25 May 2008

TAPAS ONLY CHECKED APT 5A ON 3 MAY!

If looks alone could kill, this one would surely do it! I think it says you put me here and I really dont like you..
I will never forget a post made by Rosiepops in about October on the Daily Express. She said that the McCanns had to immediately patent Madeleine's image, just like they had to immediately patent Princess Diana's image, after her death, because they did not want people using Madeleine's image to be used to produce "Madeleine dolls" and stopping the money from going to the Fund, Kate and Gerry McCann's fund. Clarence, on their behalf has angrily defended their right to ensure that all Maddie profits go to them and the comparison with the Fund for Princess Diana is utterly sinister, especially when you look at sickening Kate McCann, below, doing a Princess Diana, she soils the memory of a wonderful woman, who was genuinely devoted to defenceless little children.




Hi All, The article below from The Times follows the assumption that all of the friends children were in the McCann apartment that night. This is taken from 24 Horas, a paper I simply do not trust. When you read it, the assumption comes from the fact that all witnesses independent of the TAPAS crew stated that only the McCanns apartment was visited by any of the TAPAS crew that night.






I think the explanation for this is clear and simple. The TAPAS crew simply did not bother about checking on their children. We know that from the fact they were at Chaplins the previous night and Madeleine cried from about 10.30 to 11.45, well over an hour, when clearly she was not checked.






The reason witnesses saw members of the TAPAS crew visit the McCanns apartment that night is because they were assisting in cleaning and removing Madeleine's body from the apartment. It is also confirmed again, Kate and Gerry did not go out at about 8.30 or 8.40 as he suggested in Panorama, they went out at 8 pm and as he said the restaurant was virtually empty at that stage, because it was early, I would suggest. Remember he said there was one other couple when they arrived and when they left they were alone until other people started to arrive.






I think Gerry needed to get Kate out that apartment as quickly as possible (for obvious reasons) and start preparations for the clean up. OB was the main one who was going to help out here, going missing just as Gerry made sure he was back at the table at 9.30 and called the woman over to prove it. By this stage Gerry had an hour and a half to start putting his plans into action and when OB took over he was exchanging texts with him. Someone saw someone looking like Gerry with a child, near the church around 9 pm. The description of the man Jane Tanner gave to police is a description of Gerry McCann. I think he knew someone had spotted him removing Madeleine, initially to the beach area.






Remember also forensic evidence of Madeleine was found in another apartment, I would suggest, probably the OB's right next door. Perhaps the body was initially moved there, perhaps OB was working on Maddie trying to save her? He is an accident and emergency consultant, an obvious expert to work on a child who got battered or overdosed.






As Eco points out the genuine last pic of Madeleine, the tennis balls pic, shows her with many bruises and she just looks like an abused child to me in that pic, this is why the McCanns did not want to use it. Gerry went home for two days and three weeks later produced a fake last pic of Maddie by the pool. Anyone can see she is aged about three on that pic, not four and her hair is blonder and shorter. I have always believed it is very possible that he and Jane heard more commotion, domestic violence, as happened the previous night, which Mrs Fenn heard and went around to see what was going on and found Madeleine dying. OB tried to save her and that is how he got dragged in. Jane also got dragged in providing false evidence of Madeleine being abducted.






I was interested to read that Dr Rebelo is the man who cracked the Casa Pia paedophile ring in Portugal and then he is brough in to investigate this case. Something tells me there is a link here. I think Madeleine was a seriously abused child. People who have sought to support the McCanns have made the most scurrilous and lurid claims about Madeleine being taken and abused by paedophiles. I just get this awful feeling they were seeking to deflect attention from what the McCanns themselves may have been involved in, in relation to a daughter they showed not the slightest bit of love and concern for, ever but I may be wrong about this. I just think there is so much about this case we do not know and there are terrible revelations to come out. The McCanns have always wanted to use Madeleine to make themselves lots of money, that is very sinister and terrible and certainly does not point to her being accidentally killed by them. However, I do understand the difficulty for Portuguese and British Police, the vital piece of evidence little Madeleine, they got rid of, but little forensic traces of her got left behind. True the police may never be able to prove murder or manslaughter but I definitely feel they can prove more than enough to put this couple away for a very long time and the twins will be accommodated with people they can be safe with. Sometimes it is only one child in a family however who is in real and terrible danger from the parents, that child was poor little Madeleine. Nevertheless their defensive behaviour and their attitudes together with what they actually did, mean they should not be allowed to be anywhere near those twins. In a few months time, I think they will not be anymore.






Viv x















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3D model 'casts doubt on Madeleine abduction'
Significant new evidence about the night Madeleine McCann disappeared has been uncovered, it was claimed, as one of Portugal’s most senior detectives took charge of the investigation.
Paulo Rebelo, an assistant national director of the Polícia Judiciária (PJ), took over responsibility for the case last night. He made his name in the investigation into Portugal’s most notorious paedophile ring.
His appointment was made amid reports in Portugal that detectives have evidence contradicting Kate and Gerry McCann's version of the events of the night that they reported their daughter missing.
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Police believe that Madeleine and her twin brother and sister may not have been alone in the McCann holiday apartment, but that the children of seven British friends who were on holiday with the McCanns were also present when Madeleine disappeared on May 3, the 24 Horas newspaper claimed.
The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, have insisted that Madeleine was with only her two-year-old twin siblings, Sean and Amelie, while they dined with their friends at a tapas restaurant at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz. The group has claimed that their children were in their own apartments and that they made checks on their own children and those of their friends during the evening.
However, a source within the investigation was quoted by 24 Horas as saying: “It’s not only the collected evidence that points to the fact that there were more children inside that [the McCanns'] apartment.
“Evidence also exists, following the interrogations to the other people who that were at the Ocean Club, that only the McCanns’ apartment was visited by the people who attended the dinner.”
The children had visited each other’s apartments regularly in the six days that they had been at the Ocean Club. The newspaper does not explain how any forensic evidence could be pinpointed to the evening of Madeleine’s disappearance.
The newspaper also casts doubt on claims by one of the McCanns’ friends that he was looking after his unwell daughter when he was away from the restaurant on the evening Madeleine disappeared.
It says that Russell O’Brien, a hospital consultant from Exeter, left the restaurant at 9.35pm and returned at 10pm, just minutes before Mrs McCann discovered that Madeleine was missing. Mr O’Brien has strenuously denied any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and has never been a formal suspect in the investigation.
24 Horas reported: “The British man guaranteed he took that long because he visited his sick daughter, and she vomited. He says he asked for the sheets to be changed, but the staff at the Ocean Club assured the investigators that nobody asked for any bedsheets to be changed that evening.”







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Mr O’Brien’s partner, Jane Tanner, told police that she had seen a man carrying a girl away from the McCanns’ apartment at 9.15pm. However, another witness has insisted that she was not in the area at that time.
A source within the PJ is quoted by 24 Horas as saying: “In face of so many contradictions and in face of the forensics results that we already hold, we have very few doubts that the girl died inside that apartment, and we only have doubts about who concealed the corpse.”
The report follows claims in the British media that although tests on samples discovered in the McCanns’ apartment and hire car do not prove that Madeleine is dead, they have strengthened the theory that her parents were involved in her disappearance.
A source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which carried out the tests on behalf of the Portuguese authorities, is reported to have said that the results showed police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects.
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However, the McCanns’ British law firm, Kingsley Napley, has brought in its own forensic team to explain why the samples may be totally unconnected to Madeleine’s disappearance.
The couple insist that any DNA found in the Renault Scenic hired 25 days after Madeleine’s disappearance could have been transferred innocently from their daughter’s clothing when they moved to a new apartment.
Clarence Mitchell, the couple’s spokesman, said today: “Kate and Gerry have nothing to hide at all. They are perfectly happy to answer any of this, if it comes to it. There are wholly innocent explanations for anything the police may or may not have found."
Mr Mitchell said the couple were unable to grieve for Madeleine because they did not know yet what had happened to their daughter. “They need that knowledge whether Madeleine is alive or dead - let’s face it, she might be,” he said. “They need to know, before they can move on, before they can deal with that.
“In the absence of that hard information, they are doing what they can to, one, clear their names of these dreadful smears and, two, to actually get on with the job of finding her. That is the message we want to go to police in Portugal - ‘find Madeleine’.”
The couple hope that the appointment of a new head of the investigation will refocus the inquiry on finding their daughter. Mr Rebelo was appointed last night after the demotion of the previous lead investigator, Gonçalo Amaral, who had claimed that British police were being manipulated by Madeleine’s parents.
Mr Rebelo made his career at the Central Directory for the Investigation of Drug Trafficking before being appointed one of four associate directors of the PJ. He was head of the Criminal Investigation department in Lisbon when it uncovered a notorious paedophile ring. The “Casa Pia” ring had been abusing boys at state-run children’s homes for decades before being uncovered in 2002. Those alleged to have been involved included senior politicians, a former ambassador, celebrities and wealthy businessmen.
Mr Rebelo was described by colleagues as “highly regarded internally, he has done some excellent work for the PJ, he is nice and a good communicator”. He is close to the PJ’s national director, Alípio Ribeiro.

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Joe said...

If the Horas 24 claim is true which I think is not, as privacy is not an issue( unless it is being covered up officially or due to political pressure) if the PJ think a major crime has taken place.


Having said that if one assumed it was true, then more secrets hidden, the identity of the other person, the content of the information at a highly relevant period. The McCanns have nothing to hide though. Maybe its the location of where their daughter is at?

Perhaps this whole case is being played out in secret by the lawyers and the diplomats where damage limitation is paramount. I still believe we will never get to the truth of this matter.

Stella said...

If the contents of those messages implicates or names someone of a very high level in the UK, you can bet your bottom dollar that the PJ will be refused permission.

Let us not forget Gordon Brown was on Gerry's mobile phone on a regular basis in the first few days.

I think the PJ already have the contents of those messages but are being threatened by McCann Lawyers that to use them in court without obtaining the correct permission obtained through the right channels first, would violate someones human rights.

Or, someone very important here gets dropped right in it.....

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Everyone!

LGC and OpusPussy here :))

Here's a link to Marga's story on the 3As:

http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13661

The thread has been started by Xclamation, who is actually Joanna Morais.

Hmm.

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

Brilliant points!!!

dylan said...

Good afternoon all!

I am back on line after what seems like an eternity - however did i cope before the advent of the internet??!
It'll all go down soon though if our kitten has anything to with it. He's a little horror and won't leave my laptop leads alone. The only time he does is when he is busy scrtaching his way up my legs which now look like they have been dragged across a bed of cacti!

Anyway, I digress. Lots to read back on. Shocking, i agree about JCs comments and Mrs Healy about no real neglect because it was just the same as being on the back garden.

NO IT IS/WAS NOT!! Needed to shout that as i am so fed up with the denials. I know very, very well, being a parent, that it usually when your little ones are very quiet that they are "up to something". You need to be close by to know when they go quiet, if you catch my meaning. I remember falling asleep, shattered once. Baby was a few weeks old and alseep on top of me after having just been fed & I didn't want to move her. Two year - old had been playing happily as I hadn't meant to doze of. I suddenly awoke because the house was so quiet. I was so glad I did. I had left the changing bag in the room with the nappy rash cream in it. He was busily in the process of decorating himself with it and the carpet too!

TBH anything could have happened. You couldn't even say that it is safe because you left them asleep. Half hour checks just aren't good enough and as per H4T, my mother would have been furious if i compromised her grandchildren's life so selfishly and, albeit, absolutely needlessly. She would be sad of course and devastated if it had resulted so tragically but no way would she defend my behaviour to the world. After all, we learn from our parents how to be parents & mine wouldn't want to be associated with bringing me up to leave my kids alone for a night on the town.

As per Stella and Baththeory (hi by the way) something strange is going on. I don't believe Gordon Brown can be held in a bad light as at the stage he was involved, nobody knew they were going to be made arguidos and when they were, he refused to see them and passed them down to a lesser mortal. Somebody important must stand to lose though, just don't know who. Just why are these two blatant liars and neglectors so well protected?

And why will they not go to PdL for a reconstruction? Pink one says "what is the use?" Bloody fool, er because if there were an abduction, it just might help sove the case?.....possibly....? ....No stone unturned???!!

But there wasn't an abduction was there?

Dyl xx

dylan said...

Hello LGC.

Good to see you back! Will have a read of marga's story.

Does opus like kittens? This one is very small and wouldn't be much more than a mouthfull for him. He has also just eaten tuna fish too so he smells divine - yummy!!

xx

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Dillie!

Good to see you, too!

How are you? How were the exams and theses?

Opus says he does like kittens, but I know that secretly he prefers herrings...

:)

dylan said...

No problem Opus, next time I'll buy herring kitten food and I'll sew him a scaly suit to wear. You'll never know the difference ;)

Exams were ok. Still no results tho. Dissertation is going well. Still at the graphs and maths stage but hoping write-up end of June as I have until Aug 7th. Bet I'll find some other excuse not to at the end of June!! ))

How are you?

xx

LittleGreyCell said...

Dylan,

I'm very well, thanks! Slowly getting through the GCSEs my son is taking at the moment!

Keep at it, Dyl, it'll be worth all the hard work. At least the weather's terrible at the moment so you're not missing anything much!

:)

X

LittleGreyCell said...

Off now for a bit...see you later!

X

Stella said...

I had a really weird dream last night. I don't suppose anyones the least bit interested, but here goes.

Not sure where I was as I did not recognise the scenery, lots of different people lots of smaller buildings. In the background Gerry was asking other people where I was, he needed to find me quick, he knew I had some information that he wanted kept quiet. I'm running through narrow alleyways turn a corner to fast and fall into a swimming pool. Gerry catches up with me looks down and is laughing. In the pool with me is a pillow, white bed linen with blood on. He tells me that he was going to offer me a lot of money to keep quiet, but now that I am in that swimming pool there is no need.

At that point I woke up thank God....

I must be going round the bend dreaming of that loser. I must make sure I get Antonio Banderas to visit me tonight to make up for the nightmare last night :->

dylan said...

Stella lol!

I'm sure you could do much better things in a swimming pool with Antonio ;) hmmmm....

Bye LGC & good luck to your son with the rest of his GCSEs. I'm sure with a smart mum like you he'll sail 'em!

xx

Stella said...

Ohhh Dylan, Stop it.

I just hope he has his Zorro outfit on..

Stella said...

Dylan

You're absolutely right about something funny going on. Every time I post something with GB's name in it, I get thrown off blogger. It just happened again..

dolores said...

Looks like 4 have chickened out of reconstruction, don't know who.
But I am not surprised, they have been cowards from the beginning anyway.Although this time it will look bad to the eyes of the world.
D


Madeleine: Recovery of missing annulled by the absence of four players - PGR
May 27, 2008, 16:00

Lisbon, May 27 (Lusa) -

The reconstitution of the facts concerning the disappearance of British child Madeleine McCann, scheduled for Thursday and Friday, was cancelled due to lack of four contributors, today informed the Attorney General's Office (PGR) .

According to a note of the PGR, the investigation was "given no effect" due to "no show already announced" four friends of the couple McCann who were on holiday in the tourist resort of Praia da Luz, Algarve, when the child disappeared, May 03, 2007. Kate and Gerry McCann showed willingness to participate in rebuilding the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, but their friends put in question the validity and the proposed model.

"Basically, it is not up to Gerry and Kate [the completion of restoration] because they are defendants and, if requested their presence, they will have to go", recently assured the spokesman of the couple, Clarence Mitchell, the Agency Lusa.

Everything depends on friends, who were also invited to go but, as they are not defendants have the right to question the usefulness of the exercise and whether vai help find Madeleine - and the answer now seems to be no, "he said.

A reconstitution of all steps taken by parents and friends present at the time was suggested by the Judicial Police (PJ) about a month, the first by the lawyers of the McCann and then convened by individual.

CC / WB / CF.

Lusa / End

ratonthebeam said...

Don't know whether you've all seen this just in - sorry for the cr*p BabelFish translation, but you will get the idea. 4 of the T7 are refusing to go back to PDL. Any bets as to which 4?!
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Madeleine: Recovery of missing annulled by the absence of four players - PGR
May 27, 2008, 16:00

Lisbon, May 27 (Lusa) - The reconstitution of the facts concerning the disappearance of British child Madeleine McCann, scheduled for Thursday and Friday, was cancelled due to lack of four contributors, today informed the Attorney General's Office (PGR) .

According to a note of the PGR, the investigation was "given no effect" due to "no show already announced" four friends of the couple McCann who were on holiday in the tourist resort of Praia da Luz, Algarve, when the child disappeared, May 03, 2007.

Kate and Gerry McCann showed willingness to participate in rebuilding the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, but their friends put in question the validity and the proposed model.

"Basically, it is not up to Gerry and Kate [the completion of restoration] because they are defendants and, if requested their presence, they will have to go", recently assured the spokesman of the couple, Clarence Mitchell, the Agency Lusa.

"Everything depends on friends, who were also invited to go but, as they are not defendants have the right to question the usefulness of the exercise and whether vai help find Madeleine - and the answer now seems to be no," he said.

A reconstitution of all steps taken by parents and friends present at the time was suggested by the Judicial Police (PJ) about a month, the first by the lawyers of the McCann and then convened by individual.

Stella said...

I've got to go now, but not in the least bit surprised with the news. I will bet it is not the obvious 4 though. I put my money on the Paine's and the Oldfields....

See you all tomorrow.

dylan said...

In his Zorro outfit? - now, now Stella, next you'll be thrown off blogger for being kinky!! Well this site is supposed to be all about sex according to troll!
Now go and take a nice cold shower :))))

May I suggest you use Bordon Grown next time? That might work can't see any flags on that one!

Yes I do think some very fishy stuff is going on and it aint eminating from opus. I don't think we will ever find out. I heard that the truth about the JFK assassination is hidden in a time capsule and we will find out what happened in 2012. I'm sure it was 2012 as I remember thinking that I will be well into my forties by then and being scared by it. Now that I am 2 months away from actually being 40, don't know what was so scary now.

I haven't the faintest what is going on with the Mcs but all I do know is that something is most definately wrong with this case and the shroud of secrecy and favouritism surrounding it.

How is your leg now? was it you that had a bit of a fall? I hope you are fully mobile again. xx

Wizard said...

Portugal's Noticias in reporting that 4 of the T9 are refusing to return for the reconstruction.

No names are mentioned - although I would hazard a guess at OB & JT -as arguidos KM and GM have to return so who are the other two? My understanding is if all of the T9 are not present and they continue to refuse to take part in the reconstruction it will not go ahead.

bath theory said...
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bath theory said...

Of course I am very disappointed for obvious reasons about the reconstruction being delayed etc.

As the timeline that is critical is between 6.00 - 8.30 I would have given my right hand to see if Gerry went to the tennis court while Kate was running a bath alone for 3 children under 4yrs of age!!!

I wonder if she would have tried to pretend bathing all three. No way did she bath those three alone.

I am still angling for my bath theory as I see it as a time when mayhem hits especially if Madeleine knew she was about to be syringed or knocked out by tablets. That poor defenceless little girl may well have known what was to come. This is just my thought and certainly not based on any facts that I know of.

In terms of the TAPAS lot fear is a great deterrent to stop one from coming forward. It has stopped them all for a year in coming forward publically but I am still convinced two did step forward and tell the PJ what they knew last year when the heat was rising. That is one reason the PJ are very confident in my opinion.

I reckon the Paynes are the couple who have spilled the beans.

PS Hi again Dylan

Ecolab said...

HAPPY FACEs

Madeleine fighting fund launched within a week from May 3. and a Reward of £2.5m was offered to anyone with information leading to the four-year-old's safe return:

Happy faces- The Golden Egg

REWARD CONTRIBUTORS 12 May!

JK Rowling
Sir Philip Green
Richard Branson
Bill Kenwright
Eggert Magnusson
John Madejski
Jacqueline Gold
Simon Cowell
Wayne Rooney
Michael Vaughan
Sir Tom Hunter
Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou
John Hargreaves

bath theory said...

Ecolab and all

Do we know when the priest gave them the keys exactly. My thinking is did they befriend during that week they were on holiday and therefore they were in possession of them when things happened on the 2nd or 3rd May.

Or did he give them after the media circus started. the exact date would be interesting to know. I believe he knows what happened exactly. I believe Kate has told him.

bath theory said...

Last I heard he was back living with his parents somewhere. Is that corrct also?

I am talking about the Catholic priest not the canadian anglican family bloke.

Wizard said...

Bath theory, the church keys were given to the mc's after the alleged abduction.

Ecolab said...

Question 1 year ago:
Madeline Mccann fund, what is the money for????
I would just like to know how the money is or will be spent??
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Replies 1 Year ago:

Asker: I am gutted that i donated £120, I feel as if I have been cheated. I am not well off, we used the money we saved to take our little girl away to the lake district for the weekend. but I thought my money would help more than us going away for the weekend.

st abbs: Supposidly to keep them in Portugal until Madeline is found.
These people obviously don't want to spend a penny of their own cash if they don't have to.
If they can afford to live in a £600,000 house and afford a nanny and i.v.f treatment then lets be honest they are not short of money.
garfish: Supposedly to enable the parents (plus all their family and friends) out there till she is found. I guess it costs a bit to stay indefinitely and you never see that mother in the same clothes twice have you noticed?

I`m not c : i think its so Maddie's parents can enjoy the rest of there holiday

bex: i am confused, is this the money that simon cowell and the like have givin or is the money they want from the public,so much has been said on this subject, it seems to have over shadowed the very real fact that little maddie is still missing,i 4 one will not be giving anything to this "so called fund",what to line the pockets of two very selfish parents, who in actual fact caused this to happen,instead of jogging or whatever they are still doing in portugal, they should be in there hired car searching high and low for there little girl, not thinking bout money and financial gain at this present moment.

Rosie: It's a pity that they weren't as careful about their children as they obviously care about money.

RobbieF: The family claim that it will finance their stay in Portugal, however long that may be, and enable them to pay people to keep the campaign to find Madeleine going. They also claim that any money left over will go to charity.
Like all money raised for "good causes," however, this fund is open to abuse. I would hope that Madeleine's family will not use this fund to get richer (they already own the holiday apartment that Madeleine was abducted from, these people are not poor!)

Swan: It's is to fund the McCanns retirement pension no doubt!!
Why the frick did they have to set up a limited company [why not a charity for other missing children]...???
By setting up a limited company they have come across as mercenary [profiting from their daughter's disappearance] and I suspect that if their daughter is ever found they will write a book for a very large fee of course, in addition to being interviewed for several tabloid newspapers for 6 figure sums!!

marga said...

MC Canns friends avoid the reconstruction. It is already news worldwide. Who do they want to fool?

As we here in Pt say" Quem tem cú, tem medo".Don't know how to translate it into English but it has to do with fearing sth.

Well, this is not an unexpected news. Everyone that has been following this case "knew" they wouldn't come and their friends again come an excuse that seems perfect to them but not to the PJ.

If they didn't know they have reasons to fear being arrested they would be eager to help the PJ. Are they also afraid of becoming arguidos themselves?

I bet this is the reason.

Those who tell the truth have nothing to fear.
What a bunch of hypocrites and liars. I for me I'm glad they stay in england. I'm fed up of them all.

Ecolab said...

Marga: You just said The Words:
Hypocrites and Liars.

Look what I found:
"On the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann, Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her neice. The website was setup that day as www.bringmadeleinehome.com.

On the 16th of May www.findmadeleine.com was born and the Look For Madeleine campaign became world wide. At one point there were 1 million simultaneous users accessing the website. Support messages came pouring in with some information about Madeleine, suggestions for the campaign and general support from people all over the world.

On the 20th of May it was decided that there should be some way for people to buy Look for Madeleine bands so Infohost created an online store putting all the money into the campaign fund."

http://www.infohost.co.uk/madeleine/

Philomena is NOT the Master of that. What a speed. I do`nt believe a word. This was all in the Master Plan long time before the 3.

bath theory said...

By the way I often write on here and then have to attend the children so I am not being rude in posting then going silent for a while.

I hope you agree my 4 yr old and 6 yr old are priority. So apologies for those I talk to and then seemingly do not reply. I am usually making toast, or watching a DVD or playing in a camp !! right off again.

Thanks Wizard... do you know what date that was. I bet this catholic priest was summoned to the Vatican to tell the Pope what he knows and that is why the official representatives etc no longer say one word about them.

Maybe he should write a book !!

marga said...

Viv,

These four that are refusing to come are witnesses in this case.Right?

If they refuse to answer/cooperate with the police, don't they have to ask for the arguido status as the parents did in September?

Just a thought. I only think the PJ know how to deal with this bunch and I believe they really know how to respond accordingly.

atardi said...

Hi everyone,

This is what we expected:

Leaving some stones unturned".

Ecolab said...

atardi

So they have decided NOT to go back!

Well, well, well and (who says)that the Portuguese police has said they do not want the reconstruction to be filmed?

You have a standpoint untill you take a new ;-))))

Plan B The smoking part has begun

mandarinn said...

Marga
i went to gd. I feel very sorry.
I wrote a little message, in these situations i get speechless.

marga said...

Eco,

to imagine and create such a campaign when they were supposed to be grieving was sth difficult to believe. That logo LOOk seemed to have been waiting to be shown and against all odds they HAD to publicize her eye defect. Hmmm Have they ever heard of procrastination especially in difficult times? No.

The TRUTH about the LIE will reveal the unthinkable.

BTW , ROB pasted here a link two days ago with some photos that are new on the net. One particular one caught my attention. I'll find the link to it. I'm not going to comment on it now. Just want you to look it closely.
BBFN

Ecolab said...

I`m in love

marga said...

Mandarinn,

he is a brave man and that spiritual side of him gives me a certain kind of hope. It will help him. I'm sure.

mandarinn said...

BT
If he, the çpriest, wrote a book about it,it will a best seller BUT a catholic priest can't... confession secret.........

mandarinn said...

Marga
I agree.
your posts there are sensitive and beautiful as it is the quote from Eclesiastes

atardi said...

Hi Ecolab,

The McCanns "know" their daughter is still alive. They said they would leave no stone unturned. But they think a re-construction isn't usefull to find their daughter??????????????

Cláudia said...

Oh, so they are not coming? What a shocker...

mandarinn said...

Atardi
The impudence of these bunch is endless

Joe said...

To be honest the PJ should now realistically call it a day as they have done their utmost to solve this case. Those Tapas 9 are a disgrace and beyond contempt but in the future will probably be lauded by the media. Not one of them has a conscience IMO and do not deserve any respect.

The PJ can hold their heads high. This lot probably know what happened to Madeline and are not going to go to PDL to play games. No self respecting newspaper,TV station magazine or media outlet should have anything to do with them ever again or listen to their rubbish. Call it a day and we can all move on especially the Portuguese people.

The British authorities were never really interested in what happened to Madeline as reputations are far more important. I am not defeatist but realistic as this lot have never really taken the PJ seriously as its all a big game.

marga said...

Hi Atardi! (my favourite avatar)mandarinn,

Family is waiting for dinner. Thanks.Look at the link below.Look at the photo Kate amd maddie (baby).
Não te parece ter trissomia?

Eco, here is the link.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53137&page=4


cu later

marga said...

Sorry for the typos.
The 1st question was addressed to Mandarinn.
Really have to go.
xx

atardi said...

Mandarrin,

Like you I really have to struggle with my words in English.

Imagine this, your child is missing. You have one goal. You want to find your child. Death or alive. How on earth is it possible that you don't want to participate to the reconstruction?

Ecolab said...

I`m in Love with the PJ and the Portuguese Police.

I`m sure they make the reconstruction anyway and with some very good actors. That they film the reconstruction and sell it by World Wide Television-network.
The files are the script!

atardi said...

Hi Marga,

Hope to catch you this week.
How was your son's footie?

atardi said...

LGC,

If you are reading. I read some posts ago that you was also interested in astrology. I will send you a post in my language via Viv if you are interested. You will have to translate it. The last part I found very interesting and can translate it for you.



Viv,Can you send the post to LGC?

bath theory said...

Mandarin ... Of course the priest is never meant to tell but I firmly believe the Pope or the main cardinal in Portugal on his behalf would have found a way to get it out of him.

Yes they are never meant to tell but I firmly believe the Catholic hierarchy would get it out of him and are in possession of the true story behind this. I am a catholic primary school teacher and yet at that level lots of things happen in my opinion that are exactly morally correct if it suits.

I have no doubt in my ind this priest knows and so do the big wigs in Lisbon & Rome. They will not tell but they would have got it out of the PDL local priest.

Joe said...

Bath theory,

Even if the priest knew, it could not be used as it is considered privileged information. If he knew and what they having been saying for 12 months are lies, I wonder what he thinks of that and how does that test his beliefs?

Ecolab said...

Marga
Are you still there?

bath theory said...

Yes Joe I agree , my point was that in order to massage her soul I believe Kate told the local priest because she knew she could. I am just making a point that I believe it is not only the Tapas lot that know where Madeleine's ashes/body is.

Remember at first their story was adopted and a photo appeared on the official Vatican website and then it suddenly disappeared one night a few weeeks later.

Ecolab, is it that Marga delayed your gratification by not leaving the link at first that made you love her !!!!!!!!

bath theory said...

If I were the priest I would give up the priesthood and then walk into the police station and tell them what I knew.

bath theory said...

Anyway off to see the Apprentice now. Bye to all

mandarinn said...

BT
I'm not sure if Kate told what happened in confession .
However i got the conviction he know what happened as the pj knows. but when he got it it was too late they already have the church key IMO

Joe said...

Bath theory,

I agree with you considering IF they were involved and he knows it he should grass them up for truth and justice otherwise he is perpetuating a sin by staying silent.

IF they were involved all the priest has to looks at is what they have continued to say ans all the money and fame they have made of it. CLEAR CASE OF THE DEVILS WORK.

atardi said...

Cláudia,

We are shocked because we thought they would be there didn't we ;)-.

After all the celebrities supporting them. Who can compete with J.K Rowling and David Beckham. We can't ,but we are still blogging.

As I have footballing daughters I must say that our favourit dvd "Bent it like Beckham" is not watched anymore by the girls and us. And JK Rowlings is another subject. Beckham and Rowling never said why they supported the McCanns.

Hope you are really settled now.

My kids don't like her.

Ecolab said...

Bath Theory

No ;-))

My love is for the PJ and the Police.

Marga wrote me a question: "Não te parece ter trissomia?" and a link.

I would like to discuss it with her. Very possible endeed, her question.
I`m trying to find that picture of Maddies hand in some clay? A present for her Granny.
I have met some Moasaik-Trissomia

mandarinn said...

Ecolab did you achiev to see the picture ? i couldn't :(

marga said...

Eco,
I'm back.
have you seen the photo?

marga said...
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Cláudia said...

Hi, Atardi.
What happened was exactly what I said would happen all along. The friends would be the excuse now. I have a very simple explanation for Beckham and J. K. Rowling's support. They thought the McCanns were poor parents who had a daughter missing. And so did I. When they realised, it was too late. But what they did is what every caring human being would do: believe them. At least until there were reasons to think otherwise. And afterwards there were so many...

Ecolab said...

Marga :
Yes I have seen the photo. First time I noticed the photo, I thought the same as you and again at the poolphoto.
There is somthing called Mosaik- Trisomi. It is not that extreem. Do you know that?

I would like to look at that "clay" gift Madeleine made for her grandmother. Something with her handprints on. I cannot find it right away! hmnnnn...

Ecolab said...

Mandarinn
You have to scroll down a little bit

baby girl

lizzy said...

Hi Viv/all
27.05.2008 27.05.2008 - SOS MADDIE
: Four friends of McCann refused reconstitute the night of crime
The PJ will now discuss with the Ministry for Public whether it is moving forward with the prosecution or if the recovery remains indispensable.
Four friends who had accompanied Gerry and Kate McCann during their holidays in Portugal have refused to return to Praia da Luz to participate in the reconstruction of events related to the disappearance of Madeleine, a diligence scheduled for next Thursday and Friday and that the Police Judicial (PJ) considered "extremely important" to consolidate the investigation.

L’i Information, confirmed today by a note by the Office of the Attorney General of he Republic (PGR), argues that, because of their presence, diligence is pure and simply cancelled.

The announcement of non-cooperation of the four British, and the consequent cancellation of the recovery has not surprised the investigators because they had already received, there are more than a week, informing their colleagues in the United Kingdom of at least two of "Tapas September, the couple Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, did not return.

Friday past, a senior British police Enderby, had revealed that "Kate and Gerry McCann have established an agreement with their seven friends to prevent the realization of the recovery request by the Portuguese authorities," stressing "they know that this recovery will not take place if the group is not at full strength. "

" According to the same officer, the couple McCann did not want to "refuse directly and publicly discuss their participation, on pain of seeing public opinion in the United Kingdom turn against them."
"If their presence is required, they will, they must go," said Clarence Mitchell about Kate and Gerry McCann stressing that the couple had always status arguidos, that was not true of their friends.

Les sept amis - Jane Tanner et Russell O’Brien, Matthew et Rachael Oldfield, David et Fiona The seven friends - Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, David and Fiona Payne, and the mother thereof, Diane Webster - were questioned as witnesses in Portugal and the United Kingdom claiming to help the investigating the disappearance of Madeleine, a position that the PJ had already questioned in the past and that the refusal announced today seems to confirm.

Lizzy

marga said...

I also remember that gift. A plate with her hands printed in pink.
It was in the DM I suppose.Sue Healy was showing it in a photo.

But again some images of maddie show some features that peculiar. That film of her opening the gifts show a not excited little girl overwhelmed by the presents/ occasion and some of their expressions ... are not quite normal IMO.

atardi said...

Cláudia,

I know you said it before. You would only believe it if you saw it with your own eyes.

Everyone blogging on here knew/know that the McCanns want to leave some stones unturned.

Going to PDL is too dangerous for them because they know what happenned.

I have sent a post to LGC via Viv, you can read it also. If you want a translation I will do that.

marga said...

Sorry,

some of her face expressions.

At night I'm a disgrace..LOL

I'm tired...

Cláudia said...

Atardi, thank you.
They will only come if they are forced, if they run out of excuses (even if they are pathetic) or if they fear the consequences of not coming are worse than the consequences of coming. To be honest, if it was up to me, I would go ahead with the goss neglicence charge, force them to go to court and then wait for the verdict. A couple of years in jail sometimes do wonders...

hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

I dont think any of the celebs that put up a reward or spoke to the world to try and get information if where she was can be blamed for doing so.

When they did this the story was still being spun very well and the distance from the tapas bar was not known. Not long after it was on the news I started to doubt them and the first time I saw how far away the bar was I was truly shocked.

The celebs did what they could for Madeleine a 3 year old child who was missing I dont think any one of us if we thought we could do something to find a missing child would say no cant be bothered.

I think what has happend since must horify most of them and I have not heard any of them talking on behalf of the McCanns since near to the begining of when she went missing.

And if I had a couple of million spare would have put up a reward for her return or infotmation about what happend to her myself.

I would never give anything to the fund or support their lawyers but if I could do anything to find a missing child I would do it gladly and I think this is why the celebs wanted to help.

Did any of us realise that long ago what a circus and money making scheme this tragic event would turn into?

xxx

Ecolab said...

Marga:

You know, there are something about the handlines in the hands of trisomies? Well I look at it, when I find the picture.

I will be "going" now. Soon 11 o`clock and I have a mail to write before bedtime. It is very important.

See you tomorrow.

Goodnight to everybody here from Denmark.
;-))

marga said...

Bye Eco.
I didn't know that.

But I guess this was also investigated by the PJ.

See you all tomorrow.

Cláudia,

jinhos minha linda.
you are right. Charging them is the only way to go forward.

mandarinn said...

Ecolab
Thank you.
Marga
In this picture, yes a bit , and i agree with you in christmas video she is apathic.. but in all the others she look a normal little child.

marga said...

Eco,

here is an article with that plate:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/article366726.ece

Cláudia said...

Hi, Marga.
I admire the patience of those men and women. Charge them with the neglect related crimes, let them sweat in a court of law and then let them listen carefully to the judge's verdict. I read some pro idiot somewhere (can't remember where) saying that they could ask for a a jury. Yes, they can for one. It has to be granted by a judge. But unless they request a jury made up of familiy members instead of Portuguese citizens, I would not recommend it. Unless they are longing for a new long vacation. Inside a nice and confy cell, of course.

marga said...

Mandarinn,

if they are "normal" photos, yes, she looks wonderful. Like a princess as they kept saying at the beginning...
But there are photos and photos if you know what I mean.
Boa noite.

Ecolab said...

Marga

mandarinn said...

Boa noite. Dorme bem

Ana said...

Evening everyone,
So, they are not coming! What a surprise (not)!
We knew all along that they wouldn’t come!
They are living a very big stone unturned, don’t they?
God help theirs remain children, the children of all of them! Even not necessary, they confirmed all their guilty. Hang your “heads” in shame you big cowards!
Poor Madeleine, none of them are helping her, what a bunch of bastards you all are!
Bad day for justice, first the report of 24 Horas (confirmed to be true) and now this! Sad, very sad!
Cadaver dogs never lye,” Humans” do!

Ecolab said...

Marga:
I have to comment on that.

From a medical point, her handlines seem to be normal.


Another thing and from a "handreading" point her handlines shows, that she was NOT very attached to her parents AND she has almost NO lifeline!!!!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Ana. Calling any of those people 'parents' is offensive to any decent parent in this world. Those sorry excuses for parents did what cowards and people who hide something and are therefore scared liked hell do.

marga said...

Cláudia,

LOL

Mandarinn,

there are two types of photos of her. If you compare all of them, you will see her portrayed in two different ways. An elaborated and a more natural one. And the latter is of a xxxxxx child.
It fails me the right word.

Ana said...

Exactly dear Cláudia!
Now I am waiting for charges to be brought, there is no space for pity here!
Charge them all prosecutor, they deserve it! Obstruction is a serious crime!
Justice must prevail!

marga said...

Eco,

don't know anything about reading hands...

But it seems to me that she was not the happy child they want the world to believe. That's for sure. And that Christmas video says it all.

marga said...

Ana,
nice to see you.

If you are (according to certain posters) Alsabella I am glad you come here too because I miss her.

If you are not her than I want to send to Alsabella my love and Hugs.

Beijinhos minha linda.

marga said...

Eco,

loved to exchange ideas with you.

Beijos

Ana said...

Hi Marga,

I don’t need to see the picture you are referring to, to tell you that when I first saw it, thought exactly the same as you, then I change my mind because of all the others pics…

Ecolab said...

Marga
I dont know that much either, but I find it facinating.


Off to my mail. See ya

Cláudia said...

Marga, Ana is not Alsabella. :-)

bath theory said...

The McCann files has several 'latest news' articles today. One I have just seen is with regards to the text messages.

'...The Public Ministry and the inspectors at the Polícia Judiciária that are responsible for the Maddie case, are not going to be able to read the contents of the mobile phone text messages that were sent and received by the McCann couple during the moments that followed the English girl's disappearance...'

THIS MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL. Claudia, can you write an article for your national paper. It is obvious these texts will enlighten the PJ on either Madeleine's plight or the actions of the family and friends. Has this portugese judge been bought as well ? or have I missed something here.

Ana said...

Marga,

I am not Alsabella( you can see that by my poor English lolol), but I admire her a lot!
Beijinhos querida :)

Cláudia said...

Ana and Marga, neglect and obstruction to justice sound great to me! :-)

atardi said...

Will read you all tomorrow.

Must go to bed now.

Ana said...

Cláudia,

Enough for me too!:)

Cláudia said...

Bath Theory, that piece of news hasn't been confirmed (as far as I know). It was published on 24 Horas. If it is true, I would like to have a chat with that judge. ;-)

mandarinn said...

Marga
I notice there are pictures where she like a normal child ex. riding the cycle and otheres where she look spontaneous and others staged....IMO she look more happy when she was younger.
The picture where she is on her granny arms trying to get a birthday cake, has something strange as if theshe wanted fly from toward the cake

Cláudia said...

Atardy, boa noite.

Ana, enough for me too.

Ana said...

Bye Atardi, goodnight!:)

Ana said...

Cláudia,

The news are true!

nancy said...

Bath Theory -

You got it in one in my opinion. Either that or he has been put under some pressure to make that decision. As I've thought all along there is much more to this case than meets the eye. The McCanns and their pals were never going to go back unless it was televised (obviously to make money from it) and also to save their scrawny necks.

They all say they are committed to doing anything they can to help find Madeleine.

Well,I'm sorry, from where I'm standing it looks like they are committed to looking after themselves and to hell with poor Madeleine!

I'm absolutely appalled at their decisions and I hope the British public will show them just how they feel!

I also hope that some brave newspaper reporters will stand up and be counted for a change and tell just what they think of these wonder doctors and their pals!!

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!!

AND MAY THE CHILD NEGLECTERS STEW IN THEIR OWN JUICE FOR THE REST OF THEIR PATHETIC LIVES!

bath theory said...

Thanks Claudia, In any case get the Leicestershire police to ring up GCHQ in Cheltenham. They could assist on this matter I am sure.

It is just if it is true this Portugese judge is letting a lot of people down and it does not help does it. Or at least let them see it secretly over his shoulder as he tells them they cannot see the messages.

Ana said...

Cláudia,

Acórdão do Tribunal da Relação de Évora

Cláudia said...

Ana, the news about the text messages? I haven't heard anything. On TV they only mentioned the reconstruction being cancelled. Has it been mentioned by other newspapers other than 24 Horas?

nancy said...

My blood pressure is beginning to boil over so I'd better say goodnight to all of you good people on here who are trying to get justice for Madeleine.

Let's hope something happens to turn this around in favour of Madeleine for a change eh?

Good night! See you all tomorrow!


Nancy x

Cláudia said...

Thank you, Ana.
I would definately like to have a chat with him! ;-)

Bath Theory, I agree.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, Nancy.

Ana said...

Cláudia,

Sadly, the news are true!
The document is dated 28 of April!

Cláudia said...

Ana, yeah, I can see it. Thank you.

Ana said...

Cláudia,
I would love to have a "chat" with him too!!!

Cláudia said...

Off for about half an hour.

Ana said...

Bye Nancy, goodnight!:)

Ana said...

Cláudia,
Catch you later Hun!:)

Joe said...

It appears that the PJ have been blocked at virtually every stage of this investigation. The latest the phone messages. There is now no doubt in my mind that there has been major political interference. there is no other answer. Not once did the McCanns appear worried or apprehensive, as they probably know the likely outcome.

mandarinn said...

hummmmm
everday i get more conbintion that tapas 10 is the key...why someone even is he is a VIP need such a deep secret, a secret that avoid a investigation of a little child death

bath theory said...

Claudia

With regards to the text messages and that JUDGE there is a Spanish expression...

de repente le han roto la mano

(IMO)

Ana said...

Hi Mandarinn,
I think you are right; there is a Tapas 10!
Remember, PJ doesn’t know and it seems they never will the owner of one cell phone number...
Mmmmmm, very suspicious IMO!

bath theory said...

Viv & Ecolab what are your legal takes on this text business

Joe said...

It appears everybody is afforded protection all because of this 10th Tapas? Must be a might important person who in reality is an out and out coward.

Ana said...

I will post the full decision made by the Évora Judge.


Google translation:

Agree, on a conference in the Criminal Section of the Court of Appeal of Evora


1. In the case of inquiry No /, pending Ministry of Public Services in the District of… where investigates the disappearance of MM and the possible occurrence of crimes of kidnapping, murder, exposure or abandonment of minor and concealment of corpses, the Portuguese. Mr Public Prosecutor holder of the process of investigation, invoked under the provisions of art. 15. Article 2 of Law No. 88/89 of September 11, 187. Article 1, alin. a) and 4, alin. a) and b), 252. º-A and 269. thereof No. 1, alin. e) of the CPP, promoted, among other steps, if requested at 3 national mobile telephone operators (TMN, VODAFONE and OPTIMUS) to send in digital media (CD or DVD), the complete listings of telephone traffic for calls made and received in the period of time between the day April 28, 2007 until September 9, 2007, including location and mobile trace-back, as well as on roaming calls and SMS and MMS messages and their contents, the following telephone numbers:

(Here are 10 phone numbers)

::::::

-- No, not yet identified phone during that on 02 May 2007 sent 14 SMS messages written to GM and 4 other the day after the disappearance of MM

-- If requested from the mobile telephone operator TMN, sending in digital media (CD or DVD) of the complete listing of telephone traffic referring to calls made and received in the period of time between 20:00 M of the day 03 of May 2007 and 12.00 M of the day 04 of May, 2007, including location and mobile trace-back, as well as on roaming calls and SMS and MMS messages and their contents, the following phone numbers:

:::::::::::::

2. However, Mr Judge of Criminal Procedure, by its order of 24.09.2007, did not authorize the shipment on digital media (CD or DVD) of the contents of any message sent or received on SMS or MMS when it comes to all phone numbers above, for, in his view, this would mean taking note of the contents of the conversation or telephone communication has already made without there being any judicial ruling prior to authorization, and by inexistir legal support for the defendant (see fls. 12 of these file) .

3. Inconformado with so decided, the prosecutor brought this action under constant fls.1 to 7, drawing the motivation that made the following conclusions:

"1 - Our dissentimento refers to scholarly order of the Judge M. ° of Criminal Procedure, fls. 2687 to 2689, in that they did not authorize "the consignment on digital media (CD or DVD) of the contents of any message sent or received and by SMS or MMS.

2 - There is no reason to distinguish, as the distinguished Judge M. °, the two kinds of communications - content of SMS and MMS traffic and listings of telephone calls received regarding effected. Where the law does not distinguish, because no one is distinguished.

3 - The right to the reserve of their privacy does not run greater risk of being injured by access to the content of SMS or MMS than by knowledge of the precise circumstances of time, place, method and frequency of calls received and made.

4 - If the procedural law refers to the use of communications already made, it expressly for the permit, as follows linear and clearly the requirements of paragraph l of art. 189 of the CPPenal.

5 - To preserve the reserves of their privacy of the interlocutors of SMS or MMS in this case, obviating, through its judicial control, to any improper intrusion that intimacy, simply to Judge M. ° make use of established in paragraph . Paragraph 3 of art. 179 of the CPPenal, subject to own and prior knowledge of their content the ability to use as evidence of SMS and MMS.

6 - By not allowing access to the content of SMS and MMS, the scholarly order infringed the provisions of arts. 179 °, 187 ° and 189 of the CPPenal.

Accordingly, repealing, noted in part, the scholarly order and ordering its replacement by another requesting the three national mobile telephone operators in the consignment digital media (CD or DVD) of the contents of any message sent or received and by SMS or MMS and their content in terms of all the phone numbers appearing on the fls. 2681 and 2682, in compliance with specified in paragraph 3 of art. 179 °.. "

4. The appeal came to be accepted by order of 21.12.2007, following a complaint lodged in this ratio (see fls.15).

5. Mr Judge maintained the order, saying, in essence, the following:

"The taking of knowledge of the content of communications made by SMS or MMS's, because it is held communication through telephone, necessarily requires the prior judicial authorization and you will result from interception and held authorized by that order on the communication in course.

From my point of view and unless all due respect we can not make any equivalence between data traffic (eg, those on the lists of numbers dialed and received) and data content (those related to the content of communication, the exchanged words) for the purpose of treating the same way and that by the very nature of each other, is not it know that they, on X, the particular time, a communication between the numbers Z and K, in particular place (data traffic) and know what there is nothing, combined or discussed.

Absence any phone legitimately seized also does not seem legal to use the rules concerning the seizure of correspondence failing that, by that way, being relegated to the demands placed on the interception of communication in progress, what would happen if the carrier ordered that send, if technically feasible, the content of those communications made through the phone.

Finally, the argument 'stored in digital form' refers to communications made by any technical means other than the telephone, eg. e-mail, real-time computer network, etc.., and it is not here, unless all due respect, any application. "

6. In this instance, the Portuguese. Mr Attorney General, in his scholarly opinion of fls.22 to 97, is the understanding that the appeal should be dismissed as manifestly unfounded.

7. It met the provisions of art. 417. Article 2 of CPP, was not made any response. Harvested legal visas and held the conference, it decides.

8. Question to consider.

Given the conclusions presented by the applicant's motivation, the issue is to decide only the question whether it is permissible to request the three national mobile telephone operators to refer to digital media (CD or DVD) the content of any message sent, or received by SMS or MMS and their content in terms of all the phone numbers appearing on the fls. 2681 and 2682, with reference to specified periods of time there.

For example:

First of all, interest reporting some lessons on issues relating to secrecy of telecommunications, what is at stake and advance the principles and relevant normação.

The concept of electronic communication is not provided for in the area of criminal law, but is defined in art. . 2 No. 1, alin. a) of Law No. 41/2004, from August 18, which regulates the processing of personal data and privacy in the electronic communications sector. Does this rule is that electronic communication "or sent any information exchanged between a finite number of shares using an electronic communications service accessible to the public." It is a very broad and comprehensive concept that the law itself considers worth only "for the purposes of this law."

Rather, telecommunications is a concept that no current law sets. The law uses it, for example, the text of paragraph 2 of art. 194. Penal Code, but not down. Unlike in the past laws, repealed today, setting up telecommunications. Thus, Law No. 91/97, August 1, which defined the basis that the general followed the establishment, management and operation of telecommunication networks, said in his art. 2. Thereof, that "by telecommunications means the transmission, reception or transmission of signals, representing symbols, writing, images, sounds or information of any nature by wire, for optical systems, for radio and other electromagnetic systems." However, this law was repealed, except for a small part of its articles, by point a) of art. 127. Of the Law No. 5 / 2004, February 10 (Law of Electronic Communications).

However, the latter law does not define telecommunications. Moreover, this being the degree of legal structural framework of this sector of activity, it is significant that he has not devote any definition of telecommunication, within the definitions listed in your art. 3. Thereof.

Having repealed a piece of legislation that incorporated the first of these definitions, has to do here is a choice of the legislature that, perhaps, chose not to be bound by a legal definition that could quickly become technically outdated. [1]

It should be recalled that in telecommunications services, it is distinguished three species or types of data or information: (i) the so-called data, on the network connection, (ii) the so-called traffic data, functional data necessary for the establishment of and a connection or communication generated by the use of the network (eg. location of the user, location of the recipient, duration of use, date and time, frequency) and (iii) the so-called data content, concerning the contents of the communication or the message [2].

Moreover, since the various telecommunications services used for the transmission of communications verbal or otherwise (written messages, data on packages), the elements inherent to the structure may still in a sequential composition in four times: (i) the stage prior to the statement, (ii) the establishment of communication, (iii) the stage of the communication itself, and (iv) the further communication. For the first time, are essentially on the data, while in the other, it is the consideration of traffic data and content.

The basic data are, in the perspective of users, the information needed to access the network, particularly through the linking individual and for use of their own service - interest here, in essence, the number and data through which the user has access the service.

These elements (such as identifying the user and its postal address) are provided to the operator of the service for the purpose of establishing the agreement (the contract) for connection to their network or assigned by this that (the number of access); data such as personnel who are, the holder on them should have the right to reserve, especially as regards the entry of such elements in public directories (ie, the schedules public telephone or other telecommunication services complementary). This reserve provides that the inclusion of such elements in the lists public should be voluntary.

This reserve on the numbers of post or access - to be right of users - prevents the public dissemination and the consequent possibility of public awareness of the number of access of a user, so, essentially, to avoid, of their own volition, some situations of interference that can occur in cases of harassment trade: constant repetition and disturbing, 'marketing' telephone, use of lists of direct advertising by companies and enterprises of polls.

The reservation on the basis of elements, wanted to, in essence, prevent the tranquility of their own interest against possible intrusions or greater by the public disclosure of such information, evidence perhaps, also, moreover, that should not be used, unless explicit authorization other than by the network operator, justifying the existence of such limits as to the disposal of the items for commercial purposes of telephone or other telecommunication services complementary.

Unlike of the basic (elements necessary to establish a basis for communication), which falls short before, preliminary and are instrumental in any communication, called elements of traffic (functional elements of communication), as the elements of such content, already has to do directly with the Commission, either on their identificabilidade, either on the content of the message itself or communication.

The elements or functional data (traffic) required or produced by the establishment of the link through which a communication concrete, with certain content, is operated or transmitted, are the origin, destination and route. These elements functionally necessary to the establishment and management of communication identify, or identifying the communication: when preserved, facilitating the identification of communications between the issuer and the recipient, date, time, the frequency of connections made

Thus vital elements already inherent in the communication, as they will identify in real time or after the event, users, the direct relationship between them over the network, the location, frequency, the date, time and duration of communication, should join the guarantees that are subject to use the service, especially all that respects the confidentiality of communications.

It makes sense that is the subject of secret information that lets you know who talked to whom and the circumstances in which time these conversations took place and the time it took and the frequency with which it happened.

Finally, the elements of content - data on the actual content of the message, the correspondence sent by the use of the network. Having to do with the content, the protection and guarantee against any intrusion, interception or deciphering the message by unauthorized person is a core element of users of the system - and is obliged to ensure the operators, so rigorous, using all technical means , The secrecy of communications services.

It can not fail to take into account that the confidentiality of correspondence and telecommunications raises security firm, entered, first in the constitutional text.

Indeed, according prevented in paragraphs 1 and 4 of art. 34. Thereof, the CRP, the home and the confidentiality of correspondence and other private means of communication are inviolable, and prohibited all the interference of public authorities in correspondence, telecommunications and other media, saved the cases provided by law in matters of criminal prosecution.

The prohibition of interference includes the freedom of sending and receiving correspondence and the prohibition of detention or seizure, as well as interference, which extends not only to public entities but also, and a fortiori, to private entities.

The restrictions are thus allowed only in criminal proceedings and are also subject to law (Article 18. Article 2 and 3) and can only be decided by a judge (Article 32. Article 4).

The matrix constitutional forms, in this thematic area, marked by the contingency of solutions to the ongoing conflict between the unstoppable technological progress and the values inherent in the human person that are always, like a right to speak and communication, corollary of the right to freedom individual.

The guarantee of confidentiality covers not only the content of the letter, but the traffic as such (species, time, duration, intensity of use).
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Under the requirements of paragraph 4 of that art. 34. Thereof, the right to secrecy of telecommunications involves the ban on devassa of its content and its disclosure by those who have access to them, including the employees of telecommunications services, who runs a duty of professional secrecy, as a guarantee of the right to secrecy of the same telecommunications, which may not be infringed.

This item is all the more relevant constitutional as a matter of criminal prosecution for exceptions to the inviolability of telecommunications are not the rule, or rather, are counter-rule. Indeed, in ordinary law stands, even in matters of criminal procedure, the interference in telecommunications is only allowed in cases of the type of crime correspond to the legal catalogue of crimes whose seriousness and social relevance of social peace that allows interference (see Art. 187. of the CPP).

It has been well in sight, with the prohibition of speech interference, safeguarding the freedom to communicate and a ban on intervening in it.

Hence, in fact, reflecting the growing prominence and sequente protection in shaping those fundamental values such as the Penal Code has charged conduct violation, namely the right of citizens to the statement aside, the secrecy of communications.

Indeed, under the heading of crimes against reserve of privacy, or the devassa of privacy or a violation of correspondence and telecommunications, are typically illegal behavior - art. 192. º and 194. Of the PC.

The secrecy of telecommunications is thus tend absolute, giving only the cases provided by law on criminal procedure, that is, as a means of acquiring evidence.

The security of the reserve of privacy results also ban the use of evidence obtained in violation of the secrecy of privacy.

For the prosecution to C.R.P. provides in art.32. Article No. 8, which "are void all evidence obtained through torture, coercion, harm the physical or moral integrity of the person, improper intrusion into private life, at home, in correspondence or in telecommunications" .

The art.126., Paragraph 3 of the Code of Criminal Procedure considers, in turn, that 'except as otherwise provided by law, are also void and can not be used, the evidence obtained by intrusion into privacy, with home, in correspondence or in telecommunications without the consent of its owner.

With technological progress, the inviolability of the media and private telecommunications secrecy increasingly linked with the data processing elements or by the side of users involved, in their dealings with telecommunications service providers.

Thus the art. . 4, paragraph 1 of Law No. 41/2004, from August 18, which transposes into national law Directive No. 2002/58/EC of the European Parliament and the Council of June 12 Concerning the processing of personal data and the protection of privacy in the electronic communications sector, states that "companies that offer networks and electronic communications services or to ensure the inviolability of communications and traffic data by means of public communication networks and electronic communications services accessible to the public "and is" forbidden to listen, the installation of listening, storage or other means of interception or surveillance of communications and related traffic data by third parties without the prior express consent of users, except in cases provided for by law "(2).

Paragraph 3 of Article stipulates, however, that "the provisions of this Article shall not prevent the legally authorized recordings of communications and the related traffic data, when carried out under lawful business practice, done for the proof of a transaction commercial or any other communication made under a contractual relationship since the data subject has been informed and given their consent. " And the No. 4 also authorizes the recordings of communications to and from public services to provide emergency situations of any kind.

In modern transmission systems, registration of personal data on the telephone traffic and billing is done by the corresponding operator of the service at the end of phase dynamics of the flow of dialogue or communication (see, if Portuguese, Articles 6 and 7 of Law No. 41/2004, August 18).

This registration is intended first and foremost to recover from the customer, but can serve for researchers to find items stored in databases on the authors of the communication, the time that was done, the place, the volume and duration of telephone traffic . In such cases, the communications are made, the data shows only the existence or the historical flow of dialogue, that is, the earlier phase dynamics.

The "traffic data" are now defined in art.2. Thereof, al. d) of Law No. 41/2004, from August 18, as "any data processed for the purpose of sending a communication through an electronic communications network or for the billing it", stating paragraph 2 the art.6. thereof, of this law some of the elements that are part of that concept.

While the data, connecting to the network, are preliminary and instrumental elements of any communication, which are subject to secrecy if the user has requested a confidentiality regime in the service of telecommunications, data traffic are already elements inherent in the communication , Allowing real-time or post identify users, the direct relationship between them over the network, the location, frequency, the date, time and duration.

Users are not only subscribers who have a contract with telecommunications services, as others that have electronic linkage with the number of subscribers.

Law No. 41/2004, still treats the location information that defines [art. . 2 No. 1, alin. e)] as "any data processed in an electronic communications network that indicate the geographical location of the terminal equipment of a subscriber or any user of an electronic communications service accessible to the public."

Knowledge of data revealing the so-called "mobile location" of the phone of a particular individual shows him on the physical journey that it did - or is doing - or reveals their mobility or stay in one place. In other words, the "mobile location" reveals, through the observation of its connection to the mobile telephone network, the location of the owner of a telephone set. Learn the location cell "has the same view evidence and the same effectiveness of a traditional surveillance by police officers on a particular individual, even though the latter may be more intrusive (to allow anyone to place collect more information, particularly concerning the privacy of the person under surveillance) that the so-called "mobile location."

The Attorney General's Office, in its opinion No. 21/2000 (DR, Series II, August 28) in completing 2. Rd, expressed his understanding that the investigation phase of the information, ".. . when attaching to traffic data or the data content, can only be provided to the judicial authorities, by telecommunications operators on the terms and the way in which the law of criminal procedure allows the interception of communications, depending on order or authorization of investigating judge (Articles 187. thereof, 190. º and 269. of paragraph 1, point c) of the Code of Criminal Procedure. "

Also Gomes Canotilho and Vital Moreira argue in annotation on art. 34. Of the CRP, which guarantee the right to confidentiality of correspondence and other means of private communication (Nos. 1 to 4) covers all kinds of correspondence from person to person (postal letters, printed), covering the same chances of orders that do not contain any written communication, and all telecommunications (telephone, telegram, fax, etc.).

The guarantee of confidentiality covers not only the content of the letter, but the actual "traffic" as such (species, time, duration, intensity of use). Under the rules of art. 34. Thereof lies the so-called "electronic mail" because the insurance covers the correspondence certainly kept the matches via telecommunications.

The sending of electronic messages from person to person ( "email") meets the conditions of private correspondence. (…) Here the restrictions are allowed only in criminal proceedings (No. 4), and are also subject to law (art.18. Thereof - 2 and 3) and can only be decided by a judge. -- CF. Constitution of the Portuguese Republic Anotada, 2007, vol. I, pp. 544.

The distinction between communications traffic data, and its content is, today's irrelevant, since the Law 41/2004, of August 18, equates the traffic data to the data content for the purpose of ensuring the inviolability of communications. The assimilation of data content, which are the core of the most fundamental communication, and data traffic in order to protect the secrecy of telecommunications subject to obtaining such data to the system of interception and recording of conversations and telephone communications poured in art. 187. Of the Code of Criminal Procedure.
In terms of the criminal process art.269. Thereof No. 1, al. e) of the Code of Criminal Procedure stipulates that during the investigation it is solely to the investigating judge to order or authorize the 'interception, recording or recording of conversations or communications, in accordance with Articles 187. º and 189. ".

The art.187. C.P.P. of the down the admissibility of the interception and recording of conversations or telephone communications, specifying the crimes for which it is possible to carry out bugging. The art.189. Thereof, of the same Code provides for the extension of the scheme provided for in Articles 187. º and 188. Of the talks or communications transmitted by any technical means other than the telephone, including e-mail or other forms of data transmission via telematics, even if they are stored in digital form, and the interception of communications between these.

In other words, it is only possible to intercept electronic communications not telephone the same conditions in which it allowed the conduct of telephone interceptions.

A communication, by its nature is a dynamic reality: vai on one side to another, between a transmitter and a receiver. By definition, while communication can not be saved. If anything, can be saved to register it.

This is the case, for example, with an e-mail. It is a communication networks while travelling in between the computer of origin and destination, but then when it comes to the latter, there is stored in the form of computer file, until it is eliminated.

The short message service (SMS) and multimedia messaging service (MMS) are, respectively, in conveying information in small text messages, and messages with sound, image and video, either through the Internet, either through telephone.

Thus, the data content, such as the content of the messages may be intercepted in real time, with due judicial authorisation and did not belong to ask operators of mobile network operating in Portugal the consignment on digital media (CD or dvd) the content of communications and messages sent and received between certain phones in a given period of the past because, as the Ambassador. Mr Prosecutor - General, embodies such a request on a reality that, from a legal perspective, can never have happened, on pain of possible incursion into criminal responsibility (Article 192. º and 194. Penal Code), who has (have) done or allowed to consummate consumasse.

It is not so much what the order of support of Mr. Judge defendant has said about the hypothetical possibility of such a technique have taken place because the technical possibility always exist, but the legal impossibility of the data content of the messages and communications or, if they existed, were subject to registration and recording. Because these can only be achieved by placing prior technical means of interception and recording of the content of the messages in question, which always lack of evaluation of their legality by the investigating judge, either in terms of eligibility, either in terms of need , Appropriateness and proportionality.

Nor can the content of messages sent or received possibly through the phones in hand, in the period from the day April 28, 2007 and September 9 of that year, have been subject to interception, registration and recording of any operator , Lacks legal basis, in part, reduced the claim by prosecutors at 1. Rd proceedings and contends that on appeal.

Indeed, the data content of communications or messages conveyed through telephone or between these devices and computers and vice versa, can only be legitimate and lawful interception of communications under ongoing, verified the requirements prevented in art. 187. Of the CPP.

So - without further lengthy considerations - it is said to be that the appeal must be dismissed.


9. Given the above, to judge rejected the appeal by the prosecutor, while maintaining a consequence, the order.

There are owed fees.

(Success by computer and read and reviewed by the rapporteur)

Evora, 2008.04.29
Fernando Ribeiro Cardoso

mandarinn said...

AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
I can't breath... in Casa Pia case somethi g similar was allowed

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys. I'm back but not for long.
The refusal to come is revealing and I hope it is talked about all over the world.

mandarinn said...

I feel a shiver... only thinking how sinister things was tapas10 doing to need such a secret

Joe said...

These people can run across to Washington and Brussels re missing children but cannot go to PDL with regard to their own child?


If the case advances no further then the PJ can cite the spineless Tapas 9/10 as having refused to assist and may the shame stay with then for as long as they live. All talk, blah blah until it comes to action. Enjoy their pathetic lives.

Ana said...

In Portugal the judiciary forces can only hear calls after a judge authorisation and in real time!
In this case and considering that, at the time, the PJ thought that maybe “abduction” had occurred they never asked!
When they start considering the possibility of the “parents” involvement it was too late, because the police can lot listen past calls or past messages.
If the judge allowed such calls or messages to be used in a court of law, the judgement could be at risk as their lawyers would ask to cancel it.

I am not a lawyer, but that is my interpretation, could be wrong!
But let me tell something, I am almost sure that PJ has all this messages already only that can not use it!
Simple as that!

Cláudia said...

Joe, whatever happens, they will have to live in this planet...

Joe said...

These spineless individuals have been on TV countless times telling us about abduction,over and over, so confident that that was what happened.

So why did they not go to PDL then if this is what happened? Many people will now see what this lot are made of and what they are really about.

Joe said...

Claudia/Ana,

It is probably a legal technicality that has allowed the non use of the messages due to the status of the case initially and actions re phones cannot be given retrospectively it appears. It speaks volumes that McCann did not divulge the name of this other person or has this person come forward either. I hope the truth comes out one way or another because it looks like it is not going to the legal pathway.

Cláudia said...

Joe, I've been saying that for months now. The truth will out, one way or another. But it may not be the way some expect.

Ana said...

Have you seen this interview?

CNN/2-05-2008

Is just me or Gerry is saying Madeleine abducted and adopted!?
And, what about those laugh!?

Ana said...

Joe,
At the beginning the PJ has asked the McCanns the extract of their phone calls voluntarily, as well the twins to be analysed at a hospital to see if they were sedated, they said NO!
That speaks volumes!

Cláudia said...

In that interview, Gerry aks how people can prove a negative, he states it is not possible to prove they aren't in any way involved in what happened because anyone can smear other people. You know what, Gerry, it's true, anyone can smear anyone. However, parents of a missing child should certainly be more worried about finding her and what happened to her than concerned about what people say and think. As for proving a negative, Gerry, you know, there is a very simple way to start doing that. What about doing EVERYTHING to help authorities, Gerry? What about answering ALL questions, Gerry? What about returning to the place where your daughter went missing, Gerry, when authorities ask you, after you stated for the whole world to see that you would return as soon as requested? What about starting there, Gerry? What about not sorrounding yourselves by PRs, spin doctors, and double teams of lawyers both in Portugal and in the UK, some of them specialists in extradition matters, Gerry? What about getting on a plane as soon as it is reported your daughter has been seen somewhere in this God's world, Gerry? What about not planning an anniversary event almost a year ahead, Gerry? What about staying with your children instead of leaving them to meet your friends, Gerry? What about that? You see, proving a negative isn't as hard as you think, Gerry. Unless you're lying, of course. That can make things a bit more complicated.

Ana said...

Well said, Cláudia!
I am sick of them all!

Cláudia said...

Ana, they are vomit inducing.

Ana said...

Indeed, Cláudia, indeed!

Cláudia said...

Poor Madeleine, Ana.

Ana said...

Maybe , she is better now!
With the angels...

Cláudia said...

I hope so, Ana. I really hope so.
Dorme bem, minha linda. Muitos beijinhos.

Ana said...

Vou esperar pelas jornais!
Beijinhos minha querida, dorme bem.:)

Ana said...

Breaking news, Flash!!!!

Correio da Manhã paper is saying that, the Maddie case Is near the end and that the prosecutor will assume the homicide thesis!

Ana said...

Good news, at last!
As soon as possible, I will post the news!:)
Boo Hooo!
Tee Hee!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Ana.
It was so quick that I thought I was imagining things. But since you've seen the same... :-)

Ana said...

Yes Cláudia, I´ve seen the same, we are not dreaming!

Ana said...

I saw it at RTPN Channel!

Cláudia said...

Oh, I've seen on Sic Notícias but it was very quick and the guy didn't read it so I thought I was imagining! :-)

Cláudia said...

Going to bed now, Ana.
Dorme bem, querida. E tem fé. Nunca se sabe.

Ana said...

Did you see it now?

Ana said...

É isso, nunca se sabe!
Boa noite querida. :)

Cláudia said...

Yes, Ana. I've seen it. And it's also here. At least a little bit! :-)

http://www.correiomanha.pt/Noticia.aspx?channelid=00000009-0000-0000-0000-000000000009&contentid=3A5F1168-23E4-4A64-8DA2-768199E5FAE8

Ana said...

Thank you Cláudia, I was searching the article!

Cláudia said...

Dorme bem.
xxxx

Ana said...

Ciao Hun, boa noite!:)

Ana said...

Correio da Manhã
Not Complete on the online version!


"May 28, 2008 - 00:30 am

Order: McCann Arguidos for death, abandonment and concealment of corpse
Prosecutor takes murder
It is the first court order not covered by the secrecy of justice that assumes that research to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann closing the suspected crimes of murder, exposure, abandonment and concealment of corpses.

Know all the developments of Maddie disappearance case, in the Wednesday edition of the newspaper Correio da Manha."

Unknown said...

Ana, Claudia

Only just logged on, am I reading you right McCanns are to be prosecuted for HOMICIDE

If so FANTASTIC!

Ana said...

Remember this report by 24 Horas paper?



21/04/08
McCanns Risk Ten Years in Jail

Public Ministry prepares an accusation for Exposition/Abandonment and Negligence against Maddie's parents

...there are strong evidences that she died in the apartment...


"The Public Ministry has collected enough evidence to accuse the McCanns even if there is or not a re-enactment of the facts that occurred in the day the girl went missing". The guarantee was given to 24Horas by a judiciary officer who has been following the investigation. The same source added that the indictment might only take place in July and that the McCanns can incur in a penalty "that can go up to 10 years in jail". Another source connected to the case concluded: "We know that the girl disappeared and there are strong evidences that she died in the apartment, apparently in an accidental way. There are also strong probabilities that her corpse was hidden. Nonetheless, independently from that, there is clear proof under the Portuguese Legislation that the parents of the child left her exposed to an eventual kidnapping, like they did with her twin siblings. That is a crime of Negligence and Exposition/Abandonment over people they had the duty to protect.

Ongoing Investigations

Contacted by the 24Horas, Guilhermino Encarnação, the assistant director of the Judiciary Police and the very person in charge of the Directorship of Faro, merely said: "the investigations continue and when there is something relevant to reveal" about the mediatic case "that will be done through the official channels".

A source from Portimão's Court assured to 24Horas that the Public Prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes, the responsible for the administration of the inquest, is already working in the accusations against the McCanns and that will be made public "very soon". That is, the probability for the McCanns to stop being arguidos in the following months is almost null. 24Horas also knows that Robert Murat and his companion [Michaela Walczuch] have strong possibilities of not being implicated in the accusation.

Source:24Horas

Portuguese Judicial Code
Article 138
Exposure or abandonment

1 - Whom endangers the life of another person:
a) By exposing her in a place where the person is subject to a situation which she cannot defend herself from on her own; or

b) By abandoning her in a defenseless state, for motive of age, physical defect or illness, when the agent had the duty to guard, watch or assist to the person;
is punished with a prison term of 1 to 5 years.

2 - If the fact is practised by an ascendant or descendant, adoptant or adoptee of the victim, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 5 years.

3 - If the fact results in:
a) Serious offense to the physical integrity, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 8 years;
b) Death, the agent is punished with a prison term of 3 to 10 years.

Ana said...

It seems like it dear Viv!
We will have to wait to read the full article which is not on-line yet!

Unknown said...

Hiya Ana

So from reading 24 Horas, come what may they are going to be prosecuted for, at the very least exposing her to serious risk of harm, that is extremely good news!

No way are they going to walk away from what they did.

JUSTICE FOR DEAR LITTLE MADDIE AND HER BROTHER AND SISTER!

Unknown said...

Ana

I always found Correio more reliable than 24 Horas and I just cannot wait to read Correio!

Viv x

Ana said...

At least four crimes here:

Murder
Exposure
Abandonment
Concealing body

Ana said...

Viv,
24 horas is a tabloid but that doesn’t mean their reports are not accurate.
All our politicians love it, all the scandals are there, and they buy it religiously!:)

Ana said...

Nite dear Viv, I am off now !

Beijinhos

Unknown said...

Ana, If they can prove murder, God help the McCanns, they would have to be looking at, at least 15 years!

Serves them right and what a great way to protect other children by sending these two down! Any other rotten UK parents better think again!

Luv Viv x

Unknown said...

Nite Ana

Perhaps then 24 Horas is like our News of the World, sometimes it is true, always it is scandolous, its sources are many and may well include the lieing ~Clarence Mitchell, so learn to read between the lines and believe only want you can verify or want to believe!

Nite Nite Hun

I am really thrilled about news coming from a number of sources now in Portugal which means it is true!

Luv Viv x

marga said...

What a frustration they must feel by now after a year full of diverting tactics in this MCGame...
no wonder they were desperate to know the evidence the PJ have against them. I bet this reconstruction was the last oxygen the PJ offred them. The other 5 Tapas are going to colaborate with the PJ. I'm positive about that . Now it is a question of saving their skin if the charge is murder.

Rest in peace little girl.

marga said...

I meant the other 3 Tapas..

Unknown said...

Hiya Marga

What you say about 5 of the TAPAS collaborating with the police does make complete sense. It is the only way they can come out of this unscathed ! My own view is Tanner, OB and quite possibly Mr Payne just got themselves in too deep to find a way back out!

In view of the fact Gerry and Kate have quite recently adopted Tanner's account and stated Madeleine got taken at 9.15 not 9.40 suggests she persisted in her lies. She should be looking at jail too for that and as for OB, absolutely never was any way out, was there! However, if he wants to start telling the truth, as he may have done, it could mitigate things for him..I think he probably tried to save Madeleine but she could not be, so then he helped to cover up the crime. There can be only one sentence for that IMO, it just has to be a custodial one.
Viv x

ratonthebeam said...

Good morning all - I am ere on a flyer!

Please take a moment to watch this video which is very powerful....

.....and the "Homicide" allegations are also in todays CDM.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/537/cdmyo9.jpg


I don't think it's online yet though, just the hard copy so far.

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