22 Jun 2008

MCCANNS V LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE

UPDATED, 22/4/10, As a lot of people clearly believe the spin that Mitchell put out in the Daily Telegraph report below dated 21 June 2008, that the McCanns made Madeleine a Ward of Court themselves in 2007, I thought I would include the Order that Mrs Justice Hogg wanted making public that actually confirms it was she who made Madeleine a Ward a few months before Clarence spun this lie on 2 April 2008. The McCanns repeatedly misrepresent matters in this way in the press and it is right that the truth should be pointed out, of course they also lost their application to force the police to disclose their file of papers also having to back down and just accept back what they handed to the police in the first place, some 81 pieces of information handed to the police by their solicitors who had not kept copies. The McCanns apparently wanted to get their Spanish detectives to re-investigate what the proper police had already investigated. Yes, this bunch who told us they would have Maddie home for Christmas and were charging £50,000 per month apparently.

I am afraid it also confirms that the repeated claims of Goncalo Amaral that Madeleine is dead, she died in the apartment, were clearly also a matter of spin, presumably to sell his best selling book on the subject. Cashing in on a missing little girl is just horrendous behaviour, no matter which side of the fence it comes from.

IN THE MATTER OF MADELEINE BETH MCCANN

Judgment of Mrs Justice Hogg at the High Court, Family Division, RCJ, London,
7th July 2008, in open court

Madeleine went missing on 3 May 2007 just a few days before her 4th birthday, while she was holidaying with her family in the Algarve in Portugal.

On 17 May 2007 Madeleine’s parents invoked the jurisdiction of this Court under the Inherent Jurisdiction of the Court, and The Child Abduction and Custody Act, and the Hague Convention. They sought various orders and directions aimed at ascertaining the whereabouts and recovery of Madeleine. I became involved with the proceedings shortly afterwards.

On 2 April 2008 Madeleine became a Ward of this Court, and since that date has remained a Ward.

At all times jurisdiction was assumed by the Court because, there being no evidence to the contrary, it is presumed Madeleine is alive.

She is a British Citizen, and like her parents habitually resident here.

The current application was made on 2 April 2008 by the parents seeking disclosure of information and documents from the Chief Constable of Leicestershire to assist them and their own investigations in their search for Madeleine. Such are the complexities of the issues involved other interested parties were invited and joined to the application, and directions given for the hearing today.

The parties have reached an accommodation whereby the Chief Constable will provide to Madeleine’s parents contact details of members of the public who had themselves contacted the parents or their solicitors, and which on receipt were immediately passed to the Chief Constable, together with a brief resume of the information given.

The parents do not wish to pursue other aspects of the application, and save for the draft consent order being approved by this Court wish to withdraw their application and seek leave to do so.

I have no criticism of the parents in making this application. They have behaved responsibly and reasonably throughout.

I have considered the documents provided to this Court by the various parties, and have concluded that the agreement reached by the parties is entirely appropriate, and that the parents should be permitted to withdraw the balance of their application.

I will make the Order by Consent as sought. In particular paragraph 1 of the Order made on the 22 May 2007 shall be varied with the words:

“The terms of this paragraph shall not apply to the Chief Constable of Leicestershire or any other United Kingdom law enforcement agency. And for the avoidance of doubt all the evidence submitted to the Court and the Case Summaries and Skeleton Arguments remain confidential to the Court save that the Chief Constable may use his discretion to disclose his evidence, case summary and skeleton arguments filed in this Court and the Orders of 22 May 2007, 2 April 2008 and this Order. Any other documents and their contents are not to be disclosed to any person or published save in accordance with Orders already made by the Court or further Order of the Court”.

It may be noted that neither of the Parents is present today. I let it be known last week that providing their legal team was fully instructed neither parent need be present, and I would not criticise or bear any ill-feeling towards them if they chose to stay away. It was my decision as they have suffered enough, and I wished to ease their burden.

I know the police authorities and other official law enforcement agencies in this country, in Portugal and elsewhere have striven and will continue to strive to trace Madeleine.

I urge anyone who has any information however small or tenuous to come forward now so that further enquiries can be made.

There is, of course, as least one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine, and where she may be found.

I ponder about that person: whether that person has a heart and can understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been torn and secreted from her parents and siblings whom she loves and felt secure with, and whom no doubt misses and grieves for. Whether that person has a conscience or any feeling of guilt, remorse or even cares about the hurt which has been caused to an innocent little girl: whether that person has a faith and belief, and what explanation or justification that person will give to God.

I entreat that person whoever and wherever you may be to show mercy and compassion, and come forward now to tell us where Madeleine is to be found.

I hope and pray that Madeleine will be found very soon alive and well.

I confirm the Wardship and Madeleine will remain a Ward of Court until further Order of the Court. The case will be reserved to myself subject to my availability.

http://madeleinemccann.org/main/2008/1761/in-the-matter-of-madeleine-beth-mccann/








IN THE MATTER OF MADELEINE BETH MCCANN

Judgment of Mrs Justice Hogg at the High Court, Family Division, RCJ, London,
7th July 2008, in open court

Madeleine went missing on 3 May 2007 just a few days before her 4th birthday, while she was holidaying with her family in the Algarve in Portugal.

On 17 May 2007 Madeleine’s parents invoked the jurisdiction of this Court under the Inherent Jurisdiction of the Court, and The Child Abduction and Custody Act, and the Hague Convention. They sought various orders and directions aimed at ascertaining the whereabouts and recovery of Madeleine. I became involved with the proceedings shortly afterwards.

On 2 April 2008 Madeleine became a Ward of this Court, and since that date has remained a Ward.

At all times jurisdiction was assumed by the Court because, there being no evidence to the contrary, it is presumed Madeleine is alive.

She is a British Citizen, and like her parents habitually resident here.

The current application was made on 2 April 2008 by the parents seeking disclosure of information and documents from the Chief Constable of Leicestershire to assist them and their own investigations in their search for Madeleine. Such are the complexities of the issues involved other interested parties were invited and joined to the application, and directions given for the hearing today.

The parties have reached an accommodation whereby the Chief Constable will provide to Madeleine’s parents contact details of members of the public who had themselves contacted the parents or their solicitors, and which on receipt were immediately passed to the Chief Constable, together with a brief resume of the information given.

The parents do not wish to pursue other aspects of the application, and save for the draft consent order being approved by this Court wish to withdraw their application and seek leave to do so.

I have no criticism of the parents in making this application. They have behaved responsibly and reasonably throughout.

I have considered the documents provided to this Court by the various parties, and have concluded that the agreement reached by the parties is entirely appropriate, and that the parents should be permitted to withdraw the balance of their application.

I will make the Order by Consent as sought. In particular paragraph 1 of the Order made on the 22 May 2007 shall be varied with the words:

“The terms of this paragraph shall not apply to the Chief Constable of Leicestershire or any other United Kingdom law enforcement agency. And for the avoidance of doubt all the evidence submitted to the Court and the Case Summaries and Skeleton Arguments remain confidential to the Court save that the Chief Constable may use his discretion to disclose his evidence, case summary and skeleton arguments filed in this Court and the Orders of 22 May 2007, 2 April 2008 and this Order. Any other documents and their contents are not to be disclosed to any person or published save in accordance with Orders already made by the Court or further Order of the Court”.

It may be noted that neither of the Parents is present today. I let it be known last week that providing their legal team was fully instructed neither parent need be present, and I would not criticise or bear any ill-feeling towards them if they chose to stay away. It was my decision as they have suffered enough, and I wished to ease their burden.

I know the police authorities and other official law enforcement agencies in this country, in Portugal and elsewhere have striven and will continue to strive to trace Madeleine.

I urge anyone who has any information however small or tenuous to come forward now so that further enquiries can be made.

There is, of course, as least one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine, and where she may be found.

I ponder about that person: whether that person has a heart and can understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been torn and secreted from her parents and siblings whom she loves and felt secure with, and whom no doubt misses and grieves for. Whether that person has a conscience or any feeling of guilt, remorse or even cares about the hurt which has been caused to an innocent little girl: whether that person has a faith and belief, and what explanation or justification that person will give to God.

I entreat that person whoever and wherever you may be to show mercy and compassion, and come forward now to tell us where Madeleine is to be found.

I hope and pray that Madeleine will be found very soon alive and well.

I confirm the Wardship and Madeleine will remain a Ward of Court until further Order of the Court. The case will be reserved to myself subject to my availability.

http://madeleinemccann.org/main/2008/1761/in-the-matter-of-madeleine-beth-mccann/





Hi All,

As you know, it has been mysteriously leaked that on 7 July, Kate and Gerry will enter into a legal battle with Leicestershire Police demanding disclosure of police files in relation to "sightings" of Madeleine. It is claimed that the legal advice they received early on was that they should make Madeleine a Ward of the British Court. It is certainly true they were receiving assistance from family lawyers at a very early stage and I have to say it baffled me as to why they would be doing this. Gerry commented at an early stage that it was not their plan to use private investigators but the fund had enabled them to get a lot of lawyers in place, presumably including these family lawyers. It seems to me that when faced with the situation that all three children had been neglected by Kate and Gerry and one had gone missing in Portugal, Leicestershire Social Services may have decided to make the children Wards of Court. Wardship proceedings are rarely used, the procedure that is normally used is for the Local Authority to carry out an investigation under the Children Act and then either place the children on the at risk register or, in more serious cases to apply to the Court for an Emergency Protection Order followed by formal Care Proceedings. However, wardship would be appropriate where the children are out of the jurisdiction, as in this case. This gives the Court the power to make orders as to the care and wellbeing of the children on the basis the court is satisfied they are at risk of serious physical or emotional harm, or both. As we know, Kate and Gerry sought to suggest, via John McCann that the visit from Leicestershire Social Services on their return was "at their behest". Of course, this would not be true, the SSD would be under a statutory duty to investigate matters further as soon as they returned to UK. We also know from Philomena that Kate was "terrified of the twins being taken from her".

This court hearing is just one week prior to the date when Portuguese are due to make their police file available to Kate and Gerry McCann. We know that evidence has been passed on to Leicestershire Police. I wonder if the Portuguese Police are therefore only going to make limited disclosure, perhaps in relation to certain offences where the investigation is now completed. I have always thought that the McCanns offending behaviour extended far beyond 3 May 2007. It has continued with fraudulently encouraging the public to keep giving them money to search for Madeleine. Clearly all the false sightings would achieve the stated aim of Kate and Gerry McCann is seeking to remind the public Madeleine is still missing, Gerry confessed in June 2007 he was extremely worried the media would just forget about this case. Clearly there is no way he was going to allow that to happen. The Portuguese Police, as we know, have been investigating, kidnapping, homicide, abandonment and disposal of corpse, but there are more offences than that.. false sightings and very serious fraud. I believe the McCanns are desperate to know what Leicestershire Police have against them in relation to these matters. I also believe that the McCanns will be prosecuted in the UK in relation to all matters. The police are always loathe to allow suspects to have details of the evidence against them because they can then start manufacturing further false evidence as a defence. I have no doubt that is why Leicester Police will be strenuously opposing the application the McCanns are making. From the article below it would seem the McCanns seriously expect a High Court Judge to order that police hand over part of their files to "Metodo 3". I have a feeling the police will have something to say about this firm. I am sure the police will also point out it is not up to prime suspects to dictate to the police that their investigation is compromised and damaged by handing over evidence against directly to the prime suspects. The McCanns just continue to act like a couple of desperate criminals, but still, the likes of which I have never seen before, truly, leaving so stone unturned.

I have also included an article that was referred on last thread by other posters which is very helpful, where Philomena actually refers to the fact the family will prevent the children becoming wards of court! Whenever children are at risk with their immediate family, SSD generally will try and place the children with other relatives wherever possible, but Philomena seems to confirm in this article the wardship threat was coming from the SSD, certainly not that it emanated from Kate and Gerry themselves.



Madeleine McCann: parents' court bid for information
By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter
Last Updated: 3:08AM BST 21/06/2008
Kate and Gerry McCann are to ask a High Court judge to order the release of police documents which they hope will kick-start the search for their missing daughter Madeleine, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Kate and Gerry McCann are determined to everything necessary to search for their daughter
The McCanns hope their application to Mrs Justice Hogg will result in Leicestershire Police opening their files on scores of reported sightings of Madeleine, most of which have been passed on to them by police in Portugal, where the four-year-old disappeared in May last year.
Until now police in Leicestershire, the McCanns' home county, have refused the couple's requests for information about sightings, saying they are bound by the terms of an agreement with Portuguese police.
But Mr and Mrs McCann, who retain the services of a Spanish-based detective agency, are anxious to make sure that every possible lead has been checked out, which they believe the Portuguese police, whose investigation is gradually being wound down, may not be able to do.
The Telegraph can also disclose that Madeleine was made a ward of court last summer at the request of the McCanns, to empower judges to act in her best interests in any legal dispute such as the case which is about to be heard.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, said: “I can state that on the instigation of Gerry and Kate McCann Madeleine is a ward of the High Court of England and Wales.
“An application has been made on Madeleine’s behalf by her parents for disclosure of certain documents. The hearing is currently scheduled for July 7 in the High Court in London.
“It has been the stated intention of Gerry and Kate McCann to leave no stone unturned in doing everything necessary to search for their daughter, as would any parent.
“This application is just part of their search for Madeleine.”
Madeleine’s status as a ward of court has never been disclosed by her parents, who quietly made a wardship application in the High Court just weeks after she went missing.
The couple’s legal team had advised them to ask for Madeleine to be made a ward of court because wardship status gives the courts certain statutory powers to act on her behalf in legal disputes such as the one which has arisen with Leicestershire police.
They still believe their daughter is alive and hope the police files may contain information which could yet lead to a breakthrough.
The case is listed to be heard in open court on July 7 in the Family Division of the High Court in London, and is expected to be contested by Leicestershire Police, according to legal sources.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said: "Kate and Gerry have always said that they will do whatever is necessary to find Madeleine and that they will leave no stone unturned in their search for their daughter.
"They will take whatever legal steps are necessary if there is information out there that can assist their private investigation into finding Madeleine. Beyond that I cannot make any comment."
Mr Mitchell said the hearing would not involve any attempt by the McCanns to clear their names by proving they were not involved in their daughter's disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. They remain official suspects, or arguidos, in Portugal.
In recent months the couple have become increasingly frustrated at the slow progress of the Portuguese investigation, and they suspect that many possible sightings of Madeleine have not been followed up at all.
If they are given access to the police files on reported sightings, each one will be looked into by private investigators retained by the couple.
For the past year the McCanns have employed Metodo 3, a Barcelona-based detective agency, to carry out an investigation in parallel with the Portuguese police inquiry.
The agency has checked out sightings as far afield as North Africa and South America – all of which have proved to be false – using either its own staff or affiliated firms, which it says it can do far more quickly than the police.
In one instance earlier this year, the agency ruled out a sighting of Madeleine in Chile within three hours of receiving a tip-off, by employing local investigators to track down the girl concerned. The agency argues that police would have taken days to achieve a similar result because they would have been hampered by bureaucracy and official procedure.
Earlier this week Portugal's Attorney General suggested that police files may be opened up at the end of July, but the McCanns fear his comments may prove to be another false dawn.
Their case is being heard in the Family Division because it involves the welfare of a child. Mrs Justice Hogg, a specialist in child welfare cases, is the sister of former cabinet minister Douglas Hogg and the daughter of former Lord Chancellor Lord Hailsham.


Madeleine: Now British police ask if twins are 'at risk'By SAM GREENHILL, DAN NEWLING and NEIL SEARSLast updated at 08:11 11 September 2007
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The McCanns are under investigation from British police and social services to assess whether their twin son and daughter are at risk.
Given the gravity of the allegations facing the McCanns, social services have no choice but to examine any possible risk to young children who have endured four months in the glare of the media spotlight.
The couple awoke yesterday after their first night back in the village of Rothley since they flew home on Sunday without Madeleine.
When they realised, last Thursday, that Mrs McCann was to be made an official suspect in the disappearance of her daughter, they vowed to remain in Portugal to clear her name. However, during 13 hours of interrogation, Portuguese detectives threatened her with the terrible ultimatum of confessing - or losing her twins.
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Gerry McCann opens the door to a policeman yesterday
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Officers said they would charge both her and her husband in connection with the case, and claimed that bail would be denied while they awaited trial.
This would have resulted in the twins perhaps being taken into care by Portuguese social services for at least a year.
Hurriedly, the McCanns arranged to return to Britain - only to find that Leicestershire police were discussing them social workers.
John Coughlan, Joint President of the Association of Directors of Children's Services, explained: "In cases such as this, social workers working for the host authority need to make a sober assessment of the facts in the case.
"At the meeting they would try to establish what they know and what they don't - and would use that to try and determine whether there is any real risk to the children.
"If they decide that there is a risk, they would then consider what they are going to do about it, step by step."
He added: "In most cases, social service workers do not come crashing down the drive and snatch the children. They are much more likely to take a more measured approach."
Technically, if social workers conclude that there is a real risk to the twins, they could move to take the two children away from their 39-year-old parents.
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The family flew back from Portugal on Sunday
In this case, the Leicestershire social workers are unlikely to have a great deal of reliable information about the McCanns' behaviour.
As the Portuguese police force would not hand over information that may be used in a criminal prosecution, the British social workers may therefore decide to carry out an initial interview with the McCanns before taking further action.
Nevertheless, Mr McCann's sister Philomena revealed that the family are preparing for the worst.
She said: "Madeleine's godmother is down at Rothley right now and she is prepared to step into the breach if Gerry and Kate are asked to return to Portugal.
"The family are more than willing to look after the children and they will not become wards of the state here or anywhere else."
Yesterday the McCanns were visited at their large modern home by a police "crime reduction officer" who explained that he gives information about "personal safety".
The visit raised fears that the couple could be targeted by members of the public who believe they are responsible for Madeleine's death.
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The twins' sister, Madeleine, went missing on May 3
Back in Portugal, a police source said phone calls to and from the couple form "a major strand" of the inquiry.
For more than a month, the couple have been under round-the-clock surveillance, with their calls recorded and their e-mails intercepted by the Portuguese police.
Now it is alleged that something said on the phone has added to detectives' conviction that Madeleine died the night she went missing.
The Mail has discovered new details about the conclusions drawn by the British scientists.
Portuguese police believe the crucial forensics supports their case that some terrible harm came to Madeleine in the apartment.
A source in the UK said last night the results of toxicology tests were "significant", indicating that police are focusing on some sort of medication or poison in the apartment.
The McCanns have repeatedly denied accidentally overdosing their daughter on sedatives to help her sleep while they went out to dinner.

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Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, :-)

Di said...

This has been posted by Scotchmist on 3A's, sorry it won't let me copy and paste.

Big brother McCann's are watching..

Waves to Clarry..

http://www.universalmccann.com/index.html?_porousLink=_regionStr*global$_idStr*knowledge___news_radian_6

Di said...

Claudia

Sara..

How beautiful is she!! So petite and hair to die for. Thank you for sharing her with us.

ICTOAN

Thanks for the advice, we have not been there. We have been to Paris and Nice. We have found everyone so friendly.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Di Thanks for trhe 3A's link.

I agree with most of the posters.

Claudia

Is your new avatar Baby Sara?

atardi said...

Jemig Marga,

Lost a post to you.

Very short. Last day today.

Thanks for the news about Gonçalo Amaral. Madeleine will get a voice through his book.

Can you please talk to my oldest one for a while. I'll give you Old Amsterdam as a present;).

Cláudia said...

Di and ICTOAN, yes, that is baby Sara. I visited Sandra today, took some pictures of Sara and asked her if I could share a photo with you. Of course she said yes. :-) She is beautiful. And has got lots of hair, just like her mum. :-)

ratonthebeam said...

Awwwwwww! I want one!


Only joking. It would probably kill me :-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

She's beautiful.

Di said...

Must go now..

Enjoy your evening everyone.

See you all tomorrow.

atardi said...

Cláudia,

What a lovely baby.

ROTB,

My son wanted me to have.

atardi said...

ROTB,

My son wanted me to have 2 babies!

Cláudia said...

I hsve just watched Mr Gonçalo Amaral in our National Tv Sation (RTP)leaving his place of work in Faro, holding hands with his wife and telling the many journalists who were there for his last day of work that he thanks the thousands of people who supported him and that he couldn't answer individually.

Cláudia said...

Rat, ICTOAN, Atardi, yeah, she is beautiful. :-) Godmother speaking, of course! :-)

atardi said...

Gonçalo,

After reading Cláudia's message I want to thank you for all you have done for Madeleine.

I will say it in Spanish to you:

"Que Dios te bendiga".

Cláudia said...

Atardi, Dios lo fará. :-)
God will bless him.

mandarinn said...

Good evening!!
Clautulation for the beautifull godaughter you got.
I saw Gonçalo Amaral on TV news. He look relaxed and from now nothing stop him to tell the wixdeworld all the truth, the only true facts show, as he said.

mandarinn said...

* congratulations

ratonthebeam said...

snr amaral, obrigada. até mesmo se você não receber nenhuma recompensa em terra, você receberá isto em céu.

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, she's an angel. I still haven't held her because she is currently doing what Sandra told me is called phototherapy because of a bit of jaundice (icterícia). She's very calm and only cries when she's hungry. But when she does cry, believe me, everyone knows she's crying! :-)
Gonçalo looked like a free man. Someone who knows that now it's the time. :-)

Cláudia said...

Rat, that was beautiful. And he will be rewarded. Not only for what he did for Madeleine, but also for making my country a safer place and for stopping many drug dealers who would have killed so many young people around the world.

ratonthebeam said...

Lots of new babies need phototherapy. It's nothing to worry about. They get to snooze under a nice sun lamp!!! When you are grown up you have to pay good money for that sort of thing!

Cláudia said...

Rat, Sara's father said exactly the same thing! :-) He said 'isn't a sunbed supposed to be really bad for your health? My daughter is only 2 days old and already lives like a princess. For free!' :-)

mandarinn said...

Claudia, her hair is so cute :))))) but prepare yourself it will fall and another maybe diferent will grow.
I have a nephew who got a similar hair later it fell and another grew also beautiful but not as cute

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, yeah I know. Her hair is like her mother's. Sandra has got long, beautiful, strong brown hair.

nancy said...

Claudia -

What an absolute little doll!!

She's gorgeous!

I expect you will become an expert at babysitting!

Welcome to the world Sara!!

Cláudia said...

Nancy, babysitting? What's that? Why? Sandra has decided to use the McCann method. It's like being in the back garden and well within the bounds of responsible parenting...
Now seriously, yeah, she is gorgeous! :-)

marga said...

According to the Expresso online the investigation of this case has finished.

http://aeiou.expresso.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=ex.stories/356426

Cláudia said...

Marga, did you have questions about that? I can't wait for the secrecy to be lifted. That will mean at least two things:
1 - a certain tsunami will explode.
2 - Investigative journalists will be able to access the files and continue investigating through 'alternative' methods where burocracy and interference don't apply. :-)

marga said...

Cláudia,
no surprise at all.

Sara looks so innocent and calm!
God bless her!

nancy said...

Hi Rat -

So nice to see you - is there no end to your talents - writing in Portuguese too!! We've missed your input! Both yourself and LGC are a mine of information and witicisms!

Hi Atardi -

Unfortuntely we won't be able to help out because we are off to the UK for a month on Friday evening - the fact is we can just about get Spanish and an English speaking radio programme here if we are lucky - we are tucked under mountains where we live and the reception is never very good, so I wouldn't be able to help. Sorry about that Atardi, but I'm sure there are other Dutch speakers on here - Docmac for instance!!

Regarding Diane Webster -

She has given her account of what happened on that night to the PJ's, so I'm sure that will make her feel that she has got if off her conscience now, after her long and I'm sure pressurised silence.

Nx

mandarinn said...

Hi Marga ! Nice to see you :))))

Cláudia said...

Marga, as I've been saying this for a long time, one way or another.
She is all that! :-)

atardi said...

Marga,

I'm negociating like some people have been doing the last year. (Have you read my last post to you?). Do you think an old Amsterdam is good enough?.

Cláudia said...

Sorry for the long post. Interesting reading.
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Where was Charlotte Pennington?

Monday 30 June 2008

The question: 'Where was Charlotte Pennington when Madeleine was reported missing?' would appear to be one of the few questions surrounding the case that can boast a straightforward answer.

In a case that has become characterised by the frustratingly unsatisfactory quotes of unnamed friends and sources, Ms Pennington has afforded us the rare luxury of being able to listen to her own words from her own mouth - at least until the Dispatches documentary 'Searching for Madeleine' was removed from YouTube and Channel 4's own 4oD service.

On that documentary, Ms Pennington recounted the following story: "I was working that night at something called 'Drop-in Creche'. We had one child left and... errm, the mother came in, picked up the child and just mentioned 'Hang on a minute, I've just seen a guy who's run past me, who seemed really distressed and I recognised him as being a guest at Mark Warner, but he was shouting out something like 'Maddie' or 'Abbey' or 'Gabby'."

She then continues: "I went straight to the apartment. I sort of walked in, did a quick scan around and been told 'No, no. She's not here, she's not here'.

"Kate McCann was outside and she was very distressed. She was saying things like 'They've taken her' and 'She's gone' and, you know, 'Where is she? Where is she?'

"She was crying and there were tears down her face and it was absolutely heartbreaking to see."

So, in Ms Pennington's own words, her movements would appear to be crystal clear and unequicocal. End of story.

Yet, in Danny Collins recently released book 'Vanished' a completely different picture is painted. We are used to reading slight variations of stories connected to the case, to the point where double-vision is a regular occurence, but we are less used to somebodies movements being directly and confidently contradicted in print.

So what does Mr Collins say about Ms Pennington's movements and what is the significance of them, if true?

Mr Collins states that rather than being in the communal 'Drop-in creche', Ms Pennington was actually babysitting in a 'nearby apartment' and was brought to the McCanns' apartment by the sound of Kate McCanns' screams from the balcony of apartment 5A.

He claims that Ms Pennington was the first person at the scene and that she told police that Kate 'clutched at her' and 'sobbed in panic as she tried to answer the young childminder's questions'.

Whilst Ms Pennington does indeed describe the frenzied state of Kate McCann, she does not mention the undoubted importance and significance of being the first person to arrive at the scene.

However, if Ms Pennington's own account is true then it would have been impossible for her to have been the first person at the scene as the incident she describes clearly indicates that the alarm had been raised some time before she was made aware of it.

She does state in the Daily Mail article of 25 September 2007 that "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone".

However, that would seem unlikely given the fact that after Kate had reportedly discovered Madeleine missing she would have had to inform the rest of the group by returning to the Tapas bar; allowed time for a further search of the apartment by Gerry and their friends; allowed time to consider what to do; allowed time for Gerry to decide to go out onto the streets and then do it; allowed time for the woman to hear him and later report what she had heard to Pennington and then time for Pennington to ascertain which apartment was involved, gather herself and then actually reach the apartment. It would seem unlikely that that whole process would have taken 'less than five minutes'.

In the same article, Ms Pennington further describes how: "We knew that one of the other nanny's charges was called Maddie. We told the head of department what had happened and she took us straight to the apartment.

"There were no children in the room. The twins had been taken out already, I think by one of the McCanns' friends."

Leaving aside discussion around the distrubing suggestion that the twins were not in the apartment at that time (Where were they and why and how did they return by the time the GNR arrived?), Ms Pennington states that she attended the McCanns apartment with her head of department - yet again clearly suggesting that she wasn't the first person on the scene.

So, who to believe? Ms Pennington herself or the words of a Spanish-based veteran investigative journalist? Faced with such a choice the natural inclination would surely be to side with the individual who was actually there and witnessed it. Yet, the level of detail in Collins text suggests his knowledge extends beyond that of a blindfold, a stick and a piñata.

Mr Collins also has something very significant to say about the occupation of the apartments by the McCanns and the Tapas Seven.

Mr Collins states that the McCanns were in apartment 5A, as we all know, but that Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were next door in apartment 5B. This appears to directly contradict Clarence Mitchell's statement that Rachael Oldfield was next door on the evening that Madeleine is alleged to have been left crying, unattended.

What Mr Mitchell actually said was: "Equally, one of the friends, Rachael Oldfield, was in the apartment next door in a bedroom adjacent to the wall where Madeleine was in her bedroom and she heard no crying at all all night."

The natural assumption from Mr Mitchell's statement is that Rachael Oldfield was 'in the apartment next door' because that was her apartment. After all, what would she be doing in somebody elses bedroom, on her own, whilst all the other members of the holidaying party were out enjoying themselves? All night.

Of course, making assumptions is a dangerous thing to do. But it does seem peculiar that Mr Mitchell has specifically identified Rachael Oldfield - why not simply say that the Oldfield's were next door and heard nothing? If she heard nothing all night, then she must have been there all night. If so, where was her husband?

If Mrs Oldfield was alone, it would suggest she was alone for a reason. After all, we have been told, first hand by Kate, that they were operating a system. She said: "We all knew what we had to do, what we would do and.. you know, it worked as a system we had going and it just seemed totally right somehow".

Could it be that Mrs Oldfield was babysitting? That the 'system' involved one member of the group babysitting all the children? There is, it must be stated, no evidence to suggest this is the case but, at one point, there were curious reports of all the children sharing the McCanns' apartment on the night of 3rd May. But was this true or just another flight of fancy?

Mr Collins states that Mark Warner only rented out the ground floor apartments and that the holidaying group were all based on that floor, contradicting previous reports that the Payne's were located on the floor above. Collins says that the Payne's were 'further down the walkway' and that the Oldfield's were based the furthest away from the McCanns' apartment.

So what significance does this have to the whereabouts of Charlotte Pennington on that evening? Possibly, a great deal.

Mr Collins tells us that Ms Pennington was babysitting in a 'nearby apartment' when she heard the screams of Kate McCann. He tells us that Mark Warner only rented the ground floor apartments and so, therefore, we are compelled to ask: Was Ms Pennington babysitting for one of the Tapas group and, if so, which one?

If we are to believe reports, the Payne's were the only couple to own and use a working baby-monitoring device, so would therefore have had no need of a babysitter. The Oldfield's were the furthest away from the McCanns apartment and it would therefore seem very unlikely that Ms Pennington could have heard the screams of Kate, if she was babysitting inside the Oldfield's apartment.

So, that just leaves the apartment of Tanner and O'Brien, next door to the McCanns, where Kate's screams would have been easily heard.

Yet, if Collins is correct in the statements he has committed to print, then two questions immediately spring to mind: Why was Pennington employed as a babysitter, when the group had a communal checking 'system' that supposedly 'worked'? And if Pennington was babysitting the children of Tanner and O'Brien, then why was Russell O'Brien reportedly absent from the group until just before 10:00pm?

Of course, the possibility that there was another family occupying an apartment in the middle of the Tapas groups apartments must be considered. However, it is very curious that if there were such an apartment, and such a family, then why have they never been identified, mentioned or even remotely hinted at?

The fog that surrounds the mystery continues to show no signs of lifting.


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html

atardi said...

OMG,

I wanted to ask for Dolores.

Where is she. I miss her input. Because you know Dolores I have an aunt............................

Hope you're doing well.

nancy said...

Claudia -

Whenever the McCanns answer the question of leaving the children alone, they always come up with that answer about it just like being in the back garden. They fail to remember the rest of the week when they were out wining and dining too without the children - it wasn't just one night after all!

And not forgetting the tapas lot who left all their childen too, so many children were put at risk on many occasions that week!

It's cooling down now after a really hot day here, so I'm off to get some sleep while I can - I expect I'll be the first one to blog in the morning again!

Good night everyone - enjoy the rest of the evening.

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

Cláudia said...

Nancy, maybe they all own a ranch so their back gardens are just huge! :-)
Sleep tight!

marga said...

Atardi,

I'm afraid I have missed your post to me.
Was it today? Are you talking about a certain cheese??? Sorry:-(

atardi said...

Marga,

Yes. It was about the Old Amsterdam cheese you wanted. Because you were in Maastricht and couldn't buy the cheese you wanted.

marga said...

A friend emailed me this video aabout Amaral leaving the PJ in Faro today.

Although many of you can't understand Portuguese. you will be able to see his relief.

http://ww1.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=352940&headline=98&visual=25&tema=27

marga said...

Atardi,
thanks.
But the one I was looking for was Amesterdamer. Do you think they are both the same? If it is the case, next time I will not forget who explained it to me:You:-)

Cláudia said...

The video is very telling. Gonçalo Amaral looks like a free man finally, sorrounded by the people who love him and wish him well. Nothing can stop him now.

marga said...

Atardi, you said:Jemig Marga,

Lost a post to you.

Very short. Last day today.

Thanks for the news about Gonçalo Amaral. Madeleine will get a voice through his book.

Can you please talk to my oldest one for a while. I'll give you Old Amsterdam as a present;).

Monday, 30 June 2008 20:47:00 o'clock BST

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LOL

Are you referring to the volunteering stuff?
How old is she?
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Mandarinn,
nice to see you too.
Always a pleasure to read you. Muito mesmo.
jocas

atardi said...

Marga

The "mer" thing is an extention in Dutch. It means Amsterdam's cheese.(posisitive). Cheese from Amsterdam.

I hope I'm wrong but we will discuss this after JFM.

atardi said...

Marga,

She is 15 will be 16 over 3 months.

atardi said...

Read you all tomorrow.

marga said...

Atardi,

i think it already good she is involved in sports. As you know it is important they spend their free time on healthy activities not only because of their physical condition but especially to distract them from bad influences.

I'm sure she has the best adviser she can have: her own mother:-)

I also wrote to you about it in one back post.
One thing at the time.

Read you all 2morrow.
Boa noite!

marga said...

To Godmother Cláudia,

time to begin learning how to take care of sweet baby dolls!

Jinhos!

Cláudia said...

Marga, I know quite a bit about it. Younger family members. And growing up sorrounded by babies, also.
Boa noite. Sleep tight.

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia

Have not read back all posts yet but the one you just posted about Nanny Pennington is very interesting. I have not checked back, but going on memory is she not the one who was reported to be a witness for the McCanns and also have left the employ of Martin Warner to land a job in UK for one of the TAPAS? Could this be the OLdfields? Their baby was only one year old at the time and it is quite staggering that anyone would leave a tiny baby alone. Additionally, if any of them could afford to employ a nanny it would seem to be the Oldfields. They live in a £1M property in Kingston near London and so would seem to be doing well financially, unlike the McCanns, whose half a million pound house is mortgage up to the hilt!

Jane Tanner is a marketing executive interestingly enough, I wonder what she has been marketing lately. I do not think it likely that Rachel was babysitting in Tanner and O'Bs apartment 5b, I think Clarence is just a paid liar but it is an interesting lie, what is he seeking to cover up! Having said that one year old babies are easily transportable and can fit into small things to sleep. I remember my mom saying when my sister and I were little and there used to be parties, babies (me) cousins etc, were put to sleep in drawers etc. so that all could be monitored in one room! Perhaps for some, child care does not move on much! My nan and grandad and also my granddad's sister both had very big houses and even as young as 2 or 3 I can remember some big parties but not being put in a drawer!

Cláudia said...

Viv, my friend, yes, I believe that's exactly the one. Interesting article, isn't it?

Cláudia said...

Viv, you got mail.

Unknown said...

Hi Marga

Thanks for the link of the video with press interviewing Goncalo departing his post. I thought he seemed rather sad but as ever a genteel and pleasant man. It is intriguing he was obviously talking about Madeleine, can you tell us what he said?

I would really like to know.
Thanks
Viv

Unknown said...

Oh my goodness Claudia, what a fantastic little avitar you have there. Sara is truly a beautiful little child with a mass of gorgeous hair too!

Viv x

Cláudia said...

:-) She's a little angel.

Gonçalo didn't speak about the case in particular. He spoke about the reasons for his retirement, the lack of institutional support, his future and thanked the thousands of people who have supported him and whom he could not thank individually. It was more or less what I remember he said.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, all.
Had a busy day today and my bed's calling me.

Di said...

Good morning all

Please tell me it is not true that the Police have dropped the case!!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Good Morning Di

The only info I have is what Marga posted last night.

"According to the Expresso online the investigation of this case has finished."

http://aeiou.expresso.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=ex.stor


I can't read Portugese so don't know what the article says.

However Claudia's reaction gave me the idea of the opposite interpretation to yours.

dolores said...

PJ without culprits in Maddie’s case

The investigators finished the Enquiry. The filing is the probable outcome.
2008 JUL 01 - 00h10m
Alexandra Serôdio

The Policia Judiciária (PJ) couldn’t find any guilty parts for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann last May the 3rd. The investigators have already finished the enquiry without reaching a conclusion. The probable outcome will be the “archiving”.

After almost 14 months that Madeleine disappeared from the room where she slept on the Ocean Club resort, in Praia da Luz (Lagos), the investigation declenched by the Judiciary didn’t allow to conclude if it was a kidnapping or a homicide. And it was also admitted that there was no evidence that related the three arguidos – Robert Murat, Kate and Gerry McCann – with the disappearance of the child.

As the JN was able to conclude with sources close to the process, the report from the investigators «only describes the facts that were proved and not proved». This means that it is not conclusive and doesn’t point at any direction – kidnapping, homicide or cadaver occultation.

Sources from the Republic’s General Prosecutor told the JN that, «for the moment, the process will wait for trânsito em julgado (N.T. it means that a certain amount of time must pass by until the timing for an appeal is extinguished) of a decision that the Portimão Criminal Court passed on about a means of proof, the reason why the enquiry in charge of the PJ was not considered as concluded and no report was sent to the Public Ministry». The same source clarified that the «secret of justice will be maintained until mid August of this year».

The JN knows that what is at stake is the decision to validate or not the copies of Kate McCann’s journal, that the PJ analyzed and to which it didn’t give any relevance for the process, that’s why they considered their job concluded.

This situation is criticized by a source close to the process: «The request was made in September last year and too much time has passed». The same source believes that based on this report of the PJ the decision will be the filing of Maddie’s case, which doesn’t mean that the process can’t be re-opened if meanwhile new evidence emerge.

From what was possible to find out, the process sent to the Portimão Court, last week, was returned again to the PJ because the Instruction Judge hasn’t validated the diary yet. Pedro Frias, the judge, didn’t ask any diligence from the investigators.

If the “archiving” is confirmed, as in other cases of missing persons, the police will keep alert to any new data. Maddie’s case may be re-opened if any new evidence or important proof is discovered.

Francisco Pagarete, lawyer of Robert Murat, said, yesterday, to the JN, that he knows nothing about the process. « Since we went to get Murat’s belongings, more than three months ago, we weren’t contacted anymore by the PJ», said the lawyer. About the possible filing of the process, Pagarete reminds that it is a «resolution that can happen with any case», assuring that he doesn’t know «what evidences were found or not».

The lawyer awaits the official document of the filing in order to know in concrete what are the reasons for that decision, in case that will be the one taken by the Portimão Judge. He assures that Murat is “quiet serene”. And he concluded «All the diligences of the PJ were accompanied and so we will know what will be in the files»

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, lawyer of the McCann, also awaits the decision. In case the process is archived, he says that he will study it «from the first to the last page» to do« what the (Maddie) parents always wanted, which is to understand what investigation was done and to keep on looking for the child».

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dolores said...

SKY NEWS

Portuguese detectives have dropped the Madeleine McCann case due to lack of evidence, according to media reports in Portugal.



Judicial police "do not have sufficient evidence to allow formal charges to be brought against the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter," the Correio da Manha newspaper said.

"The police have not found the guilty," echoed the Jornal de Noticias daily.

Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007, days before her fourth birthday, after she was left sleeping in a holiday apartment as her parents Kate and Gerry dined with friends in a nearby tapas bar in the southern Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz.

Her parents were made formal suspects on September 7 last year in one of the many dramatic twists in the case. They insist Madeleine was abducted.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, told Sky News: "As usual, these are non-attributed sources and we have not heard this officially. But if it is true it's not before time - kate and Gerry have suffered enough.

"Police should lift their arguido (suspect) status and should pass their information over to our investigators who continue to work on the case.

"We still need to find Madeleine."

Sky's Crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: "If the police stop treating the Mccanns as suspects the couple would hope that more effort would be put into finding their little girl."

Another Briton, Robert Murat, was also declared a suspect in the case.

The newspaper said the closure of the investigation would be announced in the next few days.

More follows ...

ICantThinkOfAName said...

If this is all true then there will be no Justice for Madeleine.

Di said...

Thanks for the articles Dolores.

There is a big difference between archiving the case and have dropped the case as reported on Sky.

I wonder if this is true their arguido status will be left in place.

dolores said...

Di
Who knows what will happen now,we have to wait and hear it from PJ.
I hope arguido status remains for the next twenty years.

mandarinn said...

Good morning ICTON
With all the obstacles to the investigations and things to ,make proof refused by the judgwe , it will be very dificult to take a co water proof conclusion , to be accepted in court. However, as Claudia said, now the process is open to investigative journalist who hasn't the obstacles PJ had , and, believe me, there will not be a stone unturned as McCans wanted :)))))))

mandarinn said...

Good morning Dolores and DI

Unknown said...

Hello everyone

CNN just reported that the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance is closed and will re-open if new evedence comes to light.

mandarinn said...

I just read the portuguese newspapers. THe case it archieved, it means they don't have proof enought, to go in court, but it can be open in any moment a new proof is finf. It is in this moment that start the investigative journalists work, and those don't accept diplomatic pressure neither dependence from some british obstacles PJ had. OF course british press will continue to manipulate and insult portuguese , but it will make the journalist much more investigative. and... believe they are not stupid at all, as british press paint all of us (portuguese people)
Justice for Madeleine will be done in any way

Unknown said...

Hi Mandarinn

I am really sorry that the Portuguese people had to endure such insults from the British press.

When can the journalists get the documents from the file?

mandarinn said...

Hi Mariana, they will can acccess to it when it come to public domain , in August.

mandarinn said...

Mariana, tks for your comprehension, and excuse me my bad english , it is not my first foreigne language.

Di said...

If the McCanns no longer think they are going to be charged, is there any need for the two court cases.

I have to go now but will look in later.

Unknown said...

Mandarinn

Your welcome love.
I think we will now endure "motion to suppress" dockets from the McCann's to stop newspapers.

Anonymous said...

'"As usual, these are non-attributed sources and we have not heard this officially. But if it is true it's not before time - kate and Gerry have suffered enough.

"Police should lift their arguido (suspect) status and should pass their information over to our investigators who continue to work on the case.'

Hi all,

The statemenet above speaks volumes for me, K & G the poor victims. Would the prime suspects and their lawyers not have been informed if this case was being archived. What about the evidence that is there, a child is missing due to parental neglect. The 7th of July is not far away, is this another smokescreen.

Anonymous said...

An extract from BBC News Channel 01/07/08' @ 10.46am

'Suffered enough'

The McCanns were declared official suspects - "arguidos" in Portuguese legal jargon - last September.

Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell told the BBC the couple did not know yet whether the reports were correct.


McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell gives his reaction
"If they are true, it's to be welcomed that Kate and Gerry are not to face any charges," Mr Mitchell said.

"It's quite right. They are innocent of any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. They have suffered enough in this process.

"And surely the Portuguese authorities, if this is true, must lift their arguido status as a priority."

Mr Mitchell said the family wanted to know whether police now planned to stop searching for Madeleine.

If so, he said, all the information held by the police must be made public so the McCanns could carry on their own hunt.

"What happens to all those leads, all those contacts? There are thousands of pieces of information in those files," he said.

"What we don't want is that information to lie on a shelf somewhere gathering dust."

Mr and Mrs McCann are due to go to the High Court on 7 July to ask a judge to order police files on the disappearance of their daughter to be released.

The BBC's correspondent said the period of judicial secrecy surrounding the case was due to end in August.

Briton Mr Murat lives with his mother in Praia da Luz close to the apartment where Madeleine was last seen. He strongly denies any involvement in her disappearance.

His lawyer said he had heard nothing from the Portuguese authorities about the case being closed.

Full article here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7482799.stm

I will only believe that this case is archived and no charges of neglect are forthcoming when I see and hear a live statement from the PJ. How many times has this been splashed across the newspapers, how many times did we read from R/pops et al this case is closed, being closed, Arguidi status is being dropped, the McCs are going back to PT and the tourist industry is going to suffer. The 7th, 14th July and August 08 are interestings times, I for one am not surprised, I wonder what really is going on.

Stella said...

Good Morning Zodiac

I agree, total baloney, this is there last atempt to discredit the investigation. Pump the media this week with investigation to be shelved, in preparation for reports of charges soon, to make PJ look like idiots. I'm just not buying it.

Cláudia said...

I've been saying for a long time that knowing something and proving it in a courtroom are two very different things. The PJ cannot state the McCanns are innocent or guity of anything. In the absence of strong evidence (which allows a case to go to court and be won), the case has to be shelved at sometime. However, that does not mean the investigation is over. It can be reopened at anytime.
However, I think that interesting times are to come. Once the secrecy is lifted, hundreds of investigative journalists will have access to the files and 'leave no stone unturned'. I'm sure the McCanns will appreciate it. An interesting book wiil soon be released and something tells me it will be a bomb. Furthermore, the files can be passed on to Metodo 3. Once Metodo 3 have access to the files, they will certainly (cough, cough) bring back Madeleine, safe and sound. In fact, that is the only way the pros will win. If Madeleine is returned safe and sound. And if that happens, if Madeleine is returned safe and sound, I will happily lose because that is what the world wishes. Of course I don't believe in miracles. Although it supposedly happened more than 2000 years ago with a chap called Lazarus.

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Rosiepops exposed on 3 A's for what he/she/it really is a must read.


http://www.the3arguidos.net/posting.php?mode=reply&f=1&t=16948

Di said...

There is still hope, this was posted by Coldwater on 3A's

Just a quick thread to try and at least anchor some of you down.

Obviously the McCannophiles are having a field day - let them!!

This is spin and froth and nonsense. We have seen it all before.

We are in a phase where the PJ are 'concluding' their case for the prosecutor - that is all. That is to be achieved this week as I understand it.

Then the prosecutor must decide - and THAT has NOT happened.

Only then would the case be archived, shelved, dropped or continued to charges and prosecution/court.

The process has to be followed and all else is spin until we see an official statement!!

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, can you copy paste? I couldn't access the link.

Joe said...

I never believed it would come to trial. They have had much help and influence in the UK and PT. It was there at the start for all to see and in recent months going to visit the MEP's it was more obvious. It matters no longer IMO, they cared little for their daughter Madeline. In the absence of any other suspect they will have to live with the suspicion by the public and world at large that they were involved and in time this case will fade. I am glad it is almost over and the PJ and PT can put it behind them and get on with their lives and work. The Tapas 9 know what happened and will live with that for better or worse.

They will now possibly go about using the PJ files etc to follow up leads and continue unhindered to look for Madeline, all to promote themselves and create media careers, books,TV, films. It is clearer to me now why the Court date of 7th July, they knew what was coming and want the Police info in advance. Money always talks.

Di said...

I am just listening to Jeremy Vine. It is looking as if their arguidos status could be lifted.

Off out now will look back in later.

Anonymous said...

Claudia Apoplexia exposed as R/pops.

Apoplexia Post subject: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:49 am

Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


IRONSIDE Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:51 am

Your Avatar fits you so well..Just don't pop the corks just yet serpy....

devongirl Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:53 am

I think this post says it all about you!!!

So if you believe the news then you are happy that there is no justice for Maddy?

Have we had the news officially? No this is from a source, you know the ones you dont believe in?

I cannot believe your post,

What a nasty piece of work you are


carlymichelle Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:54 am

I think this post says it all about you!!!

So if you believe the news then you are happy that there is no justice for Maddy?

Have we had the news officially? No this is from a source, you know the ones you dont believe in?

I cannot believe your post,

What a nasty piece of work you are

it shows they dont care about maddie

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MalCat Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:55 am


Do I hear the rustle of hymn-sheets been handed round?


SpinSpinSpin Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:56 am

Is that you Gerry?


KirstyWirsty Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:56 am

He who laughs last last longest

Don't think it will be you Dobywalah .. I mean Apoplexia ...

Justice for Madeleine is coming .. no matter what you hope.

carlymichelle Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:56 am





Is that you Gerry?

probably is

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big_l Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:57 am


YEAH RIGHT HOW MANY PERFECT DAYS HAS MADDIE HAD IN THE LAST YEAR

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libel is a great law until its abused by serial child neglectors

Coldwater Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:57 am


Perfect day for Madeleine?

Your sickness amazes me - get help!!

newperson Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:57 am

so apoplexia today you celebrate a newspaper report with unnamed sources which has been embellished as its been reported

not even one given credence to by clarrie, yet you don't call it faff and lazy journalism (as you did yesterday) this time do you? cos the story is music to your ears?

double standards?

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If you can't be a good example - then you will just have to be a horrible warning

MiceAnMen Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:58 am


How strange Apoplexia, when I read your posts I am often reminded of the tune to 'Whistle while you work', except in your case the lyrics would be 'Cackle while you type'

Just cackle while you work (cackle)
Put on that grin and start right in
to cackle loud and long
Just hum a merry tune (hum)
Just do your best and take a rest
and sing your self a song


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IRONSIDE Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:59 am

BigL wrote:
YEAH RIGHT HOW MANY PERFECT DAYS HAS MADDIE HAD IN THE LAST YEAR
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Good Morning Big L,I would like to introduce you,this is ROSIEPOPS, remember her...?????


MalCat Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:59 am

Come to think of it, the choice of Perfect Day is a bit unfortunate - it's all about heroin - Reed's own habit, obviously.

janz1956 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:00 am

Justice has been done?

really apoplexia

Is this from the PJ then..because I havent actually seen any official statements. Or maybe you know something we dont..come on then , if you do..please spill

and justice for whom exactly?

Justice for the self confirmed child neglectors? Is that all you care about?
or justice for the 3 year old left to babysit her siblings?

Are the so-called parents the only ones you feel for here, because thats how it looks to me

oh and im posting this as a member, not as a mod,
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carlymichelle Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:03 am



it just shows hun all the pro gerry and kate didnt give a S H i T all about little maddie

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xxdelly Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:03 am


Perfect day

Poor Madeleine, no wonder the police have found this case difficult with people like you crawling out the woodwork.

This case is all about Madeleine McCann - remember her?

Perfect day.

Disgusting OP.





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kezwalk Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:04 am


Mafia Boss

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dannybohy Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:05 am


You're Nicked

Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:10 am
Posts: 200 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


Wow! what a nasty little tur d you are?. You think a perfect day is the possibilty
that 2 child neglectors are cleared?.





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analogy Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:07 am


Local Lag


Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:03 pm
Posts: 961 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


You think the parents are guilty then? and you want them to get away with it.

If you thought a little girl was out there in the hands of an abductor you would be very upset that the case was being closed before the child and the culprits were found.

What an odd person you are.





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margaret Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:08 am


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Location: 'The Pink Crusader' What a nasty piece of work you are, famous all over the internet for being vile.

You must have a really empty and sad life.

A Perfect Day for showing yourself up

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eggtimer Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:08 am


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perrito Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:09 am


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Location: España Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo



How wonderful Apoplexia, so you are saying that God despised little Madeleine so much he ensured she was got rid of without any trace of having ever existed, her short life was of no consequence, but this same God who put that little child in the care of people who neglected her and let her down so badly thinks so highly of these neglectful parents they must be without blame and rewarded with money? That is some God you seem to worship!

Well my mother always told me that God doesn´t pay back with money. However it is at least good to know your stance and that you approve of tiny children being neglected.

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big_l Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:11 am


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Location: brigadoon scotland IRONSIDE wrote:
big_l wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo
YEAH RIGHT HOW MANY PERFECT DAYS HAS MADDIE HAD IN THE LAST YEAR




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bonnybraes1 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:13 am


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Posts: 4058 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


You should perhaps have made a better choise of song. Lou is, in fact singing about the day-improving effects of heroin.
God certainly didn't have much to do with Lou's Day. Are you, perhaps, suffering from some similar halluncination?

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sans_souci Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:14 am


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Posts: 1197 To chip in for a moment if I may, I think it is far too early to predict what will happen on this - a tabloid is a tabloid whatever language it is in.

If the news is true then it is an extremely sad day for Madeleine, for her siblings, her parents and her extended family. There are absolutely NO winners in this.

I do not think there is anything to celebrate, apoplexia. Nothing. Not a happy day for anyone.

but before "respected posters" here are too hard on her consider that she is maybe just the counterbalance to the less savoury end of the "anti" brigade who have spent months dissecting this case for every gory detail and relishing every piece of evidence of the McCanns alledged crimes, and gloating over photographs.

Virtually everything in life has its extremists.





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Coldwater Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:15 am


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carlymichelle Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:16 am


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Location: tasmania australia Coldwater wrote:
To ALL - Apopelxia is now receiving what she craves!!!

true attention we should all ignore it

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Roasted Arizona Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:16 am


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Posts: 5 'Perfect day'....isn' t that what madeleine was supposed to have said? You know, on the day she was killed?





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janz1956 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:16 am


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Posts: 993 think you may just have chosen the wrong song there

perhaps you should read the words, especially the last verse.

just in case you dont know them....here you go

Lou Reed
Transformer (1972)
Perfect Day

Just a perfect day,
Drink Sangria in the park,
And then later, when it gets dark,
We go home.
Just a perfect day,
Feed animals in the zoo
Then later, a movie, too,
And then home.

Oh it's such a perfect day,
I'm glad I spent it with you.
Oh such a perfect day,
You just keep me hanging on,
You just keep me hanging on.

Just a perfect day,
Problems all left alone,
Weekenders on our own.
It's such fun.
Just a perfect day,
You made me forget myself.
I thought I was someone else,
Someone good.

Oh it's such a perfect day,
I'm glad I spent it with you.
Oh such a perfect day,
You just keep me hanging on,
You just keep me hanging on.

You're going to reap just what you sow,
You're going to reap just what you sow,
You're going to reap just what you sow,
You're going to reap just what you sow...

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Apoplexia Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:18 am


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Posts: 306 bonnybraes1 wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


You should perhaps have made a better choise of song. Lou is, in fact singing about the day-improving effects of heroin.
God certainly didn't have much to do with Lou's Day. Are you, perhaps, suffering from some similar halluncination?


God didn't design heroin then? I suppose you think that was the 'devil's' work?

By the way, those of you accusing me of being Rosiepops or whoever - I'm not. The only other username I've had is Vixiana, over on the mirror forums.

And no, I'm not happy that whoever took Madeleine will not be punished, but I think it's been evident for a long time that the PJ have no interest in looking for her or her abductors. I'm just glad all the lies told about the parents are finally being exposed as that - lies.

100% DNA match? Spinal fluids? Bodily fluids? Masses of hair? Sedative syringe? - - all lies.

Maybe the private detectives will have more luck.





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Sally Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:18 am


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Posts: 9 Apoplexia= Meaning stroke, The rapidly developing loss of brain functions, due to a disturbance in the blood vessels supplying blood to the brain.........

the username suits this op well, dont ya think guy's??





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carlymichelle Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:19 am


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Location: tasmania australia i remmeber Vixiana, she and rhodes 03 were like twins and Vixiana was banned from here was she not?

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Apoplexia Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:20 am


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Posts: 306 carlymichelle wrote:
i remmeber Vixiana, she and rhodes 03 were like twins and Vixiana was banned from here was she not?


Nope. Unless someone else used that username.





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fcm Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:22 am


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Posts: 18 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


A little girl died an unnatural death over a year ago, noone has, and noone ever will be held accountable for that.That brings me no joy.





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magnalady Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:22 am


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annamay Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:23 am


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Posts: 37 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


what a strange God you have

You have reminded me why i have nothing to do with him .





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Apoplexia Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:27 am


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Posts: 306 fcm wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


A little girl died an unnatural death over a year ago, noone has, and noone ever will be held accountable for that.That brings me no joy.


We must be grateful for small mercies. What happened to Madeline was a tragedy, but there were people in Portugal and in the UK willing to destroy a whole family just because they didn't like a few things Kate and Gerry said at a time of immense personal trauma. Every blink of an eyelash was analyzed and construed to interpret guilt; the most disgusting suggestions were made about what they might have done to their daughter; people were literally baying for their blood.

Now those people are having to deal with facts for the first time in months, and the facts don't support the disgusting 'theories' that have been doing the rounds. The case against the McCanns is being exposed for what it is - that is justice, for them, at least.





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devongirl Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:30 am


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Posts: 118 Apoplexia wrote:
fcm wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


A little girl died an unnatural death over a year ago, noone has, and noone ever will be held accountable for that.That brings me no joy.


We must be grateful for small mercies. What happened to Madeline was a tragedy, but there were people in Portugal and in the UK willing to destroy a whole family just because they didn't like a few things Kate and Gerry said at a time of immense personal trauma. Every blink of an eyelash was analyzed and construed to interpret guilt; the most disgusting suggestions were made about what they might have done to their daughter; people were literally baying for their blood.

Now those people are having to deal with facts for the first time in months, and the facts don't support the disgusting 'theories' that have been doing the rounds. The case against the McCanns is being exposed for what it is - that is justice, for them, at least.




You are a nasty piece of work, read 21 steps thread and then carry on gloating!





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Skeptical Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:32 am


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Posts: 177 sans_souci wrote:
To chip in for a moment if I may, I think it is far too early to predict what will happen on this - a tabloid is a tabloid whatever language it is in.

If the news is true then it is an extremely sad day for Madeleine, for her siblings, her parents and her extended family. There are absolutely NO winners in this.

I do not think there is anything to celebrate, apoplexia. Nothing. Not a happy day for anyone.

but before "respected posters" here are too hard on her consider that she is maybe just the counterbalance to the less savoury end of the "anti" brigade who have spent months dissecting this case for every gory detail and relishing every piece of evidence of the McCanns alledged crimes, and gloating over photographs.

Virtually everything in life has its extremists.



Sadly so.
But to say today is a Perfect Day because of an unsubstantiated press report about the case being shelved, is extremely
insensitive and insulting to Madeleine's memory.
The child requires Justice, and not the form of justice that the OP is trilling so happily about.
A very sad individual that.





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newperson Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:33 am


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Posts: 4716 Apoplexia wrote:
fcm wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


A little girl died an unnatural death over a year ago, noone has, and noone ever will be held accountable for that.That brings me no joy.


We must be grateful for small mercies. What happened to Madeline was a tragedy, but there were people in Portugal and in the UK willing to destroy a whole family just because they didn't like a few things Kate and Gerry said at a time of immense personal trauma. Every blink of an eyelash was analyzed and construed to interpret guilt; the most disgusting suggestions were made about what they might have done to their daughter; people were literally baying for their blood.

Now those people are having to deal with facts for the first time in months, and the facts don't support the disgusting 'theories' that have been doing the rounds. The case against the McCanns is being exposed for what it is - that is justice, for them, at least.


you mean like gerry saying the situation maddie finds herself in? said situation is one which the parents put her in - they have admitted publically (finally) that they gave someone the opportunity to abduct her - instead of going on and on about being responsible parents and saying we played no part
their actions were destructive for their family
wasn't anyone on a forum who left the mccann kids alone

you might say they are paying enough for their mistake - well yes, if you believe that nothing more foul than neglect was afoot

the PJ publically stated they think theres a possibility she is dead and they spent a year gathering information and evidence - do you really think all those fat files contain absolutely nothing

and yes as you say - justice for them!!

reminds me of gerry saying outside the church - we hope for the best possible outcome for us.............and for madeleine

was madeleine not part of the family? why add her name after
oh never mind

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MiceAnMen Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:34 am


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Posts: 307 Apoplexia wrote:
fcm wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


A little girl died an unnatural death over a year ago, noone has, and noone ever will be held accountable for that.That brings me no joy.


We must be grateful for small mercies. What happened to Madeline was a tragedy, but there were people in Portugal and in the UK willing to destroy a whole family just because they didn't like a few things Kate and Gerry said at a time of immense personal trauma. Every blink of an eyelash was analyzed and construed to interpret guilt; the most disgusting suggestions were made about what they might have done to their daughter; people were literally baying for their blood.

Now those people are having to deal with facts for the first time in months, and the facts don't support the disgusting 'theories' that have been doing the rounds.The case against the McCanns is being exposed for what it is - that is justice, for them, at least.

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HugoORigo Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:48 am


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Posts: 12 Don't often post but can't let this pass. I fail to see how anyone could consider this to be a perfect day. Surely that would have to be the day when Madeleine was found alive and unharmed. Sadly, that day will never come imho.

I have often wondered why someone would choose 'Vixiana' as their alias, in view of this West Country legend.

http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/vixiana_the_witch_of_vixen_tor.htm

Between Princetown and Tavistock stands a fabulous rock pile, some call it 'The Sphinx of Dartmoor' most call it Vixen tor. It has been a place of reverence since the 'Men of Bronze' built their ancient tombs in the shadow of its towering granite mass. But the tor hides a dark and sinister past because many, many years ago an old witch called 'Vixiana' lived in a cave at the foot of the tor. Some moorfolk say their grandparents told them the old witch had the cave hewn out of the granite by creatures from Hades itself. Either way this was where she lived, deep in the granite bowels of 'The Sphinx'.

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Dove Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:50 am


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Posts: 388 IRONSIDE wrote:
Your Avatar fits you so well..Just don't pop the corks just yet serpy....

I agree with Coldwater, it's not over until the fat lady sings, it could be that she's just getting ready to do that, but it's the words of the song that will be VERY interesting.

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dannybohy Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:51 am


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mrsbyrne Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:53 am


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Posts: 9 Apoplexia is right about one thing, folks. You are all now going to have to deal with real facts for this first time since this whole sorry business began. No more rumour and conjecture, no more often hilarious analyzing of facial ticks inevitably pointing to the guilt of the McCann’s, no more forum myths The other problem you may have to face is the possibility that a whole slew of people may be even as we speak considering multiple libel actions. Can you stand over your posts?





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JillyComeLately Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:53 am


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Posts: 4454 dannybohy wrote:
Should this thread not be deleted by now?.


Nah, I say leave it up, it shows what a nasty b*****d apoplexia is X(

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MiceAnMen Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:55 am


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Posts: 307 HugoORigo wrote:
Don't often post but can't let this pass. I fail to see how anyone could consider this to be a perfect day. Surely that would have to be the day when Madeleine was found alive and unharmed. Sadly, that day will never come imho.

I have often wondered why someone would choose 'Vixiana' as their alias, in view of this West Country legend.

http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/vixiana_the_witch_of_vixen_tor.htm

Between Princetown and Tavistock stands a fabulous rock pile, some call it 'The Sphinx of Dartmoor' most call it Vixen tor. It has been a place of reverence since the 'Men of Bronze' built their ancient tombs in the shadow of its towering granite mass. But the tor hides a dark and sinister past because many, many years ago an old witch called 'Vixiana' lived in a cave at the foot of the tor. Some moorfolk say their grandparents told them the old witch had the cave hewn out of the granite by creatures from Hades itself. Either way this was where she lived, deep in the granite bowels of 'The Sphinx'.

Regards, Hugo

How fitting for Apoplexia!

Thank you





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bonnybraes1 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:57 am


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Posts: 4062 dannybohy wrote:
Should this thread not be deleted by now?.


oh, no, I personally finding it fascinating to see the hand-wringing, faux-concern and rejoicing from those who have their own agenda, yet are still incapable, after all these months, of understanding Portuguese law.





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Tony_Q Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:59 am


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Posts: 157 mrsbyrne wrote:
Apoplexia is right about one thing, folks. You are all now going to have to deal with real facts for this first time since this whole sorry business began. No more rumour and conjecture, no more often hilarious analyzing of facial ticks inevitably pointing to the guilt of the McCann’s, no more forum myths The other problem you may have to face is the possibility that a whole slew of people may be even as we speak considering multiple libel actions. Can you stand over your posts?

I'd love them to sue me.

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coral Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:00 am


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Location: Scotland Apoplexia wrote:
[. I'm just glad all the lies told about the parents are finally being exposed as that - lies.

100% DNA match? Spinal fluids? Bodily fluids? Masses of hair? Sedative syringe? - - all lies.

Maybe the private detectives will have more luck.




Have they been exposed as lies then? If so where?? Based on the claims by some Portugese media?? Is that what you are refering to?? The same media that people like you dont believe when it suits them? Whats different now?





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newperson Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:01 am


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Posts: 4716 mrsbyrne wrote:
Apoplexia is right about one thing, folks. You are all now going to have to deal with real facts for this first time since this whole sorry business began. No more rumour and conjecture, no more often hilarious analyzing of facial ticks inevitably pointing to the guilt of the McCann’s, no more forum myths The other problem you may have to face is the possibility that a whole slew of people may be even as we speak considering multiple libel actions. Can you stand over your posts?


theres the small problem about the best dogs in the world picking up death all over the place
maybe you should face up to that fact and realise that, as the police have said, they believe she is dead, an abductor couldn't have killed her mrsB - its totally impossible

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MsMarbles Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:07 am


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Location: ESSEX Don't let Apopy get to you. They revel in seeing if they can get to forum members. They don't seem to care about Madeleine, they never have, they only seem to revel in the fact that K & G might get off with leaving their 3 under school age children to babysit themselves in a holiday apartment of an evening, which the act of could have led to one of the children going missing. Or Apopy would not find such delight in all this.

I have had Apopy on my foe list for a while so I don't have to read their premature gloating of how little missing Madeleine McCann might not get justice. Sadly I can't stop the quotes of their posts, unless you lot stop quoting Apopy of course :D

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Payge Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:08 am


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Posts: 816 mrsbyrne wrote:
Apoplexia is right about one thing, folks. You are all now going to have to deal with real facts for this first time since this whole sorry business began. No more rumour and conjecture, no more often hilarious analyzing of facial ticks inevitably pointing to the guilt of the McCann’s, no more forum myths The other problem you may have to face is the possibility that a whole slew of people may be even as we speak considering multiple libel actions. Can you stand over your posts?


Aw, shove it up your ass - there's been hundreds of paid trolls like you on here constantly threatening the members with intimidation and legal action . And for someone named Mrs Byrne, you speak and write astonishingly like a MALE. So how much an hour do you get paid for this, Mick or Tom or John ??????





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dannybohy Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:08 am


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Posts: 200 mrsbyrne wrote:
Apoplexia is right about one thing, folks. You are all now going to have to deal with real facts for this first time since this whole sorry business began. No more rumour and conjecture, no more often hilarious analyzing of facial ticks inevitably pointing to the guilt of the McCann’s, no more forum myths The other problem you may have to face is the possibility that a whole slew of people may be even as we speak considering multiple libel actions. Can you stand over your posts?


LMAO!!


Im shaking in my little moon boots!





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HugoORigo Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:11 am


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Posts: 12 Another apt snippet from the legend of Vixiana/Apoplexia.

'Before long people realised that this stretch of the trans-moor track was best avoided and they would then take a longer but safer detour to avoid Vixen tor. It was only the odd 'visitor' who would fall into Vixiana's lethal trap. This annoyed her immensely as her evil and sadistic pastime was no longer providing any sport.'





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dunitburger Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:13 am


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Posts: 57 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


You make me puke!

I'd love to kick your teeth down your smug throat. Arseh*le.

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JillyComeLately Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:15 am


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mrsbyrne Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:16 am


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Posts: 9 By” you speak and write astonishingly like a MALE” I presume you mean having a good grasp of the English language and showing some intelligence? Sorry to disappoint but I’m not a man. And as I’ve already stated, absolutely nothing to do with the McCann’s. Sorry if you felt a little intimidated by the forbidden word (l-b-l), I’m sure you’ve nothing to worry about.





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Lilith Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:18 am


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Sad Git Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:20 am


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Location: In front of the PC Thank you apoplexia for confirming once and for all that you did not give a toss about discovering Madeleine's fate. Normally the mod team would delete such a goading, pointless OP but on this occasion I'm glad it will be left so that everyone can no longer be in any doubt about you and every other "Pro"'s motives.

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Mazzerkhan Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:20 am


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Posts: 43 Apo, Not only are you nasty you also don't appear to be the brightest spark..nothing has actually happened and if you read the reports you'll notice that its (ONCE AGAIN) the pink avenger saying that the status should/may be lifted..how mant times have the Clarrie announced that their status is about to change?? can you count that high?

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Zeppo Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:21 am


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The 1st of July......who would have thought.





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Payge Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:23 am


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Posts: 816 mrsbyrne wrote:
By” you speak and write astonishingly like a MALE” I presume you mean having a good grasp of the English language and showing some intelligence? Sorry to disappoint but I’m not a man. And as I’ve already stated, absolutely nothing to do with the McCann’s. Sorry if you felt a little intimidated by the forbidden word (l-b-l), I’m sure you’ve nothing to worry about.



No, but carry on and YOU might - Attempts at Intimidation is also a crime, no matter how feeble they may be, or didn't you know that?





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almostgothic Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:24 am


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Location: Mizar-5 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


Perfect day?

Perfect day for the lonely little corpse still lying who-knows-where? Still unavenged? Does that make you crow and giggle?

You are a sick sadist. Go get help.


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bonnybraes1 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:28 am


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Posts: 4063 Anyone just sit through Clarrie on Sky?
Then perhaps one of the McPologists could explain why he was so thouroughly unhappy - not at all what might have been expected from him on what some seem to think is a great day for his employers.
Of course, he did have to point out this came from a SOURCE, which is probably why he knew even less about it than our members.





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Mairy Hinge Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:31 am


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Location: any world that i'm welcome to almostgothic wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


Perfect day?

Perfect day for the lonely little corpse still lying who-knows-where? Still unavenged? Does that make you crow and giggle?

You are a sick sadist. Go get help.



Hear hear.
Thanks Sad Git for letting this stay open so everyone can see OP's true colours

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Dove Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:32 am


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Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


Perfect day?

Perfect day for the lonely little corpse still lying who-knows-where? Still unavenged? Does that make you crow and giggle?

You are a sick sadist. Go get help.


almostgothic
These people aren't worried about Madeleine and never were, those remarks show that as far as they're concerned as long as the parents aren't blamed, we can all just forget about Madeleine who at the very least deserves a proper burial and SOME justice.

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traveller Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:34 am


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Apoplexia Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:37 am


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Posts: 306 Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point (probably intentionally, since most of you have spent months interpreting other people's words and actions in line with your own prejudices).

The awful truth is, Madeline is probably dead. We've all known that for over a year now. As much as we might like to think otherwise, if we are honest with ourselves, we know that what ever happened to her, she is not still going to be alive. So why bother with sympathy - she has moved on and her fate now lies in some other plane of existence (if you believe in that kind of thing).

It is those that are living in this world that are in need of sympathy. Those that have been persecuted, defamed, ridiculed and accused of the most atrocious act - the killing of their own child.

It is Kate and Gerry (and the twins) who deserve sympathy. They are the ones suffering now, and they are the ones to whom justice is owed. And it appears that justice is now forthcoming.





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MiceAnMen Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:39 am


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Posts: 307 mrsbyrne wrote:
By” you speak and write astonishingly like a MALE” I presume you mean having a good grasp of the English language and showing some intelligence? Sorry to disappoint but I’m not a man. And as I’ve already stated, absolutely nothing to do with the McCann’s. Sorry if you felt a little intimidated by the forbidden word (l-b-l), I’m sure you’ve nothing to worry about.








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IRONSIDE Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:39 am


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Location: SPAIN [quote="Apoplexia"]Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point (probably intentionally, since most of you have spent months interpreting other people's words and actions in line with your own prejudices).

The awful truth is, Madeline is probably dead. We've all known that for over a year now. As much as we might like to think otherwise, if we are honest with ourselves, we know that what ever happened to her, she is not still going to be alive. So why bother with sympathy - she has moved on and her fate now lies in some other plane of existence (if you believe in that kind of thing).

It is those that are living in this world that are in need of sympathy. Those that have been persecuted, defamed, ridiculed and accused of the most atrocious act - the killing of their own child.

It is Kate and Gerry (and the twins) who deserve sympathy. They are the ones suffering now, and they are the ones to whom justice is owed. And it appears that justice is now forthcoming.[



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IRONSIDE Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:41 am


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Location: SPAIN Apoplexia wrote:
Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point (probably intentionally, since most of you have spent months interpreting other people's words and actions in line with your own prejudices).

The awful truth is, Madeline is probably dead. We've all known that for over a year now. As much as we might like to think otherwise, if we are honest with ourselves, we know that what ever happened to her, she is not still going to be alive. So why bother with sympathy - she has moved on and her fate now lies in some other plane of existence (if you believe in that kind of thing).

It is those that are living in this world that are in need of sympathy. Those that have been persecuted, defamed, ridiculed and accused of the most atrocious act - the killing of their own child.

It is Kate and Gerry (and the twins) who deserve sympathy. They are the ones suffering now, and they are the ones to whom justice is owed. And it appears that justice is now forthcoming.




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I also notice how you place the CHILD NEGLECTORS before the twins....a family trait it would seem...





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janz1956 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:44 am


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Posts: 993 Apoplexia wrote:
Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point (probably intentionally, since most of you have spent months interpreting other people's words and actions in line with your own prejudices).

The awful truth is, Madeline is probably dead. We've all known that for over a year now. As much as we might like to think otherwise, if we are honest with ourselves, we know that what ever happened to her, she is not still going to be alive. So why bother with sympathy - she has moved on and her fate now lies in some other plane of existence (if you believe in that kind of thing).

It is those that are living in this world that are in need of sympathy. Those that have been persecuted, defamed, ridiculed and accused of the most atrocious act - the killing of their own child.

It is Kate and Gerry (and the twins) who deserve sympathy. They are the ones suffering now, and they are the ones to whom justice is owed. And it appears that justice is now forthcoming.



what a shame you cant spell her name. MADELEINE....oh but then she was never your priority was she.

mind you ..her father always had the same problem

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Tony_Q Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:44 am


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Posts: 157 Apoplexia wrote:
Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point (probably intentionally, since most of you have spent months interpreting other people's words and actions in line with your own prejudices).

The awful truth is, Madeline is probably dead. We've all known that for over a year now. As much as we might like to think otherwise, if we are honest with ourselves, we know that what ever happened to her, she is not still going to be alive. So why bother with sympathy - she has moved on and her fate now lies in some other plane of existence (if you believe in that kind of thing).

It is those that are living in this world that are in need of sympathy. Those that have been persecuted, defamed, ridiculed and accused of the most atrocious act - the killing of their own child.

It is Kate and Gerry (and the twins) who deserve sympathy. They are the ones suffering now, and they are the ones to whom justice is owed. And it appears that justice is now forthcoming.


Possibly the most telling insight into the workings of a warped brain that I have ever seen.

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granofeleven Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:45 am


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Posts: 76 Dove wrote:
almostgothic wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


Perfect day?

Perfect day for the lonely little corpse still lying who-k nows-where? Still unavenged? Does that make you crow and giggle?

You are a sick sadist. Go get help.


almostgothic
These people aren't worried about Madeleine and never were, those remarks show that as far as they're concerned as long as the parents aren't blamed, we can all just forget about Madeleine who at the very least deserves a proper burial and SOME justice.



couldn't have said it any better meself.

this is all spin, spin, spin, exactly what was expected with the court case this week.

has there been an offical statement from pj? no.


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Neos Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:45 am


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Posts: 3 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


I hope you dont have children if you think its good that parents like them are cleared of neglecting children!





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Mairy Hinge Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:47 am


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Location: any world that i'm welcome to Quote (Apoplexia): 'why bother with sympathy'.
Quite! As Gerry said 'boring'. As Kate said 'old ground'.
Such similar mindsets... very intriguing.

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ChaosX Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:48 am


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Posts: 441 mrsbyrne wrote:
Apoplexia is right about one thing, folks. You are all now going to have to deal with real facts for this first time since this whole sorry business began. No more rumour and conjecture, no more often hilarious analyzing of facial ticks inevitably pointing to the guilt of the McCann’s, no more forum myths The other problem you may have to face is the possibility that a whole slew of people may be even as we speak considering multiple libel actions. Can you stand over your posts?


If you are an openminded person this is a huge step forward.
It must say something about innocence and so on.
Remember, Murat is also about to be released if the papers is right. Then we will see if he will write in this forum!





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zodiac Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:48 am


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Rosiepops you and your alter egos are so obvious. You have chosen the right song given all the speculation about the parental likes. You are a fool. I have copied this thread link to your favourite blog owners site. Everyone should be aware of what a pathetic buffoon you are.

Wonder if today is A perfect Day for little missing Madeleine. The 3 year old child left with her 2 year old twin siblings unsupervised in a holiday flat whilst her parents wined and dined on the eveining of 3/5/07 100mts away (approx) with their friends.





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BishopBrennan2 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:49 am


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Posts: 181 Apoplexia wrote:
Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.



What a truly sick individual you are. You have shown your true colours today, and you should be utterly ashamed.





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tabs Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:50 am


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Posts: 663 Apoplexia wrote:
Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point (probably intentionally, since most of you have spent months interpreting other people's words and actions in line with your own prejudices).

The awful truth is, Madeline is probably dead. We've all known that for over a year now. As much as we might like to think otherwise, if we are honest with ourselves, we know that what ever happened to her, she is not still going to be alive. So why bother with sympathy - she has moved on and her fate now lies in some other plane of existence (if you believe in that kind of thing).

It is those that are living in this world that are in need of sympathy. Those that have been persecuted, defamed, ridiculed and accused of the most atrocious act - the killing of their own child.

It is Kate and Gerry (and the twins) who deserve sympathy. They are the ones suffering now, and they are the ones to whom justice is owed. And it appears that justice is now forthcoming.


how the hell could not finding where your daughter is or being able to give her a decent burial be justice?????

any true supporter of justice would be a sad as the rest of us in finding that is seems there will be no closure to this - no matter which way the sword fell

If K & G were guilty of being involved i wanted them to pay - if they were innocent I would want the person responsible to pay

either way i want her found ( or indeed her remains which is more probable at this point) and i want her to be laid to rest properly

this outcome is good for no-one - not the McCanns, not Madeleine, not the twins

how anybody could find the fact that no-one would be punished for whatever happened to her a cause for celebration is beyond me

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Tutti Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:59 am


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Posts: 478 whatever the outcome of this mess there's one thing for sure... Kate & Gerry..when you are alone with your thoughts and when the time comes, on your death beds.. you alone must face what really happened on your holiday to the algarve.... If your innocent then so be it.. but it is you that will have to live with what you have done (Neglect at the very least) and it is you (Not us here at 3A's) That will have that burden with you forever.
No matter what opinions or theories that are expressed here.. none of it would exist if you had taken proper care of your children... the consequences of this are yours and yours alone.
Remind yourselves of that next time you are enraged by a comment or a leak or whatever.. you started the whole thing.
and if as your faith tells you to believe there is a heaven you will have to face your daughter and your god, knowing what you did!
I myself have a clear conscience.... what about you?

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newperson Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:01 am


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Posts: 4717 Apoplexia wrote:
Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point (probably intentionally, since most of you have spent months interpreting other people's words and actions in line with your own prejudices).

The awful truth is, Madeline is probably dead. We've all known that for over a year now. As much as we might like to think otherwise, if we are honest with ourselves, we know that what ever happened to her, she is not still going to be alive. So why bother with sympathy - she has moved on and her fate now lies in some other plane of existence (if you believe in that kind of thing).

It is those that are living in this world that are in need of sympathy. Those that have been persecuted, defamed, ridiculed and accused of the most atrocious act - the killing of their own child.

It is Kate and Gerry (and the twins) who deserve sympathy. They are the ones suffering now, and they are the ones to whom justice is owed. And it appears that justice is now forthcoming.


you really do not make sense

if madeleine is dead, and there is no way possible an abductor killed her, then who do you think was the culprit - definitely NOT? the mccanns? theyre the ones with death scent all over the place

why cant you envision the possibility she had an accident in the presence of her parents who had to cover it up

as for only those in this world deserve sympathy - words fail me

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BishopBrennan2 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:08 am


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Posts: 181 Apoplexia wrote:
Those of you squealing about my lack of sympathy for Madeline are missing the point. ... It is Kate and Gerry... who deserve sympathy.


It's way too late for that. You have described the day when Madeleine's killer goes free as "a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God". There is no way back from that, and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. A quite despicable post. Breathtaking in its insensitivity.





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Tutti Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:15 am


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whatever the outcome of this mess there's one thing for sure... Kate & Gerry..when you are alone with your thoughts and when the time comes, on your death beds.. you alone must face what really happened on your holiday to the algarve.... If your innocent then so be it.. but it is you that will have to live with what you have done (Neglect at the very least) and it is you (Not us here at 3A's) That will have that burden with you forever.
No matter what opinions or theories that are expressed here.. none of it would exist if you had taken proper care of your children... the consequences of this are yours and yours alone.
Remind yourselves of that next time you are enraged by a comment or a leak or whatever.. you started the whole thing.
and if as your faith tells you to believe there is a heaven you will have to face your daughter and your god, knowing what you did!
I myself have a clear conscience.... what about you?


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Cody Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:19 am


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Location: Germany BishopBrennan2 wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.



What a truly sick individual you are. You have shown your true colours today, and you should be utterly ashamed.


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Tutti Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:22 am


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Posts: 478 Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


A disgusting song about heroin by a disgusting heroin addict!

Saw the underground at Glastonbury many moons ago... what a pompous prick lou reed really is!

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wolfecho Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:23 am


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Posts: 99 apoplexia- oh how i wish it was you and not poor madeleine - you are hellbound for supporting the mccanns dispicable parenting

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mrsbyrne Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:26 am


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Posts: 9 No, but carry on and YOU might - Attempts at Intimidation is also a crime, no matter how feeble they may be, or didn't you know that?

what language in my post do you find intimidating? i'm afraid your paranoia speaks volumes about you.





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bonnybraes1 Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:29 am


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Posts: 4063 Tutti wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


A disgusting song about heroin by a disgusting heroin addict!

Saw the underground at Glastonbury many moons ago... what a pompous prick lou reed really is!

Indeed, Tutti, but if others wish to make comparisons between today's non-news and Mr Reed's memories of happy times when stoned out of his few braincells, who are we to stop them?





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donny Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:33 am


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devongirl wrote:
Apoplexia wrote:
Today, I am reminded of this lovely song by Mr Reed.

Today is indeed a day so perfect it could have been designed personally by God.

The chorus has me roused. Justice has been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CwKaV4HVo


I think this post says it all about you!!!

So if you believe the news then you are happy that there is no justice for Maddy?

Have we had the news officially? No this is from a source, you know the ones you dont believe in?

I cannot believe your post,

What a nasty piece of work you are

it shows they dont care about maddie


Bashing the Mccanns would mean to care about Maddie?You people need a reality check.





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wolfecho Post subject: Re: Perfect DayPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:33 am


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Anonymous said...

BBFN all,

Just because a case is archived does not mean that the suspects are no longer suspects. I will continue to say:

What about the neglect of 3 little children aged 3 and under left without adult supervision whilst their Doctor parents made a concious descision to wine and dine over 100mts (approx) away with their friends and as result one vanished.

nancy said...

Hi Joe and everyone!

Not good news, but at the end of the day, we antis and the majority of the public, all know that the McCanns and their tapas pals are as guilty as hell of abandoning their children while they went out wining and dining at tapas bars - they will have to live with the knowledge that people think they are scum bags for the rest of their lives.

They will make even more money once they lose their arguidos status and can say whatever they want, but money won't hide the fact that their little girl went missing because of their utter selfishness and stupidity. I hope they never forget that while they are travelling the world making money out of their missing daughter!

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Zodiac. If Viv finds it too long she will delete it. My deleting days were over when this blog became troll free, my friend.
The perfect day would be when Madeleine was returned home, safe and sound. Metodo 3 will have that chance very soon, when the secrecy ends. Personally, I don't believe in ressurection.

Joe, a lot is still going to happen. Let's just wait for a certain book...

Cláudia said...

Off to do some shopping. Finally the weather has cooled down a bit! :-)
See you later.

atardi said...

Hi everyone,

Sky news is reporting that the Madeleine Case has not been dropped.

atardi said...

Portuguese detectives are not dropping the Madeleine McCann case due to lack of evidence, the country's Attorney General has said.
Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann: Missing since May last year

Media reports suggested the investigation into the British girl's disappearance was being discontinued because of lack of evidence.

But in a statement the Portuguese Attorney General, Fernando Pinto Monteiro, denied this.

The statement said that police had handed over their final report but that officials had made no decision on whether to halt the investigation.

Two Portuguese newspapers said the Public Prosecutor's office intended to call off their search for the girl before July 14, when the customary official secrecy period covering the investigation ends.

Police could re-open the case if new evidence emerges, the papers said.

Both papers - Correio da Manha and Jornal de Noticias - cited unidentified police sources.

Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007, days before her fourth birthday.

She had been left sleeping in a holiday apartment as her parents Kate and Gerry dined with friends in a nearby tapas bar in the resort of Praia da Luz in southern Portugal.

Her parents were made formal suspects on September 7 last year in one of the many dramatic twists in the case. They insist Madeleine was abducted.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, told Sky News: "As usual, these are non-attributed sources and we have not heard this officially. But if it is true it's not before time - Kate and Gerry have suffered enough.

"Police should lift their arguido (suspect) status and should pass their information over to our investigators who continue to work on the case.

"We still need to find Madeleine."

Sky News' crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: "Don't expect any confirmation from the Portuguese police any time soon - but it does signal that they are coming to the end of the investigation.

"If the police stop treating the McCanns as suspects the couple would hope that more effort would be put into finding their little girl."

Another Briton, Robert Murat, was also declared a suspect in the case.

Portuguese journalist Rui Pinto de Almeida told Sky News: "This is a formal legal requirement in Portugal and there remains the possibility of re-opening the case."

The Expresso newspaper says on its website that, according to a police source, the report on the investigation has not reached any conclusions and does not say whether it is a case of abduction, homicide, or concealing of a body.

Another source told the newspaper: "In normal circumstances, with this sort of
a report, the decision would have to be to shelve it in the hope of getting better evidence in the future."

The final report is to go the Ministerio Publico in Portimao, where a decision will be taken in the coming days, according to the newspaper.

atardi said...

Link:

Case has not been dropped

nancy said...

Hello Atardi -

Thanks for that link - all just hype it seems at the moment then!!

To be quite honest, if they decide to bring no charges yet it won't make the McCanns or their tapas pals innocent = we all know that; in fact they may be at a disadvantage if it doesn't get to Court because then none of them, and certainly not the McCanns, will ever be declared innocent of all charges!!

Also I should think that the UK authorities could still charge all of them with child abandonment - the Social Services could bring that case I'm sure, because they know they all left their children alone with no babysitters for hours on end.

atardi said...

Hi Nancy,

Let's wait and see how this media manipulation will develop.

I find it very strange that every paper is reporting that the case will be dropped. Don't they check their sources?

You are right. No matter what happens, the ones who left their kids alone to go out are responsible.

Joe said...

Nancy/atardi,

The case will be shelved,its not official yet but its just the prosecutors office posturing now as they have had their lines pinched by the papers. Its only a matter of official announcement. You are both absolutely right it will not be a declaration of the McCanns innocence, and the PJ do not appear to be looking or have any other suspects, if anything the release of the PJ files will throw up more questions and facts, and the Tapas 9 may have to fight a rearguard action for a long time.( will we be bombarded with new sightings and various new bundlemen mark 2, 3, 4 etc)

Without a body it was always going to be a virtually impossible case to bring to court. IMO it is the wisest and logical decision of the PJ/ and the Prosecutors office. If the McCanns and their associates are happy not to co-operate fully with finding their own daughter and helping solve the case then it is they who are to blame for the failure of the case. The PJ are to be commended and having the courage to call it day ( so much for GM saying they were being fitted up). Let the McCanns now search and waste their own money for a change and look for Madeline, as they have a top class agency that looks into fraud.

mandarinn said...

I'm looking forwords for 7 July and see what that Lady Judge, sister of a former minister, decide .

marga said...

IMO the Mc Canns could only have reasons to be happy with the case to be shelved if it will be perfectly clear that they have no involvement at all in their daughter's disappeareance; But if the case is to be shelved due to impossibility to prove their involvement, then they will be considered suspects forever.These are the two possible scenarios regarding the news advanced by Expresso.
However, things are still being evaluated and analysed by the MP and officially there is no confirmation at all.

GA is going to be on Portuguese TV in a live programme this evening at 9pm.

What makes me really sad in this saga is the way Maddie is being forgotten.The fact is that she is still missing and this case has turned into a war with many battles where money, time, dirty tricks and mental sanity have been wasted and IMO all the parts were defeated because the main goal (which was to find maddie alive or death so that she could rest in peace) was not achieved.
Therefore, there is no reason for joy.No reason to celebrate.

marga said...

Mandarinn,
P Cristôvão is now on RPTN!

marga said...

They are asking the question: " Should Madeleine case be shelved?"

nancy said...

Joe -

I just saw Mr Pink on video running the PJ's down as usual - as if it's their fault that the parents left their children alone and Madeleine went missing. It's absolutely disgraceful after all the hard work the PJ's and the people of PdeL have put in, which is a lot more than the parents have ever done - all they did was high tail it back to the UK when they thought their goose was cooked. Now CM is saying he hopes the PJ's are not going to give up looking for Madeleine - like the parents did does he mean?

marga said...

Re TV programme:
A whole nation is asking for the case NOT TO BE SHELVED.

In the part of the disappearance of Maddie this case cannot be shelved.

atardi said...

Joe/Nancy,

From the Daily Mail.

Murat doesn't want case to be dropped.

What a man. This is what G&K should have said.

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Suspect Murat 'doesn't want investigation to end' until Madeleine McCann is found

By Nicola Boden
Last updated at 5:38 PM on 01st July 2008



Official Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat today insisted he didn't want the investigation into the disappearance of the missing toddler closed.

If the investigation is closed, Mr Murat will no longer be a suspect, but he said ultimately he wanted Madeleine to be found.

As reports today claim Portuguese police are preparing to close their case and end the investigation, he can look forward to being cleared along with her parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

The 34-year-old ex-pat became an 'arguido' on May 14, just 11 days after the three-year-old vanished from a holiday apartment near his home in Praia da Luz.

He has always protested his innocence and before his arrest even helped the police investigation by offering up his services as a translator.
Robert Murat

Relief: Robert Murat is set to be cleared as Portuguese police prepare to close their file on Madeleine McCann's disappearance without ruling on her fate

In a statement, Mr Murat said: 'I don't want investigation to end...

'I want Madeleine McCann found as much as anyone.'

After more than a year living under the cloud of suspicion, it is perhaps no surprise that his lawyer today remained cautious about claims the investigation was over.

Francisco Pagarete also insisted that he and his client would only be satisfied if it was made clear he was not involved, rather than the authorities declaring they were dropping the case because of a lack of evidence.


More...



He said: 'It depends on the way it's going to be dropped - if it's going to be dropped because there's not enough evidence connecting my client to this case or if it's going to be dropped because Robert hasn't got any involvement in this case.

'Only the second way will make us happy. Of course this is what we want to happen. Robert had nothing to do with this from the beginning and that's what we want to be written.'

Mr Pagarete added: 'This is one of two endings for this story. Since the beginning I've always said that I was not imagining any other ending for my client than one where the suspicions were dropped.

'First of all let's wait and see what's going to be written in the dispatch from the public prosecutor. After I have seen that I can make other comments.'

Mr Murat himself, was 'calm', his lawyer added.

Madeleine McCann

Tragedy: Madeleine, then 3, disappeared during a family holiday to Portugal

Madeleine, then three, disappeared on May 3 as her parents ate at a nearby restaurant with friends. Despite regular checks, she vanished sometime around 10pm.

The investigation quickly focused on Mr Murat, an anglo-Portuguese property consultant, after witnesses claimed they had seen him near the apartment complex.

But he insisted he was at home with his mother, and despite being named an official suspect on May 14, no charges were ever brought.

Police eventually started focusing on the McCanns themselves, and both were also named 'arguidos' in September. They too strenuously deny any involvement.

After months of little progress, it is now claimed the judge overseeing the investigation has decided to archive the inquiry without ruling on Madeleine's fate.

Mr Murat is expected to be cleared of any crime, although he and the McCanns might have to wait until September 15 when the judicial secrecy surrounding the case is due to be lifted for official confirmation.

Under Portuguese law, someone can remain an official suspect without charge for as long as the investigation is continuing.

Steps leading to the McCanns apartment in the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz

Search: The toddler vanished from this apartment in Praia da Luz, which is around 150 yards from Mr Murat's home, as her parents had dinner nearby

The British ex-pat, who has a daughter Sofia who lives with her mother in Britain, was initially questioned by police after a journalist tipped off the police.

He had become known to reporters after helped officers with translation work during the initial search to find Madeleine.

His house around 150 yards from the apartment where the toddler had been sleeping, which he shares with his mother, was searched.

Forensic tests were also carried out on his car and his friends and associates questioned.

For five months, Mr Murat remained the only official suspect in the case but in September the investigation took an astonishing twist when the McCanns became arguidos.

As police focused their efforts on the couple, he slipped from the public eye and there were signs police no longer considered him a serious suspect.

In March, officers returned items of clothing and computers seized from his home on May 19.

And in April, he was granted permission to return to the UK for the first time to visit his daughter.

nancy said...

Hi Atardi -

Obviously Robert Murat would prefer the case to go on and Madeleine found because if the PJ's archive it then he will always be looked on as a prime suspect along with the McCanns. His Solicitor is right in saying he wants him cleared completely so no cloud of suspicion hangs over him. Let's face it with that hanging over his head it could affect him for the rest of his life, for instance becoming unemployable, so I hope for his sake the case goes on.

As for the McCanns, I can hardly bear to contemplate how happy they will be if the arguido status is lifted, because they are a couple who seem to me not to give a damn what anyone thinks of them - they are both as hard as nails in my opinion. They just want to be able to get on with their new book and an epic film and continue their celebrity lifestyle and make as much money as they can from the whole thing. Gerry won't lose his lucrative job and even if he does they'll have enough money to last the rest of their lives, and some!!

If they were really innocent they would not be so determined in trying to find out what's going on in police files because they would know there could be nothing which would incriminate them. Just why are they so determined to get all the details the police have if they are completely innocent of Madeleine's disappearance - apart from them being the cause of her disappearance of course!

Di said...

Good evening everyone

I cannot keep up with this case today. Every report I see or hear contradicts the one before.

I am now listening to BBC News and the report from Portugal says there is no proof Madeleine has died. What about the dogs?? or was that not true. I just do not know what to believe anymore.

Joe said...

Nancy,

Well said. Has the Pink clown not worked it out they PJ are not looking for anybody else. Also has he and the clan have no regard for the PJ why would he/they want them looking for Madeline, in reality its just to tryu to get the PJ to admit she is possibly alive. Thick and then there is the pink clown.

mandarinn said...

Hi Marga!
Is the program with G.A. at 9pm in RTP!?

hope4truth said...

Hello DI (and all)

I believe that the McCann's Neglected their children night after night and have made excuse after excuse about it. CM has spun that they are good parents and did not neglect their children as all British parents do this.

IMHO if they can lie and spin about the gross neglect that they want to belive is the reason a passing piece of scum took their child (and seem happy she may be with a peadophile ring) then they can lie about anything.

There is nearly 2 million pounds of reward money up for grabs and absoloutly nothing. They marketed her eye as it was too good not to (even thought it would have cost her life as made her worthless as no one would want to be caught with her)but what a ploy and the money came in (just put it in a brown envelope as CM said send us your money..

They or at least Kate refused to answer questions? Now can any parent think of a single question they would refuse to answer if their child were missing???? No return to PDL for a reconstruction as they did not think it would be a good idea (sorry suspects dont usually get a choice) and hey it may well have shown something and found her (would any parent not grasp at any straw in the hope of finding their child if they were missing???)

I dont care what happends to them but I would like to see the list of questions that Kate refused to answer and all the other contradictions in their statements and also all the DNA and other evidence (if it is real)...

Devout Catholics as they are they will one day answer to God and he cant be bought and maybe they can explaine why thier children were not as impotant to them as their friends and why they have gone out of the way to spin the case in their favor.

Bless Little Madeleine and all neglected and miss treated children they come first Kate and Gerry will just have to live with each other and try and convince themselve that they are good parents when the world can see that they are not.

Di said...

I notice on an earlier post..


Someone can remain an official suspect without charge for as long as the investigation is continuing.

Could this be why we are now seeing all these reports, the case being dropped etc., could this be Clarries spin to try to get the arguido status lifted before the 14th July!!

Cláudia said...

Manndarinn, interviewd on RTP1, at 9, in "30 Minutos".

Di said...

Hi Hope

Well said..

Let's hope Kate & Gerry can live with the guilt of neglecting Madeleine, personally I don't think so. They will never be able to walk down the street without fingers pointing and as we have all said before, what about when the twins start asking questions!!

If the case is going to be shelved and their arguido status is lifted, they will not get any peace, but more importantly, neither will Madeleine rest in peace..

Di said...

Mandarinn & Claudia

Do keep us posted.

Cláudia said...

Di, always! :-)

Di said...

Just looking on 3A's and this post said it all for me.

Posted by Scotbot

I'm giving up

...ON NOTHING



Because to do so would be to give up on justice for Madeleine, and that is not an option.

Her so-called parents might have been so inclined to give up on her when they left PT after insisting they'd never come back to the UK without her, but I for one will not give up on her till all hope of her killers being brought to justice is spent.

They gave up on her when they ate out without her and her brother and sister.

They gave up on her when they jaunted round Europe seeking the blessings of holy men.

They gave up on her when they scarperd PT as soon as the PJ started to close in on them.

They gave up on her when they refused to go back to PT despite saying they would previously.

They gave up on her when they evaded the awkwardness of the proposed reconstruction just so that their sham of a timeline wouldn't be exposed.

But we will never give up, because we're fighting for justice for her, not to save our own hides.

We owe it to Madeleine to fight this to the bitter end.

mandarinn said...

Claudia, thank you :)))

nancy said...

Joe -

It's now being reported on tv that the case has not been shelved and that there is ongoing work by the justicia going on. Let's hope that proves to be right!

In the meantime, CM is loving every minute of his moments of fame on television today - you can almost see the glee in his face whilst at the same time making excuses for Kate and Gerry over and over again, how they've suffered etc.

What really annoys me is the people interviewing him, and no doubt later on the McCanns, won't ask any searching questions that you and I would - they just seem to want to believe everything they are told! I wish some reporter with some guts would put them through their paces. We need a Judge Judy - she wouldn't let them lead everyone up the garden path!

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, you're welcome.
Di, that post is great. I would like to underline the dignity of Robert Murat by saying he does not want the case to be shelved. Once again, we get more respect for Madeleine from a complete stranger than from her parents. Murat should be the first one to want this case over and done to see his arguido status lifted and to get back to his life because let's not forget it's not his daughter who is missing. When you have the arguido Robert Murat making such a statement it becomes even clearer the kind of parents Madeleine was unfortunate to have.

Di said...

Nancy

Let CM have his moment of glory it hopefully won't last.

Do you know if it is true that the McCann's are actually on holiday at the moment??

Read it on 3A's it was apparently reported on BBC News 24..

nancy said...

Hello Hope -

Can you believe the cheek of the McCanns and CM running down the PJ's all the time while Metodo 3 have been paid hundreds and thousands of pounds to look for Madeleine and haven't come up with even a whiff of evidence as to where she is. They don't say anything about that, or stop paying them for absolutely zilch!!

The £2M reward money is just sitting there and will be forever and a day because if Maddie had been kidnapped for money then whoever took her would have been in touch on one of the numbers given out and left Madeleine somewhere to capture that reward - so that reward will stay in the M Fund in my opinion and help to feather the McCann's nest!

Just how can those parents sleep at night and carry on as if nothing has happened to Madeleine and believing she is still alive. If that was my child and I didn't know who she was with I would be in a mental hospital by now!

Wizard said...

Good Evening All,

The last photograph of Madeleine said by Gerry to have been taken at 2.30pm on 3rd May was, according to the Mc’Mail, taken a couple of days before she disappeared. Well………

atardi said...

Nancy,

Well said.


They don't care what people think as long as the public will be convinced they don't have anything to do with Madeleine's dissapearance.

So the public will buy their book,toys,shirts,etc.

Disgusting.

mandarinn said...

Nancy
I understand your feelings very well. If it was some child of my family quite down and wouldn't had strength for everuthing they are done , and allways carefully dressed, make up and hair done....
About the intervews you are looking , i think they chooase prevoiusly the people and the questions. It is why they only had dificult questions abroad, if i remnber, first it was in germany.

Di said...

Nancy you and me both.

At this stage in the investigation, with court cases pending, I would certainly not be on holiday, if the report is true.

Going back to Robert Murat, yes, he has remained quiet and dignified. Personally, I think this could be because of his PR Max Clifford. When the time is right there will be a story to be told but not for now, and who could blame Robert if he is totally innocent.

Twists, turns and spin..What next??

mandarinn said...

Sorry for the typing mistakes i did

Di said...

Hi Mandarinn

I saw your earlier post excusing your English..

Trust me Mandarinn, I understand what you are saying more than some of the kids I meet today :o))

Di said...

Wizard..

The last photo FANCY THAT!!

Perhaps we should offer our services to Kate & Gerry, we would do better than Met 3 LOL

Di said...

Wizard

I still think that last photo was not taken during their holiday. Madeleine IMO looks much younger.

Cláudia said...

I just heard on Portuguese news that Robert Murat is thinking of sueing some of the witnesses in this case, especially the McCann friends who placed him where he never was, according to him and his lawyer...

hope4truth said...

Di and Nancy

Sorry having PC problems!!!!

Can you imagine the guilt if your child was taken on the way home from school (when they are old enough to walk from Senior School) would still like to pick them up but cant ruin their street cred!!!

God forbid anything happend to them on the way to or from school I would never forgive myself for not putting my foot down and insisting on wrapping them in cotton wool and would spend the rest of my life full of guilt and thinking what if...

Kate and Gerry bugger off for dinner with friends and limply say they wish they had been with her when she was taken which is just bloody stupid as if they had been where they should have been she would not be missing (which makes me think she is not) well not abducted at any rate...

M3 waste of money and the worst scum on earth would have shopped his best friend if he thought he would get a couple of million in reward money...

The truth will out if not in this life then in their next.

Di said...

Claudia

Who can blame him, if he is totally innocent, what a dreadful situation he has been placed in.

I dread the next few months, are we going to see law suit after law suit. Then again if we get to the truth so be it.

More importantly, let us all remember Madeleine a child virtually forgotten.

Di said...

Hi Hope

PC problems you and me both. My internet connection keeps disconnecting, no reason as far as I am aware.

I have always found Kate and Gerry's comment "we wish we had been there when she was taken" such a lame excuse. If they had been there, in their words, she would not have been taken.

I agree M3 are a total waste of money. However, I am sure we are going to get many more false sightings in the very near future.

Watch this space!!

Cláudia said...

Di, a very wise person told me some time ago that courtrooms are strange places where incidentally and accidentally sometimes the truth is found. Therefore, those who are afraid of the truth run away from those places like hell . The others have nothing againstthem. :-)

mandarinn said...

Thanks Di, is very kind of you

Di said...

Claudia

I get your meaning :o))

Can I just say..

Marga

If you are still looking in, no hard feelings, I think I saw somewhere that you were cloned, if not who cares..

We are both here for the same reasons, please keep posting, I always looked forward to your information.

Off shortly,butwill catch up tomorrow.

Wizard said...

Well, after all today’s news where does it leave us. The Mc’s arguido status may be lifted on the other hand may be it will not. They will not be charged as there is not enough evidence but may be there is. The pj files will be handed over to the Mc’s so they can see what evidence the police have against them soon or perhaps that’s not the case. The pj will shelved this case but we are also told they will continue to investigate it.

For every remark there is a contradictory one. Imo the pj know exactly what happened to Madeleine but to go to court on forensic and circumstantial evidence would not be sufficient to obtain a conviction – so until more evidence comes to light, it ever does, the Mc’s will not be charged.

I rather like the idea that the Mc’s arguido status will remain and I understand this could be for 20 years. We will still have to wait to see what actually pans out but I suspect it will be inconclusive - the McCanns may well not go to prison but the belief by many that they are involved with their daughters disappearance will haunt them forever.

Di said...

Mandarinn

You're welcome.

Off now.

Catch you all tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

I hope R Murat does sue everyone who has accused him. If this case is archived then I would like to see his Ardguido status lifted and the neglectful parents have there's remain for as long as it is archived. That would most definitely speak volumes, IMO. How would they spin that.

Bye all

Will catch up tomorrow regarding the prog with G.A. Thanks in advance to all PT posters.

Nite x

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE
JUSTICE FOR ALL NEGLECTED CHILDREN

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys.
The interview with Gonçalo Amaral was short but interesting. We saw his wife and youngest daughter and got to see the family man instead of the policeman. He talked about the lack of solidarity and about the fact the he thought that retiring was the only way he could gain his freedom of expression back and the only way to defend himself against the lies. He maintained that Madeleine died in the evening of May 3 rd in apartment 5A, but did not comment on anyone's involvement. He mentioned possible interferences along the whole investigation, commented on the unsual need to hire a PR which had been previously connected with the government and also talked about the fact that those who should have defended them didn't at the time.
We heard his wife saying that for his daughters it was easier to be away from their father when it was explained to them that dad was looking for a missing little girl. His wife, Sofial Leal, also said that he didn't discuss the case much and that although he will probably make more money in his future activities, he would prefer to continue having a policeman's paycheck because that is what he likes doing. The interview ends with Gonçalo saying something like 'See you soon' and the reporter saying that Gonçalo Amaral will forever be a policeman.

mandarinn said...

Claudia
TO G:A: it just started...

Cláudia said...

Mandarinn, ;-)

hope4truth said...

Claudia

Sarah is Beautiful :o)

If GA is saying that Madeleine died in the apartment on television there must be some very strong evidence to sugest this or he would be sued imediatly by Team McCann.

How very sad that such a beautiful little girl is not worth the truth and there are still people trying to make the McCanns look like saints rather than the selfish child neglecters they have been proved to be on many nights before she disapeared. God knows what happend to her and he will be the ultimate judge...

docmac said...

Claudia

Can't wait for the book ;-)

Hi and bye everyone. Early night for me.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

Reading the account of the interview with Mr Amaral my impression is that "The Truth About The Lie" is more about the slagging off that he has been subject to rather than the case itself. I hope my reading of the situation is wrong but I would value your opinion.

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, I think the book will have several chapters which will deal with the whole investigation and everything around it.

Doc, me neither! Boa noite.

Hope, yes, she is! :-) I would love to see that lawsuit. Paulo Pereira Cristóvão once said that he would loved to be sued (when his book came out). He's still waiting.

nancy said...

Hello Di and Mandarrin -

I'm not really sure whether the McCanns are on holiday or not, but I wouldn't be surprised! They can certainly afford it and I have a feeling that once their arguidos status is lifted, which could be on the cards, some of their famous friends will be coming out of the woodwork again in order to rub shoulders with the most infamous couple in the world!

It's hard at the moment to know exactly what is going on - the story is all over the media at the moment and most of them seem to think that the PJ's will close the case, although they are not 100% certain, so we will just have to wait and see.

Off to bed now -

Good night everyone!

Nx

mandarinn said...

good night Nancy, sleep well

marga said...

Di,
apologies to you. You are right concerning our presence here.

The most important is to know what really happened to Maddie and not to feed unnecessary fights.

She is the victim. not the parents or the PJ.They are adults and must know what they are doing and the consequences of their actions.

The more I see, the least I believe it is about the fate of an innocent girl anymore.

Perhaps I'm too pessimistic today, but I don't like to see certain kind of attitudes of certain people who I used to respect at the same level of the arguidos. And that's all I have to say for now.

Bye!

Cláudia said...

Marga, there's a debate on RTPN, if you're still awake.
Jinhos.

marga said...

PS . I was referring to what I watched today here in Pt on television.

marga said...

Thanks Cláudia.

I'll email you!

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, guys.

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