30 May 2008

TANNER, O'BRIEN, RACHEL OLDFIELD BOYCOTTED RECONSTRUCTION

BUT KATE AND GERRY HAD ALREADY ANNOUNCED THEIR REFUSAL TO GO, FROM THE TELEGRAPH:

Detectives wanted to stage a reconstruction at the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were dining, leaving Madeleine and her younger siblings in the unlocked apartment nearby.
But the couple, from Rothley in Leicestershire, have decided not to go back. (TRUTH IS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PAYNES AND DIANE WEBSTER NONE OF THEM WANT TO GO BACK, TOO MUCH TO HIDE, TOO MUCH TO LOSE)
A source close to the McCanns said: “There are no plans for Kate and Gerry and their friends to return to Portugal. They have all indicated their intentions to the police.
“The reconstruction will only take place if Kate and Gerry and their friends agree to take part. If they don’t agree it will not happen.
“Kate and Gerry have had grave reservations about the value of it. If the reconstruction was going to help Madeleine, nothing in the world would stop them taking part.
“But Kate and Gerry and their friends cannot see the point of all the disruption it would cause to their busy work schedules and families if, as they believe, it will do absolutely nothing to help find Madeleine.”
The couple’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry and their friends remain committed to doing anything to help find Madeleine.
“I don’t want to comment on what they have told police (FEAR OF BEING ARRESTED/MADE ARGUIDOS, CLARENCE DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT) but, if they do not return to Portugal, it is because they feel it offers no value and no assistance in finding Madeleine.” (THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THE POLICE AND THEY KNOW WHERE MADELEINE IS)
Mr Mitchell said that if the reconstruction was televised (THEY LIKE TO BE ON TELLY TO PUBLICISE THEIR LIES) with the chance of bringing in new leads (JUST LIKE M3 HAVE) the McCanns and their friends would agree to do it.
He went on: “They would welcome a Crimewatch-style reconstruction which is properly broadcast for millions of people to see and could generate (A LOT MORE FALSE SIGHTINGS AND A LOT MORE MONEY FOR THE MCCANNS "SUPPORT")important new leads and fresh information.”




THE GRUESOME TWOSOME, HEAVILY INVOLVED, FEARFUL OF BEING MADE ARGUIDOS AND REFUSE TO RETURN TO HELP PORTUGUESE POLICE
JANE TANNER LIED ON PANORAMA BUT DOES NOT WANT TO GO TO PORTUGAL AND REPEAT HER LIES OR HELP EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED TO MADELEINE

RACHEL OLDFIELD LIKES TO BRIEF BRITISH PRESS TO SUPPORT KATE AND GERRY MCCANN BUT REFUSES TO HELP POLICE FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MADELEINE ..her husband knows better!

















SILENT ENIGMA MAT OLDFIELD..BUT PERHAPS NOT SILENT TO THE POLICE..





TANNER O'BRIEN AND RACHEL OLDFIELD BOYCOTTED RECONSTRUCTION
according to the report from 24 Horas below, because they themselves feared prosecution and could not secure a guarantee that they would not be. ..PARTICULARLY IN THE CASE OF THE FIRST TWO, HARDLY SURPRISING!

HONEST HELPING THE POLICE - THE PAYNES AND DIANE WEBSTER - STORIES CHECK OUT ..NO LONGER SAYING HE VISITED MCCANN APARTMENT AND SAW MADELEINE ALIVE AT 7 PM AT THE TIME THE PAYNES DEMONSTRATED THEY WERE MORE CARING PARENTS AND THEY DEMONSTRATE THEY ARE DECENT PEOPLE NOW, GOOD FOR THEM! I wonder if Mr Payne's mum Diane Webster had a few words to say to him, I always knew she would tell the truth, she sat there stunned, refusing to move, she knew! Not fooled by screaming Kate McCann, wise, calm, serene, Diane x


The Paynes and Diane Webster are the only ones who offered to return. Now what is really curious, I think, is there is no mention of Mat Oldfield, either as refusing or agreeing to go. Now why is it, he just does not get a mention at all? Is he the one who helped the police last year but it got leaked to El Mundo he was fearful of the power of the McCanns but did want to change his statement. He said that he saw the twins safe around 9.30 but did not notice Madeleine. I do not think he checked the children at all and has probably admitted that, if he also admitted Kate and Gerry asked him to lie, at a crucial time when Gerry is getting him and Kate an alibi at the table that could be very helpful to the police.


However, this article states that the testimony of the Paynes and Diane Webster is crucial to the allegations the prosecutor is currently working on against the McCanns. Now I am thinking the McCanns had a big fall out with the Paynes. What Mr Payne said was particularly crucial as he claimed to be the last person to see Madeleine alive aside from the McCanns themselves after 6 pm. He stated he saw her at 7 - It appears from this article he had NOW RETRACTED THAT and said no one saw Madeleine alive after 6 pm, which was odd because she loved to play etc. if he admits to the police that was a lie, that is absolutely fundamental to the police case -no one saw her alive at all after 6 pm when she was with Kate and Gerry and this leads to an irrestible inference that sometime from then on, until they went out at 8 pm they killed her.


If the Paynes were quite happy to go back to Portugal then it suggests they are confident they would not be prosecuted because they have decided to tell the truth, presumably Fiona has been prepared to admit, she may have been mistaken in insisting she saw Murat hanging around. Of course they are the only couple out the group who had a baby monitor which would make it far more difficult for the police to accuse them of negligence, although personally I dont think that was safe. But my children are grown men, no doubt baby monitors are a whole lot better than they used to be!
I think it is good that Tanner, O'Brien and Rachel have been named and shamed as preventing this from taking place. Their own negligence should not come into the equation of finding out what happened to Madeleine, if they had co-operated I think the chances of them being prosecuted for that are slim, there is an ulterior motive, I believe but wise Mat Oldfield is doing nothing at all to risk his own career and lifestyle. How disgusting to demand five star accom and private jets just to make sure they did not have to go. Shame on them. I wish the British press would follow the Portuguese lead and show these three up for what they are, shameless protectors of a couple of child abusing killers. If you had neglected your own children abroad but one of those little children just disappeared would you refuse to co-operate in the police investigation to know what happened to her? Of course not, no decent person would countenance such a thing. What could be more important than the life of a little child, ask some self-serving lieing adults, like JANE TANNER, RUSSELL O'BRIEN AND RACHEL OLDFIELD and you may get the bizarre answer.


Viv


3 versions consistent Researchers from Judicial Police assigned Maddie the process, a team led The coordinator higher Paulo Rebelo and headed directly by Deputy National Director Guilhermino Incarnation, have already examined the Key testimony which were collected in Leicester, England. The they have consistency, the second 24 hours found from legal sources, are those of David and Fiona Payne, and Diane Webster. All other have several contradictions or not ahead of anything relevant to the case. Of anyway, are still being analyzed testimonials from over 50 people now vacation in Ocean Club, on that date, and that living in England. According to the testimony those three friends of McCann, provided that the 18.00 never saw anyone the small Maddie, despite that it is extremely active and enjoy to be with the group. A only person who says that was to see little children after the 21:00 is the own father, Gerry, that confessed to having been conversation with a friend at the door of house during several minutes, then only the woman, Kate, who gave the alarm of the disappearance Maddie, already after the 22:30. The authorities were only alerted close of 23.45 that day. FOUR FRIENDS OF MCCANN RECUSARAM TO RETURN TO PORTUGAL The other two couples who left their children in Ocean Club were scared that the law Portuguese predict umapenadeprisão up to ten years who abandons minor facts CALMA. Diane Webster, 63 years, was the most peaceful person the group. After Kate enter the Tapas Bar shouting "they took it," the mother of David Payne was impávida and serene. RESERVE. The reservation of the apartments -- the Internet - in the Ocean Club was made by David Payne, one of the witnesses who was available to return to Portugal.


Janne Tanner, Russell O'Brian and Rachel Oldfield (below) boycotted the idea of PJ Text ● Carlos Thomas Two couples refused to to return to Portugal to collaborate with the Judicial the reconstitution of events of 3 May, when Madeleine McCann disappeared from a apartment in Praia da Light, in Lagos, Algarve. And among the reasons for denied, found the 24 hours, was the fact that Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brian, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield have fear also be made defendants. The group of nine people that jantou in Tapas Bar in night of the disappearance, beyond the parents of Maddie, these were the couples who had children. And they let alone minors in the apartments of Ocean Club - which, according the art. 138. Of the Code Criminal, is a crime that can be punished with ten years of exposure chain and neglect. "They have made many requirements, provided an aircraft to jet to stay in a hotel of five stars. The last that we were not asked made defendants, while McCann demanded precisely the opposite. In light of our legislation, it is impossible to guarantee ", explained the 24 hours a law officer attached the process. According to testimonies collected by researchers PJ's in Tapas Bar, Russell and the only O'Bryan p to the M & i d d d i e, G and r and r McCann, left the establishment during the 19:00 and the 22:00, when the authorities estimate that the girl disappeared. "The refusal of friends to return to Portugal is unbelievable. Just three said coming, " David Payne, his mother, Dianne Webster, and Fiona, the woman, said the same source. It should be noted that the testimony both of Fiona Payne and the husband are taken as fundamental to the development of the accusation that is being completed by the prosecutor. ■ Fear of becoming the defendants 3 versions consistent Researchers from Judicial Police assigned Maddie the process, a team led The coordinator higher Paulo Rebelo and headed directly by Deputy National Director Guilhermino Incarnation, have already examined the Key testimony which were collected in Leicester, England. The they have consistency, the second 24 hours found from legal sources, are those of David and Fiona Payne, and Diane Webster. All other have several contradictions or not ahead of anything relevant to the case. Of anyway, are still being analyzed testimonials from over 50 people now vacation in Ocean Club, on that date, and that living in England. According to the testimony those three friends of McCann, provided that the 18.00 never saw anyone the small Maddie, despite that it is extremely active and enjoy to be with the group. A only person who says that was to see little children after the 21:00 is the own father, Gerry, that confessed to having been conversation with a friend at the door of house during several minutes, then only the woman, Kate, who gave the alarm of the disappearance Maddie, already after the 22:30. The authorities were only alerted close of 23.45 that day.
FOUR FRIENDS OF MCCANN REFUSED TO RETURN TO PORTUGAL The other two couples who left their children in Ocean Club were scared that the law Portuguese predict umapenadeprisão up to ten years who abandons minor facts CALMA. Diane Webster, 63 years, was the most peaceful person the group. After Kate enter the Tapas Bar shouting "they took it," the mother of David Payne was impávida and serene. RESERVE. The reservation of the apartments -- the Internet - in the Ocean Club was made by David Payne, one of the witnesses who was available to return to Portugal.

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bath theory said...

How arrogant of Gerry to assume that he could control all those around him.

It seems what we spoke about with regards to the Paynes may well be true. The fact Mrs Webster sat still in her chair counterpointed by the fact that the McCann's didn't search for Madeleine and further to that delayed calling the police !!!!!! clearly shows the charade.

It is only the nedia manipulation and the cras political support given by odious influential cronies that has stopped these two being arrested within a few weeks. That photo in front of the White House says it all - at that stage Gerry believed they had got away with it. His smile represented pure relief at that and his new found fame.

I would like to congratulate the Payne's for their integrity. Fear is a great deterrent to stop people coming forward. As a primary school teacher I offer free tuition to all the Payne's children for the rest of your primary career.

The next steps are a tricky stage but the tide has turned and the media is improtantly seeing these two for what they are. It just shows you how bad a job Clarence has done given all his contacts and underhand values. He has taken blood money (IMO)

LittleGreyCell said...

Morning all,

The above article raises quite a few questions I can't work out:

1. How come David Payne has retracted his assertion that he was the last person apart from K&G to see Madeleine alive, yet is not fearful of returning to Portugal?

Was this assertion made during his original interrogation? Why is he not afraid of what the PJ might charge him with now that he appears to have gone back on what he told them?

2. Does this mean he has already squared this with the PJ? Is he the Tapasnik who secretly changed his story a few months ago?

3. What exactly constitutes the Monty Python Foot of Doom that is hovering over his head, so that he hasn't revealed all to the PJ in order to get himself out of this dire situation as quickly as possible?

Is it fear of his own culpability? Towards what?

Is he he really not a party to what went on that night, and doesn't, in fact, know? I read somewhere that he had never met the McCanns prior to that holiday. Is this the case? Why the misplaced loyalty, then?

Why would he allow this intolerable situation to continue, with his career, his relationship, his whole life under such strain? Especially if he was only on the fringes of the situation.

Why does he not bring an end to this horrible nightmare?

Or has he already put the wheels in motion?

4. What exactly does Diane Webster know?

Is she not talking (if indeed she isn't) to protect her own family? From what charge, exactly?

Or is it because of other reasons...pressure from the McCanns and their representatives, pressure from another person or entity, or to protect a Tapas 10?

Why won't these people - who are all in the middle of a nightmare presumably not initially of their own making - bring an end to it and speak up???

These are middle-class people with careers and families and comfortable lives with (presumably) sufficient money...why won't they tell the police everything they know? They seem to be sacrificing their own lives for what? The McCanns???

I can't quite believe that.

LittleGreyCell said...

Morning Baththeory!

"He has taken blood money"

Is this why his shirts have gone pink in the wash???

bath theory said...

Hi LGC

Well one thing I can tell you is that Mrs Payne is far better looking than Mr Payne. So it could be she was involved in some swinginmg duties that week and he wa embarassed by that.

LittleGreyCell said...

Well, BT, they all look pretty cold and hard to me.

If it IS a swinging thing, it would be embarrassing, yes, but not sure if I wouldn't own up to that, get it out of the way and get on with the rest of my life.

As it is, they are members of a group who seem to be covering up for a pair who may well be charged with the death and concealment of their daughter's body. Which means the possibility of them potentially being charged with aiding and abetting a crime or crimes, conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and so on.

Not to mention the fact that their lives have been taken over by all this, I would imagine.

Odd.

Have to go and get on with my day, but will be back later...

:)

Wizard said...

The McCanns stayed in the Payne’s apartment the night of M’s disappearance (apartment 5B). This would have been a very telling time and the Payne’s would have witnessed all behaviour at this time first hand. Very important witnesses I would suggest.

Wizard said...

Are any of the T7 involved in anyway with the disappearance of Madeleine? Are they covering up for their friends?

I suspect when they first knew Madeleine was missing it may not have entered their mind that their friends Kate and Gerry were guilty in anyway other than leaving their children alone the same as they did. They supported their friends.

O’Brien was put in a difficult position as the Mc’s were saying their daughter was abducted and he was missing from the table with no alibi. Tanner his faithful partner lies and says she saw the abductor who looks the exact opposite of O’Brien. Tall/short, fair/dark, short hair/long hair. This sighting is not to protect her friends the Mc’s but to protect her partner.

David Payne says he saw Madeleine in apartment 5A at 6.30pm on 3rd May. Has he retracted this statement or is he still sticking with it? I believe he has retracted this statement.

If the others are in fact covering for the Mc’s why? Were they involved and how? Is there a group conscience? Why should the T7 feel guilty over Madeleine’s disappearance and why would they become so dangerously involved in something so serious?

nancy said...

Hi Viv and everyone -

Just popped in before going out for weekly shop.

I hope the tapas lot and many others who are hiding a dark secret read your leader today Viv!

As the song says - "You've got that worried look upon your face"!

They have the look of people with very troubled consciences.

There is obviously something or someone they are hiding for fear of retribution.

"Ten swinging people, went out to dine - one got a plane back home and then there were nine" !!

Just who is that 10th tapa?

Someone very relevant to this crime and who is probably ready to take flight again to destination unknown at the earliest opportunity, if he hasn't done so already!

Niki said...

Hi all:)

Think Nige, McCannfiles, asks some good questions here:

'Suspect' fears of Tapas 7 The Sun



By ANTONELLA LAZZERI

Published: Today, 30/05/2008

FRIENDS of Maddie McCann's parents refused to return to Portugal because they feared being made suspects as well.

All the "Tapas Seven" pals of Kate and Gerry were asked by Portuguese cops to take part in a reconstruction.

But at least four — Jane Tanner, Russell O’Brien and Rachael and Matthew Oldfield — blocked the move, says Portuguese paper 24 Horas.

Like the McCanns — who are suspect "arguidos" — the two couples also left their children alone last May 3 in Praia da Luz.

A source claimed: "They demanded they'd not be 'arguidos' but that is impossible to guarantee." They could have been accused of abandonment of a child and jailed for ten years.

Sources claimed the reconstruction was aimed at highlighting statement "inconsistencies".

The McCanns' spokesman insisted that the couples were concerned about "the reason behind the reconstruction".

*

Comment: This is a good example of the laziness of the British press. This report is essentially a precis of yesterday's 24horas report, yet the people concerned in the report are all British and based in Britain. So, why are the British press not out there getting these stories and quotes? Why are they not speaking to the Tapas 7? Is it because they are afraid of upsetting the McCanns and thereby losing their access to Clarence Mitchell - without whom they would have nothing to publish?

The other question is: Is this actually a real news story or has it been created to shield the McCanns themselves from a backlash in public opinion? Only time will tell - not the British press.

-------------------------------

Remember about a month ago? We discussed Kate being too fragile to return to PDL, and that the T7 would be used as an excuse? Well, thats just what happend, and I belive it is another tactic to get the heat of the McCanns, and to "forget" that in the court ruling it says:

The investigation covers abduction, homicide, exposure or abandonment of a child, and concealment of a corpse

dolores said...

Has anyone ever wondered why Brian Kennedy is bankrolling the Mc's?

He is paying £75,000 a year to CM
He is offering him a position with his company when it's all over.

He has contracted M3 and paying £8,000 of their fees each month.While the fund pays £50,000.

He has paid a visit in November with his lawyer for a secret meeting with Murat.

He has given Mc's his in-house lawyer, Smethurst,who is now a director of the fund.


At his own expense he is paying Caplan (reputedly)

Why is he doing so much for Mc's and possibly the tapas 7.

He has a private jet and a house in Spain.
BK has put a huge smile on G's face IMO
It has been said that he was there with his 11 yr old son,who apparently took ill that night. I have read in the past talk of 8 children being there that night, in one apartment


Brian Kennedy's real estate development company, Patrick Properties, was negotiating a giant financial loan from the Royal Bank of Scotland at the same time that Madeleine went missing in May, 2007.

The Royal Bank of Scotland was the same bank with its special procedure allowing customers to easily make cash "donations" into the FindMadeleine Fund which were actually cash deposits into the McCanns' limited company.

Sir Thomas Fulton Wilson McKillop is current Chairman of the Royal Bank of Scotland. Previously he was Chief Executive of Pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca PLC, the same company that John McCann, brother of Gerry McCann is a Medical Sales Rep.

Stella said...

Dolores

What a very good question..

All I know is, if you were rich and famous and did not want the whole world to know who or what you spend your money on, a way round it would be to use a trusted middleman, someone you employ to keep your identity secret??

Joe said...

This from the Pink troll in the Yorkshire post, the whole article also posted on the McCannfiles.



"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't... asking nine people to give exact explanations of what happened at what moment during the evening was never going to produce matching stories; what would have been more suspicious was nine exactly co-ordinated accounts."


So the Pink troll now states that some had watches on, as opposed to 2 months ago 9 people were not wearing watches or had mobile phones. Can you believe this?

Also if it is not a conspiracy, why is he REALLY there and spinning lies???

Stella said...

Joe

He would just love for this to be seen as the biggest conspiracy since Diana, only for financial reasons. His name will go down in infamy, and he would enjoy that.

The reason he is now changing his story on the watches front, is all down to us bloggers and the fact that we have so many photo's of all of them surprise, surprise all wearing watches. I would call it a fast back track with bright pink go faster stripes down the sides.

dolores said...

Joe,
He has realised how'ludicrous' this statement was in the first place,I bet his blushes matched his shirt,at such a faux pas.

Stella said...

I must be mad, I have just started a discussion on 3A's and will live to regret it I'm sure. When I registered, I cocked up with using just the name Stella, so I had to use Stella by Starlight....

I cannot believe I have just branched out. But just like Dorothy and those ruby slippers, there's no place like home..

LittleGreyCell said...

Do you think Clarrie has a Mickey Mouse watch? (Or is he just plain Goofy?)

Yes, it does look him back-tracking, doesn't it?

And why would a group of people wearing watches - educated people, for goodness sake - not be able to guage a time within, say, five minutes of each other's timings???

Stella said...

LGC

Clarrie would have a Barbie pink watch, I think... :->

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

:)))

Stella said...

LGC

Is it just me for thinking this, but I thought there were serious health implications by opening up a can of food, let's say baked beans and putting half a can back in your refridgerator for another day?

Stella said...

I think I just answered my own question.

Have just looked on the back of a can of beans and it clearly says 'Storage - empty unused contents into a suitable covered container. Keep refridgerated and use within 2 days'

The reason I have brought this up is because I was fast forwarding through the latest 2 hour McSpectacular program looking for when Gerry was talking about the tennis ball photo, when I stopped on the bit where Sean opened up their fridge and you will never guess what was inside. Yep, you got it, an open tin of Heinz Baked Beans. Unbelievable, a house with 2 Doctors in it and neither have read the correct way to store beans. No wonder children throw up a lot.......

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

Was the jagged top still on the can??

mariana said...

Hello everyone

I believe that the Tapas 7, are aiding and abetting two reckless and very well connected individuals.
Apparently all of them are afraid to speak out, thus siding with the perpetrators and leaving defenseless Madeleine unprotected.
I have nothing but contempt for all of them.
If the McCann's did not have political connections they would have been arrested a long time ago. Brown and his cronies are riddled with corruption.

Stella said...

LGC

Have just been watching that bit again and Kate said "when we first came back I couldn't cook a meal". So if she capable of cooking a meal between May and September, why was it difficult when they got back. Was it because of their newly aquired Arguido status, I wonder.

As for the can of beans, it beggars belief. Oh, and by the way there was no child lock on that fridge, so let's hope the can did not have a jagged edge.

Stella said...

Mariana

I totally agree with you there...

mariana said...

Hi Stella

I thought that the Paynes are very good friends with the McCanns. They attended the 1 year church gathering at Rothley. If they had become witnesses for the prosecution they would not have attended, would they?

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

Maybe a personal thing, but when I go to a foreign land I love going to the supermarkets and looking at all the different foods and cooking with the ingredients we don't get at home.

And food - especially on holiday - is a social thing!

Which again brings me back to why this party didn't book a villa where they could cook and eat together without any childcare problems!

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

Which couple is reported not to have known the McCanns prior to the holiday?

I thought it was the Paynes...

mariana said...

LGC

I have always thought they all knew each other.

Stella said...

Mariana

Not unless they had to keep up the farce to keep the woolves of their backs.

Stella said...

LGC

Sharing a villa would have made a lot of sense.

By the way did you just get an email from Daily Express, I did. I didn't open it and just deleted it but the contents are on 3A's site.

LittleGreyCell said...

Who said I read it in the paper so it must be true?

Just received an email from the Daily Express:

Dear MyExpress member,

Firstly, I'd like to thank you for being part of our exciting online community.

It's now been a year since we relaunched express.co.uk - and we'd like to thank YOU for making our site one of the best places on the web to read and debate the hottest stories. We promised that the new-look express.co.uk would complement your favourite newspaper with breaking news, sport and showbiz 24-hours a day.

On top of that, we said we'd bring you a range of new interactive features, web-exclusive comment, the best pictures from around the world and a brand new Express video section.

A year on, and we know - because you've been telling us in huge numbers - that you love Express Pictures, where we feature the most striking images every day. Our brand new video section has also been a hit, with tens of thousands of you enjoying our news, sport, showbiz and arts coverage.

We've expanded our fantastic travel, City and personal finance coverage, brought you the Cost of Living Index and even introduced an advice centre to help you deal with the credit crunch.

But we'd like to know what else you'd really like - and what you don't - so we can keep improving.

Express.co.uk is YOUR website - you use it every day - and we want it to be everything YOU want.

Online Editor - Geoff Marsh

*****

Didn't appear to be MY website when they suspended me for having the audacity to be cloned by a Pro.

Didn't appear to be MY website when they edited Antis posts whilst at the same time leaving all manner of abusive and bullying stuff from the Pros.

Didn't appear to be MY website when they suspended all posts relating to the McCanns and settled out of court to two Prime Suspects who are leaving 'no stone unturned' in the search for their daughter, but who won't return to Portugal for a reconstruction of the terrible night she disappeared.

Should I sue the DX for misrepresentation???

Viv, got time for a new case???

:)

mariana said...

LGC

Just remembered that David Payne, even helped run the fund, soon after it was set up.

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

Thought I read on the 3As that the Paynes didn't know them.

Was wondering if this would account for Diane Webster's reportedly calm demeanour when all the hoohah kicked off...

mariana said...

LGC

The Payne's live in Stoneygate which is near Rothley, please correct me if I am wrong.

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

No idea...it's all a bit up north from where I am! :)

mariana said...

LGC

Is there someone who can tell us if Rothely and Stoneygate are close by?

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

Yes, it does appear to be an area of Leicester.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

This doesn't necessarily mean they knew each other, though.

mariana said...

LGC

You are right it does not mean they knew each other.
In the newspapers I used to read they meet often with them. They stayed behind after Madeleine disappeared, he helped run the "fund" and they attended the 1 year gathering.
It would seem strange they had lied for the McCann's and then changed their statements.

In the first place I don't think they were involved in the clean up.
It was Oldfield who helped and therefore he is an accessory after the fact. I would think he would be afraid to go as he could have been arrested.

They are afraid of the "accessory after the fact" charge and not the abandonment.

Hi Viv
Can you please clarify for me the "accessory after the fact" charges?

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

I could imagine them staying behind in Portugal believing that Madeleine had been abducted, not having been in on whatever else there was to be 'in' on if they were more or less strangers.

Same goes for them helping to administer the fund.

Do any of the others have anything to do with the fund? Is this not noteworthy if they don't??

Maybe they didn't exactly lie for the McCanns, but just go along with what everyone else was saying?

Just postulating here.

mariana said...

LGM

You might as well be right. They didn't know the McCann's and they helped them in good faith.

Don't they owe it to the little girl to come clean and tell the truth to the public, in effect put an end to this shameless CM spin?

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

"Don't they owe it to the little girl to come clean and tell the truth to the public, in effect put an end to this shameless CM spin?"

Yes, of course! Don't they all??

Perhaps David P is the Tapas One rumoured to have broken ranks.

Maybe they are willing to go back to Portugal in order to speak to the police.

Maybe there's something really BIG that's got a hold on them which is preventing them from extricating themselves in public...

mariana said...

LGC
I wonder, why don't they?
What could be more important than a child's life?

nancy said...

Hi Dolores -

Excellent post at 10.48! Thanks.

You said - "Ever wondered why Brian Kennedy is bankrolling the McCanns"?

Could it be he is the 10th tapa? He seems to be going well out of his way to make sure things don't get screwed up, including trying to talk Murat into taking a job with him - why would he do that? And why would he fund them to the amount he is unless there was something very valuable in it for him!

Just a thought!

About the Tapas pictures Viv put up today - the tapas pals all look so miserable for a gang on holiday with their young children in Portugal - were they trying to look grief stricken, or were they worried sick?

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

Well, some people put their own life and comforts before doing what's right morally.

What can I say?

hope4truth said...

Hello

I wonder if the British press will start to report any of this? We have had so much pro McCann information in normal circumstances the press would be all over this story but hardly anything?

Oh well Britain can prove to the world that a 3 year old child means nothing compared to the Adults who were supposed to be caring for what a wonderful country we live in. Discusting.

I am off see you all later xxx

nancy said...

Mariana - LGC

I've just been reading the latest news on the McCann Files.

CM is going to speak at a seminar being held at Leeds Town Hall on Monday 2nd June (don't all rush for tickets now) - Admission is free! The organisers however will be making a contribution to the Madeleine McCann Fund - I thought so!!! Doesn't say how much though!

CM has timed this well - just as the PJ's are getting things lined up to charge the McCanns and maybe their tapas pals too!

The Madeleine McCann Fnd also pays £8,000 a month retainer fee to Metodo 3 and also allows them to be paid up to £50,000 a month should commitments require it!

Just where is all this money coming from, it's mind blowing stuff! I wouldn't have thought that Brian Kennedy would back such a shower as M3 who have proved worse than useless so far!

In my opinion the Fund should match that sum by a donation to Dr. Barnardos or another children's charity! I won't hold my breath though!

And when are the McCanns going to start speaking for themselves and use the money they save from paying CM to help disabled or abused children too!

I think CM is kept on by the government so as the McCanns don't trip up over their lies and say something to tear their whole case apart!

Justice for Madeleine!

nancy said...

The McCann files has also got another comment from Jon Gaunt of today's date. He's still trying to urge the McCanns to go back to PdeL for a reconstruction; more or less saying that many of the public believe they are in some way involved in Madeleine's disappearance because of the stance they have taken! He doesn't go so far as to say he believes it himself though!

At least he has the courage of his convictions and will put something in print that many journalists believe but are too cowardly to admit!

nancy said...

I just received my e-mail from the gutless DX. I sent them my reply in no uncertain terms as to why I wouldn't be blogging on their forums again until they had the guts to print that the McCanns and their pals were all gross child neglectors and also carried out an in depth investigation into the whole sordid affair!

So there!!

mariana said...

Nancy

I am disgusted by all that I have heard about this case.
The fairness of the English press has gone out the window. I tend to believe there is something bigger than just keeping these two out of prison.
Dr. Barnardos has had a very bad past with illegal adoptions and child abuse. I wouldn't give them any money.

mariana said...

Hi Viv

I was speaking with a friend who is familiar with international law and I was told that the McCann friends would be more worried about charges regarding "obstruction of justice" and for the ones involved in the clean up "accessories after the fact" -no matter how the Portuguese law names the second charge-, rather than "abandonment" of their own children.

nancy said...

Mariana -

I didn't know that about Dr.Barnados! I shall certainly strike them off my list of charities.

What about the NSPCC?

As you say there is something very nasty going on - I just hope the PJ's come up with the right answers and this case and those involved in a cover up will be blown sky high!

I said earlier about the miserable faces of the tapas 7. However, I notice in the pictures of the McCanns they couldn't look more pleased with themselves, except when they were leaving the interrogations! Possibly they were thinking of all the lovely money they were going to make!

How wonderful it must be to have people in such high places watching out for you even when you have committed the crime of leaving your young children alone while you wined and dined!

Nx

mariana said...

Nancy

As far as I know the NSPCC are doing a great job.

One org that I trust completely is Amnesty International because of its organizational structure.
I do not like the structure of the NCMEC, where one person is President for 25 years.
GM talks about this President as though he is some kind of super human.

marga said...

Hi everyone!

Atardi,
if you're reading.. thanks for asking about the match. Sorry to only answer you now.
He is midfielder. His team didn't win but at his age the most important is to learn how to play..and how to behave.

marga said...

A question:

I know Brian Kennedy is supporting the Mc Canns and is a sort of a tycoon.But who is he?

marga said...

These are excerpts of yesterday's article in the yorkshirepost:

'Kate and Gerry will search for Madeleine to the end of their lives, if that's what it takes'

Clarence Mitchell, who was sent back to London after a month-long stint in Portugal during which he forged a solid friendship with the McCanns, was not taken on as their spokesman until September last year, and was frank that he could not do it unless his Government salary could be matched.

Cheshire-based double-glazing millionaire Brian Kennedy, who had already offered to pay the McCann family's legal costs, said he would match Mitchell's earnings package of nearly £75,000, so that it would not drain cash from the £1.2m in public money donated to find Madeleine.

Mitchell spends two or three days a week in Rothley (put up for free by a sympathetic local hotelier), a couple of days dealing with the media in London, and weekends at home with his family.

How do the couple cope with regular claims that a small blond girl like Madeleine has allegedly been seen on a plane, train or in the street somewhere from Brazil to Morocco? "They don't invest their emotions in these claims unless they hear something more substantial from our own investigations or from the police in the country in question.

"Normally, we get a tip-off and have ruled out the story before the press have even had wind of it. For each 'sighting' you've heard about, there are quite a few more that people never know about because they are knocked down so early on." The McCanns have had contact from about 3,000 mediums and psychics alone.

Sometimes we need things to be a bit quieter, and certainly if we had a strong lead, it would be mad to publicise it and let the abductor know that we're on the case."

The couple say they will leave no stone unturned, never give up until they find Madeleine.

"They are not stupid; they know she may be dead... But in the absence of any evidence that she is dead, they continue to believe she will be found alive. They will search to the end of their lives, if that's what it takes."
Their faith gives them strength, as does a close family and public support ("So many people emailed after the documentary and apologised for getting the wrong idea about Gerry and Kate earlier on..."), says Mitchell.

Neither Gerry or Kate McCann is allowed to discuss ongoing investigations into what happened to Madeleine, or their opinion of how efficient Portuguese police have or have not been in searching for her.

Speaking about Madeleine

Clarence Mitchell will speak at a seminar during Leeds Business Week, being held at Leeds Town Hall at 10.30am on Monday, June 2. Admission free. The organisers will make a contribution to the Madeleine McCann Fund.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/features/Kate-and-Gerry-will-search.4131043.jp



They are not stupid...
Meanwhile they continue to cash ...
The Pink one is staying in a hotel for free?
These people don't exist...are parasites.

leigh3 said...

Evening All,
Just going to read posts more carefully.

Dolores, you wrote:
"Sir Thomas Fulton Wilson McKillop is current Chairman of the Royal Bank of Scotland. Previously he was Chief Executive of Pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca PLC, the same company that John McCann, brother of Gerry McCann is a Medical Sales Rep."

I didn't know that before. I do now. Ta. Useful to know.
xo
leigh

leigh3 said...

Stella by Starlight!

Go for it. 3As is an excellent site, I think. Your voice will be most welcome.

Even in the darkest night, the stars do shine.

I think you'll enjoy 3As; lots of funny, and serious people there. Ah! Wait til you see the avatars, and signature sign off quotes. Fab.

Just 'backtracking' now ;_)...on today's comments, not on my opinions!
xo
leigh

viv said...

Hi all

Mariana

There is no offence in UK law of "accessory after the fact". I think, that is an American offence but have not checked. In UK law the most serious offence would be conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. This offence is often used in conjunction with murder cases where you have a group of people effectively seeking to orchestrate a cover up and it is extremely serious, with sentences usually in the range 8 years to life where it concerns homicide. The conspiracy offence is a generic one that can relate to all sorts of criminal behaviour and the sentence depends on how serious the substantive offence is. Given we are talking here about murder or manslaughter it just does not get any more serious. Heaven help anyone who decides to lie and obstruct the police is such a case. Your friend is entirely correct it would be this offence they fear, not their own neglect. The Sun newspaper is quite wrong to say they could face up to ten years in jail, they could not, for one simple reason, nothing actually happened to their own children. The requirement for that offence in Portuguese law, is not only did the parent expose the child to risk of serious harm, there is a second very important limb to that offence - as a result of that abandonment/exposure the child actually died. Thus this offence is applicable to the McCanns but certainly not the others. They are guilty of far less serious child neglect and it is too late to prosecute them for that now.

The Paynes are long-standing friends of the McCanns and it was them that actually booked and organised the holiday. Mr Payne works at Leicester University which is very near to where Gerry works. He undertakes cardiology research and so does Gerry as part of his contract with the NHS. IN fact when Gerry went back to work initially that was all he was doing. Quite often with such jobs, undertaking research for the NHS is a vital part of the person's role.

In my opinion the Paynes have had legal advice and been warned that if they continue to seek to tell lies for the McCanns they could be looking at a hefty prison sentence. They have both committed very serious offences of perverting the course of justice. David Payne stated that Madeleine was still alive at 7 pm when the reality is he just did not know that because he did not attend the apartment as previously stated, he said this to try and prove the McCanns could not have killed Madeleine. Gerry says the children were "put to sleep at 7.15" and so I am afraid the reality is that just at the time he /they were actually killing Madeleine by giving her an overdose he was asking Mr Payne to falsely claim she was still alive. Had Mr Payne persisted with that he would have been in very serious trouble indeed. Likewise his wife returned to PDL at the request of the police in July and took part in a confrontation with Murat accusing him of being involved in an abduction, hanging around immediately after Madeleine went missing, again this is a very serious attempt to pervert the course of justice by framing an innocent person and diverting the police from the proper line of enquiry and again this sort of conduct in a homicide/missing child case and by threatening the liberty of an innocent person would attract a hefty sentence of imprisonment. The Paynes may well have decided their best line of defence is to start telling the police the truth, Leicester police do doubt warned them prior to the PJ returning for the requestioning what they would face if they did not. The Portuguese prosecutor is stating their evidence is vital against the McCanns and you can see that it would be!

Solicitors probably could not negotiate a get out clause for O'Brien and Tanner because their own conduct is far worse still and I believe they will go down.

leigh3 said...

Re: Geoff Marsh.

He's 'just doing his job', as Clarence Mitchell said when trying to minimise criticism against him earlier this year.

Perhaps everyone receiving that email should tell Geoff what they really think; just to make him think harder; think like a journalist, not a PR pimp.

Just a thought.

P.S. The DE Editor recently resigned from the Press Complaints Commission, the self-regulatory body of UK Editors, supposedly setting standards in UK Print journalism.

Tsk. Geoff: nice try. Do better. Serve your readers, not your proprietor's bent.

viv said...

Geoff got a very short response from me, how perverse..you banned me twice, preventing me from airing my views so you know what the Daily Express can do!

Viv x

docmac said...

Thanks for the precis of the article Marga. I had not seen it. A couple of comments if I may:


'Kate and Gerry will search for Madeleine to the end of their lives, if that's what it takes'

Yeah right Clarence, so when are they actually going to start? Liar.

Mitchell spends two or three days a week in Rothley (put up for free by a sympathetic local hotelier), a couple of days dealing with the media in London, and weekends at home with his family.

75k for this? Sweet Jesus, what a life!

Sometimes we need things to be a bit quieter, and certainly if we had a strong lead, it would be mad to publicise it and let the abductor know that we're on the case.

Liar.

They are not stupid; they know she may be dead...

May?? Liar.

So many people emailed after the documentary and apologised for getting the wrong idea about Gerry and Kate earlier on...

Liar.

leigh3 said...

Viv and Doc.

One word: liar.

That sums up the performance we have seen since last year by many people.

The tide is turning. Look at how the liars behave now: trying to charm people to give them one more chance to make things right, as in 'please forgive us, we want your opinions, we were wrong' or the usual weasly backtracking words of PR pimps.

They're busted, and they know it.

2008: truth for Madeleine, and those who challenged the lies with courage and integrity.

2008: justice for Madeleine, and humiliation for those cowards who believed the lies.

marga said...

Doc,
you're right. That's only lies. The more I read what they say, the less patience I have.

Your avatar is quite original :-)

Is it an angel or just a human pretending to be an angel?

leigh3 said...

Anyone who was offended by the inept online supervision of the DE should email Geoff Marsh, and remind him that the public expects journalist to pursue honest inquiry, and protect their readers' right to free speech...not simply excite public opinion with provocative stories for the sake of circulation; crash and burn tactics demean honest inquiry.

Just my opinion. BTW: Geoff Marsh and the DE received many friendly warnings, and ignored them. I have no sympathy for the DE. Their proprietor made his money from pornography, and it seems that he (and DaveL) thought they could pull the same tricks in mainstream UK Print.

Madame R, leader of the House of Ill Repute, knows my view on their tactics. Boo! You lot lost. You haven't got the skill or the stamina, eh Dave? Get over it. Learn from your mistakes. Do better next time.

docmac said...

Sorry Marga

Was off elsewhere. Ummm, it's a sweeper/cleaner (me ;-))) wearing a pinkblog-inspired halo and angel wings. The bare bum is aimed at those who think I am perverse and obscene, and possibly even 'the fat controller'.

Just been reading the pink ones BTW. The popstar reckons her video doesn't load because " Photobucket had an isolated incident of someone attempting to breach their security". I'm gutted :-))))))

docmac said...

Sorry2

Hi Leigh!

leigh3 said...

Hi Doc,

The mention of Brian Kennedy, Geraghty, Brown and RBS will stir up the hackers. Daily Mirror forum went down for that.

Sign in. Sign out at the first sight of delayed communication. Just a bit of advice.

Clarence is just a paid appratchik; a useful idiot. Educated fools need that sort.
xo
leigh

P.S. Do tell Geoff Marsh what you think of the DEs latest charm offensive. Make them earn their money, and regain the respect of readers' they betrayed. Just my opinion.

marga said...

Doc,
no need to apologize.

I'm also doing different things simultaneously and watching a TV special with Cristiano ronaldo.Special for the Portuguese fans.

Now that you've explained I see what you are doing there :-)
Wasn't sure if it was you or not as angels are supposed to have no gender:-)

leigh3 said...

Boa noite Marga,
I hope people are busy giving their opinions to the Daily Express online Editor, Geoff Marsh, and reminding him of his responsibility as a journalist to protect free speech, and his readers, rather than serve the short term interests of his proprietor, and other PR pimps', search for circulation at the expense of honest inquiry.

PRs and politicians serve their own narrow interest; their own story. Journalists are supposed to serve honest inquiry on behalf of the public who are busy earning an honest living, and need journalists to ask the questions they would ask, and report, without fear or favour.

Boa noite.

docmac said...

"Clarence is just a paid appratchik; a useful idiot."

I could not have put it better myself, Leigh.

Educated fools? I have heard it said that common sense is not a requirement when applying for a place at Med School. ST wanted to be a doctor FFS. I wonder why 'she' was turned down.

bath theory said...

Viv

I also believe the Tanner, O'Brien combination will head towards prison along with the McCann's.

It is no coincidence that as Brown has fallen the climate around this case has opened (IMO)

Brown's odious nature and complete lack of ability to co-ordinate his facial movements with his words reminds me of Gerry McCann. It is such a shame the dead body of a defenceless 3yr old was not enough to awaken the soul of the son of a clergyman.

THANK GOD though for the Portugese + Leiceestershire Police + possible people at GCHQ who are assisting quietly.

nancy said...

Just been reading the 3 Arguidos - interesting article by 'Blackwatch'written in February of this year. Probably many of you have already seen it!

"Grooming the McCann's - The EU's Prum Treaty and the McCanns"

A single European DNA/Criminal Database is of enormous importance and how the Madeleine McCann case has been handled.

Are the McCanns pawns in a government attempt to get their nationwide DNA Database off the ground, and how the Madeleine case supported the extention of the EU's Prun Treaty to the remaining 27 members states and how Downing Street obliged"

Link is http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=4467
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Another conspiracy theory I suspect but interesting all the same!

I'm away now - see you all tomorrow!

Nancy x

leigh3 said...

Hi Doc,
Should have written 'apparatchik', but apPRATchik is more accurate, perhaps ;-)

ST wanted to be a doctor?! Crikey. That is scary. No detached compassion there, is there?

Phew! Am feeling grateful now for Boards, whatever their weaknesses. They proved to be good goal keepers re:ST. Phew! Scary to think what could have happened...

leigh3 said...

Nancy,
A poster named 'Blackwatch' was banned from 3arguidos.

nancy said...

Docmac -

Just saw your post - I think ST lacked the bedside manner as well as the brains!

Your avatar is a scream - what a sexy geezer he is!


Hasta manana


Nx

leigh3 said...

BT,
I thank God too. This ongoing investigation is assisted by many, officially, and quietly.

docmac said...

Just finished reading pinkblog 1 and 2. It does not take long as there are so few comments. They still can't spell 'Madeleine' correctly despite moaning constantly that she is hardly ever mentioned here. What a shame.

Hello Mum21!

"Fantastic Rosie. It made me cry. It works fine for me on here and on the blog. I also tested out the HTML coding of it on a page on my site..just to see if it worked anywhere online. It shows fine on there.
With Youtube...do you upload the whole video....or just the coding?
Having never worked with Youtube before I am not sure how they request an upload. I could register with them to check it out."


I thought you were 'net savvy'. looooooooooooooool, as Alsabella would say.

leigh3 said...

Doc,
Wherever Alsabella is, she is more interesting for all that she has written and done than the girlies blogging blindly.

Just my opinion.

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

"I think ST lacked the bedside manner as well as the brains!"

True, but I think there may be more to it than that ;-)

dolores said...

Towards an accusation?
May 30, 2008


Rapt, homicide, child neglect and concealment of corpse ...


Parents McCann would be under a procedure for kidnapping, homicide, negligence and concealment of a corpse.This emerges from a decision of the Court of the Relation of Evora, published by the Times.That decision, signed on April 29 this year, also reveals that the Public Ministry has sought access to messages (SMS) exchanged between a dozen laptops at the disappearance of Madeleine. Two of these laptops belong to the couple McCann.The other would be those of 7 friends of tapas.A list of calls made on 03 May between 20:00 and 12:00 the next day would have been established and the location of calls.

A misunderstanding.

According to press reports, the demand for this list and copies of messages exchanged would have been rejected by the judge for the second time. It would appear that this is not where lies the refusal.Indeed, the PJ has also requested access to conversations, sent messages (SMS) and location of calls made before 03 May.We've known for some time that the PJ keen interest in the day on 02 May.But it would appear that this is the "bugging" is problematic.They would be considered illegal because prior to the disappearance of Madeleine. By cons, they would be considered legal if, for example, Madeleine had disappeared on May 02 and not 03 May.


What parents may


Nothing has changed.Parents face the same thing today as yesterday.

What are the options available to them?

1 - They agree to travel to Portugal to stand trial (In the very likely event of an accusation) and they undergo their sentence (In the event of a conviction).Although the sentence could be carried out in British prisons is a possibility. Moreover, in all likelihood, only one parent could be convicted. The twins would thus not left alone.

2 - They refuse to answer summonses official of the Tribunal and does not go to Portugal.They will be sentenced by default (if condemnation ago)In this case, they will be reported to search throughout the Schengen area.This means that their will be very difficult to travel anywhere.In addition, at least police checks, any local police, in every remote village, less small country within the Schengen area, parents will be arrested as reported in the Bulletin of Central Reporting. Then referred to an agency intra-Schengen deal to send them in the country issuing the alert.He arrived on the spot, they undergo their sentence.This routine check may arrive in their country of origin, the United Kingdom which is part of the Schengen area.We note in passing that in this case the twins will be placed.


Finally, to silence rumours: NO parents do nothing to risk returning to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction.They have not been placed in preventive by the police.They even able to leave the country and return to their own. Their status has not changed, there was no reason to suddenly put them in preventive detention. They might, therefore, absolutely nothing there for them there for the twins, cooperating with the PJ during this recovery, which was finally cancelled.The risk for them and the twins seems far greater if the Public Ministry advance with a formal charge and that parents try to evade justice Portuguese.

leigh3 said...

"...The risk for them and the twins seems far greater if the Public Ministry advance with a formal charge and that parents try to evade justice Portuguese."

Yes, Dolores. This is the risk they take now. Brazen, aren't they?

docmac said...

Leigh

Alsabella was on the pink blog. Her new name is 4Portugal. Oh no wait, it was Bianca. Or was it Viv, or Gollum Brown, or Paris Hilton? I think it's an insider myself. Bollocks, I'd better get some coffee.

leigh3 said...

Doc,
Whatever...

docmac said...

Hi Dolores :-)

"Parents McCann would be under a procedure for kidnapping, homicide, negligence and concealment of a corpse."

Where do we line up to cheer?

leigh3 said...

OK, Doc.
Coffee might be best now. The avatar is clever, but inappropriate on a forum mostly visited by good women, defending children's welfare.

Just a thought. Your choice.

docmac said...

Leigh

If it were my own bum I might agree with you but(t) I think I'll leave it there if you don't mind, nan.

dolores said...

Docmac,

There is no way out for them one way or another.:)

docmac said...

Dolores

Exactly! I am not much of a Christian, but I hear God does not take kindly to murderers.

bath theory said...

As a general point I too believe the bottom is very funny and probably near the knuckle !! However, I am not offended and indeed believe in free expression of everything. And yet...

When I took the government to court a while ago now a wise person told me a Steve Biko quote

'If you are going to say something radical it is better to dress conservatively'

IF it was good enough for Steve Biko it was good enough for me.

Every time I did a television interview or was in court I dressed in my blue blazer, cricket tie and flannels. The case was won.
I shall say no more about the bum.

leigh3 said...

OK, Doc.
Your choice, your credibility.

By the way, 'murderers' is a charge for court to prove.

I prefer court to a public hanging without due process of law, and honest inquiry.

DOLORES:no way out for liars. I agree.

Night night. Sleep well all.
xo
leigh

leigh3 said...

'If you are going to say something radical it is better to dress conservatively'

Yes, BT. I agree.

leigh3 said...

And finally,
The McCanns and their friends deserve a robust defence in our democracy, regardless or anyone's suspicions about them.

That is our democracy, and our legal system.

Justice for Madeleine, her family, and everyone.

Goodnight.
leigh

docmac said...

Hi bath theory

Your wise friend gave you very good advice. I never had the good fortune to meet Mr Biko, but by all accounts he was a great man.

I did meet Mr Mandela, both before and after his release and he dresses anything but conservatively. When he did dress in that manner he went to prison for a while :-(

He never showed his bottom though.

viv said...

Hang on a minute guys am I the only one who seems to have noticed the MCCANNS are being investigated for kidnapping then homicide. Suddenly it seems to me that Portuguese taxi driver may have been telling the truth and again that just has to be murder.

docmac said...

Leigh

My 'credibility' has nothing to do with it.

Murderers are murderers, no matter what the courts find to be 'true'.

viv said...

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Portuguese police will arrive in Britain within the next ten days to reinterview friends of Kate and Gerry McCann over the disappearance of their four-year-old daughter, Madeleine.

David Payne, Jane Tanner and her partner Russell O'Brien are set to be quizzed first in a last-ditch attempt by cops to crack the mystery. Police will then decide whether to requestion other members of the so-called Tapas Nine, it was claimed.

The news came as a Portuguese taxi driver told how he picked up Madeleine McCann with a blonde woman who looked like Kate McCann and three men including one who looked like suspect Robert Murat the night of her disappearance.

Antonio Castela, 67, said he dropped off the missing girl and her English-speaking mystery companions at an Algarve hotel and watched them drive off in a blue jeep.



Source: thisislondon.co.uk
Castela, a taxi driver for the past 17 years, said he picked the group up at at a taxi rank in Monte Gordo an hour's drive east of Praia da Luz where Kate and Gerry McCann were holidaying with their three children on the evening of May 3. He was certain about the timing, he said, as it was approaching the end of his shift.

He claimed Madeleine was wearing a pair of pink pyjamas and sat on the lap of one of the two men.

They asked him to drive them to the Apolo Hotel in the nearby town of Vila Real de Santo Antonio, a 15 minute drive from Portugal's southern border with Spain.

And the only one words one of the men uttered at the end of the two and a half mile journey was "How Much?" in English when it was time to pay, Mr Castela told Jornal do Algarve in an exclusive interview.

He told the paper the jeep the group got into in the hotel car park had a yellow UK-style number plate.

He is thought to have informed police after being told they were not staying at the hotel and seeing news of Madeleine's disappearance on TV.

Mr Castela is said to have picked up the group just after 8pm local time.

Madeleine's parents - official police suspects - first raised the alarm around 10pm although the last public sighting of Madeleine is believed to have been at least four hours earlier.

viv said...

David Payne looks just like Robert Murat and the group did hire a blue jeep. Now David Payne is co-operating with police and his evidence is vital to the police case, I know where this is taking me x

docmac said...

Hi Viv

Was that the live Madeleine or the dead one?

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys!
Very tired, trying hard not to fall asleep.
Viv, darling, I can assure you that the taxi driver's story has been checked and dismissed. Apparently he had as many versions of his 'sighting' as the Tapas! :-)

docmac said...

Hi Claudia

Who tired you out then?

Cláudia said...

Doc, I had dinner at a friends place. That friend has got 3 daughters (6, 3 and a twoo week old baby). My friends children are not the kind who go to sleep exactly at the same time at 7 o'clock and as she did not want to leave them alone while we ate in the restaurant below their house, we stayed in and I was sorrounded by 2 very loud, very energetic little girls for about 3 hours!:-) Then I came back home, answered my e-mails, corrected an essay and translated a couple of paragraphs. And now I'm explaing all this to you! :-)

viv said...

Hi Claudia

Do you know why the McCanns themselves are being investigated for kidnapping?

Doc

You are very saucy. I like your satire of silly ST/Rosiepops..that dirty filthy snow my kids were playing in (what!) and those bare arses that she is obsessed with. I have to say my arse is quite diminute when compared with the depiction on her blog and I guess your legs are not quite that puny.

docmac said...

Hello Chinadullard!!

"What's 75k after tax doc in a mac?

Not a lot really - especially after paying the gardener and other staff. Not to mention spoiling the wife.

You say 'Sweet Jesus' - your words are very telling. You are a jealous wannabe who thinks 75k is worth taking the Lords name in vain. You should know fine well, that the average consultant earns far more than your average 'pink shirt' as you like to call it.

Unless you are some back street doctor in a dirty raincoat..........perversssssstssstssssse."

What do you know about Clarence's staff then? Quite a lot it seems. Does he spoil you a lot? I did not know Clarence is a consultant. Thank you for this information. Does the NHS know about this?

You think I'm jealous of 75k? LOLOLOL!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv.
I never heard the celebreties were being investigated for kidnapping.

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, everybody!
I'm already asleep! :-)

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docmac said...

Hahaha!!!

I'm being bible-bashed by the dullard because I said God does not like murderers. What in the world?...


And to my dear friend Rosie. You said:

"This is because for all the intelligence and intellect he is likes to tell people he has, he still hasn't learned how to turn the page in a blog yet. I have noticed this before with him!"

The intelligence and intellect he is likes to tell people he has..???!!

You're an Afrikaner who is jealous of those who can likes to talk English, ne? Admit it, you're not English by birth.

You criticise foreigners who battle gamely and gracefully to post in English, yet you have always failed to express yourself correctly in what you claim to be your home language. You are the 'worse'. You is likes to tune almal skeef meisie. If 'your' living in England please don't let your kinners or kleinkinners near you. They need a proper edukashun.

viv said...

Sorry Claudia I got mixed up by reading reports from UK papers above which refer to investigation of "kidnapping" "abduction" but of course when you go back to what the Portuguese Judge has ruled, the McCanns are not being investigated for this at all, they are being investigated for homicide, abandonment and concealing Maddie's corpse. It is just Clarence Mitchell telling lies as usual! There is no investigaton of abduction at all, he just wants to tell us there is and he is a liar x

Viv x

Cláudia said...

Doc, I just woke up and you're already making me PMSL! lolololol Thanks, man.
Have agreat saturday, all! Work's waiting!

Cláudia said...

Viv, that's ok.
Have a good day!
xxxx

bath theory said...

Hi Claudia
re your friends house and the 3 children. This is exactly why I believe the bathtime to play a role in Madeleine's accident. 3 children at bathtime is so chaotic.

Furthermore, it seems likely that Madeleine knew what was about to happen ie Syringe or tablets coming to drug her and thus this would have made it even more frenetic. She would have been confused as the bogeyman coming to get her was her own flesh and blood!!!!!!!

No wonder she played around with these two. At a very young age it seems likely she was aware that her parents were doing something very wrong - Poor girl, no chance.

Another point here I would like to share is I no longer see my parents. One reason is because they had 4 children and treated the first two very different from the last two. It was like they didn't want us because it reminded them of difficult times. They basically gave the younger two ten times what we had and now I am a parent I see very clearly their actions.

I wonder if Gerry felt the same about his eldest compared to the twins. And if he did have these primitive urges to distance Madeleine was it that, that led to such an 'accident'

His mind may well have come to the conclusion of something like ' It may be a whole lot better if she is out of the way.' One thing to think it but extremely chilling to act on it.

The couple certainly seemed to have adapted far too quickly to the cosy 2 adults + 2 children that were left. tennis games, beach running, hollywood smiles etc

All most strange. I wonder what will happen next?

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mariana said...

Hello everyone

Viv
I thank you for explaining the parameters of the law. Like the US, in Australia too, we have the charge "accessory after the fact".
Indeed the Tanner/O'Brien and M.Oldfield, legal position must be far worse than the Paynes.

You know Viv, I have often wondered why GM invited Mrs. Chekaya at 9:30 to join them for a drink. Why did he need the "alibi" at this hour? Is it because he knew that this would contradict Matthew Oldfield's account that he checked on the kids?
Remember that Mrs. Chekaya said that no-one had arrived or had left the bar the half hour she was there.

Another strange affair is the phone call GM made to Alistair Clark at 10:00, as soon as Kate shouted "they've taken her".
Supposedly at that time he didn't even know what had happened.
For all he knew Madeleine could have wandered off.

ratonthebeam said...

This is all reminding me of that South Park episode, where Mr Hankey and Cornwallis are standing on top of a big rock, doing a parody of the "Circle of Life...."

Bums are essential to the Circle of Life!!! :-)

nancy said...

Hi Bath Theory -

The McCanns certainly looked content a very short time after Madeleine disappeared - they seemed to get over their 'grief' very quickly!

Being a mother, and indeed a grandmother myself, I find it very strange that parents would show more attention to one child above another, so I am sorry to hear that you and one of your siblings felt left out in your family when the younger ones came along.

Parents obviously have to pay a bit more attention to the younger ones when they are babies because they take more looking after, but there are ways of parenting to make all your children feel they are loved the same. I think that some people are just not cut out to become parents quite frankly!

I just can't understand why, if the McCann's loved Madeleine so much and say they would go to the ends of the earth to find her that they haven't gone back for the reconstruction, with or without their tapas pals! Portugal is not exactly the ends of the earth is it?

What liars they have proved to be right from the start!

It's inconceivable that Gerry has kept his job in the NHS, even though I know he hasn't been found guilty of anything as yet, but once upon a time the slightest hint of scandal on that scale would have meant his quick suspension, even though he may have been kept on full pay!

The excuse that they can't go back is just that - after all, Kate has not done a day's work since she got back from PdeL - so what exactly is to stop her going back -she has enough family to take care of the twins in her absence!

Too frail, too busy!

Too scared more like it!!

nancy said...

Rat -

As long as he doesn't turn round, because I've run out of sal volatile!!



Nx

nancy said...

Mariana -

Exactly - if they had thought for one moment that Madeleine had run off they would have been out there looking for her straight away! A normal parent would have been combing the immediate vicinity as well as alerting the police straight away. These parents did neither.

Stella said...

Hello everyone

Can you imagine if the reconstruction had gone ahead and not only were the Tapas lot there, but the original staff and other guests too. Can you imagine what would have happened when they say they got up to do their checks, the other guests would have stood up and shouted, "No, you liars, you never got up to do any checks, I was there". Oh boy, no wonder they did not want to go back...

mariana said...

Nancy

Apart from that, there was CM saying that they can't disrupt their busy schedules to get to Portugal? I don't think this man is connecting with his brain.

nancy said...

Hi Stella -

I don't think they had any intention of going back, with or without the others - that was just an excuse!

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a Crimewatch reconstruction - very entertaining for everyone watching them all squirm!!

They say they don't think a reconstruction would help but they would be willing if they could appear on the telly! What a brazen pair they are!

nancy said...

Mariana -

Busy schedule or not - where does a child's life come into it with these child neglectors! Bottom of the heap it seems - shame on them all and it's about time the press stood up to be counted and sent out messages to the effect that they are all cowards instead of walking on cut glass for them all!

mariana said...

Nancy

Corruption... eats at the fabric of the society. As long as the powers that be, support this criminal behaviour, there is no salvation.

Stella said...

Nancy

What if there really had been an abduction and the reconstruction could have pin pointed someone out to be a bit fishy, is it not worth doing it to see if there is someone who stands out as odd??

I agree with you Nanacy, they never intended going back ever, because they know what really happened that night. This is why they never went out to look either.

ratonthebeam said...

There's enough of us to do a part each! Anyone up for a wee trip to the Algarve? :-) (We can leave the swinging bit out if you'd all prefer! :-))

mariana said...

Hey ROB
I am game... I will be going there if there is a trial.

Stella said...

Oh Rat !!!

Yes, let's not swing, it would make me far to dizzy....

I fancy Tanner's part, it seems the most exciting one, with getting to see bundleman and all, I would ask him his name, perhaps get an autograph :-> > >

nancy said...

Off topic I know, but does anyone know how Alsabella is these days? Also what happened to Bianca - a regular blogger on here. We haven't heard from Isis and Irina for some time either. I suppose after Alsabella closed, we were bound to even out a bit after the first bloggers went on Viv's site. Viv still has a very loyal following, but I would like to see you all come back on here because Viv has worked so hard to keep this together and she deserves some support! So come back folks, and let us know your thoughts right now when things seem to be coming to a head!!


thanks - Nancy x

mandarinn said...

good afternoon all
Nancy
Yesterday for first time iwent to see rosipops blog. It was there a bloger 4Portugal who i think was Alsabela.
she had a great debate with them. She is real lady with class, she argu politly even when the others was prety rude and explain with a lot of pacience the STUPID questions mainly from dianeh , mum21 .... i'm sure it was her.
at a certain time supertroll entered and said it was Bianca

mandarinn said...

I read here Iriana saying she was being busy and couldn't post

Ecolab said...

Have you ever tryed to do something in the opposite order? Taken another road to a known place? Done something opposit of what you are supposed to do? When you ”shuffle the cards” some new and interesting combinations turnes up!

Normally I do read Vivs blog from the top to the buttom. This time I read from the buttom to the top!!! Some very new and interesting combination turned up. Thoughts I`ve never thought before forced me to think in a new perspective. The hole case went into a new light and got into a new frame – a new setting!
What happend to Madeleine, why, when, whom and because has already been written here at VIVs blog. Just a question of finding it. Just shuffle the cards. We do have all the information we need. I`m convinced of that.

This is from todays ”Card Chuffle” as far as I`m concerned!
Give it a look, please, fellow bloggers and do have a nice Saturday, all of you.

*Justice for Maddie*

--------------------------------

Anyone up for a wee trip to the Algarve? :-) (We can leave the swinging bit out if you'd all prefer!

Brian Kennedy's real estate development company, Patrick Properties, was negotiating a giant financial loan from the Royal Bank of Scotland at the same time that Madeleine went missing in May, 2007.
The Royal Bank of Scotland was the same bank with its special procedure allowing customers to easily make cash "donations" into the FindMadeleine Fund which were actually cash deposits into the McCanns' limited company.

The McCanns certainly looked content a very short time after Madeleine disappeared - they seemed to get over their 'grief' very quickly!

they never intended going back ever, because they know what really happened that night. This is why they never went out to look either.

Exactly - if they had thought for one moment that Madeleine had run off they would have been out there looking for her straight away!

Apart from that, there was CM saying that they can't disrupt their busy schedules to get to Portugal?

Dr. Barnardos has had a very bad past with illegal adoptions and child abuse.

Which again brings me back to why this party didn't book a villa where they could cook and eat together without any childcare problems!

Maybe they didn't exactly lie for the McCanns, but just go along with what everyone else was saying?

"Ever wondered why Brian Kennedy is bankrolling the McCanns"?

Which couple is reported not to have known the McCanns prior to the holiday?
I thought it was the Paynes...

Another strange affair is the phone call GM made to Alistair Clark at 10:00, as soon as Kate shouted "they've taken her".

the tapas pals all look so miserable for a gang on holiday with their young children in Portugal

"when we first came back I couldn't cook a meal"

Thought I read on the 3As that the Paynes didn't know them.

an open tin of Heinz Baked Beans. Unbelievable, a house with 2 Doctors in it and neither have read the correct way to store beans.

2 months ago 9 people were not wearing watches or had mobile phones.

they are being investigated for homicide, abandonment and concealing Maddie's corpse.

Diane Webster's reportedly calm demeanour when all the hoohah kicked off...

David Payne looks just like Robert Murat and the group did hire a blue jeep. Now David Payne is co-operating with police and his evidence is vital to the police case, I know where this is taking me

The Paynes are long-standing friends of the McCanns and it was them that actually booked and organised the holiday.

"Ten swinging people, went out to dine - one got a plane back home and then there were nine" !!

"Sir Thomas Fulton Wilson McKillop is current Chairman of the Royal Bank of Scotland. Previously he was Chief Executive of Pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca PLC, the same company that John McCann, brother of Gerry McCann is a Medical Sales Rep."

nancy said...

Hi Ecolab -

Great post, and you picked the best quotes - very perceptive of you!


Hi Mandarinn -

I'd love to read Alsabella again. What is Rosiepops website address now - I thought she had given it all up?


Nx

mandarinn said...

Nancy
go to madeleine mccann-justice for all the family. it is the first post when you open .. something . gerry denies... open the comments. i think alsabela ia 4portugal. it is an interesting debate

Cláudia said...

Hi, Mandarinn.
How are you?
$Portugal is not Alsabella.
First of all, because Alsabella is not posting anywhere at the moment. Secondly, because 4Portugal is not as much of an anti as Alsabella is. And last but not least, Alsabella would never have that kind of patience to discuss with those morons that way. And after some of the things that happened, I know she would never post there.

mandarinn said...

Hello Claudia
I'm fine tks, how about you?
I thought it was alsabela but i was not sure. docmac said yesterday it was her..
However i think 4portugal did a good job as alsabela used to do.
DI you get news about her
I guess she is prety well. If contact her give her my greetings

mandarinn said...

I was astonished to see her post there, but i thought she wanted give correct information to correct all the**** they say

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, yes, I talked to her recently and she was ok. One of these days she is going to say whatever she wants to say. But there's an explanation for everything.
I don't know who 4Portugal is and I don't think that is even important. But I do know it's not Alsabella. 4Portugal is Portuguese or has got, at least, knowledge about the Portuguese language. But it is quite obvious that 4Portugal still lives under the illusion that it is possible to discuss things with the convicted child killers deenders. Alsabella has known for a long time that is not possible because there is no possible discusssion with people with not even a trace of grey matter inside their skulls. As we also know! :-)

mandarinn said...

i went there and satrted to read.
They are not only killer supporters
they have no idea what a debate is... and some of them look realy stupid, they have a few grey cells or they got them damaged...

mandarinn said...

Sorry my bad english, but really i don't need it more than to can read and comunicate

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, you don't have to be sorry for your English. It's fine. And that's not your native language. Speaking it the way you do is already a plus!
As for the convicted child killer defenders, what grey cells? ;-)

mandarinn said...

lololol.And BTW they look rude and with a basic education....

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, could nice, intelligent, educated people defend convicted killers such as the Cipriano brothers and Rachel's murderer?

nancy said...

Claudia -


Please say hello to Alsabella from me! It will be great when she finds it the right time to perhaps open her forum again, or come here on Viv's blog where she knows she will be more than welcome!

I hope you are settled in your house now - I know you had plenty of things to sort out!

I hope the weather in Portugal is better than here - it's been raining all day!

Hasta luego!


Nx

bath theory said...

If it was an accident why hide the body?

They could have staged a fake accident etc or thought quickly along those lines.

Because of this I feel there was something in her blood and they knew that if Madeleine was found any pathologist would find that. As such there only option was to stage an abduction.

So what exactly was in her blood and was this something that they could have got through customs in their rucksack or in the hold or was it something they purchased at a pharmacy locally.

nancy said...

Mandarin -

Thanks for the link to the anti's site - let's see who they are insulting today! They prefer that than trying to find out what happened to little Madeleine it seems!

By the way your English has improved a lot over the weeks so don't worry over it - you at least have the guts to come on and communicate! Well done and thank you for that!


Nx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy. I will, when I have the chance. And soon, I hope.
I think my place will be finally doe on Monday! :-) Thanks for asking.
As for the weather, it's been crappy! But not much rain today. Only very grey skies.

mandarinn said...

BT
Of course if it was an accident and they staged a kidnapping they are guilty of something, something in her body would damage their carreer if not worse...When i think on it I feel a huge fury. How tey do it with their little girl, and get money on it and look smling as they did.
ARGHHHHHHHHH

nancy said...

I see from the Times today that the government are looking at the idea, and indeed I think have begun, to use members of the public with children's interests at heart to help out the trained social workers because there are not enough to keep tags on all the children at risk, but mainly those they know are most at risk.

This could be a good move, but it does have it's drawbacks too. For instance, they must make very sure that everyone they take on is someone known to have children's best interests at heart and have excellent references in that respect. Otherwise it could open the doors for all sorts of other people who have other things not quite so charitable in mind if you get my meaning!

It's heartbreaking what is happening to children all over the world when people who should love them most and be there for them are seen as the enemy!

Very sad case today of two little Srilanken children knifed to death by one of their parents, and a six month old sibling seriously ill in hospital. Just what makes people who seem to have been good parents with happy children, suddenly turn round and do something so catastrophic as that! God bless those little children and all others going through similar tragedies in this sad world!

mandarinn said...

BTW Claudia is your cat appreciating the new look of the home?

viv said...

Afternoon guys

Well for the trial of the McCanns and a couple of their best friends, I am going to the Algarve on a private jet and I will of course be staying in five star accommodation and getting up early to make sure I do not miss a single day in court:-))))))

I am thinking Jane Tanner will have the honour of playing herself and bundleman will be there the whole time for her to talk to and get some top tips on continuing to be a real liar x

nancy said...

Hi Bath Theory -

Very good point - In my opinion that's the only reason why they would want to get rid of Madeleine's body - because with a post mortem all would be revealed!

Also all of them would have been seen to have left their children alone and be charged with neglect too.

I think they all had a conflab about the best thing to do so as not to involve themselves - cowards that they are!

I think they have all shot themselves in the foot by not returning for the reconstruction. I bet the PJ's knew this and wanted to let the world see just how unco-operative they all; i.e. not the slightest bit worried about what happened to Madeleine, but just scared stiff of their own fate if they had told the truth!

mandarinn said...

HI VIV
I guess you will be in the 5star hotel for free as do mr. pink in rothley :)))))

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

I suggest that when this case has come to a satisfactory conclusion for Madeleine and justice has been done, we must all meet up at Faro Airport for the weekend - we could all wear yellow ribbons in our hair!

Seriously, I would just love to go along to that little church in PdeL and say a prayer for Madeleine myself, knowing that was the last place she was seen alive.

One condition though - Docmac must wear his trousers!! We wouldn't want him to get sunburned would we!!!

Nancy x

ratonthebeam said...

Tinkerbell was adamant that 4Portugal was me at one point! What a laugh I got from that! She tried to tell 4Portugal that their IP addy was the same as mine, which would have been going some as I have never, ever posted on that site, and when I visit (which is very rare nowadays), it's always by proxy.

Oh dear. Are they still trying to look like they know what they are talking about? Last night Doc was saying that they couldn't even embed a YouTube video between them!

I agree that 4Portugal isn't Alsa, but I'm looking forward to seeing her post again. She knows she'd be very, very welcome to come back here.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Mandarinn. I was watching Portugal-Georgia and it's now half time. Yes, my cat got used to the new look of my place right away. That lucky thing only needs a bit of TLC, lots of food and his blanket to feel well! :-)

mandarinn said...

great life..

docmac said...

No!!

I said 4Portugal was Alsabella, or Viv, or me, or anyone else but Rosiepops. She writes good English after all.

mandarinn said...

4portugal right an excellent english , one of the morons said she couldn't be portugese bcs she had a fluent english lolololol

docmac said...

I watched 'Gone Baby Gone' this afternoon again. What a powerful film that is. Ben Affleck's brother is an amazing actor, better than the director IMHO. The missing girl looked amazingly like Maddie. Has anyone here seen it yet?

nancy said...

Hi Rat -

Do you have the address of Tinkerbell's site please.

I used the address Mandarinn gave me but it didn't work!

As for 4Portugal - whoever he or she is they are welcome to join us antis on here I'm sure.

Thanks!

Nx

nancy said...

Hi Docmac -

I haven't seen, but look forward to it - strange that it was thought up before Madeleine ever went missing!

I know they were in two minds whether to make it but decided to. Does it send out any sort of message to parents. Is it very sad - I hate watching films where children are being ill used.

mandarinn said...

nancy. sorry try it http://justice4mccannfam.blogspot.com/

atardi said...

Good evening everyone,

I'm a bit late but have been very busy.

Great news this week. Madeleine will get justice!

What I found interesting was one sentence in the telegraph.

Police also want access to the content of 14 messages allegedly sent to Mr McCann’s mobile phone from an unidentified number the day before Madeleine disappeared, and to a further 4 messages from the same number which he received the day after she vanished.

Gerry must be very afraid.

And 2 sentences from the Mirror article last thursday, made me laugh:

"He hardly used his phone during the holiday and most of the friends with them didn't even have mobiles.

"The only time his phone rang was when work called and he explained he was on holiday. There are no mystery texts. Gerry has nothing to hide. It's yet more nonsense coming from Portugal."


Hmmm. Gerry was on holiday and no one at his work knew it?

Come on.

mandarinn said...

Nancy i saw the movie. The child in the movie was very well cared by a nice old couple.Similar to what the parents say sometimes

mandarinn said...

cared and loved

docmac said...

Hi Nancy

Click 'more' at the bottom of this page to read what others thought of it. Why don't you just download it? this is what everyone else is doing.

ratonthebeam said...

I thought there were quite a lot of similarities actually. The film was full of cr@p and so are the McCanns! :-)

leigh3 said...

Goedonavond Atardi.
You wrote: "...Hmmm. Gerry was on holiday and no one at his work knew it?

Come on..." or as I would say: Tsk.

Careful, meticulous attention to detail exposes liars, I think.

'The little things mean a lot, and there's nothing bigger than the little things,' someone once wrote.

True, I think. Just my opinion.

mandarinn said...

ARnd they hired a detective expert in fraud :))))))) but... do you believe maddy is alive?

leigh3 said...

Mandarinn,
I believe Maddie is dead. Just my opinion. Death can result from many causes. I have seen no evidence, suggestion or information to make me think she was 'murdered'.

I always pointed out that Metodo3 were fraud specialists, by their own admission, when I posted on the DE.

bath theory said...

Hi Docmac , what actually happens to the child in that film. Heard an interview with the affelck chap the other day but he didn't talk much about the story line.

What was interesting was that he said he had never heard of Madeleine McCann when the studio delayed its priemiere.

leigh3 said...

BT,
The Studio, and the distributors made the decision; Ben Afleck is the 'front man'.
Media want to make money. No profit in distributing a movie that offends the ticket buying public, and losing money in the process.

That's the media. It is what it is.

Time passes. The UK public have voiced their suspicions about the McCanns.

The Studio and the film distributor can now get on with their job of making money.

docmac said...

True, Rat

A lot of similarities. And the McCanns (yeah popstar, it's McCanns, not McCann's) are full of it. Brilliant movie though. I'm going to watch it later again.

You looked at my site yet? No rush. Do you think we should give Britney the addy?

mandarinn said...

The movie is made inspired on a book, and it was ready when maddy desapear
leigh I believe maddy is dead bcs the information we have, imo by accident but i don't know which accident, about it we only can esculate based on the few clues we have.
There are a lot of possibilities, but if it was an accident and they hiden the body ,,,, hummm certainly it is because what the body could show.

mandarinn said...

*especulate

leigh3 said...

Mandarinn,

*especulate.
I agree. Fortunately, professionals do more than that ;-), and I personally, would not want to distract from their ongoing inquiry by using the word 'murder'.

It's the world weird web, but there comes a moment in time, when words can be damaging to ongoing inquiry by the proper agencies. Just a thought.

The McCanns, for all their strengths and weaknesses, are real people; human; not an entertainment, however much they courted publicity.

Justice for Maddie, her family, and everyone.

That is our democracy, our legal system, I think.

The Portuguese system has proved most wise so far. I think we should support it.

Just my opinion.

atardi said...

Goedenavond Leigh,

You are right. It's about the little things. And you always pays attention to these little things.

Now I undesrtand the tsk thing. I use it also but without the "k".

What is your opinion about Rachel Oldfield? She was the one one who said that Kate and Gerry didn't do "it".

It's the it thing that is worrying me.

bath theory said...

Hi Leigh
Seems Docmac has kept the photo but we won't hold that against him !! I hope his next one isn't part of a sequence and he bends down to collect more snow. If we all meet up in PDL after the case I hope he runs into the water doing a nudey rudey. Meanwhile I would be playing tennis or jogging on the beach or maybe making sure my hotel floor is extra extra clean.

May I suggest we all arrive with blue holdall bags.

leigh3 said...

Atardi,

Imagine this: you like your friend; your friend is in trouble; you defend your friend.

Time goes by. Doubts creep in. You and your family may have been exposed to danger, unwittingly. You have a strong, mature mother figure in the background who warned you against 'taking sides'.

Then what? Her warnings plus mounting suspicion might make you take the cautious route; talk only about what you heard and saw, not about what you wanted to see and hear.

Just a possibility. Time will tell who tells truth, I think. No rush. Truth and justice take time. It's not a sprint. It's a marathon.

Just my opinion.
BTW, I hope all is going well with the little ones, and the elderly ones.

leigh3 said...

BT!!!!
You do make me smile.
x

bath theory said...

Now back to what is important. I have just seen this on the McCann files website

...Within a week of the McCanns being made arguidos and returning to the UK, their legal team had consulted the lawyers of an American man accused of murdering his estranged wife in a case where cadaver dog evidence was key.

The McCann's legal team requested the files on this case in order to discredit the reliability and effectiveness of cadaver dogs. Indeed, the judge ruled that the evidence that led to the charge could not be put before the jury. He said the dogs were too unreliable in detecting the odour of remains and noted that no remains were actually found.

However, Eugene Zapata has now confessed to the crime.

The cadaver dog was right....

NO MORE NEED BE SAID !!!!!

nancy said...

Docmac -

Thanks for the link to the film! - I shall look at it tomorrow when I'm less tired.

I've just finished watching my favourite singer (Neil Diamond) on TV! Fabulous voice and he certainly wears well!

What is your site address by the way? I was unaware that you had one!

ratonthebeam said...

That was the case that the pros made a big deal of, because the Judge disallowed the cadaver dogs evidence. Despite the fact it was not the same sort of dog as Eddie and Keela. Still let's not let the facts spoil a good story, eh! :=)

nancy said...

Bath Theory -

Thanks for the info! So that will be something else for the McCanns to think about very carefully! I hope the proper authorities will make quick note of that!

leigh3 said...

BT,
If it's worth seeing once, it's worth repeating many times.
I hope you put that on the 3A site.

Sometimes, I think people are distracted, and overlook the important detail; the telling detail.

Ta,BT. Ace point.

bath theory said...

What I find interesting is that this is an issue where as time passes their actions/ thoughts/ manner etc gets them exposed.

This dog thing symbolises whta happens when you cover things up because the truth has a funny way of rising to the surface over time.

leigh3 said...

True, BT.
Yet I still hope you will highlight that McCannfile point on 3As if you get the time. I know you're busy with the important business of educating children...of any age ;-)

leigh3 said...

And finally,

This one's for 2345: 'Seen one, seen them all,' as you said, 2345.

Eddie and Keela's handlers: woof! Steak for you; extra treats for them ;-)

Night all.

bath theory said...

My children were fantastic today Leigh. We built them a vegetable garden and then visited the Farden centre to buy seeds. Something Madeleine will never experience (IMO)

Viv - you've got mail.

leigh3 said...

Rest well, BT. A good day for you, the family, and the Farden Centre!
Ta ra
leigh

viv said...

Hiya all

I read the American dogs were more like ordinary working police dogs and only had about 60-70 per cent reliability, or something like that. Whereas Eddie and Keela are specialists with a 100% record.

Great news to hear that in the end the man confessed to murder anyway. Maybe the McCanns and their lawyers will not bother to use that now:-)))

All of their attempts to refute forensic evidence seem very desperate, particularly at the stage where they are being investigated, not charged. Having tests done on the twins hair several months later. This in spite of the fact that on his blog at the end of May, Gerry suddenly announced but you may have noticed we managed to fit in getting the twins haircut. I am willing to bet they had a heck of a lot of haircuts.

Then there was tests done on Kate to prove she was not taking anti-depressant meds, again several months later.

Then, the most perverse really, independent tests done on the hire car, saying there was no evidence of Madeleine's DNA, after, police had swept the car for all traces of forensic evidence, some point doing that then!

I was just reading a thread about PJ suspecting McCanns of murder going back to 1 May and noticed something. It says in that report the PJ did a reconstruction at the end of October when Rebelo took over including moving things in and out of the apartment and checking distances. We saw photographs of that at the time and the PJ were moving a large barrel into the apartment - cleaning fluids?

Claudia and other Portuguese, do you have an idea what such a barrel might have been?

Viv x

viv said...

Hiya Bath

Will go and check my mail x

nancy said...

Mandarinn -

If you are still here, just to say I had a look at R-pops site! I won't be bothering again - I was unimpressed. Too much verbal abuse for my liking and they actually believe on there that the tapas bar wasn't too far from the apartment where Madeleine, her siblings and other tapas children were left alone.

I think someone should tell them that they are backing the losers!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv. I have no idea what that can be. Soory I can't help you! :-)

mandarinn said...

Nancy i don't know if they think it close or if they want others to believe it.
You are right they don't do a real debate, some of them imo really know what it is. But i found interesting the posts of 4portugal .

mandarinn said...

good evening Eddie,
Bao!!! bao!!! wooooffffff

nancy said...

Hiya Viv -

The cadaver dogs evidence has been given scant support by certain people who don't want to know the truth of what happened to Madeleine, so I hope this news will finally convince them all!

I just read on the McCann files that 92% of an independent poll think that the McCanns should be charged with child neglect!

So our blogging has, hopefully, not been in vain!

Night all - sweet dreams and let's see what tomorrow brings!

Nx

docmac said...

Nancy

You can't download the movie from there. That is the site where one can get info on any movie ever released. If you do want to download it (or any other movie or music for that matter) get Viv to give you my gmail address and ask me. I'll e-mail all the necessary to you with full instructions.

docmac said...

Hi bath theory

Well, as most folks on here would not have seen the film I should not say what happened to the lass.

There are some really nasty barstewards in the movie by the way, just like in the McCann case.

docmac said...

Heck, it seems I have cleared the room. Must be the cadaver smell on my work clothes i suppose. i never wash them, you know.

Goodnight to all who are sleeping. And to Chinadull and her 'alta' ego.

viv said...

Hiya Doc

Well you did not drive me out, I have been working on new thread just posted, as suggested by Bath Theory concerning the Zapata case, where the McCanns wanted to rely on the fact the judge threw out the cadaver dog evidence, thing is now he admits it, rather than face a re-trial. Justice for this man's poor wife, and


JUSTICE FOR MADDIE

BUT NOT 30 YEARS LATER!

Viv x

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