4 Aug 2008

STAGED THE FURNITURE! /48 QUESTIONS

The PJs log of the contents of McCann hire car. Proof if any were needed that someone, or maybe two is an alcoholic!

I cannot figure out what the horrible thing is that looks like a blood bag! Who carries rice crispies in the boot!!

PJ carefully logged stains to floor and walls of McCann apt.




Is this the one the nanny supposedly printed! Or was it sly Gezza at home circa 20.5.07 on his paint pro kit! Maddie does look a real good marketing ploy there, I think! Check out the spiky fringe, whoops Gezza!




Within a few days of 3.5.07 a 69 year old design engineer, Mr Fleck, a man with a good eye for detail, I am sure, gave this e-fit picture of a suspicious man he saw hanging around the McCann apartment just before Madeleine disappeared. He says he had short dark hair, strong athletic build and aged 30-40, height about 5'8". I agree with everyone on the 3 Arguidos this is Gerry McCann and I am frankly flabbergasted the McCanns seem to be carping this image was not released! If we can think, hang on a minute that looks and sounds just like Gerry McCann then you can bet your bottom doller that's what the PJ thought too. No wonder they did not release it to the world or to the McCanns!! As I believe Goncalo has confirmed the McCanns were always under suspicion and rightly so! There is another e-fit said to be a ringer for OB but it seems to me this could be another witness again describing Gerry although it is not such a striking likeness. Anyone who actually saw OB could not have failed t notice his striking height and there does not seem to be mention of this, we keep hearing the same over and again, including from Jane Tanner, short dark hair aged 30-40, 5' 8" in other words, Gerry McCann. I have always said his behaviour in calling that woman to the table at 9.30 was quite deliberate. IMO at this stage OB was missing and had taken over and Gezza was making sure he was not in the frame, but the thing is now we have yet another witness who saw him in addition to Smith. As we know from the Barry George case though such identification evidence is not good enough, there were nine people in that case who put George at the scene but this evidence was trashed by the defence, even in broad daylight some witnesses account were shaken. In this only one person saw Gerry carrying Maddie and he did not say it was Gerry until September when he saw him getting off the plane on TV, carrying Sean. The other man seeing him hanging around would not be good enough to corroborate this. So many pointers but just not quite enough at this stage to actually get them, but they will!



Gerry normally combs his hair across the front leaving no fringe but on this pic and the really evil one to the right you can see that sometimes he is not so groomed leaving that short spiky fringe. Maybe someone who got a lot of alcohol down them and had a lot of adrenaline flowing would not be quite so careful about the comb. I know he is an immaculate and fussy man as a rule. Rigid timekeeper etc, it fits his personality.




























Well, if the McCanns thought the allegations against them were suddenly going to stop, just how wrong they were! Another example of how the McCanns staged Madeleine's "abduction".














PJ believes that McCann changed evidence The Judiciary Police has no doubt that the parents of Maddie changed the provision of furniture and objects from the apartment where Maddie disappeared the night of May 3, 2007, in the Algarve, thus manipulating the scene of the crime to better justify the thesis of abduction which has always advocated.





















and as though that were not bad enough of course 0n 1 August Correio gave us those 48 questions that Kate refused to answer:














Kate McCann - defensive, petulant, arrogant and rude. Not exactly a woman searching for her beloved child, is she?







She just wanted to "increase the political pressure" on those who sought to investigate her..














Viv x














Research: What the inspectors wanted to know the PJ The 48 questions that remained unanswered September 7, 2007. Kate McCann entered the Judicial Police of Portimão in the morning and interrogation had been to night. It was heard as a witness, but the tension in the air was clear. For the first time, popular concentrated to the door of the premises of PJ and murmuravam words of defiance against the couple. That day the CM noticiara that the dogs had detected the odor of corpses clothes of the mother of Maddie. A proof that the authorities wanted to use as a trump card in a hearing that only the next day changed direction after the PJ not see clarified their doubts. Kate began by answering all the questions, but to be formed defendant left to speak. Remeteu to the silence, in the company's lawyer, provocatively and accepted all the suggestions. Less than 48 hours later, Kate and Gerry travel to England with the twins, leaving behind the investigation to the disappearance of their daughter, which has now had four years. Garantiram after we return if it were necessary - which they never did, but had not been formally intimados to return - and are no longer defendants for suspected involvement in the concealment of the body of the child. Today the CM shows him the 48 questions that Kate did not want to respond in questioning and reflecting the concerns of researchers. More than a year after Maddie disappear, many of these questions remain unanswered. APUPOS FOR THE COUPLE MCCANN The way Kate and Gerry McCann of the premises of PJ of Portimão marked a turning point in the relationship of popular with the couple: the curious who passed on the street apuparam mother and father of Maddie, particularly criticising the "absence of visible suffering" of Kate. It also marked the foreign press presence in large numbers. PASSA PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC NOW FROM tomorrow As from tomorrow the whole investigation to the disappearance of Madeleine will be made available to defendants, witnesses, lawyers and journalists, because it is a case of manifest public interest. The process, which was filed on July 21, will also be accessible to the general public, a situation that will allow real scrutiny of the work done by the Judicial Police. This decision, which ultimately was surprised because it is a case involving a child, has only just been announced, after the Portuguese lawyers of the family McCann, Carlos Pinto de Abreu and Rogerio Alves, have requested the Court of Portimão priority in access to the file . Already last Wednesday had asked the court to all parties who had previously requested the consultation on file to leave a CD in office since the process will be provided in digital format. The archival research to the disappearance of the girl, occurred on May 3, 2007, in the Algarve, precipitated the lifting of the secrecy of justice, which had been extended until precisely the month of August. APONTAMENTOS OF KATE MCCANN "All policemen dressed informally and smoking. There was demonstrated sympathy. It was far from reassuring." -- May 4 "Left message to Gordon Brown to call us to increase the political pressure." -- May 23 "How do you dare to insinuate that our daughter could be in danger for our cause?" -- June 17 NOTES KATE: SENTADA ON BED The Judicial Police was asked to Kate during the searches on the night of the disappearance was sitting in bed, Maddie without moving. Do not been answered. PRESSÕES: GONÇALO AMARAL The former coordinator of the event, Gonçalo Amaral, account in the book 'The Truth Lie of' the pressures incurred during the investigation, confirmed by Kate in their notebooks. PORTIMÃO: JUDICIAL The process focused on the Judicial Police of Portimao. The interrogation of September 7 forced the special security measures outside the building. 48 THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT TO JUDICIAL KATE NO RESPONDEU 1 - On May 3, 2007, by 22:00, when entered the apartment, which saw, as he did, where sought, which manuseou? 2 - An inside the closet of the room of the couple? (said he did not respond) 3 - (Views two photos of the closet of his room) may describe its content? 4 - Why the cortinado behind the sofa opposite side of the window (whose photo he was shown) is mexido? Someone went behind that sofa? 5 - How long did it take to search the apartment after the detection of the disappearance of her daughter Madeleine? 6 - Why said from the outset that Madeleine had been kidnapped? 7 - On the assumption that Maddie had been kidnapped, that the twins left alone at home to go to Tapas to raise the alarm? So because the alleged raptor could still be in the apartment. 8 - Why not asked the twins, at that time, what had happened to the sister or why not asked them later? 9 - When the alarm has in Tapas specifically what I said and what the words? 10 - What happened then to the alarm in Tapas? 11 - Why was tell their friends instead of shouting balcony? 12 - Who contacted the authorities? 13 - who participated in the search? 14 - anyone outside the group, in the minutes following, was to learn of the disappearance of Maddie? 15 - Some nearby it offered aid after the disappearance? 16 - What does the expression "we let her down"? 17 - The Jane said you have seen a man with a child that night? 18 - How were contacted authorities and that police force was warned? 19 - During the searches, and already with the police presence, where local Maddie was sought, how and in what way? 20 - Why is not the twins agreed during the search or when they were in the upper deck? 21 - For those who telephoned after the facts? 22 - Ligou for SKY News? 23 - I knew the danger of turning to the media because it could influence the raptor? 24 - asked the presence of a priest? 25 - What is the method of disseminating the face of Madeleine, where photo, if other? 26 - It is true that during the search was sitting in bed, Maddie without moving? 27 - What is your behaviour that night? 28 - It sleep? 29 - Before the trip to Portugal made any comment on a pressentimento or a bad omen? 30 - What is the behavior of Madeleine? 31 - Maddie suffered any illness or taking medication? 32 - What is the relationship of Madeleine with brothers? 33 - What is the relationship of Maddie with brothers, friends and colleagues of school? 34 - On your life, in how many and which hospitals worked? 35 - What is your medical specialty? 36 - Trabalhava shift in emergencies or other services? 37 - Trabalhava daily? 38 - In a time no longer work? Why? 39 - The twin children have difficulty in sleeping, are irrequietos and this causes him intranquilidade? 40 - It is true that at certain times felt desperate for the behaviour of their children and that the left much intranquila? 41 - It is true that in England came to mind Madeleine surrender the custody of a family? 42 - In England, gave medication to children? What kind of medication? 43 - In the self you were shown films of inspection cinotécnica, as a forensic, where you can see the mark by these indications of odor on the human body and blood also traces of human and only human nature, and all comments the expert responsible. After viewing, and after signalling the odor of corpses in his room next to the closet and behind the sofa against the window of the living room, said he could not explain anything more than has already stated? 44 - also noted, the dog detection, human blood behind the sofa, said he could not explain anything more than has already stated 45 - Assinalado the smell of corpses from the rented car that one months after the disappearance said he can not explain anything more than already said? 46 - Assinalado human blood in the trunk of the vehicle said he can not explain anything more than has already stated? 47 - Faced with the result of collecting DNA from Maddie, whose analysis was carried out by a British laboratory, behind the sofa and the tailgate of the vehicle, said he can not explain anything more than has already stated? 48 - took some responsibility or intervention in the disappearance of her daughter? Question that said: Are you aware that failure to respond to questions calls into question the research, which seeks to know what happened with your daughter? He said that yes, if the research does so.















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ICantThinkOfAName said...

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nancy said...

ROB -

If I remember rightly, Gerry was getting money from a hole in the wall when someone picked his pocket, so he must have had a credit card!!

The truth of the lie (or lies) will come out according to Amaral. Let's hope he is proved right!!!

According to the Sun ( how have I got to the stage of actually reading that scumbag newspaper)!! Anyway, it seems that the McCann's lawyers are considering asking for the case to be reopened after gaining access to files last week. Rogerio Alves said they must apply by September 20th. The lawyers are obviously looking to make another pot of gold to add to the one already in their night safe!

It could turn out they will open up a can of worms that come up to devour them if it is reopened!!

CM on Sky just now - carrying on about the injustice of it all as usual, but declined to discuss the revelation that Kate and Gerry slept apart the night before Madeleine went missing (contained in Kate's statement to the PJ's) - far too sticky for him to cope with that one!!

Always nice to see you on here Rat!

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYbFQFXG0U

The above youtube video is wonderful please take 2 mins to watch it HumptyBumpty from 3 A's posted it.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

From Enfants Kidnappes
and posted by Primavera on 3A.

Everything and anything. What next? A Sunday newspaper magazine dedicating its regular feature to what's in the McCanns' fridge?

http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html

Everything and anything!

Since the process has been made public and journalists have had access to the case file, on DVD, the media has gone mad and don't know anymore what to invent to attract attention. In a frenzy of publication, wishing, at all costs, to publish before their neighbours, the British press in its entirety, has sunk to a ridiculous level. The idea is to publish everything and anything but faster than their neighbour. As soon as they have a photo, they publish it without considering the consequences for the families of the people photographed. They add two or three extracts from the report accompanying the photo and there you have it. But it is total disinformation!! For a start, we note that photos included in the case file are categorically banned from publication!!!

On the other hand, that same press makes a big deal of a story about a little girl who looks like Madeleine, seen in a service station, claiming that it was not investigated. Wrong! If they took the trouble to be objective and wanted to honestly inform people, they would publish the whole document, stressing that the lead was followed up and eliminated. They would publish the fact that the PJ suggested that Kate came with them to check if it was Maddie but that she responded, and I quote from the case file, that she, "had other things to do," which really staggered the investigators! That is also in the report, gentlemen of the British press! You only have to read on a few lines! Today, with an obvious interest in manipulating public opinion, the tabloids are talking about the so-called, "unexplored," Dutch sighting. Clarence Mitchell, the parents' spokesperson, stated: "It is shocking and painful, reading this report, not knowing if it was Madeleine or not."

But it is mentioned in the report. The lead was followed up. The authorities did what was necessary. And Mr Mitchell has the case file, so what is he playing at? Also, Kate said that Madeleine did not like being called Maddie and each time she would say that she wasn't called Maddie but Madeleine. We are entitled to ask why Mr Mitchell seeks to manipulate public opinion? Why is it so vital to pretend not to know or to distort the truth? We could also ask questions about the intellectual integrity of certain journalists, intentionally and knowingly disinforming their readers?

In reality, there's nothing new. Nothing that hasn't been talked about in the world's press in recent months. All of these so-called new leads, said not to have been followed up, have been. They have all been studied. The press is only adding another layer to what is already very well known by everyone. Intellectual integrity is in publishing an article without hiding certain details. The truth is in publishing the information such as it is even if it is not pleasant. In this case, many of the details put a flea in the ear of the investigators, very quickly making the parents suspects in the eyes of the PJ. All these details placed end to end form a trail, this trail essentially leading the investigators to one or several pieces of evidence or to a, "dead end." If we regularly set out the details that led the PJ to suspect the parents, it is with the aim of explaining to you why the parents were suspected. In any case, these details are not evidence, just suspicions, strong assumptions.

It is also establishing a trail. The MP stated that there was no evidence to implicate the parents in Madeleine's disappearance. The MP is right! There is no evidence that is sufficiently solid to support an indictment. Only suspicions remain. Thus, it was completely logical for the parents' status to be lifted, the MP making clear that he believed that Madeleine was dead, but that he did not have evidence of the parents' involvement. Only the acts of child abandonment or neglect could have been maintained but the MP decided to abandon these charges. But don't forget that the investigation is neither over, nor abandoned, nor closed, nor shelved, contrary to what a certain press says. The investigation goes on and will not be closed until Madeleine, alive or not, is found. Also, although the parents are no longer, "arguidos," they have not been exonerated or cleared of anything. The PJ's conviction about the parents has not changed.

nancy said...

ICTOAN

Thanks for that extract by Primavera. It is a real eye opener. There are obviously many items in that report that are not being given a fair hearing by our press - in fact the complete opposite - they are just cherry picking bits that suit their editor's stance on the whole affair!

And the PJ's did follow up the Dutch sighting in the supermarket and discounted it, as any sensible person would have done. Another one after her moment of fame no doubt! As someone else pointed out, if that was Madeleine, whoever took her would certainly not have let her loose in a supermarket to tell all, and her eye would have been recognised of that there is no doubt!

Has there been any response or sightings in reply to the McCann's recent publicity and phone number for people to call - if so, I've heard nothing!

In my opinion Madeleine left this world on or about May 3rd 2007 - that is my belief and I don't think her body will ever be found because whoever decided her fate would have made doubly sure of that!!

I can't wait for Mitchell to stand down - I'm sick of the sight of him on the box!!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

nancy

We warned, Mitchell has been touting for new clients. We'll probably never get rid of him.

hope4truth said...

ICTOAN

I cant imagine many people wanting CM he has made them look more guilty IMHO everytime he opens his mouth I wonder what he is trying to hide.

Even people I know who think it is sad that Madeleine is missing but beyond that could not give a damn think he is a fool...

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Hope

While we have our suspicions on how it has been achieved, the McCanns are still free. Potential clients (not privy to the blogs) will be more impressed by results than style.

ratonthebeam said...

For the moment, ICTOAN. For the moment.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

Sorry, being a Cancerian I am having a down in the depths day. Perhaps tomorrow I may be again on a high.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

BTW Manderinn has been having difficulty accessing 3A. I have tried unsucessfuly to help. Do you think you might be able to help?

ratonthebeam said...

Do you know what the problem is exactly ICTOAN? The Forum has been very slow since the start of the week, as it has been very busy and it might be something to do with that.

atardi said...

Hi all,

I just had a great laugh. Saw Anna Stam on the news telling she offered the girl who said that her name was Maddie a balloon. But she didn't want it.

Can you imagine that? A girl telling you she has been taken from her holiday and you offer her a balloon!

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But than I saw CM and couldn't laugh anymore.

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It seems that the PI's of Gerry and Kate are also in A'dam.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

I need to check back t o her post but from memory she said she logged in and then lost her subscrption because she hadn't posted. Give me a few minutes and I'll find her post.

atardi said...

Will they blame the Dutch police and Interpol also?

Interpol offered help

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB


Blogger mandarinn said...

ICNTOAN Now my account is inactive because i couldn't post. i'm trying to register with another nick and mail adress

Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:07:00 o'clock BST

She may have managed the second time but if you are posting here at the same time as her perhaps you could enquire.

I may not catch her as I am away from my home computer as from tomorrow although I may have access elsewhere.

ratonthebeam said...

OK ICTOAN I'll try and catch her later, thanks!

Di said...

Hi All

I have been reading back but also saw this on 3A's.

I don't know what to make of this!!


Just on ITV news. An email was sent to PJ from Leics Police regarding a Paedophile ring in Belgium. Apparently they had intelligence that this ring had seen a picture of Madeleine 3 days before she went missing. Email is in police files.

How could they have seen a picture of her?

Posted by EJM

atardi said...

ROTB,

Amsterdam is very important for the McCanns. I would like to know why.

Do you have any idea.

I know they lived In Amstelveen and that Madeleine went to a nursery there also with other expats because I saw a report about it.

hope4truth said...

ICTOAN

I suppose you may be right (god I cant stand seeing him after this is over)

Di said...

Atardi

I believe Amsterdam was where the McCanns had IVF to conceive Madeleine, correct me if I am wrong.

atardi said...

Wow di,

Anna Stam was a diversion tactic.

The row between Gerry and Kate may be a way to prepare us for really bad news.

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I can log in on the 3A's but can't read nothing tonight.
So please keep me informed.

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Will go searching for the report about expats I promissed you yesterday.

Di said...

The problem I have with Anna Stam is why did she not pursue her statement. This case is known all over the world. Anna must have realised that things were not going as well as expected. WHY ?has she left it until now to come forward again. Pink spin comes to mind!!

Di said...

Atardi

From 3A's


6/08/08

Everything and anything. What next? A Sunday newspaper magazine dedicating its regular feature to what's in the McCanns' fridge?

Everything and anything!

Since the process has been made public and journalists have had access to the case file, on DVD, the media has gone mad and don't know anymore what to invent to attract attention. In a frenzy of publication, wishing, at all costs, to publish before their neighbours, the British press in its entirety, has sunk to a ridiculous level. The idea is to publish everything and anything but faster than their neighbour. As soon as they have a photo, they publish it without considering the consequences for the families of the people photographed. They add two or three extracts from the report accompanying the photo and there you have it. But it is total disinformation!! For a start, we note that photos included in the case file are categorically banned from publication!!!

On the other hand, that same press makes a big deal of a story about a little girl who looks like Madeleine, seen in a service station, claiming that it was not investigated. Wrong! If they took the trouble to be objective and wanted to honestly inform people, they would publish the whole document, stressing that the lead was followed up and eliminated. They would publish the fact that the PJ suggested that Kate came with them to check if it was Maddie but that she responded, and I quote from the case file, that she, "had other things to do," which really staggered the investigators! That is also in the report, gentlemen of the British press! You only have to read on a few lines! Today, with an obvious interest in manipulating public opinion, the tabloids are talking about the s0-called, "unexplored," Dutch sighting. Clarence Mitchell, the parents' spokesperson, stated: "It is shocking and painful, reading this report, not knowing if it was Madeleine or not."

But it is mentioned in the report. The lead was followed up. The authorities did what was necessary. And Mr Mitchell has the case file, so what is he playing at? Also, Kate said that Madeleine did not like being called Maddie and each time she would say that she wasn't called Maddie but Madeleine. We are entitled to ask why Mr Mitchell seeks to manipulate public opinion? Why is it so vital to pretend not to know or to distort the truth? We could also ask questions about the intellectual integrity of certain journalists, intentionally and knowingly disinforming their readers?

In reality, there's nothing new. Nothing that hasn't been talked about in the world's press in recent months. All of these so-called new leads, said not to have been followed up, have been. They have all been studied. The press is only adding another layer to what is already very well known by everyone. Intellectual integrity is in publishing an article without hiding certain details. The truth is in publishing the information such as it is even if it is not pleasant. In this case, many of the details put a flea in the ear of the investigators, very quickly making the parents suspects in the eyes of the PJ. All these details placed end to end form a trail, this trail essentially leading the investigators to one or several pieces of evidence or to a, "dead end." If we regularly set out the details that led the PJ to suspect the parents, it is with the aim of explaining to you why the parents were suspected. In any case, these details are not evidence, just suspicions, strong assumptions.

It is also establishing a trail. The MP stated that there was no evidence to implicate the parents in Madeleine's disappearance. The MP is right! There is no evidence that is sufficiently solid to support an indictment. Only suspicions remain. Thus, it was completely logical for the parents' status to be lifted, the MP making clear that he believed that Madeleine was dead, but that he did not have evidence of the parents' involvement. Only the acts of child abandonment or neglect could have been maintained but the MP decided to abandon these charges. But don't forget that the investigation is neither over, nor abandoned, nor closed, nor shelved, contrary to what a certain press says. The investigation goes on and will not be closed until Madeleine, alive or not, is found. Also, although the parents are no longer, "arguidos," they have not been exonerated or cleared of anything. The PJ's conviction about the parents has not changed.

The above is translated from an original article on the Enfants Kidnappés web site.


So Clarence just what are you playing at!!!!

Di said...

Off now enjoy your evening everyone.

atardi said...

Di,


Yes I know about the IVF in A'dam but I never read smt about their friends in A'dam. Only about the expats.

I found that report.

It's not important. Click on"http://www.at5.nl/nieuwsartikel.asp?newsid=27204". And than on "Bekijk de video".
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http://www.at5.nl/nieuwsartikel.asp?newsid=27204

Ouders Madeleine zoeken publiciteit


Woensdag 6 juni 2007
De ouders van de nog altijd vermiste Britse kleuter Madeleine McCann zijn deze week in Amsterdam. Ze hebben een gesprek met het landelijk politiekorps (KLPD), de gemeente en ze geven een persconferentie in het Hilton Hotel.
De ouders, die enkele jaren ook in Amstelveen woonden, willen aandacht vragen voor de verdwijning van hun kind en kindontvoeringen in het algemeen.
Madeleine werd begin mei ontvoerd uit een vakantieappartement aan de Portugese Algarve terwij de ouders elders uit eten waren. De verdwijning was dagenlang voorpaginanieuws. Collega-expats in Amsterdam hielden een wake.


• Uit het AT5 Nieuws van 13 mei: Expats houden wake voor Madeleine


Madeleine’s Parents seek media attention.

Wednesday, 6 th of june 2007.

The parents of the still missing infant Madeleine McCann are in A’dam this week. They will speak with the National police Corps and will give a press conference in the Hilton hotel.

The parents, who had been living in Amstelveen for a couple of years, want people to pay attention for the disappearance of their child and child abductions.
In the beginning of may Madeleine was abducted from a Portuguese apartment in the Algarve
While the parents were eating elsewhere.

The disappearance was front page news for days.

Fellow-expats in A’dam kept a vigil. ( a “wake” is what people do when someone died, don’t know the best word to translate “wake”)



The Video.

“Expats keep vigil for Madeleine”.

Dutch Reporter A5:

Every sunday morning English speaking parents come/came with their children to this day nursery in Amsterdam in the “Rozenstraat” (=ROSENSTREET). It’s an incentive from a little group ex pat parents in A’dam so their children could play together.

Madeleine and her parents were very often here.

English woman speaking Dutch:

“It’s someone you know and a child you have seen play here very often and than it’s so hard for us,.. and we want to do,… but you can’t do so much, but.. only to let people know we are here en wish them strength. (she said give strength)

English man:

I can’t describe it…………………………..


Dutch reporter:

The now 4 years old Madeleine disappeared 10 days ago from a holiday apt in the Algarve in Portugal.
Her parents were dining in a restaurant. When they were back the girl (Madeleine) was gone..
The Portuguese police started an investigation. Meanwhile all traces lead to an abduction.

English women speaking in English:

“I mean I don’t know ……………. (Smt about foul play involved) It’s in English so you can hear it better than I did.

Dutch reporter:

Madeleine and her parents stayed +/- 2 years in A’dam. They lived in Amstelveen and were very often at the day nursery when Madeleine was one year old.

The consternation at the day nursery was huge when they heard the news.
By lighting candles and singing songs with the children they try to support the family.

Singing children:

“Twinkle 2x little star………….”

Dutch reporter:

“The investigation on Madeleine is still ongoing and very vivid but yet no trace is found.
And the insecurity makes everyone powerless/helpless.

English woman speaking Dutch:

“You look at the photo, it’s only…. It’s your friend ….Yes it’s difficult to sleep (at night), and to look at your own children….

Joe said...

The really stupid thing that the Pink To**er forgot is why would the PJ include the sightings in the process files if they had not checked them out? Or that if the PJ were so bent as he claimed they would have removed them from the files as bent coppers do that, as we all know, as they knew that the files would be examined meticulously, with To**ers like him looking for mistakes to spin on. Stupid Pink plank.

ratonthebeam said...

Paulo Reis has got the DVD. Keep am eye on Gazetta Digital!!!

dylan said...

Joe, I wouldn't waste your time worrying about it. It is very evident what is going on in the press. My fave read 'The Independend' was being farr less than independent in thier reporting today. I was so pissed off that I threw it on the floor and then had to pick it up and put in the recycling bin, red faced, after UEA security gave me a stern look!

ICTOAN, I'm sure you failed all seven because you surpassed all of the requirements ;) George isn't a patch on you! (Viv, close your eyes)

Hello Hope - I agree with your sentiments entirely, as always. x

Off to bed. I've had enough spin for one day. Night.

xx

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Joe said...

Dylan,

They think we are all sheep. The PJ would not leave in unchecked leads for further vilification. It seems to be lost on the pink idiot. How is he going to survive when all this is over? He is like Golum and this case is his precious. I have banned all tabloids from our house and Sky news will never be allowed to enter out TV screen...EVER. Draconian but necessary, thre is only so much c*ap that I can stomach.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Britain today!!

Pensioner lay dead in his bed for two YEARS before his body was discovered

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/
article-1042112/Pensioner-lay-dead-
bed-YEARS-neighbours-noticed-missing
.html

dylan said...

Hi again.
Couldn't sleep - we have a thunderstorm here!

Joe - I know & It's so annoying. They are only printing one side of the story and leaving the damning stuff alone. I had a row with my dad because he said I knew nothing about what the police have on the McCanns and that there was far more to go on with Barry George. I told him I'd followed this case for over a year and knew a lot more than what was in the press and he told me to shut up! I can't compete with public ignorance and he refuses to read what I said I would print out for him. What chance does the rest of the UK have to know the truth?

I would be willing to lay what little money I have on this Amsterdam witness being a set-up.

When are our press going to wake up, buck up and front the nitty gritty of what the PJ have? I feel so sorry for the PJ and ashamed at what our country has become in the name of two fraudsters to make Portugal look like a country full of bumbling idiots and child molesters.

dylan said...

PS. Had already scribbled 'Gerry' and 'O'Brien' on the e-fits before I chucked the paper in the recycling. Hope somebody finds it and reads it! lol!

xx

ICantThinkOfAName said...

dylan

I wondered where the storm went after it left here.

I also am very sceptical about the Amsterdam sighting especially as it was followed up. (Read my posting No.204 above).

Then of course there is the photo of Madeleine on the Internet 3 days before she disappeared as a paedophile catalogue item.

dylan said...

ICTOAN,

Ta - read it and that's exactly where my frustrations lie (as well as in the man department!)

Full, balanced, objectivity is all I ask for & I don't think that's too much from a democratic country's press that promotes freedome of speech et al!

xx

dylan said...

Oh, and I'll address you as TDH from now on - tall dark and handsome ;)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

dylan

Don't get too anxious I'm sure the right man will turn up when you least expect it.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Its got to the time when this old geezer needs his sleep.

Goodnight to any night owls there.

Unknown said...

Correio de Manha 6.8.08

Upholds murder does not absolve McCanns but then seems to be doing that to an extent in saying they had no contacts in Portugal. Interestingly it does confirm the routine of child watching (or lack of it! ) was different that night.

As we know Mr Amaral has never gone so far as to accuse them of murder, stating in his view Maddie died accidentally and they disposed of the body. I wonder if this comes back to the fall down the steps scenario? That has always been the anomaly for what seems the more obvious conclusions about drugging, the blood dog marked behind the sofa just the same as the cadaver dog. I have to say I find this report rather confusing and contradictory. Again though it is clear there was no abduction! Today I read Kate slept in the spare bed in the childrens room the night before and there was a report that Mrs Fenn says she was loud and out of control that night. She was also covered in bruises. I was not surprised to hear that Gerry just slept and knew nothing of it. When I have interviewed women who have suffered domestic violence I heard that so many times..he was drunk, he was hitting me and dragging me around, I was crying and hysterical, then he just got back in bed and fell asleep...I went and slept in the childrens room to try and keep away from him, I was so afraid, I thought he would leave me alone in there. He does not usually hit the children.

Viv x

Archiving - order upholds death of the girl but does not absolve couple McCann
Prosecutor admits murder
The Public Ministry (MP) admits that Madeleine was dead, discard the theory of abduction, but does not believe that the couple McCann is involved in the death of their daughter. In order of filing, the prosecutor Magellan and Menezes said that Kate and Gerry have been negligent, but dropped the crime of abandonment and closed the investigation with the critical work of the Judicial Police (PJ).


'Researchers are aware that their work is not without flaws. They worked with huge margin of error and what is achieved very little in terms of conclusive results ", writes the judge, considering that the outcome of the investigation does not allow 'a man average formulate any conclusion lucid, sensible, serious and honest" about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Jose de Magalhaes and Menezes took as having 'high degree of probability the discovery of a murder' - vai further than Gonçalo Amaral, who always spoke in accidental death - but does not believe in the involvement of McCann, whereas always expressed a normal behaviour . Moreover, the prosecutor alleges that McCann did not have time or means to hide the body, recalling that on the night of May 3, 2007, the couple was a few days ago in Portugal and his routine limited to the confines of the resort Ocean Club: 'Unaware the surrounding land and, in addition to English friends, had no contacts in Portugal. "

The prosecutor, however, shows no other justification for the disappearance of the girl, because after concluding that "not vislumbraram any indication of the consistent implementation of abduction '- defended by McCann.

Despite 'exempt' the couple, the MP drew up a list of issues still to be explained, including why the procedures for monitoring the minors, from McCann and friends, have changed that night and how the twins not agreed in the midst of confusion - after Kate has given the warning to the disappearance of her daughter. About the formation of McCann as defendants says is legal and legitimate and in relation to the case concludes that the 'disappearance of Maddie is a case of real life'.

EMC MORE THAN A THOUSAND EURO IN TESTS

The hundreds of medico-legal expertise in research conducted the disappearance of Madeleine cost thousands of euros to the State. Only in the last volume of the process, there are five bills related to DNA tests and analyses of biological traces collected, above all to twenty thousand euros. In total, are at least 145 thousand euros spent on medico-legal expertise, held in Portugal and England. In the British laboratory, the result of the tests were corrected and were not conclusive.

REABERTURA'S CASE IN REVIEW

The Portuguese lawyer for McCann, Rogerio Alves, is examining the case to decide whether to require the reopening of the case of the disappearance of Madeleine.

'I am reviewing the process to see if it is worth giving some impetus procedural, that is, request the opening of offices or move to a superior public prosecutor', Rogerio Alves said yesterday in Portimao. The deadline for requesting the investigation in this case ends on September 20.

GONÇALO AMARAL, ex-COORDINATOR OF PROCEEDINGS: 'WITH ANOTHER ATTORNEY HAVIA OTHER DECISION'

Morning Post - 0 prosecutor admits that Madeleine was dead but closes the case. This outcome is a result of the pressures that always has complained about?

Gonçalo Amaral - I maintain that there is strong evidence. The interpretation and evaluation in the light of law depends on the person who does. In other prosecutors admit that there could be another decision.

-- Do you think that there was insufficient evidence to substantiate an accusation?

-- When I went out research there sufficient evidence of concealment of corpses, simulation of crime and possible abandonment. There is no doubt that there is concealment of corpses. The prosecutor himself talks about killing us and we were not that far.

-- The prosecutor says that researchers are not free from imperfections ...

-- Neither the researchers nor the prosecutors. We are monitored and always worked within the scope of prosecutors. All we did was with his knowledge and consent.

NUMBER OF PROCEEDINGS

443 searches were conducted research in the case of Madeleine.

300 policemen from various security forces were deployed in the first days.

130 elements of the Judicial Police were deployed for research.

700 witnesses were heard, 112 of which employees of the resort.

2000 steps were counted by the prosecutor.

3 persons were made accused: Robert Murat and the parents of Madeleine.

CASUALTY: The former coordinator of research, Gonçalo Amaral, believes the girl died accidentally in the apartment, the night of May 3, and that parents concealed the body.

nancy said...

Good morning Viv and everyone -

The report above confirms what I thought for a long time; that Madeleine fell down the steps, which are fairly steep for a little child, was found dead when her parents returned and to save their necks and the necks of the tapas pals, they decided to get rid of Madeleine's body in a cool and calculating way that perhaps only doctors could.

If the case is reopened it could be the best thing to happen in my opinion. It would be interesting if anything important that's been left undisclosed comes to light. I think the lawyers are bluffing though in their attempt to reopen the case, but we shall see.

nancy said...

Just browsed through the papers - all have articles on Madeleine, but the Daily Express, would you believe, has it on the front page!! No comments allowed though which is a bit different from the old days. Now it's saying that Madeleine could be aive and was snatched to order by someone with instructions from a paedophile gang in Belgium!! Yawn, yawn!!

Wizard said...

I’ve just been listening to BBC Breakfast News one of their guest criminologists says that cases like Madeleine McCanns although closed at this time are looked at again every 3/5 years.

His reasoning for doing this is are:-

Alegiances might change witness who are friends with the perpetrators at the time of the crime fall out and make new statements to the police.

New evidence might come to light as forensic science moves on. Forensic evidence that reveals nothing now might well reveal important evidence in the future.

A new team usually look at unsolved cases and this is fresh eyes going over the evidence and sometimes this throws something up including new leads.

We can but hope.

Wizard said...

Today’s and yesterday’s British press push journalistic licence to it extremes. We know the Madeleine McCann story sells newspapers and they feel oblige to publish something, however, their column fillers push journalistic licence to its extreme. They seem so frighten of legal repercussions if they publish anything negative about the Kate and Gerry Teflon-McCann they have been effectively gagged. The British press make news reporting a profession to be ridiculed.

Wizard said...

Good Morning Nancy,

Was just reading your post about Madeleine falling down the steps. The reason I have difficulty with this is if she fell down the stairs it would have been an accident. Although the McCanns could have been in some trouble because they left her alone they seem perfectly happy to let people know this now. Even the Portuguese proscutored has ruled “The McCanns had not put their children at risk when they left them.” (DX 7/8/08)

The only reason imo why the McCanns would not report this accident is if there were signs of abuse on Madeleine which would come to light during an autopsy or evidence of her being heavily drugged.

What I’m still drawn back to is the British sniffer dogs finding. A smell of a corpse was found in the apartment which means Madeleine was dead before the McCanns went for their evening meal. If she fell down the steps they would have been with her – another reason for reporting the accident. If your theory is right this must mean the accident was caused by M being heavily drugged or signs of old abuse would be found which would make it look anything but an accident.

J J said...

Hello All
Sorry if this has already been posted. I haven't had time to read back.

If someone sent a photo of Madeleine to a Belgian paedophile gang, who was it?

Who had access to pictures of Madeleine and who would know that she was going to be left alone?

Not many people fit that description. About nine people I think.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

An ongoing thread on 3A since August 2007 is:

"Leicestershire Constabulary Website: Unlawful Link?

JillyComeLately wrote:I've been checking out Leicestershire Constabulary website since last summer and nothing changes. They still have a one-click link to the McCanns' official website -

Providing a second to none policing service
Leicestershire Constabulary

Related websites
Find Madeleine website

How to contact us
If you have information about any crime, you can contact us on Leicester (0116) 222 2222.

In an emergency, for example where life is in danger or a crime is in progress, call 999.


I've phoned, written and emailed Leics Constabulary over the months, as I know many others here have done, to object to this direct link to the McCanns'website which is, in essence, a begging-bowl for support and £££ $$$ €€€ to provide them with expensive lawyers to escape justice.


There's got to be something VERY WRONG with this, surely?!?

ADDITION: I also think it needs to be added that it's also a direct link from the Leicestershire police to Metodo3s phone number, on which people are urged to come forward and give information to their private investigation (hahahahahwhatalarf).

Metodo3 is an outfit with a shady past and an even shadier present by the look of it. One of their PIs involved in this case is now in jail on charges of Cocaine smuggling and another on charges of extortion and attempted murder.

Leicestershire police are happy to promote and endorse Metodo3s operation, so it would seem."

-----------------------------------

As of today LC have not reacted to enquiries about this matter apart from an enquiry under the FOI about this and other matters which they say will have to wait until after a meeting in September.

It seems that there is no higher authority that can be complained to except the Home Office who we know are always most helpful (to the McCanns).

dylan said...

ICTOAN (TDH) - I forgot to say goodnight last night. How rude of me? - sorry. Not anxious. It was just a distraction whilst my children were away but a bit annoying that it worked out as it did!

Wizard - I originally thought that falling down the steps after having been sedated was likely but Docmac said (where is Docmac these days?) that the blood spray pattern didn't concur with a fall.

Viv, thanks for the report. It's a bit confusing but does point towards death. If the press were to pick up on this aspect instead, I'm sure that couldn't be classed as libel unless they implicated the McCanns. I wish they would so that we can be rid of these ridiculous sightings for good.
Did Luke have a nice day?

JJ - lol!

xx

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dylan said...

Zodiac Hi!

Surely pinky cannot be serious? What is the point? I am quite afraid at what has transpired since this case came to light. Not afraid about being prosecuted for libel but afraid at what this reveals about our country and our civil liberties. It feels like the UK is turning into a communist state & I can forsee book burning (GA's book), armed police banging at the doors of the antis. Ok so that's a bit extreme but you see where I'm coming from!

Already we have a press gagging & political intrigue and now a blood thirsty pink blob threatenening to hunt us all down. However, power of the public - I believe that if this happens there will be a public outcry.

xx

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Below is copied from a post by ICTOAN last night.

'Then of course there is the photo of Madeleine on the Internet 3 days before she disappeared as a paedophile catalogue item.

Thursday, 7 August 2008 01:06:00
o'clock BST'

The Pink T***er makes threats via the bought and paid for UK Press/Media that he we will make it his lifes work to track down each and every individual Forum and it's Bloggers who dare to have an opinion different from his paymasters and he. The www is full of the above, yet they are never tracked down in their entirety or even a miniscule amount. Please tell me Pinky. How will you do it? Most importantly of all. How will you fund it. How will you justify wasting time and money (from where) on something so trivial? Compared to the child that you and your paymasters state is abducted and suffering who knows what, oh wait that's right you all believe she's been abducted but there is no evidence she has been harmed! Will the Fund change again except this time include HelpFindNastyBloggersWhoDareToUseTheirOwnCommonsenseAndNotSwallowOurBullsh*t. Will you and your paymasters justify your actions by saying 'we have other things to do than look for our missing child at the moment, by the way she's lovely, we have had the nasty Arduidi status that was preventing us looking lifted now we must deal with nasty Bloggers and Fourms to our life's end and then we will maybe look'. IMO, the 'Help Find Fund' is for searching for M. You will not find her tracking down Fora and Bloggers just like you will not find her pretend chasing phoney leads. You will not find her printing manipulated stories with huge chunks missing, the ones you put in your bought and paid for Press/Media. I find you and your Campaign an insult to my intelligence but most of all I feel embarrassed that this Government is allowing your actions to continue, you and your manipulation make this Country a laughing stock to the rest of the World! IMO!

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dylan said...

Zodiac - are you having fun with your posts?!

Anonymous said...

Dylan,

I agree. Yet British Journalists and tourists complain when they are in a Communist Counrty, China. I believe if you travel you respect the laws of the Country you decide to visit even if you do not agree with them or you pay the consequences of your actions. Britain is not a Communist Country or a Facist State but it is starting to feel like it. Especially when 3 jumped up nobodies think they can call the shots and control the Press of this Country.
Part of my post above was missing tried it twice and still missing. Is there MM going on here.

AndNotSwallowYourBullsh*t.
Lets see if this posts.

Dylan, MMU would be used to track people down. Just think how that could be used/manipulated. Given the past 14/15 months and what I have witnessed I would say NO to that. Press/Media controlled lets control the WWW.

Anonymous said...

Dylan,

Are your eldest two staying in the UK is that all OK now?

dylan said...

Zodiac, yes they're back and all is well. It was lovely to have someone to cook for last night and eat with. Laura had been really homesick & whilst she had a brilliant time, she's glad to be back.

I'm being a bit thick here; but what is MMU?

xx

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dylan said...

I have to go now. Have good day all.

xx

Joe said...

From the Sunderland Echo......







Published Date:
07 August 2008
By Tim Booler
A Sunderland couple told police they saw Madeleine McCann 28 hours after she disappeared.
Richard and Susan McCluskey reported seeing a "lifeless" child of about Maddie's age being carried by a drunk-looking man who was with a distressed woman, who they were "almost certain" was her mum Kate.

The Portuguese case files, released this week more than a year after the youngster disappeared, showed that dad-of-three Mr McCluskey made the claims in a second statement a number of months after the alleged sighting in the Algarve.

Portuguese police investigated the claim, and believed the couple were Ukrainians with a blonde daughter of Maddie's age.

Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry, from Leicestershire, denied having any involvement in the disappearance, and had their "arguido" official suspects status lifted last month.

The potential sighting of Maddie by the McCluskeys, from South Hylton, was one of many reported to Portuguese police.

They were all investigated but came to nothing.

However, Mr and Mrs McCluskey said they have never had any response to the information provided in their statements, and would like to have been told it had been eliminated to give them peace of mind.

Their account of what they saw and said in police statements has never been published.

The Sunderland holidaymakers were in the resort of Alvor, about 20 minutes drive along the coast from Praia la Luz, where the McCann family was stating.

Mr and Mrs McCluskey were on their way back to their apartment from an Irish bar in the early hours of May 5, 2007, when they saw a white Transit-style flatbed truck stop in the middle of the road.

Mr McCluskey, 62, said a man got out and staggered about 200 yards to a gate, carrying a child of about three to four years old over his left shoulder, and that there was "no movement at all" in the youngster.

They were aware a child was missing in the area and thought the situation was strange so took down the van registration, with Mrs McCluskey, 50, writing it on her hand before they found some paper.

As they were doing so a woman ran towards the van, "clearly in distress".

Mr McCluskey told the Echo she looked like actress Faye Dunaway and added: "She was white as a ghost and shaking", and did not reply when asked if she needed help.

In a police statement he said a Portuguese couple came by and said the man and woman acting strangely had earlier been in an argument.

He reported the van's details to police in Portugal, and only made a statement after being contacted by Northumbria Police after getting home to Sunderland.

Mr McCluskey said he was also contacted by Interpol to provide a drawing of the area as described in his statement.

On September 12, he gave a second statement at Farringdon Hall Police Station, which read: "The events of the past week or so, with the McCanns being very much in the news, have triggered my memory in relation to the incident.

"In my original statement I described a distressed female who ran down a road towards a white van I had described.

"Having viewed news footage of Mrs McCann I am now almost certain she is the female I described as being in a distressed state.

"I say this because of her slight build, high cheekbones and her eyes and hairstyle."

He added: "I've agonised for days over whether or not to contact police about this because it is a terrible thing to accuse somebody of.

"It had just not crossed my mind that the child's parents could in some way be involved in her disappearance."

Also in his second statement, made after watching news coverage of Kate and Gerry McCann returning to Britain from Portugal, Mr McCluskey added: "Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children.

"The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal.

"Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr McCann held the child that made me think."

Joe said...

This is the link for the Sunderland Echo


http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/Wear ... 4367117.jp

Anonymous said...

ICTOAN/DYLAN

MEDIA MONITORTNG UNIT
EDITORIAL INTELLIGENCE

http://www.thesargeants.net/dblog/articolo.asp?articolo=73

Anonymous said...

Also in his second statement, made after watching news coverage of Kate and Gerry McCann returning to Britain from Portugal, Mr McCluskey added: "Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children.

"The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal.

"Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr McCann held the child that made me think."



Trying to discredit Mr Smith me thinks.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Thank you joe and zodiac

nancy said...

Some fantastic posts this morning; so well thought out and very interesting reading.

Wizard -

I understand what you are saying about the fall on the stairs theory, but it seems the PJ's have put this down as plausible too; there is no doubt that this must be one of the most intricate and confusing cases ever recorded - so many different theories and posibilities and there is always something to rule out whatever people come up with!!

I just cannot understand how the Prosecutors in Portugal can say that it was not neglect when these wicked people left their children alone - if that is not neglect, then what is?

To be quite honest, that opinion by the PP's makes one wonder if there is not some complicity between the British and the Portuguese to keep the McCann's status as innocents abroad!!

If Madeleine had fallen down the stairs and been fatally injured, and the McCanns found her on their return from the tapas bar, they would no doubt have carried her into the bedroom which would account for the forensic evidence and the cadaver dogs reactions too. There is also the possibility that she did have marks on her body which they wouldn't want found as you say.

I don't believe the McCanns killed Madeleine, but I do think it was a terrible accident, or overdose of sleeping drugs, through their abandonment of her and her siblings and I think their tapas friends are covering up for them. As time goes by though people change their stances and that could surely happen one of these days, so the McCanns shouldn't think they are completely in the clear yet!!

Mr and Mrs McCluskey's evidence should surely be looked at again because with both of them seeing and hearing what they did it is a back up for their story.

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I'm off to my husband's home city of Salamanca tomorrow - he is meeting up with his brothers for the local fiesta there, so I'll be back posting in a week or so.

Love to you all.

Nancy xx

PS - Don;t let the b.....s get you down!!

Wizard said...

The Sunderland Echo article is interesting. It may well be of no importance and can be explained away but it is a negative report on the McCanns and as we know these have up to now been repressed by the bulk of the British press. I am quite sure there are a number of others like this.

Stonemaid said...

Hi Wizard...I think this also falls into the same anti-pink-spin category!

Press Assoc. - 26 minutes ago

Secret intelligence claiming Madeleine McCann was snatched to order by a Belgian paedophile ring is flawed, sources said.
(Advertisement)

Private detectives working for the girl's parents are urgently following up the report from an informant disclosed in Portuguese police files.

The tip-off was recorded by an intelligence officer working for Scotland Yard's CO14 clubs and vice unit. But sources said the information was second or even third-hand and impossible to corroborate with forces in the UK or abroad.

It is believed to have been one of dozens of similar reports passed to the unit in the wake of Madeleine's disappearance.

The informant said a photograph of the child on holiday in Portugal was taken and passed to a "purchaser" in Belgium days before she vanished.

The confidential report read: "Intelligence suggests that a paedophile ring in Belgium made an order for a young girl three days before Madeleine McCann was taken.

"Somebody connected to this group saw Maddie, took a photograph of her and sent it to Belgium. The purchaser agreed that the girl was suitable and Maddie was taken."

Portuguese police pursued the lead with Interpol, which gathered further reports from Belgium, the UK, Finland and Germany. But detective Paulo Rebelo, head of the Madeleine inquiry, ruled that all but the German intelligence showed "lack of credibility".

As a result, the Scotland Yard tip-off was added to the massive file of evidence considered during the hunt for Madeleine. A Metropolitan Police spokeswoman said everything possible was done to follow up the snippet of information.

Belgium is less than 100 miles from Amsterdam where there have been two possible sightings of the missing youngster.

Wizard said...

Hi Stonemaid,

I would like to think the tide is turning for the McCanns but we will just have to wait and see. I think like most people if I go to my local Tesco superstore I will see 2/3 girls who look very similar to Madeleine when she disappeared. Even Jes Wilkins partner said at the Ocean Club crèche there was 10 blond girls of a similar age and who look very much alike. This lady also reported that at the tennis match on the afternoon of 3rd May she did not see Madeleine there this could have been she wasn’t there or there were a number of very similar looking children in attendance. Her own daughter in fact was a dead ringer for Madeleine at that time.

Joe said...

Realistically, if there was any credence to these sightings listed in the process files they would be investigated first,even by the incompetent Metodo 3, BEFORE Pinky opened his big ugly mouth, as by doing so putting Madeline at further risk if the sightings were true. It proves beyond a shadow of doubt he or the clan no more believe these sightings than any of us do. Disgusting.

Di said...

Good evening all.

Posted by jenny2007 on 3A's

Well worth a read.


This is very very interesting.

http://www.kidnapping.be/anglais/index.html

On September 8, we wrote a story – “The circus has came to town” - explaining the strategy to be followed in order to convince British public opinion that Gerry and Kate McCann were framed by Portuguese police. In the same story, we alerted for the interference of other kind of “organizations”, already in action, in Portugal: “Most of these activities have been conducted by retired British citizens, some of the long time residents in Portugal. Other group was 'recruited' among the already large locally born British community. These collaborators have an important skill, which is the capacity of speaking the local language, but their lack of experience means a higher risk and they have been used just in low-level operations.”

This part of a wider strategy – the so-called “field operations” - was latter confirmed when the McCann revealed they hired Control Risk Group in May. Details of that strategy were given to us by sources in London that, due to their position, know what is going on and – most important of all – why. But they don't agree with what they consider a Government “sponsored” interference on a police case, with no other purpose than protect the interests of a specific group.

Other sources, in the British Media, also gave us details about how that strategy would develop: undermining the credibility of Portuguese Police, attacking one of the leading detectives using the Joana Cipriano's case and, as a final blow, the Casa Pia case: “The lethal weapon, to be used when conditions are proper, is a 'secret': a large, well organized and professionally manipulated amount of information about the Casa Pia case. Organizers believe this data will be very efficient in the difficult task of convincing British public opinion that incompetence, corruption and complicity, also on high levels of the Portuguese society, are the explanation for what happened to Gerry and Kate McCann.”


Why UK is a haven for paedophiles


Until now, results have been mixed, for the powerful group of supporters behind the McCann couple. Public opinion, in UK, isn't exactly on the McCann side. Questions are starting to be asked about the level of involvement of the British Government, following Mr. Gordon Brown strange attitude of making public, last week, that he would include a police case in the agenda of his meeting with the Portuguese Prime-Minister, during a European Union summit.

Criminal Coordinator Gonçalo Amaral was removed from the investigation, but his replacement wasn't who the McCann supporters expected. Yesterday, Daily Mail, a newspaper that has been spearheading the campaign against Portugal and Portuguese police, was given the “green light” to use the above referred “lethal weapon”.

The story - “Why Portugal is a haven for paedophiles - the disturbing backcloth to the Madeleine case” - is a poor job of manipulation of information about the Casa Pia case. It uses fake information, like putting Paulo Rebelo, who replaced Gonçalo Amaral in Madelein's case – as the man who “oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts.”

In other classical manoeuvre of manipulation, it refers that, in Casa Pia Case, “Paulo Pedroso, a government minister, was arrested and quizzed about 15 cases of child sexual abuse.” But Daily Mail forgets to mention that the case against Paulo Pedroso was dismissed, for lack of evidence. The newspaper also forgets to mention that investigation of Casa Pia is finished and the trial has been going on, since more that one year, due to the number of defendants and the fact that there are more than 500 witnesses to be called.

The Daily Mail story accuses a all country and it's population of allowing “paedophile networks” - that “have become endemic in Portugal” - to roam freely and considers that “the culture in which such a serious child abuse network was allowed to operate is the same culture that pervades the whole of Portugal.”

Following the same line, similar accusations could be made against UK, using the Waterhouse case: “The Waterhouse Report into the wide scale abuse that took place in residential homes in Wales was released in February 2000. It spoke of systematic abuse, a climate of violence and a culture of secrecy that existed for more than two decades. But for most people involved in the welfare of the young, the report did not go nearly far enough. It confined itself to what went on in particular children's homes in Wales over a confined period. It did not look at the plight of children in residential homes and in foster families all over the UK. It did not question the whole structure of care.” The results of Operation Ore could also allow anyone to classify UK as a haven for paedophiles, where the sex offenders registration couldn't stop child abusers to find new jobs on schools...

The fact that the story from Daily Mail is so badly “build” shows how desperate McCann supporters are, as they don't see any evidence that PJ is willing to drop the main line of inquiry, which considers the parents as formal suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine.


Police cooperation


Also curious is the fact that Mr. Gordon Brown decided to mention a specific detail we was willing to raise, with Portuguese Prime-Minister: the cooperation between Portuguese and British Police in Madeleine's investigation. There has been several small incidents, since the first British police liaison team came to Algarve. The decision of Portuguese police to stop regular meetings with the McCann couple was taken after detectives realized that Kate and Gerry had previous knowledge of the subjects to be raised during those meetings. Such a knowledge would be possible only if information given by PJ to their British counterparts was being made available to the McCann.

Portuguese police made clear they knew that at least one of the British officers from the liaison team had contacts - with people close to the McCann – that were not considered proper, for someone in that position. The level of cooperation from Leicestershire police is another detail that has raised some questions from Polícia Judiciária and took Mr. Paulo Rebelo to make a direct contact with Scotland Yard.

The McCann legal team has made contacts, in Portugal, to hire a PR company, as they understood that a close contact with Portuguese Media was fundamental, at this stage. But there is no tradition, in Portugal, of Public Relations companies acting in the criminal area and at least one of the leading Portuguese PR companies refused an offer for a contract. Other contacts were more successful, when several former Portuguese policemen were asked, by the McCann team, to help them have a close look at how the investigation was developing.


Opposite versions


The Portuguese Prime-Minister Press Office denied that the question of Madeleine's investigation was ever referred, during a meeting with Gordon Brown. “The only subjects raised during the meeting between Gordon Brown and José Sócrates were related to the EU summit. All the rest is pure speculation”, according to the same source. A spokesman for Mr. Gordon Brown denied this and told British Media that “Mr Brown said he and Jose Socrates had a ''brief discussion'' about Madeleine during an EU summit in Lisbon. The spokesman said: ''They agreed what matters was that there should be the closest possible co-operation between the Portuguese and British police.''

The fact that both Prime-Ministers Press Offices couldn't find a common version about Madeleine's case is a clear evidence of the deep differences in the way they look at it. Mr. José Sócrates has made clear, before, that this is “just a police case” and not a political one.” In a interview with the Spanish daily “El País”, the Portuguese Prime-Minister launched a staunch attack against members of British Government, saying that “(Portuguese) Police did the best they could do find the child” and remembered that “it's a duty of all politicians not to contribute to boost a 'soap opera script.” It seems that Mr. Gordon Brown has another opinion.

Duarte Levy (Londres) and Paulo Reis (Lisbon)

Di said...

So Kate & gerry had previous knowledge of the questions to be asked during their meetings with the PJ.

LP shame on you!!

Where is the justice for Madeleine!

Di said...

Bonnybrais1

The global moderator on 3A's thinks the above is a very significant thread.


http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21035&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

Di said...

Where is everyone?? :o((((

Di said...

I am getting lonely :o(((

Di said...

Billy no mates comes to mind :o(((

bath theory said...

Hi Di I am going for a bath as I have just finished painting. I have painted 37 hrs in the last 3 days ie 12hr + 12hr + 13hrs. My house is looking great internally and in 3 days time my whole inside (3 levels) will have been spruced. So that is where I am - either in the bath or painting !!!!!!!

Di said...

Hi BT

Poor you, you must be tired out. Get in that bath you deserve it. I am sure the house is looking great after all your hard work.

Not here for long, perhaps see you tomorrow.

Enjoy the rest of your evening, aches and pains and all.

Joe said...

Hello Di,

I was posting earlier but there was nobody then either.

J J said...

Hello Di

Just a flying visit. I've just read your post and I agree, it is very interesting.

But I still don't really see why they should be treated so special.

Why are the Leicestershire police helping the McCanns?

I'm not saying they were not helping them, I just can't see why they should.

After all, the McCanns hadn't just done a bit of shoplifting.
(I wish we knew exactly what they have done)

Got to go now. I will be interested to see what everyone else thinks tomorrow. Bye

Di said...

Hi Joe

I think several people are away.

Great to talk to you, I have not been around much recently.

I would love to know your thoughts on the above post from 3A's.

Di said...

JJ

Hi and Bye

Nice to meet you.

Joe said...

It ocurred to me months and months ago that the demeanour of the McCanns and GM blog was nonchalent relaxed, which suggested to me that they knew they had nothing to worry about. Indeed if reports are to be believed they have had most of the media behind them, leaked info from LP and FSS, home office ofuscation and tardiness, political help, MEP support. It has proved to be the case and they were able to continue with their plans

Di said...

Joe

It would not surprise me one bit, but surely someone is privy to damageing information, WHY is nobody selling their story???

dolores said...

07.08.2008
The car of McCann travelled 11229 km in four months
The Belgian network and the shadow of Toscano

The case McCann: The Home Office has refused to provide information about credit cards by Gerry
The Renault Scenic was rented by McCann on May 27, 2007 and returned to the rental company on September 23. Alexander Cameron was also registered as a driver, Michael Terence Wright. In late August, another driver was included in the list: Michael Terence Wright. The last contract signed granted an extension until 24 September.Before the end of this contract, McCann contacted the rental company because the parents of Madeleine wanted to keep the car longer.
The leasing company had to turn a contract with Renault and Portugal should make their car, qu'empêchait the extension of the lease to McCann.The only possibility for McCann to keep the Renault Scenic was the purchase, but they refused the offer. On 23 September, the car was returned to the rental company in Lagos.A large man, around 1.80 metres, aged 60 to 65 years, with short hair and grey, speaking English, reported the car and signed the right of return.The car had travelled 11,229 kilometres, between May 27 and September 23. The payments to the leasing company were made with credit cards.Several extensions of the original rental contract had been negotiated with at least two different numbers of credit cards.The last extension was made on September 1 until September 24.
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
English version

Joe said...

Di,

I read the 3A post earlier and do not know what to make of it. I still cannot comprehend why there was so much interference and now at this conjecture why the necessity to up the anti all the while with this sighting nonsense. I know its to try to convince the public that Madeline is alive etc but if so many agencies were involved to make sure the PJ investigation was thwarted then why are the clan allowed to continue when all it does is make the whole thing look like a cover up. There is smething very nasty IMO at the bottom of all this.

Di said...

Oh Dear

If I hear another news report about the McCanns and "has Madeleine been taken to order" I think I will lose the will to live.

I am getting so frustrated with this case, our reporters are just not interested in reporting the truth. Normally there is one that will break ranks, but aparently not so in this case.

WHY ???

Di said...

Joe

I know the hoax theory was raised again on 3As's.

I met someone recently who said, "Just watch Madeleine will turn up safe and sound", all the media coverage just has to die down.

As much as I would love that to happen, somehow I don't think so.

Another person taken in by the pink one. I wonder how many other people are taken in also.

My sister yes, and nothing I say will change her mind. Some will never open their minds to the wider agenda, no pun intended.

Di said...

Must go now.

Will look in tomorrow.

Viv

Sorry I have missed you,I hope you are keeping well.

Bye for now.

atardi said...

Hi Di,

Had family over from Italy so now I'm reading back. I saw your post from the 3A's. Very interesting.

I always thought the British expats in Portugal and also here were/are being used.

---------------------------

What made my blood boil was that I read in a Dutch newspaper that the
Daily Mirror paid a ticket for Anna Stam so she could meet Kate and Gerry to tell them that she might have seen Madeleine.

atardi said...

Here the first part off the article from The Parool.

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AMSTERDAM - The Amsterdam Anna Stam was last night flown to London for a meeting with the parents of missing Madeleine McCann last year. At the expense of the British tabloid The Daily Mirror will tell them that they Maddie "maybe" has seen.
---------------------------------

Link: Daily Mirror pays ticket for Anna Stam to meet Kate and Gerry

Joe said...

Di,

The media have a story that will run and run. The papers are loathe to let it go. For as long as they can they will publish trash day in and day out. None of it has to be true, as long as it does not offend the clan. It is interesting that the clan do not seem to mind the papers splashing Madelines photo all over the front pages again, this time in connection with paedophile rings and taken to order. Of course if any sleight that is suggested about them its an immediate threat sue. So IMO all this obscene frenzy is with their blessing, exploitation of their own child, maybe even being paid for the stories or permission to print.Revolting.

mandarinn said...

good evening all
what is IMO the big mystery is why this nobody doctors are untouchable... it has to be something connected with some VERY influent person , and certainly a very ugly secret.
IF one day it come in light ( and i think late or soon it will be) our jaws will fell down.

mandarinn said...

....and these pair has no moral...as hasn't those who surround them

Rori Hegarty said...

this is bordering on, if not actually farcical at this stage. What i want to see is some paper printing the findings of the cadaver dog in relation to signalling the scent of death on an item of madelienes clothing, an an actual investigative journalist earning his/her money and asking the question.. how can this be ?? . Were the mccanns the unluckiest couple alive, to hire a flat and car , and wear clothes in kates case, which were reeking with the scent of death.. i dare them ask these probing questions. FSS findings are one thing , to err is human, but what are the chances of these 2 dogs both being wrong , on the same day in the same case??

dolores said...

Correio Da Manha

McCann e McCann and friends were afraid of new allegations
Kate, Gerry and his friends did not want to come to Portugal for the reconstitution of the night when Madeleine disappeared because they were afraid of being formally charged. The revelation was made this Wednesday by the spokesman of McCann.
Clarence Mitchell explained that the JN McCann and friends who spent holidays with them on the beach of Light was advised by lawyers not to return to prevent the formation of new defendants in the case.According Clarence Mitchell, the Jewish Police refused, about a year earlier, a proposal by the BBC programme Crimewatch, to complete a rebuilding program that would be passed by.
"The Kate and Gerry have conditions not because they thought that a restoration would serve only the research was useful. On the other hand, lawyers in Portugal advised the group not to return to the country because the likelihood of having to face the justice Portuguese negligently was high, "said the spokesman.
The "refusal" to participate in rebuilding led the prosecutor of Portimão to consider, in order to close, that McCann "lost the ability to verify what since its incorporation as defendants have protested: their innocence in the face of fatídico event" .
Clarence Mitchell disagrees and says that even Kate and Gerry "have nothing to prove." "They are the innocent eyes of the law and not have to prove his innocence. It is the role of the police prove the guilt of suspects in this case failed," he concluded.
In explaining the reasons were the couple not to answer the questions that researchers found relevant and that led to its establishment as defendants, as well as "the disagreements and lack of harmony, where no differences", found in the analysis of all the evidence provided, which would need to have been tested and concatenated in the actual place of occurrence, "said the MP.
The "strange behavior" until the couple were the subject of an information service, made by the researcher responsible for maintaining the link between McCann and PJ.The document made public now, you can read that the inspector saw "a number of foreign spouses behaviour" which "gradually was reacting quite negatively to the increasing activity investigatória" of the Judiciary, particularly those arising from the use of dogs for detection of odor English the body and blood.
The document addressed to the coordinator of the investigation, the inspector wrote that McCann, "several times", said that "the attention of the police should maintain targeted in the event of abduction," which in his opinion, "was the only scenario that occurred, "and that" the police should not forget to continue to investigate Robert Murat. "
And when Kate was given to the notification to attend the premises of PJ to give evidence, this "instantly reacted negatively." The Portuguese police are being lobbied the government to quickly end the investigation"
This sentence was transcribed by the inspector, Gerry insisted in advance that deliver letters and emails they would receive.

Unknown said...

Hiya all

This is from today's 24 Horas. Within 4 hours of Maddie disappearing (i.e. about 2 am!) Gerry delivered four large printed pictures to the police. As this article points out they could not have been printed at the Ocean Club and he clearly did not pop out to get them done! I am afraid this clearly implies he already had them, and again, one can see why there is a clear belief among many, that Madeleine was murdered. This is not all, you will remember the detailed discussion on this blog about how he popped home around 20 May and then the poolside pic was miraculously produced where Maddie clearly looks more like 3 than 4. If I recall correct the nanny is claiming she printed them ..I wonder how much they paid her to say that..is she the one who got a nice job in the UK?

I hope bloggers will be unravelling this one because it looks pretty serious to me!

It would be nice if the Pink er..would explain why Gerry just happened to have these pics to hand. After all normal parents go on holiday with a view to taking pics of their children, they do not take large prints with them and neither do they pop home to do a photoshop job of an old but incredibly cute pic of their child, for the benefit of the fund, er whoops I meant the police and the search.

Viv x

GERRY SAYS THAT FEZ COPIES OF IMAGES OF DAUGHTER'S NIGHT IN CRIME

The PJ examined the
the printers
Ocean Club and
Praia da Luz and
concluded that the
McCann not
may have
the printed there
photos of daughter
Hours later, the question
was put to Gerry, who said
Tuesday surrendered to authorities
a photo from a
digital camera, allegedly
printed on the receipt of
Ocean Club on the initiative of
member of the group
with which he passed on vacation
Light, Russell O'Brian.
Gerry referred to the photographs,
printed the hundreds,
on pages of A4 size,
the printer of the Ocean
Club, as confirmed the
manager of the enterprise
tour, John Hill.
Acuriosidade of PJ is in
But in other photos. Just
four, printed on paper
photographic and delivered to
GNR in the period following the
disappearance of Maddie.
In testimony, Gerry denied
he was to give them the
GNR. But in the process
also declarations of
Sílvia Baptista, one of the responsible
the Ocean Club,
testified that have seen the
Maddie's father to deliver the
photographs, printed in a
role of "type post," a
of the GNR military. "They were
virtually all the same, "
Sílvia assured Baptista.
APJ held expertise to printers
the resort and in stores
of photography in the
Vila - none had the
same type of paper used
for printing the face
of Maddie.
The existence of these photos
left still puzzled Nélson
Costa, the military called GNR
the Ocean Club on the night
, May 3. Listened to the
Judiciary, reported having seen several
photographs of Maddie,
A4 paper, and others, type
poster, "which could not have
been made "in receipt of
the tourist. ■
facts
MYSTERY. The Police
Judicial traveled all
photo of the shops
in the area of
But no Vila da Luz
it uses a role
identical to the four
images delivered to
an element of the GNR
four hours after the
disappearance of
Madeleine McCann, in
Ocean Club.
Text ● Luis Maneta
A set of four
photos delivered to
GNRna night where Maddie
is one of the disappeared
biggest puzzles of the process,
filed by prosecutors.
The case is referred to
frequency over the 17
volumes that constitute the
process because the type of photo
and the role of printing,
in a frame of 15.3 cm
by 10.3 cm, "is not practical
to carry, "said the second
by the inspector Tavares
de Almeida, PJ of Portimão,
in a letter which calls
the Laboratory of Police
Scientific examination of the characteristics
pictures.
Another inspector, John
Carlos, says that the fact that
the photographs are
held by relatives of
Maddie was "unusual" because
"That night had not
possibility of
a revelation of that type and
with that format. " The PJ
always wanted to know who printed
the photos, which it did, and
because they were taken to the
Algarve. The questions remain
unanswered.
When defendant was formed,
on September 7,
2007, Kate McCann was questioned
on how to disseminate
the face of Mddie,
in the hours following his
disappearance. No reply

GNR received
the images
He was the commander of
put the GNR of Lagos,
Antonio Duarte, who received
the mysterious photographs.
Four images,
equal, two by two, printed
on photographic paper
with 15.3 by 10.3 cm.
When questioned by PJ,
military have been confirmed
him to receive the images,
around the two in the morning
on May 4 --
only four hours after
it has been reported
the disappearance.
Antonio Duarte guarantees
that the photographs have been
when delivered
within a
police car to collect the
items of identification
the parents of Maddie, but
failed to identify the
the person who delivered it.
In their statements,
commander of the GNR said
have been with the "concept"
to have seen Gerry McCann
but "can not say" if
was that he had the photos.
But of one thing
was right: "They could not
have been printed / disclosed
on the premises of
Ocean Club. "

dylan said...

Viv,

How curious? Not the sort of thing you take on holiday with you for any reason really and not printed within the complex?

Hmmmm, very interesting!

xx

Unknown said...

Nanny's UK job location is being withheld at the request of the Mccanns, now what did this have to do with them, silly me!

Last updated at 14:50 14 October 2007


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The nanny: Catriona Baker poses in her Mark Warner T-shirt
This is the nanny Madeleine McCann's parents believe will be a key witness in their fight to clear their names and find their daughter.

For five months the identity of the Mark Warner employee who was looking after Madeleine in Praia da Luz's Kids Club in the hours before her disappearance has been a closely held secret.

She was witness to the McCanns' movements during the week they were on holiday in Portugal and fed Madeleine less than three hours before she disappeared.

On the morning after Madeleine's disappearance it is believed she even told Portuguese police of a man she had seen acting 'suspiciously' around the apartments.

Today we can reveal her identity as 20-year-old Catriona Baker, the daughter of a nurse and draughtsman from Manchester.

The McCanns believe Ms Baker is a key witness in the defence that they are assembling with the aid of a team of lawyers and investigators.

Ms Baker has told friends she is convinced of the McCanns' innocence. She is still in contact with Kate McCann and was said by friends to have been hit hard by her charge's disappearance, even being offered trauma counselling by Mark Warner Holidays.

Intriguingly, Ms Baker revealed to one friend - spoken to by this newspaper - that she told Portuguese police of a man she saw acting strangely near the apartments in the days leading up to Madeleine's disappearance on May 3.

Read more...

Bloody footprint found in McCanns' apartment
Nanny to be quizzed over 'Madeleine dumped at sea' claim
She was interviewed for just three hours by police on the morning after Madeleine's disappearance. This compares with the four-and-a-half hours endured by Charlotte Pennington, another nanny at the resort who was witness to Kate's 'hysterical' reaction to Madeleine's disappearance.

The Mail on Sunday has also learned that within 24 hours of that interview Ms Baker was dispatched by Mark Warner to take up a new position in the Greek resort of San Agostino along with four other members of staff.

They were all linked to the seven holidaymakers who had eaten in the resort's tapas restaurant with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

It is believed Ms Baker has since been reinterviewed by both British and Portuguese police but she has been told not to comment on the investigation.

The young nanny, described as 'fun and vivacious', has been deeply affected by Madeleine's disappearance, telling friends of nights without sleep and a complete loss of appetite.

Writing to one concerned friend nine days after Madeleine disappeared, she admitted: 'I was her nanny, so it's been tough for me, you wouldn't recognise me.

'It's hit me so hard I've hardly slept or eaten. My mum came to see me, but transferring me to "San Ag" has put me back at stage one as I am so stressed again.

'Love you loads, thanks for writing. I'm sorry I haven't been in touch, I have not been out of the house much.'

To another she added: 'Thanks so much for your support ... I am trying to cope, but not really liking "San Ag"... I don't plan on staying here. If they don't send me back to Portugal. I'll go home.'

She had been introduced to Gerry and Kate McCann on the first evening of their holiday at the Ocean Club resort as Madeleine's designated nanny and had developed a 'good relationship with the couple and especially with Madeleine', according to a friend.

On the day Madeleine disappeared Ms Baker had spent nearly six hours with the toddler, along with five other children aged between three and five. Two of those are believed to have been the children of the McCanns' friends, David and Fiona Payne.

Madeleine and her two-year-old twin siblings, Sean and Amelie, were placed in the resort's Kids Club, where Ms Baker worked, at around 10am while their parents took a stroll before collecting them at 12.30pm for lunch back at the apartment.

In the afternoon, the McCanns played tennis while Madeleine went back to her nanny at the children's club, who gave her tea at 5.30pm. Madeleine, Sean and Amelie were picked up by their parents at 6pm.

Ms Baker was not with the McCanns when the alarm was sounded over Madeleine's disappearance just before 10pm. However, she joined the search shortly after 11pm after completing her duties as a night babysitter.

Mark Warner did not return Ms Baker to Portugal from Greece and she has since left the company. She is now a live-in nanny looking after three children. Her location is being withheld on the request of the McCanns.

Ms Baker refused to comment about the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, adding: 'I don't want to go through it again.'

Unknown said...

Hiya Dillie

Well Gezza is not quite as smart as he likes to think, is he:-)))


xxxx

dylan said...

Mandarinn,

You're right. All very scary IMO.

xx

Unknown said...

I wonder what Kate and Gerry were really having a big row about the night before, maybe she was even trying to protect Maddie, sleeping in there..unlikely I know, she is just as bad as him. You do not put up with men like him, you report them and get the hell out of it!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Couple of new pics added at top from PJ investigation files x

dylan said...

No he's not is he? He's so arrogant that he believes the rest of us are stupid.

Re abusive partners, you do put up with it for a while because you want to believe that they'll change
and because you're afraid to tell them to. The problem with men like that is that they make you feel like you can't cope without them. It's all part of a vicious circle of dependency. I put up with it for 8 years! Trouble is, men like that turn on their kids too. I tend to agree that Kate may have been trying to help Maddie and something went very wrong.

Had our handing - in party last night and my head hurts this morning - all self inflicted :) Where is Docmac these days?

xx

Unknown said...

By the way all thanks for all your kind wishes for Luke's birthday too. We had a lovely meal and actually managed to dine al fresco, with the sun shining, amazing! Yea I know, it does stop raining occasionally!

Luke has now just gone away for the weekend, alright for some, I will carry on decorating!

Viv xx

dylan said...

*and because you're afraid to tell them to *go

dylan said...

Just looked at the pics. God! and I thought I was a P**s head!

xx

dylan said...

I am glad that Luke had a nice birthday. Can't beat this country when you actually can eat outside can you?

xx

Ecolab said...

The Mysterious Pics of Madeleine:

Gerry said he made copies with Maddie’s image on the night of the crime

The mysterious pics

The PJ analyzed the printers in the Ocean Club and in Praia da Luz and came to the conclusion that the McCanns could never have printed the pics from their daughter there. A set of 4 pics that the McCanns gave to the GNR on the night of the disppearance is one of the major mysteries in the process that was closed by the MP. Many references are made to these pics in the 17-volume dossier, because the type of photographs and the paper were they are printed – in a size 15,3 cm x 10,3 cm – is not “convenient for transportation” says inspector Tavares de Almeida from the PJ in Portimao, in a request he sent to the Scientific Police Lab to analyze the pics.
Inspector Joan Carlos says it was ‘strange’ that the family was in posession of those pics because on that night they couldn’t have had the possibility to make that type of photos in that size. The PJ always wanted to know who took the pics, where they were taken and why they were taken to the Algarve.
When Kate was made arguida on Sep 7, she was questioned about the ways they were making known the face of Madeleine, just hours after her disappearance, but Kate didn’t answer. Some hours later, the same question was asked to Gerry, who said the pics had been taken with a digital camera and printed in the reception of the Ocean Club by iniciative of Russel O’Brien. Gerry was making reference to hundreds of photographs that were being printed in A4 sheets in the printer of the Ocean Club as was confirmed by the manager of the complex, John Hill.
But the pics that are intriguing for the PJ are the others. The set of 4 pics that the McCanns gave to the GNR on the night of the disppearance. Gerry declared that he was not the one that had given the pics to the GNR. But the dossier contains also declarations from Sílvia Baptista, responsible for the Ocean Club who says she saw the father of Madeleine give the pics, on a poster-type paper to one of the militaries of the GNR. “They were practically all similar” said Baptista. The PJ made a research of the printers available in Luz, but the sort of paper the pics of Maddie were printed on, could not be found anywhere. Nelson Costa, one of the militaries in the GNR who was called on the night of 3 May, was perplex. He told the PJ he saw several pictures of Maddie, some A4 size and others with the size of a poster, that ‘couldn’t have been made’ in the reception of the Ocean Club.

GNR got the pics
Antonio Duarte, a commander for the GNR in Lagos, got the mysterious pics. Four equal images, in sets of two, printed in photographic paper, 15,3 cm x 10,3 cm. The military declared to the PJ that he got the pics at 2 a.m. on the 4th of May – four hours after the disappearance was reported. Antonio Duarte said he got the pics when he was sitting in a vehicle when trying to get identification data of the McCanns, but that he cannot recall who gave him the pics. He declares he’s got ‘an idea’ that he saw Gerry McCann but that he cannot ‘guarantee’ that Gerry was the one that gave him the pics. Nonetheless he’s quite sure that the pics “could not have been revealed / printed on the premises of the Ocean Club.’

(Under the pic) The McCanns had 4 copies of this picture, on photographic paper, and this fact intrigued the PJ, because Gerry said that the copies had been made in the Ocean Club, and they were not made there.

As fotos misteriosas

24Horas*08/08/08

dylan said...

Ecolab,

the photo thing is very strange. It would have taken forward planning, for certain. Nobody takes pictures of their kids on holiday with them unless they are going without their kids. It also means that her death was planned? They couldn't have gone to a chemist and printed the pics out within 4 hours but I'm not happy that they did plan her death. I'm still thinking along the lines of sedation and accidental death. All very confusing.

How are you? Are you enjoying the holidays?

xx

Ecolab said...

Dear Dylan:

Sorry to say but, I still think the abduction and the Fond thing were planned ahead, but the death an accident. Maybee a bussiness deal/presentation, that went wrong!
".... We were waiting for something to happen but didn't in our worst nightmare think it would be this."

I`m back from Italy and back at work.Very, very busy...some very strange characters out there!

I think too, Madeleine is better off, where she is now!

dylan said...

Ecolab,

Sorry you have to come back off holiday to so much work. I know your theory and see where you are coming from. I just can't bring myself to accept that it was pre-planned but I do think they sedated her and killed her trying to revive her. I expect the british police will be knocking at my door shortly!

xx

dylan said...

I think she's better off too. Wouldn't want to be brought up by those selfish parents or become victim to sick paedophile gang. I never could understand why the McSpams thought that preferable. Maybe because they knew she wasn't in that situation.

Anybody know what happened to Docmac?

xx

ratonthebeam said...

Here's something you all might like. Courtesy of the Daily Wail.

The couple in the Joke Shop with Maddie

Looks like Gerry has already purchased a novelty false moustache.

Then look at the comparison on here - as they say, a picture paints a thousand words. Better than any of us ever could.

dylan said...

RotB - looool!
xx

Anonymous said...

'thought that preferable. Maybe because they knew she wasn't in that situation.'

Dylan and enable more money to come flowing in from the gullible public.

Stonemaid said...

The likeness of the photo-fit pictures to the Teflon Duo is quite remarkable - I wonder what CM will have to say about that!!

Were Kate and Gerry in Amsterdam after Madeleine went missing? I'm overloaded with all the confusing information and cannot remember....

Di said...

Hi all

Stonemaid

It was mentioned that Gerry made a trip to Amsterdam after Madeleine's disappearance but I am not sure if Kate went as well.

As for Gerry handing over the pictures of Madeleine to the police, I can't get my head round that one!

docmac said...

Dyl

Here I am. Just been a very stressful and busy week business-wise negotiating both a new contract and a book deal. Still have scores of emails to answer too. There goes the weekend :-(

Things have improved for you I see :-))))) I'm very happy for you.

A belated happy birthday to Viv. Did you save me a slice?

Stonemaid said...

Hello Di

Yes, I thought Gerry had been to Amsterdam, although was it just his wallet that went there??!!

I agree - having the pictures of Madeleine 'ready to go' is quite beyond belief.

So much contradiction and so much spin is leaving me totally confused and bemused. Nothing ever quite fits - no matter what the theory.

I just hope and pray that one of these days someone will truly get to the bottom of what did and did not happen and that the Teflon Duo will get their day in court!!

Stonemaid said...

Hello Doc

Glad to see you back!

Talking of missing people - I really do wish I knew what had happened to Alsabella. It still doesn't seem quite complete without her input.

Stonemaid

Di said...

Hello Stonemaid

The pictures bring me back to a planned hoax, but then I think where did the cadavar come into everything, we know the dogs do not lie!! Oh my head hurts with all this thinking!!

Doc

Nice to see you. I agree with Stonemaid, what happened to Alsabella and also 2345? I do hope all is well.

docmac said...

Hi Di and Stonemaid

Nice to see you too. I'm going to hunker down for tonight. Some very interesting stories coming out of the files hey? Those two would have been locked away in most other civilised countries a long time ago.

I will have to do a lot of reading this weekend, but I do want to spend most of it with my children who have hardly seen me for the past 10 days or so. That is number 1 for me. Will catch up while they sleep.

xx

Di said...

Hi Doc

Your children are very lucky to have a father like you, enjoy your time with them, believe me they grow up so fast.

Enjoy your weekend.

atardi said...

Hi Di,

Have you seen my last posts to you?

docmac said...

Hallo Atardi

Was just logging off and I saw you. I do have your digitale pos and will answer over the weekend. Liefde vir almal daar by julle. Hope you had a great vacation in Italy.

J x

Di said...

Off now myself.

Before I go I was surprised to read on 3As's that the FUND paid for the Mccann's accomodation after they moved out of apartment
5A. It was revealed in Amaral's book sorry I have not read the whole translation.

Quite honestly I find this unbelievable, the fund was set up to find Madeleine, how could they abuse the use of the fund immediately. It speaks volumes IMO.

Di said...

Atardi

Which ones?

Di said...

Sorry for typos

atardi said...

Docmac,

Het was geweldig. Ik vroeg me al af waar je was toen ik terug was van Italië.

Ik hoor wel van jou. Doe rustig aan en geniet van je kinderen.

atardi said...

Di,

It seems that when you log out I log in.

Just read back if you have time.

atardi said...

I think the British media will report tomorrow about sightings in Belgium.

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But I just translated this article via Google.

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Vertaling: Nederlands » Engels

07/08/2008 12:29
Maddie: federal prosecutor had not received any information on paedophile network
(Belga) The Belgian federal prosecutor of the British investigators of the Portuguese nor received any information as would the British toddler Madeleine McCann on order of a Belgian paedophile network abducted. That is Thursday from Lieve Pellens, spokeswoman for the federal prosecutor, learned.
Several British media, including the authoritative The Independent, reported Thursday that British police would have received such information. The media also quote from a confidential e-mail that the Metropolitan Police to the police of Leicestershire - where the McCann family lives - would have driven. In that mail would allow someone who has links with a Belgian paedophile network, the girl in Praia Da Luz would have photographed. The picture would then be forwarded to the leaders of the Belgian network and that would have mandated Maddie to abduct. The information would be disseminated through Interpol, including in London, Finland, Germany and Belgium. The federal prosecutor says nothing, however, to be aware. "We have no information on this or ask to information received," said spokeswoman Lieve Pellens. (TIP)

Di said...

Hi Atardi

If you mean about the british expats being used I totally agree.

I also think that is why Gerry went to Amsterdam to get help from ex friends etc.,

Nothing with this case will surprise me anymore except for the fact that I am beginning to think we are not going to win the rest of the public over.

A member of my family that was coming around to my way of thinking, has now told me I was wrong. The papers are releasing the case files and they say Madeleine was abducted..WHAT!!!!

If I cannot convince my flesh and blood there is no hope believe me.

Sorry, I am feeling very despondent that we will ever see justice for Madeleine, but I promise you I will never give up.

Enjoy your evening all.

See you tomorrow.

hope4truth said...

Hello ALl

Dyl you have handed in congrats enjoy your freedom for a while xxx

I think public opinion is changing against them (it has been for a long time)I visted some new offices today and the subject came up (not from me) and they were both saying that there was something very odd about it all and the thought the McCanns were lying.

I told them to have a look at the McCann Files as it is a good source for all that has gone on with no opinion also said to read Gerry's blogs on it as they make him look very dodgey.

If the papers are not going to print things nothing wrong with pointing people in the direction of the real information...

xxx

Stonemaid said...

From the DE.....

"Portuguese police wanted to bug the parents of missing Madeleine McCann

Friday August 8,2008

Portuguese police wanted to bug the parents of missing Madeleine McCann but a judge refused to give permission, their case files have revealed.

Police wanted to bug Gerry and Kate McCann to eavesdrop on their conversations before making the couple "arguidos", or formal suspects, last summer.

Their files from the investigation have revealed that on August 1 last year, detectives requested permission to place two bugs in the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz and one in their car. But judge Pedro Frias refused to grant the order, saying the couple's witness statements would be enough."

What a shame!!!

docmac said...

Sorry to say this, but I am now convinced people like Frias and Menezes were paid off... And I'm not so sure about Rebelo any longer. I wish Amaral had ben able to pursue this case to the end. Maybe he still can, just in a different way.

G'night Stonemaid and any lurkers.

docmac said...

ben = been

Unknown said...

Hiya Everyone

Doc, great to see you back, I wondered what happened to you!

Nanday ate the last of the cake:-)) but thanks for my happy birthday wishes. I am thinking this year will be one big birthday, if you know what I mean

I have just been looking at the second picture at the top of this thread. The brown area of flooring looks to me like the tile glue, do others agree? they must have taken the tiles up. Also it therefore seems to me this is the crucial area marked by both dogs for blood and cadaver scent. It is very sad to think this is where Maddie may have actually died.

What do others think. The numbers seem to be run in way that suggests the police think there is a pattern showing what happened perhaps with number one being on the floor, is this where she had a nasty head injury? I remember Alsabella saying they had found blood having lifted the floor.

Viv x

Unknown said...

Gerry explains in his blog (which he no longer wants on his webpage cannot think why) how they managed to catch up with a few helpful friends in er Amsterdam who are "actively campaigning on our behalf". What a devotion to duty they demonstrate:-)))


Day 35 - 07/06/2007
DATE GERRY USED
Day 35 - 06th June 2007
The press conference, meetings and appeal on TV today in Amsterdam all seemed to go well. I doubt there are many people left in Europe who do not know of Madeleine’s disappearance and hopefully everyone who has information will have come forward to the police. Today was particularly difficult for Kate and I because of the year we spent in Amsterdam with Madeleine. We have many friend s still there and could never have imagined coming back without her in such dreadful circumstances. Afterwards we caught with a friend of mine who was attending a medical conference in Amsterdam and a friend who helps run a playgroup that we attended We arrived back in Portugal and managed to spend some time with Sean and Amelie. We then drove to the concert in Lagos in aid of Madeleine, which is the first large public event in Portugal that I know of supporting the campaign. It was interesting mix of jazz, blues, orchestra and rap! We were presented with a painting with green and yellow hands from a class of schoolkids- hands of hope. There was a short speech and Kate thanked tke local community for their support. The amount of media coverage Madeleine’s disappearance has received is phenomenal. After Morocco we will have to take stock and decide on our best strategy. I am not convinced going to other European countries and holding meetings similar to Berlin and Amsterdam will help.

Screenshots
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Berlin

Day 34-35-36



Amsterdam

Day 34-35-36



Day 34 -06/06/2007 - Wednesday
Today seemed to go very well with huge interest in our search for Madeleine. There has also been a little bit of criticism in the German press about the amount of media coverage but this did not seem to diminish the level of interest. The German interviewers are a little more direct with their questions but I was still surprised by the question as to whether Kate and I may be involved in Madeleine’s abduction! Hopefully our answers removed any doubt on that score and that our sole focus in all of the family campaigning is to get Madeleine back. After the media we met with a couple of politicians in private. Firstly, we saw the deputy justice minister for Germany who gave us reassurances regarding the investigation. Following this we met the Mayor of Berlin who is a very powerful and charismatic politician. He asked us what he could do for us and following this meeting asked German tourists who were in the Algarve around the time of Madeleine’s abduction to come forward. He is very popular and such public backing should help our appeal. We had to delay our onward flight to Amsterdam because of some information received by the police, which we needed to be consulted on. We diverted to the embassy in Berlin but it turned out to be nothing of interest. We unfortunately had to miss 2 TV programmes as we arrived in Amsterdam 3 hours late, very tired and emotionally drained. We did manage to catch up with a few friends briefly who we know from the year we lived in Amsterdam. They have been actively campaigning here on our behalf with poster distribution, contacting media and liasing with companies to get advertising space for large posters of Madeleine.

Stonemaid said...

Thanks Viv

So they were BOTH in Amsterdam after Madeleine's disappearance ......... ....interesting!

It's still all a minefield of information and misinformation which is mind-boggling at times!!

Night all, or anyone still around!

Stonemaid

P.S. Does ANYONE know how Alsabella is??? The silence from her, anywhere but her private blog I suppose, is like an eerie silence. She was so vocal once and I really do miss her!!

Ecolab said...

Judge refuses tappings on the McCann couple
Investigation – the only fingerprint on the window belongs to Kate


The criminal instruction judge did not allow for ambient tapping in the villa in Praia da Luz where the McCann moved into in July last year, a short time after Maddie’s disappearance. The Judiciária wanted to listen to the conversations between Kate and Gerry in a search for a possible involvement of Maddie’s parents in the disappearance of the child, which took place on the 3rd of May 2007.

The McCanns moved into the Vista do Mar villa, in the Luz Parque area, when they were not arguidos yet. They only left the house on the 9th of September, when they returned to England.

The request from the Judiciária took into account a series of indicia that is mentioned in the process, including the only fingerprint that was found on the Ocean Club apartment’s window of the bedroom where Maddie slept, and where she allegedly was taken through. That fingerprint belongs to Kate McCann.
The hand mark – thumb and indicator – may indicate that Kate opened it. The direction and the position of the fingers on the window indicate that it was opened towards the left.

This is one more lead that was abandoned on the way, despite the glaring contradiction with Madeleine’s mother’s witness statement.

Kate is the only person who refers that the window was open. As there are no signs of a break-in or of the presence of strangers, the Polícia Judiciária looked for traces of gloves, which weren’t found either. The only marking is Kate McCann’s hand, given the fact that the window had been cleaned on the day before the child’s disappearance by the employee who carried out the cleaning of the apartment.

In the statement that she gave to the Portuguese police right after her daughter’s disappearance, Kate clearly refers that “the door to the children’s bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters were up and the curtains were open, while she is certain that she had closed everything.”

The fingerprint was registered and photographed by the Polícia Judiciária’s investigators and may indicate that Madeleine McCann’s parents simulated the abduction crime.



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Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the process: “It was a very important means of evidence”
Correio da Manhã – Was it important for the investigation to listen to Kate’s and Gerry’s dialogues?

Gonçalo Amaral – It was a very important means of evidence, the last opportunity that we had to find out what they said. Even in order to set some doubts aside. The judge refused and we accepted it.

Why is Kate McCann’s fingerprint relevant? Wasn’t it supposed to be there?

It is the only fingerprint on the window, when she said herself that she never opened it. As there are no signs of a break-in and no signs of gloves and the window had been cleaned a short time before, it becomes relevant, mainly when they defend the theory that an abductor went through the window.

There is a denunciation in the process concerning the possibility that Maddie was abducted on demand from a Belgian paedophile ring. Did the PJ follow that lead?

Everything was analyzed. It was treated in the same manner as all the other denunciations. We investigated.

Correio da Manhã

Correio da Manhã, 08.08.08

Ecolab said...

I PEE IN MY PANTS *LOOOOOL*

Great work SKY

Sketches Of Madeleine 'Abductors'

Take a look at those comments:

I am with JULIE SANDERS...They are spitting image of MADDIES PARENTS??? \nSoon as i saw picture i thought of them...Very suspicious???
Posted By :Loretta Report This

Surely they should collate all of the sightings and create a definitive ID picture? Then we'd have a swarthy, shabby down-and-out guy with no facial detail save for a dodgy moustache, holding a rusty air-rifle (or gun as the papers would have it), speaking Portuguese, but actually from Morocco, a member of a circus, oh and he looks like Gerry. I say arrest anyone on sight who looks like this.
Posted By :Stephen Report This

I would say Ms Stam has a vivid imagination-does she realise the photofit images are the spit of Mr &Mrs McCann?
Posted By :Julie Sanders Report This

Have a look again:

The Female
and
The Male
and the
mustache


*Justice for Maddie*

Unknown said...

Hiya alll the case below shows how we deal with Brits who murder abroad, I am sure the same is in store for the McCanns in spite of Judge Frias obvious lack of co-operation with Goncalo Amaral, presumably because he was out of favour for being indicted in the Cipriano case perhaps- what about little Madeleine who he worked for..I cannot but applaud a policeman who works for murdered children, not their murdering parents.

Nuneaton man charged with murdering wife in Spain
Aug 5 2008 By Steve Evans and Emma Stone

A 62-YEAR-OLD local man has been charged with killing his wife in Spain.

Allen Heard is accused of murdering his wife Pat, who disappeared two years ago.

Heard, who used to live in The Raywoods, Nuneaton and also in Leicester Street, Bedworth, before emigrating with his wife to Spain, is also charged with perverting the course of justice.

He appeared before magistrates in Nuneaton for the first time yesterday.

The couple emigrated to Oliva, near Valencia, in 2004 and Mrs Heard was reported missing two years later. A massive public appeal was launched to find her but no trace was found.

Now detectives in England and in Spain, who are working together on the case, believe her body may be buried in a shallow grave near Valencia.

Allen Heard made a brief appearance at the Nuneaton Justice Centre yesterday afternoon.

Heard, who returned to England from Spain recently, was arrested after voluntarily walking into a police station in Warwickshire.

He faces charges of the murder of his 58-year-old wife Patricia on or before July 30, 2006, and

perverting the course of justice by reporting her missing and concealing her body in a grave.

He was remanded in custody to Blakenhurst Prison to appear again at Warwick Crown Court for a plea and direction hearing on August 15.

Heard, wearing a suit, spoke only to confirm his address in Spain and his date of birth.

Neil Bannister, prosecuting, said he would oppose any application for bail.

He said: "The police still have a number of inquiries to make in England and Spain and now, of course, the most important one is to recover the body and repatriate it for a post-mortem examination. The police have a delicate and sensitive task to recover the body."

No application for bail was made.

Mrs Heard's disappearance in 2006 shocked her family and friends in the Coventry and Bedworth area.

Before they moved abroad Mrs Heard had been popular at the Black Horse pub in Exhall where she was a member of the ladies' darts team.

At the time of her disappearance in 2006, an appeal for information was posted on a website run by the UK charity Missing People. It read: "Her family and friends are extreme-ly worried for Patricia's welfare as her disappearance is completely out of character. They just want to know that Patricia is okay and urge her to make contact with someone to reassure them of her well-being."

In a desperate attempt to find out what had happened, Mrs Heard's daughter Linda Jones, of Nuneaton, also spoke to the Telegraph. She described her mother as "confident and sociable".

She said: "We just want to know she is safe. This is completely out of character... She has missed two grandchildren's birthdays - that's the bit I can't get over, I just can't see why she's done that.

"We've got in touch with everyone we know but there might be other friends we're not aware of. Someone may be talking to her not knowing she is missing - it's our last chance. We don't know what else to do."

Today, murder squad detectives in Nuneaton were liaising with police in Valencia as a grim search for a body was continuing.

Unknown said...

Lol Eco

Well done to Sky for giving us such a great photofit of the two suspects!

Also good to see the public pick up the subliminal message, of course Sky must not libel the McCanns:-))))


Viv x

dylan said...

Hi folks!

I am mighty glad that the public aint buying the rubbish that the media is trotting out. Sky 0, Public 1!

Docmac, it's good to 'see' you again. Life did improve for me fleetingly, and then got worse again. Oh well, I'm a tough old bird really! I wanted to know if mother's hormones have an effect on gender. I know xx = girl and xy = boy but I'm sure I read somewhere that in the case of a boy, the mother's body needs to provide a certain hormone to kick-start the development of the male sex organs etc. I just can't find an article to confirm this! Can you help?

Off out in a bit for boat trip on the Norflolk Broads with my uni friends and my son.

Have a good day, everybody, wherever you all are.

xx

Di said...

Hello all

Not much happening on here today so I have read back on 3A's.

This is a very interesting thread if you have not seen it.



http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21288

Di said...

It would appear that PI's were already in PDL sifting through information etc., before M3 were even employed, WHY?

As one poster says, perhaps removing the evidence. We shall see, or will we!!

Something is very wrong here, and now we hear M3 are considering sueing The British Press, is this a joke???

dylan said...

Hello Di.

It's been really quiet today. I got back from our trip, logged - in and found my post from this morning still the last one!
I hope this means that everyone is out having fun.

xx

Di said...

Hi Dyl

We have had so much rain here today in Cheshire it has been terrible. I have been trying to catch up with e-mails etc., whilst I have the time.

Stonemaid said...

Hi Di and Dyl - did either of you see Richard and Judy's column today, waxing lyrical about the Teflon Twosome and how the new sightings are such good news for them??

It just makes you sick doesn't it. I used to watch their programme, but haven't bothered for ages - since they showed their true colours!

Stonemaid

Di said...

Sorry if this has been posted before, if not it is worth a watch.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyJqc1m0Pcs

Di said...

Hi Stonemaid

Don't mention Richard & Judy to me, they just cannot see sense, but then again am I right, Richard was a journalist, says it all really.

Di said...

I cannot believe Lorraine Kelly in the Sun today either.

What is up with these people??

Di said...

Sorry I forgot to post what Shubob posted on 3A's re- Lorraine's comments, for those who have not seen it.



Published: 09 Aug 2008

OF all the many cruelties inflicted on Madeleine McCann’s parents, the possibility that their little girl begged an Amsterdam shop assistant for help shortly after she went missing is surely the deepest cut of all.

According to Anna Stam, who worked in a party shop and whose statement has only come to light this week, the little girl told her that her name was Maddie then asked Anna if she knew where her mummy was.

She added that the woman she was in the shop with was “not my mummy” and that “they took me from my holiday”.

It is chilling enough for us to read, but can you imagine the effect on Kate and Gerry McCann?

Anna, who called the police in Holland, said the child spoke English and had a very pallid and emotionless face.

If it was Madeleine, this would make sense as she would be in deep shock at being ripped away from her mum and dad and the twins.

This sighting was just days after Madeleine disappeared. Although Portuguese police were informed, Kate and Gerry were never told and, as far as we know, it was never checked up or acted upon. .

This week it also emerged there were two further sightings of a little girl in Amsterdam who matched Madeleine’s description and three more in Belgium.

Pensioner Hannie Weichmann, who claims one of the sightings in Amsterdam, said: “Those eyes. I knew it was her.”

All of these cases could have been nothing more than mistaken identity, but we will never know for sure.

Howl

The police in Portugal were so focused on trying to shoehorn the evidence into proving Madeleine’s parents had killed their daughter that they lost a potential chance to find the little girl.

More and more experts now believe that Madeleine, a stunningly beautiful child, was specifically targeted by a paedophile ring and “kidnapped to order”. (Is Lorraine somehow connected to Jon Corner? She must be sick to refer to Maddie as "stunning")

I know that the thought of what these monsters can do to children has given Kate and Gerry sleepless nights, but their anger and frustration at the profoundly inept police investigation must have also made them want to howl in despair.

It transpired this week that Kate even sent a heartbreaking letter to the police pleading with them to share information and begging them to work with her and Gerry to find their daughter.

It is deeply moving and shows not only her utter despair, but also her desire to move heaven and earth to find her girl.

Without wanting to panic every parent with a cute little boy or girl under five, it is clear there are evil gangs of paedophiles who will stop at nothing to get their hands on little kids.

Those who snatched Madeleine are still lurking out there, possibly taking photos of other boys and girls and plotting their next kidnap.

I believe we desperately need some sort of Europe-wide anti-paedophile task force with enough money to be effective and enough expertise to smash these vile rings of perverts and sickos.

We are in the middle of the holiday season and it is easy to be less vigilant when we are in a “sun, sea and sand” mentality.

Without becoming paranoid we need to keep a watchful eye on our children and grandchildren at all times. Don’t think it could never happen to you.

That’s what Kate and Gerry McCann believed. They will spend the rest of their lives searching for their daughter and torturing themselves over whether she is alive or dead.

And if she is still in the land of the living, just what sort of hell is she being subjected to?

Di said...

I think I have spoken to myself long enough for now.

Off to watch tv.

Bye for now enjoy your evening.

dylan said...

Hi Di and Stonemaid and bye, Di.

That use of the word 'stunning' is very inappropriate. It doesn't matter what a child looks like. Each and every child deserves love and protection regardless of what they look like. It almost sounds like they are trying to say that ugly children would have been better abduction targets. Sick.

I haven't looked at the news for the last couple of days as it's getting to me now. The degree of bias is repulsive and the fact that the reporting is so skewed, I find frightening.

xx

docmac said...

Geez I get a free moment and there is nobody at home. No real news at all? What about the news of another 'sighting' on one of the islands off Venezuela?

Oh well, hope everyone had a great day. Sleep well.

Anonymous said...

Hi Doc,

Did you see the question Dylan asked you @ 10.08 am. Dylan asked this a few days ago. Am I right in thinking that is why everyone has nipples. Not being crude a genuine belief of mine.

Anonymous said...

Hi and bye all,

Read you later.

docmac said...

For Di

Referring to one of your links above: Try this :-)

(a href="http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21288")This is a very interesting link(/a)

Now replace the ( and ) brackets with < and > and see what happens. You can do it :-))))

Then in future just replace the link and the text you want seen et voila!

docmac said...

Hi Zodiac

Thanks, I had not seen it. The simple answer is that women have no input as to sex determination. That's a man's job :-)

The sex chromosomes in women are XX, in a man XY. An ovum can therefore only be X (as in all chromosomes half will come from the mother), but a single sperm cell could carry either an X or a Y (male) chromosome. If the X wins the race it's going to be a girl, if the Y is the faster swimmer it's going to be a boy.

Strange things do happen occasionally. For example 2 sperm cells rarely get into the ovum together, so we sometimes see XXX, XXY or XYY. These cause various degrees of confused genetic sexual expression. I am sure you have heard of hermaphroditism - commonly XXY, where a single individual may have the sexual characteristics of both a male and a female, and there are many variations on that too.

Regarding nipples - we all have both female and male chromosomes. PRIMARY sexual characteristics are the same in all of us. We all have nipples because we all carry the X. Furthermore ovaries and testes are the same tissue embryologically until about 12 weeks gestation, when the differentiation begins. The clitoris and the penis are identical until about 20 weeks in utero. We see this in severely prem babies when the girls often appear to have 'bigger ones' than the boys!! lol!!! It's a VERY complex subject, embryology.

The big differences are the SECONDARY sexual characteristics which kick in at puberty when males start to produce testosterone in large quantities while females start to spurt oestrogen and progesterone (amongst others). These lead to enlargement of the penis, breasts, menstruation, differing patterns of bodily hair etc.

You might be interested to know that men produce oestrogen and progesterone too (our 'feminine side'). Equally, women produce testosterone, sometimes too much of it. Ask any woman who has excessive body hair and and an alarming case of acne!!

Sorry if it's been a boring ride, but I felt like exercising my typing fingers (both of them) before going to bed.

docmac said...

"we all have both female and male chromosomes"

Sorry, just read my post again. I put that really badly. What I meant to say was we all have female chromosomes... I was getting ahead of myself on the male part. But I am biased like that :-)) Eedjit..

docmac said...

Goodnight to absent friends.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Docmac.

docmac said...

Stung by the Portuguese men of law
Evidence from files on the Madeleine McCann investigation show how badly her parents were treated by Portugese police
Kate McCann holding Madeleine’s cuddly toy

In recent months Kate and Gerry McCann have been trying to regain some normality in their lives after their daughter Madeleine disappeared in May last year. Gerry has returned to work as a hospital consultant, Kate is busy with Sean and Amelie, their three-year-old twins.

Then last week the Portuguese police, the Policia Judiciaria, released their dossier on the case - and its contents stunned the family all over again.

Despite being prepared for the worst, the couple were shocked by the dossier’s evidence of incompetence, missed opportunities - and of the determination of the Portuguese police to implicate the McCanns in their daughter’s disappearance.

They learnt that two e-fits of suspects were never released; that a series of reported sightings of Madeleine were kept secret from them; and that Scotland Yard intelligence suggested Madeleine had been snatched by an international paedophile ring. The McCanns also discovered how the police had misconstrued and overplayed evidence against them; attempted to bug their rented home and car; and asked the Home Office to hand over details of the couple’s credit card bills.

In a document translated by the Sunday Times yesterday, Tavares Almeida, a chief inspector with the Portuguese police, accused the McCanns and the friends on holiday with them of “lying”. In a memo dated September 10, Almeida noted: “The statements from the whole group result in a total lack of coherence, from which we easily conclude that they’re all lying.”

Also in the file was a letter Kate had written to Paolo Rebelo, the head of the investigation, begging to be kept informed of developments. “I am appealing to you as a fellow human being to work with us (if possible to include us) and to remember that we are Madeleine’s parents . . . lack of communication is torture,” she wrote.

She appears to have received no reply. Once again the file rams home how coldly the Portuguese had treated the family.

Yesterday a friend of the McCanns said: “There is a sense of anger, frustration and great sadness. They’ve waited for this [evidence of sightings] for a long time. It’s work they could have started 15 months ago. But this is the time for them to keep focus and consider everything carefully before deciding what course of action to take. Then they will have their day, they will make their views clear.”

The couple’s priority remains finding Madeleine, but they are angry and hurt by what the files reveal. They are now considering suing the Portuguese police.

Rogerio Alves, the couple’s Portuguese lawyer, has been briefed to examine the files for evidence of incompetence, negligence and malicious intent and then to prepare to lay charges. “I believe he can recommend charges or action be taken against the police as a whole as well as individual officers if it’s felt necessary,” said a friend of the family.

Why did the Policia Judiciaria get it so wrong? Why were they obsessed with proving the McCanns’ guilt? From the beginning the dossier reveals how incompetence blighted the investigation. Carlos Pinto de Abreu, one of the McCann lawyers examining the police files, said: “The early stages of the investigation, led by detectives in Portimao, really were very poor.”

When those detectives arrived at 3.30pm on May 4, more than 17 hours after Madeleine’s disappearance, they discovered that dozens of local police, friends and family had traipsed through the room, heavily contaminating the scene.

One report in the voluminous files released last week records: “A number of people had touched the window and entered Madeleine’s and the twins’ room prior to the arrival of the GNR [local] police . . .” There was a “lack of preservation of the crime scene”.

The case file also reveals how four other families were allowed to stay in the holiday apartment from which Madeleine disappeared before further detailed forensic searches took place.

From the start the McCanns were keenly aware how publicising information about their daughter could help the investigation. So they have been dismayed to discover that the Portuguese police had detailed e-fits of potential suspects - but refused to make them public.

The case files reveal that the police had two near-identical PhotoFits of a man who was seen acting suspiciously near the McCanns’ apartment before Madeleine’s disappearance. Yet the only image of a suspect circulated publicly was a vague drawing with no facial details. It was ridiculed as an “egg with hair”.

Among the witness reports in the dossier are also three sightings of a girl matching Madeleine’s description in Belgium and one in Holland. The McCanns were never told about them. A further potential link with Belgium came in April when the Portuguese police were passed intelligence from Scotland Yard suggesting that Madeleine had been abducted by a Belgian paedophile ring.

John Shord, from the Metropolitan police clubs and vice intelligence unit, wrote: “Intelligence suggests that a paedophile ring in Belgium made an order for a young girl three days before Madeleine McCann was taken. Somebody connected to this group saw Maddie, took a photograph of her and sent it to Belgium. The purchaser agreed that the girl was suitable and Maddie was taken.”

Last week British police were playing down the strength of that report. But the McCanns’ view is that if they had been kept informed, they and their private investigators could have helped.

The Portuguese, however, had other ideas. What the case files make clear is just how suspicious the Policia Judiciaria became that the McCanns were responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance - and yet how weak the evidence for it was.

The pivotal shift in the investigation came at the end of July, after the Portuguese police called in British experts to help review the case. The experts suggested using specialist British sniffer dogs capable of detecting the scent of dead bodies.

According to the case files, the dogs detected scent at five locations in the McCanns’ apartment, including by the door of the back bedroom, behind the sofa in the living room, on the veranda outside the parents’ bedroom and in the garden under the veranda. The dogs later “marked” the boot of the McCanns’ car.

The case file contains documents showing that Mark Harrison, the British search expert, and Martin Grimes, the dog-handler, warned that the results should be treated with caution. They insisted that “corroborating evidence” was needed and that no “intelligence reliability could be placed on the results”.

The Portuguese police, however, treated it very differently. On August 1, the day after the searches, Inspector Joao Carlos, one of the senior investigators, wrote to his superiors stating: “One must suppose that the child Madeleine McCann could have died inside the apartment.”

On the same day Carlos applied for court orders to plant two bugs in the McCanns’ rented apartment and one in their holiday home. The requests were rejected, but by this stage the police’s intentions were clear. The McCanns noticed a distinct coldness in the police response to them, which culminated in them being made suspects just over a month later.

The Portuguese police’s approach was also clear in their treatment of forensic evidence. On September 3, John Lowe, a scientist from the Birmingham-based Forensic Science Service, informed detectives that a sample taken from the McCanns’ Renault Scenic hire car had 15 out of 19 of Madeleine’s DNA components.

However, he also urged caution, warning that the result was “too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion”. That qualification was ignored. The case files show that days later the Portuguese police attempted to extract a confession from Gerry by insisting Madeleine’s DNA had been found in the boot of the car.

One chief inspector of the Portuguese police recorded how he found Gerry “cold”, attributing it to his work as a doctor. He noted: “During many moments of his professional career he had to make decisions in a fraction of a second, which gives him a coldness.” Yesterday a friend of the McCanns said: “The whole attitude throughout was one of ‘we think they’re involved, there are some vague indications, let’s throw caution to the wind and see if we can get a conviction’.” For the McCanns, being cut off from the details of the police investigation has been even worse than being made suspects (they have now been exonerated). After Kate’s letter in December, the family’s lawyers made two further requests for information. Both were refused.

Disappointed but undeterred, the McCanns remain steadfast in their belief that Madeleine will be found. Two months ago the couple decided to relegate the role of M3, the gaffe-prone team of Spanish private investigators whose director boasted last year that Madeleine would be “home by Christmas”. They are now paying an international team of private investigators £166,000 a month (partly funded from a libel settlement with a newspaper) to follow fresh leads. The release of the case files has demonstrated just how much they have to do. “They’re starting from scratch,” said the friend. “They have to rebuild the entire police investigation.”

They hope that, better late than never, the information from police files will reinvigorate the search for their daughter. On Monday a girl resembling Madeleine was sighted at a bank in Brussels: a security guard became suspicious after spotting a woman of north African appearance struggling to speak French with a blue-eyed, blonde girl. Detectives are also investigating other leads in Belgium.

Yesterday Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, said: “The documents are a field of potential leads and any one of them could unlock the case. They will never give up the search for Madeleine.”

International reach of paedophile rings

Are paedophile gangs at work, especially in Belgium? The existence of paedophile rings in Europe is well documented, writes Nicola Smith.

Last year the UK’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) brought down a ring of 700, run by a Briton, which disseminated images of horrific child abuse. Many paedophile rings stretch across borders, partly through easy internet communication. Belgian police, however, deny that such gangs operate in their country.

For a nation of just 10m, Belgium has been rocked by shocking paedophile scandals. In the 1990s the notorious Marc Dutroux kidnapped and sexually abused six young girls, killing two of them. Dutroux told a Flemish television station: “A network with all kinds of criminal activities really does exist. But the authorities don’t want to look into it.”

Are there any links with Portugal, where Madeleine McCann disappeared? In 2002 Portugal was shaken by allegations of a paedophile ring targeting a state orphanage. Press reports at the time referred to Dutch and Belgian paedophile gangs operating on Portuguese soil. Belgium is well known as a transit point for people trafficking and Belgian nationals have been caught up recently in police stings on international child abuse gangs.

Late last year police in 28 countries busted a global paedophile ring. The operation began when Australian police intercepted a video of two young girls being abused by a Belgian man.

Is there any evidence of children being snatched to order? Child crime experts say the kidnapping of specific children to order is extremely rare. “In general, paedophiles ask for a particular type of abuse rather than a particular child,” said CEOP. “The majority of sexual abuse occurs in the home or by people the child knows.”

The Belgian police said: “We have never had a paedophile network like that to our knowledge, and we have not come across any cases of children being ordered by paedophiles.”


the Times!!!! WOW!!! This is getting ridiculous now.


You're welcome Zodiac. Sorry it was a bit garbled. It's a subject that is not really suited to a blog like this. There are thousands of textbooks on the subject, many running to many hundreds of pages. I too need help with much of what is written in them. Thank G*d for geneticists :-)

Goodnight. After reading that article I am spent..

docmac said...

Check the comments on Virgin before they disappear! The tide has turned.

Here we go!

Unknown said...

Wow Doc, thanks for that.

It really is very heartening to read that the general public think the McCanns are cold, unemotional liars and they are heartily sick of the ridiculous spin about sightings. So many of the posters on Virgin acknowledging the sniffer dogs are accurate and poor little Madeleine has been dead a long time and deserves to be found and given a decent burial. The McCann circus is making peole really dislike them with a passion, that is clear.

Getting Justice for Madeleine is partly about the public realising what they are about, what the British press is about and saying so!

Maybe it is time I re-opened this blog, what do others think?

I am missing Claudia and look forward to her coming back refreshed from her hols!

Viv xxxxxxx

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Hi Viv

I am house sitting again and using an unfamiliar computer so sill trying to come to grips with it.

You mentioned about opening your blog again, does this mean you have changed your mind about Leicestershire Police taking any furter action (apart from advertising the "FUND" on their website)?


I hope you managed to hang your doors without too many problems and have you started sanding the flooring yet?

Regards

ICTOAN

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