Kate does a Princess Di..when she met the Pope, May 2007...did she think she was mightier and more worthy of attention than him also? These stage managed publicity stunts will forever haunt them .. Recently they have made this complete by "granting an exclusive interview to Hello Magazine"....They really do act like royalty, which is bizarre for a couple who are prime suspects for killing their daughter and disposing of her little body. Princess Diana, apart from her genuinely fantastic looks also had a really genuine love and concern for little children. I read Justice McGuinness had to be restrained from getting Kate to go and visit a Childrens Orphanage....Maybe this childless woman actually could not see anything wrong with Kate and Gerry McCann, until she went to the Police Station with them in September, maybe that was a lightbulb moment for her. We heard she fell out with Gerry and she certainly left in a hurry submitting a massive claim for wages and expenses of course from the Find Maddie Fund. The public helped to pay for all of this...Gerry admitted the criminal M3 have found no evidence but still they are being paid from this fund? For what..disclosing statements to Spanish press and proclaiming the McCanns are innocent?
Kate does indeed look genuinely heartbroken, doesn't she? Well maybe she did not then but 11 months later she does seem to be far more upset, that is very odd. Could it be the police case against her and Gerry, perhaps?
The inconsolable McCanns..in the early days in PDL.. minus the twins, of course, maybe they lost the buggy again..
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Hi all, I wanted to share with you what I think is a very helpful and informative article from Correio de Manha, 1.5.08, which I believe discloses some new and important information we have not previously heard.
Firstly it confirms that a reconstruction has already been done including simulation of what happened whilst the McCanns ate. It is very interesting the PJ reconstructed objects being moved in and out of the apartment. The second step is they now wish to put all the players together, and there are only 9 it is confirmed, not 10 as has been speculated. To date, Kate and Gerry/their friends have failed to confirm whether they will co-operate in this. Clarence Mitchell has stated they will if they can see the point, if it is going to help find Madeleine. In short continue to persist with their own story. They have also sought to demand a crime watch style televised reconstruction using actors. This would completely defeat the purpose of what the PJ have in mind to put the principle actors on the spot and stop telling contradictory stories. It is of course confirmed O'Brien was missing but interestingly asked to have his meal saved, presumably he never got around to eating it..Also contrary to what the McCanns claim, witnesses state they dined at the TAPAS bar every night. One can imagine why they do not want to be further put on the spot about all this...
PJ are concentrating on what happened in the McCanns apartment in between 6.30 and 8 pm when it says the McCanns went out. This is obviously different to what the McCanns claim, recently, I think 8.30 and in Panorama Gerry said they arrived at the TAPAS at 8.40. I think this does lay to rest any speculation about something happening prior to 6.30 on 3 May.
The first recollection of witnesses seems to be that Kate was near the apartment hysterical with a group of women saying Madeleine had been stolen. This seems quite different to Jane Tanner's account, but there again, I never was able to believe that she was back in her apartment being a dutiful mum at the time and had to be told by Rachel that Kate was right outside her apartment going completely hysterical! She never even went and checked on her children at all, judging by what other witnesses say. The women never did. Kate, at 10 pm was the exception to that rule, how very odd!
They were drinking cocktails and were lively. At 9 the meal was served. It is hardly likely this could be the case if Kate and Gerry did not even arrive until 8.40 allowing time for drinks, ordering and food preparation. If the meal arrived at 9, it is all the more odd that at 9.05 Gerry then went and checked the children and spent all that time talking to Wilkins as well, his meal would have been cold! It seems to me the McCanns actually checked their children at hourly intervals e.g. left between 8 and 9 and then left between 9 and 10.
It is of course confirmed the police were not called until 40 minutes later, completely inexplicable given Kate was immediately saying Madeleine had been stolen. I do not buy any suggestion there would have been confusion, Mrs Fenn offered to call but Kate refused and staff obviously can speak English and would have quickly realised what the McCanns wanted them to do, no matter what the language difficulty!
It does sound as though Kate calmly handed Madeleine's documents to the GNR and it was only then it became immediately apparent to them this was actually the mother of the child. Presumably the fit of hysterics had abated by that stage..of course she had an hour to collect herself prior to the GNR arriving at 11 pm. As we know they were not happy and called the PJ who arrived about 1 am.
Contrary to all the wicked fabrications deliberately insulting the Portuguese Police and their professionalism from 2 am PJ were gathering evidence and dealing with the initial hypothesis as suggested by the parents and their friends, that Madeleine had been kidnapped. The McCanns were of course moved out of the apartment to enable them to do so. It was at this stage noted the twins just did not wake up. Gerry has subsequently acknowledged this in Panorama and cynically suggested some predator drugged them, an extraordinary suggestion, but he clearly understands the evidence is against them and has to seek to refute it, no matter how perverse the excuses may sound. Why on earth would a predator who wanted to kidnap Madeleine, hang around to drug her little brother and sister? Any professional would have been in and out in seconds and no professional would have walked off with her in open arms as Jane Tanner suggests. Any professional could have simply walked out the front door with Madeleine and straight into a waiting car, particularly given this was on the other side of the building to the TAPAS restaurant. The bizarre thing is the McCanns have now changed the time of abduction again, in Panorama if I recall it was in between 9.30 to 9.45. Now it it back to 9.15 to fit with Jane Tanner's account but on Gerry's account he was standing right outside at the time! The question is why did Jane Tanner say this, IMO because Gerry or OB knew they had or may have been spotted. The description Tanner initially gave is a description of Gerry McCann. The suggestion had to be made that in fact it was not him.
Towards the end of this article it states that witnesses just never saw these people with their children at all and were actually shocked to find out they had any. Another employee who no longer works for Martin Warner has stated he started to think the children were always left alone in their apartments because they never brought the children with them. I can understand Portuguese people, a nation of caring child lovers, being very shocked and upset about this, but UK people are too. It is shocking that Clarence Mitchell has suggested that is what we do, dump them in bed at 7 and then go out for some me time. No wonder people, the world over, are so angry and upset by the behaviour of this group of "parents", "doctors"..
Initially the McCanns actually told the police the window and blind were open sufficiently for anyone to enter. This just beggars belief that they would be so incredibly negligent with their own little children and it is also confirmed there is no view from the TAPAS of this. On ITV last night Gerry again had the temerity to suggest it was just like being in the back garden, and even said that if you were in your garden you would not bother to check every 30 minutes. Speak for yourself, Gerry!! According to witnesses at the time, McCanns claimed to police it was every 15 minutes, as noted above it looks more like every hour.. Waiters confirm it was not with any frequency. If children were left for that length of time, they could perhaps have cried themselves back to sleep in between these checks. Poor little children who just could not be seen or heard. Mrs Fenn clearly says the night before she heard Madeleine crying alone for an hour and a quarter, there obviously were no checks at all in this period. IMO these parents should be locked up for this in itself and it really upsets me they do not even acknowledge the mental anguish this would have caused, oh no, they went and did it again!
This article concludes in the most chilling way. By the second day of the investigation the PJ were considering a kidnapping by a sexual predator but ultimately, the conduct of the investigation aroused the suspicison of murder. As we know, when Rebelo took over the investigaton in October he brought officers specialising in murder into the investigation to assist him. Things really do not bode well for the conduct of Kate and Gerry McCann on the disappearance of Madeleine and what they were doing in between 6.30 and 8 that night and thereafter , or their friends for that matter..
Viv x
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Correio de Manha 01 May 2008 - 00:30 am
A year without Maddie
Mystery starts from 18:30
Shortly happening of 22.00 when Kate was the fourth of the balcony and shouted: "They took the Madeleine, led it."
It was almost a year ago, but still very much alive in the memory of some officials of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz
Nobody can remember is how many minutes before Madeleine's mother left the table. Only you know that when asked for help, Kate was already near the house, with a group of women. "It seemed hysterical and only said that someone had stolen the girl. Everyone has left the table and led to confusion," recalls one of the officials.
What happened in between 18.30 and 20.00 in the apartment where the couple was hosted McCann with three children, remains the question of researchers in the Judicial Police (PJ), a year later.
At 20:00 the couple entered the restaurant Tapas, where dine with friends. "Every day jantavamnamesma table. We seemed anything," reminded the CM the same source of the Ocean Club.
Kate, Gerry and friends were on an oval table. Before dinner "and asked daikiris of strawberry martinis" and then from 21:00 is that the meals began to arrive at the table. The group was lively. Some of 21.00, dinner is served.
One of the officials it is recalled that one element of the group was not on the table. For the physical description matches Russel O'Brien, "remind me because someone asked us to save the meal."
Kate gave warning to 22.00, but was only called by the GNR 22h40.
"Just understand that this was the daughter of Kate when she handed the documents to the GNR. Until there had not noticed that it was the mother," recalls the witness.
From 02.00, the PJ started the inspection of the site, gathering traces, following the hypothesis of a kidnapping has occurred.
PJ FEZ ALREADY A RECONSTITUTION IN OCTOBER
The team that investigates the case Maddie already made a reconstitution of what happened the night of May 3, but during the day.
When the CM found, the investigation was made in late October, on days when the team led by new coordinator of the event Paulo Rebelo returned to the apartment and Tapas restaurant in the Ocean Club. We performed some actions, such as moving objects from inside to outside the apartment or simply measure distances. Also in the restaurant Tapas then aosfuncionários that request was put to the dinner table and simulation of the night when Maddie disappeared.
"It is a procedural step that is made to add evidence that was collected, passing information and evidence to confirm or a confession," explained CM to a judicial source.
The second step of this kind, which the PJ intends to implement, "will be to join the players in order to establish all the details as possible about what happened that night," explained the same source.
A reconstitution may be requested by the prosecutor or the PJ prosecutor who is in charge of the case.
As the CM reported, was asked to the group of nine people now leave the Ocean Club in collaboration to be held this endeavour, but not yet answer whether they will be present or not.
"NEVER VI WITH THE KIDS" Some of the employees who worked in the Ocean Club unaware that the group, where the couple was inserted McCann, had children. One noted the 'CM' that was until "surprised" when the alert was given the disappearance.
"Never had seen with the children. Parents always came alone and then we started to think that children were always to sleep in the rooms alone," said one of the officials, that was the time of the night and now no longer works in resort.
The group of adults took the kids to day care of the Ocean Club where they enjoyed the various activities. Only in some situations is that they enjoyed the pool together.
PARTICULARS OF WINDOWS Early indications that the couple McCann gave the police, after the disappearance of their daughter, was that the door of the room, at the back of the apartment where the brothers slept and Maddie, was open. "It was there that went by seeing the kids.
Persiana (Persian blind) was open enough and open the windows to enter the house. If it had someone they could not see it from the restaurant," recalled the CM a source of the Ocean Club.
Other references were on the window of the room where the children slept, commented that parents, that night, which "could have been lifted."
MADDIE ALMOST WAS AT DINNER In the documentary issued yesterday by television ITV1, 'Madeleine, One Year Later: Campaign for Change ", Kate and Gerry McCann show that thought take their children out to dinner at the fateful night. Only they did not because" we had no baby cart and children were tired, "says Kate.
In rare words in the first person, Kate explains that when defendants were set, though:" They have not been looking for Madeleine. "The couple returned to England - two days after being accused constituted -- Because they feel that it was not "safe".
The McCann ensure that the majority of mail they receive is positive, but not all. In a Christmas card, someone asks: "How can use the money given in good faith, for poor people , To pay the mortgage of your mansion? "
NOTES FUGA OF INFORMATION In April, the McCann were to Brussels, where Kate said: "Our evidence came to the press by the Portuguese police." AGREEMENT WITH PJ In the documentary yesterday issued by ITV, Kate refers to an alleged agreement proposed by PJpara confess accidental death.
REBELO ANALYSED ALL WINDOWS The new coordinator of PJ Paulo Rebelo accompanied by a detail of reconstituições of what happened the night of May 3, analyzing all the windows of the house. "NO AMI of 15 'IN 15'"
The parents of Maddie said that PJ went to see the children of 15 in 15 minutes, but a source of the Ocean Club again to say 'CM' that "this was not with regularity"
VIZINHA QUIS HELP The nearby from above, Pamela Fenn, who heard crying Maddie the night before, offered up to ask for help, but the suggestion was not binding for Kate
When arriving at about 23h00 the GNR, some officials of the Ocean Club had to make translations of the couple and friends said. Only once have been requested to PJ SEARCHES THROUGHOUT THE AREA
The area of Praia da Luz was hit during the night by Gerry, friends and popular. In the morning, the authorities launched a more intensive search operation ever in the Algarve First TESE is RAPTO
By the second day of searches, the power PJ admit may be facing a possible kidnapping with sexual intentions. The conduct of the investigation eventually arouse the suspicion of murder
433 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 433 Newer› Newest»Hiya Ana
I know for sure that was Goncalo and he is a lovely man:-)
~Viv x
Hello Ana . Is it in RTP1 ?
The tragedy of this case is that Madeline has probably lost her life, the McCanns lost their daughter through whatever. The reputation of the PJ is near ruin, slurs have been cast on the Portuguese nation, Robert Murat, his girlfriend have had their characters taken, Murat himself was personally implicated by the 3 of the Tapas and countless other people affected, the world was afflicted with the sight of Mitchell day in and day out. It is the PJ who will have to bear the brunt of all this for doing their duty and having the misfortune of coming up against political interference, lies, more lies and multi millionaire backers. It is a disgrace that it has come to this and the very fact that rogatory letters had to be used speaks volumes. I hope the authorities and disgustingly weak press and media in the UK are happy that they are implicit IMO in failing to get justice for justice for a 4 year child that deserved better.
Mandarinn,
Yes it was on RTP,it was the first new of the day... :)
Viv,
We all new the message was a true one, i only wrote the confirmation,to those that say they don´t read this blog but cann´t take a eye of him... :)
Did Gerry ever, ever say: "It could have been worse, we could have lost the twins too." ????
Does anyone know, if this is true? Very significant i my opinion.
By the way Clarence Mitchell was snapshotted outside St Mary and St John Parish Church in the village of Rothley, Leicestershire, prior a church service. At the picture he is wearing dark suit, light lilla shirt and a dark tie with light lilla dots. Kate an gerry attended the same service, both Kate and Gerry carrying flowers.
I have links to the pictures.
Hiya all
I see the Pros got a good post on their site, but "Sass" deleted it..I believe the Lord is protecting Madeleine and also the child loving nation where she rests, Portugal xx
New category!
by Sass on Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:14 pm
As requested I am putting up another category where other blogs/forums (not only Vile's I hope) can be discussed!
What_I_Believe comment should be deleted from our blog.
by calcite51 Today at 4:29 am
What_I_Believe said...
God pray for Madeleine Beth McCann, an innocent child much too young to have to deal with the evils of the world.
My Lord, YOU are always wise in YOUR ways and when YOU are not obeyed, the innocent suffer.
You were right in not wanting those neglectful parents to be able to have children. They used science to go against YOU, when YOU KNEW they were unfit.
But please help Madeleine. She is an innocent. This was not her fault. PLEASE PROTECT HER LORD.
Ana, they hate with a passion anyone who would see the McCanns brought to justice, something I know, just like myself, Goncalo is more than happy to live with :-)))))
Viv,
I was just thinking on posting that sensitive post on here, but then I thought in not doing it...But I will post Calcite’s response:
calcite51 said...
The moderators must be off tonight otherwise the last comment by what I believe should NOT be allowed to stay on. Please read the title of this blog - Justice for ALL the Family - we are not here to condemn the family.
What I Believe is that you are best going to Auntie Viv's site to make a comment as you have?
03 May 2008 03:44
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Calcite,
Justice for all the family it will be possible if justice for Madeleine is done too! Those who are responsible for her "disappearance" must be put in jail for a long period, if you know what I mean!!!We all want justice for poor Madeleine.
*Soon, very soon the world will know the "Truth about the Lie" and "we will gain truth and justice for a little girl who has no voice", dead on the evening of May 3rd at apartment 5A, Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal"*-Gonçalo Amaral, The Great!
Viv , good point about if the lord is watching. This charade of being devout catholics is one of the weirdest things about the case. Well if they believe in a power divine then rest assured they will be masked eventually.
The main comfort I have at the moment in this case is the power of Amaral's words. PLUS the power of the soul. In that they have to walk around every day knowing they have not told all they know (IMO) and worst case scenario knowing they killed their own child. That will eventually eat them up if they did it and they get charged or if they did it and they get away with it. I firmly believe that.
I believe the PJ have enough to convict the McCann’s.
Eddie detected a moved dead body
Keela found blood spray from a broken larynx
Someone cleaned up the mess
The apartment has not been used since
The fluids found matches to Madeleine
Madeleine died 03 May 2007
Goncalo Amaral confirms this
Madeleine died sometime before 8 pm
McCann’s say they went out after 8 pm
5 weeks later post death DNA found in their hire car
THIS CONFIRMS ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY…
Hi, just looking in - my daughter is still not too great. She had food poisoning on Friday, from something she ate in school dinners on Thursday, and I took the day off work on Friday to stay home with her.
She has been vomiting and running to the loo and I have been SO worried. I COULD have just left her with the neighbours and gone to work, but I was frightened she might choke, and I wanted to be home with her, to make sure she was okay.
Now apparently a Doctor and an ex Medical Researcher - by their OWN ADMISSION - would just leave a vomiting child and go back to the bar before their wine got warm. WTF??? Having just been through the "vomiting child" scenario myself, I do not believe that for one second - even if it IS true, then they are truly wicked and heartless, and should be strung up. And their child is a lot younger than mine!
And while this was all going on, I got a message from Libra that the pros were writing in their pink cesspit that I am apparently pure evil personified, that I am corrupting young minds, and that it is a national disgrace that I am even employed as a teacher.
Now read the above again and tell me who is "evil personified"? I am so bloody angry with these daft old bats right now. I hope the PJ string up ALL of those pathetic excuses for parents and nail them real good, and I hope the UK Police aren't far behind them, on the heels of the stupid girly sycopant gang.
Go and stuff that in your sickening pinky blog Rosie/Gerry!
Here is one of the most bizarre sights you will ever see in your whole life!!!
....and it looks like it's not too popular....
ratonthebeam
I did see this dolly early this morning and thought it was rather bizarre. I had an odd feeling it was the last and newest patetic stunt from the copyright Mccann Store!
I still have that thought, sorry.
Bizarre or not the doll made an impact and I guess that was the purpose in the first place, as it is in the papers and TV.
There are no end to bad taste...maybe the "artist" will save the "instalation" to offer it Mr. Berado to joint to his contemporain art collection.
BTWit could be made with tjhe best intentions but, it is just shocking....
I see a piece on the 3A site re an article in Journal di Noticasabout Brian Kennedy allegedly meeting Robert Murat last year to try and get him to give details to sketch artists of the abductor or such like. Why would this man interfere in a legal process. Has this man ever given donations to the Labour party? Are his motives truly altruistic ?
Hi everyone -
I have to admit I agree with Nancy Thompson about the grotesque figure - very bad taste, but then we have to remember that the artist comes from a country with a much different culture than the UK!
So Gerry and Kate went off to Church today (but not the Cathlic Church they are so devoted to)! but did you notice something missing? Yes, it was the twins - Kate and Gerry hand in hand but no twins with them. Most odd because it is their sister whose being remembered here! If they are so religious why didn't they all go in together?
During the ceremony Kate rose to thank the community for their prayers and show of support for the family! (Kate's getting really good at public speaking now).
Her Aunt, Janet Kennedy, said she didn't know how Kate managed to muster the strength to attend.
Their spokesman (yes, you've got it CM) said they would not be speaking to the media as it was a private church visit for them.
So CM is back in the picture it seems - what a shame - I was hoping we'd seen the back of him!
Rat -
I sincerely hope your daughter is feeling better now. There is nothing worse than food poisoning as it leaves you completely dehydrated, so plenty of water is the best medicine.
As you say, you stayed home from work to be with her and that shows a real mother's feelings for her youngster.
So how could O'Brien and Tanner have left their little child when she had been sick like that. I'm beginning to think that these tapas friends are tarred with the same brush! A child needs it's parents around to protect them and to leave their child alone when sick in a strange bedroom is cruel in the extreme. There were two parents - one should have stayed with their daughter.
But then none of these parents are normal because if they were they would have either had their children with them when going out to wine and dine, or stayed indoors with them - full stop!
Rat - your post of 16.31
Well said - you really told them like it is - good for you!!
You go gal!!!
They are not worthy to kiss your feet IMO!
Nancy x
Hi All
I have had a really busy day and am off again in a minute.
Just wanted to say God Bless Madeleine what ever happend to you I hope you did not or are not suffering and my prayers today go to you and all missing children.
To all of you here take care and may be back later xxx
Gerry came out with another wierd comment:
"If Madeleine was killed quickly then there ought to be evidence"!
If a predator had taken Maddie, (which is his favourite expression and theory), then any evidence would have quickly disappeared with all those cleaning fluids brought into action!
There are many ways someone could dispose of a body without leaving evidence, surely he is intelligent enough to realise that!
They never cease to amaze me with their airy fairy statements.
I'm off for the evening now - going to watch Phantom of the Opera!
See you all tomorrow!
God bless Madeleine - missing since one year today!
Nx
Hi Viv/all
Ironside sends his love and best wishes to everyone, and has asked me to post this link which you might find of interest. http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DAYS_251_to_300.htm
Lizzy
Hi Viv/all
These videos were posted on the 3 Arguidos site by Xclamation...Hi all uploaded 4 videos:
Aqui e Agora /Here and Now: Debate about Madeleine McCann Case
SIC debate with the McCanns Lawyer Rogério Alves, Criminalist Moita Flores and psychologist José Gameiro.[02-05-2008]
http://blip.tv/file/875286
McCanns Lawyer contradicts McCanns Statements
Rogério Alves, McCanns Portuguese defence lawyer says McCanns are willing to return to Portugal and that they trust the PJ. McCanns say they will not go back and don't trust the Portuguese Police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLupOZxwDkI
Consequences of the McCann's Spins in the PJ
The lawyer of former CID Inspector Gonçalo Amaral, Paulo Santos, explains why apparently someone vilified Amaral's reputation in order to remove him from the Madeleine McCann Investigation. The lawyer of Robert Murat, Francisco Pagarete explains what happened to Murat's life and job: how is site was hacked, how Murat's e-mail address was used by someone, and about the GPS devices encountered under Murat's family cars. Malinka had is car set on fire, and the word 'fala' - talk written next to the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfpqQcQOHls
Tapas Cook Breaks Silence and talks about the McCanns
All the Tapas employees were sacked from the Ocean Club. The former cook from the Tapas Bar gives her story about what happened on that night. The McCanns never left the apartment after the alarm was raised, all the police, locals, and employees from the Tapas bar and Ocean Club never saw the Parents searching for their own daughter. More than 200 employees were interviewed by the PJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU9Us7IPc_Q
Translations will follow. You can see the above in the blog as well.
Peço ajuda a quem puder para transcrever e traduzir o que for mais relevante no debate da SIC, e/ou nas notícias. Também gravei o Debate de ontem da RTP, em breve farei o upload.
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Hi Lizzy,
Please send my respect and affection to Ironside for his continued diligence in this case, the case that must see public inquiry share information, just as you have done. Respect and affection to you and yours too, as always, Lizzy, but you don't need me to say that. Just thought I would anyway!
Meanwhile, I'll comment on Madeleine's death one year on in a separate post, out of respect for you, Ironside, our dear Viv the brave, and others seeking truth, not PR BS.
leigh
Dear Madeleine, safe in the embrace of God.
One year after your death, your parents have the opportunity to live up to their Faith. Their immortal souls are more important than this mortal coil.
They loved you, in their own way.
Kate and Gerry: you have an opportunity to live up to your better selves; the Catholic Faith awaits your true confession.
'To err is human; to forgive divine.'
You are young. You can make amends for your mistakes, and be respected for it. Perfection is the place of fools. Redemption is the place of wise men and women, however difficult that may be in the short term.
Please think of your souls, your twins, and your Faith. Truth will protect you. Petty PR will rob you, and those you love.
Justice for Madeleine Beth McCann, the beloved sister of Sean and Amelie, the beloved daughter of Kate and Gerry.
Hi Leigh,
I will pass your message to Ironside, I have told him how to post on here now it has changed, so think he might post on here soon himself. Thanks for your kind wishes Leigh, I hope that soon we will see justice for Madeleine, ..Lizzy
Hi Lizzy,
We can hope, and pursue truth, as we have tried, all in our different ways.
x
leigh
Gosh its very quiet here today. I suppose people are shocked at how the wonder duo are riding a wave to fame and fortune? Nothing lasts forever, even fame and money do not buy happiness. In this crazy world justice is not always a certainty.
Hi Leigh,Joe and Lizzy,
Just removed my last post because I made a mistake.
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Am watching another program about the McCanns.
This is really new to me, that Gerry left for his 3rd tennis lesson and that he wanted the children to see him tennissing and that's why he asked David Payne to go to the apt. David Payne went back and told him the children were tired and had their pyjamas on. So they couldn't go to the tennis yard.
Have you heard of that before?
Hi Atardi
How are you?
I have heard that he had asked him to go and check on Kate and he said they were all fine...
Thanks for your e mail did you get my reply my e mail is playing up a bit xxx
Hey Hope,
How are you.
You had a tremendous post today. You represent my voice also. Thank you.
I was also very busy. Had to help a friend today. She just removed back and we had to clean her new house.
Hope,
I think it was Zodiac who wanted a copy of the "Hospital diet".
Zodiac,
If you are reading.
How can I sent it to you?
Hi Atardi
I am fine thanks everyone seems to be moving at the moment two of my friends are moving in the next few weeks and a couple more are looking.
I am off to bed had a very hectic day speak to you soon xxx
Hope,
"See" you tomorrow.
Good morning all,
Wanna laugh? Cop a load of this (and pay special attention to para 5):-
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1314938,00.html
Kate and Gerry McCann want to step out of the media spotlight after the first anniversary of their daughter Madeleine's disappearance.
In one of their final interviews for the one-year landmark, the couple said they had only survived the past 12 months by not blaming each other for what happened.
The couple said they hoped the attention on them would fade after Madeleine's fifth birthday on May 12.
Mr McCann said the media coverage of her disappearance was "unsustainable".
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He even suggested that it might have led to Portuguese police naming him and his wife as arguidos, or formal suspects, in the case in early September.
"You look at where it's led for us, the problems it's created," he said.
"I'm sure a lot of that media coverage kicked in to what happened in Portugal, that generates a pressure, and when people get put under pressure, bad decisions are made...
"We started a campaign and then a juggernaut was set off and we had no control over it."
Mrs McCann said personal details about her and her husband were "totally irrelevant" and distracted people from the search for Madeleine.
How hilarious is that, ladies and gentlemen???
Good Morning LGC
Now are you up early or did you have a late night???
Intresting article this paragraph struck me "We started a campaign and then a juggernaut was set off and we had no control over it."
The spin surrounding the media has been controlled by them since day one now they want to pretend (or spin again) that they are the victims of it. I have never in my life seen more blatent media manipulation by anyone even the Royal family dont seem to have the control over the press that the McCanns have???
Hope you are well and are enjoying the bank holiday weekend xxx
LGC/hOPE.
To be honest, they disgust me, they sought this media attention and seek to control everything printed about them, they have shut down forums, been given programmes on tv, all about them, they want to make money from their dead daughter, when they became suspects, something imo they never thought would happen, they have become even worse, now they don't even pretend that Madeleine is the victim, its all about them, clearing their names and making money, they also insist Madeleine is probably alive just to keep the money coming in, when with the evidence the PJ have it is obvious the por child is dead. I have a lot more respect for Shannons mum who when caught confessed to everything, these people have no shame and will balme everyone but themselves to save hier own skins. I fear with Gordon Brown's current postition he would not want them found guilty , if they were after his public and excessive support his career woudl be over...Lizzy
HI Viv/all
Latest article translated from Sos Maddie.
The McCanns will be charged: Neglect or Homicide
According to a source in the Public Ministry in Lisbon, Kate and Gerry McCann may be called to a Portuguese court and charged with the crime of neglect, without it being confirmed whether or not the couple will also be charged with homicide.
The Public Minsitry and the PJ detectives have agreed to meet officially in a few weeks to decide which charges the couple will be asked to answer. According to the same source, the judicial secrecy surrounding the inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance will continue until august, after which time, once the judicial holiday period is over, the Public Ministry would be ready to move to trial.
Having now received the final results from the expert analysis of the blood samples and biological and synthetic residues, the detectives have had their line of investigation confirmed, but the Public Ministry apparently wishes to play it carefully because in a trial, given the lawyers taken on by Kate and Gerry McCann, it will be important to make sure there is no room for doubt.
The results of the tests show an almost perfect match between the genetic profile of the blood found in the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns and that of Madeleine. The results are identical to those carried out on the traces of blood found in the ocean club apartment.
Even though the samples were of good quality and the results remove all doubts from the detectives, the process used in the analysis – Low Copy Number – is challenged by some experts, even though the UK Crown Prosecution Service has confidence in the procedure.
http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/
Hi Viv/all
Ironside has suggested I post this as you may find it interesting....it is from someone on another blog.
McCann’s - this is a message for all you would be investigators - focus on who was at the resort and who was sitting at the table the night Madeline disappeared, find pictures, speak to staff - Don't believe that all have been accounted for!
Look for a very high up city senior executive with connections to an influential MP.
I know he was at the table that night but his name has never appeared in any press articles. His MP friend has close connections with Clarence Mitchell whose initial task was not to help the McCann’s but to avoid dragging this Senior Executive into the events.
This senior executive was there to engage in a swingers party, which those at the McCann table were apart of.
Investigative Journalism should uncover the rest.
10 hours ago - 3 days left to answer.
Additional Details
10 hours ago
For those who think this is just another go at the McCann's you are wrong. The press are very worried about dealing with this story and the facts I have listed.
The government got involved by default an MP doing a friend a favour, hence Clarence Mitchell has been detached from any link with the Government.
I have printed this because I believe once we get through the lies surrounding the events of the night , and these are lies, we will reveal the truth as to what happened to Madeline
9 hours ago
This is what happens everytime 'team McCann get involved and try to deflect the message back to searching for Madeline.
Lets get everyone telling the whole truth first and go from there!
8 hours ago
Faith - I am not questioning their secret life, more that they have not told the truth. How can we get to the bottom of this if they don't divulge everything?
Hi Lizzy
I cant believe they now want us to belive that the press has done anything other than what has been asked of them? They have sued over articles that any other person who had been in their position would have found very tame.
So very sad all of it if they are inocent then they have nothing to fear evidence cant be planted as no one has access to Madeleines DNA. I dont think the 2 hour TV show did them many favours the few people who watched it that I know found it nausiating and just brought back the comments how the hell did they think it was ok to neglect their chidren?
I am sickend that a child has not been put first by her parents and by the media.
Can you imagine a normal family on the Jeremy Kyle show justifying why they think it is ok on holiday to go out and leave the kids in an unlocked apartment night after night??? Even if none of them were missing he would tear them apart...
Say hi to Ironside for me I read some of his posts yesterday but get so lost on the 3As...
Hope you have a lovely weekend xxx
Hi Hope,
I agree I just don't know how all these presenters can fawn over the Mcanns and condone their obvious neglect of their children, also bearing in mind they are official suspects in the case, they ask them no probing questions. In fact I think all questions asked have to be approved by the Mccanns.I think though ,the Mccanns themselves are focusing on the neglect issue as it would be a lesser charge than murder or manslaughter. So they constantly bring this up to deflect from the view of the Police that she was killed in the appartment and they have concealed the body and covered it up..I will pass on your regards to Ironside and hope you have a lovely weekend too, is pouring down here, hope its better tomorrow....Lizzy
I thought you all might like to see this - from ITV Teletext. Gerry is losing it. Big Time!
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McCann hits out over secrecy
Gerry McCann has accused the Portuguese judge in the case of his daughter Madeleine of misinterpreting a law on how long police files can stay secret.
Legal sources suggested the official period of judicial secrecy in the probe - which runs out on May 15 - is likely to be extended for three months.
He is "frustrated" the file has not been opened and said the law changed last year to allow more transparency.
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So he is an expert in Portuguese law now? :? I would have thought that the last person you wanted to p1ss off was the Judge. They sure seem desparate to see what's in those files! :-)
Original Page Here
Good morning Hope!
Oh, I woke up at 2.30am, having just had a dream about a difficult scene I need to insert into my script...just had to iron it out after that, and then see what was going on in the world as a little treat! Went back to bed until just now, though. (ZZZZzzzzz)
How are you? Still in pain? You must (almost) be looking forward to your appointment next week.
Do you know, every utterance that pair come out with now makes me think they've got even fewer powers of self-perception than has Gordon Brown. Gordon Bennett, already!
Can't somebody tell them to shut up, that they're making prize fools of themselves?? What on earth is Clarrie up to? Is he, as Paula Yates so memorably asked Ian Hislop on Have I Got News For You, the "sperm of the devil"?
If Clarrie's getting paid for this rubbish, I think in all fairness he should give Mr Kennedy his money back.
Hope, did you see my message the other day about BBC Script Smart Gold?
X
Lizzy,
I posted a link yesterday to Marjorie Orr's astrology site. Whatever you think about astrology, she does seem to have an insight into the lives of those in the news.
Here's a link to her page of 'Today's News':-
http://www.star4cast.com/index2f.asp?page=forum_article.asp?id=1
There's quite a lot about Brown, but particularly interesting is her entry posted on 15th April (just scroll down the long page to see it).
I do feel there's a link to the McCanns, be it just through his brother, a director of EDF Energy, I think.
Good morning all
Sorry if you have all seen this interview with Kate & Gerry before. It is certainly worth a watch. They are both so frustrated with the questions being asked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV4Ck61Favg
LittleGreyCell et all
McCanns and the media From: marmitelover. (05 Feb 2008 23:19):
I've had a continuing obsession with the madeleine mccann case and recently attended a conference where kelvin Mackenzie admitted also to this obsession. He called it 'the best story of my life'. This story has led to an explosion of comment and dedicated forums on the internet, from people frustrated by the biased reports in the mainstream media which do not seem to properly address a niggling doubt about the abduction story. The most popular forum, part of the Daily mirror, was shut down last week and Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesman admitted to closing it. This and the case generally, hint at conspiracies; the mccanns incredible media, financial and government connections, far beyond what any missing child so far has attracted. So freedom of speech attacked, obsession, the internet, big money, the media caution with regard to investigative journalism, government links, and the poor portuguese police struggling to keep the investigation on track... Be interested to know if you have any further astrological insights...thanks
Madeleine. From: Pam. (08 Feb 2008 12:58):
I am shocked that you called the Portguese police imcompetent.....they have their laws and we have ours, which are different! They had a lot to deal with at the time and the McCanns media spin started straight away after Madeleine went missing which was very strange..as a parent I thought their actions at the time seemed very odd, I would have personally searched high and low day and night to look for my missing child not play tennis the next day, etc.etc.etc. Fair do's Madeleine should not have been left alone with her twin brother and sister. A difficult case yes, but not because of the Police, but because of the untruths and spin.
McCanns From: Marjorie. (08 Feb 2008 13:16):
McCanns From: Marjorie. (06 Feb 2008 19:34):
Madeleine. From: Pam. (08 Feb 2008 12:58):
McCanns and the media From: marmitelover. (05 Feb 2008 23:19):
McCanns From: NAILESH PATEL(UK) (sanjay47@hotmail.co.uk). (12 Nov 2007 11:37):
McCanns From: Marjorie. (10 Nov 2007 14:10):
McCanns and Portugal From: Marjorie. (10 Oct 2007 20:29):
The link to her page of 'Today's News':-
http://www.star4cast.com/index2f.asp?page=forum_article.asp?id=1
Good morning all
Disee the intervew mccanns did to the portuguese journalist sandra felgueiras? you can asee it on joana morais blogg in comparaison with bbc and sky news intervews.
i found it quite interesting to notice the diferent behaviour.
Hi All,
Hope/Atardi,
It was the Lemon Diet I was going to try, never heard of the Hospital Diet. Atardi if Viv still has my e-mail addy I do not mind her passing it onto you. Thanks for thinking of me I am still eating chocolate like a sheep grazing on grass.
Hope, I hope your toothache is on the mend it is an awful pain to suffer. Also Hope thanks for the suggestion to copy posts before sending. I do not know how many I have posted this week that have just disappeared. I was on the verge of destroying my keyboard with the mouse when I suddenly remembered your tip. Thanks to that the mouse and keyboard have survived to type another day.
The article ROTB posted. Is there no end to their arrogance. I hope the Portuguese Judge they are accusing of misinterpreting the Portuguese Law in other words incompetent is aware of this article, is that not Libel. Look how they regard all of us responsible parents and responsible people with no children who are disgusted and outraged by the neglect of their 3 little children. To them we are just Cretins, nasty bloggers and insane. Perhaps they think we just misinterpret their different style of parenting and do not understand what all the fuss is about....eh!
Hi Lizzy/ everyone!
Thank you for all the links posted!
The interviu with the Ocean Club chef is interesting. I'll copy all of it here:
Tapas cook breaks silence about the McCanns - SIC
03 May 2008
(Thanks to Joana Morais for transcription/translation)
Tapas Cook Video Translation
[Inside SIC Studio]
Journalist on Studio: And tomorrow, 3rd of May marks a year since Madeleine McCann disappeared. There in Praia da Luz, Maria João [name of the other Journalist], good evening, is there any ceremonial service predicted?
[Cut to journalist on location]
Maria João: Here, in the Ocean Club, no, nothing is going to happen here to mark the date, just a mass that will be done tomorrow at 18:30pm in the church of Luz. A bilingual mass which is going to mark one year since the disappearance of Maddie. In relation to the process, there are no new developments expected for the next few days. Only in the 15th the Judge of Criminal Instruction from Portimão’s Court is going to reassess if the process continues or not under Secrecy of Justice. It’s very likely that the process continues like in the last year. Who broke the silence, while we're on the subject, were the Portuguese employees from the Tapas Bar, the restaurant where the couple McCann had dinner in the night of Maddie's disappearance. Those 8 Portuguese employees didn't see their contracts renewed this year. They were obliged in the last 12 months to be silent, forbidden to talk with journalists. Since their contracts were not renewed they decided to talk. SIC has spoken with the cook.
[Cut to medium shot of 2 people behind a tree]
Voice over Introduction: She doesn't 'show' her face but a year later and without working in the Ocean Club, Manuela decided that she wasn’t obliged to the silence anymore. The cook [chef] who prepared a 'Robalo' [Snook fish/ Sargeant fish] with cuscus [signature dish of the Arab world] and the pepper steak meal the McCanns had for dinner on the night Maddie disappeared was in the griller area 3 metres away from the table of the couple.
[Shot of interior of the Ocean Club, focus on the Tapas Bar]
Manuela, the cook: They had already eaten the main course, [Cut to blurry image of a woman’s face, with a strong southern accent from Algarve], because it was already around 9:30pm when she gave the alarm.
Voice over: This former employee from the Tapas tells that immediately various colleagues left their work posts to help the searches. Meanwhile, in the hours that followed, during most of the time the McCanns stayed inside the apartment.
Manuela: My colleagues were indignant [angered/offended], because they went… One of them even had his feet all red, tired… and he was offended because he went to search though he wasn't anything related to the girl, and the parents didn't. [Cut to apartment] They stayed indoors, in the apartment.
[Various shots around the Ocean Club, archive footage of Police and Media]
Voice Over: A year ago, suddenly everything changed in the Ocean Club. The quiet resort, ideal for family holidays, was invaded by police and journalists.
Manuela: The Ocean Club, the Tapas turned into pandemonium [chaos]. No one could get out, no one could get in. Even if we were married, our husbands couldn't get in, neither our friends. Everything was surrounded… The security officers didn't know the employees. They thought the employees were journalists. In the beginning everything was really complicated.
Voice Over: The Judiciary went in a full scale operation to Praia da Luz. For more than a month the investigators created a kind of headquarters in one of the apartments of the Ocean Club. All the employees from the resort were heard.
Manuela: They all went in two… in two hours by two hours, two [referring to the number of people –in pairs], during sometime. Close to a month. We were almost 200 employees.
Voice Over: Manuela remembers seeing Madeleine sometimes.
Manuela: When the Parents would put her at the crèche, in the babysitters, the kitchen was next to it.
Journalist on location: How was Madeleine’s routine during those holidays? When she entered there, in the Ocean Club?
Manuela: She got in, was delivered to the babysitters. The babysitters would do a class; they would do a group course with the girls. Between 4pm and 4:30pm they had something to eat. In the morning they had a fruit lunch [breakfast?]… And then the parents would come to pick them up at 5 o’clock in the afternoon.
Journalist: In the middle of all those children do you remember Maddie?
Manuela: Because she entered there, she would wave goodbye, or say hello…She was really nice [lovely/polite]. She was always smiling.
Voice Over: After the disappearance of the girl, several family members of Kate and Gerry came to the Algarve.
Manuela: I remember that the family members instead of being worried with the family, would go to the pool, rented the tennis court, played tennis… Instead of being worried about the child that had disappeared!
Voice Over: The majority of the employees who were in the Tapas in the night of the Maddie’s disappearance have already left the resort.
Manuela: The contract ended and they sent us to unemployment.
Journalist: All the team that was in the Tapas that night?
Manuela: All the team that was there in that night.
Voice Over: After the disappearance of Maddie, the McCanns stayed in the Ocean Club for 65 days more. In July they moved to a house in the outskirts, away from the journalists eyes. It was there that they stayed until the 9 of September, the day that they went back to England.
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Have to get off to work.
Niki
Hi LGC
You are still working hard on your re write then (can I stop nagging yet???)...
I did not see the post about the script thing where is it???
The spin is driving me nuts but if they really want the papers to stop maybe they are all spun out??? I was surprised when I went to out newsagent this morning and only two of the papers had a small picture of the McCanns and led on other storys same yesterday. If they have power with the papers surley yesterday would have been he day to go over the top with media coverage not so much about them but about Madeleine...
And I cant understand why Brian Kennedy went to speak to Murrat I read somewhere today (may have been the McCann files he offered him a job now that is strange if true)...
I have to go out again now hope to catch you later xxx
Hello Ecolab,
Yes, Marjorie does have a problem with the PJ, as I acknowleged yesterday. That angers me, obviously, but otherwise I have found her to be spot on about when and what sort of problems high profile people are experiencing.
The technicalities of the astrological stuff is way above my head, but over the years I have noticed her comments have a great deal to them (but not her own personal views, I stress!).
Hello Mum, er, Hope,
;)
Yes, still working on it, and when I'm asleep, it works on me! The dream was terrible, not a good idea at all, but I had much better thoughts on awakening.
Erm, the post about Script Smart was another day completely...can't remember when now. But here's a link to the real thing:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/writersroom/scriptsmart/
It's an automatic foramatter for any kind of script and it's brilliant!
Did you see yesterday the Independent ran a feature on tapas which it advertised on its front page??
Have a good day - I'm off out soon too (obviously that makes us the same person). See me later!
Lizzy / Ironside
Thank you for posting that information.
In the first few days I clearly remember hearing a news report that one member of the group's identity was being withheld. I heard it either on Sky or BBC's News 24. I also know like many other things of importance, you only hear these things once and then they mysteriously disappear.
It makes perfect sense to me. All along this has been about protecting the identity of a Government Minister...
He must be quite high up in the ranks....
He must be worth a lot to the establishment....
The whole Tapas group are affording enormous protection as a result....
Now who do we know likes to travel to Portugal??
Just another thought. Maybe this person is linked to the Nuclear energy plans for the UK. Someone that would have blown the future plans between Brothers Brown....
Talk about keep it in the family?
If there is mystery person being protected officially then I guess it will stay that way.
The McCanns did not return to PDL for the anniversary yet they parade themselves for the last week on TV, Radio, Hello magazine proclaiming their innocence and a heinous crime has been committed by an abductor and not even saying they were really wrong to leave children on their own.
None of this then adds up with why they did not go to PDL, logically there is absolutely no reason not to have returned since they are completely innocent, there is nothing to fear from the PJ, is there K&G? Actions speak louder than words. SO if they really and truly believed what they stated ad nauseum this week they would have gone with the world behind them.
Zodiac
Glad my tip worked I must be honest my laptop would have been out through the window if I had not started copying posts (but since I have it has not crashed half as much LOL)...
Tooth ache is all better still have to go back for more work but have been pain free since Wednesday I think (days get a bit mixed up)...
Hope you are enjoying the weekend it has just started pouring here and can you believe it I was at the Farden Centre when it started (maybe god is trying to tell me I have not got green fingers and to save my money)???
Trying to set up my husbands PC in a new location so will be back later xxx
Hi Niki - Hi everyone!
Thanks for all the info! Just to think that all those staff at the tapas bar lost their jobs because of the McCanns neglect of their children and resultant disappearance of Maddie, makes me realise just how many lives that couple have disrupted and ruined, not forgetting the village priest who befriended them.
I'm glad the cook decided to give her story to the media and maybe we'll get more information from the other staff when they feel they can speak freely.
It's common knowledge now that Kate and Gerry stayed in the apartment the night Maddie went missing - maybe to clear up the apartment and clean the floors, walls etc. Can you imagine a 'normal' couple staying indoors when their daughter had just gone missing and when they assumed she had been taken by a paedophile?
I hope the PJ's come up with a decision of what charge, if any, they are going to bring soon; I have a feeling it won't be long now!
As for the McCanns now wanting to keep out of the public eye, if you believe that you'll believe anything - what about the million pound book probably being organised while we speak!
Gerry doesn't seem to care too much what he does and says, but Kate is a definitive actress and maybe she has Hollywood in her sights!
Nx
The past few days with all the interviews that duo have done have really shown the world how fragile K is, especially after seeing them laughing as the camera was rolling after the BBC interview. I wonder if the PJ have seen that.
Hi, guys. Back online for a bit. House still a mess.
Glad to see that our TV channels have confirmed that Gonçalo Amaral's message to the McCann Files was indded from Gonçalo Amaral.
I knew that all along, as I told you, but it's always great to prove child neglecters' defenders wrong! :-)
Have a great Sunday!
Hiii Claudia, how are you?
Hi Claudia
Hope you are well just checking this pc is working and thought I would have a look in before I log off...
The rain has stopped so going out for a bit (best hurry as it wont be dry for long LOL)...
Do you have Monday off??? It is a Bank Holiday here (hence the rain)...
Take care see you later xxxx
Hi, Mandarinn and Hope.
I'm fine. But still waiting for the new furniture. It's hell having no internet access. Not only because I miss you guys but baceuse I also have professional things I should be dealing with.
Hope, no, no holiday here on Monday.
Mandarinn, hope you're ok too! :-)
xxxx
Hi all, hope everyone's having a nice break.
I wonder whether any of our Portuguese-speaking posters might help to clarify something that appeared in 24horas yesterday? It seems to quote a PJ source as saying that Justine McGuinnes and Clarence Mitchel were both already in PDL at the time of the disappearance. Here's the 3As link, which also contains links to the 24horas article:
http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11943
I'm especially interested as I have never understood how the sudden popping up of these two related to the story as we have been told it.
By the way the same source is quoted as saying that there is no immediate intention to shelve the case and every intention of proceeding to a prosecution, certainly for neglect and perhaps more.
I am aware however that 24horas might not be the most reliable of courses and would be grateful for advice from those who know the papaer and the language.
Thanks Joe. But Clarrie's sudden presence there does need explaining.
Wasn't there a story about his credit card paying for the bar extras on the 2nd?
Libra,
Yes there is a story that he paid for the wine and meal which suggests he was there in his former capacity as a Government spin doctor. For which politician though? That is the question and might suggest the reason for all the spin since?
I will get my comment right eventually, here goes again..
Hi Libra,
I do not know for sure but I do not think 24Horas is reliable. It was the one to run with the story of JT changing her story about the bundleman, and it looks like that was completely untrue and none of that lot changed their versions. So 24Horas and a big pinch of salt.
there is clearly more to this story than the McCanns and poor Madeline. It may to have political scandal written all over it as well. If the pink spin was there on the 2 May 2007. Why? Who was he with? Answers on a postcard please.
Hi libra, i am portuguese and could translate it to you, but i can access to page. 24 horas is a tabloid but it doesn't mean what they publish hasnot something truth,mainly to avoid the sue.
I remenber in bigining it was some notice about someone important present , who vanish.....
Hi mandarinn. See if you can make this work: http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/librarising_bucket/?action=view¤t=24horas-3may08-2.jpg"
Please don't go translating the whole thing, it would take you ages,and there is a Google translation on the 3As - I'd just like to know whether you think there is actually a statement in here that CM and JMcG have said they were already in PDL on the 3rd, or whther this is just a bit of journalistic babble or misinterpretation. It's hard to know from the Google English.
Thank you!
...nope, it doesn't work. Try this:
http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/librarising_bucket/?action=view¤t=24horas-3may08-2.jpg
i can't acesss it :( i think it is because i can't typ some symbol . and as i am a desgrace in informatics i don't know to paste and copy
i'm going to try enter in 24 horas newspaper
Hello, Mandarinn!
Have you heard about the Irish couple in the Algarve? These people don't learn, do they?
Mandarinn try clicking this...
Might work??
yes claudia .. it seems our excellent wine atract all sort of drunks... it is a pity they bring their children with them :(
It works.
The newspapers says justine and clarence was on PDL when Maddy vanished . They also refered a new fron yesterday in Expresso , which say the process is to archive as false...denied by responsibles
librarising:
How do you make a link?
Pleaze tell me ;-))
I read Expresso yesterday .. eventought Expresso being a respected newspaper , it is more none as opinion maker, and more in politics and so.
I'm a Expresso reader everyweek and it seems to me they was biased in this case since day one.
Librarising, 24 Horas states that Justine and Clarence where thetre the day the tragedy occured. It's probably a mistake.
Mandarinn, what brainless idiots. They should also be arrested.
Claudia are you here yet?
Claudia.. about justine i don't know, but about clarence i remenber that new .. and that there was present on tapasbar some bt vip .. which vaniish and was never identificated. don't you remenber that claudia?
Claudia , and come out the hospital without doctors license(
mandarinn:
I remember....Ther was a photo in the papers next day. The man was boarding a plane out of the country. the so called Tapas Ten. I think it was John Brown. I will go to the librey and look in the old papers.
Is there a blog ...somthing called joanna moreas something. A link please. There is an artikel I would like to read...something with nuclear!!!
I was going to comment on the news breaking on 3 Arguidos that Clarence and Justine were in PdeLuz on the 3rd May and maybe before that! I see it's already been discussed on here. If that is true and they were there, then it certainly give us a lot of food for thought!!
Only a theory, of course, but someone else on 3A's suggested that they were all there, CM, JM, and another government minister, name as yet unknown, celebrating Gerry being given a job in government! It gets even more sinister because it is thought he was maybe being threatened because he was involved in a proposed nuclear energy programme with the government!
Take a deep breath because I'm sure it will all turn out to be pie in the sky, and what could it have to do with Madeleine disappearing anyway?
I see they have a troll on the 3A's who is taking Viv's name in vain!! What a nasty piece of work to do that! She's getting very short shrift from the other bloggers thankfully!
I hope you are all having a nice weekend and the Brits are enjoying their Bank Holiday weekend!
i think it is http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/
Nancy it has nothing to do with maddy's desapearence,but can explain the protection mccans has
Hello, Mandarinn.
Yesz, I remember reading someone important might have been here that day. But I never heard anything about Justine.
And yes, I'm here but not completely here.
New furniture still hasn't arrived. I'm currently posting from my laptop sitting on a mattress on the floor. Monday or Tuesday my house will probaly be back to normal. I hope. :-)
mandarinn et all
Thank you mandarinn for the link. It was the one I meant.
Rosiepops is writing:
Kate was an irresponsible mother to leave her three babies alone to go out drinking and eating. As were her female friends, all of which with small children of their own, except for Dianne, which was a grandmother. All these women were irresponsible mothers. The men, irresponsible fathers. They risked their children every single day for their selfishness. And they disgust me with their excuses now.
By Rosiepops on May 3, 2008
Properly a troll, but nice words anyways *loool*
http://www.theswiz.com/tapas9/?p=452#comment-7
Justice for Maddie
poor claudia ... :). and about your cat, is it comfortable?
Ecolab, I finally agree with her! ;-) She must have seen the light! ;-)
Ecolab - how to post a link (Rat showed us how a while ago, is how I learned)...
I will use the {} brackets below, but to make the link work you will need the <> brackets (if I used them below - they would make it work as a link!)
So where you see {}, substitute <> in your post to make a link work, and use this code
{a href="add the full internet address of the link here"}
and here you can write the clickable words you want to appear on the blog{/a}
Hope that's clear - if not, ask.
Mandarinn, that lucky cat is always comfortable! lolol
Sleeping with his favourite blanket and eating in between naps! What a difficult life he has! :-)
I'm truly susprised with rosypops.. but bet late than never.........
Thank you Mandarinn and Claudia for the free translation services! I wonder if there is anything in the idea of at least Clarence being already there. I've never understood why he would be so quickly sent...
You're welcome, Librarising!
Mandarinn, she probably had a brain transplant! ;-)
I've been reading the newspapers online. They all carry stories of 'fragile and tearful' Kate in Church! The only one not be reporting this week has been the Express!! Maybe getting their own back for being sued!!
Kate and Gerry are now going out of sight because they want no more publicity - so what does that tell us? They are obviously going to be getting on with interviews for their new book that some publisher I'm sure will ghost write for them! To say that it will be a 'one sided' book is the understatement of the year!!
What has happened to the twins lately? They weren't in Church where they had a right to be on the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. It looks like they see less of their parents these days than they saw of them in Praia de Luz!
Hi Ecolab
It does not sound like the Roseiepops we all know!!!
Unless she is doing a u-turn.....
Claudia ROFL
and here you can write the clickable words you want to appear on the blog
librarising
I MADE IT....jibiii
Now you can read The wise Words of Rosie by yourself ...or whatever Rosie it is? *loool*
Rosieeeee... Haveee youuuu seeen it? Do`nt bother to answer.
Just a thought..
Kate & Gerry's new phone number asking anyone who has given witness statements to the PJ's and Police, to contact them and let them know what they said.
I hope the Police have got the line tapped.
Di, that appel is very interesting. Personally, I think it is a not very smart and subtle way of finding out what people have been telling the PJ. Furthermore, I hope they are aware that they are encouraging people to commit a crime under Portuguese law. Any people who may have talked to the PJ regarding this case are bound to the secrecy laws. If they contact the line and tell private detectives that info they are committing a crime.
I meant appeal.
The dare of this 2 has no shape... qand gerry said the prosecuter misunderstood the portuguese new law !!!!!!!!! lolololol
.... and gerry continue telling the public they feel sure because they could see the home from tapas... he forget to tell the home's roof...
Claudia, from what you feel being based in Portugal are you feeling these two may be charged in the next few weeks, months or indeed days.
Amaral's words give me hope but it is interesting he says soon , very soon.
What are your thoughts from the Portugese side? I am thinking what is in the way that could stop it being done tomorrow and I can't see anything stopping it now.
Mandarinn, I don't think that pissing off the judge is a very good idea... lolololol
Bath theory, it is my personal belief that they won't be prosecuted. I discussed this with Bianca on my blog. But it is also my personal belief that the world will know the truth.
Claudia, only to see how arrogant they are, they underestime others intelligence.How stupid...
Claudia
I think it is desperation, imo they have absolutely no idea what the PJ have on them and this is a last ditch chance of finding out.
I dread to think what this will lead to, many new false siteings etc., I just cannot understand if CM is still at the helm that he is allowing this bizarre move.
If i was their lawyer i will put them something in mouth to shut up
You mean not even for negligence. I can't see how they cannot be prosecuted for negligence and I would be very suprised if they are not prosecuted for manslaughter either. Surely their is enough to put them in court in front of a jury.
Get the extradition warrant out now is what I say. The anniversary charade is out of the way now.
Claudia . How can they not be prosecuted when Kate can't even answer a direct question here without turning to Gerry. In a courtroom she won't be allowed to do that and as such it is essential she is put into a courtroom in order to give the truth and the facts a chance to come out.
In the court she will not be allowed to turn to her husband.
Bath Theory, I'm not sure about the neglect. If it was up to me to decide, they would have already be in court by now. People cannot be prosecuted because they aren't capable of answering questions. especially, when they have so many friends... As I said, I don't believe they will ever see the inside of a courtroom. Too much interference.
Mandarinn, poor Rogério Alves. He certainly does his best but then they open their big mouths and ruin all his efforts! :-)
Here is how G & K searched under every stone looking for Madeleine.
Corner on Panorama : “……you see a father sitting on his own, in his bedroom, in a foreign country desperately looking for his daughter….”
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Book retailers Waterstones said a few days ago that they wouldn't be interested in a ghost-written story with no ending.
Claudia you misread my point about getting Kate into a courtroom. If she is unable to give sincere answers in a courtroom (without relying on her huby) then it is highly likely she would be found out by a skilled barrister.
So the point is the PJ need to get her inparticular into a courtroom atmosphere. If even half of the things we discuss on here are factually based then there is more than enought o make a case especially as the timeline does not fit and many things don't add.
So if the Portugese police are not intending to prosecute why set up a blog saying thanks to them. I was the first person to write a comment on it but what is the point of all the hours we have spent on here and DX and writing letters to people if we think the situation is such that no prosecution will take place.
Given the nonsense spoken about the portugese from the british newspapers etc surely the Portugese establishment want these two questioned thoroughly in a courtroom.
Hi everyone
Having just had a very sunny day on the beach, the fresh air has been quite inspirational.
The McCann's latest request is downright illegal and is yet again IMO trying to undermine the PJ.
You can see the headlines now, we have recently discovered this person contacted the PJ back in la la la and we can prove they have never followed up the lead, why?
If this person was originally planted by them for such a fall, how can the PJ stand a chance of justifying themselves in the media frenzy.
It seems to me Team McCann are goading the PJ into rushing into an early decision. Force the hand and deal with it. Obviously the longer it goes on the stronger the position will be for the PJ. The McCann's lawyers know this, at whatever cost they need to force the hand and try to achieve mistakes, mistakes are the only way they have a glimmer of a chance of escaping the inevitable outcome.
They know what is coming soon.
They know it is not looking good.
So the goal is to limit the damage.
They are playing a dirty tricks game.........
Ecolab - congratulations!
Bath Theory, you are assuming that the decisions are still up to the PJ. I am not. And I'll leave it at that.
My pride in the PJ's work has nothing to do with the outcome of this case. It has everything to do with their work, their efforts and the fact that they did not choose the easy way out. Setting up a blog like I did after the McCanns were charged (assuming they will ever be)would be the safe thing to do. But at that time, I bet there would be many of those blogs. Setting up one when you don't know what will happen (and when you suspect they will get off the hook) is a statement, if you know what I mean.
I know Clarence Mitchell attended the service yesterday, which shows him as a polite man.
Things are really stuffing up at the moment for the McCanns and if CM is still The McCannan toastmaster, CM would NEVER allowed Gerry and Kate to go solo, like they have done the last couple of days.
Since Gordon Brown lost his polls, CM has been as quet as the grave and as invisible as the Toothfairy.
CM would NEVER have allowed this:
teletext
Some arrogant prick - he just hanged himself - I will not be mourning
P.S: The PJ does not decide to prosecute or not. The PJ investigates and gathers evidence. The decison to prosecute ot shelve the case is up to the Public Ministry.
Ecolab , you can see how arrogant they are, now they interpret portuguese law better than the prosecuter whose job and education is... deal with law
It appears that the number K&G gave out for witnesses to ring has been inundated with calls - mostly from cranks and oddballs I bet!
Evening All,
As you know, I have always believed that the fate of poor little Madeleine is entwined with the political ties of her parents, and their friends; the commercial ties too.
Tapas9 is a very odd number, as I used to say on the DE.
The UKs Labour Government is in its death throes, thumped at the May 1st local elections; London now has a Conservative Mayor, and Westminster is conspiring to oust Gordon Brown - the protector of the McCanns, their friends, their commercial interests.
The game is nearly over. The truth will out, I think.
No one is getting out of this Scot free, I think. The public gave their verdict on May 1st, and they will insist that courts of law deliver verdicts, in due course.
The McCann Machine of media manipulators have lost their power base.
I think it is despicable that mere politicians have corrupted the integrity of the UKs diplomatic service, police, and child protection laws and customs.
Justice for Maddie is coming, thanks to the honest inquiry of the PJ, assisted by British Police, Interpol, FSS, child protection agencies, and equally important, the honest public, pursuing truth, without fear or favour, however long it takes, whatever it takes.
leigh3
It could not have been said better
*Justice for Maddie*
Mandarinn, the arrogance is amazing, isn't it?But on the other hand, also makes them do very stupid things.
McCann will be charged: negligence or manslaughter
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(Updated) According to a source of the Public Ministry (MP) in Lisbon, Kate and Gerry McCann may be called upon to respond before a Portuguese court for the crime of negligence, not yet confirmed if the couple is also accused of homicide.
The prosecution and investigators of the Judicial Police have agreed to meet formally in a few weeks to decide what are the accusations made against the couple. According to the same source, the secret of justice around the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine will continue until August, after which passed the vacations, the MP would be ready to move towards the trial.
After receiving the final results of the expert remains of blood and biological and synthetic residues, investigators have seen their line of investigation but confirmed the Public Ministry would like to play prudence in court because, given the lawyers hired by Kate and Gerry McCann It will not have to leave room for any doubt.
The results reveal an almost perfect similarity between the genetic profile of blood found in the Renault Scenic rented by McCann and Madeleine. The results were identical to those made on the remnants of blood found in the apartment at the Ocean Club.
Even if the remains were in good quality and results no longer doubt the investigators, the process used for the analysis-Low Copy Number - is disputed by some experts, even if the United Kingdom "Crown Prosecution Service" maintenance its confidence in the process.
Ecolab,
Maybe it's all over now, bar the shouting. The shouting of wrongdoers, incensed that their expensive, clever tactics failed.
Criminals, self-serving politicians, and second-rate media hacks all have a lot to say for themselves, and very little to offer the world, I think.
They are big egos, big mouths, and petty mercenaries. We're not buying their story anymore.
As you say: Justice for Maddie.
Perhaps, we can strive to see justice for every child, in time.
One child is every child, and this is why Maddie's fate attracts our sympathy, I think.
Best wishes to you and yours, our friend of truth, across the sea. One world if we make it so.
Hiya all
Leigh - did you notice it was a conservative MEP who went to Brussels and supported the McCanns - how do you explain that given you say the Labour Party...?
Do you really believe that now the conservativs arrive we will suddenly get Justice for Maddie?
I take your point Claudia. I was just intrigued by Amaral saying very soon and wanted to probe what it meant.
I believe they will be charged and it will be done using 'time' to work for the Portugese. I can foresee no reason why the public ministry would be allowed to be got at by any political interference.
Fortunately, us British are no longer hiding behind the power of an Empire.
Dolores,
Thank you for the reminder. Fortunately, 'low copy number' is admissable in court following a recent UK ruling (am sure Viv can explain), and this has a bearing on the credibility of the FSS findings, used by the PJ, and others.
Perhaps we should all remember that the British police have assisted the PJ inquiry, and endorse their investigation, contrary to the hysterical xenophobic campaign waged by mercenaries employed by the McCanns.
One missing English girl. One Police investigation, crossing national boundaries in pursuit of truth.
This will take as long as it takes. It has been delayed. It cannot be stopped.
Justice is coming.
Just leaving for a moment to put the boys to sleep. I don't know why but I have a calm confidence these two will be caught out and for homicide not negligence. Just a feeling.
leigh3
Thank you very much - you are always so kind. My best regards to you and yours too :-))
*Justice for Maddie and all children*
Hiya Viv,
Yup. I saw the minor backbench 'rent a quote', wannabe grandstanding Tory nobody go to Brussels, jumping on a bandwagon he thought would flatter his image in his constituency.
Tsk. All politicians are tarts, in my opinion; some are brighter than others; some have a modicum of integrity; most don't, in my opinion.
My central point is this: the McCanns used their political and media contacts to project their version of events in defence of self-preservation for them, and their commercial interests involving others. Their network is Nu Labour. Their network is crumbling now, and I care more for the truth about Maddie, and the protection of all children, than I do about any politician, media tart or two-faced adult.
Just my opinion. Just my priority. Life's a team effort. Just as well there are many who offset my militant perspective ;-)
bath theory
That is right. Britain is no longer an Empire, but some people still think they are superior!
I think those "doctors" are a disgrace to the Profession.
Maybe you Brit do no longer have the power of an Empire, but you have the power of the People and the power of Hearts. Worth so much more.
Ecolab.
I agree: they are a disgrace to their profession, and it is the keen minds and kind hearts of the public - and our diligent civil servants - who will insist on truth for Maddie, and every child, in time. This is our world, and it will be made according to our will, in time.
Bath theory, Public Ministery is not a political thing , it is a intitution of justice ehere judges instaure the processes representing citizens interests, or the country.
They have the same education as judges and they entiteled to defend citizens analizing and pPreparing crimes to court .
Portuguese constitution respect independence of pwers since 19th century.
The indepence of justice has in portugal a tradition that comes from midle age when a king did a law which oblige judges to come from out of the region, to protect a fair judgment.
Hi All
I seriously think they know they have lost a lot of sympathy from the public which is why they wish to shy away from publicity now.
It is sickening to think that any parent is put above a child I cant believe they are getting away with a hotline number to hear the evidence.
If she was taken they have nothing to fear but Madeleine does she will have had nothing but fear for a whole year so I will continue to save my sympathy for her.
If she was really taken then they should have co operated with the PJ instead of calling press confrences and then refusing to answer questions and spinning every negative into a postive for them.
A peadophile may have taken Madeleine and this sick scum has no right to have taken her from her bed but if they had co operated instead of running a marketing campaigne and putting her in more danger by releasing the picture of her eye maybe the PJ would have believed them.
With a 2.5 million reward on offer though there must be people out there that would shop the scum in a heartbeat no questions asked.
If Mrs Fenn heard her crying on the 2nd and had to call reception to report it they know it would come out and have covered themselves by mentioning it themselves and trying to make it look good that they thought about taking the children for Dinner. I was talking to some people at work months ago and said about the Crying on the second and they and I said at the time it is just hearsay when it was revealed by the McCanns to be true they were even more sure the McCanns are lying how many more things are going to come out that they try to spin their way?
Madeleine was left alone night after night with her younger brother and sister it is not only cruel it is bloody dangerous but it is ok because they were naive?
If she was taken may the person who took her rot in hell and if the McCanns are lying they should know as devoute catholics that god cant be bought.
Bath Theory, Mr Amaral's words had nothing to do with the investigation.
Hope - well said!
Claudia - you mean Amaral was talking about his book, in which the truth will be revealed?
Boa Noite Claudia y Portugal, our oldest ally. Always a pleasure to read you all. Meanwhile...
HOPE: I am sorry to say that the paedophile and abduction theories are just plain wrong. Impossible. There is no evidence of an abduction. None. Sorry. Kind hearts want to believe the McCanns' story could be true. Hard logic says it cannot be true. Evidence agrees.
It is the manipulation of kind hearts that makes me angry about this case. It is bad enough that one little girl has paid for her parents neglect, and their spineless holiday friends say nothing about their own neglect, but when I see honest inquiry by the appropriate authorities, supported by the public, conned, manipulated, abused, and deceived...it confirms my view that lies must be unmasked, however long it takes, 'whoever it hurts', as the Portuguese say.
Who will speak for powerless, voiceless, voteless children if responsible adults do not? No one.
Politicians and their media/commercial tarts would rob any child, given the chance. The child is nothing to them. The child has no money, no vote, no voice.
Viv, I believe these words should be used under a picture of Madeleine to mark the anniversary in a new article. They are written
by LEIGH3
...It is bad enough that one little girl has paid for her parents neglect, and their spineless holiday friends say nothing about their own neglect, but when I see honest inquiry by the appropriate authorities, supported by the public, conned, manipulated, abused, and deceived...it confirms my view that lies must be unmasked, however long it takes, 'whoever it hurts', as the Portuguese say.
Who will speak for powerless, voiceless, voteless children if responsible adults do not? No one.
Politicians and their media/commercial tarts would rob any child, given the chance. The child is nothing to them. The child has no money, no vote, no voice.
(PS I would change tarts for 'goafers')
ONE VICTIM - MADELEINE BETH MCCANN who should be running around carefree & joyfully in a school playgroud tomorrow but she will not be due, WHY?
Leigh
"Who will speak for powerless, voiceless, voteless children if responsible adults do not? No one." Well said.
My problem is I allways believe people and even when I doubt them I try and keep an open mind with this though every time they spin I dont belive a word they say. Then I think to myself if they are guilty they are making themselves look guilty with all the spin???
Put it this way If I am ever accused of something I did not do please keep CM far far away from me xxx
Another word for goafers in life is 'brown nosers' which I quite like myself. It sums it up nicely.
Hope,
Personally, I'd like CM to be kept away from me whatever the circumstances.
:)
LGC
I had not looked at it that way yes indeed please keep him away in any situation...
Have you had a nice day???
xxx
Hope,
Last week, a male media friend said: 'But normal people couldn't do what the McCanns have done (he meant their public campaign).' He meant: how can they be guilty of anything including neglect because they look and sound so heartfelt.
My daughter, aged 14, said: 'You have just answered your own question. They are not normal. What else is not normal about them?'
Night, Hope. Hope springs eternal :-)
xo
leigh
Night Leigh
Your daughter is a wise girl xxx
Hope,
Yes thank you! Went out and wandered around in the warmth of the non-sunshine.
Did you have a nice day?
X
Bath Theory,
Going now, but glad our words and values appear on the same page.
Madeleine should be in school tomorrow. Why isn't she there, you ask. Why? The one syllable that leads to all inquiry and truth, as you know, Mr Tutor ;-)
I wish every child had the chance to ask that question: why, safe in the knowledge that responsible adults would allow them to speak.
See you next time, bath theory. Gotta go.
x
leigh
Librarising, I mean he wasn't referring to the investigation! ;-)
Boa noite, Leigh!
"Who will speak for powerless, voiceless, voteless children (...)"
Gonçalo Amaral. :-)
I'm going to turn in early this evening...
...night night all.
Hope you have a lovely Bank Holiday tomorrow (or lovely non-Bank Holiday if you're not in the UK!).
:)
LGC
Had a lovely day but it rained again when I went to the Farden Cetre...
We went to a Car Boot Sale today and my youngest insisted she wanted to buy a fish tank (I am terified of fish) but thought ok it cant get out and get me so she bought a 30 litre tank in very good condition for £4.00...
So we went to the pet shop to buy a pump gravel toy diver etc and the total would have been about £60 without the fish which she was disapointed she could not put in for a week...
So now I am looking on line for a good deal on a starter kit as it would be cheaper to buy a tank with everything in it!!!!! Who ever said you can get a bargain at a car boot sale is a liar (I bet we will be out again tomorrow at the Farden centre buying a brand new one) LOL...
Any one want to buy a fish tank one careful owner???
xxx
Night LGC xxx
OK Claudia ;}
Wouldn't it be a fine day if the truth did come out? I know these things are so often never finally settled, what with appeals etc etc, but I can imagine events being taken beyond spin at least.
Goodnight Leigh.
I am off too but I am still of the opinion after all the interviews this week that Madeleine and the bath have a part to play in all of this.
I feel confident as I said before that the process will lead to a conviction. I have nothing to back those words up except a soul and a smile that warms my heart.
Goodnight all.
Boa noite Claudia.
Mr Amaral et al. Criminal court. Libel court. 'Publish and be damned'.
All that matters is that this big lie is exposed, imo. For the sake of the voiceless, powerless, defenceless who have no money or vote to 'influence' and 'control' - two of the McCanns' favourite words, two of the words favoured by their political, PR, media, and commercial 'friends'.
xo
Grandma Leigh
Dear Bath Theory.
Am going too. A 'soul' and a 'heart' determined is all it takes, my friend of true inquiry.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !
Viv,
I sent you a mail containing a photo of the Pope blessing Madeleine's photo. And tried to translate the text in proper English.
Boa noite to anyone leaving.
Librarising, yes, it would be a great day!
Hiya all
Sorry I have not been able to contribute much but I just wanted to echo what Bath just said. Almost certainly he is right that bathtime has so much to do with this. We have seen the timeline which the PJ are specifically interested in - in between 6.30 and 8 pm. During this period we know the children were bathed. It is without doubt, IMO, the time when Madeleine died, although I am not sure it is as a result of the bath itself (violence) or whether it was at 7.15 when Gerry says the children were put to sleep (over-sedation of Madeleine, either intentionally (murder) or by accident (manslaughter).
I believe Bath is correct when he says the Police are now getting to the position where they can bring charges but I do doubt if they can actually prove precisely what happened to Madeleine and this will make a decision as to the appropriate charges difficult, bearing in mind, as they clearly do, they have to have very detailed and clear evidence to back those charges otherwise McCanns lawyers will be able to create that element of doubt which will mean they do not get convicted. We must be patient and understand how hard the police work to make sure they do get evidence that will make the charges stick and translate into convictions.
Viv x
Claudia,
I agree with you, I believe it is highly unlikely that they will ever see the inside of a courtroom, I think the way the truth will be known is via Goncalo Amaral, by way of his book..Lizzy
Hope,
So you were responsible for the weather today!!!!! You know you musn't go to a farden centre.
We had lovely weather here.
Cláudia,
Have you moved to another house or just new furnitures? I helped a friend yesterday who just moved.
To everyone,
I've been reading today about Kate and Gerry.
And have a lot of questions.
I'll just ask 2 now.
1. What was the exactly reason why Kate stopped working as a GP? She said she wanted to concentrate on missing children.
2. Has anyone heard of medical errors in the past of Kate and Gerry? Not from the Tapas 7.
Lizzy, very likely.
Atardi, no, not a new house. Only new furniture and decorating. I hate moving. And I get attached to the places where I live and to the objects that sorround me. Everything brings back memories. Everything has emotional value. Furniture will probably be here tomorrow. In the meantime, I post from a mattress on the floor! :-) But soon I'll have a nicer room that her majesty! :-)
Lizzie
I think we do need to accept that for the Police and the prosecution to prove beyond any reasonable doubt as is required in a court of law they have a very difficult task. The McCanns disposed of the vital evidence that would have proved of that. They disposed of Madeleine and they damaged any vestiges of evidence at the scene by stringent cleaning, meaning that blood could not be seen, it had to be found by sniffer dogs and then low copy number DNA used.
It can often be the case, as here, where the police know what the McCanns did but they cannot prove it to the very high standards required in a court of law. Then, as a backup to achieving justice we will have to rely upon the book to be written by Goncalo Amaral, that is another form of justice and the world can then take a view about Kate and Gerry McCann. Whether they get convicted or not, we know the answer. Sometimes justice has to come in a different way, I sincerely hope that is not the case, but Claudia is so right to flag this up and prepare us for the way things may turn out.
Not being able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt in court, certainly does not make the McCanns innocent x
Viv x
The PJ and Prosecutors will have a very difficult, no impossible job to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Madeline was harmed resulting in death and then who did it, who cleaned up the scene etc? Impossible!
What is also appalling to me if true, that IF such an event took place and rather than just waiting to see if the PJ can bring a case with what is left as evidence, go the opposite direction and invent an abductor and all the lies that went with it. If it did happen it would rank as a multi-layered crime of the century with multiple person involvement.
Hiya Joe
I do not have access to all the evidence the Police have so it is very difficult to form a view about prosecution, I will just say this, what we see is a very guilty couple who most certainly were responsible for the death of Madeleine. I find it hard to believe they will never face charges of some type, this is why IMO 12 months on Portuguese and British Police will not shelve this case, they know how serious it is, and they know this couple must face justice, so they continue..if they had just given up we would have heard! We should not just give up either. When you have such intelligent and highly devious defendants, absolutely determined to avoid justice, no matter how low they stoop, it is bound to be difficult for the police, but other people have been brought down by the police, in the end. They have made many mistakes particularly in their conduct since and have provided the police with powerful evidence against them. If I had time I could sit and chart all the contradictory lies they have told, you can bet the police have done precisely that.
Viv x
Hi Viv,
I agree with you if this does not go to court it does not mean they are innocent.Merely that there is insufficient evidence to be able to prove they are guilty, is this what the prosecutor will make his decision on?
But at least if Amaral's book is published the truth will come out that way, which is something, he is to be adnired in my opinion for his brave and honest stance re this case. A pity the same cannot be said for our Government. Lizzy
Cláudia,
After my last moving, nearly 15 years ago, I promissed myself that it was the last moving. I hope the majesty doesn't read Viv's blog.
About the McCanns being charged or not. They are the ones who must live with the guilt of Madeliene's disappearance.
Yesterday there was another documentary about Madeleine. What surprised me was that the police suspected the parents from the beginning and not what we have been reading in the media.
The problem with K&G is that they must try to convince people that Madeleine is still alive. Because thinking of Madeleine being dead would bring people back asking questions about forensic evidence and the mobile phone forensic evidence.
Hello
I've been quite busy for a few days and have no idea what is going on in this case lately. As such I have nothing to contribute really. I need to read the papers and previous posts to catch up a bit.
Hope you have all been well.
Viv,
Of course you are right I do not know what the evidence is that the PJ have and even with the best evidence its down to how good lawyers are, the Judge(s) and several other factors and still difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
I think the PJ are very reluctant to let this go and the arguido status may remain or the files kept secret for a very long time so I do not think the Macs are going to have it all their own way. GM is very keen to get these files he virtually mentions them every time he opens his mouth. Why should he worry it cannot be much as he and Kate are innocent and its all the abductors fault.
Hiya Lizzie
Criminal law is very precise and quite biased in favour of defendants. There are historical policy reasons for this. In years gone by if defendants were convicted of murder they could expect the death sentence. The law is slow, old and cumbersome, built up over centuries and does not change fundamental principles clearly established very quickly.
In order to prosecute for any criminal offence the prosecution must carefully weigh all the evidence and be of the view they can put before the court a compelling case the defendants are guilty of the charges they face. Unfortunately in this case, the prosecutors will have to look at the strength of the opposition they face and this will be formidable. No one ever said the law is completely fair, it is not. The intellect of Kate and Gerry McCann and the amount of support they have been able to muster does weigh very heavily in their favour. People with such an intellect know their rights and they know how to fight. They knew they were entitled to consular assistance and they used it to the full. They were also successfully able to lobby for support from the government in dealing with the massive media interest which they were working so hard to foster. They were able to start a fund and get top legal advice from the money they collected. Can you just imagine Shannon's mum even knowing where to start?
I have said before that preparation and tactics are so important to winning a legal case and I am afraid that is right. The McCanns have used every possible tool they can to fight, not for Madeleine, but for themselves. Even the protection of the twins was prevented due to this. Again, can anyone imagine the Income Support mom who left her kids as they did, still being allowed to keep them, well of course not. I think it is for all these sort of reasons I just wanted to highlight what the McCanns are about and how they seek to evade justice. It is a mammoth struggle for all of us, including the police and one we can never guarantee we will win. That is very sad for innocent little children who need to be protected from all of this. We still live in a world where intellect and deviousness can pay very rich dividends. I continue to hope good will prevail over evil.
I really admire Goncalo Amaral because he is an intelligent and compassionate man who understands all of this. If justice cannot be brought for Madeleine in the traditional way then he will bring it for her anyway. For this he deserves to be admired for the decent, honest and very, very brave man that he clearly is. He will make enemies by the stand that he has taken, but he continues to do what is right for little victims like Madeleine, we should all admire and respect him for that as I most certainly do.
Viv x
Hello, Doc! :-)
Atardi, I hope her majesty doesn't or she might sue me! :-)
Hello homeless one!
Where was Viv mentioned on 3a?
Can you believe this !!
Children taken off drunken parents
8:10pm today
A British couple on holiday in Portugal had their three young children temporarily taken into protective custody after they became so drunk that they passed out, officials said.
Hotel staff in Vilamoura in the Algarve called police after the couple collapsed on Friday night. They were rushed to a health centre in nearby Loule while their children aged one, two and six were taken to the Refugio Aboim Ascensao children's home in Faro.
Dr Luis Villas-Boas, the home's director, said the incident was "very very shocking".
"It is the first time it has happened in my 22 years working at this home," he said. "It's normal for a couple for one to drink while the other doesn't drink. The problem here is they were both passed out. It was extreme neglect and abandonment. I hope somebody carries this information to the UK so these parents can at least be seen because these children are indeed at risk.
The couple, who are believed to from Northern Ireland, arrived with their children at the Aparthotel Mourabel in Vilamoura on Friday for a one-week holiday.
A barman at the hotel's tapas bar, who did not want to be named, said they were well-dressed, "nice people" with well-behaved children. On Friday night the parents had been drinking at a nearby bar with a happy hour until 8pm where a pint of lager costs just one euro, he said.
The husband collapsed in the hotel reception while his wife staggered into the bar with her children and fell into a chair, the barman said.
Dr Villas-Boas said his children's home was called at just after midnight and asked to provide emergency shelter for three British children whose parents were drunk. The children were returned to their parents the next morning
The three children showed no signs of neglect, and Dr Villas-Boas believe they not will have any lasting ill effects from their ordeal.
A spokesman for the local police in Vilamoura said: "Staff called us at 10pm as the children were crying and they could not revive the parents, who were both out cold. We arrived to assess the situation and called the INEM (Portugal's national medical emergency service) as the parents were unconscious, and they were taken to hospital. The INEM called the social services. We looked after the children until the social services arrived and they took them away."
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IN YOUR AREA
Hiya Atardi
Could it be even more simple? If the McCanns admitted Madeleine was dead, as they were starting to concede in the early stages, they could be no basis for their continued fund raising, which is predicated on them "searching for Madeleine", this they argue is why they need millions, why does Madeleine needs millions? Truth is she does not, but her parents do..Money was never what Madeleine needed, was it?
Hey, doc!
I'm not homeless. I have a matress on the floor! :-) And an internet connection.
Viv was mentioned in the 3 As? I have no idea. I don't read it often.
Cláudia,
We might be in big trouble. Remember prins Charles received an e-mail too from a nanny?
He might send my mail to his mother because I didn't use a capital at her majesty.
But I'm used now from being "watched".
Dolores, that has been all over on the Portuguese news since yesterday. So sad. Brainless, moronic excuses for parents.
Hiya Dolores
Perhaps a sign that Portuguese officials will take appropriate action now against piss headed and pathetic UK parents! I wish they would prosecute them too..
Viv x
Oh my, Atardy, me neither!
Goodbye, all of you, my friends! :-)
Claudia
Are you like the person in the pic I just mailed you? ;-)
Docmac,
Je bent er weer. Nice to "see" you.
Today we had the commemoration of the dead, we commemorate people who died during the WWII. And tomorrow we will have the Liberation Day.
Weet jij iets van medische fouten van de man? Ik heb iets gelezen over een fatale ingreep bij een kind van hem.
Hi Dolores and Viv. Goedenavond Atardi. I need to get some food. Anyone for coffee? I'll be gone for a while.
Doc, I haven´t received the e-mail yet but I'll let you know! :-)
Hey Doc
I just got myself a delicious Mocha and a nice choc bar too:-)))))))
Viv,
You can't beleive this would happen in light of the Mc's.What is wrong with people,they must have been reading the Mc case surely, that they could get up to two years imprisonment for this.
Again babies involved,why some people have children is beyond me.
XX D
Hi Doc, :)
Atardi,
Nee, ek weet nie daarvan nie. What child?
Be back in a bit.
Doc, I'm on my laptop, it's not cold so I'm not under a blanket and I think I can say I'm better looking! :-)
I would love a coffee.
Doc
I stick to water this time of night.So I will have iced water and a slice of lemon.
x D
Viv,
The postman has been
xx D
Dolores
Some Brits make you feel so embarrassed to be British, it is like the Brit football thugs renown all over the world. Are continental countries going to think ..Oh middle class Brit people nicely dressed children but tonight they will get hopelessly pissed and not care what happens to those little children? Kate and Gerry have done British reputation a lot of harm but if if flags up a wider issue about parents who love drinking more than anything else maybe it is a good thing and time we looked at it, to see how we can better protect children. Maybe also when these parents are really letting their hair down on holiday, foreign countries should get a lot tougher and start prosecuting them. I would certainly back that!
Viv
I agree, they need a damn good lesson taught to them,and it might make others think more responsibly,and have more respect for their children.
xx D
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