13 May 2008

CLARENCE 11.5.08 NO THEY WONT 12.5.08 OH ER YES THEY WILL HOLD A BIRTHDAY PARTY..

Hi all I have just updated with this pic which Dolores sent to me of a foreign couple being driven to police station on 10 May by PJ - does anyone know any more about who these witnesses may be? Viv x






CREEPY: Gail saw weirdo 3 times writes the spellbinding News of the ~World ummmmmm and they told us she is 50...what a hard life eh?










Hi All and what a remarkable turn around for Clarence Mitchell. As soon as he realises the negative impact of his announcement the McCanns will not celebrate Madeleine' birthday we get a contradictory headline saying they will, but Gerry has some appointments. This must rate as one his least slick performances in the press to date! "Sadly for them it is just another day without Madeleine" was meant to make us feel sorry for THEM! Wrong again, Clarence! See the way these two completely contradictory headlines come up on a news search..is this really what you call manipulating the media Clarence!








I was beginning to think M3 got the push, but in the second article it would seem they are the mystery investigators continuing to follow up "potential" leads of Madeleine's "apparent" abduction. Since September 2007 I have yet to see any potential leads emanating from M3 or the rest of Team McCann. Of course Clarence does not want to go into detail about all of these leads...Now I cannot imagine why not...(!!)




Although their new hotline does sound like an attempt to pervert the course of justice by interfering in the police investigation, it seems to me it will not, because, as ever, the McCanns only want to talk to people who can give information to feed their fantasty investigation about "abduction" so the proper police witnesses will not be bothering to call. I am sure that by now both Leicestershire Police and PJ have learned to completely ignore this rubbish and not be distracted from the proper investigation. This has as much to do with the McCanns wanting to rubbish Portuguese Police by stating they did not follow up leads from celebrity grabbing hoaxers such as Gran Cooper..maybe they had something better to do!

McCanns will not mark Maddie's birthday
Sunday, May 11, 2008

Birthday: Maddie McCann
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann will not mark her fifth birthday today – describing it as 'just another day' without their daughter.
Kate and Gerry McCann vowed to not do anything special on the grim milestone and continue to search for their little girl.
'Gerry will be at work and Kate will be at or around home,' said their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell.
'Sadly for them, it is just another day without Madeleine.'

The McCanns believe the intense publicity which has surrounded their daughter's disappearance will fade away after her birthday.


McCanns hold 'low-key Maddie birthday party'
Monday, May 12, 2008
Maddie McCann
Madeleine McCann's parents were marking their missing daughter's fifth birthday privately at home today.
A low-key party was being held for the benefit of her younger brother and sister, three-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, yet it was "just another day without her" for Gerry and Kate McCann, said their spokesman.
He said: "Obviously, without Madeleine home yet, this is sadly just another day without her in many respects.
"Gerry and Kate will, of course, mark her fifth birthday, as much for Sean and Amelie's benefit as anything else, but they will do this privately within the family."

Relatives were expected to visit the McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire, today.
Mr McCann, a consultant cardiologist at Leicester's Glenfield Hospital, has a number of clinical appointments but he and his wife were due to be together at home for some part of the day.
"They will not be doing anything in public other than reiterating the need for anybody with information to please come forward
and contact our new phone line launched earlier this month - 0845 838 4699," said Mr Mitchell.
"We have had a very, very good and encouraging response so far. The emails have run into thousands and there have been hundreds of calls."
After more than a year of potential leads and reported sightings of their daughter, the McCanns take news of fresh information in their stride.
But Mr Mitchell said Metodo 3, the private investigation firm working on their behalf, was following up several promising leads, submitted after the campaign launch, "with some degree of urgency". He would not go into detail about those leads.
The McCanns want anyone with information about Madeleine to call them on 0845 838 4699 or email investigation@findmadeleine.com or anonymous@findmadeleine.com.


The couple could, however, report that their recent appeal for information has drawn thousands of emails and hundreds of phone calls.
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Their new campaign, launched ahead of the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, urged anyone who has spoken to the Portuguese or British authorities about her apparent abduction in Praia da Luz to now call them.
The response has thrown up several "promising leads" which are now being probed by their private investigators, said their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell.

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dylan said...

Hi all,

Sorry if I repeat anything already said as I haven't had time to read back much, but i watched the video of the interview this morning.

I just cannot get my head around Kate's answer as to Maddy crying. Why would she say that it could have been because someone tried to enter the apartment that night and that she kicks herself for not telling the police because it could have been significant????

Surely the most normal and bloody obvious response is that the kids were crying and upset because their parents WEREN'T THERE and they were alone in a strange room, abroad, at night???? What a very odd and obscure supposition!

Kate can say what she likes about "nasty bloggers". Ah, poor love, but IMHO, what's nasty about picking her up for not stating the bl***y obvious? I really just cannot believe that two very intelligent people believe/would have the public believe that it is more likely that the children were crying because, clearly, somebody tried to break in!!

There are two scenarios here:

1) Kate and Gerry are fools
2) Kate and Gerry thinks everybody outside of their cosy T group are fools.

Message to both from a nasty blogger:

Young children become very upset and distressed, often leading to tears, when they are abandoned by their parents.

The chances that they were subjected to an attempted break-in and abduction the previous night are about as probable as my cat deciding that my dog is her new best friend!

Sorry for the rant. I have been so angry since I watched the clip this morning and needed to get it off my chest!

Anything new today?

Dyl xx

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

Regarding the poor girl in the Austrian story and what she went through. Children have an amazing capacity for forgiveness when it comes to their parents.

If you didn't know some of these horror stories about child abuse you just wouldn't believe it possible would you.

I'm not surprised though that the daughter denies what happened - she may not want the world knowing what had happened and feels very ashamed, even though none of it was her fault poor girl.

Regarding Robert Murat not going for some pay out from the Scotsman, this may be because they have actually come out and apologised themselves before he got them in a court room, he has decided to forget the whole sorry story and they have got their come uppance anyway having to apolgose to Robert!


Nx

Wizard said...

Didn’t the McCann order a babysitter for the night of the 3rd May but decided to cancel? Also weren’t the cleaners turned away on the 3rd May by Kate?

nancy said...

Just why are the McCanns not too happy with Matthew Oldfield at the moment? Is it because he didn't look into the bedroom when supposedly checking on the children? I must have missed something here!

atardi said...

Sorry Mariana and Zodiac,

I made a post saying that would catch up later after dinner and searching for the video. But it got lost in cyberspace.

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nancy said...

Wizard -

Yes, according to statements they did order a babysitter and then cancelled claiming that they didn't know if they could trust them, even though their children were in the nursery during the day with the MW nannies! They certainly didn't use one on the night the MW staff had to go and drag them back to their crying children on the 2nd May though. Just how often did these tapas friends use baby sitters I wonder? Yes,they did purportedly cancel the cleaner for the 3rd - another wierd coincidence!

nancy said...

Dylan -

More fantasy on Kate's part I suspect - if your child had been crying and told you next day, would you automatically think that someone had been in their bedroom the night before - all porkies in my opinion, and there are so many of them they are beginning to trip themselves up as they go along, and that's why they don't feel to happy about going back to PdeL for the reconstruction in my opinion!

nancy said...

Atardi -

If Gerry said he was the last one to see her alive that is a slip that could land him in trouble in my opinion. Why didn't he just say he was the last one to see Madeleine! As I said before, these two are shooting themselves in the foot with every utterance!

Apparently Madeleine was supposed to have said to Kate on the night of the 3rd when beging tucked up for bed, that she had had the best day ever! Maybe that was a few nights before, but I don't think it was on the 3rd!!

dylan said...

Hiya Nancy,

Porkies, lol! I haven't used that word in ages but it is apt. It is too much of a coincidence, as you say, that they cancelled the babysitter, claiming the service was not to be trusted, and the cleaner on the same day.

How could anybody presume that leaving the children to their own devices is safer than hiring a sitter? Didn't they say that they felt the complex was safe? They can't have it both ways. If they felt it safe then the services that go hand in hand with it are safe too. "just like sitting in your back garden". If you follow this logic, it's like saying that at a family bbq, you didn't feel comfortable with asking a family friend that you invited to keep an eye on your toddler whilst you flipped a burger!!

They are chasing thier tails with this one, i'm afraid and you're right to say they are digging an ever deeper hole for themselves.
Who do they think is buying all this clap-trap?

If they had just said that they never should have left the children, they were inexcusably negligent and that they were sorry for thier missing daughter for their terrible mistake, i would have so much more sympathy, but it seems they can't do this.

They need to do this for the sake of other children who's parents' think this behaviour is fine. The chances of an accident by neglect are far more likely than an abduction and they need to endorse this point and not wriggle out of it.

I did, however see kate's tears as genuine, for the first time and felt very sorry for her. It made me want to put my arms around her so i guess i'm not that nasty a blogger. :(

How are you btw? xx

atardi said...

Mariana and Zodiac,

This was the 1st interview on Spanish tv since they became suspect. It was on the 25th of october 2007.

After dinner and searching I found the interview. I think you both have seen it before. I have seen it also before, but 2 weeks ago I listened and watched carefully.

The last 3,5 minutes are important when the interviewer ask about 6 questions.

10.43

1. About the last night. The 3th of may.
Q:What's the last thing you remember about Madeleine?
(In Spanish : Qué es lo último que recuerden de Madeleine?)

Kate: "A little bit like..... happy...loving and I know/knew Madeleine was verry happy with her life…….Special"


11.24
2. Question to Kate: Ustéd.....fue la última que la vió verdad? Porque Gerry estaba jugando tennis. Creo qué sí.

English:(Kate)You were the last one to see Madeleine because Gerry was playing tennis.

I had it wrong in my last post.
Kate couldn't answer that question.

Gerry took over and said : “I saw, I saw ….. I thought how beautiful she was…………

3. Q. About an accident. (sedating the children)

4. Q About their bound.

5. Q About people hoping that Madeleine would be founded alive.
( Kate don’t look at the interviewer)



You must watch the last 4 minutes a couple of times.


And Hope if you are reading they trust their tapas friends for 100%.

nancy said...

Dylan -

Your 4th paragraph is so right - if they had had that attitude from the beginning there would have been a lot more sympathy from the public.

Instead they have put the public's back up with their inconsistencies and strange behaviour - not the behaviour of normal parents who have lost a child to who knows what!

I'm fine thank you Dylan - thanks for asking, and I hope you are well too!

It's good that all of us on Viv's blog have become friends even though we have no idea what each of us looks like or indeed anything much about each other at all!


Nx

ta ra said...

Evening All,

In this quiet time before wrongdoers are unmasked, it might be helpful for us to recall that Robert Murat will be represented by Max Clifford, after RMs arguido status is lifted.

Such a neat legal nicety exists in those words.

Robert Murat IS represented by Max Clifford, doyen of UK PR, and one of the sharpest media operators in the world.

Foolishly, the greedy McCanns took money from the DE when they insisted on an apology from a weak newspaper. If only their 'reputation/honour' was at stake, why grab the money?

Robert Murat has better advisors. Accept the apology. The money comes from elsewhere; more money than Murat or the McCanns could make in a lifetime by their own efforts.

Tsk. All this cynical, money grubbing activity over the body of one dead English girl, neglected by her parents.

Tonight, China mourns the unbearable grief of thousands dead; many of them children; many of them the only hope of a legacy for a country sworn to a 'one child policy'.

The McCanns and their supporters are a tiresome nuisance, in my opinion. They are creatures of a spoilt brat clique.

Robert Murat had the sense to respect Portuguese law, and seek ruthless UK PR protection.

The arrogant McCanns who think they know better than anyone did the opposite: their big mouths sought to dictate to Portuguese and UK law , and custom, and they have got what they deserve: second rate, big mouthed, weak willed PR, commercial, and celebrity 'support'.

Just the kind of support that serves its own interests (like the McCanns do), not the interests of Madeleine, dead aged 3, the beloved sister of Sean and Amelie.

atardi said...

Mariana,Zodiac and also Nancy,

I forgot the link.

I saw..I saw that...

dylan said...

glad you are well nancy. It's a good job we don't know what each other looks like as i fear my mugshot may frighten people off! :)
At least I'm not the hairy hippy that ST believes I am!

Kate and Gerry are not acting normally. And, yes, they do get my back up so to speak. It is very frustrating. I want to yell at them that they can't be saying what they say and that they will endear far more people to their cause if they could only just tell the public, please don't behave so apallingly as we did. You could invite tragedy and at the very least, your children could suffer anguish and extreme distress if you leave them on their own.

It really puzzles me that they seem on the verge of admitting this but never actually get there. What on earth is stopping them? Sheer desperation of clinging to their lie, IMO.

xx

ta ra said...

And finally...

Atardi,
I agree with you: 'eejits'! Tsk. Such eejits are such time wasters, I think.

Hey ho. That's the way the world goes, I guess.
See you next time, Ladies! Pleasure to read your words. Be sweeties now, and stay in tough with mccannfiles and 3As. This is the world weird web.

Down with the dastardly enemies of free expression! Up with the supporters of honest inquiry.

This is the long march, I think; not the quick sprint to a certain result. Just a thought.
x
leigh

dylan said...

Hello Leigh,

I buy the Independent and was very upset to see a photo of a dead child from the chinese earthquake being carried in a sheet. I respect that paper but wish they wouldn't publish such pictures even though it does kind of put things into perspective.

I feel sure that a law used to exist to restrict such images and at the very least, they should put a big warning on the front page that 'x' photo is on 'y' page so that I don't have to see it by accident. How very sad. ((

Maybe the McCanns should realise that us 'evil' bloggers are actually very human/humane and this is perhaps why their actions have incensed us so much. It's not until you see the child in the sheet that you realise how much we love them [children]and how precious they are. xx

atardi said...

Leigh3,

So nice to read your words with "2 eyes" again.

You are right about the WWW.

So many cases were already discussed on the WWW. I think the McCanns underestimated yhe power of the WWW.

And we will continue doing that now for Madeleine.

JFM.

dylan said...

Atardi,

Did I miss something? Why "with two eyes again" ?

Are you ok?

xx

atardi said...

Hi all,

Going to do some exercises on the Wii Fit. See you over about an hour.

BBFN.

dylan said...

Also, the McCanns very definately underestimated the WWW. This is obviously why Kate gave the bloggers a disparaging reference. Of course it upsets her because it's the only feedback she can get and the feedback's not in their favour.

One would think that if they had read what we say they might take some advice as to what the public expects! ;) xx

ta ra said...

Dear Atardi,

The eejits did underestimate the www, but that's why eejits are eejits ;-)

Oh, well. March on, we will, however long this takes to unmask liars, and find Justice for Madeleine, and every child.

One child is every child.

You're a sweety, Atardi, for sticking with this, against all odds.

ta ra said...

Hey Dylan!

And they are silly to underestimate the likes of you.

See you next time. Happy to read you.
I hope you remember that this is the 'long game'; a game chose by Madeleine's family. They resent those who question their version of events. Yet those who question might be those who would forgive them quickly if they confess; confess to whatever wrong they did.

Tsk. The dichotomy, the paradox of life. Sometimes, a person's fiercest critic can be their strongest defender.
x
leigh

Ecolab said...

Dear Viv
Regarding your writing this morning at 08:57 about Natascha Kampusch, and your question about her adjustment to normality and her relationship towards her mother?

First I must say. I do not know so much about Natascha. Her case really do not interest me that much. I have asked myself why? and my answer must bee.
Because I do not see Natascha as a victim. She has had some ”lost” years, but seem to get pretty much after it.

I still remember how she turned up from The Middle of Nowhere, still with the sparkle in her eyes!

Today she still has not changed her mind about ´NOT seeing` her mother. As far as I know, she does not have contact at all, with the mother. It seem as, Natascha has self-amputatet her mother out of her life!
Something that might have happend years before the abdution. After reading your script I have a possible clue why!

When I read your piece and I quote:
” … a neighbour (Anneliese Glaser)…. claimed the mother had little time for her daughter.
She said that the day before Natascha disappeared, she had returned from a trip to Hungary with her father, only to find the flat empty because her mother was out with friends.. . . . The next day she vanished. The police asked me: 'What do you think?' And I said either something happened that night or the mother sold her….”

”A Vienna newspaper published lurid photographs of Natascha, wearing lipstick and riding boots, brandishing a whip and showing her private parts, which had been found at the mothers flat.
Amid public outrage, the mother dismissed the photographs as "harmless horseplay".

Natascha was 10 years old !!!


After she escaped, the police describe here in reasonably good physical shape and as reponsive and intelligent. Later it was reported that she did and does not want to have contact with her parents but did meet with teenagers of her own age.
Police reported that said that she had sexual contact with her kidnapper (Mr. Priklopil) but said she was not forced and that it had been her free will.
Then there was an item about the fact that she had shown signs of sadness when she was told that Mr. Priklopil had died (he had committed suicide on the day after she escaped).
Some time later a neighbor was found who said that he had visited the house once to borrow a tool while she was there, not knowing who she was. He thought that she might be a friend or relative. He said that "she seemed friendly and happy".

Also, she has written an open letter.

Natascha Kampusch's letter

This is a translation of the letter Natascha Kampusch wrote to the press and the public after her escape from eight years of captivity:

"Dear journalists, reporters, dear world public! I am fully aware how strong an impression the events of recent days must have left with you. I can well imagine how shocking and frightening the thought is that something like this is even possible. I am furthermore aware that you feel a certain amount of curiosity toward me and that you want to know more details about the circumstances in which I lived. I would like, however, to make clear to you in advance that I do not want or plan to answer any questions about intimate or personal details. I will take legal action against any breaches of personal limits, against whoever breaches voyeuristic limits. Anyone trying that should watch out. I have grown to be a young lady with an interest in education and in human needs.

My living space: My room was sufficiently equipped. It was my room. And not meant to be shown to the public.

My every day routine: It took place in an orderly fashion, mostly included a joint breakfast - he rarely worked -, house work, reading, watching television, talking, cooking. That was it, for years. All combined with the fear of loneliness.

About the relationship: He was not my master. I was equally strong, but - symbolically speaking - he carried me with his hands and kicked me with his feet. But he picked the wrong person - and both he and I knew that. He did the kidnapping by himself, everything was already prepared. Together with me he then set up the room, which was just 1.6 meters tall. By the way, I did not cry after my escape. There was no reason to be sad. In my eyes his death would not have been necessary. It would surely have been a punishment, not the end of the world. He was part of my life. That is why in a certain way I mourn him. Of course it is true that my youth was different from that of many others, but in principle I do not have the feeling that I have missed out on anything. I have been saved from some things, from starting to smoke or drink, or from having bad friends.

Message to the media: The only thing from which the press should save me is the eternal lies about my person, the false interpretations, the we-know-better mentality and the lack of respect toward me.

I feel good in my current location, maybe a little patronized. But I have decided to have only telephone contact with my family. I will determine myself when to get in touch with journalists.

About my escape: When I had to wash and vacuum clean the car in the garden he went off because of the vacuum noise. That was my chance. I just left the vacuum cleaner running.

By the way I never called him "Master," although he wanted that. I think he wanted it - to be called - but did not really mean it.

I have a confidential lawyer, who deals with all legal issues. The youth lawyer [Monika] Pinterits is my confidant; I can talk well with Dr. [Max] Friedrich [a youth neuropsychiatrist] and Dr. [Ernst] Berger [a youth psychiatrist]. The team of Mr. [Johann] Frühstück [head of the police investigation] was very good to me. I send them my greetings, although they were a little curious. But that is their job.

Intimate questions: Everyone always wants to ask intimate questions that are nobody's business. Maybe I will tell my counselor some day, or someone else when I feel the need to or maybe never. The intimacy is mine alone.

Mister H. [a friend of the kidnapper, Wolfgang Priklopils, who gave him a ride shortly before his suicide] - that is my message - should not feel guilty. It was not his fault; it was Wolfgang's own decision to throw himself in front of the train. I feel for Wolfgang's mother. I can put myself in the present situation. I and we both think about him. I want to also thank all those people who empathize with my situation. Please leave me in peace in the time to come. Dr. Friedrich will explain it with this declaration. Many people take care of me. Give me time, until I can report myself.Natascha Kampusch"

Translated by the International Herald Tribune MONDAY, AUGUST 28, 2006
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Viv:
Today Natascha Kampusch is loaded with money. She's become a millionaire celebrity and bought the Priklopil House, moved to the city, writing her book, Hollywood movie, own talkshow etc.
* May 16 2008 - VIENNA, Austria (AP)- The lawyer for former Austrian kidnap victim Natascha Kampusch says the young woman now owns the house where she was held captive for more than eight years.Lawyer Gerald Ganzger says Kampusch became the owner of the house and yard in the quiet Vienna suburb of Strasshof earlier this year. She is not thought to live there.Ganzger said Friday Kampusch received two-thirds of the property as compensation and reached agreement with her captor’s mother for the remaining third. He declined to provide more details.*


http://www.ninapeople.com/i/2007/12/1173_s.jpg
2 weeks after release

So Viv . …. YES I think this young lady is able to relieve her childhood ordeals. Also I think, she has a stroking nerve against her mother and let the mother free many years ago (maybe age of 4)! You say, her mother is, her flesh and blood, but the only person, who was nice to her throughout her intire childhood was her abductor!


** I think, environment is more important than inheritance. Maybe Priklopil did Natascha a favor!
Said that, I do not think that Madeleine is in such a fab. situation like Natascha! Though I might be wrong, and she might be sold too!

”Life-Vitality(spark of life)” is of a functional or/and psycho-bioloctical category. It belongs within the organism, but is evaluated from the outside and can be mesured in the lengh of life and time of the survival. There is reason to assume, that the Life-Vitality is resulting in (or is cooporating with) the Zest of Life! Some people experience Holocaust and do survive, while others do die!

** Does this make sence?
SORRY about the length, but it was some really tuff questions Viv.Feel free to delete it. Next time I prefer them in danish? Of cource I`ll write you back in danish too. *LoooL*

dylan said...

Leigh! How true that is:

Tsk. The dichotomy, the paradox of life. Sometimes, a person's fiercest critic can be their strongest defender.

Such words of wisdom.

Have a good one, whatever you are doing tonight. xx

dylan said...

Ecolab, lol! you have gone right over my head! I'm being a bit of a 'thickie' tonight! xx

ta ra said...

Dylan.

You have the gift of humility. I think you understand; little goes 'over your head'.

As for the McCanns: they are 'holding their own at the moment'; able to defend themselves. Good, I think.

IMO, Madeleine is dead, and her parents know that, but they have a duty of care to their twins. A parent's obligation is a heavy responsibility; it's grey matter, not white or black, simple right or wrong.

I think Kate and Gerry are the best protectors for their twins - AFTER they confess to the One True Faith.

Every Saint has a past. Every sinner has a future.

The One True Faith is the pursuit, and acceptance of fact, truth, our human weakness, and strength...that's not religion; it's truth.

Gotta go. See you next time.

God bless Madeleine, and every child. My heart wishes it so. I doubt that vain adults will make it so.

P.S. Why have I not heard from my favourite, honest McCann defender Mark55 here or elsewhere?

Mark: speak for the McCanns on the www. They need you now, more than ever. The PR nonsense has failed them.

dylan said...

God bless to you too, Leigh.

I'm not religious but I try to be Christian in my approach to life and others (if that makes sense) I sometimes wish I had an over-arching faith in life and there are times when I truly believe there is a great some-one. I just don't know who that is!

I envy you but i'm glad for you at the same time as it seems to give you great strength and compassion.

Take care & talk again soon. xx

ta ra said...

Dear Dylan,

Follow your heart and your mind, and there you will find your treasure; a treasure that will benefit you, and all you love.

Religion is a decision. Humanity just is :-) Just is love, compassion, and the self preservation.
Ta for your kind words. (and ignore the eejits!!! )
xo
leigh

bath theory said...

I have just finished watching Roberto Begnini in 'Life is Beautiful' doing all he can to protect his child from death in the 2nd World War.

Obviously it is a film ( amazing one too) but what it highlights and has made me realise this evening is just how many parents will do anything in their lives to nurture their own little acorns.
To cherish with every beat of their heart. And to sacrifice the most basic of needs in order to see their own children bloom and grow.

As a primary teacher I see many such parents and I count myself amongst this group. And yet I also come across those parents who are selfish, negligent and resentful of what having children has 'done to them.'

One thing thinking it from time to time and another thing is acting on it and making it a habit that erodes the emotional stability of your own child.

I have no doubt in my mind that leaving 3 children alone at night in a foreign strange place to go and dine with friends is an expression of complete selfishness.

This very act is what has led to Madeleine's death (IMO)

This couple put their needs first. their need to drink,
their need to be seen,
their need to make contacts,
their need to have a good time, their need to feel important,
etc, etc, etc

But quite clearly the needs of the children SHOULD have come first. It is as simple as that.

In the film 'Life is Beautiful' even when the father is aware that his life is about to finish he wants to fulfill his child's dreams and to put a smile on his child's face.

If the McCann's had led their life by wanting to ensure they put smiles on their children's faces they would not be where they are.

ES ASI DE SIMPLE

atardi said...

Dylan,

I did some exercises on the Wii Fit(30 minutes) and than took care of my garden.

Had an "accident" last week. I had ear-drops instead of eye-drops in my eyes.

It was a painful experience. And had to read this blog with one eye. Now I'm able to use both eyes.

Nice to "see" you again.

Have you passed your tests?

You've been working so hard.

nancy said...

I've just been watching the youtube videos - there are so many of them!

I watched one about the distance from the tapas bar to the apartment which could definitely not be seen from wherever they were sitting.

What I didn't realise before was how steep and long the staircase from the wrought iron gate to the door at the top was, especially for a child to climb down.

It occurred to me that if Madeleine had fallen down those steps she could well have had a serious or even fatal accident!

Did K&G perhaps find her lying badly injured or even dead, on their way home from the tapas bar.

They would have carried her indoors and her DNA would have been around the apartment for sure!

I know that when children fall they are usually relaxed and don't hurt themselves too much, but I remember a case last year when a child in the school playground had fallen down steps during playtime and was seriously injured (or did die), I can't quite remember.
Anyway, the school was censored for allowing that to happen saying there wasn't adequate supervision.

So many ifs and buts in this case!

ta ra said...

Ahhh, Bath.
With every beat of your heart...make it so.

One child is every child.

Lovely words from you in your reflection on the movie.

China mourns. Perhaps a message to China vis its Embassy or the Chinese Bank might console their hearts? If we all do same. Just a thought. Not a prescription.

nancy said...

Atardi -

Sorry to hear about that painful accident with the ear drops in the eyes! It just shows how easy these things can happen - a bit like putting deodorant on as a hair spray which I did once, only much more painful for you of course.

I took a friend to a specialist last week, as her translator - she has problems with her right ear. Well the specialist gave her a prescription saying to put 35 drops in 3 times a day. We were laughing about her poor husband having to try to administer 35 drops, one at a time, three times a day. Anyway she picked up the prescription and read it - and it said to take it with orange juice!!! So luckily she read it before putting these drops in!! What a mess she would have been in!!

Nx

nancy said...

Time for me to say adios now - I'll catch up with all your blogs tomorrow morning!

See you all tomorrow for another interesting read!

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE AND EVERY CHILD ON THIS EARTH!!



Nancy x

hope4truth said...

Hi ALL

Atardi sorry to hear about your ear to eye accident you poor thing.... The Wii fit is the best thing ever isnt it???

I loved it when my little character got a little fatter when it weighed and measured my BMI and now I have not used it for a while because my tooth was so bad when you go into the first bit where the characters are my Husband and my Childrens characters are jumping about and I am asleep I love it...

Will start on it again tomorrow but it is so much fun you dont realise you are getting fit...

Hope everyone else has not mixed any drops up and are all ok had a manic week and have not had time to post xxx

bath theory said...

Hi Leigh

I am reminded that there is only one race the human race.

And yet so many of us are so keen to put someone down to make us feel bigger or stronger or better.

CHANGE usually takes sustained effort and therein lays the issue.

Off now to watch QI on BBC2. It makes me smile and my wife and I have had a very hard day nursing our boys who were unable to hold down water for most of it.

I am angry tonight thinking about this couple after watching such a moving film, so best I leave and relax with Stephen Fry.

As said before Leigh I have a feeling these two are heading for the courtroom and direct probing questions will fill the court.

GOODNIGHT ALL

atardi said...

Leigh3,

I hope you're not gone already.

About the WWW. The reason why I always like to read your posts is becuase of some religions things we have in common. I was born on an island where everyone turns out automatically Catholic. (Don't forget the inquisition. When I was 7 I went to a protestant school. (It was no problem, every religion lived and still lives together there).

When I moved for my study to this country, it was very hard for me to realise that people were dividing their lives in sections/religions.

I like the humanistic view.

The McCanns may think their sins will be forgiven by the Catholics (maybe they confessed already to father Pacheco).


Leigh3,

I always thought that your tsk was thanks.

But I realised today that it was something more than thanks.

Does it it means: "come on?".

Joe said...

IMO science and religion do not mix. K&G are both doctors so the religion aspect that they have tried to portray does not wash, but another vehicle to suggest honesty,integrity,piety and innocence.

atardi said...

Hey Hope,

Nice to `read` you. The footballing daughter asked me today to ask you to come to us here for a weekend during the summer holiday.of that=


What do you think

hope4truth said...

Atardi

That sounds lovely but unfortunatly we are booked up for the rest of this year. We have one daughter rehersing most of the summer for a show and the other is on a climbing course that requires us to play taxis all summer. We have 2 weddings and two seperate weeks holidays still to go on...

What are you doing in 2009????

Has her season finished yet?

dylan said...

Hi Atardi,

That sounds like a painful mix-up! Glad you have the use of both eyes again.

We all finished exams back in April and had another 2 weeks of finishing coursework. The university double marks exams and then sends the results off to moderators so we won't know the results for a few weeks yet. We have just been told they want all of our coursework back by 20 June too. No doubt that will take them weeks to get it returned. I'm a bit cheesed off as I lost my flash drive and I need 2 of my pieces of coursework for my dissertation. Thankfully, a kind friend has offered to scan them for me.

Most of us are a couple of weeks into our dissertations now. Mine's going ok but i'm struggling with matlab. It's just not my thing! My supervisor is pleased with what I have done, so far, but not very impressed that I can't remember anything I have programmed in matlab without my notes. lol! :)))

Anyway, must say bfn. Going to bed as v tired. Hello Hope, hunny, will mail you soon. x

Thanks everyone for such lovely comments and sentiments this evening. I have enjoyed reading you all.

Nite xx

atardi said...

Hope,

In 2009,......

I hope to meet you and your family and that we are still blogging on this site.

atardi said...

Dylan,

Sleep tight.Always thinking of you.
Hope you´ll here tomorrow.

hope4truth said...

Atardi and Dyl

I hope we are blogging on in 2009 but I do hope we have a more pleasent subject than poor little Madeleine...

I am off to bed see you all tomorrow xxx

atardi said...

Hope,

See you tomorrow.

ratonthebeam said...

Good morning, fellow truth seekers!
This thread on the 3As will be of interest, in the absence of any proper news today. It is quite a long thread but well worth reading, and about a new forum that opened recently, that you might not have heard about. But be quick, it's maybe not going to be around for much longer.

BTW "Rhodes" or "Rhodes03" is Rosiepops.

dolores said...

ROTB,

It was'nt on there.What is the creep trying to do.spread more racist crap?

hope4truth said...

Hi Rat

I am reading the link you posted but cant work out which forum people have been cloned on???

Will have another look to see if I can work it all out RP must be ashamed of what she writes if she has to create another ID if any of these people are connected to the McCanns it is not going to look very good for them if they are ever outed (as people seem to want to do trolls site ANON outed Muse/Troll etc) dont know if what they put was correct this morning but I did notice shadow harmoney website had shut down not that I could make head nor tail of that either???

Hope you are well xxx

ratonthebeam said...

http://sangfroid.freeforums.org/

If you really feel the need to register there, FGS use a throwaway email that does not have your real name on it. I don't even look at it unless it's through a proxy. These guys are seriously bad news. They make the Kittens'n'Fairies blog look like a kindergarten. Rosie had to really, really, really excel herself to get banned from there!!!

hope4truth said...

Thanks Rat

It makes sense now I wont be regerstering...

xxx

Unknown said...

Hi Viv, everyone

Atardi
I hope you get well soon.
Thank you for the video link.
You were absolutely right.

A friend has mailed me a video which is an .ivr file. Does anybody know how to convert this to another format?
I have tried but it only separates the voice from the images.

dolores said...

Mariana,
Are you able to tell me if witnesses can refuse to help police with questioning or reconstruction?

docmac said...

Hi Mariana,

A .ivr file plays in RealPlayer. If you have this installed burn the video to a VideoCD, then rip the CD to your hard drive using WM Player or your choice of ripper.

If you don't have Real installed and you don't want it, or you have time to wait for it, go to this free online file conversion site.

Unknown said...

Hi Dolores

Witnesses can be charged with obstruction of justice if they refuse to assist the police.

Docmac
Thank you for your help. I will try and convert it.

Stella said...

Hello everyone

I found this on 3A's and think it is quite interesting.

The Tapas7 are currently witnesses for the defence. If they don't turn up, it means their testimony in defence of the McCann’s could be struck off or disregarded. By not turning up, the McCann’s are even more exposed.

Someone has just raised the stakes...

Unknown said...

Hi Stella
Can that be?
The McCann's have not been charged yet.

Joe said...

If Rosiepops is Rhodes/Rhodes03 and whoever she is a serious hypocrite. Only in the last few days she was saying Alsabella had about 10 different ID's for the Net blogs. Maybe so, but she appears to be doing the same herself. What a hypocrite. I suppose she needs to have alter egos to talk do as her ever dwindling group gets smaller, perhaps that group are all her as well? Sad.

That is interesting Stella about the Tapas as witnesses for a defence if it comes to trial. It would not look good in any trial if they refused to assist because they would have to have just reason not to. The McCanns had better think this one out carefully, otherwise it may dramatically harm their defence if any future trial occurs

dolores said...

Mariana,
Thanks, thats the answer I was hoping for it gets better and better.:))

Stella said...

Mariana, Hi

I do not go to the 3A site often, to be honest, that site scares the life out of me and I just went back there to see if I could get back to where this post came from, but I couldn't, which is annoying...

I guess whoever wrote it is a legal expert pointing something out.

Unknown said...

Stella
If there is a trial and the Tapas don't show up, then the mcCann's will be in trouble.

Stella said...

Joe

There's an old saying I think, "he who laughs last, laughs the longest". The McCann's think they are so clever, they are coming to realise the hard way that it is the PJ who now has them by the short and curlies....

Stella said...

Mariana

I have suspected for a very long time that there must be many people out there who are experts in different fields all over the world who are desperate to offer any advice and help to the PJ to nail this sad bunch of child neglecters. Good. If the world unites to bring these two to justice, what a wonderful world this could be...

dolores said...

Stella,
The Mc'a need to get it through their brains that the PJ are running this investigation, not them.

Stella said...

Just found it, if anyone is interested, it is called

"linking information from the press with PJ actions"

a discussion on the failure of any to attend reconstruction.

Unknown said...

Stella

I agree with you that there are experts trying to help the PJ anyway they can, but I do not believe its desperation that guides them.
A lot of them can see through the McCann's and their pr game and they just feel that justice must come for the little girl.

At one point GM said that "Madeleine is totally innocent" and I thought it was a strange statement.
I asked a psychologist friend as to the meaning of this and told me that it is a sign of guilt.
I am certain the PJ have their own profilers assisting them.

Joe said...

Stella,

You may well be right. Any hasty decisions that were made at the start by the Tapas 9 will be shown up the longer this case goes on and is continually scrutinized. If there was a cover up by the Tapas 9 I am sure that it was a stop gap decision hoping that the PJ would quickly move on to the abduction theory and the case then go into history. This has not happened and the focus is still on the Tapas 9 and there appears to be more holes in their accounts than a large sieve.

They are morally duty bound
IMO and possibly legally, to assist in the reconstruction. Anything short of full co-operation is reprehensible and beneath contempt for so called professional caring, family orientated, and not forgetting the two devout catholics
parents.

Stella said...

Dolores

The McCann's truly believe they will receive full protection. They have never once shown any signs of being scared or worried, which in their shoes whether they were guilty or innocent, should be showing signs of concern, but nothing, I can tell you I would be worried sick as would most people i'm sure. They are far to smug and for an obvious reason.

Unknown said...

Hey Stella
Beleive you me, they are worried to death, they know they will end up in prison.
The "no worries" show, is just a show.

Unknown said...

sorry "believe"

Joe said...

Stella,

I agree this is something that has always perplexed me as well. Its like as if there are untouchable and nothing will affect them. No modesty, trepidation, fear or anxiety. like a big game where they know the outcome already.

Off to watch the FA cup final.

Stella said...

Mariana

That is a very strange thing to say, "Madeleine is totally innocent". Why say that. What could is he inferring that she could be guilty of?? I am beginning to wonder if those two are on something, with all the nonsense they keep coming out with.

Stella said...

Joe

Who do you want to win?

Unknown said...

Thank you Ecolab
Off to convert the file now.
cu all later

Stella said...

Mariana

If for no other reason, I want those two locked up so that laws can be changed, so that it becomes very clear that anyone leaving infants alone in that way will receive a minimum 10 year prison sentance, without fail. Let's make an example of them, show everyone that from this year onwards there will be a zero tolerance where child neglect is concerned. We need to get tough.

dolores said...

Stella /Mariana
Notice the last remark by pinky.Is he saying some witnesses are going to be unavailable.It would be truly suspicious,consdering this is what is being said according to The Portugese News Online.

Should any witness refuse to participate, the reconstruction will not be carried out, police sources have indicated.
-------------------------------



Timeline of the McCanns put in question 24horas
Witnesses say that they didn't see Maddie after the end of the afternoon
Text Carlos Tomás 17/5/08

Little Madeleine McCann was not seen from 18.00 on the 3rd of May 2007, meaning almost four hours before the mother, Kate, gave the alarm in Praia da Luz, Algarve. That is the conclusion drawn from the correlation of information given to the British police by more than 60 tourists that were at the Ocean Club on the day of the disappearance.
The authorities of Leicester have been sending this information drop by drop to the team of Paulo Rebelo. "None of the more than fifty persons that were in the tourist resort saw the child from 18.00 hours onwards. The several interrogatories made at the time of the disappearance and more recently in England prove that the girl was no longer seen in the end of the afternoon", said a judicial responsible connected to the investigations to 24horas.
This data led the judicial responsible to assume that "contrary to what the parents always claimed the hour that the disappearance occurred is yet to be defined and it might not be after 22.00 hours but much earlier".

There are still depositions missing

The team of the PJ are not yet in possession of all the depositions that were requested to the British authorities, made in the rogatory letter sent to that country at the end of 2007. The principal depositions of the McCanns' friends have already been evaluated scrupulously.

FACTS

Alarm
Kate McCann entered the Tapas Bar after 22.30 screaming "they've taken her". She was never able to explain to the authorities who "they" were. The GNR arrived at the location in less than 20 minutes and the PJ one hour after. In the apartment were the twins and there was not found any sign of a break in.

Impositions
The 7 friends that dinned with the McCanns in the Tapas Bar are putting conditions to the Public Prosecutor to return to our country. They are invited to cooperate in the reconstruction of that night, a proceeding considered very important to clarify the facts.

Reconstruction without date
The PJ continues to wait for a reply from the McCanns and their friends to schedule a date to the reconstruction of the facts that occurred on the 3rd of May 2007: "We have not received any indication from the Public Prosecutor about this issue. We are still waiting that the McCanns and their friends to decide when they want to come to Portugal. We cannot oblige them, they come if they wish", said the same source.
Guilhermino Encarnação, responsible for the Department of Faro, maintains that "in this phase there is nothing to say" and as soon as relevant data of public interest connected to this media case occurs "it will be revealed by the competent authorities".
The McCanns say, through their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell that they are willing to return to our country but they do not take responsibility for the decision of the friends with whom they dinned.

Stella said...

Dolores

I think that is exactly what he is trying to say. What we will be told is that one of the group cannot attend, they will not name who, and they will not explain why. Just you wait and see...


I am sorry, but there is no reasonable excuse for any of them not to be there. No employers would say no to releasing the ones that are still working. None of them presumably have an operation booked on that day, funerals can be rearranged, as can holidays, so 48 little hours to assist the enquiry is not asking to much from a crowd who said they would do anything to assist in any way....

dolores said...

Stella
I agree with you there, considering the effort they made to be together for the 'secret hotel meeting'It is going to look very deliberate and evasive, to once again frustrate the case.
But you know, I think PJ know this.And it would not surprise me if they keep adding three months every time by saying they are getting no co-operation to move forward in the investigation.





What is it with the McCanns? The Sun



Jon Gaunt

Published: 16 May 2008



WHAT is it with the McCanns? They say they will do anything to help find Maddie but are still dragging their feet over returning to Portugal for a reconstruction of the fateful night when they left Maddie and her twin siblings home alone.



Sources close to them say they have "serious reservations".



Why? What serious reservations?



Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, asks: "What is the value?"



So now this ex-BBC reporter, Government spin doctor and PR man is suddenly Columbo or Morse, is he?



I'm sorry, but let's remember they are still prime suspects and if the Portuguese plods want them in Portugal they should be there — reservations or not.

Stella said...

Dolores

Jon Gaunt has my almost full respect. He has been the only one to stand up on British TV and say they were so very wrong for leaving the children. Time and time again he is questioning them, which is great, that is how it should be.

I just wish he would show the PJ a little respect by not referring to them as plods. They deserve better.

dolores said...

Stella
I will never understand why some people find it necessary to be disrespectful.I suppose you could call it the 'common touch' a bit similar to a blog that is distasteful.

Stella said...

Dolores

The one thing that has been puzzling me is why Clarrie keeps questioning things like "what is the value". How dare he ask such a thing, what on earth has it got to do with him anyway, he is just a PR guy and a very bad one at that. I hope the PJ can charge him with something one day, he really gets on my nerves.

He has ruined one of my favourite films, "It's a wonderful life", have you ever seen it, with the angel who has to earn his wings, called Clarence. I do not think I can ever watch that film ever again without thinking of him and getting very angry.

Ecolab said...

"what is the value"?

I think Clarrie has got himself emotionally involved with his klients! Very, very unprofessionel, endeed. He makes me shake my head and laugh. LOOOOL

dolores said...

Stella
It's a wonderful life
that was James Stewart, a lovely film I have lost count at how many times I have watched this.
I doubt very much that CM would ever become an angel after his performance someone up there is going to be very angry with him.

Stella said...

Dolores

"Every time a bell rings, an Angel get's his wings". Like you I have also lost count how many times I have watched this film. My husband and I, like to put it on at Chistmas time. CM will never earn a pair of wings...

Stella said...

Ecolab

Long before Justine McGuinnes "retired" from being there mouthpiece, CM was lurking in the background. Clearly seen at the Pope visit. All highly suspicious. As you say it looks like he has become personally involved. I wonder what his wife/family are thinking about all this. He has brought shame on his family.

dolores said...

Stella
CM has an unnatural fixaction with the Mc's ,but what haunted me with this low-life was when I read in the news that while he was in PDL his wife suffered a miscarriage and he did not even get on the next plane. Where the Mc's more his concern than his wife? There is something sinister about this man's obsession.IMOP

Stella said...

Dolores

I did not know that. That is absolutely disgusting behaviour. That tells me just one thing. Somebody very important is pulling his strings. Any decent husband would never have left the country leaving his wife behind in the first place. I hope she has a seriously hard think about her marriage to that gutter rat. Personally, I think she should divorce him now, before she gets dragged down in name with him.

dolores said...

Stella
How could she have any respect for him knowing that he put two criminals before her or her unborn child.I have walked on better dirt in my garden than him.

Stella said...

Dolores

I can not begin to imagine how I would feel in her shoes. He will pay very dearly one day, very bad karma awaits him.

I'm off now, it has been lovely chatting with you, and hope to catch you again :-) bye, bye

dolores said...

Stella
Lovely chatting with you also, we will catch up soon

XD

Cláudia said...

Hello, guys.
A couple of days ago I said that I would only believe they would come when I saw it and that this time the friends not wanting to come would be their excuse. I truly believe they will only come if legally forced or if they see that not coming will completely wreck their reputation world wide (more than it already is, that is).
As for Madeleine the key period is between 6 o'clock and 8.30.

dolores said...

Claudia
Not coming proves to the world they have something nasty to hide and are to afraid to face the consequences.
They have no compassion, that this little angel deserves a Christian buriel.

Cláudia said...

Dolores, yes, that is exactly what it shows the world. But I think they don't mind if it means they are safe...

atardi said...

Hi everyone,

Just testing.

ta ra said...

Wizard.
Thank you for pointing out the serious issue for freedom of speech during this lull in investigation.

Peter Hill of the Daily Express is forced to leave the Press Complaints Commission due to the DE's 'apology' to the McCanns.

I hope the public see your comment, and realise that there are forces pursuing honest inquiry, and punishing wrongdoers of all kinds.

Mr Hill will have plenty of time to rue the day he forgot that he was a journalist, serving the public, not the PR dolts or his commercial masters.

atardi said...

Hi Leigh3,
What a great relief to read your post. I thought the site wasn't working.

But "No news is good news".

Have you heard about the McCanns/friends going too Portugal?

Unknown said...

Hiya all

I have just been reading the last few comments with interest re Clarrie's relationship with the McCanns. As you know, I think, he has an unprofessional emotional attachment to Kate.

In any professional relationship there has to be boundaries. His job is to deal with the media on their behalf, but his comments suggest that in his own mind he is far more involved than this. He frequently drops in the word "we" as though it is also a personal issue for him to consider. This is very odd. Additionally, I have noted for several months, that he betrays a lot of anger and emotion when speaking to the media on behalf of the McCanns. Even his body language is forceful and aggressive in conjunction with his manner of speech. I have noted this from September. So what happened prior to September that caused him to invest so much emotional involvement in the McCann's case, that makes him appear so unprofessional? I am not too clear about that, but I agree it was terrible that he left his wife to have a miscarriage more concerned to be with the McCanns. Husbands who are "playing away" exhibit this type of behaviour when wishing to be with the "other woman". Hence overall I think he does see Kate as the "other woman".

Viv x

ta ra said...

Hi Atardi.

We have a technical problem in the UK with the internet being overload at certain times due to inadequate engineering. Oh well, we must persist anyway!

As for the reconstruction: the relevant people must comply with Porguguese law, voluntarily or they will be compelled. That is the law.

Nice to see see you
leigh

ta ra said...

Viv,
That's interesting...

However, I must say this: Clarrie is an egotist; a journalist of no distinction turned PR. All his dreams came true when he met the McCanns, I think. It was his great chance to be in Print, radio and TV.

Maybe his 'we' is just the big 'I am'.
Just a thought.

Unknown said...

Hiya All

As this report from The DM below confirms, it does seem likely that Clarence went way beyond his role to provide an excuse for the McCanns not to take part in the reconstruction. Whilst ruling Clarence, Kate and Gerry out of the leak, no further comment was offered. Gerry, Clarence etc, control M3, I think it is likely they leaked the information in their home country...too much of a coincidence for me that they leak took place in Spain. Clarence then tries to cause a big fight with the PJ saying the gloves are off. A month later he has completely dropped it..he knows that he is undone!

Portuguese police accuse McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell of 'lying through his teeth'
By VANESSA ALLEN - More by this author »

Last updated at 00:50am on 16th April 2008



Madeleine: Police say they are taking 'significant' steps to find her
Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have branded her parents' spokesman "a manipulative liar".

The head of the Portuguese police federation, Carlos Anjos, accused Clarence Mitchell of engineering a fight with officers to sabotage a reconstruction of the disappearance.

Police statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann were leaked to the media last week as they travelled to Brussels to promote a campaign for a child alert system.

The statements revealed Maddie was left crying the night before she vanished on May 3.

At the time, Mr Mitchell accused police of masterminding the leak to overshadow the visit.

But Mr Anjos told the respected Portuguese newspaper Jornal de Noticias: 'He is a liar and a Machiavellian.

"Mr Mitchell wants to discredit the Policia Judiciaria and invent excuses so the McCanns do not come to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of the night she disappeared.

"He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth. Finally we know what side truth is on."

Scroll down for more ...



Spokesman: Clarence Mitchell makes a statement on behalf of Kate and Gerry McCann last year

A second Portuguese newspaper, Diario de Noticias, claimed police believed Mr Mitchell had leaked the police statements to Spanish television journalist Nacho Abad.

Mr Mitchell said yesterday: "It is categorically untrue and utterly ridiculous to suggest that I in any way leaked documents to embarrass Kate and Gerry.

"Why on earth would I? I will not stoop to answer Mr Anjos's wild allegations. All we have ever wanted is for someone to find Madeleine, without this kind of distraction."

He said the McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were considering the request to take part in a police reconstruction.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

That is just as good an explanation for Clarence's aggressive style when dealing with the media. He certainly is an egotist, who seems to thrive on the limelight. The anger could be explained by him feeling people are not accepting what he is saying which injures his self-esteem, feeling he is so good at his job, we certainly should believe in what he is telling us. That, after all is the point of spin, to bury bad news!

ta ra said...

Viv,
As you say: Clarence is 'undone'. He knows it. So do his employers.

Check out Wizard's comment re Peter Hill.

Sometimes, justice moves slowly...

Joe said...

Leigh3 I agree with you, a jumped up nobody who wants to be the shining knight to rescue the McCanns, who took on, in reality at the time, "a no brainer". Because of the high placed friends and backers his role has been flattered and such a pompous little troll thrives on it. Remember do not feed the troll, especially pink ones.

ta ra said...

Viv,

Agreed. Meanwhile, there are others who must atone for burying 'bad' deeds, I think.

Bad news for them, and their victims.

atardi said...

Leigh3,

I read this yesterday from News online:
________________


Madeleine - Reconstruction postponed
17/5/2008

Plans to reconstruct the evening last year when British girl Madeleine McCann disappeared from her family’s holiday apartment in the Ocean Club Resort, Praia da Luz, have been postponed until the end of this month as the McCanns’ friends, who dined with the couple on the night Madeleine vanished, have so far failed to confirm whether they will assist police detectives.

In the week that marked the fifth birthday of Madeleine McCann, it has emerged that a possible reconstruction of the night she went missing has now been scheduled for May 29th and 30th.

To ensure the investigation remains protected by secrecy laws, the Public Ministry has decided to prolong the deadline until which details were to remain undisclosed, from May 15th, for three more months, or until the reconstruction has been carried out.

PJ police investigators still defend new investigations must be carried out, meaning the investigation must continue to be protected by secrecy laws.

The McCanns have already made it known they are willing to return to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction, a position confirmed by their lawyer in Portugal, Rogério Alves.

According to sources though, the couple do not believe the reconstruction will take the investigation any closer to finding their daughter.

For the reconstruction, all of the witnesses (the McCanns and their friends with whom they dined at the on-site Tapas bar on the night Madeleine disappeared – May 3rd, 2007) are required to be present.

Should any witness refuse to participate, the reconstruction will not be carried out, police sources have indicated.

This procedure is believed to be particularly relevant to further explore a statement from witness and the McCanns friend Jane Turner, who claimed she saw a man carrying a child in the vicinity of the family’s apartment shortly after one of the group, Gerry McCann, had been to check on the children.

Edition: 959

_______________________

What I don't understand is that the parents don't think the reconstruction will help to find Madeleine.


If it was my daughter I would do anything to help the police. And not only stating that I trust my friends for 100%. So I would be the first one in Portugal.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

"a manipulative liar" was a very good way of describing Clarence Mitchell. He has a narcisstic belief in his own abilities which is not born out by reality, yes he certainly is undone, but narcissists really do struggle to see that. He and Gerry, in many way like peas out the same pod will just move on...to the next sad little plot (!)

I will have a look for Wizard's post x

ta ra said...

Honest Joe,

These pink trolls will be exposed by honest inquiry, I think. I could be wrong. I think they fear we are right. They lack the skill or the stamina for this determined inquiry, however long it takes, wherever it leads, 'whoever it hurts', as the PJ say.

Joe said...

Leigh3,

I posted earlier that I do not think that the Tapas 9 envisaged being under scrutiny for so long and if anything the heat has been turned up.

Unknown said...

Atardi

Thanks for the latest report re the reconstruction. I think I see their latest move to prevent this from taking place. The McCanns have now agreed to go because they realise that by refusing this would be very bad PR. But, of course, they realise the reconstruction cannot take place without the involvement of their friends, so, they get their friends to put a spanner in the works. Net result, the reconstruction will not take place but it will appear that Kate and Gerry wanted it to and cannot be blamed. Jane Tanner also gets to avoid something she really does not want to do!

ta ra said...

Atardi,

They can assist voluntarily or they will be compelled legally.

They are playing a defensive legal game. They know the law. They have expensive lawyers.

This case is about adequate proof for a court of law...in the minds of the McCanns, and their expensive supporters.

One problem: a court of criminal law is one place. It is not the only place to reveal truth.

They know that. That is why they employ PRs to influence the public.

By every measure of the public's opinion, the McCanns and their expensive manipulators are seen as untrustworthy; lying; manipulators.

They will get their day in court; not necessarily a criminal court, I think.

We'll see...time tells all.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

Do you think the Pink Trolls ever exhibited the ability to do more than behave like a little click of 13 year old happy slappers?

ta ra said...

Honest Joe,

Yup. They are a right bunch of smart ass know all, know nothing.

Just my opinion ;-)

atardi said...

Hi Viv,

I know you posted about CM's feelings for the grieving mother.(No, I'm not relating to his wife who had a miscarriage and had to deal with it by her own,not having her husband by her side, because he was too busy protecting people who were more important than his wife)

What do you think.

Is CM using the McCanns or otherwise?

ta ra said...

Viv,
Yes, how sad it is that educated fools and useful idiots behave like 'happy slappers', snug in their clique, believing they can outwit responsible adults.

Tsk. Such foolish behaviour. I can forgive 13 year olds. I must hold adults to account for such foolishness.

Madeleine is dead, the beloved sister of Sean and Amelie. Their parents are adults. Their parents can yet show the world a great virtue: humility. Make their true confession, make amends, and be a shining light for other fearful adults who fear admitting wrongdoing, and become stronger, wiser when they do.

Just a thought.

Unknown said...

Hiya Atardi

I think the most powerful motivating force behind Clarence Mitchell is himself. That certainly fits with being an egotist. He does like the limelight, this demonstrates a person, I believe, who puts on a front of being confident and powerful but underneath all that blustering he is lacking in self-esteem and needs to be in a position where he can be appreciated by people. He needs the McCanns perhaps to be dependent upon him, skinny, vulnerable Kate appeals to him, making him feel yet more masculine and powerful. That he will save her. If he could pull such a thing off, how clever he would be able to tell himself he is in his role. The master manipulator, he would be in big demand by business and others in a similar hopeless position for his single minded ability to re-train the public's mind so they do not see reality, they see what he wants them to see. On the self-esteeem point he is not gifted with good looks either.

I think he did want to leave his role in government because he had lost the bit of his former media role that he loved, being in the public eye. He knew the McCanns were guilty of course but saw this as a brilliant opportunity to make himself rich and famous, and show his complete mastery of being a professional spinner, all the while playing to his ego. I think in his own mind he sees himself being extremely rich on the back of the McCanns and in big demand, much like Paul Burrell became. This is a very attractive prospect to him. If he could take Kate along with him, that would be a huge bonus I believe. Whilst there are some similarities as between the behaviour of Clarence and Gerry, I think there are aspects of Gerry's behaviour he secretly abhors and would never dream of being violent to Kate or children.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

Unfortunately, I believe that parents who act in this way, just do not have the persona to admit their mistakes and want to make amends. Gerry, in particular, has a criminal personality style, where he needs to manipulate, lie and blame others. Serious criminal are renowned for their failure to accept responsibility. This is not just an accident IMO, it is far, far worse than that. It is a man who has systematically contrived to profit from the death of his own child. This suggests to me a seriously defective personality who will never behave as a person with an intact personality would behave. Hence we see so many comments, well why dont the McCanns just co-operate..that is not within Gerry's nature, doing what suits him best and his own aims is what he will always do, he is able to operate without the constraints of a conscience and so is Kate although she is under his control she could still exercise free and reasonable choice but chooses not to.

ta ra said...

Viv,
I fear your words are true. Fear assists no child.

Only tough minds can assist tender hearts.

I hope you saw Wizards post about Peter Hill.

We must have faith in honest inquiry, whatever route it takes, I think.

Patience. Time. Perseverance. Life's a team effort. We all do our part in our own way, perhaps.

Joe said...

Viv,

To be fair they cannot admit to any mistakes especially if the PJ pursue any legal action against them, otherwise if they did it could/would be used against them.

None of us really know what happened it s all conjecture on our part IMO. A solicitor once told me that nobody is going to put up their hands and admit they did it, even if they did. Even the guilty do not always get found out.

ta ra said...

Goodnight Viv.
Thanks for your blog, part of honest inquiry.

I hope you see Wizards post about Peter Hill. It's important.
xo
leigh

ta ra said...

Nite,, Honest Joe. Rest well.
leigh

Unknown said...

What staggering insight Mum21 has, we should all live in fear of being exposed. She even managed to deduce that the blog name of one of our posters was after the famous singer with an indentical name, how astute was that, then!

What I find simply extraordinary is Mum 21s final claim..she did tell the police about Madeleine being left alone but they did not include this in an official statement -- WHAT?? Not only does this reinforce the view the PJ were not guilty of any leaks (which is a very odd stance for a racist to take), it even suggests that having admitted serious child neglect that would have had very obvious relevance to the police enquiry, the police would not even bother to record this is a witness statement! How on earth would this stupid woman know anyway?? When the PJ were grilling Kate and Gerry until 3 am just one week after Madeleine's disappearance is it possible their neglect of their children did not feature in those discussions and the implications one could draw about parents who would behave in this way..given they subsequently added "oh and we left the door open too". If I had been in charge, they would have been remanded in custody at that point!


I am not sure what their heads are stuffed with but there is very little of the traditional grey matter, that's for sure!
Viv x


Exposing Liars....let's add Mariana
by Mum21 on Thu May 15, 2008 9:05 pm

Mariana Faithful (A name I suspect taken from the well known British singer)...new to the Vile blog (or so she says). But within a few days she has virtually taken it over. In fact she seems to know an awful lot about both anti posters and us pro's, for a newcomer.
Her profile has her down as coming from Australia....if correct then she never sleeps.
In this last week I have caught her out stating many lies, below is just one of them.

mariana said...
Hi Ecolab/All

I thank you for the video link.
I had not watched the ITV documentary.
It is shocking indeed.
They did not tell the police about Madeleine complaining.
This info was given to their PI agency.

Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:27:00 o'clock BST

Where the hell did she get the false information that Kate McCann did not tell the police about Madeleine saying she had cried the night before. She did tell the PJ...that has been admitted. What the PJ said was they did not leak it, and it was not part of Kate's official statement.
Given time I think this evil woman will outdo Viv, Clawd, Ana, Zodiac, notdoc, Ecolab and many more. I do not include Alsabella at the moment....for reasons of my own.
Mum21

Unknown said...

Hiya Joe

What I think Leigh is referring to is looking at this from a moral and religious standpoint. You cannot expect either the lord or anyone else for that matter, to forgive or understand you, if you are not prepared to seek atonement for sinning against your own little children.

It is true that admitting wrongful behaviour can add to a police case against you. However, acting in an overly defensive manner in any legal proceedings can make the whole case against you far worse than if you had admitted what you did in the first place and not committed further criminal offences in seeking to defend yourself. In UK law, those who immediately admit to the police what they did can gain anything up to 50% off the prison sentence they receive because such behaviour indicates you are showing remorse and taking responsibility for what you did wrong. Those who actually have to be proved guilty in a court of law by entering a not guilty plea get the full sentence. This is what will happen to Kate and Gerry McCann, most particularly because their wicked, self-serving behaviour denied their own little girl the right to a decent burial. Destroying her little body would have yielded evidence against them, they demonstrated utter contempt for her and sickening self-love.

Ecolab said...

Years ago a a young student, I lived in a humble appartment in the inner Copenhagen. One day there was this terrible noise outside my door 2 floor.
I opend to see what it was? I never forget the sight!

My landlord was fighting a rat at the staircase. He had driven it all the way up the stairs with a spade! Now he had the rat captured in the corner. You know what the rat in the corner did?
It raised at the hind legs like a human. Fighting with the forelegs like arms, making a snarl, hiss, spit,a wheeze. What ever you call it.
It was terrible and its eyes could kill.
When it started to jump, I closed my door. At the same moment I heard the slam - chop, chop.


Like the rat - so is the human! When you are captured in the corner with no place to run, you fight with what you have.
Just like Pinky. When the McCanns go down, Pinky goes down with them.He knows, and that`s why he is so determined in everything he says. Especially determined into trying to turn lies into truth! A Conman

Unknown said...

Hi Ecolab

That was a very good analogy, rats back into a corner, but still they fight, what is the alternative if they do not..Gerry said he was fighting an aggressive and high risk strategy and IMO this is precisely what he meant. If they win, they walk away from the crime and the prison sentence, and get lots of money. If they lose they get an ever bigger prison sentence than if they just admitted it in the first place and have to pay the money back, lose everything they have, jobs, twins, home. To someone like Gerry there was only one way they could go, the way of the rat!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Who is the winner, Kate or Karen (shannon's mum)?

NO doubt under intense police interrogation, Karen just admitted she tried to make money out of her own daughter just like the McCanns. She got remanded in custody, she is facing up to what she did and immediately starting to pay the price. Sooner rather than later, she will have put it all behind her. Of course she did not kill her own child. What price is Kate McCann paying and has she really put herself in a better position? What of her mental health, would the road that Karen has had to take have been a better road for Kate McCann, so that she could start to grieve and feel remorse?

Ecolab said...

Viv

Karen is the winner - she is comming under the wings of the social wellfare and a suspended sentence for fraud.Her future is secured!

Kate is a winner too - all her dreams had come trough. She is a celebrity with new earstikkers for every day and highlights in her "paté de foie gras" coloured hair.

A win - win situation!

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