8 Oct 2008

MCCANNS CONTRADICTORY ACCOUNTS RIGHT FROM THE OFF!

Sorry Rosie I am not in the seat here:-)))) I am having fun thinking of you scouring the country looking for this garden xxxxxxx Now dont get poisoning my fish, will you, Nanday likes them and so do me and my family!


Holidaymakers join Algarve hunt for missing three-year-old
Published by webmaster for 24dash.com in Communities Friday 4th May 2007 - 12:18pm

Holidaymakers and police were desperately searching today for a young British girl who went missing while on holiday in Portugal.
Three-year-old Madeleine McCann vanished from her parents' rented apartment in the Algarve last night as they dined nearby.
Tourists joined resort staff in a "frantic" all-night search for the little girl, who was described by a neighbour as "happy-go-lucky" and idolised by her "protective" parents, Gerry and Kate.
Today the manager at the Ocean Club - a holiday resort run by British travel firm Mark Warner in the south west seaside village of Praia Da Luz - said the couple, both doctors from Leicester, were "distraught".
John Hill said: "It was a very emotional and very frantic night and everyone did a fantastic job of getting involved and trying to search the area.
"As you can imagine, Madeleine's parents are distraught and not doing very well at all."
Around 60 staff and guests at the purpose-built complex searched until 4.30am while police notified border police, Spanish police and airports.
Sniffer dogs were brought in by Portuguese detectives to comb the area but as the hours went by, hopes that Madeleine merely wandered off were fading.
A spokesman for the Policia Judiciaria - the Portuguese CID - said they would not comment on the investigation.
British consul in Portugal Bill Henderson was with the couple and their twins, a boy and a girl, and Mark Warner said it was flying out counsellors to help them through the ordeal.
Mr Hill said that despite the report by a family friend that the shutters to the couple's apartment were broken, there was no sign that anyone had forced their way in while the McCanns ate at the tapas restaurant 200 yards away.
He said: "We are hoping that Madeleine is found as soon as possible and safe and well. Everybody here is just wishing that she is found as soon as possible."
But family friend Jill Renwick told GMTV the McCanns were certain that Madeleine has been abducted.
"They were just watching the hotel room and going back every half-hour and the shutters had been broken open and they had gone into the room and taken Madeleine," she said.
"They went out about eight, went back in at nine, they were fine, went back in at 10 and she was gone."
She described the missing girl as a "very pretty, very blonde three-year-old".
Ms Renwick said of the holiday: "This is the first time they have done this. They are very, very anxious parents and very careful and they chose Mark Warner because it is a family-friendly resort." A place where parents like Kate and Gerry can dump the kids night and day!
A Mark Warner spokesman said looking after the McCanns was their "first priority", along with finding their daughter, and added that if necessary it would fly other family members out to the Ocean Club, which it has run for two years.
He said: "Our staff are looking after them at the moment in whatever way they can but we can only imagine how awful it is for them.
"We are all hoping that she is asleep under a bush somewhere and we will find her soon."
He said the apartment the family were staying in was surrounded by other apartments, all of which have "quite sophisticated" locks on the doors.
Guests are being asked if they saw anyone acting suspiciously in the area, he said, adding that Mark Warner has never had cases of missing or abducted children before.
"We are hoping it's not that, though," he said. "It's the last thing we want but we have to investigate all avenues."
He said Mark Warner offers families a baby-sitting service where they can drop off their children for the night.
"Those facilities were available but, for whatever reason, they were not being used
," he said.
Today neighbours near the family home in Rothley, Leicestershire, to which they are thought to have moved from Queniborough last summer, said they were "devastated" by the news.
Neighbour Penny Noble said she believed Madeleine was due to start at school in September.
She said: "They are a really nice family and good neighbours.
"They are delightful. We see them take their bikes up and down and going for walks.
"Madeleine is a very happy-go-lucky little girl."
Neighbour Tracey Horsfield, a nurse, said: "They seem a really lovely family, protective of their children.
"I see them going up and down the crescent. They are a protective family who idolise their kids.
"I am hoping and praying that she has not been abducted and that she has wandered off. They would not let her out of their sight."
And colleagues of Dr McCann, who is a consultant cardiologist at Glenfield Hospital in Leicester, said they were still hoping for the best.
Doug Skehan, also a consultant cardiologist at the hospital, said: "Gerry is a popular, hardworking colleague for whom we have great affection.
"The mood in the hospital is one of great concern and we hope that Kate and Gerry will have their daughter back very soon."
The girl's grandfather, Brian Healy, said the family were "worried sick".
Speaking at the door of the family home in Mossley Hill, Liverpool, he said: "We're worried sick, as you can imagine. It's a very distressing time."
A family friend added that they would be travelling to Portugal on the next available flight.
Speaking to the BBC later, Ms Renwick said the McCanns, holidaying with three other British families, had felt let down by police in Portugal.
"I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own.
"They just don't know where to turn."
But resort manager Mr Hill said this was not true, and that police had been searching with dogs overnight and continued to search today.
He said: "The police have their dogs in and have been conducting sweeps of the beach and rocky areas very close to the village.
"There is a criminal investigator here in charge of the situation and around 20 officers but unfortunately there is still no information.
"If I was in the McCanns' situation, I would be frustrated as hell if there were 100 police here - I would still be frustrated and want more.
"I can't put myself in their position but the police were here with their dogs through the night."
He said detectives had not found a forced entry into the apartment but said the shutters had been slid up and the bedroom window opened since the McCanns left.
As to whether the police were now looking at an abduction, he said: "We just can't speculate at this stage. I hope not."

He said the couple and their twins, who are two years old, were being comforted by friends.
"The mood is not as frantic as it was last night but there is a big police presence and we just have to keep searching," he said.
Mr Healy and his wife, Susan, were driven away from the house in Liverpool shortly after 12.30pm.
Bags were packed in the car and a relative said they were heading to Portugal.
Mr Healy's sister, who gave her name as Nora, said earlier: "They don't feel they are getting much help from the Portuguese authorities. It's a terrible time."
A Foreign Office spokesman said the Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca) in the UK was liaising with Leicestershire Police and other constabularies while a Foreign Office Soca liaison was also in contact with the Portuguese chief of police. BIG GUNS FROM BRITISH POLICE SENT IMMEDIATELY, SURE THEY BELIEVED KATE AND GERRY MCCANN!! SURE THE PORTUGUESE POLICE ALONE COCKED THIS INVESTIGATION UP, HOW SO!
He added that two officials from the British Consulate in Portimao were with the family, assisting them as they deal with the Portuguese police.
Copyright Press Association 2007
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viv said...

Around 60 staff and guests at the purpose-built complex searched until 4.30am while police notified border police, Spanish police and airports.

but what were Kate and Gerry McCann doing, phoning home, phoning media experts, phoning the press etc oh and ripping up Madeleine's book to work out the night's "itenary" and "system of checks@@@@" with the rest of their "friends" who continue to lie for them. Well Jane, Russell, Rachel, David etc, you have your consciences to live with, I hope Madeleine's dear little face will always haunt you, every night, it is what you deserve!

Niki said...

Good morning Viv and all:)

Thank you for the "reminder".

Except from the T9 consciences, that hopefully will crack sooner or later, I wonder what the groups other children will tell in a few years!

Incredible that a missing girls parents did not wake up all the other children, looking through all the other appartments, asking all the other holidaymakers : "HAVE YOU SEEN MY CHILD?" I guess it was not soo easy to have consealed the body of your dead child, and THINK, PLAN and ACT in ALL ways like a genuine missing- child- situation....

ratonthebeam said...

Here's a local case from 9 years ago where a missing child really was abducted and murdered by a paedophile. The family lived just a few blocks away from us, where we lived then. The dad was out from dawn till dusk searching. The mum was frantic. We helped with the search party, looking in the overgrown weeds on the railway line. The wee boy was later found under some rose bushes in a lane at the back of the University.

The parents have never been right since. No question at all of "getting back to normal". That's how I know the McScums are full of sh*t.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/83265.stm

dylan said...

Good morning all & hi Niki!

Thanks for the new thread, Viv. I don't see how they could say the police did nothing when, clearly, it was the McScams who did nothing other than to make contact with ineffectual people and institutions.

Rat, thanks for the link. I remember my first post here was about the time I "lost" R & L. They were around 5 and 4 respectively at the time. I was with a freind and her children at a "Charley Chalk" fun factory. It was based in a large Inn, next to a main road and the fun factory part lead directly onto an outdoor play area. The play area and the fun factory could be seen through the glass of the eating area and the play area had a large wrought iron gate which was shut when I checked.

R & L and my friend's kids were having a lovely time and we were just having a chat and a coffee after we had all eaten whenI realised I couldn't see R & L anywhere.

I don't remember ever having panicked that much in my life. The first thing I checked was the outdoor play area as they couldn't have got through the pub eating area without us noticing as they would have had to come past us. I was running around like a headless chicken asking startled diners and staff if they had seen them. In fact I think I was screaming! I checked the loos and the road outside which was my main concern and then the garden area again. It was then I noticed that the large iron gate was open and I found them both wandering around the orchard at the rear of the building, perfectly oblivious to the panic that had unfolded!!

I would have searched indefinitely as stopping was not an option and I therefore cannot accept that the McCanns really thought their daughter had been abducted. They'd have been out there searching frantically too. What I learnt from that experience was to never take for granted the safety of a place that is set up for children and always check for yourself. To this day, I still don't understand how R opened that gate but it just goes to show you can never underestimate the ability and ingenuity of a small child!

Have a good day all.

xx

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Viv thanks for the reminder of some of the McCrapolaganda!

'Around 60 staff and guests at the purpose-built complex searched until 4.30am while police notified border police, Spanish police and airports.'

The mother of the child she claims is missing said at the EU that if there had been an Ambert Alert type system in place there would have been more help from the public!

Claudia,

LOL!

'Dear Bum, I'll try to explain something to you. I'm single and will always be single, at least in the legal sense, because I don't believe in the institution of marriage. As simple as that. I was also not born to be a housewife, waiting for her man to come home, cook for him and become an ugly, bitter, frustrated old woman who obviously doesn't remember anymore what fun and pleasure is. Being in love is a fantastic thing. Being co-dependent is embarassing.
Now go and have what you clearly haven't had for many years. Go and have a great amount of f... FUN!'

dylan said...

Hi Zodiac!

How are you? Where did Claudia write that? I hadn't seen it but it's very funny! Good for Claudia :-)

What a good observation you make about the amber alert. Everytime they open their mouths to say anything they stick their foot in it!!

Off out for the morning now. Catch you later, hopefully. Hope the elephants are receiving the care that your Jimmy Choo's deserve ;-)

xx

Zodiac said...

Hi Dylan,

Are you saying my feet are like elephants? Thats it I am off to look for Farter McParps number cos am gonnae soo.

Cláudia said...

Wishing you all a great afternoon!
xxxx

viv said...

Hiya All

Niki it must have been a fraught time for Kate and Gerry as they sat holed up with the Paynes whilst Police searched with sniffer dogs and many other residents searched until 4.30 a.m. It is awful to think that even as they were doing this the McCanns were contacting people like Norah Paul in Canada starting to tell the lie, no one was looking for Madeleine, they have persisted in that lie ever since. The only people who have not been looking for her are them, just like on that first night!

I wonder how different the result may have been if Eddie had been there? I did post an article some time back showing the GNR in Portugal had now trained their own dog to find cadaver odour etc. One can understand why they felt the need for this!

I keep thinking of that report of a man returning home from work about 6 am and seeing a couple with a child slither up a dark lane as his headlights flashed. I do not think Madeleine was very far away at that stage, but she was lifeless..The McCanns I believe actually say they did go out around this time, why did they wait until everyone else had given up for the night? Waiting until the coast was clear and Kate demanding a Priest? How can they actually fool anyone about what took place here?

ROB

Your report in fact confirms the serious concerns we should have about people who get into very high ranks in government departments but who are totally unsuited to the job. We have Chief Constables who are too busy up a lane with their extra marital and Chief Constables who have so many lady friends they ultimately decide to go and get drunk and die from exposure. The list is endless of such bizarre behaviour. I would add to that list the Chief Officer who was in charge of the Probation Service where I worked and her equally ignorant and nasty Assistant Chief. People who are actually crap at the job, but love money power and control. We should start looking much more closely at those people who crave promotion, maybe getting them psycologically assessed to see if they really are fit to manage!

No one can deny the reactions of Kate and Gerry McCann are bizarre and totally unintelligible to normal parents.

viv said...

Zodiac/Dillan

Perhaps we should look for the hidden meaning in Kate's word when she angrily declared more people should have been looking for Madeleine, Amber Alert would have made it so.

I think she rues the fact that British and Portuguese Police quite properly named them as suspects. This had the effect of stopping them from amassing a small fortune worldwide so that they could do their own style of "looking" with the Find Maddie Fiddle. I am sure they are both upset this source of free cash including from wealthy celebrities got knocked on the head when people were put straight by what really took place.

Well done Goncalo Amaral and others for letting the World know the truth, there simply was no abduction, as normal one needed to look much closer to home. We have done and we know what we see, a couple Fund Raising, flying around on private jets, leaving their remaining children, jogging, sunbathing, letting off balloons and laughing.

Yes, they really do make me sick!

Viv x

viv said...

Yet more contradictory lies they had put in the Liverpool Daily Post as they struggled to defend themselves, this time claiming Kate was never alone with Madeleine! Well now we see her own witness statement where very clearly she was! This only serves to make it more likely IMO all the efforts were to exculpate Kate which more clearly points to her own guilt in this matter. Why would you think it was OK to go and leave three tiny tots to go and shower? Because you had drugged them up so that you could have an uninterrupted night's jollies with your friends "that we were so into". Kate clearly stated if it had not have been for those friends she would not have left her children, we are sick of th lies and excuses Kate, you did leave them, every single chance you got, apart from when forced to care for them in the lunch break when the creche insisted you did, you know, act like a mother and play with your own children on THEIR holiday. But she forgot it was for the children, it was all about her needs..

Kate McCann 'never alone' with Madeleine the day she disappeared
Sep 21 2007

The most detailed account yet of Gerry and Kate McCann’s movements in the crucial hours before their daughter Madeleine’s disappearance emerged today.

A source close to the family said the couple, who have been declared suspects by police, could prove where they and Madeleine were throughout the afternoon of May 3.

The account follows claims that there is a “missing six hours” which detectives believed could be key to the case.

Madeleine disappeared from her parents’ rented apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve while her parents were dining at a tapas restaurant opposite that night.

Her disappearance sparked a worldwide missing person hunt and the most high-profile campaign of its kind ever seen.

But in recent weeks the spotlight has turned on Madeleine’s parents after DNA tests taken as suggesting her body may have been transported in the car the family hired almost a month later.

The last photograph of Madeleine was taken by Kate McCann at exactly 2.29pm on May 3, sitting laughing in the sunshine dabbling her feet in the pool at the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz with her father by her side.

The digital time reading on the photograph shows 1.29pm but it is understood the camera clock was exactly an hour out and had not been reset.

The McCanns joined friends for dinner at around 8.20pm that evening after putting Madeleine, four, and her younger twin siblings Sean and Amelie to bed.

The source told for the first time today how the couple account for the intervening six hours adding that witnesses could prove that Liverpool-born Kate McCann was never alone with Madeleine that afternoon.

But the account differs from that of staff at a local beach front restaurant who claim CCTV shows the family were there until around 6pm, feeding the children before they put them to bed.

In the days after the abduction, with the McCanns’ faces constantly on television, a member of staff at the Paraiso restaurant claimed to have remembered seeing the McCanns there early on the evening of May 3.

A source at the restaurant said they had called in detectives from the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) to look at the footage which he said showed Gerry McCann dancing with Madeleine next to swings and a slide below the terrace.

He said they say had watched the footage together with the police to check that it was the McCanns before the detectives took it away.

He insisted that it was them but admitted the footage was grainy.

The couple are understood to have told police that Madeleine spent much of that afternoon at a kids’ club in the resort while her parents relaxed, Gerry playing tennis with the resort’s professional coach while Kate stayed by the pool.

The source said that Madeleine had eaten at the kids’ club, rather than being taken to the Paraiso. She was then picked up by her parents two and a half hours before the couple went for dinner, leaving Madeleine and her siblings Sean and Amelie in bed.

The last time the couple say they saw Madeleine was when Gerry McCann went back to check on her shortly after 9pm that night.

He now believes her abductor could have been hiding in the apartment, yards away from him, while he did so.

The source said today: “Madeleine went to kids’ club in the afternoon, after the photograph was taken at the swimming pool.

“There are records for that, written records, and witnesses.

“Madeleine was there while Kate and Gerry played tennis with the tennis professional and other witnesses.

“Madeleine had high tea at 5.30pm with staff at the kids’ club. She was picked up shortly before 6pm by Kate and Gerry.

“After that Kate and Gerry went home, got the kids ready for bed and got ready to go out for their meal.

“Kate was never alone with Madeleine that afternoon. There were always other witnesses present.”

Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, strenuously deny any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.

They remain “arguidos” or official suspects despite a recent announcement by the lead prosecutor in the case that there was insufficient evidence to justify calling them in for further interviews.

Zodiac said...

'Yes, they really do make me sick!'

Viv,

Me too.

What parent/s of an abducted child would leave their other child/ren and travel to another country? What parent/s would leave their other child/ren out of their sight after such a tragedy? IMO parents that cannot be bothered being parents. They and their extended family disgust me. I feel sorry for M having parents like that. No excuses are acceptable as far as I am concerned, child welfare always come first. I feel sorry for M's siblings and the future they have ahead of them. Normal, where does normality fit into a family life when if as they claim one of the family has been abducted. I did not believe their BS on the 4/5/07 never have, never will and will trust my own instincts regarding this case based upon the parents imo, disgusting behaviour.

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

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Here's the web site! Pass it along to people you know.

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AGAIN , PLEASE TELL 10 FRIENDS TO TELL 10

I sent this e-mail to friends today and thought I would post it here also.

Thanks to all who click.

Love Lia.

Zodiac said...

Got this link from 3 A's by DrachenSachen
http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page16906

Interviewer:

It certainly was a story that dominated our coverage and the newspapers, you will have been aware of that. But you seemed at one point quite early on to take a personal interest and actually spoke to Mr and Mrs McCann, perhaps on more than one occasion. I just wondered what it was particularly about the disappearance of Madeleine that sort of captivated you.

Prime Minister:

I think every father and mother in the country felt for the McCanns and such a thing to happen to any family would be awful, and for them to have to go through this was something that I felt very sorry about and I wanted to convince them that we were doing everything in our power, given that we were not the investigators, given that we were not the policy authorities, to help them through this difficult time. And I talked initially to the relatives of the McCanns and then I talked to Mr McCann himself, and I tried to reassure him that we were doing everything in our power.

Interviewer:

Did you know them, was it the Scottish connection?

Prime Minister:

I hadn’t known them before but I knew people who did know them and they came obviously to me through those people. But I think every parent, it is their worst nightmare, it is what you dread.

Interviewer:

Gerry McCann said recently I think that if Madeleine had disappeared in Britain, he felt the family would know the answer about what had happened to her. Now the British police aren’t always wonderful but it struck me on a number of visits out there that if she had disappeared in a tsunami or an earthquake, Britain would send all its experts to help out. Why can’t we on those occasions, like her disappearance, send our top detectives, who did offer to go. What are the protocols that stop it happening?

Prime Minister:

Well you may know I talked to the Portuguese Prime Minister about this and we offered expert people from Britain. Some of the offers were actually taken up, but not …

Interviewer:

… the child disappearing.

Prime Minister:

Because at the end of the day it was a police investigation of the Portuguese authorities. But I know the Prime Minister of Portugal well and he was concerned to assure us that everything possible was being done. Look, you can speculate about what might have happened in different authorities and where there are different borders and we just do not know yet what actually happened, but what I do know is that the sympathies of the people of Britain are with a family who undergoes something that you hope never happens to your family.


Mmmmmm! Can anyone remember if Gordon Brown phoned the Matthews family when Shannon disappeared? Or did he not consider her disappearance as a nightmare. incident.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Latest From Our Local (Rag)

Mother arrested over boys' deaths
3:29pm Wednesday 8th October 2008
By Ben Parsons »


The mother of two young boys found dead after a house fire on Saturday has been arrested by police investigating their deaths.

Denise Goldsmith, 29, was arrested this afternoon on suspicion of manslaughter and child neglect.

Lewis and Taylor Jenkins, aged seven and five, were found dead in each other's arms at their home in Milfoil Drive, Eastbourne, on Saturday.

A spokeswoman for Sussex Police said: "The cause of the fire which led to the deaths of Lewis and Taylor Jenkins is part of an ongoing investigation of this tragic incident, but at this stage it is not being treated as arson."


This is the source but I have reproduced the whole article.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/
3739855.Mother_arrested_over_boys
__deaths/

hope4truth said...

How dare the local plod arrest this poor mother her sons are dead have they no thought for how she feels?

Maybe someone will start a fund for her defence???

No? Did not think so...

Those poor little boy's dead in each others arms they must have been terified.

If their Mother did NEGLECT them and has anything to do with their death I hope for her sake she comes clean and admits what she has done..

Inocent until proven guilty but it is amazing how no one is jumping up and down about her rights isnt it I wonder if the PM has called to offer his help???

nancy said...

Hi Viv and everyone! I hope you are all well!

It's nice to be back on the blog and I will try to read back as far as possible but it will take a while to read them all! Some really good threads and posts though, even though it seems that time has stood still for justice for Madeleine as nothing much seems to have happened since I last signed off!!

Things have gone very quiet since Mr Pink decided to quit or was he pushed! The newspapers have been deafeningly silent too!

I read the latest on the McCann Files that Amarel Goncalo talks of political interference, which I find difficult to dispute! they seem to be untouchable along with their tapas pals!

Be back when I've read a few more back posts!

Nx

docmac said...

ICTOAN

Very sad. By the by, did you note that the Royal Alex has virtually admitted that what I said about the death of Indya was right? They won't put it in the exact words I used of course, but I can read between the lines.

Wonder how a simple cleaner could have spotted the doctors' lies immediately? What will Rosie and pals say? Lucky guess?

docmac said...
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docmac said...

Hi Nancy!

I see your boat floated :-)
Glad you are back safely.

Cláudia said...

Hi, everybody.
Just got home from work.

ICTOAn, that article reminds me of a case which happened in Portugal. Two children (I think they were between 5 and 10) were left home alone and locked by their father and mother who went to the café. the kids somehow accidentally set the house on fire and because they were locked, they both died. The parents were charged, went to trial and did jail time. But they were Portuguese, poor and never spoke with a politician on the phone.

Di said...

Hi all

Nancy good to see you back.

This is interesting on 3A's posted by jjp 3rd page.

link

Cláudia said...

Di, very, very interesting...

Di said...

The Payne's do not wish to attend!!!

If my child was missing and my best friends refused to attend a reconstruction, I would personally drag you both back to Portugal.

Great consideration! now I wonder what could have stopped you from going. Being made ARGUIDOS perhaps!! Also many lies in your statements IMO.

Di said...

Claudia

When I saw this it really annoyed me, why were they not forced to return to Portugal.

docmac said...

Di

I think the exact opposite to you.

"We have a pact".

Di said...

Just to let you know, Laffin Assasin has had his photobucket account closed for posting articles from the DVD.

Remember these articles are the facts of what happened to Madeleine in Portugal.

WHO? is trying to cover the facts up, well, I think we all know don't we.

Di said...

Doc
?

docmac said...

Di

The Tapas lot have a pact. As far as I remember, the quote is attributed to DP himself. I'm not surprised that the McCanns did not drag them to Portugal, as Gerry was the author of said pact.

Di said...

Doc Oopps

The lightbulb has just switched on :o) Credit crunch you know!

Cláudia said...

Di, if I did not live in Portugal, many 'things' would be all over the internet.

Di said...

Doc

Just saw your reply, I remember the pact.

docmac said...

LOL DI

"We have a Pact of Silence. This is our matter"

Dr David Payne.

Di said...

Claudia

I respect your silence.

Cláudia said...

Di, it's not a question of silence, darling. It's a question of geography! :-)

Cláudia said...

Hi, Doc.
E-mailing you and Viv soon.

Di said...

Claudia

I understand :o)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Doc

Yes I remember you commenting on the Royal Alex. I had intended to post it when I knew you were on stream but you got there before me.

It's apparent that hospital cleaners in SA have to reach a very high standard of medical knowledge before they are employed.

docmac said...

ICTOAN

Could you write to the HBCASA (Hospital Bog Cleaners Association of SA) and recommend me for a small raise?

Off topic, but good lord!!

Claudia, I see the e-mail is here. I just have to go off to the shop for a short while and will reply when I return.

Di said...

Hi ICTOAN

Off now see you all tomorrow.

Enjoy your evening.

Cláudia said...

Ok, Doc.

Di, read you tomorrow. Boa noite.

bath theory said...

JFM

docmac said...

Hi Claudia

I'm back, briefly. Those e-mails are interesting yet confusing.

Sleep well to those that have already left for the evening.

Cláudia said...

Doc, why confusing?
May take a while to come back here due to the "heavy reading".

docmac said...

Hi BT

You're a much busier man now as I understand it. Wish your beautiful wife well from me for her Masters. And do NOT get take-outs for you and the kids ;-)

docmac said...

Claudia

Surely you jest ;-)
Read, read, read, read. And e-mail me when you find something.

I gritted my teeth and read the pink forum this evening. Not much happening there, but bossman has NO idea about how the dogs work, yet is demanding that something be done. What a surprise.

Note to 'Shingle'. There was more than one cuddlecat.

Cláudia said...

Doc, have no idea what you're talking about re the pink sewer.

Yes, e-mail. What a great thing. :-)

docmac said...

mark55 said...

Blah blah blah Gonc etc

I think that any policeman who would beat a confession out of someone to gain a prosecution would have no qualms about planting some cadaver scent in order to do the same .

Just two little points here from me.

1. As I understand it, confessions obtained whilst being interrogated are not admissable in Portuguese courts.
2. Eddie was not trained on bottled cadaver scent.


By the way , all the posts I made recently re my education and family are 100% correct. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that no one on the vile blog believes .

LOL! But all of 'them' have always believed you. And you're not even 'family'.

Notdoc, could you do me a favour and check my post for spelling and punctuation. I can't be bothered.

Sorry, I'm busy..

08 October 2008 20:38

viv said...

Zodiac, thanks for posting this on my blog to help the fight against breast cancer and I hope everyone has been and clicked it really is that simple!

The Breast Cancer site is having trouble getting enough people to click on their site daily to meet their quota of donating at least one free mammogram a day to an underprivileged woman.
It takes less than a minute to go to their site and click on 'donating a mammogram' for free (pink window in the middle).

This doesn't cost you a thing. Their corporate sponsors/advertisers use the number of daily visits to donate mammogram in exchange for advertising.

Here's the web site! Pass it along to people you know.

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
AGAIN , PLEASE TELL 10 FRIENDS TO TELL 10

I sent this e-mail to friends today and thought I would post it here also.

Thanks to all who click.

Love Lia.

Nancy

Great to see you back again, I think the only news that seems to be filtering through at the moment is that the McCanns are threatening people telling them to stop writing about information from the DVD.

The picture Ludicrous built up several months ago is clear in my head. Let's get the public all on side so when the case is hopefully dropped through insufficient evidence we can all cash in, big time. I am pleased that their sickening plans came to nought and Ludicrous just had to cast about and cash off. What happened to his job with the DG man then? Let's face it Clarence, in terms of shutting the public up you were a hopeless failure, you done far more to keep them blogging about the guilt of Kate and Gerry McCann. Your threats fell on deaf ears and your ridiculous attempts to pose as a serious police officer or whatever with a photofit of Mr Big Teeth with a clear hint of Kate was the biggest joke.

But the death of a lovely little girl and getting justice for her is not a joke and we will not forget your part in all of this!

BT HI TO YOU ALSO JFM AND GOOD LUCK TO YOUR WIFE!

viv said...

Doc, I know that you are oorrect, the only way a Portuguese Court will accept a confession in in the face of the Court. Not that I would expect these people to understand.

They seem to equate any possible trial of Goncalo and his men with an automatic acquittal of Cipriano, I just do not know what gives them that idea. They are two discrete issues and there has been no appeal lodged by Cipriano!

x

Cláudia said...

Viv, oh yeah, there have been appeals by the Ciprianos. They just ran out of appeals. They were convicted by three different courts. No more appeals possible under Portuguese law.

docmac said...

Viv (and Zodiac)

I did not click on that site, sorry. I don't feel any compunction to click DAILY (which is a requirement here) on a site that richly rewards advertisers who then (allegedly) pass on a microscopic percentage of the money earned to whatever cause.

I'm wise to these scams and I do not trust this one. Sorry again.

viv said...

Claudia,


thanks for your very interesting mails which I have just answered.

Viv xxx

Cláudia said...

Viv and Doc, replied.

viv said...

Hiya darling


that was what I meant there is no current appeal filed by Cipriano and I am very glad to hear that is not possible. They were both convicted on a lot of very credible evidence, and there is no allegation that her brother's confessions was beaten out of him! This woman clearly does not like the idea of 16 years jail, and does not care what she has to do to discredit those who put her there, well tough!

Decent people love the Police, criminals, well they hate them..McCanns v Chief Constable of Leicester Police, it is not just the Portuguese they do not like, is it! Oh and PC Grime, I would not put Kate McCann in a room with that poor man, unless he had Eddie and Keela to protect him!


xxx

viv said...

That little top of Madeleine's that Eddie hurled into the air, it was a day top. This suggests to me that after her death, she was changed, into her pyjamas, no doubt just in case the Police did find her that night! Their relatives even mentioned that sometimes the children were sedated or even more bizarre started to put out the story, as did Gerry McCann, he feared those nasty predators gave them something. I call that covering his back. Either they were fearful of FSS finding evidence of sedative medication in hair samples etc or they were fearful Maddie would indeed be found.

x

docmac said...

Viv

Mr Grime knows exactly what Eddie was telling him. He's just not permitted to speak out.

viv said...

Doc,

Mark seems very worried about the evidence of death provided by Eddie and Keela. Now I wonder what is he so worried about?

docmac said...

He does go on some, doesn't he? ;-))

viv said...

True Doc, any British Police officer who speaks out can kiss goodbye to the end of his career and sometimes much worse than that.

PC Grime said what he was permitted to say on the video Eddie has given a positive indication of what he is trained to find. Enough said Pc Grime!

God Bless sweet Madeleine!

viv said...

Well yes, this so called friend of Gerry McCanns does go on a bit. I wonder, why does he not go on about all the evidence there is in the files PROVING THAT MADELEINE WAS ABDUCTED. I mean, as Clarence said they just needed those files for their ahem, private investigators, so come on Mark do please tell us about all this evidence and who these private investigators are and exactly what they have found?

We will listen very patiently and you need not bother to spell check your posts firsts, although it was appreciated!

x

docmac said...

Bark is in charge of the DNA and DOG portfolios, Viv. He doesn't do the rest.

viv said...

Well Doc that is curious because I have met quite a few people from a scientific background and he just does not fit the bill. They usually seem to be rather clever too. One bloke I got friendly with, I was helping him a bit with his law degree (he already had a PHD etc/ lecturer in computing and science) but then he got a first! Smart arse:-)))

viv said...

Doc, by the way, did you not realise Mark also does law.

Why yes, do not shout at me in mock surprise, he makes legal rulings on the admissibility of criminal evidence no less. Silly bugger I am, I always thought the Crown Court Judge did that, but hey you live and learn!

xxxxxxxxx

dylan said...

"Lewis and Taylor Jenkins, aged seven and five, were found dead in each other's arms at their home in Milfoil Drive, Eastbourne, on Saturday."

Just so unbelievably sad. Reminds me of the book "The mill on the floss" which always made me cry and I can hardly bear to know what they went through together. At least they had each other til the end. Goodnight. xx

docmac said...

Mum21 said...

docmac said...
Viv (and Zodiac)

I did not click on that site, sorry. I don't feel any compunction to click DAILY (which is a requirement here) on a site that richly rewards advertisers who then (allegedly) pass on a microscopic percentage of the money earned to whatever cause.

I'm wise to these scams and I do not trust this one. Sorry again.

Wednesday, 8 October 2008 22:26:00 o'clock BST

You damn tight ar-se git docmac.
It was free and cost you nothing.
In the treatment of cancer...any percentage helps.

Zodiac, we may not like each other...but when it comes to helping people get treatment for cancer....personal issues are forgotten.
I clicked the link.

08 October 2008 23:03

Oh, I'm tight, even though it's free? No, it's because it's a scam. Shame people always get taken in. If anyone ever gets a e-mail asking them to send it to 10 people etc etc etc it's a scam. Get it? Better people than you were sucked in, smutsurfer.

docmac said...

Yeah, Viv.

Left out the law part :-))

Hi and bye Dyl. Am getting pretty tired here too.

viv said...

Hiya Dillie

I was not deliberately trying to ignore that story it is just that it also made me cry. How desperately sad, I thought back to how gorgeous my own boys were at that age. I do not know how this mom could carry on now!

Viv x

docmac said...

And btw Bum, don't forget to click DAILY. After 3 years some advertiser may consider offering some dead woman in Borneo a mammogram. And that's just from YOUR clicks.

viv said...

Hiya Doc,

Surely a scam means that you are parting with money under false pretences? A bit like giving to Kate and Gerry's Find Maddie Fiddle, when they were desperately hoping no one could ever find her

"FIND THE BODY AND PROVE WE KILLED HER".

Here the advertisers are getting free air time on the Cancer Research site and they are paying for it by how many clicks people make. You cannot be scammed or conned out of anything. Charities have to think up imaginative and clever ways to raise cash for what is genuinely a very worthy cause and this they are doing. Please think again!

Viv x

viv said...

PS Kate and Gerry McCann's Find Maddie Fiddle could have been registered as a charity if it has genuine charitable causes. As it did not it was set up as their private limited company - The Find Maddie Fiddle, objects to help Kate and Gerry McCann!

docmac said...

No Viv

This is a pure money-making newer generation scam. Costs you nowt, but makes some very rich indeed. And VERY few others benefit in any, let me assure you. There have been a number of these schemes over the years.

docmac said...

Checked it out now. It takes 45000 clicks to provide one mammogram. And only to women in America!

They get 58000 clicks a day. That's under 500 mammos a year. In AMERICA. And how much did advertisers and website owners make off over 20 MILLION clicks in the same period?

Come on, there are thousands of charities, NPOs, NGOs etc that provide FAR more free mammos than that. Including in places where they are REALLY needed. And nobody makes any money out of it.

Scam, sorry. Capitalism at it's worst.

docmac said...

And BTW

Bum needs to click EVERY day for the NEXT 123 years to provide just ONE mammo free. My guess of 3 years was way, way out.

She'll be almost as old as Moses by then.

viv said...

Doc, the advertisers are paying for mammograms due the free advertising they are getting on that site. If they did not spend the money on mammograms they would actually be spending it paying for advertising to less worthy causes. I still cannot see what your problem is here, charities rely on business for support and charities benefit real people.

Maybe we will just have to agree to disagree:-)))

Or should I do a Rosie and send you an email warning you to agree with me otherwise I bar you, maybe not:-))))I call that downright false and undemocratic, what would be the point of a blog if everyone already agreed, oh I know it would be a scam!


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

dylan said...

Alas, still awake but thanks, Doc.

I've gone from 930 bedtime to not being able to sleep and it's now nearly the witching hour!!

I found this on you tube:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpJjsHgYHA

It's a tune I remember from the early 90s but it's very moving. It's about a person's life, in reverse and is a stark reminder about those children who will not get to the point where it begins (ie. where if finishes). Have a watch and I challenge you not to be moved ;-)

Night again xx

docmac said...

Viv

No advertising on the web is free ;-). They are themselves getting clicks and making tons of cash. 75000 dollars a year is very small change for these people. Especially as it is shared between so many advertisers. It would cost EACH of them that much for a once-off half page ad in the NYT. Once.

Agree to disagree then.

Cláudia said...

Well, I clicked. Of course that I can't say I'll click everyday because that wouldn't be true. And I did forward the link.

My dear friends, I'm going to bed. Quite tired. Too many letters today. At work and afterwords. :-)

Muitos beijinhos. Durmam bem.

viv said...

Dillie

Concentrating on very sad things just before bed does not help sleep.

Just think about your own lovely children and I am sure you will be OK.

Claudia thanks for clicking and I hope you sleep well!

Goodnight to you all, Nanday is having a nice climb all over me/ his head rubbed and I have to go get Luke in a minute:-))
viv x

dylan said...

Hi Viv!

It's not sad, honestly. It's about the landmarks of a man's life and it's lovely. If anything is sad about it, it is that it's a reminder of how short life is but also how wonderful it is too. you might remember it if you watch it. I thought it relevant because I don't think Madeleine will ever get to experience those joys :-)

I'm fine but just can't sleep. It happens once in a while. xx

docmac said...

Hi Dyl

Well I have not watched it yet. Hope you get some good rest later. I'm going to test my mattress now :-)

x

dylan said...

Doc,
Hope testing leads to ZZZzzzzz

docmac said...

I don't actually ZZZzzzzz that loudly. Apparently. Can't vouch for it myself LOL!

Night, Dyl. Sleep tight later.

dylan said...

Nite Doc. No worries, no snoring heard from here yet but we have experienced tremors in the past. Perhaps the epicentre was in CT;-)

Nite Viv too. Two lines I love from the above: "Don't be afraid to be weak, don't be too proud to be strong.....". I think a certain twosome could have learnt from that had they "listened to their hearts!!!" (from the same track)

I'll catch up in the morning. Hope Luke's appreciative. xx

viv said...

Hiya Dillie

I think it is good if we all remember and are prepared to admit to weaknesses, too much pride never helped anyone!

I have a new bed coming next week, so who knows Luke might have to start walkinghome or getting back on his bike:-))

It is a sumptuous deep mattress not this new fangled foam either andyou guessed it a lovely oak bed frame

xxxxxxxxxx

nancy said...

Good morning everyone and thanks for the welcome back! We are back in the UK for a while looking after our youngest grandchild and it's a joy;

The ducks woke me up this morning to be fed so I'm an early bird today! We are in lovely Suffolk with a duck pond outside my front door!

Had lots of problems with BT who I signed up with for broadband - two days I stayed in to wait for the router - BT hire a private firm somewhere to deliver these things and the first day they forgot to order it and the next time they gave them an incomplete address, and they call Spain the 'manana' country!! I intend writing a strong letter of complaint today.

Docmac -

I really think you should put in for Darling's job - you certainly have talents in the field of finance by the sound of it! I've often clicked on the cancer websites to help out and had never given a thought that it was to make the rich even richer! It's difficult to say no when someone, whoever it is, might benefit though. By the way, is SA going through the same sort of financial crisis that Europe and the US are right now?

Viv -

I hope you had a good night's sleep in your new bed! I have a picture of Nanday perched on the headboard with one eye open to deter intruders! Better than a guard dog I reckon!

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

There has been a bit of a knock-on effect in the markets here which was only to be expected. Nothing like what happened in Europe and the USA though. No bank crises, no bail-outs or anything of that sort.

Enjoy your grandchild!

nancy said...

Hello Di -

Thanks for the very interesting link about Payne. As Tripz so succinctly put it -

F.....g guilty - the lot of them!

If it were my child and my friends reacted in this pathetic way I would have hung, drawn and quartered them by now, but then of course the wonderful McCanns refused too and it was about trying to locate their beloved Madeleine!

I shoule imagine that a similar letter was sent by all of these disgusting so called professionals. As expected, there was no attempt to give a valid reason for their evidence reluctance to go back.

Just what are they all afraid of by keeping to their secrecy pact?

I live in hope, but will probably die in dispair, that one of the guilty clan will be a turncoat and spill the beans; it could be that they have all been threatened with extinction by the invisible man if they do.

These blood of these clones must be as cold as ice!

Niki said...

Hi All:)

You have to have a look at this page about the Huelva-trip!

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html

Dylan and Rat (sorry for one day delay on reply...) Have been in the same situation as Dylan, running around like a headless chiken looking for kids, and THANKS GOD, never been nearer than to hear newsreports about harmed and murdered children...

If you go on to the Huelva-page, there is a picture half way down the page of Kate and Gerry, approching a man sitting on an outdoor cafe. K&G look like they are a bit shy, like they are selling something they really don't belive in!!! Like Time-share-pitchers!!! Like fake-Rolex-sellers!!
Sad enough... Not like someone desperatly looking for their loved, lost daughter...

Nancy, enjoy time with grand-child:). I just had my parents here for a week. The children loves having their grandparents here, because they play with them ALL the time:)

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Nancy nice to read you again.

Dylan,

'I thought it relevant because I don't think Madeleine will ever get to experience those joys'

Thanks for the youtube link just watched it and feel really emotional now. My 9 year old daughter brought home her short story writing book for us to read yesterday. Well she has a gift for comedy and is an excellent story writer for her age. I was ROFL at the stories. In the last story she wrote this was her closing sentence. I said to my mum " This is the best day I have ever had".

Docmac,

I respect your choices however I clicked in memory of the kindest most beautiful female I have ever known (apart from my daughter) my sister. Love you forever Dee x. I do not intend to click every day I think that is what the e-mail is for. If one woman no matter where she is in the world is saved because of this e-mail then that is good enough for me. My friend sent me the e-mail yesterday. When I had my shower yesterday I checked myself. A welcome reminder imo.

Mum21 thanks for clicking.

Thanks to everyone who clicked and I would just like to say I was not trying to involve you in a scam just acting out of love in the hope that other women and their loved ones would be spared from the pain and suffering this disease brings.

BBFN Lia.

Niki said...

Zodiac, sorry for your loss of a beloved sister...

The breastcancersite looks safe enough for me:) No name, obligations or money involved. I have bookmarked the site, to click when ever I remember...

---

By the way, FindMadeleine.com still has the donation-button up and running, and there has not been anyone in to update the page or write a small blog since August!!!

dylan said...

Good morning all.

Hi Lia, don't worry. I don't think any of us would think you were trying to push a scam. It is a very worthy cause. I lost an Aunt to that C word that I can never bring myself to mention. She was only 52 & it had a huge impact on my life and left me depressed for two years. I've been throwing myself off tall buildings since (with an abseil rope, I might add!) to try to raise money for it and I thank you for the click thing. If it does nothing else, it helps us to remember our loved ones.

That Enigma song is lovely isn't it? Especially the imagery, it's so warm and treats life as a celebration and death too. I should stop googling old tunes as it leaves me on an emotional rollercoaster and stops me from sleeping but I think it was worth it last night!!

Niki, you know what it's like to be the headless chicken then! It's not what the McCanns were like. I wonder why?!

xx

docmac said...

Niki

Yes, they do look like a couple without much faith in their 'product'.

The first picture on that page is what puts me off. Gerry using his 'try my homebaked cookies' look on a seemingly disinterested punter. And what is Kate smirking down on? That's not a copy of the leaflet. Could it be the latest FMF cash flow projections?

The mention of Rolexes reminded me of something. Has anyone EVER seen a picture of either of these two WITHOUT a watch? Clarrie, if you're still reading, I dare you to release a picture of the two of them without watches. To ensure it is genuine make sure you use a picture taken in Portugal. Or are you still trying to get hold of the now infamous 24 photos to try and have the watches, mobile phones and one tapas member per picture Photoshopped out?

docmac said...

Zodiac

Really sorry to hear about Dee. As I am about your aunt, Dyl. Out of respect for them I will drop the non-charity 'charity' subject.

dylan said...

Hi Docmac & I forgot to say hi to Viv too, shame on me!

I don't think there is any footage of them sans watches. Yet another lie. I don't believe anything that comes from their mouths, or Clarrie's on their behalf. I'd put the percentage of truths from that quarter at around 2%!

Zodiac, for Dee @-',-',- xxx

dylan said...

Zodiac, how strange that your daughter wrote "the best day ever"?

Elly is 9yrs too and writes such funny things. When she is at her dad's, she emails me poems that are way beyond her years but I don't think it's intentional!!

xx

Niki said...

Doc! said:

The first picture on that page is what puts me off. Gerry using his 'try my homebaked cookies' look on a seemingly disinterested punter. And what is Kate smirking down on? That's not a copy of the leaflet. Could it be the latest FMF cash flow projections?

---
Thanks for giving me a laugh:)

Off I go. Bye.

Zodiac said...

Niki,

Thanks.

'I have bookmarked the site, to click when ever I remember...'

Me too.

Dylan,

Your Aunt would be proud of your efforts.

'the imagery, it's so warm and treats life as a celebration and death too.' I agree. I like how it goes from present to past.


Docmac,

10.44 LOL!

docmac said...

Dyl

That 2% would be name and surname. If they had 'answered' all the questions it would have been 0.2% ;-)

Bye Niki, nice to see you. I am also going off soon.

dylan said...

Thanks Doc an Zodiac. Off myself now to do some housework. It never ends and is self-perpetuating!

Bye Niki and I hope all of you have a good day.

xx

docmac said...

Mark55 said...

"Bye the way , you spelt "admissible" wrong ."

No, Bark. It's 'admissable' in SA where I was schooled. By the way, you spelt 'by' incorrectly. My, what a worldly scholar you are. Bye.

Zodiac said...
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Zodiac said...

Bye from me also.

Docmac,

PMSL, ROTFLMAO. Mark stop imbirrisin yr'sulf .


Mark55 said...

"Bye the way , you spelt "admissible" wrong ."

No, Bark. It's 'admissable' in SA where I was schooled. By the way, you spelt 'by' incorrectly. My, what a worldly scholar you are. Bye.

docmac said...

Sorry, Viv. I'm not meaning to just have a go at Bark, but the rest of that post is relevant.

mark55 said...

notdoc said..

Just two little points here from me.

1. As I understand it, confessions obtained whilst being interrogated are not admissable in Portuguese courts.
2. Eddie was not trained on bottled cadaver scent


Mark says..
The pj are being charged with beating Cipriano so this goes against your first satement.

The 'pj' have not been charged with anything. And I believe the police's version in this matter btw.

The scent doesn't have to be bottled , it could be transferred by a cloth, as you suggested for the scent in the boot of tjhe renault .
Yeah, Bark. But it would still be REAL cadaver scent, as opposed to the bottled training variety which is synthetic. You really need to get up to speed on this or you're going to be fired.

Zodiac said...
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Zodiac said...

I have never seen these videos thought I would post links for anyone who wants to view. Thanks to Tara9 3 A's.

21/07/08
'No celebration' for McCanns

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7518361.stm



The former lead detective on the Madeliene McCann case Goncalo Amaral has defended making her parents official suspects.
21/07/08

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7517883.stm

Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:54:00 o'clock BST

docmac said...

Anonymous said...

Haai Southerncross, Howzit? Docmac is Sangoma? Tokoloshe?

(This is the last straw and he does NOT have it!)


09 October 2008 12:34


ROTFLMAO!! Can't wait to see what ST has to say about this one. The only poster who has previously tried the whole 'African' thing is...

southerncross said...

Afternoon

Lol, Doc. Any ideas? I have a specific one in mind ;) Counting the days to be back in my beloved country

docmac said...

Shark SC!

I'm waiting for ST's answer before I divulge that information ;-)

Die Noord Kaap wag vir jou met Karoo tjops op die kole :-)) Lekker stukkie biefstuk ook.

southerncross said...

Interesting behavior, don't you think doc?
Babelfish is going to be rather busy again, that is if there is not a resident translator at work right now:)
I'll email you later, have to go.
Thanks for the nice words, I cannot wait to be there again

docmac said...

Cheers, SC

RP, what happened to your fave late night sidekick from the DX? Haven't seen 'her' for ages.

Cláudia said...

Doc, can't you e-mail me and update me? You know I'm busy.

docmac said...

Update you how?

Zodiac said...

'Really sorry to hear about Dee. As I am about your aunt, Dyl. Out of respect for them I will drop the non-charity 'charity' subject.'

Docmac thanks. However I believe in freedom of speech. I have read your posts and thanks for imparting your knowledge on the subject. My sister would applaud you and everyone else for voicing their doubts on any subject.

After all that is why we are all here.

BBFN

Cláudia said...

Doc, I'm completely unaware of what's going on on other blogs/fora and you and Southerncross seemed to be having an interesting conversation. :-)

viv said...

What profound ignorance, where ignorance is bliss, there cannot be any thought of doing the intelligent thing and just shutting up, Mark, can there? Maybe you should take your lead from Kate and Gerry, it only took them 18 months to realise the more they said, the worse it got!

Who is next on the McCann's hit list by the way, "the British Police", "The CID", "SOCA", "Scotland Yard", "Eddie and Keela (dogs)" "Leicester Police"


If you understood just one little thing about law or forensics, trust me you would shut up, and colour up!


xxx

viv said...

oh I forgot the comment from Mark that brought out the very worst of my sarcasm:

Mark says..
The pj are being charged with beating Cipriano

viv said...

Upon conviction of course, the PJ will be dragged off to prison, the Portuguese authorities, realising their error, will build a new prison building to house "it"!

Cláudia said...

"Upon conviction of course, the PJ will be dragged off to prison, the Portuguese authorities, realising their error, will build a new prison building to house "it"!"

ROTFLMAO!

viv said...

It was just for you darling, I knew you would love it:-))))


here is another one:

Barky Marky says:

vile ,
You say you were at Birmingham university during the time I was there .

I WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF YOU WOULD POINT OUT WHERE I SAY THAT, IN FACT IN 1968, AGED 14 I WAS A LITTLE SCHOOL GIRL WICKEDLY WEARING BLACK FISHNET TIGHTS. I APPRECIATE, AGED 15 YOU WERE DOING YOUR PRE MED YEAR AT BIRMINGHAM UNI (AMAZING)

Do you remember the scandal re one of the exhibits in the Medical School museum during that time?

HAVE YOU JUST SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS GOOGLING AGAIN MARK? WHY WOULD I REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM THE MEDICAL SCHOOL GIVEN I WAS NEVER THERE!
From the standard of your posts you don't appear to be a graduate.

TOUCHE!

docmac said...

Claudia

Will gmail you later. Beach time :-)

Hi Viv

What a plonker he is hey? Very much like Wally and Vomit, if you ask me.

docmac said...

Viv

I reckon he swiped one of the jars in the path museum with his mop handle. I could give him good advice LOL! I wonder if that was his first time on TV? What were the others for? LOLOL!!

Cláudia said...

Thanks, darling. It was a great laugh!

Doc, ok. Have fun. Read you later.

docmac said...

Gina said...

Hi ST, thanks for the email, I now understand everything. I agree with most of what you said regards other comments and will reply when I have time. Blimey, just to think when this all started off I didn't agree with anything you said, but it is amazing how a one to one conversation, where we can speak openly without being jumped on, can make all the difference. However before you can be open you have to trust that person and I am afraid there are very few I would trust now.

Good luck, with the you know what, go gal you can do it, have faith in yourself. Just tell yourself I can and I will. Will email you soon


09 October 2008 16:40

He's 'good' isn't he, Gina? LOL! UB40's 'I got you babe' comes to mind :-))))) You have always been easily led, mind you.

See you've been sucking up to Rosie too. How many bathrooms does he now believe you have in that pension you work in?

Is that good luck wish referring to the change in medication?

docmac said...

Oh my word! A friend just e-mailed me this link about my old high school. And there is a picture of my youngest in it (albeit a rear view)!

Come on, Christabel, you can trace me now! I was at school with Mark Burton-Moore. He stayed on to do a post-matric year, but we played in the team of '78 together. Easy, hey? :-)))))

Cláudia said...

Oh my, Doc, you'll soon have the CIA, the FBI and the Scotland Yard knocking on your door. And if that's not enough, Metodo 3 and Oakley International may also be called. LOL

docmac said...

Did you see him in there, Claudia? :-))

I did not even know about this. There's a great view of the 'rear' end of Table Mountain too.

They can come knocking, no problem.

Cláudia said...

Are you sure? Aren't you afraid of the one man band?

docmac said...

Claudia

No.
Off for a bit ;-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, ;-)
Back to reading!

Di said...

Good evening all

I have read back and now just looked on 3A's.

RAT, if you are reading I believe you. I cannot understand WHY Blackwatch thinks you work for the McCanns!

You have gone through so much.

Stay strong.

Di said...

Sorry forgot the link

link

dylan said...

Aw Doc! Is that your littlun all on his own with the ball? Table mountain is stunning & has a mighty rear I must say!!

Hi Di, I'll have a look at your link in a mo - thanks.

I see barky has been up to his usual. Viv, I could have sworn I saw you in fishnets in the George back to school clothing range catalogue??

xx

Di said...

Hi Dyl

Poor Rat,I can't believe this has all been raked up again. Rat has answered these allegations before and Viv confirmed everything.

Rat like Doc must be causing several sleepless nights for some, imo.

dylan said...

Oh dear. I see what you mean, Di. Have just read the link you supplied. I think Rat is strong, however, and will be OK. There is a lot of support for her on 3as and, of course, from us here.

Have to go now. Have a good night all.

xx

Di said...

Off myself Dyl,

Enjoy your evening.

ratonthebeam said...

Hi folks, I am just looking in briefly as I need to go eat soon.

Thank you all for the support. I know what I have been accused of and I have answered on the 3As. But I think you all know me well enough by now to work out for yourselves that I don't work for the McCanns!

I bet some of the pros are confused, though :-)

Di said...

Hi Rat

I left you a message of support on 3A's, I trust you ;o))))

Keep up the good work and don't let them get to you.

southerncross said...

Evening all

ROTB,I hope you are well. There are certainly serious stalkers on the web. Take care and I know you will be able to rise above them/it.

bath theory said...

JFM

docmac said...

Notodc's wrong again! said...

He's 'good' isn't he, Gina? LOL! UB40's 'I got you babe' comes to mind :-))))) You have always been easily led, mind you.

See you've been sucking up to Rosie too. How many bathrooms does he now believe you have in that pension you work in?

Is that good luck wish referring to the change in medication?

Thursday, 9 October 2008 17:19:00 o'clock BST



Wrong AGAIN Notdoc! UB40 did have a version of 'I Got You Babe' but it was an original by Sonny and Cher.
Notdoc, you just seem to know less and less as the days pass by. Stupid git.


09 October 2008 21:26

Nope, it was definitely UB40's version that sprang to mind. But then I never listened to the abusive bastard's music anyway. I have a thing about abuse. I mean, ask me to sing a Michael Jackson song and I'm stumped. But I must say you have an impressive recollection of the music that was popular when you were in your 20s. Even the music of wife beaters.

docmac said...

Yes, Dyl

That's the one :-))

docmac said...

Who or what is Blackwatch? And what has this got to do with Rat?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Doc

Another unfortunate child.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/
3742765._Out_of_hours_medics_failed
_dying_child___inquest_told/

Don't you sometimes despair when you hear of these cases?

docmac said...

ICTOAN

Yes it is exasperating. Out of hours services in the UK are atrocious. Of course this is Viv's blog and I would NEVER blame Labour for this on here. Oops, just did. The doctors who happily accepted the offer which led to this situation in the first place should also share some of the blame of course.

I'm very glad my kids grew up with access to private healthcare.

docmac said...

Goodnight all.

southerncross said...
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Cláudia said...

Doc, you have mail too.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Doc

Fortunately haven't had the need for out of hours attention since I returned from France. I must say however that the service I have received in the UK has been a pleasant surprise to me having read horror stories whilst away.

I think perhaps my choice of Group Practice was a wise one. The local A & E Dept. saved my life earlier this year thanks to a rapid diagnosis of my condition.

When reading about these recent cases I have discussed with you I wonder why that standard is not replicated elsewhere.

southerncross said...

Goodnight Claudia,ICTOAN and everyone still here

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Goodnight SC and I also have some eyelid testing to do so goodnight anyone else still around.

dylan said...

Hi Rat, I am glad you are OK. I knew you could cope ;-)

Goodnight SC, sorry to have missed you! Goodnight ICTOAN too. Enjoy your eyelid testing and don't snore as loud as Doc ZZZZZzzzzz!

Hi Claudia, you still up?

xx

docmac said...

ICTOAN you have been very lucky to have had good care. There are certainly some horror stories and unfortunately many of them are true. You just stick where you are.

Goodnight SC, have replied.

Claudia, you better gmail it. I've not got Outlook on this machine. Quick! I'm dozing already :-)

zzzzz..

Cláudia said...

Hy, Dylan. Still up. Reading! :-)

Goc, g-mailed it! :-)

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, all.

dylan said...

Goodnight Claudia and all too. Off to bed myself. I think I was up until nearly 3am last night but at least I feel tired tonight. Still no cold illness, touch wood :-)

xx

viv said...

Well I have been out on the razzle again guys so late check in, well actually I went to see mom!

What is this about Rat works for the McCanns??

There are certain posters going back to DE days that I have always really enjoyed becoming acquainted with and RAT ranks very highly on that list. She epitomises those that represent Justice for Maddie and I will always count her among my good friends I have met for that.

These so called pros are very sinister people who care not one jot for little Maddie. No they spend all of their time figuring out what disinformation they can put out next. They have this uncertainty about the allegiances of one called Sass and so they thought they would create one on our side to see if they could make us look as stupid and paranoid as they know that they do. Well all of the McCanns tricks and their silly sympathisers are just pathetic! Kate and Gerry have now shut up, apparently, why dont the rest of you idiots just do the same, before you look even more stupid!

Keep up the good work RAT, they love you just like they love me, Claudia and Doc, not a lot.

If they stopped attacking us, then I would be worried, I would have to think they had a real plan, other than being a bunch of pathetic stalkers!


Take care Amiga and I know you are on the right side, we all do. That is why they dont like you, but we do!!

Luv Viv xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Niki said...

Kalimera:-)

Have you seen this?:


Tuesday, 7 October 2008
Enfants Kidnappés 7/10/08:

Lori Campbell's statement to Leicester police May 2007


Enfants Kidnappés


Lori Campbell
Leicestershire Constabulary


On May 6th 2007, the PJ receives a document from their British counterparts in which it us stated that:

Lori Campell, Sunday Mirror journalist has contacted the Leicestershire police to inform them of the following facts:

Lori has spoken to an interpreter who is helping the Portuguese authorities in the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. He introduced himself as, "ROB," and gave no substantive information about himself. He looked rather worried when he noticed that the Mirror photographer had taken his photo. "ROB," told Lori that he was going through a difficult divorce in the United Kingdom at the moment, that he had a three year-old daughter, just like Madeleine, from whom he is separated for the moment. He made a "show" for the reporters while he was on the telephone with his daughter, and Lori found that making such a show while speaking to his daughter on the telephone was somewhat forced. The things "ROB" said aroused Lori's suspicions.

The Portuguese authorities can make contact with Lori who is still in Portugal to obtain more details and to identify the said, "ROB". She is contactable on no. ...... ....

What we can assume.

The first question to be asked, faced with this document, is to find out why this journalist, present in Portugal, in contact with the country's PJ, refers to the police of a foreign country (in this case the UK) facts concerning an investigation the UK is not in charge of? Is the Mirror journalist so unaware of procedures on the subject?

The act of going through the UK police to speak of her suspicions creates red tape and considerable loss of time.

Indeed:

1. You have to go and talk about it - or send a fax, which has to be typed first - to the UK police (instead of the Portuguese police present on the spot).
2. The UK's administrative system has to get itself moving.
3. You then have to send back to Portugal (where the journalist is) a document to attach to the police statement.
4. This document has to be translated by a professional to be accepted in the case file.

Fortunately Robert Murat was not holding Madeleine captive because Lori was giving him ample time to disappear!!!

With hindsight, it could be said that we can see here an attempt at manipulating the investigation. An attempt to distract attention. An attempt to slow down the investigation. Certainly these theories make sense as it's not the first or last manipulation in this case. * Especially if we add the fact that, as it happens, it was on the advice of the British consulate that Robert Murat was chosen as interpreter by the Portuguese police!! Has he been the victim of a trap?

Other people will say that Lori was afraid to raise her suspicions of Robert Murat, who was too often with the Portuguese PJ, and that she would have preferred to go directly to the UK. That theory is difficult to defend. If Lori had contacted the Portuguese PJ directly, she would have been heard without the presence of Robert Murat and the PJ could have directly interviewed Murat or placed him under discreet surveillance. Instead of that, Robert Murat carried on with his translations for many interviews.

Niki said...

Oh, my oh my!

Just read through the post again and see this clear:

"He introduced himself as, "ROB," and gave no substantive information about himself."

I'm sure I have seen RatOntheBeam called ROB too!!!

Rat is not working for Mcscams, but is indeed Robert Murat;-))))

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

RatontheBeam,

I have read your posts since I joined the debate on the DE in Sept. 07. I respected you as a fellow poster then and still do. As usual the trolls have to try and divert attention elsewhere. Mmmm wonder if the 24 pics have annoyed them!


Niki,

08.04am LOL!

Cláudia said...

Sass is showing who the liars are in this game:

http://madblogforum.blogspot.com/

mandarinn said...

Hi all
Let me roflll... Raton the bean, working for the nccans ???!!!!!!
I read her since DE forum ,septenber 2006, and she along with Ironside was some of the posters that had many posters revealing mccans scum...Who come after? alsabela, viv,claudia or docmac are also working to wonder couple.
FLMAOOOO

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, it's quite hilarious, isn't it? PMSL! I guess anything goes to distract attention from the main issue...

Cláudia said...

Good afternoon, all.

docmac said...

By Tinkerbell43 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:19pm

I will not engage in any truce, 1. I have not contributed to it and 2. I have not been asked for a truce, quite frankly the suggestion that I have is absurd.

By Rosiepops on Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:46pm

I was amazed to learn about this "truce" amazed and puzzled because I certainly have seen no offer of it and I have every email sent to me and have read them and checked them, even though I had no particular wish to read a couple of them because they were so silly, I went and read and no, sorry no mention of any "truce".

Hahaha!! Look at the screen cap on Sass' blog. LIARS! Always known it though. I see it was forwarded to Bum later and she has not seen fit to comment. What a bunch of wallies.

docmac said...

Oh wait, she has. On the other blog

Mum21 said...

Clawd...have you never heard the saying "Silence is Golden"?

It appears Sass has not either.


10 October 2008 14:29

Bum, have you ever heared of karma? Sometimes it bites you on the bum! 'Silence is golden' to the tapas crew too. "We have a pact". Well one day they'll be bitten on the bum too.

hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

At least Sass was decent enough to remove the names and e mail addresses of the people the e mail was sent to.

What the hell is going on poor Rat has been outed again and worse still a site that she is a MOD on has allowed the link to it to be left there for anyone to click on it???

There are some paranoid idiots around for gods sake this is about a 3 year old child and whether you belive her parents are straight from the fires of hell or you believe the PJ got it wrong how is this helping her in any way shape of form?

It just shows that people from both sides can be bloody nasty and treat people who thought they were amongst like minded people are not who they thought they were.

Sass dosent deserve what she is going through and neither does Rat both of these people have diffrent views on this tragic case but I would rather spend time with either of them than some of the scum out there who dont give a damn abou the life of a child called Madeleine but want to bitch about people they once talked to.

I am sure as hell Sass is no Anti and Rat is no Pro but I would rather chat to 100 genuine people who thought the McCanns were saints the same way as I see them as sinners if in their heart their main concern was Madeleine McCann...

God knows what is going on at the 3As I wont post there again if they can allow one MOD to put Rat through this by bringing it to everyones attention... I hope the prat does not have thier IP address hacked and their family details spread around the net for every nutter to see although they seem to be enjoying themself by doing this to Rat.

Rat if I have any of this wrong BTW I apologise but from reading that thread this is my own view. The 3As has so many missing children on there now I thought they really wanted to help in the cause of missing children not act in this discusting way by doing this to one of their own.

docmac said...

Hi Hope

It is rather disturbing that this stalking is going on. It's not the first time either. However, I know Rat is quite capable of handling these people. It appears Sass is doing a pretty decent job of exposing the liars too. I had my differences with Sass, but I think she, Archer and Tulip were the only ones on the pro forum with any intelligence.

I agree about jjp. Don't know what on earth his motives were/are.

hope4truth said...

Hiya DOC

It is just bloody pathetic I am so angry with both sides (and it is none of my business) but how do these idiots sleep at night causing pain to people who trusted them?

I have never blogged before (and wont again) but by god there are some basket cases out there...

Have you read the site where Rat was outed (again) I found it very disturbing and anti semetic but to some it means because they said it Rat must be a pro???
2+2 = 960 pathetic...

As for Sass well she seems to be fighting her own corner we are all human at the end of the day but some are bloody nasty sod's who enjoy causing pain I dont get it???

docmac said...

Yes, I read it Hope. Once was more than enough.

hope4truth said...

Doc

I agree...

Hope you are ok it is so warm and Sunny here today shame summer arived a few months too late x

docmac said...

It's warm and sunny here too. Perfect weather in fact. You guys have had an awful summer :-( I read winter is expected to be rather dry. Doesn't help too much that it's going to cold though. Still, the forecasters often get 'tomorrow's weather wrong, so who knows :-)

hope4truth said...

A dry winter would be lovely my bunnies can spend time in the farden... xxx

docmac said...

A little too close to home.

by vee8 Today at 2:49 pm

"........."

Yes, that is little too close to home, as you actually name the city and the name and location of the block of flats your daughter lives in. Not only that, but you name the floor that she lives on.

Rosiepops and ST, take this post down immediately.

docmac said...

How are the bunnies? Did they get all their shots? :-)

docmac said...

Off for a long stroll on the beach. BBL.

Niki said...

Filming for next 20 days Correio da Manhã

Maddie: Documentary for TV

Paulo Marcelino
10 October 2008 - 00h30

The book 'Maddie - The Truth of Lie' is the starting point for a documentary that is being filmed in the Algarve over the next 20 days. Goncalo Amaral, coordinator of the PJ in the process and author of the book, is not the only character to appear in the TV production.

The documentary will be produced by Manuel Fonseca, of Valentine de Carvalho, and most of the filming will take place in Perth and in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared from on May 3, 2007. "First we will work and then make statements. The formal announcement will be at another time," said Manuel Fonseca to CM, producer of films such as 'Koko' and 'The Private Life of Salazar'.

Goncalo Amaral coordinated the first five months of the investigation, in one of the most media focussed cases ever. The inquiry eventually ended, this summer, at which time the former coordinator published his book, a pioneering work of police revelation that has sold about 200 thousand copies in Portugal. It has been on sale since September in Spain and will soon be published in Denmark, Sweden and Norway. "Everyone likes to see their work valued," said Goncalo Amaral, about the purpose of the documentary.

hope4truth said...

Doc

Yes they had their Mixi shots last Thursday and go back for the other shots next Thursday (they did not like me when they came home) an apple soon cured that!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for letting me know about shots I have them insured as well now £15 for the both of them which is cheap..

xxx

hope4truth said...

Hello Niki if you are still about xxx

I am off for a while too sadly no beach to walk on x

Zodiac said...

Sassy good on you. The way you are being treated is utterly appalling. They cannot even leave you alone. Don't let them get you down. Keep well.

Zodiac x

nancy said...

Hi everyone -

Di -

Thanks for the thread to the 3A's and all that hysterical nonsense about RAT. I think I am a pretty good judge of character and you only have to remember all the fantastic posts she has made as an anti to know that she is bona fide and has true grit!

As for Blackwatch, I'm very disappointed because I've always found his blogs very readable, so what a shame he has resorted to this sort of character assassination to someone as well respected as Rat.

Niki said...

Hi Hope:-) I have already done my walk for today. Have the beach, but prefer hills! Stopped smoking 5 days ago, and start to get addicted to...chocolate...:-( Well, guess it's more healthy than nikotin:-)

Have a nice evening!

xxx

Hi Zodiac and Nancy:-)

dylan said...

Hi all,

Nancy, nice to "see" you again. I agree with you wrt RAT and she certainly does have true grit :-)

Niki, thanks for the post about the filming. That really will put some bees in bonnets! Well done with stopping smoking & don't worry about the chocolate. I've heard that choc with a high percentage of cocoa is actually good for you :-) Though maybe not 20 bars a day ;-)

Hope, well said as ever (15.18 post). Your bunnies sound gorgeous. Can you mail me a picture? Which reminds me I have one of xxxx of her "christening" last Thursday which I promised Doc and said I'd send you one too.

I'll send it when I have the time.

Off out to a friend's birthday eve. Chinese food (which I'm not keen on but it is FOOD afterall :-))

Have a good evening.

xx

docmac said...

See RP is again claiming the DNA tests prove that NOTHING was found.

So what were the DNA tests performed on then, RP? NOTHING?

nancy said...

Niki -

Good luck with your non-smoking attempt - it's one of the most difficult things to give up but if you truly want to you will conquer the craving!

Good luck with Goncalo and his documentary on Portuguese TV. Why shouldn't he get his opinion across after all the terrible accusations he's received from our media and the McCanns.

Just why hasn't his book been printed in English I wonder - after all, it's the most used language in the world!

Hi Dylan - enjoy your party - nice to hear you sounding so positive these days too.

bath theory said...

JFM

docmac said...

by Rosiepops
Today at 4:14 pm

Comes this report from someone who knows what they are talking about. Shame on Goncalo Amaral and his ignorance and out dated lazy buffoon methods.
The same methods that have Leonor Cipriano in jail for something she in all probability did not do!

I would like to see what pretendy doc Notdoc and the idiot Claudia and the pretendy solicitor Viv have to say about this.

I am still waiting for an explanation of how pretendy solicitor and pretendy probation office Viv got her degree. Laffin


By GRANT ROLLINGS

Published: Today
"THE top criminologist in Portugal has slammed the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Jose Manuel Anes said the methods used by police were flawed and out-dated. etc etc"

OK, I'll have a stab.

1. He offers no proof whatsoever for his claims. It is all opinion.
2. He is no longer employed by the state.
3. He is 64, possibly ready to feather his retirement nest. You have mentioned on countless occasions how poor the Portuguese are.
4. It's the SUN.
5. HE'S A MASON


"On 11th December 2000 José Manuel Anes succeeded Luís Nandin de Carvalho as Grand Master and was installed on 24th March 2001. José Manuel Anes was the Grand Prior of the Grande Prioriado Independente da Lusitânea, a system of High Degrees of the rectified Scottish rite of Christian and Gnostic observance."

Cláudia said...

Good afternoon, all.

It's good to see them exposed as the liars they are. If Sass was the kind of person they publicly said she was, she would publish the whole damn thing, which she would never do anyway, because she isn't who they say she is because they are obviously liars.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I'll comment on that when I read the Portuguese version of it. Because I have seen that same gentleman before on Portuguese tv saying that some of his statements had been completely twisted by the British Press. I'll wait for the Portuguese version and then I'll certainly comment. The Sun? ROTFLMAO!

docmac said...

I read that somewhere Claudia. Can't remember where.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I've seen the man on TV many months ago saying that journalists had twisted what he said. I have no idea if this is a new interview or if it is something old come to life. If it appears on the Portuguese press and it's new, then I'll certainly have my say.

docmac said...

Mum21 said...

"docmac, why should I comment on it? It is none of your damn business. If Sass wishes to wash her dirty linen in public...that is up to her.
But for the record, I did not bother to reply to her because the last email I sent Sass, bounced back to me.

Got it now? Good!"


10 October 2008 16:53

Oh, but it IS my damn business, as the very people who shout LIAR most often have been exposed as the real LIARS. Got it now? Good!

nancy said...

Hi Docmac -

And just why has it taken this Masonic Lodge member, Jose Manuel Anes, so long to belittle everything about the PJ's investigation and Goncalo Amaral in particular? I agree with you that he is probably after getting a few lucrative interviews in before he retires to help feather his nest!

I also think that the main reason the McCanns and their pals have escaped justice so far is because of their links with the Masons who will protect their members above and beyond the call of duty!

That's why this bunch of child neglecters have been allowed to cock a snoop at their critics. But they shouldn't get lulled into a false sense of security either. As Viv has pointed out on numerous occasions, many people have escaped justice for years and finally ended up in Court.

docmac said...

After contacting Jose Manuel Anes, the 'Daily Mail' yesterday only published two of the four questions that were asked. "One of them was even distorted. I made a generic appreciation on criminalistics, without criticising the Madeleine case specifically." What the criminalist said, "but what was not published", he told CM, is that "the McCanns have a founding, moral guilt because they abandoned their children - and that there is a powerful, influential family lobby that has conditioned the information".

From CM article. No longer available online.

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

I do think that is partially true, but as Claudia has said, there are doubts about the way his statements were reported in the British press too. Probably a bit of both, I would imagine.

docmac said...

Hey Rat

Rosie is really getting on your case over at ST. When I read that you were knocked back by Gerry I just start ROTFLMAO though :-))

Cláudia said...

Doc, I knew I had seen and heard the man complaining about that on Portuguese TV... Until I read his statetements in Portuguese...

Cláudia said...

Oh

Cláudia said...

my...

Cláudia said...

the liars

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