8 May 2008

WHAT A DIFFERENCE BEING AN ARGUIDO MAKES - THE CAMERA NEVER LIES..DOES IT?

Penelope sent me this shot of Madeleine and I agree it certainly looks like a more recent one, before their holiday. The fringe has had to be pushed to one side as in the tennis balls pic below to stop it from going into her eyes. Whereas in the one that Gerry produced three weeks after she disappeared after a home visit, she looks far better groomed with her hair cut into a neat bob and much shorter. My eldest son is not interested in this case but was here this afternoon 10/5 and I asked him to comment on the two pics below without prompting him. He said it looks like the same child but the one on the left looks much younger, I think this is what we all see. Gerry went home to get a suitable image to photoshop into the holiday pic that was taken of him and Amelie. He did not want to use the tennis balls pic, because she does not look quite so cute, it could not have been photoshopped to fit into the pic he had in mind (look what a nice happy family we are) and Madeleine not only looks less well cared for, she has nasty bruising on her wrist. WE were told the delay in producing this pic was because Kate had got the time wrong on the camera, well what difference would that make when you need to rush out an up to date picture of your child, and why did she need to change the time when Portugal has UK time anyway..WE waited three weeks for this, come, come Gerry we waited till you made a trip home. I have read on 3 Arguidos intricate details about reflections in his sunglasses, I think it is a lot simpler than that, does Madeleine actually look the same as genuine photos when aged almost four, getting on the plane, holding the tennis balls, in her football top, is her hair not much blonder and shorter..in the so called last pic of her this is Madeleine aged 3, not almost four.


In what looks like the only recent picture they had of Madeleine prior to going on holiday she looks so sad, like something is really worrying her, note how long her hair is, just like the tennis balls pic. What on earth happened in this little girl's life to transform her from the happy little child she clearly was, when she was younger, the pictures the McCanns want to show us...


Above is another genuine picture of Madeleine in PDL sent to me by Penelope, again demonstrating her hair is darker and longer than the supposed last pic of her below. I believe that when Gerry went home for two days, three weeks after Madeleine's disappearance he photoshopped Madeleine into the poolside pic and then two days after his return to PDL released it proclaiming it was the last pic of Madeleine...she looks so angelic and cute (very marketable) and I believe was aged 3, not almost 4 ...perhaps a shot from a holiday abroad the previous year. WE have been bombarded with pictures of Madeleine when she was a lot younger. See also the genuine shots below of the tennis balls pic and Maddie getting onto the plane, again showing darker, longer hair...an older child aged almost 4. Gerry had dug himself and impossibly deep hole to try and climb out of and should give up!























Mr Alex Woolfall says in a report in The Times he helped the McCanns upload pics off their camera which included the famous tennis balls pic which is undoubtedly a genuine pic of Maddie on that holiday and I would say the last one of her. Above there are also pics of Maddie getting on the plane and again it can be seen her hair is really dark. Three weeks later and following a 2 days trip home Gerry McCann produced the poolside pic and claimed this was the last pic of Madeleine. Not only does she look a lot younger her hair is blond - I believe this picture is most definitely a fake. Quite likely a genuine pic of Gerry and Amelie but he has included an image of Madeleine from the previous year when he went home. On the tennis balls pic Maddie has a nasty bruise on her arm - is this why he does not wish to admit this was the last pic of her - would we have ever seen this pic if it had not been for Mr Woolfall?





What a difference being ARGUIDOS makes...desperate..hopeless..the end of the road.. reality starts to dawn? Why did they think they could get away with it? Did they really believe the Portuguese Police are the "Keystone Cops"..well more fool them..My compliments to the new boss of the PJ and commiserations with Clarence Mitchell for a truly hopeless and utterly sickening and despicable "campaign". In the bottom pic you can almost read Gerry's mind .."see I told you I could fix it, didn't I...now you believe how rich and happy we are going to be, don't you?" He clearly believed it when he stood like a child in a sweet shop, outside the Whitehouse too but then we saw the look of pure rage..look right! Judging by the look on her face above, she does not look any too convinced..not now anyway. The camera never lies unless of course Gerry did a home trip..to produce the last pic of Madeleine, three weeks later..all part of his cunning "masterplan". What a foolish narcissist he is with his grandiose schemes, only the narcissist himself truly believes that he can carry them through.


















Hi All, the article below confirms the PJ's continuing wish to stage a reconstruction with the presence of Kate, Gerry and the other "protagonists" but a European Arrest Warrant could not be issued to compel them to attend. This could only be issued for their actual arrest upon a decision to charge. John McCann says they want to know what the point of it would be, well the point is they have always said they will co-operate with the police and they want their daughter back! If they are not happy with the investigation then surely "reconstituting the facts" could allow their own claims to be re-considered, if their is any valid claim there of course, we have to assume there is not, given their continuing blatant refusal to co-operate. Their Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, seems to be at odds with the couple by continuing to state they will attend and co-operate. Clearly he realises the inferences that will be drawn against them, should they fail to do so.

Prior to resigning Mr Ribeiro stated the PJ continue to investigate and nothing is certain as to whether the couple will be indicted (charged) or not. Now Dr Rebelo has the support of another police officer I feel confident his hands will no longer be tied.

At a mass held at the local Church in PDL the McCanns, via Gerry's sister Pat, asked God for their daughter back. She is in his care and clearly cannot be physically re-claimed from wherever they dumped her. The report flags up the McCanns only offer a message of support to the locals a full eight months after they fled without any personal word of thanks to any of them. I notice that Philomena was not one of the family representatives..John McCann took the opportunity to publicise the new telephone number asking for all police witnesses to contact them. Somehow this seems to reflect what the family's visit to PDL was all about, getting to the locals to try and discredit the police case, put on a media show and see what further manipulative steps they can take to exculpate themselves. I hope that locals in PDL are no longer as trusting towards this couple and remember secrecy of justice. I found John McCann's excuses for Kate and Gerry not being there quite appalling, all the media interviews have left them exhausted and wanting to spend time with their children. Well why did they do all those media interviews and is Madeleine no longer one of their children? At least he tacitly accepts the McCanns also still neglect their other two children. There is no reason why they could not have also travelled to PDL.

Kate and Gerry stayed at home with friends on the anniversary...at a local ceremony Kate implored people to "pray like crazy for Madeleine". I do wonder at this woman's sanity. At no stage are we ever told that Kate is spending time with her parents. I believe there is disharmony here and wonder what responsibility her parents have for the daughter they raised. There is overwhelming evidence that children grow up to be the product of their upbringing.

John McCann admits that the fund total amounts to almost one million pounds..what are the McCanns going to do with all this money? I think it would be best they save a lot of it to repay the Daily Express..because at the end of the day, just like Lord Archer, they may well be asking for it back, plus interest!

Given we have this new contact telephone number can we take it Metodo 3 have now been quietly dropped but we did not get to hear this from the McCann media circus?

When asked about Madeleine's fifth birthday Pat Cameron burst into tears..it seems she feels the terrible pain and anguish of knowing another milestone in little Madeleine's life will never be reached, unlike her parents. No doubt there are other reasons for her tears also.

Gerry continues to rant on his blog that he knows nothing of the progress of the investigation. I remember a comment he made in PDL that he wanted to stay and influence and control the investigation..now he wants to stay as far away as possible from that investigation. Things have changed in his own mind. His natural instinct is to control and he feels invincible. Now he is a very worried man and an angry one, being in control is very important to Gerry McCann and his sense of well-being. Don't spend that money all at once, Gerry.


Viv x





May 04 2008 - 12.30 Procedure: Law does not require spouses to return PJ still considering rebuilding night of May 3 The reconstitution of the evening on May 3, 2007 at the Ocean Club with the participation of the couple McCann and friends who spent holidays with them in Praia da Luz, is to be done. The Judiciary Police has launched the idea in April in Leicestershire during the interrogations to friends and a Portuguese Advocates of the couple said that Kate and Gerry are available to return to Portugal. Ultimately, the completion of the investigation depends on the will of the protagonists. The director of the National Judicial Police said yesterday that it is' very important 'the presence of the couple in a possible reconstitution of the disappearance of Madeleine. 'If steps were taken to justify the presence of parents in Portugal would be very important that they accept such participation within the law Portuguese' said Alípio Ribeiro. The lawyer and former bastonário Rogerio Alves, who represents the McCann in Portugal, ensures that the couple is willing to work, but adds that the restoration involves more people, which will also own free will. John McCann, brother of Gerry, said yesterday not see utility in a reconstitution of the facts a year later. But said at a press conference in Praia da Luz that 'if someone convince Kate and Gerry that will be useful they will come [to Portugal]'. The fact is that the recovery depends on the will of McCann. judicial sources contacted by CM advanced that 'for conducting a due diligence you can not go arrest warrants valid abroad. " And an arrest warrant would, in the opinion of the same sources, the only way to reclaim the presence of McCann in Portugal for the possible reconstitution. Hardly PJconseguirá to carry out the restoration, but the investigation is not closed. 'The Judicial Police continues to collect and analyze all the evidence that may exist', said yesterday Alípio Ribeiro. The national director of PJ added that 'nothing is certain at this time regarding a possible indictment or dismissal "of the process.

LIDA Mass MESSAGE DURING THE BEACH OF LIGHT Patricia Cameron, sister of Gerry, read a message from the parents of Madeleine during the bilingual Mass held at the end of the afternoon yesterday in Praia da Luz After the ceremony, Patricia, Sandy, John McCann and Michael Wright launched green and yellow balloons in the lobby of the Church of Our Lady of Luz 'In the days after the abduction you all were in a rock where agarrámos. Your strength was our support. " Começava so the message signed by Kate, Gerry, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie, read by Patricia during the Mass on the first anniversary of the disappearance of Maddie. 'We want to publicly acknowledge gratitude ", wrote the McCann. 'We still full of confidence and ask God that our beloved daughter back. The journey to this day will be easier to feel you on our side. " The message of thanks comes eight months after a hasty departure for England which was commented by many in Praia da Luz displeasure with the lack of a word of recognition of the support given to the couple by the local community. At the Mass, priests led by Jose Pacheco and Haynes Hubbard, prayed to by Maddie but also by Rui Pedro and all missing children. Then there was a passage of slides with images of Madeleine and banda sound. John McCann protagonizou a symbol of hope to circulate a círio paschal candles lighting up the present. In the end the McCann family have launched balloons outside the church, under a rescue of palms.

'WE ARE HERE FOR PEOPLE TO AGRADECER' John McCann, brother of Gerry and administrator of the fund Find Madeleine, Patricia Cameron, sister of Gerry, her husband Sandy and Michael Wright, cousin of Kate, were yesterday in Praia da Luz, where he gave a press conference to "thank the people in Portugal who supported the family in difficult times. " John McCann took yet to disclose a telephone number to collect information (08458384699). 'Please help us. We are ordinary people, but we need to support unusual. " The brother of Gerry reaffirmed that the family still retains the hope that Madeleine is alive and that could be recovered.

KATE AND GERRY PASSAM DAY IN ROTHLEY Kate and Gerry McCann passed on the first anniversary of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine 'with [the children twins] Sean and Amelie and a group of friends arrived at home' in Rothley, said John McCann, brother of Gerry. The couple arrived to attend a short religious ceremony in the Anglican church near his residence. During the ceremony, Kate read a message of support to the community and asked the congregation to continue to pray, 'pray like crazy' by Maddie.

'In ideal circumstances,' said John McCann, the couple had travelled to Praia da Luz, but the hectic week in commitments to the media has left them tired and with desire to be with their children. 'It was not an easy decision', stressed John McCann, but the choice of refuge family overlapped to the return to a place that "has involved much pain."


CAN BE AS DESCUBRA' The Attorney-General of the Republic said yesterday that a possible failure in the case Madd ie must not ashamed to Portuguese police. "Our police made what would be no police. You may discover that even if we will wait until the end. But if it results in failure, is nothing that envergonhe the Portuguese police, 'said Pinto Monteiro. The magistrate stressed that England has one thousand such cases and that the success rate is 20 percent.

DETAILS A MILLION The fund established by McCann has a balance of 850 thousand pounds, equivalent to around one million euros. The number was yesterday raised by administrator John McCann.

BRACELETS AND PINS Patricia Cameron distributed yesterday in Praia da Luz yellow bracelets and pins depicting the search for Madeleine. The same objects were distributed within the church of the village. The purpose of family is recover the momentum of hope. In recent days there was an increase of traffic on the site of the family background and the phone number for information.

ASSOCIATION One element of the National Association of Missing Children participated in the Mass yesterday in Praia da Luz and read the claim by 'Madeleine, Rui Pedro and all missing persons'.

ANNIVERSARY The date of the fifth anniversary of the Madeleine is here eight days. When questioned yesterday about the family plans to mark the moment, the aunt Patricia Cameron discarded up in tears, not advance any plans, saying only that one day will be very difficult. VIDENTE Connie Sonne, visionary Danish, was yesterday in Praia da Luz She says that Maddie is alive and in Portugal, detailing who in December was in Esmoriz. It argues that parents are involved in the disappearance and that 'everything is a question of money. " NOTES DAY OF EMOTION AND LÁGRIMAS The Praia da Luz was yesterday the scene of emotions. In addition to tears, many messages. More visible with a doll representing the Madeleine church COMPLAINT TO KNOW NOTHING OF In the blog Gerry regrets the fact that both he as Kate does not know what has been done and what remained to be done during the investigation THE YEAR LONGER Gerry describes the period without his daughter as "the longest years of our lives' and says that Maddie is still part of the lives of twins NEW HOME IN THE BLOG Gerry McCann pointed out yesterday in his blog the first anniversary of the disappearance of her daughter, who qualifies as' crime '

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Unknown said...

Still Ana, Rodrigues, may ask Amaral for his thoughts on the case.

Right on top, Viv, has a link to the cast.

David Payne said: "We know they didn't do it."

Rachael Oldfield on the BBC 4 "Searching for Madeleine", said: "They couldn't have done it."

It would be nice of them to explain, what is the IT, they haven't done or couldn't have done.

ta ra said...

Mariana,
As far as I understand this case, it is the movements of the relevant people which is most relevant to the 'mystery' of 'missing' Maddie.

Timelines can be confused even when people are honest. Movements are fixed - by time, and motive.

Just a thought.

VIV: a picture paints a thousand words. No wonder pictures disturb liars. Click. Job done. So thinks the liar,and so thinks the inquisitor, exposing the liar.

Boa Noite Portugal, Goedonavond Holland, Good Night UK.

In these quite times, justice is served, whatever route it takes, imo.

xo Darlings. See you next time.
leigh

irina said...

Hello everyone!
So great that you keep it going, and thank you for that.
I do not know if it was mentioned before, but I came across the little Philomena's speech that shocked me and as a result I have made this conclusion:
McCanns treated their children like solders or prisoners: there have been many rules which they had to follow or else!!!
Going to bed at 7 is one, no nonsense or bothering parents is two, and HEALHY EATING is three. I am sure there were more violently enforced.

First, why violently? One reasons the characters of couple. Other the scared look on Madeleine face on all the videos.

Secondly Philomena’s speech: see the Joan Morais site, the Aljaseera program article (rather pro) - last video clip very beginning). Philomena shows the photo of Madeleine in Ireland and says: It was the first ice-cream the children ever tasted (parents had rules of healthy eating).

Terrifying!!

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Ana said...

Mariana,
Yes, he can asks and I am sure he will or have already asked?!Who knows?!




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ta ra said...

Irina,
Delighted as always to read our Russian friend in Ireland highlighting the emotional and physical abnormalities of this sad case.

'Aunty Phil' is a liability, to be sure. Silly woman should learn to keep her big trap shut if she wants justice for the McCanns.

Unknown said...

Thanks Leigh,
You are right, photos do not lie.

Hello Irina,
Yes you are right, first time ever the kids had ice-cream, I have watched this video.
I think one of the aunties, -it could be Phil-, when she was told that Madeleine was missing she said:"She knows better than that", thinking perhaps that the child had wandered off.

ta ra said...

Mariana,
Every time you share your thoughts o the world weird web, justice for the people is served, in my opinion.

Press on, Mariana. This is the
21st Century, whether we like it or not.
Best wishes to you and yours. Well done, you.
leigh

Unknown said...

You know, Leigh,
I think all the people who have made the websites or blogs, and have spend and are spending time to promote Madeleine's rights, have done a great job. They have created a most valuable library for the world.

ta ra said...

And finally...

Madeleine Beth McCann, dead aged 3, the beloved sister of Sean and Amelie, the beloved daughter of fatally flawed parents, Kate and Gerry.

God have mercy on all their souls. God loves all his children, whatever their age, imo. God places Madeleine with all the neglected children who will die tonight. Twas ever thus. When will children become a priority in the world? I wonder.

The McCann Machine of media manipulators protects adults, and sacrifices honest pursuit of truth for children, imo, Pursuit without fear or favour, whatever it takes, however long it takes.

And that is why most ordinary, kind, humble people refuse to accept the version of events presented by the McCann parents, their friends, their political, media, legal...expensive campaign, mostly funded by a kind public, wanting to believe honest inquiry, but being given dishonest, self-serving cynicism, imho.
xo Darlings.
I think you are all wonderful for pursuing the cause of children, whoever they are, wherever they are.
Every child is one child...if we make it so.

ta ra said...

Mariana,

A library for the world, as you put it. I agree.
One world. Shared information. Maybe the world weird web will be something more than commercialism.

We can hope.

Boa noite Mariana. Well done.
x
leigh

Ana said...

A German tourist says that she saw Kate on her way back to the apartment long time before 22:00!!!


Latest on SOS Maddie!


09.05.2008
Several witnesses are ready to help PJ, but not yet the McCann
Several witnesses have already expressed their willingness to return to Praia da Luz, the village where the disappeared Madeleine McCann, in response to the request of the Judicial Police (PJ) to make a more complete recovery of the events of May 3, 2007.

The information was doubly confirmed today in Portimão (Portugal) and Enderby (United Kingdom), although both sources have acknowledged that there is still no fixed date for that service.

"We still hope that the parents of Madeleine decide to take part ... logically, they should be the first to be interested," said a police officer from Leicestershire.

Despite the statements of his lawyers, Portugal, Kate and Gerry McCann indicated that they did not intend to make the trip unless the status of defendants is withdrawn, which, in practice, it seems impossible, as the couple should know!
After Kate and Gerry have been declared suspects last September, the diplomatic services of the United Kingdom in Portugal put pressure on the Portuguese authorities so that the couple could from giving their assurance that the parents of Madeleine return as soon as the police require .
Eight months later, the diplomats are no longer in office and the promise was forgotten by the British side.

Without any help from their government, the other accused, investigated the disappearance of Madeleine, the British Robert Murat, is available to participate in a recovery, although his lawyer, Dr. Francisco Pagarete, contacted by SOS Madeleine, says has not yet received a formal request in this regard.

The accused state can be kept under certain conditions, for twenty years, and would like Murat although the investigation is accelerating the way to resume a normal life as possible, even if for the moment, the British try to understand why, how and who would be behind the accusations that were made to answer it.

In the UK, Robert Murat already accused of defamation 13 newspapers and a television channel. The British media calls on the record 2 million pounds, more than 2.5 million, one of the largest in the history of compensation from the United Kingdom, which explains why some media took the decision "Delete on the Internet several articles about the accusations made in the past.

The indices are against McCann

Among witnesses that the police have to go back to Praia da Luz, a German tourist said the researchers have seen Kate McCann returned to the apartment for dinner, well before the time when the mother of Madeleine has given the alarm. His testimony is corroborated by a second witness, an official of the Ocean Club.

These stories can help reconstruct the movements of each element of the group of friends, all nine of the Tapas Bar, but does not explain by itself proof that the Task Force to British police had found with the inspectors PJ.

In the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, the dogs of British police have reported the smell of a corpse behind the sofa which is located near the rear window. On this tiny window curtains police found traces of blood, despite the fact that they had been cleaned, as the wall.

The only fingerprints found are those of Kate, Gerry and friends of the couple.

Later, in the Renault Scenic hired by McCann May 27, the Luso-British team a corpse found the smell, but also human fluids and hair. The studies carried out in laboratories that used police revealed a strong likelihood that it was Madeleine, researchers say nothing of 100% to this degree of reliability is never given by scientists when it is the DNA.

In the house where McCann had settled after leaving the compound of Mark Warner, Villa Mar Vista, British dogs have once again reported the smell of the corpse, this time with clothes belonging to Kate McCann.

"The PJ will stop for better jump"

New Director of PJ is back on duty

"My friends, remember that the fight against crime PJ will never retreat. But if you do, is just to jump better," said Almeida Rodrigues, the first inspector career to assume duties as director of the National Council of Police Judicial (PJ) Portuguese. The new director spoke to all of PJ inspectors during his investiture ceremony in the presence of Prime Minister José Sócrates, and Justice Minister Alberto Costa.

Among the media files inherited by the new director has found the investigation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, or Almeida Rodrigues wants to be reassuring. According to the new director, research vai continue "without any interference in the normal course of justice is tolerated."

Jose Maria Rodrigues de Almeida, born August 10, 1958, in Viseu, northern Portugal, has a degree in law from the University of Coimbra before returning, 26 years ago, as part of the Judicial Police.

Sub-Deputy National Director of the PJ, at the time of the resignation of Alipio Ribeiro, who is known for his tireless work as coordinator of criminal investigation.

Among its official curriculum have found several management positions within the PJ missions, but also abroad, especially with the General Assembly of Interpol and police in Cape Verde, where he was honored by the local government for their work.




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ta ra said...

Dear Ana,
This inquiry is now all about the movements, not the timeline. Not the timeline last May, and not the timelines now. It's all about who goes where, and when. The movements.

That is something which the investigators will watch very closely.

Justice may be slow, but sure, Ana. Trust in that, however long it takes.

Gotta go. Thank you for putting the information 'out there', on the world weird web.
xo
leigh

P.S. The diplomatic service outlives mere politicians.

ta ra said...

Dear Ana,
This inquiry is now all about the movements, not the timeline. Not the timeline last May, and not the timelines now. It's all about who goes where, and when. The movements.

That is something which the investigators will watch very closely.

Justice may be slow, but sure, Ana. Trust in that, however long it takes.

Gotta go. Thank you for putting the information 'out there', on the world weird web.
xo
leigh

P.S. The diplomatic service outlives mere politicians.

irina said...

Ana, great article.
I am sure there are many more things that PJ do know, which we don't know and ( oh dear!) McCann don't know.

Joe said...

If the German tourist saw KM going back to the apartment surely the PJ have known this for a long time?

Mr.Ribeiro is quoted as saying this investigation may take years and people have to be patient,suggesting even that it may go unsolved.

irina said...

Leigh, I remember in times of despair you always said: patience...
You were and are right. Things have gone write way and progressing towards the justice in spite all the McCanns and co. body movements.
Thank you.

irina said...

I think Mr.Ribeiro was not trusted to know every detail about the investigation and rightly so.

ta ra said...

Joe,
Go unsolved? Only in the wildest dreams of wrongdoers.

Too much evidence, and information has been collated. Unsolved is the dream of the McCann Machine of media manipulators. They are busted, and they know that.

Really must go now, and will!

ta ra said...

Irina,
It is my happy moment to sign off tonight to you, our Russian friend in Ireland. I must leave for now.

Patient. Perseverance. Trust your instinct. Ignore weak willed people.
x
leigh

Unknown said...

Hiya all

just popped back and wanted to say Ana - what a fantastic article!

Do you think the controlling Gerry McCann will be able to bear to stay away from the reconstruction when he considers all these witnesses stating where they all were and what they were doing without his input or knowledge?

Hereing of these two new witnesses coupled with the new PJ boss and his comments just confirms to me they really do mean business with the McCanns.

I post below the article from Expresso.

Finally Ana your advert about you do not fall down the stairs is absolutely hilarious.. Rosie should not wish for such things!

Back a bit later oh Leigh - just wanted to say yes Wilkins is going to be yet another damning witness against them, he says McCanns were both talking about Madeleine wandering off but then the next week became set on the abduction theory - oh dear but they go on TV and say right away they know for a fact Madeleine was abducted. If you look back the first interview with the BBC is on here where they are adamantly stating this which is just absurd - how could they have immediately known this and is this why they did not even bother to go and look for her. Go, go, go, PJ!!!



New Director of the PJ has already taken possession
"If it back to gain momentum"
I wanted serenar any controversy with judges, spoke to the hearts of fellow policemen and promised fight without truce against crime. Almeida Rodrigues is the new director of national PJ.

18:01 | Friday, May 9, 2008



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Luis Faustino
Almeida Rodrigues: "Our fight is only against crime"
In the first speech as national director of the Judicial Police, Almeida Rodrigues has sought to appease the very souls of judges and prosecutors, for the first time away from the direction of the house: "Everything that we will ever improve if the mechanisms of relationship and whether closer ties that unite us. "

The hundreds of policemen who suavam in acanhada room of the Ministry of Justice sorriram only when the new director promised fight without quarter against crime: "Remember that in the fight against crime by PJ never backs. But if you have to do so, will be only to take stock. " And more: "Our fight against crime will be just that, with due respect for legal norms, not give truce."

Unexpected Visit
Luis Barra / Vision
Gonçalo Amaral also is director of the PJ of Portimão
Goncalo Amaral, the first man who investigated the 'if Maddie' and was removed by Alípio Ribeiro was an unexpected visit. But after all is still director of the PJ of Portimão, since the application for retirement has not yet been dispatched.

Alípio Ribeiro was one of the first to arrive and was entitled to a few minutes of private conversation with the prime minister, José Sócrates, not provided any statement.

Maria Jose Morgado, director of DIAP of Lisbon, said was "pleased" with the choice of the new director and the Minister of Justice, Alberto Costa announced the entry of 159 new inspectors and a financial boost of 4 million.

Almeida Rodrigues, impeccable in fact clear and new haircut, had the goodness to make a short speech that allowed the general debandada in minutes. Gonçalo Amaral was the last to leave.

Ana said...

Leigh,


The timeline and the movements made in that time.
We all know that they are liars but what more lies have they told?
I remember the cook woman who spoke On Sic Channel, she said that Kate gave the alarm at 9:30pm, if so, why have they call the police only 1hour and 10 min later?She was so sure that Madeleine was abducted after all, why waite?

ta ra said...

Viv,
The hearts, the souls, the truth.

May it be so. It will be so, in time, I think.
xo, chica.
leigh

Ana said...

"I am sure there are many more things that PJ do know, which we don't know and ( oh dear!) McCann don't know."

Quite right, Paulo Pereira Cristovão said a couple of days ago that when the news became public, the police know, those news, at least with 1 or 2 months in advantage...

ta ra said...

Ana,
They waited for a reason, and you know what that is: their need to cover up; make excuses; put plans in place; phone contacts in Portugal and the UK. No parents of a genuinely 'missing' child does that.
Forunately, the PJ assisted by their British colleagues know this too. It is only a matter of assembling evidence for court proceedings - and that is a high hurdle as Viv often reminds us.

SORRY IRINA :-) My last goodnight was meant for you, but you see how this story goes. Trut will out, bit by bit on the world weird web.

Ana said...

Hi Viv,

I was a bit surprise when I read that Gonçalo Amaral went to the possession but I shouldn’t, he is the type of man with strong believes and very brave. I think he was sending a message…Gonçalo Amaral-The Great!
The reason for them not coming to the reconstructions is obvious; they know that all their lies would be exposed! He ( Gerry) thinks he is alone in the world? What a stupid man! Of Course there would be others witnesses… Not everybody is payable!

Ana said...

I forgot to say and this is important:
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Gina said...

Hi All

Nancy I don't think you are around now, but to answer your earlier post, yes business is very slow at the moment in the Estate Agents business, but I was only helping out while someone was off sick. However telling you that a week or so ago has tripped me up apparently. I just fell about laughing when I read that I was a liar because I said I was an airtraffic controller before. Well I did when someone asked how people could spend so long on line and I said my job was boring watching dots moving about all the time so I would stack the planes and blog instead. Can you believe that some moron actually could not see I was joking and believed that!!!! Will try and catch up with you tomorrow, and read back on a load of interesting posts.

Gina said...

Viv or anybody a question. I said I do not understand forensics, I also doubt IF the McCanns had anything to do with M's disappearance the kept her body for 25 days before disposing of it. Very risky IMO. However is it possible for the fluids found to have been transferred to the car via another article that has been in contact with a corpse. Easy answers please!!

Joe said...

If the German tourist and the cook at the Tapas are correct and a waiter as well I believe, that 21.30 was the time that madeline was discovered missing, why then did the McCanns say it was 22.00 hours? Why then wait another 40 mins to call the PJ? If true it defies belief?

Ana said...

Hi Gina,

Is very well known here that, the PJ doesn’t believe that it was Madeleine’s body on the car, they believe it was others things used in the occultation, don’t know what ...Hope I helped you.

Joe said...
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Gina said...

Thanks Ana, yes it does help a bit.

Joe said...

Gina,

My opinion if the McCanns were involved in the disappearance of Madeline they had 2 choices, 1) call the PJ and explain what happened 2) take a high risk in covering it up and if it pays off well and good, the risk would be worth it. They would have to have help from others that is the only way they could pull it off, then it became easier, but so many people keeping a secret, thats the riskiest part IMO.

Cláudia said...

Hey, Gina, a quick break from my translation to tell you that the PJ does not believe it was Madeleine's body in the boot of the car. The strongest possibility is that it was from an object/ material which had been in contact with the body.

ratonthebeam said...

Joe, none of them had watches or mobiles on. So how the h*ll would they know whether it was 9:30, 9:58or 10:00? :-)

Gina said...

Hi Joe, As you know I don't know what to think, but I had assumed that the body would have had to be in the car to get the forensic evidence they claim to have and I could not see anybody risking keeping a body for that long. I am not convinced that if they had anything to do with it all the group know the truth and the secret they are hiding is related to hiding someone identity who was there that night. However, bottom line is I am just guessing

Ana said...

Here is the interview with the Tapas´s cook , for those who haven´t watched.

And here the translation by Joana Morais:

Tapas Cook Breaks Silence and talks about the McCanns


All the Tapas employees working that night were sacked from the Ocean Club. The former cook from the Tapas Bar gives her story about what happened on that night. The McCanns never left the apartment after the alarm was raised. All the police, locals, and employees from the Tapas bar and Ocean Club never saw the Parents searching for their own daughter. More than 200 employees were interviewed by the PJ.




[Inside SIC Studio]

Journalist on Studio: And tomorrow, 3rd of May marks a year since Madeleine McCann disappeared. There in Praia da Luz, Maria João [name of the other Journalist], good evening, is there any ceremonial service predicted?

[Cut to journalist on location]

Maria João: Here, in the Ocean Club, no, nothing is going to happen here to mark the date, just a mass that will be done tomorrow at 18:30pm in the church of Luz. A bilingual mass which is going to mark one year since the disappearance of Maddie. In relation to the process, there are no new developments expected for the next few days. Only in the 15th the Judge of Criminal Instruction from Portimão’s Court is going to reassess if the process continues or not under Secrecy of Justice. It’s very likely that the process continues like in the last year. Who broke the silence, while we're on the subject, were the Portuguese employees from the Tapas Bar, the restaurant where the couple McCann had dinner in the night of Maddie’s disappearance. Those 8 Portuguese employees didn’t see their contracts renewed this year. They were obliged in the last 12 months to be silent, forbidden to talk with journalists. Since they contracts were not renewed they decided to talk. SIC has spoken with the cook.

[Cut to medium shot of 2 people behind a tree]

Voice over Introduction: She doesn’t ‘show’ her face but a year later and without working in the Ocean Club, Manuela decided that she wasn’t obliged to the silence anymore. The cook [chef] who prepared a ‘Robalo’ [Snook fish/ Sargeant fish] with cuscus [signature dish of the Arab world] and the pepper steak meal the McCanns had to dinner in the night Maddie disappeared was in the griller area 3 meters away from the table of the couple.

[Shot of interior of the Ocean Club, focus on the Tapas Bar]

Manuela, the cook: They had already eaten the main course, [Cut to blurry image of a woman’s face, with a strong southern accent from Algarve], because it was already around 9:30pm when she gave the alarm.

Voice over: This former employee from the Tapas tells that immediately various colleagues left their work posts to help the searches. Meanwhile, in the hours that followed, during most of the time the McCanns stayed inside the apartment.

Manuela: My colleagues were indignated [angered/offended], because they went… One of them even had his feet all red, tired… and he was offended because he went to search though he wasn’t anything related to the girl, and the parents didn’t. [Cut to apartment] They stayed indoors, in the apartment.

[Various shots around the Ocean Club, archive footage of Police and Media]

Voice Over: A year ago, suddenly everything changed in the Ocean Club. The quiet resort, ideal for family holidays, was invaded by police and journalists.

Manuela: The Ocean Club, the Tapas turned into a pandemonium [chaos]. No one could get out, no one could get in. Even if we were married, our husbands couldn’t get in, neither our friends. Everything was surrounded… The security officers didn’t know the employees. They thought the employees were journalists. In the beginning everything was really complicated.

Voice Over: The Judiciary went in a full scale operation to Praia da Luz. For more than a month the investigators created a kind of headquarters in one of the apartments of the Ocean Club. All the employees from the resort were heard.

Manuela: They all went in two… in two hours by two hours, two [referring to the number of people –in pairs], during sometime. Close to a month. We were almost 200 employees.

Voice Over: Manuela remembers of seeing Madeleine sometimes.

Manuela: When the Parents would put her at the crèche, in the babysitters, the kitchen was next to it.

Journalist on location: How was Madeleine’s routine during those holidays? When she entered there, in the Ocean Club?

Manuela: She got in, was delivered to the babysitters. The babysitters would do a class; they would do a group course with the girls. Between 4pm and 4:30pm they had something to eat. In the morning they had a fruit lunch [breakfast?]… And then the parents would come to pick them up at 5 o’clock in the afternoon.

Journalist: In the middle of all those children do you remember Maddie?

Manuela: Because she entered there, she would wave goodbye, or say hello…She was really nice [lovely/polite]. She was always smiling.

Voice Over: After the disappearance of the girl, several family members of Kate and Gerry came to the Algarve.

Manuela: I remember that the family members instead of being worried with the family, would go to the pool, rented the tennis court, played tennis… Instead of being worried with the child that was disappeared!

Voice Over: The majority of the employees who was in the Tapas in the night of the Maddie’s disappearance as already left the resort.

Manuela: The contract ended and they sent us to unemployment.

Journalist: All the team that was in the Tapas that night?

Manuela: All the team that was there in that night.

Voice Over: After the disappearance of Maddie, the McCanns stayed in the Ocean Club for more 65 days. In July they moved to a house in the outskirts, away from the journalists eyes. It was there that they stayed until the 9 of September, the day that they went back to England.

Gina said...

Claudia, thanks for that I was not sure as I do not understand forensics if it was possible to transfer the fluid that way, although I do not see why not.

Did you read my message to nancy, so funny,

Joe said...

Mitchell, is on Irish TV tonight, he has mentioned about 4 times abduction. She is out there. The PJ a wall of silence. Children get lost in a supermarket all the time. Same old dross. Yet again his mouth has not stopped and no hard questions.

docmac said...

Another ß¿ÕØÐ¥ test post.

Gina said...

joe what the hell has kids getting lost in the supermarket got to do with kids being left alone at night while their parents go out. When will an interviewer cut in when hearing all this dross and ask things like that

Off to bed now. Nite All

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
Yes, it is entirely possible.
What time was your post to Nancy? I would like to read it later.
Sleep well, neighbour!
xxxx

Joe said...

Just to finish a tame interview, pathetic. 4 bottles of wine between 9 people on the night, the British police told them not to show emotion, will stay with the McCanns for as long as it takes/needed. Same old rubbish and Mcanns hoping to come to Ireland soon. Thats it I could not stomach any more of the pink spin. My head is spinning now.

Gina said...

Claudia 22.24 it is about my air traffic control job. You remember the job that I got demoted from for blogging whilst on duty and had to stand on the runway with table tennis bats.-)

docmac said...

他媽的我說了永遠我恨的Blogger,它的氣味

I know you get a bit irritated with posts in other languages, Viv. I'm just so pleased to finally crack a post that I thought I would express my gratitude to all at Blogger in Chinese. Roughly translated, it means "I love Blogger, for ever and ever."

Ecolab said...

Gerry with his black and white sportsbag/tennisbag boarding the aeroplane!! Madeleine falling and daddy NOT moving an inch.

Madeleine Last video[Going to portugal]

last video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVpKUyK9whw

00:01 Madeleine sitting in the bus
00:02 Amalie light blond – Sean blond – Madeleine dark blond – Tanner girl dark.
00:03 Kate – Amalie – Sean – Madeleine in the bus
00:04 Kate – Amalie – Sean – Madeleine in the bus
00:05 Kates arm – Amalie – Sean – Madeleine – Tanner girl in the bus
00:06 Sean – Madeleine – Tanner girl – Gerry knee

00:06 Walking to the aeroplane – first Madeleine
next Gerry with little red bag and sportsbag/ tennisbag
00:07 First Madeleine – next Gerry with his black and white sportsbag/tennisbag
00:08 Madeleine and Tannergirl AT the stairs
00:09 Madeleine and Tannergirl ON the stairs
00:10 Madeleine and Tannergirl walking UP the stairs
00:11 Madeleine is falling
00:12 Gerry with his little red bag. Doing NOTHING. No reaction even by his arms!

Ana said...

Joe,
Is Madeleine supposed to be in Ireland? What a hell are they going to do in there? Holidays with the fund money?
For God sake!!

Cláudia said...

Gina, those people haven't got a brain cell amongst themselves! Did they believe that? No wonder they believe everything from team McCann! PMSL! :-)

Doc, glad you made it! :-)

Joe said...

Ana,

Mitchell was on a talk show here, promoting his clients and they were thanking people via him for cards , messages etc. Its the usual PR stuff and both the McCanns have Irish relatives. Mitchell said K&G remain and have always been committed to helping the Police with the inquiry. Being an Arguido is like helping the Police with an enquiry, suggesting it is not a big deal.

Ana said...

"will stay with the McCanns for as long as it takes/needed"

Madeleine will never be found, at least alive,is he suppose to work from them all his life?
Oh dear!What a nice job!

Joe said...

Ana,

During the whole interview he spoke( well I say interview, it was all one way from a thug in an ill fitting suit, thats what he looked like)of Madeline as if she is alive. Not once was he corrected or told statistically she is more than likely dead even if an abduction took place. It is shocking that he gets a platform week in and out to spew this rubbish to fawning hosts.

Ana said...

"Being an Arguido is like helping the Police with an enquiry, suggesting it is not a big deal.
"

Is he stupid or what? That is the case of witnesses not the arguidos aka suspects. Hope the Irish people, don’t buy it and starting send them money!

Joe said...

Ana,

I do not think the audience were swayed really, a muted welcome. People did not accept that it was ok to leave small children under any circumstances. The Show did not allow any text comments or emails and the 3 questions from the audience were mild
like it was rehearsed. I wish I had been there to ask him a few questions. No, I do not think anybody will be sending more money as the fund was not even mentioned

Ana said...

Joe,
Pity the show did not allow questions by the audience, at least real questions...
The fund was not mentioned, thanks God for that!
Thank you Joe for your "report"! lol

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, everybody.
I have an early start tomorrow.
xxxx

Ana said...

Bye Cláudia,dorme bem!

Ana said...

Good night everyone!

Joe said...

Goodnight Ana and everyone else.

Penelope said...

Viv,

Just sent an e-mail with a photo + comment - somehow the photo couldn't copy and paste here, so I had to e-mail it as an attachment.

Penelope

Unknown said...

Hi Penelope thanks very much for that - I have put the photo of Madeleine on the tour bus on the top of this thread, again as you say showing longer, darker hair. Clearly a four year old not a three year old. I agree Gerry went home and photoshopped that cute image of Madeleine and then a full three weeks after she went missing proclaimed this is the last pic of Maddie, the man must be stark raving mad..talk about handing it to the police on a plate! All he could think about was his pathetic scheme to make a stash of cash and how he could just rubbish the Portuguese Police, well tough luck Gerry!

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!!!

Viv x

Unknown said...

You know what is worse still, if we can all clearly see that picture is a fake, then the whole of the McCann's family would know it is a fake. But John McCann is still Director of the Find Maddie Fund. No wonder the police want to interview all the relatives as well. I would not like to be John McCann. Maybe Philomena did not get asked to shut up, she wanted to!!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Disclosure: Desabafo site in English
Researchers say that Maddie is dead
"Vai win the truth and justice for a girl who has no voice, dead in the evening on May 3 in apartment 5A, the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz" The sentence is Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of research to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.




Word by word, the desabafo integrates a text sent by the inspector of the Judicial Police (PJ) - In the pre-retirement - for an English site, which collects information on the mystery created around the child English, missing one years ago today.

The message was published on April 22 and is accompanied with the announcement that "soon, very soon, the world will know the 'truth of lies''. Curiously, the title of the book is that, as the CM already reported, Gonçalo Amaral intends to launch, with data explosives on his experience as a researcher of PJ during the period that was in front of Maddie case.

The CM knows that this is the full conviction of this element of PJ, which is based on "strong indications" and lead to follow the theory of negligent homicide, following an accident inside the apartment where the couple spent McCann holiday.

In the same British site (www.mc-cannfiles.com), without ever accuse anyone, Gonçalo Amaral says that you can not 'make any comment on the investigation to the case McCann' to 'not compromise the secrecy of justice'.

Stresses only that, to believe in their own freedom of expression, demanded the reform of the Judiciary in May. Aomesmotempo, thanked "the support of milharesdepessoas' that have contacted him and have sent letters and e-mails, umpouco throughout the world.

Gonçalo Amaral also states that 'all insults, lies and false accusations launched since last year (when still investigating the case Maddie) will be brought to justice', through their lawyers, as already reported by the CM.

In the same British site - where the author says' find the truth about Madeleine McCann and highlight concerns and inconsistencies' - is still published the outcome of a vote on what happened to Madeleine, where the vast majority of voters said the child English ' died after an accident and parents are involved. "

TIOS PRIMOS AND PART OF MADELEINE Mass IN THE LIGHT

The couple McCann vai not be attending the mass at the Church of Praia da Luz, where today, starting at 18:30, vai be marked the anniversary of the disappearance of their daughter, but the family of Madeleine vai be represented by brothers, Gerry, John and Patricia (This accompanied by her husband, Sandy), and also by Michael Wright, cousin of Kate. The couple asked them to come 'on pilgrimage. " The Mass vai be celebrated by parish priest da Luz, Jose Pacheco, with the assistance of the Anglican priest Haynes Hubbard, also of the town.

Source of the parish states that at the beginning of the celebration, 'totally Catholic', there will be a 'prayer together. " And, notes, the Mass' does not follow the anniversary of the disappearance 'of girl:' It is a coincidence, because in every first Saturday of the month celebrating Mass at 18.30. "

THE EYE IN THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD WITHOUT THE SKY NEWS

On the eyes of the world is come back again to the Praia da Luz, the big missing is the Sky News. From the first moment at the forefront of the disappearance of Maddie, the British channel of information has already illuminated not consider the anniversary 'news' and have opted not to send a team to the ground - which is only Alex Watts, of Sky online. The television images of 5News vai use, channel of the same group, which is in town, and the BBC, ITV and GMTV.

In addition to television channels, the British press is still represented by newspapers as the 'News of the World', 'Mail', 'Mirror', 'Sun', 'Express',' Independent ',' Times' and 'Telegraph'. As for international agencies, the highlight vai for Reuters and the Associated Press.

In Babel where in the last week turned to make the Praia da Luz, there are still many journalists from other European countries and worldwide, while the more numerous the Spaniards (Tele 5 and RTE) and Germans (the RTL and ZDF). But there are also Dutch, and even Australians. -- A.P. l

REPORTING OF FAMILY VIZINHA

Pamela Fenn, who lives above the apartment where Maddie disappeared and that the cry heard the day before, at night, without which, allegedly, parents had to help ido, the CM expressed its doubts about the usefulness of the evocation of the anniversary of disappearance of the girl: 'What is the advantage? It does not appear vai ', he said, noting that in England, parents who abandon or neglect their children' are arrested. "

The UK does not believe that Kate and Gerry accept Portugal will make the restoration. 'But, if required, would have to be' stressed. Pamela avoided, however, answer the question of CM on the witness made last week, to his niece Carol, in Leicestershire, which has continued for three hours. Carol said having seen a suspicious man around the Ocean Club on the night of the disappearance. At the time it was thought that there was one of the gardeners resort and track was abandoned.

CHANNELS ON FORCE

The most televisions affixed to the direct (coinciding with the main news of the day), accompanied by extensive reports. This is the vai make TVI, while SICoptou to issue a direct light - from a stage mounted front of the Ocean Club - which faces the apartment of Tapas and where Maddie disappeared. As for RTP, is installed in the second apartment that McCann occupied in the Ocean Club, after the first had been delivered to the Judicial Police in the investigation (a situation that still).

NOTES

GREEN STILL NO DATE OF PUBLICATION

The book of Gonçalo Amaral is writing and publication is being negotiated with a publisher. It should not be edited while it holds the secret.

ENGLISH GO DELIVERED COMPLAINTS

Lawyers for Amaral are in contact with British colleagues who will forward the criminal complaints against the English newspapers.

KATE AND GERRY NOTE ANNIVERSARY IN PRIVATE

Kate and Gerry McCann should spend the day in the refuge of the family home in Rothley, together with their young twins Sean and Amelie, for three years. Neither should go to church to pray for missing children.

LAWYERS ACONSELHAM COUPLE TO AVOID PORTUGAL

According to British newspapers, the lawyers of McCann advised the couple not to travel to Portugal. The advice is based on their condition of defendants in investigating the disappearance of their daughter.

SECRECY OF JUSTICE

Obastonário of the Bar, Marino Pinto, said he 'difficulty' in realizing when the secrecy of Justice will be raised for Maddie.

POSSIBLE ARCHIVING

The newspaper 'Express' said yesterday in its online edition that the PJestá to prepare the closing of the case. Sources contacted by the PJ CM not confirm this information.

DETAILS

POPULATION CANSADA

In Praia da Luz, part of the population shows up now 'tired' case of Madeleine and in media attention on the town. Residents eager to return to normality and complain about the negative impact that the case has had on tourism.

MURAT LEFT OF LIGHT

Francisco Pagarete, lawyer for Robert Murat - accused in the case Madeleine -, confirmed yesterday the CM that its constituent 'is no longer in town,' where only returned after the media circus being dissipated.

VIGÍLIA FOR FRIDAY

Every Friday, the end of the day, the Anglican priest Haynes Hubbard held a vigil for Madeleine, in the Church of Luz The yesterday, scheduled for 21:00, has been unchecked.

Penelope said...

Hi Viv,

Good to hear from you.

One other point about the photo - in the bus she has her FRINGE, tha slightly long one, pushed to the side (the one so well recreated in their other fake photo - of the little girl on the back on the alleged Moroccan farmer with the ridiculous newly bought holiday sombrero.

You can see this long whispy fringe pushed to the side also in the "Maddie in the football t-shirt" photo (sorry, won't attach, I'l send via e-mail)

However in the poolside photo, she has a short piece of hair at the middle of her face, but not this long whisy fringe. Obviously at this pre-long whispy fringe time, this piece of hair kept swinging down and getting in her eyes (the main reason some people need fringes, its how their hair falls) and so this this piece of hair is pulled away from her face using the bead/hair elastic.

I spend hours doing 4 years olds hair for ballet shows and exams - I know how it behaves!

I also know the body shape of young children - look how long Maddie's legs are in the "tennis balls" photo. Much longer and browner and of a more defined shape than in the poolside alleged last photo.

hope4truth said...

Morning All

Joe said last night that CM on the Irish show said "Being an Arguido is like helping the Police with an enquiry, suggesting it is not a big deal."

If he really believes that why do they keep spouting on about having the status lifted? And just how much have they helped the police with the enquiry?

If they are inocent why do they still need spin? They dont want publicity anymore (or is that just negative publicity?)

This turned into a farce a long time ago their daughter is missing and that is tragic whatever happend to her is tragic and they have to live with the guilt of not being there for her (although it has taken a year before hearing it was wrong but still with spin so it did not seem to bad)...

They still have a lot of money in the fund if she is really missing then why not find a firm that specialises in missing children a firm that has rescued children from the kind of scum they say have taken her?

I would also imagine agencys from all over the world have had a look into this and may have dug about a bit to see if they can find any trace of her. Some may have done it just to help but with over 2 million reward on offer if they thought they had any chance of finding her the reward money alone would be a good incentive.

Unfortunatly Peadophiles are not set in any one group they can be anyone of any social class and they may keep very sick secrets so they can indulge in their sick lives but when 2 million reward money is on offer if they were not involved but have any information they would have given the information to the police by now.

It would be intresting to know how many people have come forward to try and claim the reward.

Maybe I dont understand but if my daughter was missing I would be exactly where the PJ wanted me to be answer every question put to me and would not be wasting money on spin and lawyers if I was inocent they could not posibly have any DNA evidence against me so they could threaten all they liked I would know they could not produce a thing.

What do I know I am obviously just jealous and bitter (and a size zero with perfect teeth) LOL

Anyhow off to dentist now went back yesterday for my final treatment and she discovered another root canal in the same tooth? So another day in agony no sleep but I have an appointment in a minute so best go... Oh well if all I have to worry about is a tooth I am pretty lucky...

See you all later xxx

dolores said...

Viv,
In my eyes they are raising more awareness to their guilt, by not taking part in a reconstruction.
Interesting also,that arguido status can be maintained for twenty years.Could this be the wake up call to make them comply?
Imagine their frustration at not being able to make big money on the back of a story,(Their version)
xx D


Several witnesses ready to assist the PJ but not yet the McCann

Several witnesses have already expressed their readiness to return to Praia da Luz, the village where Madeleine McCann disappeared, in response to the request of the Judicial Police (PJ) who wishes to make a more complete recovery of the events of May 3, 2007.
The information has been doubly confirmed today in Portimão (Portugal) and Enderby (United Kingdom), although both sources have acknowledged that there is not yet determined a date for this care.
"We still hope that Madeleine's parents decide to participate ... logically, they should be the first to be interested," says a police officer of Leicestershire.

Despite the statements by his lawyers in Portugal, Kate and Gerry McCann have indicated that they did not intend to make the trip as the authorities do not decide what to raise their status arguidos, what, in practice, seems impossible, as the couple must know.
After Kate and Gerry had been declared arguidos last September, the diplomatic services of the United Kingdom in Portugal had put pressure on the Portuguese authorities so the couple can start afresh, giving their assurance that the parents of Madeleine would be returned as soon that the police request. . Eight months later, the diplomats are no longer in office and the promise has been forgotten, the British side.
Without any help from his government, the other arguido in investigating the disappearance of Madeleine, the British Robert Murat, is available to participate in a recovery even though his lawyer, master Francisco Pagarete, contacted by SOS Madeleine, says not having received a formal request in this regard.
The arguido status can be maintained under certain conditions, for twenty years, and would like Murat although the investigation is accelerated form to resume as normal a life as possible, even if for the moment, the British try to understand why , How and who would be behind the accusations that were made to meet him.

Later in the Renault Scenic hired May 27 by McCann, the Luso-British team found the smell a corpse but also human fluids and hair.
The studies carried out in laboratories which police appealed revealed a strong probability that it was Madeleine, investigators do not talk about 100% as this degree of reliability is never given by scientists when it is DNA. . In the house where McCann had settled after leaving the compound of the Mark Warner, Vivenda Mar Vista, dogs British have once again reported the smell of corpse, this time on clothing belonging to Kate McCann.

Penelope said...

Viv,

You make a very intersting comment in the main thread,i.e. what happened to Maddie that she changed from being a happy little girl in the earlier photos into the sad child before the holiday. Apparantly the nannies in MW said that she was a shy and quiet child - quite a different story to the one told in the younger photos, when she was brimming with bright enthusiasm for life.

Kate is quite a vain and superficial lady (who else could get her highlights done afer her child was allegedly abducted, choose different pairs of earrings each day etc etc) and she is also very feminine, a realy "girly" girl, certainly from her physical appearance, which she works quite hard at.

I think what happend was, the twins got a bit older, and Amelie now was the cute and fluffy one, heading towards two children a nd girls in particular lose the baby look and become like little toy dolls. (I have often remarked this, with friend's children. I would even say to a friend "how's your toy doll?". For Kate, Maddie was a bit of a doll - look at the photographs of the younger Maddie with clothes and make up, literally "dolled up", used like a baby doll, you put make up on her, you choose her clothes and you dress her. Indeed, Kate talked about how they loved going to the hairdresser together.

I reckon Maddie three-to-four rebelled against this, threw tantrums ("I'm not putting on that dress" , "I don't want my hair like that!" and lost her appeal. At the same time, Amelie had changed from being a baby and grown into that "toy doll" stage and was thrilled to be able to fit into the clothes the older sister she admired had worn. She complied with Kate's wishes, she was happy to be the toy doll, the object of Kate's clear enjoyment of being a girl. And Maddie, grown up past the fluffy stage, was replaced, discarded, not able to understand why suddenly Mummy didn't love her any more, adding further to the cycle of difficulty between herself and Kate.

Makes sense?

ratonthebeam said...

I have thought thst the "last photo" is a fake for a long long time, for a number of reasons. And when it comes to photoshopping, I only have a little experience, but even I could spot it.

That begs the question, why???? :-?

ratonthebeam said...

Doc - you mean like this?

אני אוהב בלוגר לאי פעם ואי פעם

Penelope said...

Rat on the Beam,

Why fake th photo?

1. To prove she was alive on May 3rd at 2.3pm

2. To show that they actually DID have a "family photo" - Gerry had to go all the way back to the UK to get a picture of Maddie with himself and a sibling, there were obviously none on his own camera, toehrwise he would have produced one earlier. The reason they didn't have a family holiday snap was that the kids were dumped in the creche all day and dumped alone in the appartment at night - this was not a normal loving family holiday, this is not a normal loving family.

3. To get a more dated picture of Maddie, where she was not showing signs of physical abuse - on the "tennis balls" photo you can clearly see marks on her forearms. Children don't fall and bruises heir forearms, they fall forward onto the palms of their hands and hurt their wrists (though at Maddie's age they are still quite bouncy, not all the bones are fully formed).

ratonthebeam said...

Penelope, it was a rhetorical question :-) but I agree with you 100%. And guess who would be a dab hand at photoshopping? Here's a wee clue. Who edits videos areound here????!!!!!!

Stella said...

Good morning everyone..

I have to agree with Viv, in the tennis balls photo, Madeleine looks the oldest out of all the photo's I have seen. The pool shot image of Madeleine, looks like it was taken last year.

Let's just say for one moment the tennis balls photo is the last one taken.

Madeleine has a grab mark on her wrist?

Instead of wearing the trainers she left to go on holiday with as seen boarding the plane, she is wearing sandals?

The McCann's would have us believe Madeleine had a tennis lesson on her last day, would you send your child for a lesson wearing sandals or trainers?

Why is there blurring around Madeleine's silhouette? Did they need to erase something or someone from the background of the original?

Unknown said...

Hi Penelope,

1. To prove she was alive on May 3rd at 2.3pm

This has been bugging me all along.
No independent witnesses to verify she was alive in the morning of May 3rd.

Is it possible that Gerry was in need of an alibi at 2:30?
Was he somewhere else at that time?
Did someone see him at another place, doing something else?

Stella said...

At first I thought Madeleine had been placed on that Tennis court, but now I have noticed something else. If you divide the background up into thirds, the top section is very consistent. The middle section is most certainly showing signs of manipulation. Compared to the top section it is all over the place.

Was the background changed to make Madeleine stand out, or was the background changed to prevent anyone seeing something else?? i.e. a child in the background wearing pink, when other photo's that day they are wearing yellow, therefore it was taken a day earlier??

If I were PJ, I would get my hands on the original...

Unknown said...

Hi Stella,
This tennis court photo was downloaded to the pc by a MW employee.

Stella said...

Mariana, Hi

That is rather strange. Gerry has talked many times of how happy Madeleine was at picking up those 3 tennis balls, he gave the impression he was standing there at that time. If he was there why would a MW employee be taking photo's of Madeleine? She looks like she is facing someone she knows very well.

If the MW employee did have the original image, but no longer has it, how can anyone verify the full content of the original image?

Unknown said...

Stella,
The MW employee did not shoot the photograph.
He simply downloaded the photo, as a service to them and send it off to the press.
I guess everything was on the laptop and I am sure the PJ got hold of the laptop which belonged to MW club.

Wizard said...

Kate says Madeleine was difficult to manage and early on it was reported that she was seen slapping her in public (now all references of this removed) the crèche say Madeleine was shy and quite. Two different images of Madeleine which could both have been right imo. I know its been discussed before but if Madeleine had an autistic spectrum disorder it could well of been world war 2 at home but quite and withdrawn at nursery. This would not be unusual behaviour for a child with this disorder.

If we speculate and say Madeleine did have this disorder it would have been difficult behaviour to cope with given that the McCanns had two other young children needing attention to deal with as well. Madeleine would have had difficulty sleeping and as her parents were doctors I believe they did sedate her at night, no way could they have gone out and left her on her own she would have got up and tried to follow them. It is nonsense to suggest all 3 children would fall asleep every night at 7.00pm to order unless of course one or more were sedated.

If as reported Mrs Fenn contacted Warner staff regarding Madeleine screaming on the night of 1st May and the McCann had to be called back to attend their children. On the night of 2nd May this did not stop them going out again probably because they were sure they wouldn’t wake up this time. Remember there are no independent sightings of Madeleine on 3rd May.

Stella said...

Mariana

That is all very interesting, thank you for that information.

The question I would have is, if this was May 3rd, Gerry took the original photo, would he have been inclined to give his camera to a MW employee on the same day.

Realistically, in the days following Madeleine's disappearence, this would be the time to look for photo's at which time the PJ would have asked for their camera immediately. There would not have been the time to take the camera to a MW employee, not unless he needed to do so for a specific reason.

On what day do we think Gerry gave his camera to them? bearing in mind it took 3 weeks to release any photo, and how easy is it to manipulate a photo and store it back onto the camera?

Stella said...

Wizard, Hi

I am sure that Viv and Claudia have both said that the PJ have accounted for madeleine being alive on the afternoon of the 3rd. Even Goncalo said she had died on the 3rd.

Unknown said...

Stella
It is not known when the photo was shot.
The McCann's were asked to give photos of Madeleine.
It is not clear to me which was the exact date that MW employee downloaded the photos.
I would think on May 4.
They were distributing photos on the 4th.
It is the pool photo which was given to the press three weeks after the disappearance.

Wizard said...

Entering the discussion of photographs I think it’s been noted that in the recent photographs of Madeleine she has noticeable bags under her eyes whereas earlier ones do not. This could indicate heavy sleep or drugged induced sleep could cause very puffy eyes. As I’m not convinced children go to sleep to order this seems a possible cause for puffy eyes.

nancy said...

Gina -

Thanks for that funny and interesting news about your being not only an estate agent but an air traffic controller to boot!!

Perhaps you could direct one of your flights over the Sassy/Troll site and drop a few McCann balloons, and fill them with hot air because they must be running out of breath these days, they have so much to tell us!

Nancy x

Stella said...

Mariana

To me it looks like the tennis ball photo has been changed. Many years ago I used to work for a company linked to publishing and photographic reproduction and I learnt what to look out for. There is something very, very wrong with that photo.

It's good to know they were handing out photo's on the 4th. Again though, I'm really sorry about this, but the PJ would be the ones gathering and distributing photo's not the parents. Not unless once again they were very ahead of the game plan...

Wizard said...

Good Morning Stella,

Viv and Claudia I think are speculating that the pj have accounted for M during the day of 3rd May. This may well prove true; however, we are not privy to the pj’s files so we cannot know for certain this is the case.

The information that is in the public domain shows no independent sightings of M on 3rd May. This again may be misleading but is all we know for certain at this point.

Stella said...

Wizard

I have to admit in all the pictures of Madeleine her eyes are all quite different. As you say at times very puffy and dark. The eyes change shape with age which is why it is obvious that all the pictures we have been given are over a 6-12 month period and not in the same week.

Unknown said...

Stella
This is where I got my info from.

Times On Line - October 6, 2007

The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Alex Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. “I said to Kate, ‘Let’s try to identify pictures where her face is visible’. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.

Stella said...

Wizard

I have to admit it the early days on DE there was quite a revolution when the discussion of High Tea was brought up. Had she really been there, only the McCann's could have defended this, so to attack the way they did, were they actually showing signs of desperation to convince us otherwise? Maybe she wasn't there?

I know the night of the 2nd caused enourmous tensions, but I think the following night the 3rd, with "what shall we do" caused a greater scene that was more fatal. I believe in Goncalo that it was the 3rd and IMO it was between 5.30 and 6.00 pm.

Stella said...

Mariana

Is Alex Woolfall a MW empoyee? I have never heard of him before.

Unknown said...

Yes, Stella
He is an expert PR man, part of the MW emergency response team.

Stella said...

Mariana

Thank you. It is therefore quite possible sometime between Woolfall downloading the original image and transmitting it to London, something could have been changed. Not necessarily by Woolfall, but in London. By deleting the original shot, they might think no one would ever find out, but the experts can.

Will put my money on this photo being tampered with........

Unknown said...

Stella
What you are suggesting is next to impossible. It is beyond my thinking.
Too many handlers and journalists involved.
Remember the original download stayed in the laptop, which must have been examined by the PJ.

Wizard said...

Stella, I think it depends on what report you read. Nanny Pennington says Madeleine was there all day and she had tea with the McCanns and the 3 children. Another report by Pennington says the last time she saw them was lunch time.

Another report has the McCanns down on the beach with CCTV footage in the afternoon of Gerry dancing with Madeleine outside a café.

The last photograph of Madeleine was said by Gerry to be taken at 2.30 the same time M was apparently at the crèche. Kate tells us Madeleine had her first tennis lesson that day, nobody saw her at the tennis courts.

As far as we know no one has come forward and said at 5.30pm I saw Kate and Gerry leave the crèche with their 3 children and one of them was Madeleine.
So are any of these statements correct who knows?

I'm off for shopping and lunch now speak to you later.

Stella said...

Mariana

I will try to explain this a little better.

Let's just say the photo is not the original and that in the background Amelie is wearing pink. If there are other photo's to prove Amelie was wearing yellow on the 3rd, this photo could not have been taken that day, but another day. This is done to change time frames.

Now let's say Woolfall was "strongly encouraged" to use that photo, after all it is very cute and is one of Gerry's favourites. But Gerry noticing what Ameleie was wearing, he had to think very quickly on his feet and said to Woolfall something like, we need to remove Amelie from the background. Do you remember images of the other children were being blurred out for their own privacy.

Now Woolfall could have distributed that picture on the complete understanding that anyone in the background must be removed. All this because Gerry encouraged it, Woolfall none the wiser as to it's significance. So the image is sent to just one persons inbox with strict instructions, and they remove the background images and distribute it.

So who knows about this, Gerry, Woolfall and the receipient of the photo who worked on it. Woolfall is thinking how kind of Gerry to think about the other children. The guy who receives the image does what he is told to do and thinks no more of it than Woolfall did, to protect the best interest of the other children.

But, and here's the big but. Gerry had an ulterior motive and it was not in the best interest of the other children.

Only the PJ in the end will know if that image has been tampered with.

Unknown said...

Stella
Why not crop the image then?
The recipient was the PA.
When my kid was at that age, I remember changing clothes very-very often.
I don't know, you may be right.
I am more concerned with the fact that Woolfall, went to Portugal on the 5th, but photographs of Madeleine were being distributed in Portugal on the 4th.
The tennis court one, was not among them on the 4th.

Stella said...

Mariana
If that photo was not on the 4th, then it only add weight to it possibly being changed beforehand.

They would not be able to crop the image if Amelie or Sean was standing immediately behind Madeleine. The blurring is all around Madeleine, so whoever was removed was right behind her, IMO.

It was good chatting with you Mariana, I have to go for a while now, will be back later.

Cláudia said...

Viv and Claudia I think are speculating that the pj have accounted for M during the day of 3rd May. This may well prove true; however, we are not privy to the pj’s files so we cannot know for certain this is the case.


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Hi, Wizard and everybody. Hope you are all ok.
Viv and I may be speculating but Gonçalo Amaral certainly isn't and he was very clear, dead on the 3rd of May. Sadly.

Stella said...

Claudia

I agree, and I would also go as far as to say it happened between 6.00 and 6.30. Just before Gerry went for his "so called" third tennis lesson. Was the friend he asked to check on Kate an A&E Doctor by any chance?

Stella said...

David Payne is a cardiovascular specialist, so if Madeleine's heart had stopped you would be in no better hands....

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia

Well yes, agreeing with the officer who actually investigated the McCanns is not what could be termed speculation, really!

Hiya Mariana

You seem to have similar concerns to me, why is it the McCanns were immediately distributing OLD images of Madeleine, when she was much younger, looked happier and cuter etc, on the 4th May, like they already had them to hand. Why did they use these pictures as part of some so called worldwide campaign to find her when they do not even look like her. The wide eyed and posed shot with short bobbed reddish tinted hair for example does not look anything like Madeleine as she really was in the tennis balls pic. Why did they remove all these pictures from their webpage, bar the one where she is aged 3 I would say and the tennnis balls pic. Why did they produce a picture of her when she is quite obviously aged 3 not 4 and looks very different, three weeks later and say this was the last picture of her when it looks so different to how she really looks? On the basis of this and the wide eyed picture how could anyone of actually recognised her - the one where she looks the most attractive (wide eyed bobbed hair) is the one that got used on the posters..but it just does not look like her!

Why does Mr Woolfall report that downloading the pictures of Madeleine from their camera was such a difficult thing for them? Why would it be difficult to get UP TO DATE images of Madeleine to assist in the search for her?

Why does Madeleine look so terribly sad on the only picture released that seems to actually look like her, prior to the holiday. If you look on a link from their webpage it shows this picture was part of a video and Madeleine looks truly horrified. So am I..

I am sorry but the McCanns wanted to sell out of date and very posed, cute pictures of Madeleine..that is very sinister.

Stella said...

Viv

As you say what is the point of releasing photo's of Madeleine when she was much younger and looked quite different. No wonder there were so many different sightings all over the world. I would have thought by releasing so many different pictures, had she really been abducted they would have provided this person with an overnight photo album.

Joe said...

This in the Irish Independent today.
Gerry and Kate McCann's spokesperson Clarence Mitchell said the family believes the decision of Alipio Ribeiro to leave his post as national director of the Policia Judiciaria and his subsequent comments that the case may never be solved, could signal the end of the year-long probe into the toddler's disappearance.

Speaking to the Irish Independent in Dublin yesterday where he was a keynote speaker at the Public Relations Institute of Ireland's (PRII) annual conference, the former BBC journalist and British government spokesman said: "There have been various remarks made by Mr Ribeiro and others suggesting they may be coming to the end of the process.

"If they are going to shelve the case -- and if Mr Ribeiro's recent interview is effectively hinting at that -- then in one sense we welcome it because it means that Kate and Gerry will be eliminated from the inquiry.

"But equally, what does that mean? Does that mean all the information the police have just sits on a shelf? That's untenable. They have to release the information in their files to our private investigators so they can continue to look for Madeleine."

Despite the passing last week of the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, the McCanns still believe their daughter is alive and they continue to be buoyed by the huge outpouring of support coming from Ireland, he added.

"Every message we get has been incredibly supportive because of the Donegal connection." Madeleine visited her grandparents in Bundoran on family holiday visiting before her disappearance on May 3, 2007.

"Many of their letters are from Ireland. They get rosary beads sent to them, people praying for them. They've got a real sense the wider Irish Catholic community is really behind them and that counts for so much. It really does give them a boost," he said. "Consistently the Irish support level is there."

Negative

He spoke of how the initial tide of negative publicity surrounding the McCanns was eventually turned in their favour following a successful libel action against the Express Group newspapers in the UK that he said was embroiled in "a huge spin cycle of nonsense" with some of the Portuguese tabloid media.

On the whole, the coverage of Madeleine's disappearance in the Irish media was much more responsible and balanced than in the UK or elsewhere, he said yesterday.

He also credited the internet with being the single most effective tool in the entire campaign.

"It was access to the internet that gave us a boost," he said in his speech on public relations crisis management.

The Find Madeleine website set up by the McCanns has been instrumental in the campaign.

- Allison Bray

nancy said...

Hi everyone -

Have any other witnesses come forward to say they saw Maddie on the 3rd and at what time? I know Charlotte Pennington claimed that she did. What about the tapas 7?

I tend to think there were three scenarios about what could have happened to poor Madeleine.

1. While Gerry was playing tennis, Kate was at home dealing with the three children and trying to get them bathed and ready for bed, and perhaps Madeleine was playing up so badly that Kate lost her temper remembering how Madeleine had cried the night before leading to them having to leave their friends earlier than they wanted. (Remember Gerry said he had asked one of the tapas chaps to look in on Kate to see if she was alright -that could have been a red herring of course!)

But this is what I think most likely happened:

2. The children were all given sedatives after their baths to enable the McCanns to go out for the evening without disruption like the night before and Madeleine (accidentally) was given a fatal overdose!.

3. Maybe K&G and the tapas 7 were all telling lies when they said how often they checked on their respective children, (to save their necks) and it was much less than they led everyone to believe. In that case, then it is feasible that someone could have abducted Maddie as the door was left open and they couldn't see a thing from their seats at the tapas bar remember. However, the forensic and cadaver dogs' evidence rules that one out!

I may be completely wrong in all of those three theories, but just what else could have happened? No predator could have got away with Madeleine in the very short time supposedly left to him in between the checks, even though Kate insists there was that small window of opportunity!

No wonder this case is being disected all over the world! I just wish the PJ's would come up with some answers soon, but I know we have to wait for the reconstruction before it can move on. I hope the McCanns will do the right thing and go to PdeL to take part! I can't somehow see it happening though unless they have a complete change of heart!

Nx

Joe said...

If they still believe Madeline was kidnapped and the K&G are going to be eliminated then why not return to PDL. Actions speak louder than words.

nancy said...

So Cameron Mitchell is on his pedestal again - in Ireland this time. I hope he is soon eating his words and the PJ's nail him to the floor with their final prognosis on this case. What a creep this man is - just as long as he can keep on raking in the money from personal appearances, he has no scruples about taking money under false pretences.

Instead of spending money on CM and the Metodo 3 the McCanns should be using it to actively look for Madeleine if they are so convinced she is still out there somewhere.

And just what makes Gerry and Kate and CM still feel that Madeleine is still alive and out there? Do they have some sort of proof - or do they really know where she is and are waiting for the right time to let her back into the world she was taken from? I doubt that very much but you would get that impression by the way they and CM go on about Madeleine still being alive.

All their money, fame and offers of rewards to a would be predator have done not one iota of good in finding her so far!! In my opinion they all just want to keep up the publicity so the three of them can earn as much money as possible while the going is good! Let's hope that in a short time their pot of gold come to a resounding halt!!

Unknown said...

Hiya Nancy

I think that is a very accurate reflection of the three possible scenarios as to what could have happened to Madeleine. Perhaps one of the real difficulties is the finding of blood tends to militate against the sedative hypothesis, but it is clearly possible Madeleine was assaulted by one of them at an earlier stage and this explains the blood. However, that is odd, because the smell of her corpse was found behind the sofa, in the same region that blood was found. I think Madeleine was in real fear in connection with bedtime but there were witness reports that on a previous night she ran away along the pathways and hid from Kate for about 30 minutes. That is just not normal is it. If David Payne is to be believed Madeleine was getting dumped in bed even at 6.30 p.m. In short she was dumped all day, they pick her up from creche at about 5 pm and immediately prepare to dump her again.

This piece from McCann files is very helpful about David Payne, he is not a practitioner but a scientific researcher and says Madeleine was being put to bed at 6.30 together with his assistance in the campaign and some very strange and angry comments. How secure was his future if he did not even have a proper contract with Leicester University?

David Payne, husband of Dr Fiona Payne, does not appear to have taken part in any of the alleged checks on the night of May 3rd. It is believed that the Payne's were the only parents using a listening device to check on their children.

It is reported that Mr Payne was playing in a tennis competition, which included Gerry, on the early evening of May 3rd. It is alleged that when he had been eliminated from the competition, Gerry asked him to pop into their apartment and check on Kate. Reports state that Mr Payne saw Madeleine being put to bed, by Kate, at 6.30pm. If true, this would make David Payne the last 'independent' witness to see Madeleine before her disappearance.

Commenting on the fact that the McCanns had been made offical suspects, he said: "We know they didn't do it. One of our party saw Madeleine being abducted. We were waiting for something to happen but didn't in our worst nightmare think it would be this."

Mr Payne is a Senior Research Fellow in cardiovascular sciences at Leicester University. This is not a permanent position, normally expected to last for 5/6 years, after which he can apply for consultant positions.

He helped run the 'Find Madeleine' campaign after May 3.

When contacted by Portuguese newspaper, Sol, David Payne said: "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else's business."

Minutes after trying to contact Kate, Gerry, in a fury, called the Sol journalist: "What do you think you are doing? Do you think you’re better than the Portuguese police? I’m going to forward your contact to PJ and you will have to explain yourselves."

dolores said...

Nancy /Joe
CM is a pink fool,it's more propoganda,and wishful thinking on his part.

Unknown said...

Hi Viv

Well said.
I would think that the older pictures came through a pc via their relatives in the UK.
It will be peculiar, to say the least, if they had the older pictures with them in Portugal.
Some photos were distributed by the Foreign Office.
At 22:00 GM called Alistair Clark, who started the ball rolling with the press, hence the first online media report The Telegraph at 12:01 May 4, 1997.
From 21:30 to 23:40 on May 3rd, GM send and received 14 text messages.

Would you be sitting around sending messages if you had just realised your child is missing?
I wouldn't have.
I would be roaming the area.

Unknown said...

Sorry I meant May 4, 2007.

Stella said...

Nancy

This is my theory.

Evidence points to a brutal end for Madeleine. Keela found blood spray from a broken larynx. Goncalo said she died that night. Not that day, or afternoon.

They cancelled the babysitter just after 6, they had an enourmous argument about using a sedative, Gerry said yes, Kate said no, fists flew, Madeleine got caught in the crossfire. Gerry went for help (oops tennis lesson), Payne tried to resuscitate (oops checked on Kate). Then the cover up began.

dolores said...

Daily Star
1st October 2007
By Jerry Lawton

Madeleine McCann died after tumbling down steps outside her family’s holiday apartment, a team of British police claim.

They think she stumbled and cracked her head on the floor after waking up and looking for her missing parents.


That is the shock judgement of Brit officers brought in to search the family’s apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, with sniffer dogs specially-trained to detect blood and death.


Last night it was alleged that it was UK detectives – and not their Portuguese counterparts – who first raised suspicions about the possible involvement of Madeleine’s parents.


And after their report last week, Portuguese detectives are said to be “100% certain’’ the four-year-old died at her family’s Algarve flat on May 3.

Unknown said...

Hiya Mariana

It is this mindset they portrayed in the media, isn't it, that they immediately knew for absolute certain that Madeleine had been abducted. That just makes them so impossible to believe..particularly when you consider what they were saying to Mr Woolfall. Clearly any parent who left their child unattended, apparently even with the door open would just have to consider that she wandered off and they were quite reasonably having to accept this when discussing matters with Mr Woolfall but then go into the media saying just the opposite.

Any normal parent would be hyped up with adrenalin and wanting to rush out and rescue their child. We see animals on TV do this e.g. female tiger who lost one of her cubs etc, it is just instinct but Kate had to concede in the first interview for the BBC with Jane Hill, no we did not go out looking for her as such but we were working very hard trying to get her back, what by getting together out of date cutesy looking pictures? When someone does the complete opposite to what instinct tells them to do, cold calculation has taken over, this couple have not displayed any normal love and concern for Madeleine whatsoever. They were so sure they could convince the police and the general public that Madeleine had been abducted they never even bothered to go out looking for her until 6 am apparently..with the pool, the sea, the open drains, the prospect of a wandering paedophile, what normal parent would wait several hours and then make a show of looking...they had to sit plotting with the Paynes first and no doubt the idea came well we better at least give the show we are looking for her, but in reality they would not have waited 25 days to hire a car, would they?

WE now know from the cook all the locals were out looking and were very upset the parents did not even bother. We also know the PJ immediately took the apartment over as a crime scene and moved the McCanns out but they wanted to go and sit with the Paynes. We also know Mr Wilkins got a bang on the door at 1 am to say Madeleine had been abducted but there was no point in searching for her, then why wake him up, the reasons are more than obvious IMO.

ratonthebeam said...

Downloading photos from a camera is NOT a big deal. You take the card out and stick it in a slot on the laptop!

I cannot understand WHY such a big deal is being made out of this.

And yes, the Tennis Court photo has been doctored with a smudge tool. You even get the software for free when you buy the camera. :-(

Unknown said...

Hiya Joe

I wonder if you could just clear up a few things I am not really clear on. I will tell you what I think and then please let me know whether this is right.

Gerry comes from a family who are from Southern Ireland, catholics. His parents moved to Scotland and that is where he was born but now his parents are back in Southern Ireland..if that is right do you know when they moved back? Newspapers I have read from Northern Ireland have certainly not been pro-McCann, is this becoming a sectarian issue, do you think? Does Pink move over there because there is such religious division and he can whip up support from catholics?

Stella said...

Rat

I am glad you agree with that really badly done photo. In my opinion this was done by an amateur like Gerry or Woolfall, not by someone at the Press Association trying to improve the picture.

Unknown said...

Stella

You have mentioned blood spray from a broken larynx and also suggested Woolfall has been party to doctoring pictures. Please be careful what you say. I think these two are no go areas. There is no evidence at all to suggest Mr Woolfall has done anything wrong IMO, he is perfectly entitled to state in his opinion the McCanns are innocent, even if he does not believe it, that is called spin!

Thanks

Viv x

Stella said...

Viv

Apologies, point taken.

Unknown said...

Hiya ROB

On the picture I have of the tennis balls pic it clearly looks like bruising to Madeleine's wrist but on the one on their webpage it just looks angry red, is this what you mean by doctored with a smudge?

Thanks
Viv x

Unknown said...

Thanks for understanding, Stella.


Viv x

nancy said...

Dolores -

It's a possibility that the UK detectives are right, because I think anyone whose child (of almost 4years) went missing would straight away think she or he had wandered off. It's the normal reaction. And the parents wouldn't want to be seen as covering that up so they would work out the time checks to suit themselves.

However, I think that children are much more flexible when they fall from something, be it down steps, down stairs, or from a fairly high place, because they are so relaxed and just like a drunk would do, they fall in a much safer way than an older or sober person would.

If a child was thrown down steps or from a height however, then that would be much more harmful because of the impact of being thrown.

Nx

ratonthebeam said...

Two points. Gerry's parents still live in Glasgow, although they moved from Govanhill to Newlands.

A smudge tool is used when something is cut or pasted into a photo - you use the smudger over the hard joins to literally "smudge" the pieces together, to make it look more natural. It's a very basic photoshopping tool and even the free software you get with the camera, usually has one.

ratonthebeam said...

Stella, my prime suspects for The Smugder are Gerry, Callum or Jon Corner :)

Unknown said...

Hiya ROB

Thanks for information about where Gerry's parents are and a smudger tool:-)

Technology, Gerry thought it was a gift from one God to another, but I think it is a gift to police officers and the FSS who obviously know a lot more about it than I do:-)))))) I read that the more up to date a mobile phone is the more police like it, so nice one Gerry and happy texting..I wonder if he still carries a mobile with him everywhere he goes, I know he got a bit paranoid about using one, what a clever boy..

LittleGreyCell said...

Afternoon,

I'm sure Gerry carries a mobile with him, Viv, to receive constant calls from GMTV, the Pope and Elton John, but he's probably not too bothered about wearing a watch...

:)

Unknown said...

Hiya LGC

Maybe he smashed his watch in a fit of temper. Do you think he gets regular text updates from The Pope and could Elton be his new mega buck benefactor?

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys.
Was busy with a post.
The pros found out Gonçalo Amaral, Almeida Rodrigues and myself are from Viseu. :-)
That will entertain them for a few days, hopefully! :-)

LittleGreyCell said...

Viv,

For some inexplicable reason I had a dream about Elton the other night...should have asked him about Gerry, shouldn't I?!

LittleGreyCell said...

Claudia,

So do you have a moustache today, then?

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia

How the "plot" must thicken for them, just like their brains..I read their site and I just do not know what to say other than one of them did at least admit she does not understand the law and not much else either!

Lovely to see you hun x

Cláudia said...

LGC, sorry, no.
And Gonçalo Amaral dropped his. And Almeida Rodrigues had one for many years but shaved it a long time ago! :-)

Unknown said...

Hiya LGC

Well yes I think you should have asked Elton because you can bet along with JK Rowling, Beckham etc, he got pestered..funny thing is though I can just imagine, as a former good friend of Princess Di, and from what we know about him generally what he may have oh so politely told them to do!

Unknown said...

Claudia

I think Goncalo looks even lovelier without his moustache although I know it did things for you!

Cláudia said...

Viv, yep, the plot thickens.
I actually don't know where that was written. A friend copy pasted and e-mailed me a comment from one of the child neglecters' defenders where he brilliantly stated that I also was from Viseu, just like Almeida Rodrigues. I'm not sure if they know Gonçalo Amaral is also from here!

Great to "see" you too, darling!

Unknown said...

Claudia

I have just read your post. Good one. I understand that Joana's mum did not call the police until 2 days later. Caring mum.

LittleGreyCell said...

Claudia,

This leads me to believe they were all sharing the same moustache...

Cláudia said...

Viv, I had already forgotten about our crazy conversation regarding the moustache! lolololololol

nancy said...

Viv -

David Payne sounds a bit of a pompous prat if you ask me! Like he has a very high opinion of himself! He and Fiona may have used a child alarm, but they are still fortunate their children were safe, even if they did use a child alarm, considering they think someone abducted Madeleine.

And just what does he mean when he states that he knows they didn't do IT!! Why the IT! I'm surprised no one on the media has picked him up on that!

What with the other pal, Matthew Oldfield, not bothering to look into the apartment to check on the children that night either - I wonder why??

And O'Brien with his story of a sick child and needing to change the sheets - which sheets were never handed out to them!

What a useless, child neglecting bunch they've all turned out to be!

The reason the overdose theory tends to draw me and to think that was what happened is because the McCanns refused point blank to let the twins have their hair tested for drugs if you remember. Why would they object if they had nothing to fear!

A bit like the lie detector test they asked to be brought on and then they chickened out when offered it.

And if Madeleine ran away at bedtime previously to hide from Kate, it could be that she hated taking the stuff! Also the twins didn't wake up when all that commotion with people coming and going through the apartment is another factor! blood specks, as you say, could have been from a previous accident to one of the children. The scent that the cadaver dogs picked up from behind the settee also points to the scenario that Madeleine died in the apartment.

It seems then that Payne was the last person, beside the parents, to see Madeleine alive that day. The trouble is we only have his word for it - he could have walked into a bubbling cauldron when he looked in to see if Kate was alright for all we know!

By the sound of it though neither he or the other tapas pals are going to put a foot wrong to upset the McCanns because they are either scared to rock the boat or have far too much to lose if they have been found to be twisting the truth.

It could be though that one or the other will crack one of these days and finally spill the beans, especially if one of them decide, perhaps after a break up from a partner or something, that they'd like some money and write a 'tell it all' story for the media! They must all be itching to earn some money out of all this like the McCanns are don't you think?

Joe said...

Hi Viv,

According to Irish Indo last week or so GM mother and father moved back to Donegal when I cannot say. I do not think it is a sectarian issue at all, it is the BS that people can smell and there is plenty of that in Ireland. Mitchell was here at a media conference and was asked on a talk show. Ireland is no Mecca for the McCanns contrary to what Mitchell spins. I will try and find more about GM parents move if I can.

Cláudia said...

Mariana, thank you. And she contacted the police two days later because the neighbours were starting to talk and pressuring her. That woman who treated her daughter like garbage and who killed her along with her brother/lover is a monster, a nature's terrible mistake. I'm against the death penalty, generally speaking, but sometimes I think I could open a few exceptions.


LCG, Yes, I also find that very suspicious! :-)

Unknown said...

Well you know Hun Rosiepopas is bound to use his/her incredible skills from her dream and visions to figure out you all come from Portugal and as LGC points out all share the same moustache, now you cannot blame her for thinking there is something going on here!

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Cláudia said...

Darling, it was bad enough the three of us come from Portugal. But actually coming from Viseu? :-)

Unknown said...

Claudia

May I suggest that you post a little precis about this whole sorry story?
Let people see who these morons support.

Unknown said...

Hiya, yes the McCanns used their degree level education and contacted the police only about four hours later, not two days later, so this is of course why they are completely innocent, they rushed to get help didn't they?

Unknown said...

I know Claudia, all come from Viseu, this really does add the certainty to Rosiepopas dreams and visions. Why it is just like dear old Grandma Cooper, oh sorry whoops she is only 50, you know she sees a charity collector walking in the beach in the rain and then he even has the cheek to come and knock at her door..so yes there was something very evil going on here, he came back two weeks later and stole Madeleine, now that is very obvious isn't it. And, the fantastic Metodo 3 probably got this information, so yes, as Clarence says operationally, the quality of their investigative work has been so excellant they are worth every penny they extorted oh I mean got paid from the Find Madeleine Media Fund.

Unknown said...

Viv
They are so polite, they did not wish to rush the "abductor".

nancy said...

Claudia -

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I would gladly execute the parents who so cold bloodedly killed little Joana. The bible says !an eye for an eye' and I believe that is right. I know it also says 'turn the other cheek', but to me that smacks of cowardice, so I'll go for the first option!

If someone killed my child I would hunt them down to my last breath and if I found them and had a gun on me there is no way they would end up in prison! Even though there are those who say that they suffer more in prison, there is still the chance they may escape, and many have to repeat their heinous crimes!

I'm sorry if that upsets anyone but that is my opinion for what it is worth.

Off now to do some late shopping - see you all later!


Nancy x

Joe said...

Viv,

I found this piece re Gerry's mother which means she lives in Donegal I presume.


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/maddy-relatives-pub-ransacked-1321171.html

Unknown said...

Hiya Nancy

I remember a German case many years ago, on memory the man raped and murdered her daughter. She walked into the court room and shot him dead. I could completely understand why and was one of those members of the public who at the time thought she should not be punished for this.

Unknown said...

Hiya Joe

So are Gerry's parents estranged one in Scotland and one in Ireland or is his father dead?

Viv x

Unknown said...

Sorry Joe it would have helped if I had read your link first:


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By Anita Guidera


Wednesday March 19 2008

THE pub owned by the grandmother of Madeleine McCann was broken into and ransacked just after she visited the area at the weekend.

In the early hours of St Patrick's Day morning, thieves rammed the back door of the McCann pub in the village of St Johnston, Co Donegal, with a car before tearing it apart inside and making away with almost its entire stock of alcohol.

On Saturday, Eileen McCann and her daughters visited the village of St Johnston for the third anniversary Mass of her late husband, Johnny.

But her son Gerry, father of missing toddler Madeleine, did not make it to the family event.

McCann's bar, leased by local man Joe Peoples, played host to the McCanns almost a year ago.

"She (Madeleine) was a wee dote. It's hard to believe what has happened since then," Mr Peoples said.

- Anita Guidera

Unknown said...

Gerry does not seem to be troubled about attending events to remember his dead close relatives does he, father or daughter?

Unknown said...

Mariana said

Viv
They are so polite, they did not wish to rush the "abductor".


~Viv says: they know now, that in a abduction there is the golden hour when police must rush to get after the abductor and try and recover the child, they have told us lots about this..As you say the McCanns are such nice people they wanted to give him a golden four hoursxx

Unknown said...

Viv
It just occurred to me.
Do you think someone or them could have commissioned a public opinion survey to read the mood of the public?

Cláudia said...

nancy, I perfectly understand what you say. Sometimes I also feel like opening some exceptions to my no to death penalty rule.

Mariana, one of these days, when I have a little more free time, I will. This last post is intended to expose the morons who defend them. The defended morons will also have their chance! :-)

Cláudia said...

Viv, darling, didn't I say that they should believe me when I assured that the message on the McCann Files was really from Gonçalo? There is something about people from Viseu. ;-)

ratonthebeam said...

Sorry folks, my mistake, Johnny McCann is indeed deceased, and I think I said "parents" earlier. But I still think Granny McCann lives in Newlands, althouh she may well own a pub in Donegal :-?

dolores said...

Daily Express 10/8/08

Richard and Judy

Racial hatred is rife !!
How do they get this tripe being printed,I see now it has been pulled.They are a disgrace.
My advice to you R & J if you or anyone else want to neglect your children you are wise to keep away,who needs people like you in any holiday resort.


AVOID AN ALGARVE OUTRAGE

I have no idea if Eamon and Antoinette McGucklin, while holidaying
in Vilamoura in the Algarve, really did drink themselves into such
a stupor that their three young children had to be taken to a refuge centre
over night, or if, as they claim, their drinks had been tampered with.
I do know that the Portuguese press trumpets this kind of story at
its peril.
Obviously still smarting at the completely botched inquiry into
Madeleine McCann’s disappearance it can’t resist crowing at
yet another British family whom it accuses of behaving irresponsibly
and neglecting their children.
The McGucklins are, according to those who know them, extremely
attentive parents who would never put their children at risk.
Who knows the truth? But this new allegation of parental neglect
must surely damage the Algarve’s reputation as a tourist resort
still further. If I had young children I would not holiday there
for all the tea in China. There is something I don’t like in their
attitude to British families. I’d stay well clear.

Last edited by orthon7 on Sat May 10, 2008 2:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

ratonthebeam said...

Well, who wants to take the word of a couple of old alkies who shoplift wine from supermarkets? I should think that the Portuguese are very grateful that they have decided to "stay well clear" :)

nancy said...

Viv -

I would have done exactly the same in that woman's place! Some people deserve no mercy!

I would only have one problem - I could never shoot straight in a million years and would probably have shot the poor Judge!


Nx

nancy said...

Dolores and Rat -

Was the article by the McCann sycophantics Richard and Judy in the Express today? Only you typed 10/08/08? I looked for it in the Express but I couldn't see it.

I agree Rat, who cares what a couple of 'old alkies' and 'has beens' have to say. They have been spouting off support for the McCanns since Madeleine disappeared - they'll jump on any publicity wagon those two! I'm sure one of them writes on Sassy's blog because it sounds just like something one of her clan would say! Never once do they mention Madeleine of course!

Nx

ratonthebeam said...

Nancy, it was in the DX earlier today, but got whipped off again, it's not there now. Like I said, I'm sure that all Portuguese bars, holiday complexes and supermarkets are breathing huge sighs of relief even as we speak! :)

dolores said...

Nancy
Sorry about that (a mad moment}I was thinking of August before that,being our wedding anniversary and my husbands birthday a week after,and what to buy him....
It was in fact today's date 10/5/08

X D

dolores said...

ROTB
What I don't understand is why DX print this or any other racial articles then pull it.
Do they not approve what can be printed before publication?

X D

ratonthebeam said...

Obviously not, Dolores! They've done this a few times now.

Big L's kids clubbed together and got him a Wii for his 50th, and he loves it! Just an ides :-)

dolores said...

ROTB
I don't know enough abot Wii I will have allok on the internet and read up about it.Thanks.
X D

mandarinn said...

Good evening all
I read in DM , when the ierish couple return home, that they was not drunk, tjey was ill because someone on the bar druged their drinks (they only drunk a beer!!!!).Because of that they feel outraged. In Portugal people who deal with them after it say they look ashamed.
I'm sure the hospital that attended them took analises....

dolores said...

ROTB
Iam really away with it on the typo's.....loool,need to give my brain a rest.
X D

Joe said...

The McGuckins, the Northern Irish couple did not have a leg to stand on between them, literally legless. So they trot out a pathetic childish excuse " someone drugged our drinks".
Pathetic and the hoof it like the McCanns.

lizzy said...

HI Viv/ALL
I know Goncalo Amaral said that Maddie died on the 3rd May, but if that was anytime after midnight on the 2nd, it would count as the 3rd being date of death.
I believe there is a possibility as cleaners were allegedly turned away morning of the 3rd that this might have been the time....Just my opinion though..Lizzy

dolores said...

Joe,
Exactly,and like the Mc's they need a scapegoat.
Richard & Judy above saying they are extremely attentive parents like the Mc's !!
Is that their perception of attentive,leaving babies alone to drink yourself legless.How can they expect anyone to believe the British people are responsible parents when people like R&J see no wrong in what these parents are NOT doing in that their needs come first,before the children.
If their 1 yr old choked for example, they would never have been able to find their way back to their room.

mandarinn said...

Dolores
the 3 children was with them. I think they just lost control when drink.
The day after when they went to take their children they look ashamed and it was said the children was well cared.I feel sorry about the children, the oldest (six year ) when the staf was speaking with him had tears in his eyes... he seem
understand something was very wrong.
After come back home thry try to clear themselves...

Joe said...

Dolores,

Richard and Judy more like the puppets Punch and Judy. They look like they are permanently plastered, and one would need to be to listen to them.

dolores said...

Mandarin
Thank you,in one paper I read they were alone in the bedroom.

mandarinn said...

In a certain way they were lucky, because if they had collapsed in the street instead of in the hotel loung, the 3 children will stay alone.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, everybody.
Sleep well.

Unknown said...

Goodnight querida Claudia and everyone

Luv Viv x

dolores said...

Maddie: parents would be happy if the trial is archived

Clarence Mitchell, responsible for communication which represents Kate and Gerry McCann, was congratulée yesterday about a possible opportunity that the Portuguese authorities decided to archive the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine.

The former head of the Unit for Media Monitoring of the British government, with whom he maintained close relations in the file McCann, spoke yesterday in Dublin during the annual conference of the Public Relations Institute of Ireland (PRII ) Or he was the main speaker.
"If they will archive the case, then, in a sense this would be welcome, because it would mean that Kate and Gerry would be eliminated from the investigation," said Clarence Mitchell.

" The new statements by Clarence Mitchell were greeted with surprise in Portugal because, according to a source of the Public Ministry, "there is no intention of the Portuguese authorities to abandon the investigation. Let us not forget that the primary objective of the work the police is to find Madeleine, is she the victim. "

According to Clarence Mitchell, the McCann family considers the resignation of Alipio Ribeiro of the PJ and his comments about the survey as a sign of the disappearance of Madeleine will never be solved.The spokesman also appealed to the authorities in charge of the survey asking them to "restore their case to private investigators."

As a reminder, the Judicial Police, Portugal, and Leicestershire Police, the United Kingdom, are responsible for investigations in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Several other police forces, particularly in Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium and Morocco, not to mention Interpol, have been linked to the investigation.

"This is unsustainable. They should provide information on their files to our private investigators so they can continue to find Madeleine," said Clarence Mitchell.

The agency Barcelona, Metodo 3, after more than six months of investigations, been undermined by public statements by its director, Francisco Marco, who had promised the return of Madeleine "in time for the feast of Christmas" 2007. The arrest of one of the detectives, accused of stealing hundreds of kilos of cocaine, among other charges, and the revelation that there would have been paid witnesses in Morocco, have disparaged even more image Metodo 3.

ta ra said...

Good Evening All.
For what it's worth, I would just like to say that Wizard is right, again. There is no independent sighting of Madeleine on May 3rd. Anytime after 12 midnight is May 3rd. IMO, Madeleine died on May 3rd. This case is now about assembling enough evidence (information?) for court. It is also about wrongdoers and their hired hands trying to escape court.

Court waits them. Criminal court. Libel court. Frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn.

Justice for Madeleine Beth McCann, dead aged 3, the beloved sister of Sean and Amelie, the daughter of loving, flawed parents.

HONEST JOE: Ireland tolerates the McCanns, their kin folk. The Church awaits their honest confession.

Every saint has a past. Every sinner has a future.

That is understood by true Believers. The McCanns must decide who they are; what they are. True believers or cynics?

Their hired hand bore Clarence Mitchell harms their case, imo.

Father Pacheco is the man they should have respected, and trusted in the best interests of their immortal souls.

Just a few thoughts.

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