1 Aug 2008

Large diffused stain of SUPPOSED sightings

Well guys I think this report confirms those sightings do not have a lot of credence for the PJ and will put set aside as they say for further investigation, which I guarantee is ongoing!
This I predict will be what really hangs the McCanns, fraudsters get carried away with their over-zealous efforts to con and manipulate and as we now know, this is also coming directly from Kate McCann and has done since the very outset. fOR gER
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NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector João Carlos
Denouncer/Offended – Judiciary Police
Denunciated/Arguidos - Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat,
identified and questioned at pgs. 1170, 1947 and
1959.
*Gerald Patrick McCann, identified and
questioned at pgs. 2569.
*Kate Marie Healy, identified and questioned at
pgs. 2557.
Witnesses/Persons inquired – see Index
Type of Crime – Unknown
Time and Place – Between 21H05 and 22H00 of the day 3 May of 2007,
at the G5A apartment, located at the touristic resort ‘Ocean Club’, Vila da
Luz, Lagos.
Apprehended Objects – see Index (all the apprehended objects were
given back to the owners by means of term)
Examinations done – see Index
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***Final Report***
*Introduction*
These documents relate to an occurrence which describes the
disappearance of a minor of British nationality, Madeleine Beth McCann,
daughter of Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, on the date with
three (almost four) years old.
According to the Time and Place, the facts occurred on the day 3 of May of
2007, in a temporal hiatus, understood to be between 21H05 and 22H00
(being certain that after 17H30, only Gerald and Kate had contact with
Madeleine) at the resort named ‘Ocean Club’, located in Vila da Luz, Lagos,
place, where the minor’s family, along with seven other persons, with
whom they had a friendship relationship, where enjoying some holidays,
with the duration of one week.
The arrival of the group from England, at national territory, via Faro’s
airport, took place on the 28 of April 2007.
They travelled in two separate groups, since they live in different locations.
The trip from the airport to the place of Luz was done in a mini bus,
provided by the resort management company ‘Mark Warner’.
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Upon check-in, they were placed into several apartments, all located in
block G5, next to each other, which was an imposition, or at least a
suggestion, made by the entire group.
They were all lodged in the ground floor, except the PAYNE family (David,
Fiona and Diane Webster), which was lodged in the first floor.
The MCCANN family was given apartment G5A, which is located on the
left end of the residential block (seen from the front) and therefore, it can
be said, the most accessible one and with facilitated visibility from the
outside.
This is a group where seven of the elements are medics, from various
specialties, which adds to the fact that all of them have under-age children,
which accompanied them. The MCCANN family was composed of the
parents, as well as MADELEINE and the twins SEAN and AMELIE, these
being two years old, at the date of the facts.
This trip was organized by the PAYNE family, namely by the male element
of the couple, DAVID ANTHONY PAYNE, who had knowledge, as a user,
of the tourist resorts that belong to the “Mark Warner” company.
The group shared among themselves a friendship that existed before this
trip, based on professional relationships and other holiday trips.
It is pointed out that this was the first time that the elements of the group
were on holidays at this resort on national territory for the first time, and
that the group’s will to carry out the trip was planned approximately one
month before it took place.
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On the other hand, nothing indicates that any of the participants had any
previous connection to Vila da Luz or that there resided or stayed any
person related to them.
The group’s daily routine implied their movement, for dinner, to the Tapas
Restaurant, which is located at the resort (although outside of the specific
area of the apartments and without permitting a complete visual control of
the latter), while their underage children remained alone – supposedly
asleep – in their apartments while the dinner was under way.
According to the group’s common version, the checking of the children was
done through regular visits by the adults to the apartments, with an –
approximate – spacing of half an hour, with the exception of the children of
the PAYNE couple, that possessed a technological system of self control,
via intercommunication (“baby listening”).
Constitution of the group:
DAVID ANTHONY PAYNE – apartment 5H (first floor)
FIONA ELAINE PAYNE
DIANNE WEBSTER
RUSSEL JAMES O’BRIEN – apartment 5D
JANE MICHELLE TANNER
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MATTHEW DAVID OLDFIELD – apartment 5B
RACHAEL MARIAMMA (sic) JEAN MANPILLY
GERALD PATRICK McCANN – apartment 5A
KATE MARIE HEALY
The aforementioned persons were interviewed carefully and in great detail,
on various occasions (see index), with the intention to collect all the
relevant elements that could help the investigation to uncover the truth
regarding the facts.
The analysis of the grouping of these inquiries emphasized the existence of
important details which were not entirely understood and integrated, which
needed to be, from our viewpoint, tested and compared together
[concatenated] in the actual location.
As such, a concrete understanding of the lack of synergy of some aspects
of elevated relevance should be attempted through a processed diligence
via the reconstitution of the facts, which, due to a lack of collaboration of
several relevant witnesses, was not able to be accomplished, in spite of all
the force brought by the authorities.
Further ahead, in this report, the necessity of this diligence will be better
analysed.
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* * *
The investigation, during more than 13 months, followed all the credible
indices related to different hypotheses and, in an impartial manner,
continued to analyse, correlate and synthesize them, looking for an
explanation for the happenings of the night of 3 May 2007.
Assuming that the minor’s disappearance was due to the acts of third
parties, the PJ explored various lines of investigation, not excluding any
hypothesis considered plausible or hypothetically acceptable.
From the documentation, you will observe that during the investigation
various possibilities were contemplated.
As such, consider:
1. abduction, for sexual exploration or other (e.g, later adoption, child
trafficking, organ trafficking), without homicide;
2. abduction, followed by homicide with (or without) hiding of the
corpse;
3. accidental death, with later hiding of the corpse;
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The Hypothesis 1 and 2 were considered in the double notion of the illicit of
abduction (if that happened) that could have had occurred due to feelings
of revenge by the
Kidnapper(s) towards the parents (intended abduction) or by taking merely
the opportunity of the child being at a vulnerable situation (opportunity
abduction).
As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment
by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically
– and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she
would have disappeared.
* * *
As to the present report, and for a better understanding, it will be divided
in to 5 major areas, to know:
- Generic diligences for the localization of the minor, entwined in the main
body of the Inquest, done by the Judiciary Police, the Maritime Police and
the G.N.R.;
- Thematic Appendixes, in a total of nine (sub-divided into 55 volumes)
referred to the pgs. 3528-a, whose creation allows to complement the main
body of the processes and to follow up all the information received and
treated;
- The suspicions about ROBERT MURAT, and his status of arguido;
- The Cadaver Dogs Units searches and the subsequent establishment of
the parents of the British minor, GERALD MCCANN and KATE HEALY as
arguidos;
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- The forensic and laboratorial exams, done at the Forensic Science Service
and at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine, from now on designated
as the FSS and INML, correspondingly;
Even though there is this division in to sub groups, the present report will
be done by order of occurrence or information, without the obstacle of
joining by themes, when the chronological order it is not sufficient.
* * *
As stated before, it was done a presentation of the intervenients in the
process and a brief introduction of the facts. Following, we will do a more
detailed explanation, where, likewise, the various intervenients will match
and the actions done by them will take on a procedural relevance.
* * *
Relative to the appendixes, in a total of nine, where divided thematically as
stated:
Appendix I – Forensic Exams – where all the exams and forensics that
were carried out by scientific and technical entities, specifically those who
are destined to the detection, collection and traces analyses that could lead
to the understanding of what happened and to the discovery of the culprits
in the disappearance of the minor.
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Appendix II – Analysis of communications – where all the inventory,
analysis and pertinent correlations, which were possible and eventually
relevant about the communications and movements that were made before,
during and after the facts, were made;
Appendix III – Inspections, canine, maritime and air searches –
where the specific diligences that were carried out in an attempt to
physically locate the minor, especially in the surrounding areas, are
described;
Appendix IV – Searches/apprehensions, direct exams,
delivery/deposit of goods – where the set of diligences that were directed
on goods or items that could eventually be connected to the disappearance
are listed;
Appendix V – Supposed sightings and localizations – where the news
that had some credibility and signalled the alleged presence of the child in
various locations worldwide, as well as the hundreds of diligences that were
carried out to confirm or dismiss them, are listed.
As it is known, the disappearance of the British minor, under the
circumstances that were described, implied the action of diverse entities,
with special relevance for the intervention of the Polícia Judiciária, which was
joined by other forces of criminal police. In parallel, this disappearance
concentrated an unmatched dynamics from the media, both national and
foreign, namely and with more emphasis in the United Kingdom, which filled,
for days in a row, their news at prime time with live transmissions from
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Praia da Luz, and special programmes that were dedicated to the issue.
On the other hand, the parents of the minor redoubled their efforts to
make the most diverse contacts and appeals, releasing pictures of
MADELEINE, at the same time that the British Authorities opened a
specialised and permanent contact line to receive all the information in
connection with the disappearance, as well as information coming from
Interpol and similar police agencies.
This activity (dissemination of information), apart from news provided by
the media, was aimed at obtaining, in the shortest possible time,
information that would aid the investigation in 2 different ways:
finding MADELEINE alive and retrieve data about the circumstances of her
disappearance and about a potential criminal involvement by a third party,
having to that end been requested the committed cooperation of the
population.
This collaborative approach resulted in many leads being passed onto the
police, by the most diverse sources and by the most unusual means, most
of them made directly to the police.
From 04/05/2007, the day after the event, initially at an enormous rate,
thousands of sightings were reported to the police, from everywhere in
Portugal and the most diverse foreign countries, from neighbouring Spain
to the distant Indonesia and Singapore, being the missing minor
"recognised" in the most diverse locations and companies to the extent
that she is suposedly seen on the same day in places 4000 Km apart.
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Some of the information did not merit, due to the circumstances
surrounding it, the least credibility, leaving those, at the other extreme,
which required a more solid and effective systemization and treatment.
Those which, by their geography and time-space relevance, seemed
credible were thoroughly explored and included in the documentation and
this appendix.
There remains a large, diffuse stain of supposed sightings and localizations
– some receiving notable emphasis, such as those in Belgium and Morocco
– which had few, vague, discordant, incompatible or incongruent elements,
which deserved a treatment with a view towards their infirmação or set
aside for the future, should solid elements arise, which all are herein
included;
Appendix VI 1 – Information/Lists of Suspects of Sexual Crimes –
where you will find a detailed reviews, from the perspective of the
possibility of encountering correlations with suspects with sexual motives;
Appendix VI 2 – Diligences and Exploration of Information related
to the aforementioned – in which, in conformity with that already
expressed and in order to provide a better consultation, were gathered the
information collected about residents in the surrounding areas – temporary
and permanent – as well as a listing of local crime (break-ins and others)
and crimes of a sexual nature. The information provided came to this Police
by individual knowledge, through British authorities or by other sources;
Appendix VII - Letters Rogatory – outlining the diligences performed,
at the request of the Portuguese judiciary, in foreign countries;
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Appendix VIII – Transportation, Movement and Location of
Sightings – in this appendix are collected and analyzed the information
related to possible means of transportation/flight, by land means (road—
trains), sea and air. Also explored were information related to the delivery
of photographs from individuals in the area for holidays and obtained by
the Police, along with various hotel chains, whose examinations yielded
nothing useful;
Appendix IX – Juridic Actions
In addition, and in spite of its irrelevance, there were meanwhile added 22
“dossiers” with notifications of a speculative or clearly incredible nature,
such as psychic visions or divinations, which will not be included with the
documentation, but which you will find carefully organized, in the
eventuality that they may need to be consulted in the future.
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* DEVELOPMENT *
The present documentation originated from a process elaborated by this
Police, having received notice of the disappearance of a minor of British
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nationality of three years of age. The occurrence was communicated by the
GNR at 00h10 on 4 May 2007.
According to that police force, the disappearance would have occurred at
22H40 (later on it was verified that the detection and the subsequent alarm
of the same, in reality happened, between 22H00 and 22H10 of the day 3 of
May of 2007, in one of the apartments of the tourist resort ‘Ocean Club’,
located at Vila da Luz, Lagos, where a family composed by a couple and 3
children under aged were staying.
Topologically, the apartment is composed by two bedrooms, a kitchen, a
living room and a bathroom, with easy access to the street, from the both
the front and the back, where there is a small balcony and a sliding door.
At the time of the disappearance, the children were alone in the apartment.
However the couple, during dinner, went two times to the same, one of
those times being the one where the mother (KATE) noticed that her oldest
daughter was no longer there alerting all for that fact.
Aware of this fact, the police squad went to the place, to initiate the relevant
investigative steps, at that moment.
Immediately they proceeded with the identifications of the progenitors,
GERALD MCCANN and KATE HEALY, as well as of the disappeared minor,
MADELEINE BETH MCCANN, born on the 12 of May of 2003, in the United
Kingdom. Besides MADELEINE the couple has two more children, twins, with
two years old, at the time of the facts, who were also staying in the same
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bedroom from where the child disappeared.
Informally, GERALD MCCANN said that he was on the resort since the 28 of
April 2007, on vacation, for a period of time corresponding to a week. The
day after their arrival, 29/05/07, they started doing their meals at the
‘Ocean Club’ restaurant, which is distanced a few meters away from the
apartment, with the company of three other couples, who had also travelled
with them.
Specifically to what is relative to the day 3, he alleged that:
- they woke up around 07H30, had breakfast in the apartment, going
out at around 09H00;
- soon after, they left their children at the nursery, until 12H30;
- around 14H30, after lunch, they put their children back at the
nursery, this time until 17H00;
- at 17H30 they did the children’s hygiene, and settle them in their
respective beds by 19H30, all in the same bedroom;
- at 20H30, the couple went out to the restaurant;
- at 21H05/21H15 the father went to check the children, noticing that
all was normal, the window and the blinds were closed, however the
door to the room seemed more opened than when he had left;
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- at around 9.20 p.m., a friend from the group, JANE TANNER, when
heading for her apartment, noticed an individual who carried a child in
his arms, walking down the road. She described him as aged 30 to 40,
with dark hair and wearing light coloured trousers;
- at 9.30 p.m., it was the time for another friend, MATTHEW
OLDFIELD, to go to the MCCANNS’ apartment to check on the
children, but he only saw the twins, given the fact that he did not
enter the room. In order to see MADELEINE’S bed, he would have to
go inside. He detected nothing out of the ordinary;
- at around 10 p.m., when KATE went to the apartment she verified
that MADELEINE had disappeared, and that the window and shutters
of the bedroom were open.
Apart from that, and according to what was established within the
investigation in the meantime, the witness MATTHEW OLDFIELD assumes
that, at around 8.55 p.m., he went near the outside of the window of the
bedroom where MADELEINE was sleeping – a window that was closed – in
order to verify if there was any noise in the inside that might indicate that
the child was not asleep. He heard nothing, therefore concluding that
everything was well.
Due to its relevance, on that very night the Maintenance Director, SILVIA
BAPTISTA, was asked for a list of the resort’s guests and the check outs on
the 3rd, as well as the identification of the crèche workers, where the
children stayed during the day.
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It should be emphasized that the entire apartment had been searched and
rummaged by an undetermined number of people, with the contamination
that it brings and the difficulty that it raises for the collection of residues.
On that very night, the surroundings of the apartment, and Vila da Luz
itself, were intensely searched through, both by the GNR members and by
members of the public.
Concerning that and other searches on subsequent days, the proof is given
by the report that was written by the GNR from pages 3491-a to 3525-a,
with the latter being a cartographic remission. The same procedure was
made by the Maritime Police, according to the report from pages 3867 until
3885.
On page 06 the air registration of the luggage pertaining to the MCCANN
family was appended, as well as the passport that belongs to the missing
minor.
From pages 12 to 23, we can observe the photographic coverage of the
location of the facts, which were collected on that night, as well as a layout
of the apartment.
On page 26 the report that was written by the GNR can be found, on page
30 the photograph of the minor that was given by the parents, taken from
a memory card and revealed on a printer that belongs to one of the
nannies, as will be seen further on, and the press communication, on pages
33-B.
It should be pointed out, in terms of the media knowledge and divulgation,
that witness RACHEL MAMPILLY, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of the
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4th, assumes to have contacted the official British television BBC, through
someone that she knew, reporting the disappearance and asking for it to
be broadcast.
First thing in the morning on 4 May, and already within the framework of
heavy media coverage, an interview of the entire group took place, pages
34-83, interrogations which were repeated later.
From pages 86 to 118, there are included details relative to the identity of
the nannies (CATRIONA BAKER and STACEY PORTZ) and all the officials
of the establishment, with the two that dealt with the MCCANN children
being heard informally; nothing unusual having been reported by them,
they were formally interviewed again later.
In subsequent days, with the participation of over a hundred researchers
from the PJ, the enormous collection of diverse notifications about the
disappearance was reviewed, having been already completed innumerable
contacts resulting from the ongoing processing of information.
The collection of notifications was transmitted by a wide variety of sources,
coming to the PJ by various means, requiring the installation of a
permanent police post within the Luz village.
The result of such efforts is found in the documentation and the various
appendices, having been spent thousands of hours of work in its
completion.
It should be noted, also, the receipt of an enormous quantity of fantastical
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notifications, devoid of any credibility, which forced the research into
constant and considerable clarification efforts, all the more important as it
was known that time was of the utmost importance in the fundamental
goal of finding the missing girl.
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Resuming the factual description, it is noteworthy that from pages 119 and
forward, the witness JEREMY WILKINS, affirmed that he saw an individual
with a strange appearance and behaviour. This was eventually confirmed to
be a guest, who participated in the searches, page 124.
From pages 127 and following, relates the the sighting of a child, with a face
similar to MADELEINE's, in a gas station. When the images from the gas
station were shown to the parents, they peremptorily affirmed that they did
not represent their daughter.
On page 134, is reported a situation, once again resulting from physical
similarities with MADELEINE, later verified as not being the child. In
addition, an attempt was made to locate an individual referred for sexual
abuse of minors, later coming to verify that at the relevant time period, he
was no longer in Portugal.
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There was a inquest to DENISE BERYL ASHTON, pgs. 136, which reported
the presence of two individuals, who she could not identify or recognize,
which, alleged that they were conducting a petitioning in behalf of a
children’s institution, which would be fraudulent. Despite that this situation
took place on the day 03 May, we could not relate it with the disappearance
of the British minor, nor the description corresponds to the sketch
widespread in the media by the press officer of the MCCANN couple, issue
that will be addressed next .
From the Pgs. 140 to 144, it was reported an alleged sighting of the minor,
which, after several diligences, was proved, again, to be another child.
A witness, DEREK FLACK, heard at page 200, reported the presence of a
suspect, who was allegedly looking at the target apartment, near a white
truck, pages 145 and following pages. It was not possible to identify this
person, despite having been made a portrait-robot, page 205. However, we
believe there are very strong possibilities of being construction workers –
who were there making small works - a gardener (pgs. 973), or
BARRINGTON NORTON (pgs 833), inquired at page 704. The latter is a
regular of Praia da Luz, engaged in the activity of musician on the streets of
the town. Nothing was found relevant to the investigation.
From the page 161 to 197, NUNO JESUS, reported a situation connected
with his daughter, with clear similarities with Madeleine, which was the
victim of an alleged attempt to kidnap (qualified by himself) by a Polish
couple, whose registration of the hire car and used in national territory, he
provided to the police. They were approached when going back to their
native country, nothing was detected that could incriminate them, pages 214
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to 216. The car and the place where they had enjoyed their holidays was
analysed in a laboratory, but once again without incriminating results
It was near the report at page 148, where it’s described the approach doorto
door taken in 443 houses, all of them in Praia da Luz, which is
demonstrative of the gigantic work that would be carried out. Such approach
included the physical entrance, with the agreement of the inhabitants, in
many just to verify completely the eventual presence of traces of the minor
disappeared.
LANCE PURSE, inquired at page 208, did equally a sketch of an individual,
page 210, which possessed similar characteristics similar to the one related
by another witness, who also didn’t identify himself.
At pages 211 and 212, it is reported another occurrence relative to an
individual referenced for sexual abuse of minors, who, after the approach of
the same, nothing of relevance was brought to the present investigation.
“Mutatis mutandis”, [literally "changes changed", from Latin, in this instance
someone who changes constantly of mood], relative to a guest from the
female gender, who revealed a odd behaviour, but with no vector of
correlation to the disappearance of MADELEINE MCCANN.
At page 220 the hearings of the resort employees started, from there
nothing resulted as being relevant or useful for the investigation at course.
From the hearings there were no elements collected which allowed to follow
any line of investigation.
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Inquired Mark Warner employees: -----
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Also several G.N.R. Military, belonging to various areas, patrols and
binomials (sic) were heard in declarations - list of names
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In the path of the diligences of localization, it was requested the entry
registrar of the Marina de Lagos, place who does not have a system to
collect images, usually called by CCTV, page 290.
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Information was also collected that the road known as A22, usually known
as “Via Infante de Sagres”, does not have images available either, to
match the period of time that would be of interest.
Diligences were carried out to try to locate and discover the routines of
individuals that are related to criminal practices of a sexual nature, pages
293 to 300, 448 to 451, 452 and 453; nothing was discovered that could
be characterized as relevant.
From pages 309 to 311, and because it could be important, we mentioned
the only register of a repair that was carried out in the apartment that was
used by the MCCANN family, without major relevance.
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The situation concerning the first suspect, ROBERT MURAT, will now be
approached, thus following a line of the succession of the facts, without
prejudice of returning to the description of occurrences further ahead.
A few days after the facts took place, suspicions were raised concerning an
individual that resides approximately 100/150 metres away from
apartment 5A, identified as ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH
MURAT.
These suspicions arose initially due to the formulation by a British
journalist, who found the special commitment and curiosity of MURAT in
this case to be strange, which had reminded her of another [case] that had
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taken place in the United Kingdom with similar outlines and where the
guilty persons had actively participated in searches.
The reasons for said suspicion are duly listed within the information that is
contained in the process, on pages 308, 328, 442, 461, 957, 960, 961 and
986 to 1000, being certain that they ended up being reinforced, some time
later, by elements of the holiday group that asserted, contrary to what
MURAT said, that he had participated in the searches on the evening of
the disappearance.
In an initial phase, before the investigation was deepened, this individual
gathered the conditions to be pointed out as a suspect. The conditions that
are intrinsic to his suspect status, can be analysed, as stated before, on
the routine reports that were mentioned above.
In order to confirm or dismiss the suspicions about ROBERT MURAT,
searches and telephone surveillance were requested, pages 995 to 1013,
both on the suspect and on the individuals with whom he directly or
indirectly interacted, namely with whom he met almost daily and
maintained telephone contacts.
Despite the exhaustive and methodical investigation into MURAT and the
persons close to him, no elements whatsoever were collected to relate him
to the crime that was under investigation, and it should be noted that
contrary to what witnesses within the group stated concerning his
hypothetical participation in the searches on the night of the
disappearance, other witnesses (like SILVIA BAPTISTA and elements of
the GNR) asserted that they had not seen him during those diligences.
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Beyond the communication interceptions and forensic exams of the
computers belonging to them, which pointed to nothing useful, several
searches were also performed in the suspect’s home, as mentioned earlier,
with cino-technical assistance and exploration of the subsoil, both
physically and by technological detection means, which also did not allow
for the collection of exact evidence.
Be aware that, in relation to the utilization of very advanced technological
means, in the area of the detection of strange bodies in the subsoil or
enclosed [walled in], these were performed specifically by technicians from
Aveiro University, using equipment that allowed a detailed search of the
area.
This [research] continued in the same way in relationship to all the vehicles
of the group, with no results.
The homes and vehicles were examined in great detail by the Scientific
Police Laboratory, without finding any relevant vestiges.
The analyses of the telephone and electronic communications (reports in
appendix II) and the resultant correlation, had the same results.
In the interrogation headquarters, the suspect denied any involvement with
the process. The interviews with all the elements, with personal and
professional relationships with ROBERT MURAT, also did not deliver
anything of value as evidence.
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In truth, in the unfolding of the searches, several objects were
apprehended, for later analysis, without having obtained any incriminating
evidence, which you can better observe in Volume V of the documentation,
where the processual pieces related to the searches are found.
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Returning to the sequence of information which has some relevance related
to finding the minor, there came forth information about the presence of a
sack [bag] near a cliff in Ponta da Piedade, Lagos, pages 316 to 327, whose
contents revealed nothing of importance.
Page 463, reveals information related to an individual who spoke in
Castellean, whose involvement was not able to be discovered.
Pages 524 to 531, 740 to 749, provide information about supposed sightings
of the minor, all of them disparate amongst themselves.
On page 800, the interview with TASMIN MILBURN SILENCE is presented,
who saw on two occasions and on several other days, an individual
observing the apartment from which MADELEINE disappeared. A photo-fit
was created based on the witness' indications . . . diligences were performed
which led to the identification of MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN, who was the
target of diverse diligences without incriminatory results, pages 632 to 726
of Volume III, Appendix VI. Beyond this individual, there were other
diligences performed at this level, also without useful results for the
investigation, as is explained throughout Appendix VI.
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Still on Appendix VI, pages 504 and in the following, it was investigated a
situation relative to two individuals, NEIL BERRY and RAJINDER BALU
(complementary inquests requested in the letter rogatory), specifically
relative with the first one, whose information was crossed with the above
aforementioned witness, TASMIN SILENCE, namely to what concerns the
photo-fit, having this one made clear that it was not that same individual.
This occurrence was targeted due to an information given by an employee of
the resort, pages 504 and 505 of the Appendix VI, where a somewhat
peculiar situation was reported, supposedly to do with NEIL BERRY.
However, in spite of the diligences done, inclusive in the letter rogatory,
nothing was established that connected him to the disappearance of the
British child.
At the pages 801 and the following, an information was worked relative to a
sighting done by a professional taxi driver.
Also relative to the individuals who do this type of professional work and
who have their headquarters in Praia da Luz, page 818, we talked with them
but nothing of relevant for the process was determined.
At the pages 820 to 822, an information from the maritime police was
added, creating several diligences, however had no results.
From the page 825 to 830, we added a report of the G.N.R. police action.
Nothing of pertinent value was deducted.
For the analyses and dismissal of eventual relevant situations, traffic reports
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were requested in the places considered of higher interest, page 823,
relatively to the days 2, 3 and 4th of May of 2007, and that was object of a
highly detailed analytical report (see Appendix II), though without criminal
conclusions.
At page 835, a report of a diligence done in a gipsy camp was done, nothing
useful was gathered.
At page 848 and following and from pages 856 to 857 a synopsis of the
interrogations done to the resort employees was made.
At page 859, it’s related a situation eventually suspicious which leads to
nothing of interest for the process.
At page 868, an occurrence is reported (about a couple who had an
argument, where is mentioned the disappearance of a child), after
investigation this did not lead to relevant elements.
From page 870 to 883, it was done the reconstitution of the places outside
the nursery, where the British child and her nanny went.
At page 884 and the following, it was added the lophoscopy [study of
fingerprints] report where only finger traces of KATE HEALY were found,
namely on the window’s frame who would have been opened at the time of
the disappearance, and at page 967, another report describing the same
type of exam, this time without any match, though the diffusion done at an
International and national level, page 1470. Later on we verified that that
trace wasn’t of author (sic), page 1480.
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On pages 886 and following, a typed report can be observed, which was
elaborated by the holidaying group after a detailed joint meeting, that recalls
that steps that were made on that evening, describing the facts both in time
and space.
On page 993, there is a report listing the apartments that were subject to
searches, with special attention on blocks 4 and 5.
On pages 983 and 984, the preservation, for visualization purposes, of
images from several petrol stations was requested, but nothing out of the
ordinary was observed, page 3191.
On pages 1101 and following, several pieces of information from Interpol are
listed, alerting towards supposed sightings of the minor, in several European
countries, but absolutely nothing was found.
Diverse information concerning other suspects of crimes of sexual abuse of
minors and paedophilia, page 1246 and following, which, after due analysis,
did not contribute with anything of interest for the investigation.
On page 1398 there is an answer to the question from page 1400, informing
that there are no other images from the GALP station, apart from those that
were already delivered.
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On page 1592, a divulgation, appealing to the person who on the 3rd of
May 2007, at around 9.30 p.m., in Praia da Luz, transported a child in his
arms, to identify himself, in order to dismiss the situation that was
narrated by witness JANE TANNER.
Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered,
pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a
child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach. It was said that the child
could be MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily
stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the
individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was
concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages
2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that
at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at
the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.
The workers that carried out construction works in Vila da Luz were heard,
pages 1650 and 1651, who did not detect anything strange, during their
works of excavation and placement of plumbing (also see pages 3983 to
3987), although they carefully verified, on the day that followed the
disappearance and before they started the works, if there was a body
hidden next to said works.
From pages 1811 to 1827 we appended two lab tests and the
corresponding reports, which turned out to have no evidential interest for
the process.
On pages 1846 and following, a situation of fraud was reported, concerning
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misleading and fraudulent information relating to the whereabouts of
MADELEINE McCANN. This individual, who was the author of the fraud,
was detained, and confessed to know nothing about the facts, after
detailed and pertinent diligences were carried out by the authorities of the
Netherlands, within the frame of a Rogatory Letter. The main report, which
comprises the diligences that were requested and carried out by the Dutch
Police can be found in the corresponding appendix.
On page 1897, a Spanish journalist was heard, who was to have
information about the alleged abductor. Once again, nothing was supplied
that allowed for the substantiation of such suspicions.
An attempt was made to obtain identification elements from users of
computer equipment in two establishments in Luz, which was not possible,
as explained on page 1900.
On page 2006 and forward, is found the report of an identical occurance to
one that had happened in Holland, coming to be found to pertain to, once
again, untrue information about the child. With the prestigious
collaboration of the Spanish authorities, Grupo de Sequestros de Madrid, it
was possible to identify the couple responsible for the false information,
with only the male being detained under the auspices of an outstanding
detention mandate.
* * *
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Now the question related to the performance of the British dogs will be
covered, along with the consequent quality assumed by the parents of
MADELEINE, once again with the ability to revisit the description later in
the report.
In this way, from pages 1989 and following, one can read the full report by
MARK HARRISON, whose specialty is the search for missing people or
homicide victims, including catastrophe scenarios. He provided the use of
canines, specialized in the detection of vestiges of human blood and human
cadaver odor.
This is an inspection technique commonly used in the United Kingdom,
frequently with positive results, consisting of the utilization of two especially
trained dogs.
One of the dogs is trained to detect cadaver odor and the other to detect
vestiges of human blood, with existing knowledge that their prior usage had
resulted in significant results, principally in the detection of vestiges, which
had then been, later, confirmed in the laboratory.
After a positive joint meeting with the British police, it was decided to use
this capability and a large number of objects and locations were examined,
with these diligences being recorded in films which are included in the
documentation (appendix III).
In some of these locations and objects, the animals exhibited the behaviour
of identification and “signaling”, including:
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1 - Apartment 5A, of the resort ‘Ocean Club’, place from where the
child disappeared.
- cadaver odour dog:
*in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, close to the wardrobe;
*in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the
apartment;
- blood dog:
* in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the
apartment (exactly as it was signalled by the cadaver odour dog);
2 – Area of the backyard, close to the apartment 5A:
- cadaver odour dog:
* in a flowerbed, commented by the dog handler the lightness of the scent
detected;
3 – Apartments where the rest of the elements of the group stayed
* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;
4 – House of the MCCANNs at the date of the inspection [second
apartment]
* NOTHING at the house, was detected by any of the dogs;
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5 - In the area of Vila da Luz
* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;
6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN
- cadaver odour dog:
* in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
* in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
* in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected
cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date
occupied by the family)
7 – In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family
- cadaver odour dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
- blood dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
* signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;
8 – In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who stayed in the
same resort, matching some of the holiday days.
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* NOTHING was detected by either dog;
9. In all the vehicles that were used by arguido ROBERT MURAT and
persons that are close to him;
* NOTHING was detected by either dog.
(in a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver odour dog and the blood odour dog
only signaled the vehicle that belonged to the MCCANN family, which was
rented on the 27th of May)
On the locations and the pieces that were marked and signaled by the blood
dog, forensics tests were performed, especially at a reputed British
laboratory (Forensic Science Service – check Appendixes I and VII – FSS
Final Report) but also, some of them at the reputed National Institute of
Forensics Medicine (check Appendix I), whose final results did not
corroborate the canine markings, which is to say, cellular material was
collected that was not identified as pertaining to anyone specific, and it was
not even possible to determine the quality of that material (v.g. whether it
could be blood or another type of bodily fluid).
But during a first scientific approach (pages 2617 and following), the
possibility of a match between the DNA profile of MADELEINE and some of
the collected residues (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic
that had been rented by the McCANN couple were abundant) was raised; a
match which, as can be verified in the aforementioned final report from the
FSS, failed to be verified, after the execution of long and complex testing.
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On pages 2461 and following, the translation of the comments that were
made by the dog handler, during the inspection actions, was appended.
Based on the action of the canine team and the aforementioned initial
scientific approach, which revealed the possibility of the existence of a
cadaver inside the apartment and in the vehicle that was used by the
MCCANN family, and in order to allow for GERALD McCANN and KATE
HEALY to see their position within the process safeguarded, they were made
arguidos, in face of the mere possibility of their involvement with the
possible cadaver. During the questioning as arguidos, they denied any
responsibility in the disappearance of their daughter.
It may be questioned that KATE HEALY was not immediately made an
arguida, but rather inquired, as a witness, and only afterwards, following
said inquirition, did she assume that quality.
Therefore, the constitution of KATE HEALY as an arguida was made when
she was confronted with concrete elements that might lead to her
incrimination, a fact that, within the terms of the penal process law, would
officiously force that constitution.
Returning to the description of the pieces of the process, on page 2294,
there is a note of the delivery of four (04) photographs, which were printed
by an employee of the resort, AMY TIERNEY.
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Page 4193, she clarified that the photographs were made on her own
printer, which allowed her to use photographic paper and cut to size
(10x15), which in this way, reduced any suspicion related to her possession,
on the part of the parents.
Nonetheless, before her interview, the photographs were examined, as
related on pages 4155 and following, and pages 4197, in which it is alleged
to not be possible to determine with complete confidence if the printer is
compatible with the photographs, but it seems to us, by the laboratory
results (merely indicative) that these photographs were printed there.
On pages 2305, 3195 and 3212 is the detailed report, relative to the
laboratory exams done on the apartment from where the disappearance
occurred, which took place on 4 May 2007.
On page 2327, is the report of the exams of the home and some of the
vehicles of ROBERT MURAT and, on page 2348, the report of the exam of
the car belonging to SERGEY MALINKA, an individual of interest given his
relationship with ROBERT MURAT, not having been uncovered, however,
anything of a criminal nature.
On pages 2360 to 2371, is the report of the vehicles belonging to LUÌS
ANTÒNIO, with whom, also, ROBERT MURAT had an acquaintance.
Nothing suspicious was found.
On page 2383, is the report of the exam done in the apartment retained by
the Polish couple and, on page 3230, the detailed report of the exams done
on the vehicle rented by the McCANN couple.
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All of these exams, for now, allowed nothing to be inferred relative to the
exact understanding of the facts.
On page 2396, is a file, which was attributed an inquiry number, which
alludes to a supposed sighting. This occurrence was duly discarded, after
several diligences, outlined from pages 2739 to 2762.
On page 2412, is the interview with PAMELA FENN, who relates several
details, of which, though not clarifying the facts, are elucidating. PAMELA
FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment
occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days
before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which
by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour
and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at
about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of
the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had
been left on their own.
She also added to the files, that her niece, CAROLE, on the morning of 3
May 2007, had seen an individual observing the child’s apartment. This
individual was not identified, but could have been a gardener. An interview
with CAROLE was requested in the Letter Rogatory submitted to the UK
authorities, with nothing relevant having been discovered.
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On pages 2426 and following, the forensics report was attached,
concerning the residues that were collected on several locations, with
results that did not attain the desired purpose, which was to establish
elements that conducted to the author or authors of the facts.
From pages 2771 to 2869, the final report was added, concerning the
action of the canines and the searches, carried out by the British experts.
A new occurrence was explored on pages 2876 and following, concerning a
crematorium, where according to the press, the cadaver of the British
minor could have been placed. The crematorium was closed and sealed,
according to what is explained in the aforementioned report.
On page 2897, the copies of the contract for the vehicle that was rented by
the McCANN family were requested, and added from pages 2900 to 2937,
as well as the registers from anterior rentals, including the last user, who
was heard on page 2997.
On page 2945 and following, some situations concerning movements by
the McCANN couple and episodes involving the press and private
detectives are reported.
On page 2962, the holiday group’s flight data is added, in its entirety.
On pages 3148 and following, the sighting of an individual with a strange
behaviour, though not substantially founded, who sometimes was
motionless and other times spoke on the phone from a cabin, is mentioned.
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That individual, according to witness statements from pages 3150 to 3156,
had some similarities with the figure that was described by JANE
TANNER, page 3157. Nothing was established that could relate him to the
facts.
All the garbage bins that exist in the Vila da Luz and surroundings, in a
total number of 188 (one hundred and eighty eight), were searched and
inspected, yet nothing relevant was found, page 3183.
According to what is documented in the process, on the afternoon of the
3rd of May, the group, with the exception of the McCANN family, were in a
bar next to the beach, named “Paraíso”, and the images from the video
surveillance system were appended, pages 3266 to 3273, which did not
supply any further clarifying elements.
On pages 3893 and following, several inquiritions that came from the
British Authorities, and the corresponding translations, were added, with an
informative character.
On pages 3922 and 3923, a summary of the financial situation of the
group, constituted by nine persons, can be found.
On page 3924, due to the tight connection with the McCANN couple, the
priest who practises in Praia da Luz, Father JOSÉ PACHECO, was
questioned, but did not add anything relevant for the investigation to the
process.
On pages 3928 and following, another summary of the sequence of events,
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executed by the holiday group, was added.
The report on page 3998 and the inquirition on page 3459-a refers to two
telephone communications that were received on the night of the facts by
KATE HEALY, from a bar that is located in Vilamoura. It was possible to
verify that it was a common friend/client between both.
In the same perspective that motivated the appending of the registries of
users of the vehicle that was rented by the couple, the appending of the
register of occupants of apartment G5A was carried out, page 3417-a.
The wife of the Anglican Priest, SUSAN HUBARD, was questioned, as she
had a relationship of some proximity to the McCANN couple, during their
stay in Portugal. Once again, nothing that can be reputed as important was
collected.
On page 3418-a YVONE MARTIN was questioned, who offered some
information, which, despite its pertinence, did not show any relevance,
pages 3421-a and following.
Information was collected from a Spanish detective agency, named
“Método 3”, which was hired by a British citizen, to benefit the McCANN
couple. This contact was solicitated by this agency, and the information
that was given was subject to analysis and dismissal by this Police, pages
3434-a and following. It revealed itself, all of it, as speculative and without
fundament, focusing particular attention on ROBERT MURAT.
From the tests and inspections that were carried out, a biological residue
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was collected which supposedly carried identificative value. Faced with this,
the same residue was sent to Interpol, in order to be compared with the
compatible databases, page 3467-a.
Following the aforementioned canine action, after the constitution and the
questioning under arguido status of GERALD McCANN and KATE HEALY,
these would end up abandoning the national territory, returning to the
United Kingdom, where the remaining elements of the group already were.
From this moment on, it became necessary to request from the British
authorities the performance of a set of diligences, that had the purpose of
helping to clarify the facts and to establish what type of crime had been
committed, as well as the responsibility of the corresponding authorship,
pages 3528-a and following.
Therefore, from page 3705-a to page 3792-a the Rogatory Letter is
appended, that was elaborated by the Public Ministry, based on what had
been reported by the Polícia Judiciária, and from page 3795-a to page
3822-a, a second rogatory letter, this time elaborated the solicitation of
arguidos GERALD McCANN and KATE HEALY.
From pages 3928 until 3931 the statements from a witness, who helped
during the searches for the child and who decided to give a voluntary
statement, were appended. It did not point out anything of substantial
relevance.
From pages 3932 to 3937, another witness alleged that she had seen
GERALD McCANN, in Avenida Descobrimentos, in Lagos, near an ATM
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terminal, at around 2.26 p.m. on the 7th of May 2007. According to the
witness, the father of the minor was talking on the phone, saying “don’t
hurt Madeleine, please”. She was not peremptory in affirming that it was
GERALD McCANN. It seems unlikely to us that it was GERALD, given the
fact that on that day, he only activated antennas in Praia da Luz, adding to
the fact that, at around 2.16 p.m., he activated an antenna in the centre of
Praia da Luz, which we consider to make it impossible that he was present
in Lagos ten minutes later.
On pages 3943 and forward, is the request for a comparison of the DNA for
MADELEINE McCANN, with the genetic profile of a child’s cadaver found
on the coast of the USA, victim of a homicide. It was verified that they
were incompatible.
From page 3948 to 3964 an intercalar report was elaborated, giving an
account of the diligences meanwhile performed and the results obtained, as
well as explanations of the same.
* * *
Now in an advanced phase of the investigation, pages 3965 to 4113, there
arises, related to the private investigation developed by the McCANN
couple, and publicly announced by their spokesman, CLARENCE
MITCHELL, the alleged existence of a suspect, which, supposedly, was
undertaking a collection in Praia da Luz, at the time of the disappearance.
A fotofit was created of this individual by a witness – GAIL COOPER – who
saw him, page 3979.
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From the beginning and immediately, this was compared with the photo-fit
from JANE TANNER, and despite hers not having a face, page 3977, she
alleged they were the same person, with an approximately 80% certainty.
In order to assess the credibility of the description and of the drawing, it is
important to highlight that the witness GAIL COOPER, was heard for the
first time and in a very detailed fashion [emphasis in the report], by the
British authorities (see page 3982), then affirming that she saw this person
only one time , in a collection done at the door of the residence she was
occupying during her holidays.
However, a few months later, in a new deposition, the same witness
affirms that she saw this individual three times (one of which he was
watching, in a strange way, the children at the Paraíso Restaurant), during
her stay in Luz, information which she did not supply at the time of her
first deposition to the police in the UK.
With the publication of this portrait, a myriad notices about sightings of this
individual arose, most from the UK, but also from Portugal (see pages
4130).
All of this information received due treatment and evaluation in regards to
credibility, of which nothing has come until now, in spite of innumerable
persons approached, supposedly of similar appearance with the “suspect.”
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Apart from other investigative actions, said persons were photographed
and their mobile phones crossed with the antennas that were activated in
Vila da Luz, during the period that is comprehended between the 2nd and
the 4th of May 2007, without any connection resulting from it.
On page 4116, a situation that was related to an individual who had been
referenced for sexual abuse of minors was explored, whose inquiry was
under process in this Department. There was no information whatsoever
concerning his involvement in the present investigation, yet, as it referred
to a sexual crime against minors, several diligences were carried out,
whose result, for this case, was fruitless.
On pages 4147 and following, an information was received, and duly taken
care of, concerning a new supposed sighting of MADELEINE McCANN. It
was once again verified that it was a child that resembled her.
On pages 4163 to 4165, the situation that involved the abduction and
murder of a minor of gipsy ethnicity, in the city of Huelva, Spain, was
considered and duly correlated with the disappearance of MADELEINE
McCANN. After several contacts were established with the investigation
that was ongoing in the neighbouring country, it was concluded that the
occurrences are disparate among themselves.
From pages 4167 to 4182, the forensics report from the National Institute
for Forensic Medicine was appended, whose conclusions do not allow for
significant advances in the investigation, but which identify several
different haplotypes, some of which match intervenients in the process and
others without any identificative value.
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Immediately, the question concerning the differentiating value of some
haplotypes [haplotype (Greek haploos = single) is a combination of alleles
at multiple loci that are transmitted together on the same chromosome]
was raised, namely concerning JANE TANNER, page 4175, which was
located in a residence in Burgau, which, in our understanding, would not be
viable and logical, or to say the least, would be very strange. Therefore, in
order to clarify this situation, a clarification was requested from that
Institute, pages 4320 and following, which, in its reply, is peremptory in
stating that there are haplotypes that are identical among each other, in a
percentage that is still significant, pages 4325 to 4328. This means that
the hair that was found inside that residence, while possessing the same
haplotype as JANE TANNER, belongs to someone else.
Still within the area of collection, treatment and analysis of residues, the
identification of a stain on the cover of one of the beds in MADELEINE’s
bedroom (not the one she slept in), which raised some suspicions, should
be pointed out.
Duly analysed, the stain configured a biological residue (saliva) that
belonged to a child – CHARLIE GORDON – that had been on holidays,
earlier and with his parents, in the same apartment.
On pages 4200 and following and pages 4204 to 4212, two events were
reported, which once again, were subject to treatment, and their
importance to the ongoing investigation was immediately dismissed.
* * *
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Summarising the diligences that are reported in the process and that were
carried out or coordinated by the PJ, the following should be mentioned:
- de factum preservation of the location (despite the fact that it had
already been rummaged by countless persons), several collections
and exams on the existence of possible residues, as well as a
circumstantiated photographic report;
- installation, within the first 24 hours, of an extensive operational
scheme, including the participation of several police forces and civil
protection services, in a total of over 130 elements;
- reinforcement, within the next 24 hours, of said operational
scheme, with the mobilization of over 300 elements from police
forces and public entities;
- the operational mechanism that was implemented on the terrain
included, among others, and as soon as possible, the installation of
posts to control the roads and the southern terrestrial frontier with
Spain, the usage of canine detection teams, the usage of exceptional
search and rescue means
– aerial, terrestrial and maritime -, alerts and broadcasts all over the
country and abroad. Just as an example, it is mentioned that during
the following weeks and in permanence, two helicopters, four ships
and several off-road vehicles were used, apart from airplanes and
private ships;
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- in the same manner, the investigative operations were coordinated
with the specific search operations, and hundreds of diligences were
carried out, like the identification and hearing – both formally and
informally – of citizens, the execution of door-to-door searches in the
residences and tourist resorts of Vila da Luz and surrounding areas,
the identification and search of vehicles, and searches on the terrain,
in an area that was initially of 15 square kilometers, and then was
progressively enlarged until 30 square kilometers (where special
attention was given to locations like wells, passages, tunnels, dams
and lakes);
The magnitude of this operation exceeded, right from the first moment, the
dimension that is commonly used in similar cases, a fact that was made
public, having been notoriously and widely publicized by the media.
On the following days, over 700 persons that might possess any relevant
information about the disappearance were formally and informally
questioned, the PJ having used, for that task, over 100 employees from
several departments in Portimão, Faro and Lisbon, which worked on a
consecutive basis of 24 hours per day.
Equally, all the locations where images that could be related to the case
might exist, were consulted (like, for example, restaurants and petrol
stations) and telephone lines from the permanent services of the
departments in Faro and Portimão were made available, and a mobile
police post was installed in Vila da Luz for the collection of information.
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Beyond the already mentioned identifications and domiciliary door-to-door
searches, the identification, contact and interview with known suspects in
the area that had previously been connected to sexual criminality over
minors was carried out.
Also, regarding the missing child’s parents, the PJ was careful to schedule
periodic meetings with them and to designate an Official Liaison to the
family as support for a permanent relationship, with the accompaniment
and active collaboration of the Royal British Consulate in Portimão.
Shortly after the beginning of the investigation, continuous relationships
were created with the Leicestershire Constabulary which sent, in support,
various of their members to Portugal, having, equally, the PJ sending
employees to the UK.
It is emphasized, specifically, that the level of cooperation and of
understanding between the PJ and the Leicestershire Constabulary
achieved, always, very high levels, united in the common pursuit of the
missing child and the truth.
As such, the Portuguese authorities engaged an enormous and expensive
panoply of technical and human resources, in the attempt to discover the
missing child and the understanding of the explanation of the
disappearance.
The PJ never disregarded any information or credible elements – as will be
seen in this criminal process – that could have led to the realization of the
disappearance, and there have been completed, during these months,
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more than 2000 diligences, formal and informal, in this regard.
As an example, we refer to the international cooperation, especially with
Spain, the Netherlands and the UK which led to the detention and
identification of individuals who tried to introduce deceptive information
about the hypothetical destination or location of the child.
All of the information with any major or minor level of credibility was
explored, nationally and internationally, by the PJ, with special relevance
given to dozens of supposed sightings or localizations of the child, most of
which, in fact, were widely publicized in the press.
The PJ, as in probably no other investigation in Portugal, withheld no effort,
in the sense of providing exceptional technical means, manpower and
financing towards the discovery of the child and the determination of the
truth of the facts, having been completely accompanied in this effort by the
Leicestershire Constabulary, the police department headquartered in the
city of Leicestershire, from where most of the elements of the holiday
group are from.
As another example, just the scientific exams alone cost many tens of
thousands of euros.
Addressing now, and specifically, the question relative to the diligence
known as the “reconstitution of the facts” (Article 150º of the Penal Process
Code), which was not performed due to the refusal of some of the integral
members of the holiday group to return to our country (as documented in
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the Inquiry), the same would have clarified, duly and in the location of the
disappearance, the following extremely important details, amongst others:
. The physical, real and effective, proximity between JANE TANNER,
GERALD McCANN and JEREMY WILKINS, at the moment when
the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the
supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our
understanding, as unusual that neither GERALD McCANN nor
JEREMY WILKINS did not see her, nor the alleged abductor, despite
the small dimensions of the space;
. The situation that concerns the window of the bedroom where
MADELEINE slept, together with the twins, which was open,
according to KATE. It would be necessary to clarify whether there
was a draft, due to the fact that movement of the curtains and
pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which would
eventually be clarified through the reconstitution.
. The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the
minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact
that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and
the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult
that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor
in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the
child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the
supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in
a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by
witness JANE TANNER (horizontal).
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. What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time
at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that
differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the
disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).
Concerning the result of the diligences that were requested from the British
authorities, as earlier mentioned, despite the fact that they were almost
completely carried out, nothing new was added to the process and,
consequentially, to the investigation.
The questioning of the holiday group merely corroborated what had already
been established during the investigation, without any detail that could
have been reputed as especially relevant being brought forward.
In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the
efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is
not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really
happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.
On the other hand, it should be referred that this investigation moved itself
under conditions of exceptional media exposure, with the publication of
many “news” of imprecise, inexact or even false contents, which did not
help, in the least, the discovery of the truth and created, many times, a
climate of unusual commotion and of lack of serenity.
Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of
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any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result
for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine
whatever you may see as convenient.
* * C O N C L U S I O N * *
Portimão, 20th of June 2008

156 comments:

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Good Morning Campers

Won't be around long as I am visiting
My son, His wife and my Grandchildren. (Reminds me of a Film Title).

The list of the Tapas 9 given above gives the maiden names of the women (quite common in legal documents in European countries) except for Fiona Payne. Can anyone think of a reason why?

ratonthebeam said...

Maybe it was Payne before, too? It's not that unusual a name.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

I agree that's a possibility my first wife had the same surname as me.

Just realised that Dianne Webster, Fiona's mother, is named as just that.

Is that her married or maiden name?

If the former has she been married twice?

Each answer seems to began more questions.

dolores said...

Kate’s notebooks – McCanns ignored contacts

Kate devalued ‘leads’ of Maddie

The disappearance of Madeleine originated dozens of contacts to the authorities but the parents took none seriously

Kate and Gerry McCann were always suspicious about the indications from strangers that guaranteed to know the whereabouts of Madeleine. In the cases when money was demanded, Maddie’s parents seemed to know that the leads were false, just like Gonçalo Amaral describes in the book.

In her notes, Kate always shows her disbelief concerning the reliability of the information, while Gerry (the situation is described in the former investigator’s book) arose attention from the inspectors when, in the middle of a negotiation with a possible abductor, “he sucked on a lollipop in a relaxed manner, while reading banalities on internet sites and discussing rugby and football with one of the English policemen”.

One of the cases happened on the 14th of June, long before the three detentions over extortion attempts were made, when the Polícia Judiciária receives an email from an anonymous person who says he knows where Madeleine is. “Why is there so many crazy and evil people?”, Kate writes in her notes that same day, in a comment about the situation, which she classified as something that could only be a “joke”.

On the 28th of June, the process of the disappearance of Maddie makes the first detentions in Spain, an Italian and a Portuguese, due to attempted extortion. “It’s all a bit weird”, Kate comments. Five days later, Madeleine’s parents receive a new email from the anonymous person who had established contact two weeks earlier. In her notes, Kate reveals that she has no doubts that it can only be someone looking for money and she congratulates herself over knowing that the man is going to be arrested: “I’ve had news about the Dutch extortionist – someone motivated by money. Anyway, he is going to be arrested tomorrow!!”

The couple’s behaviour when faced with possible leads concerning their daughter’s whereabouts, after a publicity campaign that went around the world and was built by the parents themselves, arose the investigators’ attention, namely during one of the first days when Kate, faced with the possibility of finding her daughter, is upset about the speed that is attained by the police car.

Process available on Monday

The complete process concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be made available to anyone who manifests a legitimate interest, from Monday onwards. That group includes the parties (arguidos, witnesses and lawyers) and also journalists, due to the fact that this is a process of manifest public interest. Yesterday, the court invited everyone who had already made a requirement for the process to deliver a CD at the secretary’s office, so the digitalized process can be copied onto it.

From September onwards, the process will be available to the general public, and the investigation will be subject to the most rigorous scrutiny. Still, the judge’s decision ends up being surprising, due to the fact that this case involves a minor, and there would always be legal artifices that would allow for the investigation to be ‘barricaded’.

Lawyers want priority access to the documents

Carlos Pinto Abreu and Rogério Alves, the lawyers that represent the McCann family in Portugal, have requested the Portimão court for priority in the access to the process. The lawyers have ensured that the access for the general public was postponed, so they can access the original process and not a digital format.


source: Correio da Manhã, 01.08.2008, paper edition

ratonthebeam said...

Speculation on the 3As that Payne was Fiona's original name and David took it on. Which begs the question - why?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

Did you see my addendum re: Webster?

Also did you manage to catch Claudia's blog before she closed it this morning?

ratonthebeam said...

Yes and Yes ICTOAN!!! Thanks for that. I saved all of Claudia's translation so I can have a really good read tonight, but somebody else already copied it onto the 3As anyway. I don't think this can be hushed up now. Too many people have seen it and saved it.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

I am signing off now. Hope to be back again Saturday Night Or Sunday Morning. (Another near film title?)

ratonthebeam said...

Catch you later ICTOAN, have a good weekend. XXX

ICantThinkOfAName said...

If Claudia can keep posting after she has said goodbye, so can I.

I received an e-mail this morning from the Daily Express.

A MESSAGE FROM EXPRESS.CO.UK
DID YOU VOTE TO QUIT THE EU?

A few weeks ago we asked you - our tens of thousands of MyExpress members - what you thought about Britain's membership of the European Union.

Gordon Brown broke his promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, so we decided to give you, our loyal readers, a chance to have your democratic say on www.express.co.uk

We wanted to know your views on Brussels, how the EU could be improved and if you thought Britain could do better on it's own.

The results were incredible.

Nearly 10,000 of you voted - and a staggering 95 per cent of you said you would vote for Britain to leave the European Union if there was a referendum tomorrow.

Online polls like this are a great way for you to make your voices heard quickly, fairly and democratically.

And now we want YOU to decide what our next major reader poll should be about.

What are the major issues that affect your life? What would you change about Britain if you were Prime Minister? What would you really like to ask the British public their opinion about?

We'll pick the best suggestion and run an online poll - accompanied by an article featuring YOUR opinion and view on why it matters - live on the site, where it will be seen by millions of people.



Email suggestions to:

web.help@express.co.uk

Perhaps some of you can make suggestions to them and if someone can post it on 3A I am sure there are many there who would like the opportunity.

This time it is goodbye for now.

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Surely every parent with a child missing would hope that each sighting and investigation of the sighting would be the one where their child is found. Money would be no object especially when sitting with a huge pot of it that othe people have donated. Money seems,imo, to be more important to these two than their child. How much has their style of parenting that,imo, was the catalyst to the situation their child may or not find herself in actually cost them? How deep have they and their family and friends dug deep into their own pockets to aid the search of this child? They go to Canada for a holiday because their twins need a holiday. Surely the 3 weeks holiday time should have been saved to go looking for the child they claim has been abducted. How much leave is he actually getting? How much is this costing the NHS and the British taxpayer?

Joe said...

Zodiac,

Realistically the chances of finding Madeline are nil. The reason I say that is because the PJ case has been shelved as we all know now and if there was any chance of finding Madeline the PJ would have kept the case open IMO. This fact I am sure is not lost on the McCanns and trawling the files is purely to be ready for any awkward questions that may arise when the process is open to the public. This case was like no other case I have seen so the parameters are different to what others could would expect. Trying to apply logic to it defies reality.

isis said...

Thing that is really bothering me, if kate was so sure by the way the bedroom was left,that madeliene could not simply have wandered off, but was abducted,why now that the arguido status is lifted and she is free to speak , will she not tell. IMO this is the only evidence of an abduction,apart from jane tanners ever changing bundleman scenario. If my child had really been abducted and i was 100% sure because of a certain detail, i would be shouting it from the rooftops in the hope that it may lead to the recovery of my child. Why the silence? Are they too busy preparing to bring libel cases against all and sundry to really look for madeliene?

Joe said...

I think they will wait to see what is in the process files before doing anything as there may be several "banana skins " lurking in the process documents that the PJ have unearthed? My opinion of course.

isis said...

Could be right joe, im sure there is info in those files that they would really rather not be in the public domain.All the time remembering that the case was shelved not because of lack of evidence but the absence of proof. Big difference and this case can be reopened at any time.

Zodiac said...

Laptop contents Defence for Amya Moron cont...

On the way up I took my bag with me. I took out my mobile and phoned my Pr Spokesperson/Solicitor (what everyone has one ) The Great Boabie Puller. I gave a huge sigh of relief he was on his way and he would deal with everything, thank heaven for Boabie........continued....
I sat in the loo rocking to and fro for about 5 mins. Where the fk is he I thought. Fortunately I had Mousie Mouse with me.. It felt good grabbing and hugging him. A female Police Officer tapped on the bathroom door. Are you alright you have been in there a while? Yes I am OK, I will be out soon I said.. I thought right think like a Laptop Snatcher visualize how that heinous creature would act. I sat thinking about this for a few minutes. In my bag I found some paper I started jotting down some notes, I decided that later on I would start a diary. What seemed like an age passed.. Then I heard the Trumpeter music, I knew that Boabie Puller had arrived. It was quite late and I was rather surprised that he was still out working at this time. I hoped my neighbours did not complain about him playing the Trumpeter music on his Icecream van. I could hear Boabie talking downstairs to Det Avery Goodbook.... this is ludicrous, preposterous what are you suggesting. Everyone does this in the UK, there has been no irresponsible homeowner behaviour by Ms Moron and her friends.. There is a wholly innocent explanation for anything and everything that has happened this evening. The only crime that has been committed here tonight is that someone entered a unlocked property without consent and took something that was not theirs. My Client cannot be responsible for any content contained therein on the laptop as it has been taken and has also been taken on other occasions as our witness Dolly states she saw him on a previous evening behaving strangely with Amya's laptop. Why are you not out looking for the Laptop Snatcher? he said sharply to the Det. Ms Dolly Dimple is a good friend of Amya, I have it on good authority that she was there with Amya when she bought the laptop. Ms Dimple can give you an accurate description of both laptop and the Laptop Snatcher. You know Dolly nearly caught the Laptop Snatcher added Boabie. Dolly, would you be so kind as to describe in full detail to Det Goodbook what the Laptop Snatcher looks like and also what Amya's Laptop looks like said Boabie. Oh! hang on a minute, here are some of the childrens crayons and piece of paper Dolly, you can draw a picture of him said Boabie. Dolly has a Standard Grade in art you know so that should be very useful in this investigation, Boabie told the Det. Now Det Goodbook if you do not mind I must speak to my client and then I shall inform you as to how she wishes this case to be handled.

I had opened the bathroom door to try and hear everything that was being said downstairs. At this point I knew that the control would be in my court, I felt confident, I took a deep breath, kissed Mousie Mouse looked in the mirror and removed all of my make-up and re-did it all. I looked great, I sprayed some perfume on, changed my earrings and put on a matching necklace I went down stairs taking Mousie Mouse with me. I could see Dolly talking to the Det. she was puffing away on her inahler and taking in big gulps of air as she spoke. She told the Det. Well...em..er..he was walking past the house..he had auburn hair, a kilt on..he looked like one of those guys at the Highland Games you know the ones that toss the Caber. He looked very strong and had lots of rippling muscles, his skin was lightly tanned from being out in the Sun taking part in all the Highland games I suppose. He had bagpipes under one arm and I carried......he carried the laptop under his other arm wrapped in a blanket, I thought that is a bit odd and not a very good laptop owner...I...mean he should have carried it in a laptop bag to protect it and keep it secure. He looked well..er...em.. dodgy, just the kinda guy that would post on sites and write things he shouldn't, you just had to look and him and know...you...know what I mean. The Det was writing everything in his notebook.....talk about slow, you would think these plods would be taught shorthand. Dolly was now describing my laptop, I was trying to listen to everything Dolly was saying word for word but the the Bobbie get asking me questions. He really was a distraction and very irritating. Excuse me I said to the Bobbie I find you tiresome any questions you have regarding this evening can be answered by my PR spokesperson. Ms...Ms... Mor...the Bobbie just kept annoying me and trying to get me to answer his questions with some pathetic excuse that it was me that was required to answer the questions because the incident had happened on my premises. Because of that idiot I did not get to hear Dolly's description of my laptop.

I was sitting talking with Boabie when the odious Det interrupted our conversation. I tried to ignore him. Excuse me Ms..Ms excuse me are you A.. Moron madam, the Det asked me. Yes, yes I replied with a sigh to try and show how bored I had become with the situation I'm...I'm...Amya Moron. I want to discuss this evening events at Police station, you do not appear to want to co-operate, we will be leaving in 5 minutes. Well I just about pooped my pants there and then! The Det said your children madam...yes I have 3, I said. No...no you misunderstand me he said who will look after them whilst you are at the Police station. Oh..eh...at this point Xavier said, we will. Oh! thank you I said. Tomorrow is a Bank holiday so just bring the darlings back at about 4pm, they love playing with your kids. Things were looking not so bad, I would have most of the day to myself and 40 mins quality Mummy time with my cherubs before they were packed off to spend 4 access days with their father.

Di said...

Hi All

Viv. Thanks for posting the above report,the contents are extremely interesting and well worth the read.

Zodiac..You could write a book :o))

Sorry I have not been around much, the workmen are still in but I think another two weeks should see them gone :o)))))))))))))))))))))))

I have not had much chance to read back but I promise I will catch up when i can.

Dyl. I hope you enjoyed your birthday.

Joe said...

This from the 3A site, Goncalo Amaral was on TV today and this is some of what Astro posted he said...

Post subject: Re: TODAY, 1 AUGUST - 4PM ON SIC PORTUGUESE TV
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:37 pm




FROM ASTRO

- Gonçalo Amaral live on SIC right now.

- it is difficult to stay emotionally uninvolved in a case like this, but policemen have a job to do

- the theory in his book is not 'his' - it is of the entire team

- theory is based on facts and testimonies

- end of september: the investigation produces a report that is based on the accident & concealment of cadaver thesis

- it is not normal for the ambassador to come to the algarve and follow the investigation; the consul would have been normal, and he already was in the algarve

- GA recognising that the police was conditioned by political influence, and that is something that should never happen again

- spokesman (Mitchell) came directly out of the UK's prime minister cabinet

- interviewer criticising Olegario de Sousa - GA defends that he was well

- process opens on Monday - other books will appear - important things will appear - a former colleague told him, one or two weeks ago, that it is only now that the investigation is really starting

- collection of forensic evidence right in the early days, for example fingerprint collection, was not up to the usual standards

- not everything is in the book, many dialogues, and the dialogues in the book do not identify who is 'speaking'

- GA says he could have gone further but there are respect issues

- spokesman (Mitchell) has issued threats - has defamed GA - British journalists already have the book - soon to be published in the UK

- archiving awaiting for better evidence is not a declaration of innocence and may be reopened - lifting arguido status does not mean process is finished

- citizens have the obligation to make justice function - manifestations of solidarity have come from the most various quarters

- he is a Benfica fan

Di said...

Hi Joe

I have just been catching up on 3A's, I have been reading about the connection between Gordon Brown and his two brothers John and Andrew and the McCann's.

I have also read that George Galloway has been e-mailed about this case, I think we are going to see much more to come.

Di said...

Well, I am really getting a complex now, nobody wants to speak to me anymore :o(((((((((

I will look in tomorrow and hopefully someone will be around.

Enjoy your evening.

Joe said...

Hi Di,

Maybe you are right, I do'nt know, I think it is over really and people will get to see the process and see what the truth was after months of speculation on all the blogs and in the media. People will draw their own conclusions.

mandarinn said...

Good evening all
IMO , it is now,with the files in public domain , that mccans have to be afraid, more than the justice secrecy.
Soon everything will secrutinised by all kind of investigator, and the hight profile parents launched could be against them... imho

Joe said...

The PJ were slagged off by the British press from day one. Today we learn that Barry George was found not guilty in a retrial for the murder of the late Jill Dando. Mr george has spent several years in prison, it looks like the British Police were not up to it in this case. This man has an IQ of 70 and possibly should never have stood trial. My point is the McCanns were not fitted up an were not charged by a police force that they had so much disrespect for, and today yet another miscarriage of justice it appears by British Police that the Pros think are perfect. I am not getting at the Police in any way, just showing that no Police force is perfect.

Joe said...

I might just add IMO, perhaps that was what was intended for Mr Murat, a fit up that is, but the PJ did not buy it and had the honesty and integrity to see beyond the implications and smears.

viv said...

Hi Joe and all

I have not read about the BarryGeorge case as yet. But do you think this was a miscarriage of justice or more the case that there was insufficient evidence against him to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt? There is a wealth of circumstantial evidence that certainly points to his guilt. Maybe he had a really good barrister who reminded the jury that if they cannot be satisfied that the evidence leaves them in no doubt whatsoever then he entitled to be acquitted because the prosecution have failed to prove their case.

Is this not why although the guilt of the McCanns can be in no doubt - as the PJ say above, an abduction is impossible, but nevertheless they have not as yet been charged because on the strength of the available evidence to date, and with a very good legal team behind them, the chances are they would also be acquitted. An acquittal does not necessarily mean a person is innocent, it simply means the prosecution failed!

Viv x

Zodiac said...

Viv,

Thanks for making the Barry George case a little clearer. My hubby and I were talking about him earlier on today.

Joe said...

Viv,

I remember at the time of the first trial that the evidence was so flimsy that it was beyond pathetic. There was a microscopic spot of residue on a garment that helped to convict him that coold have been picked up anywhere in the air. His IQ was 70, he was a fantacist as well, so anybody interviewing him would soon find out, yet he gets convicted and loses his appeal even. It happens in every country.

viv said...

Hiya Zodiac

I note Commander Foy in charge of the Homicide Unit has expressed disappointment at the verdict. He clearly believes they had the right man and is therefore not prepared to say he accepts the jury's verdict.

Law can be just like a game really. It is played out in court and the one who can present the best evidence and argue the case and present the facts in the most convincing way, wins. This is not always a true reflection of justice. Many others countries in the EU have an inquisitorial system truly enquiring into the facts and circumstances, rather than two sides battling it out in our own adversarial system. It is a pity when sometimes it comes down to who had the best barrister! This man clearly is a dangerous stalker, he was even found hiding by Kensington Palace trying to get near Princess Di and armed with a knife. What is he going to do now he is released. Given he has been acquitted the probation service would not even have the authority to supervise him, but I guess the police will be keeping a close watch!

Viv x

Joe said...

Clearly the man has/had mental health issues and problems, and more than likely a personality disorder which is all the more reason that he was probably not fit to have a trial let alone be convicted of a crime he probaly did not commit. Mr Foy has no choice but to accept the verdict of the court, as he was happy to accept it twice before for this man. mentally ill people have to protected by the law as well IMO.

viv said...

Hiya Joe

You may find the link interesting which describes all the evidence against George and the lies he told.

Even his own barrister never raised the issue of him being unfit to take part in a trial and insanity is only a partial defence to murder anyway. He is not insane he is just of very low intelligence and prone to fantacising, a common feature of such people. The law does not allow people who kill to simply not be put on trial or dealt with. Victims have a right to the protection the law affords them.

If you read this, I hope you will agree the evidence against him could in no way be described as "flimsy" but a lot of it was circumstantial as it is against Kate and Gerry McCann. Would you argue they should therefore not be accused or put on trial?

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/1923.html&query=dando+or+george&method=boolean

Ecolab said...

* A lawyer called the McCanns and said "Justice has been done."
The McCanns said "Then we'll sue."

Joe said...

Viv,

The point is if the McCanns were in the UK when madeline disappeared and if there was circumstantial evidence would they have gone to trial, even if they lied?

I think not. You and I are talking in hindsight of course and have the advantage, but all I meant to say was that Police and courts do get it wrong, and often spectacularly. With George there was a failure in the system re his mental health and the proof of that is his acquital today. It should have been impressed on the Jury that if a reasonable doubt exists acquit, but often mentally ill people do not appear to get the benefit of that. There was another chap a few years ago that spent years in jail and died after being let out on appeal. innocent and just last year someone else was convicted for the murder. I just hate to see injustice and the Police and Courts should be impeccable if possible ( not realistic I know).

Ecolab said...

Joe old chap ;-))

What would have happend, if The McCanns had stayed in the appartment during the evening of May 3?

What would have happend, if The McCanns had paid for a babysitter to sit in the appartment the evening of May 3?

Everybody knew exactly something was going to happen, it was a question of what!

What would have happend, if this (Madeleine Gone) would not have occurred?

dylan said...

Hiya folks,

Apologies for inebriated post last night - although I did have an excuse!

Barry George was considered incapable due to being not mentally fit to have carried out the crime with forward planning. I personally don't think he did it but that's just my own stance.

Docmac, I have medical question - in vitro, whether xx of xy chromasomes, does the mother's hormones (irrespective of the xx, xy) have a role to play in the gender of the baby at birth? Only asking because I had a discussion last night. Whilst I acknowledge that a child's sex is determined from the moment of fertilisation, I think that I have heard that the mother's hormones dictate the outcome of that gender in the early days of development. I've googled but can't find a decent journal!

Ta! xx

Zodiac said...

Viv,

I happen to think that the Law is all pompous theatrics. I do not say this lightly. Merely that my baby boy has chosen Law as his profession, his future. He is a bl**dy intelligent boy (all my 3 boys are and also my little baby girl aged 8, who also wants to be a lawyer) but most of all he is a brilliant actor and pompous with it. He is about to start his 2nd year of his Law degree. At this stage he has decided that Civil Law is the route he will be following. When he was younger it was Human Rights he wanted to follow, now at approaching the tender age of 19 he wants to be where the money is. Whatever he wants to do I will support him, I am his mum and I love him, he has always made me proud as have his brothers. Maybe he will be able to help me protect my personal savings of £15.00 from any sueing. That is my GA book fund.

Ecolab said...

Dylan:
Females are ALWAYS XX and males are XY.
That means that the male is making the gender!

The female is giving a X (always).
The male a X OR an Y. Is he giving a X it will be a girl - is he giving a Y - it will be a boy.

The mother(XX) cannot by will or hormones decide whether she`ll make a boy or a girl!

There are though some curcumstances in inviroment, acid, sugar, common sex/seldom sex position etc that favorice the gender in comming!
The male-gender and the Y cromosome is the weakest of the two Sexes/sexcromosomes and do continue to be the weakest in life too (lifespan)!


I hope it did help a little?

viv said...

Hiya Joe

I actually think it is quite discriminatory to equate mental ill health with learning disabilities. They are not the same thing! I am not aware of George being diagnosed with any mental illness although he does seem to have personality disorder this may simply be part of his learning disabilities and how he seeks to compensate for that. He had the benefit of expert counsel at his various trials and appeals and no issue was raised about mental health so far as I am aware. His defence was run on the basis that although witnesses identified him they were mistaken, that although gun shot residue matching that found in Dando's hair was found in his pocket this was only a tiny trace and could have come from contamination, that although he had an obsession with celebrities like Dando and Princess Diana and guns this did not mean he was a killer. It was also stated that due to his low intellect he could not have planned the crime, but it does not seem to me the crime was planned in any sophisticated way, he had guns and he was seen by no less than nine people in broad daylight. This is hardly a crime committed by a clever person who carefully planned it! At no stage was it ever suggested that he was mentally incapacitated to the extent he simply could not form the intention to commit murder. Had the defence been seeking to suggest this medical reports would have been obtained to prove this but this was not how his defence was run. At the end of the day it has been a successful defence, that the evidence, such as it was, could not prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, at least in the minds of the second set of jurors and with further evidence condeming the gun residue evidence, even from the FSS. Again there is a link to the McCann case here. The FSS are very careful to give clear advice, if there is no scientific basis for saying the forensic evidence actually proves guilt then they will say so. What they said was there as an equal chance he was or was not the killer and this would clearly have swayed the jury to acquit him.

People with both learning disabilities and mental ill health do sometimes commit serious crimes just like others do, whilst reasonable adjustments must be made for either this does not mean they are entitled to be acquitted, if guilty. The public are entitled to protection from the law.

I happen to think he was guilty but I guess it is one of those cases where no one could say there were certain. The state of the evidence really just was not good enough. I also think that with the sort of evidence they had in t his case, such a trial would no longer be mounted and that is why we are still waiting to see the McCanns put on trial. Like George it very clearly suggests they did it, but not beyond all reasonable doubt sufficient for a court of law. With George there were witnesses who thought they placed him at the scene. With the McCanns there is no doubt about that! On balance I think I would at least have to agree the case against the McCanns is stronger but the CPS/Portuguese prosecutor will not run with it at this stage. It is true to say the law has moved on and better evidence is now expected to support a conviction. It would be niave to suggest the McCanns are not packing a pretty powerful punch in terms of decisions on charging at this stage. When they are charged the whole of the case against them will have to be put before the court, it is not an option to go along and say well they neglected their children..if that is all the prosecution could say with certainty then that is all they could be prosecuted for. Clearly it is felt they did far more than that. Indeed the killing would seem to be linked to the negligence in that they wanted to stop Madeleine from crying out and being heard by Mrs Fenn or others again.

viv said...

Zodiac

I agree if your son is very clever, a great actor and also pompous then he is a budding barrister with all the right attributes:-)))))

A word of caution however, some judges can be extremely harsh on pompous young barristers who think they are more up to date and quicker thinking than the judge. Tact and due deference also pays! Of course once he gets to be a George Carmen..


Viv xxxx

dolores said...

The Office of Public Prosecutor (PGR) confirmed today that "certain information" contained in the files of inquiry to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will remain secret under the guise of justice.
A spokesman for the office of Attorney-General of the Republic (PGR) confirmed that the judge Pedro Frias, head of the Madeleine case has received and accepted a request to keep confidential, secret justice, some very specific information .
The spokesman's office PGR also stressed that the details which will remain under secret of justice "are not considered as evidence." The firm PMP did not want to identify who was behind the request handling of secret justice.

The judge and two policemen, including Stuart Prior, liaison officer with the PJ, have visited the Court of Portimao to ask the Public Ministry not to release the secret of justice on the whole file "Maddie".The motivations of this approach would be different, according to the Portuguese press. There would, on the one hand, the fact that the British police would like to keep secret the contents of the list of British citizens classified as "paedophiles" living in the Algarve. "Maddie". These known paedophiles were clearly identified on a list that the British authorities have surrendered to the PJ and is part of the dossier "Maddie".The lifting of the secrecy of justice would make the content of the list accessible to the public.The other reason, according to the Portuguese press, the request would not lift the secrecy of Justice on the results of DNA tests. Madeleine McCann. It seems that the English do not wish to disclose the preliminary report of the lab in Birmingham in which it is established that 15 of the 19 genetic markers coincide perfectly with the DNA of Madeleine McCann. The report was said against thereafter.The remains gathered behind the sofa, according to the first report coincided also with the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann. This report, which has comforted the PJ, and the British liaison officer in their suspicions about the fact that Madeleine is dead between 17:30 and 22:00 at the Ocean Club Praia da Luz and that the body was carried in the car rented by parents, 22 days later.

J J said...

Morning everyone
Ecolab
You ask what would have happened if the McCanns had paid a babysitter on May 3rd.

They couldn't pay a babysitter for their three children because the sitter might just have noticed that there were only two children.

It's all part of the abduction theory scam.

At least that's how it looks to me.

dylan said...

Thanks Ecolab.
I did know that xx means girl and xy means boy. It was just that I had heard somewhere that all foeti start off as female and it takes the mother's hormones to 'make' it male. Somehow, the mother's body 'knows' that it is an xy embryo and delivers the correct hormones to kick-start the correct male organs. I just can't confirm it because I can't find any info with the words I'm typing in on google!!

Viv, the programme I saw about Barry George was very biased towards his 'innocence'. After reading your post, I think I have now changed my mind.

Zodiac, since you are such an intelligent mum, I have no doubt that your babies are all brain-boxes :))) Maybe your son could help with Leps? I could pay him from the fund and he'll get a trip to Africa and India ;)
Keep the bin liners coming in!

xx

Joe said...

Hi Viv,

My net provider went down last night and I have had no broadband until now, so my apologies for not replying to you and other posters.

I do not have absolute belief in any Police, Courts, Doctors, Governments, where ever they are as the weak link is human beings, prone to mistakes and corruption,or whatever. In the case of George he is /was very unstable, his life spent living his dangerous fantasies. There is often enormous pressure on a Police force to pin it on someone especially if the victim was a high profile person. I am not saying that was the case here but it happens. All I am saying in conclusion, is that once the prosecution process of a suspect starts it grinds on to the end and then it depends on a jury, a judge, how good a counsel is for the defence and prosecution, in effect a lottery. It the only system we have got, flawed but not perfect.


In the case of the McCanns justice as we know it and expect prevails as clearly there is not enough evidence to prosecute and like it or not that is the way it should be in a fair legal system. As the PJ were unable to obtain sufficient evidence then we have to accept that decision by the Prosecutors. Possibly such a high profile case, political pressure, media pressure all influenced the decision processes here. My whole thread started with the McCanns being afraid that they were being fitted up by the PJ........ not so as we have seen, integrity to the end.

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Dylan,

'I did know that xx means girl and xy means boy. It was just that I had heard somewhere that all foeti start off as female and it takes the mother's hormones to 'make' it male. Somehow, the mother's body 'knows' that it is an xy embryo and delivers the correct hormones to kick-start the correct male organs. I just can't confirm it because I can't find any info with the words I'm typing in on google!!'



I also heard that all foeti start of as female. Hence the reason we all have nipples, not trying to be crude.

BBFN

dylan said...

Zodiac,

Lol! and thanks ;)

xx

dylan said...

I can't access Claudia's blog and I know she is away at the moment. I get a blog message that I need to contact the author to read. Anyone know if this is possible whilst Claudia is away?

xx

Wizard said...

Hi dylan,

I have been having the same problem with Claudia's blog - I guess we will have to wait until she returns from holiday then she can sort it out.

dylan said...

Cheers Wizard. Tought it was just me ;)

xx

J J said...

Hello Wizard & Dylan

Claudia left a message on this site, just before she went away.
She's closing/blocking the site until she comes back.

I'm not sure of the technical things I'm a computer idiot.
I just know no-one can access it before she gets back.

dylan said...

Thanks JJ.

At least I won't take it personally now but I do miss her site.

xx

Zodiac said...

CHAPTER 4

The Det said your children madam...yes I have 3, I said. No...no you misunderstand me he said who will look after them whilst you are at the Police station. Oh..eh...at this point Xavier said, we will. Oh! thank you I said. Tomorrow is a Bank holiday so just bring the darlings back at about 4pm, they love playing with your kids. Things were looking not so bad, I would have most of the day to myself and 40 mins quality Mummy time with my cherubs before they were packed off to spend 4 access days with their father...continued...

Ms Moron I notice the two laptops sitting on the floor on top of plastic bags. Do they belong to you? BOGOF...I said. I beg your pardon madam exclaimed Det Goodbook! Buy one get one free, the local computer store had an offer on...oh..I think about two years ago, he bent down and ran his gloved finger across the top of one of the laptops, I swear he was checking for dust. Just before we left I had time to say to my friends, those two laptops make sure no one touches them. I felt like a lioness with her cubs when it came to my valuables.

We arrived at the Police station. I had never been in one in before, I did not like this place. I felt for the first time in my life, vulnerable. Well Goodbook kept me waiting for a whole 5 mins before he decided to come and speak to me. He kept going on and on about leaving my kids in an unlocked house. He asked me if I thought this was responsible. Look if I thought for one second it was not safe to go out and leave the house unlocked, I would never have done it I told him. He kept talking but I was not listening. Then an overwhelming fear of dread took over me. I remembered I'd put Ida's tupperware box with my slice of Passion fruit Pavlova on the study desk, I had seen Goodbook looking at it. When we were leaving my house to come here Xavier was sitting on the computer chair and I distinctly remember the tupperware box was not on the desk. I bet that greedy barsteward Goodbook swiped it for his 2 hour tea break! Well that must be about 15 mins I've been here and I have not even been offered a coffee, that is bl**dy ridiculous. All I could hear was Goodbook saying blah..blah..blah..blah! Well that must be about 50 mins now and still no offer of a coffee. Then through the haze I heard you can go home now, we will contact you in due course. Would you believe it, I had to get a taxi home!

It felt good to be home, safe no more listening to Goodbook blabbering nonsense. I remembered I had a bottle of wine in the fridge. That would be a nice nightcap. My eyes lit up with joy when I saw the tupperware box in the fridge. It had a little sticky note on it "put this in here for you to enjoy later, love Ida". Oh! goody, yum....yum I took the pav, the wine, a glass and a spoon up to my bed with me. I was so hungry I scoffed the pav in about a minute. I had a glass of the wine and started to drift off into a peaceful sleep...mmm...I thought...tomorrow will be a 'me day'. Bring..bring..bring..bring! I answered the phone that was on the bed side table. Yaa......aaa....yawn....who...is...this, I did not recognize the voice on the phone. It is Det Avery Goodbook, Ms Moron there is a Police car on it's way to pick you up. We have just arrested a youth who has on his possession a laptop that we think may be yours. It matches the same description that Ms Dolly Dimple gave us. The car will be with you in about 10 mins. FFS I thought how dare they interrupt my sleep over something so trivial. I did not want to go there on my own. I phoned Pop Sickle his OH Patty O'Furniture answered the phone. She sounded so masculine. Hi Patty, I said can I speak to Pop she handed the phone to Pop, she must have gone back to sleep pronto cause it sounded like there was a wild boar in the room. I explained to Pop that I needed him, and he was round here in a flash. The Police car arrived to take me to the station. I told the Bobbie I wanted Pop to accompany me, thats fine he said. Well no need for speeding I told the Bobbie, I suffer from car sickness you know, I was feeling really p'd off I just knew this was a waste of time I just knew it would not be my laptop they would have. Pop and I were asked to wait in the reception area, well it looked gawd awful really manky and not very welcoming. Pop was dozing off, I searched through my bag for my Dintendo nos. The only game I had was one of Marty's, 'Teach your 3 yr old how to Spell'. Pop I said here you can use this to stop you from dying of boredom whilst we wait. Well I wish I had never given him it. All I could hear through the jingly music was, 'wrong try again', 'wrong try again', 'wrong try again', 'come on keep trying you can do it'. He was getting pretty frustrated, he took a lollipop out of his trouser pocket and sat there sooking it. Between 'wrong try again' and the sook, sook sound he was starting to get on my nerves. Goodbook eventually appeared and I was invited to view the recovered laptop. Well as I thought, it was not mine and a total waste of my time. I was not amused. Pop and I had to get a taxi home. How much money has that cost me on two taxis! I invited him in for a drink. I remembered the last time he and I had been alone, I was totally pissed as a f@rt, I was so legless he had to help me home one night from Stu and Ida's. I think I might have done something I shouldn't that night, I do not remember and that is my excuse and I am sticking to it! Pop and Patty did not behave like husband and wife. More like brother and sister, she was a good few years older, very podgy and liked to baby him. I know Pop has a thing for me but he can get any ideas out of his head if he thinks anything is happening tonight. We finished the bottle of wine that I had opened earlier and then opened a new one. We had one glass each from the new bottle and then I told him to go, he was starting to look quite handsome, at that point I new I was pissed and if I had anymore I might regret it in the morning.

Bzzz...bzzz....bzzz, WTF... my mobile phone was ringing in my bag I took it out and looked at the time 10.45am who the fk is phoning at this ungodly hour! There was a text message. Mt @ Stu's @ 11.45am 4 Power Brunch and discuss the wider Agenda Boabie xxx. OMG! I am fkn shattered I cannot be bothered with all this poop I thought. I lay in bed snoozing for about 15 mins. Then finally I dragged myself out of bed and into the shower got dressed and walked round to Stu's feeling totally p'd off, especially as I only had about 40 mins to get myself ready. I did not look my usual best. I was in a strop. When I arrived and saw all the lovely food laid out on the table I felt a little better. The smell of bacon and sausages made my tummy rumble. All the gang were there except Xavier and Sue. We sat down and got tucked into the feast. Eating with friends is so much fun. We were discussing the wider Agenda regarding my snatched laptop over our breakfast brunch. When suddenly I stood up and shouted Boabie..you..reek..a!...you...reek...a! Well everyone nearly choked on their full Scottish breakfast the smell brought tears to our eyes. I said. Have you been eating Chum, Boabie? That smell is disgusting you should have kept that to yourself and gone out to the garden for a moment to quietly let that one off!

Well the Power Brunch was quite productive. Boabie had arranged a Conference for the next day in the Town Hall. The local paper were sending a reporter, there would be some TV folk and one of the National's were sending a reporter. I felt quite excited. I decided to go home and start copying my notes into a pretty notebook that Dolly had given me at Christmas..06..or...was it 03. It had a purpose now. Just as I got in the door the phone was ringing. again! It was my Mum, I could see her number on the caller display panel. I did think about not answering it as I could not be bothered with her questioning me again. Well I did answer and I wish I had not. Where have you been, you might have phoned to let me know how things were. I have been worrying all night, are the kids OK! Yes they are fine Xavier and Sue have them, now I have to go mum I have lots to do. I have been at a meeting with my PR Spokesperson/Solicitor for 3 hours and I am tired. I thought to myself does she not realise I've been up and down all night and I did not even get a long sleep in today. Look I have to go mum, the kids are going to be home at 4 and I've got lots to do. I found my notebook and started writing. I jotted down all the questions I would allow at my Press conference tomorrow. Boabie was proving to be very useful. He did not have any formal Educational or Legal qualifications. This did not bother me, actually it made me feel quite superior with me having a Degree. Well the kids arrived bang on 4pm. I was still feeling shattered so I put a tray with bicuits and milk in front of the TV. Let's play mummy is in hospital and you are the nurses looking after me. They played around pretending to take my temp etc. They soon got bored and started watching TV. Marty snuggled up on his bean bag reading one of his favourite 'The Secretive Seven' books. I felt quite sleepy and closed my eyes for few minutes. Yeh! they screamed and wakened me with a jolt. Their Dad had arrived to take them to his for 4 days. Normally it was me shouting Yeh but today I did not have the energy.

Well tomorrow is going to be a busy day but I am determined to still fit in my me time.

My witnesses for all the occassions that my laptop was used without my permission are:

Stu Pidder and his partner Ida Nyit.
Patty O'Furniture and her partner Pop Sickle.
Xavier Breath and his partner Sue Cherself.
Dolly Dimple and her partner Hyman Idiot.
And of course not forgetting my PR rep should I need one Boabie Puller.

dylan said...

Zodiac, you are a natural comic! Has LGC seen your story? She might hire you :)

Off out for my first proper date. If all goes well, I probably won't be back on here tonight ;))

Take care all.

xx

Zodiac said...

Dylan

Have great night out.

bath theory said...

Just got back from my holiday and can anyone update me
1)re Payne and whether it was a story put about to quiet him or whether it had credence
2)Viv did you read my e-mail about Docmac and Claudia and my congrats on your compensation claim etc
3)How come Claudia's website has become members only. I can't get into it and I was the first person to leave a message originally so I am worried something or someone has clamped down on her.
4)Has Gordan Brown been kicked out yet?

Di said...

Hi All

Dylan

Enjoy your evening and I hope you WON'T be back on here tonight :o))

Zodiac

I just love reading your posts. I know we are talking about a very serious situation, but I think we all have to be light hearted at times.

Keep them coming. I believe 3A's love them as well. As I said last night you should write a book, you have an incredible talent.

Di said...

Hi BT

Gordon Brown is still here, but today it has been mentioned that he is thinking of a re-shuffle.

Claudia has gone away and closed her site for the time being.

Re- Payne not sure.

Di said...

BT

Re-Payne

This is the thread on 3A's at the moment which may be of interest to you.


http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=19326&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1350

Zodiac said...

Di,

'I just love reading your posts. I know we are talking about a very serious situation, but I think we all have to be light hearted at times.'

I agree 100% this is a very serious situation. I only wish the parents realised that and put their energies into trying to find their child if they beleive she has been abducted. IMO, they and their odious PR Spokesperson/Solicitor are deluded. Issuing ludicrous threats to anyone who dares not to believe their story and having the audacity to tell the general public in the UK we cannot talk about or even read about it. Their behaviour has been strange to me since day 1 and it just gets stranger and stranger, imo. Did you read on 3 A's that GA was warned by nitwit to be careful.

Di said...

Zodiac

Yes, I have read that GA has been warned. The pink one is dreaming of stations above his post!!

I have just been reading a thread on 3A's that it is Tony & Cherie Blair that are behind this fiasco of support for the McCanns and Gordon inherited the situation.

I am not sure what to make of that.

isis said...

WAs just re-reading the pj report whenthis jumped out at me, i dont remember having seen it before. If true imo it is enormous........6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN

- cadaver odour dog:
* in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
* in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
* in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)

Di said...

Hi Isis

I knew they had found Cadaver on Kate's clothing but I have never seen anything mentioned about clothing belonging to Madeleine.

Is that what you are surprised at?

Di said...

Off now tv calling.

Enjoy your evening all.

isis said...

Di, yes i knew about kates clothes but i had read the report several times and for some reason this jumped out at me this time around.

dylan said...

Hi Guys!

Obviously had a nice eve as I'm back this morning!

It was a night of coincidences. I bumped into an old friend from NI who in turn met a friend of hers there too. Her son was with her & there were three Michaels sat at the table. She has the same name as me....! At the end if the eve, [my michael] came across an old friend of his who is also from NI but not connected to the others. All very bizarre.

And this is the most bizarre bit - Michael lived in Leicester for a bit and worked for the NHS and actually knows K & G !!! I would have loved to have discussed the case with him but he's very much a pro!!! So, I guess my thoughts are a closed conversation with him now. Haven't changed my mind though & I'll see what info I can illicit from him ;)

Sleeping with the enemy!

xx

dylan said...

Isis, Di,

I read that too and was very surprised about the scent on Madeleine's clothes. I can't work out why it would be on them as I would have thought the evidence went with her...

Di said...

Good morning Dylan

It sounds as if you had a very enjoyable evening. Michael knowing K & G, what a small world! I am sure you will be having many interesting conversations.

Regarding the scent on a piece of clothing belonging to Madeleine. Like you I am very surprised at this, especially when they were supposed to be meticulous at removing any evidence. I never got to read all of Claudia's translation before she went away. Was there any mention of all the cleaning in the apartment i.e the washing of the curtains and scrubbing of the floor.

dylan said...

Hiya Di,

I didn't get to read it all either but I remember hearing about it a while back now. Apparently they turned their cleaner away. Odd that - cleaner cancelled, baby sitter cancelled. They were on holiday, i know if I were them, I'd jump at the chance of having a free cleaning service!

I don't think I'll get much out of Michael in the way of conversation as he likes them both. I'm going to have to think up some questions that don't sound too disrespectful. Typical! Any help with questions would be appreciated. I thought to ask: so have K & G always been neglectful parents? Then realised how that would sound ;)

xx

Di said...

What I would like to know, is why Kate & Gerry are above the law and why they are being treated with kid gloves?

Off out now, enjoy your day.

dylan said...

Yes, I'd love to know the answer to that question too.

Have a great day out:)))

xx

dylan said...

He's also involved with child welfare. Very surprised he didn't have an scathing comments about them leaving their children. I didn't set out to ask him at all because it's not really a first date thing is it? So tell me - what do you think about the Madeleine case?? The subject only came up because we went on my computer to look at the winks he has had on the dating website and up pops 'madeleine blogs' folder on my favourites. That took some explaining!!

Where is everbody today?

xx

mandarinn said...

Morning Dylan, I'm glad you had a nice date.
I don't know where theothers are. I think there is a lot of people out in vacation.
as for the sent of dead in madeleines clothing it is the first time i saw it 2, andit seems a very important signe that Madeleine is ead, poor baby.

mandarinn said...

However we have no idea which piece of clothing it is. Maybe something they had chengwe on hwer and forgot.

mandarinn said...

It would be very interesting to know exactly which piece of clothing it was

dylan said...

Hello Mandarin,

Yes it's an odd one that and certainly a sad sign that she is dead. Judging by how thorough they've been though, I can't imagine that the clothes wouldn't have been disposed of and why would they have taken them off? I don't know if it's possible for cadaver scent to be transferred by touch. All a bit of a mystery.

Just a thought, maybe she was wearing her clothes when [it] happened and they put her pyjamas on afterwards so that it would look like they/ he were carrying a sleepy, but alive child?

xx

isis said...

Morning all, mandarinn, according to an illustration from mr amarals book i think, the pyjamas have been illustrated as being signaled by the cadaver dog. I started a thread on the 3a and got lots of interesting replies.

mandarinn said...

It is a possibility, according with what they staged later.But If it was found her blood, it means she was seriously harmed, and in this case it would be a clue to know, a certain item of her clothing had no blood.

mandarinn said...

Morning Isis, i never go to 3arg because it is complex to orientate myself . It would be very kind of you if you tell us here what is saying there.

isis said...

Mandarin, herre is the link, mabey someone here who can make hyperlinks would make it one. If not here is the link that will bring you straight to the topic,just cut and paste it to your explorer bar and click, its all there............http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20237&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

mandarinn said...

BTW if it was the pijamas,why they had changed it?? Another doubt i have is related to blood. Once i read a theory, i think dcm theory, about how she dead and it included blod.That theory is so horrible that something in me can't accept it :(((((

isis said...
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mandarinn said...

Thank you ISIS

isis said...

Mandarinn , meant to say copy and paste the link... sorry !!

dylan said...

Hi Isis.

In that case they must have changed her pyjamas but what did they do with the ones she was wearing? They must have washed them and thought that that would get rid of the forensics as with cuddle cat etc. Begs the question too - why change them? That can only mean that the pair she was wearing had blood on them which concurrs with the blood scent in various places.

xx

mandarinn said...

But... keela didn't mark blood there ...

dylan said...

Isis,

The link doesn't work unless you have a login, which I don't.

xx

dylan said...

Mandarinn,

But... keela didn't mark blood there

Where is 'there' ?

xx

mandarinn said...

Sorry Dylan i meant , if i remenber right, keela only mark blood on the wall and floor. (there =clothing, pijamas)..

isis said...

Hi Dyl and Mandarinn, it was the cadaver dog that alerted to the clothing, i dont know if the blood dog alerted first and then they brought the cadaver dog to further investigate. Sorry i forgot that it was register to read now. Im off for a while will look in later.

dylan said...

Oh I see. Thanks.

This gets more confusing by the minute! As I understand then, there were places marked as cadaver scent that weren't tallied with Keela's blood scent?

xx

mandarinn said...

It is all very confusing, mainly if we admit maddy dead on the way , advanced by theories of acidental dead or killing which will do a lot of blood in clothes

mandarinn said...

Dylan , that why i remenber it..., maybe the sent of dead is more persistent than blods sent

mandarinn said...

*scent, sorry my spell,english is only my second forigne language

dylan said...

Mandarinn, don't worry :) your English is fine and I can interpret what you mean ;)

You may be right in thinking cadaver scent is more persistent than blood. I don't know,but it's a theory anyway.

xx

mandarinn said...

There are a theory, which seems to me plausible, about Maddy beeing oversedated. It could exlain the long time Oldfield had been away, he told attending her vomiting child. It was said this doctor work in recovering emergencies cases. However so long as i know it will includ actions that make a lot of blood...
note= i'm ignorant in medecine, i'm speaking by what i had read and saw in movies

dylan said...

Mandarinn,

That's what my theory is too. I think they oversedated her and tried to revive her, quite violently, but failed - hence the blood. I asked Docmac if that was a possibility and in his own, inimitable fashion, said that it might be!

xx

bath theory said...

From the McCann files

The Judiciária's 48 questions that Kate did not answer

1 On the 3rd of May 2007, at around 10 p.m., when you entered the apartment, what did you see, what did you do, where did you search, what did you handle?

2 Did you search in the couple's bedroom closet? (said she would not reply)

3 (Two photographs of her bedroom's closet are exhibited) Can you describe its contents?

4 Why are the curtains in front of the side window, behind the sofa (photograph is exhibited) ruffled? Did someone pass behind that sofa?

5 How long did the search that you made in the apartment after detecting the disappearance of your daughter Madeleine take?

6 Why did you say straight away that Madeleine had been abducted?

7 Presuming that Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins alone at home while you went to the Tapas to raise the alarm? Even because the supposed abductor could still be inside the apartment.

8 Why didn't you ask the twins at that moment what had happened to their sister, or why didn't you ask them at a later point in time?

9 When you raised the alarm at the Tapas, what exactly did you say and what were the words?

10 What happened after you raised the alarm at the Tapas?

11 Why did you go to warn your friends instead of calling out from the balcony?

12 Who contacted the authorities?

13 Who participated in the searches?

14 Did anyone outside of the group learn about Maddie's disappearance during the following minutes?

15 Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16 What does the expression "we let her down" mean?

17 Did Jane mention to you that she had seen a man with a child that night?

18 How were the authorities contacted and which police force was called?

19 During the searches, and already with the police present, in what locations was Maddie searched for, how and in what manner?

20 Why didn't the twins wake up during that search, or when they went to the upper floor?

21 Who did you call after the facts?

22 Did you call SKY News?

23 Did you know about the danger of calling the media, because that could influence the abductor?

24 Did you request the presence of a priest?

25 How was Madeleine's face publicised, with a photograph, or other media?

26 Is it true that during the search you remained seated on Maddie's bed without moving?

27 How did you behave that evening?

28 Did you manage to sleep?

29 Before the trip to Portugal, did you comment on a bad feeling or a bad premonition?

30 What was Madeleine's behaviour?

31 Did Maddie suffer of any disease or did she take any kind of medication?

32 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings?

33 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings, her friends and her colleagues at school?

34 Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked?

35 What is your medical specialty?

36 Did you work by shifts, in emergency rooms or in other departments?

37 Did you work on a daily basis?

38 Did you stop working at a certain point in time? Why?

39 Do your twin children have difficulty in falling asleep, are they unruly and does that upset you?

40 Is it true that at certain times you were desperate over your children's attitude and that left you upset?

41 Is it true that in England you considered the possibility of handing over Madeleine's guardianship to a relative?

42 In England, did you give your children medication? What type of medication?

43 Within the process, you were shown films of cynotechnical inspection of forensic character, where the dogs can be seen marking indications of human cadaver odour and equally human blood traces, and only of human origin, as well as all the comments that were made by the responsible expert. After the visualisation, and after cadaver odour was signalled in your bedroom next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa that was pushed against the living room window, you said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said?

44 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood behind the sofa by the detection dog?

45 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of cadaver odour in the boot of the vehicle that you rented a month after the disappearance?

46 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood in the boot of the vehicle?

47 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, upon being confronted with the result of the collection of Maddie's DNA, which was analysed by a British lab, behind the sofa and inside the vehicle's boot?

48 Did you have any responsibility or intervention in the disappearance of your daughter?

The question that she answered

Are you aware of the fact that by not answering these questions you may compromise the investigation, which is trying to find out what happened to your daughter? She said "Yes, if the investigation thinks so".

bath theory said...

Thanks Di by the way. My point here is she knew she was being portected politically or otherwise when she made that last comment because it is a comment designed to belittle or goad in my opinion.

dylan said...

Hi BT.

Can't think why she couldn't answer the questions. Very telling in itself.

Got to go now, back later this eve.

xx

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Hi All

The question that most people seem to be locking onto is No.41.

Is this linked with WOC especially the 2006 case allegedly detailed along with the recent case.

hope4truth said...

BT

Was just looking to see if that had been posted here it is bloody chilling... There are a few questions I would have to say I dont know to but the rest would be simple to say yes or no or to explaine... Her last comment sums up what a cold heartless bitch she is never gave a damn about Madeleine and I never wanted to believe that the money was important to them but it so obviously is....

I will be printing this off and handing it to someone who I work with she often asks what is going on. I printed off some of the book and when I next visited that office 10 people were asking me quesions and saying OMG we had no idea.

I told them it is not my opinion but the opinion of the man who lead the origanal investigation and IMHO if there was nothing to look for they could have saved a lot of cash a long time ago...

A few collegues are now hooked on the McCann files and a couple have joined the 3As and cant belive all the information out there.

I have also encouraged them to read Gerry's Blogs on the McCann Files as no Anti sping there he wrote them....

J J said...

Hello All

I don't think this has been posted before.
It is an interview, in English with Goncalo Amaral.

http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/index.pl

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Thank you jj.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

jj

Link doesn't work with either of my browsers. I often have this sort of trouble.

J J said...

I hope I've done it right.
The site is called The Portugal News on line.
It's an English language newspaper, published in Portugal.
I'll try it another way and see what happens.

J J said...

Let's see if this one works.

http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=970-2

I'm afraid I'm a computer idiot, so I hope someone can see what I've done wrong.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

jj

I'll try again with your other suggestions.

From past experience any problem I am having is NOT down to you.

J J said...

ictoan

It's very interesting, I hope you can get it.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

JJ

Thanks I have access via the 3A link.

Glad I joined.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

jj

Other posters on 3A have had problems accessing the newspaper article from the newspaper's own site.

J J said...

ictoan

I didn't have any trouble. Just as well really, as soon as something goes wrong I'm lost.
Glad you got there in the end.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

jj

The information that has been coming in in the last few days is making my brain hurt.

I need to do something different for a couple of hours. BBL.

J J said...

ictoan

I know how you feel.

Bye

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Well Dylan I nearly fell off my computer seat.

'Sleeping with the enemy!'

LOL!

If you like this guy dont ruin your relationship over those two. So many lives have been affected by those selfish eejits. Let's hope he talks in his sleep.

Zodiac said...

'The site is called The Portugal News on line.
It's an English language newspaper, published in Portugal.'

JJ I think the legal team (CM) may have overlooked this scenario when the threats were issued. I was just thinking the other day it would be great if CdM or any other paper issued online their articles regarding this case in English. Especially as Monday is the day they get access to the information. Having read the above article from the McC files,imo, they deserve all that is coming their way.

mandarinn said...

Zodiac :: he talks in his sleep.. " lolololol
To who is interested, i think the interview is the one posted in english in Joanas blog.(the interview of GA)

Zodiac said...

in English, alongside the PT one.

Zodiac said...

Mandarrin,

Did you read/see the interview where GA says Pinky had told him to be careful or words to that effect. Well I was and still am PMSL every time I think of it.
GA said was he worried for my health or safety, did he think I might slip on a banana peel lying in the street. Good on GA for showing eejit features up for what he is.

mandarinn said...

Yes Zodiac ... and i found it good answer. Me by myself i would call it try to intimidate, to don't say worse

mandarinn said...

Now i also read Portugal online interview. It is not the same as joanas.
Now i'm of to see the Batman movie.
A nice evening to all.

dylan said...

Hi guys!

Zodiac - lolololol!!!! I'm sure can bribe info out of him ;)))

Hope4T, I didn't read that last question properly, now that I have, I must say it's an eye-opener. There's no rhyme or reason to not answering most of them and as you said, it was a simple case of yes or no. If a person were innocently complicit, there's no way they would avoid the questions. Why would they? There is a lot to be read between the lines IMO. Kate put up a wall which didn't need constructing if she wanted to get her daughter back & she obviously knew that that wasn't a possibility.

xx

dylan said...

I feel like I'm a double agent now!
How naughty of me!

hope4truth said...

Hey Dyl

How was your hot pro date (blimey) I am sure you will sort it out (if he is worth it)if you know people who are accused of something so horific it must be hard to see them as anything other than what they knew them as very hard to do...

Very strange that she chose not to answere questions if inocent there would be an explanation for everything and I cant see anyone "fitting them up" as they do have so many hight flyers around them (they look very guilty to a lot of people and still they have all their supporters so I cant see any one even trying to pass the blame onto 2 inocent parents...

The more I read factualy from this the less I understand anyone sticking up for them???

How are you anyway just finished helping my husband build a 12ft trampoline in the farden it is a lot bigger than we thought it would be oh well will look forward to bouncing on it when it stops raining...

Oh just heard a trailer for Heartbeat tonight Aidensfields police are none to happy when 2 kids are left home alone (and that is set in the 70s) xxx

Zodiac said...

Well tomorrow is going to be a busy day but I am determined to still fit in my me time.....contd

CHAPTER 5

The kids had just left with their Dad. I lay down on the sofa and drifted off to sleep. I never had any bother sleeping I always slept like a log. I could hear the front doorbell.. Oh! for fk’s sake when am I ever going to get any peace. I answered the door it was Pop, Patty and Boabie. Hi darling we just wanted to run over our scripts with you before tomorrow, it is important we are all saying the same thing said Boabie. A..ph...fff….ok come in, I said. I was feeling really tired and all the fuss this snatched laptop was creating was really starting to annoy me, I just wanted some normality back in my life. Boabie cheered me up he told me he had been busy all afternoon phoning around his contacts and he had managed to get me a few freebies, one of them was a suite at the best hotel in town to prepare myself for my debut. The posh Hair Salon in town were sending along their top hair stylist and beauty therapist to do the full works cut'n'blow dry, highlights, straighten my hair, a facial, a full aromatherapy body massage, a manicure, pedicure and waxing. I made a little squealing noise and stuck my tongue out (I did that when I was exited or nervous) I was feeling much better now. I really could not believe it when he said the most expensive boutique in town were sending along a selection of outfits for me to choose one from, along with matching dress jewellery for the Press conference tomorrow. I was starting to feel like a Celebrity and I think I liked it. Well as if that was not enough. Boabie kept the best freebie till last. I could not believe it. The Mayor was sending his chauffer driven Bentley to pick the three of us up to take us to the Press conference. Talk about arriving in style. Well when I heard that I did pee a little. I had been dreading get up at 7.30am tomorrow to prepare myself for the conference at 2pm, now I was looking forward to it especially the being waited on hand and foot part. Patty was in the kitchen making us all a big meal of mince'n'tatties. I had not eaten since we had our Power brunch so I was feeling rather peckish. After we had eaten Pop, Boabie and I discussed the scripts we would be using tomorrow. Patty was a darling she walked in the pouring rain to the local shop to buy us yummy biscuits, poor soul I did not even have a brolly she could use, then she served them to us with a big pot of coffee. Patty also washed the dishes, hoovered up, washed the floors, cleaned the bathrooms, did the laundry, ironed the clothes in the ironing basket (thank gawd I hate ironing) and then put all the clothes away. Poor Patty her face was very red looking and she was sweating. I gave her a little hug and said thank you, I really appreciate it. I always think it pays to show gratitude, only to people who do lots of things for me though. Well tonight Patty had earned the privileged of going into my useful people Diary. I put a little bronze star next to her name, she would have to do a whole lot more to get up to the Gold star level.

It was now 11pm. Patty and Pop had gone home. Boabie was still here. I had made a mistake, I asked him how he had made so many contacts. I thought that the constant yawning from me would give him a clue that I wanted him to go. Boy did he like to talk especially about himself. He told me he had started as a barrow boy at the market when he was 15, made his way up to owning a stall, then bought a Mobile shop and then added an Ice-cream van. I speak to all kinds of people when I am on my rounds on the Moby or the Ice-cream van, he said. He worked from 8.30am - 5.00pm on the Moby and then 5.15pm - 10.30pm on the Ice-cream van. He was hoping to add a Burger van to his Empire, when it was financially feasible. How are you going to take care of my PR when you have so many other commitments? I asked. Well, I have someone working on my market stall and he has a brother coming to stay with him for a few months, so I have offered him the position. Just as well I thought, or I would be looking for a new PR Spokesperson/Solicitor! I told Boabie I was concerned that Det Avery Goodbook implied that he thought I was responsible for the circumstances my laptop may or may not be in now. I also told him I found it irritating that the Det kept going on about my children being left in a unlocked house. Boabie told me not to worry. He had been looking on the Internet for information. He had remembered that a UK family had gone on holiday with friends and they had a similar checking system to the one the gang and I all had. Except in this case it was not a laptop that went missing it was a child, therefore I should not worry as those people were never prosecuted for leaving their children in those circumstances. He said, that just confirms that this is the British way and it is perfectly acceptable to leave children home unsupervised and if one goes missing nothing will be done about it. I felt a little better. Cos I was sorta worried that Social Services would maybe interfere. I told Boabie that I would contact Social Services and invite them for afternoon tea, they could see my lovely home and that would get that little matter out of the way. I also told him I would not bother making a claim on my house insurance as it was only the laptop that was missing and I did not want to lose my no claims bonus.

Well he eventually left. I set my alarm for 7.30am. Patty had left my clean running shorts and top on the chair in my bedroom. I washed then brushed my teeth and got ready for bed. I climbed into bed and was just ready to drift off when I remembered the most important thing I would need tomorrow. Mousie Mouse! I could not remember where I had put him. I started to panic, I could not attend the Press Conference without my mascot. Then thankfully I remembered I had put him in my bag when I was at the Police station because Goodbook looked at me as if I was stupid when I was holding Mousie Mouse for comfort when he was interviewing me. He said something that really angered me. When he was blah...blah..blah..ing, I asked him why he was asking so many questions. He said, Madam we ask as many questions and gather as much evidence because people usually lie. Well the barsteward I put him in my nasty people Diary for talking to me like that, I put a red Star next to his name. I took Mousie out of my bag and stuck two little eye stickers on him popped him into one of the pockets of my bag, his little eyes were peeping out, he looked really cute. I did not want to forget him tomorrow.


My witnesses for all the occassions that my laptop was used without my permission are:

Stu Pidder and his partner Ida Nyit.
Patty O'Furniture and her partner Pop Sickle.
Xavier Breath and his partner Sue Cherself.
Dolly Dimple and her partner Hyman Idiot.
And of course not forgetting my PR rep should I need one Boabie Puller.

Zodiac said...

'Oh just heard a trailer for Heartbeat tonight Aidensfields police are none to happy when 2 kids are left home alone (and that is set in the 70s) xxx'

I am surprised Clazz is not on the phone getting it banned!

dylan said...

Zodiac - keep 'em coming!

Hope4T, it's all a bit weird, TBH, but i'll try to keep the topic, off topic with him. You're right I suppose. If you know somebody you don't want to think evil of them. That's what I said about Murat and the fact that his ex wouldn't badmouth him but I also thought that could have if she felt it true.

I haven't heard from him in a few hours now and paranoia is starting but I know that he's with his children and he really does go all out to do good things with them when he has them. That's what I find puzzling because I know he'd never leave his twins and bugger off on the booze with his mates so why can't he see that when others do, it's just so wrong?

xx

Ecolab said...
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Ecolab said...

What to do with my e-mail?

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Date: Thursday, 31 July 2008 02:26:20 -0400
From: JD
To: Ecolab- ecolab@dr.main.nc.dk
Subject: WHAT A WAY TO GO!

In the other e-mail I mentioned Mickey Mouse, well after reading this I
guess my complaints are just Mickey Mouse. What a way to go!

A bad day

HAMILTON, NEW ZEALAND- Overzealous zookeeper Fred Riesfeldt fed his
constipated elephant, Stefan, 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a
bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged-up pachyderm finally
let fly - and suffocated the keeper under 200 pounds of poop!

Investigators say ill-fated Fred, 46, was attempting to give the
ailing elephant an olive-oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded on
him like a dump truck full of mud.

"The sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked
Mr. Riesfeldt to the ground, where he struck his head on a rock and lay
unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate his bowels on top of
him," said flabbergasted Hamilton police detective Erik Dern.

"With no one there to help him, he lay under all that dung for at least an
hour before a watchman came along, and during that time he suffocated. It
seems to be just one of those freak accidents that happen."

Best Regards

John

dylan said...

Ecolab,

Whenever I feel that life is getting on top of me, I'll remember your elephant post. ew!

xx

Di said...

Hi Dyl

Now keep calm and don't you dare go running after him.

One of my very good friends has lost several would be partners by coming on too strong, please don't make the same mistake.

Give him space, but then don't forget to put all our questions to him as and when :o))))))

Zodiac said...

ecolab,

OMG! Poor man.

Di said...

Hi Ecolab

What a story!!

Di said...

Zodiac

I see you are still on top form :o))))

hope4truth said...

DYL

I dont know many people now who belive what they say it is getting more and more that people think they are very strange people...

Your new "friend" knows them from another time and let's face it we are diffrent when we are at work we dont look into everyones private lives and see how they bring up their children...

There are a few people I know who have children who I like very much and we exchange a few words about our children but as they are people I see as part of what I do and I imagine they are really good parents and certainly very nice people so if they did the same (although I would condem the neglect) I would be thinking they could not possibly be lying about other things...

As long as he dosent turn out to be Mark55 or worse still RP you have nothing to worry about LOL...

Heartbeat is good the children are about 10 and 4 and the police are none to happy they have been left home alone as it is against the law xxx

Di said...

Hi Hope

I have missed you, how are you?

hope4truth said...

Hi Di

How are you???

I have been really busy lately have you been away or is it just me??? xxx

Di said...

Hi Hope

You and me both I think.

I have been really busy with workmen, they are back tomorrow morning :o(( but never mind we are getting there.

Must go now but will look back in tomorrow.

Take care

hope4truth said...

Di

Probebly missed you by now trying to catch a rabbit in the farden (one of ours not a random bunny)...

Good luck with your workmen speak to you soon xxx

dylan said...

Hi Hope,

Kitten has been sleeping on my keyboard. When I came through, he pawed something and now I can't get the blog site up again. Just managed to salvage this blogger window & can't recall what you said but Ihope you are well!

Di - lol! don't worry. I'm not about to chase him. I was just getting a tad concerned and I field all of your questions!! :0))

If I'm not back it's because bloody kitten from hell has scuppered my blogging! xx

dylan said...

Hope! lol! just worked out I could look back in this dialogue box. Doh!

Mark55! Now that would be a disaster made in hell! As far as I know though, he isn't a wanna be dentist ;)

xx

hope4truth said...

Hi Dyl

Thats the one LOL

Have you heard from him yet???

he is probebly looking at his phone thinking I cant call yet she will think I am a stalker..

I would dread going on a date again but it must be fun...

Are you going out again??? xxx

docmac said...

Hi all. I took an unexpected business trip over the last couple of days and have just got home. Bloody tired so will be back tomorrow or the day after. Jeez, those 48 questions are VERY interesting!

BT if you are about I have asked Viv to send me your mail address if you don't mind.

dylan said...

Hi,

I don't know what my bloody kitten's done but I've lost the tool bar and had to type in www.google etc and then JFM to get back to this site. Ryan and Laura come back Wed. I hope Ryan can sort this out for me as I can't seem to put it right.

Hope, I did get a text eventually. The whole thing is just so nerveracking. I don't know what to make of it all. Oh well, you win some you lose some & I'm just going to have to wait to see what transpires but i'm not going to text him back. Off now for the night and will try to log on tomorrow.

Goodnight & sleep well.

xx

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Does anyone other than yours truly think that the writers of tonight's episode of Heartbeat were tryng to make a point?

Zodiac said...

ICTOAN,

I do not watch that programme but I certainly do hope that they were trying to make a point. I remember when M disappeared that one of the stories in Corrie was supposed to be about abduction and it was changed.

hope4truth said...

ICTOAN

YES I DO...

Then maybe this has taken over my life LOL

But seriously I thought they were trying to make a point and lot's of people were watching it hope it made a lot of people think xxx

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Zodiac / Hope

I believe there are many people who find the fiction in drama more real than reality.

In the episode the house caught fire with the children locked inside.

hope4truth said...

ICTOAN

This is what get's me no one seems to think there was anything wrong with the neglect and the fact they dont want to help....

Karen Mathews is in prison (where she deserves to be) and yet Shannon was found alive?

Kate and Gerry are celebs and Madeleie is still missing with no evidence of an abduction?

SO is Madeleine not worth as much as Shannon???

The writers of Heartbeat made a valid point never leave kids alone anything can happend (like the fire tonight)...

xxx

Zodiac said...

Karen Mathews is in prison (where she deserves to be) and yet Shannon was found alive?

Kate and Gerry are celebs and Madeleie is still missing with no evidence of an abduction?

Hope,

And their two other children remain at home.

Where are the Matthew's kids?

Zodiac said...

Night all,

Read you tomorrow.

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

Exactly

LOve your soap opera BTW :o) xxx

Stonemaid said...

Hi ictoan

I too thought that the Heartbeat episode tonight brought with it a message about the McCanns!

Stonemaid

atardi said...

Hi everyone,

I'm back. What happened the last 3 weeks?

viv said...

Hiya everyone

I have just dealt with emails going back to 18 July. Dont want a pat on the back or anything just wanted to say sorry I have been so busy of late and it has taken such a long time to deal with them but they are all answered now:-)))

Viv xx

atardi said...

Hi Viv,

We had a great time in Italy. Have I missed important news about Madeleine?

viv said...

Hiya Atardi

I think the best revelations have been on Claudia's blog but I have been so busy with builders and decorators etc I have not been keeping up.

Good to hear you had a lovely break, I also went to stay with my friend in a beautiful part of the country and that was lovely. I am hoping for a proper holiday perhaps in October.

Viv xxxxx

bath theory said...

Hope the building is going well Viv

atardi said...

Hi Viv,

Have to read Cláudia's blog when I have time.

Glad to hear you had a break also.

As for the builders and decoraters, when will they finish?

Do you already know where you will go on holiday in october?

If you don't I can send you a link to where we have been. It's like a paradise.