25 Aug 2008

INITIAL STATEMENT GERRY MCCANN FROM PJ FILE

THE TIME READS 5.59 3/5/07 - SO WHY WERE THE MCCANNS NOT THERE?


The above is further details of what Kate and Gerry told the Police which Atardi found, thanks:-)) All carefull worked out on the covers of Madeleine's story books no doubt, they knew she would not be needing those any more :-((((

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Hearing Gerald Patrick McCann The hearing takes place the day after the disappearance of Madeleine, 04/05/2007 at 11.15. It begins by explaining the fact that Gerry is British and, therefore, did not understand Portuguese, either spoken or written. Under what is called an interpreter "jury" name: Natalia. Its function is to translate accurately, the language of the declarant to the country's official language, words, feelings, images, phrases and verbal family used. To avoid any misinterpretation ... In 1994, Gerry McCann had already visited Portugal. He stayed in an apartment on the outskirts of Albufeira. The desire to know Portugal was due to the fact that the country is known for its excellent conditions for golf. The trip is now conducted by the suggestion of a friend David Payne who reserved the OCEAN CLUB, after making an investigation on the Internet, for the declarant, his wife and the rest of the group. Altogether, a group of nine adults and eight children including child Madeleine disappeared. The group consists of people that the declarant known for some 5 or 6 years. They travelled in two separate groups. One composed of declarant, his wife Kate and their three sons, David Payne and his wife, his two sons and his mother-in-law. This group came from the local airport from Leicestershire and another group from London, comprising four adults and three children. The meeting point was the Oceania Club in Portugal. The declarant's group arrived at 14:30 on April 28 with provenance of Faro airport by a small bus to the airport services. The other group came the same day at 13:00. After "chek in" the declarant, his wife Kate HEALY, his daughter Madeleine and her pair of twins two years, and SEAN Amelia, settled into an apartment G5A. The apartment consisted of two beds in the first room, plus two others in another room, where the company provided two cradles, in addition to the bathroom and kitchen. GERALD Kate and slept in one room and on the other, slept her three children including twin beds in the "baby" and Madeleine in a normal bed. The remaining bed was empty. Between April 28, arrival date and time when it disappeared Madelei the declarant indicates not have noticed anything unusual except that a morning of May 3, Madeleine asked his dad, Gerald, why had not the ido room while the twins crying. The declarant had not heard anything and did not move up the room. It was the first time that Madeleine had this kind of comment. In regard to the facts routine reads: On Sunday, took the breakfast, between 07:30 / 08:30 at the bar of the Ocean Club a few metres away from the apartment. In the following days due to the remoteness of the bar, began to buy food at the supermarket located in the same artery that the apartment. After breakfast the children remained in a nursery club called "Club Kid" where they engaged in various activities such as painting, collage and so on. this until 12h30, under surveillance for several employees at a ratio of one supervisor for every three children. At 12h30 iban parents looking for children and lunch at the apartment after making purchases of supplies. After lunch, at approximately 13.30, children stayed near the pool club, supervised by parents, for about 45 minutes while playing and got the sunscreen. After this time, children were returning to the "Club Kid" until around 17h00. Time to which dinner, at the bar, under the supervision of parents. After dinner of 17h00, parents gave them a bath and before preparing them for the night, leaving some time in an area of games annex to the tennis courts, always under the supervision of parents. About 19h30 / 20h00 children slept until morning routines that described above is restarted. While the children were in the "Kid Club", GERRY playing tennis with Kate, past or were "jogging". Yesterday (Note: Day of the disappearance), after the daily routines, Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their beds at 19h30. Parents stayed in the apartment was relaxed and drinking a glass of wine until 20h30. Having found that children slept, parents, accompanied by other adults, headed towards the restaurant "tape" about 50 meters where all had dinner together. As usual, every half hour and because the restaurant was near the apartment, the declarant or his wife iban to check whether children were well. 21h05 Thus, at 21h05, the declarant entered the apartment with the help of his key because the door was closed, and headed toward the room of children, found that the twins Madeleine and were well. Then went to the toilet a few moments. He left the apartment and crossed a person with whom he had played tennis and started a small conversation, then returned to tape. 21h30 At 21h30, a friend MATT (group member) went to his apartment where they were their own children and went through the declarant's apartment through a sliding door that was always open and located on the side of the house. Entered into an apartment, saw the twins and found that Madeleine was okay. Everything was normal, blinds were closed and the door of the room was among open as ever. Then MATT back to the restaurant. 22h00 At 22h00 Kate went to check on children. Entered into an apartment through the door with the help of your password and saw that the door of the room was completely open, the window was also open up the blinds and curtains open. The doors were closed except the rear as mentioned earlier. Faced with this situation, Kate found that the twins were in their respective bed unlike that Madeleine had disappeared. Having looked carefully at the apartment, his wife, frightened and dismayed, went to the restaurant to warn the declarant of the disappearance. Immediately the group headed towards the club and searched all facilities, pool, tennis and so on. As well as an apartment, with the help of employees of the Ocean Club, and at the same time, contacted authorities. 21h10/21h15 He wants to emphasize that one element of the group, Jane, around the 21h10 / 21h15, when going to his apartment to see her children, saw about 50 metres into the artery that goes to the club, a person carrying a Children in pyjamas. Jane may clarify this situation better. Madeleine As regards to Madeleine, is described as of Caucasian race, skin white, 4 years (12/05/03) and about 90 cm in height. Delgada, dark blond hair, smooth and even shoulders. Left Eye blue and green the right however, that, with a brand of brown. It also has a small distinctive badge on your skin, brown, on his left leg. You have no scar. When disappeared, wearing a white pajamas with some pants with floral motifs and whose top had short sleeves, mainly coloured pink with a drawing of blue and ash with the inscription "Eeyore." As regards to the girl's personality is extroverted, hyper active, he can talk, cunning with a great ease of connection with other children. She never would go with a stranger. The declarant is not suspected and no one finds no reason for this act, has no enemies, neither he nor his wife. His daughter does not suffer from any illness and does not take any medicine. The declaration authorizes that a reading of his mobile phone. Apart from Kid Club, and the apartment were only once to the beach with Madeleine and the twins but during a very short time, because weather conditions were unstable. It only took an ice cream and returned to the apartment. Apart from what has been said, Madeleine and other children's Kid Club went to the beach, five minutes walk from the club for an hour. This output was organized by the company itself. Monitoring and organization were in charge of the club, the declarant and his wife were not present.

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nancy said...

Hi Viv -


Thanks for the refresher on Gerry's statement.

Gerry went back to the apartment at 9.30pm and used his key to get in as the door was locked. Why did Kate state the opposite then, that the door was left open! It obviously suited her story at the time.

Matt went back not long after and then Kate - not a hope in hell of this eggman getting in and out without being spotted!

They said that Madeleine would never go with a stranger, but now they both insist that she did just that! Why wasn't she heard screaming by the other tenants nearby?

I don't now, and never have, believed a word of what they say!

bath theory said...

And now we are informed she changed her clothes that night.

So where and when did she change these and did the first set of clothes get thrown away?

Cláudia said...

Bath Theory, the changing thing has not been confirmed. I think that Mr Mitchell reacted to that possibility by saying: 'So what?'. Well, I would normally agree with him (yikes!), but given the circumstances, that 'detail' would be of huge importance. Especially if the changing of clothes hadn't been reported to the police during the extensive questioning. But I'm sure ist's just an ill-intentioned rumour...

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bath theory said...

You may well be right Claudia. If the photos really exist and if they show it then one would wish to see it investigated further though.

The whole thing about this case and the parents not answering questions and getting involved in helping a full and comprehensive investigation of all possibilities is grounded in something we teach little children - taking responsibility.

If they took full responsibility they would not have left them the way they did all week. It is yet to be substantiated whether they did actually leave Madeleine that night. They left the twins but did they leave her. The previous nights it seems they did.

Talking about that holiday openly, frankly and answering all questions to whoever asks (Police, general public & concerned professionals) is not a matter of guilt it is a matter of responsibility.

Further to that when anyone asks 'Do you think the parents could be involved?' my answer always comes back to 'why not'

The fact they are outraged and avoid this and indeed ran away from Portugal is telling in my opinion.

So tell me 'why not?'

Cláudia said...

Bath Theory, I believe those photos exist. And do you know why I believe it? Because of Mr Mitchell's comment.

atardi said...

Hi Viv,

Yesterday (Note: Day of the disappearance), after the daily routines, Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their beds at 19h30.

It's very interesting to notice that Gerry didn't mention in his first statement that Madeleine,Sean and Amelie didn't have dinner with the other kids at the bar.

Remember the picture of the Tapas 7 with their kids?

docmac said...

Hello from The Gambia.

Two big impressions thus far. The river is much, much bigger than I thought it would be. And the people are much, much poorer than I thought they would be.

Hi Nancy. Those two are such bloody obvious liars, aren't they? Actually the whole damn lot of them are. I still can't understand why they were allowed to leave Portugal.

bath theory said...

I don't remember that Atardi, tell me more about this piccie of the kids and them that night.

Hi Docmac
You have mail.

Hi Claudia
Clarence and his placement with them is one of the weirdest things about this whole issue isn't it. I would move my kids away from him if he walked towards us if we walked past each other on a promenade or whatever. He may well be a very nice man privately but my instinct tells me there is something a little creepy about him. Something dark there me thinks. Just an opinion.

bath theory said...

Hi Doc
Have you a water purifying device or tablets with you?

atardi said...

Hi BT and Cláudia.

Nancy,

You said:"I don't now, and never have, believed a word of what they say!".

Do you remember this one?

atardi said...

Nancy,

I have tried to copy "What Gerry told police" and "What Kate told police".

I didn't succeed. Maybe my daughter can help me.

docmac said...

Hi BT

I have just replied to your e-mail. When you read it you will know what I am here for. The malaria capsules are making me nauseous so I haven't even thought about drinking anything at all. I'm only here for around 40 hours anyway, so I'll just drink Coke and buy a bottle of water to use for rinsing after brushing my teeth. Don't drink bottled water, far too unhealthy. I have to be off to a function in a minute. Big spread available apparently but I feel too queasy to eat tonight.

May log in much later, otherwise goodnight to you and everyone else.

viv said...

Hiya all

It is extraordinary that in both their initial statements to the police, only the folllowing morning they use their own negligence to stage an abduction. Both indicating that Madeleine had told them of her and the twins crying the night before. They clearly mean to imply that this "predator" who was "watching their family", knew the children were left alone and returned the following night to take Madeleine. But reality would tell me if some so called predator knew they were all liable to wake up and start wailing that would be the last thing he would do!

He also says the children were returned to the Kids Club at 1.30, as we know, he then tells us the so called last picture had the wrong time on it. I believe it is absurd to suggest that was a last picture of Madeleine, it was a picture of her that IMO was about one year old, in that she clearly looks nearer to 3 than 4. From the very outset it is clear this man was plotting and manipulating the facts and providing false evidence. Has any other witness actually said the children were crying the night before, 2 May. Or did he just use this? Mrs Fenn says Madeleine was crying on 1 May!

Viv x

atardi said...

Nancy,

My daughter did help me. I hope you can read their statements.

Gerry:

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madeleinert8.jpg


Kate:

http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madeleine3dt3.jpg

viv said...

And we are only getting details from the 11,000 pages the PJ decided to release. Det Super Prior requested they didnot release all the information and there are 20,000 pages withheld. It can therefore be assumed that there is far worse stuff that we are not getting access to which Leicester Police continue to investigate. No wonder the McCanns have gone pretty quiet!

Viv x

viv said...

Thanks Atardi!!

I have included the additional details of what Gerry told the police at the top of this thread as it copies as a picture.

It is yet another example of his manipulative staging.. it was so easy to move the shutters up and down etc. Funny thing is though Gerry, the only fingerprints found on them belonged to Kate and there was no evidence of a gloved hand either!

hope4truth said...

Hi ALL

They have gone very quiet it is funny the way CM thinks he is spinning in the right direction for them... The Mail prints a front page article about the fund being in chaos and let's face it if I ran my Company that way I would be investigated by the Taxman for starters and out of business in days..

Yet none of the papers have run with it as a headline and the British Press is usually after any dirt it can get. Does CM really think the British Public are that daft???

Looking forward to the next interview by the McCann's each and everyone so far has shown them for the uncaring people they are.

bath theory said...

Hi Viv
Thanks for this. I did not realise this was the case. Great news I think.

'...And we are only getting details from the 11,000 pages the PJ decided to release. Det Super Prior requested they didnot release all the information and there are 20,000 pages withheld.'

JFM

atardi said...

BT,

Finally found it.

Kids Tapas7 having dinner.

There was an article about Kate jogging on the beach and that she felt sad (these are not the exactly words)seeing the Tapas 7 and their kids on the beach. While Madeleine had a trip with the "Kids Club".

I think Viv published that also.

bath theory said...

Amazing photo Atardi. This is just laughable. Once again didn't fully realise this piece of info. You just have to ask why the Mc's were not there with them? A decent barrister would tease that out of them I am sure. Time will tell.It is not where you are at the beginning but where you are at the end.

atardi said...

Viv.

Will pass your "thanks" to my daughter.

Zodiac said...

Viv, Atardi and your daughter thanks for posting the articles.

BBL

ratonthebeam said...

The photos exist. They are not a myth.

Cláudia said...

Rat, yep. :-)

atardi said...

BT,

Exactly.

You said:It is not where you are at the beginning but where you are at the end.

The McCanns thought that by now everything would be over. They underestimated the PJ, Portugal,the public in England and other countries.

Zodiac said...

KM's statement above. Is this the 'just knew' she was harping on about on the 2/3rd May 08 in interviews on TV. You know the I can't say cos you know, er,um,um, er,tongue click away, of the Secrecy Laws, but believe me if I could I would tell and everyone would 'just know' then you would understand also (or crappy, pathetic words like that). What a bore and a chore this odious woman is.

nancy said...

Atardi -

Thanks for the link. Just why did the McCann's fail to take their children out for dinner with the other tapas children I wonder - perhaps there was a good reason if you follow my drift!

nancy said...

I seem to have got the timing wrong in my first post. Gerry went to look at about 9.05 not 9.30!!

According to him his daughter was laying in bed looking so beautiful and he thought just how lucky he was! It's a pity it didn't make him think twice about going out again and leaving his very young children. Shame on them both!

I'm off now till the morning - I have a young grandaughter with me and I want to spend some time with her,so see you all later!

Nx

Zodiac said...

Goodnight all.

Read you tomorrow.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

How the Law deals with sex offenders (even offences against children).

"Sex offenders walk away with cautions"

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/
3620102.Sex_offenders_walk_away_with
_cautions/

docmac said...

Hi Viv

Have just read something you posted to me last night about Mr Halligen. I never said he was American. I said he was a lawyer working in America. And he was working at Patton Bogg. I am amazed that you do not find this very odd.

Here is the proof.

docmac said...

Look at this too. He bought the house in October 2007 and now it's back on the market.

Cláudia said...

Hey Doc, you're better than the 'big boys' and Metodo 3 combined! :-)

docmac said...

Aaarrghh

Keep on losing my connection. Meant to add the house is being sold AT A LOSS.

docmac said...

lol Claudia!

Oakley International is also based in Delaware, which is the tax haven of the USA.

docmac said...

Anybody wondering why Gerry really went to Washington?

Cláudia said...

Doc, to work on his accent? :-)

docmac said...

Claudia, :-)))

docmac said...

Yes, ICTOAN

It seems that sex offences are viewed as much less serious than dumping your rubbish in the wrong recycling bin nowadays. Really sad.

viv said...

Hiya Doc,

If you are a UK trained solicitor or barrister to work in the States you would have to re-train. He is not registered as a solicitor in the UK and certainly does not mention being a lawyer on his website, Red. If he were this would surely be an attribute he would want to mention. The fact that he states his occupation as "attorney" does not prove he is one, but the date is interesting 28 June 2007. Like you, I tend to think that meeting him was the real reason for Gerry's trip to the States!

He is not listed as an employee of Patton Bogg either and I wonder how they feel about it all! I continue to think he is just using their address which again is typical behaviour of a fraudster.

The house purchase is odd for someone who states his income is only £33,000 per annum!!!That is if it is him, but the name initials are the same. Do you know if Halligen is a real name in the State because I cannot find any listings for this name in UK and it is not at all uncommon for fraudsters to change their name once or twice!

HIGH HILL CT 10112, 22066, Georgina L Moore to K R Halligen, $1,685,000

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, all. Had a very early start today and need to get some sleep.
Viv and Doc, muitos beijinhos!!!!

viv said...

Boa Noite querida Claudia

com amor
viv xxxxxxxxxx

viv said...

Hiya Doc and thanks for the further information. Well that $1.5M property which it would seem Mr Halligen was the proud owner of for less than a year is certainly a bit of prime real estate as the Americans would say:-)))

I just did the virtual tour, he must be truly gutted he cannot stay there!

http://www.homevisit.com/tour/vtour.asp?id=33367&navbar=OFF&pop=OFF

docmac said...

Jeepers! There are hippos here, and I'm in a safari tent! A pretty sturdy one, but still.. The drums drove me around the bend too. Can they go on!

Viv, Halligen is an Irish name. Maybe he's from Donegal :-)))

Goodnight all.

docmac said...

Viv, how odd , as he is listed here again (twice) as having made political contributions.

Something very strange going on.

Nice house hey ;-)

Nite again.

isis said...

Goodnight Claudia, if you are still here, there is a debate going on at the moment as to the correct interpretation of the statement from the portuguese re the shelving of the case. I know linguistics is your area so if you could would you ,when you have time give me your translation of the sstatement, thanks. "Por despacho com data de hoje (21.07.2008) proferido pelos dois magistrados do Ministério Público competentes para o caso, foi determinado o arquivamento do inquérito relativo ao desaparecimento da menor Madeleine McCann, por não se terem obtido provas da prática de qualquer crime por parte dos arguidos."

isis said...

Sorry Claudia,in particular this bit......, por não se terem obtido provas da prática de qualquer crime por parte dos arguidos."

viv said...

Hiya Isis

I know you want an exact translation but according to google that says:

by not having obtained evidence of the practice of any crime by the defendants

This is consistent with other reported comments of the prosecutor, that the police had failed to obtain satisfactory evidence sufficient to charge. It is clearly not saying they are innocent as Clarence and the McCanns would have us believe! At no stage does their preferred word "exonerate" ever get used. On the contrary the AG/prosecutor has always been at pains to stress that if better evidence comes to light the investigation can be re-opened. This is a typical scenario that we have seen in UK with murder suspects on so many occasions, particularly where the body cannot be found - the police know who the culprits are but it often takes several years before charges can be brought.

isis said...

Hi Viv, there is a bit of a debate going on about the exact wording, i always took it that the statement ment that the case had been shelved not due to lack of evidence but rather lack of proof, in other words lots of circumstantial evidence but nothing solid enough to be able to bring a successful prosecution.However if new evidence does come to light , then i assume like all cold cases it can be reviewed.

docmac said...
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docmac said...

Hi Isis, can't sleep. This is an e-mail I received from Claudia recently. Hope it helps.

Doc, she must be talking about the press release from the Attorney general's office the day the case was shelved. Apart from that, i never heard Mr Monteiro say a word about the case after that. What she fails to say is that what was said was there was no proof of. Which means not enough to go to court. No proof does not mean no evidence, no indicia.


NOTA PARA A COMUNICAÇÃO SOCIAL
I

Por despacho com data de hoje (21.07.2008) proferido pelos dois magistrados do Ministério Público competentes para o caso, foi determinado o arquivamento do inquérito relativo ao desaparecimento da menor Madeleine McCann, por não se terem obtido provas da prática de qualquer crime por parte dos arguidos.

II

Cessa assim a condição de arguido de Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat, Gerald Patrick McCann e Kate Marie Healy, declarando-se extintas as medidas de coacção impostas aos mesmos.

III

Poderão ter lugar a reclamação hierárquica, o pedido de abertura de instrução ou a reabertura do inquérito, requeridos por quem tiver legitimidade para tal.

IV

O inquérito poderá vir a ser reaberto por iniciativa do Ministério Público ou a requerimento de algum interessado se surgirem novos elementos de prova que originem diligências sérias, pertinentes e consequentes.

V

Decorridos que sejam os prazos legais, o processo poderá ser consultado por qualquer pessoa que nisso revele interesse legítimo, respeitados que sejam o formalismo e limites impostos por le

Where is the debate taking place?

EDITED to highlight the section Claudia did when she sent it to me.

viv said...

Hiya Isis

I think proof and evidence amount to the same thing. The PJ have not obtained evidence of who killed Madeleine, how she was killed or what they did with her body. True, they have a host of circumstantial evidence that indicates their guilt but this would be insufficient to mount a court case. Before they can do this the police must be able to give the prosecutors sufficient evidence to put the whole story before the court. They are a long way from that, but I am quite certain LP continue where PJ left off, evidence of deliberate fraud is going to be very telling IMO in that it clearly provides the motive not only to kill Maddie but to conceal her death and seek to pervert the course of justice. There are other serious charges that could be laid against these two if they cannot conclusively prove murder/manslaugther. This could be the way forward for the police and prosecutors but still they need to tell as much of the story as they can and it is clearly and intensely complex story on an international level. I firmly believe Gerry has been all over the world weaving his web of accomplices, lies and deceit..trips to Amsterdam and Washington for example!

Viv x

Viv x

viv said...

In any court case you have to prove what the facts are by the evidence that you present. In civil proceedings you have to prove facts on the balance of probabilities but in criminal proceedings the burden of proof is much higher, it has to be beyond reasonable doubt. Therefore some scenario that it was Kate without factual evidence to back that up would be insufficient. Saying she has the propensity for example because she has post natal depression or saying that she was loud and aggressive with the children, or that she is an unfit mother because she goes out and leaves them to cry still does not prove she actually killed Madeleine.

isis said...

No docmac, i cannot sleep as OH is lifting the roof with snoring and i cant find my earplugs!!! Saw you on line at the 3as but your pm is off. Debate, for want of a better word is here...http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=22396&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=135

isis said...

Viv, thanks.

Zodiac said...

'The drums drove me around the bend too. Can they go on!'

Docmac,

I have made a special request to the drummer/s by e-mail just for you 'What's the Story in Balamory' tee hee!

Cláudia said...

Isis, my interpretation is the one I e-mailed Doc. In the Portuguese language there is a difference between 'proof' and 'evidence/indicia'. Proof in Portuguese, prova, means it is unequivocal. The word used by the Attorney general's Office was 'prova'.

Wizard said...

Hi All,
Just a thought Gerry says he went back to the apartment to check on the kids at 9.05pm and according to his statement spent 10 minutes in the apartment and then met Jes Wilkins on the road outside at 9.15pm. Jane Tanner says she saw both Wilkins and G in conversation in the road outside side entrance of apartment 5A at 9.15pm. G then tells us he return to the Tapis Bar at 9.30pm which begs the question why did JT not see G and Wilkins still in conversation when she returned to the Tapis Bar. G and Wilkins conversation lasted for about 15 minutes. Gerry returned to the Tapis Bar at 9.30pm and JT was there. Its interesting that Tanner says that O’Brien and Oldfield did not check on the children at 9.35pm as they say but at 9.45pm – just before the alert is given that M is missing.

Perhaps as no one had a watch on this is the reason for the discrepancies. lol

isis said...

Thanks Claudia. I read docs post last night.Looking foreward to watching the program on Irish tv tonight, although i feel it will have a pinkish tinge to it !!

isis said...

Wizard, its strange how accurate their times were during the day. Did they all have showers pre-tapas and forget to put them back on. All their stories have more holes in them than a watering can. Funny how they all describe the day as "the usual routine" , but can be so accurate, even down to the wine kate and gerry drank before going out. Tanner cannot recall if madeleine was at the creche the 3rd when she picked her own daughter up?? Madeleines little friend. I would have thought that madeleine would have ran over to tanner and asked "when is my mummy coming?" or at least made herself known to tanner. We still have none of their statements confirming that they saw madeleine that day.

Wizard said...

Hi Isis,

I still am not completely convinced Madeleine did not die on the night of 2nd May. The only person who seems to have seen her was one of the nannies at the Ocean Club nursery. I believe it quite possible she has got confused as to when she last saw Madeleine. Tanner not seeing M at the nursery and Jes Wilkins partner not seeing her at the kids tennis lesson just increases the possibility, in my mind, they she was already dead.

isis said...

Wizard, it baffles me how none of these close friends that kate and gerry were so "into" can give an account of any description of seeing madeleine that day. We have had four statements translated and not a mention. Very very strange. Diane webster was very emphatic that the couples were responsible for only checking their own children , this having read the statements does not seem to be the case. I await o briens and paynes with interest.

Wizard said...

I also don’t think Isis, that anyone can say they saw Kate the afternoon of 3rd May, she says she was sitting by the pool but no one saw her. Again the alleged last photograph of M with her father and the twins no one can confirm this. Its strange that Kate did not meet up with any of the T7 that afternoon just for a chat - she sat on her own. Kate tells us on the night of the 2nd May she had an argument with G because he ignored her during the evening. The holiday group was quite large why was she not talking to the others in the group, why did she need Gerry to talk to.

It doesn’t make sense to me.

isis said...

Nor me wizard, Kate seems to have been somewhat aloof from the group really. Im surprised that with the very obvious inconsistencies in their stories, that the pj did not press them more in relation to pinning them down to give a description of madeleine on that day. Mabey the pj were aware of the protection that this entire group were being afforded at this early stage. My brain is fried from trying to piece the sequence of events toghther. No wonder they didnt want to do a reconstruction, it would have been like a carry on film. I often wonder why they bothered having dinner out that night, in particular tanner and o brien who had an ill child. Was there any flow of conversation at the table at all with al the "bobbing back and forth" that went on. Still waiting for kate to tell us why her immediate assertation was that madeleine was taken from the bedroom.

Zodiac said...

Isis,

Hope you post a summary of tonights prog here. Thanks in advance should you do so.

'Looking foreward to watching the program on Irish tv tonight, although i feel it will have a pinkish tinge to it !!'

Isis, if it is a live studio audience I wonder if rose coloured plastic specs will be handed to each member of the audience, like they do with 3-D movies. A large poster outside the studio would probably read. 'No admittance to anyone without our issued pink tinge specs allowed' by order of the Mc* and Pinky Empire.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Isis.
You're welcome. Been quite busy the last couple of days. Some arrangements to do before going back to work.
I wouldn't expect anything unbiased from tonight.

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

Re Pink glasses LOL x

bath theory said...

If Gerry says he spent 10 minutes in the apartment between 9.05 and 9.15 it is a long time. He could have nipped out to the church and back in that time and Wilkins may have seen him returning from a church visit rather than a visit to their apartment. Just a thought

bath theory said...

Why are they appearing on Irish TV? what will that do to help the public in UK believe them?

Di said...

Good evening all

I have only just read back a few posts, otherwise if I read all of them I would not have time to post.

Wizard..

Your post saying the child minder at the creche saw Madeleine, is that Miss Pennington? Has it not been said she is now working for one of the Tappas? Or am I mistaken!

J J said...

Hello All

I haven't read back so this story might have been posted already. Sorry if it has.

Have you read about the poor little boy who was shot by his five year old sister? His 'father' left a loaded air rifle while he answered a call on his mobile.

The 'father' hasn't been arrested yet, the police are treating it as a tragic accident. I suppose it is within the grounds of 'reasonable parenting'.

I can't help wondering why this idiot was shooting at a target in his garden, with two little children playing around. Not to mention the neighbours and their children.

I hope his phone call was important. The damage it has done to both his children can never be undone.

isis said...

The program tonight is more of a documentary style exploring the files since the judicial secrecy was lifted. I wonder if they will mention the cadaver scent detected on clothing belonging to madeleine? The mccanns have no plans that we are aware of in Ireland to put in a tv appearance. There was talk from mitchell of them appearing on the same show he appeared on. I really cant see this happening on live tv. A pre recorded interview with pink approved questions would be more what i would expect.

Di said...

jj

Yes, I read that awful story on Sky News. Target practice was the excuse!! It beggars belief.

That poor little boy is now fighting for his life.

dylan said...

Hi all!

Have been reading but haven't had time to post. Been trying to sort out my farden. Now it's all done, I can't believe I ever let it get into the state that it was! I left the flowering weeds for the honey bees and they all kind of turned into a tangled mess of dried stalks and compost!!

JJ, that man is a complete idiot. In this country, you don't need a firearms license for an airgun unless it has been modified beyond standard power of a .22 or .177, but in the light of this, I think all guns should be made subject to license and in the case of an air rifle, it should be part-based on IQ! Everybody knows that you should never let a gun get into the wrong hands. I don't care how important his phone call was, he should have made it safe before he answered it. After all, there's always 1471 and if it's a withheld number then it was no big deal.

I just hope that this little boy survives to make a full recovery and that he's made to pay for being negligent pr*t.

Isis, give us a summary if you can after the programme. :-)

xx

dylan said...

* the father is made to pay.

isis said...

Dylan, im not going to even bother giving you a summary, except to say that the mccanns were EXONERATED... claudia was that anywhere in the translation???? They were only 50 yards from the appartment, amaral is making money from madeleine and at present the mccanns are considering sueing the pj. Not a mention of the dogs mind you, lots of support from Ireland Il nor bore you all with the rest. Going to have a drink, what hogwash.

Joe said...

Sue the PJ it will never happen! 21,000 pages still held under secrecy by the PJ (if I my recollection is correct) and the McCanns would be afraid what is in those papers. Its just posturing by the clan to appear that they are the victims of the PJ. Never will wash. :-%


Yet another 5th rate TV channel allowing them to advertize and have their say un-opposed. Its disgusting. The longer this goes on the more shallow they sound, but they have no problem getting on the TV or the papers. TV3 is a joke here in Ireland. Its like a lightweight ITV and thats c*ap.

Joe said...

If I heard correctly the story is heading for the big screen. So they are clearly not worried about anything such as investigations that some people believe may be ongoing and they were exonerated by the PJ. Medals next. The future is bright now the silver screen beckons where fact becomes blurred and fiction takes over.

Cláudia said...

No Isis. The word exonerated was not used. In fact, it could not be used. Only when a case goes to court and there is a solution can the word exonerated be applied. And it could never be used by the police. When that's not the case, the only thing that can be said is if there is enough evidence or not to go to court.

docmac said...

JANEGT said...

mum21 gina

pass what you're on over here. I want a large glass. I am crying laughing. now....

since when does a cheap rate senior's day return to gambia also touch down and when do they allow laptops ha ha doclap sex machine eeeeeek......on short arsed flights of fancy??????

Omg WHAT A LAUGH!!!!


26 August 2008 16:15

Erm, let's have a little geography lesson now, shall we? Africa is bigger than the USA, Western Europe including Scandinavia, the UK and Eire, India, China and Argentina combined. South Africa itself is 5 times the size of the UK. There are no day return flights in Africa, for seniors or anyone else, you follow? Driiiiiiink!

Zodiac said...

Isis,

Many thanks for the info on the Docu. Just the usual hogwash, what a surprise!,

BT,

'If Gerry says he spent 10 minutes in the apartment between 9.05 and 9.15 it is a long time. He could have nipped out to the church and back in that time and Wilkins may have seen him returning from a church visit rather than a visit to their apartment. Just a thought'

He did say he used the loo whilst he was in the apt. Maybe it was a no: 2 and took a while. He does talk it, he comes across as an ignorant wee sh**, no: 2 does seem to be the common factor with him and et al.

isis said...

Claudia, thanks, i thought i would have heard if they were "exonerated"!! What a load of rubbish. Also said that the media interest was dying down but that journalists would continue to probe!! I didnt realise that they had started.

docmac said...

Zodiac

He does seem to be rather full of it, doesn't he?

isis said...

Hi Joe, you heard correctly, apparently angelina jolie has such sympathy for the mccanns that she wants to meet kate and give her a hug !! Any guesses for the role of kate???

Cláudia said...

Isis, I hope they continue to probe. In fact, I hope they will never stop. The word exonerated cannot ever be used in that contect because it is a formal expression of innocence. Formal expressions of guilt or innocence can only be reached after a trial by judge or a jury. It would mean that none of the former arguidos could be arguidos again in this investigation, which is not the case. At anytime, should new evidence be found, any of the first three arguidos can become arguidos again. Or witnesses be made arguidos. Or new people become arguidos.

Joe said...

Hi Isis,
KM and Jolie one actress to another eh? This was always the agenda. It was only the Arguido status that delayed things, but now even that can be used to great effect to demonstrate the injustice against the poor McCanns by the 2 main villains in the movie, ie. the abductor aka Bundleman and the super villians the PJ.

Cláudia said...

Hey, Doc!
Has the bottle lady responded to the post you made (re the threats) where you proved she was lying? I haven't been to the shit hole yet, despite your e-mail. :-)

southerncross said...

Good evening everyone

Just starting to read through all your posts, but have to make a comment on doc's 21.36 post. It is such a shame that Geography(and good old general knowledge)is not that important to some posters. Like the very uninformed post by G+T(have a few more Jane).
I remember many people asking my children if we lived in a mud house in SA, chased lions around the bushes, and if we sat in the sun for a long time, will we turn black? Oh the insight and education.

Viv, thank you for the two statements, I wonder when this couple will start searching for their daughter

docmac said...

Isis

Kate is a narcissist IMO. I bet it'll be someone called Kate who also has small boobs. Daughter of Goldie Hawn.

docmac said...

Hi Claudia

They never respond to posts that prove them wrong.

Hi SC

Yes, and I forgot to mention the flights are not cheap, they are free :-)

(Sorry, on dial-up and the connection is not that reliable either).

Zodiac said...

Saw this posted from nessie @ 3A's @ 8.04PM 26/8/08

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=22483&start=0

Sorry if this has already been posted but I couldn't find it anywhere, takenfrom the findmadeleine site.

Date Released: 26/08/2008

In the light of articles in some UK Sunday newspapers this weekend, we feel it is appropriate to comment briefly on our relationship with the investigation company Oakley International.

We appointed them several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine.

docmac said...

I see someone who *never* posts as "Anon" has now started his engines over on runway 4. I think I'll log off soon. It has been so peaceful tonight until now.

Heading off home early in the morning anyway. If it's a nice day I think I'll walk or swim ;-)

Zodiac said...

Goodnight all,

Read you tomorrow.

Cláudia said...

Doc, there is also the possibility that the bottle lady does not recall anything the bottle lady had said previously. :-)

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, Zodiac.

docmac said...

Claudia

I fear the bottle lady may well experience a touch of amnesia quite often, probably daily in fact.

Cláudia said...

Are you sure it's amnesia? Isn't it insomnia? ;-)

viv said...

Hiya all

Well I see the revelations in the papers have upset the McCanns prompting them to make this statement on their webpage (as posted above):



Oakley International
Date Released: 26/08/2008

In the light of articles in some UK Sunday newspapers this weekend, we feel it is appropriate to comment briefly on our relationship with the investigation company Oakley International.

We appointed them several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine.

Attachments

Well I just have a couple of little problems with that. Firstly, it is not an "investigation company" as the company profile below confirms it is in the business of manufacturing search and navigation equipment. The second little problem I have is "we appointed them" because again as the company report below confirms there is no "them", there is just one employee, Mr Halligen, ie he employs himself. So, I wonder have the papers got it wrong and Mr Kennedy did not axe Mr Halligen, or did he axe him but continue to maintain a good relationsship with him, focussed on the search for Madeleine. I wonder is it also correct that Mr Halligen resigned as director of his other company Red following a meeting with the Fund Directors, strange they did not clear that one up either.

Detailed Oakley International Group Llc Company Profile
This company profile is for the private company Oakley International Group Llc, located in Washington, DC. Oakley International Group Llc's line of business is mfg search/navigation equipment.


Company Profile: Oakley International Group Llc

Year Started:2007

State of Incorporation:N/A

URL:N/A

Location Type:Single Location

Stock Symbol:N/A

Stock Exchange:N/A

Also Does Business As:N/A

NAICS:N/A

SIC #Code:3812

Est. Annual Sales:$67,000

Est. Employees:1

Est. Employees at Location:1

Contact Name:Kevin Richard Halligen

bath theory said...

Quoting CM from Claudia's blog
(CM)"I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media."

We live in a democracy only by name. These ba**ards that lie, and speak sh%t* to get into power are just puppets for bigger even more odious humans ie big business buddies who all stratch backs together and they in turn lick the a**e of huge media conglomerates. It is a big lick a**e fest that runs our countries and no one can do anything to stop it. Most do not even allow themselves to realise the vast amount of hidden agendas that go on in life.

So my point is the McScammers have played their cards well to date by pressing a number of buttons that has tapped into this odious network. But, the ether of the common man stands tall and it swirls and whirls around until suddenly it wraps itself around these sort of people and it either strangles them or eats them up from the inside.

The death of a young girl means nothing to this sort of manipulative, ego & status driven sort. It means zilch,nothing. But to those of us who are not perfect but who can get out of bed with our souls intact say hang on a minute , not so fast, lets look at this and see what may have happened. ie They look behind what they see or hear. It is only by questioning human behaviour, words and actions that mankinds development has evolved and grown. Unfortunately, in every generation that has evolved there have been those who seek to prosper by treading on or stealing from or defrauding their fellow man or child.

Madeleine had no chance did she because she had at 3 yrs old a greater mortal compass than her parents. She had no real chance in this world.

They were 100 per cent negligent but did they kill her too? Who knows but why not? This is such a sick world. Last week I read one newspaper whilst on holiday and it had a headline on a US woman who killed her baby by putting her in a microwave and switching it on
Yes, killed her own child by microwaving her.

Is it possible that G&K killed their own eldest child or covered up a moment of madness. Of course it is - every single human being on this planet knows it is a possibility. The fact that they instantly wanted people to believe in just one scenario gives the issue away in my opinion. But what if you were in that position and you were desperate to conceal the facts you would need more than just your words to convince people out there.

Who could you go to to help control all the countries main newspapers. Maybe the head of the government's media monitoring unit would assist perfectly. You would need to act quickly and you would need to control events and you would need a phone close at hand at all times.

THE ETHER OF THE COMMON MAN HAS NOT FORGOTTEN MADELEINE

docmac said...

I don't think insomnia would be a problem Claudia, though the frequent airway obstructions during the night would cause daytime fatigue and eventually much worse...

I'm off soon. Battery running low anyway. There's no AC in the tent.

viv said...

You know guys it is almost like there is a little mole on the board of the Find Madeleine Fund, I mean, who leaked these details to the press? Is someone getting afraid of what they are up to their knees in and wanting to do something before it reaches neck/mouth level, which could of course prove fatal!

xxxxxx

bath theory said...

Doc
Watch out for those crocodiles that rise from the Lake at night in search of food. A sweaty afrikaner would make a fine snack.

bath theory said...

I am still half thinking that CM is a plant

viv said...

BT - Are those words underneath your own or Claudia's because they are simply brilliant and I could believe either of you wrote them!

Viv x

bath theory said...

Underneath the quote are mine. I have fire in my belly tonight and if the couple met me tonight I would stand and remain silent in front of them but my eyes would speak the words I have just written.

bath theory said...

I am 100 per cent confident these two are going down but time is needed. They will fall on their own sword, that is my prediction.

bath theory said...

by going down I mean it could be prison, or it could be that the ether of the common man eats them up from the inside.

docmac said...

Lost a post there.

BT, the sweaty Afrikaner is 3 tents away :-) It's actually quite cool here at night, funnily enough. Anyway, most of the crocs are about 200 miles downstream where the mangroves are. I heard there are some about here, but I haven't seen one.

docmac said...

Ah, success.

Goodnight to Viv, BT and Claudia and anyone else looking in.

dylan said...

Isis,

Lol!, thanks and no worries. It's no more pro than I expected. You've saved me from trying to find an on-line version of the documentary. Don't think I'll bother now, it'd make me want to throw up!

Viv, only just read back but I thought BT's comment was genuis too.

Docmac, swimming or walking back is possibly the safest option. You can't trust any vehicles made in SA you know. Probably held together with straw and dung! ;-)

Goodnight all,
Sleep well.

xx

dylan said...

*genius

very tired, please excuse!

bath theory said...

Goodnight Doc, one last thing technically you could windsurf all the way down the coast back to your front door. Just a thought.

viv said...

BT I am really impressed with your powerful words and entirely agree there is a 100% risk these two are going down. Altogether it was just too audacious and more and more keeps coming out as Claudia predicted that it would.

Just running for a moment with the mole on the Find Maddie Fund, a good soul who had the Public Interest Disclosure Act in mind, who could that mole be? I know this is pure conjecture but it is hard to imagine how the press got hold of such explosive stuff and it would seem the McCanns/CM did not choose to leak this for their own ulterior purposes. How about Gerry's boss? Or the accountant? Numbers 1,5 and 8 are the only possibilities IMO:-)))

Who are the directors of Madeleine’s Fund?

There are seven directors of the Fund. They are:

1.Peter Hubner; a retired consultant;
2. Brian Kennedy, a retired head teacher;
3. John McCann, a medical representative;
4. Edward Smethurst – A Commercial lawyer;
6. Doug Skehan, clinical director in cardiology at Glenfield Hospital;
7. Jon Corner – Director of a media company;
8. Michael Linnett, a retired accountant

bath theory said...

Thanks Dylan. I am in the groove tonight. I have the strength of mind and purpose to shuff a tennis bag all the way up somewhere that would hurt an average sports jock making sure the handles just peek out.

bath theory said...

Who is number 5?

My guess is it would be someone with a moral mindset and someone who thinks enough is enough. hard to tell

Cláudia said...

Would Like to wish you all a good night.
Viv and Doc, muitos beijinhos!
Durmam bem.

viv said...

Doc, do not wee in the water if having a swim, I saw the most horrific prog about what can take the open opportunity!

But have fun!

Nite Nite
Viv xxxxxx

bath theory said...

Lawyer no chance, retired accountant slight chance,
3,6 & 7 no chance thus leaving number 1 perhaps

bath theory said...

Headteachers are normally the worst of the lot up there with lawyers at covering up

viv said...

So who is this woman who cannot even number a few paras correctly:-))

I think he who should be number 5 could be favourite. I am sure in his capacity as the boss he has been carefully observing Gerry McCann! But there again an accountant would be concerned about the er audit trail!

Claudia, Hun, Nite Nite My Lovely(-)))

bath theory said...

Just googled Hubner and it appears he is a cardiologist, so not sure again now.

bath theory said...

yes audit trail, especially if one is retired and has managed to retire on a nice earner and does not want to be involved with a ddogy scenario in latter years

bath theory said...

From British Journal of Cardiology
Early amiodarone pulmonary toxicity simulating heart failure
Manoj Bhandari, Trevor W Maskell, Ian D Pavord, Peter J Hubner

Yes I am with you Viv on this one

bath theory said...

sweet dreams Claudita

viv said...

Hiya BT

Well those within a given profession all tend to stick together, but there are limits!

Headteachers, how many employment tribunal claims about such bully boys and girls!! IMO if you are a nice person you never get beyond Dept Head, Dep Head:-))) The close personal relationship would also preclude !

bath theory said...

Quoting first CM from Claudia's blog ...(CM)"I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media" ...

THE ETHER OF THE COMMON MAN
We live in a democracy only by name. These ba**ards that lie, and speak sh%t* to get into power are just puppets for bigger even more odious humans ie big business buddies who all stratch backs together and they in turn lick the a**e of huge media conglomerates. It is a big lick a**e fest that runs our countries and no one can do anything to stop it. Most do not even allow themselves to realise the vast amount of hidden agendas that go on in life.

So my point is the McScammers have played their cards well to date by pressing a number of buttons that has tapped into this odious network. But, the ether of the common man stands tall and it swirls and whirls around until suddenly it wraps itself around these sort of people and it either strangles them or eats them up from the inside.

The death of a young girl means nothing to this sort of manipulative, ego & status driven sort. It means zilch,nothing. But to those of us who are not perfect but who can get out of bed with our souls intact say hang on a minute , not so fast, lets look at this and see what may have happened. ie They look behind what they see or hear. It is only by questioning human behaviour, words and actions that mankinds development has evolved and grown. Unfortunately, in every generation that has evolved there have been those who seek to prosper by treading on or stealing from or defrauding their fellow man or child.

Madeleine had no chance did she because she had at 3 yrs old a greater mortal compass than her parents. She had no real chance in this world.

They were 100 per cent negligent but did they kill her too? Who knows but why not? This is such a sick world. Last week I read one newspaper whilst on holiday and it had a headline on a US woman who killed her baby by putting her in a microwave and switching it on
Yes, killed her own child by microwaving her.

Is it possible that G&K killed their own eldest child or covered up a moment of madness. Of course it is - every single human being on this planet knows it is a possibility. The fact that they instantly wanted people to believe in just one scenario gives the issue away in my opinion. But what if you were in that position and you were desperate to conceal the facts you would need more than just your words to convince people out there.

Who could you go to to help control all the countries main newspapers. Maybe the head of the government's media monitoring unit would assist perfectly. You would need to act quickly and you would need to control events and you would need a phone close at hand at all times.

THE ETHER OF THE COMMON MAN HAS NOT FORGOTTEN MADELEINE

bath theory said...

The way they interview for Deputy Head & Head now means it is usually all sown up. The designated one is primed, tipped off and given the 'knowledge' of the latest bullshit procedural ways the local authhority want. In reality, this was always the way but getting in via a cosy chat seems fine to me but through the facade of a huge long interview process stringing others along for the ride is just a charade.

bath theory said...

Yep Brown nosing is what management is all about isn't it in this modern materialistic driven world. Sorry the posh name is 'networking' but I see it as selling one's soul.

bath theory said...

Rest assured my style follows that of Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society. Well Viv my fine words are drying up and I wish you a goodnight along with Dylan and those left. Cheers

viv said...

Hiya BT

It was sickening Senior Managers in the Probation Service who treated me so badly, their only real claim to education, as you say, to be au fait with the latest "procedural" ways. Thoroughly nasty people well versed in the art of doing an investigation but investigating nothing!

Nite nite my friend and it has been good reading you:-)))


Viv x

Cláudia said...

I'm sure some from the shit hole can soon start a support blog. These fall into the same category as João and Leonor Cipriano and Michael Cook, who killed Rachel Charles.
........................................................

Grandad killed wife's daughter Rose, say police

ISRAELI police suspect a four-year-old girl was murdered and dumped in a river by her grandfather and her mother, who were in a romantic relationship, in a case being dubbed Israel's Madeleine McCann.

Police today removed a gag order over the details of the gruesome case which they described as "one of the most shocking in the country's history".

The grandfather, identified as Ronny Ron, 45, lived in the coastal town of Natanya just north of Tel Aviv together with 23-year-old Marie Pisam, a French woman who had emigrated to Israel together with Ron's son Benjamin, with whom she had a daughter named Rose.

Benjamin divorced Marie some three years ago after he found out his wife was having an affair with his father, police said.

Leading police investigator Ilan Ben Shalom said Mr Ron had admitted to beating Rose to death before stuffing her body into a suitcase and throwing it into the Yarkon river in Tel Aviv three months ago.

"I have handled many investigations, but I can't recall a single other investigation that turned all of our stomachs, in which investigators came out of briefings with tears in their eyes," said Mr Ben Shalom.

"Ronny and Marie are involved in the murder and disappearance of Rose," Ben Shalom said.

Although he had reconstructed the murder, Mr Ron later retracted his testimony, Ben Shalom said.

The Times Online reported the story has scandalised the Israeli public. The newspaper reports Marie Pisam and her husband Benjamin travelled to Israel to fulfill Benjamin's wish to meet his biological father for the first time. That man was Ronnie Ron. Mr Ron and Ms Pisam fell in love, and Benjamin returned to France with daughter Rose.

Mr Ron and Ms Pisam married and had two children but when they disovered that Rose, then three years old, was in hospital after allegedly being abused by her father, they fought for custody and brought the little girl to live with them in Israel. By this stage Rose reportedly had severe behavioural problems.

The Jerusalem Post reports lawyer Revital Swid, who represents the two suspects, said Mr Ron had been driving in the car with Rose when he killed her.

"She did something which angered Ronny, and he struck her on the head," Ms Swid told the Jerusalem Post.

"She slumped her head, and Ronny thought she was angry at him for hitting her. He then realised that the blow had killed her, and he panicked - he was terrified by the prospect of facing his partner, Marie. So he drove to the Yarkon River, placed the girl's body in a suitcase, and dumped it into the water," she added.

Police have not ruled out the possibility that Ms Pisem was also in the car at the time.

Body is still missing

Police have yet to locate the four-year-old girl's body.

"We have conducted an extensive search in different places, including the Yarkon river where for several days we applied different means to locate the body," he said.

Police suspect that the murder occurred in May, but the girl's disappearance was only brought to their attention some two weeks ago when her great-grandmother Vivienne contacted welfare authorities. She said her son had told her that Rose had been sent to a boarding school.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24248901-663,00.html

viv said...

Doc, I think you have over-excited the geriatric knitting circle, what with you being a solar powered sex machine, they just cannot stop oohing and ahhhhing about it. They will be needing the services of Gerry if they do not calm down and that is always best avoided:-)))

Cláudia said...

Not sure if some will like the first paragraph, though:

"ISRAELI police suspect a four-year-old girl was murdered and dumped in a river by her grandfather and her mother, who were in a romantic relationship, in a case being dubbed Israel's Madeleine McCann."

viv said...

OMG Claudia what a horrific story about poor abused little Rose, true it does have distinct overtones of the McCann case.

It is truly shocking that children the world over are subjected to such terrible abuse, but not of course, according to the McScams, we are just talking nasty! It is a pity they do not have the capacity to listen to themselves and face reality, then they could show a genuine interest and concern in the human rights of children, not their abusive parents or grandparents!

Viv x

Cláudia said...

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rr.pt%2FInformacaoDetalhe.aspx%3FAreaId%3D11%26ContentId%3D257711&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pt&tl=en

Algarve
25-08-2008 10:09 25-08-2008 10:09

Miss British withdrawal to the mother


A British woman who spent holidays in the Algarve, often leaving his daughter alone in eight years of pension. The situation drew the attention of neighbours who have given warning to the authorities.


The girl was withdrawn to the mother a week ago and is now delivered to a reception centre in Lisbon, linked to early childhood, after crossing the Refuge Aboim and Ascension.

The mother, of 44 years, have problems of depression and alcoholism, so it was being medicada and prohibited from consuming alcoholic beverages.

But, last Friday, have ignored the ban medical and was admitted to hospital in Portimao.

Abandonment of girl is aware of the English consulate in Portimao, which is trying to find a solution with relatives in England.

The center of host Refuge Aboim Ascension, which hosted the English girl, vai today receive the visit of Maria Cavaco Silva.
----------------------------------------------------

Just found another one the child neglecting brigade would like to adopt, certainly. This was on our TVs today. It's a Google translation but you can get the drift. I'm sure soon there will be someone saying the poor lovely mother, who certainly acted well withing the bounds of responsible parenting, must have been framed by social services, the police and very likely the whole population in the Algarve. Here it is not mentioned, but the piece of news on TVI said that it was another British citizen who called the authorities because he was shocked by the situation. So, Mr Anonnymous British Citizen, THANK YOU. If someone had done the same when people noticed Madeleine, Sean and Amelie were left home alone, Madeleine would be home and safe today.

Cláudia said...

The sad truth, my dear friend, is that close family are capable of the most terrible things against children, which makes it even more revolting because children always think that 'evil' is elsewhere and that as long as they are with family, they will be protected and no harm will come to them.

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, dear Viv.
May God always protect the little ones and welcome them when monsters succeed in their depraved, evil actions.

viv said...

Hi Claudia

Depression and heavy alcohol abuse, again the link is there and means children really suffer, so sad!

Why is it that relatives do not intervene sooner to protect needy children, I know I would!

Thanks goodness for concerned neighbours. However, personally I do not feel Maddie would ever have been safe in that household. I have always regretted that the McCanns even bothered to take their children with them. There is no doubt there are other relatives who would have cared for those three little children so well and given them a wonderful time, right here in the UK! Children do not need expensive holidays abroad to be happy, just love and a bucket and spade!

Viv x

Viv x

viv said...

Nite Nite Claudia

It is a very sad truth that children face the very greatest risk from their own parents and other close relatives.

Madeleine is now safe from further harm x

Zodiac said...

'THE ETHER OF THE COMMON MAN HAS NOT FORGOTTEN MADELEINE'

BT your post is brilliant! Wish I had little smiley faces with clapping hands to put on here.

Viv,

I could be very wrong but did BK the uncle not step down at the same time as EMcV (oooh I really do wonder why she did that, I would never have done that if my friend had a child missing presumed abducted just how hard/time consuming would the position have been, surely she could have stayed almost in name only!)from the Board of Directors and was replaced by Corner and one other person? Not sure if it was the other BK or his lawyer, although I would not be surprised if they were all on first name terms with G & K.
I agree with you regarding the not being safe anyway in regard to the missing child, then or even now given how that pair treated all 3 of their children on the family holiday.

I do not usually get the chance to watch the news/TV in the morning. Well I feel so privileged to have seen and listened to a really inspirational lady today. Rosie Swale-Pope she ran 20,000 miles over a period of nearly 5 years through the wilds of Siberia, all through Alaska and more, to raise awareness of prostate cancer after her husband died of the disease and she is also supporting Russian orphans. She broke 5 ribs and crushed some cartilage in Iceland last year and is now suffering from two stress fractures, she had to finish on crutches. Her inspiration came from the Olympic atheletes, the people she met on her journey and all the people suffering from Cancer. 5,000 turned out to greet her in Tenby. I love these words from this truly beautiful woman 'barriers can be broken, you know you can get over difficulties sometimes and when people can't get over them like my husband Clive died, somebody else has to do it for them that's why I am running around the World.' And when asked about the things she has done she says 'I believe he would have loved to have been in Siberia under the stars with the shadowy shapes of the wolves around and being night after night in the forrest, it is amazing how the most beautiful moment and the most terrifying moment is often the same because it was always a fight against the cold'. This incredible woman was entirely on her own she had no back up she had to melt snow to make her drinking water, the coldest temp was -62. She has said she is going to write a book, well I will be buying that book and I will not be surprised if this lovely lady does not donate some or a good chunk of the proceeds to others who suffer. Her journey she says was done out of sorrow and heartbreak and into something happy and worthwhile and if it has saved one life it has been a good thing.'

http://www.rosiearoundtheworld.co.uk/links%20page.htm


What exactly have the McCanns done oh thats right the jogging tennis golf players did not even physically look for their missing little girl, shame on them.

I would walk round the World and back and over and over to find my child, if I thought he/she had been abducted.

Zodiac said...
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Zodiac said...

Should be 'forest'.

'I would walk round the World and back and over and over to find my child, if I thought he/she had been abducted.'

From DE experience I am sure this would not be considered practical, just like actually physically digging up the dirt with ones bare hands was not considered practical. I suppose pratical must be collecting dosh from Joe Public and paying it out somewhere!

Zodiac said...

'Grandad killed wife's daughter Rose, say police

ISRAELI police suspect a four-year-old girl was murdered and dumped in a river by her grandfather and her mother, who were in a romantic relationship, in a case being dubbed Israel's Madeleine McCann.'

Claudia,

Wonder if they will sue?

mandarinn said...

Hi Zodiac, nice post as usual, tks

Is someone here?

Cláudia said...

Hi, Mandarinn!

Zodiac, if they sue, they will have to sue a lot of newspapers. Google Madeleine McCann most recent news and you'll see the titles. Sky, The Times, The Telegraph, etc.

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

I was being my usually lovel sarcastic with the 'sue' comment.

It does look like things are changing. One would hardly call this positive press. Wonder where Clarissa is? Maybe his Pink Blamange is past it's sell by date!

Zodiac said...

'lovely' LOL! Can't find my specs.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, I know you were. Clarissa must be pissed off. How dare they? Aren't titles supposed to be approved before publishing? :-)

Joe said...

Clarissa, a vision of loveliness in pink( Ugh ) I am sure is up to his usual antics and will surface shortly with some other spin. I am sure BK is feeling the pinch now with all the money that he has shelled out. Still there is always the book deal and film to come and what ever they spin off.

There is too much left unanswered now for the McCanns to sue anybody and a risky strategy now that the files are open and the tapas behaviour has left a lot of questions to answer.

mandarinn said...

Hi all
Ijust read about the old year girl in Algarve. I wonder why the ambassor and his staff didn't bother to go to algarve to be informed about the ill mother and the lonely girl. Arn't they as british as the maccans.Don't need this mother and child more rotection than the dodctors with their brunch of friends?
I remenber Orwell and "animals farm", they are all dbritish but some are more british than others... hummmm

mandarinn said...

8 year old child*

mandarinn said...

...and BTW it would be very kind of "generous" BK and other millionairs to help this mother in need to treat herself and can recover to take care of her little girl

Di said...

Good afternoon all

This film the McCanns are supposed to be making should be very interesting indeed. I for one can't wait to see how they overcome all the discrepancies in the Tappas statements, door locked unlocked shutters tampered with, watches or no watches, Jane Tanner's sighting of bundleman should be particularly interesting.

I wonder if it will include the night Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine & Shaun crying for over an hour then the following morning Madeleine asking why her mother did not come. Oh and don't forget Kate and Gerry discussed it for about 10 minutes then did exactly the same thing again.

Quite honestly, I am surprised they are even considering a film as all the inconsistancies would become glaringly obvious, unless Clarence has already written the script that is!!

Joe said...

Mandarinn,

The Ambassador is in his way and there are countless rich benefactors ready to assist......NOT.


Its a class thing I fear. Its the same in every country. Most of us do not count and never will, it all depends on who you know. Sad,cynical but true nevertheless.

As regards the film and inconsistencies.There will be none in the realms of fiction. Perfect mother,father and Tapas friends, all devoted to their children blah blah. We know what to expect.

hope4truth said...

Hi All

Di I cant wait for the film I dont think they realise their story is so full of holes they will sink...

Just read the two newspaper clips at the top of the page and Gerry's is odd as it said the door was at an angle and he wondered if Madeleine had woken up and left the room??? Now they also say there is no way she would have woken up and wandered off but her Father thinks it is possible she did just that. With an unlocked door what was to stop her leaving on her own?

That was obviously not the story they wanted to get out though shame really if they had just been a bit more normal I would have bought it..

Zodiac said...

The film could be called:

My Hand Could Rock the Cradles from the Tapas Bar.

bath theory said...

Or could it be called 'The good , the bad and the ugly' I take Madeleine as being the good.

For those who have not viewed the McCann files today

...The lab tests do not guarantee that Gerry McCann is Madeleine's biological father, according to what a senior official from the National Institute of Forensics Medicine told newspaper 24horas

Gerry McCann may not be Madeleine's father, despite the fact that the couple have always denied this possibility, assuming only that the little girl was conceived through artificial insemination.

At the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared, on the 3rd of May 2007 from the apartment in Praia da Luz, the Polícia Judiciária had serious doubts concerning the little girl's paternity, but the McCann couple always stated that she was a biological daughter.

The doubt about her paternity, according to 24horas, ended up never being explored or taken as relevant for the investigation into the case of the girl's disappearance.

A senior official at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine who was contacted by 24horas confirms that "concerning the twins there is an absolute certainty that they are from Gerry. The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is".

Any thoughts from Amaral over this.

Di said...

Hi Hope

Lovely to see you I have not spoken to you for while.

I totally agree with you regarding Gerry's comment.

Kate also surprised me with her comment that, she wondered if Madeleine had climbed out of the window!! WHAT!!

Well, if the PJ are correct and the sofa was pushed against the window, then yes maybe.. there we have it, Madeleine woke up and climbed out of the window.

Now what are we meant to believe, she was taken in by a lovely couple who have been wanting a beautiful child and will look after her happily ever after.

Can I sleep on that theory please.....

bath theory said...

I repeat this correcting several small spellings etc and because it is the best thing I have writrten for months, so I apologise for my vanity.

Quoting first CM from Claudia's blog ...(CM)"I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media" ...

THE ETHER OF THE COMMON MAN
We live in a democracy only by name. These ba**ards that lie, and speak sh%t* to get into power are just puppets for bigger even more odious humans ie big business buddies who all stratch backs together and they in turn lick the a**e of huge media conglomerates. It is a big lick a**e fest that runs our countries and no one can do anything to stop it. Most do not even allow themselves to realise the vast amount of hidden agendas that go on in life.

So my point is the McScammers have played their cards well to date by pressing a number of buttons that has tapped into this odious network. But, the ether of the common man stands tall and it swirls and whirls around until suddenly it wraps itself around these sort of people and it either strangles them or eats them up from the inside.

The death of a young girl means nothing to this sort of manipulative, ego & status driven sort. It means zilch,nothing. But to those of us who are not perfect but who can get out of bed with our souls intact say hang on a minute , not so fast, lets look at this and see what may have happened. ie We look behind what they see or hear. It is only by questioning human behaviour, words and actions that mankinds development has evolved and grown. Unfortunately, in every generation that has evolved there have been those who seek to prosper by treading on or stealing from or defrauding their fellow man or child.

Madeleine had no chance did she because she had at 3 yrs old a greater moral compass than her parents. She had no real chance in this world.

They were 100 per cent negligent but did they kill her too? Who knows but why not? This is such a sick world. Last week I read one newspaper whilst on holiday and it had a headline on a US woman who killed her baby by putting her in a microwave and switching it on
Yes, killed her own child by microwaving her.

Is it possible that G&K killed their own eldest child or covered up a moment of madness. Of course it is - every single human being on this planet knows it is a possibility. The fact that they instantly wanted people to believe in just one scenario gives the issue away in my opinion. But what if you were in that position and you were desperate to conceal the facts you would need more than just your words to convince people out there.

Who could you go to to help control all the countries main newspapers. Maybe the head of the government's media monitoring unit would assist perfectly. You would need to act quickly and you would need to control events and you would need a phone close at hand at all times.

THE ETHER OF THE COMMON MAN HAS NOT FORGOTTEN MADELEINE

JFM

bath theory said...

Hi Di
Football is back so we can start to guess the results. My Arsenal may well struggel this year. Arsene needs to get his cheque book out and get rid of Gallas as Captain.

bath theory said...

My big prediction of the evening is that Liverpool will go out tonight and Arsenal will win 2-1 against FC Twente. I am watching Arsenal on BBC3 now.

Zodiac said...

BT,

'Gerry McCann may not be Madeleine's father, despite the fact that the couple have always denied this possibility, assuming only that the little girl was conceived through artificial insemination.

At the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared, on the 3rd of May 2007 from the apartment in Praia da Luz, the Polícia Judiciária had serious doubts concerning the little girl's paternity, but the McCann couple always stated that she was a biological daughter.

The doubt about her paternity, according to 24horas, ended up never being explored or taken as relevant for the investigation into the case of the girl's disappearance.

A senior official at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine who was contacted by 24horas confirms that "concerning the twins there is an absolute certainty that they are from Gerry. The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is".'

That explains the, we have our own family now or some such words from GM that has been discussed on 3A's these past few days..

hope4truth said...

Hello DI

Hope you are well...

To think she may have been taken by a kind couple would be wonderful it would be the only outcome that would truly make me happy...

xxx

Di said...

Hello Hope

You and me would love to believe that senario, but I think we are both realistic by now to know that it is just a dream, sad as it is.

Di said...

BT

I can't believe footy is back so soon. AAARRGGHH..

Where has the summer gone??? Sorry what summer :o((

Yes the bets are on.. not that I get anywhere with you..BT

Arsenal 4--0....Oooooppppssss

What! was I saying.

isis said...

Benitez need to get rid of the whole team.

Di said...

Zodiac

I understand what you are saying!!

I have read what Gerry said,very odd!!

Off now..

Enjoy your evening.

hope4truth said...

Di

Sadly you are right...

Where has summer gone??? Or why did it not arrive???

I am off see you soon xxx

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, all of you.
Busy day, today.
Boa noite.

viv said...

Goodnight all

I would just say I have been studying my collection of pictures and Madeleine is the image of Kate, attractive big eyes, nice cupid shaped nose and lips but I cannot see any resemblance at all to Gerry who has quite ugly features IMO. This does not mean he is not the father of course but certainly the likeness is not there. It could also explain how he can manage to be so detached and calculating..and come out with such crass comments where, from the very outset in his own mind, he had already excluded her from "his" family. There were far too many Freudian slips for it to be an accident, IMO it has always displayed what he is actually thinking.

Viv x

nancy said...

Hi Viv!

Whether or not Gerry McCann is the biological father or not, he has certainly never shown a loving father's reactions over the fate of Madeleine; not in interviews, nor on his blog - it's always been about his problems, or day to day activities - it's not the reactions of a grieving father. And how could a grieving father find the inclination to keep a blog anyway - it would be far from the mind of a normal father.

This couple have never shown the emotions of a couple whose daughter has vanished into thin air - that's why the majority of people in the UK, apart from the media and those protecting them, don't believe a word they have uttered since Madeleine's fate was sealed.

After all, what kind of father cashes in on his daughter's disappearance - it has been nothing but a money making venture right from the start for the McCanns and if people can't see that then they are blind! Why else would they be considering making a film for instance, and filling their coffers from every direction. Their excuse would be they need the money to pay expensive detectives - I don't believe a word of it. If the police in every country can't find Madeleine, why would they think these amateur detectives can?

Why don't they put their money where their mouths are, show what caring parents they are by putting up a huge reward and selling everything they own if need be!

But we know and they know that Madeleine won't be back. It's all a charade to keep on making as much as they can and to cover up their negligence as parents.

Nx

hope4truth said...

Hi ALL

Nancy I can never understand why the reward has not been publicised more? I think it is 2 million yet they never use it as a "Marketing Opportunity" to get their Daughter back...

They tell us there is no reason to belive Madeleine has been harmed (and then tell us they believe she is with a Peadophile ring) which IMHO anyone who despises Peadophiles or thinks they are evil Bastards who should be hung by their nether reigions would never think their children would be unharmed if with this scum? In fact I dont know how I would function if I thought my child was going through hell with the scum of the earth.

Yet if they really believe this surley the reward should be pushed at every oportunity the fact it is not is very odd...

They neglected their children have lied and refused to help Police in any way and Kate showed how little she cared by not even bothering to answer questions that may have helped to find her daughter which is unforgivable then again if she can forgive herself so quickly for being a selfish parent why should she bother to help the police.

You can see how happy they both are the camera never lies unlike the McCann's. Looking forward to the film the more they put on camera the more holes apear...

Off now see you all later x

viv said...

Hiya Nancy

I entirely agree with your comments generally about the bizarre conduct and attitudes displayed by Gerry McCann. As you say what distraught father would blog about it! The blog was clearly about selling themselves to the public to fulfill their ultimate aims of books films and lots of money. I do not think he has bargained for the public backlash against that, and I am very pleased the PJ file and Goncalo's book has been released so that no serious minded person could be in any doubt about what we are dealing with here.

All this posturing about they are going to sue firstly Goncalo and then the PJ, but they speak the truth, speak only of the evidence collected and their threats are sick and empty. If it has destroyed Gerry McCann' sickening plans, then it really does serve him right.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE !

vIV X

viv said...

Hope hiya to you too!

You make another excellant point - what normal parent who lost their child and GENUINELY wanted to find her, would just ignore a massive reward for her safe return.

All this so called publicity, they want to keep her image out there but they never once mention the reward, we know why that is!

I hope they stay in Ireland but then that is unfair to the Irish !

Viv x

bath theory said...

Good point to raise again Viv, any parent who was knocked out by their eldest vanishing would be constantly re-iterating the millions available as a reward as it is only that which would have a chance to tempt someone to offer information. It implies that they are not acting the way a parent would if their child was genuinely kidnapped or abducted.

Maybe they could reward themselves the million and then walk down to the local station and tell ALL they know about that week.

I mean they used the fund to finance the nortgage pretty quickly didn't they so maybe the monies are being syphoned. Who knows but certainly a valid question to ask where it has all disappeared. There must be an evidence trail as it is money.

bath theory said...

Don't see Rhys Jones' dad blogging away do you. He a quiet dignity that puts the Doctors to shame (IMO)

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

Powerful post there. It also demonstrates very well that although there have been so many strange actions and words emanating from the McCanns and their entourage of defendants, the whole charade boils down to three things. Ego, lies and money. Of course those three are the building blocks of power when one takes their connections into consideration.

Of course we already saw them attempt to influence the halls of power earlier this year. But some believe Gerry may be aiming a little higher than that.

Cláudia said...

Hey, Doc! :-)

docmac said...

Hey, Claudia :-)

Cláudia said...

Are you back home? :-)

docmac said...

Yes, got back just before 7am.

bath theory said...

Doc
Just one question if I may. My wife is a psychologist and not a Doctor but she believes if a child of 3yrs of age was sexually abused it would probably kill her from internal bleeding etc. Is that likely and if so if a Doctor thought that their child had been taken by a paedophile gang but was not harmed by that gang they would know their words were not correct. Just a small question but one which has crossed my mind several times. If a wicked barbarious adult assaulted a minor of 3 yrs of age or so would it more than likely kill that child?

bath theory said...

A horrific subject but alas it is a taboo subject that is unfortunately grounded in the dark reality of man's inhumanity. A recent old run of Inspector Morse I was watching focussed on such a topic. Alas, such deeds are found in real life.

docmac said...

Hi BT

The little experience I have in the sexual abuse of children was way back in 1989/90 - thank goodness. In the case of rape it is of course a complex and multi-discplinary surgical problem (on the medical side). Although the injuries can be quite horrific, my guess, extrapolating from those early experiences, would be that most, other than infants, in fact survive. It's not really something I want to go and research though.

docmac said...

Oh, in answer to the second part of your question. One would assume that a paedophilic stranger would not take a child for medical attention, especially not if the case is a high profile one.

The cases I remember were isolated incidents, all of which were committed by a family member or someone else very close to the child and prompt attention was sought.

In light of the injuries which were commonly caused, I would hazard a guess that in cases of serial abuse there would be absolutely no chance of survival in a victim of that age.

Wizard said...

Hi All,

All this talk of paedophile rings and the McCanns believing Madeleine is still alive is a theory to consider if and only if the dogs hadn’t picked up the scent of a corpse in the apartment and the wheel well of her parents hired car. This evidence may not be acceptable in court on its own but it is a very clear indicator of what happened here and shows beyond doubt, as far as I am concerned, their was no abduction.

docmac said...

Wizard

Exactly. The above was a brief theoretical discourse. In the Madeleine case it is irrelevant IMO. But it does demonstrate that the spin is a load of kek.

Zodiac said...

IMO, the no evidence she has been harmed is translated in their speak there is no evidence we harmed her. Don't think Eddie and Keela would agree with them though.

nancy said...

Good afternoon all -

Wizard -

Exactly! The dogs' evidence is vital in this case and shouldn't be brushed aside as not proven! Just what was the point of taking those wonderful perceptive animals to the scene where Madeleine disappeared if their evidence is going to be dealt with out of hand! As I've said before, if those dogs had found evidence of a paedophile, the reaction of the McCann clan would have been completely different!

Docmac - nice to see you back safe and sound and on tierra firma! (Spanish spelling)!!

Sorry I'm not blogging on much lately, but we always have family and friends over in the school holidays so I don't get too much time right now!

See you all later!


Nx

Cláudia said...

Sorry, Doc. had to go out and my internet connection is very unstable today. Good you're back. :-)
As for what you've been talking about, I don't even want to comment. I would certainly disrespect some of the human rights. Like I said before, I'm against the death penalty as a principle. But I could open an exception for these perverts.

docmac said...

Thanks Nancy

Enjoy your family and friends.

Claudia

You know I'm not going to agree, but I'm also not going to argue!

hope4truth said...

Hey Claudia

If you are around do you know when the book will be available in English???? Can never think what to buy people for Christmas may just buy 20 odd books and some vouchers xxx

Cláudia said...

Doc, I know. :-)
Let's just say I do not wish those perverts a long, happy, healthy life. :-)

Hope, I'm not sure. But something tells me that it is very likely that you'll be able to buy them for Christmas.

Cláudia said...

Hope, a little bird told me it will be soon. Don't know just how soon.

Cláudia said...

Of course that those who are fluent in Spanish will be able to buy it really soon. It will be published in Spain in the beginning of September if my memory doesn't fail me.

Cláudia said...

Oh my

docmac said...

Does anyone..

..have any idea as to the number of Brits who have never travelled outside their own village? Or further afield than the UK? Or even continental Europe?

There seem to be quite a number in each group, according to what I have just read on the other side regarding safari tents. Oh dear, perhaps at up to £3500 a night out of season they just don't spot these when they do their 'under £49' searches. Or maybe they are just as dof as I thought.

Just for them, 'Brangelina' paid the equivalent of £178000 for 8 days in a tent. I wonder if they had a loo? lolol!!!

Cláudia said...

bliss

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