2 Jun 2008

KIDNAPPING, MURDER, CONCEALMENT OF CORPSE, ABANDONMENT

So how do the Americans views things? Well, quite graphically, it would seem..

































Updated - it is now confirmed that Fiona and David Payne, together with Fiona's mother (who was always scrupulously honest) informed Portuguese Police last July the rest of the group were telling a pack of lies THEY NEVER CHECKED THE CHILDREN, Jane Tanner certainly never saw any bundleman because she never left the table...the burning question is of course why did she seek to suggest there was an "abductor" and just how much trouble is she in for lieing for Kate and Gerry McCann. The Oldfields just left their one year old baby all night, every night. What a rotten bunch of child neglecting LIARS they are and that is not to mention Kate and Gerry McCann..No wonder Rachel Oldfield looked like someone just walked across her grave in that pic in PDL in July, you know when she was trying to stitch Robert Murat up..so you should be terrified you wicked woman. How come Social Services have not taken their children?

Hi All, Below is the report from 24 Horas, dated 29/5/08 in which it is confirmed the McCanns are being investigated for four crimes - kidnapping, murder, concealment of corpse and abandonment, but as yet there are no charges.

Whenever parents have killed their child, unless the circumstances are obvious, which in this case, clearly they are not, they will always be investigated for murder. This does not mean to say that is what they will be charged with, it is clearly possible they could be charged with manslaughter, in Portuguese culpable homicide : Homicídio culposo. However, what quite often happens in UK law is the prosecution go for the more serious charge (murder) and then accept a plea to manslaughter, or it is open to the jury to actually find the accused guilty of manslaughter rather than murder if the prosecution refused to drop the murder charge. If the prosecution can prove evidence of planning or conduct that is wilful and deliberate then it is very possible they accused person will be convicted of murder. The prosecution always look for evidence of the state of mind of the accused before, during and after the crime to decide on the appropriate charge. Here we have a couple who knew little Madeleine was dead but immediately set up a large fund, that is very damaging evidence against them and goes to the issue of their intent and state of mind. Kate's diary is extremely important evidence here. Also possibly a book the police are alleged to have found in the McCanns villa re criminal law and procedure. The deliberate lies/asking their friends to lie for them is also, utterly damning.

, ******* The Times has deliberately misreported ******** to exculpate the McCanns, claiming the official court document only referred to the crime of abandonment.

I believe this is the McCanns latest strategy, they know they are to be charged but would have us believe, only for neglect. Thus they can still insist that Madeleine was abducted and they are hard done by being prosecuted in such circumstances.

It says the door is open to a possible indictment (charging) of the McCanns even though it has not been possible to determine definitively what happened inside the apartment. As Robert Murat is still an Arguido I assume the kidnapping investigation also relates to him, but as we know the PJ indicated they are not intent on prosecuting him by returning all evidence they seised from him. It is ominous the police were also investigating the McCanns for this. In short they knew they either killed her or arranged for her to be abducted. We should remember the police wanted mobile phone evidence and Kate and Gerry McCann have refused to hand it over, including prior to Madeleine going missing. Some people may not want to accept this, but it clearly confirms the police think that planning was involved here, and the fact the McCanns just will not hand it over, tells us the reality I am afraid.


24 Horas go on to point out that The Times also falsely reported this case last summer by indicating the blood found in the hire car was not Madeleine's when in fact, it was. It is truly shocking that a newspaper we all imagine we can respect are falsely reporting on behalf of the McCanns.

The article also confirms my own view that there will be charges by the end of August because that is when secrecy of justice ends and the McCanns will be allowed to see the court file. This is exactly what happens in UK, once a defendant is charged they are allowed to see the police case against them so they can properly prepare their defence. As we know that defence can no longer rely on seeking to discredit the cadaver dog evidence from the American case they sought to rely upon because that man has now confessed he did indeed murder his wife and has been sentenced.

Dolores reported some local news from a man in Rothley. Gerry is sometimes seen going in the local Co-op and going to work but looks really ill. Kate is not seen at all and does not seem to even leave the house...no one sees her and no one speaks to Gerry, he is just ignored. The strain upon them of continuing this charade is clearly immense and they should ask themselves whether it would be better to just face justice as the American suspect did, where two separate cadaver dogs had quite properly located two separate areas where he had dumped his wife's body as he moved it around seeking to avoid detection.

http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.php?numero=2856&link=09
24 Horas 29/5/08

Case COVERS KIDNAPPING, MURDER, CONCEALMENT OF CORPSE AND ABANDONMENT As the 24horas said first hand, the couple McCann is being investigated by four crimes, but has not yet been charged

Judicial Police to investigate the possible occurrence of 4 crimes in Maddie case, as shown a judgement of the Court the ratio of Evora, released Tuesday, at first hand, for 24 hours. Yesterday, the English newspaper "The Times" returned to the subject, citing the same document, to advance that Kate and Gerry McCann can be accused by the Ministry The crime of Public exposure or abandonment of minor, punishable by the Code Criminal with a penalty between 3 and 10 years in prison. According to law, incurred in practice of this crime who endanger the lives of another person, "abandoning - without the defense, always the agent has the duty to save, monitor or watch. "

However, as explained by 24 hours, this is only one of the lines in research. In that case run end in Services the Ministry of Public District of Portimão, is also being investigated by thesis and the possibility of abduction of murder and concealment the corpse. First document which speaks of two theories This is the first official document to admit the existence of two lines Research - and abduction murder - and to "open" the door to a possible indictment of McCann even though there is a failure to reach definitive conclusions about what happened in apartment 5 -- In the Ocean Club. One possibility that the spokesman for McCann, Clarence Mitchell, now called of "contradictory and inconsistent". The interim report of PJ on the disappearance , Madeleine arrived in 11, the prosecutor September last year. Since that time the process has been accompanied by Attorney General district of Evora, Luis Bilro summer, one of the Top of the MP. In the process, which remains in secret, justice until 15, August, were set three defendants: Kate and Gerry McCann and Robert Murat, an English resident in Praia da Luz in Lagos, in Algarve ■

ERROR. The improper interpretation of the judgement of the Court made by "The Times" newspaper is not the first serious mistake that the newspaper withgreat prestige has committed in the Maddie case. In summer, 2007,on the cover, it announced that the traces of blood found in the McCann's car were not fromMaddie, when came to know after it, they were.

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viv said...

This is what we are still getting when trying to access 3 Arguidos and there are currently some incredibly savage attacks ongoing against me and this site, including, plants like Gina/Bianca requesting membership, creating havoc and then going running back to the Supertroll and the Pink Trolls when they inevitably get barred. I would ask people to consider what is going on given how serious things are now looking for Kate and Gerry McCann.

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viv said...

Not sure who this was on the Pink Blog (guess what they immediately barred him/her) but good post:-)))

Well yes, just what are the chances!!


Wake up all of you
by The Truth Today at 12:21 am

WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF....

An abduction of a child in the Iberian Peninsula?

Chances of an abductor doing a practice run the night before?

Chances that Kate McCann was involved with 6 bodies in the week before the holiday?

The chances of an abduction at night from a holiday apartment in Portugal?

What are the chances of a modern police force with access to forensic evidence suspecting the wrong people?

What are the chances of an abductor leaving no forensic evidence two nights in a row?

What are the chance of people who leave children alone in an apartment leaving doors unlocked, but forgetting they had when the issue of the abductor's entry is first raised?

Chances of turning down the resort's maid service the same day of your child's abduction?

Chances of turning down the resort's offer of a free babysitter the same day of your child's abduction?

chances of ANYONE leaving their child again when you know they were crying when you left them the previous night?

What are the chances of your almost 4 year old daughter stating that she had "the best day ever " 3 hours before she disappears?

What are the odds that the McCanns and all of their seven friends were not wearing watches? or had their mobiles with them?

What are the chances of the Portuguese police offering a "deal" which would be impossible under Portuguese Law?

The chances of Eddie and Keela (cadaver dogs) making a mistake?

What are the chances of a key witness, a close friend of the suspects, having lied in key testimony but NOT in cahoots with the suspects?

What are the chances of having your wallet, sports bag oh and your child, all stolen? - all in seperate incidents? Not to mention a mysteriously disappearing buggy.

What's the odds on getting a backer worth 350 million who offers a Government employee a job as your spokesman?

Chances of hiding behind a door that opens against a wall?

Chances of an abductor making his getaway on foot, carrying a sleeping child in pyjamas (not suspicious at all, happens all the time)?

Chances of entering an apartment through the door - with a key - and exiting through the window - I'm sparing you the details of the (impossible) window exit?

What's the odds on an innocent parent refusing to help the investigating police by answering questions and taking part in a reconstruction?

What are the odds of her being taken in the ONLY 5 minute window of opportunity when there was nobody checking (As stated by Gerry)?

....By an Abductor/Predator who then hovers by waiting for his 5 minute opportunity yet then decides to walk straight past the top of the road in full view 'Striding purposefully' in front of Jane Tanner?...

.....Who can see a small print pattern on PJ's from xx amount of feet away from her that I couldnt even make out when shown the print close up on TV?...

What's the odds of Jane Tanner having eyes in the back of her head?.....If she saw him as she was heading to the Tapas Bar...?

the odds of a mother who said she did not disturb evidence and knew the "abductor" had moved cuddle cat ,actually holding it washing it when that could have had the "abductors" prints on or dna?

What are the odds of the PJ not finding any prints of the twins or Madeleine?

What are the chances that, when someone in the group is asked to phone the police at 10.15pm but the police say the first call came in at 10.40pm, that its just a misunderstanding?

What are the chances that the parents of an abducted child keep forgetting to mention the £2m reward for her safe return during their TV appeals?

What are the chances of the parents of an abducted child not complaining vociferously about and sacking a detective agency if they endangered the life of their child by announcing the location of their kidnapped child and her imminent rescue - not once but on at least two separate occasions?

What are the chances of the parents staying in the apartment and praying while everyone else searched long into the night for the 'abducted' child?

The odds of NOT showing ANY HEARTFELT EMOTION at all for their little child missing?...

And the parents happily left the 2 two-year-olds in the care of the resort creche the next day - despite the fact that any member of staff could have been involved.


What are the chances of nine/ten people dining at the Tapas bar, and not ONE of them thinking that leaving their children/babies was wrong.


What are the chances that lots of your possessions get stolen,3 year old child,wallet,buggy and blue bag.


What are the chances of all the kids ,of all the families ,falling a sleep at approximatly the same time, and none of them waking up????

What are the chances of promoting the one distinctive feature, her eye defect that would surely
endanger your child's life by making her value to a potential abductor too risky and too hot to
handle? -Against the advice of the police.

What are the chances of a mother running away from the scene, leaving two, two year olds exposed to the very same abductor?

What are the chances despite doors being left unlocked, it was never suspected by the parents that the child ''hopefully'' might have merely wandered off

That the finger of suspicion was pointed at another (Robert Murat) by three of the group, until the likeness of one of the group was observed.


What are the chances of the parents happily leaving the 2 two-year-olds in the care of the resort creche the next day - despite the fact that any member of staff could have been involved.

What are the chances of ALL of the British Embassy staff in Portugal who were there at the time leaving in a very short space of time?


Two country's police forces..
Ex Sas officers..
30 private detectives..
The backing of a raft of millionaires..
Government intervention..
A blessing by the Holy Father..
A £2m reward..
An unprecedented 'awareness' campaign..
A £1m 'fighting fund' donated by the public..
The unstinting support of the British media..
Interpol..
The interest of the European parliament..
The recognition of White House officials..
The world's best sniffer dogs..
The world's most respected forensic scientists ..

... and still not a single lead ! ... still not a single clue turned up to support the abductor theory !

What are the odds on THAT ?


ANSWER...

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1

viv said...

The misleading article from The Times clearly implying McCanns are only being investigated for neglect:

From The TimesMay 29, 2008

Madeleine McCann's parents investigated for neglect
Madeleine McCann, who went missing when on holiday with her family in the Algarve, Portugal

David Brown
Read the edited transcript of the judgment

The parents of Madeleine McCann are being investigated for possibly neglecting their daughter on the night she disappeared from their Portuguese holiday apartment, it has been revealed.

The first published court ruling on the Madeleine case confirms that the police inquiry covers homicide, abandonment, concealment of a corpse and abduction.

The reference to “abandonment” suggests that Portuguese detectives are investigating if there is evidence that Kate and Gerry McCann were negligent in leaving their daughter alone on the night she was reported missing. The charge carries a maximum 10-year jail sentence.


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Mr and Mrs McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have strenuously denied negligence and said they were just 50 yards away at the time their daughter was taken.

The court ruling also reveals that the public prosecutor wants access to the content of text, audio and video messages from 10 mobile telephones believed to belong to Kate and Gerry McCann and seven of their British friends.

Investigators are particularly interested in the content of 18 text messages allegedly sent from an unidentified mobile number to Mr McCann between May 2 and 4 last year. They also want details of all calls made between members of the group between 8pm on May 3 and midday of the following day.

Madeleine was reported missing at 10pm on May 3 from her bedroom at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz. Her parents and their friends had been dining at a Tapas restaurant while Madeleine and her twin 18-month-old siblings were asleep.

The investigation has been covered by Portugal’s strict laws on judicial secrecy which meant that even Mr and Mrs McCann, who were made official suspects last September, have been unable to access details of the inquiry or any evidence against them.

However, details of the investigation have emerged in a court judgment, seen by The Times, after prosecutor Magalhães e Meneses was refused access to the content of the group’s telephone messages.

He had requested a “complete listings of all telephone traffic to calls made to and from” numbers between April 28, when the group arrived in Portugal, and September 9, when the McCanns left the country. He also sought details of the locations of the mobile telephones which would allow detectives to recreat the movement of the group.

The request for access to the messages was rejected by instructional judge Pedro Frias at the court in Portimão. He said it would breach the right to privacy and that Portuguese law did not allow for the retrospective interception of telephone calls.

The Évora Supreme Court of Justice has now rejected the prosecutor’s appeal and published its reasons, giving the first glimpse into the investigation.

Judge Fernando Ribeiro Cardoso rejected the application, saying: “The details of the content of the messages can only be objected to interception in real time, with due judicial authorization.”

Portuguese police had hoped to stage a reconstruction of the events surrounding Madeleine’s disappearance tomorrow. However, they have been forced to abandon the re-enactment after some of the McCanns friends said they could not see the value in returning to Portugal to take part.

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, said: “We are pleased to see that the investigation covers abduction. Kate and Gerry have had legal advice in both Portugal and Britain which say that everything they did was within the boundaries of reasonable behaviour.”

He said that Mr McCann had no knowledge of the texts referred to on May 3 and 4 and had received only a few calls on his mobile in the six days the family had been in Portugal prior to Madeleine disappearance.

viv said...

The Times also offer us an "edited" version of the court ruling, but even this of course confirms the prosecutor wanting details of calls and texts BEFORE Madeleine went missing, again, I would say proving they clearly are investigating murder (prior planning would demonstrate intent). A full version of the transcript is available via Joanna Morais blog. It clearly lists the crimes being investigated and so there is no excuse, is there!

From Times OnlineMay 28, 2008

Edited transcript of the judgment
Edited judgment from the Tribunal da Relação de Évora in the investigation of Madeleine McCann
(PA)
Madeleine McCann went missing in the Algarve
David Brown
Judge: Ribeiro Cardoso

1. In the case files pending in the Public Prosecution Services in which they are investigating the disappearance of M.M. and the eventual carrying out of the crimes of abduction, homicide, exposure or abandonment of a child and concealment of a corpse, the prosecutor in charge of the case under investigation

The Penal Procedural Code, promoted, amongst other operations, a request of the 3 national mobile telephone operators (TMN, Vodafone and Optimus) for digital support (CD or DVD) of the complete listings of telephone traffic to calls received and made in the period of time between April 28 2007 until September 9 2007, including cellular location and trace-back, as well as all calls on roaming and SMS and MMS messages and their respective content, for the following telephone numbers: (Ten telephone numbers follow)

- Telephone number as yet unidentified which during May 2 2007 sent 14 written SMS messages to G.M. and another 4 on the day following M.M.’s disappearance.


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- The request from mobile telephone operator TMN, the dispatch on digital support (CD or DVD), the complete listing of telephone traffic referring to the calls received and carried out in the period of time between 20H00M of May 3 2007 and 12H00M of May 4 2007, including cellular location and trace-back, as also all calls on roaming and SMS and MMS messages and their respective content, of the following mobile numbers:

2. However, the Instructional Judge, by ruling of 24.09.2007, did not authorise the dispatch on digital support (CD or DVD) of the content of any message sent or received by SMS or MMS pertinent to all the above referred telephone numbers, as he concluded, such would mean attaining knowledge of the content of telephone conversation or communication already carried out, without the previous judicial authorization ruling, and because there is no legal support for such a request.

3. Refusing to accept this ruling, the prosecutor interposed the present appeal:

“i) – We present our dissent to Criminal Instructional Judge’s ruling - namely the part in which he did not authorise “the dispatch on digital support (CD or DVD) of the content of any message sent or received by SMS or MMS.

ii) – There is no reason to distinguish, as the judge did, between the two types of communication – content of SMS and MMS messages and listings of telephone traffic pertinent to the calls received and carried out. Where the law does not distinguish, nobody else may.

iii) – The right to protection against the invasion of privacy or intimacy runs no bigger risk or being violated by the access to the content of SMS and MMS messages than the knowledge of the precise circumstances of time, place, method and frequency of the calls received and made.

iv) – If the procedural law makes reference to the use of communications already carried out, it is to expressly authorize those, as defined linear and unequivocally in number 1 of article 189th of the Penal Procedural Code.

v) - In order to preserve the right to protection against the invasion of the privacy or intimacy of the communicants of the SMS or MMS messages in the case under appraisal, protecting, via judicial surveillance, any abusive invasion to that intimacy

vi) – In not authorizing the access to the content of the SMS and MMS messages, the ruling violated the dispositions of articles 179th, 187th and 189th of the Penal Procedural Code.

In these terms, revoking the appealed ruling and ordering its substitution with another which requests of the three national mobile telephone operators the dispatch on digital support (cd or dvd) of the content of any message sent or received by SMS or MMS and their respective content of all telephone numbers.”

5. The judge maintained the ruling, stating, essentially, the following:

“To attain knowledge of the content of communications carried out by SMS or MMS, because they are communications carried out by telephone, one must necessarily obtain a previous judicial authorization and it must result from interception carried out and authorized by that ruling, pertinent to the ongoing communication.


Madeleine McCann: the key questions
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Background
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Madeleine McCann: the global reaction
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Video: McCann family start holiday

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In my point of view and with due respect one cannot compare detail of traffic (those pertinent to listings of numbers dialed and received) with detail of content (pertinent to the content of the communication made – the words exchanged) with intent to treat them in the same way, due to their nature. It is not the same to know that on day X, at a certain hour, a communication was established between numbers Z and K, in a specific locale (traffic detail) and knowing what was said, arranged or discussed.

As there is no mobile phone legally apprehended, I also think it is not legal to use the rules pertinent to the apprehension of correspondence, running the risk of, in such a way, relegating the demands placed upon the interception of undergoing correspondence, which is what would happen if one was to order the operator to dispatch the content of those communications carried out via telephone, even if technically possible.

Finally, the statement “recorded on digital support” refers to the communications carried out by a different technical means than that of the telephone, ie. E-mail, in real time, via information network, etc, therefore, with due respect, such has no application herein”

8. Matter to be examined

In view of the motivations presented by the appealer, the matter to be decided is simply establishing whether it is permissible or not to request of the three national mobile telephone operators to dispatch on digital support (cd or dvd) the content of any message sent or received by SMS or MMS and their respective content pertinent to all the telephone numbers with reference to the period of time therein indicated.

9. In view of that exposed, we rule the appeal interposed by the public prosecutor, unfounded, consequently maintaining the appealed ruling.

Évora, 2008.04.29

Fernando Ribeiro Cardoso

viv said...

viv said...
I thought the above post was really good, but of course Rosiepops did not agree and pretends she has a proper forum with her pompous Daily Express type "discipline". Thing is Psychopops, Daily Express used to get about 1000 posts a day, not three you jumped up little nobodyxxxxxxx
PS I am not accusing them of murder, the police are, did you not read the court judgment? Silly billy x
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Ecolab said...

What is happening? Got 3 messages hacked?

mariana said...

Hi Ecolab

I don't know. The trolls must br going crazy.

ratonthebeam said...

Don't forget to launder the CUDDLECAT!!!!!

Hello again Mamajean!

Hello again Docmac! I am still fighting with that CSS problem of yours! Don't worry, I will have it licked eventually! I have never been defeated by a style-sheet yet! :-)

We are also still working very hard on the technical problems at the 3As but don't worry. The guy we have got is The Best In The Business. If anyone can get it going again, he can!

Still cannot believe there is no movement on this bloomin' case yet. To be honest, it is just getting frustrating now, and I am fed up waiting for something to happen. I have no doubt that it will, I just wish it would come soon.

For all our sakes.

Ecolab said...

Hi Mariana.
This mean they are trying to hack their way into Viv`s page hmnnn...
I`ll send the messages again:

1)
Viv darling:

As I understand – there has been a fire at the server, where the 3 A is belonging to. This can happen!
I know too, they have had some disagreements amongs the moderators. That one moderator has gone and taken something with him. This can happen too, among so many moderators!
I suppose it will NOT happen between you two, even that you do disagree on many things?
Regarding yesterday/ Bianca : What took you so long, Viv – a nice guy again? In that case you are forgiven ;-))
BUT a she or a he will be back pleeding for a membership. I think, that is all they can do. Behave like a troll.


2)
SuperTroll is trying to take the credit for what happend at 3 A! Typical for a swollen head!

Yesterday I picked this up at ST blog from an anon of`course:
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”I wont say i told you this would happen, but i did! said...

The 3 A's Gone - Good.

I hope those that migrate do not get too comfortable on vile's, hers is next.

Be afraid Viv, be very afraid.

I 'never' make empty threats and I keep my word, as you no doubt have realised and will learn again very soon!

01 June 2008 15:41”
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mariana said...

Hi Ecolab

I think so. Yesterday there was a person with 2 usernames, one was Bianca, the other I do not remember and then Viv said something about a number 23 something trying to get back in.

ratonthebeam said...

Pay attention, please! Ecolab is on the right lines. It is a bit more complex than that, but that is the general idea.

ST is talking through their a*se, as usual.

The 3As is not going anywhere and neither is this blog.

End of.

viv said...

Hiya all

what criminal thugs "be afraid viv" they are so pathetic. They have been telling me they are closing this blog for 6 months now, what a bunch of sad, stupid people.

dolores said...

Viv
Sorry about the length of this,from SOS Madeleine


A poll conducted in the UK among a thousand businessmen in the framework of an international summit (Leaders in London International Leadership Summit) reveals that the three most influential personalities in the country (after Her Majesty the Queen) Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and billionaire Richard Branson.

A tiercé winner was found, in that order behind the parents of Madeleine, the small British disappeared in one of the most peaceful villages of the south side of Portugal.
The results of this survey have the merit of helping to understand how - and possibly why - a couple seemingly harmless, continues to taunt justice of two sovereign and democratic states, ranging up to the point of refusing to help investigators, Portuguese and British, to elucidate the fate of Madeleine, their own child.

Since the disappearance of Madeleine, in May 2007, her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, have received support beyond the norms of the two men most influential overseas race: former Prime Minister Tony Blair and his party colleague Gordon Brown, the current occupant of 10 Downing Street.This is the support of the first two which would have motivated the financial implications of the third.

Ont found Tony Blair and Gordon Brown to the origin of the instructions given to Ambassador John Buck and the consul Bill Henderson, - the two most senior British diplomacy in Portugal at the time of the disappearance of Madeleine - ordering them to pay hand to Gerry and Kate McCann.

It Ambassador John Buck, had made the journey from Lisbon to the Algarve after having alerted the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Portuguese Director of the Judicial Police about the disappearance, even before the GNR or Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of the PJ Portimão to be called on the spot by a call past the Ocean Club to 22: 45.

An act of disappearance

Strangely, John Buck is leaving his post in Portugal, putting an end to his career within the British diplomacy, September 10, 2007, the day after the escape of Kate and Gerry McCann to the UK after being designated as arguidos ( Suspects).

Before him two other British diplomats had already left their posts, the consul Bill Henderson and Sheree Dodd, sent by the Foreign Office under specific request of Blair.It will be replaced by Clarence Mitchell after a few discrepancies about McCann, their behaviour and lack of cooperation with investigators Portuguese and the British police.

Bill Henderson creates surprise and announced his resignation, he retires at the end of August, just days before the start of interrogations that led to the couple McCann their status arguidos.

After their departure, Celia Edwards become British consul for the Algarve.She accompanies Kate and Gerry McCann during their interrogation the Judicial Police in September 2007.

John Buck was replaced by Alexander Wykeham Ellis, the ambassador that was presented in Portimão on the same day the return of inspectors from the PJ after a trip to Enderby. Married to a Portuguese, with a deep knowledge of it to Portugal or exercised functions between 1992 and 1996, he arrived from Brussels where he worked with the President of the European Commission, Durão Barroso.

On several occasions, Tony Blair to use his prerogatives and contacts to enable the couple McCann to be received by the authorities of countries selected to launch the Madeleine Fund, including the Vatican or they met Pope Benedict XVI and stayed in the residence Official the British ambassador, Francis Campbell, a privilege that is only accessible to guests.

It is Blair in person until June this year, in a telephone interview with the couple, is subject to maintain and strengthen its assistance saying that McCann should not hesitate to call him to wherever it may be useful.A support that is keeping still, despite the situation of parents of Madeleine face of the official investigation in the disappearance of their daughter.

With the arrival of Gordon Brown, support for the British government become more intense but also more visible, and the new prime minister does not hesitate to admit that personally spoke by telephone with Gerry McCann about the investigation, as it does so at the end of May.The same day, almost official British authorities are lobbying the PJ so that it disclose publicly more information about the case.

It was he that on several occasions take the initiative to call journalists about the case McCann, highlighting these contacts with the Portuguese authorities.That is what he does on June 9, 2007 on the occasion of the visit of Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates in London under the rotating presidency of the European Union.

Before the 10 Downing Street, Gordon Brown is concerned, before the British media, stressed that the McCann case was discussed with José Socrates who said he will have been asked for a maximum cooperation to help Kate and Gerry McCann.

In September, until their designation as arguidos, the couple McCann appealed to Gordon Brown and David Miliband, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, asking them to intervene because they said they were victims of "injustice".By the way, the Foreign Office is described, September 10, as "on fire" in its efforts to help McCann.

In Lisbon, in October 2007, excluding that Kate and Gerry McCann are still arguidos in investigating the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, is still Gordon Brown who surprends journalists during a press conference announcing that he will once to address the situation of McCann and the state of the investigation conducted by the Judicial Police in cooperation with the British police.

At the same time, the United Kingdom, a police officer reported difficulties with the Home Office on the British part of the investigation.

A council warned

Despite a public opinion increasingly against the McCann, qu'oblige even some media no longer accept comments about the case in December, when the Treaty of Lisbon, is once again David Miliband and Gordon Brown who take advantage of this opportunity to broach the subject with several members of the Portuguese Government, including Jose Socrates, this time away from the media and in the greatest secrecy.

It is also the firm of Gordon Brown's suggestion that came to reduce the presence of the couple McCann media and campaign Find Madeleine, as confirmed by a source close to the McCann family.

The advisers Gordon Brown are concerned with the possibility of the next stages of investigating the disappearance of Madeleine, which followed a new line of inquiry, can produce results that could damage the image of the Prime Minister, of its relationship with Gerry McCann.This was revealed by Gazeta Digital and SOS Madeleine August 26, 2007.

The generous financial support of Richard Branson, which supplements the tiercé winner, becomes all the more understandable when have known its relations with Tony Blair.

By the way, the former Labour Party leader and prime minister, a dedicated defender of Kate and Gerry McCann, had the opportunity to discuss the topic during his recent meeting with Richard Branson on his private island, or they were accompanied by Elon Musk (Paypal), Larry Page (Google) and Jimmy Wales (Wikipedia), among others…

But financial assistance McCann does not stop there.Again thanks to the excellent contacts of his friends, the couple receives financial assistance from Stephen Winyard, Brian Kennedy and JK Rowling, also among the most influential women of the United Kingdom.

At the gates of heaven

Another interesting and revealing episode took place on September 12, when Justine McGuinness and David Hughes, adviser to press for McCann, accompanied by the powerful Angus McBride, maintain meetings with editors-in-chief of most British newspapers.

During its meetings, it was explained to editors-in-chief that the fact that the Portuguese police could not find the body of Madeleine would make impossible any conviction by a court, even if McCann were formally charged and tried.Les McCann launch at the same time, a huge challenge to the Portuguese police: "Find the body of Madeleine and prove that we have killed" as the Daily Mail wrote in its issue du jour.

mariana said...

Hi Viv

Stupid people that should be ignored. Is this Bianca an Aussie?

Ecolab said...

Mariana hi

She says, she is an aussie. I don`t know. She might be from Outer Space, as far as I`m concerned. Milder Form of Galoping Paranoia

ratonthebeam said...

I do genuinely think Bianca was in Oz - just from the times, the way she worded things, odd bits and pieces here and there. Just like I thought Gina was genuinely in Spain, and that was one of the reasons I thought they could not be the same person.

Mind you over this weekend I have had my eyes opened Big Time and it is difficult to know who or what to believe anymore......

....and sadly, I think it will get worse before it gets better. :(

ratonthebeam said...

The big post at the top "What Are The Chances" is from Tigger's leaflet, that some people were downloading and distributing. I think I have it saved on another laptop at home. I'll try and find it and upload it to photobucket or something for you all to see.

Ecolab said...

RatOnTheBeam ;-))

I think, you have to use your common sence.Remember my story about The Rat?

People sometime seem to forget, that this is NOT about The McCanns, but about Justice for a little girl.

For 13½ month the McCanns have shown the world, that they have a little stone in their shoes.
What is comming to them is their own fault. They couldnt have asked for anything more(or less).

*Take the slipper off and get rid of the stone!*

Madeleine cant get rid of her stone, can she?


*Justice for Maddie*

mariana said...

Ecolab ROB

Could she be Spanish Australian?
Mo matter, I am sick of the morons but as you say ROB it will get worse.
Watch out guys, they throw Trojan viruses and I have had more than my fair share.

Stella said...

ROTB

It feels like things have recently turned very sinister, now that they have lost the battle they are going to make sure they go down taking as many people with them and causing as much trouble as they can.

If they are looking for revenge, which by the way is a double edge sword, they have picked on the wrong bunch of people, let me tell you this. They might have financial backing, but we have fighting spirit, oh...so... much stronger.....

Let the scum bring it on. I wonder if anyone in the media would like to know about this. I think it is time I made a few phone calls !

ratonthebeam said...

Ecolab, rats DO fight on to the end, they are bl00dy dangerous when cornered, and the gloves are well and truly off now, to quote Mr Pink!

marga said...

Hi everyone!

I've just read yesterday's posts and it seems the pros infiltrated here again.
As far as I can remember I was the first one here suspecting about Gina when she began to post after Alsa's blog went silent. I even asked her if she was the Real Gina. Yesterday's poster CDP cannot be Bianca from the DX.IMO

marga said...

Mr Parsons has written again on the case.
McCANN POLICE ARE GUILTY OF CRUELTY

I wonder why he is not attacking the PJ that miserable way he did before. Perhaps he already knows he has got to pay for his defamation articles against Amaral and the J in general??!!

Stella said...

I like the old saying, if it looks like a fish and it smells like a fish, it is probably a fish!

It was the use of some very fishy phrases that always makes them stand out and when you ask them a direct question they go straight on the attack, every single time. They are very predictable, well they would be, they are all trying to sing from the same song sheet.

Don't worry guys, I have all of your best interests at heart and will let you know every time who to watch out for.

These dodgy accounts are not always being written on by the same person, by the way. The tone and train of thought changes, so I can tell that more than one person is signing in and sharing some of these accounts.

mariana said...

Stella
I got a whole collection of Trojans as proof, that my system has fought off. I might as well send it to some media in the UK for them to see.

Joe said...

This from the the troll Parsons who appears incapable of seeing that the McCanns have NEVER co operated yet the PJ should just de Arguido them?

He calls him self a journalist. No a nasty little troll out of his depth.

.................................

McCANN POLICE ARE GUILTY OF CRUELTY
Tony Parsons 2/06/2008

Related Articles
Kate and Gerry McCann could still face charges of neglect, according to the first published court ruling on the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

Official documents in Portugal show that the police there have not yet ruled out bringing such charges. This hardly feels like a positive step in either finding Madeleine, or discovering what happened to her.

In the course of their 13-month investigation, the Portuguese police have failed to come up with any answers at all about the disappearance.

It's unforgivable that they have not removed the weight of suspicion from Kate and Gerry, who have paid an unimaginably high price for eating dinner 50 yards from where their children slept. One more question for the bungling plods of Portugal. Haven't these people suffered enough?

Stella said...

Mariana

They have been on mine as well. I have more than one computer, so if they take one down I will be straight on the other.

I agree with you by the way about Bianca. From day one I said she was not the same one as on DE, and she has never let me forget it. They say the truth always hurts. There will be others, but just like other irritating little weeds, you can easily get rid of them.

mariana said...

Stella

I am glad they didn't get you either. I too have more than one and I have turned them all into fortresses.

Stella said...

ROTB

The other day just before 3A's went down, when I was trying to access the site I was being redirected to another website about forums. This is what I am getting today, the other web site, should I be getting this?

marga said...

Joe,
pseudo jornalist.However, he must know he has to refrain himself ...

marga said...

All those trolls that come here have certain common features in their writing. One of them has denounced troll gina to me right from the beginning.Yesterday's troll was concerned about her/his spelling mistakes and linguistic accuracy.

mariana said...

Stella
Be careful, I have just tried the 3A's and I am not getting another site.
This is part of what I got: "The site will be unavailable for at least 24 hours and possibly a little longer. In the meantime - please be careful about posting on other similar sites."

Joe said...

Hello Marga,

That piece he wrote is embarrassing not in the least balanced. Can he really be that stupid? His article is naive, nasty and ridiculous.

ratonthebeam said...

You should be seeing a message, Stella, that says -
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Due to a series of technical issues (including a fire at theHost's Server Base) the site has been unavailable for approximately 24 hours. The Server provider regret this but assure you that they are working very hard to resolve the problems.

The site will be unavailable for at least 24 hours and possibly a little longer. In the meantime - please be careful about posting on other similar sites.

Check back here frequently - we hope to be back with you soon and will be here to stay in order that those seeking to discuss the case and seek Justice for Madeleine can have their forum.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ANYTHING ELSE - EVEN A SITE THAT "LOOKS" LIKE THE 3AS - IS NOT OFFICIAL.

SO PLEASE DO NOT POST ON IT!

I will of course come back and tell you when the 3As is back up and stable, and when it will be safe to post to it again.

Stella said...

Marga

When someone who is asked a perfectly reasonable question, after all this is an open discussion, and they turn on you, you have to ask yourself why? Did you ask the wrong question? Did you catch them out? What really gets me is they always have to repeatedly claim to be fighters of child neglect, have you ever noticed that? The true fighters against child neglect never ever have to repeat themselves, and you all know who I am talking about...

marga said...

You're right Joe. He is all that you say, but this time it seems he knows he is being watched and that he all that disgusting rubbish he wrote last year is going to cost him a big summ of money.He still continues to defend the wonder couple but in a smoother language.

ratonthebeam said...

The man is an a*sehole of the first degree. He obviously can't work a tape measure either. 50 yards indeed!

Stella said...

ROTB / Mariana

I thought something was not right, bearing in mind I only started using 3A's to post in the last few days, it kept trying to divert me to another forum. Now this is all I get. It has a blue and orange front and it plays a musical tune. Do you think it is safe to keep opening it up or should I stop trying until you give us a new link?

Cláudia said...

The Parsons arsehole again? Glad to see he has wateched his tongue. We don't want him to become poor, do we?

mariana said...

Stella
Please trying using a proxy. It is much safer and of course the use of a link scanner will go along way protecting you.

Di said...

Afternoon Viv and all

I go away for a few days,look back in and can't believe what I am reading.Viv threatened, 3As down, Trolls working overtime and people using several IDs.

All I can say is someone is very very worried. Isn't it amazing to think so few of us can cause so much trouble in the ranks.

As far as I am concerned it makes me want to fight even harder for Madeleine.

By the way, some excellent posts.

ratonthebeam said...

No Stella. Close it down. Empty your browser cache (Tools, Internet Options, Delete Temporary Files, Delete All Offline Content).

Make sure your Antivirus is up to date and run a full scan. RIGHT NOW.

Then try the 3As again. You should see a pink box with a blue heading and the message I showed you.

In fact I would ask EVERYONE to run a full AV scan and make sure your firewalls are switched on. I don't want anyone to panic, but better safe than sorry!

marga said...

Sorry for the typos.
This week is the last term at my school and I'm quite tired.

You're right. Moreover, they also make you compliments and repeat how much they admire you, etc.

They say they are fighters against child neglect because like Mr Parsons they do not understand what the Mc Canns did as that. They keep saying" they were only 50 yards from where the children slept for eating dinner".

That way they can defend the Mc Canns too.

marga said...

My last post was addressed to you, Stella-

ratonthebeam said...

well they don't keep making ME compliments Marga, they keep saying I'm a prat! LOLOLOLOL!!!!

Stella said...

Rat

Thanks for that, will do it right now. Be back soon.

marga said...

Cláudia,

have you also noticed how that Parsons clown is keeping his tail between his legs?LOL

mariana said...

Hey Marga
He is still stuck with the 50 yards.

marga said...

Rat,
LOL

I was referring to the troll that yesterday said how great Viv and others are...

Cláudia said...

Marga, yes, I have. I think it is wise of him. Or soon he will setting up a fund too. A "pay Gonçalo Amaral" fund! lololol

marga said...

50 is a good no to memorise.

Cláudia,

did you watch yesterday's BBC programme on sic notícias on the Welsh man with 20 children?

marga said...

LOL

Well, all those British "journalists" should sit together and discuss the advantages of setting up that fund.
They could also ask team Mc Cann for advice...

Cláudia said...

I didn't watch it yesterday. I watched it another time. But I couldn't see it till the end.

docmac said...

Hi Rat

Thanks for your message last night. I hope you can sort it out :-)

To be fair I think Stella is talking about the makeforum.org homepage which is obviously not a threat. the3arguidos.makeforum.org takes one to the makeforum homepage. That address was the one that is saved in peoples' favourites, as it was the URL that one was redirected to when typing the3arguidos.net. the3arguidos.net now takes one to the message you mention.

marga said...

Well, I don't know if British posters here have already watched that programme, but I was quite astonished at the way that family is allowed to raise their 16 children in a 3-room house and at their education.

marga said...

The other 4 children are over 16 and are not leaving with their father.They are from a previuos marriage.

marga said...

*living

Cláudia said...

I told my father that in Portugal there is no way social services would allow 16 children to live that way. They would have been removed. And what about the guy selling things to feed his alcoholism?

marga said...

* previous
Well, I give up posting for now . My eyes are really tired of correcting things from school.
But I will read you later. I would like to ask some questions related to that family concerning the education of the children.

Ecolab said...

I`m off to work. See you all later. Take good care out there and remember to turn your firewall on.


*starting electronic trading*

Regards from net - patrol.com

nancy said...

Hi Viv and fellow Madeleine supporters!

Viv -

Your articles and posts today are necessary reminders of what has and is happening thanks! I love the 'what are the chances of' by Tigger! I hope he managed to send his great leaflet to the length and breadth of Britain and to my mind a copy of that should be sent to every newspaper in the UK!!

Just who is this Tony Parsons and what paper does he work for?
He is way out of line saying that the McCanns were only 50 yards away! As the crow flies maybe, but what about the other nights when they went to Chaplins? How far away was that Mr Parsons? Too far to walk with the children, according to the McCanns! Those children weren't only left alone one night you sycophantic simpleton!

Regarding the supposed clones of Gina and Bianca! For myself, I can no way tell if someone is genuinely who he or she is professing to be! All I do know is that Gina did live here on the Costa Blanca because she used to talk about different places, restaurants etc, around here and her finca, and I would swear she knew the place well. If she has reinvented herself since then, I wouldn't know, but obviously some of you are more perceptive than myself.

Bianca too seemed genuine to me, and if she had kept her cool rather than losing it so soon after blogging on, maybe we could have changed her mind as to the false abduction theory . Whether she was the real Bianca or not, as I said, I couldn't tell!

There is no way that Viv can allow us to attack one another on here otherwise we will end up as bad as those we condemn!

At the end of the day, Viv is the one who has to take all the stick and as she is much more au fait with those trying to hoodwink her than myself, I respect her decision of who and who not to have as a member.

What I do know is when I have visited the troll site (twice so far) they have insulted Viv to a disgraceful degree and they are not the sort of people I would want to deal with quite honestly, so I'll stay here until Madeleine gets the justice she deserves.


Nx

marga said...

The children were saying they don't attend school. they only do the exams at the end of the school year. how is that possible? they spend all day at home or on the street selling things to get money for their father's addiction or stealing things and learning how to become a robber. I had the feeling that authorities are behaving permissively and those children are not being supervised by them.

marga said...

eco,
have a good day.
Thanks for the warning!

Cláudia said...

Marga, exactly.
I also have to go to work.
See you all later!

marga said...

Nancy,
that pseudo jornalist works for the Mirror and wrote some disgusting articles about Gonçalo Amaral referring to his drinking and eating habits as well as to his appearance.
As they could not deny Amaral's intelligence and gut feelings they began to attack him on a personal basis.
I'm glad GA is taking him and others to trial and they will have to pay for defamation.

marga said...

Bye, Claudinha!

Bom trabalho!

nancy said...

Just for the record - this is what I sent to the DX on the 30th May, and their reply of today:

"to whom it may concern at the DE -

You sent many of us packing from the Madeleine forum because we didn't toe the pro McCann line, for little or no reasons. I was accused of stuff which was complete and utter balderdash!
I used to blog on many of your forums - the McCann story is not the only one that interests me - but you lost this blogger and I certainly don't intend to return, especially as you succumbed to pressure and paid out to the now known 'defendants', the McCanns, and now no newspaper in the UK, apart from the Sun, a rag which I detest, has the guts to go into this case with the determination it deserves, to get justice for a three year old child who is still missing and whose parents won't give her the time of day and return for a reconstruction, after they told the world that no stone would be left unturned!

When you show the courage that your newspaper boasts about, I will start blogging on your forums again and buy your newspaper, but until then I won't be logging on!"

They replied:

"Hi Nancy,

Many thanks for your honest comments which we have taken on board.

Obviously regarding the case of the McCanns we were forced to be cautious with comments due to legal reasons above our control.

Thanks for e-mailing us and for reading express.co.uk.

With kind regards - The Web Team"
----------------------------------
Perhaps things are beginning to turn round with this climb down by the DX!!

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

Stella said...

Nancy

What a great post you made to DE, well done. I could not bother with Geoff Marsh, he's more like a marshmellow to me, to soft in the middle, he needs a backbone...

Am I glad to be back on here. I went off to do a full system scan, no problems reported thank goodness, but then google was stopping me from getting on here. It said try again in 30 seconds, what is that all about??

Stella said...

Viv

In your article today it mentions the PJ looking to get their hands on phone records before the holiday took place with regards to planning all this in advance?

Could it be that the PJ from those phone records could also try to establish that this was not a normal booked family holiday, but perhaps a short break tagged onto a business trip?

Could other people involved in this possible business trip be the 10th person?

Could they have helped in the aftermath in any way?

Could the company involved be top secret for political reasons i.e., nuclear or drugs ???

Have the PJ got their hands on the original booking forms for the whole group? Or, did they all book seperately, I wonder...

Stella said...

Just go to go quick, will be back later...

Joe said...

I could not get on this site for ages so excuse me for posting re an earlier issue ie that so called Journalist Parsons.

In the piece of his that I posted earlier he is typical of what we have read for the last year. Inaccurate,biased and totally incomplete.

That is the problem, the public would go with that piece in the old days and think it is true. Wake up The Mirror, NOTW, Express, The SUN and the rest. Printing such utter rubbish only further demeans your tacky papers as the whole world knows it was not 50 yards yet this idiot Parsons states it was. The simplistic world of Tony Parsons.


We all know more now with the Net and its likes of Parsons and the tabloids who have still not caught up with the technology and continue to live in the old world where spin and lies were the norm, and went on the whole, without question. Come on to the Blogs Parsons and debate the issues instead of writing rubbish where you are not questioned hiding behind your twisted column. Sorry folks for the rant. Off for a while see you later.

ratonthebeam said...

There have been server outage issues with Google today. I don't think it is anything to worry about.

I spoke to another webmaster today whose site was also affected by the explosion and fire at Hostgator; they have said to him that it may well be tomorrow before he is up and running, as the damage is quite extensive. I will of course keep you all informed as I hear more.

Di said...

Well said Joe

RAT thanks for the update, I was thinking there was a problem with my new laptop. :o)

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

It has taken ages to access this blog today. Thank you ROTB for updates regarding the 3 A's and also Google.

Nancy,

An excellent letter you sent to the DE. Lets hope the Media will start reporting articles nearer to the truth rather than MacSpin.


I have never believed that the Bianca who posted on here was Bianca from the DE. Bianca from the DE has a superior intellect and would never have made the mistakes Biancabog made. Bianca from the DE was very witty and her posts had true feeling, integrity and compassion for Madeleine. If my memory serves me well Bianca from the DE wanted justice for Madeleine and supported the Police investigation. Biancabog tried to push the Abduction Theory and how the PJ have failed. Something that is a Pro tactic, they have to try and brainwash us into believing the abduction (as if those morons are capable of that). Well I do not believe the abduction story, where is the evidence. These imposter ID Bloggers accepting the neglect and still pushing the Abduction Theory and PJ failure to all of us, makes me think that neglect charges are definite.

What are the Chances post by Tigger is an excellent account thus far and really keeps things in perspective.

Tony Parsons, what utter cr@p you write, IMO. The poor parents have suffered enough! What about Madeleine McCann? What has she suffered or what is she suffering? At the very least these parents should be charged with child neglect and as a result their child is missing and is possibly in danger or has died. The parents neglect was the catalyst for whatever has happened to Madeleine, they are culpable, IMO. 50 yards away is 50 yards too many. The children had no adult supervision and were at risk to all sorts of danger let alone adbuction. This is not about saving The McC's butts and their reputation, this is about finding out about what happened to Madeleine McC on her May 07 family holiday and why she has disappeared. As for CM stating that their behaviour was reasonable, WTF is this World coming to when this is printed in a newspaper.

Truth, Respect and Justice for Madeleine in 2008.

Di said...

Hi Zodiac

I agree, the Bianca I read on DE, as far as I can remember, always supported the police investigation. I have been very surprised by the turn of events, Gina for instance, I always found her pleasant, 2345 always interesting posts, on 3As she always had plenty of information, have not seen her recently there correct me if I am wrong.

To be honest, I have enough trouble keeping up with everything without having to watch my back as well. It must be an age thing. LOL

Stella said...

Zodiac

I hope you are still there!!!

I cannot thank you enough for thinking of me at Fatima.

I would like to send you a very, very big e-hug, you brought tears to my eyes and I will always remember what you have done for me.

God bless you Zodiac xx

nancy said...

Stella -

I had the same problem with Google today too - I thought for a while that Viv's blog had been wiped out - so relieved it's back!

They do say that newspaper editors and governments make the equation of 10,000 to 1 person sending a letter on any subject. so if half a dozen of us send something similar they would equate that as 60,000 complaints! So it's worth complaining!

To be quite honest I didn't expect a reply, so will give them the benefit of the doubt at least this time!

I hope the 3A's gets going again soon as I know you blog on there and I find it interesting reading too.

Nx

marga said...

Hi!
I'm glad the problem with the access to the blog was only temporary.

Di said...

Just to say I forwarded

"What are the chances" posted by Tigger on 3A's, to everyone in my address book, also the you tube video, I had some very interesting responses, all positive I should say.

Di said...

Viv

Off now, but before I go, I just wanted to say I hope you are feeling much better.

Take care and thank you for letting us have our say.

x

hope4truth said...

Evening ALL

Blimey I have been trying to get in all day...

You know the sad thing is we are all on the same side the side of a 3 year old child who has been pushed aside as the victim so her parents can take centre stage.

Nothing will bring her back and that makes me very sad and a little depressed at times.

But I will never stop posting until the full facts of what happend in PDL come to light not the spun version we are being sold.

If the McCann's only crime was neglect (and believe me it is a huge crime in my eyes and total disgrace) then they should have jumped and made their freinds jup every time the PJ asked them a question or made a request for their assistance.

The Guilt of leaving a child alone and the grief of loosing a child is not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

But anyone who will not get on a plane and help or actually look for this beautiful child are discusting and will have to live with their selfish actions for the rest of their lives.

Children first every time Adults can take care of themselves children deserve a voice and Madeleines has been silenced by a country that is supposed to care about child welfare. How can I be proud to live in a country thats press wont report?

I dont want a witch Hunt I want a fair trial and for any other parent who just for a second thinks their child will be fine if they put themselves first and leave the children alone while they go to the bar with their friends. I want anyone who ever thinks this to get real and put their children first.

xxx

Di said...

Hi Hope

Must go soon but thought I would say hello....Hope you are well..

As I said earlier I disappear for a few days and all hell breaks loose. What is going on?

I think it is so sad that we now have to be wary of each other, to be fair we are all anons, maybe some know each other personally who knows, but like you say we are all hopefully after the same goal, justice for Madeleine.

I just wish we could get some news very soon that prosecutions are coming forthwith.

hope4truth said...

Di

Hello

Yes it is very sad but like you say we are all anon.

Madeleine must come first if they did nothing wrong (apart from neglect)there can be no evidence that requires no spin and they have nothing to fear.

How can a 3 year old not matter to people?

Nice to see you xxx

nancy said...

Zodiac -

Thanks for your comment - I hope that people letting the media know just what we think will make them do something about the disgusting betrayal of Madeleine by all of them. It's easy enough to get in touch with any of them via their internet sites.

About Bianca, to be quite honest, I remember all the bloggers by their names, but I couldn't actually remember what all their view were. I know that Gina always said she was undecided about what happened that night, but she was adamant that the McCanns should have answered all the PJ's questions and co-operated with them and she always seemed disgusted with the behaviour of all the tapas parents. I must admit I did wonder why she was always blogging on Sassy or Rosiepop's site when she knew they would only use insults and never listen! She often said she was fed up with it all so maybe it's better she gives it a rest!

I do know that Viv wouldn't ban anyone if she didn't believe there was something not quite right and she doesn't want people causing arguments on here; she wants as many people on here as possible to fight for justice for Madeleine.

See you later - off to watch Corrie now!

Nx

marga said...

Don't know if thisis old news or if it is a new reward offered again by their connections??

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/maddie_reward.shtml

marga said...

Gina was cloned.
The real one would never use such an offensive language and be simultaneously posting on both blogs.IMO. I also believe sth strange happened to 2345.

atardi said...

Hi Hope,

How are you doing. And how was your day at work?
You had very goodd posts the last days. (No, always). How is the weather? Here it's to hot to go to a Farden Centre to buy a pot;).

Why is is that some people cannot understand that we care about Madeleine's faith? We want to know the truth. And only the truth will bring justice to Madeleine.

I'm so glad the PJ didn't give up.

Di said...

Marga

Who knows, but just maybe the NOTW are praying someone will now come forward and spill the beans for the reward. I do think this reward was offered earlier, but correct me if I am wrong.

Or is it more spin!!!!

atardi said...

Hi Marga,

Nice to meet you again. Will go and read the NOTW article.

So jealous of you. Your last week?

Di said...

Marga

I hope you are right as I liked Gina and she gave me good advice.

The only thing I think is this, if someone cloned me I would e-mail Viv immediately and say so and I am sure she would be able to check things out, but then again I always like a solution to every problem :o)))

Di said...

Marga

2345 as I said earlier I miss her input as well.

atardi said...

Stella,

If you are still here.

We are posting here for JFM. But sometimes we talk about things that happens in our lives.

I will never forget that Zodiac wrote some special words to me that I will never forget.

It's nice to see that people care for each other.

lizzy said...

Hi
I find it odd too that everyone who appears to have had close contact with the case, has had an attempted burglary, ie; Amaral former heard of the investigation, they broke into the house next door mistaking it for his, the Anglican priest in Pdl Father Hubbard, I believe he had a laptop stolen and papers, this to me means they are getting desperate, have no doubt in my mind it is highly possible a company who are non too reputable such as Meado3 could be responsible, also witnesses allegedly offered bribes by them, all these things should convince anybody that there is dodgy dealings going on by Team Mccann in addition to their own lies and inconsistancies which have been revealed so far in the investigation. I am suspicious of anyone who comes on the blog like yesterday trying to push the abduction theory, there have been 2 big characters on here who have done this and maybe I'm cynical but never trusted either of them. This is just my opinion by the way...Lizzy

Di said...

Off now catch up tomorrow.

Enjoy your evening.

Nancy, we are also Corrie fans but record and watch the two episodes in one go. I can't stand the suspense. LOL :o)))

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bath theory said...

Ecolab
I am still laughing at the story you told yesterday. Thank you so much. My muscles still hurt so.

'Right Dad, where do you want to go first?'

Zodiac said...

'Gina was cloned.
The real one would never use such an offensive language and be simultaneously posting on both blogs.IMO. I also believe sth strange happened to 2345.'

Monday, 2 June 2008 19:37:00 o'clock BST


Marga,

Your comment above. I agree with you. The language they use gives them away. Biancabog's abusive post yesterday, I do not believe that Bianca from the DE would post like that under any circumstances. All their posts lead back to one source, IMO.


Stella,

You are more than welcome and e-hug greatly received, thank you.

It is a pity that the McC's did not think about their vulnerable little one's safety for just one second.

Ecolab,

LOL! And I know I should not. I keep thinking, how did the son get his deceased father to stay on the motorbike.

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Zodiac said...

Batheory,

I knew the other BK was K's uncle, I did not know the Double Glazing BK, was a cousin.

bath theory said...

Sorry the cousin is called Brian Kennedy who is 69 and this backer the rich one is also called Brian kennedy. He may or may not be related and he is 47. Sorry for the error. In any case he has enough money and 'Scottish contacts' to have saved them so far.

bath theory said...

Here is some stuff on the Brian Kennedy. Note his son goes to the private school Uppingham. Very Posh school in guess where ...Leicstershire. Also the place my room mate at University went to . Also up to a few weeks ago he was on the Scottish Rugby Committee. No wonder he was getting a big loan off the RBS. The government under Brown has many many scots in the inner sanctuary.

The Guardian Jan 28th 2006

/www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/jan/28/rugbyunion.comment

...No one can argue that Kennedy, who has residences in Cheshire, Majorca and Colorado, has not put his money where his mouth - and heart - is. Sale's rise from their homely origins at Heywood Road to 10,000-plus sell-outs at Edgeley Park has been one of the success stories of professionalism and personally cost him £9m. Today's game, in the wake of last week's Munster mauling, will test their character but Philippe Saint-André's powerful side have lost only two of their 12 Premiership games so far.

According to Kennedy, a 45-year-old Scot who began his working life cleaning windows with his father in the Gorgie district of Edinburgh and now has 5,000 employees, none of his players will give the Six Nations a thought until this evening. He even reckons that by playing Hodgson and friends he is doing the RFU a favour. "We want our best players to play not so we can make more money but so that we can succeed and, in doing so, strengthen the club and north-west rugby."

He makes a persuasive case. You can see why Kennedy's double-glazing, plastics and property companies turn over an annual £450m and why the cash-strapped Scottish Rugby Union has invited him to join their board as a non-executive director. He was at Murrayfield as recently as Thursday in his advisory capacity.

"I have a passion for rugby generally, whether its English or Scottish rugby," he explains. "For as long as the RFU executive believe the club owners are in it for selfish financial gain they will not trust our motives. When they realise we are in it for the same reasons as the amateur guys at grass roots we will be able to get round the table and come up with a solution. There's no appetite amongst the owners to put any more money in. We've done that."

Kennedy insists the key is to encourage young English talent by removing "the fear of going bust if we don't play our best XV", either through reviewing relegation or by more financial assistance to those going down. His 15-year-old son Jonny, the third of five children, is a centre at Uppingham School and, ironically, has joined Leicester's academy after being spotted by Dusty Hare.

Daily Telegraph 12/05/08

It has also been confirmed that Sale owner Brian Kennedy will step down as a non-executive director, with Andy Irvine co-opted as his replacement.

This guy Brian Kennedy is the guy who is bank rolling the McCanns for those who don't know about him.

bath theory said...

Thanks Zodiac

dylan said...

Good Evening to you all!

ROB - could have done with your help recently. I think it's my old modem as my internet keeps crashing and everytime I have finished a post it just goes down again which is bl***y annoying! Have a new modem today but i haven't had time to do the "ringy-up" thing to install it so I'm keeping my fingers crossed (and my toes - ow!)

2 more things to add to "what are the chances"

1) What are the chances of Gerry taking a police manual abroad with him for a bit of light reading?

2) What are the chances of Kate being in posession of a bible given to her by a member of the local church which just happens to have the page marked telling of the story of parent's child that has died, when all along Kate and Gerry are certain Madeleine is alive?

Docmac, I would claim for time and a half since it was such a crucial cleaning job. No call for sloppiness there!! (do feel free to chastise me if i misspelled, please, before ST does!)

Hello viv, claudia, ecolab, hope and all of you others I have missed out. How very rude of me! :)

dyl xx

bath theory said...

The issue around these two is the backing they have had. Their backer who weirdly shares the same name as one of their cousins is called Mr Brian Kennedy. He has limitless money to throw at them and he loves the fact that Calrence an ex head of the government's dirty tricks media dept the 'Central Office of Inofrmation' (opposite Lambeth North tube) is now on board.

These sort of businessmen and politicians have zero ethics. They need to control a situation. They don't base decisions on right or wrong like we do. They gave that up years ago.

The McCann's are fortunate because without his guaranteed money and contacts they would have been charged already.

The point is money buys you time and with contacts it can buy you freedom. The one thing against this lot is the public and the fact a 3yr old girl is dead. The tactics of COI Clarence have ensured the government friendly plants in the media have controlled the story so far but the momentum is building and now is a very dangerous time.

Fortunately they did not factor in the Portugese. A race with a child friendly history. They dismissed them as mere 'foreigners' and did not understand the mediterranean mentality with regards to honour

So I say to the Portugese police + those helping them overhere :)

FIRMES Y DIGNOS

hope4truth said...

Hello Atardi

No farden centre today it is raining (again)...

Hope you are ok xxx

bath theory said...

One last bit on kennedy for those like me who didn't know much about him.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3867900.ece

Brian Kennedy, the home improvements tycoon backing the McCanns, admitted yesterday that he flew to Portugal last November and spent an evening with Robert Murat, apart from the McCanns the only other official suspect. A source close to Kennedy said he was “gathering information”.

Kennedy’s lawyer, Ed Smethurst, approached Murat through a mutual friend and said that Kennedy wanted to offer him a job.

But the job offer never transpired. Kennedy spent the evening with Murat and his lawyers at his aunt’s house in Praia da Luz, discussing Madeleine’s disappearance.

He left with a “flea in his ear” after being confronted over reports that Metodo 3, the McCanns’ private investigators, had suspicions about Murat.

hope4truth said...

Hello Dyl

Hope you are well xxx

hope4truth said...

Hello goodbye to everyone else I keep loosing my posts so am going to give up for tonight take care all xxx

dylan said...

Lizzy, I quite agree.

Saying the McCanns are abhorrent child neglectors but believing the abduction theory is an oxymoron* - *yay! I got to use that word!

What is very odd is that the belief that child neglect is so terrible but doesn't lead to the belief that they were responsible for any harm done to Maddie. I think Bianca said she just couldn't bring herself to think that they could do this yet they were capable of leaving 3 minors alone, afraid and crying. Personally, I wouldn't put anything past them. (IMHO)

The point is that there is zero evidence for an abduction, oodles of evidence for Maddie to have died in the appartment, DNA forensics have come a long way in recent years over a relatively short space of time and there are some very mysterious goings on surrounding the McCanns for which the abduction theory just doesn't support.

Anyhow, good job the situation was sorted before things got out of hand. I remember Bianca from the DE days and I'm sure this cannot have been the same person.

xx

nancy said...

Hi Bath Theory - always nice to read your blogs I must say!

I think there's something really fishy about that Brian Kennedy. Why would he fly all the way out to PdeL to offer Murat a job, something he could quite easily have done over the telephone or internet! I think there was more to that visit than meets the eye. Could he have been offering Robert Murat a great deal of money - in other words a bribe I wonder?

Time will tell I'm sure!

nancy said...

Good night Hope - and you are not the only one who has been losing their posts today - I've had a load of trouble too! Gremlins about no doubt!

Nx

Wizard said...

Brian Kennedy has a lot to lose if the McCann are charged and found guilty. He is a successful entrepreneur, with a reputation to uphold. I am often surprised to read that the positive road for a psychopath is business as they can become very successful entrepreneurs as they are able to make difficult decisions which affect the lives of other without being racked with guilt like lesser mortals.

Mr Kennedy has put all his eggs in one basket bankrolling the McCanns and I think this is where it becomes personal for him. He will not be proven wrong and will not care who is trodden into the mire to prove his support justified.

It is interesting to consider whether the Mc’s would still be pleading their innocence if they did not have his backing. Imo one of them would have cracked and the truth would be known by now. Money talks and doors can be opened whilst others remain shut.

dylan said...

Aw, Hope! I know the feeling.

I'm good thanks. Kitten has been re-named "horror cat" though, due to scratching and biting - the little b%%%%r!

Goodnight to you, will mail soon.

xx

nancy said...

I've just been reading another very sad neglect case in the evening paper.

A little boy of 2 was left in the kitchen over a weekend while his mother of 22 went out partying.

The people below saw water coming through their ceiling and called the police because a child was heard crying from the flat above.

This little mite was found shivering with cold, covered in urine and his faeces, half dressed and penned in by a gate so he couldn't get out and he was also in inches of water and soaking wet.

Now just what sort of mother would allow that to happen? The Social people have put the little boy in care of course and the mother is in court answering the charge.

I hope they throw the book at her -in fact, I would like them to lock that sadistic mother in a cell with water up to her knees, no food or water, and let her stew in her own juices if you get my meaning! Some would say that is harsh, but for someone so cold hearted who left her little lad like that, I think that's lenient.

Of course we can't blame her cruel behaviour on the Tapas lot, but they and the media have certainly given out the message to the public that it's alright to go out partying and leave your children alone!!

bath theory said...

Thanks Nancy
Power to the people

We shall overcome one day...

:)

Must sleep as taking class on school trip tomorrow

nancy said...

Hi Wizard -

You are so right - money talks!

You only have to see how most celebrities who end up in the dock through drink driving, drugs, or whatever, are given lenient sentences if any at all, while the ordinary punter will feel the full force of the law!

It will be interesting to see where Brian Kennedy fits in this case when it finally comes to an end - if it ever does!! I think he has helped with more than his money, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Metodo 3 is something to do with him and that's why the McCanns used them. Where else would they have even heard of those people, and why would they have used them to find Madeleine unless someone with clout had recommended them being as they are not experts in finding missing people at all!

Cláudia said...

Nancy, she must be a McCann defender. But don't be too harsh on that poor young woman. I'm sure she was just näive. She made a small mistake and lulled into a false sense of security. She probably believed that her son was old enough to be left alone. I think people around her (family, friends and neighbours) should have handed out leaflets alerting to the dangers of leaving two year olds home alone for a weekend and telling näive mothers like her that they still aren't able to feed, dress and take care of themselves. Anyway, I think we should stop discussing this. After all, no one can punish her more than must be punishing herself. Isn't that enough? Poor, poor young lady. I'll think about setting up a blog to support her.

Wizard said...

It’s probably already been discussed but Sasikala Navaneethan who is alleged to have stabbed her children killing 2 was suffering, say friends, from post natal depression.

The reason I mention this sad case is I’ve always thought something like depression might be wrong with Kate. We have Gerry saying things like – when I go away someone always stays with Kate she is not left on her own. Even on May 3 we have Gerry again saying he asked one of the T7 to pop in and see if Kate was OK. Well why wouldn’t Kate be OK and why cant a grown woman be left on her own for a couple of days? Something here is very wrong.

lizzy said...

Hi Dylan,
Yes I agree, luckily though Viv is very asute and she tolerates no messing from the Pro
bloggers who come on here in their various guises.
They have different methods now to the old express days of the very obvious Rosiepops of old, now I think their method is to try to win the trust of bloggers by saying they are anti, but on the fence, when in reality they are constantly pushing the abduction theory in their own way. They are here with the same agenda as the Pro's of old , just a gentler method, to try to distract from any belief that the Mccanns are guilty of anything more than just neglect. But unfortunately for them, people see through their ways now. These are my thoughts anyway...Lizzy

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atardi said...

Read you all tomorrow.

Viv, I have sent you a mail.

nancy said...

Claudia -


You had me going there - I didn't realise you were speaking with tongue in cheek!!

These sad cases are gut wrenching aren't they? It really makes me ashamed to be British quite honestly.

Just what is going wrong with our country - rampant teenagers knifing each other - families killing their own kids - it never ends and it makes me feel like never listening to the news or reading the papers!

I admire the Spanish and Portuguese for the way they not only bring their children up to be good mannered and polite, but at the same time treat them with love and affection - I can honestly say that since I've lived in Spain this last six years, I have never seen a mother lose her temper with her child in a supermarket, whereas in the UK, mums can frequently be seen shouting at their children or giving them a hard smack! Some of them don't seem to have the wherewithall to bring them up properly and keep them in order in a humane and loving way. These mums I must say though are in the minority.

I'm not painting all British parents with the same brush of course. The majority of them do love their children to bits and would die for them; it's just a small hard core of parents who should never have become parents in the first place!

Putting your chidren first should be your first priority when you become parents - not continuing with your partying days as you did when childless. You have to be prepared to take on responsibility in a big way, but the rewards of that are worth all the sacrifices you make.

nancy said...

I'm signing off now everyone -

good night and God Bless.
-----------------------------------

Docmac - if you come on here later -

I have to thank you for your kind offer of help with the 'baby' film but as I spend so much time on the computer, not only blogging, but sometimes working too, I like to watch any films on television or via my DVD, and my music from my CD player really. I'll pick up a copy from the music shop later on.

It was really nice of you to offer though - you are a star!!

Thanks again - Nancy x

Cláudia said...

nancy, if it was up to me, that naive young lady would be put exactly in the same place than the famous 9.
Sleep tight!

Cláudia said...

archer said...
China

Hi to you.

Wouldn't you have thought, in the circumstances, that he would have made some sort of contact? A letter or a phonecall introducing himself. At the very least that.

02 June 2008 22:32

...................................

lolololololololololol

Archer thinks that the new Head of the PJ, Dr. Almeida Rodrigues should have introduced himself to the main suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann! This is hilarious. I think that only grey cell Archer had left has now passed away.

dylan said...

Well they may just be your thoughts, Lizzy, but they are very valid ones! :)

Going to bed now. I've just had two bottles of gin, a double vodka & washed it all down with some cheap cider, hic! I may not make it out of bed for the next two days but, hey! Who cares, the kids can look after themselves! Now where did i leave my drugs and that bottle of paint thinners?

Goodnight all. xx

lizzy said...

Dylan,
Goodnight,nice to speak to you again, haven't been online that much as my son is doing his GCSE 's and is hogging the computer right now. Lizzy

viv said...

Hiya all, just got back

Lizzie great to see you and excellant post, we are not going to be sold an abduction agenda, thanks very much! You are very astute and this was so well put:


They have different methods now to the old express days of the very obvious Rosiepops of old, now I think their method is to try to win the trust of bloggers by saying they are anti, but on the fence, when in reality they are constantly pushing the abduction theory in their own way. They are here with the same agenda as the Pro's of old , just a gentler method, to try to distract from any belief that the Mccanns are guilty of anything more than just neglect. But unfortunately for them, people see through their ways now. These are my thoughts anyway...Lizzy

viv said...

Claudia darling,now I am thinking the Pink ~Trolls believe Kate and Gerry McCann are true celebrities and should be on first name terms with Dr Rodrigues, however I suspect he just sees them as a couple of criminals his officers are dealing with in an appropriate and confidential manner, that certainly does not involve forewarning them about what evidence they have to prove they killed little Madeleine. A stranger claim to fame I cannot think of. Roll on when they are in suitable accommodation that befits their criminal status.

Joe said...

Claudia,

Now that is funny, simple folk China and Archer obviously. Since when does any Police force have social introductions with 2 suspects. IF the McCanns ever face charges the Pros will need serious help to deal with their fantasy world falling apart. it is quite shocking that they appear so naive,..... then again it explains a lot.

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Nice to see you too, haven't been on much as son has been on most of the time as he is doing his GCSE 's and needs, according to him to be on here most of the time.
Great article and love the part about the Mccanns wanting to use that case to show that the dogs are not always accurate, but the man has been found guilty and the dogs vindicated....brilliant. I really believe now that the writing is on the wall for them now, well hope so anyway, that it is only a matter of time bbefore they are charged. Lizzy

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv and Joes. Hilarious, isn't it? Well, if Dr Almeida Rodrigues was to introduce himself to all suspects of crimes he would probably start woring around middle 2009. But tell me, is it a cultural thing in the Uk that authorities introduce themselves to main suspects of crimes? ;-)

viv said...

Hiya Lizzie darling,

you are a true loving mom putting your own internetting needs second to your precious son. I wish him every success with his GCSE's and with a mom like you feel sure he will do well:-)

The fact of McCanns immediately jumping to use this American case back in September is really devastating for them given he now admits in I think February this year the dogs were of course right! I was also really concerned (but not really surprised) to note that the Times wrote such a misleading article implying the McCanns are only being investigated for negligence. I have also noted the spin coming off the back of that. Last night I read Chinadull stating how cruel that would be to the McCanns. You know I think we could almost write the "script" for her, we have become so adept at spotting their devious lies. To the McCanns, if that was genuinely the only thing they were being investigated for, it would be like their dream come true. British and Portuguese Police know far better than that and she is not going to be getting any review by Scotland Yard, anyway they would just say "well done lads"

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE XXXXXX

Joe said...

Claudia,

It is certainly not a cultural thing in the UK or here in Ireland. If a Senior Policeman even did such a thing it would be seen as wholly inappropriate and unprofessional. If the McCanns were or had been cleared as suspects then it would be acceptable, but that is the problem with the PROS they have not come to terms with the fact that they are the prime suspects.

viv said...

Well you know Claudia Hun, British culture is constantly evolving and I think Clarence Mitchell would like to see it evolve a little more, so that parents can dump their kids in bed at 7 pm every single night while they are on holiday and go out on the lash, get really into their friends, effectively really just forget they even bothered to have kids.

Then of course he wants police culture to become more open and transparent. You know Hun, this is simply brilliant, because if the police started telling all the people they are investigating exactly what evidence they have against them, far less people would be convicted and at a stroke it would sort out the serious problem we have in UK with prison overcrowding. Trouble is I dont think Clarence quite has the capacity to look at the other side of the coin and think how many victims would suffer because of that and how Society in UK would suffer too, that is if we listed to wisdom, compliments of Clarence Mitchell.. His addition to British Culture I suspect, will be for British people to avow every time they read a newspaper.. I am not at all sure I believe that, I think Clarence Mitchell had a hand in it. Some epitaph..(!) Look over the page and see what it really says and then have a look back and see what the article says..even in our great British institution The Times!

docmac said...

Dear oh dear

Rosiepops actually thinks I was claiming to be a neurosurgeon in my post last night. She also thinks a being a surgeon is some form of upgrade from being any other form of specialist. How wrong she is. Even good GPs are reasonably adept at many and varied tasks.

Yes, Rosie dear, I had to be in the theatre as my job includes pre-, peri- and post-op care in cases like that. By the way, we lost the child to a massive ICH this afternoon. I'm sure you will PYSL.

Cláudia said...

Viv and Joe, I don't think the Pros are even aware of the ridiculous crap they let escape their sewer. Pardon me, their mouths.

Cláudia said...

Doc, ;-(

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Well said,the Times has shown itself to be as controlled as all the others, in its biased and selective reporting re the Mccanns. As you say, they are pushing the neglect issue as are the Pro's in a concerted bid to gain the sympathy of the public. I think they, and Team Mccann underestimate the general public's intelligence. I work in a large office and I don't know one person who thinks the Mccanns are innocent of any involvement.Mind you the press are fickle, if they are charged they will turn on them as fiercely as they have defended them am sure....well off to bed now, has been really nice spending some time on here tonight ..Goodnight Viv / everyone Lizzy xx

Cláudia said...

Sleep tight, Lizzy!

xxx

viv said...

Nite Nite Lizzie darling

I am certainly a bit tired of reading those who seek to just push the neglect/abduction agenda, they cannot face reality because they have the most sickening agenda to pursue, denying justice to Madeleine which is wicked. Honest people see the situation for what it is, I believe and the press on behalf of Team McScamm should stop underestimating the intelligence of the general public.
xxxxx

viv said...

Hiya Joe

That is the trouble with dishonest criminals, just as you describe, they never want to face reality...the McCanns are prime suspects and are being investigated for killing Madeleine and disposing of her corpse, in addition to leaving her alone to cry..that speaks volumes as to their capacity for serious child abuse.

leigh3 said...

Hi Viv,
There is no evidence of abduction. None. However, there is evidence of neglect, 'abandonment' in Portuguese terms; a serious offence.

You know how this goes: find the evidence admissable in court for what happened or find a way to make wrongdoers appear in court on other charges.

It is what it is, yes? The way of the world, for all its strengths and weaknesses.

viv said...

Hiya Leigh

Do you not think there is evidence that little Madeleine is dead?

leigh3 said...

And I believe that neglect of any kind is an early warning sign of more sinister motives, and actions.

One question: where is the proof, the evidence, admissable in a criminal court?

This is the big issue facing investigators now, I think. It is also the issue facing publishers. Libel law is draconian.

No point winning the battle, and losing the war.

leigh3 said...

Viv,
I think this: Madeleine Beth McCann, dead on the night of May 3rd, beloved sister of twins, and a large extended family in England, Ireland and Scotland.

leigh3 said...

As for evidence, I think 2345 was correct. There's evidence, but will the court of public opinion and the court of criminal law give it full attention; believe it.

viv said...

but Leigh, the forensic evidence of Madeleine left behind and the evidence of the dogs is most certainly relevant and admissible evidence, I can assure you of that and I have no doubt the police have far more than that. A court will look at the evidence in toto, including the McCanns telling lies about jemmied windows and damaged shutters, right from the outset. There is only credible inference to draw from that.


I am not intending to lose anything, please rest assured of that x

leigh3 said...

Viv,
Some of the evidence is admissable, but is it enough? Will the Prosecutors impose their will in support of the police case or will they succumb to other forces, political forces, legal arguments?

I wonder.

However, one way or another, I have no doubt that the case of poor little Madeleine Beth McCann will be heard in court. Criminal court. Libel court.

As I've said before, Viv, and bear with me now ;-)...

"Frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn." (a quote from 'Gone With the Wind', and we have certainly heard a lot of hot air in this case from media manipulators!).

viv said...

Hiya Leigh

I do not understand why you think a criminal case against the McCanns could be dealt with in a libel court, on what basis?

leigh3 said...

On the basis that if criminal law fails to hear the evidence, then libel law will because liars are memorable for their untrue, damaging statements against others, thereby 'blackening their reputation', and that is enough grounds for the defamed to file a writ of libel (with bigger, more wealthy and influential backers than the McCanns could ever muster together. That includes the provincial bore BK).

The McCanns and their supporters have made more enemies than friends, in my opinion.

leigh3 said...

Viv,
A few examples: Jeremy Thorpe, Jonathan Aitken, Geoffrey Archer.

The list goes on and on.

All of them were suspected of criminal acts, but they were finally made to answer for their lies in libel court...a rough old game, played out patiently.

Ana said...

Hi Viv and all,

24 Horas Tomorrow’s headline:

"PJ brought 3 McCann’s friends secretly to Portugal!"

Don’t know what to think about it, but I will post the report in full when it became available, around 4:30am.It sound good news!:)

leigh3 said...

Ana,
I'm willing to bet it is the Paynes + Diane Webster.

Perhaps we should remember that the McSpin paints the Paynes as close friends. Odd that they did not attend some important events staged by the McCanns in the UK, and D. Webster remained in her seat at the Tapas Bar, quiet, unmoved by the commotion on the night Maddie 'disappeared'.

9 is a very odd number.

viv said...

Hiya Leigh

But they were criminals who sought to use libel law to defend their non-existent reputations, and it was a criminal, not a libel court that finally dealt with Aitken and Archer and put them away, right where they belong in the same way the McCanns tried to use libel law..... but a criminal court will also put them right where they belong.

Guilty criminals use libel courts, state prosecutors use criminal courts..quite a difference!

The order of play has been set by the McCanns..... they used the libel court, now they get the criminal court just the same as the examples you cite. Whilst Archer was being prosecuted in a criminal court for perjury the Daily Express sued him and the half million he stole from them he paid back from his prison cell but it cost him ONE AND HALF MILLION to pay it back with interest and costs. Maybe the Daily Express which not be quite so harsh on the McCanns, but when they are charged and prosecuted, no prizes for guessing who will come down on them the hardest with McCanns the serialisation. They have collected plenty of stuff for that! Maybe we will even get quoted..

Viv x

Ana said...

Hi Leigh,

No doubts, must be them!Who else?

viv said...

ANA WHAT FANTASTIC FABULOUS NEWS YOU LOVELY LADY, I AM DANCING AROUND MY OFFICE

Luv ya hun xxxxxxx

Ana said...

Viv,
Me too, darling!:)))
Not in the office...:)

leigh3 said...

Ana,
Unless this gets really weird, and it is Tanner, her partner, and R. Oldfield?

Just playing devil's advocate there.

My bet is on the Paynes + D.W.

Always happy to see you 'up to speed', and 'on the case'.
Thank you.
x
leigh

Cláudia said...

MacCann friends secretely brought to Portugal by the PJ. Tomorrow I may know if it's true or not.

Ana said...

Leigh,
"Unless this gets really weird, and it is Tanner, her partner, and R. Oldfield?"

No way!Lolol

Ana said...

Hi Cláudia,

How are you Hun?
Why tomorrow?:)

docmac said...

So ROB's the only friend left. The end game has begun. Good.

leigh3 said...

Viv,
Thorpe, leader of the Liberal party, hiding his homosexuality, threatened his ex-lover, and killed his dog.

Archer paid money to a prostitute who was killed in a 'car accident'.

Aitken, suspected of dishonesty, vowed to wield the 'sword of truth' and expose Press lies, yet it was found that he was the liar.

On and on and on, it goes. Those with the most to hide seek protection with the use of political contacts, and wealthy friends.

As 2345 once said: 'Seen one, seen them all.'

As I would say: only the names and dates change. The human story has heroes, villains, and bystanders. Twas ever thus.

Ana said...

It seems the Pact doesn’t exist anymore!

leigh3 said...

Ana,
Lol! That's the first time I've used that internet term. Hey. Maybe I can learn a thing or two from the 21st Century world weird web x

viv said...

Hey guys I had to put Pink Floyd on to have a dance to ! Claudia my lovely I cannot wait until tomorrow when you can confirm this and that it is indeed the Paynes and Diane Webster.

Hiya Leigh

Gordon Brown is not and will not do anything to save a couple of low life criminals from getting precisely what they deserve. Gerry McCann is not a politician, he just likes to playx


JUSTICE FOR MADDIE XXXXXXXXXX

docmac said...

There are no more bricks in the wall Viv.

Ana said...

Leigh,
I am not a internet terms expert but never too late, for me and for you, to learn dear!Rotflol

viv said...

Hiya doc my lovely

Sweet Jane Tanner, just had a momentary lapse of reason and I think the division bell tolls xxxxxx

docmac said...

How I wish I were there, Viv.

leigh3 said...

Dear Viv,
I liked Gordon Brown before he succumbed to the fate of all powerbrokers: exhaustion.

I write as a former Young Socialist, and no need to name who my friends were when we were young, and idealistic. (Not Gordon, by the way, but others).

Time passes. Realpolitik, Viv. No room for romance and idealism in the 21st Century. Just my opinion.

Actions speak louder than words, I think...for those who have the energy to make it so.

viv said...

Doc ummagumma or up a gum tree or something :-))))))

Ana said...

Viv,

Agree, Gerry is not a politician but he likes to think he is!

Someone post this in another forum:

"Tommorrow the BSCMR are having their AGM.

The BSCMR Board election taking place during the spring of 2008 will see the new Board will be in place from 1 June 2008-31 May 2010. The announcement of the new Board will take place at the BSCMR AGM on 3 June in Manchester.

Dr Gerald McCann was amongst 7 other candidates for the board, this was put to the membership of the BSCMR.
The British Society of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance.

Positions up for Nomination were:

Chairman Elect.
Treasurer. (God help them)
Deputy Treasurer
Other members (3 Positions)

You wont find this on the Internet, you wont find it mentioned anywhere. I can tell you. It will be interesting tommorow to see the website - http://www.bscmr.org to see who was elected.

How did i come by this..................well lets say that there are a few Doctors that share the opinion that how can an Individual that has Arguido Status in another country, allow himself to be elected as a Director............................OF A CHARITY.......................the mind boggles.

You are quite welcome to make your feelings known to the charity, using the Contact Us tab.

Too busy for a re-enaction in Portugal then Gerry.................the mind just boggles at the way these two are acting.

They wanted this hushed up, not bloody likely."

By alanw69
http://justice4madeleine.forumz.cc/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=98&sid=4d7fa9cd1c32be516687dc9d95df9e1b

leigh3 said...

Ana!!!

'Rotflol'. What the heck is that? ;-))) Doh. Internet speak is so mysterious. Beam me up, Scottie, as they say on Star Trek. Crikey. Now, that is showing my age, my obsolesence x

Ana said...

Leigh,
Rotflol= Rolling on the floor laughing out loud!

leigh3 said...

Ana!
You minx. Just to say, there are doctors here in the UK wondering how GM has the audacity to promote his ambitions when he has so obviously let down his basic duties, e.g.

First Principle: do no harm.

The General Medical Council of the UK are aware of the McCanns...not in a favourable way.

leigh3 said...

Ana,
Rolling on the floor, laughing out loud?

Sounds like fun. I must try it sometime ;-)

viv said...

Ana

I am not in a serious mood at the moment I am so elated with the news that it seems we have, David Paynes pact of silence is no more, but can tell you this much darling this certainly made me ROFLMAO:

Treasurer. (God help them)

Somehow, I am not seeing this as a likely scenario!

What was that song Doc oh I know "Money" .. grab that cash and make a stash...dont give me that do goody good bullshit

he probably has some stashed somewhere for when he gets out!

docmac said...

Viv

Those Animals tried to Meddle on The Dark Side of the Moon, thinking they were Obscured by Clouds while they took the Money. Those Relics are hiding A Saucerful of Secrets, but the Piper has arrived at the Gates of Dawn. It's the Final Cut. I'm sure that Gerry and Kate, who is not an Atom Heart Mother, are indeed thinking 'Ummagumma'.

Ana said...

Leigh,
But still, he has the audacity to concur to a director place!
Unbelievable, that man has no limits regarding his ambition!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Ana. Because maybe tomorrow I'll be able to make some phone calls and confirm this or not. I'll try.

Viv, you got mail!

viv said...

Got to go now folks but it has been a great thread as ever and excellent company and news!

See you all tomorrow

luv viv xxxxxxxx


JUSTICE FOR MADDIE, GOD BLESS HER, SWEET CHILD XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

viv said...

Doc what a brilliant compilation and an excellent taste in music you have :-))))))))))

viv said...

OK darling checking mail xxxxxxxxxxx

leigh3 said...

Night Viv. Sleep well xo

Ana and Claudia. As usual, we rely on Portugal, the brave, to pursue honest inquiry, and take the lead in this sorry case. Boa noite to you, and yours.
Luv, L. xoxo

leigh3 said...

Ana,
Perhaps his ambition will be his undoing. We'll see.
Boa noite.
xo
leigh

leigh3 said...

OOPS! Nearly forgot to say:

Ratonthebeam. Well done. Looks like you are at your best when you defend others. I admire your skill, and determination. No surrender.

docmac said...

Nite Viv and all. I was reading Pink2, where Chinadoll was Barking At the Moon all by herself (OK it's not Floyd). It must be lonely for her sometimes.

Ana said...

Cláudia,

Thank you darling! Hope you’ll be able to obtain the information we need!


Viv,

Nite darling!:)

Ana said...

Goodnight Leigh and Doc!:)

leigh3 said...

Doc,
I don't understand why you ridicule Chinadoll. Ad hominem is degrading for those involved, and those viewing it.
Just my opinion.
Night night. Sleep well. No hard feelings, I hope. I just don't understand why an educated doctor would stoop to conquer.
leigh

Ana said...

3arguidos is back!

Ana said...

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I wont say i told you this would happen, but i did! said...

The 3 A's Gone - Good.

I hope those that migrate do not get too comfortable on vile's, hers is next.

Be afraid Viv, be very afraid.

I 'never' make empty threats and I keep my word, as you no doubt have realised and will learn again very soon!

01 June 2008 15:41

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I'll send you a red nose for xmas!
ROFLMAO!

viv said...

Hiya Ana

These people better get a reality check:-))))))))))) How silly and dull they are, no hopers really.

x

Ana said...

Hiya Viv,

You are right, but you know, I love when this happens! :)))
I am not surprise with theirs behaviour, they have always done that!
Too much talk, no actions! They seem to love, showing us, theirs stupidity and I love to see it!
This is a classic attitude but like I said: bring it on trolls, sometimes we need some laugh!
Poor things, I must say!

viv said...

Lol Ana

They should face charges of indecent exposure:-))))but their bare ass is very funny, I would not want them to stop, it would be so dull x

I think they just cannot stay away from this blog, you know Ana, they love it !

Ana said...

Viv,
"They should face charges of indecent exposure:-))))"

ROFLMAO!!!!

Well, I will not send them a red nose for xmas, I will send them a thousand , they will need it!:)))
And yes, they love it!

Ana said...

Viv,
The article is not available yet and I can not wait much longer…
I will wish you a peaceful night by anticipation in case the article don’t come up in the next minutes!:)

Luv ya daaarling xxx

viv said...

Just been reading back STELLA ASKED:

Have the PJ got their hands on the original booking forms for the whole group? Or, did they all book seperately, I wonder...


I think they probably have, it has been announced David Payne booked this holiday for the whole group.

David Payne works as a cardiology researcher at Leicester Uni same trade and very near Gerry at Glenfield Hosp Leics. The possibility of a link to the redevelopment of Leics Hospitals cannot be ignored given Geraghty their friend in PDL was the main contractor. The scheme was audited in between May and July 2007 due to a proposed 2M addition to the projected contract price, it is clearly possible the holiday was intended to try and save the project

If Payne really has been flown over to PDL by the police I think he has an awful lot to tell the PJ, not just because of the above but because he tried to lie for the McCanns saying he saw Maddie alive at bedtime and also because the McCanns spent the whole night with them. They are also the ones who stayed behind in PDL to be with McCanns when all the rest ran off home. The PJ have said Payne's evidence is crucial to the case against the McCanns. Someone in this group had to do the decent thing, I think Mr Payne's mother put the persuaders on him and I think she has always told the truth, hence the police had confirmation of their suspicions from an early stage. She did not get up from the table, that says it all for me. Good lady!

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