25 Aug 2008

INITIAL STATEMENT GERRY MCCANN FROM PJ FILE

THE TIME READS 5.59 3/5/07 - SO WHY WERE THE MCCANNS NOT THERE?


The above is further details of what Kate and Gerry told the Police which Atardi found, thanks:-)) All carefull worked out on the covers of Madeleine's story books no doubt, they knew she would not be needing those any more :-((((

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Hearing Gerald Patrick McCann The hearing takes place the day after the disappearance of Madeleine, 04/05/2007 at 11.15. It begins by explaining the fact that Gerry is British and, therefore, did not understand Portuguese, either spoken or written. Under what is called an interpreter "jury" name: Natalia. Its function is to translate accurately, the language of the declarant to the country's official language, words, feelings, images, phrases and verbal family used. To avoid any misinterpretation ... In 1994, Gerry McCann had already visited Portugal. He stayed in an apartment on the outskirts of Albufeira. The desire to know Portugal was due to the fact that the country is known for its excellent conditions for golf. The trip is now conducted by the suggestion of a friend David Payne who reserved the OCEAN CLUB, after making an investigation on the Internet, for the declarant, his wife and the rest of the group. Altogether, a group of nine adults and eight children including child Madeleine disappeared. The group consists of people that the declarant known for some 5 or 6 years. They travelled in two separate groups. One composed of declarant, his wife Kate and their three sons, David Payne and his wife, his two sons and his mother-in-law. This group came from the local airport from Leicestershire and another group from London, comprising four adults and three children. The meeting point was the Oceania Club in Portugal. The declarant's group arrived at 14:30 on April 28 with provenance of Faro airport by a small bus to the airport services. The other group came the same day at 13:00. After "chek in" the declarant, his wife Kate HEALY, his daughter Madeleine and her pair of twins two years, and SEAN Amelia, settled into an apartment G5A. The apartment consisted of two beds in the first room, plus two others in another room, where the company provided two cradles, in addition to the bathroom and kitchen. GERALD Kate and slept in one room and on the other, slept her three children including twin beds in the "baby" and Madeleine in a normal bed. The remaining bed was empty. Between April 28, arrival date and time when it disappeared Madelei the declarant indicates not have noticed anything unusual except that a morning of May 3, Madeleine asked his dad, Gerald, why had not the ido room while the twins crying. The declarant had not heard anything and did not move up the room. It was the first time that Madeleine had this kind of comment. In regard to the facts routine reads: On Sunday, took the breakfast, between 07:30 / 08:30 at the bar of the Ocean Club a few metres away from the apartment. In the following days due to the remoteness of the bar, began to buy food at the supermarket located in the same artery that the apartment. After breakfast the children remained in a nursery club called "Club Kid" where they engaged in various activities such as painting, collage and so on. this until 12h30, under surveillance for several employees at a ratio of one supervisor for every three children. At 12h30 iban parents looking for children and lunch at the apartment after making purchases of supplies. After lunch, at approximately 13.30, children stayed near the pool club, supervised by parents, for about 45 minutes while playing and got the sunscreen. After this time, children were returning to the "Club Kid" until around 17h00. Time to which dinner, at the bar, under the supervision of parents. After dinner of 17h00, parents gave them a bath and before preparing them for the night, leaving some time in an area of games annex to the tennis courts, always under the supervision of parents. About 19h30 / 20h00 children slept until morning routines that described above is restarted. While the children were in the "Kid Club", GERRY playing tennis with Kate, past or were "jogging". Yesterday (Note: Day of the disappearance), after the daily routines, Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their beds at 19h30. Parents stayed in the apartment was relaxed and drinking a glass of wine until 20h30. Having found that children slept, parents, accompanied by other adults, headed towards the restaurant "tape" about 50 meters where all had dinner together. As usual, every half hour and because the restaurant was near the apartment, the declarant or his wife iban to check whether children were well. 21h05 Thus, at 21h05, the declarant entered the apartment with the help of his key because the door was closed, and headed toward the room of children, found that the twins Madeleine and were well. Then went to the toilet a few moments. He left the apartment and crossed a person with whom he had played tennis and started a small conversation, then returned to tape. 21h30 At 21h30, a friend MATT (group member) went to his apartment where they were their own children and went through the declarant's apartment through a sliding door that was always open and located on the side of the house. Entered into an apartment, saw the twins and found that Madeleine was okay. Everything was normal, blinds were closed and the door of the room was among open as ever. Then MATT back to the restaurant. 22h00 At 22h00 Kate went to check on children. Entered into an apartment through the door with the help of your password and saw that the door of the room was completely open, the window was also open up the blinds and curtains open. The doors were closed except the rear as mentioned earlier. Faced with this situation, Kate found that the twins were in their respective bed unlike that Madeleine had disappeared. Having looked carefully at the apartment, his wife, frightened and dismayed, went to the restaurant to warn the declarant of the disappearance. Immediately the group headed towards the club and searched all facilities, pool, tennis and so on. As well as an apartment, with the help of employees of the Ocean Club, and at the same time, contacted authorities. 21h10/21h15 He wants to emphasize that one element of the group, Jane, around the 21h10 / 21h15, when going to his apartment to see her children, saw about 50 metres into the artery that goes to the club, a person carrying a Children in pyjamas. Jane may clarify this situation better. Madeleine As regards to Madeleine, is described as of Caucasian race, skin white, 4 years (12/05/03) and about 90 cm in height. Delgada, dark blond hair, smooth and even shoulders. Left Eye blue and green the right however, that, with a brand of brown. It also has a small distinctive badge on your skin, brown, on his left leg. You have no scar. When disappeared, wearing a white pajamas with some pants with floral motifs and whose top had short sleeves, mainly coloured pink with a drawing of blue and ash with the inscription "Eeyore." As regards to the girl's personality is extroverted, hyper active, he can talk, cunning with a great ease of connection with other children. She never would go with a stranger. The declarant is not suspected and no one finds no reason for this act, has no enemies, neither he nor his wife. His daughter does not suffer from any illness and does not take any medicine. The declaration authorizes that a reading of his mobile phone. Apart from Kid Club, and the apartment were only once to the beach with Madeleine and the twins but during a very short time, because weather conditions were unstable. It only took an ice cream and returned to the apartment. Apart from what has been said, Madeleine and other children's Kid Club went to the beach, five minutes walk from the club for an hour. This output was organized by the company itself. Monitoring and organization were in charge of the club, the declarant and his wife were not present.

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Cláudia said...

it is!

docmac said...

What, Claudia|?

Cláudia said...

I won that orgasmic contest. I wrote the 200th comment!!!

Cláudia said...

Doc, ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. I was just sent a post where one of the braindead specimens was absolutely excited because in Spain there is that oh so weird, excentric, 'un-british' thing of having fun in the street by throwing tomatoes at each other.

docmac said...

lol!

hope4truth said...

Thanks Claudia will wait x

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

In the UK if you threw a tomato at someone in the street you would be fined for assault or imprisoned for discarding litter.

Wizard said...

Sorry if this has already been discussed but today's Daily Star article is interesting. I copy it below.

MADDIE: OUTRAGE AT BOOK

Cop accuses McCanns

By Jerry Lawton, 28 August 2008

Madeleine McCann's parents faced fresh heartache last night as a best-seller on the case hit Britain.

Kate and Gerry are already planning to sue retired Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral, 48, over allegations in his book.

They have launched a bid to stop it being published in the UK. But the first copies have arrived here via Portuguese booksellers.

Chunks of the 221 pages have been translated into English and posted onto the internet. The book, seen by the Daily Star, includes photos from police files.

One shows Kate and Gerry, both 40, and their holiday pals giving information about Madeleine at the scene just hours after she vanished.

The police chief criticises the McCanns, their friends, Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Leicestershire Police.

Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "This account has gross inaccuracies and is grossly defamatory.

"The conclusions are entirely false. They suggest Kate and Gerry were involved in the death, accidental or otherwise, of Madeleine and covered it up."

He added: "Mr Amaral and his publishers should not mistake a lack of action yet for any lack of long-term action.

"He is presented as a world-class Madeleine expert but what does he know?

"Do you know how many times he interviewed Kate and Gerry when he was on the case - not once!"

Madeleine, now five, vanished from the family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, a year ago last May.

docmac said...

Too right, Claudia. And they ask why there are no hotels in the bush camps. Can you imagine building a godawful 30+ story Holiday Inn or similar in the middle of a pristine wilderness area? Going to these places is all about getting AWAY from that stuff! That's why it's called 'the bush' or 'the wild'. Otherwise we could just go to see the caged animals at Longleat or the local zoo. Wild!!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Wizard

A subtle way of putting doubt in the minds of its readers?? After all the Express Group want their £500,000 worth.

docmac said...

"Madeleine, now five..." Not again!

Clarence is paid to say what he does and seems perfectly happy to say the same thing over and over again. Would I do it? NO! Is he doing a convincing job of it? NO! Does he act on these words? NO!

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, LOL. I have to say that I cannot imagine myself in the middle of the Tomatina, but every ear thousands of people have loads of fun there. :-)

Doc, these are people who haven't seen and worse who refuse to see beyond their little villages. People who are different are to be suspected, just like the swarthy looking people. Different colours, different faiths, different cultures, different beliefs and different languages are not welcomed. Those are the kind of people who avidly comment on online articles which discuss immigrants, muslims and other topics which scare their little, empty heads. Those are the people who do not recognise that if it wasn't for immigration, Europe would be even older and most likely dead. Ignorants. Plain and simple.

People still lsiten to Clarissa?

Cláudia said...

Wizard, they're outraged?
Good. :-)

docmac said...

Claudia

Let's not go there. Though I strongly disagree with the profiling and stereotyping of various cultures, races and faiths amongst immigrants and indigenous Brits there is a LOT of anger and fear within the UK right now and it's bound to cause some bitter feeling and argument on all sides. That kind of subject is way too big for a blog like this and is probably best left alone x.

Cláudia said...

Doc, you know who I was referring to. ;-)
Those who make xenophobia and racism a way of living and who inhabit a smelly place.

Anonymous said...

'Kate and Gerry are already planning to sue retired Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral, 48, over allegations in his book.

They have launched a bid to stop it being published in the UK. But the first copies have arrived here via Portuguese booksellers.'

There it is again planning to sue. Well I am just a member of Joe Public and I even know that GA would invite you to sue, so why not just do it FFS! That sounds a bit like we are doing all we can, working really hard behind the scenes to find our lovely...wasser name...? Enjoying the DVD's and books K while the little ones play in the garden, now that is what I call searching?

Who the FK do they think they are that they can stop books being sold in the UK? Guess that book won't be on their Christmas gifts to give list? I would like to buy a copy. How do I get one...anyone?

Viv,
When the book is available in the UK it would be nice to have a Book Club Thread where we can discuss the book. Surely book clubs and opinions that one may have regarding the material just read are not illegal.

Anonymous said...

I listened to this interview last night posted on 3 A's:

http://www.churchesmediacouncil.org.uk/conference/audio/Churches_Media_Conference_2008_part6.mp3

Did I hear correctly. When he talks of the forums and bloggers. He says we have a voice a high profile voice, almost as though that cannot be allowed and he is surprised. Well Clarice the high profile voice is actually Freedom of Speech having an opinion an expressing it, it is what people fought and died for in the past, it is what people are fighting and dying for now and no doubt people will fight and die for it in the future. I choose through my right to having an opinion and my own brain not to accept your, imo, past it's sell by date Pink Blamange. I have never had the incline to indulge in your ghastly Pink stuff and I never will. I choose to form my own opinion by doing my own research on the WWW by reading, imo, the genuine translations of the Police files from PT and reading the translations of GA's book by someone I trust, someone I have read for nearly a year now, someone I respect, someone who feels the same way I do regarding child neglect. I do not believe that you and your employers who neglected their children and as a result of said neglect are now missing a child, do not read the Forums and Blogs. I believe that these Forums and Blogs are the thorns in your sides. I take offence to your accusation that because I choose to seek information here and elsewhere on the net that I am inciting criminality. I am merely looking for justice along with like minded good people who blog for an innocent then 3 year old child badly let down by the people who should have put her and her siblings safety above their own selfish pleasure, a child that vanished and has no voice. If you and your employers who systematically neglected their 3 little children, imo, whilst on a family holiday do not have the same code of moral ethics as I do, well then tough! I have not given up my time for nothing I will always continue to search for the truth of the holiday in PdL May 07. The more I am told by you and yours I am not entitled to my opinion then the louder I will shout it.

Joe said...

As the Mccanns are completely innocent why should they let a little book bother them? Yet it seems to bother them a lot. I am sure if they were really intent on suing Mr.Amaral them they would have started by now or at least will seek an injunction to stop it being published in the UK. It looks like all the Pink Porker's work will be for nothing with the nasty Mr.Amaral getting his book out first and now publishing it in the UK and not in the UK press, bought and paid for. I hope it becomes a best seller in the UK for all the questions that it raises and puts the pathetic press to shame.

One more thing the Mccanns would not ordinarily be suing anybody as they are not in the big money league so whose money would they use to fund lawsuits? Not there own I will bet.

Joe said...

With regards to Zodiacs post....

Did I hear correctly. When he talks of the forums and bloggers. He says we have a voice a high profile voice, almost as though that cannot be allowed and he is surprised.
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IMO that is where the problem is for Pinky. The British press have been bought and paid for and print what the the Pink Porker wants or spins. He never bargained on the blogs and their impact, how they cross borders and cannot be bought. I would say that they have more of an impact than the tabloids and the blogs and the net is an area he has been unable to control, despite his trolls and opinion shapers. In Pinky's world one believes what one is fed via the tabloids and its the few who are priviledged to the truth. They can try and stop Amaral's book but its contents will out via the net or where ever. Pinky is of the old school tabloid hack probably does not even know how to use a computer. Its 2008 Pinky get real and nobody is that important not even the McCanns who are trying desperately to stay in the public eye despite weak protestations, famous for what, not looking after their children, a great honour .......well done.

docmac said...

Zodiac

You are certainly finding your voice! Thanks for your strongly-worded riposte to CM. I saw the link earlier on but I couldn't bear much of it. Hopefully he will read it :-) Who exactly was the woman being interviewed?

Claudia, I know exactly who you mean.

Bit busy right now..

Wizard said...

Good idea Zodiac about the book club discussion. Hope the book will be published in English soon.

I was just looking at the 13 points of blood splatter found on the wall and under the tiles in apartment 5A. Surely it is very unlikely to have been caused by a minor cut there seems to be too much of it. One of the settees was pushed against the wall covering from sight a lot of the splatter. The settee seems out of place to me I don’t know what others think.

bath theory said...

Hi Joe
A month ago on Radio 5 an interview occured with a PR guru who has written a book about the history of PR. I made notes to put on here but lost the paper. It was fascinating for me as I worked in the area of Sales promotion, marketing, pr many moons ago. He was explaining the nitty gritty of making people believe your point of view and talked about dressing up opinions as facts. Indeed this point he mentioned several times along with mentioning with money virtually anything is possible

Basically he concluded that the only area that was now too difficult to control was the internet and good for him as he then went on to say that it was the one area where the truth came out. Which is what we know. However, he said because many people also have cranky views and ideas etc he mentioned the facts and truth can often be hard to spot due to that. Yet, he made the point that the internet is the one area where PR people cannot control.

Joe said...

Hi BT,

So far that has been the case for Pinky and the McCanns. If it was not for the net we would all have gone along with what was spun out via the tabs and gasp with shock and horror those nasty abductors etc. The net is live thats the difference, a newspaper article is old news by the time its read and one cannot easily discusss or argue with the writer, on the net we can and share ideas and theories. Long may it last.

docmac said...

Oh, lol!

Look at this!

Note there's no opportunity for GA or anyone else to respond? Rosiepops is seriously full of herself now.

docmac said...

Anonymous said...

Big_L on the 3 Arguidos asks:

"JUST WHO HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE ???????

Actually acccording to the number of question marks, he asks it seven times, so I will give him seven answers.

1) The Abductors have something to hide.
2) The PJ has something to hide.
3) Goncalo Amaral has something to hide
4) The Portuguese government has something to hide.
5) Someone or some people who live in Praia da Luz, have something to hide.
6) Docmac has something to hide.
7) Paulo Reis has something to hide. (He has a poor memory)

28 August 2008 11:27

Why is it only me who deserves the bold type? My word!

Cláudia said...

Doc, you're becoming important!!! Bold, uh? :-)
You famous, important sex machine (I just wanted to include this bit because I know some of them get very anxious, jumpy and nervous everytime anyone mentions sex. Remembering old times, it seems!) :-)

docmac said...

mark55 said...

Docnot and the barmy bath person have concluded that a 3 year old would not survive a paedophile abduction . Wrong again . A recent article in the Telegraph (they obviously only read the comics )
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2618279/Girl-attacked-by-paedophile-awarded-lousy-compensation.html

The McCanns refuse to accept that Maddie is dead until they have proof , quite a reasonable position to take . The dog's evidence is not proof . I wont explain why , they wouldn't understand .


28 August 2008 15:50

Selective posting. A 3 year old would not survive repeated rapes by an adult male. Stick to the oral area, Mark. It's what you say you're good at.

The dog's [sic] evidence is not proof . [sic] I wont [sic] explain why , [sic] they wouldn't understand . [sic]

I do hope there are better educated dentists in the UK.

docmac said...

Claudia, lol!!

Do you know, it seems one of them took my joke seriously and actually said they asked a solar panel salesman if solar-powered sex machines really exist? Unless they had had a large Jane and tonic, it appeared they may have been serious! Maybe they needed one, who knows?

docmac said...

BTW Claudia

If I deserve bold type instead of the "Abductors", their story has just fallen apart, has it not?

Cláudia said...

Doc, as for the solar-powered sex machines, I don't doubt some have tried to find out if they really do exist. For some, it is kind of a touchy subject. Everytime it is mentioned, they react quite strongly.

Regarding you deserving bold instead of the abductor(s), that's because they are sure YOU exist! LOL

Cláudia said...

Another family they could support by creating a blog:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4455978.ece

Cláudia said...

Also deserve a support blog

docmac said...

Claudia

I have always thought these people are a bit dense. They just keep on showing it too.

Goodnight x.

Cláudia said...

A bit dense? You generous solar-powered sex machine soul. :-)

Boa noite e dorme bem.

docmac said...

Yeah, Claudia

They were 'top-notch' people as well. Just shows you eh?

xx

bath theory said...

Actually I quite like being called the barmy bath person.

As someone who has put Madeleine first right from day one this means I am doing something right otherwise they would not insult me. It is perfectly possible these parents were involved in a heinous odious crime committed against their eldest child - a 3yr old. Why would anyone in a civilised society just stand back and allow words to be believed without challenge. A legal system requires a high degree of proof and evidence etc but the ETHER of the common man rests quite comfortably on the shoulders of ethics, morality and common sense. A court room sems the right place to take this investiagtion deeper - any child who vanishes in such dubious circumstances is owed that surely.

bath theory said...

Hi Doc
Will reply your e-mail tomorrow. thanks for that top secret info - very enlightening and something which will in time be proven correct.

Cláudia said...

They're all top-notch, responsible people, Doc. They just happen to forget about their children, that's all. Small details.

Unknown said...

Hiya darling

"They're very responsible and organised, top-notch people. Apparently each one relied on the other and this is what happened"


Well this is exactly what happens with Kate and Gerry, they each rely upon the other, just like Rosie used to rely upon shopkeepers to hang on to her baby until she remembered where she left it. Leaving it seems to be the common denominator of such ahem, parents.


xxxxxxx

Unknown said...

Additionally of course by linking behaviour that is bound to get in the press and with such a remarkable similarity to the Home Alone film, this is a very good way of being even more top notched or indeed, rich and famous x

I am sure this is the way Kate and Gerry support other, always keeping that great and ultimate aim in their sights. Kids are just expendable after all!

bath theory said...

It is a s easy to count 6 as it is 7 thus the israeli parents were negligent. simple as

bath theory said...

link from McCann files is interesting

http://www.portugalresident.com/portugalresident/showstory.asp?ID=28973

Cláudia said...

Viv, that story is so unbelievable to me, that it certainly works better as a film script.

Unknown said...

Hiya BT and thanks for that.

Whilst it is no surprise to learn that the McCanns dumped their children in the creche for the maximum number of hours from 9 am every single day, it is interesting to read that in contrast other members of their group did not do so, only using the facility in the mornings.

The picture at the top of this thread where the rest of the Tapas are together enjoying a family occasion WITH THEIR CHILDREN again demonstrates that the McCanns did not integrate that well with the rest of the group. It would seem what set them apart was the fact they never wanted to be with their children. Kate said "we were so into our friends" going on to state that if they had holidayed alone this regime of leaving them every night would not have happened. So she is actually trying to attach the blame for her own neglect, day and night of her childrren, on her friends who it would seem actually did have far more interest in their children. Criminals will always try to re-allocate the blame away from themselves but she convinces no one.

The other thing that concerns me about this report is Gerry feeling the need to describe Maddie in the exact opposite way to the nanny. What Gerry is describing below is a very normal well balanced little girl who has never suffered any trauma, so she has an "extroverted personality" but not according to the nanny she is shyest little girl in the nursery. I wonder what is going on here, is he trying to cover up what Madeleine was really like or is he trying to say, she is my child, she is like me, she is extoverted. Clearly Maddie looks like Kate but Kate is shy or so she tells us! Maybe it is a bit of both, but I am sure the nanny would be perfectly capable of giving an honest assessment of a child's personality traits.

Unknown said...

Madeleine was described by Gerry as being an extrovert, very active and having happy relationships with other children. She would never go with a stranger and he states clearly that she was not taking any medication.

In a statement made by one of the nannies working at the Ocean Club, Madeleine was described as being a calm, beautiful and happy child.

However, she was portrayed as being more shy than the other children at the kids club.

Cláudia said...

Slee well, all.
Boa noite e beijinhos, querida Viv.

Unknown said...

Muitos beijihos e abracos querida Claudia

Dorme bem

luv vivxxxxxxx

Doc you solar powered sex machine I suppose you will be up all night zzzzzzzz

docmac said...

Hi Viv

'Take the dog for a last wee' time :-)

As someone on the other side is so fond of saying:

"There is something very wrong here.
"What is really going on?
"Someone has a lot of explaining to do."

Lardy-jogger must be hiding something. That's the sort of reasoning I have come to expect in this case by now.

Nite x.

Wizard said...

Hi Viv,

Was just reading your 12.17am post today. I was interested in your observation that Gerry described Madeleine as being extrovert and the Ocean Club nanny reports her being exactly the opposite, quiet and shy. Who’s lying or are they both telling the truth?

I believe they could both be telling the truth. I have often wondering when Kate tells us Madeleine was difficult and hyper active - could Madeleine have an undiagnosed high performing autistic spectrum disorder? Apologies I know this has been discussed before and a bit of an old chestnut but this disorder could well be described by an unqualified person, who did not pick up on the subtle cues, as being shy especially when the child was not in familiar surroundings, hence the nannies comments. But equally when the child was around familiar people or places she would be relaxed and could be herself and her behaviour could become very challenging. Again an unqualified person like Gerry might describe this as being extrovert.

At the time of Madeleine’s disappearance she would have been too young for a diagnosis but the traits appear to be there. This behaviour would be very challenging to anybody and no more so than someone who was trying to cope with two other young children especially if they were in a rush to settle them down for the night so they could leave them to go out with friends. Infinite patience would be needed and I very much doubt if this was in plentiful supply in apartment 5a.

My personal belief is Madeleine’s disappearance is linked strongly to this and someone who was caring for her not being able to cope and becoming stressed or angry.

Just another theory - or is it?

Ecolab said...

Just came across this one:

the tire-well

Wizard said...

Good Morning Ecolab,

I'm surprised at you isn't that what everyone carries around in the tyre well of their car? lol

hope4truth said...

Morning ALL

Just been reading back I was out last night and am now late for a meeting (so have put back until 10) whoops...

Some intresting points re the book and Sueing anyone who dares to not believe them...

Kate and Gerry will not take responisbility for the discusting neglect of their 3 children they have blamed everyone else for Madeleines disapearence whilst still lying and saying they ate 50 yards away.

Any normal parent would be racked with guilt for leaving their child alone.

Any normal parent would not sleep soundly a few days after they have told the world that their daughter is in the hands of a peadophile ring.

Any normal parent would be worried about releasing a picture of their dagughters eye and although a good marketing tool would still be worried it may cost her life.

Any normal parent would answer any question asked by the investigating police .

The fact they are not normal and seem more intrested in suing anyone who dares to not agree with them and have evidence enough to write a book showing through all their lies (Let's face it pro or anti t is bloody obvious GA and his publisher will have had lawyers pour over his book to make sure it is printable)...

SO let them sue I am sure GA would relish the chance to get them in a court room.

It is discusting that Madeleine McCann has not been given the respect she deserves. The papers are so full of comments like Madeleine now 5 years old it is discusting. There is Cadavar evidence fromt he apartment there have been no sightings of her for over a year she never got a chance to celebrate her 4th Birthday yet alone her 5th. Mummy and Daddy though had a great time on their daughters 4th Birthday happy smiling living the celeb lifestyle not a care in the world and I belive it is pictures of these many happy joyus occasions that will show them for what they are.

Madeleine McCann 3 years old Neglected and turned into a Marketing Campaign to raise money. Parents who tell the world she is in the hands of evil peadiophiles then say there is no reason to belive she has been harmed (big question from me on that one what do they belive padophiles are in their mind are they good people?)spin spin spin...

Social Services the British Police and the British Press should hang their heads in shame Gerry and Kate are not the Victims Madeleine is and no one wants to speak for her investigate on her behalf or print the fact that her Mother cared so little for her child she would not even answer questions that may have helped find her without spinning it to Kate's advantage.

If a 3 year old child does not deserve the truth then god help every neglected and abused child in our country because no one will help any of them.

bath theory said...

Hi Hope4truth
Absolutely spot on

The deviants in our midst base actions on control and the retention of control. Those who seek justice and fairness in our society get trod on, ridiculed and abused.

It is clear to all except their tight circle of friends & family that CONTROL is something GM just has to have. Actions based on such a level of control can gain rewards materially and socially but they do not massage and nurture the soul.

bath theory said...

Madeleine had no chance in my opinion. Left alone night after night. Soemthing was going to happen and it did.

docmac said...

New thread required, Viv.

How about the very interesting initial statements of MO, JT and FP? Nowhere in those does it say any of them saw Madeleine on the 3rd. They also disagree about who was where when the alarm was raised ;-) They look rehearsed to me and some must have 'forgotten their lines'. Granted, it was a rush job and alcohol was involved..

Plenty more to chew on too. Ooh, Can't wait for more!

bath theory said...

Doc - I am currently watching Quincy from the 1980's and it is great watching it, reminds me of my youth and things like Starsky & Hutch etc. He is Dr and a LA medical examiner.

A quote just now from the big chief said to Quincy '... if you are dirty you get outside help.'

Who do we know has surrounded themselves with outside help from minute one?

Anonymous said...

'Who exactly was the woman being interviewed?'

Docmac,

The woman was K's aunt who is married to K's mums brother Brian Kennedy. Janet is her name, I think.

'They look rehearsed to me and some must have 'forgotten their lines'. Granted, it was a rush job and alcohol was involved..'

I agree. So many mistakes on that holiday and inconsistencies yet K was on the ball when it came to the online shop she had ordered (before her daughter went missing) to be delivered for their return home. It really impressed her Auntie that K thought, what about our grocery shop, no one will be there when they deliver it. Mmmm...wonder if she had it refunded onto a credit card?

PS. Thought I would let you all no someone has tried to access my computer. Fortunately the security we have blocked it. Or am I just being parnoid?

Anonymous said...

tried to access/hack

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, before I went on holiday I had half a dozen of such attempts.

docmac said...

BT

Quincy, lol! We had to watch it dubbed into Afrikaans! I don't know if it was ever shown in English here.

Zodiac

Thanks for the info. You are probably being paranoid :-)


To come back to the alcohol; there have been some threads mentioning and championing the fact that there were only 2 bottles of wine on the bill for the evening of the 3rd. I fear this is yet again a good example of someone trying to pull the wool over others' eyes. Well, I'm not that gullible!

1: We are not informed as to what was consumed earlier in the afternoon.
2: The other 7 were enjoying themselves in the Paraiso before going to the Tapas bar.
3: Gerry himself said that after tennis he enjoyed a beer in the apartment and then shared a bottle of wine with Kate.
4: The whole party were on HALF- BOARD. Local wine is INCLUDED in the deal at dinner - at ALL Mark Warner resorts.
5: The two bottles on the bill were probably the New Zealand wine that has been mentioned and were undoubtedly purchased in ADDITION to the free grog.


PERSONAL MESSAGE TO ALL THE T9: See this excerpt from a review by another MW guest:

"The evening drop off service, where you leave your child if they are asleep with the trained staff so you can go off and have your dinner was invaluable, it didn't work every night so the fact that you can go down to any of the restaurants and get your whole meal on a tray (including wine!) and bring it back to your room was brilliant."

You were, however, more 'into each other' than is desirable for parents on holiday with young kids. Shame on all of you, including the granny and those that excuse your shameful parenting techniques and values.

Anonymous said...

"The evening drop off service, where you leave your child if they are asleep with the trained staff so you can go off and have your dinner was invaluable, it didn't work every night so the fact that you can go down to any of the restaurants and get your whole meal on a tray (including wine!) and bring it back to your room was brilliant."


Docmac,

'You are probably being paranoid :-)'


Your comment is hurtful, unhelpful and I hope you have wholly innocent explanation for hurting my feelings. Sniff...sniff!



You would think that the Dr and his OH who left the sick child would have used that service if they were so hungry and just had to eat. They could have sat on their terrace and ate whilst their sick child slept (and as it was like eating in their back garden they could have chatted to their friends in the Tapas Bar from there) and if said child woke up it would not see or smell the food. Wonder if that sick child cried for mummy and daddy just like it's little friends did on a previous evening.


From JT's statement:

'15 to 20 minutes later, Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left to go and see the children. As their daughter **** wasn't well, and she was crying, Russell stayed in the room.

Matthew informed the interviewee that Russell was staying in the room. (1) After quickly eating the main course, the worried interviewee went to take her husband's place in the apartment (1) so that the latter could eat.

Anonymous said...

'Matthew informed the interviewee that Russell was staying in the room. (1) After quickly eating the main course, the worried interviewee went to take her husband's place in the apartment (1) so that the latter could eat.'

Forgot to add.

See she had her priorties in the right place. Slurp...scoff...scoff...slurp....slurp...burp..then check on my sick precious little Angel...parp....parp on the way back to the apt...well rushing your dindins can give you wind!

docmac said...

Zodiac

Why did they not ALL eat on the terrace of one of the apartments EVERY night? The answewr is simple. Refilling their glasses would be much more work than not doing checks on the children..

docmac said...

Oops, hit the 'ew'.

bath theory said...

The point is why have the party 'stuck' together.

bath theory said...

What is the reason or indeed motive for this?

bath theory said...

The one who left on a private jet holds the key me thinks. Someone or something has a hold over the group as a whole in my opinion.

docmac said...

You mean someone who is after some lucrative and thus-far shelved (not cancelled) NHS building contracts perchance?

Are you suggesting he was doing a bit of double glazing in a roomful of people, most of whom were born in the swinging 60s or very shortly thereafter??

Di said...

Good evening all

BT..

The one who left on the private jet holds the key!!

This is something I am surprised has not been discussed more. Is it true or forum myth?? I personally think it is true.

The other thing I find odd are the comments in Fiona Payne's statement to the PJ.

After Kate last checked on the children Fiona says, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even and announced Madeleine has disappeard.....

Well sorry, if I had gone into my childs bedroom and found one of my children missing I would be screaming from the rooftops and searching until I dropped.

Frightened very jumpy, panicked even. Those are Fiona Paynes words.

Frightened, jumpy, panicked, yes!! about being caught out with their lie. IMO.

Di said...

Hi Doc


Why did they not eat on the terrace of the apartments each night!!

They would not have been able to get their free quota of wine :o)))

docmac said...

Here is another one for you if you are on later, Claudia. Vicar? Been doing this for years? Throw the key away.

docmac said...

Hi Di

No, they would have. As I alluded to earlier they would have got up to go and fetch it though. All the more reason to believe they would not have bothered with the checks IMO. In fact, it's not just MO.

docmac said...

'Would have had to get up to go...'!

docmac said...

"After Kate last checked on the children Fiona says, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even and announced Madeleine has disappeard....."

Funny that. JT says she was in her apartment and FP was with Kate when she raised the alarm from outside 5A. FP says she was at the table at the Tapas bar. MO says that everyone other than KM was at the table.

Next statement, please ;-)))

Di said...

Doc.. LOL

Exactly, as I said the other night I can't wait for the film:o))

You could not make it up could you LOL..

Di said...

For thoe who hve not read Fiona Payne's statement..

It is in two halves from 3A's..
translated by Primavera




Before publishing Fiona Payne's statements, it seemed interesting to us to digress a little. Following lots of questions received by e-mail, we are going to try to reply to some of them. First of all, you should bear in mind that I wasn't there during the interviews and that there is nothing in the written report that clarifies how certain questions were formulated or what those questions were.

Except occasionally where it says: "Following our question the interviewee says....." However, typical interviews like these - let's not forget that they are interviews in the context of the disappearance of a child - are often done within the same framework. The inspectors have to pose various, "open," questions to the interviewee. These questions were probably the following (This is speculation, but based on extensive experience, it is highly likely that this speculation is accurate):

* How long have you been in Portugal and how did you get here?
* For how long have you known the child's parents?
* How has the holiday been going?
* How did the day of May 3rd develop?
* How did the evening of May 3rd develop?
* What was the attitude of the parents towards their children and particularly with the missing girl?
* Did you notice anything unusual?
* What is Madeleine like? (Personality traits)
* Was she ill? Was she taking any medication?

It is logical to imagine that this was the framework on which the PJ based these interviews. The open question technique is the only valid one in an interview. An example being worth more than a thousand words, here is an example of a closed question: "Was the suspect's car green?" That is a closed question, not allowed during an interview because it influences the witness in their response. By contrast, the following open question: "What colour was the suspect's car?" is totally admissible because the witness is not influenced by it.

Going back to Fiona's interview, it was recorded on May 4th 2007 at 7.20pm by an inspector from the 4th DIC brigade.

On the subject in hand we note that:

The interviewee was heard as a witness belonging to the group who came to Portugal with the young child Madeleine. She (editor's note: Fiona) is married to David who is also on the trip. She has known the child's parents for around seven years. She met Kate while they were working together and she was already a friend when she met her future husband, David. The McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine nearly four years. The interviewee has two children, who are respectively 1 and 2 years old. The idea to come to Portugal came from her husband, David, who had already been to Portugal eleven years before.


(..Continuing!)

Di said...

The second half


Here is the rest of it, bjr, complete with my comment at the end!

They arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12 noon, coming from Leicestershire via Faro and finally to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club, they traveled in an airport mini-bus. After checking in, they were placed in apartment G5H with her whole family (Husband, mother and two children).

The routines.

Concerning what they usually do, the interviewee says that in the morning, after breakfast, which they have as a family in the bar at a club at around 8.15/8.30, they place their children in one of the complex's crèches, in different sections. In the afternoon, their children take a nap, while she and her husband stay in the apartment. At around 3.30/4pm, the nap over, they all go to the swimming pool or to the tennis courts where the interviewee stays with her children and her husband until 6/7pm. Then, they go back to the apartment, bathe the children, put them to bed and go to join the rest of the group for the adults' dinner, at the "Tapas," restaurant situated near the club.

Dinner

During dinner, the interviewee and her husband never went to their apartment to check that the children were ok because they would have heard the slightest noise, or any crying in the bedroom thanks to a, "Baby Monitoring," type intercom. Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed. Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane. They arrived there at around 3.45pm and came back around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 7pm. Then the interviewee went to her apartment with her children and her mother. In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 8pm. Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 8.45pm, accompanied by her mother and her husband to go to the "Tapas," restaurant to join the rest of the group. TheMcCann couple were amongst the members of the group at dinner.

The interviewee states that Kate and Gerry, as well as other couples, went to the club a few times, at regular intervals, to make sure the children were ok. During one of these checks, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even, and she announced that Madeleine had disappeared.

Search groups were immediately organised, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding there, then outside, without success, even with the help of employees. Then given Kate's state of anxiety, the interviewee decided to stay with her to lend her support.

The interviewee has never been in Madeleine's family's apartment.

Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep.

Concerning what Jane said, the latter only said she saw a person with a child in his arms but she didn't know if it was Madeleine.

During the holiday, the interviewee noticed nothing unusual. She has nothing else to add.

After reading, together with the interpreter, who explains the contents to her, she goes on and signs the deed.


Enfants Kidnappés

Comment: I don't understand why anyone would want to go to the trouble of air travel, and what that entails, and long journeys with small children, to go to a country like Portugal, and then hardly set foot outside a holiday complex. I'm sure there must be similar holiday complexes in the UK, if what they want to do is dump the kids in a crèche then play various sports. They might as well be anywhere!

When I travel...well, actually, I have never been on a package holiday...I like to explore the place or the country I am in. That's why my family would be booking a cottage, a villa, or an apartment, giving the freedom to be out and about, seeing the scenery, visiting places of interest, even just visiting different beaches and exploring that coastal town.

Who wants to travel to an obviously beautiful country like Portugal and not explore the country a little? And in Portugal, drink New Zealand wine? Why? Why not try the produce of the local vineyards? That's what I do on holiday abroad.

The McCanns and their friends are an obviously intelligent bunch of people, but they display Butlin's behaviour! They travel to Portugal, play tennis on the club's courts, jog on the beach, eat regularly at the club's restaurant and don't get out there to see what the country has to offer? They should've gone to Butlin's!!!

Di said...

Sorry for typos in my first comment.

docmac said...

Di said...
Doc.. LOL

Exactly, as I said the other night I can't wait for the film:o))

You could not make it up could you LOL..


Do you think they would hire any of us as 'consultants'? :-)))

Di said...

Doc

I am more than happy to be prop sitting at the tappas bar every night drinking wine..Hic Hic :o))) minus my laptop of course :o(((

Di said...

a prop

docmac said...

Di

Will you be taking any kids or Kennedys with you? There are expenses and sponsorship opportunities to be considered here.

Di said...

Doc

Don't worry I am already ahead of you.

I have contacted Sky, a must in these situations, but also Hello and OK magazine, they are both very interested in this case.

They can't decide though, do they sponser New Zealand Wine or house white.. IMO of course.....

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Di said...

BT

Are you watching the footy??

I bet you are :o))

bath theory said...

Sorry, the children were difficult to put to bed tonight so had to go back to them and read some more.

What is interesting Di is that Fiona Payne (if I read it correctly) has said in her official statement that she was jogging on the beach between 7.00pm and 8.00pm the evening Madeleine disappeared. If the rumours about them changing their story are true then it could be this hour that got 'revised'. The police have publically stated that this was within the crucial timings of that night and lets be honest who would go for a run at that time on the last night of your holiday. It may be true but I think this hour between 7.00 and 8.00pm where she says she was jogging on the beach could be extremely significant. Where was she if it was not the beach?

docmac said...

"That week in Praia da Luz, the week the McCanns were made suspects in their own daughter’s “death”, I was out there talking to them and to family and friends."

Please all, go and read this article again.

This gentleman claims to have obtained this information from those closest to the action. If you read it over and again, you will see the lies that have been told, the stories that have been changed. It's very well worth revisiting. May even be worth Viv picking through it and exposing the inconsistencies.

Just remember, the pros absolutely LOVED this article!

I have already anticipated the other side's response to this post and will respond in kind if needs be :-))

Di said...

Don't apologise BT you are a responsible parent :o))

Probably just me but one of the things I cannot understand in Fiona Paynes statement is this...

They went to the beach at 3.45pm, they left at 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 7pm. They then left to bath the children and put them to bed.

When did the children eat?

And why? was Fiona jogging on the beach whilst the children were being put to bed? something I would never have done.

No matter what, I or my hubby always read a bedtime story to our children and do you know what! they are now 29 and 25 and they have never forgotten that we were there for them, they even remember the stories my hubby used to make up. I am happy to say they have such fun memories and always talk of their happy childhood.

docmac said...

Hi BT

I see you were incorrect in your footer prediction as regards LFC. As you well know never, ever bet against LFC when it comes to the Champion's League :-))

Well done to The Arse, BTW. Some very, very nice football from them. Got doubts about their long-term prospects this season unless they make a couple of signings in the next few days, but I do enjoy watching them play. I wouldn't mind their manager either!

docmac said...

They did eat, Di. There's a picture of them in the Oaraiso at the top of this thread. Note the time. Note the lies...

docmac said...

My typing is not great today either :-))))

hope4truth said...

Hello All

I am being a bit picky but the below.....

"In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 8pm. Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 8.45pm,"

She went jogging and back to the apartment at 8 did a few household chores then went out at 8.45 she must have stunk to high heaven after jogging and not having a shower... This woman is on holiday and after jogging did not shower or wash her hair dry her hair or put on make up and try a couple of outfits on??? 45 minutes is not a lot of time to get ready to go out. And when I get back from jogging after a few stretches I drink a pint of water and relax for 10 minutes before getting in a very cool shower...

Di said...

Sorry Doc

I did not realise that was the same evening, slapped wrists!!

The article you have put up Doc..

One comment stood out !!

They reflected over a bottle of wine, how surprisingly easy it had been with the children during their holiday..

Of course it was!! they spent most of their time in the creche!!

Di said...

Hi Hope

No you are not being picky.

I have never known people like this on holiday before wanting to jog all the time, it is beyond me. Kate and Gerry were even jogging when it was really hot. I wonder why??

Perhaps to have private words away from cameras etc., imo..

Off now to spend some time with hubby.

See you all tomorrow.

hope4truth said...

Hi DI Bye DI have a nice evening xxx

docmac said...

Di, I especially like this bit:

"Jane Tanner, too, would be accused of fabricating or misremembering her sighting of this stranger with a child. There could be no answer to such an accusation – except that she was an ordinary, honest person who knew what she had seen. Sometime after 10pm, Rachael Oldfield would go to Jane’s apartment to tell her Madeleine had been taken and Jane would say: “Oh my God. I saw a man carrying a girl.”"

The first part is just laughable. Then it becomes absurd. The OFFICIAL statements say (so far)

-Jane was not in her apartment
-Jane was in her apartment
-Jane heard Kate scream and Fiona was with her
-Fiona never went to 5A at all
-Jane was at the table
-Fiona was at the table

Bunch of liars. I said in October 2007 JT is the weakest link. I still believe that. But they are all weak links now, are they not?

Someone in the AG office and/or a high-ranking non-officer connected to the PJ in Portugal took a bribe, a BIG bribe. Sorry, Claudia but I think it's true. IMO.

From whom???

bath theory said...

Docmac I was incorrect by about 2 minutes you lucky blighters. Arsenal do not have a big enough squad and have a Captain who is not a captain thus even if we get close for anything this year we will probably falter.

I have made a resolution not to go this year. Wenger's weakness is Benitez's strength ie at the top level he makes dodgy strategic substituions whereas Rafa is very good in that area. Oh well it is just a game and not very important at that.

What is important is 3 yr old girls suddenly disappearing into thin air and mass inconsistencies in everyone's stories not leading to the courtroom whereby scrutiny and direct probing can occur.

As a former casual marathon runner I am bloody amazed at all these drunken marathon runners in PDL at the same time and all seeing nothing and all being sweaty with limited shower use. The next story we will hear is that the DNA found in the apartment had been picked up by their running shoes and appears all over the walls because the chidren threw them against the walls. As I said yesterday I feel the McScammers will implode and although I hesitate to put a time frame on it I believe the next 24 mths will be interesting.

docmac said...

‘Maddie. A verdade da mentira’

The best-selling non-fiction book in Portugal. Coming next? The UK?

Go lardyboy!! You can buy Rothley Manor at a discount to use as your press centre for the launch. There's a wonderful little memorial in the centre of the village too - makes a grat backdrop for the odd soundbite. Just don't wear pink. It clashes with EVERYTHING.

bath theory said...

More than that I feel they know that ultimately they are doomed and when you consciously realise that no matter how controlling you are there is a growing part within that starts to corrode.

bath theory said...

I am ker knackered tonight so will say bye and will e-mail you in morning Doc.

docmac said...

BT

Don't stand at Shankley's grave and repeat what you said :-) You're right, of course. It is only a game.

Yeah, those runners. One of whom breaks records going uphill with an Achilles injury... You will know how long those take to heal.

You owe me an e-mail mate.

docmac said...

Oh, OK. Just saw that. Sleep well.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I think the rat is higher and nothing to do with bribes. Quoting GA: there was a lot more politics than police.

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, all. Only slept 5 hours last night and I'm kind of sleepy.
Boa noite.

docmac said...

Claudia

I didn't say the bribe involved cash. And I did not want to say what you did at 23:08. Bribe is still the correct term in English IMO.

Cláudia said...

Doc, hmmm. Probably. I still think the strings were pulled quite high. I have to say that I always thought that politics is a very, very sordid world. Long before all this. I think I wasn't wrong.

As for the other article, my friend, the one about the vicar, yes, throw away the key. So it can never be found again.

docmac said...

Haha Claudia

Don't mention 'politics' to me. You know exactly what I mean :-)

Dorme bem!

Cláudia said...

Doc, :-)

xxxx

docmac said...

Goodnight all

And a special goodnight to Atardi and Dolores x.

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docmac said...

Oh, hang on...

Vile's Mole said... [first time the apostrophe has been used to my knowledge]

Docmac said replying to Rosiepops post about Dylan...

Excuse me? You actually know this woman? Judging by what I have read she is a great mom. Yes, she says she enjoys a very occasional drink. How does that make her irresponsible? She's not like that friend of yours that becomes totally incoherent after 11pm every night whilst not even knowing where her daughter is. You know, the one you defend as a good mother and all. Now that's a child I feel sorry for.

You are beneath contempt, mister. You are judgemental in the extreme about people you don't even know. You are also a serial fantasist and a liar. You don't deserve to be a parent or grandparent IMO. I most certainly would not let you near any of my kids, or anyone else's kids for that matter. Shame on you.

Saturday, 23 August 2008 15:48:00 o'clock BST

'She enjoys a very occasional drink'! My arse.

Who is the liar here?

You, me and all the others know that Dylan has had a problem for months.
Maybe I should dig out some old emails you sent around to refresh your memory?

VM

29 August 2008 23:34

Oh, go on then. I've heard this time and again. You are just like Rosiepops. Whatever you type and whatever you say must be the truth. Well put up or shut up now.


And to Mum21:

For once and for all, the very concept of 'justice for Madeleine' differs markedly depending on whether one believes she is alive or dead, and if dead by whose hand. As you know, I believe she is dead, as do most right-thinking people. You also know who I think is responsible. Kindly stop bleating about it. On the DE I thought you showed some degree of integrity. You have now been fully indoctrinated. Good luck to you.

docmac said...

In addition to my last post I should add that I have never mentioned anything remotely derogatory about Dylan in any e-mail that I have sent. In fact, I don't recall ever having mentioned her at all.

So, come on, VM, let's boogie. You see what liars you all are on that site now hey? Chimp.

docmac said...

Now we know where Notdoc gets all his medical information from said...

docmac said...
BT

Quincy, lol! We had to watch it dubbed into Afrikaans! I don't know if it was ever shown in English here

How come it never occured to any of us before?

hee hee hee

30 August 2008 00:05


Another one. Grown-up playground bullies. Not too good at it either. Oh my.

docmac said...

supertroll said...

Thanks for your comments. We should all celebrate. I also have it on good authority that those letters have been sent, but at the moment I can't comment any further.

Blah blah blah......

ST

30 July 2008 12:15



Is there some problem in England?

Is there a postal strike I have not heard of?

Are the lawyers incompetent?

Are there any lawyers at all?

Are there more washing machines in the laundry now?

I'm still waiting for my blooming letter.


It's been a month, for goodness' sake! Actually, it's been quite a bit longer ;-) It's not Christmas either. Tell them to get a move on.

docmac said...

Boa noite, goodnight to all.

Unknown said...

Bit late tonight!

Di, Jogging like all forms of physical exercise releases endorphins that make you feel less stressed and happier, better able to cope with anything at all. That is why I had a good swim this evening:-) Additonally and I suppose particularly from Gerry's point of view as a cardiologist, jogging reduces blood pressure and the resting heart beat.

But how typical really that the McCanns only think of themselves and how they can cope with the situation they found themselves in. As we know full well from Gerry's blog, how much THEY have suffered is their primary concern!


Additionally, with the hundreds of Portuguese Police that clearly were around, I guess they needed some way of relieving the stress they must have been under, given what they did and what they were doing. The evidence would seem to suggest that they did move Madeleine's body around which is certainly gruesome, cold and calculating. Someone else's body to a doctor may not be so heartbreaking, but what if it is your own child's? What if it is a child that you did not bond with, what if it is not even your child..what if you are one member of a team that comprise a particularly gruesome twosome. The result overall could be catestrophic but they philosophically sought to deal with the problems, particularly with Gerry as Wizard would say compartmentalising issues, dealing with them and packing them away. Trouble is skeletons can and do come back out of the cupboard..
Viv x

Unknown said...

ST: catastrophic:-))) Are you American?

docmac said...

VIV: Katestrophic:-))) Are you English?

docmac said...

Oh dear, just looked at ST's. Have you all seen the result of his latest poll? For those that do not visit there:

Posters naming children and giving personal details about them on a hate site where many posters indulge in discussing paedophilia, is this something that...

Should be reported to Social Services so that they can investigate why the parent is doing this - 15%

Is dangerous and very irresponsible behaviour on the part of the parent - 26%

Is not recommended, but probably OK - 55%

Is harmless, anti McCann hate sites are only populated by lovely characters such as teachers, probation officers, paediatricians and reformed former axe murderers who know best when it comes to child safety - 1%

Total votes - 52


COMMENT:

* What a truly embarrassing result for this blogger after all the pseudo hype.
* "Indulge" in discussing paedophilia? I do not want any of what you're on.
* Don't know who the 'reformed former axe murderers' are, but I will admit there are shopoholics, arthritics, pipe smokers, chimps, a genetically modified mole and at least 2 partially reformed cross-dressers on these sites.
* Is the band playing this weekend?
* Is it fun being single?

docmac said...

Has anyone noticed how quickly 'Kiwigirl' (you know, the one who 'knew' Kate in NZ and said what a fantastic person she was) disappeared once some facts started to emerge?

docmac said...

The northern hemisphere is busy or still asleep.

I'm off to 'recharge' my solar panel :-)))))

Have a good day.

hope4truth said...

Morning

I would not be here discussing Peadophillia if two British Parents had not neglected their children and then tried to convince the world she was in the hands of a peadophile ring.

She is in the hands of a peadophile ring but we have no reason to belive she has been harmed or some such crap came out of Gerry's mouth well I suggest if someone wants to find talking about Pedophillia offensive they start with him. If he thinks she wont have been harmed but is in the hands of these sick scum what does that say about his own take on peadophillia??? I am not sugesting he is a peadophile himself but how can the words not harmed and in the hands of a peadophile go together???

The sheer terror of any child in the hands of a lone peadophile is horrifying let alone a ring of lord knows how many of the sick scum enough to harm a child for life if they have been taken and the police do get there in time to save them from any abuse.

Sick the lot of them defend these neglecitng people if you must slag me off for the rest of time (even have a go because I am a good parent if it is all you have got)..

But I am not ashamed about discusing Peadophillia it is a sick disturbing and horrible subject I dont want to think about the details of what it involves but as the mother of two girls I have been aware since they were born that leaving them alone while I bugger off to the bar or leaving them with people I dont know from Adam is a very bad move as Peadophiles are so secrative they could be anywhere.

I would rather be over protective of my girls than click my tounge and say she was gone.... I have to let them out now or I would damage them but they are both highly trained kick boxers (and not for comptetition just for self defence) yet it is me that is scum for believing a group of people who thought less of their children than I do of my pets are pathetic.

The statements that are being translated dont add up they all differ they could not even learn their lines could they.

As for Kate and Gerry they had a grand old time judging by the photos and Kate could not even be bothered to answer the questions that if really missing may help bring her daughter home...

Call me what you like but I belive Madeleine McCann has been let down in the worst way by her parents and all of you who spin this away from her she was 3 years old and left alone and probebly much much worse....

bath theory said...

One of the things that proves to me how in it these lot are is the way they try to make it an anti-mccann or pro-mccann thing. I do not relate to that language at all. I am here and stay here for one reason. I am interested as to how a 3yr old vanishes. In such rarish circumstances it is usually a parent or very close friend who is responsible. Not always but usually. Thus given that I am keen to see these parents in court and answer questions relating to their words and evidence around this issue.

Now is that 'barmy' or 'stupid' -NO it is rational and logically. I live in the country and continent these two parents have been brought up in and wish the law of England & the EC to investigate this disappearance. Why because a lot of parents harm, abuse, emotionally disturb etc their children and a fair and correct judgemnet in this case needs to be seen to be carried out to help all such children who at this moment are at risk.

I was a volunteer for a very long time at a specialist London childrens hospital and saw many children try to cling to life with every sinew of their body and thus if a parent's eldest vanishes under such strange circumstances I am drawn instantly to the child and to the suffering they must have felt. Given the parents had neglected this girl in a strange room in a strange country in order to drink and meet their needs it is not such a big jumo to think they could have been involved especially when specialist cadaver dogs suggest it is so.

Also, in my first year of teaching I taught a reception class in Wimbledon. In that class a 4 yr girl was being abused by her grandfather and I was immersed into this dark side of the world. I had to deal with this poor little thing every day between 9.00am and 3.30pm. I felt this girl's emotion as I saw it unfold daily. Yes, I was an adult male with a kind soul having to look at her granddad drop her off to class even though he had a court order stopping him from going anywhere near her.

The McCann's have much to answer for and yet they literally sped away out of the country, they have managed to quickly network themselves right up to the prime minister and they continue this charade of blitzing newspapers with words that don't match their initial statements. The mother refuses to answer a huge amount of questions in a police station and they refuse to return for a reconstruction and yet I am meant to focus on them and not the 3yr old girl who vanished and whom the parents did not even bother looking for that first night.


To get involved by being a member of a group that is basically saying 'Things don't seem right here and can it please be fully investigated' is not harmful to anyone UNLESS you want all investigation and debate stifled and covered up.

hope4truth said...

Morning BT

Well said a 3 year old should be the focus and her parents shouuld be helping in any way they can if they believe she can be found.

x

nancy said...

Bath Theory -

An excellent post and something any right thinking person will most definitely agree with.


Docmac -

Rosiepops questions of GA!!

She has the nerve to state that everyone in PDL was looking for Madeleine that night - but fails to mention that her parents didn't give a t..s and just got on with their texting, phone calls, media planning etc in the apartment while everyone else did the job they should have been doing!
What a lot of c..p she writes and she actually believes it too!

When will they ever open their eyes on that site and stop seeing the world through rose coloured spectacles!!

I also read the long article by the Times reporter - I wonder if he's had a change of mind since he wrote that sycophantic claptrap! The head whirls with all the discrepancies in their stories - I think we should just take the PJ's evidence as bona fide and take all the other stuff thrown up with a pinch of salt!

docmac said...

by calcite51 on Aug28, 2008 6:16am

I don't see the purpose of bringing this subject up - 24 Horas is a rag. We all know Madeleine was conceived by artificial insemination (as were the twins). Who in their right mind, would not say that errors (rare they may be but they do happen) may have resulted in Gerry NOT being the 'natural' father?? Hospitals have made numerous errors - wrong children given to the wrong parents, etc... Gerry, in every other sense of the word is Madeleine's father - end of story. I have seen the love this man has for his children and that is one item I would NEVER, EVER question.

Oops! Were Kate and Gerry in Canada recently?

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

You are quite correct about RP. I've just been to the pink place for the first time in a while. The ridiculous efforts at spinning the news are really laughable now. There are some really thick people on there.

BT

Well said.

Cláudia said...

Good morning, all.
Doc, I'm PMSL at the poll results! LOL How embarassing. The funny part is that the options offered all had a negative touch to them (certainly to avoid surprises), but even so, the least negative option won! LOL Oh my, does she have a colony of moles?:-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, I haven't been to the pink sewer since I came back from my holiday. Kate's kiwi disappeared?

docmac said...

This is such a lot of complete and utter b******s, paternity can be proved within a small percentage, this result would be exactly the same for the twins.

Today's DNA tests are so sophisticated
[:-)))))] that they deal with the probability of fatherhood in terms approaching absolute certainty.

If test had shown otherwise for Madeleine and Gerry, then this would have been known by now and it would have been in that fat idiot's book, because he would have known about it.

These tests obviously show that Gerry is most probably the father and having shown that then the DNA tests showing he isn't are one in several hundred million!
[What are the odds if the test is done by the FSS?]

This disgusting and odious paper 24 Horas have obviously used the concept that Gerry may not be Madeleine's father on the proviso that there may be a several hundred million to one chance that he isn't.

Actually this would apply to each and every single one of us, *including* Madeleine's twin siblings as no one can say 100%, we can only say with "almost absolute certainty".

This is despicable and spurious reporting and it shows to what level the Portuguese press are going to sink to save their own odious lying thick headed faces and that of several fat ex members of the PJ.

Now does it surprise anyone with a modicum of intelligence that those thick headed dullards on Vile's cannot grasp the context of this stupid duplicitous report from 24 Horas? The fact that they are even giving it head room shows how stupid and how eaten up with malicious spite and bitterness they actually are.

They just cannot understand that the Kate and Gerry are wholly innocent
[ahem, they have been exonerated by the Portuguese Attorney General [ahem], there is no evidence of their guilt [ahem], not even on *purposeful* neglect. They cling to any matchstick in the ocean, they listen avidly to that stupid pretendy solicitor woman and the sinister pretendy doc [incoming!], and take the words of these *PROVEN* liars [ahem] as some sort of gospel according to the snot green blog from hell and they latch on to anything and anyone that says the McCanns may be guilty, no matter how slender the chance or how utterly ludicrous it is.

This shows far more about the obvious inferior complexes of those people, it shows whopping great personality defects in their characters. Those idiots on that blog go on air daily to demonstrate their own ineffectualness
[ahem - are you Hillary Clinton's cousin's stupid second cousin? and inability to function as whole compassionate people.

What a dreadful state to allow themselves to get into and how low are they next going to stoop in their never ending quest to make two people's lives as hellish as they possibly can?
[ahem, we didn't start this].

it is past time those people woke up and realised just what it is they are doing and try to examine and amend the electronic footprint [lololol!! You're a writer?] of hate, jealousy and venom they are leaving for anyone in their family, who in the future tries to trace their ancestors.

God what an awful and despicable and depraved lunatic legacy these people are leaving, do they really want their family to see them like this? It is shocking!


Yes *Rosiepops*, my children *will* be *proud* of me for standing up *against* child neglecters, *abusers* and paedophiles*.*


*PS*: You are *obsessed* with *fat*. I do sympathise with your problem. Get a family member to call an ambulance to take you to the nearest *get over your fat phobia* centre.

docmac said...

Hi Claudia

It would be appreciated if you had said "Good morning, all minus one. Good afternoon to that one."

:-)))

docmac said...

BTW, Rosiepiphead

"But the difference between Madeline and Shanon..."

How come you still can't spell Margaret or Shania?

Cláudia said...

Doc, sorry. Good afternoon.
Wow, Poophead was pissed off! :-) Good! :-)
Tha fat thing, do you think it's because of the lady the size of a lorry, Auntie Phil?
Do you think they only forgot their children outside shops, or is it something they repeat with the grandkids? You know, so they can all laugh about it later?

docmac said...

"Drachen I gave you credit for been an educated person which obvously shows with the way you write and your wording "Soliciter I think Maybe".

I am not trying to dismiss any of your research of findings, But I would love to know what your personal feelings are on the matter as a human being whilst leaving all your research behind.

Do you
realy considder the children that Amber Alert found to be irelivant and unimportant?.

Because as a
farther I couldnt possibly have that sort in unkind thought.


Hi Alroy!!! We've missed you!!

docmac said...

Claudia

That stupid b*tch would call Ronaldo fat if she were not a ManU supporter. Not that she has any time for football, mind you.

docmac said...

I don't know what they do with their grandchildren, but they are not coming within 10000km of mine (when they arrive). We know this, because they would not dare to venture into Africa. It's a "dark continent" with tents, you know ;-)

docmac said...
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Cláudia said...

Doc, exactly, too dangerous. Filled with people who aren't blonde and haven't got blue eyes. Even more suspicious than the swarthy people in the Algarve! :-)

docmac said...

Oh wow, please check out Rosie's very long-winded post about me on ST's blog. lololol!!!

I'm actually starting to think 'she' may be 'somebody's' rent boy :-))))

Cláudia said...

docmac said...
"Drachen I gave you credit for been an educated person which obvously shows with the way you write and your wording "Soliciter I think Maybe".

I am not trying to dismiss any of your research of findings, But I would love to know what your personal feelings are on the matter as a human being whilst leaving all your research behind.

Do you realy considder the children that Amber Alert found to be irelivant and unimportant?.

Because as a farther I couldnt possibly have that sort in unkind thought.


Hi Alroy!!! We've missed you!!
----------------------------------------------------------------

LOLOLOLOL
PMSL hewre! Hilarious!
Where did you get that from? Was it the pink sewer? If it was, it's not all bad there! :-)

docmac said...

Claudia

There are LOTS of blonde, blue-eyed kids in Africa. But you're right, there are many more 'others'. Oooooooh!!! Creepy (man). lol!

docmac said...

It's a pink laugh a minute, Claudia.

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOL.
I just read the last post. That's what you're referring to, right?
Reading it, I could picture Poophead writing it, all sweaty, read, and shaking with hatred. I haven't read her for a long time and had almost forgotten the lunatic, obsessive, out of control style. Way to go, Doc. You do know how to make them lose it. :-) I hope she doesn't forget the Lasix. :-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, yes, but those are the safe people. The 'others' are the scary ones.
I can imagine it is a laugh a minute. Unfortunately, after finishing my translation marathon I have been helping a friend with a PhD project which needs to be presented both in Portuguese and in English and I haven't had much time.

docmac said...

Claudia, should we call her 'furosemide' now? :-)))

docmac said...

Take your time, you know they are going to be there for a while ;-)

Cláudia said...

Yep, furosemide is a good name for her/him/it. :-)

Cláudia said...

But thinking of it, I think Poophead suits her better. And it kind of shows some affection, don't you think? LOL

Cláudia said...

Doc, I'm still PMSL about that comment you copy pasted, full of artistic personal writing. It's hilarious. Simply hilarious. :-)

docmac said...

Cold and rainy here.

Popping out to pick up a couple of salomies.

BBL.

Cláudia said...

I just had to google images to see what that was! :-)
I'm making crepes today! :-)
See you later, querido amigo.

docmac said...

The 'matchstick in the (Med) ocean' one, or the other? :-)))))

Gotta get some curry!

Cláudia said...

Doc, :-)))))
Go ahead. Enjoy!

Cláudia said...

P.S: Doc, I think Poophead lusts after you. LOL I hope she's not thinking about messing with your mop. LOL

docmac said...

Check this out, Claudia. I have abbreviated the pathetic 'excuse me' comment. I am sure you can see exactly the kind of xenophobes and religious bigots that support the McScams.

by vee8 on Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:48pm

I would be carefull here. How much of this is press speculation, fuelled by a desire to fill in the blanks in order to sell copies? Remember, Gerry was not Madeleine's biological father, Kate wanted to have her adopted, Madeleine was a dificult and hyperactive child, the parents were into wifeswapping, the children were sedated each night, Madeleine was sold to pay off a mortgage arrears, need I go on? I wonder if there is an Israeli 3a's site, full of Jewish scumbags, intent on piling more hurt on this family?

9:42pm

I should make that last post clear, I mean scumbags who are Jews, and not that all Jews are scumbags!


Rat or LGC might have something to say about this if they look in.

I think Nigel and his 'best friend' Ade may be sniffing more than petrol. Say no more...

docmac said...

Anonymous said...

"ROTFLMAO Rosie, you have just shown him up for the pathetic little man he is. His constant boasting is a classic sign of someone suffering from small man syndrome, lol. Only really desperate woman would fall for his bullshit, talking about desperate woman, I take it Clawdia and Vile are still hanging on to his every word. Losers!

30 August 2008 13:20

Now if you had said 'women' some might have believed you, anonymandz. Squeak squeak.

Care to enlighten me about the oh so mythical small man syndrome? Using your real name of course.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I could say I was shocked. But I would be lying. These people are the scum of the earth. They are racist, xenophobes, bigots and they view neglect as responsible parenting. Freaks.

Cláudia said...

Doc, is not finishing primary school a requirement to post there? Maybe they post as anonymous because they don't know how to write their own names?

docmac said...

Heck, I just posted about anonymandz. I mean it could be anonyoldchristabelortinkerbelloranyothersortofbell too:-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, or anyofthedildoclubmembers.

docmac said...

Claudia, you are way too kind to them.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I know. I'm a generous soul. ;-)

docmac said...

I know that :)

As discussed last evening, I have just received good (or bad) news. It's +. Going for scan now. See you later.

Cláudia said...

Doc, later let me know how I should react to that! :-)
Fingers crossed.
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

'Wow, Poophead was pissed off! :-) Good! :-)
Tha fat thing, do you think it's because of the lady the size of a lorry, Auntie Phil?
Do you think they only forgot their children outside shops, or is it something they repeat with the grandkids? You know, so they can all laugh about it later?'

Claudia,

I think poor Philly must have been left outside the Baker Shop far too many times. The baker must have felt sorry for the situation Philly found herself in and gave her one too many cakes to cheer herself up. I think Philly should sue the baker if still alive or his/her family as his/her actions were unhelpful and the cause of her being overweight now.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone watch the prog Who Do You Think You Are?

'Jerry Springer was born in Golders Green in London in 1944. His Jewish parents had escaped from Nazi Germany just three days before the outbreak of the Second World War. Tragically, Jerry's grandmothers did not escape and both were murdered in the Holocaust. He did not know what happened to them after his parents' escape, or where they died. With their deaths, all knowledge of his family's roots was also lost.

Jerry first set out to discover if he could trace back the Springer family. He discovered that his great-grandfather, Abraham Springer, came from the small town of Neustettin. Now in Poland, in the 19th century the town was in the German kingdom of Prussia. Documents revealed that Abraham too had to struggle against an anti-Semitic campaign of hate, one which he eventually overcame.

Jerry then undertook a painful and disturbing investigation into the fate of his grandmothers. Nazi documents revealed their fate in shocking detail and Jerry traced the journeys they took, first to the ghettos and then to the death camps.'

You can watch it here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/whodoyouthinkyouare/new-stories/jerry-springer/index.shtml

The above programme shows the author who posted the words below up for what they really are.
Thanks for posting that post here Docmac, that person/thing is the lowest of low of humanity.

'by vee8 on Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:48pm

'I wonder if there is an Israeli 3a's site, full of Jewish scumbags, intent on piling more hurt on this family?

9:42pm

I should make that last post clear, I mean scumbags who are Jews, and not that all Jews are scumbags!

Rat or LGC might have something to say about this if they look in.'

Some electronic footprint you leave Vee8, hope your family are proud of you.

dylan said...

Zodiac,

Hi & just logged in and read your post.

I'm utterly digusted and duly revolted. What a hateful thing to say and then try to backtrack and say they didn't mean all Jews? A person's lineage, creed or colour should not come into this discussion at all. It has nothing to do with a person's views on a couple that serially neglected their children and ultimately "lost" a daughter. Why Vee8 is using racist comments is a mystery to me but needless to say, they are misplaced, heartless and foul.

I guess us "gypos" are up next are we? Sick.

Thanks for exposing this person. xx

dylan said...

Just finished reading back.

No worries, Docmac, you didn't need to add on the email bit. I know you didn't ;-)

Oh and thanks to the voters: 55% "not recommended but probably OK". Well cheers for the exoneration. Just like the McCanns have from the PJ? - Not!

And yes I have had a problem for months now. I've had a problem for months with certain spiteful, playground bullies, who believe that it's in the realms of responsible parental behaviour to leave a 3 year old child in charge of her younger siblings whilst mummy and daddy go out on the p*ss!.

xx

Di said...

Good evening all....

I have only looked back a couple of posts.

Vee8....Shame on you, you are a disgrace and I don't think I need to tell you why!!

Viv..

Your post last night 02.43. Yes the endorphins are an absolute must!! Afterall the pressure on these two must have been unthinkable!!

Do we know? did Kate & Gerry jog on a daily basis before Madeleine went missing or was it only afterwards?

Di said...

Hi Dyl..

Don't let them get to you it is not worth it.

Hold your head up..hold it up high..

Who was it that sang that??

J J said...

Evening All.

I know I am a simple soul, but I am reading and occasionally posting on this site, hoping to get justice for Madeleine. (I really don't care about anyone else).

I cannot understand why people keep reading other sites and posting their comments here.

This is not a debate, it is just slagging one and other off.

I totally agree that the 'other site' should not be saying things about this site.
But if no-one from here answered them. they would soon get fed up and go away.

Then maybe Madeleine could be the centre of our attention.

Reading the 'other site' is one thing, commenting here just encourages them.

Surely we can rise above it for Madeleine!

bath theory said...

Just looking at D.Payne's first interview statement the day after Madeleine vanished from the face of the earth. Look at the last line in this quote which I looked at on the Mccann files.


...During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 22h00, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week...'

So in his statement it specifically refers to the shutters being open when we now know they were not. This alone tells you the initial story put out by the McCann's and their friends is at best misguided and more likely a lie. Thus why would they say this when it was not the case. The contradictions in their statements alone is enough to have kept them in Portugal and never to have left them go in the first place.

Anonymous said...

Hi Dylan,

Just ignore the comments of the ignorant ones.

As for giving details on the net then that is up to the person posting.

If I want to post about my Keanu, Brad, Leonardo and Kyle Danni then I will.

dylan said...

Hi Di, JJ and Zodiac!

Don't worry, I'm not bothered. (face ain't bovvered!) I was actually quite impressed with the 55% majority!

jj, you're right of course. We should all stop feeding them, albeit just typed words. We are here because of Madeleine and diversionary tactics only work if we respond to them.

Zodiac, lol! mine are called Donna-Kebab, Shirley-Knott and Wayne Kerr. I wanted classy names for my nippers :-)

xx

Anonymous said...

'Kylie-Danni'

Oops spelt my wean's name wrong, mmmh what a caring parent I am.


Dylan,

Love those names wish they had been popular when I had my little uns.

'Donna-Kebab, Shirley-Knott and Wayne Kerr. I wanted classy names for my nippers :-)'

LOL!

docmac said...

Dyl

I would never do that. I'm not ******** you know :-)

Claudia, you have mail.

docmac said...

Anonymous said...

Does Docnot brag how he can hack computers?

He can log in from different countries, SA, Germany, America.
So he makes out.


Yeah, it's called a proxy server. You're a technophobe eh?

I love Gallstone on the 3A's, but some of them (mods) don't half take the piss out of him, by email of course. Hi Prat tee hee.

30 August 2008 15:58


Never had an e-mail from a mod actually, but if you wish to fake one be my guest.

Apologies jj.

nancy said...

Hello all,

Bath Theory -

Kate went to check on the children at 22.00 hours and then less than five minutes later was in the tapas bar saying 'they've taken her'!! Now just why did she rush straight to the tapas bar without first searching high and low round and about and outside the apartment just to see if Madeleine had got up and wandered off.

One could be excused for thinking she knew she wouldn't find her; the same as she and Gerry staying in the apartment all night instead of looking for poor Madeleine - again, one could be excused for thinking they knew they wouldn't find Madeleine.

Sorry Kate and Gerry - you've both been rumbled!!

JJ -

I totally agree with your point about ignoring the wannabees - send them to Coventry and leave them to stew in their own vile juices!

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

docmac said...

Jane and tonic is p*ssed off, Dyl. Her 16 year old has turned into an adult overnight too.

Mum21 is hilarious as well. Great example there, bum. Keep it up.

Cláudia said...

Doc, half time.
Replied to your e-mail!!!!
Do you think the bottle lady has alcohol traces in her blood or blood traces in her alcohol?

docmac said...

Nytol. Valium anyone?

docmac said...

Claudia

Is Benfica playing? I must 'sleep' soon :-)

Bottle lady is an ingredient of EtOH IMO.

Cláudia said...

Doc, was she the one who had kind of a breakdown last Christmas? I was away (Christmas is always spent elsewhere with family) but I remember reading that someone had had a breakdown. Not sure if it was the bottle lady or another nutter.

Cláudia said...

Doc, yeah. I talked about it in my reply to you. :-)

nancy said...

Hi Claudia -

Has there been any news of Alsabella? I hope she wasn't spirited away to some unthinkable place - perhaps she was given a warning by someone in the SS to close her blog or else! Strange that we have never heard from her again, and very sad!

Nx

docmac said...

Claudia ;-))))

Cláudia said...

Nancy, Alsabella had reasons to close her blog. I promised her I wouldn't tell anyone, so I won't. She told me she would come back. Although I believed her, there was something which made me think she might not come back. Something strong. And if I was in her shoes, I think I would also think twice. Furthermore, besides the blog thing, there was also personal stuff, health related.

Cláudia said...

BBL.

nancy said...

Good night Docmac et al!

See you all tomorrow - my young granddaughter has just gone back to the UK after plenty of action this week and I'm knackered so I'm off to bed for an early night!

Nx

nancy said...

Thanks Claudia -

It just seems so strange that she was at the forefront of Justice for Madeleine and then went so quickly - perhaps she'd had enough of the insults from so many pros!

If she ever contacts you again, please let her know that she won't be forgotten for all her hard work on behalf of Madeleine!

Buenas noches Claudia

Nx

docmac said...

Night Nancy

Sounds like you need that sleep! Hope your granddaughter had a safe journey.

x

dylan said...

Hi Nancy & Claudia! Looks like I've just missed you both as I'm off to bed now.

Early start tomorrow as it's back to school for the kids on Wednesday and I've got loads to do :-(

Docmac, can't think what the asterisks stand for...hmmmm! Poor Jane gin and tonic & bum. Driiiink!!

Goodnight & sleep well.

xx

docmac said...

Mum21 said...

Oh, and by the way everyone...we make spelling errors...but docmac only makes typing errors.
What a self opinionated prat he is.


You are so right. The 'a' and the 's', as well as the 'w' and the 'e' are very far apart on the keyboard. Hands up. I don't understand the poet's three dot punctuation system though. Must be thick.

Rosiepops said...

yeah I sort of guesed that Mum but I didn't want to add to his woes lololololololololol
But I don't think it would go down very well on a plane (Still I hear Clawd could help him out)


What is 'guesed'?

docmac said...

Oh, and a last thing, Mum.

What is the opinion amongst respected poets like yourself regarding the use of a hyphen between 'self' and 'opinionated'?

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOL. Sense of humour is one of the best qualities in a human being. :-)

Cláudia said...

Nancy, it had nothing to do with insults. It was far more serious. I think she knows we are grateful to her.
Buenas noches.

Cláudia said...

Well,

Cláudia said...

guys,

Cláudia said...

I wish

Cláudia said...

all of you

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