Especially for the benefit of those who still seek to suggest the Omagh case was helpful to the McCanns they should think again, given it was investigated during the currency of the PJ investigation and found to be perfectly fit for purpose in cases where the crime scene has been cleaned and very little forensic evidence is left to analyse. As this article also makes plain the weight the court will attach to the evidence depends upon all the facts of the case, but I think it would certainly be true to say that without more a prosecution would not be mounted. This is why the McCanns have not, as yet, been charged. Very often it is not one piece of evidence alone that entitles a jury to find the defendants guilty, it is the TOTALITY of ALL the evidence.
Viv x
Review of the use of Low Copy Number DNA analysis in current cases: CPS statement
14 January 2008
The judgment in the Omagh bombing case, R v Hoey, was handed down on the 20th December 2007.
The Judge expressed concerns about Low Copy Number (LCN) DNA analysis, conducted by the Forensic Science Service Ltd (FSS), which was adduced in evidence. In particular he expressed concerns about the extent to which the scientific validity of the technique had been demonstrated.
LCN is a form of generic Low Template DNA analysis, used when the available crime scene DNA sample is very small, (for example, such as might be obtained from a person's contact with a surface rather than a bloodstain). LCN is the service offered by the FSS, and other low template DNA profiling services are offered by other forensic science providers in the UK.
Following the judgment in the Omagh case on 21 December, as a precautionary measure, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) wrote to Chief Constables on 21 December 2007 recommending that the police should operate an interim suspension on the use of LCN DNA analysis in criminal investigations in England and Wales. This decision by ACPO was taken following discussion with the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). The purpose of the suspension was to provide an opportunity to review the situation in the light of ongoing trials in which LCN evidence was at issue, and to ensure that the implications of the Omagh judgment in relation to LCN profiling were addressed before the technique was used in any future proceedings.
The CPS carried out a precautionary internal review of current cases involving the FSS use of LCN DNA analysis. This took place between 21 December 2007 and 14 January 2008.
From this, the CPS has not seen anything to suggest that any current problems exist with LCN. Accordingly we conclude that LCN DNA analysis provided by the FSS should remain available as potentially admissible evidence. Of course, the strength and weight such evidence is given in any individual case remains a matter to be considered, presented, and tested in the light of all the other evidence.
Forensic science has a vital role to play in detecting criminals and bringing them to justice, and equally ensuring that innocent people are eliminated from suspicion. In recent years, the science in this area has developed at a very fast pace, particularly with the growth in forensic science providers who compete with one another to offer an increasingly wide range of new techniques in DNA profiling.
Such developments should ensure such techniques become an ever more compelling tool in the criminal justice system, as long as they are supported by transparent quality assurance processes, set against clear standards, and verified by independent peer review.
This process will be supported by the recent moves to appoint a Forensic Science Regulator; an Interim Regulator was appointed in June 2007, and the permanent Regulator, Andrew Rennison, will take up his post on 11 February 2008. The post of Regulator is also supported by the recent formation of the Forensic Science Advisory Council, whose membership includes representatives from the judiciary and a range of senior criminal justice partners.. In the course of the CPS review, the Regulator provided valuable assistance.
The CPS will continue to work closely with the Forensic Science Regulator in preparing guidance to its prosecutors about the issues that should be considered when Low Template DNA analysis from any provider is potential prosecution evidence.
Notes to Editors
The regulator has set out his position. This is available as an Annex to this Press Release.
Media enquiries to CPS Press Office on 020 7796 8106.
ANNEX A
"LCN DNA ANALYSIS: THE SCIENCE
The Forensic Science Regulator has commissioned an expert review of "low template DNA analysis", including the LCN service offered by the FSS Ltd. The review, led by Professor Brian Caddy of Strathclyde University, began on 8 November 2007[1] and is due to report at the end of February 2008. It is examining the processes used by the various providers; their scientific validity and the way the results are interpreted and presented. Professor Caddy has also been asked to advise upon the creation of a national minimum technical standard for the process.
At present, there is no reason to believe that there is any inherent unreliability in the LCN DNA analysis process provided that it is carried out according to the prescribed processes, and that the results are properly interpreted. In its work so far, the review has found nothing that would indicate any serious flaw in the scientific principles.
The process has been validated by FSS Ltd. in accordance with their internal validation procedures. There is currently no internationally or nationally recognised technical standard governing the validation of low template DNA analysis. Professor Caddy's work will enable the Regulator to prescribe standards against which all suppliers will be required to validate their services.
The Regulator will ensure that the standards exist and that suppliers comply with them in carrying out validation procedures on their forensic science products and services. The Regulator will not, himself, be responsible for conducting external validation of such services."
14 January 2008
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Claudia, ;-)
Doc, :-)
Doc
Good for you! Glad your son is ok.
Lol.. Have we gone into morse code????
Claudia gets all weird when the new page is coming up, Di. Caught it from the pink side, she never got the vaccine you see :-)
Eating time!
BBL. :-)
Doc/Claudia
LOL..
Off now, goodnight all.
mark55 said...
notdoc posts..
Just been reading up about dentistry, as my middle son literally 'ran' into a problem this evening. How easy is that subject ;-) It should be a two year course max (Waves, Bark :-)))))..
Mark replies ..
the actual theory part of dentistry is quite simple , quite a lot of medicine involved though .
What takes time is mastering the practical skills . You may be able to learn piano theory in six months but that does not mean you can play the piano .
After thirty years I am still refining my skills , learning new ones and improving old ones . Again, like playing a musical instrument . Thats what makes the job interesting and rewarding .
Why don't you stop trying to have a joke at my expense . I don't mind but you're just making yourself look an idiot .
03 October 2008 20:59
Yeah, right. You heard of Crossroads in Cape Town? You heard of Ivan Toms (RIP)? Fourth year med students at UCT mastered the 'art' of tooth extraction and fillings in less than one hour under his tutelage (he was not a dentist BTW). Having read what I did today I think it would take a medical doctor a maximum of one month to retrain as a dentist.
There'a a LOT of medicine involved? Crap!
Oh, left pinkie missed the 's'. Here we go :-)
Doc, in Portugal it is very, very difficult to become a doctor. Our grade scale is 0-20. To get into medical School a student has to have a grade avergage between 18 - 18.5. That is why many Portuguese students go to med school in Spain. Their grade average is not as demanding (around 15 - 16).
Grades for dentistry (which in Portuguese is called Medicina Dentária) are less demanding. The difference isn't huge, but there is a difference. That means there are a lot of frustrated dentists.
P.S: Here, the first two years of course are commom to med school and dentistry. From then on, the paths diverge. I personally know 2 people who wanted to be doctors but couldn't get there and then chose dentistry. It happens a lot. When people can't get into med school here, dentistry and nursing school are the common choices. Which doesn't mean that there aren't people who want to be dentists and nurses. There are. A lot of them.
Pharmacy School is also a very common alternative.
The requirements for potential lawyers are also less demanding, Claudia.
hAllo, *arter *uck!!!
Edited to remove the C and the F.
Doc, yes, they are. :-)
I have to say that when I went to university, the average to get into Law School was around the same average for me. Between 14.5 - 16, depending on the University. Then the average dropped substantially because there are too many lawyers and universities need to attract new students.
Claudia, your system of grading students is not familiar to me. Here in '78 you needed 6As in the private school exams to get in.
And those were real A's. Not like now where everyone gets one.
Doc, the average I'm talking about (the 1-20 scale) is related to high school average. Then, if you want to get into med school there are national exams which students will have to take, which will account for 50% of their average. You really have to be good to go to med school here. High school average plus national exams average divided by two will have to be around 18 for students to be able to get in.
Our grade scale is not like yours: A, B, C, D, etc. It's 0-20.
You'll have to explain the details in an e-mail, amiga :-)
Doc, there are no more details. :-)
I finished high school with a 17 average. If I wanted to go to med scholl (which I never did - that wasn't even my area), I would have to do really well on my national exams to compensate. I would have to have something like around 19 in two or three exams (different universities require different exams) so I could have an 18 - 18.5 average and get in. :-)
I wanted to know what '18' means. Is that 90% or is this score determined by some other means?
The 18 is the average required to get into med school. In some universities it is higher than that. That 18 average is reached by adding your high school average and the national exams required and them dividing it.
OK, I still don't get how the score is calculated and exactly how one arrives at a score of 18 or more. You're still going to have to mail me :-)
I need some pillow time. Got to get up real early to take some photos. Boa noite e muitos beijinhos!
Doc, every test you take in high scholl (three years - 10th, 11th and 12th grades) in every subject is evaluated with the 0-20 scale. Then, it's just a math thing. :-)
Dorme bem, amigo.
I won't be long either. Just answering some e-mails and then bed too.
Beijinhos!
Right, dogs walked, fed and watered.
Goodnight all.
PS: Hey, Mr Nessling. You had a reply from Ms Smith yet? :-)))))
Boa noite, Doc.
Boa noite, all.
Oh, you're still awake there in Sportugal. I was still sitting here wondering what happened to the Afrikaans translator on the oink blog. What was her name again? She had some intelligence about her. Like Archer, who has also buggered off. Seems only the feeble minded remain.
supertroll said...
Notdoc,
When I extended you an invitation to come here and post, I didn't mean you were allowed to post anonymously and insulting other posters.
ST
03 October 2008 23:43
Huh?
Doc, the pink shit hole privatised the thread where they were stabbing each other on the back and bashing Sass and the other one who couldn't write English (forgot the name). It's like it isn't happening. Yeah, right. ;-)
Boa noite, all.
Back in the days when ST used to be baghead and before he had picked up any legal lingo from this site, it was very amusing to read how he was defamating people, sounds like defecating, similar thing in his case! Oh and should he go to court!!! I think you need a case first..
Supertroll said...
Anon,
Could you please also post that link on the justiceformaddie blog.
Who am I or anon defamating?
Is it an unknown person who posts anonimously (and cowardly) using a nickname and who has spent the past months posting over a thousand vicious posts over a grieving couple?
Who are they defamating?
A real couple with names who have lost a child and anyone else who dares to defend them?
When I posted there a few weeks ago, I was accused by the not so good doctor of being Gerry McCann and I told that they were going to do very nasty thing to me in jail because I am a child neglector.
Should I go to court over this defamation? Now come on ST, you do not really expect people to take you seriously, do you?? Sometimes I even wonder if you are on our side:-)))) Do you feel more powerful now you are Swarzo rather than Baghead? Keep up the meds!
22 February 2008 15:47
Mark, you are a fantacist and a fool. If you had anything at all to do with training in medicine around the time of the Birmingham pub bombings you would most definitely have been able to name Dr Richard Whittington, The Coroner!! and Dr Simon Sevitt, Pathologist at BAH. You have previously stated you are 55, so you did your er "pre-med year" aged 15!!
Go and play!!
mark55 said...
viv
Of course docmac is wrong . He's wrong about most things , except spelling and punctuation which seem to be his main raison d'etre .
I never saw your question re the pathologists .
We were taught by Dr B T Davis who was a home office pathologist at the time .He was involved with defending a dentist who was found guilty of manslaughter but cleared on appeal, I wont give his name online .
I did the premed year in 1968 . This was a mixed group of medics and dentists . One of my good friends in that year was Pete Ackland who is now a home office pathologist in Birmingham . Haven't seen him in ages , perhaps I should look him up ?
A bit of history..Leicester Police were the first force to use DNA profiling in a murder investigation in 1986. How they have moved on since then!
x
Well I think Liberty are wrong, not convicted does not mean innocent. Liberty should be more concerned with the victims of crime, if people genuinely are innocent why is it a problem that FSS holds their samples? It could only be a problem of they commit a further crime and fear detection in which case it is not a problem, it is the science doing its job and netting criminals!
I do not want to hear a single word about the Human Rights of Kate and Gerry McCann other than they should be given a fair and lawful trial!
From Times OnlineJune 21, 2006
DNA profiling and the case that started it all
A man being questioned over the 14-year-old murder of Rachel Nickell is believed to have been identified by a breakthrough in DNA techniques. Adam Fresco looks at the advances in DNA profiling
The first major DNA breakthrough came during a double murder investigation in a small Leicestershire town.
The brand new profiling system netted not only its first British killer but also, for the first time anywhere in the world, exonerated the prime suspect.
Since then advances in DNA profiling have meant that genetic clues can now be obtained from evidence so small it cannot be seen by the naked eye. The progress has proved invaluable to police teams and has produced a near 100 per cent conviction rate.
In 1986 police in Narborough were convinced they were hunting a double killer.
The body of Dawn Ashworth, 15, had been found strangled and sexually assaulted three years after another 15-year-old schoolgirl had been found raped and murdered nearby.
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Police question killer over Nickell murder
The prime suspect was a local boy, who, after questioning, revealed previously unreleased details about Dawn’s body. Further questioning led to his confession but he denied any involvement in the first murder of Lynda Mann.
Semen samples recovered from Dawn’s body revealed her attacker had the same blood type as Lynda’s murderer - type A blood group and an enzyme profile, which matched 10 per cent of the adult male population.
Convinced that he had committed both crimes, officers from Leicestershire decided to try something new. They contacted Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys at Leicester University who had developed a technique for creating DNA profiles.
Dr Jeffreys - along with Dr Peter Gill and Dr Dave Werrett of the Forensic Science Service (FSS) - had jointly published the first paper on applying DNA profiling to forensic science.
Significantly, in 1985, they were the first to demonstrate that DNA could be obtained from crime stains, which proved vital in this case.
Dr Jeffreys compared semen samples from both murders against a blood sample from the suspect, which conclusively proved that both girls were killed by the same man, but not the suspect.
The police then contacted the FSS to verify Dr Jeffrey’s results and decide which direction to take the investigation.
Peter Gill said: "Since the technique had not been used in criminal casework before, the FSS were asked by the police to confirm Dr Jeffrey’s conclusions. Accordingly, we carried out further tests and indeed demonstrated that the prime suspect could be excluded."
This was the first time in the world that a suspect had been cleared of murder because of DNA evidence.
Professor Alec Jeffreys said: "I have no doubt whatsoever that he would have been found guilty had it not been for DNA evidence. That was a remarkable occurrence."
The police then decided to undertake the world’s first DNA intelligence-led screen. All adult males in three villages – a total of 5,000 men - were asked to volunteer and provide blood or saliva samples.
Blood grouping was performed and DNA profiling carried out by the FSS on the 10 per cent of men who had the same blood type as the killer.
The murderer almost escaped again by getting a friend to give blood in his name. However, this friend was later overheard talking about the switch and that he’d given his sample masquerading as Pitchfork.
Pitchfork was arrested and his DNA profile matched with the semen from both murders. In 1988 he was sentenced to life for the two murders.
Police now have the power to take a mouth swab from anyone arrested of a recordable offence - a crime that would lead to a jail term if they were convicted - and it is put on the national DNA database.
Whenever a crime is committed or police carry out a review of an old case there are now tens of thousands of new profiles being added every year that can be examined for a match.
The ability of scientists to extract DNA from the smallest sample, be it skin, saliva, blood, semen, hair or even sweat, has developed rapidly since its implementation in the early 1980s. It is now more discriminating and more sensitive.
Since 1999 the FSS, a government-owned company, has been able to offer a much improved specialist service to police forces.
They are able to get a profile from very few cells and instead of looking at seven areas of DNA, that allowed them to made a discrimination of one in 50 million, they can look at 11 areas and make a discrimination of one in 1 billion.
The DNA database, which was introduced in 1995, is in Birmingham and holds the frozen DNA profiles of 3.4 million known individuals and 276,000 samples from potential criminals, whose DNA have been picked up at crimes scenes ranging from burglary to murder.
DNA (Deoxyribo-Nucleic Acid) is the chemical which is found in virtually every cell in our bodies and which carries genetic information from one generation to the next and determines our physical characteristics like hair and eye colour.
Except for identical twins, each person's DNA is unique. Half of the DNA is inherited from our father and the other half from our mother. Siblings inherit different combinations of DNA from the same parents and are therefore different from each other but can have quite similar profiles.
The technology of DNA profiling doesn't yet allow the examination of every single difference between people's DNA. However, techniques used by the Forensic Science Service look at specific areas of nuclear DNA which are known to vary widely between people.
DNA can be extracted from any cells that contain a structure called the nucleus. This includes blood, semen, saliva or hair samples.
Liberty, the human rights pressure group, want to establish that automatically retaining DNA samples from people who are not convicted of any offence is a breach of the right to a private life under Article 8 of the European Human Rights Convention.
DOC
Your earlier comment about sometimes you wonder if ST is on our side (although I think in Jest) is something I have thought about for a long time.
She is more inteligent than anyone else on the Pro's side and has brought them all out to spout their hate filled bile against anyone who dares to think Kate and Gerry are lousey parents for all to read.
The old woman who probebly bores everyone to death with just how clever she is with a PC posts the most lude discusting stuff on a regular basis (and that is only the things that are coppied here) has shown herslef to be revolting on so many occasions and unless all of her friends are as bitter and twisted as her she can only have the one photoshoped friend in the states...
It is also rather funny reading Britvic despratley trying to convince the world he is a middle age man and a dentist. He get's very vocal about the fact he is yet they spend all their time telling you, you are not a Doctor but this is fine?
I dont see the point of the blog (but everyone is entitled to open one if they wish) I do however think that anyone who has ever read a newspaper and belives what they read would only have to spend 5 minutes on it to think who are these vile people are these the kind of people who want to defend the McCanns?
And if they delved futher into the world of McCann blogs may find some of our posts against the Neglectful parents unfair if they kept reading here 3As McCann Files Joanna Morris would see some horrific reasons why we dont belive a word they say.
Keep going ST you are doing a grand job (and I still think you are a nice person at heart) I am not often wrong about people there were only two others who I thought were ok one has gone and the other after a few posts I have read I am now not sure but she may be scared and have to up the vileness of her posts to keep in with the girly gang???
At the end of the day the only thing that really matters is Madeleine (and god forbid she was killed in the way she may have been then the Twins are in very real danger as well) if it was an accident then the poor little sould deserves a final resting place. I no longer believe she was abducted (never really bought it but will keep an open mind) but if she was Kate has shown how little she mattered by refusing to answer the questions put to her or not going back to PDL she had nothing to fear if she was inocent and everythig to fear if she was not...
God Bless Madeleine and all children who are not treated as the gifts from god that they are...
Hiya Hope
great post as ever and agree with everything you say apart from ST is a nice person. Stalking is not a nice thing to do! He was the reason I had to make this blog members only to prevent his repeated abusive remarks!
xxxxxx
Hiya Viv
Yes you obviously know more than I do about who and what was responsible for that. The night of the lurid pornography shows someone with a very disturbed mind it was childish pointless and discusting.
I still cant help wonder if they really belive all they print or if maybe they are that desprate for money that they will do anything to earn it.
Anyhow long may the site continue I guess some people are lonely bitter and twisted and have great empathy with the McCanns as they treated their own childrn in such a discuting way.
Let's face it when they try and insult by saying we are perfect parents you have to laugh.
I am far from perfect in so many ways but leaving my children alone and dumping them on anyone who would have them when they were small (or now for that matter)just so I could have my own time is not something I understand?
Just got back from a 3 hour shopping trip with my recently turned 15 year old daughter and I seemed to carry everything???
See you later xxx
OH and BTW I also think ST is Male I know she says she is a she but something tells me she is a he (but each to their own I am not phobic about any group of people) we are all equal in the eyes of god..
He judges us on our actions not our sexuality or how much we can pay to keep things quiet..
xxx
Truly fantastic Mark and ROFLMAO, was the er S level you refer to for the educationally subnormal? Med School! Dentist! in the 1960/70s my a***. Now stop being such a twit and go and play with your computer games, Mark aged 18 and a half who does not even know how to spell medicine!
mark55 said...
viv
Viv , you asked me to name an eminent patholgist .
Richard Whittingham , is a coroner , not a pathologist . He's in the local papers every week and you dont have to be involved in medecine to have heard of him . I named B T Davies , home office pathologist at the time who dealt with all the crime and taughtt the med school . You name a consultant from tha accident hospital . Why do you think I should have heard of him ?
Med school at 15? You , notdoc and clawdia will just love my answer to this ...
We are talking 40 years ago so allow me to be one year out .
Was it Med school at 16 or 17 ?
At my senior school , having already seected the brightest students for entry , half a dozen super bright students were selected for fast tracking . This meant we were able to start our A level studies a year early , take our A level a year early and then spend a year preparing for the Oxbridge exams. So I took my A levels in Physics , Chemistry , Maths and Further Maths a year early . As you are my age you may remeber the extra bright students took speacial papers called S levels which I did in Maths and Chemistry . Education really has been dumbed down these days .
But I decided I wanted to be a dentist and as you can imagine Birmingham were happy to take me a year early .
In those days I had to do the premed year as I had not taken Biology at A level .
My conditional offer .... 2 grade Es at A level.
I think I must have impressed at the interview .
So Viv....Fantacist or fantastic .
You're the judge (or solicitor )and who's the fool .
Let's see how good your judgement is ? It's been pretty poor as regards the Maddie case. let's see if you can get this one right .
04 October 2008 09:55
Hiya Hope
Well, as you can see from the post above from "Mark" I think these poster's true aims must be to just completely ridicule Kate and Gerry McCann. But I do agree the disgusting posts that were made here about rape, child abuse, abuse of women, murder etc were the work of one very, very sick mind and not something I could forget in a hurry because in all my years of working with some pretty sick people I have never read anything quite as bad, or as repeated as that!
xxxxx
Viv
Yes that rant was discusting I dont know where they coppied it from (and am not about to try and find out)it was the work of a very sick individual who has no respect for children or woman at all..
Not good at all...
Hope you are well I am just going to clean up my bunnies inside home and check they are warm enough in the outside one they have to shelter in during the day if it is cold or wet. Will get them in soon as it is not a nice day...
Doc if you are about I took them to the vet last week for their first set of Jabs for Mixi and will be taking them back in 2 weeks for the other Jab they need (they would not come near me for the rest of the night) LOL xxx
'medecine'! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
There is always hope
Claudia
I believe it is called Kahma x
Hope, Karma indeed.
We just have to be patient. Good things come to those who wait.
Claudia
It is just a shame that all the good things that should have come to Madeleine did not...
Is it hot in Portugal it is getting cold here now :o( xxx
Good things come to those who wait.
Funny you should say that Claudia, see my new post - this must have been a tremendous relief for this man's grieving relatives, particularly given they knew who the killer was!
Mark, I know he is so funny, all those years at med school writing all those thousands of pages of notes, and yet he did not even learn how to spell medicine, how bizarre:-)))))))
Hope, I am not sure what area of the country you are in but it is absolutely freezing here too! I am going to jump in a hot shower to warm up and just put the heating on, maybe should have done it sooner. Roll on fabby hot Egypt:-))
My builders are coming this afternoon for a conference and the heating engineer is coming next week to fit new boiler etc, this one works, I just want a more efficient one and god knows we need it, not just freezing but the price of gas, now!
Oh Claudia Hun, I just read your link which I am going to post below it is so fab, I always loathed this man, as I do any person who commits murder and then seeks to buy their way out of justice. Dancing around the room:-))))) luv ya hun and well spotted!
O.J. Simpson guilty of armed robbery, kidnappingStory Highlights
Jury finds O.J. Simpson guilty of all counts in 2007 sports memorabilia heist
Simpson did not testify; evidence came from tapes, former co-defendants
Simpson, co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart could spend rest of lives in prison
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LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- Former gridiron great O.J. Simpson was found guilty Friday of all 12 counts in the armed robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers at a Las Vegas, Nevada, casino hotel last year.
The jury reached the verdict 13 years to the day after O.J. Simpson was acquitted of two murders.
1 of 2 more photos » Simpson, 61, and his co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart, 54, were charged with a dozen offenses stemming from the sports memorabilia heist. Stewart was found guilty of the same charges as Simpson.
Simpson sat quietly and showed little emotion at the defense table as courtroom clerk Sandra Jeter read the verdicts.
After the verdicts were read, deputies immediately handcuffed Simpson and led him out of the courtroom. Watch O.J. Simpson verdict being read »
According to the Associated Press, Carmelita Durio, Simpson's sister, sobbed as he was being escorted out of the courtroom. As spectators left the courtroom, Durio collapsed and paramedics were called, court spokesman Michael Sommermeyer said.
Simpson and Stewart could spend the rest of their lives in prison for these convictions. Clark County District Judge Jackie Glass set sentencing for December 5. Watch O.J. Simpson being removed from court »
Simpson arrived at the Clark County Justice Center at around 10:50 p.m. (1:50 a.m. Saturday ET). Simpson told CNN's Ted Rowlands on the phone before the verdict was read that he was "apprehensive."
The jury of nine men and three women, none of them African-American, reached its verdict after 13 hours of deliberations Friday. Jurors heard from 22 witnesses over 12 days of testimony. Chief among the witnesses were seven of the nine people inside Room 1203 of the Palace Station Hotel and Casino for the September 13, 2007, confrontation.
The evidence included testimony from the two dealers, four co-defendants who cut plea deals and cooperated with prosecutors, and hours of often-profane, crackling, secretly recorded audiotapes.
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Prosecutors alleged that the men, led by Simpson, burst into the room, flashed a gun and threatened memorabilia dealers Bruce Fromong and Al Beardsley.
The men then filled two pillowcases with Simpson trinkets, signed Pete Rose baseballs and Joe Montana lithographs. Simpson's defense attorneys maintained their client was merely trying to retrieve personal photographs and other mementos that belonged to him.
Neither Simpson nor Stewart testified during the trial. Instead, their attorneys savaged the motives of the other witnesses.
Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, said Simpson was a target of investigators from the very beginning. The case "has taken on a life of its own because of Mr. Simpson's involvement," he added.
"Every cooperator, every person who had a gun, every person who had an ulterior motive, every person who signed a book deal, every person who got paid money, the police, the district attorney's office is only interested in one thing: Mr. Simpson," Galanter said.
Stewart was characterized by his lawyer, E. Brent Bryson, as the trial's forgotten player.
The most compelling evidence for all sides came from the audiotapes.
For the prosecution, conversations taped by collectibles middleman Thomas Riccio took jurors from the poolside planning to the profanity-laced hotel room confrontation.
Riccio, a chatty sports memorabilia dealer and convicted felon, made the rounds on network news shows immediately after the hotel room fracas. He admitted on the stand that various media outlets paid him $210,000.
The crucial evidence for the defense came from two audiotapes, a voicemail from a key prosecution witness who seemed willing to tailor his testimony for a price and tapes of Las Vegas police officers laughing and joking about Simpson's Los Angeles acquittal following his arrest.
Galanter told jurors the surreptitious recording captured police investigators in the hotel room after the confrontation. "They're making jokes. They're saying things like, 'We're gonna get him,"' he said.
Police were called to the hotel around 8 p.m. on September 13, 2007. Shortly after midnight, detectives visited Simpson at his hotel. He told them he was just trying to recover property that had been stolen from him.
"Why are they not in trouble?" Simpson asked about memorabilia dealers Beardsley and Fromong, according to police reports filed in the case. Both men testified for the prosecution, although Beardsley said Simpson did nothing wrong and was "set up" by the "rat Riccio."
Riccio, who was not charged in the case, testified that he didn't think twice about recording Simpson when asked for help retrieving what Simpson claimed was his property.
All four of the former co-defendants testified for the prosecution. Two of them tied Simpson to guns and threats.
Michael McClinton testified that Simpson instructed him to bring a gun and "look menacing" before they entered the hotel room.
Simpson has told police he had no idea the people with him were armed.
The testimony was laced with innuendo about unsavory activities by several of the witnesses, many with criminal records. Riccio and Beardsley feuded openly, calling each other names and questioning each other's sanity.
Aware that loose cannons on the stand could blow the case into mistrial purgatory, Glass refused to let David Cook testify. Cook, an attorney for the family of Ronald Lyle Goldman, searches for Simpson assets to satisfy the $33.5 million civil judgment against the former NFL star.
Simpson was acquitted of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Goldman in a trial that ended 13 years to the day before the Las Vegas jury began its deliberations.
Regarding Glass' ruling, Cook told CNN: "If you read between the lines, I think she thought my appearance would bring up the Ghost of Christmas Past."
The case featured 19 male witnesses and just three cameo appearances from women. Swagger and testosterone ran rampant with hard stares from the witness stand.
As testimony neared its end, Glass, a former television news reporter, vented her frustration with the quibbling lawyers.
"I'm trying to get this trial back on track," she snapped. "I am surprised you haven't seen my head spin and fire come out of my mouth at this
Hope, here it's clearly not summer anymore. But it is not cold. :-) It's around 18ºC - 19ºC where I am right now.
Viv, good things come to those who wait and bad things come who those who are criminals. O.J. has just LEARNT that. :-)
P.S: Viv, that 'medecine' thing was a blast! :-)
Hi all,
OMG! OMG! AND FFS! My just turned nine year old daughter can write better than the crapola copied and pasted below. BTW still waiting on a reply from the faker of tooth pulling since the DE days about probability. M55 just because you can tie a piece of string around a tooth and then tie the other end to a door and pull it quickly to pull out a rotten tooth does not mean you are Dentist. Your post below is totally pathetic.
'At my senior school , having already At my senior school , having already seected the brightest students for entry , half a dozen super bright students were selected for fast tracking . This meant we were able to start our A level studies a year early , take our A level a year early and then spend a year preparing for the Oxbridge exams. So I took my A levels in Physics , Chemistry , Maths and Further Maths a year early . As you are my age you may remeber the extra bright students took speacial papers called S levels which I did in Maths and Chemistry . Education really has been dumbed down these days .
But I decided I wanted to be a dentist and as you can imagine Birmingham were happy to take me a year early .
In those days I had to do the premed year as I had not taken Biology at A level .
My conditional offer .... 2 grade Es at A level.
I think I must have impressed at the interview .
. This meant we were able to start our A level studies a year early , take our A level a year early and then spend a year preparing for the Oxbridge exams. So I took my A levels in Physics , Chemistry , Maths and Further Maths a year early . As you are my age you may remeber the extra bright students took speacial papers called S levels which I did in Maths and Chemistry . Education really has been dumbed down these days .
But I decided I wanted to be a dentist and as you can imagine Birmingham were happy to take me a year early .
In those days I had to do the premed year as I had not taken Biology at A level .
My conditional offer .... 2 grade Es at A level.
I think I must have impressed at the interview .'
Zodiac, ROTFLMAO!
Here where I live, someone writing like that wouldn't make it past the 9th grade.
Claudia,
I have just read that crapola post again and cannot believe how some embarrass themselves on a continual basis.
Zodiac, they do it because they are not intelligent enough to see it's happening. No sense of ridicule whatsoever. Which is sad.
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WHAT WOULD 'YOUR' VOICE SAY ABOUT YOU BARK55!
Claudia,
I agree very sad.
Thanks for that Zodiac, and how about getting an offer to med school with a couple of E grades, I have not heard of anyone getting ANY uni placement with grades that say you are completely hopeless, let alone med school. I have certainly heard of people having to do an Access Course to get into Uni though because their A levels are either non-existent or not good enough, but I am not aware of this being an option for med school, I really don't think so!
Bark you are a complete nutcase!!
No wonder Gerry got rid of your webpage! You did not even get the date right did you, that made them look really suss what with it having 2006 all over the place, gave it that premeditated flavour. Oh sorry I used a big word, you will have to googling again, but can you understand that when you do???
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