9 Jul 2008

MARTIN SMITH ASKED "IS SHE ASLEEP" ??

Hi all,

As further reports emerge concerning the Irish witness Martin Smith and his family who saw a man matching Gerry McCann on 3 May I thought it would be helpful to post this very interesting article I found posted by Paulo Reis from Sol on 5 August, last year.

As you will know, it has always been my belief that Gerry McCann carried Madeleine off that night and realising he had been spotted got Jane Tanner to make up the sighting where she gave a description matching Gerry, initially saying he was Northern European and had short dark hair but then when Gran Cooper came up with her e-fit stating, well actually, yes he was just like that..he has morphed into the distinctly swarthy man with long hair and frightening teeth. I have read that thanks to Gran Cooper the PJ were forced to investigate this and wasted a huge amount of time and resources upon it. It really is heartbreaking that the McCanns and their team have quite deliberately given them so much wasted work which was clearly never going to find Madeleine.

When reading through this however what really upset me is the thought of just why would Jane Tanner state that the man was carrying the child in what she confessed on Panorama was a very odd way limply in open arms across the body..this is how you would carry a dead child, because if you held the child up against your body in the normal way the head would flop down. As will be seen in this report Martin Smith even said to this man, is she asleep, but the man put his head down and ignored him. Hardly friendly holiday behaviour!

Also, I had not previously realised that the GNR had deployed their own dog for several hours in the McCann apartment just before the arrival of the British dogs and this dog also marked Madeleine's death in that apartment and the British dogs confirmed this. Not long back I reported that this dog had passed out as a fully trained dog (I am assuming it is the same one judging by the description of it). We now have it confirmed that death was marked in the McCanns bedroom, behind the sofa in the living room and in the flower bed. As will be seen here, back in August 2007 it was realised the body had been moved in the apartment. I suppose the question is where did she die? It would seem to me to be in the McCann's bedroom and then perhaps moved to just behind the sofa near the patio door for removal. Gerry has even remarked how quiet it was normally and he you would not expect to bump into anyone, but unfortunately for him he bumped into Wilkins and I believe he also bumped into Martin Smith and his family. The fact that there are other members of Mr Smith's family who have given evidence will corroborate his evidence and make it much more powerful. If Madeleine was carried openly like this by Gerry then it would seem she did not have serious and visible injuries which again would seem to point to over-sedation. I recall there were early reports of a syringe being found in the McCann's bedroom but do not know whether that is accurate. When taken with the fact that two nights before Madeleine was reported crying by Mrs Fenn and her young visitor and the night before Kate even admits Madeleine and Sean were crying, the fact that they went and left them again can only lead to one conclusion IMO. They made sure none of the children would interrupt their fun again, fatally for Madeleine. It is simply heartbreaking and I am appalled at what a wicked liar Jane Tanner is, she can sue me if she wants, it will not stop me saying it!!

This report also confirms the factual basis for the claims made by Portuguese detectives that little Madeleine was dumped at sea. Such wickedness is very hard to comprehend. That little Madeleine could not even have a decent burial, she was just dumped. Truly terrible. For Leicester Police to go and interview Martin Smith and family and for them to then fly out to Portugal it says it all really as to how seriously they viewed his evidence and he has no reason to lie about such a serious matter. They have his evidence and I feel this talk of the PJ failing to re-interview him as though it was somehow fatal to their investigation is just pure propaganda!

Viv x

The investigations have returned to their initial course.
Portuguese and British police search for the body of the child in the surroundings of Praia da Luz.
By Felícia Cabrita (felícia.cabrita@sol.pt) and Margarida Davim (magarida.davim@sol.pt)Weekly "Sol" (Original version, in Portuguese)Translated by: Mark
“There are strong signs” that Madeleine, the English child that disappeared from Praia da Luz almost one hundred days ago, “is dead”, police sources have told Sol. The 180º turnaround that the investigation by the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) from Portimao seems to have done in the past few days, even led the Attorney General, Pinto Monteiro, to postpone the making of an interview that had been requested by British media chain BBC – an interview that would be focusing on the fact that, so long after Maddie’s disappearance, the authorities still remain without real clues concerning her whereabouts.Although an official source from the PGR justified the postponing of the interview with “agenda issues”, the moves by the PJ and some elements from the British police during these last days – accompanied by two dogs, in Praia da Luz – seem to indicate that the investigation is now centred on the McCann family and their group of friends. Sol could find out that the English dogs are trained for different tasks. One, to detect human remains originating from dead flesh, and the other one to detect human blood or fluids. A specialist that was contacted by Sol explains that the technique of these animals rests on scientific bases, and that while “one of the dogs can distinguish between natural death or death by accident that does not involve bloodshed, the other one can diagnose whether someone died a violent death, with bloodshed or other spilled fluids”.Tuesday night, a black and white cocker spaniel that is trained to detect death, spent several hours in the apartment that the McCann family occupied in the Ocean Club resort, and from where Maddie disappeared on May 3. According to sources within the investigation, the dog marked the death of the child inside the apartment.On the dogs’ trailThe English dogs do not contradict the clues that were detected by the sniffer dog that GNR sent to the location, on the day following the English girl’s disappearance. It’s an animal that only follows odours, and that “detected the movement of the child from the room to another point inside the apartment”, according to a source with the Guarda. The same source said that “based on that signal, it was not possible to conclude whether the child was alive or dead – because a sniffer dog will smell both the living and the dead”. Yet, outside the house, both through the windows that faced the Tapas restaurant – where the McCanns had dinner with their seven friends – and through the main door, “the dog lost the trail, as if the child had exited, for example, rolled up in a blanket”, that source said. A team from Sol, on the terrain for the last two weeks, could observe the work of the cocker spaniel from the British police, performing several diligences along the water in Praia da Luz and in a nearby valley.The animal’s path, on Wednesday night, seemed to test the deposition from several witnesses that were heard by the PJ in late May – namely an Irish family that have been living in Luz, and who, on the day that Maddie vanished, reportedly crossed ways with a man that carried a child that seemed to be asleep. According to their deposition to PJ, Martin Smith, his wife and his children, after leaving the Kelly bar, which is located approximately 400 metres from the Ocean Club, around 9.50 / 10.00 pm, saw an individual described as Caucasian, measuring 1.70 – 1.75 m, walking towards the beach. The Irish man told Sol that he knew Robert Murat (the only arguido in the process) visually for years – and also remembered seeing the Anglo-Portuguese man in a bar that evening, “already a bit intoxicated”. Therefore, the Irish dismissed the possibility that the person he saw carrying a child could be Murat: “If it was him, I guarantee to you that I would have recognized him”.Concerning the clothes the man he saw on that night was wearing, Smith only refers the “beige trousers”, given the fact that his upper body was hidden by the child’s body, which was not covered. It is curious that one of the elements that formed the group of Maddie’s parents’ friends, guaranteed to PJ several days before Smith was heard, that - at a moment when she left the table to check on the group’s children - she had crossed ways with a man that was wearing trousers that fit the description that was also made by the Irish man. That individual was also carrying a sleeping child. And the witness, who even managed to see what pyjamas the child was wearing, just “thought it was strange that the child was barefoot and uncovered”. This witness said it would be 9.15 pm.Direct access to the PMAccording to the course the PJ from Portimao is now conducting the investigation, and considering the trail that the British police’s cocker spaniel tracked along the sea shore, the individual would have descended to Praia da Luz, where he could have disposed of Maddie’s body. Sol knows that the English team contacted João Alveirinho Dias, a professor at the University of Algarve and a specialist in oceanography, in order to collect information about the sea’s dynamics and the beach area where everything may have happened. The investigator, who was not briefed about the context of the police inquiries, told “Sol" that he was consulted on “the sand movements, where they come from and where they go to”. The police investigation has therefore, and according to our sources, returned to its initial course, and it becomes increasingly clear, as Sol had reported previously, that there is no proof against Murat.Yet, the British media continue to point a finger at the Anglo-Portuguese man, although the criminal investigation has returned to clues that relate to the group of friends of Madeleine’s parents. A journalist with the Daily Express – who has repeatedly contacted Sol searching for new information on this case – recognized this week that it is “difficult for an English newspaper to adopt a critical tone concerning Madeleine’s parents”. The Daily Express cited, in one of its last reports, the news that have been published by Sol, describing them as a “hate campaign” against the McCanns.The same journalist ended up confessing that “it’s the only way we can transmit your data”. Sol knows that Gerry McCann has regular contact with Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister. Clarence Mitchell – who was the first spokesman for the McCanns and is now in the press cabinet at Nº 10, Downing Street – confirms those contacts. “I know there is a communication line between Gerry and Gordon Brown. I know they talk. But I don’t know what they talk about, because those are informal conversations”, he clarified, further adding: “The Madeleine case is treated whenever there are bilateral meetings between Portugal and the United Kingdom. Gordon Brown is sensitive to the case and wants it solved quickly”.Translated by: Mark 04.08.2007
Posted by Paulo Reis at 22:29:00

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viv said...

I was also very interested to read the comments about The Daily Express reporter who it seems to me was actually anti-McCann and claimed that it was so difficult to put things in UK papers he had to put the information across in a negative way!

I also recall seeing a video with a DE reporter who gave me the distinct impression he was not Pro-McCann and of course the repeated interviews Clarence was giving where his hatred of the Daily Express was not even thinly disguised.

Viv x

viv said...

By the way, I applaud the European Parliament for having the decency to fail to accept Kate and Gerry's request for a Europe wide Amber Alert system. It would not have worked like it does inter-state in US anyway as one of our regular posters explained! But to have backed the McCanns in this way would have sent a very bad message, and I am so pleased they are not seen to be supporting these two!

Viv x

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv.
To be honest, i don't know if the Amber Alert system is the best solution or not. However, the simple fact that the McCanns were backing it, made it a joke. It could be the best system in the world but with such supporters, it could not work. It's the same has having a suspected child sexual abuser campaigning against paedophilia. Or a suspected wife beater campaigning against domestic violence. Ridiculous.
Sleep tight, querida Viv.
xxxx

docmac said...

Hi Viv

I strongly agree with most of what you said in the post. My one bone of contention is that I can't fathom how you could even think about Jane Tanner having any ambitions in the suing department. That's a non-starter for a liar.

Goodnight x.

ratonthebeam said...

It certainly put a spoke in Gerry's political ambitions wheel, that's for sure.

atardi said...

Hi Viv and all,

Thanks for the new article.

What I miss in the media is that the McCanns lost 2 cases.

1. They wanted the whole access of the police files, but they only got 81.

2. The Ambert Alert.

docmac said...

If this is true Oprah must have lost it, big time. Strange timing though, just after we hear the fund is down to 500k!

atardi said...

As for the money thing CM was talking about,

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MCCANNS' OPRAH WINDFALL
ABOVE: McCanns: To appear with Oprah
10th July 2008
By Jerry Lawton

MADELEINE McCann’s parents are planning a big bucks interview with US chatshow queen Oprah Winfrey to boost their search fund.

It is understood Oprah, 54, would be willing to break the bank for a cosy chat with Kate and Gerry.

Up to now the couple have resisted offers to appear on celebrity chatshows but they are considering Oprah after the fund set up to find Madeleine plunged to £500,000 – less than half the original amount donated by the public.

Along with private eyes’ bills, the cash has been spent on poster and advertising campaigns appealing for information about Madeleine and running an website.

The McCanns, who still haven’t been officially cleared, sparked controversy when they dipped into the fund twice last year to fund mortgage payments on their home in Rothley, Leics.

The couple’s spokes-man Clarence Mitchell has admitted the couple need to top it up to maintain the hunt for their five-year-old daughter.

Earlier this week police agreed to let the McCanns, both 40, see 81 witness statements taken after Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.

jerry.lawton@dailystar.co.uk

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viv said...

Hiya Claudia

Well, if the Europe wide alert did have any merit, then that is a real shame, but the seal of approval from Kate and Gerry McCann is like the kiss of death! I hope and actually believe, we can rely on (most) of those MEP's to do what is best for the children of Europe and that clearly would not include listening to Kate and Gerry McCann and their perverse views on childcare.

Doc

I am not seriously waiting for the Writ to arrive from Jane Tanner:-))) But one thing I have always prophesied, the Daily Express sit and wait, like a preying mantis, or even a coiled up cobra! They dealt the same blow to Archer as they have planned for the gruesome twosome, but will they be too late with books and serialisations about the gruesome twosome to cash in, maybe people will be McCanned out by the time they actually get to court, which I think could still be a long way off!

ROB

How lovely to hear from you again darling, how is it going on 3 As, I guess it keeps you pretty busy over there, but we are all on the same side, decency and justice, especially for innocent little children who do not get to choose their parents.

To a control freak who seriously gets off on feeling powerful, yes I agree Gerry did have high political aspirations but I think he was just too bent even for that job!

Viv xxxxxxx

viv said...

Hiya Atardi

Well as the Daily Express reporter said last August it is difficult to say anything against the McCanns in the UK press, but this is not the press and we know they lost, big time!

The greatest loss though is the fact that the Chief Constable of Leicester Police turned up at the High Court with a QC to oppose the McCanns wish to have the Portuguese/British file turned over to them. Now if they were just going to be declared innocent I hardly think he would have bothered!!!


Shame, shame, poor Kate and Gerry. Criminals as bad as these two deserve the tag for life!

docmac said...

Viv

Do you remember some time back I posted that I was in contact with the people at SACMEC who knew people who knew people who knew people and that I had a LOT of questions to ask? Well, don't ask ;-)))))

viv said...

When they are millions of living children, literally starving, how can the McCanns seriously justify continuing to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on an "investigation" that they admit, did not produce one single lead. How could it, what they want leads to is anyone who is going to give evidence against them, but they better watch their step there!


Viv x

viv said...

Doc

I don't even know what SACMEC is, so I guess I forgot!

Viv x

docmac said...

SACMEC being these good folk of course ;-)

Notice the ICMEC connection? Have you forgotten that post? I spent many an hour in argument and negotiations. I said then you can be sure Gerry will fail in his mission. I won.

viv said...

The South African Centre for Missing & Exploited Children (SACMEC) aspires to establish itself as a model organization in its efforts to raise funds in support of its mission to assist in the location and recovery of missing children and raise awareness about missing children and child sexual exploitation


Well I have to say Doc an organisation that works for all missing and exploited children has to be far better than one that spends hundreds of thousands on one child who the police insist is dead and to the exclusion of all other children. It is criminal!

viv said...

Hiya Doc

I just checked the meaning of the word supplicate because it seemed like the right word to me, but I am not sure Gerry heard of this one, and its meaning would go right over his head:

1. To ask for humbly or earnestly, as by praying.
2. To make a humble entreaty to; beseech.
v.intr.
To make a humble, earnest petition


He cannot truly align himself with such organisations because he has not just cause, so seeks to create his own, but I do not think he is really believing he is so rich, clever and powerful now. What does it take to cash in on a dead three year old, your own child, a man like him! What need can a man find for genuine organisations who support childrens' rights, none whatsoever!

viv said...

* not any man, a man like him, fortunately most of the population are not so afflicted x

docmac said...

Yes Viv

SACMEC, ICMEC, NCMEC, Interpol, Amber Alert et al. Everyone with clout knows someone within all these organisations.

And I hef vays und kontakts! Gerry never had a chance. I'm sorry you missed that post. It was quite a few weeks back.

I'm off now. Sleep well.

viv said...

doc, I have a confession to make, sometimes when there are a lot of posts, I do not get around to reading them all, but I try!

Luv Viv x

viv said...

can you email me?

xxxxxx

docmac said...

Yes I can email you Viv. I've just had a call informing me that I'm expected to clean another floor in an hour or so. And it is COLD! About 12C. What do you want to know?

The newest registered user is caingforever

Yes, I cai too.

ratonthebeam said...

Hi again Viv and all,

I have been pretty busy with 3As and work, which as you know, was coming up to end of term when everything gets pretty hectic. However that is me off now for 6 weeks, a bit like the Master Card advert! School's Out!

I'll be going to my flat for a bit so won't be around for the next 2 weeks or so, but will try and look in from an internet cafe or something. I can't see much happening before August anyway, to be honest, so doubt I will miss much.

We are off to catch some sun and do stuff as a family which for me, anyway, is the whole point of a family holiday. No kids clubs and unlocked apartments here!

BTW Clarrie, I waited in for you all day yesterday. Obviously mine was not one of your preferred 81 doors for knocking on. I am most miffed. That's you and me finished, boy!!!

docmac said...

For anon4 on the dark side:

Congenital syphilis is not sexually transmitted...

Have a great time Rat. Clarrie was probably knocking at your flat's door ;-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ROTB

You may not have had a personal call but don't leave your car parked in the road.

docmac said...

See anyone you 'know' in this report? It was of course written well before Maddie was killed, but it applies to her case too.


'Mourning sickness is a religion'

Britons are feeding their own egos by indulging in "recreational grief" for murdered children and dead celebrities they have never met, claims a report.
Think-tank Civitas said wearing charity ribbons, holding silences and joining protest marches all indicated the country was in emotional crisis.

The author said "mourning sickness" was a substitute for religion.

Rather than "piling up damp teddies and rotting flowers" people should go out and do some real good, he urged.

In his report, Conspicuous Compassion, author Patrick West said people were trying to feel better about themselves by taking part in "manufactured emotion".

Describing extravagant public displays of grief for strangers as 'grief-lite' Mr West said these activities were, "undertaken as an enjoyable event, much like going to a football match or the last night of the proms".

"Mourning sickness is a religion for the lonely crowd that no longer subscribes to orthodox churches. Its flowers and teddies are its rites, its collective minutes' silences its liturgy and mass.

"But these new bonds are phoney, ephemeral and cynical," he said.
"We saw this at its most ghoulish after the demise of Diana. In truth, mourners were not crying for her, but for themselves," he wrote.

Years later, he claimed, "Diana had served her purpose. The public had moved on. These recreational grievers were now emoting about Jill Dando, Linda McCartney or the Soham girls."

His 80-page pamphlet said that while the Soham murders were "unquestionably tragic", it was "almost as distressing to see sections of the public jumping on the grief bandwagon".


He said the traditional minute's silence has suffered "compassion inflation" and become meaningless.

"They are getting longer and we are having more of them, because we want to be seen to care."

"When a group called Hedgeline calls for a two-minute silence to remember all the 'victims' whose neighbours have grown towering hedges, we truly have reached the stage where this gesture has been emptied of meaning," he added.

Moving on to the wearing of charity ribbons, the report said the act served to "celebrate the culture of victimhood" and was an egotistical gesture to announce "I care".

The trend had not been accompanied by a tangible increase in charity donations, it added, and there was now an "unspoken competition" to see who could wear their Remembrance Day poppy earliest, "particularly among politicians".

And on going on demonstrations, the report said it was "too often an exercise in attention-seeking".

"Next time you profess that you "care" about something, consider your motives and the consequences of your words and actions. Sometimes, the only person you really care about is you," said the report.

Civitas, also known as the Institute for the Study of Civil Society, was launched in 2000 as an independent registered charity.

Source

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys.
Did the very competent private detectives hired by the McCanns find Madeleine already? Three days now. Still counting...

docmac said...

A post from Im Wondering on the 3A:

How many grieving people show up with flowers & cards & stuffed animals to mourn the tragic death of someone they've never met,

and yet fail to mend broken relationships within their own families & friends before it's too late?

How many Madeleine supporters spend countless days online, prophetizing & praying & making videos for a little girl they've never met,

and yet fail to spend that same time with their own children, grandchildren, or neices & nephews who deserve that attention?

FAKES.


I could not agree more, well said.

Cláudia said...

Doc, the huge majority of the pros, who blindly defend the McCanns, are people who treated/treat their own children and grandchildren with the same contempt the McCanns showed for their 3 toddlers. That is why they will never accept that madeleine, Sean and Amelie were neglected or that their neglect is a punishable crime. Acknowledging that would be saying that they themselves are/were neglecters, ie criminals.

Wizard said...

Hi Everyone,
3A’s are reporting that Amber Alert has backing from 393 MEP’s and therefore goes forward as a resolution for consideration. So Amber Alert championed by the McCanns may as yet go through and be accepted as law by the EU.

Clarence will no doubt triumphantly announce this as a resounding success for the Mcs.

Yesterday it failed today it has not?

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

'Hi, guys.
Did the very competent private detectives hired by the McCanns find Madeleine already? Three days now. Still counting...'

They will probably be having afternoon tea in the back farden with the old man who spotted M with the couple who came to view his secondhand farden furniture. No doubt that will be a lengthy visit/interview. They will have to all their own forensics testing and what not.

viv said...

Hiya Doc,

Well did the wearing of green hair bands in her hair or those wrist bands or even flogging them to the public via paypal demonstrate to us that Kate and Gerry care about little Madeleine? Of course not and for me it has always seemed like they just want to make her the most famous child in the world because this is a good marketing ploy that generates cash to help them pay for their defence and more. Why should the world be flooded with the image of one missing child, who the police insist is dead. Because it seems to suit her parents, no other reason. We should remember what Gerry said, "well find the body and prove we killed her". A little odd to say that and then several months later to start protesting she may well be alive, the Americans told them so!

ROB

I hope you have a lovely break. If you are going to have a good break I guess it does not involve taking your laptop and then plugging your mobile in to it to get online! How or why did Gerry think he would need to do that and how convenient for the Portuguese /British Police who wanted to listen in. The Police love people who love technology!

atardi said...

Wizard,

You mean this?

EU govts failing to implement lost children hotlines

18 minutes ago

BRUSSELS (AFP) — EU nations are failing to do enough to protect missing children, the European Commission said on Thursday, accusing member states of dragging their feet on setting up hotlines.

Of the European Union's 27 member states, only Hungary has taken all the necessary action to implement the hotlines.

"Alarm bells should be ringing in the other 26 member states," said EU Telecommunications Commissioner Viviane Reding said.

"It is a pity that in many countries action doesn't seem to follow words when it comes to implementing numbers that can provide precious help to parents and children.

Six-digit numbers starting with 116 have been reserved across the EU for missing children hotlines and helplines which children can call.

However, a recent EU survey found that very few member states had implemented the numbers, and little effort had been made by governments to get the numbers known, as required by EU law.

"The commission has done its part of the job and hopes that it won't be necessary to start legal proceedings on a matter where there should be broad consensus," Reding said.

The commission's warning came after EU nations agreed on Tuesday to cooperate more closely in the hunt for lost children but could not endorse a Europe-wide alert system sought by the parents of missing British toddler Madeleine McCann.

Germany argues that alerting all 27 nations as soon as a child disappears and launching a massive media campaign would be pointless as most are found in the area where they went missing quite quickly.


link

viv said...

Hiya Atardi

It seems the 3 As clearly got it wrong! What the EU want to avoid is a massive media circus for every missing child throughout Europe, most of whom are missing because of their own parents. The thought of multiple McCannsters operating across Europe and vying to be the biggest news flooder/make the most money out of their own child is not an attractive prospect!

viv said...

Zodiac/Claudia

I think your posts illustrate so well just how utterly farcical so many of these sightings have been and you are right to especially pick on the one in the UK where two Portuguese people were viewing second hand garden furniture in England, with Madeleine! Either this man has dementia or Gerry paid him a lot of money but his credibility with the locals must be shot!

Viv x

atardi said...

Wizard,

Wnated to say: "You mean this article?".

Wizard said...

Hi Atadi,
I'm getting a bit confused with this. I copy below what is being reported on 3A.

McCanns welcome EU alert backing


Kate and Gerry McCann have welcomed European Parliament backing for an EU-wide missing child alert system to help prevent child abductions across borders.

The parents of Madeleine McCann described as "wonderful news" the fact that a declaration supporting the couple's plea for action has now attracted sufficient MEPs' signatures to become a formal resolution.

It now has backing from at least 393 MEPs - achieving the minimum required support of half the 785 European Parliament members before a resolution is considered for legislation. And although the resolution has no legal force it now puts serious political and moral pressure on the European Commission and EU governments to adopt legally-binding measures to increase the chances of finding missing children.

A joint statement issued by the McCanns said: "This is wonderful news and we would like to thank every single MEP who has signed the declaration. By supporting such a European wide structure (a network of national child alert systems), each and every one is helping to make Europe a safer place for children.

"Hopefully this will mean that far fewer families have to suffer the sort of pain we are continuing to go through. We now urge the Commission to act swiftly in taking this forward in practical terms"

The McCanns visited MEPs in Brussels in April as part of their campaign to mobilise action following the disappearance of Madeleine during a family holiday in Portugal more than a year ago.

By then they had already visited Washington to see how a US "Amber Alert" early warning raised the alarm across state lines and lead to the safe return of hundreds of children. They asked for a similar network to be extended across the 27 EU countries.

Conservative MEP and European Parliament Vice-President Edward McMillan-Scott, who helped organise the McCanns' visit to Brussels and another to Strasbourg last month to keep up support, formally presented the resolution to EU Justice Commissioner Jacques Barrot.

He said: "I am very pleased that a majority of MEPs have backed this important initiative, started by Kate and Gerry McCann out of their personal tragedy. Now it has real impetus across the EU. Four hundred children have been saved in the USA in five years by this system."

Two years ago - before Madeleine disappeared - a similar initiative in the European Parliament failed to attract sufficient support to be taken up by ministers. But the publicity surrounding the case means the current French EU presidency is now likely to give the issue a big push in the next few months.



http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM ... HE1MO4Z27Q

atardi said...

Viv,

Thought I didn't read the article correct.

Wizard,

Maybe it's another way to say we didn't have all te support we needed.

viv said...

Hiya Wizard


This appears to be Kate and Gerry's press statement where they interpret rejection of a Europe wide Amber Alert system as "wonderful news". I would add I just tried to go to it and it says no longer available. I think it is best to stick to more accurate reports i.e. the McCanns did not get the majority vote they needed, rather than the version prepared by Clarence:-)))

Wizard said...

Atardi, I think you are right this is a similar ploy to the recent court case where Clarence announced the 81 pieces of information released by the Leicestershire police was something of a success for the McCanns. In fact all they got was what their solicitors already should have kept a copy of.

In this instances they didn't get al the support they needed and the rest in pro McCann spin to give the elusion of another success.

Wizard said...

Hi Viv, my last post seemed to have crossed with yours.

I agree with you on this but must admit I was taken in by the spin for a few minutes as I was not following the news yesterday on this.

docmac said...

Read the second paragraph of these guidelines.

An Amber alert would never have been issued for Madeleine. That's why I never could understand Gerry's fascination with it. IMO it's part of their carefully planned diversion tactics.

viv said...

9.7.08
EU ministers reject “Madeleine Alert”
The set up of an European Amber Alert System was rejected, yesterday, by EU Justice Minister, during an informal meeting, in Cannes, France. "We shouldn't send out a European alert when a child has been gone for just a few hours," German Justice Minister told the Media. "The great majority of children return home after two or three days." However, the EU Justice Ministers agreed on the necessity of a closer cooperation between police forces and alert systems already used in EU countries.

For the MailOnline, “Brussels throws out McCann's appeal for European missing child alert system,” in this meeting. The announcement “was welcomed” by Kate and Gerry, who have been campaigning for an EU alert system to be adopted by all 27 countries: "This announcement is very encouraging as it underlines the fact that there is a Europe-wide desire for things to improve,” Mr. Clarence Mitchell, the family spokesman, told the MailOnline.

French Justice Minister Rachida Dati “urged her counterparts to adopt the system Paris uses, which she said has worked six times in six tries. When it comes to protecting children in Europe no resource should be spared," she said. "We absolutely must bring together everything that we have."

A "written declaration" to the European Parliament, signed by a group of EU Mps and backed by the McCann managed to collect, until today - the last day - 351 signatures, but it needed 393 in order sent it to the European Parliament to be voted, not to be automatically adopted, as the MailOnline wrote

viv said...

Hiya Wizard

We should never forget that Clarence is an ex government spin doctor and in their own words that job entails "burying bad news". Yesterday it was announced the McCanns lost, today he announces they did not! I know which version I believe, as you say he even tried to suggest getting the 81 pieces of information they originally gave to the police and not being allowed to see the other 11,000 was a victory. It does not get much more perverse than that. It would not be Clarence's job to admit that was a crushing defeat signifying in the clearest terms the Chief Constable of Leicester Police was opposing a criminal's right to interfere in a police investigation. In short a criminal has no such right.

Wizard said...

Totally agree with you Viv.

viv said...

Hiya Wizard

Thanks. The McCanns have a team of expensive lawyers and other reputation managers working on their behalf to continue to convince the public everything they say and do is right. This site will continue to undermine their sickening spin and thanks for flagging up some of it!


Viv x

atardi said...

Wizard,

They got some police files but wanted all of them.

They got some support for the Amber Alert System but needed more.

What Clarence is trying to say is that the McCanns need the public to support them otherwise.......

J J said...

If Gordon Brown is really talking to the McCanns about Madeleine's disappearance, I have to ask WHY?

He is not their MP.

He is not a policeman, involved with missing persons.

He is supposed to be running the country.

If he really is talking to the McCanns, why are they getting help that other voters are not?

You know the people I mean.
The ones who missed out on the 10% tax cut.
The ones who are paying more for their fuel.
The ones who will lose out when the new car tax comes in.
The ones whose houses have already dropped in value.
Not to mention those who have suffered from violence on our streets.

Why do the McCanns get more help than all these people?

Any ideas?

Stonemaid said...

Hi Viv - all

I logged onto the DE before coming onto this blog and was rather alarmed at the tone of the article. It makes out that the McCanns are victors. I just hope it is wrong:


MCCANNS WELCOME EU ALERT BACKING
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Kate and Gerry McCann welcomed EU backing for missing child alert system

Thursday July 10,2008

Kate and Gerry McCann have welcomed European Parliament backing for an EU-wide missing child alert system to help prevent child abductions across borders.

The parents of Madeleine McCann described as "wonderful news" the fact that a declaration supporting the couple's plea for action has now attracted sufficient MEPs' signatures to become a formal resolution.

It now has backing from at least 393 MEPs - achieving the minimum required support of half the 785 European Parliament members before a resolution is considered for legislation. And although the resolution has no legal force it now puts serious political and moral pressure on the European Commission and EU governments to adopt legally-binding measures to increase the chances of finding missing children.

A joint statement issued by the McCanns said: "This is wonderful news and we would like to thank every single MEP who has signed the declaration. By supporting such a European wide structure (a network of national child alert systems), each and every one is helping to make Europe a safer place for children.

"Hopefully this will mean that far fewer families have to suffer the sort of pain we are continuing to go through. We now urge the Commission to act swiftly in taking this forward in practical terms"

docmac said...

Hi Stonemaid

Just popped in for a moment. The MEPs are simply endorsing and reaffirming a decision taken long before the McCanns even thought of going to Portugal. They have NOT recommended an AMBER Alert type system for Europe. The arrogant McCanns' involvement is non-existent. It's bandwagon stuff.

jj

In my opinion GB could not run a tea party. Just don't tell Viv ;-)
Of course we know he had contact with them in the early days but he got out of it faster than you can say "The McCanns are using 3 bedrooms again."

Di said...

Hi Viv and all

Not here for long and have had no time to look back, have I missed anything really vital.

Stonemaid,

Clarence will milk this news for all it is worth.

Viv,

We had a total of 9 workmen in today, I have to say all extremely nice guys. When the news came on the radio about the missing alert system it was so interesting to hear them all talking about the case. I have to say they all think the parents are very sus.
I did not keep them talking for too long as I just want the job finished. Talk about dust and mess, my poor dog and cat do not know what to do with themselves. I am sure it will all be worth it in the end.

Di said...

Hi Doc

Hope you are well!

I am really missing reading and posting. All I have had to go on are the news items. It's just as well I know they are spin!

docmac said...

Well thanks Di, as I hope you are. 9 'nice' workmen in and you moan about the dust? ;-)

I've got to be off, BBFN.

Di said...

Doc :o))))))))

Di said...

Off now to chill..

Enjoy your evening.

docmac said...

Mum21

"Everyone knows the McCann's instigated putting in place an Amber Alert type system in Europe."

Rubbish. The 116 numbers were mooted in 2005 and the recommendations were ratified in 2006. Gerry runs around shouting about AMBER Alert because he hopes it will look good in front on a judge. He had nothing to do with it. He attempted to hijack the process and failed miserably.

atardi said...

Docmac,

I read your post at 19.54.

You mean the twins share a bedroom ?

docmac said...

Atardi

Yes

atardi said...

Docmac,

Wow.
You know I always ask silly questions
but does this means that one of the parents have a snoring problem?



Have you received the 2 articles? I have sent them to Viv also. But in Dutch.

docmac said...

Well I don't know about any snoring problems ;-)

Yes I did get them, thank you. I have alluded to something similar in my posts above.

docmac said...

Calcite51

Yes, we know. One 'l' as in Leonardo's ex-squeeze. 2 'r's in the surname. And then BA,MSW,RSW. We're not that dumb you know!

Cláudia said...

Hey, guys!
Has Madeleine been found by the very competent private detectives hired by the celebrities?

What a wonderful summer afternoon here. Lovely day and a dinner facing the ocean. If you think about it, not much is needed to be happy. The people you love close by and well, health and a bit of money, of course. :-)

Cláudia said...

Doc, I just arrived and you already made me ROTFLMAO!!!!

docmac said...

Oh, so you saw Calcite's message to you then :-)

Old Mum's pretty pi**ed off with me over at the dark side. I always thought she lived by the sea, not in a wood.

Cláudia said...

Doc, actually someone sent it to me by e-mail. Looked for it but couldn't find it, though. Too many Sian copy pastes. But she didn't have to tell us. We know how to spell.

MumFromHell could use a bit of relaxing... Poor thing, you keep windind her up.

docmac said...

Claudia

You have mail.

docmac said...

BTW Sian now has her own forum:

MADELEINE THE ICON OF MISSING CHILDREEN. Yes, that is 'REEN'.

Cláudia said...

Doc, thanks.

I had read it, I just couldn't be bored to find it in the sewer. But she didn't have to tell us. People know.

Reading Sian is a great way to laugh till your tummy hurts. Copy pastes don't count, of course. But her posts are hilarious, She still doesn't get 'McCann' right. But it's only been 14 months, of course. When I'm feeling depressed and need a good laugh I will visit it.

docmac said...

Sorry in advance, Viv

Anonymous said...

ST,

do you know they have a rota on viles to do the shifts watching Rosie's forum?
Usually 4 to 6 at a time, I'm not on tonight just Claudia, doc and vile does the odd stint.
I am gradually coming away from there, it is not healthy even for anti's.

10 July 2008 22:05



ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! How desperate is this lot?

Now they also have a another poster pretending to be Leigh too, just without the Latin teacher language. Oh dear!

Cláudia said...

Doc, lololololololol

I have to confess. Once in a while I go there. But only because I want to improve my English. Anytime I have a question regarding the English Language, I go to Sian. It's better than Shakespeare. You learn so much. I admire her metaphors. Her speech, grammar and syntax are inspiring. Sometimes, I catch myself weeping while I read her.

southerncross said...

Evening everyone

Claudia, I am so glad your friend's little baby is okay!
Viv, thanks for the articles! I have not much time to contribute at the moment, but will email you soon.
Doc, jy irriteer die ander klomp aan die ander kant vreeslik! Keep up the good work :)

docmac said...

SC jy nog daar? Laat weet, ek het 'n 'tuis' grappie vir jou!!

southerncross said...

Eks hier dm,laat waai:)

docmac said...

OK lekker! Hier kom hy:

1. The fruit seller walks up to the car and says:
"Peske, Peske. Lekke peskes. Net vyf rand virrie laanie."
The guy in the car says: "Is hulle soet?"
The fruit seller sa ys: "Dja menee, kyk hoe stil sit hulle!!"


2. Three guys selling snoek on the corner shouts:
"Hiers djou snoek"
The guy in the car says:
"Wat vra julle vir daai snoek?"
One guy replies: "Ons vra hulle niks, wil djy hulle iets vra?"



3: Gatiep & Maraai steel 'n snoek, en sien toe 'n Polisie man
Gatiep se": Sit die snoek onder djou rok!
Maraai se " Dit gaan stink Gatiep!"
Gatiep se vir Maraai ," Drukkie snoek se nies toe!"




4: Gatiep en Maraai sit innie bus in Cape Town toe die lady op klim "with a face made up to kill" ekse: bloed roei lips, "seven layers of base" en silke "massive eyelashes" dat sy nie ees haar oe kan oep maakie.
Daars nie oep seats, so sy skeem sy hang maar aan die leather strap.
"Hei Gammat," se Gatiep, "kom offer djy nie die lady 'n seat?"
"Nei," skeem Gammat, "a painting moet mos hang."



5: Every morning when the English teacher came to the Afrikaans students to Give them an English lecture she greeted them as follows; "Good morning class!" and every time only one boy would get up out of the whole class to greet the teacher in return. This happened time and again until she decided to call him up to her desk and ask him loud enough for everyone to hear:
"Why is it that every time I greet the whole class, only you stand up to
greet me?"
He replied to the teacher in English : "It are 'cause I are the only person
here what's name are Klaas!"

Cláudia said...

Southerncross, thank you. Sara has got a cold but she's fine. The doctor said that Sandra shouldn't worry. But of course she does. Yesterday Sara sneezed and suddenly you had 6 adults discussing the relevance of the sneeze. Two of those adults have children and grandchildren. :-)

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

Just popping on and off.

PMSL...PMSL...PMSL!

'I catch myself weeping while I read her.'

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, I do! ;-)

southerncross said...

Oh docmac, that certainly brightened up my day- thank you for making me lol!!!! But I blame you for making me even more homesick now! When I get your addy, I'll email you some more Gatiep and Meraai gems :)20 weeks and I'll be back in my beloved SA. Ek mis my land en my mense.So eenvoudig soos dit.

Claudia, I remember when I had my firstborn(he is now 23 years old) and I panicked about every little cough or sneeze he had.That is just so normal. But I never left him alone , im a strange room in a strange country, to wine and dine with friends ;).

Cláudia said...

pj drop the files
by Sian Yesterday at 9:11 pm

they will have no option,no evidance..................

---------------------------------------------

why wouldnt they
by Sian Yesterday at 9:15 pm

why wouldnt they stand by the maccanns,the maccanns have done nothing wrong

kind reguards

sian
-----------------------------------------------

i really doubt if this will happen
by Sian Yesterday at 9:17 pm

i dont think the maccanns will be charged with anything they have to prove the childreen were neglected and clearly they were not
------------------------------------------------

hi
by Sian Yesterday at 9:57 pm

it was always the case that high court would give in the ruleing,

Cláudia said...

"But I never left him alone , im a strange room in a strange country, to wine and dine with friends ;)."

You haven't? What kind of parent are you? ;-)

docmac said...

Well SC you would not be missing CT that's for sure. Winter has just begun in earnest here. Down to 9C :-))) On the bright side, we are taking the little one to the Matroosberg (Ceres) for his first snow experience in the morning :-)

docmac said...

Claudia

That Sian as bin a relly bizzy be 4 a wile no.

bath theory said...

MADELEINE - There are those in this life who do not hide behind words and hide behind money. They are open, full of integrity and pure in heart. I promise you there are many like that who need no mask to embrace and appreciate the gift of life.

I have a dream one day that all parents black or white, rich or poor will one day wake up and understand that a child is for life and that all parents will be open to allow and embrace a sense of freedom and joy within the purity of a 3yr old's soul. I have a dream that controlling parents will one day be no more...

For the sake of all those little children who have parents who leave them alone in order to massage their own needs rather than nurture the soul of their own flesh and blood, I have a dream.

WE SHALL OVERCOME

docmac said...

Oi Viv!

Wake up, me shift's over! I wanna go get me a kebab. Oh hang on, Beja doesn't do kebabs :-(

bath theory said...

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE WILL COME

:)

Stonemaid said...

Thanks for your explanation Doc!

I still don't see why the DE would go along with CM spin.....surely they must be just waiting for their chance to tell it as it is....they more than other newspapers surely?

The trouble with reports like this is that it gives the McCs more grease to their elbow, and I just wish the DE would say nothing rather than play to CMs tune...!!

ICantThinkOfAName said...
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southerncross said...

I know Claudia, judging by the guidelines nowadays what and what doesn't make you a responsible parent, I have wasted most of my life caring for my kids and not spending more "me" time. And "us" time and "friends-so -into -each-other_ time".

Docmac, the Western Cape has had a terrible winter, judging by news reports. Still I prefer the 3 months winter there, instead of the miserable "summer" we have over here

docmac said...

Hi BT

Well said. BTW you have been getting a bit of stick over on the other side. Well done, sir!

bath theory said...

What for now?

docmac said...

Nah, SC.

Quite a lot of light rain over the past month or so, but only this week has it started to 'stort' down. Another month and it will almost be spring :-)

docmac said...

BT

Well you, like me, should not be allowed anywhere near children apparently.

bath theory said...

They think they are so well connect but the legal establishment works to a different beat. I predict confidently that no matter what they try their scopperloiting tricks will be in vain.

docmac said...

Stonemaid

You can be sure the DE will have the last laugh, don't you worry!

southerncross said...

Docmac,

Just have a nice braai on my behalf please :)En ruik die lemoenbloeisels vir my part.

Cláudia said...

Doc, ies, Sian as workeed a lot laitely. Thats whi their are so maney speling meestakes. She's slip depryved. That or shes brein ded.

Southerncross, you are an old fashioned parent. Caring for your kids? This is the 21st century! ;-)

Viv, WAKE UP, for crying out loud! I can't work a double shift today. Slavery is over, you know? Oh, and I still haven't received last week's wages... :-)))))

docmac said...

SC

Sal so maak :-)

southerncross said...

Lol Claudia, have a lovely evening and weekend.Take care and goeienag doc

docmac said...

Claudia

You get wages? :-(((

bath theory said...

Not allowed near children because I dare to speak out against the status quo. I am proud of my stance in life over this issue. All I ask is that these two are led into a courtroom and are asked direct probing questions and are made to think and answer about events that happened on that holiday.

I can handle being seen as militant when it is because you don't agree with a group's point of view. In this case the sadest bit is about Madeleine and after that is the way these two have used professional spin media merchants to hide behind.

ONE DAY THEIR OWN CHILDREN WILL GROW UP and are they likely to be less curious than Madeleine seems to be. remember this 3 yr old had a greater moral compass than these two had in their late thirties.

Bring it on. As I mentioned I am connected to as I am sure others on here are. First and foremost connected to my own brain !!

docmac said...

Nag SC. Slaap lekka.

bath theory said...

The status quo over here Docmac is heavily against them but they are in denial about this to all. Even when papers print surveys that show 95 per cent think they were negligent. Their stance is to try and control the language of a society ie what people believe the status quo to be - Classic Orwell isn't it.

POWER to those like us who create the freedoms people like they try to use for their own advantage.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE

Cláudia said...

Southerncross, thank you. You too.

Doc, sometimes Viv sends me some bread and a bit of orange juice. You know, those fancy things we, in the third world, don't get much. And I thank her so, so much.

Bath Theory, there is no morality whatsoever in people who refuse to accept that leaving three toddlers alone to wine, dine and have fun is neglect and who also defend CONVICTED child murderers.

docmac said...

BT

I would LOVE to be a fly on yhe wall when the twins start asking difficult questions. However, I fear they are going to discover the truth elsewhere...

bath theory said...

Orwell in 1984 says it all

Cláudia said...

Doc, do you think we should start complaining about our wages just like, hmmmm what was her name?

bath theory said...

Indeed that is the point. We factor in morality and ethics everyday in our souls , this sort don't. They do it when there is a gain or advantage to be played.

That is why good always triumphs eventually because a game has an ending.

bath theory said...

PS Do you think they realsie that Oprah was abused as a child and is always heavily on the side of child welfare?

:)

Cláudia said...

Bath Theory, Oprah would shread them to bits. Once she was finished with them, they would need about a month to recover from the shock. And apparently she doesn't pay for interviews which is a great no no.

bath theory said...

:)

docmac said...

I don't think they will go on Oprah without an 'agreement' in place. It's the audience they'll have to wary of.

Claudia, don't mess with me ;-)

bath theory said...

Right I'm off now to get some shut eye. One last thought. These people know I know senior Judges and yet they continue to put me down. Interesting isn't it.

And finally I remind us all of a lady called Veronica Guerin

...The age of the newspaper reporter as crusading hero is given an excellent treatment in this biographical drama. Veronica Guerin (powerfully portrayed by Cate Blanchett) was assassinated after writing a series of revelatory articles exposing the drug overlords who battled for control of Dublin in the mid-1990s. Like Erin Brockovich, Guerin pursued a moral goal. Unlike Brockovich, she paid the ultimate price for championing the truth

Such a shame that no one like her has emerged so far to expose in a dignified and systematic way the shenanigans of the charade. The space is there for a journalist to step forward isn't it.

Joe said...

Come on now folks you do not seriously think the inarticulate McCanns will go on Oprah without an agreed script cobbled together by the pink clown?

Cláudia said...

Joe, no. They could never risk that.

Bath Theory, sleep well.

Doc, I love to mess with you. :-) Since I turned 29 my memory is a mess. What was her name again? ;-)

docmac said...

Gerry has a new post on his blog"

Day 434: 10/07/2008 Day:
We have recently managed to have a break (ahem) visiting family. Sean and Amelie have had a brilliant time and it has been great for me to spend so much time with them. Although this has been a relaxing break, it has been incredibly difficult for Kate and me to have been on holiday without Madeleine- it is all too apparent what is missing. WHAT????????

We were very pleased to learn today that the written declaration calling for the introduction of an EU wide Amber alert (ahem) system has been successful. More than half of the 786 Members of the European Parliament (MEP’s) were required to sign the declaration for it to be adopted as a full resolution of the European Parliament and as of today 417 had signed. This is a small step in the right direction and a lot of work will be needed to get National Amber alert systems implemented. The idea already has the support of the European Commission and this additional political impetus should speed up the implementation process.

We would like to thank Edward McMillan-Scott and the other 4 sponsors of the declaration, all those MEP’s who signed the declaration and all the members of the public who lobbied their MEP’s.

There has been a lot of speculation in the press over the last 10 days that the investigation in to Madeleine’s disappearance has closed. We have not heard anything officially other than we know the files are with the prosecutor and the period of secrecy has been extended to 14th August. Our independent investigation continues and we urge people going on holiday to remain vigilant and consider taking one of our posters with them- downloadable from the how to help section of the website.

bath theory said...

Oprah will take them on just as she did with the beef thing. She wants them on to take them down in my opinion. So Yes Joe I think she wants to ask direct questions.

Joe said...

any question re Madeline we may get ear twitching and nose scratching galore and no eye contact.

bath theory said...

Thanks Claudia, I shall sleep well tonight. My mop likes to dream too!! Cheers goodnight all.

docmac said...

Night BT, I am soon to do the same.

Joe said...

Ironic is'nt it they may answer Oprah's questions (for money), that's where the PJ went wrong they should have offered them big money to answer questions re their missing daughter. Its just disgusting that they are so choosy IMO.

Cláudia said...

Doc, so I assume this time two kids went and two kids returned, right? Phew!

Joe said...

Claudia,

You mean 4 kids the twins probably look after themselves and the Mom and dad as well, IMO.

Cláudia said...

Joe, yeah, probably.

docmac said...

Well I think only one of them was 'away' ;-)

Goodnight all.

docmac said...

And by the way, we are 'reliably' informed that we have lost a member today. Wow, I wonder if Viv knows about it :-)))

Nite.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I'm also off.
Dorme bem!

Querida Viv, have a great shift. And don't forget the report! :-)
Beijinhos!

atardi said...

Docmac,

I'm reading back. Had a phone call.

Who's the member we have lost?

viv said...

oh bugger, did I oversleep again.


Well before I dozed off, I was on the European Parliament webpage and found this soundbite from dear Kate telling us how vulnerable children are, how they need to be protected and represented. Does she mean everyone else's children but not her own?

SOUNDBITE by Kate McCANN, in English. Children are precious members of the European Union, they are vulnerable and they need us to represent them and protect them and to ensure that Europe is a safe place fro them to be. Finally, we implored you to support this declaration. Please do not wait for another child and family to suffers what we have before agreeing the support to the implementation of an alert system in Europe.

viv said...

Who says we have lost a member, that is news to me:-)))

Claudia and Doc, I am sending you some more frozen concentrated orange juice:-))) Consider it a little bonus, Huns x

Zodiac said...

Bath Theory 22.58pm,

Wow! Well said. Your words remind me of one of the greatest speeches of mankind. A little snippet from it:

'No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."¹
Martin Luther King

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm


JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE AND ALL NEGLECTED CHILDREN, TO IGNORE CHILD NEGLECT IS TO IGNORE CHILDREN.

Niki said...

11 Julho, 2008

Maddie case will be decided until the end of July - Diário de Notícias


Investigation. Archiving, accusation or new diligences are the options

At a time when the speculation about the foreseen dates for a decision about the Maddie case increases, the office of Pinto Monteiro, the Republic’s Attorney General, guaranteed to DN that the deadline that was imposed on the Public Ministry’s prosecutors terminates at the end of this month.

During this week, some newspapers pointed at next week and at the 2nd of August for the Public Ministry to reach a decision about the process.

This decision may be the archiving of the process, the deduction of an accusation or the scheduling of new diligences, after the PJ delivered its final report about the investigation to the Public Ministry.

“There was no set deadline given” in that sense by Pinto Monteiro, Pinto Monteiro’s office told DN. What was requested from the magistrates is that within a reasonable time frame, and before the end of the month, they concluded whether or not there is a need to carry out further diligences or if the process is ready for the final dispatch”.

On the other hand, while many reinforce the idea that Gerry and Kate McCann, arguidos due to a suspicion of involvement in their daughter’s disappearance, may be accused of the practice of the crime of exposure and abandonment of a minor, which is punished with a prison sentence of up to five years, the lawyer João Grade dos Santos, while having no knowledge of the process, is peremptory when he states to DN that “the crime of abandonment demands intent”.

And “as long as intent is not proved, crime cannot be considered”, the lawyer stressed, reminding that “it is only a crime when the person who abandons knows that under those circumstances the minor will be at risk”.

And he exemplifies: “A father leaves a son at home and he knows that anything may happen. But if that never occurs to him, then it’s not a crime anymore”, he explains. “If someone grabs a child and takes her into the mountains and leaves her there overnight, then it is a crime, because the person knows that the child is at risk”.

http://dn.sapo.pt/2008/07/11/sociedade/caso_maddie_tera_decisao_ao_final_ju.html

by Astro on Joana Morais

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Niki

Is João Grade dos Santos working for the McCanns?

Niki said...

ICTOAN:

João Grade dos Santos - Cipriano lawyer arrested

A LAWYER who is defending Leonor Cipriano in the alleged case of torture during police interrogation was arrested for the possession of drugs at the Odemira women’s prison in the Alentejo last week.

João Grade dos Santos was arrested on Thursday (April 17) carrying 45 doses of amphetamines and a quarter of a tablet of ecstasy while visiting the prison with a number of bags.

“The lawyer was interrogated by the police and was set free the same day, to await a court date,” said the GNR spokesman.

João Grade dos Santos told Lusa news agency that he had been given the bags so that he could take them to one of the prisoners, whose house had already been searched by the Polícia Judiciária.

“I did not know what was in the bags, I am shocked at the situation,” he said. “I hope that this case can be clarified as soon as possible, for the sake of my good name and reputation.”

---
I think it's the same man?!
Niki

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Than Niki

He sounds a reliable source of information. (Irony).

Cláudia said...

Niki, yes, it is the same man (???). He is an expert in defending people who kill their daughters.

Zodiac said...

“it is only a crime when the person who abandons knows that under those circumstances the minor will be at risk”.

Two Doctors do not know that leaving their 3 little children aged 3 and under alone in a holiday flat whilst they wine and dine in a Tapas Bar with friends 100mts away carries any child safety risks. Choking, climbing to reach for something, climbing out of a cot, climbing over the stairgate, putting something in a electric socket, running a bath and playing mummy because a little brother or sister has been sick all over themselves or their nappy has leaked all over them (how tragic and pitiful would that be) wandering out of unlocked flat a few I can think of in a few seconds. There are so many risks. What about the emotional and psychological damage? How much lower can they go,imo?

Cláudia said...

Viv, I still don't have the report on my desk. And no concentrated orange juice either. if this goes on, I'll go on strike! :-)

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, the man is talking crap. Last week a single Portuguese mother was detained and brought to court because her 8 year old son woke up at night and a neighbours saw him cry on the balcony and called the authorities. The mother works shifts and was working at the time. She is now back home but awaiting trial. Her son did not vanish, wasn't hurt in any way, is 8 years old and hois mother wasn't on the piss. She was working. Even so, she was arrested and presented in a court of law. And very well so, in my opinion. Her son is not responsible for the circumstances and the social services confirmed the mother never asked for any help with the situation.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Well none of the 4 of us the missing member referred to by doc mac last night.

Will the missing member please identify yourself!!!

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, PMSL!

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

Probably more Pink fuelled spin to justify child neglect and those who practise it.

Viv,

You really could save money on postage by just sending Claudia powdered OJ, I am sure she will appreciate it just as much.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, certainly.
That idea of the powdered OJ is very good. Thank you, Zodiac. We, who live in the thrid world, don't have access to those luxury products! ;-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

Have you got clean water to mix the powder with??

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, water, yes. Clean water, of course not. :-)

Zodiac said...

ICOTAN,

That is what I was thinking.

Claudia,

You can boil the dirty water then let it cool. Just think instead of 1 litre of frozen concentrated OJ, Viv could be sending you enough powdered OJ to make the equivalent of 1000 litres of OJ! Yummy, yummy! Remember to rub salt and lime juice round the rim of the glass (you do have glasses) to stop any nasty critters crawling in.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, but how do I boil it? I really could use two sticks. :-)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

It is better to freeze the glass before rubbing it in the salt.

I think you might find a disused freezer on a rubbish tip somewhere and salt might be available from the Russian lady who hangs around PDL wearing a trench coat.

Sorry can't help with the limes.

Cláudia said...

This is for one of the many cowardly anonymouses who post on the sewer and who have literacy problems: João Grade was Leonor Cipriano's lawyer. Leonor Cipriano was convicted by THREE different COURTS OF LAW for the murder of her daughter. It's exactly because I believe in the due process of the law that I can say Leonor Cipriano is a child murderer and that João Grade has got experience in defending child killers. In fact, he is a very good lawyer. He even brings luggage to their clients who are in jail. Luggage containing drugs.

P.S: The four PJs will be in front of a judge, inside of a courtroom. The only place where arguidos can, once and for all, clear their names. Or not. Some, of course, would only be caught inside a court of law if they were dragged. God knows why.

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, that is a wonderful idea. I'm glad there are foreign people in my country who make our third world lives so much better, with their wonderful, modern things. Praise the Lord.

viv said...

Hiya all

Well that is nice of João Grade to step in and give his expert opinion to the press on the situation the McCanns find themselves in. I agree with Claudia he, unlike any other lawyers, would be an expert to offer such an opinion because he is not only an expert in defending a child murderer (which is clearly appropriate here) but is also such a good lawyer he gets into character to better understand his clients, hence he is also an expert drug dealer who thinks of their every need by transporting it to them in nice little packets ready for their delight whilst in jail.

I am sure that he and his client just could not think of a scheme whereby it maybe worthwhile having some nasty facial bruises to avoid a conviction for murder. Their obviously high degrees of integrity would tell me they could do no such thing. Although of course being a lawyer he would realise that such apparent brutality could vitiate a confession, but what of the other evidence in this case? I did not hear about the police also battering the brother or the neighbours, or somehow finding blood from a corpse that could not be found and putting it in the freezer.

ICTOAN

May well find an discarded old freezer on a rubbish tip, lol, I personally never heard of anyone going on a lovely holiday abroad and finding the need to locate and regularly use the local rubbish dump. I wonder if Gerry claimed on his holiday insurance for all the items he lost whilst in PDL!

I read an article recently about the plane hold being stuffed with parents' buggies for their children, of course it could be very convenient to not even take one or if you do to lose it, on the tip! Unless of course you were a normal parent who thought hang on a minute I have a couple of two year olds who get tired and a little one nearly four who also may sometimes want to jump in and have a rest! No, the McCanns would not think that way, they had the creche all day and then their beds all night, so what need of a buggy?

I read last night DOCMAC put a comment on from Gerry's latest blog about how lovely it was, apparently, to be spending so much time with his twins, given they were on holiday. He does go for irony and does he now need to actually go on holiday to spend time with his children. He only seems to work part-time!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Viv

I've sent you an e-mail.

viv said...

Well Claudia, you know these people are so stupid, did it not occur his child murdering client has in fact been proven guilty!

Oh but of course not in their "court of law"!!

Words fail!


Anonymous said...
Cláudia said...
Niki, yes, it is the same man (???). He is an expert in defending people who kill their daughters.

Friday, 11 July 2008 12:30:00 o'clock BST
*****
Now, doesn't this sound like Clawsie doesn't believe in the saying 'Innocent until proven guilty'.

viv said...

Hiya ICTOAN

Thanks for letting me know because I do not always get around to checking this email account as often as I should!

Will go and have a look and respond.

Viv x

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Here was someone who could really have done with just a fraction of the support a certain pair attract.


Struggling mum threw herself out of window
By Jonathan Stayton


A mother of four flung herself to her death because she could not cope with caring for her disabled son.

Jean Britton, of Cavendish Place, Eastbourne, jumped from her daughter's fourth floor window onto the concrete below.

An inquest at Hastings was told Mrs Britton, who suffered from mental health problems, had been living in a poorly maintained flat and was suffering from depression because she was struggling to support her 13-year-old son.

Mrs Britton had tried to kill herself in the past and in the two weeks before her death had left at least five entries in her diary stating that she wanted to die.

On February 14 this year the 43-year-old finally carried out her threat, hurling herself to her death from daughter Kay Bagshaw's fourth floor flat window.

Ms Bagshaw, 19, was in the bathroom at the time.

David Gilbert, a mechanic who worked opposite the block of flats, saw Mrs Britton fall.

He said: "I was standing outside having a cigarette and turned around to see a person falling in a star shape to the ground.

"I didn't see her hit the floor but looked up and saw an open window. A minute or two later someone came to the window."

The inquest was told Mrs Britton had appeared "generally optimistic" the last time her psychiatrist had seen her, despite low self esteem and confidence and fleeting thoughts of suicide.

Friend Deborah Barnett said she would try to laugh off Mrs Britton's suicide threats but that on the day she last saw her, about 10 days before her death, she seemed particularly glum.

Then on February 12 Mrs Britton send her a text message saying: 'I'm going to buy some alcohol and some drugs and I'm going to do it this time'.

Ms Barnett said: "I phoned her back but there was no answer. Then I called again on Valentine's Day and all I could hear was her son screaming. Her ex husband come on the phone and said she had passed away."

Adam Berry, the partner of Kay Bagshaw, was in the flat when she jumped.

He said: "Kay and I went to run a bath and went back to the living room and found Jean missing. The window, which had been closed, was open and she was on the floor outside. We'd been out of the room for about five minutes."

East Sussex coroner Alan Craze recorded a verdict of suicide.

He said: "It's quite clear that her mental health condition was deteriorating very considerably.

"In the week before her death she had almost got to the stage of killing herself.

"In many ways it was an announced suicide. I am quite sure she simply waited for a moment until she was alone and then took the opportunity."



It just makes me feel sick.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Sorry forgot the source:

http://www.theargus.co.uk/display.
var.2391329.0.struggling_mum_threw_
herself_out_of_window.php

ICantThinkOfAName said...

The Mail is running a story:

Agony for McCanns as they reveal details of their first holiday since Madeleine vanished

By Vanessa Allen


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/
article-1034325/Agony-McCanns-
reveal-details-holiday-Madeleine
-vanished.html

So far only one Comment:

To Gerry and Kate. If it was so agonising to go on holiday then don't do it. Your little kids would not have minded if there was no holiday this year. If you had to go on holiday for your own enjoyment then don't bother telling the rest of the world how you felt. It is Maddie and her torment that we are interested in, not your jaunts and holidays. By the way when are you planning to take part in a reconstruction or answer the 40 questions asked by the PJ?
- Matt67, Bath, 11/7/2008 13:04

atardi said...

Hi ICTOAN,

They have tried many things this week

1. Police files
2. Ambert Alert System
3. Oprah
4. Now their holiday

What will be next?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Atardi

Just remember here in the UK from the point of view of the newspapers
we a about to enter what is known as the "silly season" when they have difficulty filling their pages with hard news.

I can guess how some of these pages will be filled.

Wizard said...

Hi atardi - I couldn't resist a response to your post.


They have tried many things this week

1. Police files
2. Ambert Alert System
3. Oprah
4. Now their holiday

What will be next?
Charges for disposing of a body?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Wizard

Are you forecasting a news blackout in the UK?

atardi said...

ICTOAN,

We have the "silly season" here also.

That's why they were writing "silly" things about the McCanns.

Wizard said...

Icanthinkofaname,

lol - I guess I am.

atardi said...

Wizard,

I think there wil be some sightings before anything happens.

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys.
Have the very competent detectives hired by the McCanns found Madeleine during my absence?

J J said...

Sorry if this has been mentioned before.
Gerry's latest blog states, 'it is all too apparent what is missing'
'WHAT'
For crying out loud, she is/was your daughter, have you forgotten her already?
She is not 'what' she is 'who' and her name is/was Madeleine.
Unbelievable!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

jj

He's too choked up to be able to mention her name.

atardi said...

Niki,

In case you have time to read the blog tomorrow.
Hope every thing is ok. And your kids are enjoying their 3 months holiday. I wish we had that here.

My last "long" friday was 2 weeks ago. Today was the first day since tuesday without rain. (Untill now)

----------------------

Thanks for the article at 11.12. It's now running here without statements from the lawyer João Grade dos Santos.

I was so upset about :

And “as long as intent is not proved, crime cannot be considered”, the lawyer stressed, reminding that “it is only a crime when the person who abandons knows that under those circumstances the minor will be at risk”.

Disgusting. But we know who he is by now.

Hope to "see" you again cyberfriend.

Cláudia said...

JJ

If Madeleine (and Sean and Amelie) were more than a what to them, they would have never left them alone to dine, wine and laugh.

atardi said...

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys.
Have the very competent detectives hired by the McCanns found Madeleine during my absence?

Friday, 11 July 2008 19:23:00 o'clock BST

--------------------------

Come on Cláudia,
They were on holiday and have just realised what they were missing;)

--------------------------

But everttime I see your post about the new detectives I have to lol. Don't dare to stop asking this every day.

Cláudia said...

Atardi, I won't. Unless they send the detectives my way! lololol

atardi said...

everttime must be everytime.

------------------

You mean to bring baby Sara some presents? That would be very nice.

How is she doing?

atardi said...

JJ/ICTOAN,

I was astonished to read that word what. I know they lost a lot of things in Portugal. But why would someome compare hisdaughter with a wallet, a buggy and a tennis bag?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Atardi

To him a child is just another posession.

Cláudia said...

Atardi, baby Sara is fine, thank you. She went to the doctor today to be checked and weighed and she said Sara is doing great. :-)

marga said...

WHAT= Maddie?

Sometimes I even doubt if SHE ( not IT) has ever existed.

Just want to say hello to you all.

Have been reading but not much time to post or motivated to discuss all the NOT NEWS.

Thanks Viv for remember this article from SOL.

Have all a peaceful night with WHOM you love.

marga said...

*remembering

Cláudia said...

Hi, Marga.
If Madeleine and her twin brother and sister were more than a what to their parents, she would have never been left alone and would be home safe and sound.
Boa noite.

atardi said...

OT,

I have a lousy provider. It takes so much time before I can be connected again.

------------------------

ICTOAN,

No normal father wans to posess a child.


-----------------------

Cláudia,

Glad to "hear" that Sara is doing ok. When you have your first child you can be so worried about everything.

--------------------------

Hi Marga,

Nice to see you again.

marga said...

Boa noite Cláudia!

You're right.
How can anyone be in a foreign country and do sth like that? leaving toddlers alone.. They were selfish, stupid and neglected their children on purpose or to cover sth up IMO.

They might think blogs are interested in them? Poor souls! What is the use of telling about their holidays? No one cares about it or them. Arguidos not only for what they are suspected to have done BUT also for what they didn't do to help police. Thanks GOD we have a brain and a conscience not to be manipulated and brainwashed.

Really off.

marga said...

Atardi,

always enjoying reading you.

Hugs!

Cláudia said...

Atardi, I know. And it doesn't even have to be your child. I was raised among younger children. If you are a responsible person, there's no relaxing at all until they get to a certain age. Sara's mum just called me to say that Sara's cold is gone. She sounded very relieved. :-)

Cláudia said...

Marga, they were too selfish to take care of their children the way they should have and too selfish to admit to their tragic neglect.

Dorme bem!

docmac said...

Goedenavond, good evening, boa noite.

Just dropped by to say hi and bye. We were off playing in some snow earlier and I have little idea what, if anything, has happened today and am too tired to go and find out!

Lekker slaap, sleep well and dorme bem x.

Cláudia said...

Hi and bye, Doc.
I miss the snow so much. It brings back wonderful memories some of them from people who are no longer here with me. The last time it snowed here I was still in high school. Last century! :-)
Boa noite. Dorme bem e beijinhos!

docmac said...

Well Claudia it has snowed in Cape Town only once while I've been here, and then only a light dusting on top of the mountain. We have to travel about 2 to 2 and a half hours to get to some decent acessible snow among the cherry orchards and apple farms. Though it does snow quite a lot about 25 min away in the mountains too it's quite high up. It's there now, I can feel it. Brrr...

Dorme bem amiga.

Cláudia said...

It snowed here in 2006 but it doesn' count because it wasn't enough. In 95, I think, it snowed quite a lot. And when I was a child it snowed more often. These landscapes become even more beautiful with snow.
Dorme bem!

atardi said...

Hi Doc,

Very nice of you. Ooklekker slaap.

-----------------------------

Cláudia,


We had a lot of rain the last days. So I really want "sun" now.

-----------------------------

Marga,

Thanks. How is your holiday?

Cláudia said...

Atardi, if there is anything we get in Viseu a lot it's sun. Hot sun, for that matter. :-)

viv said...

Hiya all

Atardi sent me this helpful article which was in Dutch so there may be some slight problems in translation but it is helpful in explaining the Commission wish to push forward with the adoption of 116 Hotline numbers for missing children in all Member States, which it will be seen the UK do not have! Odd really when the truly massive number of children that go missing is of course from the UK!

Whether this is the article that Kate and Gerry seem to be focussing on to suggest Amber Alert is being put forward as a political proposal I am not sure, but this is clearly not the case!

Viv x

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European Union

Brussels, July 10, 2008

Commission saves alarm because of delays in 116 hotline number for missing children

Parents and children must travel in the EU rapid and free assistance can invoke. Only in the UK and in Belgium in 2007 were more than 7500 children reported as missing (www.missingchildreneurope.eu). The public concerns over the safety of children has increased by cases such as the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal. In 2007, the Commission has taken measures at national level by a six-digit numbers beginning with 116 in reserve for hotlines for missing children (116000) and helplines (116111) for children. A recent EU survey shows only a minority of Member States these numbers to service providers has allocated: seven for
116000 and ten for 116111 (see Annex). The Commission has today called on Member States to speed up the introduction of these numbers. The EU is under EU legislation is not obliged to allot these numbers, but they should be booked and the public and inform service providers about their availability. The survey shows that Member States have made little effort to ensure the availability of the numbers to the attention, thereby increasing its introduction has been delayed.

"A year ago the Commission for the introduction of European
116-numbers so that parents and children asked for help can invoke, "said EU Telecoms Commissioner Viviane Reding." So far only Hungary has taken all steps necessary to identify the 116-services operational. I appreciate this example but do think that in the remaining 26 Member States have to ring alarm. The rights of the child must be under by all EU member states signed the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU are protected. It is a pity that the words in many countries no action when it comes to introduce the songs that can offer valuable assistance to parents and children. The Commission has its share of the work done and hopes that it will not be necessary to start legal proceedings on a matter on which a broad consensus could be formed. "

The survey shows that today there is progress must be made to the 116000 - 116111 and services across the EU to get off the ground:

* 116000 - and 116,111 numbers are generally available in 24 countries (Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Greece, Finland, France, Hungary, Ireland, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Portugal , Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Spain, the Czech Republic and Sweden) but not in Italy, Latvia and the UK. The deadlines for reserving these numbers were respectively on August 30 2007 (116000) and February 29, 2008 (116,111).

* Most countries have made little effort to potential service providers to inform the 116000 - 116111-numbers. This has led to delays in the introduction of these numbers by potential service providers, especially non-governmental organization. In Finland, France (116000), Ireland, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal and Sweden are more efforts (press releases, e-mails/brieven to potential services, meetings).

* Potential for the hotline service providers have shown their interest to 116000 in Belgium, Denmark, Germany, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Malta, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and the UK. Potential service providers for the 116,111-helpline have materialised in Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Greece, Finland, Hungary, Ireland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, the UK and Sweden. However, only seven Member States (Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Hungary, the Netherlands, Portugal and Slovakia) that the
116000-number assigned to service providers. 116111 For these are ten Member States (Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Finland, Hungary, Portugal, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Sweden).

* So far only Hungary has indicated that both numbers are operational.

The service providers for the hotline and help with their services can begin as soon as a Member State has assigned them a number. These service providers need their services 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, nationwide free and adequately. The Commission is following the introduction in the Member States in the foot.

Background:

In July 2006 the European Commission has proposed a common phone number to reserve for the abandonment of missing children and also a helpline for children. This is a response to the adoption of the EU strategy on the Rights of the Child (IP/06/927). On February 15, 2007 and October 30, 2007, the Commission decided to 116,000 songs (IP/07/188) and 116111 in all Member States to reserve. The decision obliges EU member states to "116 numbers" generally available to make them mandatory but not the numbers to a single provider to indicate whether the service. The number 116000 was on August 31, 2007 are available and the number 116111 on February 29, 2008. After these dates the national telecom operators could activate them for use by hotline and hulplijnverleners. A third number, 116123, is reserved for helplines for emotional support to adults.

Following the initiative of the European Commission, the International Telecommunication Union on June 16, 2008 to 116,111 worldwide introduction of the number requested

atardi said...

Cláudia,

Is it possible to plan a holiday in Viseu if you have children but don't want to spend time with them?

I realised by blogging that I can take my children on holiday and leave them the whole day alone.

No one cares.

Because it's my holiday too.

docmac said...

Hi Viv

I was just anwering the last few e-mails. See my post at 20.45 yeterday. Ooh, I got the years wrong, but it was written from memory ;-) Still, it ties in exactly with what you are saying is suggested by that article. Gez has tried to hijack the process and thus look important again. He has political ambitions, of that you can be sure. Already talks like one...

Nite x.

Cláudia said...

Hi, guys. I think Paulo Reis also has an article discussing that.

Atardi, only if you manage to do it without anyone realising. This is not exactly a big place. If someone suspected young children were home alone, the police would be called in a matter of minutes. :-)

atardi said...

Hi Viv,

So I can send you all news (here) in Dutch?


Whether this is the article that Kate and Gerry seem to be focussing on to suggest Amber Alert is being put forward as a political proposal I am not sure, but this is clearly not the case!.
----------------------------

Yes. They wanted to lift on this 116 number. Like Docmac said.
But they failed.

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You received the first article too about the Alert System in 2006? I think someone have read that in may 2007.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, all.

atardi said...

Sorry Cláudia,

I won't be there ;).

Sleep well.

atardi said...

Will read you all tomorrow!

viv said...

Hi Atardi

Yes, you can put articles on here in Dutch and either me or someone can use google translate facility to post them in English.

Docmanc accurately summed the situation up a few days ago, and Mum 21 appears to be the only person posting on "supertroll" and still does not know what she is talkiing about, unless it is spouting racism or how to neglect children and excuse the parents. How ignorant to suggest the McCanns could implement anything at all in the European Parliament, what authority do they have to do that? Would anyone vote to elect them!!!!:
Mum21

"Everyone knows the McCann's instigated putting in place an Amber Alert type system in Europe."

Rubbish. The 116 numbers were mooted in 2005 and the recommendations were ratified in 2006. Gerry runs around shouting about AMBER Alert because he hopes it will look good in front on a judge. He had nothing to do with it. He attempted to hijack the process and failed miserably.

viv said...

Boa Noite querida Claudia and All


Dorme bem
(sleep well)

Viv xxxxxxx

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marga said...

Morning!

Atardi,
officially only on the 23rd until end of August. Meanwhile other tasks to do related to exams.

Joana Morais has the transcript of the interview with PR and DL on the 8th July that I missed. It is in Portuguese but using the google translator you will get the message.

Hot day here. Wonderful sun.

BTW, according to the Sun the holiday destination was Vancouver.
I wonder why they were afraid of choosing an European country...

Was the probability of finding their missing daughter bigger in Canada? Or was it just a strategy just in case the date 14th July would bring sth unpleasant?

marga said...

Read you all later.

Off to enjoy the weather.

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