WATCH THIS VIDEO OF KATE AND GERRY INSIDE THE STRASBOURG PARLIAMENT. He denies they neglected or abandoned the children and quite astonishingly states YOU ARE GOING OVER OLD GROUND, IT IS REALLY QUITE BORING! Thanks very much to Di, LGC and others for drawing this to my attention! If he is going to put himself before educated people in a parliament then he is going to have to accept they are going to ask educated questions, demanding to know why he is there, and just how sincere he actually is about childrens' rights.
Hi All
We now have an article in The Times that confirms the McCanns will get access to all evidence against them in July and after that it will be opened up to the public and the press, so we can all see what the case against them involves. It does sound as though the investigation will continue. This is to be welcomed. Moving forward at last and all the speculation will no longer be necessary. If Murat is innocent we will of course find this out to or judge for ourselves from what we see. The disclosure of the details will certainly make an interesting read! I think it is only the McCanns who had something to hide!
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!!!
June 17, 2008
Kate and Gerry McCann to be told why police made them suspects in disappearance of Maddy
David Brown
Madeleine McCann’s parents will be told next month what evidence the police have to make them official suspects in her disappearance, it was announced today.
Portuguese Attorney-General, Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro said Kate and Gerry McCann will be given full access to the case files relating to their daughter’s disappearance last May.
The police inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance shortly before her fourth birthday covers homicide, abandonment, concealment of a corpse and abduction. All evidence in the investigation has until now been covered by strict laws of judicial secrecy.
However, Mr Monteiro told the 24 Horas newspaper today: “In July, the process stops being covered by the judicial secrecy."
AlphaMummy: the parental must-read
This will mean that the thousands of pages of witness statements and other evidence will be made available to the McCanns and their lawyers before being opened to the press and public
Mr Monteiro said that the disclosure of the evidence would not affect the ongoing investigations or possibility of changes.
“We won't rest until the child is found,” he said. “The fact that the judicial secrecy is lifted has nothing to do with the development of the investigations.”
The opening of the files will be welcomed by Mr and Mrs McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire. They have insisted there is absolutely no evidence against them and the police should concentrate their investigation on stranger abduction.
Mr and Mrs McCann were dining with a group of British friends at a tapas restaurant on the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz when Madeleine was reported missing from her bedroom.
The couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, hope the release of the files will lead to the lifting of their status as arguidos (official suspects) imposed last September. Robert Murat, 34, the other official suspect, will also have access to the evidence which he hopes will clear his name.
However, the release of the information could be delayed for several weeks as Portuguese judiciary starts a month-long holiday in the middle of July.
The announcement came as Mr and Mrs McCann embarked on a series of meetings with MEPs in Strasbourg in a renewed effort to secure backing for a Europe-wide child abduction alert system.
The couple have until July 24 - the close of the plenary session - to collect the signatures needed to ensure that their proposal, in the form of a written declaration, is sent to the EU President and published.
They have chalked up 225 signatures so far, leaving them another 168 to collect.
Mr McCann said: “This is an important issue and Europe needs to work together. We want to get as many signatures as possible but there’s limited time left.”
The couple launched the drive for a United States-style Amber Alert in April, but now fear time is running out in their bid to achieve formal recognition of the scheme.
Such a declaration carries no legal weight in the European Union but the McCanns believe it would help them win the moral argument over whether such a cross-border system is needed.
The couple believe a European version of Amber Alert - which notifies the public via media across the US when police confirm a child has been abducted - would have helped the search for their daughter in the crucial hours after her disappearance.
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The Ward of Court story is also in the Daily Wail with comments although mine has not been published.
I will try to indicate a link in another posting as each time I paste it the message above disappears.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1028169/McCanns-asked-missing-Maddie-ward-court.html
Good morning all
Claudia
Thanks for posting the above article.
I wonder what Kate & Gerry have to gain, if it is true that they made Madeleine a ward of court. They are obviously desperate to get their hands on police files.
Perhaps, their new hotline number requesting the public to contact them with the information they gave to police, has not been very successful.
I look forward to reading Viv's views on this.
Thanks, ICTOAN.
Hope, what i find hilarious is that now they not only suspect the PJ, but also the British Police. What are they implying? That the British Police have acess to information that could lead to finding Madeleine (yeah, right!), but refuse to act upon it? Are the British Police in on it? Are the British Police also trying to frame them and that's why they don't want to find Madeleine? What a poor, unfortunate, unlucky couple...
Di, everytime they open their mouths they make it worse. For themselves, I mean. I bet the British officers are very excited about the confidence the McCanns place on them...
N Williams on DM makes a good point.
The court case is the 7th and the files are going to be made public on 14th July. Can they not wait one week.
I wonder, will this case be paid for out of the fund?
Di, maybe they want to know some of the things before anybody else. A good spinning takes planning.
Hi all,
Is it unusual for a child missing in such circumstances to become a Ward of Court. Is this another 'invited Social Services at their behest' cover. The Police and Judicial system surely act in the interest of the child not the neglectful parents. Look at Shannon Matthews she was placed under an Emergency Police Protection Order. Was she also a Ward of Court. If this little girl is found I do not believe it would be simply a matter of K and G here is your missing child, bye.
Have not read all the posts from 9pm onwards last night, sorry if this has been mentioned.
LGC,
I saw your post. I am fine. Results are normal. Just another few tests to go. Thanks.
There may be a clash of newspaper coverage as 7th July is the anniversary of the London Underground bombings.
The other thing to bear in mind is that the Judge may not rule on the matter immediately and reserve judgement to a later date (perhaps after 14th July?).
Zodiac, have you been feeling unwell?
From Di's post,
'The court case is the 7th and the files are going to be made public on 14th July. Can they not wait
one week.'
Is this an attempt to stop the info being made public?
If it is it speaks volumes.
Just like the Strasbourg comments
'you are avoiding the issue' and the most egocentric statement, IMO, 'boring'.
Zodiac
Last night after the news broke I posted the following:
"If Madeleine is a Ward Of Court can the parents make such demands?
It also begs the question who really made her a Ward Of Court and are the twins also Wards?"
There are some interesting comments on 3A's.
An ex-social worker claims the chances are the twins will have also been made wards of court, by Social Services and not the McCanns.
Seems more sensible that making your missing child a ward of court.
Oh, and I am absolutely shocked! Are there leaks in the UK? Did anyone dare to reveal information the celebrities did not wish to be in the public domain? Is this the world we live in nowadays? :-)
Claudia,
I had a Colonoscopy yesterday. Unfortunately I remember most of it. Everything is normal. I have had terrible pain the Doc decided to invesitigate. I just have a few more medical tests to get, one on Tuesday and two more in the near future.
Zodiac
Good point about trying to stop the info being made public.
If the pain was during the colonoscopy, it is quite normal. People react differently to it. I have never had one, but the doctor advised me to have one at around 35 because there is a big cancer history on both sides of my family. The important thing is that the results are normal. I'm sorry for the pain, Zodiac. I hope everything will be back to normal soon.
Zodiac
Poor you :o((
Hope everything turns out ok :o))
ICTOAN (good to read you again), DI and all,
I do not believe that they made their missing child a Ward of Court and would not be surprised if the twins are also the same.
Spin, spin and more spin. They really are boring and ignorant to assume that the public are gullible. Judging by the Strasbourg vid when they make there gaffs, they look very uncomfortable and desperate, IMO. I think there will be a lot of brown stuff hitting a very fast fan in the next few weeks and months. No wonder he gets so much time off work. Would he be allowed patient contact, given his personal circumstances. I am surprised he is not suspended until all this is cleared up.
It seems logical to me that the twins might have been made Wards Of Court. If it was done at the same time as Madeleine it was before the wonder couple fled Portugal.
As it seems they were under suspicion at that time and liable to arrest, IMO it would have made repatriation of the twins to the UK easier.
Thanks Di and Claudia,
Claudia for the reasons you explain is why I had one done. I believe it will be every 5 years I will have one done. The pain during the procedure was not as bad as the pain I have been suffering on a daily basis.
BBFN, read you all later.
I wonder if something was about to be leaked and Clarence got in quick.
Normally, the spin is released in the Sunday papers.
Off myself now.
I will look back in later.
Zodiac, I have a very good friend who also experience that kind of pain. It turned out it was irritable bowel syndrome. He found out he suffered from celiac disease and had gluten intolerance. He only found out in his thirties. Once he took that into account in his diet, he was just fine. I hope you'll be back to normal soon.
See you later!
See you later, Di.
Hi All
The McCanns could have made Madeleine a Ward of Court as suggested to ensure that all matters relating to her are dealt with in UK courts. It is also possible Leicester Social Services could have done so as in the Killshaw case - the couple who bought twins on the internet in US.
As far as disclosure of Leics Police papers, I think we need to remember that it is only the Portuguese Police file that will be opened up, not Leics Police. We just do not do that. It also pays to bear in mind, UK have jurisdiction to prosecute the McCanns in the UK for homicide.
Viv x
Zodiac
I am very sorry to hear you have been suffering with painful bowel symptoms. My mom suffers a lot with this. Now you have had the investigative surgery I really hope you can soon get the diagnosis and treatment you need. I certainly know how rotten it is to live with constant pain.
Take care
Viv x
What the McCanns are hoping for is for the files to be opened relating to scores of reported sightings of Madeleine that were sent by the Portuguese Police to the Leicester Police opened.
I assume what we will be hearing from the PJ's in mid July is evidence relating to Madeleine's disappearance involving the McCanns and maybe their tapas friends.
I think that the latest revelation is an attempt to keep information re Madeline under wraps as the Court would perhaps put a stop on any disclosure of information into the public doamin in the interests of the ward of court. The Police papers may have information that the sightings are/were a set up and if linked back to Metodo 3 and the McCann fund as their employers it would be disasterous PR especially in their home base the UK all IMO.
I have always said that the McCanns returning from holiday without Madeline would have alarm bells ringing with the UK authorities, as it is possible neglect losing a child in your care, so perphaps SS applied for the Care order. Now being dressed up as they asked for it. Rubbish, but if so, was it to give credance to the fact that she was alive?? What is this leak really hiding other news??? What are they still hiding? Hmmmm.
Zodiac -
Sorry to hear you've been suffering and I hope they quickly find out what's wrong and that you are soon feeling like your old self!
Nx
Hi Joe -
You make a good point - and as for what it is they are hiding - short answer - plenty!
Hopefully the cover up operation will soon be blown sky high!
One other thing the claim that they want info re the sightings that might lead to a breakthrough is jaw dropping. Any such info they already have. Have they been looking for Madeline? Did they ever rush to any of the sightings in the last 12 months. NO and no. The real reason IMO is that they want to see what they are up against and what the British police have on them before the PJ release thier files.
I just read Bugalugs 1970 on the 3A's who is probably a lawyer, but anyway knows about Wardship proceedings.
He or she said: "dodgy fcukers...long game eh Gerry McCann...you certainly did plan ahead!"
Just in case anyone is unsure of what Ward of Court means - when a child is made a Ward of Court all matters affecting the upbringing becomes the responsibility of the Court. The Court determines matters such as the child's residence, education, maintenance, holidays etc, and a third party can seek custody of a child against the actions of a parent by bringing Wardship Proceedings.
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That's an interesting bit of information!!
Joe -
This whole thing could backfire on them in my opinion, and they will end up just getting on the wrong side of the Leicestershire Police!
I certainly wasn't aware that a Plaintiff could make the police Defendants in a case!
However, these two seem to have the backing of everyone but God on their side.
Hiya Nancy,
do you not think they are already on the wrong side of Leics Police!!!
I think the Police would be Respondents and I think they will win in seeking to continue to keep information concerning the investigation confidential from Kate and Gerry McCann.
Is Mr McMillan-Scott, God? or Clarence Mitchell? You could have fooled me :-)))))))
Nancy/Viv,
From what I have read the Police are going to contest the action, obvoiusly for a very good reason. By golly for an alleged abduction case the McCanns have made this case very complicated. The qusetion is why would they leak this info now when they could have just gone ahead to the Court on the 7th July nobody the wiser. They employ the pink clown to cover and spin so why give free info unless its to cover bigger stuff.... look here, another smokescreen?
Maybe they are really going to court for another reason? Perhaps the PJ are going to spoil the party before the 14th July and they are trying to head it off??? Have they ever thought of going into politics...... oh sorry they think they are already.
Zodiac,
Very glad to hear that everything 'normal' but sorry for your pain. Hope that your doctors find a way to ease it for you.
ICTOAN - it must have been ages!! Glad to read you again.
Been away from my pc last few days as i've been working. It's taken me all week to write 2000 words - lol!
Have I missed anything?
xx
Viv/Joe -
Viv -
You are right I think - the LP's would be Respondents and the McCanns'Claimants I would think.
I'm sure the LP's will put up a strong response too in view of the fact that they are going to court to challenge the McCanns and their lawyers.
I'm not sure who act for the Police in these sort of cases, but I should think that the Court directs lawyers to act?
I would think out of the two CM considers himself more like God, although it's a close contest!!
Joe -
I would be surprised if the McCanns don't have an ulterior motive, i.e. putting the spotlight on the Ward of Court issue at this particular time. They have clever lawyers!
Let's hope the LP's win the case because if not it will give the McCanns something else to smirk about!
Hi Dylan -
Nice to see you - looks like you are going to have to read through another 2000 words!!
The latest thing is the Daily Telegraph report about the McCanns -v- the Leicestershire Police - hearing 7th July. The McCanns want them to disclose the papers regarding all the different sightings and would be abductors sent to the LP's by the PJ's!
They have the best lawyers money can buy, but as they are fighting the Police, they may not necessarily end up getting their way - we shall see!!
What was your thesis about?
Nx
Nance, lol! Since when were they interested in the sightings?! What a laugh! I hope the LP tell them where to get off (nicely, of course)
Thesis is about Southern Ocean. Trying to match observations with the mathematical model so that we can run it for longer time periods to see what will happen in future changing climate. I am such a slow writer as I get distracted by journals and end up spending ages trying to understand them. I'm a bit thick with ocean dynamics!
How are you?
xx
Dylan -
Are you at university?
You sound anything but thick to me my love!
Ocean dynamics - well, me and the other half had a bit of those with a particularly wavy swim in the med this morning - that's about my knowledge of oceans - that sometimes they are as smooth as silk and other times throw you all over the place, but I love swimming in the sea.
It looks as though we have an interesting few weeks ahead with the LP's and the PJ's - once they just meant records and lemon juice to me LOL!!
See you later - off for a nice meal and an evening stroll.
Nancy x
Ever since the neglect issue came up we have been informed by the pink clown that the McCanns have had legal advice that "their parenting was responsible", so is that why the Courts made Madeline a Ward of Court then? Sack those legal advisors now. More lies then this "responsible parenting" soundbyte rubbish.
Nancy, lucky you! I would much rather be swimming in it, believe me. Just maybe not in Antarctica - brrr! (or the North Sea, come to mention it. It's very unsummery here!)
LPs and PJ lemon juice, I remember them too. I think PJ still make lemon juice and I still have some LPs but no record player to play them on.
Enjoy your stroll and meal. :-)
Joe, obviously the legal advice was not humanitarian advice. Respnsible parenting, my a***e!
xx
Anonymous said...
"Oh please don't tell me that Viv is going for the sympathy vote?
Eff off Viv, don't you dare tout for sympathy, not after the things you have said and the agony you have tried to cause to human beings who are mourning the loss of their daughter."
Lovely stuff from a 'lady'. By 'mourning' you mean 'milking', right?
"And Zodiac, grow up you stupid fool and for God's sake stop crawling, it is stomach churning just reading it. Grow a backbone you spineless minion."
This is without doubt the nastiest insult I have ever read on the internet. What a yob you are. I feel sorry for those members of your family who feel obliged to feign their love for you.
Hiya Doc
Never mind their insults, I am much more interested in :
The McCanns v Leicestershire Police
in the High Court of Justice
Family Division!
I have to disagree with Dilly, the McCanns are extremely interested to know what evidence the police have about false sightings which have perpetuated one of the most serious frauds I have ever heard of!
I do not believe the McCanns will have been granted Legal Aid, they will be using the Find Madeleine Fund, their Defence Fighting Fund. Leicestershire Police will be represented by a QC I would imagine and will not be wanting the McCanns to have details of the criminal investigation against them. It certainly looks to me like the plan is to prosecute the McCanns in the UK and there will be a lot of offences!
Viv x
Fraud? You're joking!
Hi Doc
Now, I know I am right not to go over there....
To those of you having a go at Zodiac, what goes around comes around, PLEASE remember that!
You won't be getting any sympathy from me when you need a rubber ring to sit on.
Hiya Doc
Not on this occasion, no, I have always emphasised how serious the fraud in this case is!
In April we heard the McCanns were having a book ghost written for them which they hoped to make a profit from, but publishers feel the story to date is already well told, it needs a conclusion. I think Detective Sup Prior will give it one!
Viv x
Hi Viv
That makes interesting reading!!
Hiya Di
Forgive them, they just do not have the capacity to understand what is going on!
Viv x
Hi Di
Hope you've never needed that rubber ring.
Viv
Yep. :-) I'm just trying to watch some footer at the minute.
Viv
Are the McCanns allowed to use the fund to pay for their defence.
Forgive me for being thick! I thought the money was raised to help find Madeleine. Were other clauses written into the fund that were hidden.
Hiya Di
There is a clause that states the Fund may be used to support family, so clearly the McCanns can do what they like with it. But they would no doubt argue they are using the Fund to find Madeleine because their case would seem to be they need to know full details of these sightings so that they can have them properly investigated. Tell it to the Judge!
Doc
Not yet, but I am sinking fast with the twists and turns of this case..LOL
Hiya Viv,
I meant that they never seem to have hopped on a jet to the location of the 'sightings'. If were my child, I would be there in a flash! Sorry for my misleading wording ;-)
So, do you really think they might be tried here? I think it's a bit daft of them to pursue this & that they are playing with fire. Unbelievable! could you explain why they want to know about what the LP hold about the sightings? I know I'm being a bit dim to say the least!!
Docmac, read some stuff about moi on STroll on the darkside's site. Found it quite amusing to read how chinadoll perceives me to be. Apparently I am emotionally immature and the type of person, who when at school, sucked up to all of the bullies in an ingratiating manner!! C.dull couldn't be more wrong :-)))
What a horrible thing to say about Zodiac. Talk about emotionally immature (one 'm' or two?!)
Sorry Viv, back to topic.....
xx
Hi Viv
If I remember correctly Brian Kennedy is paying Met/3's wages.
If, the McCanns do get the file showing all the possible sightings from Leics police, Met/3 are in for a very busy time, and Brian Kennedy had better order several cheque books, imo.
Viv
I can tell you that Richard Branson won the God vote on 3A's. The thread is now locked, I am not surprised!!
Hiya
Well the McCanns already know details of the sightings, so what is to stop them investigating them?
In my opinion they themselves arranged these sightings and they want to know exactly what the police have on them. Why else would they be taking Leicester Police on now? Does anyone seriously believe that Leicestershire Police have details of credible sightings of Madeleine that they failed to investigate. They know for a fact Madeleine is dead and it is the origins of these sightings they will have investigated with the assistance of Interpol. ONE call, where the caller seemed to be "in the know" came from an unregistered pay as you go mobile in South America but the caller would not even tell them where he was, they found out! He never rang back either!
It pays to bear in mind that if the McCanns know Madeleine is dead then they are committing very serious fraud. In fact it does not get much more serious!
"Really docrot?????????
I must find you some of yours and viles out,you posted about rosiepops. Don't you remember when you said you would send rosiepops a wreath? ...
Of course not you said she was lying about those, I'll jog your memory for you shortly...
Also the ones to maureen?...
Nice try though! Hows Prat these days ?...
CR is quiet too."
21 June 2008 20:09
Jog my memory then. Come on, put up or shut up. I never posted about any wreath you liar. Come on, I dare you. You're just like your mate who said I was was about to be exposed. Months ago.
Yes Dyl I have seen that. It was a dull read indeed.
What we seem to be hearing is that PJ passed information on to Leics Police. So what are the McCanns going to have released to them by the PJ, what Leics Police say can be released? I would not be surprised!
Viv x
Viv
I am a bit slow I know, an age thing.
I think I understand what you are now saying. When you mentoned fraud, I was thinking of the fund, but I think what you are now saying is the fraud is attached to all the fixed sightings. So I assume Met/3 are involved up to their necks, as well as many others!!
This case has taken a completely new turn!!
Doc,
Maybe they would like me to get out all the racist posts they made about the PJ/other Portuguese people/Hitler/a Muslim region in Africa! Mum21 and Rosie support the BNP more than they support Kate and Gerry IMO. But if they are so Pro-McCann now the McCanns have moved on to their real enemy Leicestershire Police, let us wait and see what they start saying about them!
It will not take long!
Hiya Di
How many times do you think the motive for homicide is money, well quite a lot!
Hi Viv
Point taken, I get there eventually.. :o))
Hiya Di
Perhaps I could explain better. Gerry and Kate have always worried about keeping this case in the media, we want to remind people Madeleine is still out there. Having lots of false sightings would certainly remind people and make them give generously feeling they would be helping to find Madeleine. AS for Mr Marco his business partner got done for dealing millions of pounds worth of cocaine! Criminal, too damn right and hand picked by Gerry McCann because no other firm wanted to take them on, as Mr Marco explained to The Times, we were the only firm that accepted what Mr McCann was saying that Madeleine had been taken by a sexual predator.
I do not see the case as taking on a new turn, more moving towards its conclusion!
Viv x
Sherbet I left off the last bit of the last quote. And now there's a follow-up too.
" Also the ones to maureen?...
Nice try though! Hows Prat these days ?...
CR is quiet too.
21 June 2008 20:09
Anonymous said...
Notdoc, and what about the nasty insults about Madeleine posted on that blog you support. You never condemn them, your double standards are astounding you moron.
And I feel sorry for someone that has to feign they are a doctor for a living. You are pathetic."
21 June 2008 20:52
Maureen who the heck is CR?
I insulted Madeleine too? Again, put up or shut up.
I 'feign being a doctor for a living?' You feign speaking English to try and convince me you actually exist.
Doc
That's enough quotes from them, thanks!
If we want to read their rubbish we know where it is!
Viv x
Have to say, I am glad it is footy at the moment as I get plenty of time to post.
A friend asked me today, if I felt like a football widow, as ahe did. Mmmmmm let me think about that one.. She understood the answer..LOL
Hi All, watching the Dutch at moment but interrupt to post this for those Spanish speakers that asked for it again
The music song link is...
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=qq49HvA9nY0
No basta by Franco de Vita
Any further problems with link look for it on You tube directly.
The words could have been written to Gerry & Kate directly, it is that poignant.
Sorry boss. Nite x.
Viv, Leicestershire people will no doubt become "them foreign b*****rds", apart from the McCanns, of course who are rightful king and queen of said county!!
Still don't understand why they would want the sighting details. Is it because they want to know if their duplicity has been exposed? I could understand if they believed she was still missing but they know she isn't don't they? Are they planning to sue do you think, for not following up sightings?
xx
Viv
Hearing those words, coming to a conclusion, sounds good to me.
As long as in the end, there is justice for Madeleine a beautiful little girl hardly even mentioned by her own parents anymore.
Docmac here is the link you asked for about the Strasbourg sham a few days ago.
http://ec.europa.eu/streamebs/cgi/ebs.pl?p=70766&s=124701&key=242CDCC0AEBE1654A22C5391B1770829D6333C96
Gerry being priceless Gerry.
Now back to the game , its getting cruch time
Hiya both
The McCanns are fighting the police who are investigating them. That is a measure of just how desperate they are to know just how bad the evidence is against them. Imagine if you had done something so terrible and you could not find out from the police just what they knew. If you try and imagine that you will understand why the McCanns are doing this and just how they must be feeling.
I firmly believe that Leicstershire Police will be compiling a file for their prosecution with the assistance of the Crown Prosecution Service who we know have already been advising on this case. It is intensely complicated and the police need lawyers to tell them where the evidence is weak and where they need to do more work etc to secure convictions, beyond reasonable doubt.
Doc, did you decide I am in charge:-)))))Did you forget I am madly in love with you and do everything you say, Supertroll says so, so that must be right!!
Viv x
Dutch have scored 1-1 now
Viv perhaps your best words to date in all your blogs ...
The McCanns are fighting the police who are investigating them. That is a measure of just how desperate they are to know just how bad the evidence is against them. Imagine if you had done something so terrible and you could not find out from the police just what they knew. If you try and imagine that you will understand why the McCanns are doing this and just how they must be feeling.
Quite right of course. These two are so desperate now the only people they can fight against next is ..... THEMSELVES
BT
I am not having a bet with you anymore..LOL..I lose big time
BT
And, perhaps the rest of the tapas..
By the way I saw a girl who looked like Maddie in my local park today whilst out with my boys. She was with a lady who looked Moroccan and a guy who looked like an egg. Of course even though I thought it was her I didnt dare approach and say 'Maddie' to see if she looked at me. Do you think I should ring the hotline?
As said before Maddie had a better moral compass than these two when she asked them why she was left alone and they then continued to ignore her. I am confident she will be smiling in a few months time but alas I feel it will be her soul not her body and soul that will feel a sense of contentment when the charade is finally fully exposed.
Di , what you dont know is at work I said Germany 3 Portugal 2 so I looked really good there. Unfortunatley I got the turkish result wrong last night too
Actually Viv, what are the chances of Kate and Gerry fighting themselves once the courtroom becomes a certainty?
Hi BT and thanks.
I agree, once this charade is fully exposed little Madeleine can finally be at peace.
She spoke to her mother as a normal distressed little child would, Kate McCann's dismissive response was anything but normal.
Viv x
Bt
At least you come clean and admit your mistakes!!
Whereas some people would like us to keep believing their charades!!
Hi BT
I gather from your question that of course you understand that when such a couple get prosecuted this is when the relationship finally falls apart. Needing to avoid the police is the only glue that binds them together, Kate already expresses contempt in the looks that she gives to Gerry and has done from the outset.
Also, from the outset, Gerry and his sister Philomena have been putting in place the defence of Gerry, so clearly suggesting Kate is mad and dangerous. She screams in the middle of the night, she cannot be left alone with the children, she was offered a deal etc. Gerry will not hesitate to blame Kate, knowing as he does, the police have no evidence of what precisely happened in that apartment and by whom. But I firmly believe Kate is far more intelligent than him, although clearly very unwell, when it comes to it I think she will reveal the truth about this man to try and save herself, but they will both go down, for a very long time, IMO.
Viv x
Viv
One thing that puzzles me is if the Leicestershire Police have been investigating and may be the ones to bring charges why was there a need to wait for the rogatory letters to be approved by HMG?
Viv
Letting Madeleine rest in peace, is what I am sure, all of the posters here want to happen. The sooner the better as far as I am conecerned.
But, only if it leads to justice for Madeliene.
Hi ICTOAN
I need to be careful how much I say but if you think it through, the friends believed they might be prosecuted for neglect.
Additionally there are problems with the evidence in a Portuguese Court and how some of it was obtained.
Viv x
OK Viv
Thanks1
Viv
You could well be right about the intelligence thing. Do you remember the story that at medical school she was always out partying but would also always get grades to pass. Anyone who has been to university knows that this is extremely hard to do unless you have a fantastic level of academic intelligence and or great memory for facts. He seems the sort that has had to work to egt where he has, driven by something, perhaps his desire to get away from his lower class roots and hence the fascination for status.
The friends cannot be prosecuted for neglect in a UK court because the offence happened in Portugal. But the UK can prosecute for homicide, fraud etc. no matter where it took place.
Viv
I only have to look at your thread picture to see either loathing or fear on Kate's face.
To be hones,t I think I see the look of fear. Could just be me though!
BT
~Those are my thoughts too!
Viv x
Hiya Di
It is a combination of fear and loathing, I think, isn't it.
Viv x
If they do fall out and blame each other I wonder which one will get the highly paid QC.
ICTOAN
Nice to see you again by the way.
IMO GERRY... absolutely no doubt.
Hiya ICTOAN
Where there is a conflict of interests in a homicide case Legal Aid will pay for them both to have a QC who will also have a barrister each to assist them. There would also be solicitors working on the preparation. The bill to the taxpayer will be enormous although the Judge could make an Order they contribute to the costs from the Find Madeleine Fund if there is any left. Of course it must be borne in mind the Daily Express sued Archer for their money back, plus interest and costs in the civil courts alongside him being prosecuted in the criminal court and this could clearly happen again, leaving McCanns with no money left!
Equity in their home would probably be held on trust for the welfare of the twins.
Viv x
Viv
If phone evidence was obtained here, before clarence so kindly tipped the McCanns off that they were being bugged. Would that be admissible in our courts?
Viv
If the legal costs come out of public funds one consolation is that double-glazing salesmen won't be going into overdrive.
Off now everyone
See you all tomorrow.
Enjoy the rest of your evening
x
Hiya
Phone taps, covert surveillance etc only happen in the UK with the appropriate authority and so if that happened, then yes, it will be admissible. Bugging is frequently a central feature in prosecuting terrorist cases here, e.g. putting a video in the house.
Let us hope so!
Viv x
Hiya ICTOAN
Of course the McCanns do not have to accept Legal Aid, they could privately fund their defence, but in a homicide case Legal Aid will pay for top lawyers, a QC.
But maybe they will need Mr Smethurst! If you know what I mean!
To me, there must be some connection or even involvement of DG man so maybe he will be paying the costs but I think they could approach £1M. Some criminal cases have cost considerably more than that, usually major fraud cases that go on for months, e.g. the Maxwell brothers trial cost the British tax payer several million and I think they probably did have the money to pay, but of course, they were acquitted..Really tough for juries to follow months of complex evidence hence the proposal that judges alone should deal with such cases.
Viv x
It must be something important that they are after from the LP?. Is is to get a jump on the PJ evidence due a week after, to try and get an inkling and then get an injuction to stop it being made public, to do that they would have to know what it is, hence the info the LP have given to them by the PJ.
The wonderful Metodo3 have come up with nothing despite the high fees.
Hiya Joe
I suppose it is just remotely possible they might get an injunction if they could persuade the Family Court Judge such disclosure could impact on the welfare of the twins. We only have Clarence's word for it that it was the McCanns who made Madeleine a Ward, it is clearly also possible Leicester Social Services made all three of them Wards given one had gone missing and the other two were in Portugal with two suspects! The idea of Wardship is that the Court feel that children are at such grave risk of harm the Court itself becomes responsible for the welfare of the children and all decisions concerning them, but as I said above, it is perfectly possible the McCanns did do this themselves, I did read they had a lot of input with family lawyers in the early stage and this would certainly explain why and Gerry's comment about the Fund was paying for a lot of legal advice for them. Instructing Solicitors and barristers to make Madeleine a Ward would have been pretty expensive!
I still feel it is far more likely the McCanns now know it is Leicesterhire Police they have to fear and that is what this application is all about. I have always felt this was a joint effort between Portugal and UK with one clear and ultimate aim, to net a couple of really serious criminals and maybe another couple who got so involved.
Viv x
Viv
Does the Family Court Judge have to give an immediate judgement or can it be deferred for further consideration
(say for example 7 days).
Hi Viv,
Such an injunction if it is the intention would only be applicabale I presume in the UK? Also if it was the case it is ironic that they have been clambouring for the release of the files for ages and now that they are imminent it is possibly an attempt to bury them. I doubt if they will be able to stop disclosure in PT. It might explain some of the reluctance of the press but interfere. They are clearly now terrified of info coming into the public and the press having a free for all or perhaps it is something completely different and this tactic is a distraction?
Nite all, off to bed.
xx
Hiya ICTOAN
Reserved judgments are often made so that they judge can consider and prepare.
Joe,
I do not think the McCanns would mess about with a High Court Judge merely as a means of delaying or confusing! I think it will be a serious fight against Leicestershire Police to try and force them to disclose information. I would be interested to know how their lawyers think they can win this one though given the importance attached to criminal law and the autonomy of the police to conduct their work, as they see fit.
Viv x
Nite Dillie
good to hear from you again
viv x
Viv,
It is unlikely then that they will win such a case, as why would a judge pass an order to allow information to the McCanns flunkeys Met 3 when the professional Police would be the best placed to act on any relevant info that they possess,(they would have to convince the court that the Police/PJ are incompetent and failing the Ward of Court in their duty), the only conclusion is then IMO that it is a distraction tactic from something else.
Hi all,
Thank you for your kind words. As for the AH who says I do not have a backbone. LOL! the nastier you become confirms that a raw nerve is being touched.
Viv, have I told you lately that I love you, can I do anything for you tidy your house, do your shopping, clean your toilet with my toothbrush, grovel, grovel grovel I am your minion. Well if the AH's are talking about me they are leaving someone else alone.
It is reassuring to know that the Leicestershire Police are also involved in this live ongoing investigation and that the Arguidi could be pi**ing them off also. Even if the Arguidi do manage to stop the contents of the investigation being made availabe in the UK there is still the Portuguese press and I am sure our Portuguese posters will keep us up to date.
Just off put some cream on my knees this crawling really makes them so sore.
Boa noite, all.
xxxx
Hiya both
Well the McCanns are certain going into overdrive with their defence lately, poor souls must be exhausted. Briefing the Strasbourg Parliament that seemed to be only peopled with journalists, how exhausting and time wasting. And then briefing their lawyers for a big legal fight against Leicestershire Police and er likewise.
Zodiac
It is amusing the things they say about us isn't it, they are clearly feeling very cross. According to Mark55 the McCanns won before they even went to court. He always was a mine of useful information and it just shows how good it is to be a McCann, all you have to do is get your case listed for hearing and you won! According to him this actually proves the Judge believes Madeleine is still alive, before she even heard the case. Simply amazing! Any other litigants who dread their impending court battle should just listen to Marky, do not worry, if it gets listed for a hearing, game set and match, ha ha ha!
Well I hope the cream on your knees works OK, mate:-))))))
Luv Viv x
Boa Noite querida Claudia
Dorme bem
Viv xxxxxxx
Viv, you always maake me smile. And I was already smiling. It's just a wider smile now! :-)
xxxx
Hiya Hun
Well we can sit back and smile now, so many good reasons to do so and just watching them cuss and rave is very amusing.
Justice for Dear Little Maddie
and my congratulations to PJ and Leicestershire Police, great team work, in fact, game, set and match!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
A while ago I put up some posts about Brian Kennedy and his connection to Leicestershire through his son going to its most expensive poshest school Uppingham. I believe it is this connection that has brought him into helping the McCanns together with his Scottish rugby links and thus banking and political connections in Scotland.
Now the point is who is to say that this will actually help the McCanns?
Maybe the people high up in Leicstershire police don't like the group or people involved with the McCanns through their particular connection in Rothley or Uppingham.
Life is strange that way. A connection may open doors and protect you and your ways but over time, as the facts unravel, if what you have done is unpalatable only a truly hardened criminal (IMO) would continue to back a parent who was involved in their eldest child's disappearance.
As I said yesterday there is nowhere for these two to go anymore.
(IMO) THE ONLY PEOPLE LEFT FOR THEM TO FIGHT WILL BE THEMSELVES - IMPLOSION.
Justice for Maddie :)
Good morning all -
Am I the only one who find it completely unacceptable that the Madeleine Fund - set up in the beginning for the sole purpose of finding Madeleine, has not only paid off some of the McCann's mortgage, but is probably also being used to pay their legal fees. I hope they have auditors keeping an eye on what's going on with the Fund.
I'm sure the people who contributed at the beginning are slightly put out that their hard earned money is paying the McCann's day to day expenses too.
It would be interesting to know just how this fund is being used and what it has paid for so far, including CM an M3 fees.
Hi Bath Theory -
I think there is even more to it than that - I think Brian Kennedy has connections with Metodo 3 as well and that's why he put the McCanns on to them.
Why would he have connections with a Spanish company who are fraud specialists abd why not choose a company in the UK for instance?
I certainly don't think he was a chance contributor to their Fund, but I'm sure that he was already waiting in the wings.
All will be revealed in time!!
Morning BT and Nancy
I thought the Madeleine fund would be available to view at their year end but someone told me on here new companies have 18 months?
For a small fee you can download all the information from any PLC from Equifax including how much the directors and other people are paid (It dosent name names but says highest paid director etc)... Would be intresting in a few months to see where the money has gone to.
They look very worried to me Gerry's boring comment was discusting and IMHO if they knew there could be no evidence of any harm comming to Madeleine in the apartment they would not need to keep spinning.
If you look at the pictures from when she was first taken they look relaxed and happy at times as soon as they realised people were not buying all thier spin and people were questioning their version of event everything changed.
I cant imagine loosing either of my girls but saving my own skin would not come into it if I had been so selfish to neglect them I would say so then most normal people who would feel guilty even if the child had been ripped from their arms (why did I not fight more)...
We know they neglected 3 children they cant pretend they did not it is a fact yet they spin spin spin and say they did not. So if they can try and change the truth of something we all know happend they will spin everything else.
To any Pro reading yes what happend was tragic, sad, devestating,and discusting and Madeleine deserved a lot better than to be NEGLECTED and turned into a marketing campaingne. The CNN interview one year on Gerry say's "The fear you have for yourself" before mentioning Madeleines fear and if he really believes that she is in the hands of a peadophile ring her fear is more than any of us would ever understand.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/02/mccann.year/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Children first.
The interests of Kate and Gerry McCann and the interest of Madeleine imo are not the same. Therefore to have an independent party (courts) to oversee Madeleine’s interests makes sense.
Again imo it was likely Madeleine was to be made a ward of court whether the Mc’s wanted it or not, but by agreeing rather than contesting the issue, or even pre-empting it, allows for the spin “it was at their suggestion;” thus showing them in a more reasonable light.
A legal point – if an English court says they can see the documents from the Portuguese authorities, does this mean the Portuguese have to abide by this? Do the McCanns only want to see the Leicestershire police investigation papers only? Are the Leicestershire police’s documents all their own or are some of them copyright of the Portuguese police?
I thought the Portuguese police were releasing the papers on the 14th July anyway? When did this change?
Good morning all,
Vid link below copied from 3 A's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-EndS-V9Y
PMSL.
A CNN interview with the 'boring' duo. Lots of sighs, nose and ear scratching.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/02/mccann.year/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Thanks for the links Hope, Zodiac and Wizard.
I have no idea whether an English Court can force the PJ's to reveal any information they have sent through to the LP's. I should think it would depend on how the case proceeds, but with new EEC laws covering all European countries, it could well be they would have to.
I'm sure Viv would be able to answer that question.
Hi Nancy very bad body language I thought (but am no expert)...
Zodiac I hope you are recovered now xxx
Good afternoon everyone
For those of you who don't visit 3A,s I thought you might be interested to read this.
BishopBrennan2 wrote:
Sos Maddie has an updated version of their take on the story. Some scepticism about who made her a ward...
"Kate and Gerry McCann are looking to a high-court judge in London to order the Leicestershire police to give them access to documents relating to the enquiry into the disappearance of their daughter. The case is due to take place in open Family Court on the the 7th July, where the police will contest access to the documents.
This information, revealed yesterday afternoon, is confirmed by a source in Enderby police.
Until now the UK police have always refused to give the McCanns and their lawyers access to the documents linked to the enquiry, claiming that they are protected by an agreement with the Portuguese police.
“The document will not help find Madeleine, but revealing their contents puts the successful outcome of the enquiry at risk”, confirmed a British officer at Enderby, stressing that “these documents contain the identity of all the witnesses interviewed in the UK as well as their statements, it also contains the results of the expert tests carried out by the FSS. Early release of this information puts a successful outcome of the enquiry in doubt.”
According to the McCann’s spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, the request has apparently been made by Kate and Gerry McCann acting “in Madeleine’s name” and targeting the release of certain documents.
Madeleine Made a Ward of Court
Arriving back in the UK in September after their hasty departure from Portugal, Kate and Gerry saw Madeleine being put into the wardship of the High Court – a status designed to protect the interests of the child despite her being missing.
According to Clarence Mitchell, the request for wardship was made on the request of the McCanns, but a Leicestershire County Council source contacted by telephone refused to confirm this version of events, stating only that “the authorities acted in the interests of Madeleine alone”.
On the 10th Septemeber 2007, representatives from the police and the Leicestershire County Council met together to review the situation regarding the couple, the twins and the disappearance of Madeleine. A few days later, representatives of social services went to meet with the couple in Rothley.
Kate and Gerry McCann are hoping that their request to judge Mary Claire Hogg will be heard and that the Leicestershire police will be forced to give them access to the files so that they can “assist with their own private search” said Clarence.
Dame Mary Claire Hogg, 52, comes from a famous family line in both politics and the judiciary. She is the daughter of the former Lord Chancellor (Lord Hailsham) and sister to the former Agriculture minister Douglas Hogg. "
DI
Thanks for that..
I find it amazing that the suspects in a case are acting the way they are and although I know nothing about law if the Police have a copy of the results from the FSS they know if the McCann's are telling the truth or not?
If Madeleines DNA was recovered from the apartment and it is proved that the DNA was from a Cadavar then it will show clearly that she was not abducted.
If she wasnt abducted then they have been lying.
IMHO if it is proved she died in the apartment and they cant prove who did what when and how then they can arret them for Fraud as there was no need for a fund to find her and they knew it when they set it up.
It would be so easy for the PJ to hold thier hands up and say we have no evidence of anything happening and sorry but we cant find her we will leave it to M3 here are all our witness statements help yourselves.
But they havent!!! xxx
"This information, revealed yesterday afternoon, is confirmed by a source in Enderby police.
Until now the UK police have always refused to give the McCanns and their lawyers access to the documents linked to the enquiry, claiming that they are protected by an agreement with the Portuguese police.
“The document will not help find Madeleine, but revealing their contents puts the successful outcome of the enquiry at risk”, confirmed a British officer at Enderby, stressing that “these documents contain the identity of all the witnesses interviewed in the UK as well as their statements, it also contains the results of the expert tests carried out by the FSS. Early release of this information puts a successful outcome of the enquiry in doubt.”
According to the McCann’s spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, the request has apparently been made by Kate and Gerry McCann acting “in Madeleine’s name” and targeting the release of certain documents.
Madeleine Made a Ward of Court
Arriving back in the UK in September after their hasty departure from Portugal, Kate and Gerry saw Madeleine being put into the wardship of the High Court – a status designed to protect the interests of the child despite her being missing.
According to Clarence Mitchell, the request for wardship was made on the request of the McCanns, but a Leicestershire County Council source contacted by telephone refused to confirm this version of events, stating only that “the authorities acted in the interests of Madeleine alone”. "
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Ouch, this must have hurt the pros like sliding through a blade and then landing in a pool of alcohol!
Jesus. I would advise suicide watch for some of them.
So, according to this article:
1 - There are leaks in the UK n(shocking!)
2 - The UK Police has contradicted the McCanns' wished. )Ouch!)
3 - The info in the files will not help find Madeleine (what a surprise!).
4 - There is the possibility of a successful outcome to the enquiry although it has been said Madeleine won't be found (Hmmm, I wonder what they mean...)
5 - FSS results? What results? Are there any results? There is no such thing as FSS results. FSS analised air, we all know that (Ouch, ouch, ouch!)
6 - Hasty departure? How dare they? (Ooops!).
7 - “the authorities acted in the interests of Madeleine alone”. " )Oooouuuucccchhhh!!!)
Somebody please, call an ambulance. NOW!
Hi Hope
Totally agree. It is interesting that the officer at Enderby says the release of the documents will not help find Madeleine, but puts the successful outcome of the enquiry at risk. Let's hope the Police put up a good fight to keep these documents private, as they obviously feel there is going to be a successful outcome to this case.
IMO this is what is frightening Kate and Gerry so much. To be taking the Police to court they must know the documents are very damageing.
Hi Claudia
LOL :o))
If what Bishopbrennan posted on the 3A site is true then my post of last night may be correct....
It must be something important that they are after from the LP?. Is is to get a jump on the PJ evidence due a week after, to try and get an inkling and then get an injuction to stop it being made public, to do that they would have to know what it is, hence the info the LP have given to them by the PJ.
The wonderful Metodo3 have come up with nothing despite the high fees.
Nothing at all to do with finding Madeline, but an attempt to sabotage the investigation agin using Madeline as the vehicle to protect themselves IMO
I went to SOS Maddie and the article there, in French, says exactly that. It's not something someone made up on the 3 As. :-)
Di, ;-)
Hope -
you can say that again! But then they have never come over as telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!
Regarding the McAnns' request for disclosure of the documents by the LP's - Claudia's post:
'An Enderby Police Officer said that the early release of this information puts a successful outcome of the enquiry into doubt.'
That wouldn't be the reason the McCanns and their solicitors are taking this step before the PJ's Official Enquiry in mid July would it?
"Responsible parenting" McCann style where the Courts make Madeline a ward of court in her interests. Pity the UK Court who gave the Order did not agree with this style of parenting spun by the pink clown for the last 6 months plus. It is ludicrous.
Hi Claudia
Thanks for clarifying the post.
Joe. I agree, but I hope as Madeleine in now a WOC the Judge cannot stop the police using the information in any future trial, especially if it also divulged information about Madeleine.
Joe -
I think you were right in what you said yesterday - an attempt to sabotage the investigation.
They are running scared and so are their overpaid lawyers, and CM must be biting his nails back to the quick!!
If it was the Social Services who instigated the move to make Madeleine a Ward of Court, why has Court allowed the McCanns to make lots of lovely money on the back of their daughter - surely they shouldn't have agreed to that as she was no longer under her parents jurisdiction.
Di,
I dont see that happening especially if any Judge sees evidence that Madeline may be deceased and therefore cannot be any longer a Ward of Court. It is in the interests of the McCanns legal team to convince the court that Madeline is alive. The real reason is to get their hands on evidence collected. If the reason given is to help find Madeline then they have no chance IMO as the stuff the want it appears has nothing to do with that.
The People reports that the McCanns have received death threats and have installed a state of the art alarm system in their £600,000 house in Rothley!
This is a topic on the 3'As
Nancy
Good point, also why would the courts allow the McCanns to have information from the files so that they can search for Madeleine themselves. Surely as Madeleine has been made a Ward of Court it is upto the Courts to decide all aspects of Madeleines welfare. If I have understood correctly, Kate & Gerry have totally lost any rights regarding Madeleine.
Also, if I had made a statement to the Police, as a witness I would certainly not want Kate & Gerry to get hold of my information, name address etc.,
Nancy,
As regards making money in Madeline's name that would not concern the Court as its role is purely to protect Madline and her interests and they could still carry on as long as it did not damage the child or her best interests, and they could argue that they were doing the right thing for their daughter.
Joe
I would have thought it would be extremely difficult to convice the court that Madeleine was alive.
Hopefully the FSS results prove otherwise.
I just cannot imagine a Judge giving the McCanns a file with witness statements and other such information re a Ward of Court case. They have not been charged and it would not be proper or relevant to give such info to members of the public (them) at this time, when any investigation has not been completed and may never be completed in reality. I think they are trying it on hoping to get some info or put pressure on the LP/PJ.
The irony of this is that IF the SS were granted a Ward of Court status for Madeline against the wishes of the 2 good doctors, and they later become Amber Alert responsible parents ambassadors......it defies belief and makes one so cynical.
Joe
I did not mean my last sentence to sound so final for Madeleine, I would love for her to be found alive, but somehow I just don't think this will happen.
Hi all,
H4T,
I am well thanks.
Looks like the uninteresting story of a state of the art alarm system that was reported in newspapers an age ago is a re-hash spin attempt at 'oh look over there everybody', WoC, what do not be silly that was at our behest, we did that it was not imposed on us, Judge two lumps of sugar in your tea, have a scone...jam...cream...mmmm...yummmy..IMO.
Di - Joe
Ward of Court -
I read this on 3A's too
'A minor under 18 who is the subject of a wardship order.
The order ensures that the Court has custody with day to day care carried out by an individual or Local Authority. As long as the minor remains a Ward of Court all decisions regarding the minor's upbringing must be approved by the Court.'
So if the McCanns did want to do things in Madeleine's name after she was made a Ward of Court,I would have thought they would have to approach the Court or Local Authority!
All I know is they were busy little bees as soon after the 3rd May as they possibly could. Pamphlets with the eye stigma - setting up a Fund and a business in Madeleine's name - travelling as minor celebrities to see the Pope, the Whitehouse - you name it - all pre-planned in my opinion.
Di,
You are right of course but the WOC status exists so the Court one would presume accepts/assumes that she is alive until clarification is received one way or another, and any evidence at this time will not concern this Court.
Hi everyone
Over many months the name of Sarah Payne has cropped up in these forums.
I post some extracts from an item in the online edition of 'The Argus' the Sussex based daily newspaper.
Sarah Payne detective begs Whiting for the truth
By Lawrence Marzouk
The police officer who helped solve the murder of school girl Sarah Payne has revealed he writes to her jailed killer every year to ask for the truth about her death.
Detective Chief Inspector Martin Underhill will pen another plea to murderer Roy Whiting, who has remained silent, on the seventh anniversary of his conviction in December.
The eight-year-old was murdered in July 2000 after disappearing while playing in a cornfield near her grandparents' home in Kingston Gorse, near Littlehampton.
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Her body was found 17 days later in a field near Pulborough, 15 miles away.
Mechanic Roy Whiting, 49, who was renting a flat in Littlehampton, was convicted of her abduction and murder after a trial at Lewes Crown Court in 2001.
In a new documentary to be screen on ITV1, Mr Underhill says: "The sad thing is at the moment we don't know how exactly Sarah died or why.
"So far he has never responded to these letters....
Sarah's mother, Sara Payne, has tirelessly campaigned since her daughter's death for Sarah's Law, to give every parent the right to know if a convicted paedophile is living in their area.
The Government has agreed a trial version of the law will be introduced in four areas of England....
Real Crime: The Fight for Sarah's Law also tells of how Sara and her family dealt with the disappearance of her daughter and the feelings of guilt she still suffers for leaving her children on the beach that day...
" Real Crime: The Fight For Sarah's Law, is screened on ITV1 on Wednesday at 9pm.
Full article:
http://www.theargus.co.uk/display.var.2356917.0.sarah_payne_detective_begs_whiting_for_the_truth.php
Zodiac -
And it was paid for out of the Madeleine Fund no doubt!!
Didn't realise it was a rehash! Obviously someone wanted to bring it all up again to make us feel sorry for them!
I'm sure they must have expected to get some letters that didn't belong in the 'nice' box!!
I wonder if the WoC was issued around the same time as the changes in the Fund and certain people stepping down.
ICTOAN
Thanks for the article regarding poor little Sarah Payne. I hope the one who murdered her will rot in jail and never see daylight again.
Sarah Payne (Mother) has worked tirelessly for the law to allow parents to know if there are paedophiles in their area and without MEP's etc at her side and a never ending fund of money to help her.
I sincerely hope she gets her wish - not only so she can get on with her life (or what's left of it after losing little Sarah) but also to make children safer.
A real unsung heroine in my opinion!
Nancy,
One could be forgiven for believing it was pre planned. It has been so orchestrated that it cannot be put down to chance. I just cannot fathom what the real issue is though, apart from poor Madeline? If I did no know better its like a massive con or hoax.
Its far too slick to be just chance IMO.
Zodiac -
Could very well have been - and was it also to help people believe that Madeleine was still alive in order to encourage continuing contributions to the Madeleine Fund?
Off for dinner now - see you all later!
JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!
I have always kept an open mind regarding a scam. It does seem quite plausible but then I dismiss it when I think of the Cadavar evidence.
Bye for now Nancy
Off myself now
See you later.
Nancy, I think the death threats, if true, are didiculous and a sign of insanity. Especially because the Mccanns are not that important. As for the security system, I just hope it was a gift...
Going to work on a translation.
See you all later, guys!
I am off also. Read you all later. Have a lovely afternoon everyone.
Hello everyone. Thought I'd add another interesting snippet from flossy07 on the 3As today. If Madeleine was made Ward of Court on the 10th, Auntie Phil was stewing about it on the 11th:
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from Daily Mail 11 Sept 07:
As the Portuguese police force would not hand over information that may be used in a criminal prosecution, the British social workers may therefore decide to carry out an initial interview with the McCanns before taking further action.
Nevertheless, Mr McCann's sister Philomena revealed that the family are preparing for the worst.
She said: "Madeleine's godmother is down at Rothley right now and she is prepared to step into the breach if Gerry and Kate are asked to return to Portugal.
"The family are more than willing to look after the children and they will not become wards of the state here or anywhere else."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480931/Madeleine-Now-British-police-ask-twins-risk.html
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How Gerry must love his big sister and her even bigger mouth!
Well my prediction for the game is
SPAIN 2 ITALY 2 extra time and Spain win 5-4 on penalties.
Right off to watch it.
Hi Libra ,
One last thing ...
The mere mention of the word Philomena is enough to make me laugh out loud so much. This person represents a certain stereotype for me and plays it like a comedy character. She bears many similarities as Rosipops.
Imagine linking her up to a lie detector. I believe a strong reading would be viewed (IMO)
She dresses up opinions as facts like a 1980's tabloid editor.
Hi All
BT
Well, I am a glutton for punishment.
Italy to win ....Score ??
You know how wrong I was last time though :o(((
So I like to keep my options open :o))
Enjoy the match.
Good evening, good people!
It has been a lovely sunny day here today but with very strong winds (which wasn't issuing from my father for once!) Doesn't seem right to have such lovely blue skies and so much wind!
Zodiac, thanks for the links. The year on interview was the most blatant ear/nose scratching yet. What is interesting is the timing of it. It is always Gerry when he is asked anything about what happened on 3rd May. He also turns to Kate, three times in quick succession (as if he is watching a ping-pong match) in a way that I can only describe as desperate for her back-up and for her to "get it right" with what she's saying.Fear, I think, is the owrd for it. All very revealing, hmmmm....I wonder what the body language experts had to say about that one?
The Sarah Payne tragedy is another good example as to how very upsetting it is for the police who deal with the case as well as for parents who have genuinely lost their child from an abduction which ended in death. Sara Payne is an incredible woman and my heart and admiration goes out to her.
One final thought, and I know i've said it before, if the McCanns weren't involved in Madeleine's disappearance, why didn't they try in desperation to find out from the police about the cadaver scent and blood? I would be going nuts, personally, and begging them to tell me it's not true or asking for help so that I know whether or not there is any possibility from the findings that my daughter may still be alive. There must be a reason why they are avoiding interest in Eddy and Keela's findings, IMO. Seems to me they have done their best to bury all word of it....and ignore it. When asked about whether they had hope still, Kate is still saying there is a better chance of her being alive now, than after the first few days.
xx
Dylan -
That's a very good point!
Truly grieving parents would have given their backing to everything that would have helped find out what happened to their daughter - absolutely everying.
All you see and hear about the McCanns' actions from the very day Madeleine disappeared shows them up as doing everything they can to do the complete opposite that any parents out of their mind with worry would do, such as co-operating fully with the PJ's for instance.
They refused to go back for the reconstruction, they ignored the cadaver dogs' evidence, and they have ignored public opinion about their choice of M3 who have come up with absolutely nothing, yet they continue to employ them, even after they promised Madeleine would be back by Christmas 2007!
If anyone believes a word this couple say, then they want their heads testing in my opinion!
I don't believe the McCanns were behind Madeleine being made a Ward of Court either, because if they had we would have heard about it long ago from CM! It's much more likely that Social Services decided that was the best course to take.
Judging the small amount of time the McCanns actually spend with their twins, it's a wonder they haven't been made Wards of Court too - the only time I've seen them with the twins is their well paid for spread in Hello! Another chance to use their children to make money of course!
Hi Libra, Bath Theory et al.
I'm watching the game - so be back later!
Nx
'Meanwhile Kate and Gerry are having panic buttons installed at home as police step down the round-the-clock vigil outside their house.
The couple have had a constant police guard since arriving back from Portugal seven weeks ago.'
The above is copied from an article in The Mirror on 28/10/07. Old news used for spin, IMO. The link below is to the full article.
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2007/10/28/i-saw-him-take-madeleine-98487-20020245/
Hi Dyl
You are right re:- Cadaver scent.
Personally, I think it is this evidence, when presented to them by the PJs, that brought them totally to their knees. I believe they thought they had removed all evidence, cleaning etc., so this must have been a total wake up call, IMO
Hiya Di,
you said:
If anyone believes a word this couple say, then they want their heads testing in my opinion!
......or banging together!!
I think that all the McCanns crave for these days is celebrity status. The Hello! spread, although I haven't read it,is just such so cheap. Mcs will now be wanting their own star on the pavements of Hollywood.
As for Metodo 3, what were they thinking of??? Were fraud specialists all they could afford? Surely not! And yes, why not answer all of the police questions and why not attend the reconstruction? If they believe there is any chance Madeleine may still be alive, saying [the reconstruction] was pointless is just ridiculous! If that was pointless then, IMO, the 'sightings' are pointless too so why do they want the information?
How has your weekend been? I hope you have had an enjoyable one. xx
Oops! Nancy - I meant to address that to you! Sorry.
Hello Di! Thanks. So have both of you had a good weekend? Not that's it's over quite yet!
xx
Di,
It was very generous of them to turn the cleaners away and do such a sterling job of it all by themselves, don't you think? ;-)
xx
Dyl
I am thinking of employing them, how does £6 an hour sound!!
Di, lol! I am sure that will be fine if you pop it in a brown envelope for them!!
xx
Zodiac
I remember the above article when first released.
Should we say spin and more spin!!
Do you think they were trying to bury the Ward of Court article? Maybe they were not expecting this to get out.
Who knows!!
Dyl (Hello All)
What an excelent point you just made (well a while ago) If I had been told that the scent of death had been detected in an apartment where my child had been taken I would be hysterical asking what it ment was she dead had anyone else ever died there etc etc etc...
I dont know how long a body has to be in situ before the scent is there and even as Dr's would they know?
Libra
Thanks for the post about Auntie Phill she is very quiet these days :o)...
xxx
Hi Hope
Auntie Phil....Gagged... IMO
Probably just as well :o))))
Hello DI
I think you are right..
Such a sad sad story...
I keep loosing my posts will have to reboot the PC it has been on for a couple of days xxx
Di,
With them I think it is always an 'oo look over there' spin game.
The more that comes out into the Public Domain the more unpleasant they seem. 'Fear for yourself' speaks volumes. What true caring parent/s would put themselves before their missing child. The most egocentric comments thus far that are abosolutely appalling,imo, are the recent Strasbourg gaffs: You are avoiding the issue and this is boring when asked about the neglect. I do not believe that they made their daughter a WoC.
Hello Hope,
Good to not have just missed you for once :-)))
I think a body has to have been in situ for 2 hrs for the cadaver scent to be detected. Or at least this is what I have read on here before. This is what confuses things somewhat, as it puts the time to much earlier in the evening and means whatever happened, didn't happen whilst they were dining at the tapas.
Poor old Auntie Phil. And she tried so hard too ;-)
How're you and your girls?
xx
Dyl/Hope,
I agree if my child went missing from a holiday apt or wherever I would frantic, fraught with worry. If I were later told there was a scent of death and the possibilty that there was proof my child had died, I really would find it difficult. I would not be on TV and quoted in papers saying there is no evidence to suggest that my child has come to any harm. FFS, how would I know?
Mum21 said...
Claudia..you said
"Ouch, this must have hurt the pros like sliding through a blade and then landing in a pool of alcohol!
Jesus. I would advise suicide watch for some of them."
Claudia, your parents must be very worried about you. I know I would be if a child of mine had such thoughts about other people.
Only a very disturbed, sadistic mind could come up with a description of hurt using words like you did. Are you related to Hitler by any chance?
22 June 2008 21:28
Blogger JANEGT said...
the only 'suicide watch' the pros will ever be on...
is watching the vilest of posters do it for themselves.......
DON'T LET US HOLD YOU BACK. ALL OF YOU.
COZ YOU'RE WORTH IT......!!!!!
22 June 2008 15:56
Say hello from me to your violent psycho friend Janet, Mum21. From Rosie's best friend in the middle of the Atlantic Sea. Sleep tight hey!
PS: Try a shave sometime. It doesn't hurt that much. Honest. Even Eva BRAUN did it.
Hi Hope & Zodiac
Zodiac..What true caring parents would put themselves before their missing child.
IMO.Scared of losing their Liberty!
Have to go for a bit. I hadn't realised how late it had got - and there is the time right at the bottom of each and every post too - silly me!
Will try to pop back later.
xx
Bye Dyl
Off myself after the footy
See you tomorrow.
Hello everyone
Had problems logging in this weekend. Reading through all the posts now. I would like to know more about the alleged Ward of Court theory.
Hello, guys.
It was a wonderful summer day here. Great to be outside. I just learned that the sister in law of a very dear friend has been diagnosed with breast cancer and feel very sad for her although I believe she will win this battle.
HiSoutherncross
It is not a theory..Madelaine HAS been made a Ward or Court..
Mum21 said...
I notice docmac has arrived...with his copy and paste comments from here. That's the only input he gives these day.
Auntie Viv won't like that...she already warned him about it last night!
22 June 2008 22:10
lol Mum!! Copy and paste? I was quoting your own copy and paste you fool. I'm off to go and roll in some hay now. Remember that stuff?
Hello SC
Not staying. Did you see my reply to you last night? Mooi bly.
MumFromHell, if I were a child of yours (God forbid. Can you imagine having a xenophobic, racist, ugly child neglecter supporter as a mum?) I would have probably gone missing at three while you ate and drank.
Doc, no, she clearly doesn't remember.
Dorme bem! :-)
Claudia
So sorry to hear about your friend. It is a terrible disease but saying that there are so many good drugs out there now.
I hope all goes well for your friend.
Thank you Di, Ill be reading now to catch up.
Hallo my vriend Doc. no did not see the reply
Thank you, Di. She is a fighter. She was by her husband's side when he suffered a terrible car accident and almost died. The recovery took many, many months, but both survived. She will fight and win once again.
Oops ,made terrible spelling mistake which would be critized by the stalkers.
Claudia,my mom survived for 23 years after having been diagnosed with breast cancer.Mastectomy, chemo,radiotherapy - the whole package.
She lived her life with an enormous positive outlook, had great emotional and spiritual strength and strong support systems. I'll pray for your friend
Hi Dylan -
I have had a great weekend - very hot here in the Costa Blanca, so keeping cool is the main thing.
Not easy when watching Spain play Italy tonight - but glad Spain pulled it off obviously!
Off to bed now - see you all tomorrow!
Justice for Madeleine first and foremost!
Nx
Off now
See you all tomorrow
Goodnight all.
My son has to use the pc .I'll catch up tomorrow
Dyl
Have re booted pc (and booted it with my foot) and am back LOL
Looks like I missed you again!!!!
Thank you so much, Southerncross. My friend's sister in law is a fighter too.
Nancy, I was supporting Spain and was very happy they won. Not easy, though. Those penalty kicks were stressful! :-)
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