said...

Sorry forgot to leave a link


http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15108&sid=e12bc2177c058f526304bc77a8ef0d7b

docmac said...

Hi Di

Intriguing, if true. Everyone's watching the football. Would you mind bringing more crisps?

Di said...

Hi Doc

As long as you bring the wine :o))))

Well, they are all coming out of the woodwork, it could be a Troll etc.,

AND it could be who knows!!

My opinion is let us hear everything, no matter what!! and digest it for ourselves....

Hope you are enjoying the footy..

Zodiac said...

Di,

Your 20.02hrs post. If true, FFS.

Thanks for posting it.

viv said...

Hi Ecolab

I think the poem you have posted is inappropriate and I have therefore deleted it.

Viv

Di said...

Yas59

Her last post.

Again, I am not sure what to believe, troll or not..




Thank you for your support but i shall log on no more after this. i came on after much watching of this site, to air a genuine concern re traceability and find i am being accused of inventing my place of work amongst other things. Then i am invited to submit my facts by pm to elibean for consideration by 'them in the know' before you all decide whether i am a wum or not!! well cheers all - its a wonder anyone hangs around for long. tell me good people of this forum, how does one become accepted? No wonder we all know so little of the mccanns personal life. i try to share a little with you and get shot down in flames.
After tonight i neither know nor care whether its the work of the pros or troll to ambush newbies. i shall go back to just reading. But isnt this attempt to silence newbies going against the sites very ethics of free speech?
goodnight and goodbye Yas

viv said...

Hi Di

I just cannot believe this lady works in Social Services but goes blagging highly confidential information concerning the McCanns children on the Mirror and 3 As.

It is an instant sacking offence to disclose confidential information about clients to anyone, particularly when it relates to the welfare of the child and this information is being posted on large internet sites. She is either a charlatan in my view, or someone who ought to be sacked.

I do not know, but I would have thought Rothley was a fairly small village and unlikely to have a branch of Social Services there anyway, but if they do she is making herself very easily indentifiable and I would not blame Kate and Gerry for raising a serious complaint, if it were true, and demanding her dismissal but I sincerely doubt it!

Viv x

bath theory said...

Viv
I believe it is a delicate time in the case and very much appreciate this being a members only set up. In fact I would be more than happy if no one but us read it too as HMS Sinkingfast is not talking about Madeleine at all but about US instead. It is unbelievable isn't it.

Gerry's blog new extract from the McCann files

...First of all apologies for the long gap since my last blog. We are still very busy and the last 2 weeks all four of us have been laid low with a viral illness...

(COULD THIS BE THE FIRST SIGN OF GUILT after the police dog news + ZAPATA news kicked into them ?)

nancy said...

Good Evening Di -

I was just reading the thread on the 3A's posted by Yas59. I got up to page 4, clicked on page 5 and it went down. I tried to get it back but couldn't get it, so perhaps the thought police have seen what's been said!!!

I'll try again in a minute to see if it's come back.

I feel sorry for her if she really is genuine, but people can't be blamed for being suspicious when you think of all the clones that have been around! I must admit she seemed to ring true, but then someone questioned whether there really was a Social Services office in Rothley, and that's when it cut out.

When you think about it, there have been no neighbours, friends, workmates, etc, of the McCanns who have offered any information on them and it makes you wonder just why? They could all make a nice sum from the newspapers and the media after all. I know it wouldn't be the right thing to do to tell all because this is an ongoing case, but I thought one might have come out of the woodwork by now!

Nx

Di said...

Off now..

I don't know if it is just me, but I have not been able to get back on 3's for a while now.

The post by Yas59.. that I put up earlier, I believe, she should be given the chance to have her say.

I know we have all become very uneasy with new members but, is that not what! we all were.

I know of two people who would love to have an imput on this forum and 3A'S but won't,they are too scared.

I wonder how many other people feel like this.

bath theory said...

For all the spanish speakers I have posted a link here to a song where the words are about parenting in our modern life.

Basically, it mentions stuff about how you shouldn't bring children into this world to satisfy your own needs to complete the picture of a family to those around you. It talks about giving them time and being there when they need you.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=qq49HvA9nY0

viv said...

Hiya BT

The regular pro posters seem to have just about stopped posting altogether and what are left, are, as you say discussing us or some other rubbish such as "bubbles" on Sky or Big Brother. I do not have a real problem with them showing themselves up for what they are.

Making the blog private to members only would defeat the object I think and be acting just the same way they do. We do not have anything to hide, clearly they do!

I think the news re Zapata would have been devastating for them because they suggested he was innocent and wanted the American ruling to prove their own "innocence". It was very astute and helpful of you to point out in fact the dogs were right and he did kill his wife.

Stress is know to affect health and there could be nothing more stressful than being investigated for the homicide of your own child whilst at the same time desperately seeking to keep up the momentum in a campaign to suggest they are innocent. But, Kate said her health was not good to return for the reconstruction we were told she was frail etc, but then saw her return to Brussels and according to a Portuguese news report they have just attended Strasbourg too, so how ill are they, clearly not so ill they give up their lies. The best way for them to alleviate their stress is to face the truth and stop living a wicked lie, the police will get them in the end, they are never going to give up on a such a serious set of offences, they know that full well. In those circumstances and given they denied little Madeleine a decent burial to pursue their own self-serving and sickening behaviour, they do not deserve sympathy, but I do hope the twins are OK in reality, at least physically. No one though can underestimate the trauma those poor little mites have been through. I remember my daughter in law saying to me it would have been an act of love towards the twins to settle them with caring relatives and stay with the Portuguese police and face the truth, not much chance of them doing that though but of course she is right, the McCanns do not display and love or concern for their children, even the remaining two. They are too busy trying to save themselves and gadding off on their next hopeless campaign to be bothered about those little twins. What happened to the holiday idea? It just made me sick the way they suggested it was for the twins, what like it was in PDL!! What exactly do they mean, the twins do not actually want to spend any time with their parents? They have no concept of what a normal family holiday with children involves, they forget they even have any, or would like to forget, save when it suits them.

Viv x

viv said...

Hi Di

The McCanns and their sycophants have been so threatening and abusive to anyone on the internet who dares to try and oppose them and suggest the police are right I can certainly understand there are many who would be afraid to post either here or on 3 As.

To those who do have the courage of their convictions and are prepared to say so, this shows great character and a firm belief in childrens rights, decency and justice.

I do not think it matters too much any more because I am quite convinced the McCanns will be prosecuted for very serious offences which they will serve time for and very richly deserved.

As Doc said some weeks back, when we got the news about the court judgment etc. "the wall has come down" and the McCanns have no chance of putting it back up. We do not even get all the silly Sunday spin every week in the papers from Clarence, he knows it is time to shut up! It is not so long ago he was holding up a photofit like some senior police officer demanding this man be found and shouting to the PJ the gloves are off, what happened to that fighting talk..he realised what an idiot he is and how utterly hopeless the cause of his "clients" truly is

Viv x

viv said...

Hi Nancy

I am sure that those with inside information value their job too much to speak out and others have been warned by the police not disclose information that could hamper the investigation.

We know enough dont we? and I think we need to be patient and wait for the rest of the facts to emerge, but I have no doubt, they will be very shocking.

I am going to have an early night, so sweet dreams to everyone and

JUSTICE FOR A SWEET LITTLE GIRL CALLED MADELEINE McCANN, THAT IS ALL WE CAN HOPE FOR NOW XXXXXXXX

For all the other little children Maddie will get justice xxxxxx

nancy said...

Di -

I managed to get back on the 3A's and read the last two pages. It seems to me there is a lot of infighting with some of the posters on there which surprised me! I can understand people having a differing opinion, but some of them are downright rude to be honest! You have to have a strong back!!

Nx

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

Yes, I'm certain that the writing is on the wall for the McCanns and some of their pals too!

Have a good 'early night'!

I'm off to bed myself as it's 11.45 here.

God Bless.


Nancy x

nancy said...

Bath Theory

Thanks for the thread to the Spanish song - I'll take a look at that tomorrow.

Off for the night now -

God Bless and take care.


Nancy x

bath theory said...

Good point, they do seem to be operating like a political leader whose time is up but continue to speak as they usually do in the hope the charade will keep up for as long as possible.

WORDS ARE CHEAP and some of us citizens of the world can see it very clearly.

PS Haven't had a reply to my letter to the 'sick' couple.

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

I see you just did a bunkum. Do yourself a favour and read the wooden flooring thread :-))

Who on earth is Bubbles?

bath theory said...

Hi Doc
Nearly finished my reports for his year 24,121 words. Getting harder every year as I get older.

Do we know what the cleaning fluid the Portugese police found was ?

docmac said...

Hi BT

I envy you not. Except for your age of course!

There was a lot of speculation at one time but I can't recall that ever being sorted out. I do remember a report stating that the cleaning fluids were responsible for denaturing some of the DNA sampled, so I'm pretty sure there is something the PJ have that we are not privy too.

bath theory said...

I don't know why but I have a memory that lots of fluid was found in the apartment.

docmac said...

Yeah, and not only cleaning fluid either.

Be back in a mo, my neighbour is banging on my door.

docmac said...

Dear oh dear,

I should not think it's funny, but my elderly neighbour was watching a documentary and his screen went blue. After a little investigation he found someone had nicked his dish!

What on earth does a thief do with a satellite dish? Hang it above his fireplace? Bathe his pet iguana in it? I ask you!

bath theory said...

Why Doc answers the door to Claudia I shall say goodnight to all and leave to check the boys and watch the football highlights with my wife.

Take care all, and to those who think these quiet times are not welcome I remind them of the saying - no news is good news.

docmac said...

Nite BT. Enjoy the Turkey game. It was the best so far I think.

bath theory said...

One last time for the Spanish speakers........

For all the spanish speakers I have posted a link here to a song where the words are about parenting in our modern life.

Basically, it mentions stuff about how you shouldn't bring children into this world to satisfy your own needs to complete the picture of a family to those around you. It talks about giving them time and being there when they need you.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=qq49HvA9nY0

docmac said...

I'm on an all-nighter here like Viv used to do on occasion late last year when she was still in her 60s.

There are three rather daunting yet thought-provoking new posts over at Barbie® & Co that deserve everyone's attention. The demonstrably well-educated author has clearly invested much valuable time and energy in penning these well-researched articles. Considering the effort taken I think it would be considered rude and impolite not to offer any response:


A: "Could madeleine still be in portugal,did she ever leave?Where should be searched?"

B: "Should interpol now take over the case of missing madeleine,should portuguese police be investigated by interpol?"

C: "SHOULD THE A3 SITE BE CLOSED DOWN ? WITH THE HATEFILLED SPITEFULL REMARKS MADE ON THERE.
ANYONE HAVE ANY VEIWS ON THIS ID LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU."



I think she done them proud. They is mostly not that sharp but she as brains an all. Respect. Wot are your veiws?

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docmac said...

Oh and by the way, those are the articles, not the hedings!

Sorry for the double deletion their Viv. I was having some trouble speling hedings. dont want to embarass myself you now!

docmac said...

I was just reading 3a and found this test has been a bit of a rage on 3a. I went and tried it out myself and it's pretty good fun :-)

Rosiepoops do NOT publish your score and comments, as you will have been annihilated by a simple old cleaner and probably most others you deign to call stupid :-))))) I got 99;0;1. I am 1% stupid at 7am after a sleepless night. The comment offered included the words 'next' and 'wow'. Quite disappointing really lololol!!

Sweep, sweep, sweep, sweep, mop, mop, mop, Jerry's going to gail...

docmac said...

Bye the bye I used ONLY my head Rosiepoop. No artificial aids at all.

Good morning Viv and all. That test has worn me out lol and I'm going to catch 40 winks. I'ts a holiday for me today; Youth Day :-)

nancy said...

Bath Theory -

I tried to get the Spanish song, but it came up 'no longer available'!

I'll try again later!

These computers drive you nuts sometimes!!

Nx

nancy said...

Docmac -

I'll look for the wooden floor thread - thanks.

I haven't a clue who Bubbles is but she seems to cause a bit of froth at times!!

Sorry to hear about your neighbour having his tv dish stolen.

There is a lot of theft of anything metal in the UK and Spain at the moment - it's taken to scrapyards to get money and is well in demand apparently!


Nx

viv said...

Morning all, this is an interesting article from 24 Horas that suggests right from the very outset the PJ were investigating whether any kidnapper was known to the McCanns. This does seem to tie in with the recent ruling from the judge, that kidnapping is one of the lines of investigation of the McCanns. Never did find them believable did they, they always believed they were involved, in some way, and of course they could not find any forensics for a kidnapper..but there again they did a lot of cleaning and trashing didn't they!



Hypothesis that a raptor is known of the couple is being investigated


Published in 2007-05-08


Police will fine comb lives of parents of Madeleine

The life of parents of small Madeleine (Maddie) McCann, Gerald and Kate, was last in comb fine by the English authorities who are investigating the hypothesis that the person they have led the daughter, only 3 years, is known as couple.
"One of several hypotheses open is that someone might know is involved in the abduction of children," confirmed the next 24 hours source of research. In this scenario, the alleged raptor Tuesday will be crossed at some time with family and McCann with the small Maddie - who disappeared on Thursday night, a unit of tourism in Praia da Luz, Lagos.
Similarly, researchers Criminal Police vasculharam the records of several hotel properties in Praia da Luz and Lagos, in an apparent attempt to find raptor compatible with the geographic location of the family - which is the English city of Leicester.
But the track of the abduction is not the only one that is being followed.
"The deal is an abduction is not very normal people want to take a child about to make 4 years old, who already speaks, when one could take the baby," explains the source, for whom everything is open. "You can even treat is a kidnapping with sexual motivation, but we can not exclude the hypothesis of the girl leaves the house and if he lost, or - hopefully not - to have fallen into a ribanceira or in a well," says the same source.
The research is being done in England and also in Portugal, where he arrived three British agents who have accompanied the family and collected clues that might put the PJ in the track or the kidnappers.
In this research, PJ is applying the formula, however magazines, which used the "Joana case." Shortly after the warning, the teams were searching for the two stations wastewater treatment plant in Praia da Luz One is active, the other not. According to one of the elements that participated in the search told 24 hours, the result of them was negative.
Another point, also revised, was to send in time for technicians of the Laboratory of Forensic Science (LPC). In "case Jeanne" the technicians were sent home with the child about email months after his disappearance.
Meanwhile the PJ announced yesterday that the investigations into the disappearance of small Maddie "have allowed the collection of data and information that are likely to be relevant interest" but escusou further details.
"The different lines of research that have been developed have allowed the collection of data and information that are likely to be relevant interest to the research, it is not possible at this time, however, add more pieces of information about their results," said the PJ.
The note, the PJ added that the disappearance of Madeleine triggered by all the police and civil protection at achieving a wide range of approaches to search.

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

I don't feel sorry for the old bugger at all any longer ;-) I was having an early morning conversation with Claudia as to what was happening and she was as gobsmacked as I was at how things turned out. I'll copy and paste here some of my musings to her from last night for a laugh. I have just replaced personal stuff with asterisks.

"I waited for you on the blog to both commiserate and to congratulate you on your team winning the group but I suppose half of you are laughing and the other half crying so I guess everyone is busy! I have a neighbour watching TV here while waiting for the police to arrive and investigate the theft of his satellite dish a short while ago. He is very indignant that they have ‘more important matters’ to attend to right now. Judging by the way he’s climbing into a bottle of whisky I offered him he’ll probably fall asleep on my couch lolol!"

"Well I got too much into the football to be honest. I had just arrived back at the computer when the old boy came a-knocking. *** ******* **** have gone home, so I can’t ** *** ** **** ***** ***. Not tired yet so I’ll be surfing the net a bit. The old boy is not really much of a chatter so I’ll leave him be for the moment."

"Can you believe it!!! The old boy, after drinking a third of a *** **** bottle of whisky, comes and tells me he’s not enjoying it; “have I got gin?” If they find his dish I’m going to shove it up his ass!! ;-) I am absolutely gobsmacked!!!!!"


Actually I'm in a really good mood. I don't win much at raffles and such but this morning I won a free facial!! :-))

I'd better get out of here before Viv notices that I gave her age away lol!

Cláudia said...

Doc, what are you on? lolololol

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

I've long given up on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by some paedophile who happened to be hanging around in the ares. Why Madeleine; why not one of the other or younger children? And where was the DNA evidence that would have been found of an abduction?

The McCanns have got to answer in a Court of law for their neglect of their children for five consecutive nights whilst on holiday in Portugal, and hopefully their tapas friends who are equally culpable in that respect.

I still think that the overdose theory is the more feasible, but of course we cannot be 100% sure until we get the final outcome of the PJ's investigations, which as you say could be some time yet.

I was reading a long article on the 3A's this morning, setting out verbatim the interview on BBC Channel 4 radio - Woman's Hour - a few months after Madeleine went missing.

It's a programme I listen to quite often but I missed this particular one unfortunately. It's well worth reading again when you get time.

One of the most telling things Kate said was as follows:-

Jenni Murray asked Kate:

Do you sleep at night?:

Kate replies:

"Yes, I do actually. I remember the first 4 or 5 days was ermm... I didn't sleep really, ermm.... as I mention earlier it was very hard to function and all but now I'm fine actually, I don't... I'm usually so tired to be honest by the time we go to bed. But I haven;t had any problems sleeping"!!

Jenni Murray:

"And how will you deal with the fact that it will probably stay with you forever having left Madeleine and her siblings alone?"


Kate said:

"I have actually come to terms a little bit over that Jenni, I mean, you know, I know, ermm.... I know the situation that we were in that night and I mean, I've said all along I didn't think we were taking a risk!! I do feel desperately sorry that I wasn't with Madeleine at that minute when she was taken"!

Kate goes on to say how many people have written to say they had done the same things a 100 times over!!!

-----------------------------------Make of that what you wish but to me that interview speaks volumes of Kate McCann and how little she, and even less Gerry, are genuinely suffering by what happened to their daughter on 2nd or 3rd May 2007!

She only lost 4 to 5 nights sleep!! Can you imagine that if it was your child - I would never have slept again!.....

docmac said...

Hi Viv

I think it should be pointed out the 24 Horas article seems to be suggesting that the English authorities were deeply involved in investigating the McCanns even by the 8th of May and that they may already have been suspicious of the initial stories bandied about by the tapas lot.

This suspicion would appear to have been well-grounded, as we will all remember the reports from much later on saying the Leicester police were entirely satisfied that the PJ were moving in the right direction with regards to treating the parents as the main suspects in a criminal investigation.

docmac said...

Hello Claudia :-) Had a good ziz?

nancy said...

Docmac -

I got a bit lost half way down your post today - I think you and your neighbour must have got well tanked up, but it gave me a good laugh anyway!!

I looked all through the posts on 3A's but none has a heading mentioning wooden floors, so do you have a link to it, or the number?

I know someone said they had read it was a wooden floor - I would think that unusual in a holiday complex, but then this was a private flat (owned by and older someone called McCann I believe), so the floor could very well have been changed from marble to wood! Obviously because falling on a wooden floor would be much more safer than falling on a marble one, if you follow me. Not so many hip replacements needed!!!

By the sound of you and your neighbour, wooden floors could well be more suitable for the pair of you!!!

Just joking of course!!

Catch you later!

Nx

docmac said...

Claudia

How can I put that little thingy on top of the 'a' in docmac so I can be an authentic Porra docmac from Beja?

docmac said...

Nancy

I don't drink whisky. The initial offer of a dram was to calm the old boy down. He parked himself on my couch and poured the rest himself! I was on the computer :-))

docmac said...

Nancy

Wooden floor thread.

nancy said...

Docmac -

Wise man -

Whisky can incur violence in many people, especially when mixed with other stuff. My daughter has worked with alcoholics for some years and she has seen many instances of how people react while drinking whisky! Not nice!
Its best taken as a medicinal thing like brandy,if you have cold or flu, or just to make you sleep!

Thanks for the wood floor thread - much appreciated.

Nx

docmac said...

You're quite right, Nancy. And imagine if the whisky were to be consumed by someone with a rather pugilistic Glaswegian jaw. That could lead to some serious spousal abuse.

You're welcome.

docmac said...

LGC

If you are out there in cyberspace somewhere I have a link I would like you to have a look at. You will just love it.

nancy said...

Docmac -

Precisely !

I've just got through on the wood floor thread. Followed through to a picture on a link from Stella where clearly there is a wooden floor!

It seems the PJ's must have taken up all the wood floor to take forensic evidence and replaced it with a marble one, marble being much easier to come by in Portugal, the same as here in Spain, and relatively cheap!

Of course, that was the lounge they were sitting in, but I'm sure all the floors must have been the same throughout.

marga said...

Doc,
do you mean
docmác
docmàc
docmãc
docmâc.....?

Zodiac said...

The link below from 3 A's LOL!. When I watch the real seasonal film I will think of this send up. PMSL.

http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/share_view/LwixejTTv6Wm75y18sDtfgsh

nancy said...

See you all later:

Off for the afternoon and a quick nap or 'siesta' as they call it hereabouts!


Nx

docmac said...

Nancy yes, the video was pretty convincing too.

Marga :-))))))))

Hi Zodiac, I saw that one too. Hilarious it is.

Just give me a mo and I'll give you another very good one!

docmac said...

Have a look at his!!

docmac said...

even this

marga said...

docmac,

the best options for an alentejano accent should be the last two:-)

Have to leave you.

I'll be back later as I'm going to watch Germany playing.

Doc,
are you celebrating your holiday?

docmac said...

Thanks Marga, but I already knew that, apparently ;-)

No, Marga. It's YOUTH day :-( lol
Enjoy the game!

marga said...

Doc, that tubby inyour link cannot be compared to the other one.
The latter has a better performance:-)

Tchau!

docmac said...

Hang on, it seems there has been a lot of thinking going on and we may be close to a major breakthrough in the case.

by sian Today at 3:28 am
Could madeleine still be in portugal,did she ever leave?Where should be searched?

by kateno.51 Today at 6:46 am
Hi sian.
For some reason I think Madeleine's in Spain. From the beginning I've always thought that she has been taken from Portugal to Spain the night she was abducted. I used to think two people were involved in the abduction, now I think three.

by sian Today at 7:37 am
mmm intresting,may i ask why you think this?i think shes in lisbon myself!


Well, one can't fault the thought processes and amazing intuitive reasoning of this lot, can one? I'm so pleased the McCanns have this sort to rely on. Now where's me snakes n ladders got to?

Cláudia said...

Doc, I was also about to post that as soon as I stopped PMSL! lolololol
Phew, I'm glad the case has been solved and that Madeleine is safe and sound...

docmac said...

Claudia, this Sian reminds me of someone. Hasn't been blessed in the above-neck department either.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I have to confess that that character is the thickest to date although the competition is tough.

viv said...

Hiya All

Nancy: Why do Kate and Gerry McCann stress "we wish we had been there at the moment she was taken". This just does not make sense does it. If a couple had left their children alone and were genuinely remorseful about that they would say "we wish we had never left our children alone". It just sounds like a staged and well rehearsed response to me where they simply do not accept any responsibility, because they know they are 100% responsible for what happened to Madeleine and have so much to hide.


Doc: I have never been in any doubt senior British officers were involved in this case from the outset - Gerry even says so on his blog at the end of May! Even the original GNR officers at the scene found them highly unbelievable given they were immediately insisting she had been abducted but there was no sign of any break-in. The obviously assumed the most likely explanation at that time was, that Madeleine got up and walked off looking for her parents. That would have been the reasonable assumption of negligent parents too, these two were far more than negligent, they have emphasises their own negligence and advertised it to the Wilkins etc. to cover what they really did. Again, if parents were behaving that badly, would they brag to people about it. We recently had a report from one of the waiters that given he never saw the McCanns with their children, he did not even realise they had any. It is clear to me they found the children a nuisance who had to be dumped at every given opportunity because they resented losing their former life style of getting pissed every night and then playing sport during the day to try and work off the ill effects of that lifestyle, which given their profession they know is not exactly healthy. Some time ago I published a picture of Kate and Gerry several years ago, with a table full of drinks and shiny boozy red faces. You are also right to imply that a combination of Gerry's heavy drinking and his personality makes him a very dangerous man. In just about every single domestic violence case I came across, the man was a very heavy drinker or a cocaine user or both - which produces the most extreme violence. People who have an aggressive personality style deliberately choose a substance that hypes them up even more, releasing any inhibitions they have, and so a naturally aggressive and violent person becomes far more so. There is no imagination needed to see the cut above Kate's eye and all those bruises, or the way he controls her speech.

As regards wooden floor, I remember Alsabella telling us that it was and everything she has told us proved to be correct e.g. Kate having a screaming fit at 3 in the morning after being accused by the police of killing Madeleine - Gerry's sister confirmed this! She is a local and I think that may be why she no longer contributes because she knows too much.

In the early stages we read reports in the News of the World where it was freely admitted the comments came directly from Kate and Gerry McCann. Gerry even commented it was his favourite paper, which in the context of being an educated person is extraordinary but not in the context of being Gerry McCann. I clearly remember the News of the World providing us with an "exclusive" after about 6 weeks that the reason the McCanns knew Madeleine had been abducted was because cuddlecat was placed on a high shelf. Only took them 6 weeks to dream that one up and it was quite pathetic in terms of seeking to explain how they could have been so certain. Of course we know there is no high shelf. It was the News of the World who also broke the ridiculous Nan Cooper story about a spooky man who walked in the rain and had the audacity to knock her door asking for charity money! More recently of course the News of the World hire out this newly refurbished apartment and show us it no longer has a wooden floor, well so what! I think it is highly likely the PJ/Brit Police did rip the floor up. I have always wondered whether the twins were heavily sedated because of what they may have witnessed, they often seem to have a sad and distant look on their face, which I find highly odd for children this age, but of course they heard their mom screaming on at least two occasions that we know of, the night before Madeleine went and then again in September and they lost their beautiful big sister. My heart goes out to these innocent babes and what they have had to suffer. Sadly children cannot choose to have decent loving parents, it is very much the luck of the draw and they have been extremely unlucky, not just Madeleine.

docmac said...

Jaysus Viv

That's a well-written piece. You are going to be in trouble over at Barbie®World and the Troll®booth.

viv said...

Hiya Doc

Barbies and Trolls continue to be a source of great amusement:-)))))

I will not be nominating them for any literary awards and they could not argue their way out of a parking ticket!

Luv x

docmac said...

Mum21

I just visited your site again. But you knew that didn't you, because you can see my IP address lol!

Just a bit of friendly advice. On your front page you say the following:
"It would be so easy to use other peoples poems
to compliment my graphics."

I would urge you to ghange the word 'compliment' to 'complement' as it should be. I'm pretty sure you are not that vain. An apostrophe somewhere in the vicinity of the word 'peoples' would not be frowned at either I can assure you.

viv said...

Doc,

Are you implying that Sian may be one and the same person as the delightful Blanz, as you say, not well blessed in the above neck department, lol! There again there was Maudlin7, she of the many ailments..they say she started the blog with them but I never saw her post, mind you I think she has done thousands of posts but has gotten a little tired of it, for some reason.

Strage how the feedjits for them show so many contributions from Holland and Germany!

Viv x

docmac said...

Yeah Viv

Or a homicide.

docmac said...

Im not sayin.

viv said...

Well you know Doc, I am just going to have to be even blunter about Mum 21, she is a racist troll as her posts on the Daily Express confirmed, and I just don't like the woman and can certainly understand why she used to get on with Rosie, but I can also understand why they all keep falling out!

Viv x

viv said...

Doc,

Well the police are just so much more persistent about prosecuting for homicide, they can be a little laissez faire about parking tickets. Different class of offender altogether, over the years even I gathered a couple of parking and speeding fines, not that, that makes me a perfect parent!

Viv x

docmac said...

You know Viv,

You have just reminded me of something. I had the good fortune to have a well-educated lady pop around for dinner the other evening. She's actually a Constitutional Court judge. We were all fooling about after dinner and we 'happened' upon the Barbie® bunch. When she saw the tag 'blog created by blah blah blah blah' or whatever it says she canned herself laughing, saying "do they think they're The Spice Girls or something?"

viv said...

Hiya Doc,

They are too old for Spice Girls, so they admit to being Peter Pan and Tinkerbell types and they never lived in the real world either did they!

I have got masses of real flowers and birds in my garden, fantastic!

Viv x

docmac said...

Oi, who's talking 'old' here ;-)

Ooohh! I see the sassy one thinks your blog is vomit green. Better contact Blogger.com right away and complain then.

docmac said...

ea

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