UPDATED, 22/4/10, As a lot of people clearly believe the spin that Mitchell put out in the Daily Telegraph report below dated 21 June 2008, that the McCanns made Madeleine a Ward of Court themselves in 2007, I thought I would include the Order that Mrs Justice Hogg wanted making public that actually confirms it was she who made Madeleine a Ward a few months before Clarence spun this lie on 2 April 2008. The McCanns repeatedly misrepresent matters in this way in the press and it is right that the truth should be pointed out, of course they also lost their application to force the police to disclose their file of papers also having to back down and just accept back what they handed to the police in the first place, some 81 pieces of information handed to the police by their solicitors who had not kept copies. The McCanns apparently wanted to get their Spanish detectives to re-investigate what the proper police had already investigated. Yes, this bunch who told us they would have Maddie home for Christmas and were charging £50,000 per month apparently.
I am afraid it also confirms that the repeated claims of Goncalo Amaral that Madeleine is dead, she died in the apartment, were clearly also a matter of spin, presumably to sell his best selling book on the subject. Cashing in on a missing little girl is just horrendous behaviour, no matter which side of the fence it comes from.
IN THE MATTER OF MADELEINE BETH MCCANN
Judgment of Mrs Justice Hogg at the High Court, Family Division, RCJ, London,
7th July 2008, in open court
Madeleine went missing on 3 May 2007 just a few days before her 4th birthday, while she was holidaying with her family in the Algarve in Portugal.
On 17 May 2007 Madeleine’s parents invoked the jurisdiction of this Court under the Inherent Jurisdiction of the Court, and The Child Abduction and Custody Act, and the Hague Convention. They sought various orders and directions aimed at ascertaining the whereabouts and recovery of Madeleine. I became involved with the proceedings shortly afterwards.
On 2 April 2008 Madeleine became a Ward of this Court, and since that date has remained a Ward.
At all times jurisdiction was assumed by the Court because, there being no evidence to the contrary, it is presumed Madeleine is alive.
She is a British Citizen, and like her parents habitually resident here.
The current application was made on 2 April 2008 by the parents seeking disclosure of information and documents from the Chief Constable of Leicestershire to assist them and their own investigations in their search for Madeleine. Such are the complexities of the issues involved other interested parties were invited and joined to the application, and directions given for the hearing today.
The parties have reached an accommodation whereby the Chief Constable will provide to Madeleine’s parents contact details of members of the public who had themselves contacted the parents or their solicitors, and which on receipt were immediately passed to the Chief Constable, together with a brief resume of the information given.
The parents do not wish to pursue other aspects of the application, and save for the draft consent order being approved by this Court wish to withdraw their application and seek leave to do so.
I have no criticism of the parents in making this application. They have behaved responsibly and reasonably throughout.
I have considered the documents provided to this Court by the various parties, and have concluded that the agreement reached by the parties is entirely appropriate, and that the parents should be permitted to withdraw the balance of their application.
I will make the Order by Consent as sought. In particular paragraph 1 of the Order made on the 22 May 2007 shall be varied with the words:
“The terms of this paragraph shall not apply to the Chief Constable of Leicestershire or any other United Kingdom law enforcement agency. And for the avoidance of doubt all the evidence submitted to the Court and the Case Summaries and Skeleton Arguments remain confidential to the Court save that the Chief Constable may use his discretion to disclose his evidence, case summary and skeleton arguments filed in this Court and the Orders of 22 May 2007, 2 April 2008 and this Order. Any other documents and their contents are not to be disclosed to any person or published save in accordance with Orders already made by the Court or further Order of the Court”.
It may be noted that neither of the Parents is present today. I let it be known last week that providing their legal team was fully instructed neither parent need be present, and I would not criticise or bear any ill-feeling towards them if they chose to stay away. It was my decision as they have suffered enough, and I wished to ease their burden.
I know the police authorities and other official law enforcement agencies in this country, in Portugal and elsewhere have striven and will continue to strive to trace Madeleine.
I urge anyone who has any information however small or tenuous to come forward now so that further enquiries can be made.
There is, of course, as least one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine, and where she may be found.
I ponder about that person: whether that person has a heart and can understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been torn and secreted from her parents and siblings whom she loves and felt secure with, and whom no doubt misses and grieves for. Whether that person has a conscience or any feeling of guilt, remorse or even cares about the hurt which has been caused to an innocent little girl: whether that person has a faith and belief, and what explanation or justification that person will give to God.
I entreat that person whoever and wherever you may be to show mercy and compassion, and come forward now to tell us where Madeleine is to be found.
I hope and pray that Madeleine will be found very soon alive and well.
I confirm the Wardship and Madeleine will remain a Ward of Court until further Order of the Court. The case will be reserved to myself subject to my availability.
http://madeleinemccann.org/main/2008/1761/in-the-matter-of-madeleine-beth-mccann/
IN THE MATTER OF MADELEINE BETH MCCANN
Judgment of Mrs Justice Hogg at the High Court, Family Division, RCJ, London,
7th July 2008, in open court
Madeleine went missing on 3 May 2007 just a few days before her 4th birthday, while she was holidaying with her family in the Algarve in Portugal.
On 17 May 2007 Madeleine’s parents invoked the jurisdiction of this Court under the Inherent Jurisdiction of the Court, and The Child Abduction and Custody Act, and the Hague Convention. They sought various orders and directions aimed at ascertaining the whereabouts and recovery of Madeleine. I became involved with the proceedings shortly afterwards.
On 2 April 2008 Madeleine became a Ward of this Court, and since that date has remained a Ward.
At all times jurisdiction was assumed by the Court because, there being no evidence to the contrary, it is presumed Madeleine is alive.
She is a British Citizen, and like her parents habitually resident here.
The current application was made on 2 April 2008 by the parents seeking disclosure of information and documents from the Chief Constable of Leicestershire to assist them and their own investigations in their search for Madeleine. Such are the complexities of the issues involved other interested parties were invited and joined to the application, and directions given for the hearing today.
The parties have reached an accommodation whereby the Chief Constable will provide to Madeleine’s parents contact details of members of the public who had themselves contacted the parents or their solicitors, and which on receipt were immediately passed to the Chief Constable, together with a brief resume of the information given.
The parents do not wish to pursue other aspects of the application, and save for the draft consent order being approved by this Court wish to withdraw their application and seek leave to do so.
I have no criticism of the parents in making this application. They have behaved responsibly and reasonably throughout.
I have considered the documents provided to this Court by the various parties, and have concluded that the agreement reached by the parties is entirely appropriate, and that the parents should be permitted to withdraw the balance of their application.
I will make the Order by Consent as sought. In particular paragraph 1 of the Order made on the 22 May 2007 shall be varied with the words:
“The terms of this paragraph shall not apply to the Chief Constable of Leicestershire or any other United Kingdom law enforcement agency. And for the avoidance of doubt all the evidence submitted to the Court and the Case Summaries and Skeleton Arguments remain confidential to the Court save that the Chief Constable may use his discretion to disclose his evidence, case summary and skeleton arguments filed in this Court and the Orders of 22 May 2007, 2 April 2008 and this Order. Any other documents and their contents are not to be disclosed to any person or published save in accordance with Orders already made by the Court or further Order of the Court”.
It may be noted that neither of the Parents is present today. I let it be known last week that providing their legal team was fully instructed neither parent need be present, and I would not criticise or bear any ill-feeling towards them if they chose to stay away. It was my decision as they have suffered enough, and I wished to ease their burden.
I know the police authorities and other official law enforcement agencies in this country, in Portugal and elsewhere have striven and will continue to strive to trace Madeleine.
I urge anyone who has any information however small or tenuous to come forward now so that further enquiries can be made.
There is, of course, as least one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine, and where she may be found.
I ponder about that person: whether that person has a heart and can understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been torn and secreted from her parents and siblings whom she loves and felt secure with, and whom no doubt misses and grieves for. Whether that person has a conscience or any feeling of guilt, remorse or even cares about the hurt which has been caused to an innocent little girl: whether that person has a faith and belief, and what explanation or justification that person will give to God.
I entreat that person whoever and wherever you may be to show mercy and compassion, and come forward now to tell us where Madeleine is to be found.
I hope and pray that Madeleine will be found very soon alive and well.
I confirm the Wardship and Madeleine will remain a Ward of Court until further Order of the Court. The case will be reserved to myself subject to my availability.
http://madeleinemccann.org/main/2008/1761/in-the-matter-of-madeleine-beth-mccann/
Hi All,
As you know, it has been mysteriously leaked that on 7 July, Kate and Gerry will enter into a legal battle with Leicestershire Police demanding disclosure of police files in relation to "sightings" of Madeleine. It is claimed that the legal advice they received early on was that they should make Madeleine a Ward of the British Court. It is certainly true they were receiving assistance from family lawyers at a very early stage and I have to say it baffled me as to why they would be doing this. Gerry commented at an early stage that it was not their plan to use private investigators but the fund had enabled them to get a lot of lawyers in place, presumably including these family lawyers. It seems to me that when faced with the situation that all three children had been neglected by Kate and Gerry and one had gone missing in Portugal, Leicestershire Social Services may have decided to make the children Wards of Court. Wardship proceedings are rarely used, the procedure that is normally used is for the Local Authority to carry out an investigation under the Children Act and then either place the children on the at risk register or, in more serious cases to apply to the Court for an Emergency Protection Order followed by formal Care Proceedings. However, wardship would be appropriate where the children are out of the jurisdiction, as in this case. This gives the Court the power to make orders as to the care and wellbeing of the children on the basis the court is satisfied they are at risk of serious physical or emotional harm, or both. As we know, Kate and Gerry sought to suggest, via John McCann that the visit from Leicestershire Social Services on their return was "at their behest". Of course, this would not be true, the SSD would be under a statutory duty to investigate matters further as soon as they returned to UK. We also know from Philomena that Kate was "terrified of the twins being taken from her".
This court hearing is just one week prior to the date when Portuguese are due to make their police file available to Kate and Gerry McCann. We know that evidence has been passed on to Leicestershire Police. I wonder if the Portuguese Police are therefore only going to make limited disclosure, perhaps in relation to certain offences where the investigation is now completed. I have always thought that the McCanns offending behaviour extended far beyond 3 May 2007. It has continued with fraudulently encouraging the public to keep giving them money to search for Madeleine. Clearly all the false sightings would achieve the stated aim of Kate and Gerry McCann is seeking to remind the public Madeleine is still missing, Gerry confessed in June 2007 he was extremely worried the media would just forget about this case. Clearly there is no way he was going to allow that to happen. The Portuguese Police, as we know, have been investigating, kidnapping, homicide, abandonment and disposal of corpse, but there are more offences than that.. false sightings and very serious fraud. I believe the McCanns are desperate to know what Leicestershire Police have against them in relation to these matters. I also believe that the McCanns will be prosecuted in the UK in relation to all matters. The police are always loathe to allow suspects to have details of the evidence against them because they can then start manufacturing further false evidence as a defence. I have no doubt that is why Leicester Police will be strenuously opposing the application the McCanns are making. From the article below it would seem the McCanns seriously expect a High Court Judge to order that police hand over part of their files to "Metodo 3". I have a feeling the police will have something to say about this firm. I am sure the police will also point out it is not up to prime suspects to dictate to the police that their investigation is compromised and damaged by handing over evidence against directly to the prime suspects. The McCanns just continue to act like a couple of desperate criminals, but still, the likes of which I have never seen before, truly, leaving so stone unturned.
I have also included an article that was referred on last thread by other posters which is very helpful, where Philomena actually refers to the fact the family will prevent the children becoming wards of court! Whenever children are at risk with their immediate family, SSD generally will try and place the children with other relatives wherever possible, but Philomena seems to confirm in this article the wardship threat was coming from the SSD, certainly not that it emanated from Kate and Gerry themselves.
Madeleine McCann: parents' court bid for information
By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter
Last Updated: 3:08AM BST 21/06/2008
Kate and Gerry McCann are to ask a High Court judge to order the release of police documents which they hope will kick-start the search for their missing daughter Madeleine, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Kate and Gerry McCann are determined to everything necessary to search for their daughter
The McCanns hope their application to Mrs Justice Hogg will result in Leicestershire Police opening their files on scores of reported sightings of Madeleine, most of which have been passed on to them by police in Portugal, where the four-year-old disappeared in May last year.
Until now police in Leicestershire, the McCanns' home county, have refused the couple's requests for information about sightings, saying they are bound by the terms of an agreement with Portuguese police.
But Mr and Mrs McCann, who retain the services of a Spanish-based detective agency, are anxious to make sure that every possible lead has been checked out, which they believe the Portuguese police, whose investigation is gradually being wound down, may not be able to do.
The Telegraph can also disclose that Madeleine was made a ward of court last summer at the request of the McCanns, to empower judges to act in her best interests in any legal dispute such as the case which is about to be heard.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, said: “I can state that on the instigation of Gerry and Kate McCann Madeleine is a ward of the High Court of England and Wales.
“An application has been made on Madeleine’s behalf by her parents for disclosure of certain documents. The hearing is currently scheduled for July 7 in the High Court in London.
“It has been the stated intention of Gerry and Kate McCann to leave no stone unturned in doing everything necessary to search for their daughter, as would any parent.
“This application is just part of their search for Madeleine.”
Madeleine’s status as a ward of court has never been disclosed by her parents, who quietly made a wardship application in the High Court just weeks after she went missing.
The couple’s legal team had advised them to ask for Madeleine to be made a ward of court because wardship status gives the courts certain statutory powers to act on her behalf in legal disputes such as the one which has arisen with Leicestershire police.
They still believe their daughter is alive and hope the police files may contain information which could yet lead to a breakthrough.
The case is listed to be heard in open court on July 7 in the Family Division of the High Court in London, and is expected to be contested by Leicestershire Police, according to legal sources.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said: "Kate and Gerry have always said that they will do whatever is necessary to find Madeleine and that they will leave no stone unturned in their search for their daughter.
"They will take whatever legal steps are necessary if there is information out there that can assist their private investigation into finding Madeleine. Beyond that I cannot make any comment."
Mr Mitchell said the hearing would not involve any attempt by the McCanns to clear their names by proving they were not involved in their daughter's disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. They remain official suspects, or arguidos, in Portugal.
In recent months the couple have become increasingly frustrated at the slow progress of the Portuguese investigation, and they suspect that many possible sightings of Madeleine have not been followed up at all.
If they are given access to the police files on reported sightings, each one will be looked into by private investigators retained by the couple.
For the past year the McCanns have employed Metodo 3, a Barcelona-based detective agency, to carry out an investigation in parallel with the Portuguese police inquiry.
The agency has checked out sightings as far afield as North Africa and South America – all of which have proved to be false – using either its own staff or affiliated firms, which it says it can do far more quickly than the police.
In one instance earlier this year, the agency ruled out a sighting of Madeleine in Chile within three hours of receiving a tip-off, by employing local investigators to track down the girl concerned. The agency argues that police would have taken days to achieve a similar result because they would have been hampered by bureaucracy and official procedure.
Earlier this week Portugal's Attorney General suggested that police files may be opened up at the end of July, but the McCanns fear his comments may prove to be another false dawn.
Their case is being heard in the Family Division because it involves the welfare of a child. Mrs Justice Hogg, a specialist in child welfare cases, is the sister of former cabinet minister Douglas Hogg and the daughter of former Lord Chancellor Lord Hailsham.
Madeleine: Now British police ask if twins are 'at risk'By SAM GREENHILL, DAN NEWLING and NEIL SEARSLast updated at 08:11 11 September 2007
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The McCanns are under investigation from British police and social services to assess whether their twin son and daughter are at risk.
Given the gravity of the allegations facing the McCanns, social services have no choice but to examine any possible risk to young children who have endured four months in the glare of the media spotlight.
The couple awoke yesterday after their first night back in the village of Rothley since they flew home on Sunday without Madeleine.
When they realised, last Thursday, that Mrs McCann was to be made an official suspect in the disappearance of her daughter, they vowed to remain in Portugal to clear her name. However, during 13 hours of interrogation, Portuguese detectives threatened her with the terrible ultimatum of confessing - or losing her twins.
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Officers said they would charge both her and her husband in connection with the case, and claimed that bail would be denied while they awaited trial.
This would have resulted in the twins perhaps being taken into care by Portuguese social services for at least a year.
Hurriedly, the McCanns arranged to return to Britain - only to find that Leicestershire police were discussing them social workers.
John Coughlan, Joint President of the Association of Directors of Children's Services, explained: "In cases such as this, social workers working for the host authority need to make a sober assessment of the facts in the case.
"At the meeting they would try to establish what they know and what they don't - and would use that to try and determine whether there is any real risk to the children.
"If they decide that there is a risk, they would then consider what they are going to do about it, step by step."
He added: "In most cases, social service workers do not come crashing down the drive and snatch the children. They are much more likely to take a more measured approach."
Technically, if social workers conclude that there is a real risk to the twins, they could move to take the two children away from their 39-year-old parents.
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The family flew back from Portugal on Sunday
In this case, the Leicestershire social workers are unlikely to have a great deal of reliable information about the McCanns' behaviour.
As the Portuguese police force would not hand over information that may be used in a criminal prosecution, the British social workers may therefore decide to carry out an initial interview with the McCanns before taking further action.
Nevertheless, Mr McCann's sister Philomena revealed that the family are preparing for the worst.
She said: "Madeleine's godmother is down at Rothley right now and she is prepared to step into the breach if Gerry and Kate are asked to return to Portugal.
"The family are more than willing to look after the children and they will not become wards of the state here or anywhere else."
Yesterday the McCanns were visited at their large modern home by a police "crime reduction officer" who explained that he gives information about "personal safety".
The visit raised fears that the couple could be targeted by members of the public who believe they are responsible for Madeleine's death.
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The twins' sister, Madeleine, went missing on May 3
Back in Portugal, a police source said phone calls to and from the couple form "a major strand" of the inquiry.
For more than a month, the couple have been under round-the-clock surveillance, with their calls recorded and their e-mails intercepted by the Portuguese police.
Now it is alleged that something said on the phone has added to detectives' conviction that Madeleine died the night she went missing.
The Mail has discovered new details about the conclusions drawn by the British scientists.
Portuguese police believe the crucial forensics supports their case that some terrible harm came to Madeleine in the apartment.
A source in the UK said last night the results of toxicology tests were "significant", indicating that police are focusing on some sort of medication or poison in the apartment.
The McCanns have repeatedly denied accidentally overdosing their daughter on sedatives to help her sleep while they went out to dinner.
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I'll let Claudia have the new page. She just loves it.
Bugger :-)))))))))))
Doc, you can't beat me in this very intellectual stimulating competetion. ;-)
How about Bless-ed Kate.
Goodnight to both of you. I'm an hour ahead and quite weary already. Sleep well.
Sorry it should have read:
How about that Bless-ed Kate.
ICTOAN, I have no idea what you're talking about! ;-)
Doc, dorme bem. I just replied to your e-mail.
xxxx
Good night Doc
Need to read another chapter of my bedside book so Good Night Claudia.
Oh hang. ICTOAN close your eyes. I just got a message and seeing as I have a stalker on the pink side who is STILL looking for the famous 3 and me I could not resist:
80-year old Christabel bursts into the rec room at the retirement home. She holds her clenched fist in the air and announces, "Anyone who can guess what's in my hand can have sex with me tonight!!" An elderly gentleman in the rear shouts out, "An elephant?" Christabel thinks for a moment and says, "Close enough."
Night!
Claudia
When phrased as in my corrected entry, the word Blessed (but pronounced as I write it) is a polite substitute for any rude word that would fit.
Hope that makes sense.
Doc, lololololol
Poor old guy!
Sleep well both.
ICTOAN, I know. I was playing a pro! ;-)
Boa noite to anyone leaving!
Doc
Can I open my eyes now?
Nos Da
claudia
Sleept tight, ICTOAN. If you can after Doc's joke, that is! :-)
xxxx
Yes ICTOAN
Open them now. I just did want any man to have that terrible vision presented to them.
Sleep well chief.
Anonymous said...
AW Doc aint they told you?
docmac said...
ICTOAN
I have no idea what happened to Alsa or whether she has invited people to her blog or not. I've always been keen to know what transpired but nobody seems to know.
Oh dear I feel so lost and bewildered now. I have no reason to live without Alsabella and her blog. Come here mop, I need a final wet hug. AW thanks.
Good morning everyone - up early because it's so much cooler now.
Hi ATARDI
You asked me about the Tapas and who I think is involved. Well, quite frankly, I think they are all involved in a cover up, but I think that only K&G are responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine - if only because they left her and her siblings alone every night! However, I think it is much more serious than that.
Three of the tapas pals were recalled to speak to the PJ's and confront Robert Murat, so their statements must have been a bit suspicious in the first instance.
Jane Tanner -
lied on Panorama and changed her story about the supposed abductor.
Russell O'Brien -
was away from the table for between 25 and 45 minutes, claimed his child was sick and had to have the sheets changed, which turned out to be a lie as MW said no clean sheets had been issued. Also if a child is sick they normally want their Mum, so why didn't he ring JT and ask her to come and see their child. Why didn't she go and see why Russell was taking so long with his check either?
Matthew Oldfield -
said he went to check but didn't bother looking to see if M was in her bed, but just listened at the door! I don't believe that for one moment - if you are checking on children then you look to see they are alright.
Rachel Oldfield -
one of those asked to talk to the PJ's and confront Murat when saying she had seen him outside the apartment that night.
David Payne -
said he was the last person to see Madeleine as Kate was getting her ready for bed at 6.30p. He made some strange quotes:
"We were waiting for something to hapen but didn't in our wildest nightmares think it would be this"
Why was he waiting for something to happen?
Also when asked a question he said:
"this is our matter only. It's nobody else's business"
Those words speak volumes to me!
Fiona Payne -
Also asked by the PJ's to clear up her statement and confront Robert Murat.
Diane Webster -
I find it completely bizarre that Diane Webster stayed in her seat while everyone else rushed off to the apartment when Kate came running to the tapas bar with her story of 'they've taken her'!
Now if Diana had not been aware before of something happening she would have rushed back with the rest of them. Also the fact she has not given interviews or said anything at all on the subject suggests she is afraid to talk for fear of jeopardising her daughter and son-in-law's welfare and that of her grandchildren.
Another thing that makes all the 'checks' complete pie in the sky is when DW said that all parents were responsible for checking on their own children - so why did the rest of them say they checked on Madeleine?
My opinion only of course Atardi!
I could be completely wrong!
Nx
Atardi -
What worries me a bit is the fact that the Tapas lot are thinking of suing DX newspapers for untrue articles printed about them.
Just why have they waited all this time to announce this? Is it perhaps because the 7th July is coming up and they want to divert attention away from that!
Also to make themselves look whiter than white I expect.
Nx
Another thought occurred to me - just why did Kate run to the Tapas bar to let people know Madeleine had gone missing instead of phoning Gerry at the bar? Did she not worry that someone might take the twins too? Would anyone leave their other children alone when one had gone missing and thought to be abducted? I don't think so.
Oh yes, of course, Gerry didn't have his phone with him! A likely story! And even if he didn't, she would have got someone to stay with the twins surely, rather than leave them to the fate of another abduction!
Morning all,
Nancy,
'Did she not worry that someone might take the twins too? Would anyone leave their other children alone when one had gone missing and thought to be abducted? I don't think so.'
Exactly. Why are they not being asked these questions by the Media.
This time we can't point a finger at the mother. However where were other family members who must have known how ill she was?
US TODDLER EATS CAT FOOD TO SURVIVE
US toddler survived on cat food after his mother died
Saturday June 28,2008
Police in California say a two-year-old boy survived on dry cat food for up to six days after his mother died.
The Sacramento Bee newspaper reported that a social worker heard the toddler crying while making a visit to check on the family on Thursday morning. The worker called police after no one answered the door.
Inside, authorities found the body of 36-year-old Lisa Gonzales. It was not immediately known how she died, but a Child Protective Services spokeswoman says the woman suffered from a chronic illness.
A Sacramento police spokesman said foul play was not suspected.
The boy, identified only as Noah, is in protective custody while social workers determine whether he can be placed with a family member.
Hi Zodiac and Nancy
Real journalism doesn't exist anymore.
Why leave a comfortable office chair when one can rely on someone else to provide the story.
An exception of course would be if the sortie provides a "jolly".
Hi Ictoan and Zodiac -
I'm glad I'm not the only one about!
Another reason why the media don't ask too many questions - in this case anyway - is because of libel threats (now the tapas lot are talking about suing the Express), and the only reason I can give for this is the McCanns have a strangulation squeeze on the media through their utterly unnecessary spokesman Clarence Mitchell. Surely it's time they gave up employing that guy at such huge expense and spent the money on looking for Madeleine instead - they obviously want to keep CM to keep up their status - it certainly makes them seem important to need a spokesman; why would two supposedly educated doctors need someone to mouth their words anyway?
Ictoan -
Yet another terribly sad case!
It seems strange that none of the family rang the mother to find out if she was alright, especially if she had a history of bad health!
Thankfully this little chap survived and I hope he will live with someone who will give him lots of love and attention after his terrible experience.
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I see that the mother of the little girl described as a porcelain doll has got just 12 years in prison - she should have got life, because she murdered that little girl just as surely as if she'd actually strangled her! Why the legal system sees the neglect of a child until death as not actually classed as murder but manslaughter, I will never know! Also the step father's sentence was a paltry five years!
Is that all a child's life is worth these days?
Absolutely appalling case yet again!
Morning ALL
It is looking more and more like children just dont matter any more in modern Britain. The Government are so worried about youth crime yet dont want to tackle idiot parents who see a child as an object to use when they want to and ignore when it suits them.
Even childminders these days have to have an education plan for the children they mind (including recording crawling) and although I think this is wrong as children need to be children and have fun with no tests for as long as possible if a parent decides to ignore their child in favor of some me time and walk out and leave them alone you must not say it was neglect.
There is a post on the 3As about how a Mrs Rewnwick said that Kate had sugested Gerry go to a fancy dress dinner by himself as they did not want to leave the children alone??? My reply to that post was if true they must have left the children alone in the past as any normal person would say Gerry would go to the dinner by himself as they couldne get a baby sitter.
Every person who had a child on that holiday and decided to neglect their children will one day have to explain to their child why they did not put them first and if they make money out of their shamefull actions (which they want us to believe Madeleine was abducted because of) then they can all go to hell. Each and every one of them should be being monitored by Social Services if they really believe they are good parents having acted the way they did on holiday then they are fooling only themselves.
Just read this post by paddington2007 3 A'S.
http://www.portugalresident.com/portuga ... p?ID=27684
British Consul resigns to pursue legal career
Ceclia Edwards, who has resigned as British Consul after a year in the job. Photo: SUPPLIED
Ceclia Edwards, who has resigned as British Consul after a year in the job. Photo: SUPPLIED
A RESIDENT EXCLUSIVE
BRITISH CONSUL Celia Edwards is to leave her post after just one year to return to the UK to pursue her legal career.
Her resignation is effective from Tuesday, July 1.
The former consul, who was also Head of Post, said: “It has been a good and challenging year for Portimão, where I have dealt with high profile cases and also been involved in the merger of the consular operations in Portugal and Spain into a single entity.”
The biggest high profile event Celia Edwards faced in her one-year tenure was helping to deal with many aspects of the case of missing Madeleine McCann and the subsequent naming of Gerry and Kate McCann as arguidos or suspects in her disappearance.
A spokesman from the British Embassy told The Resident: “We can confirm that Celia has resigned from her post for personal reasons.
“Staff at the consulate in Portimão will be handling everything until a new Head of Post is found. Assistance for British persons will continue as normal”
In an email to business people in the Algarve, Celia Edwards gave an insight into her decision: “I have also been away from my family, who remained in London throughout my year in post.”
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Nancy/ICTOAN,
It is sad that parents do not value the gift of children. I am thankful for everything I have in my life. My children are at the top of list along with my hubby, anything else is just a bonus.
'Your children need your presence more than your presents.'
Jesse Jackson
So was it she who ushered G & K out of Portugal in the same manner as the US authorites get accused Blackwater employees out of Iraq?
Hi H4T,
The children of all the child neglectors on that holiday will one day start to ask questions. Questions that will need answers.
BBFN.
Good morning all!
IMO the reason the tapas libel newspapers is because they read all from the same book, eager of money.
About all those tiny children left alone to dead,it seems to me that with the example of McCanns representing amber allert, the message to silly and ignorant mothers is: we can leave babies unattend at home to go party, Doctors did it... and after we can call amber allert.
What a shame!!!!!
Hi Hope - nice to see you!
Yes, it's tragic that little children don't warrant the same attention as young thugs who make people's lives a misery - now some berk is saying that it's because these kids come from a disadvantaged backgroud.... - usual PC stuff!
Well, I remember my gran - dead now for many years - saying she was one of 14 and they had to take it in turns to go to school because of the shortage of shoes in the family. That's disadvantaged!! All of them turned out pillars of society I might add. There was no knife or gun crime in those days because the majority of people only had enough to just about get by!
What terrifies me is that these kids who carry knives and guns (and they are of course in the minority), will one day have children themselves and what sort of upbringing will their children have with such cruel parents?
I do think that would be parents should think long and hard before having children because we are not all born with a maternal or paternal instinct and if children are illtreated, it just perpetuates to their children ad infinitum!
It's a world wide problem of course - child cruelty knows no boundaries unfortunately
Nx
Mandarrin -
yes, it's all about money obviously!
It could be that the tapas 7 (like the McCanns before them) want to get some money behind them before they are perhaps found guilty of neglect for leaving their chidren too! After all once convicted they won't be in a position to sue anyone!
They are all after as much as they can get and they don't mind who they tread on to feather their nests!
Hello Zodiac and Nancy
'Your children need your presence more than your presents.'
Jesse Jackson What a fantastic quote and so very very true...
Parents who had no parenting are now parents to children they have no idea how to parent... Unless somehting is done PDQ this circle will continue as your Grandparents can testify they were disadvantaged (in the monetry sense) but they were brought up to respect and with love it really is that simple...
Now so say profesionals are neglecting their children (gone on for all time but never all over the papers) it shows that bad parenting happends every where..
Does CM really belive if he says it was not neglect then everyone will agree with him???
xxx
Zodiac-
Thanks for the news about Celia Edwards' resignation as Consulate!
The fact that she worked on the McCann case when it all happened gives food for thought!
Another coincidence just before the Court appearances!
What will be the next thing to happen before the dates of 7th and 14th July I wonder!
Off for a coffee now - see you later!
Docmac, for when you're around...
Here's a lovely story about a new idea called the Penguin Recognition System:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7475654.stm
Opus says what's the problem? If it walks like a penguin, talks like a penguin, has a large orange beak, then it IS a penguin...
:)
Alroy and the trolls exposed
JUEVES 27 DE MARZO DE 2008
The sea and Madeleine
The web site located at www.internationalmensorganisation.info contains information related to paedophile millionaire men living on luxurious private yachts anchored at high seas, from where they order the "purchase" of children to become their personal property and sex slaves. According to the information, these paedophiles carry on their activity at high seas to avoid public view or detection of their deeds.
Some months ago, the Daily News of London published two different articles with photographs showing the exact place at a Portuguese beach location where an eye witness saw a child covered up with a blanket, being handled by two men who gave it to a couple waiting on a speedboat anchored near by that minutes later, took off at high speed into the sea with the child on board. This information was given by the eye witness to the Portuguese police on May 5, 2007 --two days after Madeleine Mc Cann was abducted. The Portuguese police ignored the information and kept focusing instead on accusing her parents of killing their daughter, while the Portuguese media orchestrated the official version in unbridled ways that demonised Gerry and Kate Mc Cann with great intensity. Incidentally, the same newspaper published recently some news about a book that former Portuguese police Paulo Cristovao wrote about the Madeleine Mc Cann case in Portugal. In the book, Cristovao categorically and sadistically declares that Madeleine "was dumped in the sea and her body has disappeared forever..." It is really interesting to note that Cristovao's declaration somehow fit in with different theories in which the sea highlights at conclusions related to the veil of evil mystery surrounding the whole case. How does Cristovao know so much in detail about the sea in connection with the abduction and disappearance of Madeleine? What does he know regarding individuals at a particular beach location, carrying a child wrapped in a blanket and then given it to others, waiting on a speedboat that took off fast towards the high sea? Why doesn't he explain this in his book since he knows so much about the sea in relation to Madeleine? This writer has stated more than once before, that many of the unanswered questions related to the abduction and mysterious disappearance of Madeleine, could very possibly be within the Portuguese police itself, and those responsible for the "investigation" that produced nothing but senseless and false criminal accusations against her parents.
In the case of Cristovao, it may be that with his type of criminal background in connection with the brutal and systematic torture inflicted on detainee Leonor Cipriano, as an extra judicial and savage method to force her into admitting guilt just to avoid more torture, and for which he and his associate Goncalo Amaral were both indicted and now must face a criminal trail, his statements inevitably arouse great suspicion leaning our thoughts to think that he probably knows a lot more about the abduction and destiny of Madeleine than what we had previously realised. I ask again: On what ground does he stand on to declare so categorically that Madeleine "was dumped in the sea and her body disappeared forever"? How does he know for sure that is exactly what happened to Madeleine after her abduction? By using common sense one can only conclude that Cristovao does have the answers to these questions since he even wrote a book on the subject. Anyone wanting to write a book must have solid knowledge of the subject to be written about.
According to the Daily Mail, Cristovao has publicly admitted that he intended his book entitled "The Star of Madeleine" to be protective of Portugal as a place where paedophilia has been socially accepted sub rosa while in parallel unofficially institutionalised for at least fifty years, and to infuriate the Mc Cann family. These and other admissions made by Cristovao regarding the contents of his book, reveal a sadist mind and what may be the true intention behind the number of grotesque statements, uttered for the purpose of creating a momentarily upheaval, while he can cash in by the sales of his worthless and stupid book. A fair conclusion to arrive at, is that Cristovao is nothing more than an opportunist, unscrupulous and sadist thug seeking personal gain, at the expense of victims who have and continue suffering as a result of criminal deeds committed by those with sick and warped minds whom he defends. Cristovao should be thoroughly investigated for his possible involvement in other criminal activities --besides torturing prisoners-- including the abduction of children, while hiding behind corrupt officialdom as a shield protecting him and those whose interests he truly represents.
PUBLICADO POR ARGIZ EN 4:56 4 COMENTARIOS
gina dijo...
Congratulations on this article, your courage in speaking so directly about this terrible and blatant scandal is powerful.
I am angry too and wondering what on earth we can do to force the truth out from behind this dark and heavy group.
I am still praying Madeleine might be alive. They desperately want us to stop hoping and stop searching and stop asking questions.
Thank you for writing this because we must not and every little bit helps.
29 de marzo de 2008 3:00
Yip, it's the very same Gina.
Hi LGC
Your Opus may have a large orange beak but here the penguins live on the dark side :-) What an interesting story. The video was not taken on Robben Island IMO. It looks very much like Boulders Beach.
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I'm begging you Sian, no more BB crap on this site. The rest is a scream. I know most of the posters on there! lilolilolil!!!!
I never thrust Gina, since Dx times. Too much theater, too much information about herself . And i never bought that story she use several times of a friend bloging in her place...many words and apart the tips ( divertion manoever) said nothing really important.
I never thrust Gina, since Dx times. Too much theater, too much information about herself . And i never bought that story she use several times of a friend bloging in her place...many words and apart the tips ( divertion manoever) said nothing really important.
Hi Docmac,
Forgive my lack of I.T. knowledge here - what gives the game away about it being the same Gina?
LGC
Well it's a blogger site and the name is blue.
Hi Mandarinn
:-)))))
"Oh NotAdoc, NotAdoc, no, no, no! said...
Poor NotAdoc,
You just are not in the loop are are you?
Perhaps your spite and venom are even too much for the great Arsabliar (Marla for short)
Hail Arsabliar...Hail Arsabliar...Hail Arsabliar.
Personally NotAdoc, for what my opinion is worth, I think Arsabliar has treated you very shabbily, especially when she got you to lie through your lying back teeth for her that time.
Or perhaps.....She even lied to you and convinced you that she was not Marla?
Just in case she did do this, are you aware that Arsabliar's blogger ID number and Marla's Blogger ID numbers are a perfect match (Better than a DNA profile, this is 100% certain) Yes it is true, Arsabliar posted under the ID of Marla and used foul language and lies to try and fool people, seemed it worked to a degree, she fooled you and the other muppets, however who she did not fool was Rosie, Tinks and Sass and all the other pros.
What does it feel like to be hoodwinked and lied to NotAdoc?
Told you, but you just would not listen, you insisted that you were right, just like the time you made a complete arse of yourself over the DNA issue with Mark55 on the DX.
28 June 2008 11:51"
lololol!! Is that Mark12 the dentist? Love the capital As in my name! I think I will transform myself into QuAckmAc after all, just to save you having to type my name twice. Thanks for the entertainment!
Whoaaahhh!!
Paulo Reis is posting on 3a. I can't wait to see Tracey and Louise take this guy on! He is intelligent enough to turn Alroy's Vee8 into a T7 quicker than you can say "Jane's a liar".
Doc, Sara was born! :-) No details yet, but I think all's ok.
Paulo Reis eats Traceys and Louises for breakfast! ;-)
Excellent news, Claudia!!! Love to Sandra and Sara from Cidade de Cabo!
Thank you, Doc. Haven't had any news for about 2 hours and the only reason why I'm not at the hospital is that only the father is allowed there now. :-)
Sandra, Sara and Carlos say thank you! :-)
I see from one of the threads on 3A's that our old friend Stella is being targeted by a mysterious caller on her phone.
Good evening ICTOAN
Yes I saw that too. What an odd story that is. I was pleased to see Rat post in reply as I had not seen her name for a while. It seems she may also have been experiencing some form of harassment.
I'm off for the evening now. I hope you and yours have a good one.
ICTOAN and Doc, that's easy to solve. There are ways to trace these 'stalkers'. :-)
Claudia what lovely news!
Please send my love and congratulations to Sandra, Sara and Carlos.
xxxxxxxx
Claudia
Stella is getting plenty of advice from other posters.
BTW
Did you know that they are now blaming Portugal for Britain's bad weather?
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/06/28/gloomy-july-azores-to-blame-91466-21165445/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Docrot said...
gina dijo...
Congratulations on this article, your courage in speaking so directly about this terrible and blatant scandal is powerful.
I am angry too and wondering what on earth we can do to force the truth out from behind this dark and heavy group.
I am still praying Madeleine might be alive. They desperately want us to stop hoping and stop searching and stop asking questions.
Thank you for writing this because we must not and every little bit helps.
29 de marzo de 2008 3:00
Yip, it's the very same Gina.
...............................
Nice try docrot, but you are not as clever as you think PMSL...
It is NOT Gina, if you had a brain you could check her URL... and they do not match...
By the way Docrot when were you going to post as Firstaidafrica...
Go on say I am lying please.
Just in case here you are
http://www.blogger.com/profile/01870636771018697060 docmac
http://www.blogger.com/profile/01870636771018697060 FirstaidAfrica.
Oh you are a scream docrot and you keep saying others have more ID's...
You lying creep...
28 June 2008 19:07
Nope, it's the same Gina. As you indicated later in your own post, one number belongs to one person.
Firstaidafrica.wordpress.com was a test blog for but one of my business sites. I registered the name on all the blog hosts that I could to protect the name. Of course it shows up as being registered on the same blogger ID you idiot. All my blogs do. It was not intended to be a posting name. What a laugh!!!
I have no doubt that what you did would be considered by a judge to be stalking and/or an attempt to steal or reveal business information. I know who you are. Kindly desist.
good evening!!
Claudia
A warm welcome to Baby Sara and congratulations and best wishes to her parents, Sandra and Carlos.
Heroin baby's mystery death
By Samuel Underwood
A nine week old baby died after he was born hooked on heroin......
http://www.theargus.co.uk/display.var.2368897.0.heroin_babys_mystery_death.php
Viv and Mandarinn, thank you for your lovely wishes. Sandra is fine although the birth was not easy. Sara is tiny but beautiful. She is 44 cm and weighs only 2,320 kg. And man, she's got a lot of hair! :-)
ICTOAN, Stella just has to contact the police. Here there is a great police department which concentrates only on cyber crime and who gives great advice and tools to people, if you know what I mean. Just in case. :) I'm sure that telephone isn't that different.
ICTOAN, the weather thing is hilarious. And the other news is just tragic.
The aliens have landed. I've had about enough of this as I can take. Bye.
Doc, what do you mean? Were you expecting sanity or something?
Hiya Claudia
What a tiny little bundle of joy.
I wonder why Stella is not posting on here. I am sorry to hear she is getting so much hassle, but I guess someone who actually thinks she is super and a troll could be nothing better than a sad stalker who breaks the law, just like the gruesome twosome from Rothley, who she "supports".
I think when we get to hear all the evidence in the McCann case, much will be made of Gerry's prediliction for technology and how much harm that has actuall done to him. There is clearly a lot to come out about the mobile phone calls and his blogging and use of that laptop!
Viv x
Hi, Viv.
Logged on to check my e-mail before going to bed.
Sara is just lovely and so, so tiny. My friend Sandra is fine. Just sent me a text message saying she couldn't sleep because she couldn't stop looking at her. :-)
If Stella is being stalkes like that she just has to go to the police. In fact, you don't even have to be harassed to do it. You can contact the cyber crime department and ask for some information. And believe me, they do inform you. :-)
But all this makes you wonder, doesn't it? How far some people go to shut other people up. Exposing that to the media would be the very interesting.
Beijinhos, querida Viv.
Hiya Claudia
I remember after my first baby I could not sleep and think that is very normal. It is just such an exciting experience and a great shock to the system really when you suddenly have responsibility for this tiny little person. By the time you have two or three you get much more laid back about it all! I am sure with all the support she has your friend will be just fine.
I think it is very important that those who are being harassed by people who claim to support Kate and Gerry should go to the police. They are prime suspects being investigated for very serious crime and by letting the police know what their "supporters" are doing to others, all helps the police to build up a picture of what is going on. In my own case, I have to say the police seemed very interested and I was told the information would be passed on. I took that to mean to the officers actually dealing with the case at Leicester Police. It is a serious criminal offence in UK to harass people in this way and people are regularly prosecuted for it. If these people actually are close to Kate and Gerry McCann they are certainly doing them no favours at all by breaking the law in this way. I handed the obscene material that was written on my blog about paedophilia, partner abuse, murder etc to the police. Of course it has all stopped since I got rid of "Supertroll" and Co. These people are very sick and I believe actively support child abuse, racism etc.
Viv x
Good morning everyone!
I've just read back posts.
Atardi,
it would be great if she could do both things as my daughter does. She also plays basketball.
But we can't order them to do sth if they are not wanting or prepared for it.These things must come from themselves. We can suggest but not impose them. Otherwise the result will be unpleasant.And sometimes it has to do with one's age, personal characteristics and priorities.
I'm sure she will choose the right time to do something in this area. We all have our own timing.
Hope all the best to your special day!
Cláudia,
I'm glad to hear Sara is safe and healthy.All the best to her and her parents:-)
Viv,
how right you are concerning those posters who are doing the two no favours at all. Some of them show their true colours when they jump from the Rosapinky place to other blogs to offend and harass posters there using really low language and disgusting content.
Claudia -
Lovely news about little Sara being born! Small is beautiful they say!
Congratulations to your friend Sandra and Carlos.
Lovely summer baby!
Nx
The McCann's protesteth too much I think:
'Jailhouse Lawyer' on the 3A's:
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann are outraged after a German satire magazine pubished a fake advertisement selling products emblazoned with Madeleine's image. The Editor said he's astonished by the outrage!
I like this quote:
"The McCann family spokesperson CM told the British Tabloid 'the Sun' on Wednesday that the spoof is 'totally sick', very hurtful and in no way funny. The use of Madleine's image in this way is extremely distressing for Kate and Gerry and also shows Madeleine no respect"!!
JL
----------------------------------
Just what respect did Kate and Gerry show Madeleine when they left her alone with her younger sister and brother and then the moment she disappeared marketed her to the whole world - something Gerry admits himself.
Whilst I don't agree with anyone marketing Madeleine's image, least of all a German Magazine, I fail to see how these parents can complain when someone else jumps on the bandwagon of fame - they brought upon themselves quite frankly!
Nx
Who would not love to be this guy!!. He gets PAID to do this!
I wonder if he has been to your city, town or village yet as this is not the first video from him. I wonder if he spotted many little blonde girls along the way too.
Docmac -
Just loved it!
What a breath of fresh air!!
LOL that was brilliant thanks Doc what a guy...
Off out see you all later xxx
Thank you all for your lovely wishes. Sandra, Sara and Carlos say thank you. Sandra also followed this case and the foruns and blogs but silently.
Doc, thanks for that video. Diversity is everything and gives the world a unique beauty. Great lesson for all the racist and xenophobic b*****ds and b****es around.
Hi all
Docmac
Liked the video. I hope I have(n't) turned you into a youtube addict
"No wonder the Portuguese have acted with such horror at leaving children 50 yards (sic) away to eat dinner, even if those children were checked regularly (sic), the Portuguese obviously know a lot more about what actually happens in Portugal and just how *UNSAFE* a country it is for children."
Oh dear!
Full comment here.
Roy Whiting the murderer of Sarah Payne was on the Sex Offender's Register but unfortunately that didn't save her.
Does anyone have a contact addy for Alsabella, so we can ask to access her blog? Thanks in advance.
Hi Rat
Iqueried the new message on Alsabella's site on Friday.
Claudia wrote:
...... The fact that it has been privatised doesn't mean it's running and used. I know that Alsabella only had 2 or 3 e-mail addresses from posters. Inclding mine. So I don't see how she would do it. Maybe it's a makeover.
Hi all,
Claudia so nice to hear that Sara has arrived.
For the new parents Sandra and Carlos.
Time Well Spent
See tiny fingers and tiny toes,
Bright baby eyes, cute baby nose;
Hear baby gurgles and baby sighs,
As Mom and Dad sing lullabies.
Life is changed, but that's okay;
It's fun to spend glad hours each day,
Taking time for all the good
That comes along with parenthood.
By Joanna Fuchs
One thing to say.
The McCann's will have a 'tough' July.
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE
:)
Afternoon everyone
Viv, I hope you are okay?
Docmac, excellent video and lovely music. What a life !
Spain 2 - Germany 0
¡ suerte España!!
Notdoc is not a doc said...
Notdoc is a funny one,
It looks like he can't live with the pros and his main purpose is now trying to stir between the two blogs by copying and pasting comments from one blog onto the other.This is very childish behaviour.
Why didn't this 'neonatologist' make any comments about Claudia's friend's baby. During her labour and after the birth.
Surely the baby's low birth weight merited a comment, but he has taken no interest whatsoever and carried on copying and pasting other people's posts and laughing at spelling mistakes.
Maybe he doesn't care, maybe he knows nothing, maybe Claudia's friends are imaginary.
'Many pre-term babies are classified as having "low birth weight" or "very low birth weight." In medical terms, "low birth weight" means a baby weighs less than 5 pounds, 8 ounces (2,630 grams) at birth. That's the case for about 1 in every 13 babies in the United States, so it's quite common. "Very low birth weight" means a baby weighs less than 3 pounds, 5 ounces (1,587 grams). Most babies with low or very low birth weight were born prematurely.
Premature babies are given special medical attention immediately after birth, and a pediatric specialist called a neonatologist may be involved in their care. Many premature babies spend time in the neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) while they receive medical care, including feeding and observation of growth.'
29 June 2008 18:23
Nope, nothing unusual about that BW at 37W, which is not prem BTW. Try again.
Anonymous said...
How can Notadoc say to Gina, "I am still praying Madeleine might be alive" when a good few months ago he made a dramatic post on the 3a's
that "he was too upset to post anymore that evening as he had just heard something and sadly Madeleine would never ever be going home"
Just like back in December, when he said something big was going to break before Xmas, admittedly he didnt say which year!. And what happened to Clawdias Tsunami, I've not seen anything that would wash over my little toe!
Bunch of fabricators and if the posters on the snot green blog cant see through them now, then they really are as thick as shite!
29 June 2008 19:04
Nope, sorry again. That's what Gina said. You need to drink less.
Hi all
I have not been around for a couple of days I hope you are all well.
Claudia.
I am so glad Sara arrived safely after the false alarm.
Doc.
Loved the Video :o)
Hope.
Lovely to see you hope you are keeping well.
ROTB.
Nice to see you back, I have just been reading back on 3A's, sorry you have had more trouble. I do hope it is now sorted.
Hubby is watching the match, I have one eye on it whilst posting. We women can multi task don't you know.
Doc I agree Spain to win :o) mind you I have not won one bet with BT yet :o((
Hi Di
Well so far it looks all Spain. And is BT betting with real money? :-))
Hi Doc
BT betting with real money, I hope not, I would be broke by now Lol..
What are they like over there!!
ROTB
I did not realise Alsabella was back. Good for her if it is true, it was always a good site.
Ole!!!!!!!!Torres!!!!!!
Doc :o)))
Go Spain, great goal Torres.
Sara is not a premature baby and has no special care at all. The only thing the doctors did right away was to measure her sugar levels which were normal. And she has great lungs because she cries louder than any other! :-)
As for the tsunami, it will come. Just after the secrecy ends. And some have tried to prevent it. But we all know that the forces of nature cannot be stopped! :-)
Hi Claudia..
So glad Sara is ok.
The Tsunami bring it on!!
Hi Claudia
I just loved the comment about NICU, where the little ones apparently "receive medical care, including feeding and observation of growth". Oh God, they have no blooming clue at all! :-))))))
2nd half. I'll stick to 2-0.
Hello All
Claudia a good set of lungs is allways a good sign with a baby congratulations to you and your friends (no baby's due this year amongst friends and family 2 last year who are now 1) so enjoy her while she is tiny...
Hello Di hope you are well fingers crossed for Spain to win...
Doc my youngest was a month early and just under 5lbs after a few checks she was placed in my arms and left by my bed no special care needed (and she had a good set of lungs as well.) Amazing that sometimes what you can copy and paste from the net is no where near what actually happends maybe someone should tell Anon xxx
Hi Hope
Exactly. It has to do with foetal maturity, not BW. A baby that has undergone some form of tress in the womb is often more mature than a much bigger one. We discharge babies above 1.8kg nowadays if they have no medical problems.
Hi Hope
Lovely to see you.
When my son was born, easy birth, no pain everything was perfect. He was such a quiet calm child. When I had my daughter, again calm birth but when we got her home did she make up for it :o(
No sleep for weeks and weeks, no peace during the day or night as she continually cried with colic.
I remember the midwife coming one day and she asked my husband if we had any brandy. He said surely you are not suggesting we give our daughter brandy, she said no I think your wife needs to relax more. Wise words..
Españaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
Pay up, BT. Enjoy that meal out Di :-))
Well done Spain :o)))
Hello Di
Wise words indeed... Sorry had to go to lochal shop for bread before the pub kicked out all the footie fans.... Well done Spain indeed (although I have been praying Germany would not score in the last few minutes because selfishly I did not want any extra time LOL) how are you xxx
Doc
Every baby is diffrent exactly xxx
Hi Hope
I am fine thanks, I have not been around for a couple of days, very busy with family events etc.
I have been reading back today, it does seem very quiet, only to be expected I think! Maybe everyone is waiting for the 7th July.
I do hope justice is coming!!
Congratulations, Spain. Well done!
Thank you all for the lovely wishes.
Di
I have been on and off lately there is nothing to say I do hope the 7th brings some information out into the open (isnt that what the McCanns want?) It is just depressing and if some of the childrens charitys and Social Services dont make it very very clear publicly that leaving a 3 year old and 2 year olds home alone is dangerous and wrong I really give up xxx
Hope
I am off shortly but totally agree, there is not much to say at the moment, the same theories going round and round, but sometimes I suppose, someone picks up on something that has not been discussed before.
I suppose it is a case of wait and see.
Off now
Hopefully catch up tomorrow.
Goodnight everyone, sleep well.
ROTB -
Nice to see you - we miss you on here!
Can't help with Alsabella's address though.
Well done Espana!!!!
Having a bit of a celebration here!
See you all tomorrow!
Nx
Doc, already going to sleep. Oh I know, a lot of cleaning to do first in the morning, right? ;-)
Dorme bem.
Ja Claudia I'm bushed. I have to clean Switzerland in the morning. It's not too bad though, I could have drawn the short straw and got Austria.
Tell me, where is the reference to all your alleged extra IDs in the following statement?
"Amazing thing is, that it is the likes of Docrot, Vile and Claws are always accusing other people of having multiple Ids, yet it is them that has been caught out as having multiple IDs, even on the DX they were at it, Doctrot had around 3/4 Arsabliar had about 12 and Vile had around 16 at the last count!"
Good evening!
Congratulations Spain!!!!!
DOC : is it a new game to count multiple edentities?
Which is the prize?
A watermelon will be welcome.
Doc, they're lucky that I only post under my own ID. First of all, I have nothing to hide. Secondly, if they hate me that much and only post as myself, imagine if I had other ID's. To be honest, if I had another ID, I would be spotted in a few minutes for obvious reasons! :-)
Wow, your mop will be exhausted. :-(
Hey, Mandarinn!
Is the weather where you are as hot as in Viseu?
Claudia
Those "ladies" got a huge imagination.... ;)
Claudia
i guess yes, but we have a brise coming from the sea.
Hope baby Sara enjoy hot weather :)))))
I just spoke to my friend and she said that she's ready to go home but the baby isn't. Everything is ok with Sara but she lost weight (which is very common afrer babies are born) and doctors only let babies go home when they start putting on weight. Besides that, Sara did not enjoy this hot weather at all and cried quite a bit.
'Ladies'? You're a generous soul, Mandarinn! :-)
Well Claudia I was quite disappointed to be allocated only 3/4 of an ID. That, given my name of 'Doctrot' would leave me as 'Doctr', more or less. I'm quite upset with the spelling again, but I'll take it.
Mandarinn the McScams are handing out donated free watermelons at their next public bullshit session. Be there early and you may get two. Or more, as the audience should be fairly small.
Goodnight both I'm exhausted.
Claudia,
I love babies very much and as i have a big family i allways have one or more, but now the youngest menber of my family is a 2 yera old girl, she will complete 2 in july.
Doc, they just love to hate you. That's when you know you're doing it right! :-)
Sleep well, Doc. Your mop needs its rest to perform at its best level.
Who doesn't, Mandarinn? They are a blessing. And those who do not understand that don't deserve the air they breathe.
Hiya all
There is currently an eerie silence from Team McCann which is most unusual. No sightings, no Sunday press briefings from Clarence. Do they finally accept just how much trouble they are in?
Although it is quiet at the moment in terms of news there will be no shortage once we hear about the court hearing on 7 July followed by the release of certain documents from the Portuguese file on 14 July. I await with keen interest the developments in the fight that is now being waged between The McCanns and Leicester Police. Only those who can be classed as criminals continuously set their face against the Police. This is what the McCanns have consistently done, in Portugal and UK.
As Claudia says that tsunami is building..
Viv x
Viv, I can't wait to have a big part of the tsunami in my hands. :-) I think that there haven't been any sightings lately because all the 'abductors' must be on vacation...
Hiya Claudia
As you say it is usual for babies to lose some weight following birth. Tiny babies have difficulty regulating their temperature and I am sure little Sara will be best for a few more days in hospital until she gets a little bigger and is able to cope more with the heat.
God Bless to her and Mom x
Viv x
There is currently an eerie silence from Team McCann which is most unusual. No sightings, no Sunday press briefings from Clarence. Do they finally accept just how much trouble they are in?
:-))))))))))))))))))))))
Nite stranger!
Hun
We did not even get to hear any more about Kate and Gerry's vacation, especially for the twins, did we. I wonder if they did go away and if they found a really nice creche /babysitters for the twins to save them the trouble? I bet they promised the social workers they would not even leave the twins alone in the back garden..
Viv x
You're right, Viv. I'm sure that tomorrow I will have some news. Sandra is more than ready to go home but that won't happen until Sara puts on some weight. Another friend of mine gave birth to a baby girl on May 14. Clara was 3,700 kg and 53 cm. And she also lost weight after birth. Only when she gained weight was she allowed to go home. But Sandra is really annoyed at the hospital food! :-)
yeah, the vacation. I had forgotten about that. I hope they don't/didn't rent a villa with a back garden...
Hiya Doc
I have been taking a break whilst a team of workman keep making a mess that I keep clearing up!
I can see that I can rely on you and Claudia to keep people entertained if I am not around:-))))))
There is a natural quiet before the storm, this is nature!
Viv x
Hiya Doc
I have been taking a break whilst a team of workman keep making a mess that I keep clearing up!
I can see that I can rely on you and Claudia to keep people entertained if I am not around:-))))))
There is a natural quiet before the storm, this is nature!
Viv x
Hiya Claudia
My first baby was the tiniest 6lb 3 oz and had jaundice. They kept me and him in for a week after birth and had to keep doing blood tests on him because if the level of jaundice in his blood went any higher he would have needed a transfusion. Fortunately that did not happen and he turned out to be the healthiest of all three of them. When the other two used to have something wrong with them, he used to put a sling on his arm and say his arm was broke because he wanted to be ill too!
At 34 he still likes lots of attention:-))))
Viv x x
Viv, "nite stranger" was not the point ;-)
There is currently an eerie silence from Team McCann which is most unusual. No sightings, no Sunday press briefings from Clarence. Do they finally accept just how much trouble they are in?
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Viv, :-) When I was a kid I was also never sick. You know those typical illnesses that kids get? I had none. Escaped them all. I lived next door to a couple who had four boys. They were 4 years older, 2 years older, one year younger and 2 years younger than me. Needless to say that they compensated for the fact that I was an only child. They had all the kids' illnesses and I hung around them all the time. And I still managed to escape catching them.
Viv and Doc, you both got mail.
Hiya Doc
Thanks for keep repeating what I said, was it that good:-))))))
I think you still lost me!
Viv x
Hiya Hun
That is interesting and exactly how Martin was, chicken pox, measles, whatever he just never caught it. If I tease him now about putting a sling on his arm he says he was practising what he learned at cubs! Well maybe but he was very cute!!
Viv x
Doc, you got mail.
The only time I got sick I was 17 and had a bronchopneumonia.
So you both just wait and then have something serious. Martin was a junior leader in the army and at 17 had glandular fever and had to go in hospital in Germany!
Then he had to have his wisdom teeth taken out, talk about making up for being a healthy child, never having anything wrong. But all my children had to have wisdom teeth surgically removed, like me, jaw too small for them!
Viv x
Well, Viv, I was born in Germany. But never had any problem with the teeth.
Viv, boa noite.
Sleep tight, querida amiga.
I have an early start tomorrow.
Beijinhos.
Boa noite, all.
Good morning all - up early as it's lovely and cool!
Just read the McCann Files and this is the latest:
Sunday Star 29.6.08 (loathsome rag)
Kate and Gerry McCann have been boosted by series of fresh leads in the hunt for missing daughter Madeliene.
They have been told of 'several' potential sightings of the five year old, who vanished without trce while on holiday in Portugal in May 07.
It has led to a 'widening' and deepening' of the private investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.
Last night the families spokesman Clarence Mitchell said Kate and Gerry remain hopeful that 'a breakthrough' is near.
He said that following the documentary at the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance there were a lot of calls which are still being followed up.
These include new information, potential sightings, although he couldn't cannot go into any details.
The privately funded probe into Maddie's disapearance from the families holiday apartment in the Prai de Luz on May 3 2007, has become 'wider and much more sophisticated' according to souces.
M3 the Spanish Agency which took on the investigation is being aided by other agencies around the globe.
In addition, doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, both 40, from Rothley, Leicestershire, hope their status as arguidos, or suspects, will be lifted in the next few weeks.
Police files on the case are due to be shared with Leicester Police next month, which could signal n end to the suspicions which have hung over the couple since last year.
Last night Clarence Mitchell said the McCanns still believe Maddie is alive.
He added "they continue to work on the assumption that M is being held somewhere.
Ther is no evidence she has been hurt or killed"
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Docmac -
If this above story is true, you spoke a bit too soon last night about no sightings recently eh!!!
It should prove interesting to see the next lot if they disclose them all!
The McCanns still insist 'there is no evidence she has been hurt or killed'!!
I think they are either living in a fool's paradise, or know something the rest of us don't!!
Off for breafast now - see you all later!
Morning Nancy
I was just repeating what Viv had said. Should have used quotation marks methinks :-)
A sighting or twenty is quite predictable and probably inevitable right now I suppose.
Have a cool day!
Morning!
Just want to say I'm really happy to know Gonçalo Amaral is leaving the PJ after having lead yesterday ANOTHER successful mission against drug trafficking. Today is his last day in the PJ and I'm sure he also will never be forgotten re maddie.
Gonçalo, if you read this, I want to wish you a happy retirement!
And for those who have commented on his appearance, they should now look at his last picture in the link below...
Gonçalo, thanks for being such a wonderful human being.
http://www.correiodamanha.pt/Noticia.aspx?channelid=00000228-0000-0000-0000-000000000228&contentid=D629FB89-C731-4A5C-A5C9-18821C6318E8
Morning Marga -
And I wish a happy retirement to you Goncalo Amaral - may your book be a huge success and your past efforts for children bring rewards; especially family happiness and good health.
We are still fighting for Justice for Madeleine!
And we all hope the 'big lie' will be seen for just what it is in the near future.
Nx
Hi Docmac -
Have a cool and constructive day yourself too!
Yes, I can't wait to see just where the next lot of sightings take us - there's not a lot more places left in the world I shouldn't think!
Mum21 said...
Good Morning ST...and what a beautiful morning it is too.
I notice docmac has been up to his usual stupidity....picking on Gina this time. What a fool he makes of himself...over and over again!
He has become the cyber jester...and laughed at world wide.
Aw, thanks Mum. I do think that most people are too busy laughing at this to worry about me to be honest.
How's the levitating dog and the two women with identical bodies and thick necks?
Morning all,
Sunday Star 29/06/08
CM says:
'In addition, doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, both 40, from Rothley, Leicestershire, hope their status as arguidos, or suspects, will be lifted in the next few weeks.'
What about the status of Defendants? Are the British public going to be subjected to more claptrap propaganda in the run up to 7th, 14th July and August 08 in the rags he dictates to. Will these rags try to spoonfeed the public with, at their behest they decided this status was appropriate as they will do anything to assist in the search for their missing child. Or Arguidi status removed, dont print a word about Defendant, GMTV et al here we come. We're spinning around. IMO.
Marga,
I wonder what those who comment on Goncalo's appearance actually look like themselves. Mum21 obviously has not looked in a mirror for a long time.
Hi All
Doc
The best part of the video was the date it was posted on Youtube.
ICTOAN
Too right, but how guilty does Kate look? One can just see Cuddle Cat dreading his first wash too. I love the us, we, us, we thing going on that early too. And Gerry needed a SCRIPT for goodness sake!!!
Doc
Interesting recent thread on 3A's speculating that Cuddlecat was used to hide bruising on the wrist.
Docmac -
I've always thought the reason Gerry requires a script is because he knows that if he spoke without one people would realise just how practised his words are.
If you have just lost a child through the terrible circumstances they believe happened, then any grieving father or mother wouldn't need a script to speak - indeed, if they could even speak after such a tragedy! I know I couldn't!
To me Kate and Gerry have always sounded and looked like the clones we hear so much about on the forums these days!
Why else would they need to pay a massive wage to a spokesperson when they could be using that to find their daughter?
Zodiac,
the one they most criticise and perhaps hate is being today on TV in all the news due to his contribution to make Portugal a better and safer place to live in.
His statement in today's news: "I eneterd the PJ with proud and now I leave with the same feeling and a good conscience".
That is all that matters dear friend!
*entered
Marga,
"I entered the PJ with proud and now I leave with the same feeling and a good conscience".
He leaves the PJ with respect from others around the world also.
Ictoan, I saw that thread and did not comment. I don't think it's a bruise myself but could be wrong.
Nancy, exactly!
Docmac
I wonder if many of these things are what people want to see. I've never been any good at analysing photos so have to rely on others to do it for me and in the event of disagreement my prejudices come to the fore. Which takes me back to my first sentence.
Doc mac on a very different point.
In the UK the Birth Weight of a baby is always quoted to and by the parents. When I lived in France it seemed that the height/length of the baby was regarded as an important piece of information. What happens in SA?
Well, it's BW, length and head circumference that are measured worldwide really. The weight seems to be most important to parents discussing their newborns though.
Thank you Docmac
I wondered, because on returning to the UK I asked someone who had recently given birth and she had no idea of the length. Where as in France the parent would tell the world of the lenghth as well as the weight.
It must be a cultural thing.
You're welcome
Here we have a 'clinic card' which contains that information and more and is used to plot subsequent measurements, immunisations and so on. I'm pretty sure that the UK has a similar system going.
Have to be off now. Have a good afternoon.
Afternoon all!
Claudia, is Sandra breast feeding? I only ask as I know that it often difficult for smaller babies to latch-on to the nipple. Not that I am advocating bottle over breast at all, I just feel for Sandra if she has to wait for little Sara to put on weight. I really struggled to feed my first born but I had loads of help from the nurses & got there eventually which was worth all of the effort!! They gave me a pump which was awful & I felt like a cow being milked but I have one piece of advice that really works, if engorged - soak a clean nappy towel in very warm water and lay it over the milk production parts - good old fashioned remedy, works a treat & eases painfull boobs instantly!!
Good luck to Sandra & send her my best wishes. xxx
Well that's enough female anatomical talk I think :-)))) ...bet the pros will have a field day ... we told you Dylan was a hippy. Breastfeeding? Dah! My claim to fame is that I got booted out of McDonalds for feeding one of mine in their 'restaurant'. What was the problem? Everyone else was eating and at least my baby's food had some nutritional value! lol
So the McCanns still insist there is no evidence that Maddie has come to any harm do they? Hmmm... 14/7 should be very intersting indeed!
How is everyone? Well I hope.
BFN xx
Contrary to popular belief, I have not left this forum, I have been shall we say a little tied up fighting off the Super Trolls.
You would not believe the lengths these people have gone to, to try to obtain information about me. Someone actually set themself up on Genesreunited to contact me, asking very odd questions, was on my guard so they only got some of the answers they were looking for. They were trying to get me to register on Facebook too. After this initial contact they have now cancelled their registration on Genes, and have completely disappeared.
The other incident only happened on Saturday, I was telephoned on my home number, they had information that is only available to the Department of Works and Pensions. So work that one out!!!
So ladies and gents, all I can say is beware, be on your guard for people fishing for information!!!
I have obviously touched a raw nerve or have somehow stumbled upon something by accident of huge importance.
I am not taking this one lying down, far from it. What they have done is illegal and they will not get away with it.
Stella, here to stay...
ROTB
If you are out there, just wanted to say thanks for your advice. Didn't know how to thank you on 3A's quietly, and I know you will read it on here.
Stella,
That is shocking. Hope you are keeping well. 7th, 14th July and August 08 look like very interesting times. The spin will continue to try and make the unpleasant, child neglecting parents who are self-appointed Abassadors of missing children look good.
Zodiac, Hi
I hope you are also keeping well..
In the coming weeks I think we will all be gobsmacked with bits of news on this.
I am so ashamed of being British at the moment, I feel like selling up and moving to another country.
Stella
Sorry to hear you have been having problems. I am sure you have taken it futher but if someone has contacted you and used only information available to DWP may I suggest you contact them as there should be a trace of who has accessed your file on their system and if they have used the information in any way that is not what it is intended for have broken the Data Protection Act.
If you break the DPA you are liable for a personal fine of well over 7k and your employers can be fined over 50k so I dont think they will be taking this breach of their system lightly.
It is discusting that this has happend to you and whatever pathetic person has done this deserves to loose their job and face a court case and fine it is so wrong.
All the best to you xxx
Hi Stella,
That's truly awful but I am glad you are a fighter and haven't allowed these twisted people to get you down. Chin up and stay posting :)
Hello Hope, how are you?
xx
H4T, hi and thanks.
That was what I speant all this morning doing. The call is currently being traced and the fraud office are checking the paper trail, so to speak. The really odd thing is when I called the department responsible for that type of call I recieved, they said the telephone number is never witheld from their office, where as the one I got was. I asked to speak to their supervisor and the surname of this person has a rather interesting surname....I cannot say just in case it is a pure coincidence.
I hope all those individuals assisting those criminals get what's coming to them.
Hi Dyl
I am fine I have an e mail for you in my drafts (just noticed it did not send and now my e mail is asking for a password???) will get it to you I am off now see you later xxx
Hope you are ok xxx
Stella
Good for you dont take it and computers will have a fingerprint for every user that has been in your file they should not be allowed to get away with this and if you dont think you are getting anywhere go higher..
They will be able to trace the number of the person who called you even thought they withheld their number.
Got to go speak to you later xxx
Hi Dylan
To be honest I am amazed the lengths some have gone to. Don't ask me how, I think they must have somehow hacked into my computer to get my name, as they knew I was on Genes. I just hope that others don't get duped in this way. Thank god I'm not on Facebook.
Stella,
There was an article in the Independent today about how much info there is about us on the www. Most is things that we publish freely and daily on things like facebook. Currently, there are people who are designing programs that can compile all of our useless 'tat' into one file so that anybody who googles a name gets the whole shabang! Very scary but makes you think before you publish! I have facebook but I got so fed up with all of the pokes and bites that I never visit it anymore. I really should as there's a whole load of messages that I should have replied to and my friends must think I am so rude!
Good luck & I hope they catch the little Gob****e that's been cyber stalking you. xx
Stella and others,
those who have nothing to hide, don't have to shut anyone.When it happens it is synonym for guilt.
Latest news:
Algarve: Gonçalo Amaral leaves the PJ to have " freedom of expression" and to be able to defend himself.The former-coordinator of the Judiciary Policy for the case " Madeleine McCann" , the inspector Gonçalo Amaral, said today to the Lusa that he leaves the PJ mainly to reach " freedom of speech"/ consequently to be able to defend himself.
http://www.lusa.pt/lusaweb/
Dylan
Maybe that's what it is all about, collecting garbage on everyone so that when the Mc's go down, they will take as many people who have given them grief along the way, down with them. Hopefully I have nipped it in the bud early.
Take care, be aware xx
Marga
Goncalo is one man who has really suffered at their hands, I hope he teaches them one very important lesson they will never forget.
Stella,
believe me what was done by the press and co. doesn't affect him anymore. The only thing that matters is justice to be done to an innocent child.
And justice will be done because he will expose all the lies.
And even if the the little one doesn't appear, the world will forever regard the wonderful caring parents as implicated in her disappearance.
I have to retire now, today has been a very long exhausting day and I need to recharge my batteries.
Have a lovely evening Marga xx
Hi everyone!
Stella - Good to see you posting on here again - we've missed you, and ROTB!
About that 'raw nerve'!
Maybe you go too near the truth with your Viking boat theory!!!!
I hope all your aggravation is at an end now.
I'm watching tennis, so see you later!
Nx
Thanks Stella:-)
Have a nice evening too.
Good to read you again!
This is also a special day to me.
I'll read you all tomorrow.
Justice for Maddie and all children victims of adults schemes.
'I am so ashamed of being British at the moment, I feel like selling up and moving to another country.'
Stella I agree with your comment above. Me too. I would love to live in or around Vigo or Canada.
- - - -
'If you break the DPA you are liable for a personal fine of well over 7k and your employers can be fined over 50k so I dont think they will be taking this breach of their system lightly.'
H4T,
All those involved in underhand, intimdating and intrusive dirty tactics, I hope as you say above and more comes their way.
Dylan,
'I hope they catch the little Gob****e that's been cyber stalking you.'
PMSL.
Hi Zodiac,
The word 'gob****e' is a personal favourite of mine reserved for very 'special' people! lol!
I've been away as I actually went to check my facebook. The last time I logged on was May 2007! I can't believe how much 'stuff' I had to respond to but I mailed a very old friend of mine who sent me a message last year and he mailed me back this evening. I have a big fat smile on my face now as I have really missed him since he went back to France. :))) He is one of these men that would make the world's best father & I had a bit of a crush on him for ages until one evening, at a party when I thought things were all going a little too well between us, he confided that he was gay and heartbroken he would never have children. I think i must have cried for hours - for him, and for myself!!
GTG now to cook tea. Be back later.
Marga, hope you enjoy yourself tho not sure what your special occasion is.
xx
Stella, yes, hacking into your computer is likely. I know for a fact that they did it before. But hacking into someone's computer leaves a trail and it is quite easy for the police to find it out. As I said, here we have a special department whose only goal is to investigate cyber crime.
Dylan, yes, Sandra is breast feeding. Up until now it seems to be working ok. :-) Thank you for your lovely wishes!
xxxx
Bunch of wallies said...
Anon 19.04
you are right, they really are as thick as shite and that is becoming patently obvious with each day.
Don't you think it is odd that a friend has a baby with a low birth weight and the neonatal specialist, does not comment on it at all? I mean how odd is that?
Joining us in Boston on the 10th of October? I may just be able to squeeze you into a very tight schedule as my colleagues are bound to be intrigued by your ground-breaking new definition of low birth weight. Do you just mean LBW per se or are you implying that Sara was SGA?
I'm going for the Cadillac bit only, but I'll be sure to see you around. You'll be the one who looks just a tiny bit lost.
Doc, they're just dumb. Sara is small. Period. She is not premature and the doctors haven't commented on her weight at all apart from saying that like all babies she will only be released from hospital when she starts putting on weight. Besides that, she is also short (only 44cm), which makes her weight more understandable. She's got the most adorable little, beautiful fingernails. :-)
Hi Nancy,
Thank you for answering my question. The reason for my question was that I still can't believe that Diane Webster a mother and grandmother can go on with her life "knowing" what happened to Madeleine.
That's why I think that she suspects what happened (maybe it's wishfull thinking to protect myself as a mother).
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About the interview on VTM I have been searching and found this:
Exclusive Interview with the McCanns.
dinsdag 8 juli 2008 - De ouders van Maddie - deel 1
Ik nam haar vaak mee uit om te shoppen en ik hoor haar nog steeds zeggen : "Oh mama, wat een mooi topje. Wat ’n mooie oorbellen, mama." Exclusief voor België zoekt Telefacts Zomer de ouders van Maddie Mc Cann op, in hun huis in Engeland.
Het resultaat is het meest recente, uitgebreide en pakkende interview van de ouders sinds de verdwijning van hun dochter.
Rough Translation:
Part 1.
I took her often to shop with me and I still hear her saying: “Oh Mam, wat a lovely shirt. Wat a nice earrings,mam”. Exclusive for Belgium, Telefact visits…..
……… (read my former post about his interview).
donderdag 10 juli 2008 - De ouders van Maddie - deel 2
"We nemen de draad weer op", zegt Gerry McCann met één been over de fiets om te gaan werken. "We hebben onze twee andere kinderen ook nog die onze liefde verdienen." De ouders van Maddie zijn opvallend open in het interview dat Telefacts Zomer met hen had in hun huis in Engeland. "Hier wenst iemand ons een verschrikkelijk leven toe, omdat we volgens de briefschrijver verschrikkelijke ouders zijn."
In dit tweede deel van het interview gaan de ouders ook dieper in op het onderzoek dat wordt gevoerd naar hun verdwenen dochter.
Part 2.
“We are to get the normal live again” said Gerry McCann while stepping on the bike to go to his work. “We also have our other 2 kids who deserve our love”.
Madiie’s parents are very open …………….. England.(read my former post about this interview).
“Here someone is whishing us all the worst in live because according to the one who wrote this letter we are horrible parents”.
In this second part of the interview the parents will talk more profoundly about the investigation of their missing daughter.
Link:
http://www.tv-visie.be/inhoud/belgie/19juni2008/telefacts-zomer-pakt-weer-uit_23583/
'Telefacts Zomer', vanaf 24 juni op dinsdag en donderdag op vtm.
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Nancy,
I can't receive VTM. (Balen)
So can you(r)(husband) tell us about part 1 next week?
Dylan wanted to be informed also.
Very hot here.
live must be life.
Cláudia,
Congratulations with Sara. Please tell Sandra not to be worried about Sara's weight. I think it's a cultural thing.
I think Docmac said that the weight is very important for the parents when they have their first child.
All my kids were under the curve when they were born. But are doing very fine.
Just a quickie. Will come back later.
The verb "verdienen" in Flemish usually means "to earn", as in "to earn money".
A better verb would have been "behoeven", to need something. "We have 2 other children who NEED our love".
PS my little boy was 6lb 3oz, 4 weeks early and only 45cm long when born. The school doctor has now predicted that he will be well over 6ft tall, like his grandpa, and the only sickness he has ever had in his entire life was when he got chicken pox at age 6. He also plays junior rugby and swims for a team!
Hi all
I will try again, my posts are vanishing as we speak.
Stella
Glad you are back, well done for holding your own over on 3A's, I can't understand how anyone has got hold of your phone number, but then nothing surprises me anymore. I hope you are keeping well.
Hi Rat
Hope you are well. It is great to see your avatar again :o))
ROTB,
Thanks!
"Behoeven" or "Hebben onze liefde/zorg ook nodig" would be better.
A rough translation!
Di,
I have the same problem. I think it has to do with my provider.
Stella/Zodiac
Wherever you go hubby and I will be joining you, we fancy France..
I fear for our children's future in this country.
Stella/Zodiac
OMG sounds like we are stalkers!!!
Hi Atardi
Glad it is not just me :o))
Hi, guys. Thank you for your lovely wishes. Thank you Atardi. Sara, Sandra and Carlos appreciate it. Sandra has followed this case from the beginning and has in fact helped me quite a bit researching.
Today was a good day. Today was the day that Gonçalo Amaral became free. And from today on is the time some should really start fearing him. Now there are no pressures, no diplomacy, no interference to stop him.
Gonçalo, se por acaso ler estas minhas palavras, saiba que lhe agradeço por ter tornado o meu país mais seguro. Saiba que lhe agradeço a coragem e a recusa de subserviência. Saiba que este nosso pequeno país seria muito melhor se os cargos de chefia fossem liderados por pessoas com coluna vertebral, tal como o Gonçalo. E eu sei que sabe. Até breve!
P.S: Sorry for the Portuguese. But those words are for Gonçalo and I thought that Portuguese was the best way. Hope you can all understand it.
Di
If you go to France I recommend Languedoc. The life is laid back as in other Mediteranean areas and the people are friendly. I wish my circumstance were such that I could return there.
Claudia
Are you going to get pole position again?
Yeah!
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