Updated - it is now confirmed that Fiona and David Payne, together with Fiona's mother (who was always scrupulously honest) informed Portuguese Police last July the rest of the group were telling a pack of lies THEY NEVER CHECKED THE CHILDREN, Jane Tanner certainly never saw any bundleman because she never left the table...the burning question is of course why did she seek to suggest there was an "abductor" and just how much trouble is she in for lieing for Kate and Gerry McCann. The Oldfields just left their one year old baby all night, every night. What a rotten bunch of child neglecting LIARS they are and that is not to mention Kate and Gerry McCann..No wonder Rachel Oldfield looked like someone just walked across her grave in that pic in PDL in July, you know when she was trying to stitch Robert Murat up..so you should be terrified you wicked woman. How come Social Services have not taken their children?
Hi All, Below is the report from 24 Horas, dated 29/5/08 in which it is confirmed the McCanns are being investigated for four crimes - kidnapping, murder, concealment of corpse and abandonment, but as yet there are no charges.
Whenever parents have killed their child, unless the circumstances are obvious, which in this case, clearly they are not, they will always be investigated for murder. This does not mean to say that is what they will be charged with, it is clearly possible they could be charged with manslaughter, in Portuguese culpable homicide : Homicídio culposo. However, what quite often happens in UK law is the prosecution go for the more serious charge (murder) and then accept a plea to manslaughter, or it is open to the jury to actually find the accused guilty of manslaughter rather than murder if the prosecution refused to drop the murder charge. If the prosecution can prove evidence of planning or conduct that is wilful and deliberate then it is very possible they accused person will be convicted of murder. The prosecution always look for evidence of the state of mind of the accused before, during and after the crime to decide on the appropriate charge. Here we have a couple who knew little Madeleine was dead but immediately set up a large fund, that is very damaging evidence against them and goes to the issue of their intent and state of mind. Kate's diary is extremely important evidence here. Also possibly a book the police are alleged to have found in the McCanns villa re criminal law and procedure. The deliberate lies/asking their friends to lie for them is also, utterly damning.
, ******* The Times has deliberately misreported ******** to exculpate the McCanns, claiming the official court document only referred to the crime of abandonment.
I believe this is the McCanns latest strategy, they know they are to be charged but would have us believe, only for neglect. Thus they can still insist that Madeleine was abducted and they are hard done by being prosecuted in such circumstances.
It says the door is open to a possible indictment (charging) of the McCanns even though it has not been possible to determine definitively what happened inside the apartment. As Robert Murat is still an Arguido I assume the kidnapping investigation also relates to him, but as we know the PJ indicated they are not intent on prosecuting him by returning all evidence they seised from him. It is ominous the police were also investigating the McCanns for this. In short they knew they either killed her or arranged for her to be abducted. We should remember the police wanted mobile phone evidence and Kate and Gerry McCann have refused to hand it over, including prior to Madeleine going missing. Some people may not want to accept this, but it clearly confirms the police think that planning was involved here, and the fact the McCanns just will not hand it over, tells us the reality I am afraid.
24 Horas go on to point out that The Times also falsely reported this case last summer by indicating the blood found in the hire car was not Madeleine's when in fact, it was. It is truly shocking that a newspaper we all imagine we can respect are falsely reporting on behalf of the McCanns.
The article also confirms my own view that there will be charges by the end of August because that is when secrecy of justice ends and the McCanns will be allowed to see the court file. This is exactly what happens in UK, once a defendant is charged they are allowed to see the police case against them so they can properly prepare their defence. As we know that defence can no longer rely on seeking to discredit the cadaver dog evidence from the American case they sought to rely upon because that man has now confessed he did indeed murder his wife and has been sentenced.
Dolores reported some local news from a man in Rothley. Gerry is sometimes seen going in the local Co-op and going to work but looks really ill. Kate is not seen at all and does not seem to even leave the house...no one sees her and no one speaks to Gerry, he is just ignored. The strain upon them of continuing this charade is clearly immense and they should ask themselves whether it would be better to just face justice as the American suspect did, where two separate cadaver dogs had quite properly located two separate areas where he had dumped his wife's body as he moved it around seeking to avoid detection.
http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.php?numero=2856&link=09
http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.php?numero=2856&link=09
24 Horas 29/5/08
Case COVERS KIDNAPPING, MURDER, CONCEALMENT OF CORPSE AND ABANDONMENT As the 24horas said first hand, the couple McCann is being investigated by four crimes, but has not yet been charged
Judicial Police to investigate the possible occurrence of 4 crimes in Maddie case, as shown a judgement of the Court the ratio of Evora, released Tuesday, at first hand, for 24 hours. Yesterday, the English newspaper "The Times" returned to the subject, citing the same document, to advance that Kate and Gerry McCann can be accused by the Ministry The crime of Public exposure or abandonment of minor, punishable by the Code Criminal with a penalty between 3 and 10 years in prison. According to law, incurred in practice of this crime who endanger the lives of another person, "abandoning - without the defense, always the agent has the duty to save, monitor or watch. "
Judicial Police to investigate the possible occurrence of 4 crimes in Maddie case, as shown a judgement of the Court the ratio of Evora, released Tuesday, at first hand, for 24 hours. Yesterday, the English newspaper "The Times" returned to the subject, citing the same document, to advance that Kate and Gerry McCann can be accused by the Ministry The crime of Public exposure or abandonment of minor, punishable by the Code Criminal with a penalty between 3 and 10 years in prison. According to law, incurred in practice of this crime who endanger the lives of another person, "abandoning - without the defense, always the agent has the duty to save, monitor or watch. "
However, as explained by 24 hours, this is only one of the lines in research. In that case run end in Services the Ministry of Public District of Portimão, is also being investigated by thesis and the possibility of abduction of murder and concealment the corpse. First document which speaks of two theories This is the first official document to admit the existence of two lines Research - and abduction murder - and to "open" the door to a possible indictment of McCann even though there is a failure to reach definitive conclusions about what happened in apartment 5 -- In the Ocean Club. One possibility that the spokesman for McCann, Clarence Mitchell, now called of "contradictory and inconsistent". The interim report of PJ on the disappearance , Madeleine arrived in 11, the prosecutor September last year. Since that time the process has been accompanied by Attorney General district of Evora, Luis Bilro summer, one of the Top of the MP. In the process, which remains in secret, justice until 15, August, were set three defendants: Kate and Gerry McCann and Robert Murat, an English resident in Praia da Luz in Lagos, in Algarve ■
ERROR. The improper interpretation of the judgement of the Court made by "The Times" newspaper is not the first serious mistake that the newspaper withgreat prestige has committed in the Maddie case. In summer, 2007,on the cover, it announced that the traces of blood found in the McCann's car were not fromMaddie, when came to know after it, they were.
ERROR. The improper interpretation of the judgement of the Court made by "The Times" newspaper is not the first serious mistake that the newspaper withgreat prestige has committed in the Maddie case. In summer, 2007,on the cover, it announced that the traces of blood found in the McCann's car were not fromMaddie, when came to know after it, they were.
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10 am Viv
Call me Fernando Torres. Don't need recuperating. Got a plane to catch. Nite x.
Flip, you won the exciting "first post on the fourth page" competition Viv. Damn you're good. Are you HelenM?
Gosh Fernando you are sounding very bullish and exciting, really looking forward to that.
Try and enjoy your flight xxxxxxx
Ate amanha
com amor
(tee hee Claudia's gone to bed)
It is my blog and I throw my dummy out if anyone tries to win that exciting competiton. I have to win it becase I say so The Pink Trolls gave me the idea for this - brilliant!
She might be one of my repertoire and there again she might not, sometimes of course I do forget which side I bat for, but I have a very hard batting stroke so give both sides a lift x
Geez Viv. This is really the very last post for tonight. Really. The very last one, I promise. No, I must double and triple promise. Even quadruple promise. And another one. And another one. And another one. And one more for luck.
Crikey, I've just turned into Gina!
xx
Doc you can even see that Gerry got battered ooops I mean batted into space, see him in his space shuttle well alright flying saucer (he is a bit pretentious) at the top of this blog. It must have been a damn fine bit of camera work to catch this, did Mum do it?
Doc, if you just turned into Gina, by not even knowing if you are coming or going, you can forget it, because I would throw her down the stairs as wellx
Viv, I will never post here again.
Ever
Ever
Never ever.
Ever again.
Doc,
what you mean not never, not ever, are you sure you are sure about that?
Tee hee I know what made you think of Gina x
Ever.
See you at 10 for that very important meeting!
Nite.
Ever.
Well anyways Doc, I hope those Metodos paid her a racket because she is worth every single penny x
At 10 darling, very important meeting and really look forward to that x
Don't even speak to me, Viv. I just told you I would never post here again. Ever. OK, maybe later.
I'm gone. Gotta be at Claudia's at 8. It's a long drive from Beja. Not just round the corner like Tarifa you know!
Doc darling I can speak to you any time I like because I said so.
Please do not be late for me or Claudia and cross the border safely, watch out for bandits.
Nite Nite xxxxxxxx
The McCanns holiday plans, they want to be somewhere very, very private (God Forbid, they want to engage in some more "normal family conduct")
Holiday Plans
by Chinadoll Yesterday at 9:36 pm
The McCanns have done everything possible in their endeavours to maintain as much normality as possible for the twins. All their nursery school friends are probably excited about their holidays and chatting about same. They are a family for goodness sake and this is normal family conduct.
What annoys me, is the likely rationale behind the announcement of the holiday, as actually, it is nobody elses business but theirs.
My view on this, is that because of their arguido status, they have to inform the Portuguese authorities if they are away from home for more than five days. They know fine well that after doing so and jumping on a plane, a leak will appear from Portugal - probably reported by 24 horrors slating them for enjoying themselves whilst Madeleine remains missing - possibly accompanied by smiling happy photos of the family, as 24 horrors will have an undercover photographer waiting at their destination.
In this regards, I hope they manage to find a tranquil and private place to go (very private at that) where the slimeballs won't be able to milk this family further
Chinadoll
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Not picking up the curriculum too well, are you Chinadoll, God knows when you will ever pass your test!
but of course pushing people off a cliff or hanging them from lamp posts is not, sick at all, is it??? Sounds like Psychopops to me ...read as much sick lurid stuff as you possibly can and then, get even more sick and lurid..... been down any tunnels with the rats lately Psychopops, maybe you should stay there xxxxxxxxxxxx
the lies
by sian Today at 1:49 am
hi all,
refernce sky news from angel sky bloggs madelines ashes are in the urn above the fire place in between 2 photos .
how sick is this person id say very.
And its mild with comparison from bubbles sky bloggs or obubbleso a3 according to her she has a photo of missing madeline in egypt...............................................................................what a freak hay,what a pair of lying
id love to push these pair off a cliff or hang them from a lampost stupid pathetic pair
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OK Viv, I just got back from the States and decided to post here again. I was planning on being there for 6 months, but 3 hours was quite enough. I do love the sun in Spain. Moribundum et cleanmybum and all that shit. The world is a very weird web according to some. 'Twas ever thus.
Viv, 'id' love to meet the thicko that wrote that piece of shite! Thicko as in Melbel of course.
I've got a floor to clean before I leave for Claudia's place. Murat has kindly offered me a lift in one of Sergei's 26 cars. See you later.
Hi Docmac
Need to ask you something. If you please can you get my email addy from Viv? Thanks.
Docmac
Or, can I get yours from Viv?
Hi Mariana
I'm sleepwalking here. Ask Viv to send me your addy. As long as you're not the popstar. Or Cherie Blair. Or Hillarious Clinton.
Nite, or G'day I should say!
Hi Docmac
Will do. Thanks. Try not to sleepwalk, you may get abducted.
By popstar I mean Rosiepopstar of course, not the great Marianne.
Zzzzz.
Of course.
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