15 Nov 2008

SKY MASSIVE LIBEL PAYOUT FOR COMPARING ROBERT MURAT TO IAN HUNTLEY

Hi All, Since my return from Egypt I note there is some news that has pleased me immensely. In addition to the £600,000 libel damages from a selection of other papers, Robert has now received an undisclosed amount from Sky who were singled out and dealt with separately for what was undoubtedly just about the worst example of libel that there could be, a direct comparison to evil child murderer Ian Huntley, all in support of the sickening claim by Kate and Gerry McCann that Madeleine was supposedly abducted and here was the poor man they were seeking to blame for this, not allowing his girlfriend Michaela to escape this evil behaviour either. WE even had a piece in the articles from the Daily Express, now of course, all removed, where Kate McCann herself was claiming he had a case to answer, her low level of human behaviour or downright audacity seemingly knows no bounds. This news outlet if one could call it that the McCanns signed an exclusive deal with and none of us will forget the outrageous claims from the McCanns and their family that were peddled in cognisance of exclusive access to the gruesome twosome and their hitherto useless Pink Spinster.

For libel on this scale one could almost guarantee that Robert Murat has received at least half a million pounds from Sky taking the total amount he has now received to over one million pounds. If ever a person deserved such a massive payout it is this man and his family. No one can imagine what being the McCann's Patsy for such a long time must have truly been like, villified by their "supporters" such as "Rosiepops" as a sickening paedophile and far worse still. I also believe it is a measure of justice that the gruesome twosome, in spite of everything that was written about them received just £275,000 each, a small fraction of what Robert received. There is a simple reason for this, he is a totally innocent man who they are their friends fiercely tried to blame for Madeleine's disappearance. In stark contrast, even on their own account, although they cannot even accept it, they are responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine, who the Portuguese authorities have confirmed in no uncertain terms died in their apartment. They left their children every single night they were there, all night, every night. But somehow Gerry and Kate McCann do not accept any responsibility, no claims Gerry it was just like being in their back garden, even though those children cried pitifully for parents who did not give a damn, it was a garden where these two sad excuses for parents were oblivious to their cries and when seeking to explain Kate smirks with abandoned disdain as she describes Madeleine's complaints that they were just left to cry. So, if anyone is wondering why they only managed to con £275,000 each from just one newspaper group who ondoubtedly went over the top, whereas Robert got over a million from several media outlets, now you know the reason why, they were culpable they were to blame and they have told a lot of lies. All Robert ever did was act like a decent citizen, but their pals who flew back to have another go at Robert in July 2007 had the gall to also stand on the steps of the High Court complaining they were libelled! Gerry in yet another of his by now classical slips states they always intended to give the money to the Fund. Yes Gerry we know, you and your pals cynically ripped off the covers of Madeleine's books and plotted and schemed that very night how you would get libelled and make a mint. But you have not kidded anyone, we will continue to make sure of that.


LOVE AND BEST WISHES TO ROBERT MURAT AND HIS FAMILY AND A HOPE YOU CAN BEGIN TO FORGET THE TERRIBLE HURT AND DISRUPTION TO YOUR LIFE

LOVE TO ALL INNOCENT ABUSED CHILDREN AND MAY THEY IN THE END GET THE JUSTICE THEY TRULY DESERVE

MADELEINE YOUR PARENTS MAY HAVE FELT ABLE TO LAUGH JUST A FEW DAYS AFTER YOU HAD GONE BUT WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU

Viv x



Madeleine McCann: Robert Murat accepts libel damages from BSkyB
Robert Murat has accepted substantial undisclosed libel damages from BSkyB over an allegation that there were strong grounds for believing that he was guilty of abducting Madeleine McCann.

By Daily Telegraph reporter Last Updated: 2:22PM GMT 14 Nov 2008

Mr Murat was made a formal suspect two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance Photo: REUTERS
Mr Murat, 34, was not at London's High Court for the settlement of his action against British Sky Broadcasting Ltd.
He had previously received a record settlement of £600,000 over "seriously defamatory" allegations in nearly 100 articles connecting him with the abduction.
He had sued Associated Newspapers, Express Newspapers, MGN Limited and News Group Newspapers.
His solicitor Louis Charalambous told Mr Justice Eady that an article and video on the Sky News website claimed that in the early days after Madeleine's disappearance from Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, Mr Murat's behaviour was reminiscent of child murderer Ian Huntley.
The article, which was published until April this year, and the video, which was accessible until this September, also suggested that Mr Murat had deliberately tried to mislead journalists by pretending to be acting in an official capacity for the police.
Victoria Shore, counsel for BSkyB, which is also paying Mr Murat's costs, made an unreserved apology for publishing the false allegations, and the distress caused.
Mr Charalambous told the judge that the allegations were entirely untrue and it was accepted that Mr Murat had no involvement whatever in the abduction of Madeleine.
"The defendant accepts that Mr Murat did not act like a child murderer nor did he try to mislead or lie to any journalists.
"It acknowledges that Mr Murat's actions after the abduction were entirely proper and were motivated by a desire to help find Madeleine McCann."
He said that Sky's apology would appear on its website for 12 months.
Ms Shore said that it very much regretted the distress caused by the publications.
Outside court, Mr Charalambous said that the settlement represented the final stage of Mr Murat's claims against those sections of the British media "which defamed him so terribly".
"He has been entirely successful and vindicated.
"He could never have brought any of these claims without the use of conditional fee agreements which gave him access to justice.
"It was particularly important to him to nail this particular lie - that he acted in some way reminiscent to the Soham murderer Ian Huntley when, in fact, he was working flat out to help try to find Madeleine."

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Lindy123 said...

Hello Viv, hope you had a wonderful holiday.

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=25632

Goncalo Amaral's book may be published in the UK - the pink sphincter threatens that TM are on the case. GM certainly isn't intimidated by the McCanns and I hope he is able to press on. For Madeleine.

The only people who don't appear to want the truth to come out are the "parents" and their cohorts, strange that.

nancy said...

Welcome back Viv -

I'm so glad you had a wonderful holiday with Luke and by the look of your latest thread, your batteries are well and truly recharged!

What a pity that Haringey Social Services doesn't have you at it's head - the turn around in child care would be a joy to behold!

It's all about taking responsibility for your own actions, as Rat said.

LET'S HOPE BABY P HAS NOT DIED IN VAIN!


Nx

nancy said...

Hi Lindy : and good morning to everyone.

Just to carry on from your comment about GA's book above.

This latest extract is from the McCann Files:

The book 'Maddie - the truth about the lie' has already sold 180,000 copies in Europe, and Mr Amaral's representatives are trying to find a British publisher.

The McCann's said that they would scrutinise any British publication with a view to possible action.

Asked whether he thought that Madeleine was dead he said:

It is not just my opinion. A whole team of Portuguese and British investigators came to that conclusion last year and it is part of the files. I have never said that the couple killed their daughter and this is not my belief. Death may happen for natural reasons, accident or intervention by a third party."

Mr Amaral added that he is now considering legal action against a number of British media outlets. The excessive publicity the case attracted was a "double-edged sword - on the one hand it makes the disappearance known, but on the other hand it puts the life of the missing person in jeopardy."

He insisted - "I demanded from my superiors they stand up for the investigators faced with attacks by the media, but that never happened and this was the response that led me to hand in my resignation so I could regain my freedom of speech and write the book".

Let's hope some publisher is brave enough to come forward and publish his book and then we'll wait for more bedraggled appearances outside the High Courts of Justice.

I doubt very much they'll sue, because the book's already sold 180,000 copies in Europe, so if they wanted to they could have sued before now.

CM, as usual, had to put in his twopence worth I see.

nancy said...

Viv -

Regarding Murat's two libel awards, which I agree he so richly deserves - I wonder why the McCanns and their tapas pals haven't commented on it. They must be absolutely furious about his payouts, and even CM hasn't mentioned it at all!

Strange that!

ratonthebeam said...

They are probably even more miffed that Sky had put an apology to Robert Murat on their web site and leave it there for an entire year. The case just isn't going to fade away now, is it? Not when people can be reminded of it for a year. I bet that's worth more to Robert than any amount of money.

Welcome back Viv! We were really really good when you were away, honest! (Apart from doc getting into the booze cupboard and playing with that big girl up the road, the one that shouts a lot and talks funny.)

docmac said...

Talking about the big girl up the road, something for the 'great' Rosie to think about...

Hey Docquack
by Rosiepops Yesterday at 12:31 am

See the paragraphs in red? As you were one of the people peddling lies about this, do you not think it is time you publicly apologised and admitted you were totally and utterly wrong?

You said you had inside information that one of the Tapas 7 HAD changed their story, what a liar you are.

When you look in the mirror for a shave does your nose keep hitting it? Pinnochio


The lawyer told the newspaper: "My client feels obliged to keep silent about what he can do to help the investigation, and not because of the Portuguese secrecy laws.
"This is very revealing about the strange circumstances surrounding this case.
"It's not that he is scared of the McCanns, but the economic and political lobby surrounding the couple is truly frightening to anybody.
"What my client wants is to reveal the whole truth, but he does not mean to accuse or blame anyone, as that is the job of the police.
"The only thing he wants is to help the police discover the truth about what happened before, during and after that dinner on May 3."

12 November 2007


Can you guess what happened next?

docmac said...

Oh, I forgot to add that the 'client' is one of the T9.

nancy said...

Docmac -

Wow! That really is a mind boggling statement. I wish we could be told who actually said those words to the lawyer, but I have my suspicions!

Rosie really doesn't like you does she? Oh well, you can't win em all as they say!!

We like you!!

docmac said...

Aw, fanks Nancy :-)

Rosie doesn't like anyone with more than half a brain, but he took a particularly dim view of me from the moment the Springboks beat England in the RWC final :-)))

hope4truth said...

Morning ALL

Welcome back Viv sounds like you had a lovely time...

Doc is the sewer open for all to read again or have they given up trying to stop you getting in LOL...

A year of an apology for RM well they are not going to like that at all are they... Thats the problem when you despratley want to pass the buck you try and invent things to tie the person you want to take the blame and when it is proved they had nothing to do with it people ask why you would do that?

Did not see anyone jumping up and down pointing the finger at Ian Huntley and making up wild accusations. They did not need to the man was guilty and when he was arrested it was a shock as it had been kept quiet until they knew for sure..

Murat was not seen by anyone he knew that night I still think DP was somewhere he should not have been and RM looks so similar (with more hair)...

A whole year of an apology to show the Tapas for the lying neglecting scum they are I wonder when one of them will crack or one of the agencys they have paid will spill what they do know (maybe they did some investigation after all and learned the truth)...?

What a way to live your life waiting for the house of cards to fall...

docmac said...

Hi Hope

Sorry, getting ready to go out. I've always been able to read the sewer. Just don't do it much any more :-))

"What a way to live your life waiting for the house of cards to fall..."

Exactly. Serves them right too.

docmac said...

A controversial best-selling account of the hunt for Madeleine McCann by the Portuguese detective who led the investigation is expected to be published in the UK soon, according to its author...

The book's publisher, Mario Sena Lopes, said there was now an English version of Mr Amaral's book and he was negotiating a UK deal. He said several publishers were interested and he was confident the British public would soon be able to read the book...

Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the McCanns, said last night: "Lawyers for Kate and Gerry have been aware of what Mr Amaral has been alleging for some time. What he has said and written before now is grossly defamatory of them.

"If he chooses to publish them in Britain those words will be studied intensely carefully and they will not hesitate to act if they are defamatory."

Go for it, Clarrie!!! Can't wait. BTW, 'studied intensely carefully', are you Rosiepops?

docmac said...

"Lawyers for Kate and Gerry"

"grossly defamatory of them"

"If he chooses to publish them"

It is Rosiepops! Good afternoon all.

Cláudia said...

'studied intensely carefully'

LOL Oh poor pink prankster, what a disgusting job you have.

Have a great afternoon, Doc.

nancy said...

Silly pinky.

Either it will be studied intensely or carefully - he doesn't know his a..e from his elbow!

Why is he interfering again anyway - I thought he had gone to pastures new!

There is obviously a 'sighting' coming on!

Di said...

Hi All

Welcome back Viv. It sounds like you and Luke had a fantastic holiday. Sorry you are not able to move back into your house, but I am sure when you do it will have been worth the wait.

Come on Clarence you have obviously read the book and know every word printed is not defamatory, hence the reason you are desperately trying to discredit GA.

Are you going to sue? I think not.

bath theory said...

Viv welcome back to blighty, here was a piece I wrote on Nov 14th on a previous link. Worth repeating in that the initial report used some balanced wording that later got changed.


...The main radio news on the BBC was interesting this afternoon. It mentioned Murat accepting damages from Sky and some newspapers.

INITIAL WORDING I HEARD was something along these lines

...Apart from the parents the other main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case , Robert Murat today accepted ...

A few hours later guess what the bit about the parents was taken out completely. This is exactly what we have been talking about from the off. Manipulation and control at an editorial or directorial level and it is designed to distance the couple.

This is proof to me that a covering of their true role is taking place as initial story lines keep getting changed and they are changed from a balanced factually correct statement often to present one viewpoint only. This is even further down the line than dressing up opinions as facts as it intentionally distorts a balanced or independent report.

MANIPULATION FOR A VERY SPECIFIC REASON.

Anyway, They are amazingly quiet this week with all the news and facts appearing about how many children get killed by their parents (roughly one a week)and the publics outrage and dislike of child killers and or neglectors.

Di said...

Nancy

Maybe they have realised Kate & Gerry make themselves look more guilty with every word they utter, or perhaps Clarence missed the limelight.

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Thanks ROTB for the last thread and Isis for the timeline of the poor little mites life and death. I noticed that the maternal grandmother was also accused of abusibg baby P. Well I also remember the, imo, stupid person who sat with her daughter and son-in-law drinking and eating Tapas whilst her her grandchildren were left in a holiday flat with only a baby listener machine for childcare. Just shows neglect, abuse, selfishness and ignorance etc does run in families. As for the statement that makes the person who made it seem err, err, err completely stupid well her grandparenting skills are err, err, err just as bad, imo.

Thanks to RM this case will be in the news for at least another year. Just another annoying thorn in the McC side! How long will it be before the Mc's start demanding their apolgies that they write about themselves (such as the DE one) be in the public domain for a year or more.


Welcome back Viv. Hope you have some pics that you can put on here of your holiday.

Zodiac said...

Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the McCanns, said last night: "Lawyers for Kate and Gerry have been aware of what Mr Amaral has been alleging for some time. What he has said and written before now is grossly defamatory of them.

"If he chooses to publish them in Britain those words will be studied intensely carefully and they will not hesitate to act if they are defamatory."


IF THEY ARE DEFAMATORY!

Err CM you say "What he has said and written before now is grossly defamatory of them" then you say
"If he chooses to publish them in Britain those words will be studied intensely carefully and they will not hesitate to act if they are defamatory." Now this, imo, just makes you seem like an uneducated buffoon who does not know what he is talking about! Anyway did you not know according to what I have read on the net GA has said he is not worried about going to court.

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

I read the last two paragraphs last night and thought the same I think CM is doing a crap job and should move to Sue Mr Amaral ASAP. I am sure he will relish the chance to answer questions in a court of law oh and of course ask Kate Gerry and the Tapas 7 questions as well...

All those reporters hanging on every word and all those inconcistancies fantastic news Clarrie get your lawyers on to them now...

Oh and if Doc is right about you being RP all those vile posts RP has posted how would you ever face people again when they hit the papers???

Zodiac said...

'Oh and if Doc is right about you being RP all those vile posts RP has posted how would you ever face people again when they hit the papers???'

Hope LOL! Exactly especially as he goes on about the cesspit blogs. Funny how any sewer waste that I have come acoss is only in the so called PRO blogs. The one that contains the most sewage is the backed up toilet of a blog that the P/pops poops from.

dylan said...

Evening folks!

Just popped in to say to ICTOAN that I hope you are OK. It is always a sad thing to go back to old memories even if you have newer and nicer ones. Your new lady sounds as though she will be very good for you and I hope that she is :-)

I'll have a proper read back later, but what great news??!! I know which book I'll put on my Christmas list!

BBL xx

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

Exactly there have been some wild theories printed about what happend to Madeleine (not so wild here I dont think) but they keep trying to play the how could you be so cruel to poor Kate and Gerry card and we are all supposed to feel ashamed and give a fiver to the fund and disapear.

Now I know that Gerry's blogs are all about we did this we did that we feel sad we feel happy it is tough for us but I am afraid any parent who buggers off to the pub and can look so joyus on what would have been thier daughters 4th birthday and on many other occasions is not someone that concerns me.

I am very concerned about a 3 year old little girl who vanished if she is in the hands of a peadophile ring that is one of the most horific places a child could be yet Daddy say's he has no reason to believe she has been harmed?

Baby P died because no one did the right thing by him and people are quite rightly outraged.

Well Madeleine McCann is probebly dead and people gave money to try and help find her. Where has all that money gone to what has it been spent on?

One of the strangest things when M3 were getting close and making wild claims that she would be home for Christmas was where were all the other children that had been found by them along the way? They told us over and over they knew where she was she was in the hands of a peadophile ring yet not one single child was rescued while they searched?

The pro blogs talked dirty bullied used inapropriate Avatars for a site dedicated to a missing child yet we are the sick ones?

I dont support parents who neglect their children and I most certainly do not support child abusers peadophiles or child killers if that makes me a nasty bitch so be it but I can sleep soundly at night.

They did not make a mistake they made a choice to neglect their children night after night. If Madeleine was taken then it is their fault they did not deserve for her to be taken but more importantly Madeleine did not deserve what she is going through.

If only they had acted like Parents and begged people not to be a selfish as they had been instead of trying to cover their backs maybe more people would have believed them...

Children first each and every time if every parent put their child first and spent time teaching them right from wrong respect and showered them with love there would be no need for social services. But as parents can have a child easier than they can rescue a dog social services will still be needed and they nedd to make sure they are doing a good job and alos put the child first.

Di said...

Joana Morais

2008-11-16
Freeport Case with Polemical Wiretaps



English inform PJ and Public Ministry






Some of the relevant information in the Freeport investigation was obtained in England through administrative wiretaps, that is, allegedly made without the authorizations of a judge or of the British Secret Service.

This will be one of the issues addressed in tomorrow's meeting in Haia, the headquarters for Eurojust (EU Judiciary Cooperation), between the British and Portuguese police delegations and between British and Portuguese magistrates.

In Portugal, administrative wiretaps are not authorized. From Portugal, the attendees will be Cândida Almeida, from the Public Ministry, and Pedro Carmo and Moreira da Silva, both from PJ. The meeting was promoted by Eurojust after the English found money from the business in offshore companies based in that country.

The objective now is to formally exchange the available information, in order to understand if there was, or not, a payoff - estimated at €4 million - for the construction license for Freeport, in Alcochete, approved by the prior Council of Ministers for António Guterres when José Sócrates (current PM) was the secretary of state of the Environment.

by Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo

Source: Correio da Manhã


Related

Paulo Rebelo & the Freeport Connection
He was also in charge of a recent investigation about a leak of information from the “Freeport case”, when documents from a corruption investigation were sent to the Press and published the day before the last Parliament elections in Portugal. Those documents allegedly showed a connection between the case and the leader of Socialist Party, José Sócrates, now Prime-Minister. A PJ inspector was accused and later sentenced to eight months in prison (suspended sentence) for making copies of confidential documents and giving it to journalists.


Freeport records and Maddie on the agenda of Portuguese and British authorities
According to a source close to the Foreign Office and to the Cabinet of Prime Minister Gordon Brown, the British authorities have recently discussed the follow-up of the "affairs" Madeleine McCann and Freeport of Alcochete during the course of the same meeting. The information has been confirmed by a source of the Judiciary Police in Portugal , who has also put forward the accusation of "an exchange of good intentions [doing favours for each other]" was considered during this contact between the two countries.

Duarte Levy & Paulo Sargento on the Cipriano /McCann Cases
Excerpt from the interview


DL: Not just the Madeleine Case but also other cases which do not have a direct connection, but which have served to, um, protect certain interests… I’m referring specifically to the Freeport Case…

J: What does the Freeport Case have to do with this? You blindsided me with this one!

DL: One of the things we published a short while ago, is that there was a meeting between those responsible for the British and Portuguese authorities involved in the Freeport Case. For now, we haven’t gotten very far in this – but for now, we will talk about – excuse the expression – a circumstance in which two individuals go to a brothel and unexpectedly meet. One says to the other, “You don’t say anything to my wife, and I won’t say anything to yours.”

The same thing is happening in the Freeport Case. The British authorities wanted to come to Portugal; they wanted to work with the Portuguese authorities, in order to investigate money transfers …

J: So the Freeport Case is also connected to England…

DL: Right. And the British authorities asked for authorization from the Attorney General to come to Portugal, to create a joint team and investigate money transfers from the UK to some “personalities” in Portugal. Which was refused…


J: [Transfers] to whom?

Exactly.. personalaties in Portugal BK perhaps, someone else mentioned a while ago Cliff!!!

The plot thickens.

Di said...

I have to say, I have always found it extremely odd that BK has offered to support Gate & Gerry for life, it is just not something anyone would normally do, unless of course they were family or close friends.

Very odd!!

Off now enjoy your evening ..

Di said...

Gate & Gerry Oops, I suppose it could have been worse, LOL

I'll go whilst I've got the chance.

See you all tomorrow.

viv said...

Hiya guys

thanks to you all for a great welcdome back and I am flattered by some of the comments. I really would love to sort SSD child prote4ction procedures and staff training out!

I have just read all your posts with great interest and clearly there is a lot going on at the moment. It is fascinating that there seems to be a suggestion of UK wishing to work with the PJ re money transfers. Very clearly, there must have been an awful lot of transfers of that fund money. It has been admitted that not only was up to one million frittered on M3 but perhaps even worse, CM acctually admitted that witnesses had been paid, this clearly suggests an attempt to pervert the course of justice by paying people to perpetuate the bizarre sightings of a child who is undoubntedly dead. I have often said there are many agencies involved in investigating the affairs of Kate and Gerry McCann and this would certainly seem to back this up. Remember Lady Justice Hogg's comment back in I think it was April - she changed her previous order stating that all information had to be disclosed to the McCanns to one specifically stating that no British Agency (note she was using this in a holistic way) had to disclose any further information to the McCanns other than those 80pieces of information concerning supposed sightings which their own solicitors had supplied to the UK Police.

Also what fantastic news about Goncalo's book being published here. It is an added bonus that now we read several publishers are interested in the rights to this. I believe CM got out because he thrives on power and control and realised he was losing the publoicity war favouring the McCanns. It is clear he no longer has a starngehold on free journalism given the publishers in UK who now wish to print the book.

Doc, as ever, you make a serious point but do it is such an amusing way and I have to commend you again for imparting useful information in such a compelling way. You are quite right to flag up the clear possibility that Psychopops is CM. The terrible abortion that he believes is grammar can be seen in what he publically states both as himself and as Rosiepops, conclusive proof that this evil twit is indeed him would be the last nail in his coffin. Why keep making these ridiculous threats ? It does not matter what language the book is in for God's sake it says just the same. if the gruesome twosome were going to sue they have had ample opportunity, the publishing of an indentical book in the UK cannot change their legal position. That position is clear, what Goncalo states is fair and honest and therefore cannot be construed as libel. What is more if there is one thing that really terrifies Kate and Gerry McCann it is actually having to explain themselves in a court of law. There is about as much chance of that as me becoming a rich as dear Eobert Murat. He had used the settlement deal well I agree, and revenge must be sweet, the Murdoch empire who saw to destroy him for having exclusive rights tot he gruesome twosome must now keep saying just how sorry they are for the next 12 months. Yes, revenge can be sweet, my congratulations to Murat and his lawyer for taking a stand in pointing out to the public just what the truth really is..


xx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv! :-)
Great to see you back and on form.
xxxx
BBL.

viv said...

HIYA DARLING

It is good to be back and reading you again, I have just left a couple of comments on your blog, what a plonker that Clarrie is, and how dare he call me Vile!


xxx

Zodiac said...

Docmac,

'Go for it, Clarrie!!! Can't wait. BTW, 'studied intensely carefully', are you Rosiepops?'


Pinkypops will be pooping mad with you!

viv said...

Hello Zodiac

As ever, you too have me ROFLing

Pinkypops will be pooping mad with you!


I think Pinkypoops should become the new name for this prat and his alter ego!

viv said...

Over 7000 posts on the DE, I bet he says to himself are they grateful for all my hard work? No they just give me the push..All that clever stuff I wrote just gone into cyber space good job I got Maudlin7 to keep copies so I can read just how good I really was


Ungrateful batard!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv.
Just read them and replied. :-) Thanks for reading. :-)
BBL. Hope you'll still be around.

Zodiac, ROTFLMAO!

hope4truth said...

Hello Viv

Great Post...

I forgot Maureen the worlds most unlucky poster had kept every blog in her collection... Claudia diddnt you also keep a lot of them with Alsabella???

Can you imagine when this get's to a court room if it is proved that CM or any of the Tapas 9 were trying to pervert the course of justice by using intimidation tactics to stop anyone asking questions?

I am not going anywhere now but had they not been so bloody nasty last year and more recently I would have stopped questioning them but thank god they hired the wrong team to advise them of tactics...

Poor Little Madeleine has been lost in all of this but I am hopeful she will get justice one day which will show the world that negelect is wrong no matter who you are...

xxx

docmac said...

Re: Messages For Docmac

Post by ModNrodder Today at 9:10 am
Dear Docinamac,

I quote from Viv's current write up on her blog.

the disappearance of Madeleine, who the Portuguese authorities have confirmed in no uncertain terms died in their apartment. They left their children every single night they were there, all night, every night.



Some profound mistakes which need to be corrected. Portuguese authorities have confirmed no such thing. Especially in the light of the 15 out of 19 markers that Amaral based his theory on are now found to be in fact 15 out of 37. No death confirmed, no confirmation of what fluids the DNA came from and no confirmation of any crime being committed.

They did not leave their children all night. They did not leave them alone for more than 30 minutes as part of a recognised and established level of care that has been in use for decades by businesses, holiday camps, hotels and infinite ammounts of people.

They may be just mistakes. Or they are lies.


Yes? Your point is?

And tell your fluffy white towel paedophile pseudo-Christain brother I'm not interested in his posts. I'm flabbergasted that he was accepted as a poster on the purple site.

docmac said...

PS: The ChriSTAIN was deliberate Pinkypoops. :-(

docmac said...

Ambien and Valium all.

viv said...

Hiya Hope and good to hear from you again.

I can imagine what this case will be like if and when it does reach court. Due to their unprecedented corruption whilst oddly enough seeking to keep their image clean, this case will be a truly massive trial lasting several weeks or even months, whilst all of their conduct is put under a microscope. The question would have to be asked, if this the conduct of an innocent couple? No prizes for guessing what a jury would make of that!

I have to agree with you that the more they have reared their ugly heads the more determined we have bcome to quell their lies! Shutting up would have been the very best thing they could have done and of course is precisely what an innccent couple would have done. They have become quite obsessed with seeking to surround themselves with people who can clean up their image but it is an impossible task for a very dirty pair with blood on their hands and their hands in the till.

Kate states they would just keep on spending no matter what it takes, she commented you cannot put a price on a child's head, but did it even occur to her, it was not even her money that was being spent? When did they ever put their hands into their own pockets? Everything they have done has been with a view to seeing where else and from who else they can extract yet more cash all in the name of their daughter, they will always disgust me! Killing and disposing is repugnant enough, seeking to write books and make films just adds tremendously to the revulsion at their shameless and heartless conduct.


Madeleine will always have a much louder voice that has no need of money or anything it can buy! She has the voice of innocence xxxx

xx

dylan said...

Hi all,

I would have been back earlier had I not had another soap-style episode this evening! Nothing is ever smooth in my household.

Eldest daughter was cleaning her hamster's cage out and gave the hamster a cuddle, as she does each time the cage is cleaned (once a week) when hamster got a bit wriggly and would have fallen on the floor if Xxxxx hadn't caught her. Unfortunately, she caught her by the leg and heard a sickening crack and carried her through to the bathroom, screaming and crying as she went that she had 'broken' her. Poor girl was in pieces but her finger was pouring with blood where she had been bitten in her hamster's distress. So I had to disinfect her finger and hold it up with cotton wool pressed on it whilst trying to comfort daughter and assess whether the hamster was in pain!

After daughter calmed down a bit (and stopped bleeding)I fed the hamster with a slice of apple which she took and nibbled on happily and watched her for a bit. Leg is definitely broken but I rang the emergency vet who said that hamsters commonly break their legs and have endorphins that are much more effective than painkillers and she will be fine, with some rest. I asked her to tell Xxxxx the same which seemed to make her feel better but she was still traumatised that she had hurt her poor hamster. I told her that since hamster was happy to eat she couldn't be in too much pain, and that her life was probably saved by her not falling the full distance to floor!

Oh the trials and tribulations of motherhood but I'm glad she feels reassured now. Hamster is now in living room and has come out of her bed twice to have a nose so she can't be in that much pain, thank goodness. It's Xxxxx that I'm worrying about as I've never seen her that distraught before, poor thing.

Strange about pinky and poops. Could well be right there, and Zodiac - lol!

Tired out now from all of the drama here this evening. Off to bed to dream about happy rodents and cheered up daughter :-)

Nite all xx

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

They should have show remors for their selfish actions begged people never to make the same choice they did and searched for her.

Kate should have answered all questions put to her they were very simple to answer and by now they should have sold their house if they wanted to keep the fund going I am sure Aunt Phil said the family would be doing so but maybe they know there is no point.

Blimey if it wasnt so bloody tragic for Madeleine it would be funny how they hired the wrong team to represent them.

As for RP Troll and other people on their side every single post by them made them look far guiltier than anything I could write...

Nice to see you back from what you said I think you will be going back one day xxx

hope4truth said...

OH Dyl your poor daughter...

When Charlie Died he was in oldest daughters room and at midnight he was swinging from bar to bar with his front paws as he loved to do when she heard him crash to the bottom of his cage and ran to wake me screaming he was dead.

Of course I put her in my bed and told her he should be ok and sure enough he was dead must have had a heart attack his paws were still in the air..

Calmed her down and got her to sleep and at 12.30 was on my drive in my PJs putting the cage in the garage so she would not see him in the morning...

I am sure your hammy's leg will heal they are very robust animals xxx

hope4truth said...

Off to bed see you all soon xxxx

viv said...

Hiya Doc

What a bizarre post.. an established level of care that has been used for decades by businesses, holiday camps and hotels? But what of normal caring parents? We are not discussing here what businesses may or may not have considered acceptable and I think that is the crux of the problem. We are discussing a couple who cared no one jot for three little tots who even between them has a combined age of just 7? I wish this idiot would tell me just one decent parent who would leave a seven year old all night every night just like those two unprintables did!

Every hotel I have stayed in recent years has a key that switches all the lights/elec off if it is not inserted in the slot near the door. I do not know how they can persist in this lie about checks every 30 minutes given the clear evidence from a decent woman who has no reason to lie, Madeleine and Shaun cried Daddy, Daddy for one hour fifteen minutes. Not only that, on their own admission Gerry checked at 9 and Kate at 10, I am not good at maths but do not need to be to see that means checks once an hour, There is also clear evidence there were far MORE checks THAT NIGHT. In short, the normal routine was no checcks at all, they were left to cry. These people are no better than Holocaust deniers it is just as repugnant and just as pathetic. It is not up to a business to set the standards of parental responsibility, Kate and Gerry set their own standards and they just do not match what normal decent parents do, who always come home from holiday with all their children, needless to say they make that an absolute priority. I simply cannot understand how Kate McCann has the audacity to seek to try and explain why she just went out and left her children alone yet again. children who could not even switch the light on in a strage and dark apartment. I hope one day someone really terrifies her, then maybe she can just imagine how her poor defenceless little tots must have felt whilst she got pissed as usual and really into her friends!

viv said...

Hiya again Hope

I did say we may go back to the Hotel again in April but will have to see how we go. I did love it there and it would be great to see again some of the lovely friends we made.

Dillie I am so sorry to hear about your poor daughter's sad experience with her hamster but it does sound like good news that no permanant harm has come to the little creature. I can recall just how distressed children can become over animals particularly Martin my eldest. He once found and injured Jackdaw which he carefully nurtured fed and called him Jack, he struggle desperately with the poor bird and I can still see him saying come on Jack please dont die Jack but he did, that is a hard thing for parents to cope with when you can just feel your child's distres, as you know that is what makes me so intensely angry about Kate and Gerry McCann.

I do hope your daughter and her hamster will be just fine!

Love Viv xx

Cláudia said...

Just wanted to wish you all Boa noite.

Viv, beijinhos, querida amiga.
Doc, dorme bem too.

viv said...

Boa Noite querida Claudia e muitos beijinhos xxxxxxxxx

ate amanha !

ratonthebeam said...

We had a gerbil once that broke a leg. We splinted it with a matchstick and micropore tape and it healed fine. He went on to become one of the founding fathers of our current gerbil dynasty! :-) :-) :-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Dylan

Thank you for your kind comment. I am sure that my new lady will heal my own wounds.

Claudia and Doc

I hope you saw my thanks to you on the previous thread.

After my journey I now need to sort through bags and bags of bundled clothes to see what I keep and what is disposed of.

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Dylan hope your daughter (and you) are feeling better today. The hamster is probably the only one not bothering about yesterdays events anymore.

ICTOAN hope you are feeling better also after your trip to France.

BBL

docmac said...

ICTOAN

I did see it and I hope things are looking up.

viv said...

ROB - that was a nice cheery post re the Hamster, Dyl I hope that works a treat if you can stand the bites to splint him.

ICTOAN - I hope you are feeling better. In relation to old things from a closed part of your life, I found it very thereapuetic to burn all the files for my case against my ex employers. Additionally Luke and I recently made numerous journies to charity shops and the local tip. Sometimes as one chapter closes another good one opens and I am sure your new lady can help you with that one. Getting rid of old stuff really helps I think!


Viv xxxxxxxx

docmac said...

LOL!

Madeleine McCann’s Mother Advances to Suspect Round in Quiz Show
By Biff Scuzzy
Sep 7, 2007, 08:54

PORTIMAO, Portugal – Madeline McCann’s mother, Kate, has advanced to the suspect round in this season’s smash Portuguese television show Did You Kill Your Daughter?.

Mrs. McCann, 39, whose daughter Madeleine, then three, went missing on May 3, spent eleven hours before the cameras yesterday, patiently providing answers to the show’s host, First Sergeant Carlos Rodrigues.

“Senora McCann was especially strong in the ‘Remote Parenting Skills’ and the ‘Diversionary Balloon Launching’ categories,” said First Sergeant Rodrigues. "She also did well in the 'Religious Cliches' portion of the show.

“Therefore, we decided to advance her from the bola rasteira (sneaky-looking person) level to the arguido (named suspect) category.”

Mrs. McCann was "shocked and surprised" to learn that she had been named an official suspect, a family spokesman said.

"Kate never thought it would come to this. She did her best, and I expect she will continue to do so.”

Under Portuguese game show rules, a person cannot be charged with a crime unless she or he has advanced to the arguido level.

The producers of Did You Kill Your Daughter? expected Mrs. McCann to be back in the studios this morning, preparing to answer “the really difficult questions” that go with being an arguido—questions such as, “C’mon, we know you did it. Why don’t you save yourself a lot of trouble by telling us the truth now?"

One producer cautioned, however, that being an arguido did not automatically mean a contestant “will walk away with the grand prize.”

The only other arguido in the Madeleine McCann case, 33-year-old British expat Robert Murat, has been unable to advance further to date. He is in danger of being downgraded to bola rasteira and sent home with a mini-refrigerator and a bottle of house sangria as consolation prizes.

What’s more, Mrs. McCann faces stiff competition from her husband, Gerry, who also has made his way to arguido status.

Did You Kill Your Daughter?, filmed before a select studio audience, is aired on Portuguese television’s Discovery Channel at 9:00 p.m. on Thursday. The show can also be seen Fridays at 10:00 p.m., Sundays at 6:00 a.m., Tuesdays at 8:00 p.m., and at any time via the Discovery Channel’s on-demand programming.

docmac said...

All thanks to Rosie who put me onto this with this piece of carp:

Isn't Carlos Rodriguez, the private detective in Riley's case, the same private detective that went to Portugal and talked to everyone undercover? He concluded that Madeleine had been abducted.
Apparently he is part Portuguese, so could converse with people fluently about that night.

Zodiac said...

Docmac,

LOL!

docmac said...

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Nobody EVER has a birthday over there. Who else thinks they should disable this feature? If I were a member, they would never wish me anyway as that day would be reserved for pseudoprayers. Don't ban me again Pops, please. Just treat me as the rest of the planet would treat a guest :-)))))

docmac said...

Hi Zodiac ;-)

docmac said...

Rosiepops
Grand Member
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Location : Portugal

Watch out for the fluffy white towelled one, Rosie. He's after your job. You do the maths.

Cláudia said...

Doc, PMSL!

Hopefully Poops doesn't read French

docmac said...

Excellent article, Claudia!

Nope, Rosie only reads, speaks and understands repetitive gobbledegook. He also partially understands English.

docmac said...

I particularly liked this bit:

Indeed, the DVD is not complete and comprises only about 17% of the total (amount of evidence).

And the McCanns' lawyers have not even got halfway through that! It's the other 83% they have to worry about, eh?

Cláudia said...

Doc, yep...

Poops understands English? Good, if THE BOOK is published in that beautiful language she can fully enjoy it. :-)

docmac said...

THE BOOK will be landing in the UK soon, if I understand what I have read correctly :-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, well, I'll believe it when I see it. Or when, well, you know... ;-)

Cláudia said...

Have to go.
See you later!

docmac said...

Cheers, Claudia

I was off arguing with some conspiracist fool on 3A.

nancy said...

Hi everyone -

Glad to see that Ironside is back on 3A's - go to thread 25710 - and read what he has to say about RP and ST - I even got a mention from the dreaded duo would you believe?

J J said...

Docmac

I may well have had a sense of humour bypass but I cannot see anything funny in this case!

A child is missing, most probably dead.

And your post of 12.42 today ...

isis said...

Welcome back viv, havnt had time to read back but i really hope you had a wonderful time, Egypt is really amazing , so much to see and where to satrt !! Anyway welcome home !

viv said...

Hiya JJ

I think that for a couple who sought to abuse the press to put on their own money making circus all in the name of their dead daughter was in the very worst possible taste. Satire can be a great way of powerfully exposing people who are really just empty shells and IMO is exactly what they both courted and thoroughly deserve. What do you think about the treatment of Robert Murat?

J J said...

Hello Viv

From day one, I said that Robert Murat was a scapegoat.

I'm glad he is finally getting justice for himself.

I only hope that Madeleine also gets justice.

docmac said...

jj

I suspect you may have missed the point. Any humorous posts from me are usually directed at the lying scum that called themselves the 'parents' of Maddie McCann. I find no humour in the latter's murder at all. The post at 12.42 was a copy and paste... And I still think it's funny.

viv said...

Hiya Isis and welcome to you too!

Egypt is a captivating and atmospheric place. I am so glad I visited and will undoubtedly return. For now I just have delicious thought of lazing around in warm crystal blue waters with the sun beating down on my back, beautiful fish passing by and looking across at rugged and beutiful mountains as I swam in the most perfect surroundings...enchanting bliss!


xx

Di said...

Oh I love this posted by Kerry on 3A's he just about sums up everything we have always said.





http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/

Monday, November 17, 2008
Madeleine McCann: Britain set to see new perspective on the Madeleine McCann mystery
The Independent on Sunday reports, Maddie: The Truth about the Lie is expected to be published in the U.K. The anticipated publication follows the book's huge success in Europe, where despite the customary legal threats from the McCanns, the book was published unhindered, unchallenged and free from interference by other parties.

The book is written by Goncalo Amaral, the Portuguese detective who led the investigation into the alleged disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Amaral - like Lenny Harper, the detective previously in charge of the Jersey care home investigation - has come under intense attack from a British media and British Establishment, eager to destroy his credibility. The book contains factual details of the investigation that have been suppressed by the British press.

From the moment Madeleine, (who was made a ward of court by her parents shortly after the alleged abduction) was belatedly reported missing, an overall strategy was implemented. The key component of that strategy was, and still is, the prevention of availability to the British public of any information that may show the McCanns in a negative light.

It's hard to imagine two people who made a deliberate decision to repeatedly leave three babies unattended on a nightly basis being shown in anything other than a negative light, but thanks to interference from various parties, the McCanns inappropriately became the poster children for responsible parenting.

Another key component of Team McCann's overall strategy is to discredit any individual or media organisation that tries to publicise a point-of-view that doesn't suit the agenda of the McCanns' or their key supporters. "Keyboard monkeys" emerged to attack individuals and new and traditional media who dare to speak out. Robert Murat was belittled and humiliated, while Mr Amaral, an experienced and well regarded detective is portrayed as a vicious, drunken thug.Even two highly regarded and highly insured sniffer dogs became victims of a smear campaign.

Mr Amaral's colleagues also came under attack. The Portuguese police were painted as lazy, incompetent and indifferent to the McCann's plight. They were subjected to racial abuse by the likes of Tony Parsons, a man who despite his lack of genuine media credentials, somehow managed to convince someone with an eye on circulation figures, that he could put two words together that might make sense to someone with the same dysfunctional and dated mindset as himself.

At least the Portuguese police and authorities haven't been responsible for the tragic and well publicised plight of several children failed by police and failed by councils and social services - that black mark goes to Britain, as it does so often despite decades of promises that "this will never happen again."

In short - everyone is disreputable, corrupt, negligent or an oddball - except of course for those who went out wining and dining while three vulnerable mites were left to their own devices. Instead they became media heroes - feted at police awards, patted on the back by disgraced former U.S. Attorney Generals, and welcomed by European MPs anxious to hear their expert views on child protection - a problem the McCanns admitted they were not previously aware of - despite their much publicised occupations as doctors. The sudden emergence of a convenient social-conscience can be a great boon to any media and image protection campaign.

Reports alleging filed complaints from two of Kate McCann's friends alleging inappropriate conversations between Gerry McCann the father of IVF conceived Madeleine and David Payne, a key member of the Tapas Nine, went unreported in the UK media. So too did allegations concerning unethical and illegal behaviour by Metodo 3, the highly publicised private detective agency hired by the McCanns, who along with all the other two-bob agencies they have hired, have failed to deliver.

In fact, all they have achieved is to leave a string of harassed and distraught families in their wake. Even they were discredited by the British media. An innocent family out with their children were widely publicised as poor, dishevelled and living in shacks - all because of the irresponsible and potentially illegal actions of two typical British holiday makers abroad with their, "Never mind the kids - where's the bar?" attitude.

Credible European media sources reporting outside interference hampering the investigation and claims of "moles" close to the case, are conveniently ignored by British publications that would normally be falling over themselves to be the first to publish such details. Many other reports worthy of further media investigation have also been unreported by the UK media and the likes of The Guardian's Roy Greenslade, a self-righteous, pious, McCann apologist, who wont have a word said against two people whose actions would be highly criticised elsewhere.

Mr Amaral is happy for his book to be published in the U.K. He rightly says, "People can form their opinion without the manipulation that we have seen before."

That sentence is the key to this tragedy. Madeleine McCann's fate very quickly ceased to be the core issue. Reputations and other factors became the key concerns. Calls were made, favours were called in (as admitted by one of the McCann's own family members).

Mr Amaral may well be happy but of course the McCanns' are not.

The last thing Kate and Gerry (the man whose on-camera face is quite different to the reality), want is for the book to be published in England's green and pleasant land. A land where centuries old tradition grants those with social-status and appropriate social-networks, a degree of protection not extended to lesser but equally irresponsible and unsavoury members of society.

The McCanns are no doubt angry that people may read the book and start asking unanswerable and previously forbidden questions. Then again, the McCanns are constantly furious and outraged about this that and the other if their reputations are in danger of being tarnished. Ironically, you rarely hear of them being furious, angry or outraged at what might have happened to Madeleine. Personally, I think nasty words by others would be the least of the concerns of the parents of missing children. They are usually to be found actively searching to the point of exhaustion and family break ups.

The McCanns' on the other hand, leave no stone unturned in their search for more money to add to a controversial and questionable fund that so far has only benefited the McCanns - and a host of detective agencies whose business credentials and suitability went largely unchecked by allegedly intelligent,successful and business-savvy backers.

At least the McCanns managed to avoid any messy inconvenience by refusing to get directly involved in the search for the child they failed. Their overall search strategy has involved hiring agencies with no previous demonstrated track record in locating missing persons; printing posters of the world's most recognisable child; refusing to take part in a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing; daily jogs along the beach or cliffs; collecting cronies from the airport in Portugal and maintaining a daily happy holiday diary (at least until they fled from the country they vowed never to leave without Madeleine, as soon as the police released them from questioning)

Clarence Mitchell of course was quick to respond to the news that a well trained British public may have access to a non-establishment perspective of the Madeleine McCann mystery.

"Lawyers for Kate and Gerry have been aware of what Mr Amaral has been alleging for some time. What he has said and written before now is grossly defamatory of them. If he chooses to publish them in Britain those words will be studied intensely carefully and they will not hesitate to act if they are defamatory."

The McCanns' have been far more vocal about the potential loss of their alleged reputations than they have been about the actual loss of the child they claim to have loved so dearly, but not dearly enough to ensure her safety and welfare.

Makes you wonder what the McCanns' and their dining companions would be prepared to do to protect their reputations


Published by Mike Hitchen, mikehitchenconsulting.com

Cláudia said...

Hello, all.

JJ, I think it is quite clear that the joke is on the Parents of the Century. Oh, and their puppet too, of course.

J J said...

Docmac

Ok. We will have to agree to differ.
We obviously have a very different sense of humour.

viv said...

Hiya JJ

Thanks for that. I think justice encompasses so many things. Take these blogs for example. If we were not here spreading the truth, it would be Madeleine's parents getting their own form of justice. The right to commit a serious crime, dispose of their own little girl and yet, have the public believe that she was abducted and they are but negligent victims of this. These blogs counter their false propaganda, that is justice for Madeleine and for many other children too. If less aware and educated parents listened to Kate and Gerry McCann what would that do for the welfare of children? We need to continue to dispel the sickening myths they seek to perpetuate, that is the very least we can do to try and proect others. Madeleine is dead but she can save so many other children, that is what I call justice. Madeleine's parents are being prevented for living a happy cash rich life as they planned, they are haunted by the police and who may spell out the truth, again that is what I call justice. If they had persuaded us all they are innocent and gone and got millions off the Americans for books and films, that would be the complete antithesis of justice. There is a purpose to these bloogs and humour and satire also play a vital role. Doc has been one of the staunchest researches and supporters of exposing the truth about Madeleine from way back to Daily Express Days, he is also been a great and highly amusing friend. I will always be grateful for his support on my blog and many others, including of course dear Claudia who has also worked tirelessly for the truth for humour and for little children and caring policemen who seek to bring to book those who offend against them. Justice is not just a question of court proceedings it is about doing the right thing and supporting a good cause.

Viv xx

Cláudia said...

JJ, we will also have to agree to disagree.

J J said...

Viv

As I said to Docmac, 'We obviously have a very different sense of humour.

I just felt very uncomfortable reading that post.

So long as Madeleine comes first, that is all that matters.

Anything that keeps her name, and not that of her parents, in the public domain, must be a good thing.

J J said...

Claudia

Sorry!

nancy said...

Di -

I agree with you and Kerry

Mike Hitchen has put into words just what we have all been thinking and saying since Madeleine disappeared - the truth too in my opinion. spot on!

Cláudia said...

JJ, sorry about what? Disagreeing is part of life. A very important part of life.

nancy said...

Another good thread on 3A's - 27720 by Malena Stool

BREAKING NEWS IN THE LEICESTER MERCURY 17.11.08

By Tom Pegden.

"Parents are seeking any nugget that can lead them forward in their search of the Portuguese Police files"

As usual they are not speaking for themselves, but CM is in there speaking for them - yawn, yawn!!

Di said...

Nancy

Mike Hitchen, I agree spot on.

Come on British press get a backbone.

docmac said...

by Rosiepops Today at 3:35 pm

Perhaps the pseudo docs and pseudo solicitors, pseudo probation officers, pseudo teachers etc should also read about Kevin Fox and watch the video footage on ABC.

Pathetic moronic fools.


Kevin Fox? The guy who admitted on camera to murdering his own daughter? Your pseudo point is what, exactly? Are you trying to use this case as an example of why the murderer and her lying husband should get off? Because Riley and Maddie were both three? I fail to see the connection, though it is quite startling that you are finally admitting Maddie is dead. Goodnight nurse.

bath theory said...

The sort of people who continue to use the language Rosiepops do are either paid to do it, directly linked to the issue themselves or sufficiently uneducated to not worry about the social implications of projecting a narrow minded prejudiced point of view that does not consider the rights of a 3 yr old victim.

Thus given the above one can conclude it is not the last one and thus it is highly likely (in my opinion) that this person is very much directly tied to the case and is indeed more educated than the persona of Rosiepops is projecting. To me it is an educated person who is 'enjoying' speaking/writing in a way that uses tones of threats, intimidation and distortion. This could be financial but more likely because they have a direct motive to speak this way.

It may be the main man himself or one loyal to what he stands for.

bath theory said...

Either way this person has a powerful motive to continue to peddle reasons for dressing up opinions as facts and a powerful motive to seek to intimidate those that merely question,ponder and reason statements that may lead to the parents being involved.

A free society allows such discourse and long may it do so.

docmac said...

The time now is Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:09 pm
Critical Information

You have been banned from this forum.


Bugger! Not again :-)))))


Yes, BT. I hear you.

dylan said...

Good evening!

Thanks Rat, Claudia, Hope and Viv for your well wishes for my little furry friend! She seems to be fine today. Rat your story made me laugh! I can just imagine how fiddly that must have been. As for hammy, I think I'll leave her be. She doesn't appear to be suffering andd the vet said it should heal shortly.

ICTOAN, very glad you are feeling better today. :-)

JJ, good to see you post again.

Docmac, have you been up to your usual tricks again?? ;-)

Hello everyone else. I'm too tired to think again about posting anything relevent this evening but I have been reading - thanks for the info guys and some good thoughts.

Justice for Madeleine.

xx

xx

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viv said...

Doc, they may be a bunch of out and out to&&ers but they are also a real good thing to laugh at, cheeeersx Oh and infiltrate and annoyxxx



The time now is Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:09 pm
Critical Information

You have been banned from this forum.

Bugger! Not again :-)))))

docmac said...

I get banned daily, Dyl. Any unknown IP address seems to get banned pretty smartly. Considering the number of IP addresses I have used, I'd be surprised if any outsiders can read it any longer. Good!

I'm on there at the moment. They are just gagging for posts :-))

Cláudia said...

Doc, aren't you hurt due to so much rejection? ;-)

docmac said...

Hey, Suiderkruis!! :-))

It's getting closer and closer, eh? I meant to send you an e-mail the other day but I got all romantic for a day or two and then forgot. Vergeve my!

docmac said...

Claudia and Viv

Yes, I am so hurt I can't even hold an election (as the Chinese guy would say). LOLOL!

viv said...

Di /Nancy

I agree the Mike Hitchens post is a really eloquent post expressing everything we feel about the conduct of the gruesome twosome so well, thanks for posting that.

No wonder they bend over backwards to write such sickening abuse about him. Their tactics fit well with the two they seek to serve, at a heck of a price no doubt, from the
Find Maddie Fiddle.

We still have not heard about any detectives currently ahem searching for Maddie have we, so what are they currently spedning the money on, well need I ask, themselves and their reputations that they seem to think it is worthwhile spending the money on. No different to when they were in PDL then really, their children were no worth spending anything on unless it was free, best save it all for themselves..they have not changed a bit, have they!

x

viv said...

Doc, you are s selfless devotee to the cause:-)))


How furious you make Rosie - do you remember that rather unpleasant phrase he used on me on the DE, I see through you right through you, I think he got that slightly the wrong way around!

viv said...

and anyway, I take some seeing through these days:-)))

viv said...

Doc, what on earth could have happened to ST's blog?

Given we were the stars, I am quite miffed you have to bother to be a member to be able to read it, one a palaver eh!

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOL

Viv, ST couldn't cope with being so many anons and is currently 'resting' in a 'special hospital'. LOL

Off for a bit!

viv said...

Oh gosh Claudia Hun, do you mean the Christobel funny farm in Ireland?

Hummm OK!

Do they allow paedophile research when someone is sectioned, well how frustrating!

xx

docmac said...

Yes, Viv. And that was before you became Vile.

docmac said...

Well I never! I've just read that LGC and Librarising are a married couple! How on earth did I miss that before? Both getting attacked on 3A for posting on some other forum which I have never heard of.

Oh well, if you still read here LGC say hi to Libra from me :-)

docmac said...

Got to go to bed soon, but I would love to read Rosie's answer to this question:

Why the hell do you you need to make up a derogatory name for anyone and everyone who does not agree with your opinion of the pseudo-Catholic pair? Even those that you would never dare converse with, like 'bent tits' Bennett and 'lardy boy' Amaral. I guarantee that either of those two alone would have you licking the floor clean with your foul tongue within 5 minutes.

Cláudia said...

Doc, Poops does not answer questions for obvious reasons. It just sleeps and then tells lies when its not sleeping.

hope4truth said...

Hi Doc

Bloody Crazy the other forum was set up by Jan (I post there) beacause after all the Mods were banned I guess she still wanted to chat to some of the friends she had made on the 3As.

I have never read anything slating the 3As there is a live chat function but I am not in it 24/7 and this must be where they got their quote from...

There are clear instructions on every thread not to copy and paste from there and D Levey has asked for his posts not to be coppied

As for Mr and Mrs Librarising they are a wonderful couple and are actually comming to us for dinner on Sunday and I would trust them with my life not a false bone in either of their body's... Mrs Libs is one of the best friends I have ever had and reading her posts tonight she is as to the point as she always is..

I vowed never to post on the 3As again after one of the mods posted the link to the outing of Rat (I know it is none of my business but I thought that was below the belt)...

xxx

Cláudia said...

The 3 Arguidos must now be in the ends of a crazy bunch. Otherwise none of what I've been reading would be allowed. Madeleine Beth McCann? Who?

docmac said...

Claudia, lol

Hope, please do pass on my love and very best wishes to Mr and Mrs Libs. I have always thought they were two of the most passionate and intelligent posters I have had the privilege of 'meeting'.

isis said...

Hope, the 3as is in meltdown. I have never seen such paranoia in my life. Most of the chat on the other forum is just that... chat !! Mr and Mrs Libs rock !!

hope4truth said...

Doc

Will do not a chance of catching LGC on e mail tonight she is very busy LOL will text her...

The crazy thing is they are exactly as you see them I am reading the posts and LGC (or cash on Jan's) has not been doing what they say she has.

Libs invited me over there and all of them have welcomed me although Isis is the only person I actuall knew and most of the chat is daft full of smilies talking about what we are up to etc...

Have you been banned from the dark side again???

hope4truth said...

Hiya Isis

It is crazy obviously feelings have been hurt and I expect people have chatted about it but from the way they are slating LGC you would think she was spreading poison???

I have never seen slating on there and as I said I dont know many people and everyone has been nice. I even had a PM on the 3As saying this woman had been banned and it was not nice (never heard of her???) xxx

isis said...

Hey hope, from what i have seen on chat , most of it is smilies and talking of typos !!!! I dont know what is going on but im pretty much done with the 3as tbh, it has become more about egos with very distinct groups only answering each other, and less about madeleine. Havnt had a pm yet but im sure after my post on that thread , which as yet is unanswered, i will be in recipt of one soon !! Ah well ... think some are leading others up the farden path !!!

docmac said...

Thanks, Hope. I do hope they get my message through you. You and Isis appear to be having lots of fun at the new forum. Enjoy it, both of you :-)

3as is 'r'ucked, I agree. Arguments about the existence of God, the moon landings and 9/11 are not my cup of tea.

Cláudia said...

I obviously meant in the 'hands' not 'ends'. :-)

Anyway, I predicted this some time ago. When all the paranoia about Mr Reis and Mr Levy started. I called it a smell of self destruction.

hope4truth said...

Isis

I am always happy to entertain the masses with my typos and what the bunnies are up to in the farden LOL

It is very ego driven on the 3As such a shame as it had some really good threads on there and was for Madeleine...

Madness Maddness (one d or two???) LOL xxx

isis said...

Claudia, agree... self implosion imminent. All credibility being lost imo.

hope4truth said...

Doc Message delivered I have advised LGC I have outed our friendship and Sunday Roast...

We met through the forum and thank god we did she is an insperation and bloody hysterical xxx

isis said...

Hope.... think the first one looks right ??? !!!! I love your typos btw !!

hope4truth said...

Yeah what was all that about Levey????

Did they think the article was fake or was an article fake I got lost there???

Cláudia said...

Isis, it's sad. I don't find it personally sad because I never posted regularly and I only joined in the end of July because of my summaries of THE BOOK. It's sad because of Madeleine. And because the team must be loving it. Sometimes I wonder who the people who are allowing that self destruction are.

hope4truth said...

Isis

I aim to please and by saying that I can pretend I mean to do it LOL xxx

hope4truth said...

Claudia

Exactly the pros will love the fact it has gone into self destruct mode...

Such a shame...

How is your neighbour BTW poor lady it hits you after the funeral and everyone goes back to normal xxx

isis said...

Claudia, was thinking the same thing myself . Clarence must be pink with delight !

docmac said...

Hope

She is friggin funny, yes. And she loves penguins too :-) Those birds (in fact all coastal birds) are very important to me, my wife and my kids, though I do not talk about it much. We are all volunteers at SANCCOB and we have all cleaned and fed many oiled seabirds over the last few years.

Cláudia said...

Isis, exactly. And isn't that sad?

Cláudia said...

Hi, Hope. My neighbour is doing quite weel. Thank you for asking. She has had sompany and we make sure she is never alone for too long. And to be honest, she has so many thing to think about now and so many problems to deal with (having a selfish bitch as a daughter does that) that I think it has in a sense helped with the grief.

hope4truth said...

Doc

Opus is a lovely chap as well very smart with his red bow tie demands far too much time of LGCs attention offer him a herring and he is very well behaved...

That is worthwhile helping oil soaked seabirds...

Funny my girls and husband think she is brilliant.

xxx

docmac said...

Claudia, it's sad, yes. I am soon going to stop posting on all sites relating to this case.

Cue Rosiepops, YAY!!!!!!!

The mother murdered the poor child. There has been and will be so much kak posted until the parents are brought to justice. I'm tired of it, to be honest.

docmac said...

Hope

I'll not forget Opus :-)

hope4truth said...

Claudia

It is good she is busy not so good her daughter is being a pain...

Doc

God forbid we forget Opus he will get very huffy xxx

LittleGreyCell said...

Evening all,

Hope posted me your marvellous comments, thank you all. Tears in my eyes at present (must be the sauteed herring sizzling on the hob).

Am exhausted, trying for hours to bang into their thick heads on the 3As where they're going wrong. Think, cretins!

Hope everyone's OK. I do read on here lots, but what with there being only 24 hours in one day, have limited time in which to contribute.

My affections are still with you all, and always will be.

XXX LGC and Opus (btw, go easy on the compliments about the old penguin, they so easily go to his head).

LittleGreyCell said...

Viv,

Hope you had a lovely holiday!

XXX

hope4truth said...

LGC

you just missed your chance to say Hope who? Never heard of her LOL

Good to see you here xxx

Cláudia said...

Her daughter is not a pain, Hope. Her daughter is a effing itch. ;-)

Doc, oh, no you're not. :-) Unless you want to make Poops the happiest breathing thing alive.

Cláudia said...

LGC, don't waste your precious time with some people who are more interested in forum wars than worried about what happened to Madeleine.

hope4truth said...

Claudia

Oh dear that is not so good xxx

Cláudia said...

No, Hope. Not good at all. But my neighbour has got a good support net. :-)

LittleGreyCell said...

Thanks, Hope!

Looking forward to lunch on Sunday - is it roast herring again???

X

isis said...

LGC... promise never to threaten to eat opus again !!

hope4truth said...

LGC

The goldfish died so thought we could have that???

xxx

hope4truth said...

ISIS

Are you here or there???

LittleGreyCell said...

Have to say, folks, that Hope is one of the best people I've ever met. And her family are all wonderful. And I say this even though she doesn't actually have a penguin of her own.

Whatever has come out of this awful tragedy concerning Madeleleine, life-long friendships have been forged. Life-changing relationships. And for that, I'm so grateful.

X LGC

isis said...

Hope, flittin between !! just said goodnight to you !

hope4truth said...

I am off to bed youngest daughter is not well (either that or she wants the day off school???)

See you all tomorrow...

night night xxxx

LittleGreyCell said...

Hope,

I do so hope you were joking, some of Opus' best friends are (were) goldfish.

LittleGreyCell said...

Isis,

Hmm. Will get back to you on that one...could be it's already too late...

:)

hope4truth said...

LGC (Sob)

Thanks for not holding my non penguin ownership against me...

Yes Life Long friendship indeed from such a sad sad situation...

See you tomorrow mate sleep well xxx

hope4truth said...

Isis

Oh I missed that LOL night night see you soon xxx

Night all xxx

hope4truth said...

LGC I leave the jokes for you...

It wont be fish I dont have a recipe book for fish...

It could be beef it could be lamb or maybe even chicken I will be having marmite on toast xxx

LittleGreyCell said...

Night Hopie!

Wishing your daughter well (or perhaps not if there's something icky at school).

XXX

hope4truth said...

I am going now Night all xxxx

docmac said...

Hi LGC!

Great to 'sea' you. No, that is not a typo. Hope all is well with you and the 'boss' :-))))) You know what I mean, don't pin me for it ;-)

Enjoy the roast, hopefully it will be something a bit browner than herring. Does Opus enjoy boes?

docmac said...

bones....

There you go, Rosie. It's 2am here.

Night Isis and Hope.

LittleGreyCell said...

Off to bed now.

Night all! Thank you all for your friendship, and also for accepting my old penguin for who he is. (An old penguin).

Sleep well.

XXX

Cláudia said...

Boa noite to all who are leaving!

docmac said...

So Gerald has admitted to taking (at least) Calpol, Nurofen, Losec and terfenadine to Portugal. Hello, Gerald, I thought you had said on another occasion that you took nothing with you. Want to add something to this? F'in liar.

docmac said...

PS

I hope you are going to need a whole lot more of that Losec soon :-)))

docmac said...

sans_souci wrote:
Little pixie, salsa and slave. I would usge you to read Grimes report very carefully. It suggests that "eddie" will alert to cadaver odour and blood, and keela will alert more specifically to the exct location of blood.

This means that the laters COULD be to the scent of blood. The presence of blood could have many explanations, especially if in very small quantities.

It is dangerous to draw specific conclusions based on information that you do not understand fully.


Read this very carefully! An ex barrister on the bottle :-) I've never had much time for this guy. Have a good day all.

dylan said...

Good morning!

Hi Docmac. May I ask what "Losec" does/is for? I suppose I could google it, but then I'm feeling lazy this morning ;-)

LGC, lovely to see you here. I have missed your humour (not that others here do not have a sense of humour, but that yours is quite unique ;-)) Enjoy your meal at Hope's. Whether it be beef, lamb or chicken, one thing is for certain, it won't be bunny!
Speaking of which, I had a horrible experience on a French exchange. My exchange partner took me into her garage to pet the bunny she had just got. A couple of days later I was served up a strange meat (and I'm a veggie too!) and felt, out of politeness, I had to eat it. You can see where I am going here.....:-(

I notice that Poops is a "grand member": how very apt ;-)))
Also, one of my main objections to the use of 'Lardy' for GA is that it appears to imply that obesity has an anything to do with whether you are a good or bad person, corrupt/straight. I recall mentioning how childish this name calling was and saying that it is a mark of school-yard bullies, to which Poops (or Bum or Troll) replied that I was the one who was being childish using "Poops" etc. IMO, there is a BIG difference between using a play on words for a person's cyber-name, and picking on a person's physical appearance in an infantile manner. Let's not forget also, the "lovely" pictures on the dark-side of the large person in flagrante with a somewhat smaller person. What an adult thing to post - NOT!

wrt sans_souci's post, what is he getting at?? Sure as hell it is not a nose-bleed that is responsible for the blood, if that is what he is trying to imply!

xx

docmac said...

Hi Dyl

Losec is a PPI, a stomach ulcer drug.

dylan said...

Thanks Doc and lol!

xx

nancy said...

Docmac -

San-Souci (whoever he or she is) is obviously in denial.

Clutching at straws springs to mind!

The truth is, if those dogs had found DNA from anyone other than Madeleine, K and G and pals, they would all be applauding those wonderful dogs' efforts to the sky.

bath theory said...

Nancy
That is why we know they are at best being liberal with what they know and at worst hidng the fact that they are cold calculating child ......s

If Murat's house had shown positive traces of blood spats and DNA etc according to these dogs then it is absolutely certain the parents would not be taking this stance and pretending it is not worthy.

The parents role in this is known by the parents and that is one reason why they could laugh like lottery winners a week after it happened and why now 18 months on they look 10 yrs older.

Sometimes knowing something can be very damaging to your health especially if it eats within due to triggers of morality every now and gain. I fear for the remaining two children.

Di said...

Hi all

Viv you have mail at Felicity.

Di said...
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Di said...

Sorry double post.

mandarinn said...

BT
i agree with you. Life will not be easy to the twins... time will come when they heard people to speak about their sister and can go to the net and invesrigate. It is very dificult nowadays to hide something that was spread all over the world.Mccans had the hight profile case they wanted but... i guess they never thought this will come against them... in that their arrogance made them stupid

docmac said...

Things fall apart.

It was a great book by Chinua Achebe (yes, Rosie, I really DO live in Africa), but this is sad. Hope and Isis, I see you both posted on there. Blog and forum wars. Ho hum.

Nancy, I believe sans_souci is on a nice retainer ;-)

Goodnight all. I have been made an offer I can't refuse, so won't be in again today :-))

hope4truth said...

Hi Doc

I had to post what I did (will print it bellow) it is so very sad they are destroying a valuble forum.

Janz site is not there to get information out of anyone and the quick chat is fun. Obviously we are discussing the 3As now but most because they have all been banned LGC Isis etc I resigned LOL so they did not get to ban me...

I cant believe they are trying to portray Jan as being pro the reason so many people are banned is because the are only there to stir and start forum wars...

Justice for Madeleine is all that concerns me and talking to the people I have met here and the DX who feel the same way I do may just get something done about it...

Below my post Viv remove it if you feel I am trying to start my own forum war but it is not what I want. The 3As was so brilliant and the last thing I want to do is slate it but last night I watched my friend posting honestly and being put down and today they try and start worrying people again and I had to have my say and leave..


God knows what is going on I said I would never post here again after one of your Mods posted a link that outed Ratonthebeam which I thought was bloody disgusting (none of my business but I have posted on the DX and Viv's with Rat)...

I know Librarising and LGC personally but met them through blogging and our families have got together regularly over the last few months. I would trust both of them they are good honest decent people.

There was a major fall out between Mods here and Libs had no reason to lie about what was going on and I know they have met Janz personally..

I post on Janz site and it is not all about the 3As in fact most of the live chat is daft but fun and as someone posted last night it is all about the smilies...

People got hurt with the fall out and I guess blogging is not so easy to make up as it is not face to face...

I started posting for Madeleine because she was let down in the worst possible way by parents who did not give a damn about their children and the neglect and their joyous pictures make me sick...

If I did not post on Janz site I would be worried sick now that something sinister was happening over there and it is not.

The Pros must be loving this their site was run by intimidation and threats surely that is not where this one is going?

I have no reason to try and cause trouble I don’t know many of you and only joined because Ironside raved about it here and advised us to do so.

This has been a brilliant forum and I have advised many people to have a look in here if they want the facts and they have all been impressed with the posters intelligence and the wealth of information there is here...

If anyone thinks I am out to cause trouble have a look at Viv's and read some of my posts my one concern is what happened to Madeleine and Justice for her and all neglected and abused children sadly as time goes on there is less to say about this poor neglected little girl...

Blogging on Viv's can be depressing when such sad news comes to light and we end up chatting about other things we have blogged together for over a year now and going off topic is inevitable...



I am sorry people got hurt but there is hurt both sides to try and worry people like this and try and portray janz as CM's no one fan is bloody strange.



Please remove my membership I had enough paranoia with Supertroll (who is male like rosiepops by the way) and my solution when he was trying to get at me was to not read the tripe he printed about me..

Madeleine needs this forum it has a wealth of information and people who really care about her what she doesn’t need is it to be turned into a laughing stock with people stoking their own ego's.... I only know a couple of people who were convinced Madeleine was abducted and Gerry and Kate did no wrong thanks to this and other forums they were shocked by the facts presented here and have changed their minds. If they read this thread I don’t think they would go any further and would still be convinced the McCann's did no wrong.

Justice for Madeleine is the only important thing what people think about me doesn’t matter as long as no one forgets this darling little girl.

hope4truth said...

OH Dear

When I say the reason so many people are banned is because they want to start forum wars I ment banned from Jans not banned from the 3As

Di said...

Hi Doc

It is so terribly sad what is happening on 3A's.

Most people are there for the right reasons but a few are there to disrupt. I am sure they are very astute, agree with your posts compliment etc., and then go in for the kill.

If only all posters would ignore disrupters and keep on topic, but I suppose it is difficult not to be distracted.

I only hope 3A's can survive this episode. They are there for the right reasons.

Di said...

Doc

An offer ;o))))

isis said...

Hope, your post was amazing. Respect:)) This is my message from the 3as , think its amusing really !! You have been permanently banned from this board.

Please contact the Board Administrator for more information.

Reason given for ban: wish granted

A ban has been issued on your username.

Di said...

Hope/Isis

What is going on?

I read but hardly post over there I don't know who to trust and who not?

Help!!!

hope4truth said...

Isis

It is because you clapped me...

very sad it was such a fantastic place to post...

When are you back at work???

Di said...

Isis

Why have you been banned?

hope4truth said...

Di

I dont think any of the mods on there are un trustworthy but there was a big falling out (over something very silly) and they banned some of the mods. Jan helped set up the site and is obviously hurt so has set up her own blog.

They keep trying to get into it and understandibly she does not want them there.

Alot of people have been banned or refused memebership to Jans because she does not want a forum war.

Last night LGC tried to answer a thread basically slating Jan and the ex Mods and posted in her usual wonderful way and was bullied and then banned..

Today another Mod started a thread about how we should not trust Jan and some of the ex mods and I had to have my say and get out of there. Then Isis clapped me and got booted off (I resigned)...

I know LGC and Librarising and they are both wonderful people it has been fantastic getting to know them and they are just as they post honest and are concerned for Madeleine.

They have met Jan and I trust their judgement I met another ex mod who was kicked off with them a few weeks ago and she was lovely.

Some of the remaining mods are trying to make people paranoid and if I did not know LGC personaly I would be very worried right now.

Jan has also met Durvate Levy in Belgium and he posts on her blog but has asked none of it is coppied and I think the 3As are also trying to say it is not him???

It is very strange but I was not impressed when one of the mods on the 3As posted a link that outed Rat one of their own Mods???

xxx

Di said...

Sorry but this is from 3A's posted by pussycat and I have posted it because I think it is worth reading.


Press standards to be investigated by parliamentary select committeeMark Sweney guardian.co.uk, Tuesday November 18 2008 17.11 GMT

A parliamentary committee is to investigate issues of privacy, libel and standards in the press, in part prompted by a string of successful court cases relating to coverage of Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

MPs on the Commons culture, media and sport select committee will look at issues including whether the UK press's self-regulation regime needs toughening up, with the role of Press Complaints Commissions certain to face scrutiny.

The inquiry will consider a wide range of issues, including whether successful libel actions against Express Newspapers' titles and a number of other national papers over the McCann case "indicates a serious weakness with the self-regulatory regime" and whether self-regulation needs to be "toughened to make it more attractive to those seeking redress".

Other questions the culture select committee will ask witnesses from the newspaper industry include why the PCC did not launch its own inquiry into the McCann case coverage; and what changes news organisations have made after a string of libel settlements that has seen the industry pay out more than £1m in damages this year over its reporting of Madeleine's disappearance.

The committee, chaired by Conservative MP John Whittingdale, will seek views on issues including the "interaction between the operation and effect of UK libel laws and press reporting", as well as the impact of "conditional fee agreements on press freedom".

Other areas to be examined include contempt of court laws relating to reporting on investigations and trials - particularly in light of the rise of online publishing - and whether, following recent court rulings, "the balance between press freedom and personal privacy is the right one".

The committee will taking written submissions on the issues to be covered in the inquiry until January 14.

Di said...

Hope

Thanks for that, I have not understood what has been going on over there recently, except to say I found it extremely sad. Madeleine seems to have been forgotten amongst all the bickering.

Maybe, that is the whole point of some peoples agenda.

Di said...

Hope

I have to say LGC always makes me laugh :o)))))

nancy said...

Di

I read that too. I see this is being brought to the attention of the Press Ccmplaints Commission because of the McCann's and Murat payout! Is this to try and stifle the media because more important revelations about the Madeleine case are in the pipeline I wonder?

We shall see!

hope4truth said...

Di

I cant work it out if I did not know Libs I would asume something really bad had happend and they had found out they had been infiltrated by Team McCann...

There is such good stuff on the 3As like your last post but it is getting lost in all the agro and paranoia and I have had enough paranoia to last me a life time..

xxx

hope4truth said...

DI

She is very funny...

xxx

Di said...

Nancy

I had not looked at it in that way, oh I hope not.

Where is the justice for poor Madeleine.

Hope

Paranoia you and me both.

I am envious that you know LGC and of course OPUS, how lucky are you, LOL

Di said...

Nancy

I meant trying to stifle the media, not more revelations. The more revelations the better:o)))

nancy said...

Hope

Sorry to hear about the 3A's and the problems with some of the posters there.

Inevitably there comes a time with all forums when boredom and frustration set in even though it starts off with such enthusiasm and a genuine wish to solve a crime such as Madeleine's disappearance from the face of the earth.

I often wonder whether the 3A's has been infiltrated by those in the McCann's and CM's employ, because although there are some fascinating threads and posters, there are many more coming along now who just want to disrupt and upset those who are trying to get to the truth.

I am astonished that RAT and Isis are among those badly treated, both posters all of us on here respect.

It's such a shame because with people like Ironside and others of his ilk it will be terrible if the pros get to take over on there.

Stranger things have happened.

nancy said...

Di

Sorry for the confusion. I probably didn't explain myself well enough.

Yes, I think they will try to stifle the media because there may be revelations in the pipeline that only those who want things covered up know about.

I can't think why else they want to get the PCC involved.

hope4truth said...

Di

Well of course it was Opus I wanted to be friends with but LGC wont let him go anywhere alone and I have to be polite LOL

Nancy

I wonder if the pros have been there posting to turn it around and destroy it???

Such a shame such a billiant site has become very strange...

xxx

dylan said...

Hope,

Great post! To all others, I wouldn't worry about it. I am sure the 3As will still be going strong for some time to come and all of this is nothing but a storm in a tea cup. One thing us so-called antis are strong together for, is a just cause. So long as that cause exists, we will still all be there for it. I have seen the word 'divisive' mentioned many times on 3as recently and whilst it feels like some posters are being divisive by witholding information (for good reason as I can see), the information will traverse the ether eventually and all that will be forgotten.

I believe we are all really committed and the proof is in the pudding as I perceive it with the friendships that have been forged between Hope and Mr & Mrs Libra, the support and comfort we give to each other throughout hard times ( various emails) and a firm belief in the fact that a little girl who has gone missing due to the selfish pursuits of her parents, deserved so much more. Madeleine's rights is why we post and those of all of the other children who have been shamefully neglected and hurt. I for one will not pay any attention to the slagfest that has happened to divert me from this cause and I doubt that most on the 3As will do either, if the cause is what they are truly there for, and if it is worth fighting for.

It'll pass!

Off now. Good night all, and I forgot - nice to see you Mandarinn :-))

xx

hope4truth said...

Hi DYl

I hope it passes it is too good a forum not to...

Madeleine first!!!!!!!

Hope you are well xxx

Di said...

Dylan

Well said :o))))

Di said...

Hope

I agree.

Off myself now

See you all tomorrow.

x

viv said...

Evening all and Di thanks for the interesting report that a Commons Select Committee are to invgestigate the media involvement in the McCann case. I think this is particularly welcome and hope that in particular it will look at the issue of the McCanns being paid by certian sections of the media, not just for libel but for the news itself, according to the McCanns and their massive entourage. In truth this is now about decent invesstigative journalism at all. It is about mewspapers clamouring for various "scoops" from two people who are suspected of very serious crome amd on their own admission are the most dreadful example to other paremts. If the press wish to continue to self-regulate then I hope the commons will seek to demand more reputable standards from our press. Rather than what we have witnessed here, behaviour resembling a pack of blood bounds but after big headlines and the revenue that goes with that. ?There should be no glorification of people like Kate and Gerry McCann just because they are the fount of a massive public interest story. With decent methods this sotry could have been accurately and hoenestly reported rather than the travesty where we have seen, where the interests of Madeleine and other neglected and abused children has simply been ignored.

What Editor truly believes that there have been any genuine sightings of Madeleine at all? If an Editor's only motivation is to sell advertising because they have the biggest circulation, rather than honestly wishing to accurately informm our press is in a dire state and does need investigating.

But what of having a conservative heading up the committee? Will his main interest be the typical interest of conservatives - what generates wealth rather than promotes the dececy of humankind and respect for innocent little children who desperately need a voice>

I am pleased it is also suggeste4d they will look at the anomoly between allowing people to pursue libel claims with the benefit of conditional fee agreements and the freedom of the press to accurately and honestly report. If Kate and Gerry McCann had had to actually pay out the money up front for their legal costs to fund their actioon against Express Newspapers and if they had had to actually go to court and argue their case before getting a payout would they have been so keen to proceed? I really do not think so. When you have a comibiation of a firm like Carter Ruck whose whole rasion de etre is to abuse the law to hive off massive fees and only too willing and equally dishonest clients it brings the whoole system of condition fee agreements into disrepute. These were brought in when legal aid was abolished for people to make personal injury claims following genuine accidents where they have genuinely been hurt. The thinking behind it was simple if this system was not brought in, people who had suffered say a serious accident at work but could not afford a solicitor to fund their case would be denied the right to claim compensation. But this should not be allowed for people who just want to claim their reputation alone has been damaged and cash in with a settlement when they have no intention of actually fighting for justice. Libel has always been a law that is abused by the greedy and the downright dishonest and no firm of solicitors should be allowed to take on cases they know they can win for people like Kate, Gerry and their sickening entourage, it is immoral. The public do have a right to know exactly what this couple did and just hnow culpable they are, and the public do have the right to expect that the press can accurately inform without writing out a blank checque for such people who do not deserve any money at all. They courted and manipulated the press and thus gave the public a right to know about precicely what did happen to Madeleine, rather than their own deiscredited version. Were it not for the media in other countries, notably Portugal, we would still be none the wises, in fact we would be filled with risable propaganda, this is a sorry state of affairs and I really hope abuse on both sides i.e. the press and parties like Kate and Gerry can be brought to book and expected to uphold better standards of honesty rather than mutual cashing in for millions, all in the name of a dead little girl called Madeleine which is something that we as a nation should be ashamed of and demand be put right.

Exdcuse the long post, I will stop now!

xx

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

You are obviously refreshed from your holiday excelent post...

I think when GAs book comes out and they dont sue more people will be asking why... And the inside of a courtroom is not somewhere they want to be.... xxx

viv said...

Hiya Hope

Well I just rattle it out quick and I see make a lot of mistakes but that is not a problem, I dont think!

It is almost like the key board monkeys had given up, but then there is a meeting, a rallying of the troops and suddently it is all systems go again. WE have seen the sudden upsurge many times before and it always coincides with another really terrible revelation about Kate and Gerry McCann. This time we know only too well, what it is all about, Count Dracula has even been pulled back out of his box - thought of that book as he makes plain in English! Suddenly as far as they are concerned that becomes something they really need to make threats about, not that it has anything at all to do with finding Madeleine, that was never, ever the issues was it. It threatens the gruesomee twosome and their fantastically expensive campaign to save themselves that they conned out of innocent, trusting members of the public and yes big celebritities got conned to, but there is no shame in that. Had Madeleine genuinely been abducted they would of course have done the right thing. Reminds me did you see that Prat Bum 21 recently claim that she ia a friend of Richard Branson and he is still very much on their side. Strange then that just like JK Rowling and Beckham he has not managed to get around to saying so (!)


xx

isis said...

Di, my reason for being banned was twofold. Firstly , i like hope and LGC have been watching a situation develop over a period of time where there is an element of paranoia being put there with the starting of various threads. I have had enough of the siliness , when you see respected bloggers and journalists being constantly questioned, very respaected translators , and claudia can attest to this, leave the forum, its time to go. The site is not what it used to be. Earlier today i sent a pm to the site admin explaining my reasons for leaving and requested my account to be deactivated, hence my earlier post , that was the message i got !! More so though because i applauded hopes wonderful post. Something strange going on over there imo. Madeleine seems to have become secondary to a more suspect motive imo.

hope4truth said...

Isis

Are you trying to say you resigned and were not part of the Banned...

Damn I thought your clap did you in LOL...

xxx

viv said...

Hi Isis

This site may be a lot smaller but is carefully monitored and abusive keyboard mnonkeys who just want to cause trouble are not welcome. We had more than enough of that in the earlier days of this blog and I know we are far better off without people whose only mission is to abuse and cause trouble.

You are always welcome on here and I value your contribution. No paranoia guarantee xxx

hope4truth said...

Hiya Viv

Yes something is about to happen lets hope the book is really giving them sleepless nights...

Are the other sites still trying to ban doc LOL xxx

isis said...

LOL hope !!! I pms herself to request it but im sure the clap didnt help !! Thanks viv:)))

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