31 Jul 2008

ZODIAC'S FORTHCOMING THREAD ON 3A

Zodiac said...
Hi all,

I posted this on the existing thread on 3 A's site today, I do not know how to start a new thread there.

She said she would definately be able to recognize him again as he has a distinctive walk, it looks like he is doing the highland fling, she would recognize him any where despite not being able to see his face. Continued.......

The gang and l discussed this for a few minutes more and decided we would keep a closer eye on our valuables.
The next night was a lovely evening and we were all invited to Stu Pidder's garden for drinks and dinner. I was the fist to arrive (as usual) I sat and enjoyed a few glasses of wine with Stu and Ida, I was starting to feel a little tipsy as I had already drunk half a bottle wine whilst I was reading posts from some forums and blogs I visit, before I headed out for my 'me time'. The rest of the gang started to arrive and the food was served. Stu and Ida always put on a good spread, not to be missed under any circumstances. We started talking about the incident regarding my laptop. We were all disgusted with what had happened. Xavier and Sue were so worried that the same could happen to them so they brought their baby monitor with them. I thought it must be a really good one to work from that far away, wish I had one of those. I told the gang that I asked my son if he had heard anything last night and that I had explained to him someone had been in the house took my laptop used it and put it back. He said well the window in the Study must have been open and the breeze must have been making it move cos it was squeaking and I woke up, it also woke up Sian and she was crying and then I started crying. Where were you anyway? he asked then ran off to play. I thought to myself my other little one Louis, bless him slept through everything. This surprised me that my kids sleep was disturbed, they are normally bathed cleaned nappies for Sian and Louis and the best PJ's money can buy for Marty then a nice cup of warm milk and they are out like lights before their heads touch the pillow and not a peep out of them until 8am. Gosh time flies when you are enjoying yourself. Hey what time is it I asked (I did not have a watch on) ER..UM...OH..can you believe it nobody had a watch on tonight...well has anybody got their mobile...ER..UM...OH..nobody had a mobile phone either, Stu do you mind nipping in and finding out the time for me hun cos I think it is time I did a check on my house. Sorry Amya all our clocks are broken, we do not have a TV that displays the time, we do not have a land line phone and we left our mobiles at work. It was dark, the garden was lovely and cosy with the lights from the candles and the logs burning in the Chimnea. I felt so relaxed and the thought of get up and doing a check was the last thing I wanted to do, Ida was just about to serve her prize winning Pavlova if I checked now I would be back in time for a lovely big slice of it, before this greedy gang scoffed the lot. Right guys I am off to check my house, you can all check your own. I practically ran the 100mts (approx, I really should check the distance) to my house, the thought of the Pavlova had my taste buds tingling, I could almost taste it. When I got home I checked the time, my Rolex was lying on the table. FFS it was 10pm. I left at 8pm oh no wait was it 8.30pm, what time did I put the cherubs to sleep oh I cannot remember, I think Dolly did a check earlier on anyway. Or maybe she didn't, was it tonight we were going to be responsible for checking our own homes. Well I do not believe it, I am totally disgusted this is a disaster. Where is my laptop? I left it sitting safely on the study desk. The Laptop Snatcher has taken it...again! I opened the little window in the study and looked out onto to the driveway to see if he had climed out there, maybe I disturbed him when I came in through the diningroom unlocked patio doors. I think he must have been hiding behind the study door last night when I did my check. What a fly bu**ger he is. I checked behind the Study door.....nope...he wasn't there. I was bursting for the loo I nipped upstairs, just made it in time..all this drinking a glass of water with every glass of wine plays havoc with my bladder. I must have had 7 or 8 glasses of water so far tonight. As I was sitting there I thought OMG I will have to check if my precious...diamond ring has not been taken! I quickly washed my hands. I checked my make-up, thank goodness I did cos my mascara was all blotchy so I fixed that, my hair looked a little frizzy so I switched on the straighteners and fixed it. Well I could not go back to Stu and Ida's looking like that, I do have a reputation to uphold. I checked my jewellery box..thank you God...thank you God, my ring was still there. I checked everywhere there was no sign of my laptop. I sat in the Study at my desk. Everything was so neat and tidy just as I had left it. Little Mousie Mouse had been placed on the shelf above the desk. I never put him there, he is always sitting on his little comfy mouse mat. Well I could feel the tears well up. I took little Mousie and placed him on his pad. I just stood there standing over him and looking at him, then a single tear rolled down my cheek and splat landed on Mousie. I got some anti-bacterial wipes and gave him a good clean. I cleaned everywhere else in the Study, it was so clean and smelled so nice. I must have been at home for about 10-15 mins. OMG ! A horrible thought entered my head, those greedy barstewards will have eaten all the Pavlova. I quickly ran back to Stu's, thank God they had left me a lovely big slice of Pavlova...mmm...passion fruit my fav. Guys...guys..put my Pavlova in a tupperware I'll take it home...the Laptop Snatcher has taken my laptop and he has not brought it back...what should I do...I mean he could be on all sorts of sites looking, reading and posting goodness knows what. OMG what should I do? We all went back to my house and had a good look round. Do you think we should phone the Police I said. Pop Sickle said I think we should wait to see if he comes back with it, maybe phone in about 30 mins or so. Pop Sickle is brilliant, you know after a few glasses of wine, some cocktails and I take my contacts out, in the candle light he really is quite handsome as long as he does not speak. I phoned my Mum. Mum...Mum...someone has been in the house and taken my laptop. Well she p'd me off right away asking me questions...how did someone get in...what do you mean you left the doors unlocked...where were you...are you stupid or what, I thought you had more sense than that...who was watching the kids.. are they OK, hold on Mum I'll just check. Yes they are all tucked up safely, sleeping sound. Right Mum I've got to go there is a Policeman here wanting to speak to me. Who phoned the Police I asked? I did said Xavier, your next door neighbour was snooping about so I told her everything was in hand and to clear off this our business and nobody else's, we will deal with it. I was rather surprised it was just a Bobby on the beat that arrived..do they not know who I am..I mean..I'm..Amya Moron. He seemed rather confused as if he did not believe what I was telling him. He was starting to annoy me, I felt like telling him to go away. I heard him radio the station and ask for Detective Avery Goodbook to call and question me. Who T Fk is that I thought! I picked up Mousie Mouse for comfort, I started chewing on the cable nervously, at one point I thought I might chew right throught it. It seemed like ages until Det Avery Goodbook arrived, I knew right away I did not like him, he kept asking me about my kids and who was watching them. What was his problem? I told him I was having dinner in Stu Pidder's garden which is actually like dining in my own back garden as I can see the rooftop of my house from there. Look I said you are avoiding the issue my laptop has been taken by the Laptop Snatcher and he could be posting all sorts with my IP Address. At this point Pop Sickle said look this is very boring to keep going on about the kids, someone has gone into a house and taken a laptop, what are you going to do about that. Det. Avery Goodbook still did not looked convinced and was puzzled that my kids could sleep through all this noise. I said I needed the loo. On the way up I took my bag with me. I took out my mobile and phoned my Pr Spokesperson/Solicitor (what everyone has one ) The Great Boabie Puller. I gave a huge sigh of relief he was on his way and he would deal with everthing, thank heaven for Boabie.

My witnesses for all the occassions that my laptop was used without my permission are:

Stu Pidder and his partner Ida Nyit.
Patty O'Furniture and her partner Pop Sickle.
Xavier Breath and his partner Sue Cherself.
Dolly Dimple and her partner Hyman Idiot.
And of course not forgetting my PR rep should I need one Boabie Puller.



Hint: At the bottom of any page on 3A just click the 'new topic' button.

93 comments:

docmac said...

Viv, you've been hacked. See the following written by Rosiepops on ST's blog.

Bored with being a mere Nuclear Physicist and the study of Theoretical Physics, Notadoc goes on to master; *Obstetrics...*Gynaecology...*Neonatal Medicine AND Surgery...*Paediatrics...*Orthodontics (hi 'Mark'!!!)...*DNA...*Forensic Science...*Anthropology...*Criminal Behaviour...*Psychology...*Psychiatry...*Linguistics...*Internet crime...*Libel Law...*IT Science...*IP Addresses...*Criminal Law...*Other People's Grammar...*Other People's Spelling...*Just about every Sport known to mankind and also let us not forget, he is also complicit with the life and times of buffalo behaviour.

Never mentioned the buffalo on any other sites. Hi Gerry, come and get me! lololol!!!

Zodiac said...

YEH! Just posted the thread. I think it might be you I have to thank Docmac.

dylan said...

Docmac, that's quite scary or maybe it was just a good guess ;)

BFN

xx

Zodiac said...

Doc,

They always slip up dont they. Just realised the blog was a closed blog when you posted the Buffalo link.

Ecolab said...

Zodiac et all

About Doc`s buffalo link!

I think,it was linked twice by Doc? Inbetween the two links Doc sended, I think, Viv made the blog "hidden"?
Doc did re-send the link, because a poster(do`nt recall who it was) did`nt see the video the first time, and did ask Doc to send it again.
I think, I`m right!

Doc - do ya remember when(the dates)you did send the Buffalo Link

docmac said...

Don't remember the cate of the first time Ecolink. I think the blog was closed by then though.

But if it had been in 'open' time it would just prove again that Rosiepops is a liar anyway. She never stops talking about how she 'doesn't' read this blog.

Ecolab said...

Doc: In the thread "PJ INVESTIGATION are you at 18 July 2008 22:06:00 writing "Oh, here you are, blush! I just posted on the other thread, so re-post it here.

Oh fantastic, fantastic, fantastic! I had lost the link to this video. Read this page from the DM, but then take a look at . . . ".

You ar right about one thing. Rosie is a liar. She is reading ANYTHING she has acces to and bully her way through the rest!

docmac said...

Oh no :-)))))

I mean 'date' and 'Ecolab', sorry!!

Ecolab said...

Doc: That`s okay - I`ll put you back on My `Will´ list.

;-))

Stonemaid said...

Zodiac - I have just read the continuation of your story about the laptop thief operating in your neighbourhood (posted by Doc from the 3As site). Your story-telling abilities are quite brilliant and I am longing for the next instalment. It is all so funny and so clever!!

Thank you!

Doc - you are making me think you are worried about Rosieplops hacking this site - surely not???!!!

Stonemaid

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Someone needs to comment on 3A about zodiac's new story as it has slipped to the middle of page 2 of the active topics menu. I have done it once so another intervention from me so soon would look obvious. It has been merged with the original Hillarious defence thread.

Ecolab said...

What do you think of this????


"31.7.08
There will be no full access to Madeleine's investigation files
“Some informations” in the investigation files, concerning Madeleine McCann disappearance, will remain under secrecy law, the Public Prosecutor's Office (Procuradoria-Geral da República) confirmed today. A request to keep some specific information confidential was made and the judge in charge of the case, Mr. Pedro Frias, accepted the request and declared those informations to remain under secrecy law, a spokeswoman from Procuradoria-Geral da República confirmed. Those “informations are not considered evidence”, the spokeswoman added. It was not possible to know who has made the request.

Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis"

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

There is speculation that as it is not evidence it may be names and addresses of people who have made witness statements.

Ecolab said...

ICTOAN:

Or maybee a list of British paedophiles living in Allgarve?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ecolab

Yes, I forgot that speculation.

Stonemaid said...

Ecolab, I am glad that some information is being held back from the Teflon Duo...

In today's Express there is a comment as follows:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/54848/Parents-blamed-for-downward-spiral-of-discipline-in-schools

“More and more people are self-centred individuals rather than community-minded and they are not prepared to share the pleasure of bringing up children.”

We all know some people to whom this applies!

Ecolab said...

McCanns and lawyers are very busy, but NOT in looking for Madeleine.



20,000 pages
DAILY EXPRESS Thursday July 31,2008

ratonthebeam said...

That's funny. I thought it was only the arguido status that was stopping them!

Hope everyone is all well and happy. I just got back this morning so I am still catching up.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

I heard that the earth moved for you!

Joe said...

One thing is for sure the files will probably be the bones and script of books and films for the duo.

Will the public get to see these files or has a law been passed to protect that information as well?

Ecolab said...

Joe:
I posted a link yesterday for downloading the files in pdf. Shall I find it for you? English wersion

Joe said...

Ecolab,

Thank you I would be most grateful. All this broke when I was in of all places Portugal for 2 weeks and I sort of lost track of events and info.

regards

Joe.

ratonthebeam said...

Hi ICTOAN.... it certainly did, but only about 2 on the Richter Scale!!! Mind you, that was after the forest fire, the thunderstorms, the lizard in the bed, the ants on the balcony and Clarence on Turkish telly. Apart from that it was pretty uneventful.

Ecolab said...

Joe ..please here it comes - take care, and dont be lost in the 100000 pages ;-))
1)PJ Report English Translation.pdf

2)PJ report vs. Amaral's book - a comparison in three parts


Part I
Maddie: find the differences between the PJ’s report and the book

The text by Gonçalo Amaral reports on various details from the investigation which are not contained in the report from the Polícia Judiciária. But the latter is only a summary of the process

The report from the Polícia Judiciária that led to the archiving of the process on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and the book by Gonçalo Amaral: “Maddie: The truth of the lie” have differences, but they also coincide. ‘PortugalDiário’ offers you information about some of the items in both documents.

Time of the facts:

PJ’s report: The alert about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the moment when Kate McCann announces that Maddie was abducted, occurred, according to the data that was collected by the PJ, between 10.00 and 10.10 p.m. on the evening of the 3rd of May. But the same report refers that “the facts”, according to witness statements, took place between 9.05 and 10.00 p.m.

Book: In the book from the former inspector of the Polícia Judiciária, who coordinated the investigation during six months, it is referred that: “The discussion within the investigation team, including the English colleagues, was objective and allowed for an important conclusion: the alarm about the disappearance could not have been given at 10 p.m. It happened before that time”. According to Amaral, for the investigation, the time of the facts is located “between 9.30 and 10.00 p.m., based on the testimonies given by employees of the “Tapas” restaurant.

The window

PJ’s report: The report from the Polícia Judiciária refers that “only” fingerprints from Madeleine’s mother were detected on the bedroom window through which, allegedly, the minor disappeared. The document indicates that “dactylar residues” were detected on the window frame.

Book: In the book by the former PJ [agent], the issue of the window and the depositions concerning it, appears as central. According to the book, “on the window, there were no signs of forcing or of gloves, and it had been cleaned the day before, by the employee that had cleaned the apartment. The only fingerprints that were found on it belong to Kate Healy. The sense and the position of the fingers that were imprinted on the window indicate a movement of opening it to the left”.

Book: For Gonçalo Amaral, the contradictions within the group of friends, concerning this point, always reveal that someone is lying: “As someone would end up saying, one part of the solution of this investigation resides on that window. The truth about the window will always deny someone from the group”.

PJ’s report: It should be noted that the doubts about the window are shared with the Polícia Judiciária. The report mentions that the reconstitution of the facts would allow to “clarify extremely important details, among other things”: “The situation concerning the window of the bedroom where Madeleine slept, with the twins, which was open, according to Kate. It became necessary to clarify whether there was a draft, because the movement of curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which would eventually be visible through a reconstitution”.


Part II
Maddie and the Smith family

During the investigation into the Maddie case, thousands of information about sightings of the child on diverse points of the world appeared. Several leads concerning suspicious individuals that were seen in the resort’s surroundings before and on the day of the disappearance were also followed. But only two reports about the evening of the facts reached the police: they both state that a man carrying a child was seen on that evening.

PJ’s report: One of those reports is by Jane Tanner and has been widely reported. The other one, less media-exposed, comes from the Smith family. In the PJ’s report it is said: “The testimony from Mr Smith reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, on one of the streets that access the beach, appeared. It was said that the child could be Madeleine McCann, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, this witness alleged that by the way [the manner in which he held one of the twins], the individual that carried the child could be Gerald McCann, and this was concluded when he saw him walk down the stairs from an airplane. But it was established that at the time that was mentioned, Gerald was sitting at the table, in the Tapas restaurant”. The document does not refer the source of that information, whether it came from the group of friends, or from the employees at the “Tapas”.

Book: According to Gonçalo Amaral, this family came to Portugal, on the 26th of May, in a secret operation, that brought the patriarch and two of his adult children into the PJ in Portimão. They all confirmed that they saw a man carrying a child and the exact spot where they met, at around 10 p.m. The patriarch said it was not Murat, because he knew him, and failed to identify anyone in particular. A situation that changes once the McCanns arrive in England.

Book: “In late September, we find out about that recognition from the Smith family” (…) “We made a decision, to start a logistics operation in order to bring the family witnesses to Portugal again”. (…) “But the Smiths did not come. The Portuguese police, after I leave, changes its mind and opts to request their inquiry through the use of an international cooperation mechanism”. It should be noted that Amaral makes no reference to what had been established by the PJ, that is, that at that time, Maddie’s father was at the “Tapas” restaurant.

Forensics reports

PJ’s report: Concerning the analyses that were sent to England, with residues that were detected by the dogs, in the apartment and in the rented vehicle, the PJ’s report states that the “final results did not corroborate the canine markings, that is, cellular material was collected that failed to be identified as belonging to someone specific, and it was not even possible to establish the quality of that material”, namely “whether it could be blood or any other type of bodily fluid”.

PJ’s report: Nevertheless, the report recognizes that “in a first scientific approach, the possibility of a compatibility between Madeleine’s DNA profile and some of the residues that were collected (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic vehicle that was rented by the McCanns, were in great quantity), was apparent”.

Book: The PJ’s report does not say anything else about the tests. Gonçalo Amaral questions the results from the analyses, but in the end recognizes that they are not evidence, but merely indicia: “The [female] dog signaled the presence of human blood in places where the [male] dog marked cadaver odour (…) Those bodily fluids, according to the FSS [English lab], contained components from Madeleine’s DNA profile”. “At that moment, those results do not constitute material evidence, but mere indicia, which should be added to the indicia that had already been established”.

Book: Less clear would be the analyses on the hair that was found in the car boot. The tests that were performed on those did not arrive at the same time as the rest. Until the date when Amaral left, there were no results. The hair samples were requested from the lab, but it “didn’t want to let go” of the samples.

Part III
What is not in the PJ’s report

The book by Gonçalo Amaral reports on several details from the investigation which are not included in the final report from the Polícia Judiciária. This fact indicates that they were not deemed relevant for the decision on whether or not to archive the process. But the PJ’s report is only a summary of the whole process, where presumably the facts that are reported by the former coordinator of the investigation can be found, and probably others.

The facts that are described by Gonçalo Amaral that are not present in the report are:

Phone records, calls made and received, from the mobile phones that belong to Kate and Gerry on the evening of the disappearance were reportedly erased.

The information concerning the McCanns that was requested from the English authorities on the day of the disappearance, never arrived.

According to the PJ, the information concerning the debit and credit cards belonging to the couple was never supplied, either.

PJ’s report: loose ends

The PJ’s report concludes that the reconstitution of the facts would be “important”, but could not be carried out due to the refusal from some of the elements of the group. Therefore, the following remains to be clarified:

“The physical, real and effective, proximity between Jane Tanner, Gerald McCann and Jeremy Wilkins, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither Gerald McCann nor Jeremy Wilkins saw her, or the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space”.

“The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by witness Jane Tanner (horizontal)”.

“What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy (at around 10 p.m.)”.

‘PortugalDiário’ reminds you that the process concerning the disappearance of Maddie was archived and that Robert Murat Kate and Gerry McCann stopped being arguidos from the 21st of July onwards. Maddie’s parents have also made it known that they will sue the former PJ employee Gonçalo Amaral following the publication of the book “Maddie: Truth of the Lie”.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

I love laid-back holidays.

Joe said...

Ecolab,

many thanks, a bit of bedtime reading.

ratonthebeam said...

Well, it was our holiday too! :-)

ratonthebeam said...

Oh, and I forgot about getting a fish down my bra after someone threw a bucket of river water on me during a water fight. I think I am in need of another holiday now.

ratonthebeam said...

Doc, you around? WTF is "IT Science?"

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

A new line in keep nets????

Ecolab said...

Off for tonight. I`m thinking of An early Splash-OUT on my King Size waterbed. Well it`s ten o`clock here in Denmark. See ya all tomorrow ;-))

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Nos Da ecolab.

ratonthebeam said...

Goodnight Ecolab. I'm staying off water for the moment :-)

mandarinn said...

Good evening all!
ROTB
Where did you got a vacation with so many events? :))))))

ratonthebeam said...

Turkey - and even there I couldn't escape from the bloomin' McCanns and Clarence, they were all over Turkish telly too!

mandarinn said...

Oh!!! poor you! I was once in turkey and i liked it.
Was on you in any resort, orvisiting the main places?

ratonthebeam said...

Icmeler and Marmaris for a holiday, then Mahmutlar on family business - I own a flat there with my sister.

mandarinn said...

I guess it is not allways that exciting.But... if you participate in a water fight ( it seems it is fashion this year) a fish is adequated. :)))))
Could you understand what they said in turkey about Maddie case?

ratonthebeam said...

Bits of it - I only speak a wee bit of Turkish! They had Robert Murat on one night being interviewed with Max Clifford, saying that he was going to sue some newspapers, but that was all I could make out.

mandarinn said...

Murat won a libel against the newspapers, and he want to sue the maccanns friends who lied to frame him. Hope he won

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

Not sure from your last post whether you are aware that Murat successfully sued and is now after Rachel Oldfield and Fiona Payne,

ICantThinkOfAName said...

mandarinn

You type faster than me.

ratonthebeam said...

Good for him - I did see that the NOTW Overseas edition had printed an apology to him (last Sunday I think it was) - in fact I was pretty mad that Mr Rat went out and paid 12 lira (about £5) for the bloomin' paper, but after seeing that in it, it was 12 lira well spent, I can assure you. I just caught up tonight that he's going after FP and RO now, well good luck to him and I hope JT, the Pink Ponce and the odious Lori Campbell are next on his hit list.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

Again not knowing how up to speed you are, Claudia did a "first day cover' summary of Amaral's book on her blog.

mandarinn said...

ICTOAN
Actually i'm all thumbs :))))

ICantThinkOfAName said...

mandarinn

Even 10 thumbs must be faster than my one finger.

ratonthebeam said...

Thanks folks, I will certainly look at that, as it will prob. be a while before the book comes out in English. I can speak a wee bit Portuguese but not enough to cope with a whole book! And I really, really do want to see what Snr Amaral has to say, So will a lot of other people, hopefully.

mandarinn said...

oday the second edition of "the truth of the lie" was on bookshope windows

mandarinn said...

RAT did you live in portugal, besil or africa?
British who speaks portuguese is a rarety

mandarinn said...

*today

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

Sorry in the last few minutes the blog has closed up, a bit like Alsabella's.

Claudia has gone on holiday.

Cláudia said...

Just wanted to say goodbye, guys.
leaving tomorrow VERY early in the morning!
My blog will be closed while I'm away because I won't be near a computer and want to be safe in case anyone tries to mess with it. And of course, the pros think I'm going into hiding and proving them wrong is also something that makes my day! :-)
Will miss you all!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, no, not like Alsabella's. Mine will be up and running again unless I die during my holiday period. And I'm not counting on that! :-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

What I meant was the display when trying to log in is the same as Alsabella's.

Hope you have as relaxing time as ROTP (see above),

mandarinn said...

Hi Claudia,
you will be back soon after a relaxing vacation , even with more strenght.... against the wishes of ST lolol

ratonthebeam said...

Enjoy your hols Claudia - I hope they are not as "eventful" as mine!
Mandarinn - I speak a bit of the Mozambique sort of Portuguese as I have been involved in charity work there for the past 12 years. I've also been to Portugal and Madeira many times and it is a beautiful and friendly country. I'd recommend it to anyone, especially responsible parents with small children.

mandarinn said...

RAT Thank you

Cláudia said...

Thank you all.
Couldn't resist opening up my blog to leave a little message before I leave, tomorrow. Guess I'll close before I go. :-)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Cláudia said...

Mum21 said...
Hey Guy's (to quote Clawd)

The brainless one has closed her blog and it's now invited readers only..just like Viv's.

One more DOWN.

31 July 2008 22:21
------------------------------------------------------

Tee hee hee. :-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

Looks like you have a brief window to catch Claudia's blog,

Thread is Updated Ouch

viv said...

Ah

Covered in paint and just managed to find a computer in my house that is actually working!

Claudia Hun, have a fantastic holiday, luv you!

Viv xxxxxxxxx

Cláudia said...

Viv, thank you.
I'll get up at 5 am! Ouch!
Will miss you. Luv ya too! :-)

viv said...

Well you know Hun the only time I manage to get out of bed that early without any trouble is when I am going on holiday. Just like a child I still get so excited at the prospect!

I have just downloaded the PJ report from the link Eco kindly put on this thread and am having a good read:-)))

Sorry to all have not had time to be on blog because the house is such turmoil sometimes with no computers/internet

If Rosie is checking in, I say hi bitch:-)))

viv said...

Forgot to mention, cheers Doc for posting Zodiac's second brilliant installment, what an excellant fictional writer, with just a smidging of non-fiction, I love the names, stuppider and saveyourbreath etc! It is brilliant and very funny! Also this could clearly be posted on the WWW and there is bugger all McCanns could say!

What a laugh!




What a larg

Cláudia said...

Hi bitch, from the holiday girl too. :-)

viv said...

oh shit! did I clear the room:-))) x

viv said...

oh hi fellow bitch/holiday girl, where are you going hun?

viv said...

going to get a take out, starving, BBL if anyone is going to be around!

Hun, get some sleep and I will miss you!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Cláudia said...

Viv, one week I'll stay in Portugal, in a very beautiful place with a wonderful beach. If the weather's fine and other peoples' schedules don't interfere, I may have another week out of Portugal or an extended weekend. Depends on other people's commitments. :-)

Cláudia said...

Bye, Viv.
I'll miss you too. :-)

Cláudia said...

And all of you, guys. :-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Viv

As you have had problems with computer access you may have missed this from 3A posted by shadow on Wednesday. The first web reference is interesting:

Forums Under Attack, Blogs will be Next

http://bp0.blogger.com/_mXbRBcSh0gs
/SI4p1nPeZyI/AAAAAAAAB34/bb-vmt8gp
BM/s1600-h/Foruns_Ataque.jpg


“Informal contacts” have been made, by some McCann advisers, with companies that own web hosting businesses, in order to raise awareness for the risks of being liable to legal action, due to what they consider the amount of slanderous and defamatory messages being posted at specific public forums. Contacts with other companies may follow, as the McCann legal team is analysing what could be the best way of dealing with individual bloggers.

Their first “target” are those blogs that have reproduced and posted links to documents that were leaked from the investigation files (the PJ final report) and those which translate to English, with regularity, news from the Portuguese Press. Also in the list are blogs with direct quotes, from English translations of the book of Gonçalo Amaral, “The Truth of the Lie”.

A more “direct approach” is on the table, but it depends from the lawyer's decision concerning the analysis of the contents of the book of Mr. Amaral. If they consider that they may have reasons to sue the author, the strategy will be similar to what they did with Daily Express Group and British Media: to select a few “high-profile cases”, in the Web, and try to neutralize those bloggers, using the threat of an expensive and long libel suit.

Data collection and new detectives

Since more than eight months, organized groups have been “working” in the net, collecting data from sites where McCann's critics use to post. Some of those groups do it openly, while others have a "job" that requires a more low-profile. After the Daily Express case, the McCann campaign diverted more resources to fight the critics on the Web.

Clarence Mitchell even confirmed an “upgrade” on the technical equipment at the disposal of the McCann "private search", when he told BBC, on July 1, that the McCanns had already their own "very sophisticated intelligence gathering operation." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england
/london/7482799.stm

Just before that, the Sunday Star, in its printed edition, on June 29, wrote that “the privately funded probe into Maddie's disappearance from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007 has become 'wider and much more sophisticated' according to sources.”

Among the equipment acquired there is a very advanced system that allows to have the calling number always identified, when anyone calls the McCann or their private detective's phone numbers.

The Telegraph reported, on July 2... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
newstopics/madeleinemccann/2235783
/McCanns-hire-new-team-of-British
-detectives.html

...that the McCann hired a new team of British detectives: “Details about the new team, and what they are being paid, are being kept under wraps.” The new team has elements working abroad, but “they don't want to be identified for operational reasons (...) Any active leads it is felt the police have not followed up properly or left open-ended, they would move on”, according to The Telegraph.

Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.
blogspot.com/2008/07/forums-under
-attack-blogs-will-be-next_28.html

Joe said...

According to the 3A site the process will be open from monday next for all journalists..

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20072


pinky in for sleepless weekend.

Cláudia said...

Joe, LOL
Man, their suing list will grow like a plague! LOL

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Joe

That's only because he'll be sitting up all night rehearsing his spin.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

Did you read of ROTB's action holiday.

Joe said...

Claudia,

I thought you had gone on you deserved holiday. At least the clan will not be able to spin the process as it will be open to all who are interested, as it should be in a true democracy. As you say the list to sue wil be endless. start with pinky. See you soon Claudia.

Cláudia said...

ICOAN, can you summarise it for me, please? :-))))

Joe, will leave VERY early in the morning. :-) I'm already feeling sorry I won't be here. Damn! LOL

Joe said...

ICTOAN,

Pinky will have to read 20,000 pages fast to get the spin ready for weeks to come.

Joe said...

Claudia,

It will be here when you get back, and you will be refreshed after your holiday. I do not expect anything startling in it, as Mr . Amaral has given us an insight into process of the case already.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

See below
ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

I heard that the earth moved for you!

ratonthebeam said...

Hi ICTOAN.... it certainly did, but only about 2 on the Richter Scale!!! Mind you, that was after the forest fire, the thunderstorms, the lizard in the bed, the ants on the balcony and Clarence on Turkish telly. Apart from that it was pretty uneventful.

ratonthebeam said...

Oh, and I forgot about getting a fish down my bra after someone threw a bucket of river water on me during a water fight. I think I am in need of another holiday now.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Joe

He's a 'speed' reader at least I think that's what he does with 'speed'.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Sorry can't stop any longer as I need my ugly sleep.

Good Night All

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, the worst part was Clarriiee on TV! lolol
Joe, I know it will all be here. And around 20 000 pages take a lot of time to red! :-)

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, ICTOAN.
Goodbye, all.
See you soon.

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

I wonder if the files that have or are to be been handed to them are in Portuguese or English. Hope it is PT.

viv said...

Darling I am sure you will have the most wonderful time in beautiful Portugal and far away from the madding crowd!

Come back refreshed:-)))


Lots of love Viv xxxxx

viv said...

Thanks for the link to this article Zodiac:

I find it fascinating that Dr Rebelo will not comment on any of this, that certain aspects of the investigation remain under secrecy of justice and that it is constantly stressed the investigation can be re-activated if new evidence comes to light. Quite clearly, that is what they are looking for. It is also interesting what is not said, i.e. they are not saying that Madeleine was, after all, abducted. By the simple process of elimination this clearly confirms the McCanns are still prime suspects and are stil under investigation. I continue to maintain, most particularly, By Leics Police. I think the aspects of the investigation that will stay under wraps are the false sightings of Madeleine which clearly evidence deliberate fraud. Possibly also, investigation into paedophilia.

Viv x


Madeleine: prosecutor provides process from 2 Friday
July 31, 2008, 19:46

Faro, July 31 (Lusa) - The prosecutor offers Monday the process Madeleine McCann to the media, whose investigation was closed to 21 this month and that triggered the lifting of the condition of parents accused of child and Robert Murat.

The document begins to be made available to journalists who requested access to the procedure from the morning of Monday the prosecutor who works at the Court of Portimão, informed official sources today.

The prosecutor closed the investigation on the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann on 21 this month and raised the condition of accused parents of minor, Kate and Gerry McCann, and the Portuguese-British citizen Robert Murat, stressing, reported that can reopen the process in the event "new evidence".

The decision of the Attorney General's Office (PGR) was followed by silence by the authorities who acted on the ground during the last 15 months.

While the Department of Criminal Investigation of Portimão of the Judicial Police (PJ), coordinated by Paulo Rebelo, if escusava to comment on the decision, the director of the PJ of Faro escusava to speak to journalists because, allegedly, be in a meeting.

Inhabitants and tourists who were in Praia da Luz, Lagos, when the announcement of the PGR criticized by the judicial authorities decide to close the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, while the girl still missing, considering that the case "is badly counted."

The parents of Madeleine McCann welcomed, in turn, the fact that we are not defendants in investigating the disappearance of her daughter and felt that they were made defendants was "harmful" to the operations of search.

The British girl Madeleine McCann, with its three years, disappeared on May 03, 2007 tourist resort of Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Lagos, Algarve, when I was in the apartment with twin brothers also minors and their parents as a jantavam the nearby restaurant in the company of a group of English friends.

The mystery of the disappearance of the child and the apparent lack of motivation and solid clues to explain what happened have helped to transform this case one of the most media ever.

CCM.

viv said...

Hiya ICTOAN

I did read back to your post about the latest judgement from our top libel Judge, Mr Justice Eady. I think what he was making clear is that when someone decides to be a member of a blog, if other bloggers start saying some rather unpleasant things about you, that is a risk you are voluntarily undertaking. For such conduct to amount to libel it must damage the reputation in a very public way. What he was also saying is that in the bloggin community it is a fairly restricted world and the publicity that is necessary to genuinely say you were libelled does not exist, it is more akin to slander which is not so serious. Additionally the courts are very concerned to make sure they never open the flood gates by allowing a certain type of claim that would simply swamp the courts and prevent other more meritorious cases being dealt with. It seems to me this man gave as good as he got, and is a very adversarial character who just wants to keep sueing people..37 times in fact! by this stage he is becoming what is known as a vexatious litigant clogging up the court with his silly claims. In spite of a £25,000 costs order against him, he continues. Judges make costs orders against people to send them away and stop behaviour they disapprove of. It has not worked with this man because he is a dole man with no assets and so the costs order cannot bite. If he persists it is likely the Attorney General would apply to have him formally declared a vexatious litigant which would prevent him from issuing any more writs.

I do not think this has any bearing on the McCann case because it is to do with interblog wars rather than people in their situation who are being accused of some very serious criminal offences and not just on one blog! I think our courts could come down hard on people who libel them now and the reasons for that may be rather hidden ones, notably impeding a police investigation maybe the greater concern than actually libelling the McCanns.

I think all blogs should now be very careful indeed!

Viv x

dylan said...

Hi all.

had a really nice day even though we lost at cricket. I managed to avoid all fines (twat with a bat, fuckwit fielder etc, etc) but got fined for playing on my birthday!

What is really nice is that an old friend sent me a facebook message and a video for the very same "somewhere over the rainbow" that docmac posted a couple of weeks ago. Fate has a lot to answer for. For me at least, and I'm hoping the Mcs too.

I've had a lovely day & want to thank you all for your kind wishes.

Cricket on a really hot eve and then rain to cool us down with lightning and thunder - magical!

Nite all - hope to have something relevent to add tomorrow. xx

viv said...

Hiya Dillie

From what you describe you had a great time on your birthday which is good to read. I have not played cricket for about 40 years but it sounds good fun!

I am a firm believer in justice and the tenacity of the police when they have serious criminals in their sights. It can be very difficult to prove murder against particularly devious defendants but sooner or later they do. Look what happened to Dr Shipman!

The Police will be just as upset about what happened to little Madeleine as we all are and they will not give up on this case. It may take a long time, murder cases frequently do, but sooner or later, their time will be up!

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!!

Viv xxxxxx

docmac said...

Well I don't wish to show off, but I have always been good at spotting those pros from several miles away. I think it's the smell...

rainbowwarrior Post subject: Re: Early and ongoing translation of the bookPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:54 pm

New In Town

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:45 pm
Posts: 11 Cardiologists carry out angioplastys . This has meant that some cardio thoracic surgeons are having to retrain as there is far less cardiac surgery being carried out . As I said , my source is very reliable .

gallstone Post subject: Re: Early and ongoing translation of the bookPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:28 pm

Suspect

Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:12 pm
Posts: 116 rainbowwarrior wrote:
Cardiologists carry out angioplastys . This has meant that some cardio thoracic surgeons are having to retrain as there is far less cardiac surgery being carried out . As I said , my source is very reliable .


It's angioplasties Mark. I am not a spelling nazi, but I would like to think that someone as close to a cardiologist as you are would at least get that right.

rainbowwarrior Post subject: Re: Early and ongoing translation of the bookPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:46 pm

New In Town

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:45 pm
Posts: 11 Docmac ,
Seems I used the american plural . The good news is tha Gerry is back seeing patients and has lots of support and sympathy at the hospital . I am sure you will be pleased .

marga said...

Dear Viv and all,

I have not posted recently as I have been enjoying my holidays.

However, I sometimes read your comments and admire your preserverance in this case.

I for one have to confess I'm disappointed because it is more about the McCanns, CM ,the Tapas and Amaral at this stage.

I didn't buy nor read his book and notice that what we are now reading (except the Payne tendencies) was constantly leaked to the press and can't help but blame it.

I can't accept this as a war and am only interested in knowing the truth about the fate of Maddie and I would respect Amaral more if he had kept silent. He used to say justice is done in silence.I'm really sorry he has changed his mind.

Let's hope investigative journalists and the PJ keep investigating this case and find the truth.

Abraço.