31 Aug 2008

PJ INTERESTED IN GERRY'S MASTERCARD SPENDING

Very interesting choice of picture for Diario to use with the article below. They do say you have to speculate to accumulate and this looks to me like a load of printing Gerry had done, did he use his Mastercard for that, knowing he would be well reimbursed. Let us not forget this couple used the Fund monies to pay their mortgage, that seriously smacks of fraud and also a couple whose finances are not exactly in good order. Clearly one would normally expect such a couple to have several thousand pounds in reserve and definitely not need to be dip into a fund ostensibly to find their missing daughter. Remember Gerry's furious remark that they were ultimately being forced to use the Find Maddie Fund, to find Maddie!! given the PJ were only looking for her body. Gerry McCann has another criminal trait I have noted that is not an endearing one either, a clear sense of entitlement, he says what is going to happen, what the agenda is and then reacts with fury when the Police are far too intelligent to agree with him! That sly smug look is omnipresent and she clings to her stage prop, reeking of eau de corpse, not nice Kate, time to tell the truth!
The report below gives me cause for concern. It is understandable that the PJ wanted to know about cash withdrawals, use of his Mastercard and the amount of time spent on his mobile by Gerry McCann both before and after the disappearance of Madeleine. I do not think it was at all "disproportionate" for the PJ to want details of the transactions on Gerry's Mastercard for a period of six months. On the contrary in a major criminal investigation apparently involving fraud or financial problems being the motivation for murder it would be perfectly normal for police to scrutinise all financial transactions for a period of years, let alone months.



What are the British Police and the Home Office about? On the one hand there are so many indicators that they are taking this seriously and wish to pursue the McCanns. I particularly took heart when reading the comments of the barrister for the Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police in the High Court action the McCanns commenced demanding disclosure of all files held by LP in an action they themselves apparently started within days of Madeleine disappearing making her a Ward of Court. The barrister stressed that this case was very much still under investigation and there were operational reasons for not disclosing such details to the McCanns. But on the other hand this report is another example of where there does seem to be a clear failure to co-operate with Portuguese Police which does seem to have motivated them to abandon their own enquiry. I think there are two ways of looking at this, one there is a cover up by British authorities and a clear denial of relevant information to the Portuguese. I know a lot of people favour this view. The second is that in the UK serious investigations are dealt with in an extremely confidential way, information is not leaked to the newspapers, unless it is a strategic measure in relation to certain information to further the enquiry, generally where a direct appeal to the public is being made for help and information. Therefore there may have been concern that ultimately, whatever we disclosed to the Portuguese authorities could either be revealed to the McCanns and the general public via the Portuguese press or, ultimately, via the opening up of the investigation as has now happened. Have we therefore deliberately held vital information back to further our own enquiry into the conduct of the McCanns? Increasingly, I feel this is a very real possibility. I have read that the specialist Economic Crimes Unit at LP have also been investigating this case. This is very pertinent to the facts of this case and IMO always has been. It has been abundantly clear from a very early stage that amassing large amounts of money are very important to the McCanns and that they used Madeleine as a marketing logo employing a number of firms specialising in this area to further that aim, like Mr Halligen for example. He has no expertise at all in finding missing children does he. The McCanns are clearly worried that his name has come out in the press and the fact that this man has apparently been "axed". It would seem he was not assisting in protecting the McCanns' image at all and therefore he had to go! Quite why that is of so much concern to their DG pal remains a mystery but I have a view as to why he may be involved and so concerned. In fact it would seem, even seeking to placate Mr Murat for the wrong done to him by the false accusations.... of paedophilia, something the apparent supporters of Kate and Gerry McCann do not think we should be discussing on here. Well that clearly tells us something. However, I sometimes wonder whether they really are on Kate and Gerry's side. Their blogs are such sick and sinister places with the comments filled with hatred, venom and very perverse thinking which would not occur to a normal person. Could they really be trying to demonstrate, by association what Kate And Gerry are really like, as they so accurately portray : sinister, sick and evil!



JUSTICE FOR MADDIE, NO MATTER WHAT ROUTE THAT MAY TAKE, IF IT MEANS EXPOSING CORRUPTION THAT IS WHAT WE CONTINUE TO DO!









Request for research on the accounts of Gerry is disproportionate British authorities saw no reason to justify research bank to the father of Maddie



The Portuguese police have asked the British authorities to investigate the collaboration of Gerry McCann bank accounts under the disappearance of Maddie. However, this request was considered excessive by the British authorities, since they covered a period of six months. Initially the authorities requested a clarification to the public prosecutor Portuguese, who best explained the reasons for the request: to identify whether there was some unknown reason behind the disappearance of Maddie and whether there is any individual or individuals responsible for their disappearance. The English authorities did not accept the request for clarification of Portugal and, in its letter of reply, sent the June 16, voicing concern about the reasons that led the authorities to request information on banking operations for six months, the credit card of Martercad Maddie's father. The counting of this period of time began to April 1, about six weeks before the disappearance of the child. Despite the official explanation of the Portuguese authorities, British police also took into account an unofficial explanation provided by the research team which visited England. At the time the police said Gerry McCann from Leicestershire which had been seen to raise cash in machines and talk to the phone. The Portuguese police wanted to know whether this action could be related to the disappearance. Kennah Francs, head of UK Central Authority, explains that after weighting in the application of coercive measures, the office, sees no reason to grant the permit requirements, whereas the request is not justified and seem disproportionate. The British authorities seeking clarification new to Portugal, however, this is not sent and the case is filed just over a month later. Without evidence that the couple McCann has committed any crime, the MP decided to close the case. On July 21, Kate and Gerry, along with Robert Murat, views raised the status of accused.

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viv said...

When you think of both Kate and Gerry and their whining. self-centred demands the cap really fits does it not! They are "entitled" to as much money as they can possibly make out of their dead daughter, no one else is entitled to do so and they are entitled to be believed, implicitly by everyone! Tough luck I say, they can go and sulk!

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/12/sense-of-entitlement.html
A Sense of Entitlement

In psychiatry we use the term "sense of entitlement" to describe the outrageous attitude of some of our more narcissistic clients who believe that the world "owes" them and they want to collect NOW. Patients with this type of attitude always want more. Whatever you do is never good enough for them, and they also generally show no gratitute or express any thanks--even when someone goes out of their way for them. Like the most spoiled of royalty, they merely expect that they should be the center of your world at all times.

This attitude is normally seen in toddlers, who want what they want and they want it now. Every parent has had to deal with this kind of whining. When you see this attitude repeatedly in an adult, then you know you are dealing with psychopathology. Many adults whimper at the slightest inconvenience, delay, or restriction. Why? Because, like toddlers, they are convinced they deserve what they want when they want it. They are "entitled" to it.

viv said...

More of that staging, as written out on Maddie's ripped up story books..that they knew she would not be needing any more, this does really upset me! Your beloved child has just disappeared, you start ripping up her books to write out what you ar going to tell the police, not a trace of concern for something she sat and held and no doubt loved. would you not wish to keep all her things carefully preserved, even in case you got her back?

Matthew David Oldfield statement
The hearing begins on 04/05/2008 at 11h30. It was done under the presence of the Inspector Patricia D. As in previous statements, the deponent does not dominate the Portuguese language, requested a “sworn” translator. This is Angela F.M. and as in previous statements, the audience was read again, explaining its contents. Having agreed on their statements, the deponent is ratified and signed jointly with the original “sworn” translator. It is a normal procedure since the outset of the hearings. The translator, when signing, is committed to justice in terms of authenticity of their translations.
The statement
On the field, the deponent said:
By his own voluntarily and spontaneously he made his statement under this act.
That he is on holiday in Portugal from April 28, 2007 and is located at the Ocean Club in PDL. He will return to England on Saturday, May 5, 2007. He knows the parents of Madeleine since about five years ago. The little will be 4 years next week. They were spending their holidays together with Madeleine and her parents. They came as a group and this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diana, David and Fiona (kids: Scarlett and Lily), and Jane Russell (daughters: She and Evie), Rachael (daughter: Grace), respectively the wife and daughter of the deponent, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins two years - and Madeleine).
The idea of spending the holidays in Portugal was given by the couple David and Fiona and they are the ones who reserved the hotel. This reservation was made 4 or 5 months before. Since he arrived to Portugal until last night, the days were developed in the same way. In the morning the group was awakened between 06h30 and 08h00 and they all, walk up to the "Millennium" about 10 minutes from the complex. Only Madeleine’s parents, Madeleine and the twins had breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that the three children are still too small.
After breakfast, he left children in the "Kids Club" of the complex. Madeleine and Ella went to the mini club for their age and the other children went to another club for younger children. At lunchtime, the practice was to gather in one of the apartments occupied by the group to take lunch with children. During the afternoon, children made a nap in their respective room under the supervision of an adult. The other adults practiced sports activities inside the compound. After the nap children were returning to "Kids Club".
About 16h45, children had dinner at the “TAPAS” restaurant in the resort. After dinner, children went yet to play to the game zone inside the complex under the supervision of adults. Around 20h00, children went to sleep and, towards 20h30, adults dine at the “TAPAS” restaurant "tap". While they had dinner, the children slept in their respective apartment without continuous surveillance of an adult. The deponent added that since the restaurant is at approximately 1 minute of the rooms, one of the adults at random, would often see children in the rooms.
That, in the context of the activities of "Kids Club", Madeleine had gone to the beach in the company of employees of the Kids Club, but that he does not know how many times they did this activity. The remaining activities were inside the resort. The deponent states that the apartment of the parents of Madeleine and their children is right before their own.
The development of the afternoon
The deponent said that yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, like other nights, at approximately 20h45, he and his wife, left her daughter sleeping in an apartment and headed toward the restaurant "TAPAS". When they arrived to the restaurant, Gerry and Kate, Madeleine’s parents were already there. They would have arrived to the restaurant 5 minutes before them. About 5 minutes after the deponent and his wife, the rest of adults arrived too. The last couple to arrive to the restaurant were David and Fiona. They arrived to the restaurant around 21h00.
At about 21h05, the deponent went to the area of the apartments. Specifically, at the area of the windows of children’s rooms. He heard no noise. He thought that all children slept. All windows of the children’s rooms were closed, including windows that give access to the fourth apartment, the one occupied by Madeleine. That after this check he goes back to the restaurant saying that all children were sleeping. However, Gerry, Madeleine’s father, headed towards the area of the apartments to check, he, too, if the children were sleeping. That Gerry would have gone into his apartment and found that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their room where everything was quite dark. The room door was partially open. That, 5 minutes later, Gerry returned to the restaurant with the group.
Following a question raised by the inspector, the deponent doesn’t know when Gerry checks on children, if he met someone, he didn’t tell him.
During the dinner, it was normal that every 15 minutes (like the previous nights) one of the adults went to the rooms to see if the children were sleeping. Normally this check was done within the rooms (visual check). But that, to be honest, sometimes this test was done only from the outside, by the windows of the rooms (hearing check).
As normal, dinner began at 21h30.
At around 21h25, the deponent returned to his apartment and Madeleine’s apartment to check on children. He pointed out that the door of the bedroom apartment, occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was among open and that there was sufficient clarity in the room so that he could see the twins in their cribs. That he could not see the bed occupied by Madeleine but like everything was calm, inferred that she slept. That, the clarity referred to, was an artificial light but not inside the room but rather from outside through the bedroom window. That, he thought that the shutter of the window of the couple's bedroom was open without knowing if the window was, too.
The apartment has two bedrooms, a living room, a kitchen and a bathroom. The window of the couple’s room is visible from the restaurant. The children’s windows had access to the road outside the resort. Then the deponent returns to the restaurant
The twins occupy two cribs placed in the centre of the room and Madeleine occupied a bed backed against the wall in front of the wall that has two windows that give access to the exterior of the complex. The door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. He doesn’t know if it was common for Madeleine’s parents to leave the door closed in this way because it was visible from the restaurant.
Around 22h00, Kate, Madeleine’s mother, returned to her apartment to check on their children. She returned completely affected and screaming, saying that Madeleine was not already in her room. At that time all adults were at the restaurant. Then the whole group returned to Madeleine's room and found that the twins were sleeping well. There was no sign of robbery in the apartment. Only the window of children's room was open. The roller shutters and window were open.
During holiday, and in particular during yesterday and during dinner, the deponent did not see anything abnormal. There was no change in the behaviour of the elements of the group, particularly in that of Kate or Gerry or their children.
Question: And outside the group?
No, nothing abnormal and does not know whether something special happened. The resort is quiet and usually nothing abnormal happens. During the day the children were supervised by employees of the Kids Club. He doesn’t know whether Madeleine suffers an illness or if she takes medicines. Madeleine is very energetic, obedient, communicative and extroverted. Madeleine's parents are very sociable, communicative, cheerful and prudent. The couple have an excellent relationship with their children who do not make a difference in treatment of one another. The three children were highly desired by the couple, both being the result of fertilization "in vitro".
The deponent thinks that this abduction was fulfilled with intent to seek a ransom for parents. To the extent, that they are financially well-off people.

nancy said...

Good morning Viv -

The last sentence above by Matt Oldfield:

"the deponent thinks that this abduction was fulfilled with the intent to seek a ransom for the parents, to the extent that they are financially well off people".

Why would a would be abductor or paedophile think that Kate and Gerry were well off? Renting an average apartment in a Warner complex wouldn't exactly be the choice of someone rich would it?

Bearing in mind they've since used the fund they set up to find Madeleine to pay mortgage instalments makes what Oldfield said absolute nonsense!

Also all these parents just listening at doors instead of actually looking to see the children were all in their beds just shows how completely neglectful they all were! Jane Tanner had reportedly seen a man carrying a child but hadn't mentioned it and still none of them actually looked properly!

What a bunch of numbskulls they really are and to think they are in the caring medical profession!! I'm just glad I don't have to rely on their professional services!

nancy said...

Hiya Viv -

Thanks for the new thread - it certainly gives food for thought! It would be diabolical if there has been any sort of cover up between the UK and Portugese authorities, especially as this case involves a young child's disappearance. If it was an abduction as is being sold to the whole world by the McCanns and CM, then all of the tapas children were in danger that night!

Whatever the media might say in defence of the McCanns, we know and they know that there is much more to this case than meets the eye and that there has never been any evidence whatsoever of an abduction! Just why are they all so frightened - I can't think it's just because they are worried about being sued because their circulation would escalate overnight if any of them had the guts to come out and say what they really think! I think there is something much more sinister going on than worrying about legal actions!

All will be revealed one day as sure as eggs are eggs I'm sure!


Nx

bath theory said...

Two thoughts this morning.

1) The law is basically a game played between academic people who try their best to gain victory for their clients. It is not practically based in ethics or morality as personified by the common man and becuase it basically boils down to a game the vast majority of cases are open to a lottery as to whether justice takes place. It does happen but remember these barristers drink and socialise with each other after a day in court and they do so in the same clubs. All senior judges get knighted and the barristers who perform in front of them are keen to impress/comply so they can give them a leg up. They form a big part of the establishment. Which brings me to the point that very few people who are underpriveleged in society get dealt with fairly. The politicians juggle and duck and dive and ponce/pimp off the people it claims to represent and big business makes money largely off the back of the majority, who struggle financially and therefore as a result end up emotionally fragile and too busy to fight back (usually but not always).
In short, the legal system rarely delivers justice as seen and perceived by the man/woman in the street. It delivers something that works for itself ie the establishment. A process of give and take. We'll let this happen but in return we want this. In some countries they use the death penalty for a person who steals a small amount of money in order to feed their children that day but let the big cheeses who have embezzled literally billions out of the country (usuallly politicians in collusion with bent judges)free to continue to do their business,smile,breath air etc. the establishment of any society protects its own and especially so through its legal system.

2) Why do the Mcscammers need a former Head of the government's media control/manipulation unit to represent them? Well, it embeds them firmly in the establishment club and thus they become a 'protected' party. The question is how long will this protection last as they do not really belong there. Their background is not elite. Only then will they be forced to represent themselves and the real story will unfold. Without a body (dead or alive) these two are well placed to get away with it unless the EVIDENCE becomes overwhelming at a legal level. It is already overwhelming for the common man in the street to want to see them in court but that means diddleysquat.

I am someone who believes it is better to have a guilty person get away with something than an innocent man convicted. It should not reach that point ever but alas it does many times. As you all know I think these two are in it up to their eyeballs and I feel time will get them but I am merely trying to explain how I believe the system has so far 'protected' them.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

I see that in regard to Leicestershire Police, on 3A there is a call for a "day of action" tomorrow to ask by e-mail, fax and phone to ask what the Police are about.

The main point is the link on their web site to the "Fund" but their lack of co-operation with the PJ is also an issue.

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

ICTOAN,

Fiona Phillips of GMTV is leaving the breakfast show half way through her £1.5 million contract. She says it is to spend time with her children, you know the two that were found howling out in corridor of a hotel she was staying at. The staff had to come and fetch her as she had left them sleeping whilst she ate a meal in the restaurant with her husband (I think). I saw her and 2/3 other GMTV women on the front cover of Woman magazine last week ( before this announcement from her) with bold print stating one to be axed, booted or something like that. I thought as I looked at the pic, hope it is the child neglector that supports child neglectors that is booted off, looks like she has done the cowardly thing and crawled off before being booted, imo. She leaves in December.

Nancy,

'The deponent thinks that this abduction was fulfilled with intent to seek a ransom for parents. To the extent, that they are financially well-off people.'

What a bunch of full of sh*t peeps they are. Yes they are so well off they had to use the Fund to pay two mortgage payments. Where they stayed looked like they dripped of money, not! Seek a ransom, WTF, there is £1/£2 million sitting somewhere for the return of the child yet the parents never mention it just like they never talk to their missing child. With the amount of publicity afforded to them, yet no messages to their daughter.

I was brought up with the Philosophy, always have at least six months pay in savings for a rainy day.

BBFN

Cláudia said...

Good morning all and good afternoon one! :-)
Just for the sake of it, the thing about the ransom because they were well off is pathetic. I can guarantee you that turist who have money, I mean who really have money do not holiday where the Tapas 9 holidayed. Turists who are well off have lots of luxurious hotels where they stay. That resort has nothing luxurious about it. The prices are quite reasonable even for Portuguese standards.
I also found it extremely ironic that MO said that in the afternoon, where everybody was in the apartment, the children took a nap with an adult's supervision. However, at night, the kids were all left home alone while the parents dined checked at regular intervals. Interesting that.

docmac said...

Afternoon :-)

Yes, Claudia. £1500 for a week is cheap as chips. That would be enough for a bed in the African bush for one person for one night only. Without the tent :-)))

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Doc mac
I'm thinking of going on an African Safari overnight stay, 50 miles from where I live at a tenth of the price you quoted.

http://www.totallywild.net/portlympne
/index.php?p=Livingstone_Lodge

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOL.
Quite reasonable prices even for the Portuguese reality, especially taking into account it was half board. And you all have seen the type of rooms they were staying in. Far from luxurious. I did not stay in a luxurious place at all when I was on holiday and the rooms were a lot better than those. In a luxurious place they would pay something between 2500 to 3000€ with breakfast only for a week (two adults and 3 children).

docmac said...

ICTOAN

You'll be staying in a luxury tent then ;-) Looks nice, food sounds good too.

It is quite small and some of the animals are not from Africa, but it could whet your appetite for more. I don't know off-hand how large the big parks in Tanzania and Kenya are, but I can tell you that Kruger is bigger than the Netherlands :-)

docmac said...

Claudia, I must find out how to type the Euro symbol on this keyboard. £ is Alt+0163.

Yes, makes one wonder why this bunch chose that resort. Could not have just been the tennis, surely?

docmac said...



Heehah! Alt+0128.

Wizard said...

Today’s article is food for thought. Oldfield’s statement tells us that firstly at lunch it was usual for everyone to gather at one of T9 apartments for lunch with the children. On the 3rd May the McCanns did not do this. (Change from normal) In the late afternoon after picking the children up from the crèche the T9 went to the beach restaurant with the kids – again the McCanns were not there (Change from normal). He says yesterday was identical to every other one. Well not quite if the Mcs were missing from all the usual get togethers with the kids on 3rd May - only the get together without the kids sees them present.

Oldfield desperately tries to convince the interviewer that the children were checked every 15 minutes, no doubt to cover his back from any neglect charges. We know clearly this was not the case as on the 1st May Madeleine was crying uncontrollable for well over an hour. Whether this was just the McCanns who were neglectful on 1st May is unlikely some or all of them were imo. What we see are them uniting to cover up for multiple child neglect. In light of what happened they are very aware, despite what they say, of the dangerous situation they placed their young children in.

Oldfield and Gerry tell us the bedroom window was shut when they visited 5A and only found open when Kate went back at 10.00pm. It’s likely imo the staging called for the window to be open and K opened it as part of the abduction scenario hence her finger prints on the inside of the window and no one else’s.

I think we forget it was not usual for the women to check on the children during the T9’s evening’s eating and drinking at the tapis bar. Therefore for Kate to check on the 3rd May was again unusual as was Tanners 9.15pm visit to check on her children. (Change from normal).

Cláudia said...

£ Control+Alt+3
€ Control+Alt+5

:-)
Doc, I don't know about the UK. In Portugal doctors make good money (especially if they practice privately). But they cannot be considered rich people. Especially if they work only part-time. Rich people do not need help to pay their mortgages if they don't work for some months. And rich people certainly don't holiday in the OC resort. What made them choose it, I don't know.

Wizard said...

Usual or unusual?

I’ve have just been continuing my thoughts on the break from routine on May 3rd.

Was it usual for none of the T9 to see Madeleine or her siblings all day?

Was it usual for none of the T9 not to see Kate for most of the day as on 3 May?

Was it usual for no one at all to see Kate during the day as on May 3rd?

Why can no one confirm that Madeleine was at the tennis courts on 3rd May having her first tennis lesson? O’Donnell says she did not see her and no one else has come forward.

The Ocean Club was far from full so early in the season would it be usual for none of the other guests to see the “last photo” of Madeleine being taken?

Why did the Mcs break from routine on 3rd May and not have lunch with their children and other members of the T9?

Why did the Mcs break from routine on 3rd May and not take the children to eat with the other T7kids at the beach restaurant after the crèche had finished?

Why did two women, KM and JT, check their children on night of 3rd May breaking away from the usual routine of men only checking?

Is it usual for highly trained sniffer dogs to be wrong when they detected the smell of a corpse in apartment 5A and the tyre well of the hired car?

Is it usual for a mother when finding her child not where she left her to assume someone had taken her as apposed to initially thinking the child had wandered off?

docmac said...

Hi Wizard

I don't believe any of them checked at all, ever.

Claudia, those shortcuts must be a European thing. Don't work for me, not even in Word.

Cláudia said...

Doc, it mus be something typical of third world keyboards! ;-)

docmac said...

Don't trust them third world Koreans, Claudia :-))

docmac said...

Sshhh!

There's only Rosiepops and three proxy-protected visitors on the pink blog right now. I think a post is brewing :-)

docmac said...

Next post should be here.

Oh dear, someone has upset the 'Portuguese' poster ;-)

docmac said...

There's a thread on 3a titled "things you LIKE about the mccanns and co".

I ROTFL when I saw this reply:

"I like the fact that KM's moustache is bigger than mine, but her chest isn't."

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOLOLOL
You mean those little, suspicious looking people? No, I only trust blonde, blue eyed people. ;-)
Oh my, if it happens, please, let me know, I could not miss it for the world. It's certainly better than the opening or closing ceremony of the Olimpic Games.
And, of course, I always learn how to improve my English. :-)
I'm watching Chelsea play! :-)

Cláudia said...

"I like the fact that KM's moustache is bigger than mine, but her chest isn't."

LOLOL

Cláudia said...

Doc, can you sum it up? I haven't been to the pink sewer for a very long time. I do not believe that is a Portuguese citizen at all. Not because of her position regarding the McCanns. No true Portuguese citizen could comment on a place where her country, her people, her institutions, her police forces and her culture are trashed, even if that person believed the McCanns to be completely innocent and responsible parents (yikes!). Most likely a foreign national living in portugal for many years. There is also another possibility. Someone in trouble with the law. They tend not to likethe police. Those who respect the law, like I do, have nothing but respect for those who make my country a safer place everyday. And if something, God forbid, ever happens to me or to the ones I love, those are the mean and women I'll call. Immediately, of course.

docmac said...

Chelsea's playing?

I'll go and boil an egg then.

docmac said...

I did say 'Portuguese'. I agree with you completely. Not going to post anything from there. It'll put me off my egg :-)

BBL

Cláudia said...

I noticed you did. :-)
It's a draw so far. Chelsea 1 - Tottenham 1.
See you later. :-)

viv said...

Wizard said...
Usual or unusual?

I’ve have just been continuing my thoughts on the break from routine on May 3rd.

Was it usual for none of the T9 to see Madeleine or her siblings all day?

Was it usual for none of the T9 not to see Kate for most of the day as on 3 May?

Was it usual for no one at all to see Kate during the day as on May 3rd?

Why can no one confirm that Madeleine was at the tennis courts on 3rd May having her first tennis lesson? O’Donnell says she did not see her and no one else has come forward.

The Ocean Club was far from full so early in the season would it be usual for none of the other guests to see the “last photo” of Madeleine being taken?

Why did the Mcs break from routine on 3rd May and not have lunch with their children and other members of the T9?

Why did the Mcs break from routine on 3rd May and not take the children to eat with the other T7kids at the beach restaurant after the crèche had finished?

Why did two women, KM and JT, check their children on night of 3rd May breaking away from the usual routine of men only checking?

Is it usual for highly trained sniffer dogs to be wrong when they detected the smell of a corpse in apartment 5A and the tyre well of the hired car?

Is it usual for a mother when finding her child not where she left her to assume someone had taken her as apposed to initially thinking the child had wandered off?

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Thanks for such a great post Wizard. In addition to the above we also know Kate was upset the night before, she was shouting loud and out of control and she would not sleep with Gerry. She had grab marks to her arms. We also know that Kate and Gerry tell us that Madeleine complained about being left alone that morning, but did she? I have always felt that the McCanns actually emphasised their negligence to make it possible for Madeleine to be abducted. Why did Gerry even tell the Wilkins how neglectful they were. I recall the article in the Guardian and her descriptions of Gerry and the fact she did not see Madeleine, I think she was telling us something.

What were Kate and Gerry really arguing about the night before, maybe it was to do with what Gerry had planned for "her" child.

I think it is odd that Gerry uses the word "hyperactive" to describe Madeleine because this is a medical condition, perhaps brought about by food allergies, that can cause seriously disruptive and unpleasant behaviour in a child. Many parents use this term loosely simply to mean the children were boisterous and my three boys were but in a medical man he would know this has a precise meaning, so why did he say that, clearly saying there was something wrong with Madeleine or some reason why Kate would lose control with her?? As you know I am not at all convinced that Kate killed Madeleine, if she did I think she may have been driven to it in a way due to her treatment by him and perhaps lack of acceptance/treatment of mental health problems following the birth of three little children in quick succession and in a woman who was not young by childbearing standards.

Viv x

nancy said...

Bath Theory -

"The law is basically a game between academic people who try their best to gain victory for their clients"

Your very profound post this morning confirms just what most of us 'common' people have thought about those belonging to the legal profession who sit in their feathered nests protected from the cruel world where it's not what you know but who you know that counts.

However, the wheel turns and I think the McCann's will be dislodged from their secure position as and when those protecting them turn their faces away in order to save their own high and mighty positions. This will be when the McCann's contradict themselves and their actions on that night once too often and stitch themselves up!

bath theory said...

Completely agree Nancy and as I said in that post they do not belong to this 'club' by schooling or birth and thus I agree that the link will break and when it does Justice for Madeleine will come quickly.

viv said...

Hiya both I think the links in the chain have rusted through. If you search for news about the McCanns on google you do not get the Pink Spinsters rubbish any more you get this very damning headline from three major British Newspapers The Times, The Telegraph and The Daily Mail:

'Israeli Madeleine McCann' was killed by grandfather, say ...

The articles go on to describe how police do not believe the child was simply killed by a heavy handed blow but was subjected to systematic abuse. These three papers have been extremely Pro-McCann with The Daily Mail in particular regularly reporting exactly what the Pink Spinster wanted them to say. Now he and the McCanns are silent and the association with the Israeli case, first spotted by Claudia, could not be more potent or damning to the gruesome twosome.

I entirely agree about our own adversarial legal system by the way. Each side paints a picture for the court or jury, it is a question of who can paint the best picture and convince the court that their version represents the facts. This is exactly what happened in my own tribunal case, with the Employment Tribunal believing my own version of the facts which was so often corroborated by other evidence and the attitudes displayed of clear discrimination on the grounds of disability. These people had such stereotypical attitudes they just could not help but lose!

In France for example, the sort of inquiry that BT would favour would take place, an inquisition by an examining Magistrate as happened in the case of Diana. I think the Judge did come to the right conclusion in that case, it was not an MI5 conspirary to kill her, convenient as that might have been, it was a tragic accident. Judges have the training to dispassionately look at all the evidence and form a proper view!

I was amused to just read the Pink Trolls' version of the law on their blog from a link that Doc gives above. Well the Portuguese do what they do and the British do what they do and never the two shall meet. International and European criminal law and procedure seems to have completely passed them by!

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bath theory said...

The chain will break and I believe it will be because of an implosion not because some amazing new evidence that becomes available.

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bath theory said...

i.e The evidence will come from someone who already has the knowledge of what happened but one small thing will trigger a change of heart.

viv said...

Hiya BT

It was not just avoiding criminal charges that was so important to Kate and Gerry McCann, was it?

It was convincing the World that Madeleine was abducted and they are completely normal, innocent parents. Then in their naivety they reasoned, they could go on to be media celebrities selling their story for millions with chat shows in America, books and films. It is justice indeed that they are denied the right to further cash in on their dead child. Odious and despicable!

Their silence speaks volumes they know about that implosion and they do not know which way to run next!

Viv x

viv said...

Hiya BT

I think the Portuguese have played their hand so well. So much information out in the public domain that no serious minded person could believe in Team McCann. The public will increasingly demand action from the British authorities and they are well aware of that. This could also be an implosion!

Viv x

viv said...

Hiya BT

Kate has certainly demonstrated she does not have the moral fortitude to make that choice although it was clearly open to her. Still she takes the coward's way out that will leave her hiding in her home for the rest of her days. Maybe a determinative sentence would be better, there are no easy choices for her, she went into a series of very unwise ones, but still I do feel her mental health is relevant here.

Viv x

viv said...

We do not hunger for power and money, we do not see what we can make from our children, all we see is we love and protect them, and recoil in shock from a couple who do just the opposite - Kate and Gerry McCann ..Viv x
What a great post!

http://katiesmith.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/jersey-habitat-of-the-three-wise-monkeys/

Habitat Of The Three Wise Monkeys


“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.” David Brin

“Those who cannot love want power.” Guggenbuhl-Craig

It is an observation no less just than common, that there is no stronger test of a man’s real character than power and authority, exciting, as they do, every passion, and discovering every latent vice.” Plutarch

Plutarch’s quote about power and the spell it casts on the weak, egoistical, narcissists that seek it at all costs could never be more apt than today: Like many, my reaction to the Jersey child abuse scandal has been one of horror and bewilderment. That such a seemingly widespread regime of abuse and possible murder could have taken place under the very blind eyes, very deaf ears and totally mute mouths of so many is incomprehensible and downright evil.

As police prepare to uncover and expose a second underground room that might have played witness to the torture and abuse of the most vulnerable of our society, the Times reports that a cabal of leading Jersey figures is trying to wreck the abuse inquiry.

Corrupt police officers, politicians and a leading businessman are attempting to discredit the investigation into child abuse at a Jersey care home, the island’s police said today.

States of Jersey Police said that at least one of its former officers has made threats against those co-operating with the inquiry. It was also investigating claims that victims were being threatened by former child care staff.

It seems those pillars of society doing the threatening are fearless. In the face of the high powered microscope of the media and the integrity of the leading investigator, they still feel able to call the shots and dictate what happens. They are still drunk with power and think they can make the evidence of their not so latent vices disappear with a simple click of their fingers. A spokeswoman for Jersey Police said today:

“A small number of police officers have left the force in various circumstances after being accused of activities which could be described as corrupt.

“They, and associates of theirs, including a local businessman and a small number of politicians, have conducted a high profile campaign aimed at discrediting officers involved in their cases.

“This has included sending a large number of letters including a threat to damage the home and vehicle of one of the officers concerned”

We live in a world that celebrates those qualities that allow certain types of people to clamber over others to the top. Professor Robert Hare is an expert in psychopathology. Normally he studies in it’s criminal/serial killer form, but has recently realised that many of those who rise to the top in their non-criminal careers share certain traits with their ball and chain comrades.



As Hare observes;

People might say he or she is charismatic, high profile or ‘gets things done’. We have a whole series of euphemisms for the individual who may be self centred, grandiose, lacking in empathy and does not give a damn about everybody else…

Such people are social predators who do not get bothered by ordinary social anxieties. They are self serving individuals. Their only concern is food. They see the world as one large watering hole. Their resources are sex, power and money.”

When we see people pursuing power and position ruthlessly we should question their sanity and subject them to a psychiatric review. That we not only permit their behaviour but admire it, encourage it and attempt to replicate it is a sad indictment on our society and has left us with a string of abuse scandals of which Jersey is just the latest. Our Children deserve more than this.

Mercedes y Mila said...

Hi Viv, I'm here. Although I don't leave comments I read this blog "every day", I also translate some comments for our readers in Spain.

Here, the media also doesn't report "impartially" and both Mila and myself are trying to translate everything that is published in English, French and Portuguese to support your work.

Please forgive me for not participate with comments , but my English spelling is harmful and it takes me centuries to write the commentary, something that makes me be very lazy.

So like the announcement of the "Mastercard" ... for everything else, I'm with you.

Mercedes from Spain

viv said...

Hiya Mercedes and how lovely to hear from you!

I am very pleased to hear you are going to the trouble of translating our comments here for readers in Spain and I am sure the rest of the contributors here would agree!

Sharing knowledge on a global scale is the key to defeating the machinations of Kate and Gerry McCann. They do not deserve to prosper, they deserve to be prosecuted and we clearly all work together to achieve that aim.

I find your English and spelling completely perfect and even if it was not we are delighted to receive comments from those whose first language is not English, content matters not spelling or grammar (take no notice of Doc, he just likes to criticise the "Pro-McCanns"). I quite often make mistakes myself!

Viv x

viv said...

I see the sickening McCann sycophant Mark55 has raised his unpleasant head again seeking to minimise and justify the conduct of Kate and Gerry McCann, he says Doc is stupid to suggest that a little girl could not survive an abduction by paedophiles and cites the sickening example below to prove his point. Seemingly he is unable to differentiate between a terrible attack by one paedophile lasting a few hours and what is claimed has been happening to Madeleine for the last 15 months by a "ring of paedophiles" to quote Gerry McCann. This person claims to know Gerry McCann, via his son who he says is studying cardiology with him and has a clear interest in paedophilia. At the same time as telling us he has an adult child, studying at post graduate level, he also used to regail us with stories on the DE of his little children bouncing up and down on him, ummmmm, in his dreams one suspects. He is not going to trouble to explain to us about the evidence of Eddie and Keela, well quite, why try to explain what a good job they did in both PDL and Jersey recently. Sickening child abusers do get brought to book, "Mark"! And there was nothing "barmy" about what happened to those poor children in the bath in Jersey, either. Go and crawl back under a rock, preferably a very heavy one.

Viv x


mark55 said...
Docnot and the barmy bath person have concluded that a 3 year old would not survive a paedophile abduction . Wrong again . A recent article in the Telegraph (they obviously only read the comics )
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2618279/Girl-attacked-by-paedophile-awarded-lousy-compensation.html

The McCanns refuse to accept that Maddie is dead until they have proof , quite a reasonable position to take . The dog's evidence is not proof . I wont explain why , they wouldn't understand .

28 August 2008 15:50

Girl attacked by paedophile awarded 'lousy' compensation
A girl who was abducted and abused by 15 men when she was three has won just £9,000 in compensation.

By Jessica Salter
Last Updated: 10:26AM BST 25 Aug 2008

The girl, who is now six, has been left deeply traumatised by her ordeal which was made worse after police made computer errors and a judge said the paedophile would be eligible for parole after only serving five years in jail.

The little girl's mother described the £9,000 award from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority as "lousy".

Craig Sweeney, 26, snatched the toddler from her home in Cardiff in January 2006 and took her to his flat where he was living after being released early from a three-year sentence for indecently assaulting a girl aged six. There he abused her as 15 other men watched, some of whom were also convicted paedophiles. As he was driving her back he attacked her twice more.

She was only found by police hours later in Wiltshire, after officers chased Sweeney at speeds of 100mph because he was driving with no lights on and jumping red lights. He threw the girl out of the car before he crashed into a bank.

The girl's mother gave police Sweeney's name and a description of the car, but officers misspelt his name on their computer and so failed to register that he was a convicted paedophile on early release.

Then in June 2006 a judge jailed Sweeney for life, but said he would be eligible for parole in five years.

The girl's mother, who is pursuing a negligence claim a South Wales Police, said: "There's been no justice for our baby and for us. From the minute she was abducted everything has gone wrong. The police let us down, the court let us down, now this. Our daughter's ordeal was worth a lousy £9,000."

She said her daughter is still haunted by her kidnap and cries every night.

Sweeney admitted kidnap, three charges of sexual assault and dangerous driving. He had already been convicted of indecent assault on a child in 2003 and had carried out his attack on the three-year-old during his early release from a three-year sentence for the crime. After serving half of his sentence, he was released from prison and living in a flat in Newport where he then went on to sexually abuse the three-year-old.

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

What a scum bag I find it unbelievable that Gerry says he has no reason to belive Madeleine has been harmed then tells us she is in the hands of peadophiles..

What is the matter with people Madeleine has been missing for over a year and Mummy and Daddy want the world to belive she is with the scum of the earth but is fine. If I was with a sick sexual predator at 37 years of age for a year suffering untold abuse I dont think I would want to go on any longer so how the hell is a 3 year old supposed to deal with it.

Let them keep defending a Mother who could not be bothered to look after her child left twins alone again after telling everyone Madeleine had been abducted not a single thought for their saftey did not look for Madeleine once refused to help the PJ swanned around in her ribbons and make up on her many happy photo ops then to rub salt in the wound refused to answer questions that any Mother would answer if she gave a damn about her child.

Gerry has shown his true colours on more than one occasion blogging away about life hardly a word for Madeleine walking out of an interview like a stroppy child when the questions did not go his way and looking so happy on his trip to the White House when any normal person who had neglected their child would be too damn ashamed to hold their head up.

I belive Madeliene died and her body hidden by two cold people who are playing a game to save their skins Eddie and Keela have 100% success rate and dog's dont cave to political preasure.

ALL the paid chimps have done such a terrible job they have posted so badly tried to bully and take the micky whoever is paying them should sack the lot of them and create some new names who are inteligent enough to know that bullying never works.

As for our Mole maybe there is one but I know for a fact they wont be getting e mails from poster A slating poster B but let them put that doubt in our minds and we will all go off crying... Dont think so....

I am not here to make friends win points get paid or argue with Pro's. I would have debated with them once but soon realised that was not their game plan we had to belive what they said and either go away or join them.

Sorry but I cant sit back and watch a group of adults who neglected their children night after night enter into a pact of silence when a 3 year old child is missing it is not normal something must be holding them together and I cant think of anything lawful that this could be.

The interviews are comming out now and I can see why the PJ did not believe them. Who needs a spin Dr when your child is missing it is one of the many strange things about this case.

I have a lot of respect for most of the posters here and enjoy talking to you on line because I belive you are here for Madeline and this poor child who was so badly let down by her parents is now being let down by each and every person who wont ask the questions that need to be asked or the press who wont print a balanced view of the case.

Children deserve a voice each and every one of them and if a child disapears while her parents are at the bar with their friends then serious questions need to be asked not allow the Father to lie and say he was 50 yards away with a clear view.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

The McCanns get support from the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS
Trust website. (I presume Gerry's employers?)

http://www.uhl-tr.nhs.uk/index
.asp?pgid=8938

Information provided on 3A by jkh.

bath theory said...

Hi Viv, had to leave quickly before as it suddenly started to lash down with rain and my family were out walking to the shops. Thus I went and got them in the car.

Top words Hope
'...Dog's dont cave to political preasure...' has to be the quote of the day by Hope for the truth.

One question: If the McCanns were now brought into a room with just Eddie & Keela what would happen?

bath theory said...

And second question anyone got the Leicstershire police e-mail with regards to the case as I feel like sending them an e-mail.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

From 3A website:

Please email, write, phone or fax -

PHONE: 0116) 222 2222

FAX: 0116-2298985

http://www.leics.police.uk/

BY POST:

(Chief Constable or Stuart Prior)

Leicestershire Constabulary
Force Headquarters
St Johns
Enderby
Leicester
LE19 2BX[/quote]

hope4truth said...

BT/ICTOAN

Looks like LP will have a very busy day tomorrow...

xxx

bath theory said...

Anyone else spotted this in an article that related to the portugese police wanting to bug them but it is was not allowed that appeared in The Sun published Aug 8th this year

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/article1534056.ece

'...Little more than a month after the little girl went missing, flat 5A in Praia da Luz’s Ocean Club resort was allowed to be occupied again.

Despite the apartment being a crime scene, 11 people stayed there between June 12 and July 26 last year, raising the possibility that it was contaminated before fresh forensic examinations in August.

A couple from Liverpool who are friends of the flat’s owner spent a week there from June 12 to 19, a document in the newly-released Portuguese police files showed.

They were followed by a family of four from Falkirk in Scotland who stayed there from June 28 to July 12.

A couple from New Barnet in Hertfordshire used the apartment from July 12 to 19 and a family from Leicester stayed in it from July 19 to 26.

In August last year two specialist British sniffer dogs trained to scent corpses and human blood were brought to Portugal and taken to the flat...'

Well, well, well. The owner of the apartment has the surname McCann if I am not mistaken and she rents the apartment that Madeleine vanished from out a few moths later to people who come from
1)Liverpool (city where KH is from)2)Falkirk in Scotland (not that far from Glasgow where GM is from)
3)New Barnet Hertfordshire (Not that far from Leicester
and wait for it
4)Leicester itself
Seems a little strange the 'tourists' just happen to come from places heavily associated with the couple whose child vanished in this apartment. Were these people just on holiday or where they up to something else?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Hope

They will probably have an almost total communications failure (except for emergency calls). Anything that does slip through will almost certainly be ignored (why change the habits of the last few months?).

bath theory said...

Thanks ICTOAN. Is it just me that missed this point about who was in that apartment after Madeleine vanished and before the dogs got to work. I find this a potentially very significant 'coincidence'
We were led to believe by the media that the apartment had been rented out to tourists ie implied Mark Warner or hotel had shoved more people in it to maximise profits etc. But alas it seems to much of a coincidence to think this. It seems more likely the owner let people associated with the Mccann in there just one month or so after Madeleine disappeared. Viv is this worth a thread. Wasn't there some confusion as to whether the flooring had been changed and if so why? and by whom? maybe a friendly tourist from Liverpool or Leicster perhaps?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

I certainly hadn't made the possible connection between the various post disappearance renters. Maybe you have something there.

bath theory said...

Well Falkirk is one road from Glasgow M80 (half hour), New Barnet is one road M1 from Leicster (45mins)and Leicester is Leicester (KH & GM hometown) Liverpool is Liverpool (KH original hometown). So in my book that is certainly strange.

bath theory said...

Well in any case Edddie and Keela outsmarted them if they were trying to do more cleaning/sanitising etc.

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys.
Quite busy, lately. Tomorrow is September and work starts SOON. Moreover, there is a lovely 97 yeard old lady we know and who is in hospital with serious gallbladder problems. The doctors will try with medication although they are not sure it will work. They say it is too risky to operate.
Doc, there are still some crepes left! :-)
BBL.

nancy said...

Just why did Kate and Gerry and their tapas pals choose a Warner holiday camp in PdeL - an ideal place for the average holidaymaker with children I'm sure, but I would have thought that reasonably well to do doctors would have chosen somewhere a bit more upmarket, and there are plenty of more swanky places in Portugal!!

Gerry said he wasn't there for a holiday when he was on the airport bus, yet this was not mentioned in the PJ's evidence. Also there was no mention of the fact that Gerry had met Murat before at a Labour Conference in Exeter. I am surprised that the PJ's didn't pick up on that information. But then Gerry wiped off all the calls from his mobile phone before the PJ's got a chance to look, so we'll probably never know!

nancy said...

Hi Claudia -

May your lovely 97 year old friend be up and about again in no time at all!

It's unbelievable that September is upon us already, but I'm pleased that it's cooling down a bit now, at least in the mornings and evenings!


Nx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy. Thank you.
Unfortunately, the situation seems a bit serious. She is a very tough lady and I hope she overcomes this but I'm not sure.
I also can't believe it's September although I already miss school time. :-)
xxx

nancy said...

Goodnight everyone -

See you all tomorrow - in the meantime,

Justice for Madeleine!



Nx

Cláudia said...

Goodnight, Nancy.
I also need to get something to eat and then rest. 97 family friend sick in hospital; a friend's dog who chases bees and wasps as a hobby was stung inside his mouth by a huge wasp, had a severe reaction and I had to call a friend's sister who is a vet to care for Speedy because it is Sunday and vet clinics are closed; and finally a friend who is a doctor (the boring kind, as I use to tease her because she makes people sleep) has misterious high pressure. Very high without medication, slightly high but controlled with medication. Has been in hospital for more than a week and there is, apparently no cause for her high BP. She is 28, eats healthy, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, nothing. All kinds of blood tests, scans and tests done and nothing. One of the doctors suggested a kidney biopsy. Another one said he finds it too risky.
God I'm tired.

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

Sending good thoughts for your friends and the dog that was stung.

Read you all tomorrow.

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Zodiac. The dog is ok. Not in a good mood, though.
Finishing a sandwich. Too tired to eat more than that.
Read you tomorrow.

docmac said...

Claudia you have had a really bad day. So sorry and best wishes to your friends and to Speedy.

Have been busy and have not read back, so no further comment from me.

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Doc. Having problems keeping my eyes open. Speedy Gonzalez si fine. The 97 year old lovely lady isn't. And my anesthesiologist friend, I have no idea because doctors also don't know. She feels normal apart from the high BP. Very weird. I didn't even know she was in the hospital because she is always there anyway. I hope it gets back to normal soon.
Dorme bem, querido amigo. Beijinhos.

docmac said...

Goodnight Claudia and sleep well.

I had a rant coming on, but will keep it bottled for now.

docmac said...

You're welcome Gina. It does work on Blogger, but you must use the keypad on the right ;-)

docmac said...

F Kinell wrote:
Hi paulo.
Was a sample of Maddie's DNA ever obtained? If so, how? If not, how did the FSS originally say that there were x number of markers corresponding to Maddie?

Dear F Kinell:

According to the investigation files from the DVD given to journalists, a sample of Madeleine's DNA was obtained, by FSS, using samples taken from Madeleine's pillowcase and samples from Kate and Gerry. First FSS report confirmed a combined profile of DNA from Kate and Gerry, in the pillowcase samples. Result were presented by FSS as approximately 29 millions times more likely to belong to a natural child of Kate and Gerry rather than someone else unrelated to them.

After that, FSS requested samples from Amelie and Sean, in order to be sure it was not one of the twins DNA. Samples were sent and the FSS report concluded that it was not Amelie or Sean DNA, in the pillow case, so it was Madeleine's DNA.


Make of this what you will. I know what I think.

docmac said...

Books (*) found McCann's home (in the room where Gerry had set up his "office") after they moved from Ocean Club to a nearby house:

Missing and Abducted Children: A Law Enforcement Guide to Case Investigation and Program Management (National Center for Missing & Exploited Children)
Training Courses , CEOP - /Serious Organized Crime Agency - Child Explotation and Online Protection Centre)
Making Eevery Children Matter.. Everywhere, CEOP (Serious and Organized Crime Agency - Child Explotation and Online Protection Centre)

(*) In the book of Mr. Amaral he says that Mark Harrison was surprised with the fact that the couple had access to CEOP manuals, reserved for police officers

Other books, also found on Gerry's "office":

from Jed Rubenfeld - The Interpretation of Murder
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/prod ... 39&s=books

from Gordon Smith - Spirit Messenger
http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/product/ ... ewpoints=1

from Lance Armstrong - Will to win (? - this a translation from Portuguese to English... The reference about this book, in the documents and in Mr. Amaral's book is in Portuguese : "Vontade de Vencer"

Those books were found during a search of the home, following a warrant issued by the Criminal Court Judge.

This is the information I have, now. I can't say that the book you refer was found there or not, as I dind't finished yet reading all 46 annexes that came with the 17 volumes of the main files...



Jesus!!!!

dylan said...

Good morning all!

Claudia, poor you. I do hope both ladies recover soon. As for Speedy, he has my sympathy as I have a wasp phobia and they always seem to chase me!

Docmac, thanks for the info. I find "The interpretation of murder" book's presence in the room particularly interesting, especially if it is non-fiction as the title would suggest!

Also, the DNA markers - that is totally the opposite to what has been reported in the media that the FSS said, as we were all lead to believe they did a u-turn? If this is true and forensics can prove whether or not the fluids were from a cadaver (which I think I heard that they can), why are the McCanns STILL insisting Madeleine is unharmed??

Hope, your 19.12 post of yesterday - well said! JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE.

xx

dylan said...

Viv,

Your 16.13 post of yesterday - Mark 55's 'reposte' with the paedophile attack on a 3 year old is shocking. How could a person stoop to these sick levels just to try to prove us wrong? He's used a disgusting and depraved attack on a poor little girl who will be forever traumatised to say "up yours" to us and I bet it made the disgusting little creep smile with victory too! Words fail me except to say: Mark55, you can't have possibly stooped any lower here. Pond life have a better set of morals than you do.

nancy said...

Good morning all!

Docmac -

It would be interesting to know whether Gerry went very well prepared to PdeL with the books you mentioned above or had them sent out after Madeleine disappeared! Bit of a coincidence that there are books to do with crime and investigation eh?

The book entitled the Will to Win would definitely help him overcome any feeling of inadequacy he may have suffered after being questioned by the PJ's!

And just how did he get his hands on the CEOP manuals if they are reserved for Police Officers? The mind boggles!

I would have thought that reading books on crime would be the last thing on his mind when his daughter has been abducted and he's out of his mind with worry over where she might be!!

However, we've got used to this couple acting the exact opposite of normal couples when they maintain a paedophile gang planned Madeleine's abduction!!

nancy said...

Hiya Viv -

Very interesting to read in your thread that the Economic Crimes Unit at LP have been investigating this case.

I have read many posts to the newspapers and media, especially Sky, from people who are furious that the donations they sent for help in the search for Maddie has been spent on funding the McCann's mortgage and celebrity lifestyle!

Just why have the McCanns never offered a vast sum (I'm sure BK would be happy to give the shirt off his back) to the so called paedophile gang for the return of their daughter if they are so sure she is alive and well? And why have this same paedophile gang not demanded a huge ransom for Madeleine's safe return?

I don't think I'm alone in thinking that the answer to that is because there was no abduction and no paedophile gang involved and the McCann's and their tapas pals know it!

Let's hope the ECU at LP continue with their investigation into the way the Madeleine Fund has been used and it doesn't end up in the office shredder!

It's time that Madeleine's fate came to the forefront instead of the wringing of hands over the suffering of her neglectful parents!

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

Cláudia said...

I have a little message to ST.
You can try as hard as you can, darling. I won't go away. And I won't go away for three main reasons.
1) Madeleine
2) My country
3) Because little reptiles like you exist.
The more you insult, bully and threaten, the more I'll be here. The more I'll post and the more I'll piss you off. You and your cronies can even try to do to me what you did to Alsabella. It won't work with me because I don't have children and you won't scare me and make me go away.

So you think that naming one's children in the internet is dangerous behaviour, do you? Then tell me, what do you think about putting up a photo of someone's grandchildren? Uh? Where the children are clearly recognisable? Is that legal? Is that responsible? Did these children give their permission to be exposed to the whole www? What about the parents of these children? Do they know? Aren't these children in danger? All sorts of perverts could have had access to that photo, don't you think? Maybe the NSPCC would also be interested to know about that. You may even think about calling your friend and asking her for her opinion.
P.S: I have used proxy servers to visit ANY pro place since the problem with Alsabella's blog. And I'll continue to do so everytime.

nancy said...

Claudia -

Good for you gal!!

By what I can gather, they only seem interested in insulting everyone on here rather than trying to find the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, about what happened to darling Madeleine!

They have the gall to criticise the antis for wanting justice for Madeleine and any other child who could be treated so off handedly when they should be aiming their hostility to the neglectful parents who are responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. 6 of the 9 adults that week in PdeL left their children to their fate and all at such tender ages - if that's not gross child neglect then I don't know what is!

It's the hand that rocks the cradle who is responsible for a child's welfare and if those parents fall so short of their responsibilities then they should expect to be called to account!

So ST and your fellow McCann worshippers, those with and without names - take a long hard look at yourselves and aim your venom in the right direction, i.e. those who were responsible for their children's welfare that night!

Cláudia said...

Nancy, that will never happen. You know why? If they were on that vacation, their children and grandchildren would have, most likely, been left alone the way the celebrities did. If not worse. Don't forget these are the people who forget their children outside shops and then laugh about it.

Cláudia said...

Doc, that is an impressive library indeed! I have to confess I have different tastes.

docmac said...

Afternoon all

Claudia, well said. It should also be pointed out that ST accused you of visiting hardcoare porn sites after looking at the URLs that appeared when you visited the site. Bum agreed, claiming to have done the same. Maybe they think 'proxy' is the Portuguese spelling of 'p*ssy' or something. Wouldn't surprise me.

Also to ST - one can NOT see who is voting on a Blogger poll. Not everyone is as gullible as Bum hey.

docmac said...

See I can't even spell hardcore :-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, they can accuse me of whatever they like. Only the braindead cannot see their strategy. By turning things personal, they avoid discussion on the case, which is what they want. It will not work. I just think it would be wise of them to stop harassing and threatning Dylan when one of them showed the whole www a picture of her grandchildren. A picture which could have been copy pasted by all kinds of perverts and used in filthy ways. In fact, they are lucky that people from this side of the fence do not lower themselves to their level.

Cláudia said...

Doc, see how pure you are? :-)

docmac said...

There we go. A third body has been found in the ruins of the Foster's home. Just like I said early on at 3a, it's going to turn out to be a murder-suicide. How very, very sad.

Cláudia said...

P.S: the photo was(is) not small. In the photo all people are recognisable. Clearly recognisable. And it was there long enough for it to be sent by e-mail, for a snapshot to be taken and for me to go there and check it was really true and not an a-mail prank.
Bum, remember what you did to Alsabella's avatar?
I have absolutely no intention to turn this into a personal matter. Because it isn't. This is about a missing child and her parents' revolting parenting choices. While we are making this personal, we are not discussing the case. But I will not ignore the threat made to Dylan when someone from the other side of the fence did something WAY more dangerous.
Bum, scream, shout, pull your hair. I'll still be here.

Cláudia said...

Doc, a child's body?

docmac said...

Claudia

I posted a link to a picture of my youngest child the other day. Nobody from that side commented on it. Perhaps because he was much better looking than they believed possible ;-)

I must say I am sceptical of this whole 'don't put pictures of kids on the internet' thing. I mean, Barack Obama and Halle Berry are a lot more famous and traceable than me and they don't seem to mind. Along with 678000 other 'famous' people and everyone on Facebook.

Paedophiles are not surfing the sort of sites I would visit anyway.

docmac said...

It seems it's probably the daughter, yes.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I agree with you. However, people who put up photos of their underaged children and grandchildren cannot EVER threaten and bully anyone for naming their children online and talking about them. EVER.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I read about that case. Apparently such a balanced, well-off family. How sad.

Cláudia said...

The 97 year old lady made through the night, by the way. One thing I foound weird, though, was that she recognised some people and didn't recognise others. Before she was diagnosed with the gallbladder problem, she was perfectly lucid, by the way.
Doc, a medical question: is a kidney biopsy a risky procedure, generally speaking?

docmac said...

Bum is still ranting about porn. There is not one reference to this on any of the sites. Maybe she has a setting on her computer that says 'wherever I go, show me links to porn'. :-)))))

And Bum, see my post above. You can NOT see who is voting on your poll on a blog. End of.

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOLOL.

Cláudia said...

Have a phone call. Think it'll be long

docmac said...

Good for the old girl! Claudia, there are risks associated with every medical procedure, especially those that require access into a bodily cavity. A kidney biopsy would not rank high on a list of risky procedures though. Certainly the risk is well worth taking in one so young with as yet unexplained hypertension. Your friend would know this and most likely agree.

Is it not the ADRENAL gland they want to biopsy?

Wizard said...

Afternoon all,

All this talk of Supertroll’s site made me pop over and have a look. The sole purpose, as far as I can see, is to deride and discredit Viv’s blog. It is, of course, very flattering of supertroll to consider that Viv and her bloggers’ views are so important that they need to be under surveillance by them 24/7 and any stepping outside the box of a code of conduct set by their good selves is of national importance.

I think what we fail to comprehend on this site is that Supertroll and its bloggers were on holiday with the McCanns last year sharing an apartment with them. They had Madeleine and her parents under surveillance at all times, a bit like they do with Viv’s blog, and they therefore know that the parents are not guilty of anything and abduction really did occurred. They were all of course flies on the wall at that time but unfortunately for them, like the sniffer dogs, their evidence is inadmissible in a Portuguese court of law. Therein lays the rub and the court banter on whose evidence is stronger - the flies or the dogs will never be heard.

That’s life lol

Wizard said...

Another discrepancy from ‘Swannie’ on 3A’s is interesting – I copy below

“Or is Kate squeaky clean??

According to Payne’s April 2008 statement in Leics (from Paulo Reis http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogs ... image.html

‘David knocked at the A5 apartment about 6:30pm. Kate had JUST FINISHED HAVING A BATH and David saw that the kids were already bathed and were in their pyjamas, playing around. It was Gerry who asked him to check on Kate and the kids, Payne told Police. According to Kate, David knocked at the door (the door facing the swimming pool). She just put a towel around her, went to the living room and they had a brief talk.’

Yet according to Kate’s statement taken on May 4th 2007:
’Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. SHE TOOK A BATH did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband.’

Well, they say cleanliness is next to godliness - doesn’t quite equate with the ‘dirty nappies and rotting meat in the car’ though does it?”

Wizard said...

PR Weekly tells us the Pink One is joining Freud Communications as a consultant on a 12 month contract. He will specialise in crisis management, media training and staging……ohps I mean scenario planning. He is still apparently considering setting up his own agency at a later date.

Work down for the McCanns or is he still on call?

Cláudia said...

Wizard, LOL

Doc, I'm not really sure. I haven't been able to talk to her because she doesn't have her mobile with her. I talked with her mother. And she mentioned a kidney biopsy. She said one doctor had advised one but another doctor said he found it too risky. I'll try to find more when I can. Thank you.

Gina, you know nothing. Alsabella was forced to leave. I will not say what happened to her with details, because I promised her I wouln't. But I do not wish you, your children and your grandchildren what happened. Had she been a 'celebrity' and she would have certainly had panic buttons installed. End of.

Cláudia said...

Wizard, most of the times I have a hard time believing that His Pinkness works for the McCanns. :-)

Cláudia said...

Glory!

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Claudia,

Glad things are looking a little better for the old lady.

Your 11.12am post. Well said!
All they do is try to detract from the real issue. The internet is full of photo's of children, families have their own blogs and use them to communuicate with family and friends throughout the World. The McC's were happy to use the images of their remaining children to deflect away from themselves and they said their eldest child had been abducted yet they had no problem leaving these exposed remaining children in a creche either! They are trying to insinuate that the whole www is a nasty place. I would not be surprised if they try to ban the www from everyone, only access allowed to read their propaganda. They live in cloud cuckoo land. The www and all the people around the World who have turned to it looking for information and blogging with each other is a thorn in their side. The NET is too big for them, they cannot control it like their bought and paid for UK Press/Media. People who seek information on here are not stupid (that is why they are here) and cannot have the wool pulled over their eyes, they are here because they have minds of their own and their opinions cannot be shaped and formed (IMO) by two tacky pathetic excuses for parents, tacky press manipulators and tacky extended family members. What parent with a child they believe has been abducted by a phaedophile ring would give a damn what people say about them, the missing child would be their only concern not their own necks. What mother would not answer all questions asked of her by anyone who was looking for her missing child? What parent/s would not return to assist in a Police recontruction? What friend/s of parents of a missing child would not help in a Police reconstruction? Especially given that they have said in the Press and Media they would return at any time do anything to help, then when asked to do exactly that they deem it is not necessary. What parent/s of a missing child never send any messages of love to their missing child? Except, she knows we luvver, that to a little 3/4 year old, who they say has been taken by paedophiles! Especially as they have been afforded so much Press/Media coverage. They have wasted their print and air time just like they are wasting (or whatever?) other peoples money, the money that generous people of all walks of life have donated to them. IMO, questions have to be asked and have to be answered along with proof regarding that issue. Where exactly has all of that money gone and exactly on what? I never saw a poster of that child when I was in France, Spain or Portugal this year. They and their paid chimps try to project an image of them being well off and cultured. I do not see that, the resort they holidayed in was run of the mill. When I eventually saw the photo's of the interior it was most definitely not luxury accom and £1500 for 1 weeks hol for 2 adults and 3 children, meals and wine incl is not expensive.
I just checked CenterParcs in the UK for 4 nights mon-fri 28/4/09 for 2 adults and 3 children under 5, an exclusive 4 bed lodge for that period is £1,225.00 that is just for the lodge no food, wine etc. It is pathetic of their freind to suggest that the child was abducted because these people are well off. When they returned home, yes they do have a nice big modern house although the cars in the driveway were a VW Touran and I think an old Jaguar or Rover. Were they their cars, did they even have a car/s? What car do they have now? I do not believe they have actually used 1p of their own money to find their child that they left alone in a holiday flat with her siblings to indulge in me time. They talk out of their backsides and are so full of their own self-importance. I find them all ludicrously boring and feel they should have no more preferential treatment, it is all about them and not their missing child. Shame on all who support this charade.

Cláudia said...

A poster posted this link on my blog. Unbelievable.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Police-Investigate-Possible-Home-Alone-Case-After-Finding-Three-Children-At-Home-In-Leeds/Article/200809115090641?lpos=UK%2BNews_2&lid=ARTICLE_15090641_Police%2BInvestigate%2BPossible%2B%2527Home%2BAlone%2527%2BCase%2BAfter%2BFinding%2BThree%2BChildren%2BAt%2BHome%2BIn%2BLeeds

Zodiac said...

Well if a woman did not want to have to invite a male friend who was on holiday with them into her apt what better way to do it without being rude. Wrap a towel round you when you answer the door and talk to them from there for a few seconds/minutes.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, the 97 year old lady made it through the night. We can only wish for the best. Thank you.

It's because of posts like the one you just wrote that they scream, kick and pull their hair. That is what makes them intimidate and bully people. To shut them up and make them go away. You are spot on. The internet escapes control. Do you know how many blogs there are regarding this? In English, in Spanish, in French, in German? New ones are born everyday. Many of them with English, Spanish, French and German translation of articles which don't make it to the UK. There is no spinning that. The Truth of the Lie will soon be published in several countries. Spain will be the first. Others will follow shortly. People will, at least, be able to buy it and readt it. They are free to believe it or not. That is not the important aspect. The important aspect is that they will be able to access it and then make up their minds. And that is what pisses the reptiles off. They wish we all lived in China.

Zodiac said...

Well I am not parnoid after all. There was another my message from my computer security a few seconds ago.

There was an attempt to attack your computer. It has been blocked.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, yesterday I had 4 (FOUR) of those. I have changed my computer's security software a long time ago to something better than I always had. It is possible to find out where those attempts come from, you know. Have you got an IT friend?

Cláudia said...

P:S: Today I got two already.
I'm glad I have 3 computers. :-)

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

We have a computer guy. His life I think is computers installing them, fixing them, knows everything and anything about the subject.

If the attemted attacks are due to anything I feel and post about then my instincts from 4/05/07 must be right.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, I only started getting those warnings quite some time after the DE Have Your Say was finished. After that, I started getting them, but it wasn't something regular. It became regular about 2 months ago. Maybe one month and a half. Quite strong a few days before I went on holiday. Since I arrived, the average is 4, 5, 6 times a day.
If you have an IT friend, you can ask him/her for a favour. :-)

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, don't delete the warnings. It's essential to keep them. They contain needed info.

docmac said...

Mum21 said...

docmac said...
Afternoon all

Claudia, well said. It should also be pointed out that ST accused you of visiting hardcoare porn sites after looking at the URLs that appeared when you visited the site. Bum agreed, claiming to have done the same. Maybe they think 'proxy' is the Portuguese spelling of 'p*ssy' or something. Wouldn't surprise me.

Also to ST - one can NOT see who is voting on a Blogger poll. Not everyone is as gullible as Bum hey.

Monday, 1 September 2008 11:49:00 o'clock BST

Doc...you are talking out your ar-e again. Perhaps web stats is something you know nothing about.
That would be a first!!!!!

01 September 2008 12:14


No bum, you are the one talking out of your arse. A poll is a widget, or a 'gadget' as Blogger now calls them. As such it is hosted offsite and thus the IP of voters is only visible to the hosting site. See, I do know about these things ;-)

You are the one who needs to keep quiet about things you don't have any knowledge of. Because you sure look like a total fool when you don't.



Hello Jane! Yes, I did type 'hardcoare' and then corrected myself. Well done! It seems you are heavy on the tonic today. For once.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I love a cleaner with a great sense of humour. ;-)

docmac said...

Zodiac, looks like your security is working fine. Just keep it updated and you have little to be concerned about.

Remember too (if you're a Windows user) always surf the internet on a 'limited' account, not as an 'administrator'.

Cláudia said...

Doc, any news about that double subject we have discussed before by e-mail?

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

If it happens again I will be calling the guy to come and have a look. In all the years we have had PC'c, laptops etc we have never had a message like that at any time. If I were to recieve threats or anything of that nature, then I will be posting them on the www for all to see on Sky, HYS's anywhere I can think of. That is shocking re Alsabella. If you are still in contact with her please send my regards and thanks for all her efforts, she really was appreciated and is missed.

Zodiac said...

Docmac,

'Zodiac, looks like your security is working fine. Just keep it updated and you have little to be concerned about.'

It updates itself automatically and always checks for viruses and gives little messages saying what it has done.

Remember too (if you're a Windows user) always surf the internet on a 'limited' account, not as an 'administrator'.

Errrr what does that mean?

Thanks Docmac.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Slightly off topic but I think related.

helena on 3A started a thread to remember Riley Ann Sawyers (aka Baby Grace) whom I sure we all remember as as possibly being Madeleine.

Riley's grand mother has a web site devoted to her memory and I should like to share this with you:

"The following poem is a poem written by Kathy Hernandez, from Trumbull Ct. (Gramma Kathy) for me about my beloved granddaughter. It describes her so well. It was read by my Brother Mike during her funeral.
Thank you Kathy. We love you.


Poem For Riley

Heaven has a brand new angel Her name is Riley Ann
We have to ask you favors We know you'll understand

It's hard for us to let her go So innocent and so small
She did not get to live her life So soon you came to call

We know that you were with her And she was not alone
You saw that she was hurting And chose to take her home

We ask that you take care of her And give her all our love
We know that she is safe within Your arms Dear God above

She likes to play with Elmo Her favorite movie "cars"
Just thought that you should know these things She even owns a star!

Teach her how to write her name We did not get the chance
And she loves to shop and sing And oh she loves to dance

She liked to put grams makeup On her pretty baby face
Her favorite was a lipstick Inside a fuzzy case

If she asks why she had to go Away and leave us here
Please tell her that we love her so And how much that we care

Ask her all her hopes and dreams And help her with her prayers
And if she ever cries to you Please wipe away her tears

We ask you that you tell her When we say how much she's missed
We did not get to hug her tight Or give her one last kiss

When she looks down at her arms And sees that she has wings
Show her how to use them Please teach her all these things

Sweet baby till we meet again And get to hold you tight
The angels will take care of you And tuck you in at night

Her family cannot do these things For Riley anymore
But angels watching over her Will gladly do I'm sure

We will miss her so so much Our precious little girl
Please tell her that we send our love From all around the world

So fly high little Angel (RileyAnn) Fly high up above
And know that you will always and Forever have our love "

http://riley-ann-sawyers.memory-of.
com/About.aspx

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, I advised her to call the police. In fact, I offered to put her in contact with someone I know. And I told her exactly what you just said: go public. But I understood her. When you have children, things are more complicated.

As for the IT thing, most police forces have a special department which investigates only cyber crime. They are the ones who investigate online frauds, track paedophiles, etc. They take compaints about hackers. At least here there is a department which does. I've checked.

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, beatiful but very sad poem. Another one betrayed by those who she should trust the most.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

I have been looking at other contents of the site but have had to come out as I find it too emotional.

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

If the computer attacks are because of anything I have to say well how sad are they wasting time on such things. It just seems too much of a co-incidence. Any way as I said if I receive anything personal it will be posted on the www, they will regret it.

BBFN

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, I share your postion on that. I would be shouting from the roof tops, for all to hear.
Read you later.
I'll have to go soon too. Work commitments.

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, I can only imagine. Bastards who hurt little angles do not deserve to breathe.

docmac said...

Zodiac

Go to Control Panel>User Accounts. Create a new user account and make it a limited account. Then use that account when you use the net. Neither you nor anyone with malicious intent can load anything sinister on your computer while you are using such an account.

Also password-protect your current Administrator account (do NOT lose this password :-)) and they will not be able to get at any of your stuff if your password is secure. Remember to use both upper and lower case letters, as well as numbers and symbols (total of 7) eg g4>9A%d. Hope this is clear enough.

Claudia, no more news yet.

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Doc. :-)

docmac said...

Mum21 said...

Rotten-doc how the hell did you get hold of my first name?...is there anything in life that you do not profess to know about? Astrophysics, embroidery and watchmaking, to be honest.
What you actually come across as is "A jack of all trades...but master of none". See above. There are 3 things I know absolutely bugger all about.
You can bleat on all you like....but I know what I know. Yeah, sweet ****all
And that now is..... END OF!

PS: the dots are a code. Sometimes I use 4 dots...
(or 3) sometime 3..... (or 5) and often 5. (or 1). Great code!!
(Waves) Well, there would be where you live eh?

01 September 2008 14:36

Cláudia said...

Doc, PMSL.

Zodiac said...

Docmac,

Thanks.

Cláudia said...

Gina, why do you think that the photo I have of baby Sara is the same since she was 2 days old despite the fact that I have dozens of other photos and she is now two months old? Because she is completely different now and two day old babies are not recognisable in a matter of days. Older children are. Very recognisable.
I don't give a damn if you believe what I said about Alsabella or not. You have probably been the poster who has whinned the most about people not believing you. I know it's true, she knows it's true, the person who did it knows it's true and at least another independent person knows it's true, besides her family and friends, of course. A person like Alsabella would never go away if it wasn't something VERY serious. Criminal behaviour no matter how you look at it. And I do understand why she chose to keep away. When people have children, they become the top priority, no matter what. Or so it should be. At least to normal people. You know, those who do not forget their children outside shops and then laugh about it. This is the last time I'll discuss this with you.

Cláudia said...

Off to a meeting.
Be back in a couple of hours.

bath theory said...

McCann files has several interesting bits. Here is one about Clarence.


The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell is joining Freud Communications as a consultant.

He will join the agency on a twelve-month contract, specialising in issues and crisis management, media training and scenario planning.

He will continue to advise the McCanns, parents of missing child Madeline McCann, on a pro bono basis alongside his other clients Fiona MacKeown, the mother of the teenager Scarlet who was murdered in Goa, the parents of murdered teenager Jimmy Mizen and the parents of missing teenager Amy Fitzpatrick.

Mitchell said he had toyed with the idea of setting up his own agency, but thought joining Freud would offer him more security. He didn't rule out setting up his own agency in the future.

Zodiac said...

Got this link from 3 A's. Redsquare was asking if M running out of the apt and hiding was a myth or was there a link Firbank74 found the link.
Below is a portion of the article it is quite long also below is a link to the full article.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23407950-details/Madeleine+and+the+missing+hour:+how+often+did+the+McCanns+check+on+their+children/article.do


'Local newspapers and television have criticised the McCann group, who left their children alone for two and a half hours as they wined and dined.

One question being asked is why didn't the parents put their children in the evening creche which is open until 11.30pm? Why didn't they hire a babysitter, bookable at the Mark Warner reception desk?

In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.

Whatever the truth, to begin to unravel the mystery one has to go back to the seemingly carefree days at the start of the holiday.

Gerry and Kate McCann and their friends are like-minded people, with children of similar ages. And they knew each other in the Midlands. Mr McCann is a consultant cardiologist at a Leicester's Glenfield Hospital and his wife is a GP.

Until recently Dr Oldfield worked at Leicester general hospital. David Payne is a senior research fellow in cardiovascular sciences at Leicester University and his wife, Fiona, is a doctor. Another of the holidaymakers, Dr Russell O'Brien, also worked at Leicester University before moving this summer.

Recently they all went to Mark Warner's in Greece where they had devised a plan of leaving their children to sleep while they had dinner nearby.

As Mr McCann explained: "The distance is so small, it was so close it was almost like having dinner in your garden. What we were doing was rigorous with multiple people checking at regular intervals."

When asked if Madeleine might have wandered out through the unlocked patio windows towards the swimming pool, or beyond to the beach, the McCanns dismiss it out of hand.

"We're absolutely certain. We double and treble-checked and have no doubt she was taken," said Mr McCann. Yet another scenario is now emerging in the local press. It is built on the recollections of other guests and workers at the resort.

The official story from the McCanns is this. Mr McCann said he checked on his three children at 9.05pm. He noticed that a door in the apartment which had been left shut was ajar.

He thought nothing of it but it may have indicated that a kidnapper was already there. But his daughter was fast asleep so he went back to the tapas bar.

Another of the group, Jane Tanner, says she took her turn 10 minutes later. She claimed later to police that she saw a dark-haired man of about 35 carrying a child as she walked back to the bar afterwards but thought nothing of it.

Soon after her return - at 9.45pm - Dr Oldfield did his round of the bedrooms. In a first statement to police, it is unclear if he actually went inside the McCann flat.

Indeed, one scenario is that many of the checks of the children were not visible, but involved listening at doors or even from outside the apartments.

However, in a second statement Dr Oldfield insists he did look in Madeleine's bedroom, believes he saw her there, and that there was light coming in through the windows as though the heavy shutters had been opened.

Again, he thought little of it until afterwards. Then, of course, it was Mrs McCann's turn. She found Madeleine gone.

Madeleine's aunt Trish Cameron recalled that she received a call later that night from her younger brother, Mr McCann, who told her: "I went back to check the children at nine o'clock. They were all sound asleep, windows shut, shutters shut."

Mrs Cameron related that when Mrs McCann went to the two apartment a little under an hour later: "The shutters had been jemmied open. They think someone must have come in the window and gone out of the front door with Madeleine."

But what is now perturbing Portuguese police is how could she be abducted when the McCann group were checking so often? Or have reports inadvertently exaggerated how vigilant the parents really were?

A worker at the tapas bar says that only a tall man, believed to be Russell O'Brien, got up from the table during the entire evening. Of course, this witness might be wrong. A busy barman could not have eyes on the McCann party for two and a half hours.

And what of Najova Chekaya, the aerobics teacher running the quiz? She was invited over to the McCann table by Mr McCann himself when the game ended at 9.30. She stayed for half an hour. She later claimed to friends that nobody left the table.

There is another conundrum too. It concerns the sighting by Jane Tanner of the man carrying a child. He was wearing beige trousers and smart black shoes. Her report is taken seriously by police.

Yet a British holidaymaker, Jeremy Wilkins, has given a deposition that does not support her evidence. He knew Mr McCann because he played tennis with him, and was walking his eight-month-old son in the night air when the drama unfolded.

He says that he met Mr McCann, who had come out of his apartment at 9.05pm, and had a word with him. Soon after that Jane Tanner would have crossed paths with Mr Wilkins and his baby.'

Zodiac said...

BT and he has the effrontery to accuse others of making money out of this missing child. How many is he using, imo, to set himself up in business or using them to step onto elsewhere?

nancy said...

BT -

Hurrah! Perhaps we'll see a little less of his smarmy pink face on the television and the newspapers now!!


Nx

bath theory said...

Nancy did you say pink face? yes you did. I still would like to know if he has children or whether he is single as I find his public persona extremely unpleasant myself. Maybe he is a pleasant guy in a different setting but tell me the setting Nancy?

bath theory said...

Zodiac
this is the bit that is very important as it truly exposes them for who they are.

'...Madeleine's aunt Trish Cameron recalled that she received a call later that night from her younger brother, Mr McCann, who told her: "I went back to check the children at nine o'clock. They were all sound asleep, windows shut, shutters shut." Mrs Cameron related that when Mrs McCann went to the two apartment a little under an hour later: "The shutters had been jemmied open. They think someone must have come in the window and gone out of the front door with Madeleine."

This is not information but evidence surely. He told his own sister and others too that the shutters had been jemmied open that first night. IE the night he spent on the phone selling a story to his family back home rather than looking for his eldest child in the resort. I may not be a lawyer but to me it is EVIDENCE.

Also, where was the jemmy hidden. An intruder seen by JT obviously
hid it down one of his trousers!!!

bath theory said...

The PJ confirmed the shutters had not been forced open and so did the Mark Warner company. Get him back for questioning now Leicestershire Police

Zodiac said...

BT,

I agree.

Also re: 'Maybe he is a pleasant guy in a different setting but tell me the setting Nancy?'

A cosy glass of wine with two people he coNsiders to be important. Another glass of NZ wine K and G oh let me get that bowl of tapas for you, more focaccia anything else Sire, Ma'am.

Cláudia said...

Gina, now you broke my heart. I think I can no longer continue posting.
By the way, one part of the paedophile problem in Portugal are the paedos who come from your country. Those we would know absolutely nothing about if a British child hadn't gone missing here, because your authorities only thought it was worth mentioning, after the possibility of an English child having been hurt by one of those monsters.

Poophead, the mother of that child is my best friend. We know each other since we were 12. She was obvilously asked about the avatar before I used it. And FYI, most of the libellous posts I collected, from you and your gang were sent to me by her, who helped me when I had little time.
Alsabella is fine, as far as I know. And yes, she yold me as soon as she solved her 'problem' she would be back. But I understand if she is never back. Nothing is more important than one's children. For some.
Oh, was it you who posted a photo of your grandchildren for the whole www, full of perverts and paedos, to see? I never thought responsible, loving parents would make such a stupid mistake. I'm shocked. Forgetting about them outside shops is ok. But that? Oh my.
Happy rantings, Poops.

Cláudia said...

His Pinkness got another job? Finally. I bet their last employers are relieved. He did them no favours at all.

Cláudia said...

Why dialogue is a good thing

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

I sent a message to you via your blog. Let me know what you think?

BBL

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, working on it.
Don't worry. It won't be published.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, you got mail.

bath theory said...

Claudia

See more at Mccann files

'...The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell is joining Freud Communications as a consultant.

He will join the agency on a twelve-month contract, specialising in issues and crisis management, media training and scenario planning...'

Cláudia said...

BT, scenario planning? Interesting. What a great job. Bet the children will be proud of dad. Just like if he was a police officer, a firefighter, or some other kind of national hero.

bath theory said...

You mean he is a dad? I did not know that.

Talking of scenario planning I have
read your link to why dialogue is a good thing and what struck me about that is ...

another scenario has emerged and fits in with the rumours about swingers and could explain the tightness of this lot.

D.P + K.H are busy with each other when Madeleine interupts and sees them up to something. KH reacts instinctively and hits out and a 'problem' occurs. D.P goes back via tennis court to inform G.M & to his apartment to inform his wife F.P and she goes to help out her friend K.H (remember in her statement F.P says she goes running on the beach at about this time) G.M returns from the tennis court to organise the clean up and D.P returns to the tennis court leaving mother in law to attend their children thus giving alibi and time to talk to the other men in the party. Thus G.M + K.H + F.P are in the apartment and a plan gets hatched.

I am not saying this happened I am merely suggesting this type of thing could have as it
1) Fits in with the swinging rumour.
2) Fits in with timings and statements
3) Gives a motive for an insticntive reaction.
4) Explains why they all stick together as they are all intimately involved/connected.
5) Fits in with Madeleine being a bonny curious little girl.

What do you think ? Is it possible?

Cláudia said...

Comments so far.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Police-Investigate-Possible-Home-Alone-Case-After-Finding-Three-Children-At-Home-In-Leeds/Article/200809115090641?lpos=UK%2BNews_2&lid=ARTICLE_15090641_Police%2BInvestigate%2BPossible%2B%2527Home%2BAlone%2527%2BCase%2BAfter%2BFinding%2BThree%2BChildren%2BAt%2BHome%2BIn%2BLeeds


What a disgraceful society we live in, full of greedy people who have no consideration for others. Years ago you had to have a license to own a dog but any muppet can have children. It is no wonder our prisons are full to maximum capacity.
Posted By :Lisa

ITS DISGUSTING THAT PARENTS WHO L;EAVE THERE KIDS ALONE ARE GETTING AWAY SCOTT FREE THIS WOMAN SHOULD BE FOUND AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE ALSO THE MACANNS SHOULD HAVE THE BOOK THROWN AT THEM FOR LEAVING THERE KIDS ALONE AND GOING DRINKING ITS DISGUSTING.\n\nMARK
Posted By :MARK KIRWAN

As a single mother to a 2 and a half year old, i have to always put his safety as paramount. There are times when i would like to just walk down to my local pub for the evening but i can't just do that. ANY parent or carer looking after children should NEVER ever leave them alone to their own devices. I read recently that a woman left her 2 year old boy locked in her kitchen for the weekend so she could go away with the new boyfriend!!!!! He was only found when he managed to reach the kitchen tap gasping for a drink of water and flooded the flat he was left alone in! Words fail as to what goes through the minds of these sort of sad, mad and very bad people - there are some odduns out there! Those poor little mites - what have they done to deserve this.
Posted By :Amanda

I wonder if these parents will front a campaign on child safety!
Posted By :Leah

What does it matter if you are abroad or in England .YOU DO NOT LEAVE YOUNG CHILDREN ALONE . Anything can happen and the parents who do should be charged with neglect fined and made to do community work of some sort, as prison would only harm the children more.
Posted By :chloe

Well, I do hope Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith will be contacting the parents and offering them high level support.\nI also trust JK Rowling will spring bail and that Brian Kennedy will pay the legal fees.\nAnd of course let us also insist that they get Clarence Mitchell as spokesperson.\n
Posted By :susana

to Evelyn\nThe McCanns did'nt make a mistake, they deliberately left their children ALONE, why should they or any other that does the same be left alone?
Posted By: Melvyn

Maureen and Evelyn.\nIt's not a case of being perfect, it's a case of being a responsible parent. And the McCanns seem to have repeated their tragic mistake, night after night.\nTaking the ages of their 3 children and their friend's children into account, they shouls ALL have been charged with child neglect.\nAs professional people, they should have known better.\nBut they all put themselves first, above their dependent children.
Posted By: Mags

Come on don't be silly the state will not buy her a BMW but she will get help from social services to sort herself out. It is far better that she reamins with her children than she is put in prison as the first option costs us less than the second option.\n\nHowever, I do agree that any person that leaves there children alone for however short a period of time is one short of a full six pack as it only takes a minute for something to happen which may change that childs life forever.
Posted By: A Soldier

Mags, goergiecat and Chris, give it a rest! do you honestly think the Mc Canns got off scot free? Every day is nightmare for them and I am sure they will live to regret thier actions till the day they die. If only we were all as perfect as you lot...............
Posted By: Maureen

Yes, tragically this story is linked to the McCanns - We all know they made a tragic mistake but really - what sensible person in this day and age would ever considering leaving a kid alone - its bad enough in their own country but abroad?? I have never and will never leave my kids alone and they are alot older than the McCanns kids were. Anyone who leaves their kids should be locked up - end of!!
Posted By: Julie

As a father of 3 i feel angry that people do this up and down the country, wether going to the pub,a short holiday,or left in a parked car outside a supermarket for an hour ..ITS WRONGFUL NEGLECT.\nTHEY SHOULD NEVER OF HAD CHILDREN THESE POEPLE MAKE ME SICK.. take them away and give them to decent people who could not have children of there own..THERE IS NO JUSTICE.\nPOOR MITES. Oh and 2 years prison to mam might make her think.
Posted By: kenny

But she only has a mini metro - surely the public can get her a BMW or something to go to court in before she's found 'not guilty' of child neglect.
Posted By: Martin

The comments linking the McCanns to the actions of someone leaving their children for days on end are uncalled for. The McCanns made a tragic mistake, one that they will regret for the rest of their lives. Leave them in peace.
Posted By: Evelyn Ralston

Well, others have got off with leaving small children alone, so now everybody thinks it's okay to do it.
Posted By: Mags

bath theory said...

If you think like me this is apossible scenario please read Claudia's link six contributions above this one titled 'Why dialogue is a good thing.'

Cláudia said...

Bath theory, I don't know if he is a dad. I think I read somewhere that he is.
You know I'm not much of a theorist. And personally I have always focused more on the neglect side of the case, although I do find so many inconsistencies weird and the reluctance to do a reconstruction even more weird, along with the refusal to answer 48 questions. Everything is possible, Bath Theory. And I can't say that there is much about this case that could surprise me anymore.
P.S: I just had another intrusin attempt at 19:16. Three today.

docmac said...

Claudia said:

"P.S: I have used proxy servers to visit ANY pro place since the problem with Alsabella's blog. And I'll continue to do so everytime."

Rosiepops said:

"Why? What have you got to hide? You must be up to no good by using these servers all the time. People that are ashamed of themselves and who have guilty secrets use these proxy servers, some of them apparently show people to be in the US when they are really in the UK. Some show them in TWO places in the US at the SAME time and some even show them to be in South Africa in two places at the same time when they are in the UK.
I wonder just what it is that you are hiding?"


Docmac said:

The onion routing relay server that I use was devised by the US Naval Research Laboratory and is currently used by:

US Armed Forces including field agents and military intelligence AND thir allies in Iraq and Afghanistan
Law enforcement officers, including those involved in online surveillance, sting ops and truly anonymous tip lines
The FBI
The CIA
Many large banks in the US, UK and Europe
Reporters without Borders
Voice of America/Radio Free Europe/Radio Free Asia
Citizen journalists in China
Human rights activists
Patent attornies
Large corporations
Amnesty International
Government whistleblowers
THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT.



All up to no good, ashamed of themselves and hiding guilty secrets then. Well, I can believe that about the last-mentioned bunch anyway.

What? You don't believe two people from one country could be visiting your forum at the same time? lolol!!

Cláudia said...

"Well, I can believe that about the last-mentioned bunch anyway."

LOL

!What? You don't believe two people from one country could be visiting your forum at the same time? lolol!!"

Doc, I think she might be right about that. Highly unlikely! LOL

Di said...

Good evening all

Sorry I have not been around much. We are back in Wales for the next few days with workmen in and out.

Claudia

The story of the 3 children left home alone in Leeds is incredible. However, the comments do not surprise me at all. It will be interesting to see where the police go with this case, watch out McCanns the backlash could be interesting!!

Cláudia said...

Di, it's good to see the spin does not always work, isn't it? And on SKY!!! Remember how it was on Sky? It still amazes me to read something like that there. Really.

docmac said...

lol Claudia

Now Jane and tonic is in on the act again, first posting as Anon and then a few minutes later using her Blogger ID. I'm sure she can't really tell the difference anyway, but then she says "AM i HEARING things? I think I was just told the blog from hell asked if clarence mitchell had kids and who is he to judge...bla di bla."

Not even sure whether she was told or not, lol! Driiiiink!!

Di said...

Hi BT

The pink one is married I believe it was also said that his wife had a miscarriage whilst he was in Portugal and he did not go home to support her. Says it all!!

Di said...

Hi Doc

Oh dear, I have just fed their den!!

Di said...

And I missed a comma :o(((

Di said...

Claudia

I am amazed that Sky are allowing all the anti comments. I agree things have changed and about time too.

docmac said...

Hi Di

I'm slowly drifting away, lots to do and an early rise tomorrow.

Di said...

Hi & bye Docmac

I am off now to watch some tv.

Hopefully see you all tomorrow, if not I will be reading back.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOL. I don't doubt she hears things.
Driiink!

Cláudia said...

Bye, Di.

nancy said...

BT -

I can't imagine CM being a pleasant guy in any company apart from those who can help him climb to the heights he so obviously desires! He would swear black was white if it would help him professionally in my opinion! Oh how he has enjoyed being a pink celebrity this past 15 months or so! Let's hope his hold over the media is fast losing it's grip too!

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Chaps,

Just back from my hols in the South of France, feeling rested and full of Vitamin D, which obviously helped me remember to return with the same number of children I went with. (Not fashionable in certain parts, I know).

Slowly catching up with what's been happening...

X

dylan said...

Hi all!

I've just had a read back and, oh dear! I see I am now being threatened? What for? For mentioning christian names? And more to the point, you evil, spiteful creatures from the dark side, what with??? You can't sue me for mentioning christian names on the web. Nobody on here or anywhere else on the net (apart from ST's rotten, festering blog) gives a damn if they put two and two together to work out who I am. So if somebody does come to mine, I'll know who to direct the police to won't I?!

Enough of that. It's all so petty I can't be bothered anymore! Docmac and Claudia, good to see you are both holding up well in the face of all this and with your usual intelligent humour! You do make them look stupid, but then, that's not difficult is it?!

Di, sorry to hear that you have to have more work done on the house, but at least you get to have time away in lovely Wales :-)

I'm off for now. It's been a busy day. Elly is back to school tomorrow and Ryan and Laura are back Wednesday. Can't believe how quickly the hols have gone!

xx

Cláudia said...

"I'm off for now. It's been a busy day. Elly is back to school tomorrow and Ryan and Laura are back Wednesday. Can't believe how quickly the hols have gone! "

That's it! I've been pretending to defend you but now I had enough, you evil woman. I'm calling the police. They have to know that apart from naming your children you have the nerve to tell the whole www they will be back to school. That's enough for me, missy!
;-)

P:S: Dylan, you can solve all of your problems in a very simple way. You just have to delete all the post they don't like (that would be all your posts), ask them for forgiveness, lick their huge arses, set up an altar at your place with K and G in the place of Jesus and Mary, forget one or two of your kids outside a shop, defend convicted child killers like Leonor Cipriano, João Cipriano and Michael Cook (Rachel Charle's murderer) and then you may be forgiven and been given entrance to the club. Easy, isn't it? :-)

docmac said...

Hi LGC!

Hope you had a fantastic time :-))

PS: Kindly do not include me in your list of 'chaps'. It sounds like something Clarrie might wear :-)

dylan said...

Claudia, lolololol!!! I'm busted! What with over a million kids called "Elly" going back to school tomorrow, I've really narrowed it down for the www!!

If I said i'm a fan of Gary Glitter - do you think that would be enough to bring me into favour? I haven't got room for a Kate and Gerry shrine I'm afraid as my walls are plastered with mugshots and paintings of the top 2000 most gruesome European murderers. I only have one square foot of wall left and I'm saving that for a minibar to keep all my daily booze in ;-)

LGC! wonderful to see you again! Glad you had a lovely time away. Happy reading (well some of it) hunny xx

bath theory said...

Hi Little Grey Cell, not long now before the House of Cards starts to shatter me thinks. i am very positive about this. The ether of the common man is strong today.

bath theory said...

Hi Doc
Just sent you an e-mail. Sorry for delay.

:)

docmac said...

Hi Dyl

Hopefully you did not e-mail ST and one would hope if you have made that mistake before that you have changed your address.

That person is seriously interested in collecting e-mail addresses and 'promising' he won't betray the trust of anyone who provides one. Well, look what happened to the trust that Hope placed in his hands, hey?

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Docmac and Dillie,

Had a fab time, thanks! There was that big yellow thing in the sky every day, don't think there's a word for it in English.

Hope everyone's well.

Oh, Doc, do you really see Clarrie as John Wayne???

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Bath Theory,

Yes, totally agree. Whether they can see it or not, there are so many different layers that can ultimately lead to their downfall...

docmac said...

Hi BT

Have just read your e-mail. You and I have EXACTLY the same idea as to what actually happened.

Did you get my other mail that explained what I am doing now?

Firmes y Dignos - whatever that means :-))

nancy said...

Bath Theory -

Your scenario above could be so near the truth, especially the bit about the tapas pals all sticking together.

IMO they all got together after Madeleine disappeared or whatever and concocted the visit every half hour story to prove to the world that they weren't such terrible parents after all! The truth could be far different, i.e. they didn't visit at all - didn't one waiter say that only O'Brien left the table all night? To say that waiters are too busy to watch people eating and drinking is poppycock. They have their eyes peeled all the time, especially for anyone trying to get out of the door without paying, because many people do just that, and especially towards the end of their holiday when their funds have run out!

We only have the tapas' pals words that they checked every half hour and I for one wouldn't believe a word that comes out of their mouths - the problem is disproving what they said!

I believe that if the tapas friends were certain that the McCanns were innocent and that they truly believed Madeleine had been abducted, they would all have been much more vocal on behalf of the McCanns during the past 15 months. Added to that the fact they didn't go back to PdeL with or without the McCanns to help with a reconstruction only adds to that belief. They were worried everything would come unstuck!

The lot of them are sitting on time bombs which will explode when someone in their party contradicts some vital evidence and the truth comes out, which it surely will!

Zodiac said...

Hi LGC,

Glad you had a lovely holiday.

Dylan,

'If I said i'm a fan of Gary Glitter - do you think that would be enough to bring me into favour?'

LOL!

Cláudia said...

Welcome back, LGC! We've missed you! :-)

Dylan, LOL
A MINI bar? How are you supposed to satisfy your thirst with a MINI bar, woman? ;-)

To all of you. Check and laugh:

Sexy

docmac said...

LGC

Yes :-)))))))))

What brain-frying device did you eventually buy, by the way?

hope4truth said...

Hi ALL

Oh LGC have you been away somewhere hot you lucky thing???

Doc

I have never e mailed Troll are you mixing me up with someone else???

xxx

nancy said...

Hi LGC -

Lovely to see you back on the blog!

We missed you and Opus both!

Baking hot here in Spain, and cold and rainy in many parts of the UK!

So what about the global warming then! Just when will it hit the UK!

docmac said...

Hi Hope

I don't think so. ST boasted on more than one occasion about it. Of course he talks a lot of Sh1t most of the time.

But I do remember something else too...

Cláudia said...

Bum, your knowledge of Alsabella is as good as your knowledge of poetry. Zero, zilch, nothing, nada. What happened to Alsabella is the truth of your side of the fence. And you can be sure, if it ever happens to me, I'll call the police and I'll publicise it anywhere I can thing of. Which was exactly what I told her in an hour long telephone conversation months ago.
I also remember something very well. What you did with her avatar. And that made it perfectly clear the type of old woman you are.

nancy said...

Claudia

Just read your 'sexy' thread - so the dreaded CM is going to continue 'advising' the McCanns on a monthly retainer basis! I suppose that is so they'll still have someone to talk for them while they pull the strings!!
No wonder the fund is running very low! I suppose it hasn't occurred to the McCanns to spend the money they give to him on actually looking for Madeleine!!

I expect he'll end up one day as the McCann's butler pouring out the pink champagne while they take numerous baths in their mansion in the Bahamas!

I hope they remember to put the cat out!!

hope4truth said...

Hiya Doc

I have never e mailed ST I did once e mail Ass from a throw away address ages ago and got a reply that made no sense to me at all...

What else do you remeber I am intreagued and if ST is boasting that I e mail her then it proves she is lying (well it only actually proves it to me as I know 100% I never)....

xxx

nancy said...

Goodnight one and all -

Off to get some beauty sleep and I certainly need it!!



Nx

Joe said...

If book sales in PT are anything top go by then not many people believe the McCanns.....best seller in PT. Next Spain,France, Holland and soon the UK...... the bok they could'nt stop.

This from the McCann files...





"Maddie: The Truth of The Lie" confirmed in Italian and Dutch SOSMaddie blog (French language site)

Duarte Levy
01.09.2008

According to a manager at the Portuguese publisher, "Guerra e Paz," the book by Gonçalo Amaral, former head of the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance, is going to be published in Italian and in Dutch.

"Maddie: The Truth of The Lie," is a description of the events and witness statements in the Madeleine McCann case.

"This is not my personal conviction, it is about all the work of a team of Portuguese police officers and English police officers and duly monitored by the Public Ministry," states the former coordinator of the PJ's Department of Criminal Investigation (DIC) about his book.

A best seller in Portugal, "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie," is presented in Spain this week. A French version is confirmed while the English translation is only waiting for a release date to be announced, in spite of the veritable, "embargo," imposed by the McCanns.

In Spain with Esquilo

During the first two weeks of September, the Spanish edition of "Maddie: The Truth of The Lie", published by Esquilo Publishing and Multimedia, will be presented in Madrid, Barcelona, Seville and in Galicia. The publisher has already made a blog available on the internet with information about the book:

docmac said...

Hope

Has it occurred to you that Ass and ST are 'related'?

Cláudia said...

Nancy, I couldn't avoi laughing at the butler thing! LOL

Joe, nice or what? Another 3 countries to sue. That's a lot of work. Of course they could start by the author of the book.

Cláudia said...

Doc, you got mail.

docmac said...

Joe

That book and it's sequel are going to make the author very, very rich. But more importantly it is going to nail the McScams. Go Gonc!

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Zodiac and Claudia,

Thanks for your welcome! Great to be back, especially feeling recharged. Amazing what time away can do for a person.

X

LittleGreyCell said...

Docamc,

John Wayne? As in "Get off your high horse"?

Got (for free!) a Nokia N95. AMAZING MACHINE!!! I've never loved a machine as much as I love this...are you familiar with it?

Cláudia said...

"Anonymous said...
Alsabella is Felicia Cabrita. The reason why her blog went is that her editor from Sol pulled the plug on it suddenly one day out of the blue."

lololol
Nope. Wrong again!
I actually spoke to her on the phone. And Felícia's voice is impossible to mistake. Sorry, Felícia darling, but you do sound like a man. :-) She's the second person to speak, by the way. :-)

http://203.15.102.140/elg/portuguese-080704-0c1.mp3

bath theory said...

My knowledge of Sales Promotion and Marketing is from a previous decade and so is my knowledge of working for a publisher but I would maintain this 'snowball' technique and market the book in ALL European countries before it hits Britain. It will be like a tsunami picking up momentum across the waves.

Thank you Mr Amaral.

hope4truth said...

Doc

I dont know I am not sure about that one when I emailed Ass I asked her if she was Viv as she said she had something to tell me and thought that may be it LOL but she came back with a garbled response about Viv which made no sense at all...

I only e mailed once from an address that I got rid of a few weeks later and only got one reply this was months ago though...

xxx

Cláudia said...

LGC, I'm trying to forget that my holidays are over for what it seems a whole century. :-)

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Nancy and Hope,

Thanks for your kind messages!

Yes, Hope, have been chilling (heating) in Provence en vacances. Apparently, it's fashionable down there to go out without galoshes and twelve layers of underwear...

X

Cláudia said...

Doc,

Cláudia said...

mail!

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