8 Oct 2008

MCCANNS CONTRADICTORY ACCOUNTS RIGHT FROM THE OFF!

Sorry Rosie I am not in the seat here:-)))) I am having fun thinking of you scouring the country looking for this garden xxxxxxx Now dont get poisoning my fish, will you, Nanday likes them and so do me and my family!


Holidaymakers join Algarve hunt for missing three-year-old
Published by webmaster for 24dash.com in Communities Friday 4th May 2007 - 12:18pm

Holidaymakers and police were desperately searching today for a young British girl who went missing while on holiday in Portugal.
Three-year-old Madeleine McCann vanished from her parents' rented apartment in the Algarve last night as they dined nearby.
Tourists joined resort staff in a "frantic" all-night search for the little girl, who was described by a neighbour as "happy-go-lucky" and idolised by her "protective" parents, Gerry and Kate.
Today the manager at the Ocean Club - a holiday resort run by British travel firm Mark Warner in the south west seaside village of Praia Da Luz - said the couple, both doctors from Leicester, were "distraught".
John Hill said: "It was a very emotional and very frantic night and everyone did a fantastic job of getting involved and trying to search the area.
"As you can imagine, Madeleine's parents are distraught and not doing very well at all."
Around 60 staff and guests at the purpose-built complex searched until 4.30am while police notified border police, Spanish police and airports.
Sniffer dogs were brought in by Portuguese detectives to comb the area but as the hours went by, hopes that Madeleine merely wandered off were fading.
A spokesman for the Policia Judiciaria - the Portuguese CID - said they would not comment on the investigation.
British consul in Portugal Bill Henderson was with the couple and their twins, a boy and a girl, and Mark Warner said it was flying out counsellors to help them through the ordeal.
Mr Hill said that despite the report by a family friend that the shutters to the couple's apartment were broken, there was no sign that anyone had forced their way in while the McCanns ate at the tapas restaurant 200 yards away.
He said: "We are hoping that Madeleine is found as soon as possible and safe and well. Everybody here is just wishing that she is found as soon as possible."
But family friend Jill Renwick told GMTV the McCanns were certain that Madeleine has been abducted.
"They were just watching the hotel room and going back every half-hour and the shutters had been broken open and they had gone into the room and taken Madeleine," she said.
"They went out about eight, went back in at nine, they were fine, went back in at 10 and she was gone."
She described the missing girl as a "very pretty, very blonde three-year-old".
Ms Renwick said of the holiday: "This is the first time they have done this. They are very, very anxious parents and very careful and they chose Mark Warner because it is a family-friendly resort." A place where parents like Kate and Gerry can dump the kids night and day!
A Mark Warner spokesman said looking after the McCanns was their "first priority", along with finding their daughter, and added that if necessary it would fly other family members out to the Ocean Club, which it has run for two years.
He said: "Our staff are looking after them at the moment in whatever way they can but we can only imagine how awful it is for them.
"We are all hoping that she is asleep under a bush somewhere and we will find her soon."
He said the apartment the family were staying in was surrounded by other apartments, all of which have "quite sophisticated" locks on the doors.
Guests are being asked if they saw anyone acting suspiciously in the area, he said, adding that Mark Warner has never had cases of missing or abducted children before.
"We are hoping it's not that, though," he said. "It's the last thing we want but we have to investigate all avenues."
He said Mark Warner offers families a baby-sitting service where they can drop off their children for the night.
"Those facilities were available but, for whatever reason, they were not being used
," he said.
Today neighbours near the family home in Rothley, Leicestershire, to which they are thought to have moved from Queniborough last summer, said they were "devastated" by the news.
Neighbour Penny Noble said she believed Madeleine was due to start at school in September.
She said: "They are a really nice family and good neighbours.
"They are delightful. We see them take their bikes up and down and going for walks.
"Madeleine is a very happy-go-lucky little girl."
Neighbour Tracey Horsfield, a nurse, said: "They seem a really lovely family, protective of their children.
"I see them going up and down the crescent. They are a protective family who idolise their kids.
"I am hoping and praying that she has not been abducted and that she has wandered off. They would not let her out of their sight."
And colleagues of Dr McCann, who is a consultant cardiologist at Glenfield Hospital in Leicester, said they were still hoping for the best.
Doug Skehan, also a consultant cardiologist at the hospital, said: "Gerry is a popular, hardworking colleague for whom we have great affection.
"The mood in the hospital is one of great concern and we hope that Kate and Gerry will have their daughter back very soon."
The girl's grandfather, Brian Healy, said the family were "worried sick".
Speaking at the door of the family home in Mossley Hill, Liverpool, he said: "We're worried sick, as you can imagine. It's a very distressing time."
A family friend added that they would be travelling to Portugal on the next available flight.
Speaking to the BBC later, Ms Renwick said the McCanns, holidaying with three other British families, had felt let down by police in Portugal.
"I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own.
"They just don't know where to turn."
But resort manager Mr Hill said this was not true, and that police had been searching with dogs overnight and continued to search today.
He said: "The police have their dogs in and have been conducting sweeps of the beach and rocky areas very close to the village.
"There is a criminal investigator here in charge of the situation and around 20 officers but unfortunately there is still no information.
"If I was in the McCanns' situation, I would be frustrated as hell if there were 100 police here - I would still be frustrated and want more.
"I can't put myself in their position but the police were here with their dogs through the night."
He said detectives had not found a forced entry into the apartment but said the shutters had been slid up and the bedroom window opened since the McCanns left.
As to whether the police were now looking at an abduction, he said: "We just can't speculate at this stage. I hope not."

He said the couple and their twins, who are two years old, were being comforted by friends.
"The mood is not as frantic as it was last night but there is a big police presence and we just have to keep searching," he said.
Mr Healy and his wife, Susan, were driven away from the house in Liverpool shortly after 12.30pm.
Bags were packed in the car and a relative said they were heading to Portugal.
Mr Healy's sister, who gave her name as Nora, said earlier: "They don't feel they are getting much help from the Portuguese authorities. It's a terrible time."
A Foreign Office spokesman said the Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca) in the UK was liaising with Leicestershire Police and other constabularies while a Foreign Office Soca liaison was also in contact with the Portuguese chief of police. BIG GUNS FROM BRITISH POLICE SENT IMMEDIATELY, SURE THEY BELIEVED KATE AND GERRY MCCANN!! SURE THE PORTUGUESE POLICE ALONE COCKED THIS INVESTIGATION UP, HOW SO!
He added that two officials from the British Consulate in Portimao were with the family, assisting them as they deal with the Portuguese police.
Copyright Press Association 2007
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Cláudia said...

are pissed off!

nancy said...

Docmac -

Claudia is probably right, because we all know how the press just can't wait to get their hands on a bit of news painting the PJ's as lazy, incompetent Keystone Cops! So they could have well taken Anes' words out of context, especially as it was published in one of the tabloids fit only for the loo in my opinion!

By the way, who is that young Robert Redford look alike on your avatar?

Di said...

Good evening all

Nancy

Good to see you again, I hope you are well.

I also have total faith in RAT, yes, Blackwatch is a disappointment, I really do not know what is going on there!

Niki

Great to hear about the film, I wonder if they will put all the differing timelines in etc., they will have to have many extras to cover all the discrepancies LOL.

5 days not smoking, Well done:o))
Keep it up I am sure you will feel the benefits soon.

If you are having a bad day tell us, you will get support :o)))

docmac said...

Claudia, they certainly are.

Nancy, erm, um, erm, you know, erm. LOL

docmac said...

Off now. Big dinner to get through.

BBFN

Di said...

Niki

Sorry I should have said documentary not film.

Still it will be very interesting, how the timelines all fit in. Hopefully we will be able to see it here in UK, but, i won't hold my breath :o((

Di said...

If you have not seen this it is worth reading.


link

Di said...

This is only one of the comments that stood out for me.



We have the evidence on the record that the Portuguese police felt forced by overwhelming pressure from Gordon Brown himself - yes, personally - to co-operate in releasing a statement about a possible abductor, despite the fact that at that time (and still!) they had no credible evidence of, nor description of, any abductor - and had already begun to suspect the parents of involvement in Madeleine's 'disappearance'.

GB can you explain this please????

Di said...

Oh my

I will leave it there or I am going to be accused of speaking to myself, LOL.

Di said...

Off now

Enjoy your evening.

docmac said...

Bye Di

Burp.

docmac said...

Bum to Sass

"What has been said is nobody received your two original emails in September....which is correct.

Sass never mentioned being notified that those emails were undeliverable. So how do you KNOW what you have stated is correct? Because the two LIARS said so? This would of course make you a complicit LIAR. Arsehole.

docmac said...

Never saw Rosie as anything but a manipulative LIAR. Now that the proof is out there I can just ROTFL even louder than before whenever I read his unhelpful and dishonest posts.

Night all and sleep well.

Unknown said...

Hiya all

Di, I followed your link to the 3 As but when I read that Clarence was formerly "cabinet level" my eyes started to glaze over!

Since when was the "Head of Media Monitoring" a member of the Cabinet (a very small cabal of senior ministers, in Thatcher's days mainly herself, who actually run the country)

Doc, as for Psychopops/Supertroll, I notice he continues to stalk me, demanding details of my private life, if he thinks he is going to get an answer he can think again!

Viv x

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

Just what has happened to CM? He seems to have done a disappearing act along with his ex clients, the McCanns! They must be hoping it will all go away if they keep mum!

I hope you are happy with that lovely new bed! It will be difficult leave when the cold weather comes!

Di -

Thanks for that link - If it's true that certain British Embassy staff had left their jobs because they weren't taken in by the McCann's version of what happened to poor Madeleine, then why haven't the media investigated it - I would have thought the story would be a great seller! And if it's true, just why haven't the staff involved not told their stories - it seems that everyone are under orders of extermination to keep quiet about poor Madeleine's tragic disappearance!

Unknown said...

Hiya Nancy, you are a little bit previous as my new bed does not come until next week! But when it does I know I will enjoy it.

Clarence has gone off to work for a woman at a firm called Freud Communications if I remember correct, almost exactly 12 months after he started working for the McCanns. Given it was September to September it is tempting to think maybe it was just a temporary fixed term contract, like theone taken out with M3.

Does anyone know if it is true that in her original police statement Jane Tanner actually said that the man she saw carrying something that might have been a child looked like Gerry McCann, that would be very hot stuff, if true!

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Saturday, April 12, 2008
Glaring inconsistencies in Jane Tanner's witness statements about Maddie
Jane Tanner is a marketing executive by profession, and based on the recent bombshells dropped by Portuguese police, as reported in yesterdays UK Sun, she may well need every one of her marketing skills to explain some huge inconsistencies in her series of statements about events on the night of May 3, 2007.

Here's a summary of her previous statements which clearly shows the evolution of what she saw from an eggman to a creepyman who turned out to be a pig-farmer or a recluse depending whether you believe the PJ or the British media. The narrative which I borrowed from the excellent Joana-Morais Blog begins with the report of a meeting between Gerry and fellow holiday maker Jeremy Wilkes.



The two men, fans of tennis, had already played a few games during their holidays. In their meeting in the street, Wilkins was taking his eight-month-old son for a walk. The producer assured to have talked with Gerry up to 10 minutes, the same period of time in which Jane Tanner affirms to have walked past the two men on her way back to the apartment to check her own children, and at the same time she stated to have seen a few meters up in the same road a white man carrying something similar to a child wrapped up in a blanket.


Wilkins, told cops he could not recall anyone walking past him. Furthermore in all the time he was there he saw no man carrying a child. The TV producer is convinced he would have seen Jane Tanner pass by. He said: "It was a very narrow path and I think it would have been almost impossible for anyone to walk by without me noticing”.
Gerry and Tanner returned to the restaurant separately shortly afterwards and it was 10 p.m. when Kate decided to check on her children in the apartment.

There is a presence of a third witness which confirms the fact that Gerry McCann was talking to Wilkins, an Irish teenager confirmed she saw the two men talking, for a few minutes, near the McCann’s apartment: “There was only the father of the little girl talking to another man.” She didn’t see Jane Tanner or any man carrying a child either.
The girl wasn't in the list of guests, as their presence at Ocean Club wasn't registered with the management. Father and daughter have been in Portugal, to help the Portuguese Police in the reconstruction of what happened in the night of May 3 and to give a formal statement to Police.

Jane Tanner claimed she saw the two men but that was a later addition to her first statement and continued to guarantee that, at the top of the street, she saw a man with a child in his arms. The entire abduction theory depends on her and yet she left a vomiting child alone in her apartment while she sat drinking with friends at the Tapas Bar (and according to the waiters statements never left the table all night).

Jane’s Tanner statements have changed until now, two times, first account was: The man, looking Caucasian, was wearing beige trousers, black shoes and was covered in a thick jacket. He was slim, his height was 5'7" and with dark short straight hair. According to her words, he was carrying "a child or an object that could have been taken as a child wrapped in a blanket" or “bundle of clothes”. He was going towards the church.

In her second report in BBC Panorama’s documentary she morphed the description of the abductor, from a white man to a 5'8'' tall swarthy Mediterranean looking man with “quite a lot of dark, reasonably-long-to-the-neck hair”; the vagueness description of the bundle was changed to the certainty of a girl in pink pyjamas .

Jane, who socialized with the girl on a daily basis, did not recognize her though she could memorize the details of the alleged kidnapper. He was around 35 - 40 years, brown skinned, wearing beige trousers, a dark coat and black formal shoes (though JT didn’t see his face she was able to get the “abductor’s” age?). The “abductor” this time was heading towards Murat's home.

According to her statement, the child was wearing pink pyjamas, seemed to be asleep and was barefoot. This was the detail that she found the strangest “…and I can remember thinking oh that parent is not a particularly good parent, they've not wrapped them up”.

That night, after Kate discovered the disappearance of her daughter (and after Jane supposedly confirmed with another friend that Maddie was wearing a pyjamas of that colour), Jane Tanner made no mention of it to anyone. “I did not want to worry Kate even further”, she later said.

As Tanner is key to the McCann's story about the abduction, the wholesale changing of her story have given many observers significant cause for concern. Those people must now be frantic as the Sun revealed yesterday that her police statement contains yet another version and this one is mutually exclusive with her later statements.


It also emerged key witness Jane Tanner told Portuguese police in her original statement she thought a man she spotted carrying a child moments after Madeleine disappeared, was the youngster’s father.

Tanner, who has been re-interviewed by Portuguese police this week, now believes that man could have been Madeleine McCann’s abductor.


The problem is obvious. How could Ms Tanner have thought the man she saw with the child was Gerry, when she also claims that a few seconds earlier she saw Gerry talking to Jeremy Wilkes?

Either she thought it was Gerry and never saw him talking to Wilkes, (consistent with Wilkes testimony about not seeing her;) or she never thought it was Gerry and lied to the police for reasons unknown, and may or may not have subsequently seen Gerry and the alleged abductor. Third option she was too drunk to know what she saw...and therein may be her best defense.

In any case it will be interesting to learn how Ms Tanner escapes from this tightly woven web of what appears to be contradictory statements.

at 7:40:00 AM

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, all.
Have some e-mails to answer, a little something to read and then bed. It was a long day.

Beijinhos, Viv, Dorme bem.

Unknown said...

Goodnight Claudia, sleep well:-)))

Luv Viv xxxxx

Rori Hegarty said...

God almighty claudia, just logged on for a read, what is going on? Has there been a split in the camp? Thats pretty strong stuff thats being posted.

Cláudia said...

Well, Isis, I'm was just going to sleep.
These are the kind of people who defend convictec child killers, who out and threat antis and who threat pros who dare to defy the queen bee and her gang.That's all I can say, Isis. But it is more than enough to show them for what they are and to expose the kind of vicious human beings they are.

Sleep all, Isis. Away from it all.

Rori Hegarty said...

Indeed claudia, sleep well yourself. I know nothing of it and am probably better off.

dylan said...

Evening!

Friend's birthday night was lovely and very civilised. I didn't realise that Norwich had such a sophisticated night life and I've only lived here for 34 years!

Viv, lovely garden :-) I think I have tracked you down to Kew and I will be there with my shovel next year to put a spanner in your works ;-) I've a cheeky garden gnome you know!!

Poor, poor Sass. How many times have we been accused of a witch hunt?? I don't think I'd heard of that expression until very recently but a witch hunt is what is being done to Sass. Sass, if you are reading, I think what is happening to you is disgusting and I can honestly say that a chasm of difference of opinion between us, doesn't come anywhere near to negating an ounce of empathy that I have for you. You certainly don't deserve what you are having to put up with & I think I can speak for us all in saying that an olive branch is always extended to fellow human beings here, regardless of opinion. Whatever you decide to do and wherever you decide to post, good luck to you. At the end of the day, we are all human beings (at least most of us) and I don't put up or shut up to bullies. x

Hi Claudia and Isis! Viv, that Tanner women wouldn't know the truth if it smacked her in the face with a wet fish :-)

Goodnight and sleep well. xx

Niki said...

Good morning ALL :-)

Thank you for no-smoking-support:)
Had a few glasses of wine last night, and NO headake or coughing (couffing/coffing/cauffing/caughing?!@$_((??) today!

Reading through posts again, and think: Maybe "the other side" is having this "domestic" fight as a wind-up and a reason to close down their blog? As FindMadeleine is silenced (even no new support-messages), Clarrie is silenced and not a word from any other McCanns or supporters... Now when they are allowed to speak, they have gone under ground...

Have a nice day everyone:-)

ratonthebeam said...

Good morning all! I am just popping in briefly as I am going away for the weekend later. Hope you are all well and happy.

The Big News of course is that Dr Amaral's book is getting filmed! So we will have a reconstruction after all. I don't know which timeline they are gonna use, though - Dr Amaral's, or the one on the batter of Maddie's book. My "bosses" at Team McCann didn't say! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I am off to get my sax down from the loft and give it a wee polish up. I may be required to play the Benny Hill music at the reconstruction.

I do like the garden, Viv. I could have done with a nice, tranquil place like that to recover from my knockbacks from Saint Gerry Of The Blog.

See you all later! rat XXX

hope4truth said...

Hi Niki

Well done on 6 days of no smoking you are doing so well and eating a bit more chocolate for a while wont hurt while you get over the first couple of weeks xxx

hope4truth said...

Have a great weekend Rat xxx

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Niki,

Well done long may your will power continue.

Rat,

Have a lovely weekend and LOL!

Claudia,

Those posts show that lot up for the horrible people they are. Thimgs must be bad when they turn on their own.

The documentary will be very interesting. Hope it appears on the web with subtitles for the whole world to see. No wonder the Mucks are quiet! Maybe they have done something I thought they would never do and that is actually unturn a stone. Sadly not for their missing child, just for them to crawl under. WHERE THEY BELONG, IMO!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Good Morning All

An interesting thread on 3A.

Anes - considering legal action against Sun

by just listening on Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:54 pm
Today after reading The Sun's ridiculous piece they called a story " Maddie probe is blasted"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 790007.ece

It was brought to my/our attention by Laffin Assasin that this was/could be an old article by The Daily mail from December 07, which was according to a subsequent report the next day in Corrieo da Manha a distortion of what Mr Anes had originally said (you can read the article super sleuthed by Laffin on the following link):

http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.aspx ... 0000000010

After realising Laffin was most likely correct I sent in a complaint to The Sun detailing these facts and asking for an explanation as to why they were again misleading the public by rehashing an old article by another newspaper that was disputed by the person they claimed to be quoting, I await their response (which will probably a long time coming).

After this I did some googling and came across Mr Anes's web site and decided to drop him a line, to cut a long story short I informed him of the article explaining my concern re The Mail article and kindly asked him to confirm if he had indeed made a new statement to the U.K press.

When I got home to my surprise I have received a reply from him I will not print it but summarise what he has said, I can forward it to admin if they wish.

He said (and he called me madam, or google did ), that this article was even worse than the original (he used the word shameless or blatant) that it distorts the context of the original interview he gave to the journalist Manuel Catarino the author of the book "The guilt of McCann" and what he said at the end of his book. He says that he spoke originally in the context of methods of DNA analysis and the general errors that may occur in criminal cases in general not in the McCann case (in short he was giving his expert opinion on DNA methods generally as is I believe an area of his expertise).

He states also the fact that this is also not a statement that has been paid for that he recals, he thanks me for bringing it to his attention, (calling it an unfortunate article) he said it has made him so sad that he is considering taking action.

I await a response from The Sun (with interest). I was a bit wary of e-mailing Mr Anes but I am now glad that I did. Maybe just maybe The Sun will think twice before assuming that the public are fools and will swallow whatever they care to give us.

Well done to Laffin Assasin for finding the original article
Last edited by bonnybraes1 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Title altered to reflect significance of OP

Re: The Sun interesting update and second response from Mr Anes

by just listening on Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:11 pm
I had just finished posting this when I received a further response from Mr Anes he has informed me that he has just made a statement to the Morning Post (www.cm.pt) refuting The Sun's story and that this should appear to in tomorrow's edition of the daily Portuguese newspaper


http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=24410&st=0&sk
=t&sd=a

nancy said...

Good morning everyone - lovely day here and I hope it is for all of you.

ICTOAN -

Thanks for the link - I'm glad that Mr Anes hasn't turned out to be the anti PJ's and GM he has been painted. Blatant manipulation of facts again by the Sun (newspaper of those who can never think for themselves)!

Justice for Madeleine, whose parents let her down so badly and who has never been given the respect she deserves in our media, but then she is only an innocent child who has seemingly been wiped off the face of the earth, although I'm sure not forgotten by those who seek to find the truth of what happened on 3rd May 2007.

Unknown said...

Hiya all

Some good news again, Mr Anes distorted comments in The Sun (the sister paper of Gerry's favourite "News of the World"), are now being put to rights! The only thing the dross that is left of the "Pros" have been quoting to us lately is from that ahem newspaper. I just cannot bear to read The Sun for some reason. It would seem that although Kate and Gerry have gone quiet behind the scenes they are working really hard, just like they were not looking for Madeleine immediately following her disappearance (yes Kate, I am afraid we will never forget that comment to Jane Hill, BBC in your first interview).


As far as the demise of the Pros is concerned, this hatefulness towards their own former supporters including, Sass, Jane, Helen M, Archer and Tulip does coincide with the release of the videos showing both dogs marking the same spot behind the sofa. From this, no reasonable person could help but conclude that Madeleine died in that apartment on 3 May. I seem to recall there was a lame attempt to suggest maybe the er Predator(s) killed her. Again to suggest a so called abductor would break in kill her and then make off with her is quite absurd, particularly given the body would not then have been in place long enough to exude cadaver odour. I am thinking it was likely the more reasonable posters who Rosie has barred wanted to try and confront these issues and of course were simply not allowed to do that.

I have read the post from "Chinadoll" and I think it is truly shocking" health by being threatened with exposure in that way. Are these people so nasty all the time, or does their involvement in this case, bring out the worst in them? Chinadoll can be on the one hand abrasive, uncouth, threatening and downright aggressive, and on the other hand writing cultured posts about the money markets, which begs the question who is she and why does a woman who is clearly not lacking in intellect, join in with this sickening bunch on occasion? I have a view about that!

I am delighted that Goncalo's book is set to become a film but also disappointed his book is not after all going to be produced here in English it would seem. Again, I am sure the McCanns and their lawyers and spinners have been very hard at work, behind the scenes again, as Kate would say!

Viv x

bath theory said...

JFM - Principal carer of 2 boys + very hard 50 hrs work a week = very difficult to do.

I bet Kate was getting overwhelmed with 3 children under 4yrs of age + husband interested in playing golf and keeping up appearances rather than assisting with the nippers. That equates to me as a disaster waiting to happen... and it did.

WE SHALL OVERCOME

bath theory said...

Hi Viv
I am exhausted at the moment so very little time for the blog but my heart and soul is still with thee all.

bath theory said...

Viv , a mixture of intellect and uncouthness - could it be KH herself?

Unknown said...

Hiya BT

I hope you are getting a break sometimes and wish you could all come and sit with me in the garden sometimes, thanks for all the compliments by the way... ROB I have found it useful it dealing with being "knocked back" by Gerry.. actually recoiling in horror at the prospect of being anywhere near him!

I do agree that what you suggest is entirely likely and really pretty obvious frome everything we know. This is why he feels "duty bound" to protect her! The wife who could not even sleep with this thug! Such disasters frequently do happen but on this occasion we want to be certain it is not just the wife doing time for it, and think Gerry's own action since have made sure that he will, eventually (even if we do have to wait for the overly helpful GB to go - a big admission from me:-))))

xxx

Cláudia said...

I advise the people whose jumbled IP adresses begin with :
59123175, from France, Strasbourg; and 68214022, Uk, London to stop trying to hack into my computer.
I have your hostname, your ISP, your type of connection, your latitude and your longitude info.

Unknown said...

Hiya BT - I am sorry you are so tired and know what hard work children and a home are, for those parents who care about their children, anyway.

I have previously suggested Chinadoll could well be Kate McCann herself. She has complained about the ocmments in blogs and forums publically and to think this couple are not having a go back would be pretty naive! If she is not Kate then I think she could well be Rachel - a former commercial lawyer who would speak as she does or one of the other TAPAS women, maybe Jane. Whoever she can clearly be very aggressive and upleasant and must have a reason for getting that way so publically!

Unknown said...

BTW What I meant to say in the above post but clearly deleted some of the words;

Chinadoll by threatening people in that way so publically, she could cause ill health particularly in one who she is particularly threatening JaneGT and who so clearly already showed clear signs of mental ill health/alcohol abuse. What a despicable way to treat a former loyal friend who is very unwell! Yes BT I think this woman could have the capacity to do even worse than that!

x

hope4truth said...

Hi ALL

Yes the delightful CD I do hope for the McCann's sake she is not Kate or one of the neglectfl Mothers or Grandmother on that holiday from hell...

I wonder if she has read all the posts from Sass to her husband and had a good old laugh and decided that Sass is indeed a very nasty person or some such dross that the discusting bitch ranted to me at Christmas???

I must admit although no expert her post on reading it clearly the next day did sugest hatred and paranoia on a grand scale..

If these idiots are conected in anyway with their heros I am afraid whent the Credit Crunch has annoyed enough people and the happy couple are caught laughing and jokeing the tide may turn and their blogs if it is any of the Discusting parnets from PDL will be the final proof about what kind of people they are.

I am sure their are many decent people who blog on behalf of Kate and Gerry (and because they belive Madeleine may still be alive and are angry with the PJ) but by god some of the bitchy stuff writen would show the whole world just how devestated her parents really are if it were them....

bath theory said...

Thanks Viv, it is very hard to do the both. We do not have a support system which it seems the Mc's had. I am particularly empathetic towards single mothers or fathers who do not have a support system to assist. I would like to e-mail my publisher friend about this book not being published here, is that true? + in terms of GB going he has now engineered a major crisis to make him look the big cheese and thus I am afraid the banking crisis may well go on until the next election at this rate. that bloke is desperate for power and control - no wonder he wastes tax payers time and money speaking to 'possible' child killers.

bath theory said...

Right, the DVD 'Garfield' is finishing must take them to the park now. Take care all.

Don't worry the swings are not 150 metres away from the bench I will be sitting on and I can confirm I will not be taking 14 bottles of wine to the park with me and I can confirm if my children do for some reason disappear out of my site for a second or two I will go and look for them myself rather than relying on everyone else.

Hasta la proxima

Unknown said...

China Doll
Thurs 06/09/07
14:24


Christ. I actually think people are getting off on this case sometimes. I really do.

Unknown said...

BT the last reports I read about publishing "The Truth of the Lie" were that it was to be released in I think Denmark and Sweden, I may not have that quite right but there was certainly no mention of UK. It is possible to get an injunction to prevent publication in UK, it has happened many times! If the injunction has just been granted without appeal it would not be on the internet!

nancy said...

Viv -

I seem to have missed out on a lot of goings on at the vipers' den. It sounds like half of them have been put out to graze - there were very few of them before, so they will now have to rely on even more of the phony 'anonymous' flies on the wall to boost their posts. Who knows if it is not the same one posting over and over anyway.

So poor old Jane has been dumped too - surprise, surprise1 I would cast her as Jane Tanner in any film made - Jane Tanner came over in her famous interview as a highly strung person who could very well have been reliant on the good old G and T! Even a child of ten could see she was lying through her teeth that day of that famous interview and on other days, bearing in mind how many different descriptions she gave of the man and child! She definitely said the child was covered in a blanket, and then later changed it to pink pyjamas. Just why has she never been challenged over these glaring discrepancies!

I remember Chinadoll from the DE days - not a nice personality at all - she had the bite of a scorpion! She could easily play Kate!

I've never given much thought to Sass but she is well out of it if you ask me and HelenM too.

I shouldn't think it will be too long before they are down to just good old ST who, if female, could play sister Philomena perfectly.

Off for a walk now - see you all later

Unknown said...

So, why is the book not available in the UK, given it is about Kate and Gerry McCann that is very odd..(!)


Injunction freezes MI6 agent's profits

By Terri Judd
Saturday, 3 February 2001

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Treasury solicitors have obtained an injunction to freeze the renegade spy Richard Tomlinson's profits from his memoirs.

Treasury solicitors have obtained an injunction to freeze the renegade spy Richard Tomlinson's profits from his memoirs.

More than 1,500 copies of the former MI6 agent's book, The Big Breach, were flown to Britain on Tuesday after government attempts to ban them failed. But the Foreign Office said last night that an injunction had been secured preventing him receiving royalties.

A briefing document released by the Foreign Office said the action was being taken because Mr Tomlinson had breached government copyright. It also noted: "We are not proposing to seek an injunction restraining publication of Tomlinson's book but ... Tomlinson should not profit from his unauthorised disclosures. We are therefore seeking to deprive him of the proceeds of his breach of confidence.

"[We] totally reject Tomlinson's claim that he signed the 1997 [copyright] agreement under duress; before he signed it, he took independent legal advice from his solicitor at the time, John Wadham."

The Foreign Office was not prepared to say whether the Government would take legal action against publishers releasing the work in the UK. Copies of the book were flown from Russia by the online information company 192.com, which said it had secured half the 10,000 print run for the British public.

Unknown said...

Nancy, interesting, amusing and factual analysis of the soap opera characters, thanks for that!

Jane Tanner did come across in Panorama as someone who was certainly reliant on something and I mean substances, not the truth. Madeleine was not even wearing pink PJS they were white! She put her foot in it and described Gerry and was ordered onto Panorama IMO to backtrack. Note OB was not prepared to appear, no doubt a little tougher than his wife. I do recall the report from the solicitor of one of the TAPAS who stated his client was literally frightened of the McCanns and their allies, I can empathise with that!

xx

Anonymous said...

Viv,

Your garden looks like a lovely peaceful place to relax.

Cláudia said...

Well, I see ST chose Hope to attack this time and to avoid the 'main issue'. However, since there are no people interested in the topic of the latest thread, ST was forced to publish the other crap it's written there. And the snakes continue to stick the knife deeper and deeper. It's interesting to see the kind of human beings(???) they are. They turn on their own, they do it in packs (as all cowards do), they attack all those who dare to defy Poops and all those who dare to say a positive word about those who were their best friends but who are now their worst enemies. I also find it amusing that we were bashed and insulted because we used to call one of them 'the bottle lady'. Well, once they banned 'the bottle lady', that same poster is now called 'the bottle lady' by those who were her avid defenders.
I see Gina is still good at stirring things whenever she thinks the subject needs some more discussing.

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia

Well of course why would anyone want to post nastiness about Hope, they would much rather stick the knife into others they have now fallen out with and it would seem there are many.

ST, the person who claimed that we were "defamating" the McCanns has the cheek to lay into Hope's spelling. Well, ST there is a big difference between being completely thick (i.e. defamating) and not being very good at spelling. Many highly intelligent people cannot spell, but you do not come into that category!

Unknown said...

Oh and Gina Blanca, "I do not want to get involved", "I will not comment" but then produces a page of complete gibberish, Rosie taught her well:-)))

Unknown said...

Zodiac, thanks I have just passed a lovely couple of hours in my garden, pottering and watching the sparrows waiting waiting, now come on we want that grub you just hung up:-))

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv.
Well, one thing they certainly are good at (or maybe not) is lying. Some of them need 1335 words to say they aren't liars when everybody knows they are. Quite funny, to be honest.

hope4truth said...

Claudia

Read the butter wouldent melt bit skimmed a bit more and gave up...

I am still sure somewhere Troll is a decent Man god knows why he thinks he matters...

One bit that I did notice was the bit about thinking the McCanns are human yes I do it is such a shame they did not think their daugher's and son were human when they neglected them did not look for Madeleine and Mummy refused to answer any questions for Madeleine...

Up to Dyl if she wants to post the names of her children as long as she dosent sod off to the pub and leave them home alone it dosent make her a bad person (and is none of my business) I do e mail Dyl but I dont know her.

Used to e mail someone else as well and she bought all I said LOL Butter may not melt but I am not bloody stupid...

Take care Trollie Love you xxx

Cláudia said...

P.S: Your garden is just absolutely beautiful. :-)

As for Gina, well she just knows to add her bit of gasoline to the fire so she isn't bored. :-)

Cláudia said...

Hope, of course the McCanns are humans. They are just crappy humans who leave their toddlers alone to eat, drink and laugh.

hope4truth said...

Viv

How dare they take the P our of my spelling not my fault I type to fast and for the main part dont think LOL

FCUK Teh Lto Fo Tehm 0LL xxx

Unknown said...

Hey guys have you seen this, an American site full of little teenies hero worshipping Madeleine, like some Diana Icon, oh, and one of them is called Sass, aged 14, it would be funny if those apparent old biddies are constantly raving to Sass, the 14 year old who loves fairy tales:-)))

Rosie/Gina/ST can I suggest you look up the meaning of the word "succinct" and then try putting it into practice! And stop being such a load of old bitches to a cute little bunch of American teenagers!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=254641667

Unknown said...

Hope, Lol and fcuk the whole little bunch of them, all three of them or whatever!

xxxxxxxx

Unknown said...

Oh just had a read of ST and I think RP has really lost the plot now:-))

Or is it just one of his bad days:-)))

hope4truth said...

LOL

DO you think that some people really dont have a life in the real world???

If this wasnt about something so Tragic as a 3 year old neglected child I would give up...

hope4truth said...

Hey Viv now now poor RP is a human being dont be so harsh...

The only reason I blog is because my mouth is so full of butter I cant speak LOL...

Unknown said...

Hope I know,

Ian Brady and Myra Hindley
Fred and Rose West
Dr Shipman
Ian Huntley
Leonor Cipriano and her brother..

Mum21 and Rosiepops..

all human beings:-)))

xx

Unknown said...

oh, and of course, Kate and Gerry McCann! Silly me, how could I forget those two!

xxx

Cláudia said...

Gerry confirms in the files the the Ocean Club in the Algarve did not have the 'baby listening' service...

Di said...

Hi all

Viv

Thanks for the picture of your tranwuil garden.

Can I ask, do you get bothered by Herons? We have a pond and have had to resort to net and wires to stop the Herons taking our Carp.

They still come to stand and look, but thankfully are not able to get any. We have about 25 new babies this year so we must be doing something right:o))

Viv

I cannot believe you said overly helpfull GB, have you been overdoing it Lol :o))))

hope4truth said...

Viv

Exactly...

You have mail BTW xxx

Di said...

Sorry Viv Tranquil

Di said...

Tranwuil farden :o))

hope4truth said...

Di

Nothing wrong with a nice Farden and Viv has one LOL

Cláudia said...

Off for a while! :-)
BBL

Di said...

Hi Hope

Even if GA's book is not published here in the UK, I am sure it will be available on the net as a E-Book for download.

I remember C/Doll from the DE days, I did not post much but read, I could never quite make her out. I think Viv has some good possibilities there.

Does anyone know what happened to Tylersmum?

Di said...

Nancy

Your 15.06pm post :o)))))))))

Di said...

Off to watch tv

If I don't get back will see you all tomorrow.

hope4truth said...

Di

Is she Photon??? now on the 3As same avatar (if I have the right person) but I am not good with names when I meet people so on the net am even worse...

I cant see why GAs book cant be published in English I am sure some wise Portuguise person would make a lot of money selling it on line...

SO much for England having freedom when it comes to the neglect of a 3 year old child it seems very wrong to cover it up.

I see the Mother who lost her two children in the fire has been bailed and now the news is reporting she tried to save them both. Terrible for any parent who has lost a child in any way to be accused but sadly it is what happends.

No massive outcry about her being locked up no fund no lawyer no nothing yet she was accused of Neglect so is neglect wrong or not?

xxx

hope4truth said...

Di

Got that wrong I think Photon may be Dr Val but dont quote me x

Di said...

Hi Hope

Still here for a moment other half is watching the footy results.

Photon!I had not noticed the avatar.

It is a very sad case regarding the two children you mention. Yes, I believe she tried to save them afterall., I also believe she is in custody, she must be inconsolable. You are right no outcry or fund, Mmmmm.

Off now.

Enjoy your evening.

LittleGreyCell said...

Evening everyone,

Well, I've read that cr*p that ST (from here on in to be known as Mediocre Troll) has written about Hope, and if it wasn't so bl**dy off the mark I'd be laughing my head off. (I suppose then I'd be GC).

Just where do you get off, MT? Lecturing Hope on the McCanns being "real people". Indeed they are unfortunately, and not just figments of our warped imagination, more's the pity.

Do real people not neglect their children to go out with their friends to drink? Do real people not try to keep themselves, at all costs, out of jail? Do real people not kill their kids, on purpose or accidentally???

If your head wasn't up a fundamental part of your anatomy, MT, perhaps you'd be able to see that.

However, for whatever reason - Gerry McCann? Kate? God? - you choose to be brainwashed; not by what actually happened (or were you there that night, MT, which is the only way you'd really KNOW?), but what you WANT to believe happened.

What have they got on you, then, MT? Does God come to you in your head and say the McCanns couldn't possibly be guilty of heinous crimes? (For if they are guilty of one, they are guilty of many). Is it that you can't believe anyone you know could be so evil? (Didn't Myra Hindley know people? Didn't Harold Shipman have family and friends? Has Robert Thompson not forged a relationship with a woman?)

Your blindness to what MIGHT have happened, your complete refusal to accept that you might indeed be covering for evil people, your hounding and bullying of those who have stuck their necks out - for a year and a half! - to stand up for a missing, probably dead little girl does you no credit whatsoever.

Having a go at those of us who know the facts just don't add up (do you believe in aliens, MT? Did they hovver that night over Praia da Luz and scoop Madeleine up into their glitzy spaceship without leaving any alien DNA?) does not bring Madeleine back, nor does it make the perpetrators of her disappearance suddenly innocent.

Does God tell you to harrangue people with a conscience? Or are you more concerned about Sassy spilling the beans about what you're really up to and your real identity?

It might interest you to know (and if it doesn't I couldn't give a ****) that the general public are generally willing to forgive errors, accidents, passions of the moment. What they are not willing to forgive, however, is the cover up of those things.

You obviously have some sort of a brain, MT, ******* use it.

Not everyone you know is as pure as the driven snow. Get used to the idea. And lay off those of us who believe a young girl's death deserves - at the very least - some sort of closure.

Oh, and by the way, it's getting a bit stale now to rant on about the 'Antis' having no compassion for people who have 'lost' their children. Wasn't it on your very site that Mum21 so sensitively barked at Docmac, when he and his wife suffered a traumatic miscarriage of twins, that it was karma due to his posting on an anti site???

Shame on you, MT. Madeleine deserves better. It's a good job she gets it from us.

hope4truth said...

LGC

Blimey that just about say's it all the paragraph...

"It might interest you to know (and if it doesn't I couldn't give a ****) that the general public are generally willing to forgive errors, accidents, passions of the moment. What they are not willing to forgive, however, is the cover up of those things."

Is so very true sadly though lies begat lies and once someone starts they cant stop no matter how much they want to..

If we are lucky we have family who love us and dont want to think the worse and I cant imagine the pain if a memeber of my family was in exactly the same position as the McCann's then I would also be thiking about another tiny member of my family did she not deserve love and protection to?

Dont worry about the post over there I had to be nosey and have a quick look and frankly it is about time someone had a go at me I ment what I said in my posts to Sass but if as an added bonus I have rattled someone cant be bad (sorry Sass)...

Do you have any idea how hard life is with a mouth full of butter that wont melt especialy when my spread of choice is Flora Pro Active???

Hope 4 Truth whatever the Truth may be I doubt it will help Madeleine now and that is the only thing worth worrying about in this whole sorry mess...

xxx

bath theory said...

Well said Hope.

These people are either paid to state such words or very close family/friend or they are the players themselves.

They represnet a sort of human being who would say soemthing like 'It was an accident. I didn't mean to ....' and persist to try to blur the fact that the fact happened. I see it everyday in the playground.

I would rather have Eddie & Keela babysit my children and that is my honest assessment. The public believe they are negligent and the majority believe they the parents were further involved.

They are being protected by vast amounts of money, contacts and maybe something even darker such as freemasonry. Even with such forces they are clinging to the edge of a cliff with their fingernails and I truly believe once the political scene changes the real story will gently unfold. It may take time but time is something they have on this earth and Madeleine most likely doesn't.

bath theory said...

JFM - goodnight all

hope4truth said...

Night BT

Eddie and Keela anyday over a very many people...

Sleep well xxx

LittleGreyCell said...

The problem is, Hope, that the only 'truth' they're interested in is the one that gets Gerry and Kate, and their lovely friends, off the hook - no matter what they've done.

Maybe the thinking is 'our duty is to help Gerry and Kate, whatever their involvement'. That reeks to me of Masonic involvement, which suggests that true justice doesn't come into it, just adherence to the rules of the society. Help your compatriots, don't ask questions. Not very edifying.

Poor, poor Madeleine, who was not only unlucky enough to be born to such neglectful parents, but also into their parents' circle, which plainly believes that Kate and Gerry's lives are worth more than her own brief time on this Earth. A circle which doesn't mind trying to destroy anyone else - in any way they can - who does not share its warped beliefs.

What an eye opener this whole thing is. I lost whatever tiny sympathy I had for any of Team McCann when Mum21 had a go at Docmac during a family tragedy. She wasn't only not censured, she was egged on. What a miserable pass being a human being has come to.

Lucky for me, I believe in karma. I can wait.

hope4truth said...

Hello LGC

Yes the post from that witch showed exactly what kind of compasion the woman has for anyone else...

When I lost my baby I kept wondering what I did wrong (even though I knew that these things happen) I loved that baby and still do and would not wish any misfortune on anyone...

I dont wish the McCanns harm I really dont care what happends to them they will never move on from this even if Madeleine was found. I would not wish what they are going through on any one either...

Madeleine the truth will out it is the least she deserves... x

docmac said...

Hi LGC and Hope

Thank you for the kind words LGC. And thank you for the well-reasoned post earlier.

I came to know of Sass' blog only on the 4th of this month. She generally deletes older posts as she goes and I had not seen what appears to have been her original post on the 26th of September.

This has now very kindly been posted in it's entirety on ST by Bum. Even though we had heard some of the rumours about RP's all-encompassing powers, it is a real eye-opener! WELL worth the read!!

Hope, no need to be at all concerned about the new thread posted in your honour (welcome to the honours roll by the way :-))). The thread has turned into a "get Sass" (and Helen and Jane and...) slugfest.

Cláudia said...

This is the first post on Sass's first blog, I think. I had never read it before. But Bum posted it on ST and I decided to copy paste it here (hope you don't mind, Viv), because I found it sharp and truthful and because it says many of the things we have been saying about the pink place for a long, long time. It's a long read, but for those who read it till the end, you will see confirmed what many of us have been saying here and which were treated as 'lies' by the now exposed liars.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Why this blog was started

As I am now heartily fed up with the lies put out on Rosiepops' forum about myself (apparently I have been attacking her personally for weeks) and why I left the forum, I decided to set up this blog in order that I may have the right of reply (denied to me and many others by the woman who constantly lectured everyone about "free speech").

Why I left the forum

After a series of problems with Rosie, I wrote to her saying how ridiculous it is that people cannot express an opinion which differs from hers without her jumping down their throats. I do not agree with people being sent e-mails telling them not to write what they did, because Rosie did not like their ideas; I do not agree with people being told they are "incorrect" because Rosie does not agree with them - being of another opinion does not make someone wrong.

Since leaving I have received very many e-mails from other posters (old and new - banned – and current forum members) agreeing that the forum has turned into the "Rosie Show", or is "not a very friendly place of late". I told Rosie directly (via e-mail) what I thought of the whole situation and when I received an e-mail from other posters asking why I had left, I gave them the reasons. However, Rosie and Tinks were the first ones who were told of my decision to leave and the reasons for this, so I did NOT stab Rosie in the back. I am also not trying to discredit her in e-mails or on any forum - in great contrast to what she is doing - and would never encourage anyone to leave the forum. If any posters there have heard different, then they have heard lies.

The accusations

It has also been brought to my attention that Rosie has accused me on the forum of being in some kind of alliance with Docmac and has made much of 'betrayal'. She has been enthusiastically supported in this libel by Tinks and Mum 21. They all know perfectly well that this is a travesty and intended to convince their small remaining membership that a barefaced lie is the truth. Too many people know the facts now for this to be accepted by any sensible person and it only reflects badly on the participants.

Rosie was not "forced" to remove those ridiculous, badly-done elephant pictures. I said I did not like them and I thought they reflected badly on the forum. I was certainly not on my own there – I think the nicest comment I received by e-mail was that they were not "even well done". She said if I was upset by them, she would remove them. I hardly believe that this constitutes "forcing".

The real state of the forum and blog

The forum – which I set up (and no Mum21, you do NOT need to be privy to the admin area to see that) – shows that there are 88 registered posters, but these numbers are very unrealistic. If someone is banned, the poster is still registered as a poster, but if they leave, then the statistics show that. From the 88 posters (the number has dropped in the past couple of weeks) about 20 are still active, so Mum21's boasts of the forum flourishing and growing are yet again pure and simple lies – the numbers are going down. If they were not doing so, there would be no need to write what pretty much count as "begging letters" to come back to the forum - banned people suddenly unbanned, the pity card being pulled in one case, the "you owe me" card in another. This all sounds rather desperate to me.

This week, for example, four posters have been banned and two have left, yet according to the statistics there are two members fewer. Out of the four banned posters, two don't know why they were banned, one was banned for disagreeing and finally one was banned for the content of a joking one-line e-mail which somehow the mods or admin got their hands on. What a wonderful example of "thought police" in the latter case.

I set also set up the blog, but Rosie was the one who had the idea if "do you think we could set somewhere up" counts as an idea. One night without warning, Rosie turned the blog into candy floss hell and since my departure from the forum she and Tinks have banned me from my own blog and have point blank refused to answer my e-mails about this.

"Policing the forum"

It has already been mentioned that certain points of view were not welcome on the forum nor, it would appear, are joking e-mails - even those not addressed to the mods/admin. Writing in grammatically correct English makes you "anally retentive" according to our master author, Rosie and not putting pictures of teddy bears, rainbows and telling everyone you are sitting at your computer with tears streaming down your cheeks? Well, then obviously you are "emotionally stunted" says the author/mental health specialist.

So, let's get this right, you have to pretty much write what Rosie thinks, write this in the way she wants and while doing this cry all over your computer.

Consistency?

As mentioned above one poster was banned for a joking six-word e-mail which somehow one of the mods or admin got their hands on. This poster was then banned as was one of the recipients of this mail (seemingly for being a recipient). Yet, another poster rang up one of the banned posters at home and threatened her with violence. This poster is now being praised to the hilt by Rosie and wrote soon after the threatening phone call about the beauty of prayer for Madeleine and how important it is to stand up against wickedness!

To summarise, be a recipient of a joking e-mail and get thrown off the forum, ring someone up and threaten them with violence and be hailed as a gem!

E-mails flew around to tell people not to argue in public and not to write certain things as they "upset" Rosie or you would get snapped at on the forum. Now, apparently, it is fine to write your opinion. I have to say that the timing here is quite handy as pretty much everyone with a different opinion has left or been banned anyway.

Mum21, who has been waxing poetic about the wonderful friendship between all those (left) on the forum is in fact the one who has left several times because she didn't agree with the posters, with things that have happened, etc. Her main bone of contention recently was the Sky posters – they were too uneducated for her, they were, and I quote, "the pits". Before that it was Rosie herself who came under attack – "net whore" is one of the terms of 'endearment' used when talking about this pal of hers.

Dignified and silent?

According to Mum21, Rosie has been accused of "awful things" but, according to Tinks has remained "dignified and silent" all throughout "underhanded tactics" (sic) and talks about what Rosie has been "subjected" to. So, what are these awful things that Rosie has been accused of and subjected to? Oh yes, that's right, an e-mail telling her she isn't allowing people to express their opinions and it's not her way and the wrong way. Grief, I hope there's a self-help group she can go to to get over the trauma!

As far as dignified and silent are concerned, how do "dignified and silent" constitute snide comments on a forum where the people she is accusing of being "stuffy", thinking they are better than others because of their education and lying about things they have said and done knowing (or rather thinking) they cannot reply to these comments? There is nothing 'dignified and silent' about such behaviour - self-serving, absolutely.

The Rosie Show

I see no point whatsoever in people going onto a forum to tell people how much suffering Rosie has gone through, how marvellous Rosie is, etc (especially when these statements are based on falsehoods spread by e-mail and on the forum). How anyone can think Rosie's, Mum21's and Tinks' constant bitching and lying about people who have left the forum actually helps Madeleine and her family is way beyond me. What a total and utter waste of time.

And now?

I have in no way lost interest in the case and will still be following developments. It is still my opinion that the McCanns are not responsible for their daughter's disappearance except that they enabled a chain of events. Having said that, if I met them, I would have quite a few questions for them about aspects of the case where I feel there are inconsistencies or when there are gaps in the information.

There are so many worthwhile causes where people could actually volunteer to do something practical - in my case, walking dogs at the dogs' home and now getting involved in children's education in Nepal. These two jobs, I feel, are actually worthwhile and do in fact make a difference – bitching and lying on a forum do not.

Final word

Diane has always spoken a great deal of sense and as she so succinctly put it, "One must be careful who one associates with, after all s**t sticks". Well, that certainly makes for some mucky bods on the forum then, doesn't it?
Posted by Sass

Cláudia said...

Doc, have you been reading my mind lately, my favourite floor cleaner?

docmac said...

LOLOL!!

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Docmac,

Don't mention it. Have had steam coming out of my ears and needed to let it go (we have guests tomorrow. Could have been embarrassing).

How are you? How's the footie going this season?

X LGC

docmac said...

Well, LGC thanks. And how are you and your smelly friend?

The footie? :-))))))))))))))))))

LittleGreyCell said...

Doc,

Which smelly friend are you referring to exactly??? (Better not answer that, hey).

Opus is very well, ta. Bemused at why half the western world has put their deposits into Iceland, when they could just as easily have invested in the Opus Bank of the Antarctic (free herring with every 100,000 pounds). Serves them right, he says. Sell derivities, buy fish.

:>)

hope4truth said...

Claudia

Blimey is that why they think we are scared of Viv as she might phone us and have a go???

x

Cláudia said...

Doc, LOL!

Hope, that might be it! ROTFLMAO!

docmac said...

LOL, LGC.

I've been to Boulders. I know what you have to put up with ;-) Should I have your unusually scented friend?

The legal sparrow and the PR person (sorry, the LIAR) are now in on the act. I thought the MT blog's raison d'etre was:

This blog is simply here to try and stop some of the bullying that is going on, and also to stop some of the sickening things that are posted everyday using as an excuse a beautiful little girl.

ST

Unknown said...

Now come on guys, I want tears, I want flowers, I want butterflies, I want teddies, I want cute little pussies and fairies and I want everything pink!

Just a few extracts from a clearly pissed of Sass, I just cannot help but laugh. Rosierant you know where she got the idea of massive ranting posts from now dont you!! So just so we dont get bored, this is just an amusing extract that captures you so well, I think, tee hee!!

Viv xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


POOR PISSED OFF BLOGGER SASS SAYS:

One night without warning, Rosie turned the blog into candy floss hell and since my departure from the forum she and Tinks have banned me from my own blog

Writing in grammatically correct English makes you "anally retentive" according to our master author, Rosie and not putting pictures of teddy bears, rainbows and telling everyone you are sitting at your computer with tears streaming down your cheeks? Well, then obviously you are "emotionally stunted" says the author/mental health specialist.

docmac said...

said! your unus...

hope4truth said...

Viv

Candy Floss Hell what a fantastic description....

You had better send us all chocolate if you are not careful you could be banned from the blog you created...

Oh and a case of Pepsi Max would be welcome as well...

x

Unknown said...

Gosh LCG and Opus!

Good to see you again my lovelies:-) that will help my all important er stat counter or whatever . Forgive I have just been reading the psychos blog:-))) all though I could not get right through it for some reason..

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope

I agree, I too thought Candy Floss Hell was simply brilliant!

I am getting a bit paranoid now mate, you all have the power to bar me from me own flipping blog!

I guess Rosie has made sure that cannot take the obvious option:-))) but they must be trying to think of a way, just so they can genuinely, have their say!

Go for it Sass, get it all of your chest, I think you need counselling, Hun x

docmac said...

Sass to Christabel

"I can deny blocking you, because I don't know how to. The account Maureen said you used was shut, because it wasn't used. The account you had from the word go is still active and as I have no idea how to block people, anyone can write.

Ahem!! Multiple accounts? Surely not. LOL

hope4truth said...

So is Maureen still around then I thought she was Mum21 and Old Hippy she seemed to vanish though to be honest I did not go there very often so she may have posted a lot???

Unknown said...

Oh Claudia Hun

I just noticed you pasted the full on SassBlast as regurgitated by anally retentive BumFromHell, (better out than in, she could look even worse) not that she likes to make a drama out of a crisis of course!


xxxxxxxx

LittleGreyCell said...

Doc,

Handy tip: Always carry a clothes peg. And apart from the obvious benefits, nobody knows when you have sinus trouble.

;)

Cláudia said...

Some of them just seemed to have vanished. I almost didn' remember those two Hope mentioned. I'm glad they're not around. They would have probably been banned.

Cláudia said...

Viv, Bum saw the light so she decided to enlighten all of us with the truth for once in her life. :-)

docmac said...

LGC

Hahaaaaa! Who was it who came up with the old "Wibble" on the DE? Was it you Hope?

Unknown said...

Hope I really miss Maudlin7

and I do not mind admitting I used to have real tears rolling down my cheeks when confronted with all the desperate illness, sadness, murder, crippling disability, heart disease, hypertension, suicide etc this poor, poor woman endured.

Oh, and I tell you what I will let you in on a little interblog secret, Doc and Claudia miss her like heck too xx

Old Hips - away and bile your heed! Obviously a very close relative of Gezza but she got all the pies and became just like a lorry according to our Claudia, who does make me cry at times too, I must confess:-)))

hope4truth said...

Wasnt me LOL x

Unknown said...

Guys, I am even crying at the moment but heck what else is a Saturday night for, it is tradition on this blog xxxxxxx

docmac said...

Hope, Maureen said that CHRISTABEL registered an account using a different username.

hope4truth said...

Viv

Maureen accused me of stalking her and advised I take a break. I kept telling her it wasnt me but she kept having a go until finaly she realised she had the wrong person (she did apologise) then got all smug about me posting about my wife and I was a man (silly cow had the wrong person again) she did apologise again...

My Wife and I are very happy by the way LOL xxx

Cláudia said...

Doc, how many registered people are there on the pink place? How many post? How many were banned? How many are alter egos?

Unknown said...

Doc, was it Gentebreeze with a mouth like a truck driver, either way they are both seriously interested in researching paedophilia. Either Crito got incarerated with some paedos(this explains the long gaps between posts, sectioned) or, and this could be a real possibility too, she is PA to Marco and runs a blog pretending she is Spanish. He could not be arsed trying to find out what paedophile meant!

docmac said...

Viv

Yeah, that Maudlin had really bad luck. At least her dog lived till almost 30 if you remember. But, almost unbelievably, he then passed on too :-))))

hope4truth said...

Doc

One person 2 usernames that cant be right LOL

My it wasnt me was about wibble BTW xxx

Cláudia said...

"hope4truth said...
Viv

Maureen accused me of stalking her and advised I take a break. I kept telling her it wasnt me but she kept having a go until finaly she realised she had the wrong person (she did apologise) then got all smug about me posting about my wife and I was a man (silly cow had the wrong person again) she did apologise again...

My Wife and I are very happy by the way LOL xxx"

I'm PMSL here! Hope, that really is hilarious!!!!

docmac said...

Claudia, don't know. 5?

Viv, don't remember Gentlebreeze that well now. But Christabel was interested in tracing only three things: Paedos, Jehova's Witnesses and me :-)

hope4truth said...

Claudia

It was bloody anoying at the time but hysterical now LOL

Yes she was very unlucky in life as I remeber it xxx

Unknown said...

Claudia Hun,

If Sass's stats are correct, Rosie must have minus 74 posters by now on the basis 4 per week are banned by her for not doing as they are told and 2 have the cheek to just leave, although they do get emails demanding they return.

This might not be completely accurate because I have also had to use my own maths to work this out and they are about as good as Rosie's geography, law, latin etc etc etc. you know crap, but with me it is just the one affected areaxxxxx

docmac said...

OK Hope, so you don't 'wibble'. Who was that? It was really funny.

Need to fix some coffee.

Unknown said...

Doc and Co, I am reading you but am struggling topost back at the moment I am crying so much:-)))

The dog doc, just too much man!! Then Rosie's went too!

hope4truth said...

Doc

It could have been LGC I am not that funny...

xxx

hope4truth said...

Doc

Maybe wibble came from stella she used to be hope 4 you x

hope4truth said...

I am confused now (again it dont take much) but is Mum now against the rainbow and ribbons site???

Cláudia said...

Guys, you're making me ROTFLMAO here!

Unknown said...

Hope, when I saw Chinadoll writing the amazing adult little piece of prose:

liar, liar, pants on fire

I though whoa, Maudlin back, that is all I can seriously remember her posting about, she was keeping a record of the whole of the DE blog, big hard drive hey, to confront us with all our rotten lies, only thing is we kept getting the threat only. Um a true pro. I am still waiting for my letter, well it must actually be dozens of letters now, I am going to have a row with the postman and write several letters of complaint, not!

They have a legal phrase for people like Rosiepoops/ST/Bum/Maudlin etc "Vexatious Litigant". Someone who needs to be stopped from complaining because they are a bit sick!

Goncalo I still love you xxxxxxxxxxxx

docmac said...

I'd forgotten about Rosie's dog. Geez, these people see as many cadavers as Kate ?????

Now the legal sparrow is calling Sass a troll, on a troll blog! LOL

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Viv,

Lovely to be here! Have been around, if not necessarily posting.

So sorry that even the staunchest members of the Keep the McCanns Out of Jail Society can no longer sustain it...surely this can't mean we have a point???

:)

X

docmac said...

Was it Stella? Possibly. The thought of those two pencils up the nose while saying 'wibble, wibble' used to crack me up. I almost PMSL once but I'm a bit young for that ;-)

Unknown said...

Well Doc it is all in the statistics if you look isnt it, six bodies for Kate, 6 bodies a week for Rosiepops too, dogs they just deal with them two at a time but of course they have to die!

Hey PC Grime get 6 Rotweillers to guard those cute puppies !

Cheery stuff x

LittleGreyCell said...

Hope,

Yes you certainly ARE that funny... I distinctly remember your wife telling me.

:)))

X

hope4truth said...

Viv

OMG thats right she had every post ever posted (whatever floats your boat) well if she had a boat it probebly sunk the way her luck went..... x

Unknown said...

Hiya LGC

I think our point may be very similar to the one Sass was trying to make, do you think it all seems just a tad false!


xxxx

hope4truth said...

LGC

Has my wife been bothering you and Opus again I will have a word LOL x

Unknown said...

Hope I think a big hard drive may well have finished the poor woman off:-)))

Cláudia said...

docmac said...
Now the legal sparrow is calling Sass a troll, on a troll blog! LOL
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Hilarious!!!

nancy said...

LGC -

I must be psychic because I was wondering if you were alright as you hadn't blogged lately; turned on the blog and there you were, you and Opus safe and sound! Nice to see you back! We miss you.

Hope -

After reading what LGC had to say I went where angels fear to tread and read what ST wrote about you and in my opinion she or he (sounds more like a she) must be suffering from hallucinations to single you out for her latest rant. She obviously thinks you are so vulnerable, whereas I think you show more hidden strength than most of us on here. You certainly show your love of children in every blog.

All this stuff about Sass - is there another blog I am missing or is Supertroll's the only one? What happened to Mandz and Old Hippy too I wonder. I always enjoyed Rothaymere's posts too. Will the DE ever allow a Madeleine forum again - pigs might fly!!

To be quite honest I find Troll's blog as much use as a chocolate fireguard as far as finding justice for little Madeleine is concerned - they are batting for the wrong team all of them. I come on here because I want to see justice for that little girl the world seems to have forgotten, with the exception of people like Goncalo Amarel and all of us who take time to come on here so as to keep people's eyes open to what is going on in our supposedly democratic country, where a Masonic Lodge can hold everyone to ransom.

Well, after that rant, I'm off to watch a film, so till tomorrow - goodnight friends!


Nx

Unknown said...

Doc, I am a bit miffed, I cannot remember pencils up the nose and wibble wibble, was it when Felicity got barred:-)))

Nice name Doc!

docmac said...

Viv

To be serious for just one moment. That 6 bodies thing is absolute carp. I challenge anyone to find a FULL time GP who has on average attended more than one death every 3 months over the past year. 6 in one week for a part-timer? Sorry.

hope4truth said...

Doc

How can a person who sets up a web site be a troll on said web site??

They are not very bright really but now I have to ask myself just who is pulling their strings and who has sent what to copy and paste?

Why have they got to put Sass down is it not bad enough she cant post on her own blog anymore? x

LittleGreyCell said...

Hope,

No trouble to me, I can assure you, she just seems to home in on Opus with her (daily) herring casseroles. Wouldn't mind, but Docmac can apparently smell them from South Africa...

X

docmac said...

Hi and bye Nancy.

Yes, Mandz. Hmmm..

Unknown said...

Hey Doc, I think that is a little bit derogatory toward sparrows, they can be pretty cute little chaps and chappesses x Troll's blog is really black isn't it, ugh, mind you I went off pink in about the seventies, I think!

hope4truth said...

Hi Nancy (Bye Nancy)..

I only read a bit and got boered very funny though he must have spent ages wasting his time writing it LOL x

LittleGreyCell said...

Nancy,

Hello Ms Psychic! I'm always around, just don't always have the time to post. Hope you're well. X

Viv/Doc,

Was it Rat? Or Zodiac?

Unknown said...

Doc, I am going to take you up on that challenge about a GP seeing loads of dead bodies, here goes, hah, Dr Shipman! He has more than one thing in common with Kate McCann methinks x

Mind you in fairness he was a full time GP not a one and a half day a week locum, so Kate, well yes, she was going it a bit, even by Shipman's standards!

docmac said...

Hope, see if you can find the true meaning of the Afrikaans word 'dof'. As with many words in that language it is just so much more desacriptive than the equivalent word in English.

LittleGreyCell said...

Docmac,

Perhaps the dead body ratio demonstrates how the NHS is dumbing down in its training of GPs???

Unknown said...

Hope said
Why have they got to put Sass down is it not bad enough she cant post on her own blog anymore? x

I know this might sound daft but the only thing I can think of is they like to revel in just how vile they are! Murderers are like that!

docmac said...

LGC, I live 6.5km from SANCCOB. When the wind blows in the wrong direction... I really can't remember who the wibbler was.

Viv, Shipman. You got me ;-)

hope4truth said...

LGC

Thanks for putting up with Mr Hope when he dresses as Bridget every other Saturday...

He thinks he looks so hot but the dress looks much better on me!!!!

I bet the hearing can be smelt on the moon my house reaks when he visits for Herring Crispie Cakes...

xxx

docmac said...

LGC, let's not get into that debate :-(

Unknown said...

Well LGC

The government did cut GPs working hours and give them more pay which has cost over a billion apparently, so I guess it called for some pretty drastic measures, like leaving some on the books who seem to be damned good at getting rid of patients (excluding Kate McCann it would seem). All helps with the figures and balancing the books, don't you know!

x

Unknown said...

Viv, Shipman. You got me ;-)


nuh, nuh, na nuh nuh, Doc x

Unknown said...

Oooh Hope, I did a divorce once for a woman with a hubby like yours, he was in the papers dressed as a lorry driver and dressed in his wife's clothes. He used to insist she went to her mother's for hours every saturday afternoon but one day she came back early, then he just flipped and went to the papers, so did she!

If you have been affected by this you know you can email me confidentially and we can discuss it .. ST X

hope4truth said...

Viv

LOL

I wouldnet mind but he has better legs than me :o)

xxx

docmac said...

Viv and Hope

It's extremely common for women to don their mens' nice warm chunky clothes on a cold wintry weekend afternoon. So what's wrong with the man... OK, sorry. Was just thinking about something else and my fingers slipped :-)))

Unknown said...

More from Blogger Sass:

As mentioned above one poster was banned for a joking six-word e-mail which somehow one of the mods or admin got their hands on. This poster was then banned as was one of the recipients of this mail (seemingly for being a recipient). Yet, another poster rang up one of the banned posters at home and threatened her with violence. This poster is now being praised to the hilt by Rosie and wrote soon after the threatening phone call about the beauty of prayer for Madeleine and how important it is to stand up against wickedness!

To summarise, be a recipient of a joking e-mail and get thrown off the forum, ring someone up and threaten them with violence and be hailed as a gem!


TAKE CARE SASS, I THINK BUM21 WILL DO MORE THAN JUST PHONE YOU UP MATE! SHE WILL FEED YOU TO HER DUCKS AND BURY YOU IN HER HUUUUUUUUUUGE GARDEN XX

hope4truth said...

DOC

LOL...

Mr Hope is sat here completly unaware that I am taking the mick out of his lovely legs on line LOL

Will show him in a minute x

docmac said...

Well said HelenM 23:24 on ST.

PMSL (really) at Rosiepops at the same time. Oh what a card you are.

Bye Gina. See you soon (again).

Unknown said...

Oh God Hope don't show Hubby, that will be even more letters I can expect from Carta Muck x


x

Unknown said...

Oh Doc Hun, we are not talking about a nice big baggy shirt for decorating or a big warm jumper, oh no, we are talking sussies and silky things and fake tits and OMG, he just did not have the legs for it either !

LittleGreyCell said...

Well, too much excitement for me and the expanding penguin (piling it on for winter) so we're off to bed.

See you all soon!

XXX LGC and Magnum Opus

docmac said...

Oh my, Viv

I'm not going there.

docmac said...

Cheers LGC and your unusually scented friend. Happy fishing.

hope4truth said...

Viv

LOL

I will get my solicitor on to him to counter sue if he try's any of that rubbish x

Rori Hegarty said...

Night all, just popped in again before bed to see whats new. Viv you might seriously think about installing some emoticons on the blog because to be honest i have no words for what is going on with the girls !! Hope , you did make me laugh:))

Unknown said...

Goodnight LGC, hope you are not fattening OPUS up for Christmas.

Doc, I don't blame you!

Hope, sounds like the sort of messy cross praying divorce lawyers love! Also sounds like you know how to keep him in his place. So does Kate by all accounts !

Cherchez la femme!


xx

hope4truth said...

Hello Isis xxx

Night all I am off with Mr Hope to try on some clothes he thinks we are all mad as hatters but is pleased I like his legs LOL

See you xxx

Unknown said...

Hiya Isis,

I think their words are pretty emotive, if you can be bothered to read them all that is!

Hope has been making us all laugh, bless her! I bet she will be doing some more fardening tomorrow!

xx

docmac said...

Just been reading RP on ST again. Desperation, damage control, LIES. It's over RP. Give it up. You alienated those who swallowed your crap. Yes, they are still pro McCann. They have that right. But you and Traciebell have been exposed as manipulators and LIARS. Just let everyone be, eh?

Rori Hegarty said...

Viv, Hope, yes suppose so!! Hope ..enjoy the experience!!!

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

I popped on for a mo an hour go! Great posts! PMSL! Claudia thanks for posting Sassy's post. Sassy I have never seen that until now, WELL SAID! Docmac I am sure the wibbler was Dove. I was online when she posted that. She got attacked don't think G & K liked it.

Goodnight all read you tomorrow.

docmac said...

Oh my

Gina's back. Less than one hour after posting an intent to leave for a while. Welcome back (again)Gina. Heard of OCD?

docmac said...

The wibbler WAS Dove! Thanks foe refreshing my memory Zodiac! Goodnight to you and everyone else too.

Rori Hegarty said...

Night all , dont know why grown women cannot be more discreet. Is there really any need to be washing their dirty laundry on line??

docmac said...

Goodnight Isis

Prediction for next game: 3-0 :-))

Rori Hegarty said...

Doc, is the next game a league or champions league one?

Unknown said...

Hiya Isis

I confess I am completely at a loss to understand why they behave like that, it is incredibly petulant and childish, do they really think anyone cares or is impressed. At least they give us a bit of light entertainment, but really they are ...(!)

Rori Hegarty said...

Indeed Viv, rather like car crash tv really.

docmac said...

Isis

It's Wigan at home, EPL.

Rori Hegarty said...

Doc, il hedge my bets on that one!!

docmac said...

I just need sleep and now RP comes up with this pearler.

Sass you have lost it, really you have, now pack it in for God's sake everyone is laughing at you and I find it incredibly sad how you are totally undermining yourself in public.

It's almost like a copy and paste of what he has always said to me :-)) Scripted? LOL!!

docmac said...

It's not Hull (shudder) :-))

Viv, read Rosie and MT's last two posts re Sass. Quite hilarious.

Goodnight again. xx

Cláudia said...

Doc, they are all pissed because they have been exposed. That's all. When it was us calling them liars, it couldn't be true because we are 'antis'. But all of a sudden, they do to their own what is in their nature to do. Everybody knows they are liars. The only people who still believe the gang are its members. And those seem to be dropping like flies. It's quite pathetic, to be honest.

Did Gina pull a Gina? 'I'm leaving, I don't belong anywhere anyway, 'I don't know what's going on so I won't get involved' and then return 10 minutes later after her farewell? :-))))

Rori Hegarty said...

Doc, good job!! they really are on a roll and just promoted to. Night all.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, all.

Viv and Doc, beijinhos. Durmam bem.

Unknown said...

Doc, if Rosie learned the art of self-analysis, developed some insight into his behaviour he would not make quite such a fool of himself, or sound like such an aggressive, anti-social, hypocrite. As I know from working with offenders trying to get people like him to become more self aware instead of self absorbed can be a really up-hill battle!

He really should just ask himself the question, do my posts make me sound like a nice normal person, and honestly listen to the answer! But just like Kate and Gerry McCann he is not listening..

Viv x

docmac said...

Viv

See MT's post at 00:33. Who really wrote that? ;-)

Notice nobody attacking me directly now after I posted LIAR on a number of occasions?

Having said that, they'll be back on my case later today! LIARS!!

xxx

Unknown said...

Hiya Doc,

I can remember on the DE and their other blog when they used to spend all night every night doing nothing but write abuse about me but now they hardly bother. I think with you and me both, they know they just sound like repetitive little bores who just cannot keep up, so they give up!

Supertroll knows he demonstrated a clear obsession with me and so now has to devote his blog to the Pros tearing into each other, it is quite hysterical really as are the odd comments they still make about me. E.g. troll does not seem to realise it is possible to get degrees post children lol! How stupid and how morbid to be pontificating on when I gave birth and when my birthday is etc, still stalking really, just not admitting it so much!

Unknown said...

Hiya Doc

I quite like them pontificating about me, it gives me something to laugh at that they are so obsessed and clueless:-)))

I suppose if you do not have a life of your own you may fixate on someone else's and even copy their blog. "I beg to differ" (from my blog) "an open letter" (from Alsabella's) Pathetic stalker studies other's blogs and tries to copy but has no class, no brain, no style, just a stalker! Sad!

Unknown said...

It is a terrible insult really to suggest that ST/Psychopops could be Gerry McCann, he surely could not be that stupid!

Chinadoll however is another matter, she can clearly be quite clever when she is not in an abusive rage, I think she is far more to be taken seriously as "one of them".

xx

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