11 May 2008

HOURLY, NOT HALF HOURLY CHECKS - JILL RENWICK

Gerry's photoshopped fake where he adds Madeleine, aged approximately 3 not 4 years and see below for Docmac's photoshopped version..where at least the face is aged 4. Rather spooky but shows how easy it is!
Docmac spent 5 minutes photoshopping up to date facial image of Madeleine (from the tennis balls pic) onto that fake picture, just to show how easy it it..he even messed around with hair and shadows et voila!



HI All I do think it is helpful to look back because the McCanns change tack so much. In October the psychologist, Corner, Philomena and Gerry gave an interview to Vanity Fair where he admitted there was only a very slim chance of finding Madeleine. Miraculously, months later, this has now become a very good chance. I would be interested to learn why everyone took part in this with the exception of Kate McCann, did she feel she just could not pull it off, so soon after being named an Arguida but Gerry was not going to let that bother him. After all he needed to fight right back and carry on making lots of cash. Strange though that Oprah Winfrey's offer to go on her show in June 07 never got accepted, that would have been a lot of cash but perhaps did not fulfill Gerry's other requirement - that he writes the script.

The whole of this article confirms that Kate and Gerry McCann sat all night ringing their friends and family including Corner the media man.. telling them they left the door locked and the shutters got trashed and the window jemmied. Clarence Mitchell subsequently was forced to admit there was no sign of any break in and of course the McCanns quickly changed their story to make themselves look even more negligent, better that than admit killing Madeleine, they figure. Negligence one can negotiate with the police, murder or manslaughter...non-negotiable!

What I find really interesting about this article is the comments of Jill Renwick a woman the McCanns had worked with at a Scottish Hospital 10 years previously. Well how odd to give her a call at 3 am to tell her their daughter got abducted! I have never been able to figure out why Gerry made a check at 9 when it seems patently clear to me they made checks every hour, not every half hour. Gerry is the sort of person who would very much be influenced by the clock, he needs set routines, order and control, and as we know, is never seen without his watch on. Following what happened the previous night as Kate says they were going to keep a closer eye on their children, what by checking them every hour instead of leaving them to cry all night! Jill very plainly says they went out about 8 NOT 8.30 and so checked at 9 and then again at 10, every hour on the hour! Wilkins partner says he saw Gerry around 8.30, I think he went back to do some work, after some of the others arrived so he could leave Kate, otherwise she would have been alone, as they arrived early. I recall the way he slyly said, there was only one couple there when we arrived and then they left so we were on our own..maybe they needed another drink. I am wondering whether he did a 9 pm check at all or whether he was missing most of the evening (in between 8.30 and 9.30) until he returned to the table at 9.30 and called a woman over to prove he was there... confident in the knowledge O'Brien has taken over for him and of course keeping in touch with all those texts to co-ordinate matters, again typical Gerry, everything had to be precisely timed and got right. The abduction was originally "timed" to take place in between 9.30 and about 9.45 and this is the time Gerry gives in Panorama (before the end November strategy meeting at the Rothley Hotel which would be bug free guys) hence he had to make sure he was back at the table when "it" took place so he could not be implicated. I knew I was not mistaken in being confused whether Jane was supposed to be just going out or going back to do a check because there are two different versions for this also. I have read tonight, at 9.30 she was rushing out to meet her friends. The preferred version they finally seem to have settled on now is that Tanner went back to do a check at 9.15 and that is when Madeleine was taken. Maybe silly Tanner told Police the wrong time in the first place and she had to stick to that.. Given the police have all these contradictory versions of where they were and what the time was it is little wonder they want them to do a reconstruction and pin them down to what they are now saying. I wonder why they are now sticking with Tanner's version, and contradicting the time he gives in Panorama, it seems to me the woman must have been foolish enough to stick to her guns on this when interviewed and given no one else can corroborate her sighting no one can actually call her a liar, can they? Well I will:-) I think the trouble is with them having all this time to get their stories straight that is exactly what it looks like, and no doubt what the police were banking on. If you know you are in trouble and one lie you have told can be proved to be a lie, you just on and tell another one, desperately seeking to get out of trouble, that is if you are a lying criminal, desperate to get yourself out of a lengthy spell in jail and proceeds of crime stripped from your bank accounts... not something either of them would relish given all the effort they went to amass a nice little fortune. Shame they could not go ahead with the film, Prosecutor/Judge/ PJ's just extended their arguido status for another three months! How annoying for them!

Viv x

From The Times
May 5, 2007
Parents checked sleeping child every half-hour - but still she was abducted
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David Brown in the Algarve and Rajeev Syal
A desperate search for a three-year-old British girl continued last night after she disappeared from an upmarket beach resort in Portugal while her parents dined near by.
Despite their half-hourly checks on her as she slept, Madeleine McCann went missing from her parents’ rented holiday apartment in the Algarve on Thursday night as they ate tapas only 50 yards away.
Relatives claimed that she had been abducted from the Ocean Club resort, run by the holiday company Mark Warner, in the seaside village of Praia da Luz.
Her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, both 38-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, were being comforted last night by friends and consular officials.
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Resorts are popular because of childcare facilities
Madeleine, known as Maddy, vanished after being left to sleep between her brother and sister, two-year-old twins.
Mr McCann and his wife, who was clutching Madeleine’s pink teddy bear to her chest, made a public appeal last night for the return of their daughter.
Mr McCann said: “Words cannot describe the anguish and concern we are feeling at the loss of our daughter Madeleine. We now request that if you have any information about Madeleine’s disappearance, no matter how trivial, contact the Portuguese police so we can have her back. Please, if you have Madeleine, let her come back to mummy, daddy and her brother and sister.”
The family have moved to another apartment 150 yards from the one from where their daughter is said to have been taken.
The McCanns went to Portugal last Saturday with a group of eight couples, friends said. Mr McCann, a cardiologist, and his wife, a GP, went out for a meal at a tapas bar within the complex at 8.30pm on Thursday, leaving Madeleine sleeping between Sean and Amelie, the twins. The couple checked on their children every half an hour and ensured that the doors were locked, it was said.
The resort offered a crãche service but the McCanns chose to leave the children sleeping at the apartment, taking turns to check on them. Between their checks at 9.30pm and 10pm, the apartment was broken into through a window and Madeleine was taken, according to her aunt. Trish Cameron, Mr McCann’s sister, from Dum-barton, near Glasgow, said it appeared that someone had been spying on Madeleine and had targeted her for abduction.
“The front door was open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jemmied open and Madeleine was missing,” she said. “Nothing had been touched in the apartment, no valuables taken, no passports. They think someone must have come in the window and gone out the door with her.”
Police were called at 10.20pm as Madeleine’s parents became increasingly anxious. Soon, fellow guests were notified. About 60 staff and holidaymakers searched until 4.30am, while police notified border police, Spanish police and airports.
Three police vans and three police cars were at the scene as officers searched the family’s apartment. Others searched the beach 200 yards away.
Specialists fingerprinted the windowsill of the apartment. Sniffer dogs were brought in by Portuguese detectives and unconfirmed reports indicated that Madeleine’s scent had been picked up.
The resort caters for 1,000 holidaymakers and is set in lush subtropical gardens. It is made up of self-catering villas and apartment blocks and has several bars and restaurants.
John Hill, the manager at Ocean Club, said that reports that the flat had been broken into had yet to be confirmed.
But Jill Renwick, a family friend, told GMTV that the McCanns were certain that Madeleine had been abducted.
“They were just watching the hotel room and going back every half-hour and the shutters had been broken open and they had gone into the room and taken Madeleine,” she said. “They went out about 8, went back in at 9, they were fine, went back in at 10 and she was gone.”
Ms Renwick said that it was the McCanns’ first holiday of this sort. “They are very, very anxious parents and very careful, and they chose Mark Warner because it is a family-friendly resort.”
A spokesman for Mark Warner, which has run the resort for two years, said that looking after the McCanns was their priority. “If necessary, the company will fly other family members out to the Ocean Club. We are all hoping that she is asleep under a bush somewhere and we will find her soon,” he said.
Guests are being asked if they saw anyone acting suspiciously in the area, he said, adding that Mark Warner had never had cases of missing or abducted children before.
He said that Mark Warner offered a baby-sitting service. “Those facilities were available but, for whatever reason, they were not being used,” he said. Another spokeswoman for Mark Warner said that in the Algarve, unlike most of their resorts, the company did not supply a “room listening” service, where nannies regularly listen at the door of sleeping children.
John Stephen Buck, the British Ambassador to Portugal, travelled to the Algarve yesterday, as did Craig Mayhew, Mark Warner UK operations director, and a counsellor. The McCanns remain at the police station in Portimão, helping police to piece together what has happened.
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokesman said that the Serious Organised Crime Agency was liaising with British and Portuguese police. He added that two officials from the British Consulate in Portimão were with the family.

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Anonymous said...

Good morning all,

Viv,

Many thanks for posting the two pics together. Only my opinion, it is the same child at different stages in her life. Her face looks thinner in Docs pic, a little child starting to mature.

Claudia,

I hope you do not mind me posting some of your words from last night. I agree with you.

'If your 3 year old daughter and your two 2 year old twins are not more important than a meal and drinks with friends, than you are abusing you children. I do believe Madeleine was a very unfortunate child. I believe the McCanns are selfish, irresponsible, crappy parents who never deserved being blessed with Madeleine, Sean and Amelie. I believe that if they were Portuguese they would be in court by now and that Social Services would be taking measures to protect the twins. I find teir attitudes and behaviours disgusting and I do not have one bit of compassion for them. I have been saying for many months now that if it was up to me they would do jail time because of the neglect alone, especially because they never had the decency to admit that what they did was a criminal act. Yes, neglect is a crime and they know it well. Leaving your children alone night after night to meet the group of friends you are so much into is desrespecting and abusing them. That has always been my opinion and it will never change, no matter how many insults and threats will be thrown at me.'

Claudia, I believe it was also the catalyst to the situation Madeleine may or may not find herself in now. If the Mac's had respected their 3 children, their eldest child would be at home in Rothley today an excited little girl celebrating her 5th Birthday.

Happy Birthday Madeleine wherever ever you are.

Nikki,

Lovely poem written by a child. Thanks for posting it today.
As for the Blog, I am not surprised.

Gina,

Have a lovely time with your family in New England. We spent some time in Bar Harbour, Rhode Island and then onto Boston in Oct 06. it was fab. Arcadia National Park was breathtaking. Oo, Gina I am jealous, in a nice way though.

Atardi,

Your mix up with drops reminded me of a mix up we had recently. My husband wears contacts and he had an irritation in his eyes, the Optician gave him drops and told him to wear glasses until it cleared up. I adminstered the drops for him. One day after doing so, I looked at the little dropper bottle and said 'Oh! that is not your eye drops bottle, you have given me the wrong one' my husband jumped up in panic. I got my glasses to read what was in the bottle 'Oh my Gaawwwd! it is super glue you plonker' I said hysterically. He ran and tried to clean his eyes with cold water (as if that would do anything) then realised I was PMSL, it was only contact lense cleaner. Tee Hee!

LittleGreyCell said...

Hello Everyone,

Just looking in but have to go out imminently.

Niki,

The thing that strikes me as odd in the last paragraph of Gerry's blog is his complete assumption that Madeleine is still alive. This comes across as more than just hope. And it's strange.

Surely by now, anyone in his position would be losing hope, and with no evidence of her whereabouts, nor any claim on the huge reward being offered for her return, would have come to terms that perhaps the worst that could have happened to Madeleine had happened?

I find the 'given' that she is still alive very weird in the circumstances.

Just a thought.

Must dash!

See you later.



This

Ecolab said...

LittleGreyCell

I must admit, it sounds a little weird. As if they had tucked her up somewhere?:"We will do everything to try and ensure Madeleine does not spend another birthday separated from her family.".....but we do know, The Mccanns, as the least, are very weird, selfish, limelightlovers, greedy and negligentives!

ratonthebeam said...

Huh - here's a very smelly anecdote for you....

My daughter gets eczema at the backs of her knees sometimes, and we have to get cream from the Doctor. It comes in a green and white tube and you have to keep it in the fridge. Well, one morning, when we had all slept in and were running a bit behind, I ended up slapping garlic paste onto her knees instead. Of course by the time we washed it off again, we were even more behind and she still smelled of garlic for the rest of the day.

Funny enough, it seemed to help the eczema, though :-)

ratonthebeam said...

AND that blog made me SOOOOOO mad... the man really is a reptile of the highest order.... we sit reading through all this sh*t about donations and funds and phone numbers and campaigns, and then at the end, the VERY VERY END, there is a three line paragraph about Madeleine!!! Shouldn't that paragraph have been written FIRST?

And even most of THAT is about how it affects KATE AND HIM!!!!

That poor wee soul was never more than an afterthought to that evil pair. And now she's a moneymaking afterthought as well. It's disgusting.

ratonthebeam said...

Gina, just read your post about hacking and outing.

Well, I actually did it once(a legal "hack")and the Police actually did catch a previously unknown paedophile, with a large number of kiddie porn photos on his hard drive.

He had been downloading them from a server in Denmark and bouncing his IP address of a few proxies to try and disguise his tracks. But the Police still caught him.

I am not sorry I shopped him. I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Anonymous said...

ROTB,

Garlic paste. LOL!

Just had a look at some youtube videos posted on 3 A's. Very interesting, very similar, IMHO.

Part 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=gC2UeC6b1Nw
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Ndms1jcGQ&NR=1
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IerI_cFI00w&NR=1
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ0580xMI0Y
Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo3k0sqeMhk
Have a look if you have time.

Although I dont have the time and
I am still watching, only on part
3.

Cláudia said...

Hello, everybody!

Gina, have fun. Hope I'll read you soon.

Wizard, of course I don't mind. Today would be a wonderful day for Madeleine if she had been born to responsible, intelligent and proper parents.

nancy said...

Gina -

Have a great time with your family in the States.

I hope the weather is kind for your stay.

Look forward to seeing you when you come back.

At least you are getting away from the rotten weather in the Costa Blanca at the moment.

Love Nancy xx

Ecolab said...

Zodiac
Thanks for the links on the Sabrina Eisenberg case. I`m all swetty - so many resembles. Even the words on the script were the same....and the historic!

*Find the body, and prove we did it*

The difference, as I see it is: That The Mccannan really did abandon their children night after night. The neglience part.

Unbeleaveble. Now I know from where G. & K. got the script!!

Anonymous said...

Ecolab,

It looks like they have certainly done their homework. Did you notice the yellow ribbons in the video and the oh so bad acting, cringe worthy perfomances from the parents in both cases. I now understand why the PJ need everything to be water tight.

Ecolab said...

Are there ribbons too......O My Good Lord - have mercy on their soles.


Is it possible for you to script some of their statements, both the Eisenberg and the mcCann,and put them side by side? I would love to do it, but I wount be finished at this side of Cristmas!

The similar statements synoptic set up?

This is hot stuff. Viv should be told.
Maybee we all could split the 5 videos between 5 people. It is a great work?

Anonymous said...

Ecolab,

The American parents even publised a phoney photograph. They publised one of their older daughter Monica at 5 months claiming it was Sabrina.
Wonder why?
The videos discussion thread on 3 A's below:

http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12712

dolores said...

Zodiac,
The tapes were fascinating,the similarity's are unbelievable.
The police saying it's one in a thousand children who are abducted by a stranger,and that most disapearences ar harm to a child is done by the mother.
They say even hiring a defence attorney is a surely a sign of guilt,and looks suspicious in the eyes of the public.
Thanks for sharing the tapes with us.

Ecolab said...

Zodiac.
They posted a wrong picture, because they did`nt suppose anyone to tell the difference?
Some sieblings do look very much alike as babyes, but even now I can tell the difference between my 3 boyz (two of them 2 egged twins) I could NEVER make a mistake. As babyes people could mistake my twinboys.A nanny once put them in the wrong crib! I could even smell the difference in the dark.Well I let them sleep!

Ecolab said...

Have I heard this before?

"M. AISENBERG: We need Sabrina home. She needs to be with me and her father, her sister Monica, her brother William. We love her very much and need her to come home. We don't care who you are. We just want you to do the right thing. Look inside yourself, please, and drop her someplace safe and call someone and help them to come and get her so that she can come home to us. "

Anonymous said...

Ecolab 13.31pm,

I thought those words were familiar also. Uncanny.

Unknown said...

Hello everyone

zodiac

Thank you for the YT links.
Amazingly familiar.

J J said...

Claudia
I've left a message for you on your PJ site.

Stella said...

Zodiac

Where did you find those links. I just could not believe what I was seeing. Far, far to many similarities for my liking. But what really got me going was yet again the amazing non-drip tears. How do these women go through the expression and the whining without shedding one single tear, I just do not understand.

You know, when you hear stories of how some have been convicted on just one very minute spec of evidence, and yet with this case and that of the Jonbennet case, you wonder what on earth is going on.

As I have said before there needs to be a points system where evidence is concerned. The more evidence they have, however small, it all adds up to the overall total of a points assesment. This would at least ensure a conviction of some kind, even if it is only for a few years.

In the Aisenberg case, they even had the Father on tape saying he did not mean to harm her, Oh please, with todays technology they could have cleaned that recording right up to digital quality to let the court hear it as plain as day. Obviously it was 11 years ago, but they must have had something better then.

How many more children will suffer in this way?

nancy said...

testing

Ecolab said...

nancy

Problems?

nancy said...

Zodiac - 2nd try!

Thanks for the links to the 5 videos on the 3 arguidos.

Fascinating case and in my opinion, an exact replica of the McCann case, with the exception of the McCanns leaving their children, on several occasions, while they went out for the evening.

Yellow ribbons, solicitors hired, media intervention, it's all there, even trying their hand at going to a local office that specialised in searching for lost children. It seems almost as though the McCanns got some very good ideas from that case, just as Sabrina's parents may have got that idea from the case of the two little boys being murdered by their mother. What tragic cases, and if you didn't know it was true you wouldn't believe parents could be that devious, especially when you look at photos of their children seemingly looking so well looked after. It just breaks your heart.

One thing all three women have in common is that their supposed tears were so false it wouldn't take an expert to work out that they were faking it! I've never believed that Kate McCann shed real tears on camera! And Gerry definitedly didn't!!

I managed to see parts 1-4 but unfortunately couldn't get part 5 to work. Can you let me know what happened at the end - I know the parents were overheard by hidden devices listening to their conversations, but did they go to prison in the end? Thanks!

It's like watching a film and missing out on the end!!


Nancy x

nancy said...

ecolab -

Yes it often wont take my password - don't know why! I sometimes have to go and register all over again!

Nx

Ecolab said...

Nancy
Try this one


Part 5

nancy said...

Hi Stella -

Doesn't that case just make you think it's a re-run of the McCanns? Who knows if K&G might have seen that at some time and decided to go for it, knowing that they would make a nice little fortune! Of course, they would have to be really naive to do that but it just seems too much of a coincidence to me! How could that father have hurt that dear little baby. I missed the last video so don't know what happened to the couple, or if the baby's body was ever found.

I hope you are enjoying all that lovely sunshine while here in Alicante it's very cool!! I supposed we should make the most of it because in July and August it's too hot for my liking!!

Nancy x

Stella said...

The only real tears I have ever seen from these two was from Gerry, 4 months after the event on the day they landed back in the UK. Those were real tears in his eyes, and it was from pure emotional relief at being back on safe ground and he knew it. Saved from prison caused that little shower...

nancy said...

Ecolab -

Thanks for the link which I managed to get up but unfortunately there's no sound!! Never mind I'll watch it anyway!

Nancy x

Ecolab said...

Dear Viv.

I think you should take a look at theese five you Tube videos

Sabrina Aisenberg November1997 / Madeleine Mccann May 2007:
Identical fairy tales – Identical Script ?

part 1

part 2

part 3

part 4

part 5

the3arguidos

Stella said...

Nancy, Hi

The case got thrown out of court, you would not beleive it.

We are still having lots of sun here, which is very nice. I know the heat in Spain in July and August can be very tiring, I hope you have a nice pool to sit in :-)

Stella said...

Have to dash, will not be back on until tomorrow, bye all...

hope4truth said...

Poor Madeleine should have been celebrating her 5th Birthday today instead she is still missing and the spin surrounding her continues.

I am not a hateful person and I certainly do not hate the McCann’s whatever happened to Madeleine whether they were involved or not is tragic for them and the rest of their family and I can understand why their family have leapt to their defence in such a huge way and have done all they can to support them. The family know them better than anyone.

It does surprise me that the defence has been so unwavering for them if I had done as they had my family would be there for me but I can’t think of a single member of my family who would not be saying from day one that I was wrong to leave them alone. In fact I myself would have been so distraught that as a result of my selfish actions one of my precious children were missing.

This is the reason I don’t believe in abduction. Not because I am bitter and twisted and want them to suffer but because of their actions once she had gone. Their behaviour just was not normal the huge scale of press and TV from day one media advisors and lawyers. Perfect hair, make up matching jewellery with coordinating clothes. Jet setting around the world to meet the Pope off to America to discuss missing children jogging sunbathing and twins in the crèche not normal behaviour.

Maybe I am wrong what the hell do I know anyway I am not a physiologist but if a child goes missing do you not cling to your other children and not want to let them out of your sight for a second in case the abductor comes back? The staff in the Crèche at MW did they vet them all and make sure none of them were involved in Madeleine’s abduction?

In the McCann’s shoes I would be looking at every person with me on that holiday trying to work out where they were and when and if any of them were missing for a long time. I would also be looking at the other guests and wondering if they did it along with every other person who was there. Again from the beginning she was in Morroco and it is all the PJs fault.

It has always amazed me how Kate knew she had been taken lifted from her bed and abducted when a child lets go of your hand and in a split second are missing a minute feels like an hour and your run around like a headless chicken but you search everywhere how was she so sure Madeleine was not out looking for them? It was reported a long time ago that Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine crying for a long time and reported it to the MW reception and they had to be brought back from Chaplin’s. I have no idea if this is true or not but then we hear the story that Madeleine asked her parents why they had not come when she was crying the night before. More spin and this spin sickened me as they had thought about taking them that night but decided it was too far. Is this some kind of excuse we are great parents we thought about it but it was to far poor things it would have been cruel to take them with us.

I have just looked at the NOTW pictures and it makes the apartment look worse than I thought it was spread out with another door and if they listened at the patio door the bedroom was not close to it. I was surprised to see it had a kitchen what could be better than lunch out a lunch time and Beans on Toast for tea and early night for the children and a bottle of wine for the parents?

I have no idea how this will end the only outcome for me that would be wonderful is if by some small miracle Madeleine is found it would of course be even better if she was found alive and well. Mark Williams Thomas (who has changed his opinion again and again) said that he thought she had got up and gone to look for her parents and was abducted outside the apartment. Although I don’t believe she was abducted my wish of a unhappy woman who thought she could do a better job and has been treating her like a princess for the last year and may realise soon that she has to go home is the ending I would write if this was a novel unfortunately real life is not that kind.

People think I am an evil scum bag / pervert / Sicko for posting here I am none of those things and as I never have to meet any of these people what they think of me is no big deal. I will never be bullied into not posting I do so because a 3 year old child deserves the truth no matter what that truth may be. A 3 year old child deserves to come top of her parent’s priorities and should never be neglected. If she has been abducted then I feel sorry for the McCann’s as they are responsible for leaving her to her fate but they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. If there was an abductor he will not have a conscience he is a sick individual who will one day burn in hell along with all those who abuse children. But I have to face the fact that a fortune has been paid to find her and millions in reward money has brought no leads what so ever.

Any parent who has lost their child has my sympathy even the McCann’s we all make mistakes but when we make a mistake the only way to show how sorry we are is to admit to it and help other people understand why it is wrong. By spinning this story they have caused me to doubt that they are telling the truth and the fact it has taken a year to admit they were wrong makes me think that they are only interested in saving themselves. Never mind Amber Alert the experts have been looking into this for years and are split to whether it will work or not. They have 2 gorgeous 3 year old children to take care of and they need their parents with them not jetting off around the world. If they want to head a campaign to help children they need to tell people not to leave their children alone make sure that everyone understands what comes naturally to most of us. Children are a gift from God cherished them as time spins by so fast and before you know it they are 18 and would not be seen with you if you paid them.

This gets sadder by the day

Ecolab said...

hope4truth

Nothing to say really....

Some very, very nice and warm words from you. My respect

Di said...

Hi Hope

I have not had much time to post recently,connection problems but also making the most of the fab weather.

When you mention people say you are sick for posting here, I presume you mean the sados on the other site, I don't go there, I don't see the point, they have their opinions and we have ours, sometimes people will never agree and it is best left alone.

I totally agree with your post about K & G jetting off leaving the twins with family or friends, I would not be able to let them out of my site.

Today, I have been to a well known supermarket, and I have to say I was amazed at how many small children were running up and down and the parents were oblivious as to what they were up to.

Maybe I am getting older and cannot tolerate things as much, who knows!!

Di said...

Hope

Typo, sight. :o)

ta ra said...

Ratonthebeam.

'...in a heartbeat...'.

Please do use your expertise every time. No exception.

This is the world weird web; a strange place for 20C folk; a place you can influence for the better, imo.

I hope you use your expertise, and never doubt it.

hope4truth said...

Hello Di

I havent been around much this weekend due to tooth (which is now fixed fingers crossed)...

It is a sad fact that we have to watch our children but the world is full of very nasty people who think they have the right to do as they please with children.

My girls never played out until they started senior school (and althought he oldest is nearly 15 I would still rather keep them in)... Most of the time thought they go out and are back 10 minutes later with a load of friends and either go in the garden or up to their rooms and we only see them when they want drinks and biscuits. I dont care how many come back as I would rather know where they are...

I think re the supermarket it is not age but how you are with your own children what makes me really mad is when a child says Mummy mummy about 6 times and they scream WHAT at them so they ask their question are ignored and then start to say Mummy mummy again and get told to shut up. Do these woman not understand that if they answered on the first Mummy the child would be happy with the answer?

Enjoy the weather see you soon xxx

ta ra said...

Stella, the matter of fact person.

One problem with Gerry's tears of relief: he misunderstood his situation.

There is one national charity in the UK run by the police. It is called 'Child Victims of Crime'.

The McCanns and their supporters fled Portugal... and strolled into the lion's den.

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey.

Di said...

Hope

How true, in my childrens youth it was sleepovers etc., and I have to say they were more at our house than elsewhere. Their friends used to say, oh we much prefer coming here, we have an indoor pool. That said it was a constant worry, making sure everyone was safe!! Always having to ask the parents, can they swim?? but we never left anyone without supervision.

Our children have now left home but do come back on a regular basis with their friends, for the pool no doubt, but who cares, this is a family home and we love seeing them all. Childrens laughter is a wonderful thing!!

Di said...

Leigh

Just read your comments Mmmmmmm very interesting.

ta ra said...

Ta Di.
This is not over til it's over, and it's not over yet...not by a country mile.

Am sad to see people lose heart in honest inquiry; see people conned by cynics.

This is not over, Di. Keep the faith. The faith in true inquiry, however long this takes, whatever it takes, 'whoever it hurts', as our compatriots the PJ put it.

Children need responsible adults, not PR pimps, and other dolts.

Nice to see you making time for this most unfashionable cause. The cause of voteless children, who have no money to attract political support.

Di said...

A reminder from Coldwater on 3As, a respected poster.....




I've been dabbling with my sources again and thought you might all like to hear the distilled information they have imparted to me - (that which I can reveal, obviously).

Firstly I think it important to say that this investigation is nowhere near closure. As many will know, charges will only arrive when the investigation is officially at an end and not before.

Right now the investigation is focusing on May 2nd 10.00pm through to around 10.00pm May 3rd - a 24hr period in which it is now considered several crimes were committed.

The shift in emphasis to May 2nd is primarily due to the significant lack of independent evidence to support Maddy being seen alive during May 3rd by anyone outside of the TAPAS 9 - and even then only Oldfield actually 'saw' her. Maddy was not present at the creche or children's club. She did not eat with the others and there is NO CCTV footage of her anywhere in the complex or PDL at large beyond the afternoon of May 2nd.

It is also deemed of interest that Gerry missed his afternoon tennis session on May 3rd due to an 'Achilles' injury. It was his unannounced absence which actually drew Oldfield to the apartment and not Gerry asking him to check on Kate. Gerry was not present at the tennis courts and Oldfield went looking for him. Gerry was elsewhere entirely. It is now believed that Oldfield did NOT see Maddy during this brief visit.

The theory is now that Maddy died around midnight May 2nd and that her body was concealed in a bag - Gerry's lost/missing/never had one hold all, sports bag no less. It is believed that this bag was stored in another apartment during some part of May 3rd before initial disposal around the mid to late afternoon of May 3rd. The scent of death was well established and the clean up completed during this time frame. The apartment's cleaner was turned away on May 3rd by Kate McCann I am told.

The forensic material examined and the results are strong in places and weak in others. None are conclusive but highly indicative and along with other evidence form a persuasive case. It is no longer considered that Maddy's body was relocated using the Renault Scenic, but that items pertaining to her and taken from her body were removed, hidden in the tyre well and dumped elsewhere.

As previously reported the PJ have the bag Gerry is so keen now to deny all knowledge of. It is a damning piece of the jigsaw, but not the only one and not the best.

CCTV footage from MW's reception proves that the TAPAS 9 were, for the most part, lying about the frequency of their checks. This is considered an attempt by ALL TAPAS 9 to stall any charges of negligence. The investigation team are also aware of the attempt within the May 3rd confusion to blur the actual time and circumstances of Maddy's disappearance.

They all did eat at Chaplin's on May 2nd and they were contacted at Chaplin's by an employee of MW's with regard to the children - specifically the McCann children. This was followed up immediately upon their return to the MW complex.

Further questioning is to take place shortly and will encompass ALL TAPAS 9 elements, plus others. It is now expected that two others will be made or allowed to request Arguido/Arguida status. These two others are seen as complicit in the aftermath of events surrounding Maddy.

Again, as far as my information allows, I can say that there is NO suggestion of pedophile involvement in any way. The DNA of a North European does not mean that this came from semen or that there is any suggestion of sexual abuse. I think we should all sigh with relief over that. There have been errors in translation and information which may have lead some down this murky pathway.

This case is not finished yet and has a way to run. The culprits will not be found in Spain, Portugal or Morocco.

The above has been gleaned and distilled over Christmas from my three friends and sources. I can elucidate on some points but not others.

ta ra said...

Yes, Di.
An excellent reminder. Brilliant. Thank you.
This is not over. Keep the faith - and Press on ;-).

Maybe the world weird web can be useful if people share what they know, what they have read.

ta ra said...

And finally...
Di, remember this: Madeleine Beth McCann, dead aged 3, on May 3rd.

Anytime after midnight is May 3rd. Therein may lie the confusion over May 2nd.

Night time covers 2 dates,not one...as the McCann Machine of media manipulators would try to tell you.

The movements of the Tapas 9/10 are more important than the timeline.

Am peeved now at a reminder of all these lies, so I'll just say this:

Justice for Maddie, and all children, if we make it so. IF is a very big word.

Di said...

Leigh

I keep saying, I do hope you are right, your posts are always matter of fact and interesting.

Sadly, I was talking to a friend in our village the other day, and he said "I have come to the conclusion the McCanns are innocent"

I won't tell you what I replied. However, when we met today he had totally changed his mind but would not tell me why!! interesting, but I don't think it was my influence. I told him the sites to go on and to make his own mind up.

Doggy walks in the future will be interesting. :o))

Off now hopefully will see you all tomorrow.

Enjoy your evening.

Ecolab said...

There IS a sportsbag/tennisbag


You can see Gerry carrying the bag here:

At time 00:06 and time 00:07

A grey & black sportsbag in his left hand.

Gerry carrying his big sportsbag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVpKUyK9whw

Di said...

Leigh

Trust me I will keep the faith.

Justice!!

Enjoy your evening.

ta ra said...

Di,

Everyone has an influence, and that is more important than power, I think.

enjoy your doggy walk. It's a very fine evening in the UK tonight.
x
leigh

ta ra said...

Ecolab,

Maybe this is now a very cynical game now.

The McCanns know what happened to their daughter. They also know they want to escape jail; escape the consequences of their actions.

Their holiday friends also want to escape the consequences of their illegal, immoral neglect of infants.

This is all about proof for court; all immediate parties know what happened. They all know the McCanns and their holiday friends are guilty.

Ecolab: perhaps this is a cynical game played out by educated fools, and their useful idiots.

Just a few thoughts.

I'm not buying their tawdry tale, and neither are you.

hope4truth said...

Di

Hope I have not missed you my battery went flat and I lost my connection when I plugged it back in...

An indoor pool would be a fantastic way to keep the girls in you lucky thing..

We bought a huge blow up pool for the garden a couple of years ago but the probelm with our summer is once it is installed it reverts to winter LOL

I am jealous now LOL xxx

nancy said...

Hello Di -

A very interesting post from Coldwater, who I remember from the DX! Thanks for letting us see that.

Every word is so believable. That nobody saw Madeleine on the 3rd May for instance. The only one, who later changed her story, was the MW nanny. And of course the Tapas lot who in my opinion have lied to save their own necks!

It could be that Gerry and Kate were furious with Madeleine for causing them to go back earlier than they wanted from their night out on the 2nd and something terrible happened to Madeleine then, and I'm sure the PJ's have that in mind too.

Of course, the problem is going to be proving it without a shadow of a doubt, especially as Madeleine's body has not been found.

Of course they cleaned the apartment themselves and that's obviously why they refused the cleaner access.

As for the two people to be given arguidos status, I would hazard a guess that is Tanner and Oldfield, but we will see soon enough I'm sure.

I am pleased that child sexual abuse has been ruled out because that would make it too horrendous to contemplate! If by some chance it had happened there would be no way of proving it without a body anyway.

Myself,I think this was either an overdose, Madeleine herself had an accident while looking for her parents, or Madeleine was killed as a result of drink and rage! Alcohol can sometimes turn normally decent people into savages - that we all know!


Nx

ta ra said...

Hi Nancy and Hope.

I agree: alcohol has played a big part in what happened to Madeleine.

Meanwhile, I am peeved that the McCanns' second rate hired hand Clarence Mitchell has the bare faced cheek to go to Ireland, and court religious feeling.

Dumb, and dumber, he gets. Ireland tolerates the McCanns. Irish media has been most neutral, factual, and inquiring.

When will the McCanns and their second rate PR pimps realise that silence is golden; silence does not mean agreement with their behaviour; silence may mean that they are given a generous moment in time to make amends.

Tsk. These nuisance McCanns and their supporters would try the patience of a Saint.

Ecolab said...

leigh3

It has been cynical from the very first beginning and from then common Damage Control.

Think at the Under Agenda!

the Under Agenda

I see A MeltDown comming, and then there will be Justice for Madeleine!

ta ra said...

Ecolab.
I agree with you. Time and perseverance will deliver justice in this case. The 'Under Agenda' will be unmasked.
I hope you keep writing on the world weird web.

Ecolab said...

leigh3
Yes I will be posting. Though in a week, I will access my new appointment and will not be having so much time as now.


*Justice for Maddie*

ta ra said...

Ecolab,

I hope your new appointment - your dream job that you wanted - goes well. They are lucky to have you.


Perhaps it is better that what you do is given more time than what you say on sites like this.

I look forward to seeing your name when you have the time, however little that may be. Quality is more important than quantity perhaps.

Best wishes to you and yours. Please keep writing, wherever you are.
leigh

Anonymous said...

Link below for RTE The Late Show with CM 9/5/08. Scroll down past Jamie Oliver etc to CM interview last approx 19 mins.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/av_20080509.html?2372128,null,228

ta ra said...

Ta, Zodiac.

ta ra said...

Zodiac,

Every time Clarence Mitchell patronises the public, he condemns his clients to the everlasting status of 'arguido', as the Portuguese would say, or suspects, as we would say.

RTE isn't fooled by the vain fool Clarence Mitchell, I think. Nor is Ireland.

Kate and Gerry: make your true confession; save your immortal souls. Get rid of PR pimps who will rob you of your dignity; your right to choose who you are, for better or worse.

Every Saint has a past. Every sinner has a future.

ta ra said...

And finally,

The opening statement by The Pink One on RTE was dripping with cynicism, and smugness.

Ireland has NOT sent unqualified support to the McCanns. The Pink One knows Ireland has refused to buy his story. Going to Ireland was just his latest sales pitch.

There is no public belief or affection for the McCanns in Ireland - except in the sales pitch of their second rate PR pimp.

nancy said...

Zodiac:

Thanks for the link to the CM interview, but I think I'd rather watch paint dry!!! He really is a sycophant as far as the McCanns are concerned! And it seems to me that he repeats the same old phrases constantly so he must be starting to believe himself now!

Leigh:

I think the fact that the McCanns both have Irish roots has something to do with the neutrality of the Irish!

I also think CM is clutching at any straws he can find because he can sense that the tide is beginning to turn! I hope the PJ's don't renege on their intention to sue him - he needs bringing down a peg or two!

Bring it on PJ's!

Nx

Ecolab said...

Zodiac, thanks

Well, CM is a very polished, smooth, wheedling and insinuating gossipmonger. I can only feel sorry for the man. *Take him away*

ta ra said...

Nancy and Ecolab.
Agreed.

Night night. See you next time. Rest well.

Zzzzzzz !

nancy said...

Goodnight Leigh, Zodiac and Ecolab - must try and get my thoughts away from the McCanns before I finally turn in!

It's amazing how addictive it has become when you think about it!

I hope our interest and thoughts will in some small way help to get justice for Madeleine, whose birthday was today and who wasn't with her family to enjoy it - God bless her wherever fate has taken her!

See you all tomorrow on the world wide web!!

Nancy x

Unknown said...

Goognight all and sorry I have not been able to join you today.

GOD BLESS TO LITTLE MADDIE ON HER BIRTHDAY.

I read Gerry's blog post and see, as ever, he gets around to mentioning her after pushing himself as usual and thanking people for their cash..How very sad x

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