16 Aug 2008

GERRY OVERHEARD ON MOBILE SAYING MADDIE SNATCHED BY PAEDO NETWORK

Happy 4th Birthday to Madeleine - there just are no words to express this macabre spectacle really, are there? Was it the thought of the scene below and what fame and riches it could bring him that gave Gerry McCann such pure joy? Plain evil.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE !



Could these be the trousers the PJ refer to, with the death scent on them? Kate looks very unwell in this pic..


The McCanns in the early days in PDL, clearly devastated over the loss of their daughter but comforted by the Paypal donations flooding in and their "online shop".





Gerry loudmouth McCann, wishes the worst for his daughter within just a few hours of her er apparently being snatched by a network of paedophiles. The files reveal a British tourist overheard him actually saying this on his mobile. Was he out looking for her, no of course not, he was glued to his mobile setting his sickening money spinning schemes into action. Was Kate out looking for her, no she was not as she confessed in the original interview with Jane Hill, BBC. She sat on her bed on her mobile and of course they had to prepare a script of what each member of the TAPAS would say, again, as she told Jane Hill, they were very busy. How weird Gerry just happened to have some large prints of Madeleine handy to give to the police at 2 am, where did those just come from!! But no doubt the best for the gruesome twosome as they seek to cover her death and rake in a load of cash with their disgusting claims. Even 15 months later, the couple from hell, who simply have no shame, persist with their repulsive claims. Of course he does not wish to comment on the clear evidence that Madeleine died in their apartment, well why not Mr Loudmouth? Why don't you blog about that, we would all be keen to hear your comments/.








This report also mentions details of concerns being expressed in the investigation about David Payne having an unnatural interest in children. I remain absolutely convinced the British Police and all other agencies working on this case will not be filing this case. I believe they have quite naturally taken over this serious investigation from the Portuguese authorities and a great deal of the information they gleaned from the investigation has not been made public, for very good reason, because it continues to be investigated. I say this to the McCanns, you know your daughter is dead, we know your daughter is dead and we are sick of your lies and cashing in on her death. It is time to start telling the truth or just shutting up and crawling under a stone, where you belong.








JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!








Viv x
























Correio de Manha








August 16, 2008 - 00:30 am Research: PJ followed track of 150 paedophiles Prime suspect was in Iraq The disappearance of Maddie on May 3, 2007 the Judicial Police led to hundreds of clues linked to paedophilia. The officers followed the steps of 150 paedophiles and perpetrators of crimes of a sexual nature, without, however, could establish a link between the disappearance of the child and a sexual predator. The first suspect to be followed by PJ early in the investigation was a sexual abuser of children, nationality English, fled the UK in 2005, with links to a bar located at 150 meters from where the fourth Maddie disappeared. However, the PJ to establish contact with his stepfather, who would tell investigators that the couple was in Iraq. The English authorities confirm this information and track would be abandoned. At the beginning of research, the British newspaper 'The Sun' reported that the Algarve is a refuge for paedophiles British, living in the region 130. Some came to be being interrogated by the PJ. Also a couple English suspicious about the relationship of David Payne (friend of McCann) with children, but only in October is that the British deliver information to the PJ, leaving nothing proved a link on the doctor. In the same month, following the operation 'Predador', experts from PJ observe the faces of hundreds of children on sites for paedophiles looking for a runway. GERRY EXPLICA DESAPARECIMENTO WITH PEDOFILIA A few hours after Maddie had disappeared in Praia da Luz, Algarve, her father, Gerry McCann, said in a telephone conversation that the girl English, then in three years, had been the victim of a kidnapping by a network of paedophiles. Gerry's words were later told by another English citizen on vacation in Ocean Club to Judicial Police. The tourists heard the call without that if Gerry saw their presence. PROTECTED DATA POLICE INGLESA REFUSAL The British police chose to maintain the confidentiality of the list of paedophiles referenced in the process. PRIVACY PRESERVADA The disclosure of the identities was considered an intrusion of privacy. Nothing was proved against a paedophile involvement of ears. NEW INTERROGATÓRIO Some British newspapers gave yesterday to preventing the prosecutor to a new interrogation to McCann. PRESS SKY NEWS Gerry McCann launched new call on the authorities to deliver data to help find his daughter. 'THE SUN' Official notes that research has found that the more likely it is that Maddie is dead.

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ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

Cláudia said...

Hope,

P.S: the translation(s) is going very well, thank you. Apart from the fact that everytime I think I'm close to the end of the article, others arrive.

dylan said...

Hope, you have mail ;-)

xx

ICantThinkOfAName said...

You are out of practice.

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, you... :-)

dylan said...

ICTOAN,

That was very sneaky of you ;-)

Glad LGC is good.

xx

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, I certainly am. You know what a good holiday can do to people. :-) And a good holiday followed by an almost non stop translation marathon makes it even more difficult. :-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

I'm glad you enjoyed your holiday even though it leave you with a deadline meet.

Now going to watch a very old but good tv play about football supporters.

Cláudia said...

Enjoy, ICTOAN: :-)

hope4truth said...

Claudia

How frustrating I am sure you would finish them a lot quicker if you did not keep spending time slagging me off texting Doc LOL :o)

xxxx

hope4truth said...

Dyl

Have replied all I can say is DOH!!!

dylan said...

Poor you Claudia!

When will you have it finished do you think? It's not right not have a few days off before you go back to work!!

xx

dylan said...

Hope, lololololol! Just read your reply. That was so funny I have tears from laughter!

I think one of those parties is where I knew it from. This particular one was demonstrated. I don't know how they can keep a straight face!!!

PS I think your dishwasher had a lucky escape ;-)

xx

dylan said...

Off for a bit now. Things to do!

BBL xx

hope4truth said...

See you later Dyl I am off as well bye for now all x

nancy said...

Dylan -

This person with three different blog names who spews out her bile on the nest of vipers blog is a real sicko if you ask me! I don't believe for one moment he or she is blogging on here while we talk, but if he or she is then I would tell he or she to get himself or herself on the nearest psychiactric couch for treatment because he or she is definitely not in a fit state to be on the loose!

Nebulous Nancy x

I think that's something to do with cloud formation - she really picked that one out of the air LOL!

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

What is this about a rabbit and a mole? Is it a newly discovered Beatrix Potter book?

BBFN

dylan said...

Hi Nancy,

I think nebulous is quite a nice name too! Nebulae are where solar and stellar systems are born and they are truly beautiful, however, I doubt that TR knows this and only knows the derogatory definition, being the nasty thing that it is!!

Zodiac, lol! Poor old Beatrix Potter must be turning in her grave!

xx

Cláudia said...

Hope, texting is boring. But probably a lot of action for some! :-)

Dylan, I think I'll be done in about 10 days. But then work is waiting. The good thing about translations is that if the topic is interesting you can learn a lot and it's also good money. But if it's boring, it seems endless. I particularly dislike statistical reports. Boring, boring, boring. But the best part of my work is almost starting. :-)

nancy said...

Zodiac -

In case you are not talking with tongue in cheek, we had a 'mole' who was supposedly amongst us while we were off screen to the public (so he or she says) and then reported back to the Trollblog - I wouldn't worry too much though as someone has concreted over the mole's holes so it can't come up again!

The rabbit I know nothing about!!

See you tomorrow Zodiac - hope you are well. I'm off for the night now.

Nx

dylan said...

Claudia,

That sounds promising that it'll get a bit more exciting. Certain people on the "other side" seem to like their stats. Perhaps you could pass them over some work ;-)

xx

dylan said...

Goodnight Nancy.

xx

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Guys!

Thank you for missing me! Have been looking in but had some things to attend to in my personal life and also have been trying to weed out the awful right-wing contingency on the 3As...

...sadly, there are only so many hours in one day.

How is everyone???

I've been reading all sorts of negative posts at this time but have to say at the moment I'm really upbeat about what lies ahead for the investigation...

XXX LGC

Cláudia said...

Great to see you, LCG! :-)

Dylan, I wouldn't trust them to babysit a wall. :-)

An example of the topics I've been dealing with lately:

"Patient education in the developing world faces formidable
challenges because of the shortages of trained staff, lack
of accessible facilities, overcrowding and the need to
address issues of poverty, low education and literacy levels
and the existence of pluralist medical systems based on both
western- and non-western medical systems."

Unknown said...

Di said...
Viv

We are now at our holiday home in Wales and the weather is worse than in Cheshire, but the sea view makes up for everything.

Monday, 18 August 2008 13:01:00 o'clock BST

Hiya Di, is your holiday home actually finished then, how fab. My permanent home is not, I am still blogging in my bedroom, but the new oak floor is almost done in my office and I keep having a look at it and dreaming. The builder who was going to knock through my two living rooms seems to have gone very quiet on me, I hope I did not frighten him off, I only mentioned the gas supply was under the floor boards at the top of the stairs he was to rip out and he pulled a face;((( I think that is a trivial little problem and it seems like I need a tougher builder! He is currently trying to make a killing selling a house the same as mine that he has converted into two flats so he can charge a lot more, if he is deffing me out, I wish him a two year wait to sell them xx

Ah the fabulous sea and beautiful Wales, no matter what the weather is doing the sea and nature always put on the most awsome display. I can entirely see where you are coming from (excuse the pun). On wet holidays in Wales I always used to love to just pull the car up near the rocks and the sea and just watch, only trouble is the kids used to say hey come on let's go, then I knew it was earache again((( Has anyone tried to keep three little boys in the car and say now just watch the waves??

How thougtful of our resident mole (if we have one) to keep ST from going even more demented by not being able to get her daily fix of this blog. The point was, at that time, I thought it was important we were not on the WWW until we could see how things were developing, it was never my intention to spoil ST's life:-)))

The only requirement to be a member of this blog is that the poster is not abusive to others, so I cannot believe our mole is really one of them, she would definitely have lost it by now:-)))))

hope4truth said...

Hey LGC

Nice to see you hope you are well :o) xxx

docmac said...

Hi LGC, lovely to see you.

Everyone,

Whilst there are parts of that post by the 'mole' that I do not take seriously there is an implicit threat aimed at me in particular.

But much worse than that, I have an idea that the last paragraph is attempting to cast me as a 'Philip Thompson', an internet child porn 'librarian'. And that is seriously not funny. This sort of post goes against the whole claimed raison d'etre of the troll's blog. The fact that it was allowed and published by ST himself after moderation constitutes criminal activity IMO in that I am not an entirely anonymous blogger. Just shows what to what depths they will sink in a misguided attempt to chase people off.

docmac said...

Claudia

You wanna write the next foreward to my book :-)))

Unknown said...

Doc, are you listening to Claudia, you really should :-))))

docmac said...

Erm, foreword to the next edition. 'Tis late :-)

Unknown said...

LGC, Hello, we really have missed you.

I want to tell you that Nanday is really well and I hope Opus is also x

"I'm really upbeat about what lies ahead for the investigation"


Music to my ears, someone that actually agrees with me:-)))

If I was the McCanns with several UK agencies investigating them, as disclosed in the recent. ill-advised High Court action they mounted, then I would be incredibly downbeat, it may be difficult for Portugal to access all the information they needed, not so for us, we have the legal rules and we have the technology:-))

There are some very good times ahead for this blog xxxxxxxx

Cláudia said...

Doc, it's not all good.
An example of the boring, very boring stuff:

"The AHP method is a matrix-based approach. It is a
theory for measuring impact priorities in a hierarchical
structure [5].
After a matrix has been formed, the relative weights of
each element need to be derived. The method uses the
pair-wise comparison of the relative influence of factors
taken two at a time and arranged in the form of a matrix."

docmac said...

Frick Claudia, that sounds boring! Just like a certain poster's biochem lessons on 3A.

Viv, don't quite follow you but I am an hour ahead and got up real early.

Unknown said...

Bloody hell Claud Hun, what a tedious way to earn a crust, it sounds even worse than completing and EOASys assessment on an offender, not that I need to do that any more. I can just assess them in my own way and write about it on here:-))


Doc, less of your sarcy talk, you will be barred xxxxxxxxx

Cláudia said...

Doc, it does, doesn't it? Ouch!
I'm kind of sleepy too. I translated till very late yesterday. When I finished it was almost 3 o'clock am so I decide I could wait and watch a bit of the OG. I'm glad I did. I watched Vanessa Fernandes win a silver medal and Nelson Évora get to the finals. Good things come to those who work hard. :-) Of course I'm sleepy now. :-)

Unknown said...

Well Claudia Hun, if you do not get up early to be on this blog, I cannot fault you, like me a little later generally suits x

Cláudia said...

Viv, fortunately the boring parts are an exception. But even so, this is not the part of my job I like the most. Not even close. :-) But when the subject is interesting, you can learn quite a lot.

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia

Learning is such a great thing, I have learned a huge amount from some great barristers and solicitors over the years, but also from a lot of victims and offenders. There are so many ways to learn!


xxx

docmac said...

Still don't know what you're on about Viv, so I'll just be off then.

Goodnight all.

Cláudia said...

Viv, the will to learn is what makes the world evolve. Totally agree. Infinite ways to learn.

Cláudia said...

Doc, nothing a good night's sleep doesn't cure. I also need one. Beijinhos, querido amigo.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Cláudia said...

Viv, sleep well, querida.
I'll probably fall asleep before I finish this sentence. :-)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Viv, Hope, Docmac, Dyl, Claudia and everyone else...

The summer is a washout here in southern England and I'm endeavouring to find out how to rustproof myself ready for the coming winter. Am getting some essential tips from Opus, who can't understand why I turn on the heater merely because the daytime temperature has averaged -13.

Troll activity on the 3As has been sporadic, but from time to time they seem to take it very seriously and endeavour to hijack conversation about the case in hand. Doesn't do them much good, but I guess it gives them the last hope they have.

Am here in my thoughts even if my posts aren't all that regular at the moment. Am off on my hols soon (for some much-needed sun) but always here in spirit...

XXX

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Am off on my hols soon (for some much-needed sun) but always here in spirit...


LGC

Whiskey, Brandy or Gin?

LittleGreyCell said...

Evening Viv,

Opus sends his kindest regards to Nanday - he's sitting on an egg at the moment (it's the breeding season; more pro-justice penguins about to join the fold...)

I react to my instincts much of the time (as well as my intellectual analysis about the case); can't help feeling positive about justice for Madeleine somehow.

Hope you have a very good holiday and lovely weather! It's much like October here in the South East at the moment, but surely the sun has to make an appearance at some point...

XXX LGC

LittleGreyCell said...

ICTOAN,

Yes please! :))))

XXX

hope4truth said...

LGC

Opus has an egg? I am not sure I have a pan big enough to make any more chocy herring crispie cakes when it hatches!!!!!!!

Good night all I am off to bed xxxx

Stonemaid said...

Hope wrote:

"Was watching the news today and they have jailed Philip Anthony Thompson who ran a vile and depraved internet site for paedophiles. The investigating officer sounded choked up when he was talking about the disgusting and depraved things that were being done to children and I hope they keep this scum in prison for a very long time."

I believe he has been jailed for four years....and I suppose that means 18 months in reality....

Gobsmacking......

Stonemaid

LittleGreyCell said...

Hope,

Opus has a very beautiful egg which reminds him of the frozen fjords (or is that the parrot?). He's sitting on it as I write this, and is hoping to hatch out a whole host of Anti-McCanns. But then, how many more do we need???

XXX

LittleGreyCell said...

Off to bed now folks.

Happy Monday evening!

XXX

Anonymous said...

Good evening Viv and everyone still here.

I have read the accusations re a mole, and it saddens me that bloggers immediately believe this claim. And then the paranoia starts.Divide and conquer, it seems.
We all know why we have been posting, discussing, debating. Because we care to see justice done for a little girl that has no voice.

Unknown said...

Hiya LGC

I am quite convinced the police will not be leaving Kate and Gerry McCann alone, and it is just a matter of time.

The weather here in the Midlands is just as bad as South East (probably marginally worse). I cannot remember a summer when it is simply not necessary to keep on watering all my pots and baskets, in fact plants are rotting they are so wet. I try to keep upbeat about this too and tell myself we will have an Indian summer, come late September/October it will be wonderful, if not I am jumping on a plane !

As you say, I think, when you carefully analyse everthing that has recently taken place there is only one conclusion to draw and the barrister for the Chief Constable stressed the INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING. People just need to accept that and be patient. In UK we often take 15 years to be put murderers behind bars but in the end we do. Did you read Colin Stagg got about £700,000 compensation and they have the man who really killed Rachel, about ear 15 years later! Colin says it is like winning the lottery and he never expected so much but nothing can put his life back that has been taken from him, just like Murat really but at least it did not go on so long. Clearly it would have done if wicked Jane Tanner and the McCanns had anything to do with it!

I have put a new picture up above of the McCanns "celebrating" Madeleine's 4th birthday and think it goes well with a brilliant post from Hope, below:

HI Viv

I have seen the picture above before but everytime I see a picture of the pair of them looking so happy and carefree I wonder again what kind of power they have over people to keep them spouting the rubbish against anyone who dares not to believe them?

Had a look at another site this morning and one idiot was having her say about Doc and his post about what had happend to Madeleine saying that a 3 year old would not know about ileagal practices. Very true she would not know I think the stupid woman simply does not understand that Doc was not trying to post something for shock value but something that if true is sickening evil and twisted and the thought that the poor child could have died in this way (or any other at the hands of her parents) makes me sick..

A 3 year old (nearly 4 as we keep being told check out the joyus pictures of her parents on what would have been her 4th Birthday)would know if something was being done to her that she felt uncomfortable with and could very well of spoken of her concerns and aksed her Mummy to help her she would not have used the words ileagla activities but I dont want to think about the words she may have used (if true) to descripe why she was scared.

Not much point going to Mummy though was there after all she told her how upset she and her brother had been the night before and Kates heartless conclusion was to do it again if she woke up distressed tough luck....

I dont claim to know what happend but reading the report (that has been made available so far a French newspaper is prining the whole thing soon) It seems to me that no abduction took place and after reading up on Eddie and Keela they have a 100% record.

If I were to doubt the findings of the dogs Gerry and Kate again show they know more than they are saying because if I were told there was evidence my child was dead and I really believed she had been taken devestation would consume me but nothing.

I could never belive all of the tapas were involved there is no secret big enough to keep all of them from not talking it was a sticking point and I could not understand it. If peadophilia plays any part in this then I guess if they are all in on it that is one reason to have a pact of silence...

The false sightings will continue forever Gerry and Kate dont want them to stop but they cant belive Madeline is really out there or they would be advertising the reward pushing it for all it was worth but nothing....

Madeleine McCann is missing she was 3 years old and after being neglected night after night by her parents vanished. Her parents want the world to belive she has been taken by a peadophile ring (and seem very happy with that thought see picture at top of page) Kate cared so little for her daughter she refused to answer very simple questions and people belive they have been treated unfairly?

Madelein was treated very unfairly and is still missing more than likely dead and my sympathy and care will always go to a child not to parents who did not even provide the care she so deserved and that each and every child deserves. It may be sick to talk about what may have happend to her it upsets me greatly but this child and all children deserve to be heard and Madeleines parents hardly mention her it is all about them (read Gerry's blogs) now that is sick....

Unknown said...

Hiya Southerncross

Thanks for your post. I am delighted with contributions to this blog and agree talk of a mole is just silliness. No one who was genuinely on the side of Kate and Gerry McCann could write in such a passionate way, saying just the opposite!

Viv xxxx

Stonemaid said...

Just saw this on the DE....

"Today a judge at Teesside Crown Court handed him an indefinite sentence, but said the paedophile would serve a minimum period of three years and nine months behind bars."

Oh, so I was wrong!! They'll only give him three months for "good" behaviour!!

Unknown said...

Nite LGC and lovely to see you back. I agree, how many more do we need, there are some brilliant and eloquent posters on here, spreading the message and the public have got it, loud and clear :-)))


Viv xxxxxxxxxxx


Hiya Stonemaid

In such a case the judge has to set a minimum period the offender must serve to represent the "punishment" part of the sentence before he can be considered for release to be supervised by the probation service on parole. But this sentence is also a public protection one which means the reality is it is likely to be many many years before he would be considered to no longer present such a risk that he could be safely released. Only in the most serious cases does this happen where the judge has passed an indeterminate sentence which gives the opportunity for him to be locked up quite literally for life if needs be and I think he will serve a very long sentence indeed in light of his terrible crimes.

Viv x

dylan said...

Bu***r! I did it again - posted without having signed in!

Just said Hi and bye to LGC. I was so pleased to see you back and I've gone and missed you! Surely you wouldn't do that to Opus' egg? ;-)

Southerncross, hi! I agree with Docmac that it was a very threatening and nasty post and very sinister. This thing has a really dark mind but it failed anyway. I don't think any of us here are worried about it at all. In fact we've had quite a laugh at its stupidity at exposing such a sadistic and evil streak. I just feel sorry for Docmac that he's getting such a bashing but at least he of all people can cope with it in a dignified manner.

Viv, that new picture - is that a happy couple with 3 kids who have just won the lottery??? Hang on a minute..I recognise THEM!!!

Well, goodnight all. Sleep well.

xx

PS I have my student man friend over for a meal tomorrow night. So much for "poor Dyl who can't keep a man for more than one night" eh?? ;-)

Unknown said...

Hiya Dillie

I think it is right that we just leave people who are obviously quite depraved to rot in their filthy little hole. It takes nothing to just be abusive about others, but says so much about the people who do it and what their motivations may be. I suspect they are a little coven of child abusers.

Doc of all people has demonstrated time and again, he can rise above and ignore their sickening and threatening abuse.


Viv xxxxxx

Anonymous said...

Goodnight everyone, always a pleasure to read your opinions!

Thanks Viv x

Unknown said...

Goodnight SC, great to see you back:-)))


Viv xxx

docmac said...

'Butterfly' on 3A

It IS disturbing and what I find equally disturbing is that the people who are most 'deluded' is that they are being encouraged by other forum members to become even more fanatical.
I spent time on a forum where there were a few of these people, they would message me telling me they couldn't stop crying, they were not coping at all well and were becoming increasingly angry at anyone that dared say anything against the parents. They saw that as being disrespectful to Madeleine. They felt they could speak for Madeleine. I think they assumed Madeleine would utterly forgive her parents for leaving her alone and that she would be found and would run into the arms of her parents. There didn't seem to be any recognition of the amount of damage that she would have sustained. That this wasn't a 'film' this was real life and real life is far uglier and disturbing that some 'film' they may have watched.
I suggested that they step back from the forum as it was obviously making them ill, but they seemed totally obsessed with Madeleine, almost claiming her as their own.
It's sad really they were quite obviously mentally unstable but were being encouraged by people that should have known better, they were about as 'pro' as you can get so they were protected and cossetted, others would praise every word they said, making things even worse. The people whipping these people up into a frenzy should be ashamed of themselves. It became like a competition of who could 'love' Madeleine more.


Not a truer word said...

Unknown said...

Hiya Doc

Those sentiments would certainly seem to apply to some of Rosie's newer recruits, and if that is the way they feel, that they just need to see a happy ending, and are divorced from reality, then in a way we should feel sorry for how depressed they are by this. It is shocking to believe that parents could behave so badly and Madeleine is no more, but this is the sickening reality of life. There are parents just as bad as that.
I have just had a look at Correio and there is more on the doping of the children. I am very shocked it suggests we regularly dope our kids to make them sleep, not that I know of!! Needless to say kate's suggestion that some predator doped her kids was dismissed as quite incredible and their own "tests" were of course intended as yet another of their exculpatory pieces of disinformation, knowing full well, as doctors, these tests were meaningless and pointless, several months later!

Interesting to read that apparently Fiona Payne states Kate kept checking the respiration of the twins, I am sure she did not want to lose them too! I still believe they were dosed up because of what had happened. Her actions would suggest she took a terrible risk in doing that, just like she did every night when she left them to cry, alone. Poor kids who our own SSD have not seen fit to remove from the gruesome twosome, I just hope nothing else happens!

Of course they are devastated and angry about what Mr levy may have, just like they are devastated and angry with the Portuguese Police!

Well come on Mr Levy, put up or shut up! It is very difficult to give much credibility to anything written in Rosie's favourite paper, The People, but we shall see:-)) Clarence's comments were interesting, so what if the police interviewed Mr DG and Kate got changed..

Viv x



August 19, 2008 - 00:30 am

Suspected: PJ admitted that children were doped
Strange attitudes of Kate
A strange attitude of Kate, on the disappearance of Madeleine, was marked by Fiona Payne, a women who was part of the group of Englishmen who spent the holidays with McCann on the beach of Luz


He said then the witness that the mother of Maddie, during the first hours marked by despair and a feeling close to the frustration, often approached the twins, putting their fingers near the nose.

Sean and Amélie asleep at the time, but Kate seemed to want to confirm that young children were alive, checking whether they respiravam.

This behavior, combined after the fact confirmed by the grandparents of Maddie, that the children took a soporífero to sleep - a drug that is usual in the United Kingdom and often given to children - has raised questions for researchers. But the detail has never been detailed, although one of the theories advocated by the first team responsible for research is that the disappearance was related to an accident and can be directly linked to the medication that was given to children.

Another detail baralhou researchers. Kate and Gerry always said that Maddie, Sean and slept by Amélie 19h30/20h00, which led to that were able to leave alone while jantavam restaurant in the resort, located about one hundred meters, but where there was no visibility to rooms.

The versions changed later, when Gerry McCann was questioned, because as an accused.

At that time, the father said that Maddie had difficulty sleeping and that to combat these fears have even set up a system of points. The child was rewarded when they could reach certain thresholds.

ERAM TESTS NOT POSSIBLE

Months after Maddie and disappear at a time when Kate already felt that research is turned against him, the medical aspects of the English suggested that the Judicial Police twins were submitted for analysis, to verify that had been dopados the night of the disappearance.

The request is noted as a strategy to confuse the investigation because, in the case of a couple of doctors, they know that at that time was no longer possible to detect any trace of substances that may have been ingested by children.

Kate then argued that the younger brother of Madeleine could have been claimed by dopados raptor, adding that for that reason they had continued to sleep, even before the confusion created by the disappearance of the sister. In the process, it appears that the argument was not considered credible.

PRESS

'THE PEOPLE'

The parents of Maddie are "devastated and angry" with the news that a French state that wants to sell photos taken at the Ocean Club and who can blame Kate and Gerry in the disappearance of her daughter.

Unknown said...

I am still keen to learn why Brian Kennedy is seeing fit to spend countless thousands apparently defending Kate and Gerry McCann. What does this man have to hide?

I recall there was a lot of confusion about who was paying the bills for Metodo 3, why would Mr Kennedy want this outfit to provide such a load of disinformation and false sightings of Madeleine, framing of Murat etc, why oh why would you do that, Mr Kennedy?

I have a view!

Viv x

Unknown said...

UK cops infiltrated the paedo ring in May 2007..there are many other suspects who have been identified but not, as yet, arrested, including from America, Canada and Australia.

I suppose CEOP was one of the other agencies referred to in the McCanns high court action against LP.

Viv x

Librarian of child abuse networking site jailed indefinitelyCradle of depravity
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Rate this story 5 RatingsPublished Monday 18th August 2008 14:39 GMT

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A UK man who ran an online child abuse image library that served as a meeting place for paedophiles was jailed indefinitely on Monday.

Philip Anthony Thompson, 27, of Stockton-on-Tees, was convicted of holding a library of 241,000 indecent images of kids, ranging in explicitness from the borderline legal to clearly obscene. Judge Michael Taylor described Thompson as a "dangerous offender" who would be placed on the sex offenders register for the rest of his life.

Thompson pleaded guilty to 27 charges including 16 counts of making indecent images, seven of distributing images of child abuse and one count of inducing a child under 13 to engage in sexual acts, PA reports.

Thompson will serve a minimum of three years and nine months, but will only be released when authorities are convinced he no longer presents a threat to youngsters. His entry on the sex offenders register means he will never be allowed to work with children.

Police said 50 arrests have been made and 130 suspects identified in the UK alone during the investigation into the child abuse ring centered around invitation-only sites run by Thompson. Outside Britain a further 230 suspects have been identified in countries including the US, Australia and Canada.

Undercover cops from the Metropolitan police infiltrated the ring in May 2007, in what became one of the largest investigations of its kind by British police. Officers from Cleveland Police and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) were also involved in the case.

Members of the forum run by Thompson would initially post images of children of borderline legality. These served as calling cards indicating that they were open to trading explicit photos and movie clips. The approach was designed to keep the site from attracting attention, allowing it to exist as a forum for child abusers to meet others with similar interests. Once connected, users exchanged images with each other and discussed plans for more abuse.

Thompson was unemployed at the time of his arrests and taught himself how to run the forum he operated, PA adds.

CEOP chief executive Jim Gamble said: "This website - whilst appearing to operate on the margins of legality - was clearly a front for the sinister, sexual abuse of children and an image-trading ground for paedophiles."

The investigation has resulted in the removal of 15 children from situations where they have been or might be abused by offenders, the BBC reports.

Det Chief Supt Mark Braithwaite, from Cleveland Police, said Thompson played a key role as a conduit for child abusers to meet and exchange images.

"He was, essentially, the librarian for a myriad of images that were distributed to like-minded individuals both in this country and elsewhere

Unknown said...

Isis, I just noticed your post

" I never felt this investigation had been shelved completely"

I am sure you are right about that my friend!

Viv x

dylan said...

Good morning!

Viv, you really are a night owl!!

Kate checking on twins' breathing - that's very odd behaviour, indeed. OK, so it's normal when they are babies and I know that it is still possible at 2 years for SIDS, but it's extreme paranoid behaviour unless Kate had another reason reason to check......

"Thompson will never be allowed to work with children" - Thompson shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE NEAR CHILDREN, EVER! He should be castrated and locked up for life. I'm sick of our country going soft on paedophiles. Everybody knows it is not possible to rehabilitate them. Electronic tags might help but ultimately, they don't protect our children from a man who is desperate to get to them. They shouldn't be allowed back into society, ever. Full stop.

However, despite soft penal policies, I don't believe we would protect anybody, regardless of their status. That said, those with money who have not been exposed, could use that money to buy protection from exposure. Now, I'm not mentioning any names here, of course!

docmac said...

Hi Dyl

By definition, Sudden infant Death Syndrome refers to unexplained death in chidren under one year. Which makes Kate's actions purely suspect IMO.

dylan said...

Thanks Docmac and hi!

I am sure that Kate would have known that too being a GP.

Can't think of any other reason to check. If over-sedation occurs, I'm assuming that a person would just would just die without any warning other than the lack of breathing?

Di said...

Good morning all

Hi Dyl

I have just been reading back, I can't believe I have finally got a mention over there, dubious Di. I quite like that it has a certain ring to it, what a laugh.

docmac said...

If the sedative was one of the benzos eg Valium, yes. That's why they are so dangerous. They suppress respiration..

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Docmac that TR is repulsive. I remember on the DE the psycho poster calling Claudia the very same.

Di said...

Hi Doc

Sorry did not see you there.

Unknown said...

Hiya Dillie

Not just the fact she was checking but also that it would seem the Paynes have not been so helpful to the McCanns as we all originally thought, reporting this behaviour in Kate and also reporting they did not regularly check on their children. It is odd though in other respects that they do seem close or was it reported the Paynes had stopped attending church services etc even though llving locally. If Paynes research base is at Glenfields with Gerry that could make life difficult:-)

Night owl sometimes yes, I just like to read a lot when all is quiet and figure out what is going on:-))

Clearly the UK Police and other agencies have been very busy on a major paedophile investigation, since er May 2007, odd timing! It is also clear that there are a number of suspects who have not yet been arrested.

I really do not like that pic of Madeleine, I do not know whether you have seen it but I will not put it on this blog, because it looks to me like a shot paedos would like in a very provocative pose. I cannot for the life of me think of any innocent explanation for such a shot where the photographer has stood right over her looking down and the position of her hair etc, really disgusting. Apart from that I doubt if she is even 3 in that pic, she look more like 2!

I have read the pros suggesting children this age just do not get abused, now how naive is that!

On Correio de manha last night there is a confusing article saying the McCanns tore the covers of two of Maddie's bedtime story books in an attempt to destroy incriminating evidence immediately and these were seised by the GNR at the scene. Other than they may have been covered in blood splatter I cannot figure out why they would do such a thing but the translation was not very good. It was also going on about them immediately writing out a temporal and spatial account of events that night with their friends so I am not sure if it they meant there was a link - the book covers got scribbled on for notes or something. Hopefully Claudia can help it is a curious article!

Doc, maybe there are different definitions for SIDS, I am sure I have heard this being applicable up to age about two as Dillie says. I cannot precisely recall but think I have seen this when reading legal cases, parents have said that is what happened to their child! Luke used to hold his breath when upset when he was little and I was told that he would not be able to do this beyond aged 2.

Di said...

Hi Viv

Yes we still have the workmen around, when they can be bothered to turn up that is.

You sound as if you are still in a mess, fancy frightening the builder like that, I don't think he will be back in a hurry LOL.

Unknown said...

Hiya Di

Well sometimes, I just seem to have that effect on people:-))

I thought I would leave it for a while a try and at least get the upstairs tidier before we start knocking further lumps out downstairs, there are already holes in the plaster that electricians ripped out and door frames ripped off, not a pretty sight. Also I have now had to take deliver of the leather suite as they would not hold it any longer, so that did not work out right, I meant to get the living room done before it arrived but hey ho I seem to have worried the builder. It is quite worrying trying to get a decent one. My mom had a fairly good one to change her bathroom/toilet so maybe I will try him, but this is a bigger job than that!

Anyway the leather recliner chair is very comfy and smells great! I like playing with the control going up and down, how childish!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Well I just dont bloody believe it, I thought I know I will go a nice healthy walk in the wood and then I thought well I will just have a blog for a bit first. Guess what it is pouring with rain now, how unusual!

Maybe I will have to go shopping instead:-)))

Stonemaid said...

Hi Viv

Apparently they tore the books up to use for writing down their accounts of their movements that night!!

You'd think they (or the police) would have had some paper!!

Stonemaid

dylan said...

Docmac, OMG!

Are there alternative sedatives that don't surpress respiration? If so why use one of the Benzos? Also, is it possible for an unexpected allergic reaction to take place? I'm only asking because Kate is an anaesthestist and one would think she knows what she's doing!

Viv, that's interesting about the Paynes. Especially if they knew what had happened - mentioning the checks [on the twins] would appear to be an attempt to throw the PJ a major clue, an implication that cannot be misunderstood whilst not actually telling what they know!

Hello Di and Zodiac. Di - you should be proud that you have made it in life now you have a mention on the dark side ;-)

Have to go now. I've got my daughter's friend for the day and a few things planned if it doesn't rain - fat chance!!

xx

Unknown said...

Dille you are definitely one step ahead of me, yes that is a good point. The Paynes to Police : We are co-operating with your enquiries but we are still a bit frightened of Gerry and we did make a pact with him:-))) Then we had his temporal and spatial account that he got us to sign on the cover of one of Maddie's books prior to him producing his usual perfect piece of work on the computer but you found that ..so er

Unknown said...

Stonemaid, thanks, bit tired:-)))

Unknown said...

Actually you know it would be odd if he had no paper to produce his temporal and spatial account of events that night, because he had some high quality photographic paper to produce those nice prints of Maddie at 2 am, so fancy that!

Anonymous said...

What exactly do the files contain regarding the books. Is it the ripped books or ripped books and ripped backings with the writings on or just the ripped paper with the writing?

docmac said...

Dylan of course there are. But many of the others also cause side effects in OD that may be obvious. Fits, for example.

Viv, no, it's one year max.

Hello to those I did not say hello to :-)

docmac said...

BTW Kate is not an anaesthetist, never was. She did a rotation only.

docmac said...

Stonemaid

But what about that nice big fat A4 pad that was on the dining table in 5A?

Unknown said...

OK Doc thanks, I think I got that wrong.

Zodiac here is the translation from Correio, the group produced the itenary and Kate and Gerry ripped the cover of Maddies books, weird!

Procedure: PJ seized document typed by the group
Book of Maddie torn by parents
Hours after Madeleine disappeared, the parents of the girl English rasgaram the cover of two children's books that a child would like to browse before sleep, for anotarem the details of the night of the disappearance.




There, as can be seen by leaves near the process, the parents of Madeleine reported the frequency of visits to the various rooms where children slept and who is the group that the British had made the verification that no unusual was happening.

The PJ joined those documents the process by September 9 last year, and then said that they had been seized by the GNR in the evening when the girl left to be seen.

The importance of covers of the books had to do with the fact that PJ consider that there has been a manipulation of evidence - the ones between the elements of the groups were combined to detail. That is the reason that prompted them to join those the evidence only after the formation of Gerry and Kate as defendants at a time when it had formally assumed they were suspects.

For the authorities, this was then an important detail at that time of research, because revealed the concern of parents of the girl in protecting itself from any responsibilities to the detriment of the preservation of objects of the child who at the time still was only as missing a few hours.

We should remember also that in the final report to PJ vai further and says it has seized a document typed, after detailed joint meeting, where the group described all temporal and spatial facts that occurred that night.

What prompted the authorities to admit he had been manipulation of evidence.

Child of CONFUNDIDO PLAYER WITH CHILD

Tourists confused the son of English footballer of Dinamo Zagreb, Dino Drpic, with Madeleine McCann and tried to remove the child from its mother, to the Croatian press. The case went to the island of Krk, where the tourists confused the English girl with the son of Dino Drpic and Nives, two and a half years. To see the laurel Leone Drpic, a British child was convinced that it was Maddie and warned their parents. These, then, take some photographs at a distance, closer to the boy and tried to take him. "There was a time when he grabbed the arm, apparently believing that the no one was watching [the boy]. As soon as I approached, she had noticed the error and apologized," said Nives Drpic.

DETAILS

RECONSTITUTION

The reconstitution of the night of the disappearance, never carried out because the English are not offered to return to Portugal, it was essential to understand the steps of all elements of the group that night. The PJ wanted to determine exactly at what time is that the girl had disappeared.

PORTRAIT-ROBÔ

Jane Tanner assured having seen an unknown by 21:00, with a child to the pass. Admitia was the raptor and explained that Gerry was very close to each other when viewed. It made a portrait-robot, but the authorities have always believed that his testimony was not credible.

TIME

Maddie was last seen by people other than parents and siblings, by 17:30.



Wanda Laranjo

Unknown said...

Gerry in particular, very immaculate, controlled, organised, I just cannot believe he ripped the covers of her books to write on!

Doc what A4 pad? although I confess very likely he had one. I think the reality is he would not have needed one, straight onto laptop jobby, maybe he just told the cops that is why they ripped Maddies books?

Stonemaid said...

Hi Doc

"But what about that nice big fat A4 pad that was on the dining table in 5A?"

Dunno - beats me.....!!!!!

docmac said...

I can't remember the post on 3a now, but there were numerous photos from the files, taken on the night of the 3rd inside 5A. One showed one of the living areas and in the foreground was a dining table with a thick A4 pad lying on it. We know it did not belong to the police, as we have been told over and again by the 'others' that the police were bungling idiots who took notes and wrote down statements on post-it notes.

Anonymous said...

Docmac,

Just had a look on McCannfiles Sky crime scenes pics scrolled right down and it does look like there is a pad of paper opn the table more than one!

Anonymous said...

'on'

Di said...

Hi Zodiac

I have just had a look at those pics. I wonder if the books on the chest of drawers are the ones with the missing covers?

I can't imagine after just losing your child to a would be abductor, you would then destroy something that was precious to them.

Anonymous said...

Di,

A bit like washing your missing childs stuffed toy!

Cláudia said...

Hello, all. :-)
Even if Kate believed that the twins could suffer from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome at that age and that was why she was checking their breaths, it still doesn't make sense. Such an absessed mother would never leave their children home alone to have a meal.
For those idiots who think that if Madeleine was found one day alive and returned to her family she would forgive her parents and behave like nothing happened, look at the relationship between Natascha Kampusch (the girl kept in a small room for years by a pervert) and her parents. After being released she never wanted to come back to her mother and their relationship has been quite cold. And let's remember that Natascha was taken at ten on her way to school. Not because her mother left her at 3 or 4 to eat, drink and enjoy herself. There was speculation that her mother was somehow involved in Natascha's abduction, but a court ruled otherwise and her own daughter never confirmed such a thing having even defended her in court although their relationship still remains unusual.

docmac said...

Yeah, Zodiac. That's the table. There is a much better picture of it floating around somewhere. The photographer would have been standing towards the left side (when facing the table) of doorway 'B'.

Di said...

Zodiac

Twice!!

docmac said...

Hello Claudia

You arrive as I'm leaving. You're late by the way. No bonus for you this month :-)

BBFN.

Anonymous said...

'Even if Kate believed that the twins could suffer from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome at that age and that was why she was checking their breaths, it still doesn't make sense. Such an absessed mother would never leave their children home alone to have a meal.'

Claudia,

Exactly!

Anonymous said...

Wonder if the child was sick and some landed on the books.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I just e-mailed you. The main topic is 'Fuel'. ;-)
No bonus? Thank God I've been translating. Phew! :-))))

Di said...

Claudia/Zodiac

An obsessed mother would insist the twins were taken to hospital for a check up!!

Cláudia said...

Di, exactly!

Di said...

Off now will look in later.

docmac said...

Lock up your kids! Paul Gadd is on his way back to Britain.

Cláudia said...

Who is that, Doc?

Cláudia said...

Doc, sorry. I just googled it. Yuck!

docmac said...

Gary Glitter, the serial paedophile has been released from jail and wants to back to the UK for some free NHS treatment.

Cláudia said...

Doc, how can a serial paedo be released from jail? God it's beyond comments, really.

docmac said...

Claudia

See the article in the daily mail. This guy has a long history and is undoubtedly going to re-offend. I know you would want him shot. I am not a supporter of the death penalty but throw away the key at least!

Gotta go.

Cláudia said...

Doc, to be honest I'm also not a supporter of the death penalty. But if all these people happened to be run over by a double decker I can't say I would cry. Totally agree, at least life behind bars.

Cláudia said...

The monster served 27 months???? And he is now going to take advantage of decent people's taxes to have heart treatment? WTF?

nancy said...

Viv -

Absolutely unbelievable photos of the McCanns and Gerry laughing like a hyena at his missing 4 years old's birthday celebration! Of course, the fact that they thought she had been stolen by paedophiles didn't put a stop to their hilarity - no way!!

IF THERE IS A GOD OUT THERE - LET THERE BE JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

nancy said...

Viv -

Absolutely unbelievable photos of the McCanns and Gerry laughing like a hyena at his missing 4 years old's birthday celebration! Of course, the fact that they thought she had been stolen by paedophiles didn't put a stop to their hilarity - no way!!

IF THERE IS A GOD OUT THERE - LET THERE BE JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

nancy said...

Justice for Madeleine sent twice - perhaps that's a good omen!
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I'm celebrating my birthday today folks so won't be on the blog much. I won't tell you how old I am but suffice to say that my favourite era was the swinging sixties when my wardrobe consisted of pelmet sized skirts and dresses along with knee high white boots!!

Yeehaa!!!

See you all asap!!


Nancy x

Cláudia said...

Happy birthday, Nancy! :-)

Rori Hegarty said...

Happy birthday Nancy, my mam used to wear the top of her trouser suit as a mini skirt!! Alas i inherited my dads legs and would be arrested if i appeared in public in a mini, but as i say... I AM in shape... round is a shape!!!

docmac said...

Happy birthday Nancy!!

Hope you have not now got knee high white boobs ;-)

Anonymous said...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NANCY HAVE A GREAT DAY!

mandarinn said...

Happy birthday Nancy, enjoy your birthday

dylan said...

Oooh, Nancy!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! I hope you are having a lovely day
@-'-,-' xxxxxx

Know where I can get some go-go boots from? ;-)

dylan said...

Hi folks!

So Gary Glitter is now free?? yukkk! He should be put in a pool of hungry sharks and let them do the castrating and more! It disgusts me that he's free. These people should never, ever be set free. I know we are short on prison space but I'm sure there are some people inside that needn't be inside.

Take, for example, the landlord of my local. He drove back from holiday after a long flight and didn't realise how tired he was. Tragically, he hit a cyclist and killed him because he fell asleep at the wheel. Now I'm not condoning his actions or excusing him but otherwise he is a good man. Before his trial he was utterly devastated at what he'd done and visibly a broken man. He said he's never forgive himself.
What purpose does a prison sentence serve in this case?? Surely there are other things he could have been ordered to do? Things that would have made him feel better about himself like helping disabled people?? I realise that people need to be made an example of but what sort of person would be tempted to drive whilst exhausted just because another didn't receive a prison sentence?

End of rant! I just don't think they should paedophiles out, that's all.

dylan said...

Hi again,

Didn't think it was appropriate to tag onto the end that I've had a nice day!

I took the two girls to a hands - on science centre in an old church. It was great! There were all sorts of activities ranging from forces and motion to light and fibre optics and a CSI activity where you had to find out who killed x from the 4 clue stations. It was 2 1/2 hours happily spent but unfortunately, after having been there for 10 years or so, it's closing in September due to lack of funds. A crying shame in book :-(

xx

Di said...

Hi Nancy

Happy Birthday enjoy your day.

Thank you for your kind thoughts yesterday.

docmac said...

NEWSFLASH

Mum21 not only has in her possession all the police files (including the 20000+ pages still under secrecy of justice), but she has actually read them all too. She has pointed out there is not a shred of evidence contained in them pointing to K and G having committed any wrongdoing, including neglect. So that's it, I'll have to pack my bags then.

Di said...

Hi Dyl

I totally agree with you regarding the likes of people like Gary Glitter. If I heard correctly on the News, he is not going to be allowed to travel out of the Country, which is good news. I am sure the police will be keeping a very close eye on him.

I wouldn't like to be in his shoes he is too well known to go underground. I wonder if he thinks his fans will still look upto him, because I very much doubt it.

Listening to a specialist on Jeremy Vine yesterday these people can never change.

What also sickened me was the amount of money he is still receiving in royalties. What a pity he cannot be made to donate some of it to abused childrens charities.

Di said...

Any room in that bag for me :o))

Anonymous said...

NEWSFLASH

Mum21 not only has in her possession all the police files (including the 20000+ pages still under secrecy of justice), but she has actually read them all too. She has pointed out there is not a shred of evidence contained in them pointing to K and G having committed any wrongdoing, including neglect. So that's it, I'll have to pack my bags then.

DOCMAC PMSL! I wonder if she will write a poem about it!

mandarinn said...

Hahaha and maybe,mum21 read it all in portugese or in google translation lol

dylan said...

hahahahaha! Docmac! Mum21 is obviously a very accomplished comedian! :-)

Di, I'm really glad he'll be monitored. I am sure he still has a stock of very sick fans ( I wonder if Jonathon King buys his music?) but it's a very good idea about donating his royalties to children's charities. I've heard too that they can't be rehabilitated. There was a very good play that was broadcasted a few years ago that attempted to illicit some understanding from the audience towards the never-ending plight of a paedophile that was trying to come to terms with who he was and to stop his thoughts and actions. It was very sensitively done but I didn't find much sympathy for the character. I just found it very frightening because I cannot tap into that mindset or psychology and therefore don't understand why it's so hard to resist the temptation. There's the hatred too. I don't really hate anybody but I can't help but hate paedophiles. In the end, even though free and wanting to remain free, he reverted to his previous behaviour. Very sad.

dylan said...

Just read M21s comment and all I can say is oh dear, oh dear! :)

Also, ST thinks her abusive poster was one of us and that she knows who it is! PMSL! ST - your powers of deduction are so not what you think they are. But it was quite a funny post anyway. Bless!

xx

dylan said...

Off for a bit now. Cleaning and cooking awaits - lucky me!

Have a nice evening all, if I don't get a chance to come back tonight, I'll catch up in the morning. (have my yummy man over at 8 and no children until the morning!)

xx

Di said...

Dyl

Pleeeease too much information, enjoy your evening..

Off now myself, I will try and look in later.

Stonemaid said...

Hello Nancy

Happy Birthday.

You said: "but suffice to say that my favourite era was the swinging sixties when my wardrobe consisted of pelmet sized skirts and dresses along with knee high white boots!!"

Ahhhhh, I remember it well - especially the white boots and the fake-fur coat!!!!!!

Hope your celebrations went well and you enjoyed yourself.

Stonemaid

docmac said...

Courage , humility, honesty, humour, self-deprecation. Gerry McCann, you could learn some lessons from this lady.

She has a decent chance for a medal too. The only event of Beijing 2008 I am going to watch. Tomorrow morning, early!

docmac said...

Sorry, Di. My bag is rather full right now. I realise now how heavy a 15kg bag is. I was going to carry it, but I think I'll just chuck it in the boot. There's plenty of room, as I had to use my spare tyre earlier and I haven't replaced it yet.

Stonemaid said...

Doc, A brave and courageous lady indeed is Natalie du Toit. I wish her all the best of luck....

Stonemaid

docmac said...

Isn't she just, Stonemaid. I have been fortunate enough to meet her and she is a quite remarkable young lady. She is also completing a Masters degree in genetics at UCT. Perhaps I should give her a call when she gets back. We could have a little chat about DNA markers :-))

Di said...

Doc

Thank you for shareing Natalie's story with us. I am ashamed to say I have not heard of her before. As Stonemaid says a very courageous lady and I wish her all the best..

docmac said...

No shame in that Di. 40% of Americans still believe we have to hunt for our supper :-)

Why, only yesterday, bloggers on a well-known hate site were aghast at the fact that world news actually reaches SA on the same day as it does over there, sometimes even sooner. Actually, let me correct that. I think they were amazed that world news even reaches us over here at all.

Di said...

Just seen this article on 3A's posted by Mazza...


"Now's revealing insight into how Kate McCann's coping without her daughter"

Usual magazine dross and not the first time this magazine has been biased towards the McCann's - will have to cancel my subscription!

Includes gems such as:

The GP has given up her career indefinitely to dedictate her life to finding Maddie. Her days begin at 4am when she starts work on the campaign from her office at the front of the house.

For months, Kate felt guilty if she so much as allowed herself to laugh without Maddie

As the twins get older and ask more questions, Kate's always frank about the fact that Maddie's gone and the family are doing everything in their power to find her. In fact, she recently made a decision to put up lots of new pictures of Madeleine around the house. But it still breaks her heart when Sean and Amelie innocently include Madeleine in their games and chat to their big sister on their toy mobile phones.

She goes to pray in Madeleine's room every night

She is now leading the hunt and is constantly at her computer emailing contacts

During the day she rarely ventures out

blah blah blah

And 'the letdowns in the case' detailing the blunders of the Portuguese police. I am going to email them to correct/enlighten them on a few points!


Sorry!!!

For months Kate felt guilty if she so much as allowed herself to laugh without Maddie!!!

Well I think a few of us here would disagree with that!!

Di said...

I should have said the bit from sorry!!! were my remarks..

dylan said...

Di, lol! and sorry! That was meant for the Pros who seemed to take great delight in my man troubles when this blog was private! In all honesty, we're just having dinner and a few games of pool. He's got to be home earlyish as he has a very early start tomorrow! Kids are out because littlest has sleep-over party, Laura is staying at her boyfriend's (with parents present) and Ryan is away in N Wales :(

Docmac, on a very swift break but will look at Natalie's story tomorrow.

Di, aw poor Kate. I wonder what she is praying for in Madeleine's bedroom?

Hi Stonemaid & anyone else I've missed.

BFN. catch you again in the morning or maybe later this eve.

xx

docmac said...

Enjoy the date Dyl. Did you remember to have a last minute shave? It never hurts :-)

Di said...

Dyl, I was only jokeing, enjoy your evening :o)))

Doc.

You are incorrigible :o)))

Di said...

Off now

Workmen back in the morning first thing...:o((

Enjoy your evening everyone..

Cláudia said...

Doc, the ugly one can read? ;-)
I have a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who read the files and who said that apart from no indications whatsoever that they were in any way involved in what happened to Madeleine and that they were very responsible parents, the files also say that while they were staying in Portugal they helped the poor, the elderly and the children and they are also said to have performed a miracle or two in their free time. :-)

Inspiring story, without a doubt. Go natalie!

docmac said...

Those Mcs really got around then Claudia. And here I thought that after concealing a body, enjoying a few bottles and then sleeping it off while the townsfolk searched they spent the rest of the time

playing tennis,

jogging,

getting out the begging bowls,

setting up a retirement fund,

organising meetings with important people they hoped would provide either an alibi or an absolution,

hiring extradition attornies

and searching for lost wallets, mobiles and watches. Just the important lost stuff you know.


I see that Kate gets up at 4am nowadays to search for her daughter on the computer. Why?

Joe said...

This Mum21 person,has read 20,000+ pages and there is nothing to indicate anything against K&G. Why did KM have so much trouble in answering the 48 questions then, why all the deceit from the so unhelpful Tapas 9, where ever did that cadaver smell in 2 of the apartments that the Mccanns stayed in come from? Cut down on the Enid Blyton is my advice and try and stay sober. All IMO.

Cláudia said...

Doc, that last one was enough for at least four days of hysteria on the shit hole! Way to go! :-)

Joe, LOL

Joe said...

Pinky has been reading Enid Blyton as well, this from Womans Own magazine....a quote from Pinky.

'she could be with a Romany family, it's unusual but not completely rare!

Cláudia said...

Joe, she could also have been abducted by aliens. It can't be proved, but it's not unheard of. There are hundreds of people who swear they were abducted by aliens.
That man (for lack of a better word) can't sink any lower. I wish he would bump into one of those Romany families. One who had read his statement and who was in a particular bad mood.

Joe said...

Claudia,

Looks like they are doing the rounds of Womens magazines getting paid I will bet. Are the tablods getting tired of them and the sightings are not working. A risky strategy IMO as women will question the parenting methods and not be fooled by BS. Still if it keeps Pinky in pink shirts and whatever else.

Cláudia said...

Joe, I can't believe they py the pink one to speak such crap. sometimes it seems he is working against them.

Cláudia said...

*pay

nancy said...

Hi everyone -

I just got back from my birthday party (al fresco) with plenty of wine, good food and company - wish you could all have been there too! I feel you are all my friends having spoken to you every day!

Thank you all for your good wishes!

See you all tomorrow!

PS.Docmac - the boobs are virtually in the same position, but then they were never much of a problem - small is beautiful they say!!!

God Bless

Nancy xx

docmac said...

Good to hear, Nancy :-)
Sounds like you had a great time.

Sleep well.

docmac said...

*pay

hope4truth said...

Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Nancy
Happy Birthday to you

Hope I have not missed you pleased you had a nice day xxxx

Anonymous said...

Di,

Do you have a link to the Womans Own magazine article. This man cannot be allowed to suggest what he is suggesting. I find that comment racist. I am going to contact Joseph Jones, vice-chairman of the Southern England Romany, gypsy and Irish Traveller Network.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2772685.html?menu=news.quirkies

Look what happened when a comment was made on the Basil Brush show!

Read you all tomorrow.

docmac said...

It was Joe who made the post about Womans Own, Zodiac.

Cláudia said...

Doc, you have mail.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Docmac.

Joe said...

The only link I have for the Womans Own is a 3A thread, as I do not think the article is online.......

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=22167

docmac said...

Mum21 (the name caller) said:

"The attorney general said: 'The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has been archived as no evidence was discovered of ANY crime committed by the arguidos'."

Wrong, again

The press release by Mr Monteiro actually stated:

Por despacho com data de hoje (21.07.2008) proferido pelos dois magistrados do Ministério Público competentes para o caso, foi determinado o arquivamento do inquérito relativo ao desaparecimento da menor Madeleine McCann, por não se terem obtido provas da prática de qualquer crime por parte dos arguidos

You get it, Mum? "provas da prática". Literally, sufficient PROOF. There is NO evidence of the word "indicia", which means EVIDENCE anywhere. I know you are a pro and want everything to be sweeter and nicer than yet another rainy day in Bracklesham Bay, but you really should stop making things up or putting your personal interpretation on them. Here is the press release in full. Please tell me where the hell you found what you so confidently stated. An apology will not be accepted, as you have turned into such a whining WUM:

NOTA PARA A COMUNICAÇÃO SOCIAL
I

Por despacho com data de hoje (21.07.2008) proferido pelos dois magistrados do Ministério Público competentes para o caso, foi determinado o arquivamento do inquérito relativo ao desaparecimento da menor Madeleine McCann, por não se terem obtido provas da prática de qualquer crime por parte dos arguidos.

II

Cessa assim a condição de arguido de Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat, Gerald Patrick McCann e Kate Marie Healy, declarando-se extintas as medidas de coacção impostas aos mesmos.

III

Poderão ter lugar a reclamação hierárquica, o pedido de abertura de instrução ou a reabertura do inquérito, requeridos por quem tiver legitimidade para tal.

IV

O inquérito poderá vir a ser reaberto por iniciativa do Ministério Público ou a requerimento de algum interessado se surgirem novos elementos de prova que originem diligências sérias, pertinentes e consequentes.

V

Decorridos que sejam os prazos legais, o processo poderá ser consultado por qualquer pessoa que nisso revele interesse legítimo, respeitados que sejam o formalismo e limites impostos por le

docmac said...

Oh, sorry Claudia. I was a bit preooccupied and missed you there. Thanks, I have it. lol!!

docmac said...

That'll be preoccupied without the two eyes.

Anonymous said...

Joe,

Thanks. I had a look. It is not available on-line. I have sent an e-mail FTAO Joseph G. Jones to:

info@gypsy-association.com

I am shcoked that in this day and age a UK magazine can print what I consider to be a Racist comment. I believe there is no evidence to suggest abduction yet this man can freely say in mag she could be with Romany people. Where is the evidence to suggest this!

Anonymous said...

'shocked'

docmac said...

That'll be shocked without the two eyes then, Zodiac :-)

Cláudia said...

Hey, Doc!
The ugly one doesn't even understand it in English and you tell her to read it in a foreign language? What a generous soul you are :-)

Anonymous said...

My two eyes are tired. As ICTOAN has said before 'I am off to study the inside of my eye lids'.

Tattie bye all!

docmac said...

Claudia

She needs an honest translator, doesn't she!

It continues to amaze me how these people unquestioningly swallow nonsense that they read from one or two biased co-posters and don't actually engage second gear. These folks were not inquisitive as kids, obviously.

docmac said...

Night, Zodiac. You had no mistake. I was mocking myself!

Or was it a clever clue???

Cláudia said...

Doc, these people were kids? :-)

docmac said...

Claudia, lol! Very cosseted ones, yes.

I'm off to bed. Boa noite amiga :-)

Unknown said...

Ah the truth according to Mum 21, what a laugh, I am suspecting you did not do her translating for her Claudia:-)))

Cláudia said...

Viv, "do her" and "Mum21" in the same sentence? It's late. I am planning to sleep here. :-)

Doc, na. I can't believe they were.
Dorme bem, querido amigo. Beijinhos.

docmac said...

Hi Viv

I need to get up in 3 hours to watch Natalie swim for a medal. Well, I hope she gets a top 10 finish anyway. I'm going to be a bit of a zombie later. I may even have a go at being a pro. No wait, that's going to far.

Those people believe anything that fits their pre-conceived notions about this case, don't they?

Night x

dylan said...

I cannot believe that I have done it AGAIN!! - posted without signing in - arrrgghh!

Nancy - so glad you had a wonderful birthday. I wish I could have been there too.

Docmac - you cheeky monkey. Didn't the pros tell you I'm a hippy and don't shave???

I have it on good family authority that I'm of Romany Gipsy descendancy so Pinky has really offended me now, mark my words (and lucky heather!)

Anyone still awake as I can't sleep!

xx

dylan said...

G'night doc and good luck to Natalie
xx

dylan said...

G'night doc and good luck to Natalie
xx

docmac said...

Why did you kick him out, Dyl? Did he eat his prawns with the shells still on? Did he give you that lavicious look while sucking up a noodle? Did he have a Magnum moustache? Did he wear a pink shirt?

Have to go, but had to ask :-)))

Unknown said...

Claudia Hun, it must have been a Freudian slip, does Mum21 live near the sea, you know I think she does:-)))

Dillie,

I went for an afternoon nap and not long woke up, so I am wide awake:-)))

Unknown said...

Doc, sorry but who is Natalie? Am I still asleep?

Unknown said...

In this transcript of Sky interviewing the gruesome twosome in May 2007, Gerry says that the chances of Madeleine being abducted are 100 million to one, well you said it Gez, as the chances of winning the lottery are only 14M to one, maybe you should have tried that route!

Warning: he talks about it being no different to being in the backgarden and suggests if they were in bed it could still have happened and says it as a great "family holiday" up till that point. What with Kate screaming at night and sleeping with the kids, and the kids wailing on their own, how bad does it have to be, Gez?


http://www.skynewstranscripts.co.uk/transcript.asp?id=362

docmac said...

Viv, see post at 18.16

Nite.

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, guys.
Inside of eyelid study time for me too. :-)
Doc and Viv, beijinhos.

dylan said...

Docmac, lol! I would tell all but can't ;-)

Hiya Viv! Glad you are still awake.
It'll take me a while to come down from cloud 9! Not used to being treated well.

I've just had a read on STs. New thread: "Thank you mole". Looks like they've had a ball with me and my blip! Apparently I've endangered my children by naming names, where I study and oooh! sin of sins - admitting that I posted whilst inebriated. What a crime. Maybe I should seek help from JaneGT!

Well ST, quite frankly, I'm more concerned that you have my details from my email I sent you ages ago than from exposure to anybody else on the www. You can publish and say what you like about me. Go ahead, be my guest, I'm not bothered. I always know where my chidren are, I never leave them on their own, oh and btw, when I did get drunk, I had no children in my charge. So sue me sweetie. I see what you have done as nothing less than a betrayal of confidence that I gave to you some months ago.

I have had one of the worst years of my life whilst trying to work the hardest I have ever done and this is all for my own and my children's future. When you have been beaten and bullied all of your life, shouted at, strangled (attempted) given black eyes, subjected to porn that you weren't consenting to, kicked, punched and had heavy objects thrown at you then yes, I conceded you could quite possibly empathise with me but if you did then you wouldn't be such a bi*ch to me on your site.

I still love my dad despite everything. So much so that I'd happily die to protect him.

Go crawl back into your hole and stop picking on me. I'm not ashamed of having a couple of weeks of abject despair and if you have any heart at all, you'd take down that nastiness you've published just so as you can get off on it.

Unknown said...

Hiya Dillie

I have read ST's new post and can only say it is a testament to what a sick, prying pervert he/she really is. Words absolutely fail me. How like it to threaten to track your children down! I do not believe you have provided any information that would enable that and if that did happen then we would know full well where to look!

Take Care
Viv xxxxxxx

dylan said...

Viv, I didn't think so either. Nobody has knocked at my door yet and it's been weeks. I will now assume that if anybody does, it will be because of the Thing!

I'm just gobsmacked. Not upset but absolutely dumbfounded! I have a very naiive faith in humanity but, alas this kind of cancerous rot that ST is propogating leaves me speechless! OK so lots of terrible things go on in the world and we try to internalise stuff but when it's aimed directly at yourself, that process is difficult. Have to remind myself that it's not personal and despite names and all, she really doesn't know me!

xx

Unknown said...

Hiya Dillie

The reality is that there is nothing they can say to change the way that Kate and Gerry McCann behaved or what people think of them. The only thing they can do is to try to be so obnoxious to people that they stop commenting about them. To that end these sick people have even abused my parrot.

I hold them in utter contempt and nothing they say or do would stop me from continuing to comment on this case so that the public are aware of precisely what they did and how culpable they are. The more they attack me and my posters the more I know we are getting to them. When people are seriously losing that is all they have left, to be personally abusive, such empty and embittered characters in a way have my pity.

What normal person would scrutinise someone else's blog, even brag about it, purely with the aim of criticising members of it, what life must this person have, a life like Kate and Gerry McCanns for a guess, whereas you have a great full and normal life as do your children.

Viv xxxxxx

dylan said...

Viv, Bravo!

I don't really care about the threats. I'm actually not a wuss & I won't let them stop me from having a voice against what I believe to be wrong, neglectful and heartless. Therefore, I shall not stop blogging here because I refuse to be bullied and goaded!

It says something about a site dedicated to slagging off other's opinions. This site is a haven of peace in which we can have our say and the "we" includes any nation that wishes to join in and post. My grandfathers and two uncles fought to keep this country free and I'm not about to forget that, www or not! I will not be gagged and I know my children are quite safe :)

dylan said...

....and poor Nanday - what did he ever to to cause such vexation? ;-)

Tell him from me he's a very pretty polly!
xx

dylan said...

Viv,

Think I'm finally starting to feel tired so I may wend my way up to bed now. Goodness only knows how you stay up so late!

Goodnight and sleep well. Don't let your builder slack!
xx

docmac said...

"There were many disturbing posts, copies of which we have collected along with screenshots of some of the worse posts.

He was in the same class as Rosie then.

Dyl, you have nothing to be concerned about. I can reel off thousands of 'celebs' whose children's names have appeared almost daily in the press and internet at one time or another. Jade Baddy, Angelina Fatlips, Wacko Jackson, Gwyneth Thicko, Bob Getoff, Tony B'liar, QE11.... I don't see them being stalked, except by the pathetic paps, do you?

I have even named my own kids on other fora. Should I be ashamed? No, I'm proud of my children and they would never be afraid of me doing so. Remember Rosie's rant about some random guy hanging about near where she had her alleged grandchildren? What a paranoid bunch this lot are. They are instilling 'values' and insecurities in their offspring that can only be harmful in the long term.

F*ck 'em!!

hope4truth said...

LOL

Just read on Trolls that I got nastier when we were underground (never said I was nice)..

Dont they realise I got nastier as Madeleine the victim was being forgoten more and more and CM was spinning like a mad man?

And after reading the simple questions Kate would not answer (to try and help her daughter) including one about handing her over to a family member and the one discusting answer she did answer knowing she was not helping made me very angry...

Had nothing to do with going underground I was more convinced than ever that they are lying and their daughter was the last thing on their selfish minds...

If Gerry thinks she hasnt been harmed why tell the world over and over again she is in the hands of peadophiles as if she is the poor little girl would have been or is going through hell...

I am not being groomed to be nasty the more I see their smiling happy faces days after they say she was taken the sicker I feel..

The Cadaver evidence is very strong yet they are not worried their abductor may have killed her.

Sick to the core the pair of them...

God bless Madeleine because many people dont seem to even think about her.

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope

Well a read of the comments on ST's blog and those on here will soon sort out who the nasty people are! Personally, I have never seen anything so vindictive and unpleasant as that site!

It is very sad that the cause of justice for a little girl who the police confirm tragically died on 3/5/07 can produce such malevolence in certain people.

Kate McCann has demonstrated time and again that she is simply not prepared to assist the police in finding out what happened to her daughter. Even the issue of her wanting to give Madeleine to a relative might have had an innocent explanation but she has refused to provide one. She indicated she would be prepared to take a lie detector test to prove she is telling the truth but then when offered the opportunity to do so, refused. Small wonder she is implicated in the death and disposal of her child. Particularly when you listen to her seeking to rationalise why she chose to leave her (and her even tinier brother and sister) again and again. On 1 May Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine crying for one hour and fifteen minutes, that crying stopped at 11.45 when they returned home, so they obviously knew she had been crying. On 2 May Madeleine and Sean were crying yet again, Madeleine remonstrated with her mother about this, but she just went and left her again. This is the actions of a very wicked and heartless woman who is not fit to be in charge of tiny children or any children for that matter. Children always require care and concern, my own still get that even now they are adults! It is a natural thing that loving parents wish to provide to their children.

I hope that in time LP and others unravel sufficient information to charge Kate and Gerry McCann and any others involved in her abuse and death, that is the least we can expect.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND ALL ABUSED LITTLE CHILDREN XXXX

dylan said...

Cheers Doc, Hope and Viv.

I'm not that worried. i just found it particularly nasty. And they say Hope got nasty??? No way! As Hope & Viv say, the actions of parents who abandon their children to B****r off out on the booze, particularly since they knew Madeleine had been crying, and then "lose" one of them, does tend make decent human beings angry.

Poor little Madeleine. She's the reason for this blog and we all want justice for her. ST should change the title of her blog to:
"Nasty, stinking slag-fest about bloggers that we have an unhealthy obsession with.com"

Hope, thanks for the email. I did have a lovely evening. It was so nice that I couldn't sleep for hours afterwards because I didn't want to go to sleep and wake up realising it was all a dream! :-)))

Viv, yes, let's hope that the LP are working very hard.

xx

dylan said...

Doc, Bob Getoff - lol!! :)

nancy said...

Good morning everyone -

Hope - thanks for the birthday song!!

Viv - you are so right about that site - it literally heaves with venom and after you've read it you feel as though you need a good shower!


Nx

nancy said...

I just read about Kate's strange behaviour on the night of the 3rd (on the McCann files) which is part of Fiona Paynes evidence; that she put her fingers close to the twins noses to see if they were still breathing. I think you possibly discussed this while I was on holiday, but to me it speaks volumes to support the theory that all three of the children were sedated and Madeleine didn't wake up.

Just why the authorities have not followed this evidence up beggars belief!! I know it doesn't actually prove anything, but you'd have to be a fool not to think that her testing the twins for breathing didn't have something to do with the disappearance of Madeleine!

These two seem to have everyone involved in this case, including the media, dangling like puppets on a string!

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