23 Oct 2008

Leonor Cipriano "Torture" Trial /THE MOTHER WHO PRO MCCANN "ROSIEPOPS" GRIMLY "PREDICTS" WILL SOON BE RELEASED FROM JAIL

Updated thread with a great story I have copied from Joana Morais blog, which always has the best stories, immediately! THANKS JOANA X

24/10/08

Leonor Cipriano "Torture" Trial - Correio da Manhã




Process – PJ’s entry register places arguidos outside the building

Outside of the PJ at time of beatings

Leonor Cipriano states that she was beaten before 8 p.m., the time at which the three men who stand accused of torture entered the PJ

by José Carlos Marques

The register of entries and exits at the Faro Directory of the Polícia Judicária, which CM has had access to, reveals that the three inspectors who stand accused of torture over Leonor Cipriano, between 6 and 8 p.m. on the 14th of October 2004, were not inside the building during the period when Joana’s mother says she was beaten up.

The three of them arrived at precisely 8 p.m. – just like António Cardoso, who stands accused of falsifying a document. Concerning Gonçalo Amaral, who according to the Public Ministry failed to denounce the torture and gave a false testimony, he arrived at the PJ after 9.40 pm.

There was a clock on the wall of the room where Leonor Cipriano says she was beaten. When she was heard at Faro court on the 17th of October 2007, Leonor explained that the aggressions started between 5 and 6 pm and extended “over two hours, two hours and a bit”.

Leonor’s statements collide with the registry of entries and exits of the Faro Judiciária’s employees. According to that document, on the 14th, the seven inspectors from the major crime combat unit, including the three who stand accused, only arrived at 8 pm. All together.

The Public Ministry accuses Leonel Marques, Marques Bom and Pereira Cristóvão of torture, although the accusation dispatch refers that the aggressions were not inflicted by themselves, but rather by “unidentified individuals”. The accusation states that they acted “from a decision, following instructions and upon agreement” with the three arguidos, and that those “created conditions for the effect”.

The defense maintains that Leonor tried to throw herself down the stairwell at around 1 am. She was led to the Odemira Health Centre by the PJ on the following day, where she was assisted and then returned to prison. Before the supposed aggressions, on the 14th of October, Leonor had already confessed to killing her daughter.

Jurors’ vote equals judges’

The jurors that were chosen by Faro Court have a vote that is equal to those of each of the three judges, in order to decide if the accused inspectors should be condemned or acquitted. They are a taxi driver, a municipal fireman, a golf course receptionist and a finance technician, aged between 28 and 50. They started out as a group of one hundred, from where 18 persons were chosen. Ten were excluded by the inspectors’ lawyers, by Leonor’s lawyer and by the Public Ministry until only eight, four effective and four supplemental jurors, remained.

Direct speech – Carlos Anjos, President of the PJ’s Union

“I have never seen the Lawyers’ Bar defending policemen”

Correio da Manhã – What’s your opinion about the trial?

Carlos Anjos – The process started out upside down. It did not originate from a complaint by Joana’s mother. It originated from photographs that were published in a newspaper. There was almost an attempt to walk into this situation.

- Political intentions?

- It’s a recurrent theme, which is no longer justified. Above everything, I believe in my colleagues. They didn’t beat her. But there are people out there who promoted themselves to saviours of the homeland; someone who attained notoriety by making denunciations without proof.

- How do you see the participation of the Lawyers’ Bar as an assistant?

- There are approximately 200 processes where policemen complained of being aggressed. What I would like to know is if the Bar is going to become an assistant in said processes. I have never seen the Head of the Bar worried about the aggressions that victimize policemen. I have never seen the Bar defending policemen, or concerned about what happened to Joana or Maddie.

Directors on the witness stand

The joint national directors of the Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Guilhermino Encarnação (head of the Faro PJ) and Luís Neves (head of the Major Crime unit), are two out of more than 40 witnesses that were called to the stand by the defense of the five inspectors that are on trial.

These two high-ranking officials have already coordinated many cases in which the accused men were involved. And Santos Cabral, the PJ’s national director at the time, is going to witness in writing.

Among the witnesses, names like Marques Vidal, a jubilated judge and former general director of the PJ, Albano Pinto, a former joint national director of the PJ, and Orlando Romano, a public prosecutor and former national director of the PSP, stand out. The surprise factor was the call for João Grade, former lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, who decided to change her defense lawyer at the last minute.

source: Correio da Manhã, 24.10.2008, paper edition




Cláudia said...

I would just like to remind the child killer lovers that João Cipriano had been in jail several times before. One of them for attempted homicide, in 1993, which got him four years in jail.


After all, according to the Pro-McCanns those parents who violently bash their kids up the wall and then mercilessly dispose of the body in an attempt to get away with it do not deserve to go to prison! No they believe the dedicated Police Officer who put them there, Goncalo Amaral should go to prison instead. I recommend they seek psychiatric help!!

What happened to Madeleine for both dogs to mark her death behind the sofa, up against the wall and for blood spray to be all up the walls? Is this why they seek to say Leonor and her brother who she liked to have sex with should go free, just like Kate and Gerry McCann are free? Well I know people who support this blog believe child killers deserve custody, nothing complicated about that to normal people.




Correio de Manha 23.10.08

Process - Inspectors from the PJ accused of torture
Leonor Cipriano confessed death of their daughter Jeanne
Jeanne took the mother and uncle naked on the couch at the time was preparing to have sex. As soon as the child of eight years threatened to tell all the companion of Leonor, and this brother, John, attacked her with slap so violent that hit his head on a wall and died there in the house of the village of Figueira, in Plymouth, where lived with the stepfather and two half-brothers.

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Unknown said...

Anyway Doc,


Do you know what has happened to Bum21? Has she gone into hibernation for the winter? Where have her ducks gone or did they only just arrive?

xxx

Unknown said...

Claudia, I am so sorry there Hun, I forgot my place:-))))

docmac said...

Yep, those 'excuses' were in the papers here too. Christabel will find them. In 2034.

Unknown said...

What? As soon as that Doc!

xx

docmac said...

Don't know about Bum, Viv. Hadn't noticed her absence to be honest.

Unknown said...

Doc, it is like they put Bum back in the box and get Bark and Chrito back out again, the only common denominator, string puller, whatever, being Psychopops, the Master Ranter who still did not look up the meaning of succinct and I really tried to help xx

Unknown said...

Doc, Bark seems very fired up on the law of criminal evidence I have been giving him tips on but I still do not think he quite gets it, forgivable because you cannot really impart such a complex subject in a few blog posts..He says:

n a criminal invesigation , evidence is something that can be produced in court to help the court reach a verdict .

So the dogs did not produce any evidence .

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Mark dear did you ever hear of video evidence being produced in court? Trust me on this one, it really does happen, PC Grime the ahem businessman would be there too:-)))

docmac said...

Viv

Pulling the names out of a hat is a trick that has been around for a while ;-)

Gonna be busy for a while. Someone wants a curry. Home made, mind :-)) It's the only thing besides omelette that I could ever hope to do better than her :-(

Unknown said...

Well Doc, I love both, so it seems a long flight South may be in order after all xx see ya hun !

Unknown said...

Rosie, I think you will understand that better if I say North West :-)))

Unknown said...

Strange the way posts are appearing on Troll's blog but he is not there, did you lose the key, Troll??

docmac said...

Well to be fair I have to call Bark 'Mark' for the two posts I've just read on ST. Could not agree more. We can still disagree about the other dogs some time in the future.

docmac said...

Viv, you do not want to taste what she makes. You'd never leave :-)

Those onions are sweating now.

Ate amanha.

Unknown said...

Doc, that is kind of you to agree with Bark, we are kind, I even agreed with Bum the other day on a certain issue, it does happen:-))


You are making me very hungry and as for staying permanently in SA, I can see advantages to thatxxxxx

If LP are not looking for Maddie or what happened to her then that means that no one is..I do not think it is just LP that are concerned here, many more agencies were referred to

Ate amanha, I am just trying to do a bit of woodwork but alas it has been many years since I felt fit enough to actually do that. I just want a perfect bathroom too without calling that expensive carpenter back! Almost done, Luke has cleared off to my brother's to help him with computing, wiring etc so I did not bother to go:-))

xx

docmac said...

Viv, take an LSD trip. Look, See and Decide. I'll sell you the house at Breede River mouth at a good price. But only if you give me two weeks rent-free at the cottage down the lane every year :-)

docmac said...

Um, just been invited to share some food :-)

Goodnight all.

BTW Dyl, hope you're OK xxx.

Unknown said...

Blumming heck Doc, I thought for a minute you were asking me to concentrate on the colours pink and purple and go completely psychedelic:-)

Stop giving them clues, you will give Crito a brainstorm:-)))

nancy said...

I love conspiracy programmes and I just finished watching a great programme on BBC 2 about a supposed conspiracy on the 3rd tower that fell down on 9/11! It was situated behind the twin towers. The way it fell disputes the reason as being through a fire, but more likely to have been detonated. It was originally offices for the CIA, FBI, other government departments, and various millionaire companies, one of which was owned by a man who had insured the twin towers! If you get the chance, watch it - well worth seeing!

Conspiracies are happening much more frequently than most of us realise and the Madeleine case is high on my list of being a probability. Even if didn't start off as one, all that has happened since certainly confirms to me that it is one. So many discrepancies,downright lies and silence from the British media who have obviously been hushed up by people who have the clout to do so. I can't believe it's just because they are frightened of being sued either because they would sell enough papers to cover expenses incurred.

Am I being paranoid? I don't think so.

Goodnight everyone - sleep well!



Nx

Unknown said...

Hiya Nancy

I thought it was very odd that the Portuguese Judge Frias and even his superior at the Appeal Court would not allow the Prosecution's request for details of Gerry's mobile calls and texts. Was that some sort of conspiracy, I dont know but such requests have been granted in Portugal before and would most certainly have been granted in UK!

I believe there was always a plan that this case would not be dealt with in Portugal and Amaral wanted more information than British Police were prepared to hand over. He was not prepared to play politics he just wanted to prosecute the case in Portugal.


xx

Cláudia said...

Hi, all.
Haven't been around much for the obvious reasons.
Just wanted to wish you all Boa Noite.
xxxx
Viv. beijinhos e dorme bem.

docmac said...

NO WONDER THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BOOKLET DID NOT WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED! said...

Rosie is SHOUTING at lots of people. Still using very long names too, just like her posts. And still making 'typos'.

docmac said...

eg:

HEY WHEN YOU LOT ARE HAULED THROUGH THE COURT, WHEREEVER THAT WILL BE, I AM GOING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY AND I AM GOING TO WATCH YOU GET CONVICTED OF LIBEL AND LOSE YOUR HOUSES. NOW THERE IS SOMETHING I WOULD PAY MONEY TO WATCH!

26 October 2008 23:04

Whereever, wheneever, whateever, whoeever. Lose my house? See you theeeere :-)))))

docmac said...

Oh, goodnight Claudia. You need rest.

These Brits though. They change their clocks and go straight to sleep ;-)

Cláudia said...

Hey, Doc!
Still around? Was preparing to go to bed but had to go downstairs. My dear neighbour was refusing to take one of the pills (he can be very stubborn especially with his wife). She always calls me when there is a need to convince him to do something and up until now it has worked. I just had to gently tell him that he needed the pill or he could get worse and need to go to the hospital.

docmac said...

Yep, still here. You should go with the gent's wishes IMO. It's palliative care, not Rx.

docmac said...

In response to the 23:04 post above, ST's reply was:

Blogger supertroll said...

Anon 23.04,

I would pay money to watch that too. I bet they are all a right bunch of weirdos.


There you go. Says it all, really.

Cláudia said...

He really needs the pill, Doc. I don't want to go into too much detail here, but he has got an open wound. He jus doesn't want to take it because it was his wife who asked him!

Cláudia said...

And I just realised that I have a page of something to translate before I go to bed. Great.

Cláudia said...

Hey, Doc, I trust you to keep me posted. Due to the obvious reasons I have/will probably miss most of what's going on.
Tomorrow we are trying to find someone to help my neighbour's wife. Maybe hiring someone full time or contacting private caring institutions which have nurses and doctors who help people at home. The state offers help but mostly to people who cannot pay.

docmac said...

Let him go in his own way and in his own time, Claudia. He's a big boy. If you want to discuss this further please mail me.

Happy translating ;-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, most of the times now he is not even himself anymore. I'll probably e-mail you tomorrow with more details. He hates the hospital and does not want to go there (I can understand him). But if he refuses the medication, he'll be there in a couple of days.
Two paragraphs done! :-)

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, Doc.
Beijinhos e dorme bem.

docmac said...

Then you will have to mail me the details because even if there are reasons to keep him alive they can't really be relevant at his age. Especially if he wants to go.

Cláudia said...

Doc, he doesn't want to go...
He thinks he is not that sick (when he is oriented). He refuses the medication when he is not himself. The doctors warned it could happen because it is metastized.

docmac said...

As I said, mail me.

Cláudia said...

I will, Doc. probably tomorrow. Maybe then Ill have some news on the contacts we will try to make.
Time to go to bed!
Dorme bem, amigo.
Muitos beijinhos! E obrigada!

docmac said...

Dorme bem, amiga.

Unknown said...

Hey guys just dropped back in, Claudia I am sorry you are having such trauma but IMO I think he really does need the pain killers so that he is not suffering terrible pain. Also I do not think you can reason with someone who is disoriented and very ill.

As far as Rosie screaming at people they will be convicted for libel, how silly! There is no criminal offence of libel, so stop dreaming about public galleries and nicking peoples' housing off them Rosie, the McCanns have already nicked enough of other peoples' money and theft is a criminal offence. Time they stopped cashing in on their dead daughter with nearly a million pounds in the bank and zero, zilch private investigators looking for Madeleine. Just who are you trying to kid with your barmy threats! Grow up and stop shouting such silly childish rubbish!

xxx

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Claudia,

My thoughts are with you and all who are suffering at this time.

Lia x

docmac said...

Oh Viv

You should go and have a look at the 00:20 post. You and I are not the biggest Bennett fans, but his goals have got Rosie absolutely spitting with rage.

hope4truth said...

Morning ALL

Am I going to loose my house??? Gosh I thought that if parents negelceted their children they were the scum bags not people who think they were evil people for doing so???

Oh well it will be intresting to get them into the court room to answer some very simple questions about how I am wrong for stating Neglect is wrong and a few other things I have to ask them...

When I loose of course it will be sad to loose my home but what will be even sadder is Child Neglectors the country over will all be out at the pub that night leaving their children home alone celebrating they dont have to care for their children and if anything should happen to them it will be the Polices fault and if anyone dares to say they are evil they can sue them and make losts of money...

Very odd that with all the shouting from M3 about how close they were to finding Madeleine they never rescued any other chidren from the discusting perverts that were holding them???

I am off on Holiday for a few days if I can get my laptop to go WiFi may pop in... Very tiered this morning went to Wembley yesterday with my American Football mad Husband it was an experience (one I wont be repeating) but he loved it there was more music and cheerleading than football had excelent seats but each quater of 15 minutes seemed to go on forever when they kept stopping the clock...

See you all soon xxx

docmac said...

Hi Hope

"but he loved it there was more music and cheerleading than football"

There's your answer :-)) Enjoy your holiday. We are doing the same, starting on friday. Don't tell Viv ;-)

Claudia

See Zodiac's post above in case you missed it.

Anonymous said...

'HEY WHEN YOU LOT ARE HAULED THROUGH THE COURT, WHEREEVER THAT WILL BE, I AM GOING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY'

(Why don't you travel to help with a reconstuction?

'AND I AM GOING TO WATCH YOU GET CONVICTED OF LIBEL AND LOSE YOUR HOUSES. NOW THERE IS SOMETHING I WOULD PAY MONEY TO WATCH!'

(Why did you not watch your child? Why do you not actually pay for someone to find the child? Why don't you use your own money to do it?)

What a pathetic dipstick you are Rosipoopertrollalrodobymumhippy!

Just in case I ever see a flock of flying pigs. Our family home is in trust for our children. We have no mortgage. Our second home is my husbands, he inherited it. Any possessions I have will be distributed to all my family and friends with the exception of one of the two books I will buy in the near future by the well known author Goncalo Amaral. I will keep one of those books personally for myself. This book will be the only possession I will have to my name. I will glady hand that book over to those who live in cloud cuckoo land. When I see the flying pigs I will use a borrowed highlighter pen to score through all the pertinent points that those in cloud cuckoo land cannot seem to grasp.

docmac said...

"Rosipoopertrollalrodobymumhippy"

You're on a roll, gal. Keep going :-))

Shite, just heard the noon gun and I'm miles away. Got a bit of a fright there.

Anonymous said...

Hope, Doc and Viv enjoy your holidays. Doc is Salma going with you?

docmac said...

No, Zodiac. I swapped her for a new cooker. She didn't speak to me and her mouth was a really odd shape :-))

We're off to our other other home in Ile Maurice! You should go there one day :-))

Anonymous said...

Docmac,

Ah poor Salma she will be feeling let down!

Have a lovely time with your family.

docmac said...

She will get over it zodiac. Maddie never had that choice :-(

Thanks btw. It's another plane nightmare for me but it's only a little more than four hours!

Off now, swim time.

Hope you all have a fantastic day.

hope4truth said...

Doc

LOL if he thinks I am wearing hotpants and a tiny top at 38 he can forget it (dont mind waving some pom poms if that floats his boat)...

Zodiac well said... What amazes me about each one of these god awful parents is the fact they think everyone else is to blame bar them...

Each and every person in that party is responsible for what happend to Madeleine IF she was abducted and it could have been any one of their children. IF Madeleine had an accident and died each and every one of them are again responsible for going along with such a crap parenting style and it could have been any one of their children...

IF something more evil happend to the poor child by her parents hands I guess they could not have prevented it but if they are covering for either of them then they have Madeleines blood on their hands. Their children were still in a very dangerous postion thanks to their neglect.

God forbid anything ever happend to my girls but I would be analysing everything I have ever done thinking IF ONLY the fact they have not once showed remorse for leaving her alone to be taken is very daming...

See you in court (must check suits we dont want to clash)... xxx

Anonymous said...

Hope,

If one of our children had disappeared in the same circumstances. Do you think we would still have our liberty? Do you think we would still have control over publicly donated money? Would we be controlling what the UK Press/Media can and cannot say about us? The whole thing stinks. They think they can treat the populus of the world like mushrooms ie: feed them sh*te and keep them in the dark. Well thankfully that is not the case. The more anyone tells me I cannot have an opinion then the more I will voice it!

'See you in court (must check suits we dont want to clash)...'

LOL! I hope we get plenty of notice. I will want to diet and detox to look my best. As I will have no possessions will I be able to borrow an outfit from you?

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

LOL you can borrow what ever you want and we can leave the court with nothing on as I am sure taking the shirts from our backs is more important to some than the welfare of very very small children...

Actually if they take my business as well we can live off the state something I have never done but if my taxes go to supporting child neglect not sure I want to pay the vast sum's I do every year any more...

If the BNP ever come to power I have vowed to become destitute as I could not posibly support racist morons...

I have stopped supporting the NSPCC as I once did as the neglect of all of those children on that holiday is something I thought they would care about. FULL STOP but not if a 3 year old is missing in very strange circumstances...

I know they cant comment on individual cases but they could have been very vocal about the Law and how leaving a child alone even for a few minutes whilst you pop off to the shops for some milk is very dangerous.

The 3 year old boy who was rescues from a fire is in care his Mother was arested (and so she should have been) he was in as much danger as Madeleine but reading between the lines I really dont belive the people who should care about her do...

And that and the fact I am being told who and what I am by some god fearing looney is why I will keep it up...

Justice for all children they should come first each and every time no matter who their parents are...

xxx

Cláudia said...

Thank you, Zodiac. And Doc.
xxxx

bath theory said...

The fundamental point here is that the parents of a missing child have acted in a strange and inapproriate way for many people who are citizens of this planet.

The reluctance to be honest about being neglectful of their 3 children under 4yrs of age, their apparent lack of search for Madeleine that first evening, the shutter story changing plus eggman drawing etc and two expert sniffer dogs finding bloodspats and smelling death in the apartment etc.

Under these circumstances (together with many more 'interesting' points) it is not exactly suprising a huge amount of people are sceptical of the couple and their friends/family. Thus it is entirely reasonable that questions are simply asked and questions on behalf of a missing girl are sought. Statistically speaking those closest to children lost are usually involved so why not this time? However this sensible rational line seems to be 'unacceptable' and 'shocking' but WHY? It is the sort of behaviour and claim we see in people nowadays who falsely further claim you are being rude when you politely and calmly assert your position or indeed question politely and calmly as to why something happened.

The only defence is to claim rudeness on behalf of the questio n putter etc. However, when one is assertive in a firm and direct polite way it is not rude is it, it is showing the other person you cant be fooled and therefore they have no where to go except the truthful honest path. BUT the truth hurts these type of people who act this way. They would rather lie or be deceitful to stop themselves being exposed or their mask being unpeeled.

Being threatened is the next response. But why would people who raise the possibility something awful happened that night be spoken of in this way. Most likely once again because someone has something to hide or perhaps money is being paid to people to write/talk in this threatening way. This couple have money available from rich backers and could well be using it that way. Maybe what is being covered or blurred is too big a secret to want to share. Who knows? but someone does that is for sure.

If these parents were truly innocent 100 per cent I am inclined to believe they would not be following the path they have done media wise, body language wise, lawyer wise etc. They would certainly have not evaded police questions in Portugal and would not have bolted home like they did.

Time will tell. I give it 3yrs before the truth will out. Someone close will have a breakdown and will want to share the secrets of that week to redeem their soul. It is only my opinion and it may well be wrong but it is a firm belief. I wish all well who follow this case especially those who question quietly and calmly.

JFM

Di said...

Sorry I have not been around for a couple of days, so have just done some reading back.

This was interesting posted by Slopping Out on 3A's.

So that's where the fund money is going, no wonder they are desperate for donations.



I have found out at least one journo on a major is in the pocket/ pay of the McCanns.[ Allegedly]
They also are in the pay of a British group APPARENTLY,who are overrated but are in the top 10 again somehow , to write good reviews , and make them sound like the new oasis !.
So the fund Has been spent wisley ,ALLEGEDLY, the person is not getting a lot ,but the ammount is reletive, and yet again the figure of £ 200 , is mentioned . [ can get nice cosmetics for that !]what is it with LONDON AND THAT AMMOUNT ? AND WHY DO THEY PREFER COKE ,RATHER THAN PEPSI ?
In my opinion a cirtain person , has nobbled the press ,not by fear , but by back handers , and by having inside info to the weak ones ,and the gullable , the ones with debt , and the ones with secrets , it has made the task easier , why did i not think of that . thats how in my opinion they have managed to minipulate the press.

SORRY ABOUT THE DISCLAIMERS BUT , IF i could i;d name and shame this person now, i know them well , does not suprise me ,this person is living above there means, in city , problem with fizzy drinks ! and some big time charley asking you to put out story , and a few quid to embelish , imo , coupled with social snobbery , and the media is secure .

Unknown said...

Hiya all

Well Rosie is certainly upset by the activities of Mr Bennett. Have you seen a book he is writing in chapters Gerry McCann a Reverie? Well he says someone else is writing it with a strange name!

As for the McCanns apparently going for peoples' houses, they had better act quickly. Reports indicate that by 2009 the value of homes will have dropped by 25%. Also those who have bought very expensive properties with very high loans will be facing a negative equity situation. Now let me think was it 5 or 6 hundred thousand with a £2000 per month mortgage, oh dear, no wonder they are going for us more prudent souls who do not have a mortgage, well according to Rosie, anyway!

Whilst Mr Bennett is doing much to publicise why we think the McCanns are guilty of more than neglect he is also behaving in a very similar way to the McCanns in making himself infamous and cashing in. I can only think of one reason he would be doing that and it is not a good one.


xx

ICantThinkOfAName said...

I've ordered 2 copies of Tony Bennett's book from Amazon as is is almost as cheap to buy 2 with free postage as buying one.

The second copy I can pass on.

Just waiting for "The Book" to be available.

Unknown said...

Blogger Rosie screams:

THE MACCANSS ARE INNOCENT, LEAVE THEM ALONE.

GUILTY PEOPLE DO NOT TRY AND HIRE THE BEST DETECTIVES TO SEARCH FOR A CHILD, THEY MURDERED.

THINK ABOUT IT. IF THEY WERE GUILTY, THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE HIRED AND INTEND TO HIRE IN THE FUTURE WOULD WITHOUT A DOUBT END UP DISCOVERING WHAT THEY DID TO THEIR OWN DAUGHTER AND THEY WOULD END UP PROSECUTED BY THEIR OWN PRIVATE DETECTIVES.

----

Calm down a bit Rosie. You make sweeping statements when in a rage that do suffer simple analysis. Why would Metodo 3, a Fraud investigation firm and the only firm who agreed with Gerry McCann that Madeleine had been abducted by paedophiles "prosecute him". Members of that firm have been prosecuted for criminal activity. This firm have, allegedly received a million pounds from The Find Maddie Fiddle, why would they bite the hand that has fed them so well? Additonally, ordinary people cannot prosecute for a criminal offence, that has to be done by the Police and Prosecution authorities. As you do not understand the law why do you keep pronouncing on it?

Then we have Mr Halligen, a firm set up in 2007, who has now been given the boot, again, having taken a huge sum of money from the Fund. What would either of these firms do to find the truth?

Why do you speak of future firms given it is now 18 months since Madeleine disappeared and they have £800,000 in the kitty. Why are they not spending that money on decent investigators RIGHT NOW or better still 18 months ago?

I do not think you have any answers to the above, but you can scream again I suppose!

xx

Di said...

GA's book is now available on the Web in pdf form, and in Portuguese, thanks to Mercedes2 for posting on 3A's.

="http://sharetoweb.planetaclix.pt/MADDIE_AVDM.ZIP">LINK

Di said...

Oooh that didn't work.

Di said...

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=25027

Sorry about that this is the link to Mercedes thread.

I wish I could read Portuguese!

Di said...

LINK

Link seems to be working now.

docmac said...

Thank you Di!

Yes Viv, Rosie is seriously upset. As evidenced by the REALLY long posts, the REALLY long 'usernames' and the SHOUTING. And the subsequent posts using just the name 'anon' if the post is going to be REALLY long again or his blogger name if it's to be short.

There are two others using various multi-word usernames too. Any guesses? ;-)

Cláudia said...

Hi, all.
Just to let you know that today, in court, Leonor Cipriano, the convicted child killer, stated that she was tortured but that she doesn't know exactly when or by whom. That's it, then.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

Hope your neighbour is comfortable and his wife and yourself are not too tired with the nursing.

docmac said...

The convicted child killer can't remember the 'time' as per her original statement then? OK, she'll be free to walk by the time Viv dips her toes in a warm sea later this week. Back to her cell to serve the rest of her sentence I mean.

Di said...

Hi Doc

You're welcome I got there in the end ;o))

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, thank you.
Very difficult times, my friend. Probably going to hospital again. :-(

Doc, it seems she was confronted with that little 'problem' about tha fact that she confessed first and was 'tortured' afterwards to confess something she had already confessed. Apparently her answer was that she does not exactly recall when she was 'tortured'. Several people beat the crap out of you, you're seen by a doctor, the prison director takes photos of you and sends them to the press (instead of making a criminal complaint) and you still don't remember when you were 'tortured'. She also doesn't know by whom...

Di said...

Hi Claudia

Loss of memory and embellishing the truth, several Tappas come to mind as well.

Sorry your neighbour is going through difficult times, I am sure you are really appreciated, bless you Claudia for your kindness.

Di said...

Tapas :o((

Cláudia said...

Di, thank you.
It's no sacrifice at all, Di. I just wish it wouldn't be necessary.

Di said...

Claudia

Sadly, these things are taken out of our hands.

Cláudia said...

I know, Di.
xxxx

docmac said...

So she's a LIAR, Claudia.

Sorry, went with my mate to the beach so he could have a little spliff (two, actually) without the neighbours complaining. I did a Clinton. Took a drag but didn't inhale ;-)

Cláudia said...

LOL
From what I'be heard today's session in court was a blast. I'm glad leonor is so stupid. She is a terrible liar. And there is something about the photos. From what Iv'e heard on RTPN, Leonor said she was only photographed once, by the same camera, by the same person (the prison director). But in the process there are photos with Leonor in the same position and clothes but with 'different' bruises. Some ligther, some darker, etc...

Cláudia said...

Off for a bit.

Di said...

Doc

You are naughty ;o))

docmac said...

big_l is still a funny bugger :-))

docmac said...

Di, what are you trying to say? :-))

Claudia, the woman does look just a little dense in the pictures I have seen of her.

bath theory said...

Doc
U have e-mail from me

Di said...

Doc

Am I reading your post wrong?

Sorry, I did say I had not read back, apologies:o(( blushes, blushes and more blushes.

Di said...

Doc

:o)))

Well lots of the fund money spent on Blusher then :o)))))))))

bath theory said...

The fundamental point here is that the parents of a missing child have acted in a strange and inapproriate way for many people who are citizens of this planet.

The reluctance to be honest about being neglectful of their 3 children under 4yrs of age, their apparent lack of search for Madeleine that first evening, the shutter story changing plus eggman drawing etc and two expert sniffer dogs finding bloodspats and smelling death in the apartment etc.

Under these circumstances (together with many more 'interesting' points) it is not exactly suprising a huge amount of people are sceptical of the couple and their friends/family. Thus, it is entirely reasonable that questions are simply asked and answers on behalf of a missing girl are sought. Statistically speaking those closest to children lost are usually involved so why not this time?

However this sensible rational line seems to be 'unacceptable' and 'shocking' but WHY? It is the sort of behaviour and claim we see in people nowadays who falsely further claim you are being rude when you politely and calmly assert your position or indeed question politely and calmly as to why something happened.

The only defence for such folk is to claim rudeness on behalf of the question asker etc. However, when one is assertive in a firm and direct polite way it is not rude is it, it is showing the other person you can't be fooled and therefore they have nowhere to go except the truthful honest path. BUT the truth hurts this type of person who has learnt to act in this way. They would rather lie or be deceitful to stop themselves being exposed or their mask being unpeeled.

Being threatened is the next response they use. But why would people who raise the possibility of something awful happening that night be spoken of in this way. Most likely it is that because someone has something to hide or perhaps money is being paid to people to write/talk in this threatening way. This couple have money available from rich backers and could well be using it that way. Maybe what is being covered or blurred is too big a secret to want to share. Who knows? but someone does - that is for sure.

If these parents were truly innocent 100 per cent I am inclined to believe they would not be following the path they have done media wise, body language wise, lawyer wise etc. They would certainly have not evaded police questions in Portugal and would not have bolted home like they did.

Time will tell. I give it 3yrs before the truth will out. Someone close will have a breakdown and will want to share the secrets of that week to redeem their soul. It is only my opinion and it may well be wrong but it is a firm belief. I wish all well who follow this case especially those who question quietly and calmly.

JFM

bath theory said...

Just a few changes from my original post. I firmly believe someone close to this story will breakdown mentally and tell the facts and I believe it will happen in around 3 yrs time when they simply can't hold issues in anymore. (IMHO) Sooner or later someone will break.

Unknown said...

Hiya BT

There could be an immense straing on a relationship when one chooses to persist in her lies to support a couple of child killers but the other wants nothing to do with Kate and Gerry McCann and propoganda played out on the steps of the High Court. Let us hope he does find the appropriate way to deal with his conscience!

Hiya to rest, just got in from meal and going to read back


Viv x

docmac said...

No Di. I just didn't inhale Honest ;-))

Hi BT.

Agree 100%. Have replied to your e-mail.

Unknown said...

thanks for link to Big L's ideas for a halloween bash Doc, especially loved:

yeah or lets all take the pishout the mccanns by running round rothley with george harrison masks on =)) =)) =))

docmac said...

Viv, LOL! Didn't see that one. Oh lordy!

Di said...

Doc.

Lol. What a waste.

Off now.

See you all tomorrow enjoy your evening.

bath theory said...

New series of Spooks great !! as well as CSI Miami and the very tacky Hoem and Away they are my current favourites on tv. See ya all later

docmac said...

"And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, how would that be our fault?"

This quote from the male Dr McCann makes me nauseous every time I read it :-( Pretty sure the pros would invent something to defend it though.

As someone on 3A hinted at, it would be very interesting to see the McCanns sue Anthony Bennett. For them to win the case the judge would really have to declare that leaving 3 very young children night after night to go on the piss is a perfectly acceptable parenting practice. Um...

docmac said...

Bye Di and BT.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Doc.
Dense is a polite way to say it. She is as thick as it gets.

Neighbour has just been transported to hospital again.

docmac said...

Claudia, sorry.

Hope he goes quickly and with little pain.

hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

I am on holiday after 5 hours of travel and very excited that my mobile internet works first time I have tested it so thought I would say goodnight all...

Claudia I hope your neighbour is ok and his wife take care xxx

Night all (BT great post BTW) havent read the update yet but read the original before I left...

xxx

docmac said...

Hi Hope

Enjoy your holiday :-) Was the 5 hours spent on the ground or in the air?

docmac said...

by Rosiepops Today at 6:56 pm

I absolutely agree with this. It is inconceivable that holiday makers and children and parents with buckets and spades were all around on that beach and did not manage to fine a 20 day decomposing body.

As Diane has mentioned there would have been more than one person chancing their arm at inspecting and searching that beach and with their own dogs too!

Also Diane is right again, apparently there are wild dogs that roam in this area, I am pretty certain one of them would have found her.

This is just another one of Amaral's bizarre ill thought through fantasies!


No, no 'Rosie'. The body was only there for one day. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

hope4truth said...

Hi Doc thanks you have a good one too....

On the ground we took a couple of wrong turns (well I was driving so I guess I did) but we got here eventually...

xxx

Cláudia said...

Thank you, Doc. So do I.

Thank you, Hope. Enjoy your holiday and say Hi once in a while!

hope4truth said...

Hi Claudia

Everything has gone mad lately so I post and run things should settle down now so will be back to normal (ish) when I get home...

You look after yourself as well it is hard looking after other people xxx

docmac said...

Rosiepops says...

Yet another question I would like to ask Amaral is "Mr Amaral did you stop the cadaver dog Eddie from being put inside the Renault?"

I've just split my sides now and will be claiming medical expenses. This man is like a Sun reporter. No need for investigation. Just publish what comes to mind.

ROTFLMAO. Ouch!!!

docmac said...

by vee8 on Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:10 pm

Maria, you say the trial has been adjurned because of the death of a relative of one of the judges? Do you know the circumstances? I don't want to leap to conclusions, but given what we know about the nature of the men in the dock, it wasn't a suspicious death, was it? Something meant to frighten the judge in question? I just have this nagging feeling ever since you mentioned it.

Oh my. Call in the FBI.

Cláudia said...

Doc, that last one? Just sent! ;-)

docmac said...

Hope

The lady should never drive. Let the man get lost and pretend he knows where he is. And then blame the lady for not being able to read a map :-))))

docmac said...

Good, Claudia. These clowns were circus rejects, eh?

docmac said...

Goodnight all. Seems like everyone has gone to the warm place :-) Just going to read some news and will then follow suit.

Cláudia said...

Please, Doc. Clowns make children happy. These forget them outside shops.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, Doc.
xxxx

Unknown said...

ummm I am in big trouble on trial for assaulting a murderer, now how can I get out of that one. I know I will murder the judge's relative, that will sort all my problems.

Doc, they sometimes make me really laugh, they do not even mean to joke, they actually think they make serious comments.

Boa noite Claudia and I hope things start going a little better for you all.

Viv xxxx

Unknown said...

Claudia

I did read your earlier post, Leonora insists she was assaulted but cannot recall by whom or when. I agree this trial is an absolute farce and they should stop it right now!

Could she fearful of someone letting on what really happened to her and getting more years in jail for being such a timewaster. She asked for it!

xx

docmac said...

What, did you think I was going to sleep Claudia? I thought you had gone. It's only quarter to one here.

Viv, I think they type exactly what has been prescribed. And many of them actually believe that what they have been spoonfed by the poopster is true.

Cláudia said...

Doc, that idiot is Nigel something, right?

docmac said...

Nigel with his 'broken elbow' that's just a little stiff and sore? Oh him, yes.

docmac said...

Anonymous said...

So Tony Twatface doesn't even know the difference betweeen a Spaniel and a Bloodhound! You ever seen a Bloodhound? They're about four times the size of a Spaniel. How can anyone take this idiot seriously, when his research is that sloppy?

27 October 2008 22:31

He actually said blood-hound. That is what Keela is. Back to apostrophe and hyphen school with you. You are going to look a wee bit old in the class though :-)))

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Doc. Wasn't sure.

docmac said...

ModNrodder said...

Tony Bennett has set himself up for self destruction it seems.

Mum, if Doc knows a body was there for One day then he better get in touch with the authorities and tell them where it was taken to after One day.

I think the Doc thinks he is the Doc character from Back to the Future. He's been riding his De Lorean into the future and knows the truth. Doc, it is siad that lucid dreams can be manipulated by the dreamer. Wake up, wake up!!


27 October 2008 23:24

Funnily enough, it is very similar to what 'fat, lardyboy, ugly, sweaty, divorced, drunk, lazy Portu-plod' Amaral believes. Think I'll stick to the Audis thanks :-))

docmac said...

Rosie is STILL SHOUTING. Perhaps it means I should GO TO BED and wait for the doorbell to ring..

docmac said...

Viv

Though you and I have had doubts about Mr Bennett he has REALLY got the pros worried now :-))

Cláudia said...

Doc, let them shout. It is good to lower their blood pressures. :-)

Going to bed, querido.
Mil beijinhos. Dorme bem.

Boa noite, all.

docmac said...

Goodnight to Claudia who must be exhausted.

Goodnight to Viv who must have fallen off the chair again.

And goodnight to everyone else.

Cláudia said...

Crossed posts! :-)

Boa noite, amigo.

Unknown said...

Hiya Doc, I have just put a new post on from Pat the Criminal Profiler, which should do the job just as well. The thing is it is by no means just me and you that think there is something seriously wrong with this couple's behaviour!

I am just hoping I get the chance to clear off to Egypt on Thursday before I get that dreaded knock on the door Rosie has been threatening me with for the last 12 months, looking possible!

Vexatious complainer, did you see he is now harassing the Attorney General no less who is going to get a real laugh!

Rosie, can I explain The AG can declare people vexatious litigants when they repeatedly issue proceedings in the CIVIL court that lack merit and vex and annoy others. If you look at the cases where such order have been made, typically about 15 sets of court proceedings have been issued and within those proceedings about 50-60 vexatious and silly application e.g. "I want to get the Judge who found against me committed for contempt of court".

Now unless you want the AG to turn his eyes in your direction I suggest you stop writing your vexatious correspondence!


xx

Unknown said...

As a matter of fact doc I just managed to put some nice nickel handles on the new bathroom cupboard without even falling off the chair or getting them out of line. I am feeling pretty smug about it, of course I scratched my head in the process x

Claudia, I am pleased you are getting a break and hope you are OK

I will be thinking of you and know you will help his wife, she is very lucky to have you on hand. At my other house many years ago I helped my next door neighbour when her mom died and we are still great friends!

Luv Viv x

Unknown said...

Blogger Rosiepops says:

WHY SHOULD PEOPLE BUY SOMETHNG FULL OF MISTAKES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN READING IN THE PAPER THIS LAST 18 MONTHS?


I appreciate this may have been a rhetorical question Rosie, but I am going to answer it with another question: Please apply the question to your own rants for the last 18 months including about 7000 on the Daily Express, is there a purpose in you continuing ?

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