18 May 2008

60 WITNESSES NEVER SAW MADDIE AFTER 6 PM

THE BODY LANGUAGE AND THE FACES OF THE WOMEN
STANDING BEHIND SAY IT ALL KATE, YOU ARE UNREAL..
NO SHAME, NO DECENCY, JUST PUT ON A SHOW, MAKE
SOME CASH, CONVINCE YOURSELF IF NO ONE ELSE.. DID YOU REALLY THINK STANDING THERE
LIKE THAT JUST DAYS AFTER LOSING MADELEINE WAS
WORTH IT?






HI all I was very interested to read this report posted by Dolores on the blog today from 24 Horas. It tells us that in the rogatory letters UK police were asked to re-interview a vast number of British tourists with their statements being forwarded on to Paulo Rebelo as each became available. It is clearly established from 50 tourists who were in the area at the time that Madeleine was not seen by anyone after 6 pm on 3 May. From this it is concluded that contrary to what Kate and Gerry McCann have always sought to insist, it simply cannot be said that she disappeared at 9.15. There is simply no evidence whatsoever, to support that view. This clearly intimates once more that Jane Tanner and Co are a bunch of fantacists in their claims. The PJ have clearly sought to be stringently clear about this. They not only interviewed all these people at the time, they have now got Leicester Police to do so again. This also serves the purpose of preventing either the McCanns or their supporters from seeking to suggest the PJ themselves are lieing or seeking to set them up. There are still certain statements missing that the PJ require, hence the ongoing secrecy required, in addition of course to the wish to hold a reconstruction now they are in possession of all of this verified information. When you think about it carefully, there are over 50 witnesses, just in the UK that are going to contradict what the TAPAS 9 say..that is very bad news indeed for them and just shows what a hair-brained scheme it was from the very outset. Jemmied, not jemmied and a reliance, solely on Jane Tanner, versus hordes of other witnesses. What were the prospects of actually convincing the police they speak the truth. Jane Tanner could not even be clear about whether she was coming or going, understandable really!

I was interested to see the time that Kate starts screaming they have taken her has now changed to 10.30..this is very different to what we have always been told. Maybe it is because none of them had their watches on:-))) Kate has never been able to explain exactly who "they" were...would she want to explain she meant Gerry and O'Brien? Guess not!

The friends do not want to go back and help the police..now could this be to help Kate and Gerry because that would prevent the reconstruction taking place, or could it be it is because they also fear being arrested? Bit of both I suspect..The report concludes that all will be revealed in time..I just have the feeling there will be no further extensions beyond August.

Viv x


Timeline of the McCanns put in question 24horasWitnesses say that they didn't see Maddie after the end of the afternoonText Carlos Tomás 17/5/08Little Madeleine McCann was not seen from 18.00 on the 3rd of May 2007, meaning almost four hours before the mother, Kate, gave the alarm in Praia da Luz, Algarve. That is the conclusion drawn from the correlation of information given to the British police by more than 60 tourists that were at the Ocean Club on the day of the disappearance. The authorities of Leicester have been sending this information drop by drop to the team of Paulo Rebelo. "None of the more than fifty persons that were in the tourist resort saw the child from 18.00 hours onwards. The several interrogatories made at the time of the disappearance and more recently in England prove that the girl was no longer seen in the end of the afternoon", said a judicial responsible connected to the investigations to 24horas.This data led the judicial responsible to assume that "contrary to what the parents always claimed the hour that the disappearance occurred is yet to be defined and it might not be after 22.00 hours but much earlier".There are still depositions missingThe team of the PJ are not yet in possession of all the depositions that were requested to the British authorities, made in the rogatory letter sent to that country at the end of 2007. The principal depositions of the McCanns' friends have already been evaluated scrupulously.FACTSAlarm Kate McCann entered the Tapas Bar after 22.30 screaming "they've taken her". She was never able to explain to the authorities who "they" were. The GNR arrived at the location in less than 20 minutes and the PJ one hour after. In the apartment were the twins and there was not found any sign of a break in.ImpositionsThe 7 friends that dinned with the McCanns in the Tapas Bar are putting conditions to the Public Prosecutor to return to our country. They are invited to cooperate in the reconstruction of that night, a proceeding considered very important to clarify the facts.Reconstruction without dateThe PJ continues to wait for a reply from the McCanns and their friends to schedule a date to the reconstruction of the facts that occurred on the 3rd of May 2007: "We have not received any indication from the Public Prosecutor about this issue. We are still waiting that the McCanns and their friends to decide when they want to come to Portugal. We cannot oblige them, they come if they wish", said the same source.Guilhermino Encarnação, responsible for the Department of Faro, maintains that "in this phase there is nothing to say" and as soon as relevant data of public interest connected to this media case occurs "it will be revealed by the competent authorities".The McCanns say, through their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell that they are willing to return to our country but they do not take responsibility for the decision of the friends with whom they dinned.

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viv said...

Strange behaviour of killers who appeal to the public for information to prove their "innocence" use webpages and offer rewards..leave no stone unturned really and absolutely love money so much they will kill their own family for it..but continue to blatantly deny..not a nice thing to admit though! Oh and you guessed it - the police "contaminated" the crime scene. Now where did I hear all this before..ummm


Sunday, 22 December, 2002, 01:54 GMT
Killer Bamber offers £1m reward


Jeremy Bamber has always proclaimed his innocence

Convicted murderer Jeremy Bamber has offered a £1m reward to anyone with fresh evidence that proves his innocence.
In a letter posted on his personal website, Bamber, 41, said he could "guarantee" the payout for any new information which could secure his release from prison.

His offer comes nine days after three senior judges rejected his appeal against his 1986 convictions.

Bamber was jailed for life for killing five members of his family in Essex.


Nevill Bamber had struggled with his attacker
The reward letter was written from his prison in Cambridgeshire and the sum would be negotiated in writing through his solicitors, the message said.

It would be paid to "any witness, police, ex-police or member of the public whose evidence adds the vital proof to anything you see on my website", Bamber promised.

One of his claims on the website is that police "contaminated" the crime scene.

He has protested his innocence after being convicted at Chelmsford Crown Court of the murders of his parents, sister and her twin six-year-old sons.

He shot dead his parents Nevill and June, both 61, six-year-old twin nephews Nicholas and Daniel, and sister Sheila Caffell at White House Farm in Tolleshunt D'Arcy, Essex, in the early hours of August 7, 1985.

Blood

At his appeal, Bamber blamed his schizophrenic sister and tried to cast doubt on scientific evidence.

Bamber's lawyers claimed new DNA evidence proved that blood on a silencer found in a cupboard did not belong to Sheila.

They said she could have killed her parents and then removed it before shooting herself.


Detectives initially suspected that Sheila, who had not been taking her medication for schizophrenia, had murdered her parents and sons before turning the gun on herself.

But three days after the shootings, a cousin of Bamber's discovered the silencer apparently with Sheila's blood on it.

Four weeks later, Bamber's girlfriend Julie Mugford told police he had often boasted to her he was going to kill his parents.

Bamber would have inherited almost £500,000 from his parents' estate.

Ecolab said...

Yes, and the nice Reward is offered for the SAFE return of Maddie.
NOT for solving the case, or clues that might solve the case! Very odd endeed. IMO

viv said...

Hi Eco

The thing I have always found strange is I have never even heard Kate and Gerry McCann mention the reward for the safe return of Madeleine, not even in the early stages. I just do not think they could bring themselves to go that far in their actings, but what an extraordinary stage of affairs. If parents genuinely had their child abducted and rich people/the media had been persuaded to put up a substantial reward for her safe return, would you not even bother to mention it, unless you knew it was a waste of time..

I found this very interesting pointing out that a history of child abuse/neglect is a risk factor for predicting possible homicide of a child, along with heavy alcohol use, domestic violence, feelings of lack of support from a partner, mental ill health, personality disorder etc. and ones that should be picked up by professionals who come into contact with such families to try and better protect children by early intervention and appropriate support and education of parents.

There are numerous risk factors for child murder. The criminal justice expert Neil Websdale has identified several situational antecedents such as a history of child abuse and/or neglect, a history of domestic violence, poverty, inequality, unemployment, criminal history, the use of drugs and/or alcohol, and the availability of weapons. Male and nonwhite children are more likely to be victims of child murder than female and white children.

According to the American psychiatrist and expert on child murder, Phillip Resnick, typical neonaticidal mothers (mothers who kill their children the first day of birth) are young, unmarried, are not suffering from psychotic illness, and do not have a history of depression. They characteristically conceal their pregnancy, often denying that they are pregnant. Other researchers have concluded that most deaths are the result of unwanted pregnancies, and that many mothers are overwhelmed by the responsibilities and have little or no support system. A number of women have serious drug and/or alcohol problems and lose control in a fit of intoxication.

Mental disorder is a major factor in the killing of children. In Fatal Families (1997), Charles Ewing notes that psychotic infanticide and filicide perpetrators are most likely to be suffering from postpartum psychosis, while parents who batter their children to death are more likely to suffer from nonpsychotic mental illnesses, such as personality disorders, impulse control disorders, mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and/or substance abuse disorders. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (1994) explains that postpartum psychotic episodes are characterized by command hallucinations to kill the infant or delusions that the infant is possessed. Other researchers report that mothers who kill their newborn are often suffering from dissociative disorders at the time of the birth because they feel overwhelmed by the pregnancy and perceived lack of support, necessitating their handling the traumatic experience on their own. However, when mothers kill older children, it is the children who have mental aberrations or psychiatric conditions rather than the mother, who in fear of her life or the lives of other family members, feels she has to end the life of her child.

According to Levine and colleagues, not only are males predominantly the perpetrators, but the presence of a male in the household increases the risk of maltreatment-related fatalities, especially from physical abuse. Fathers kill infants when they cry excessively and the father has little tolerance for such disruption due to the influence of alcohol or drugs, or because he is suffering from antisocial personality disorder. Some fathers kill their son when he is old enough to challenge the father's authority and they physically fight. Occasionally, fathers have killed their daughters following rape or sexual exploitation, when they threatened to reveal the abuse.

The rate of child murder is greatly elevated in stepfamilies. Martin Daly and Margo Wilson found that whereas young children incurred about seven times higher rates of physical abuse in families with a stepparent than in two-genetic-parent homes, stepchildren were 100 times more likely to suffer fatal abuse. In a sample of men who slew their preschool-age children, 82 percent of the victims of stepfathers were beaten to death, while the majority of children slain by genetic fathers were killed by less violent means.

Suggestions for Prevention
Given the multifactored character of fatal child abuse, only a multidiagnostic and multitherapeutic approach can deal adequately with its clinical prevention. The multidiagnostic component requires an individual, marital, family, and social assessment. The multitherapeutic approach involves the use of several therapeutic modalities including individual psychotherapy, hospitalization, and/or temporary/permanent removal of the child from the home.

Physicians may also play a role in prevention by identifying particular stresses that might lead to an aberrant or unusual postpartum reaction. Post-partum changes in depression or psychosis can be observed, monitored, and treated. The physician can look for evidence of abuse, isolation, and lack of support from family or friends. Many child abuse deaths could be prevented by identifying parents at risk of abusing their children and making parenting less stressful for them. There is a need for more and better education programs aimed at teaching people how to parent and alternatives to corporal punishment. The development of programs to better identify domestic violence, along with a stronger response to identified cases of family violence, can also reduce child deaths. Finally, clinicians who identify and treat psychoses should be aware of the possible danger to children of psychotic parents and monitor the child's risk.

See also: CHILDREN; INFANTICIDE; SACRIFICE

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lizzy said...

HI Viv,
Interesting post that none of the 60 witnesses saw Madeleine after 6pm, and it is only the Mccanns who insist she was alive and well until 10pm, which is why I think they had somebody, was it Oldfield ?allegedly checking at 6.30pm if Kate and children were okay,as this is was supposed to be the confirmation Madeleine was alive and well at this time, I don't believe any of them will return for the reconstruction as this if they took part in it, would prove they were all lying. I think they will simply refuse to go, which should alert people as to their guilt, as what other parents of a missing child would refuse to cooperate with the Police.? Lizzy.

bath theory said...

Hi Viv & Ecolab

It is an accomplished and yet simple point this that we have not discussed in a major way before

'...The thing I have always found strange is I have never even heard Kate and Gerry McCann mention the reward for the safe return of Madeleine, not even in the early stages.'

As I read this Viv, I thought yet again a simple fundamental point that has not been heard or seen from this couple. All these points go back to one thing - their inability to be able to discuss Madeleine as a human being IN A HUMAN WAY.

I keep going back to Rhys Jones' parents and the contrasts are too striking.

If you had lost your oldest child who you strived years for to conceive (Imagine Gerry's ego being damaged here. Working in a hospital environment - ignorant jokes about perceived lack of virility etc)and yet within days of that special amazing child missing you are able to laugh, run carelessly on a beach and go out and play tennis when people are still frantically giving up 'holiday time' to search for YOUR child.

Most humans are capable of spotting whether someone is sincere. It involves hearing words and reading the tone involved in saying them, together with evaluating this against their facial & body movements.

In short, our survival mechanisms have been honed over thousands of years and right from the start a lot of people were uncomfortable and thinking 'something is not right' with these two and their responses and manner.

However, the manipulation of the media machine gave them a lifeline didn't it.

Their smiles and manner (IMO) was based on them thinking 'blimey we might just have got away with this' ie based on amazement and joy. Perverse because once again they were putting themselves ahead of Madeleine even in death (IMO)

Their inability to be able to discuss Madeleine as a human being IN A HUMAN WAY will in my opinion be their undoing. WHY? because in a court room the unity of the group and of their partnership will be exposed for all to see. Standing up giving evidence in court whilst answering clever barristers is a lonely and emotinally draining experience.
It is critical they are brought into a courtroom.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LEICESTERSHIRE + PORTUGESE POLICE.

Stella said...

Viv

Excellent post...

I thought I was reading it wrong the other day when I read somewhere Kate raised the alarm at 10.30?? If you think about it, it is imperative their legal team move the "goal post time lines". The excuse of no watches was simply laying the path to amend/confuse all previous times given to achieve this.

This I believe is necessary to counter Eddie's findings. Kate raises alarm at 10.00, Madeleine must have died before 8.00. If they are now saying Kate raises the alarm at 10.30, Madeleine could have died minutes after they left at 8.30, which can point now to an intruder, releasing them of sole responsibility?????

It also looks better for them raising the alarm at 10.30, calling the Police at 10.40, a 10 minute gap as opposed to 40 minutes.

There defence team have really been working very hard, haven't they.....

Zodiac said...

Morning all,


Batheory,

Your whole post I agree with, well said.

'Most humans are capable of spotting whether someone is sincere. It involves hearing words and reading the tone involved in saying them, together with evaluating this against their facial & body movements.'

The paragraph above taken from your post. This has been evident from day one and is still ongoing. The plethora of pics on 3 A's is also a great example. Most of all, every interview they do and every time they open their mouths confirms this. Also their extended family/friends behave in the same way, especially his brother who looks after the running of the fund, IMO.

I choose via my right to Freedom of Speech to say that I do not believe that M was abducted and the reasons upon which I beleive this not to be the case is the behaviour of her parents. I also choose via my right to Freedom of Speech to say that any parent/s who leave their children all aged 3and under alone whilst they wine and dine elsewhere is a CRIME and said parents are responsible for their actions and should be held accountable for the circumstances the child may or may not be in now.

Clarence Mitchell, The McCanns & Co will not take away my right to Freedom of Speech or my right to having an Opinion. I support Law & Order. IMO, WTF are the McC's doing looking at Forums and commenting on bloggers for. If they even participate in Forums and Blogging they are the lowest of low. Get of your lazy neglecting butts and look for your child if you believe she has been abducted. The innocent do not need to waste precious time to clear their names, only the guilty, IMO. How much time did you dedicate to physically search in PDL?

As Batheory has said:

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LEICESTERSHIRE + PORTUGUESE POLICE.

Thank you to Jon Gaunt, although please drop the 'plod' description of the PT police. The rest of the British press should follow his example.

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
I think the reason they have never mentioned the reward is because they believe when mentioning this experts could be watching their body language and as they know the offer is futile, as Maddie is dead, they know they would not come across credible in pushing the reward. Any other parents who genuinely believed their child had been abducted would have mentioned the reward as a priority to enduce the kidnappers to return her. I think thier staged interviews and tv appearances have been a big mistake, as they do not appear like normal parents who have lost a child. Their cold emotionless controlled appeals for Maddie's return in May 2007 seemed odd to most. But their behaviour since has been most telling, seeking to make money at every opportunity , and yet unwilling to return to Portugal to help the police in their search for their own daughter. People will quite rightly draw their own conclusions. Lizzy

lizzy said...

Hi Stella,
I agree their defense team are working hard but didn't the Tapas cook say Kate left to check on the children at 9.30pm which would bring into question why did she wait an hour before going to the restaurant to raise the alarm? But also Mrs Fenn was supposed to have asked her at 10.20pm if she should call the police on her behalf and Kate said they had already been called, so was lying as it emerged they were not called until 10.40pm. So really they have lied from the outset...Lizzy

Zodiac said...

The reward money. I do not know under what circumstances this will be paid out, the reason being it is never mentioned. Is it mentioned on their own website? Is it only paid out if the child is found alive? Is there anyway that the reward money could be manipulated, via a third party, does anyone know? Is it still available, or has it been withdrawn by the parties who made it available?

Hmmmm.... why is this reward never mentioned....the amount of time they have had on TV and the amount of Press coverage they have.... yet no mention of a reward.

Stella said...

Hi Lizzy

Wasn't Gerry doing a check at 9.15?, why would Kate then check at 9.30?

If put on the stand, would Mrs Fenn be able to confirm the exact time she spoke to her that night? I recall that Mrs Fenn said she remembered what was on the news, if the news out is on for half an hour or hourly, that could mean she is saying apporimately as opposed to exactly.

I think there is a lot of false clues being released to detract from the real truth..

Ecolab said...

Hi Viv and Bath Theori.

You two are making my head spinn and I do have some persistent lines, turning up over and over again. I`ll explain!

It is said, Madeleine is dead, she died in the appartment!
Kate : ”They taken her” WHY is Kate saying that?
Kate and Gerry saying – Abduction 100 % ! WHY are they persisting saying that?
Their ODD behavior during the night and the days to follow (laugh, run carelessly on the beach and go out and play tennis, when people are frantically giving up 'holiday time' to search for their child, the PR maschine) WHY?
NEVER a word from Kate and Gerry about `the reward for the safe return of Maddie´. WHY (It is supposed to be an huge incitament to return Maddie)?
The Tapas 9 Pact. WHY ?

This is the five WHY`S I`m dealing with. In order to ”understand” and I really do, I, among other things, use my knowledge to NLP (Neuro Linguistisk Psykologi)

Some key NLP assumptions or presuppositions in relation to Gerry and Kates behavior:

* The map is not the territory (The menu is not the meal) (The Under Agenda!)
We all have different maps of reality. No map is right or wrong, good or
bad. If the map works in the context it can be said to be a good map. The
question is, ‘Does it work’, and not, ‘Is it true’?

* People are doing the best they can given the choices available to them
There is no behaviour, however strange, that doesn’t make sense at some
level to that person.
If a person close to you dies, it is possible to move on, almost right away.
It is seen very often, both with killers, who have killed their beloved ones and by others, who have lost their relative by accident or illness. Death is a reversibel process. A thing you can`t undo and you might as well move on! What is the purpose of being in/on a uncomfortable spot?


* Every behaviour has a positive intention (There is a positive intention motivating every behavior, and a context in which every behavior has value.)The assumption of a positive intent enables the person to respect themselves and to move the work forward by attaching a differentmeaning to the same set of information.
You still remember the sexmonster Josef Fritzl? He wanted to save his daughter from smoking and drinking and kept her locked up for 24 years and Hitler he wanted to save the World. (Both highly positive intentions!)

* There is no such thing as failure, only feedback.
This frame moves the person away from, ‘I’m a failure’ to a more neutral
frame: ‘Why did that not work’? ‘What would need to be different to improve the situation?’

Let me ask you a question? Is it possible to abduct a corpse?

Said all this, I think, that K & G do have a very bad map. Things does NOT work! I know another thing. They can`t give up now. It goes for the Tapas 7 and Clarrie too. It is neck or nothing.(I`ll bet on the last!)
Too, I think, that ´this thing` about NOT mentioning the Reward: That is because of maintaining their selfrespect. It would be ”like spitting on their daughters Memory(Grave)” They know their own role in Maddies disappearence. To late for the Tapas Group to stop the undergoing show.


The new Era of Unmasking The McCanns had begone!

lizzy said...

Hi Stella,
I think you are right, they are in my opinion deliberately trying to confuse with all these conflicting timings,
the fact though that the Sunday People is evidently reporting they have refused to return for the reconstruction and are expected to refuse a second request from the Portuguese police should tell people that they are not cooperating with the police. It is wierd , they have set up the fund , leave no stone unturned to find Madeleine and when asked to return to help the Police they refuse, anybody who has donated to that fund has every right to ask for their money back...Lizzy

Stella said...

Why not mention the reward?

Could it be just in case someone, somewhere finds the remains?

Even if she has been cremated, bone fragments will be sitting somewhere. Under a rose bush or at the bottom of the sea? either way it quite possible something however small might turn up one day if the bounty is high enough...

If you don't want something found, don't send people out to find it..

Ecolab said...

Sorry

Death is a ireversibel process.
My bad spelling. *Loool* I hope you understand!
Death is like a hardboiled egg. Can never be turned back!

Stella said...

Lizzy

I have another theory. Everyone is thinking if they don't go back for the reconstruction they will look guilty. So, let's build everyone up to make it look like we will not return, so that when we do we will look innocent. A kind of reverse psychology thing..

If their lawyers can get a signed document assuring the whole group will no be arrested during this visit, they will return. Not sure if it is possible, but I bet that is what is currently going on..

Joe said...

According to one Sunday comic .....
The People



18 May 2008
MCCANNS: IT'S STILL NO TO A RE-RUN
By Marc Baker

Defiant Kate and Gerry McCann have rejected a new plea to help re-create the night their daughter Maddie vanished.

The couple had a tense showdown with Portuguese cops last week.

After refusing to fly back, they have now been told to reply "within days" to yet another request for them to attend a reconstruction in two weeks.

But sources say they will again say no.

Police want Kate, 40, and Gerry, 39, and their Tapas Seven pals to return.

But the couple have "grave reservations" about cops' motives.

They fear police aren't interested in finding Maddie and only want to charge them with neglect over the disappearance of Maddie, now five, in Praia da Luz last May.

Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "They're still considering what to do."

Ecolab said...

Joe

Great...whether they do go or they do`nt go "paytime" is up. They can`t do anything right now, can they.
Crime does not pay - not in the long run! I think you might call it - "CheckMate"?

nancy said...

This game of 'will we' or'won't we'? is not fooling anyone, lease of all the press I'm sure! In my opinion they are hoping the Crimewatch people will cave in and go along with them for the reconstruction, so they won't exactly say 'no, we won't go', but 'yes, maybe' - thinking all the time they can then accept a TV offer if it's made to them wihout losing face!! They are a very craftly lot these McCanns and their pals!

The book they intend to write when the time is right should be entitled "Leaving every single stone unturned" - they are a boil on the backside of humanity if you ask me!!

How can they even face cameras and interviewers knowing what happened to Madeleine through their complete selfishness and unprofessional behaviour- have they no shame whatsoever?, and why Gerry McCann is still being employed by the National Health with his track record of neglecting his children is beyond belief!

Kate and Gerry McCann, get yourselves on a plane to Portugal with or without the tapas pals and at least try to do something right and proper for your daughter and your siblings who will one day know just what cowards their parents are!

nancy said...

Ecolab -

Checkmate is exactly right! They have been pushed in to a corner where, as you said about the rat you saw, there is only one way to go if they want to convince the police and public that they are genuine in their belief that Madeleine is somewhere out there. And that is back to PdeL to try and find their way out of the black abyss they and their minds must be in.

I am sure the reason they have never offered the reward money in so many words is that they know there is very little point because they know Madeleine isn't around any more, even though they try to convince us all that she is! Both their body language and their lack of emotional pleading with any supposed abductor shows that to be the truth of the matter!

Cláudia said...

Hello, Viv and everybody else!

Viv, darling, you seriously pissed Rosiepoophead off! lolol I hope she checks her blood pressure regularly! ;-)
Have a greart Sunday!

dolores said...

Claudia,
Why should rp get her knickers in a twist,are these not the list of witnesses the vile Mc's gave to police to be interviewed,s/he can't have it both ways,

Joe said...

The case is at the stage now perhaps where the lawyers Caplan and the rest will no doubt come into play to plead all sorts of extenuating circumstances, human rights abuse, unfair bias treatment, that their clients endure and are mitigating circumstances for them not returning to PDL.

Cláudia said...

Dolores, I know. And that's exactly why it is bloody hilarious! :-)

nancy said...

Joe -

You are exactly right - and these lawyers the McCanns have hired are the creme de la creme of lawyers in London, so they have plenty of clout as far as protecting their dubious clients are concerned.

Kate is definitely getting carried away with the celebrity status nowadays; we've all noticed how expensive a hair cut she is sporting these days (royal hairdresser perhaps) and we women can see how perfect her make up is - obviously an expensive make up artist in tow! She obviously regards herself as a poor man's Diana with Gerry as her consort! CM would be her royal poodle of course!!

They are in for a very big let down one of these days and will have to go back to being plain Mr and Mrs McCann! I wonder how that will affect their egos!

mandarinn said...

Goode evening all.
Nancy
I likethe idea of CM as a poodle lololol... i have only a objection...poodles are such inteligent dogs mainly the small ones, lololo i can say the same about CM

mariana said...

Hello everyone

Viv
Excellent post.
I thank you.

Mandarin
You are right. Unlike CM, poodles are most intelligent.

Nancy
If you insult my poodle ever again I will take initiate legal action against you. lol

mandarinn said...

hi Mariana, anything new?

mariana said...

Mandarinn
Not much I am afraid.
Joana Morais has this info on her blog:
www.madeleinesearch.com
registrant-firstname: Mathew
registrant-lastname: Seymour
registrant-street1: 151 White Dirt Lane
registrant-pcode: PO8 0TL
registrant-state: HAM
registrant-city: Waterlooville
registrant-ccode: GB
registrant-phone: +44.2392595393
registrant-email: seymourm6@aol.com

I found it was registered and set up April 1, 2007.
I believe this site's cntents are illegal and someone has to answer for it.

mariana said...

I have found two Seymour doctors.
I don't really know which one if any are involved in this site.
Matthew T. Seymour and a Matthew w. Seymour

Of course we all know Ellee Seymour, she is pro McCann, but I do not know if she is involved with the www.madeleinesearch.com site.

mariana said...

It is all here:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/05/mccanns-timeline-put-in-question.html

mandarinn said...

I only know joanamorais site.
Thanks for the information.
I think it is on phase we have no news just wait and make especulations.Sometimes speculation can be very close the truth

nancy said...

mandarinn and mariana -

Just read back - you are right - poodles are intelligent little dogs - I had a toy one when my children were small!! In actual fact, it was better looking and far more cuddly than CM!!



Nancy x

nancy said...

Mariana -

After reading the Joana-morais blog, and the article about the photo of Madeleine with Gerry and Amelie taken by the pool, the photo is obviously seen by many people, including experts in the field of photography, as having been tampered with.

Is there no way that the original can be lifted from the computer where it would have been downloaded from the camera in the first place? Even if stuff is deleted, the hard drive could still contain evidence to support the theory that it is a fraud.

It is suggested that the situation of the sun shows that certain shadows could not have shown up at the time of day it was taken. I can't imagine why such an important piece of evidence as this one photo that the McCanns only produced three weeks after Madeleine went missing, should not be more thorougly looked into.

Of course, there is always the possibility that he used someone else's expertise, while he was back in the UK, to tag Madeleine onto the photo of he and Amelie I suppose and it wasn't loaded onto his own computer!

Madeleine certainly appears much younger and much blonder than other photos of her on that ill fated holiday!

bath theory said...

What I find interesting about the attack on Viv which headlines the couples official unofficial blog (IMO) is the language.

A personal bitterly twisted choice of words that comes across as an uneducated desperate rant. What Viv says and what we talk about is being talked about by husbands and wife's throughout the land albeit somewhat slanted by the mass media who do not access internet sites that probe.

It is the sign of desperation in my opinion and is an attempt to strike with venom.

A class rebuttal (IMO) would ignore and if words were spoken they would ensure they were passive and polite. I really do fear this couple will not go quietly if you know what I mean.

Ana said...

Hello everyone,

I think that, this article from "24 Horas",is very interesting; no one has seen Madeleine after the 6pm, what about the friend which has told that he saw Kate and the kids at 6.30pm, as we have been told by team McCann?
I read someone’s opinion, which I am intend to agree with, he says that this person did went to the apartment but only because it was supposed Gerry to play tennis and he never show up, this friend found that strange and went there to know if everything was o.k. It was not Gerry that asked him to go there, it was him proactively that choose to go and see the situation!
What kind of situation have he found there? I do not know!

Obviously the friends want to help the McCanns and is also obviously that no one wants to incriminate themselves telling the police that they saw Madeleine alive after 6pm but, they can not have both ways, can they?…
IMO, the only one that has incriminate herself was JT but, at the time, she never thought that the police would change his mind about the "abduction" returning suspicions to the Parents and friends, now she can not change that!

Apart from the Tapas friends, which were interviewed by PJ, the last interviews were made to people that was In Praia da Luz, by the British police. We have been told that, those witnesses were asked to be interviewed by the McCanns to help prove that they were completely innocents.

Although all of that, the Police seems to have still many doubts even after those interviews, my question is: if the witnesses choose by team McCann were not able to prove their innocence, I wonder the other witnesses that team McCann do not know?! Mmmmm…
I think this is the reason why they want to know, who they are and what they have told to the police and of course then, they will try to shut them, just like they have done with the Irish couple (with Retardo 3 help)!

Ecolab said...

bath theori

What is this page called?

I think you might call it "The Calm before the Storm" ?

I suppose the couple will go like maybe? The MCannanGate?

Zodiac said...

From The People

But the couple have "grave reservations" about cops' motives.

They fear police aren't interested in finding Maddie and only want to charge them with neglect over the disappearance of Maddie, now five, in Praia da Luz last May.

Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "They're still considering what to do."

CM has stated many times that what the McC's did is not a crime in PT or the UK. So why the fear? Pity they did not have grave reservations about leaving 3 little children aged 3 and under alone whilst they were elsewhere wining and dining with friends and also consider the consequences of their cr@p parenting skills in PDL, that they as Doctors along with their PR muppet state is not a crime.
This is not a Political Campaign where PR muppets try to manipulate public opinion, it is a live ongoing Police investigation into the disappearance of an innocent 3 year old neglected child. It does not matter what the public think, the wheels of justice turn without our interference.

Ana said...

Here, in Portugal, we know for quite a while that they won’t come unless they would be obliged to do so! We know their games for a long time so we are not expecting any miracle concerning that matter!

Cláudia said...

Ana, exactly! :-)
How are you? :-)

Ana said...

Hello Cláudia darling, I am fine and how are you?

Cláudia said...

Ana, I'm also fine. But very busy. This time of year is crazy. A lot of work.

Ana said...

Are you doing translations?

Cláudia said...

Not only, but also. Translations and the fact that it is the last term and that classes are almost finishing. All of a sudden, kids can't live without me! :-)

Ana said...

Oh, I see, they can’t because they must love you I suppose! You certainly are a good teacher for them!:)

Cláudia said...

They love me to bits! :-) Especially when they are in trouble and need all my help and attention! :-)

Ana said...

We all had passed by that! Even at college, I only studied at the last minute! Not a smart thing to do but…!Lolol

viv said...

Hi All

I have had trouble getting on today but it is now fixed.

Lizzie, it was Payne who was supposedly sent to check on Kate at 6.30 I think. Oldfied got used later on to say he saw the kids although not Maddie, which is him being clever and not implicating himself to the same extent at 9.30. Tanner got used to say she saw Maddie being abducted at 9.15. If you think about it they all had their little parts to play! Fiona and Rachel, along with Payne accused Murat of hanging around, Tanner changed her original story from saying she saw a man with what might have been a child wrapped in a blanket walking towards the beach, to it was a child in Maddie PJ's walking towards Murat's house. In other words there was a concerted and delberate attempt to frame Murat resulting in him getting a nasty grilling and being made an arguido. I think they should do time for that!

Viv x

Cláudia said...

Ana, I also did that. I was very lucky. Always managed to have good grades without studying that much. Of course I can't tell them that! :-)

Hi, Viv, darling! :-)

lizzy said...

HI Viv,
I agree with you Viv they do deserve to do time for trying to set Murat up the way they did.
I think Murat will have the last laugh on them as he may choose to sue a lot of people including Team Mccann for the things they have said about him, lies in fact. He has maintained a quiet dignity throughout his ordeal though, unlike the Mccanns who have tried to control the media with their conflicting info via their spokesman Clarrie... Lizzy

Ana said...

Hello Viv,

How are you?

I really don’t believe he went there, asked by Gerry; however I believe he went there to see if everything was ok because Gerry didn’t show up in the tennis lesson, imo he is lying here and he saw something strange that evening but,
Obviously he can not tell that.
At that time, they though their plan was going well, they even tried to frame Robert Murat, what they never thought was that the PJ would doubted their words, sadly for them, they did!

Cláudia, youare right, of couse you can not tell them that!Lolol

Cláudia said...

Ana, in fact, I have to tell them exactly the opposite! :-) I love those little devils! :-)

viv said...

Hi Claudia

We are lucky I guess, I was pretty lazy at school but mom always used to think I worked so hard:-) Are you still going to do PhD? I am thinking of doing one too now, at my ripe old age lololo!

Lizzie, I hope there is sufficient evidence to bring them all to justice because they deserve it. Murat has been the very clever one I think and you really do have to admire how he has managed to keep his cool and behave with such great dignity in all the circumstances. However, all the compensation in the world, cannot really put back the part of your life that got ruined but at least it will rectify the damage to his financial situation and should enable him to feel vindicated.

Hiya Ana

I am fine thanks darling, and how are you? I had another nice day working in the garden as I am feeling a lot better than I was.

You may be right that Payne did turn up to see why Gerry did not appear for the final lesson, but I would have thought it is just a creation to say Maddie was alive, I believe around the time she actually got killed. There is grave discrepancy as to just where Gerry was at this time and I have certainly not ruled out the possibility it was him that killed Madeleine. His scheming and money grabbing behaviour ever since would clearly suggest fame and fortune was his motivation and that he does not have any concern about Madeleine. To me this all adds up to him being a psycopath. The sickening grin outside the Whitehouse clearly implies this is where he saw himself at the very highest levels "looking at the wider political agenda" as he stated at the time to my great shock. The sick smile also implies he was then riding on the crest of a wave, but now a tsunami arrived as Claudia pointed out..he discovered the PJ are much better than the keystone cops he thought they were! In fact they are much brighter than him and trained in psychology, so they can read him like a book, and so can we :-)

Cláudia said...

Hello, Viv.
Well, my mom always knew I didn't study that much but she could not complain because I had good results! :-)
As for the PhD, yes, it is still a project. I am just not sure when I will start. I'm thinking about having some time off, between the masters and the PhD. But it is still a goal to achieve. :-) I think you should do it. Learning new things is wonderful. And when you do it because you want to, not because you have to, it's even better!

viv said...

Hiya darling

My mom did know, the biggest item in my school satchell was generally a large historical novel I got from the library which I would sit and read when lessons were just too boring:-)

I certainly would like to do it and as you know someone has to pay for me to do so, which is good:-)

Viv x

Cláudia said...

Yes, that is always a positive thing! :-)

Sleep tight, darling. I'm really sleepy tonight! :-)

xxxxxxx

viv said...

Nite Nite darling

dorme bem
com amor
vivxxxxx

Ana said...

Viv,
I am fine thank you darling, I’ve been busy so,I have not been able to post that much. Hope this week will be better.

"The sickening grin outside the Whitehouse clearly implies this is where he saw himself at the very highest levels..."

Lolol, you are so right! Never saw that picture that way but now that you mention it … I always thought that picture, as one that would be framed and placed on a wall at the mansion, for later recalled, with the caption: I was there! A Kodak moment!
I never thought that Kate have done it alone and like you say, I have serious doubts about Gerry, I don’t like him a bit, never believed a word he said, he is a dangerous person, much worst than Kate, he is a manipulative liar, she is a frightened woman but, she is not stupid she knows very well what she is doing!

THEY HAVE BEEN SIMPLY WORRIED ABOUT SAVING THEIR BACKSIDES. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS!

All that we know, for now, is that Madeleine is not with her parents anymore and of who is the fault of that? Not me, not Madeleine, not her brother and sister, not the police but THEIR PARENTS FAULT! Everything can happen at the end of the inquiry but no one will change my mind about this issue!

Ana said...

Cláudia,

Boa noite, dorme bem.

Beijinhos
xx

viv said...

Just for once I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with the Pink Trolls concerning the judge who failed to imprison this man who groomed an 11 year old who the judge actually blamed - is he a paedophile himself?? Because this is typically what paedophiles do, blame the victim, "well she loved me and she was up for it, otherwise I would not have carried on..I was very gentle with her and only took it as far as she wanted me to go, I think she had sex with others before me.." There is a very predictable and recognised cycle of abuse that paedophiles engage in with children and this man was well through that cycle, attempting to rape her. He expended considerable time and effort in achieving his ultimate aim, 900 texts etc. Probation Officers are trained to understand the behaviour of such people, assess the risk of harm they pose to children and advise the court as to an appropriate sentence. If the offender poses a high risk of harm to children the sentence proposed will always be a custodial one, because this is the only thing that such offenders understand and actually stops them from posing a risk of harm to children. When you have idiotic judges likes this completely ignoring the advice he received what is the point of probation officers assessing offenders and offering the court appropriate advice. A probation officer's first and foremost duty is to protect the public, most particularly innocent little children, like an 11 year old who does not have the capacity to make an informed choice when being manipulated for sex by an adult. Even many adult women do not realise when they are just being used in this way, what person would expect an 11 year old to know? It is very distressing to probation officers when they see such an offender punching the air with delight because he is able to continue with business as usual. Yes, probation officers supervise offenders but they cannot be watching them 24/7 and neither can the police. This judge should be investigated and asked to stand down or at the very least face stringent re-training on sexual offences. How terrible for the child's poor mum to hear his sickening remarks, not to mention the inevitable damage to the child who will need intensive work with a child pscyhologist and quite proably continuing into adulthood. No doubt a psychologist did say he needs help but I am quite certain, he/she would have meant in a custodial setting prior to ultimate release on supervision in the hope that his risk of harm could be reduced before he was returned to society. Such judges repeatedly fail children and it is wicked and shameful that in the 21st century chilren can still be abused in this way and have their right to protection from the law simply ignored.

Viv x


This is so wrong..
by archer on Sat May 17, 2008 9:25 pm

Hiya ..apologies if this is old news to you,

I have been reading an article from last weeks news, and quite frankly can't believe what I saw.

Have a look and see what you make of it. (last Friday's DE )

ARE JUDGES TOO SOFT ON PAEDOPHILES?


Are our children safe from paedophiles?

Friday May 9,2008
By Tony Brooks
A JUDGE was yesterday accused of “living in the Neanderthal age” when he let free a high-risk paedophile who groomed and abused an 11-year-old girl.

Jon Dixon, 20, tried to rape and regularly molested the youngster he met on the internet during her lunch hour after texting her in class.

The pair exchanged 900 text messages of a graphic sexual nature, Manchester Crown Court heard.

Probation officers ruled Dixon “manipulative and predatory” and posing a “high risk of serious harm”.

But Judge Robert Atherton sparked fury by rejecting the findings and saying the girl “welcomed” sexual activity which was not forced and was “inappropriately aware” of sex. He cited a psychology report saying Dixon “needed help”.

The girl’s mother broke down and wept and Dixon punched the air after receiving a three-year community service order.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Whichever way you look at this, I seriously question the Judge as a fit person to ever preside over cases like this again. Indeed, I seriously question the fact that he could be allowed to preside over any cases ever again. Big full stop.

Ana said...

Viv,
I think I’ve read that report on the Daily Mail, I was shocked when I read it and I didn’t post the case here because I thought that if no one had mention it , who am I to do so?
You are right this judge should be investigated.

Ana said...

Tinkerbell43 said...
They are speculating on TWS, that Murat was set up by the Tapas. Shame he was already an Arguido before the Tapas done their interviews!!
By Tinkerbell
18 May 2008 23:13


Oh Jesus Christ, what?! Is this the joke of the year?
What can we say to ignorant people?
Answer: Don’t say anything at all, is not worth it! Is completely unnecessary! They would never understand!

viv said...

Hiya Ana I know they do it all the time and I just think thank god I am no longer trying to have a discussion with such people.

They should try the stupid test, read it very carefully before hitting the post button and try to think now does that make me sound like I am really stupid. Trouble is they are so stupid they could not manage the test!

It takes an intelligent person to be reflective.

Ana said...

Viv,
Well, Intelligence is something that we will never find there, that is for sure!
Now Rosie, was begging to that charlatan Brian (you know, the one that knows everythiiiiing dreaming, the one that was beggiiiiing money to find Maddie as he want to make the trip to Paria da Luz but,which now is saying that, Madeleine is probably dead), to post there her video as she is desperate!
So They believe him, what else one can say?
Intelligence = 0


Goodnight dear Viv, I am off now.
See you tomorrow! :)


Rosiepolpas said,
Hi brian, I wonder could you put this video on your site? I made it and I am trying to get it seen in as many places as possible. Hope you can Help Anything I feel desperate all if a sudden about this and felt theneed to do something - fast!
rehards Rosie x

By Rosiepops

..........................................................
Big wave to Rosieoldpolpas!Maybe Sue Healy will see it!

hope4truth said...

Viv I am posting the below reply here as Troll does not want the case discussed please feel free to delete it (as I am so terified of you I dont want to upset you in any way LOL)

Tulip

Just having a break at work and checked in.

What the hell do I have to fear? Do you really believe that I am scared to leave a blog?

I will never acccept what I am being told by team McCann and still cant get my head round any parent neglecting their children the way they did. They dont need my forgivness I am nothing to them but they have forgiven themselves totaly and have tried to pass the blame.

If there was an abductor why all the spin that it what I really dont understand it would not be needed.

I will continue to post on Viv's but if I ever do decide to leave I will do so without making an excuse as I dont need one. I read the blog you post on last night and found it disturbing do you really hate Portugal that much (not yourself personaly) and do you believe that if they had neglected her in England she would have been any safer? There are no degrees of neglect here Madeline is missing would you leave a child of that age alone in an unlocked room to go to a bar?

Please dont worry about me after reading the site of your choice for a while last night I found a lot of the comments vile as well. it is everyone elses fault bar Gerry and Kate is that right???

Oh and if she was abducted I hope the vile scum rots in hell but to leave her in the first place was wrong.

This is my opinion and I dont wish Kate and Gerry any more sadness but know if my child was missing a PR man and Lawyer would be the last thing on my mind. I would blame myself for being so stupid and would answer every question put to me.

This is strange though to be scared of the internet why would I be take any of my comments do what you want with them I really dont care.

Neglect is against he law and thanks to these two Shannon Mathews was put in danger by her stupid Mother and dumb ass boyfriend as long as the McCanns are held as saints other idiots will think it is ok to neglect their children there needs to be a very clear message that it is wrong.

Madeleine is missing and it may well be because they did not do what should come naturaly and as Dr's please dont ask me to believe they were naive or god help the NHS.

Stella said...

Why are there no British newspapers writing about the reconstruction on the 29th? Nothing on TV news reports either?

The 29th, surely is progession.

It will demonstrate all key elements.

A pivotal, strategic moment in attempting to solve the mystery of the century.

And yet, no one is covering it, why?

nancy said...

Stella - Hi!

I have thought the same thing; very odd that it's not being covered at all! Perhaps they are waiting for the procrastinaters to make their minds up!! The McCanns are waiting on what the tapas pals have decided, and probably the tapas pals are waiting to see what K&G want to do!

I've already said that I think Kate is waiting for an offer to star in the Crimewatch version - I don't think the Crimewatch team are too interested in covering it; maybe because if it shows the tapas 9 as looking guilty, it doesn't look good on them for paying them all to take part!! Who knows?
All I know is that Gerry said on the GMTV interview that their ordeal has been 'almost unbearable' - oh, not completely then! and that "they have been pulled through it all by the twins". He also said that "any parent would understand that they would go to the ends of the earth to get Madeleine back"!! But not as far as Portugal - yet!!!

I hope you are well today Stella!

Stella said...

Nancy, Hi

I am doing just fine, thank you for asking. The sun is out but it is much colder than it was last week...

This is a very interesting time don't you think. They have been given two weeks to make a very important decision. One that could be fatal, should they make the wrong choice. I personally feel the PJ are now preparing to make a move.

nancy said...

Stella -

Let's hope you are right! I can't wait for this whole thing to be over - it's been going on such a long time and people are beginning to get McCann syndrome i.e. sick and tired!!!

Glad you are well and that it's sunny in Kent! It's like April weather here in the Costa Blanca - bit of sun, bit of rain, and not very warm either!!! Mustn't grumble though because look at Burma and China - poor people and so many lives lost!! Tragic!

nancy said...

Stella - As you seem to be the only one around! I'm just off for a walk now - back later!

Nx

bath theory said...

Ecolab

The calm before the storm indeed but may I indulge just one last time in saying... me thinks they won't go quietly.

:)

viv said...

Hiya all

Bath, I agree they will not go quietly and why can't the group as a whole make up their mind whether or not they will go and help the Portuguese Police..I think the answer to that is obvious.

Hope, thanks for your post and I continue to respect your views focussing as you do on the child neglect. This is a very serious issue and it does need focussing on to protect other children. Even if the McCanns account were to be true, then Madeleine got abducted because they left her alone, yet again, and with the door open.

I did read the troll last night demanding you admit that you are afraid of me! Given the psychosis and threats displayed there I think most people would be afraid of her!

Luv Viv x

dolores said...

Viv
I wish pinky would explain what these serious questions are,were the questions that PJ asked Mc's not serious also?
He then states they will do anything to find their daughte.,Except to co-operate, why are they keeping up this charade, they should be telling PJ where she is.They just won't admit that they are all cowards and that their daughter is not worth the truth, only the cash benefits she is bringing them.
X D


10:30 - 19 May 2008

Madeleine McCann's parents and their friends could return to Portugal in the next two weeks to re-enact the night of the youngster's abduction.

Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said talks were going on among the group over whether it would be useful.

However, it is understood they are wary of returning to Portugal, where Mr and Mrs McCann remain formal suspects.

Police in Portugal are reported to be pushing for the group to return to Praia da Luz for the re-enactment, which would be to help the investigators and would not be televised.

Mr Mitchell told reporters: "The discussions about the possible visit by all nine are ongoing. It is down to the friends - as well as Kate and Gerry - to decide whether they want to go back.

"Of course, Kate and Gerry would do anything they could if they thought it would help find their daughter.

"There are some serious questions surrounding the value of the proposed exercise."

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/d ... K=20659698

dylan said...

Hi all,

Just a quick post to say:

Hope's 12.07 post of today - bravo! Brilliantly put. Hope - never say again that you're not very good at putting across what you mean. I've been trying to phrase it too, but so far haven't managed it, so you've saved me the job! Excellent :)))

Only saying this tho as viv made me & I'm scared of her!!! ;)


dyl xxx

hope4truth said...

Hi ALL

Thought I had better post or Viv will (actually what is it they think Viv will do if I dont or dare to disagre with her?) One theory is I could loose my job but as I work for myself unless as stated last night I have a split personality I cant see myslef sacking myself????

I am being called all the names under the sun now but so what no diffrent to the DX and one silly cow on there made me tough up so what the hey...

As for Karen Mathews as mentioned on there just now I remeber some doubt about her being posted here (cant remeber who it was) and the other blog ripping them apart for being so evil. I must admit I never saw Shannons Mum being involved myself but did not think the creep she was with should be anywhere near children there was something about him that was not right the way he kept kissing Karen. I was upset when Karen was arrested as I was praying Shannon would know that her Mum loved her and was not involved in a sick money making scheme in her daughters name.

And of course the McCann's are not to blame for what happend to this poor child but he mentality that is out there see two parents who neglect their children night after night get a pile of cash and so say celebrity status instead of a trip to the police station and court and they may belive it is a good thing???

I will repeat again and again neglect is wrong and although I still maintain there is no point locking them up (if neglect is all they are guilty of) as the twins do not need any more disruption in their young lives. I dont hate the McCann's but I dont think much of them but that makes no odd's many people feel the same as me (although most of them dont waste hours posting about it) many people I know just tut when they are mentioned and say poor little girl because at the end of the day Madeleine is missing and a 3 year old child deserves answers.

I am sick of the spin from CM Kate and Gerry will do all they can to help and then refuse to go back to PDL.

If they are inocent of all else but neglect they have nothing to fear and if I was told a reconstruction may help or asked questions about my missing child I would be running to the plane because I would assume that once I had answered every question and helped the reconstruction they may belive me and get back to searching for my child. But as we know many questions remain un answered and I cant think of one reason why?

So say what you want about me I will never sink to your leval and start to abuse individual posters we all have a point of view and will never agree but some of the comments I read yesterday about Portugal the PJ and the posters here were vile.

Maybe I am boring as I have repeated the neglect for a year but again it is the only fact that has been proved to be true and it is very very wrong maybe you should lobby the NSPCC to tell them not to advertise anymore all those poor children who's parents dont come when they call for them they have been on TV for a couple of years now and I still think they are so sad and I am watching actors.

I can honestly say if Madeleine turned up alive and well I would be overjoyed and if she could get on with her childhood with her family without to many scars wonderful. I would not change my view of the McCann's but it would be the only ending that I would really like to see.

See some of you later I have a real friend here now who thinks I am mad for posting but finds the comments about me really funny xxx

dolores said...

Hope,
I watched an Indiana jones movie recently,the scene where they were in a cave, and the floor was covered in scorpians,it reminded me of yours, and others bravery going on that site. :))
I am afraid there is no hope for that mindset of thinking,they are a lost cause.

XX D

dylan said...

Lol! Hope - just read through the whole ST/Assassin discourse you had last night. I must say you defended yourself admirably(and honestly, civily and decently) and judging by your last post here tonight you have gained confidence in your posts. Now you've gathered momentum there'll be no stopping you - great, good for you!!

What a bunch of nasty, scheming, slimy, bitchy, bullies. I bet they picked on all of the smallest and vulnerable kids at school and now that they've left (if they have left) they must have a "bully void" in their lives.

I'll shut up now as I wouldn't want to go down the ST trade-mark "bitchfest" route & colour this blog with it.

Justice for Madeleine, all abused children, lets put a stop to the "Matthews Syndrome". Ole!

Dyl xx

hope4truth said...

Dolores

LOL it is not that bad and to be fair I really think they belive I am here because I am scared which I dont understand but some of the posts from them last night seemed to really care or maybe hapless hope is just a bit daft and naive and they were just taking the micky out of me who knows???

xxx

hope4truth said...

Dyl

I cant believe I stayed up so late talking to people I dont know (then to be honest none of us know each other do we)some posts were strange but others I think they believe that I have to stay here and I cant work out why they would think that???

I am going to stop defending myself now they can believe what they want to belive I will still maintain neglect is wrong and spin is not needed in the case of a missing child and if that makes me an evil old bat who smells then that is what I am...

Are you ok ??? xxx

Cláudia said...

Just wanted to say hello to everybody but I'm too afraid of Viv so I think I won't!lololololololololol (this long lololololololololol is especially for all the child neglect and convicted child murderers - leonor and João Cipriano, as well as Rachel Charles' convicted killer - defenders out there, because I know they love it!). :-)

mandarinn said...

Hello all, good evening
About the bunch of child neglectors supporters one thing make my jaw fall down is how they take support in leonor cipriano :O!!!! they didn't realize yet to whom are they being compared??!!
Hey Claudia how are you?
Hope , how is your teeth ?

Cláudia said...

Hello, Mandarinn. I'm fine, thanks. How are you?
I have to say that I am not that surprised about that bunch of sickos defending Leonor and João Cipriano. They probably feel some connection to them, God knows why. They feel empathy for great people, don't they? The Cipriano brothers, Raches Charles killer, child neglecters, etc. Great company! :-)

mandarinn said...

Claudia
I'm prety well thanks.Are you happy with the portuguese football team in your city?

Cláudia said...

Well, Mandarinn, I've woeked ll day, but the city was a real mess today! :-) I', a great fan of football, especially of our National Team. And I suffer quite a lot during matches! :-)

nancy said...

The McCanns and the tapas friends only sat in the tapas bar for the one night I believe,the night of the 3rd May, where, according to Gerry, it was just like being in the garden.

The night of the 2nd May, they were in a restaurant where they considered it too far to take the children without a pushchair and where they were called back by the MW staff on that night because poor Madeleine was crying. How often had the tapas 9 checked that night, or was it only K&G who left their children at home alone.

Their act of abandonment led to the disappearance of Madeleine, but it could just as well have led to the disappearance of more of the tapas parents'children. If we are to believe their story of a predator, he would certainly have had more than one window of opportunity on either night!

If Madeleine was taken then it was the fault of her parents for leaving the children in the first place; and how do we really know how many times the tapas 9 checked on any night, if at all?

If there is to be justice for neglected children in this world then parents must pay the price and if prison is the only way to stop other parents doing the same as them then so be it. It would not be right to imprison some parents for neglect, but allow other parents who have done the same, but have good connections to go free because they have other children at home! There mustn't be one law for one and another for someone else who happens to be further down the social scale!

hope4truth said...

Goodnight all

xxx

viv said...

Hiya all before I look at the blog
IF LIKE ME YOU HAVE TENDER PLANTS IN THE GARDEN GO AND PUT SOME POLYTHENE OR OLD NETS OVER THEM BECAUSE

GROUND FROST TONIGHT - if it does not kill them it will give them a nasty check! Asda gave me loads of polythene sheeting so my garden is now pretty much covered it it:-)


Viv x

viv said...

Hi All

In Portugal I learned they have an offence called child endangerment, where the child was placed at such serious risk of harm that she died the maximum penalty is 10 years imprisonment. The law is not there just to punish individuals who break it, it is there to send a message to other parents about what will happen if they behave in the same way. This is how the law protects innocent children. I do not believe the McCanns were regularly checking on their children at all. Had they done so they would have found little Madeleine crying her eyes up the previous night and any parent who knows that happened and makes a conscious choice to go and do it again, is not safe to look after children and does deserve a custodial sentence.

Viv x

nancy said...

Good morning Viv -

I can't believe there is frost again in the UK after all the hot weather you've had recently! Talking about Asda makes me homesick!!

Portugal may have strict laws for child neglect, but then they are a nation of child lovers, just like Spain! I'm not saying that the majority of British people don't love their kids too - of course they do - but if there is no deterrent then those who would abuse their children in any way, shape, or form, are more likely to do it! So you have to be cruel to be kind really in the long run!

It's inconceivable that the McCanns left Madeleine on the night of the 2nd to go to a restaurant as far away as they did!! It would be interesting to know if they actually checked that night before they were sent home by MW staff! Poor little Madeleine crying in her bed for so long! It's heartbreaking!

Nancy x

LittleGreyCell said...

Morning All,

Here's a link to a thread on the 3As with pics of Praia da Luz, thanks to Lovemedo who recently went there.

http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13157&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

There's a shot of the now infamous Chaplins, too.

hope4truth said...

Morning LGC

Are you ok have not seen you for ages xxx

nancy said...

Very interesting read of 3 arguidos re government involvement and the hoax theory!

'grooming the McCanns'! - by Blackwatch

http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=13144&view=previous

These McCanns seem to have more mates in high places than there are ants in an anthill!

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Hope!

Yes, I'm fine, thanks, just had a couple of deadlines to meet. I don't get distracted when I'm really up against the clock, the work just takes over on its own accord, but I'm really well!

How are you? Is the horrible tooth thing done and dusted now?

X

docmac said...

Good morning all. I can't stay but just popped in to say there is a quiz on Supertroll's site. The questions are fairly hard to understand as many are not written in English.I see LGC was around this morning - hello! - and I'm sure she would love to have a go. I'm not sure what the prize is this time, but I thought I'd get my entry in early. Have a nice day all.


1) Why do you post there?
Because Viv loves me.

2) What good do you expect will come out from posting there?
This coming from you?

3) Why do you condone the fact that lies posted there on a daily basis?
If those doctors would just stop lying it wouldn’t be necessary.

4) Why do you condone that such a tragedy is being used as an excuse for people to entertain themselves?
No, the tragedy occurred because people were entertaining themselves.

5) How do you feel about the fact that some use this tragedy to post 'satyre' and try to be funny in the most maliciously possible way?
I agree, ‘satyre’ is not funny, not even in a maliciously possible gobbledygook way.

6) Do you think it is right for someone to pretend to be a doctor so that he can post his sick theories regarding a little girl and pretend to have some authority and inside knowledge over the case?
No, but I have not seen anyone doing so. Is it the Spanish psychiatrist you allude to?

7) Do you really believe a real doctor would ever demean himself to post there?
Absolutely not. I don’t feel the slightest bit demeaned.

8) How do you feel about people who write posts full of crude sexual innuendo on a site which is supposed to be about the disappearance of a little girl?
I didn’t know your site was supposed to be about the disappearance of a little girl.

9) Why didn't you speak out when Viv and Ecolab decided to make those disgusting sexual abuse claims regarding Madeleine?
I had a mouth full of tapas grub at the time and my head was spinning from all that Montana.

10) Why didn't you object when she posted those doctored pictures of the McCanns, who are after all, grieving parents?
But they’re real, just like the pool photo.

11) Given the recent 'outing' of Assassin in this blog allegedly carried out by Viv, do you condone this behaviour?
I didn’t know Assassin was outed in your blog. It’s an eye for an eye on there then.

12) Do you condone poster's details been published online, effectively putting their children at risk?
I don’t think the risk comes from without. Ask Britney Spears’ kids.

13) How do you feel about posting among people who openly support perverts in their own blogs?
Try as you might, you are never going to persuade me to post on your blog.

14) What do you think about the treatment and insults given out by Viv to anyone she disagrees with?
I think she should charge for this service.

15) Are you happy posting with people who openly support corrupt policemen and police beatings?
Thankfully I have not encountered this problem.

16) If you feel uncomfortable about any of the stuff mentioned here, why do you still carry on posting there?
Nothing you have mentioned has made me feel uncomfortable - ever.

17) What really happened to 2345?
Is this a trick question?

18) Don't you have any decency?
No, I’m grotesque and sinister. And I hate rabbits.

19) What has Viv got on you?
I wet the bed once when I was two and a half. There, it’s in the open now. Thank you, thank you.

20) Why are you so happy to be part of such a hate campaign?
Your spelling is atrocious. The word is spelt t-r-u-t-h.


Speaking of truth, don't let them get to you with all their idiotic psychobabble, Hope! And if the deranged one there has your e-mail address I would suggest you change it.

dolores said...

Doc,
I could'nt have answered it better myself.
XX D

Cláudia said...

Doc, lolololololololololololol

Thank you, my friend!

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Docmac!

Well, here's my paper - when do we get the results?


1)Why do you post there?

a). Because it is my right in a country in which freedom of speech is enshrined in law. b). Because the Pros are hell bent on getting me to stop posting, which is decidedly suspicious, and which may mean they have a dodgy agenda like, say, trying to protect self-confessed child neglecters. Which is morally repulsive and shouldn’t be given in to. c). Because I want to discuss the biggest mystery of modern times with like-minded people.


2) What good do you expect will come out from posting there?

What good do YOU expect will come from trying to stop me posting??

3) Why do you condone the fact that lies posted there on a daily basis?

How do you know they are lies? Do let on...

4) Why do you condone that such a tragedy is being used as an excuse for people to entertain themselves?

We are not “entertaining ourselves”. We are discussing all aspects of a highly complex case with many layers and many players. If you cared more about what became of a 3 year-old girl than her selfish parents, maybe you’d be trying to work out the truth, too.

5) How do you feel about the fact that some use this tragedy to post 'satyre' and try to be funny in the most maliciously possible way?

I feel fine about it because it is used to make points without proselytising. It can do this because of irony, which plainly you, ST, are incapable of understanding. Satire is not pointless. It has a function. It is a tool. (Surprised you don’t recognise a tool, SuperT). Would still love to see you trapped in a lift with Ian Hyslop and Rory Bremner.

6) Do you think it is right for someone to pretend to be a doctor so that he can post his sick theories regarding a little girl and pretend to have some authority and inside knowledge over the case?

I don’t know of anyone who is pretending to be a doctor. And aren’t YOU pretending to “have some authority and inside knowledge over the case” by dismissing everything which doesn’t fit an abduction scenario ? What about YOUR “inside knowledge” showing Madeleine was abducted, then? You must have some, seeing as you are so abusive about any other explanation.

7) Do you really believe a real doctor would ever demean himself to post there?

It’s not at all demeaning to post on Viv’s site. And just what is your hang up with doctors? Still waiting for yours to get back from the tapas bar??

8) How do you feel about people who write posts full of crude sexual innuendo on a site which is supposed to be about the disappearance of a little girl?

So you DO admit Viv’s site is about the disappearance of a little girl! Why ask us why we post here, then?? And I haven’t seen any “crude sexual innuendo”.


9) Why didn't you speak out when Viv and Ecolab decided to make those disgusting sexual abuse claims regarding Madeleine?

Actually, whilst I was nothing to do with that conversation, you – and I - don’t actually know whether there’s any foundation to it or not, do we? Or are you Gerry or Kate, ST? How would you know otherwise? Sexual abuse is disgusting whenever and to whomever it happens. Personally, I don’t have the knowledge to take part in that discussion, but these things happen to children all the time and I really don’t see why you are so OVERLY-reviled here by something which is already completely repulsive to all normal people – unless you really are Gerry or Kate and know categorically that sexual abuse was never an issue. Or that it was.


10) Why didn't you object when she posted those doctored pictures of the McCanns, who are after all, grieving parents?

DOCMAC: But they’re real, just like the pool photo.

LGC: Here you go again, ST, making assertions – based on what, exactly? – that the McCanns had nothing at all to do with the disappearance of their daughter. You’ve never said how it is you are so absolutely sure they are solely the victims of a child abduction...

11) Given the recent 'outing' of Assassin in this blog allegedly carried out by Viv, do you condone this behaviour?

No idea what this is about.

12) Do you condone poster's details been published online, effectively putting their children at risk?

Again, not a clue what you’re talking about.

13) How do you feel about posting among people who openly support perverts in their own blogs?

Who is supporting perverts, for god’s sake? How do YOU feel about doing the dirty work for two people who, as official arguidos, may just have had something to do with Madeleine’s disappearance, and who were, at best, completely negligent in their duty of care to very small children? Where does this put you in the morals stakes?

14) What do you think about the treatment and insults given out by Viv to anyone she disagrees with?

Eh? Do you not read your own blog?? Priceless.

15) Are you happy posting with people who openly support corrupt policemen and police beatings?

Have I missed a couple of pages??

16) If you feel uncomfortable about any of the stuff mentioned here, why do you still carry on posting there?

Erm, fish? Is that the right answer?

17) What really happened to 2345?

Oo, another mystery! OK, did she have an identity crisis and find out she’s really 6789? Did she go forth and multiply and now has to spend her days taking care of a load of little integers? Oh, I know this one…is she in a blue sports bag in your wardrobe??

18) Don't you have any decency?

Plenty. Which is why I find it so extremely distasteful that you harass and bully and abuse people simply because they are exercising their freedom of speech, which doesn’t fit in with your own particular agenda. Are you getting paid to stick up for the McCanns and bully us ‘Antis’ ST? How ‘decent’ would you rate that?

19) What has Viv got on you?

What have Kate and Gerry got on you?

20) Why are you so happy to be part of such a hate campaign?

I refer the honourable poster (well, I am a comedian) to the answer I previously gave to Q. 14. Don’t you read your own blog??


Will now wait by the door for the postman with my results...

;)

mandarinn said...

Good afternoon
LGC Great post. congratulation

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Mandarinn,

Thank you! I don't think anything ever gets through to the people on that site, but sometimes you just have to say it...

:)

Cláudia said...

1) Why do you post there?

Because Madeleine existed, was neglected and his now dead. Because I wish to do so. Because I don't take orders from anyone. Because I do not let anyone bully me. Because I don't let a bunch of pathetic child neglect and child killers fans influence me with their silly threats. Because here there are people who I like a lot.

2) What good do you expect will come out from posting there?

Personally, I think that it won't make any difference in terms of the outcome. But it is incredibly important because it is a way to show people with a very specific agenda that they won't ever be able to shut people up and stop them from exercising their freedom of expression. And because it makes it crystal clear that not all the PR and spin in the whole world can hide what is there for all to see.

3) Why do you condone the fact that lies posted there on a daily basis?

I am only responsible for what I write, not for what other people write. And you are the one who says they are lies. Since I don't believe a word you write because I have caught you lying (I never posted on your shit hole), I assume that you are lying when you say some posters here post lies. The mere fact that you have the nerve to imply that other people lie, is absolutely hilarious and takes away that microscopic trace of credibility some brainless creatures still thought you had.

4) Why do you condone that such a tragedy is being used as an excuse for people to entertain themselves?

That is how you see it. I don't think anyone here is entertaing themselves. We are all here because two idiot, irresponsible, selfish, coward and neglectful parents were entertaining themselves while they should be taking care of the most precious things they had in their lives. In my book, refusing to shut up and keeping fighting for justice is not entertaining ourselves. In fact, it is the opposite of entertainment since we have all been subjected to insults and threats. But I'm sure you find it funny. Your pals certainly did. They were all laughing and telling jokes 2 or 3 hours after knowing that Mari Luz's body had been found. It was probably a private joke.

5) How do you feel about the fact that some use this tragedy to post 'satyre' and try to be funny in the most maliciously possible way?

See answer to question number 4. You should really read what your friends write. You know, reading is also interpreting. But I'm not sure you can grasp that concept.

6) Do you think it is right for someone to pretend to be a doctor so that he can post his sick theories regarding a little girl and pretend to have some authority and inside knowledge over the case?

Sorry, wrong person to ask. I'm one of those people who are certain this statement of yours is a lie. In fact, there is more than one lie in that statement which should be considered some kind of a record. But I totally undertand why you are disappointed with doctors. Most of us would never dream that they would be capable of neglecting their own children in such a disgusting, repulsive way. I'm with you on this one.

7) Do you really believe a real doctor would ever demean himself to post there?

No, I don't think any doctor (or any thinking person for that matter) would demean himself/herself and post on your blog.
Do you think a real doctor would ever neglect his/her own child, run away when things got hot and then hide and do whatever possible not to help authorities find out what happened to his/her daughter?

8) How do you feel about people who write posts full of crude sexual innuendo on a site which is supposed to be about the disappearance of a little girl?

I find it disgusting, repulsive and criminal. That is exactly why Viv decided to close this blog to posters in general and make it for members only. So your side of the fence would be stopped from venting their sick thoughts here. But you couldn't expect any better from people who defend child neglecters and convicted child killers (the Cipriano brothers and Rachel Charles' killer).

9) Why didn't you speak out when Viv and Ecolab decided to make those disgusting sexual abuse claims regarding Madeleine?

Personally, it never crossed my mind that Madeleine could have been sexually abused and I still don't have any reasons to believe otherwise. And I told that to Viv. However, that does not give me the right to interfere with other people's opinions. That is the purpose of a blog where comments can be posted. I do, however, believe Madeleine was an abused child because I consider neglect a form of abuse. When three under 4 year old children are not more important than a meal with friends in a Tapas Bar, those poor children are certainly being abused in their rights.

10) Why didn't you object when she posted those doctored pictures of the McCanns, who are after all, grieving parents?

Are they doctored? Or was the doctoring done to a previous doctoring? No, I'm sure they are al real. All of them. Just like all the versions from the Tapas pals. Let 's call it different approaches to reality. The McCanns are grieving parents? Man, they could have fooled me!

11) Given the recent 'outing' of Assassin in this blog allegedly carried out by Viv, do you condone this behaviour?

Assassin was outed? How am I supposed to know if that is true? Am I supposed to take your word for it? You really are trying hard to make me PMSL, aren't you? I'm glad you had the intelligence to put the word 'allegedly' in your question. It must have been a sane moment.

12) Do you condone poster's details been published online, effectively putting their children at risk?

No, absolutely not. I don't condone such a thing at all. That is why I was shocked at the supposed outing of Rat, which was apparently a wrong outing but nevertheless a stupid one. But I don't remember you being so shocked at the time. I'm sure you were but I was just not paying attention.

13) How do you feel about posting among people who openly support perverts in their own blogs?

If I wanted to be among people who openly support perverts in their own blogs I would be posting on your shit hole and on the House of Filth. Those are the correct places to support all sorts of criminals.

14) What do you think about the treatment and insults given out by Viv to anyone she disagrees with?

Interestingly, I have disagreed with Viv a few times and I don't ever recall being insulted. Publicly, that is. Because as she has a lot of info on me and I am so afraid of her, she took a quick trip to my place (just around the corner, like Tarifa) and she beat the crap out of me. That is why I have posted less lately. Some of my broken fingers are still not good enough for posting (which is why my PJ friend is posting this for me, of course!).

15) Are you happy posting with people who openly support corrupt policemen and police beatings?

Not that smart now. Where is the allegedly? Would you like to be a little more specific? Because from what I remember, you might be talking about the British Police who murdered an innocent Brazillian citizen. Of course that according to some of your chums he was an illegal emigrant so he deserved being cold bloddedly murdered with seven shots in the head. But I'm sure that was a single incident and that it doesn't affect the whole of the British Police. That is why I think it is totally unfair and uncalled for that you use that kind of language to describe such a brilliant authority.

16) If you feel uncomfortable about any of the stuff mentioned here, why do you still carry on posting there?

Darling, I have never posted on your shit hole. I know you think I did, but I never did. One day, I might. But when that happens, you will be absolutely positive it is me. And it won't be good news.
P.S: I don't feel uncomfortable with what other people write on blogs. I agree or disagree. That's all.

17) What really happened to 2345?

She was probably abducted by the phantom, faceless man who 'took' Madeleine on May the 3rd 2007.

18) Don't you have any decency?

Yes, I do. And that is exactly why we are in different sides of the fence. But it's interesting that you feel the need to ask us that question. I would never ask it to any of your chums. It's pretty obvious since DE times that they don't. Thanks for the confidence, tough. Much appreciated.

19) What has Viv got on you?

She is privy to all my English spelling mistakes. Oh, and she is obviously aware that I am a convicted mass murderer!

20) Why are you so happy to be part of such a hate campaign?

You got something right. I am happy. Happy because my life is quite good and happy because none of my friends and family members are child neglecters or child neglecters' defenders. What you call hate campaign, a call a quest for the truth. But you don't like that word 'truth' do you? It scares all the likes of you. That is why you hate each and every person who dares to try and find it. But believe me, it will be found. Sooner or later. One way or another. The world will know. And when that happens, you will be nowhere to be seen in the cyber world because you will be hidden under that rock which will be sheltering you and your few pals.

mariana said...

Hello guys

Great posts LGC Claudia

Why do these people think it's a hate campaign? Can't they get it through their thick heads, that people are after justice for Madeleine?

Zodiac said...

Hello all,

1)Why do you post there?

I post here because Viv gives everyone the right to have their say, as long as they are not nasty and blog destructive. I post here because I believe in Freedom of Speech and I respect the posters on this blog and most importantly I respect their views even when they differ from my own. I post here because I would not associate my name to your blog.

2) What good do you expect will come out from posting there?

Justice for a neglected 3 year old missing little girl, who has no voice. Her voice was not heard by the people who should have been listening on the 2/05/07 (and any other times we are not aware of) and ignored on the 3/05/07, the same people who are still not listening. You and your ilk will never take away my right to Freedom of Speech.



3) Why do you condone the fact that lies posted there on a daily basis?

I believe the Truth of the Lie will be known World wide regarding this case. I will never condone Child Neglect, especially by people who commit it, and especially as the same people tell me that it is not a crime and that I have no right to an opinion.

4) Why do you condone that such a tragedy is being used as an excuse for people to entertain themselves?

I do not find the disappearance of this child entertaining. The people making excuses are the ones who left all 3 children aged 3 and under alone in a holiday flat to entertain themselves. The missing child if still alive, possibly does not find the situation he or she may/or may not find herself in entertaining either.
What is the tragedy? What is the truth? That is what I want to know.

5) How do you feel about the fact that some use this tragedy to post 'satyre' and try to be funny in the most maliciously possible way?

I believe that Satire is a powerful vehicle for making a point.
If you do not understand Satire then read below:

satirize, UK USUALLY satirise Show phonetics
verb [T]
to use satire to show that people or ideas have bad qualities or are wrong.

Satire is appropriate in this case.

6) Do you think it is right for someone to pretend to be a doctor so that he can post his sick theories regarding a little girl and pretend to have some authority and inside knowledge over the case?

I do not think it is right that two Doctors claim that it is responsible parenting and not a crime, to leave their 3 children all aged 3 and under alone in a flat night after night whilst they entertain themselves elsewhere. I find their abduction theory unbelievable. I find your attacks on other posters and their credentials disgusting and you have no foundations.

7) Do you really believe a real doctor would ever demean himself to post there?

Viv's site is a respectable place to blog. There are many professional, intelligent people who blog here and read here.
Would two Doctors demean themselves and their profession by neglecting their 3 children age 3 and under to indulge themselves with friends elswhere?

8) How do you feel about people who write posts full of crude sexual innuendo on a site which is supposed to be about the disappearance of a little girl?

Yes, Viv's site is about the disappearance of a little girl. It is also about the twin siblings who are also victims of their parents neglect. Viv's site is team members only. None of the team members write what you suggest.

9) Why didn't you speak out when Viv and Ecolab decided to make those disgusting sexual abuse claims regarding Madeleine?

Just like you, I do not know if they are claims. I believe in Freedom of Speech and having an opinion. I respect that others have the same rights as me.

10) Why didn't you object when she posted those doctored pictures of the McCanns, who are after all, grieving parents?

What doctored pictures?
What are they grieving?


11) Given the recent 'outing' of Assassin in this blog allegedly carried out by Viv, do you condone this behaviour?

What outing?
Viv did you organise an outing and not invite me?

12) Do you condone poster's details been published online, effectively putting their children at risk?

What details, what posters?

13) How do you feel about posting among people who openly support perverts in their own blogs?

What perverts?
I do not and never will support child neglectors.



14) What do you think about the treatment and insults given out by Viv to anyone she disagrees with?

Viv, thanks for making this a sensible people only blog.

15) Are you happy posting with people who openly support corrupt policemen and police beatings?

I support the PJ and British Police. I support Law and Order. I do not support Criminals and those who support Criminals. I do not support Child Neglect in any shape or form.

16) If you feel uncomfortable about any of the stuff mentioned here, why do you still carry on posting there?

Uncomfortable. Who feels uncomfortable?

17) What really happened to 2345?

Have no idea. 2345 if you still read this blog. Hope you are well.



18) Don't you have any decency?

Yes I certainly do have decency. It is my decency that will never stop me supporting the truth of what happened to an innocent child neglected May 07 by the people who paid to have this child but never paid to have her looked after safely on her family holiday
May 07. No phone, no mobile and no buggy.



19) What has Viv got on you?

We share the same moral values when it comes to people who neglect their children.


20) Why are you so happy to be part of such a hate campaign?

I am part of a truth campaign.
I am indifferent to parents who neglect their children.

Stella said...

Mariana, Hi

Simple really, these people hate the thought of being wrong. They hate the idea of being implicated along with child neglecters. They hate anyone who will not roll over like a dog and believe their rubbish.

They are the creators of their own hate campaign...

LittleGreyCell said...

Thanks, Mariana.

They don't get it because for them it's not about justice for Madeleine, it's about stemming the tide of desperately negative public opinion about Kate and Gerry.

This is their job, and they're never going to acknowledge any other viewpoint that clashes with their brief.

Their raison d'etre is to shut us up - which will, they hope, go some way to keeping the McCanns safely away from being made accountable for what happened to Madeleine on that holiday.

Not that either of those things will happen.

Nice bunch, aren't they?

Cláudia said...

Mariana, thanks.
These people (for lack of a better word) are as thick as a brick wall. That wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that terrible habit of defending criminals.

mariana said...

Hi Stella

I suppose these people can't think for themselves. Well let them be.
When people leave three infants alone night after night, they ought to be in prison, as they are useless parents.

Stella said...

Mariana

You are very right. Every country in the entire world should put all parents in prison caught abandoning young children. Time to make an example of the McCanns..

mariana said...

Claudia
Criminals belong in prison. Period.
I don't give the time of day to their defenders.

Cláudia said...

Mariana, exactly. That's what normal, decent people think.
The others, defend them.

mariana said...

Claudia
The only people who defend the McCann's are neglecting their children themselves.
You know in Australia we have the highest rate of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and for the first year of my kid's life I used to have a torch right next to me to look if my child was breathing ok.
It is impossible for me to understand how they could leave three infants alone.

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

I've been there, too...when my son was born I also used to wake up several times a night to check he was still breathing. The first time he slept for six hours without waking up I was terrified he'd died.

I always thought this was normal parental behaviour - and it was an automatic action, it wasn't something I THOUGHT I'd better do! So for the McCanns to spout stuff like they 'discussed' checking on their children more often because Madeleine had been crying and was upset with them is just totally unbelievable parental behaviour.

I still don't know why they didn't all rent a villa instead of apartments, which is what you would expect a large party of people to do in these circmstances...

mariana said...

LGC
I don't really know what they were thinking. What really worries me is the fact that NCMEC (GM talks about them on his blogs) has associated itself with the Freemasons and their campaign to microchip children to make up for their neglect.

LittleGreyCell said...

Mariana,

What a great idea!

Have your child microchipped and then you can spend all night long drinking in the tapas bar and retrieve them from the abductor once you've contacted the police with the requisite equipment to locate them!

This is nearly on a par with tracking down paedophiles through their tax returns...

Why hasn't anyone thought of this before??

:)))

Cláudia said...

LGC and Mriana, that is exactly how normal, responsible, loving parents behave.
I have to be honest and say that before all this it never crossed my mind that parents could leave their three toddles home alone to have dinner. It's just something unthinkable.

mariana said...

LGC
I got a big problem with this and as far as I can tell GM is going that way.
I will raise hell if he continues.

Claudia
It used to be that the uneducated and the drunks neglect their children.
There come two doctors who should know better and it turns out they are worse than any low educated person.
The kids could have choked to death.

LittleGreyCell said...

Claudia,

Like many parents, I was (and am still) besotted with my son.

But even if that intense bond isn't there, wouldn't most people believe it is their absolute duty to ensure that no harm comes to their offspring?

Certainly as doctors, they would know of many potential dangers in leaving very small children alone. And what about the emotional shock of the kids waking up in the night, finding no adults in the place?

The apartment thing has always puzzled me. 9 adults, several children, the most logical and practical solution is surely to rent a villa: kids asleep all in the same house, parents downstairs in a space big enough to accommodate them all comfortably, big enough kitchen in which to cook, outside space close enough to the house for a baby monitor to work.

Why the apartments??

ratonthebeam said...

Hi all, I gather that Supertroll No-mates has a quiz on it's blog. Why would it put a quiz about Viv's blog on it's own blog??? That doesn't make any sense! Like I've always said, if Viv didn't have a blog, then ST No-Mates wouldn't have anything to put on it's blog. So I can't even see the point of going there at all. I will, however put my tuppence worth in and respond to question 11-

11) Given the recent 'outing' of Assassin in this blog allegedly carried out by Viv, do you condone this behaviour?

ST, do YOU? Because you did it to me. Remember? Or at least, you thought you did. Hahahaha!

mariana said...

ROB
The only wa I can answer this is by saying that I am here because Viv is looking out for Madeleine's rights and if you ask me the British government ought to have appointed a lawyer to guard Madeleine's rights ever since they became criminal suspects.
Their interests are not the same as Madeleine's and clearly there is conflict of interest there.
Maybe we should start a petition about it.

Viv
Can you please look at this from the legal point of view?

viv said...

Hi Everyone

I have just read your posts and I am really pleased that you have gone to so much trouble to support me and this blog. In fact I am thrilled.

All I can say is Doc is wrong, I do not just love him, I love you all, because you support Justice for Madeleine and the Twins and our right to freedom of speech to discuss these issues and oppose a campaign designed to prevent us from doing so.

I cannot say much more than that at the moment other than THANK YOU XXXXXXXXXXXX

Viv x

mariana said...

Can someone give me a link to this stupid site?

LittleGreyCell said...

Viv,

Personally, I see it as the least I can do - after all, you've gone to much trouble to provide us with this space where we can express our views, and you devote much time and energy to it on a daily basis.

Thank YOU, Viv.

We may all differ on the details from time to time, but I think I can say that we all post here because we feel that Madeleine's fate should not be kicked under the carpet by those with ulterior motives for so doing, and that our right to freedom of speech should be maintained, even under threat of abuse and bullying from those with immoral agendas to meet.

X LGC

dolores said...

Hi all,

Here we have 2 prime supects who are the subject of a criminal investigation,into the disapearence of their daughter,who refuse to answer questions who have lied and lied from day one,who gave no thought to leaving their 3 babies alone night after night for hours in an unlocked apartment (or so we are told)

The UK police share thew same suspicions as the PJ that the Mc's are responsible for whatever happened to her.
Scotland Yard serious crime office are involved. And Interpol.

Therefore if ST site and THoF think they are are 'innocent' I suggest they question and harrass and bully the above about it,and see where it gets them.

Cláudia said...

Viv, THANK YOU for giving us the chance to express our opinions!

Cláudia said...

LGC and Mariana, those are irresponsible, selfisf beings and we should not expect normal, decent reactions and attitudes from them.

Joe said...

Ladies,

You must not allow the likes of ST to get to you. Whatever is said on that site is not based on reason or logic, but pure bile. It has to be somebody unstable or someone with a vested interest such as a family member to be so narrow minded and closed to reason or debate.

nancy said...

VIV -

WHEN FIRST THE DX AND THEN ALSABELLA'S BLOG DISAPPEARED WE WERE FLOUNDERING A BIT. I WAS GOING TO SIGN ON WITH THE 3A'S BUT FOUND IT A BIT TO FORMAL REALLY ALTHOUGH I'M SURE THOSE ON THERE ARE REALLY HAPPY WITH IT. I MUST ADMIT I DO LOOK ON THERE FROM TIME TO TIME AND ON THE MCCANN FILES, BUT I CONSIDER YOUR SITE THE COMFORTABLE PLACE TO TRY AND GET JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!HANKS ONCE AGAIN!

Sorry about the caps - not shouting - just applauding!!

Nancy x

mariana said...

Claudia
Every criminal has the right to a defence.
They have no right though to rubbish a country and they have no right to impose on the rest of us their weird masonic views on microchips.
Europe and Australia are not America.

LittleGreyCell said...

Claudia and Joe,

Quite so!

:)

nancy said...

Hi LGC -

As you say, why the apartments?

You are absolutely right - most families I know with children who go on holiday together do exactly what you said and rent a large villa between them with a pool. That would have been so much more convenient for them all and they could keep an eye on each others children too. Handy to cook barbecues together in the evenings with the kids playing together, and then have some 'into each other' times with drinks together when they went to bed.

They may all have PHD's or whatever, but they haven't got a really active brain between them!

nancy said...

Mariana - spot on!

Just who is looking out for Madeleine's rights apart from the PJ's? It's all about making sure the McCanns are backed by millionaires and fancy lawyers; and Madeleine's fate is well down the list!

nancy said...

Rat -

I've got one for the trolls:

'Given the fact that a child went missing, and still is, because the Tapas 9 were more interested in having a good time than looking after their own children - do you condone this behaviour'?

dylan said...

Hi Mariana,

Here's the link to the stupid site:

http://supertroll.blogspot.com/

Just be warned - it aint pleasant, it aint big, it aint clever, & we aint laughing ;)

Can't stop. May be back later.

Hi to all, have enjoyed the satire this afternoon. Or was that "satyre"? Obviously French for "her rubber, wheel protector"! lol

xx

Stella said...

Mariana

The Masons are all a load of jumped up overgrown boy scouts who want to be in a gang. That sums it up really. They have everyone believe they collect money for good causes. The ones I knew pocketed some of this for themselves and they were all having affairs. Perhaps this is the key to the fund and collecting of money, it is an old Mason stunt.

Any man who cannot stand on his own two feet, is not a man....

Joe said...

Nancy,

I have posted many times in the past as to why the British authorities appear to have never questioned the McCanns after returning from holiday without their daughter. To me that is as odd as the McCanns behaviour and mighty suspicious.

Cláudia said...

Mariana, a bunch of brainless child neglect and child killer defender haven't got the power to rubish any country. And certainly not mine! :-)

mariana said...

Stella
Bravo. Very well said.

Stella said...

Mariana

A very good friend of mine is a Mason, he is a lovely man who I would trust with my life and why he ever got into all that I do not know. But you see the Masons are very clever, they lure vunerable men into a false sense of security and then it is to late. Unless they get black balled of course, if they have really been a very naughty boy....

I wonder if Gerry has now been black balled?

mariana said...

Claudia
You have a miracle country. I have a Greek friend who has told me lots about your country. It is on the top of my list to visit Portugal.

mariana said...

Stella
Look at this site and under Education you will see the NCMEC.
http://www.masonichip.org/

ratonthebeam said...

If anyone is going to visit ANY of the nasty sites, PLEASE do it through a Proxy! There have been some very nasty things happening on other sites where unsavoury people have got a hold of IP addresses and personal details, and I would not like this to happen to anyone on here. :-(

Stella said...

Mariana

Have they never thought that these devices could be painfully removed? They all need putting before a firing squad and shot.

I see that the Grand Masters are all behind this little brain wave.

I wonder if Gerry's Father was also one and perhaps wanted the best start in life for his son by giving him the same initials GM = Grand Master.

Stella said...

ROTB

Thanks for the advice. But, what is a proxy?

mariana said...

Stella
As far as I know the device is very small but I am told that it can move to other parts of the body and cause real damage.

ROB
Thanks for this info. I will not be visiting.

mariana said...

Stella
You can get this free proxy.
www.hotspotshield.com

Stella said...

Mariana

I have got a real big problem with parents doing things to their childrens bodies. Inserting a chip is the extreme, but even down to ear piercing, I think is wrong. When a child is old enough to decide what changes they want to do to their own body, that is up to them, it is not up to the parents to mutilate them as they see fit. The next thing will we see is children with a tatoo. Disgusting. Someone needs to protect childrens rights here...

nancy said...

Hi Joe -

Yes, I feel Madeleine's fate has definitely taken a back seat and apart from the Social Services calling on the McCanns for what seemed like a token visit, nobody else has taken her plight under their wing! Apart from us bloggers that is!

Have you looked at the 3A's link I gave in my post of 9.38? The writer makes the point that Gerry McCann and Kate McCann could have been groomed for their role in Brussels, i.e. getting the EEC to back their attempt for the border control alarm system to stop paedophiles taking children across borders.

The poster pointed out that at the same time Gordon Brown, who personally spoke to the McCanns after Madeleine disappeared, was at the same time hell bent on getting ID cards through and that the whole Madeleine disappearance could have been a hoax with the government using the McCanns to start the world wide alarm! A bit like a Stephen King novel, but food for thought all the same!!
Remember when Gerry said that he wasn't going on holiday to enjoy himself when he was on that coach?

It points out just how many people and links in high places these McCanns have playing in their field and although I don't necessarily think there is government subterfuge going on myself, I do feel that if this was a normal young working class couple who had 'lost' their daughter, the government and the millionaires, celebrity etc, wouldn't have moved heaven and earth to protect them. They may have got to see an embassy official but the floodgates of assistance wouldn't have been there for them I'm sure!! One rule for the rich as usual!

I'm beginning to sound like 2345 here!

Stella said...

Nancy

The common denominator is Gordons brother, the one in nuclear energy.

Gordon wants more nuclear energy plants built in the UK.

Gerry is/was on the board of advisors

It must be a family thing.

Stella said...

Mariana

Thanks for the link. I never go to those sites, I'm not the least bit iterested in anything they have to say, but it is useful to know, never the less.

Stella said...

I am departing now, it has been lovely chatting with you all, have a lovely evening and look forward to another day...

9 Days to go and counting ....

mariana said...

Stella
I don't even know the sites.
After Viv posted my mail here, they left a comment on my site "notifying" me how bad Viv is, they did so anonymously.
Ever since that comment, I do not allow anonymous comments and they have NOT dared to comment again.

They support the McCann's anonymously, because deep down they are ashamed.

nancy said...

Hi Stella -

Yes, I read that somewhere too about the nuclear energy connection, although when you come to think of it there will always be a 'grass' to make himself rich if there was any truth in any of these fantastic theories.

By the way, you are not missing much by not visiting the brain surgeon (supertroll) because I just made my first visit and felt as though I'd paid a visit to a mental ward - won't go there again!!

Poor Viv - this Supertroll loathes her and all of us too; (I don't know if it's male or female) purports to be a brain surgeon living in Tonga, and a rugby player - where does he or she get the time to run the blog anyway? you'd have to be a brainless surgeon to write the way she or he does - terrifying really!!

Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to the gender of Supertroll - but no rude answers please!!


Nx

nancy said...

I'm not posting on ST's site but here is a post for her, in case she looks in here, which she seems to do on a regular basis trying to wind Viv up, but not succeeding thankfully!

'If I had the time and energy, I still wouldn't give you or your questions the benefit of serious thought. You must know the answers anyway, you read our blog enough!'

Just to say that Viv and Claudia run a clean, friendly, filth free blog here, something which you seem unable to do.

As far as the likelihood of Madeleine being sexually abused by someone, which was discussed by Viv and Ecolab, it is you pros who believe that Madeleine was taken by a predator, so if that isn't about child abuse I don't know what is. Viv is merely pointing out that there is always a possibility of anything in families, even those who appear respectable and wealthy being involved in child abuse, as you well know - look at the Austrian who kept his daughter in a cellar and sexually abused her. Their neighbours couldn't believe it because they seemed such respectable people! It does happen and it should be faced up to- just what could Madeleine be going through now if she was taken by a paedophile which you and the tapas 9 so avidly believe! But we mustn't talk about it according to you! Everything should be discussed, and discounted too.

Madeleine and her siblings, and the tapas children, were all grossly neglected by being left in their bedrooms while the parents were having their fun together, and Madeleine's cries for her daddy were heard by an upstairs neighour - if that is not abuse then I don't know what is!

By the way, not once on the DX did any of the pros actually deign to tell us just how Madeleine came to be abducted because it seemed far too complicated for you to get your heads around!

How about one of you pros giving your version of events of the night of the 3rd May last year! We would be enthralled to hear all of your theories of the abduction, i.e. through the window, through the open door, the time and window of opportunity, etc. and most importantly, where was the abductors DNA - none was found!'

Before you go slagging off Viv and this site, take a look at the hatred and loathing and vitriol issuing from your own mouth just because people dare to have a different view on the diabolical disappearance of a little innocent girl who should have been with her parents that night!

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

dolores said...

Nicky
A troll is not human,it's a thing, or so I believe, for that you would need a heart, and would want justice for an innocent 3 year old who can no longer speak for herself.

X D

Di said...

Nancy

Just looking in, excellent post :o))) I don't visit the site in question but have read many peoples opinions of it on here, so I stay well clear.

ROTB, Thanks for the advice....

dolores said...

Nancy
Sorry, don't know why I put Nicky.

The few pennies these trolls earn for spouting abuse and racial hatred are more important than justice.They must have serious finacial problems do this without a conscience,
Bet they would not have the b****s to say it to our faces.

X D

nancy said...

Dolores -

No worry - that's very mild compared to what I'll probably be called when ST reads my blog -!!!


Di -

That was my first and last post there too! You are better off not venturing into the Lion's den!!


Nx

atardi said...

Hi everyone,

Have tried to read back. But it's too much. Will read all posts later.

About why people are posting here? My answer: I just want to. I'm not forced to do it.

Thank you Viv.

I just want to understand why these people prefer to leave their kids alone to have tapas and drinks with
their friends.

Joe said...

Nancy,

Thanks for your reply. I did note the thread on the 3A site. If that was the agenda of I think there are easier ways of getting something done than a hoax of this magnitude where a country in this case Portugal is maligned and ridiculed so the notion is a bit too conspiracy theory even for me.

As far as ST site and the other one run by Sass they cannot be so stupid as to believe that we all accept and believe what a fellow poster posts? I am curious as to why they just accept without question the innocence of the Tapas 9 no matter what is thrown up?

dolores said...

Quote fro K Mc "cuddle cat WAS Madeleine's favorite toy."



G Mc "Anyway, we have our own kids to worry about now"

Cláudia said...

Claudia
You have a miracle country. I have a Greek friend who has told me lots about your country. It is on the top of my list to visit Portugal.

----------------------------------

Thank you, Mariana.
I don't have a miracle country but I do have a country full of people who love children and who will not shut up when confronted with ignorant smears and lies. We are only around 10 million people living here, but we are proud of our country and we are strong and resilient. I hope one day you will visit us. I'll tell you when the weather is finally great. :-)

Di said...

Nancy

I have Gina to thank for the advice of, not to go there!!

Gina.. If you are reading,I hope you are enjoying your holiday with your son.

Has anyone been reading the thread on 3As regarding the leaflet drop. If so what are your thoughts?

Ecolab said...

Dolores:

"cuddle cat WAS Madeleine's favorite toy."
Said by Kate - which means Madeleine is dead, right and she knew!



"Anyway, we have our own kids to worry about now" said by Gerry. Hed slipped several times, that Madeleine was NOT of he`s blood.

Auntie Rosie:
Rosie The SuperTroll

NO gender

dolores said...

Ecolab
Regarding the troll,who I do not think is super but inferior, I agree with you,on identity.

Cláudia said...

Just a little something to piss the child neglecters' fans out there! :-) True turism numbers from 2008. :-)


http://www.turismodeportugal.pt/SiteCollectionDocuments/Destaque%20Hotelaria%20Marco%2008.pdf

Di said...

Ecolab/Dolores

Regarding cuddlecat, I have always wondered why Kate stated that Amelie had adopted Madeleines cuddlecat as her favourite comfort toy. Their Godfather bought each of the girls a cuddlecat toy, a picture shown on 3As to prove the fact. Just suppose Kate does still have the unwashed one of Madeleines and Amelies was given to the PJs.

Oh!! here I go as my husband would say.

Cláudia said...

Have inserted a space so it shows all of the address.

Cláudia said...

Turism in Portugal

Cláudia said...

Damn!

dolores said...

Di
It would not surprise me one bit,I have that photo where K is holding one and Amelie.
There is another incident where the twins were being dressed for bed and it was the uncle who said Amelie says "Madie's jammie's "

Cláudia said...

This address has been left on my blog. Someone who wishes to express themselves on the topic please visit:
http://justice4portugal.blogspot.com/

Di said...

Dolores

Ahh the pink jammies, I always find it odd that JT can say they were pink when it was dark!!!

hope4truth said...

Evening All

Hope you are all well :o) xxx

ratonthebeam said...

I always found it odd that Severus Snape was carrying a child wearing pyjamas with little frills round the hems of the legs. The "identical" pair of Eeyore pyjamas, that the Mcs held up for the press conference, had plain legs.

Di said...

Hi Hope

Just catching up, but not here for much longer.

I have read you are doing ok tooth wise so hope that is still correct.

dolores said...

Di,
In the photograph where G & K are holding up these pyjama's, they look like knee high pyjamas but in JT's description as drawn, they are calf length,almost at the ankle.

hope4truth said...

Hi Di

Yes thanks all ok for a week + now but still have to go back for more treatment so hope that wont set it off again..

Are you ok???

It has gone cold again now I thought summer was here LOL xxx

Di said...

Hi Rat

Well spotted!!!! :o)))))

nancy said...

Good night one and all!!

Off to watch the football!


See you all tomorrow - have a good night!


Nancy x

leigh3 said...

Hi All,
Viv: you are kind and generous to provide this space for honest inquiry.

The 13thCentury poet Rumi wrote:'...between wrongdoing and right, there is another field. I will meet you there.'

We meet there. We meet here.
xo
leigh

leigh3 said...

Dear Di,
Before you go: you're right. 'Tsk' means 'come on'. Come on, get real.
xo Di. Enjoy the footy. Ta for the encouragement.
leigh

Di said...

Dolores

I have always thought, if i paid no attention or thought to seeing a person with a child at night at a child friendly holiday complex, JT did say something along these lines, why??? would she all of a sudden remember the jammies and the colour etc., but, if I remember correctly not a face at this time.

leigh3 said...

ROTB.
I guess the devil is in the detail.

LGC.
Why the apartment and not the villa?Perhaps they are all creatures of a certain 30 something sort: living beyond their means.

Apologies to all for being cynical now, but it is a crass, and effective tactic to follow the money, and find the facts.

I think LGCs question/worry is relevant to invetigators.

Just a thought.

Di said...

Hi Hope

Off now but so glad everything is going well for you.

I have not had much time to post lately, but do hope to catch up again.

You are right the weather is cold again and not a good forecast for the Bank holiday, what's new!! :o))

Very quiet on the home front don't you think!!!

atardi said...

Hey Hope,

Nice to see you.

How are you doing?

What's that about your e-mail address?

hope4truth said...

Di

It is freezing now tooth is better I may be around more but if the sun comes out not so much...

have a nice evening x

hope4truth said...

Hi Atardi

I think someone knows who I am...

How are you???

xxx

leigh3 said...

Dolores of the pink rose and Ecolab,

Suptertroll = Aunt Rosie.

So sad, so true. I agree with you both.

I think the name 'supertroll' was chosen as a defiant riposte to comment on the DE.

It is a sad reflection on this person's character flaws, I think.

It is an education for us all regarding the world weird web.

hope4truth said...

Leigh

Your world weired web makes me smile and it is so true x

bath theory said...

Ecolab/Dolores/Di

These words of yours have made me think very hard.


'...Regarding cuddlecat, I have always wondered why Kate stated that Amelie had adopted Madeleines cuddlecat as her favourite comfort toy. Their Godfather bought each of the girls a cuddlecat toy, a picture shown on 3As to prove the fact. Just suppose Kate does still have the unwashed one of Madeleines and Amelies was given to the PJs. '

Has anyone a link to this picture?
If yes we should post one to the police in PDL asap.

Once again a simple thing but it would be a classic McCann scam (IMO)

leigh3 said...

Goodnight to friends of children.
See you next time.
xo
leigh

dolores said...

Leigh,
Do you remember Aunty Phil saying that they could'nt manage without K's 2 day a week salary, to make ends meet.They are obviously not complaining about her not working now.Therefore her salary is being subsidised and more from you know where,for 'keeping up appearances'
They were not rich by any manner of means,I would say they were more cash strapped.
Considering the mentioned selling their house before the rich backers came in.

leigh3 said...

Hopefortruth,

I think your name will become reality for Madeleine. Perseverance. That's what we need, I think.
Nite nite.

xo
leigh

atardi said...

Hi Hope,

I'm fine thank you.
Have send you a mail.

Hope, what do you mean by I think somebody knows who I am.?

You are just Hope blogging for JFM.

I'll try to find a mail about paid posters. Their only goal is to upset other people who wants to know the truth about Madeleine.

leigh3 said...

Dear Dolores,

You're right again. I must go. I hope your research and timely reminders continue here and elsewhere.
Love from leigh, and others.
xo

hope4truth said...

Atardi

I will go check my mail xxx

Ecolab said...

I am deeply sorry to say this "supertroll" but quite honestly I feel you may be somewhat mentally deranged and I must ask you to please do not make or attempt to make any further contact with me and likewise shall treat you with the same amount of courtesy. Goodnight.


"Sicko of the week award goes to Vile and Ecolab in a joint award for discussing sexual child abuse regarding Madeleine McCann."

"Ecolab began the conversation, and this was a great excuse for Viv to post the following lies:"

"9) Why didn't you speak out when Viv and Ecolab decided to make those disgusting sexual abuse claims regarding Madeleine?"

"Why is Ecolab so depraved?"

"Creep of the week...
Creep of the week award goes to all the posters who still carry on posting at Viv's after she made the depraved comments about Madeleine."

"Doc, Viv, Atardi, Ecolab, LGC, Leigh, Claudia, Anna, Mariana, Rat.....all very nasty characters, with severe personality disorders....all looking for a cheap and nasty thrill from someone elses tragedy."

"Another nobrainer from Ecolilab,
I thought these barm pots knew everything about the case!.....
"Try the 1st February for the twins birth moron"....
Not too near summer is it?...."

"Viv is totally and utterly out of order and her and ecolilab are just plain filthy minded perverts and so is mariana and they should all check into a mental health unit - fast!"


I think...We got a little close, huh???

dolores said...

Ecolab
Seriously this troll needs immediate medication.It is very disturbed.IMO.

Ecolab said...

Sorry All. I just could not resist it. I`m tired.
2.day of my new job and I have had 3 hours of supervision this afternoon. My poor head is spinning.
Night all. I`m off to bed. Tomorrow is a new day at The Cockies Nest.

Viv, darling. You are doing a great job ;-))

*Justice for Maddie*

atardi said...

Hope,

About paid posters,

Sorry Dolores and others. I couldn't delete everything.

CKH, I hope you don't mind posting this again.

But I think this shows how you and others want Madeleine's voice to be heard.

--------------------------
Now we've joked about the pros being on the Team McCann payroll to try and disrupt discussions regarding the case on public internet forums, but it turns out that it REALLY IS TRUE!

I direct your attention to the following thread on MF: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34193 which contains an actual email from "Team McCann" to various keyboard monkeys that are paid to cast aspersions upon the PJ's competence and promote the McConn agenda.

To all of the paid trolls on the DE forum that have accused the antis of being "paranoid" or "delusional," it looks like the jig is up.

I just hope that the money is worth having sold your soul to the devil and have consigned an innocent child to remain in a nameless, shallow grave because she was forsaken by those who should have cared the most.

ving it to my hard drive as I anticipate that it WILL be pulled as soon as one of the chimps report it back to HQ! Here's the link again: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34196

PLMK if you still have problems accessing it and I will cut and paste the relevant info here.

Cheers,
CKH
12/31/2007
I know we've joked about the pros being on the Team McCann payroll to try and disrupt discussions regarding the case on public internet forums, but it turns out that it REALLY IS TRUE!

I direct your attention to the following thread on MF: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34193 which contains an actual email from "Team McCann" to various keyboard monkeys that are paid to cast aspersions upon the PJ's competence and promote the McConn agenda.

To all of the paid trolls on the DE forum that have accused the antis of being "paranoid" or "delusional," it looks like the jig is up.

I just hope that the money is worth having sold your soul to the devil and have consigned an innocent child to remain in a nameless, shallow grave because she was forsaken by those who should have cared the most.

May you all rot in prison for the rest of your worthless, money-grubbing lives. It is my most fervent wish that this crime had been committed in Texas so that those responsible for the death of this innocent would forfeit their own lives in exchange, although death by lethal injection would be too merciful for the likes of the McCanns.
12/31/2007
dolores zei...
HAPPY NEW YEAR Viv
And may it be a healthy peaceful and joyous one for you.
xxx
Tall other posters A very happy 2008
xxx
12/31/2007
ratonthebeam zei...
ckh!
I tried to get to the Mirror thread you posted and it's just coming up blank! Has Ludicrous had it pulled? It wouldn't surprise me!
Happy New Year!
12/31/2007
josiepublic zei...
Happy new year, To everybody- too many to mention but amongst them my favourites, Viv, Docamac and Claudia. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

Doesn't Payne look more like the descriptions given by "witnesses" than Murat- odd that- he looks more like how I imagined Murat than Murat.
( Heavens help me; must be too much new year cheer.) Hope to get back to the DE in the new year. Love and kisses. Plainwaters. XXXXXXXXXXX

Justice for Madeleine.
12/31/2007
CKH zei...
Hi Rat -

Sorry for the delayed response, I took a couple hours off to have a New Year's Eve meal with a relative I rarely get to see anymore.

Anyhoo...

The thread is still there --although I also took the precaution of saving it to my hard drive as I anticipate that it WILL be pulled as soon as one of the chimps report it back to HQ! Here's the link again: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34196

PLMK if you still have problems accessing it and I will cut and paste the relevant info here.

Cheers,
CKH
12/31/2007
CKH_again zei...
Crap! Disregard the previous link in my post above, it was too the wrong topic *blushes in shame*

It looks like Clarence HAS gotten to that thread because it's blank when I pulled it up too. Okay, Clarrie, if that's how you want to play it....

Here's the text of the original post regarding covert Team McCann activities as cut+pasted from the saved copy on my hard drive:

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TheDieJusticeDied posted the following on Mirror forum on 12/31/07 at 1:35pmGMT

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Latest email, from Team Mccann who head up the helping to find madeleine campagin. A bit long winded but worth reading every part, it tells you about the fund, covert missions & much more. Just a titbit below.

2) Do not approach media or indeed if approached by the media, notify me immediately and do not engage in any conversations in anyway shape or form – we have been given affiliate status by the main campaign and we do not want to compromise the McCann family.


Hello and Welcome



Apologies for the distinct lack of contact over the last few weeks! Before I launch into what our focus is now, let me first of welcome you to Team France and give you a bit of an overview of me, HTFM and where we are now.

I joined HTFM in June having been conducting my own email campaign. I was disturbed by the fact that a complete stranger could boldly march into the bedroom of a sleeping child and take her from the safety and warmth of her bed. I am still angry. I want to see Madeleine reunited with her family and I want to send out a message to the world that we WILL NOT tolerate children being abducted/exploited and when they are, we will find them and the perpetrators of the crime.



Overview

Team France amalgamated with Team Turkey just before I headed off on holiday in October. Yana was leading France and I was leading Turkey in addition to being on main Admin Team with Jo (Founder and leader of HTFM) , Liv (IT) Isabelle (main campaign contact). Yana has since taken a more covert role whilst she is engaged in her studies!



A strategy was created in conjunction with the main ‘Find Madeleine’ campaign and we were happily bashing on with it when the focus changed to place Transport at the top of our priority list. Kathy, Yana, Janet and me, have already been working on specific areas, primarily airlines and airports in the UK. Our tactics changed to focus on a direct approach via telephone. Verbal contact has resulted in tremendous success!



The group as it sits currently is very diverse. Unfortunately, we were lacking in language skills to begin with, but recent developments have seen our numbers increase exponentially in Team France, and we are now sitting at 36 members, with a few French speakers. Our numbers are set to increase again soon.



Sub Teams

Because of the growth of Team France and its subsequent unwieldiness, it was decided to break into sub groups. The sub team leaders are:



Janet Leeson

Kathy Abbs

Karen Turner (me)

Vicki Jackson (back with us in January)



We are all focusing on Transport but will once this area has been exhausted, will move into other areas of research.



We are always looking for new sub team leaders. If you feel you have the time to lead a team, please let me know.



Plan

I have reviewed the structure of the Team though I am not familiar with the skills and attributes of all you, our newest members. I would be very grateful if you would be kind enough to respond to a mini questionnaire which will follow this email. Once you have responded, I will be better placed to play to your strengths though, to be honest, until we get to know you, your main focus will be on research and email. However, we are on the lookout for anyone who is willing to converse via the phone and it would be an extra bonus if you can speak French and indeed, are willing to use your phone to make the calls.



We are not funded by the main campaign and whilst there is absolutely no requirement for you to use your own resources, if you are willing to do so, please let us know. We would of course be very grateful.



Task Allocation

Tasks will be allocated under the following headings:



Research

Email

Letters

Translations



Further direction will be given as to what you need to do with the information.



How do we work?

A thread has been created on the Forum, specifically for Team France. A collated update on Team France activity will be published on the thread detailing activities undertaken and completed each week. A list of team members is also available on our main HTFM web page http://www.helpingtofindmadeleine.com/



You will be asked to communicate your activities to a person responsible for our area of work. A ‘Weekly Update’ will be published on the Forum. It is really important the updates are completed on time as they are forwarded to the main campaign with requests for approvals for funds etc when required. Contrary to gossip on some forums, we are not funded by anyone, we are not paid for our work, and we are not engaged directly in any fund raising activities.



Forum and Domain Email

I hope you have all by now managed to familiarise yourselves with the Forum and if interested, requested your domain mail from Liv. Liv can be contacted on: Info@helpingtofindmadeleine.com. Liv can also give direction on how to set up a banner and give you details on how to run email through Outlook and Outlook Express. Using the domain email adds credibility to our activities when emailing.
Your Commitment-

HTFM and the Find Madeleine Campaign, are very grateful for your commitment and support. You have joined a formidable group with an intense level of motivation, driven by the belief Madeleine has been abducted and is still out there. We appreciate your time is precious and on that basis recognise that other commitments will take precedence to HTFM activity. We ask you:

1) Are honest with us about the level of support you can give – it’s OK if you can’t commit for a while just let us know!

2) Do not approach media or indeed if approached by the media, notify me immediately and do not engage in any conversations in anyway shape or form – we have been given affiliate status by the main campaign and we do not want to compromise the McCann family.

3) Update your team leader on your activities on a weekly basis (guidance to be provided)

4) Let us know if you are going on holiday

Finally – this isn’t a game; it is about the life of a child. If you have joined us and your intentions are not honourable, please do the decent thing and leave us to get on with the job in hand. HTFM are aware of some whose intentions have been malicious and who have subsequently posted vitriolic comments on various Forums. Whilst I am sure you are all committed to the plight of Madeleine, please also be aware there are those out there looking to make a fast buck and who get a kick out of being downright nasty. Be careful!

Finally - ideas no matter how whacky you might feel they are, are always welcome. Please post under ‘Ideas’ on the Forum.

Once again, thank you to all of you and welcome to HTFM – Team France. If any of you do have any questions, please drop me a line though I can confidently state, we are a very friendly team and anyone would be happy to help. I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a very Happy New Year

Kindest regards
Karen Turner

P.S. Just google the names and the surname mccann and you will see these are people that have been leaving comments after news articles, this is a huge unprecidented campaign led by two official suspects to influence the case and shed bad light on the PJ.

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Another posted the following message in response to the above post by TheDayJusticeDied

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ScotBot posted 12/31/07 at 1:53pm

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Good work.

This is what Ms Turner has had to say about one article:

"This is hardly surprising - any bafoon knows this is a pile of pants. You don't need any kind of criminal experience to work out the parents have had nothing to do with this. The Portuguese police are simply inept, as demonstrated from day 1. Portugal is a 3rd world country. How are they expected to interpret DNA results objectively - they don't have that kind of history or experience. They do not have any paedophile laws and paedophiles are known to operate there. If you were the police, would you like to look like a bunch of Keystone Cops? It's no longer about a little girl, it's about the Portuguese Police, attempting to salvage their reputation (if they ever had one) by implicating the parents on what - inconclusive forensics and media slurs."

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:aoFgwO-04bgJ:www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp%3FnodeId%3D132935%26command%3DdisplayContent%26sourceNode%3D132702%26contentPK%3D18347130%26folderPk%3D77465%26pNodeId%3D132393+%22Karen+Turner%22+madeleine&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

>>>>>>>> END <<<<<<<<<<

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, and I apologize for the false link I previously posted.

Thanks,
CKH
12/31/2007
CKH_the_posting_fool zei...
Ironside -

It looks like the thread by "theAuthor" I previously mentioned regarding forgery analysis of the last photo of Maddie has been restored on the Mirror forum, so here's the link: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=9782 I admit I haven't read all 118 pages of it, but do at least give the opening post a read.

HTH,
CKH
12/31/2007

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:dPYHoqAGzGIJ:skynews4.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/12/the-madeleine-c.html+ruth+margaret+mccann+gerry+mccann&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=de


v - here's the link to the 3arguidos site that Ironside wants you to check out: http://the3arguidos.makeforum.org/

I'd also like to direct everyone's attention to an excellant editorial posted by member "BlackWatch" on MF regarding "Cash for Comments Scandal" -- here's the link: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=33176&highlight= At the very least, please read the opening post.
1/01/2008

v - here's the link to the 3arguidos site that Ironside wants you to check out: http://the3arguidos.makeforum.org/

I'd also like to direct everyone's attention to an excellant editorial posted by member "BlackWatch" on MF regarding "Cash for Comments Scandal" -- here's the link: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=33176&highlight= At the very least, please read the opening post.
1/01/2008

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atardi said...

Viv,

Sorry,

It was a very long post. But I had to explain how the pro's work.

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