Hi All What a shocking and sad case of six children enduring unimaginable suffering, costing little Khyra her life, the police just too late to save her. From reading this story it seems that everything was OK until last December when something must have happened in the mother's life and she started to severely neglect her children. Both the mother and step-father are remanded in custody on neglect charges but clearly further charges may follow in relation to the death of Khyra. It highlights again that sometimes family circumstances change for the worse and children start to suffer terribly because of it. It is very difficult to imagine how the children could have suffered like this for about five months without either school or neighbours feeling there were concerns that should have been raised earlier. Tragically it highlights that even in this modern day and age children can be suffering the most terrible ill-treatment but no one comes to their aid or rescue. I read earlier Hope suggesting that perhaps the time has come for all children under about twelve years to be very regularly checked by authorities to make sure they are safe and well. No doubt this would be expensive, but surely our little children are worth it, if it prevents any more children from suffering such a terrible fate. Even for those who have survived, they can be fed and given proper medical care but the terrible blight on their childhood will no doubt always be with them. Statistics confirm that pre-school children are at even greater risk and they do not even have the benefit of the school keeping an eye on their welfare, much greater focus should be placed on careful monitoring. No doubt this mum had very young children too. It is also often the case that parents with a large number of children just give up trying to properly care for them, again, birth control, education, monitoring, encouraging neighbours to speak out at an early stage, in confidence and without fear of reproach are needed to prevent further tragedies like this. When are we in the UK, finally going to learn the lessons. How many more children have to suffer? Why dont we have public service ads?
Viv x
Couple charged after daughter, 7, starves to death and five brothers and sisters are forced to eat bread left for birds
By Daily Mail ReporterLast updated at 7:51 PM on 21st May 2008
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A seven-year-old girl has died of starvation after police found her and five other children in an emaciated state and living in squalor.
Khyra Ishaq died soon after she and her siblings, three boys and two girls, were rescued from their home and taken to hospital.
Police had been tipped off to their condition by neighbours who spotted them eating bread that had been left out for the birds.
Tragic: Khyra, 7, starved to death
A man and a woman, believed to be their mother and stepfather, appeared in court today charged with neglect and were remanded in custody.
Police swooped on the house in the Handsworth area of Birmingham on Saturday to find the severely ill girl in squalid conditions.
She was taken to hospital but pronounced dead shortly afterwards.
The five other children, who were lying on mattresses, were suffering from starvation and were also taken to Birmingham Children's Hospital.
A hospital spokeswoman refused to comment today, saying: "We cannot comment because of the criminal investigation."
A neighbour who lived near the family described seeing children at the home grabbing bread which had been thrown out for birds.
Post-mortem tests to confirm the cause of death are due to take place.
A statement by West Midlands Police said inquiries into the girl's death were continuing.
"Her cause of death has not been confirmed at this stage," it added.
A Birmingham City Council spokesperson said: "We are deeply saddened by the death of this child and our sympathies go to the child's family and friends at this difficult time.
"This death is now the subject of a police inquiry and Birmingham City Council are fully supporting their investigation."
The door and ground floor windows of the house at the centre of the inquiry in Leyton Road were covered with metal shutters today.
Neighbours claimed the children's mother had recently converted to Islam and that she had split up from her children's father several years ago.
Starving: Khyra Ishaq, 7, was rescued by police from this terrace in Birmingham but died of starvation shortly afterwards
Lilian Costello said she had known her well and used to speak to her almost every day until December but had not seen the children for months.
She said: "I saw her on Christmas Eve and I wished her a Merry Christmas but she said she didn't celebrate it, she celebrated Eid.
"I didn't see her for another four months after that and when I saw her again at the beginning of May, she said she still lived up the road.
"I asked how the children were and she said they were alright. She seemed very devoted to the children and I am very surprised.
"She used to let the children come out to play with the other children and she always stood at the front of the house watching them.
"There were three boys and three girls and they were a nice bunch of kids, very well-mannered. It's just so sad knowing that one of them has died."
Other residents in the street were visibly shocked when told of the charges which have been brought against their former neighbours.
Sales worker Amarjit Ram said: "I am just shocked to be honest - the mother looked fine to me.
"I would see them in the street and I think they had lived there for a couple of years."
One neighbour, who did not wish to be named, added: "We would never expect something like this. We knew they were going through some trouble about a year ago.
"Before that we used to see the children and they looked happy and normal, but after that we didn't see them.
"They seemed like normal, happy kids, but then they disappeared. The house wasn't very well kept. It's not the cleanest of places. We only live a few doors down. It's shocking."
He said police had been outside the house for up to four days after the raid on Saturday and described an ambulance arriving in the middle of the night.
Other neighbours told ITV that three of the children were seen in recent months looking "extremely thin".
All six children were taken to Birmingham Children's Hospital, above. A man and a woman have been arrested and remanded in custody.
Mohammed Khalil, who lived nearby, said he used to see some of the children in their uniforms on their way to the nearby Grove School but that he had not seen them for months.
"The children's father, he didn't live there. He was living there but then he moved out," he said. "I think there was another man living there. I saw him a couple of times."
Parents collecting children from the primary school tonight were handed a letter informing them of Khyra's death.
Signed by the school's headteacher, Pamela Matty, it read: "Dear Parents, We have been informed by the police that a child in Handsworth has died.
"As a mark of respect for the family and the community, we are postponing tonight's music concert to a future date."
Police wearing protective forensic suits had been seen removing furniture and carpets from the house over the weekend.
By Daily Mail ReporterLast updated at 7:51 PM on 21st May 2008
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A seven-year-old girl has died of starvation after police found her and five other children in an emaciated state and living in squalor.
Khyra Ishaq died soon after she and her siblings, three boys and two girls, were rescued from their home and taken to hospital.
Police had been tipped off to their condition by neighbours who spotted them eating bread that had been left out for the birds.
Tragic: Khyra, 7, starved to death
A man and a woman, believed to be their mother and stepfather, appeared in court today charged with neglect and were remanded in custody.
Police swooped on the house in the Handsworth area of Birmingham on Saturday to find the severely ill girl in squalid conditions.
She was taken to hospital but pronounced dead shortly afterwards.
The five other children, who were lying on mattresses, were suffering from starvation and were also taken to Birmingham Children's Hospital.
A hospital spokeswoman refused to comment today, saying: "We cannot comment because of the criminal investigation."
A neighbour who lived near the family described seeing children at the home grabbing bread which had been thrown out for birds.
Post-mortem tests to confirm the cause of death are due to take place.
A statement by West Midlands Police said inquiries into the girl's death were continuing.
"Her cause of death has not been confirmed at this stage," it added.
A Birmingham City Council spokesperson said: "We are deeply saddened by the death of this child and our sympathies go to the child's family and friends at this difficult time.
"This death is now the subject of a police inquiry and Birmingham City Council are fully supporting their investigation."
The door and ground floor windows of the house at the centre of the inquiry in Leyton Road were covered with metal shutters today.
Neighbours claimed the children's mother had recently converted to Islam and that she had split up from her children's father several years ago.
Starving: Khyra Ishaq, 7, was rescued by police from this terrace in Birmingham but died of starvation shortly afterwards
Lilian Costello said she had known her well and used to speak to her almost every day until December but had not seen the children for months.
She said: "I saw her on Christmas Eve and I wished her a Merry Christmas but she said she didn't celebrate it, she celebrated Eid.
"I didn't see her for another four months after that and when I saw her again at the beginning of May, she said she still lived up the road.
"I asked how the children were and she said they were alright. She seemed very devoted to the children and I am very surprised.
"She used to let the children come out to play with the other children and she always stood at the front of the house watching them.
"There were three boys and three girls and they were a nice bunch of kids, very well-mannered. It's just so sad knowing that one of them has died."
Other residents in the street were visibly shocked when told of the charges which have been brought against their former neighbours.
Sales worker Amarjit Ram said: "I am just shocked to be honest - the mother looked fine to me.
"I would see them in the street and I think they had lived there for a couple of years."
One neighbour, who did not wish to be named, added: "We would never expect something like this. We knew they were going through some trouble about a year ago.
"Before that we used to see the children and they looked happy and normal, but after that we didn't see them.
"They seemed like normal, happy kids, but then they disappeared. The house wasn't very well kept. It's not the cleanest of places. We only live a few doors down. It's shocking."
He said police had been outside the house for up to four days after the raid on Saturday and described an ambulance arriving in the middle of the night.
Other neighbours told ITV that three of the children were seen in recent months looking "extremely thin".
All six children were taken to Birmingham Children's Hospital, above. A man and a woman have been arrested and remanded in custody.
Mohammed Khalil, who lived nearby, said he used to see some of the children in their uniforms on their way to the nearby Grove School but that he had not seen them for months.
"The children's father, he didn't live there. He was living there but then he moved out," he said. "I think there was another man living there. I saw him a couple of times."
Parents collecting children from the primary school tonight were handed a letter informing them of Khyra's death.
Signed by the school's headteacher, Pamela Matty, it read: "Dear Parents, We have been informed by the police that a child in Handsworth has died.
"As a mark of respect for the family and the community, we are postponing tonight's music concert to a future date."
Police wearing protective forensic suits had been seen removing furniture and carpets from the house over the weekend.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 565 of 565Well done, Viv. I hope you go out and celebrate. If you can afford it, that is. If you can't, you can always try setting up a fund...
You Know Cláudia, I am still finishing my dentist degree, which now is in hold because of all may work, so you can understand why I do not know any German! I know what you meant about Latin and German.:)
Hiya Doc
I just been on another blog and found this from Rosie, and I like the way she is starting to put a little kiss after her posts just like I do, cuz that makes me feel even more important still. She does seem to be displaying empathy to me living in a wooden shed on the one hand, but on the other maybe she is discriminating against me. I mean people in the UK with big, big doses of psychosis or other serious mental health problems get a great wack of disability benefits from tax payers like me but I dont discriminate against her because she gets a nice council flat and a community pscyhiatric nurse and I have to live in a shed and do not have a nurse to talk to do I?
~Who the ....is she to say living in my shed is not normal anyways?
Oh, x
Rosiepops said...
Hi ST
Two points of mine for what they are worth.
1) Vile knew she was going to ban Gina, so had to have another poster to take Gina's place....Enter 'Ellie'. It makes no difference to Vile that she talks to herself.
(Remember you are not dealing with a person living within the realms of normality with Vile)
2) Haven't you figured out what Dope is doing on here?
He has turned this into the Dope blog, mosts posts are made by him or concerning about him..Look even I am doing it!
Personally, unless he really annoys me, I intend to just ignore him from now on. (Not that he does annoy me, he would have to be significant for that and well, he just isn't!)
Rosie x
Claudia you know that is very spooky because I heard on Friday someone has to set up a fund, just for me, how cool is that?
Claudia, it's Norwegian for "Are you still coming for coffee in the morning? If you are, take the second turning right off Belgrade's main drag; second right again; then after 21.4 km you will reach Tarifa. At the 3rd stop street turn left, that's Beja Town Centre Plaza. You'll see me sitting there. I'm the guy cleaning the mop."
Doc, lololololol
You know, I can take the bus directly to tarifas and be there in 10 minutes!
Viv, really? Please, do tell! :-)
Ana, I'm glad you understand me! :-)
Hey Doc
Did you get hired by Team McCann to do some cleaning for them, you know walls, floors, curtains and all that.. in their holiday flat. I bet that topped your earnings up a bit, come on admit it! Did you pass the vocational part of your cleaning course because of all this extra experience you got? Maybe Kate could give you some cramming to pass the academic part of your course now she is no longer a doctor, I think she has excelled on theory of cleaning.
Hiya darling
details of my fund will have to go in an email, you know how you get begging letters!
Viv x
Viv have you noticed how one of the 'Anon' posters on the 'other' other blog has recently learned the art of using HTML tags to provide links and to post in italic and bold script? So proud of her achievments too. Said she never posts as Anon, LOL!
I have to do the sliding under the cover thing very soon, but as I mentioned thick, here is something I picked up on:
Blogger Sass said...
Let's hope this is Madeleine's only birthday without her mum and dad.
12 May 2008 20:25
Blogger Tinkerbell43 said...
Amen to that Sass.
12 May 2008 20:28
Ahem. How dof is that?
Hiya Viv,
Can I send my contribution in a brown envelope directly to your home?
Ok, darling, I'm waiting for the e-mail, then!
Sleep well, everybody. My bed is calling me! :-)
Beijinhos!
Beijinhos Cláudia, dorme bem! :)
Hiya Doc
Yes indeed Troll Rosie sits there all by herself, talking to herself and saying that is what I am doing but I was not even posting. I think that is called projection:-)
Still she does brag about all her computer skills which obviously she hones and needs to be a troll, what an accolade. I still have not picked up how to do tags but I was really good at it, at school..not that there were any computers around of course!
x
Hiya Ana
I have asked my spokesman and here I make the appeal personally to yes please, please, keep sending brown envelopes stuffed with cash to my home address (my shed) because I need all that money to search for something I deliberately lost but now I genuinely forgot where I put it.
Viv,
I think you know where you put it...
I have not read back all this thread. Did we get confirmation as to whether the report in 24 Horas is correct McCanns will be charged with neglect/disposal of body. I am always a bit sus of this paper as I do feel Clarence plants in there. Is he preparing us?
Viv
I'm off to dreamland now. The cleaning job done at 5a was an amateurish one, the worst (yes to the lurker whose screen name starts with R, it's WORST not WORSE) ever performed. This lot would not have lasted a week in the arduous course I had to undertake. Couldn't even clean their (yes onlooker, it's THEIR) own 'work' clothes properly. The startling evidence revealed by those remarkable dogs is still waiting to bite them on the bum.
Ah but Ana, even educated people (I am a little overeducated given my former roles as Senior photocopier and now assistant to a legal secretary) find that if they live a lie for long enough, they start to believe it themselves and feel very affronted when people call them a liar. Then they do need lots of money.
Not confirmation yet, at least an official confirmation but, this news appears on a TV Channel, Sic channel!So...
They are not coming Viv, I am almost sure!
Hiya Doc, Well I am sorry that was rather rude of me to suggest that you would have done such an amateurish cleaning job on 5a and the clothing too. It was very patronising of me to so underestimate your extensive skills in that regard. You would think that as doctors they may have thought of the chemistry of it all..
Sometimes I think Lurkiopops prefers bite them on the arse. Waves to you Lurkio, do you have a prediliction for arses?
I will send you all the money I can and you keep lying, you will earn a lot of money! The better you lie the better you earn!
Indeed you are an overeducated lady, no doubts about that!
Viv
I think he does.
Nite x
Hiya Ana
If they are refusing to go, that is great news, albeit they do it in a roundabout way via their "friends". The PJ well and truly set them up!
It certainly has the ring of truth to me that they cannot prove murder or manslaughter, but can prove Madeleine died, gross negligence and they disposed of the body. That also would surely set them up for serious charges of perverting the course of justice and fraud. The Portuguese Judge, I think would feel he can tend to forget where he put the key!
I meant:The better you ly the better you earn!
You know Ana, I found in the earlier stages of my campaign my lies were just flipping brilliant and people really believed me and the cash was rolling in. Now, I did something wrong,a brown envelope is so rare.. I think I over-exposed myself in the media and some of my contacts and colleagues were just crap and really let me down. That is very annoying when I think of the wads of cash I gave them to help in my campaign.
Yes Viv and they know all that, they knew all that since the day they were interrogated at Portimão and become arguidos!
They knew they were in problems and what was the first thing they have done after that? Apart the run away, they contracted an extraditions expert. This speaks volumes...
That Justine McGuinness seriously ripped me off, all that money she had out of my fund and then the minute things got tough and she needed to start really earning her cash, she just cleared off with my cash that I scammed, now just dare she?
Never trust a NotMc Viv.
I remember that you even gave money to people who you thought could help you lying even better. Some of them helped you but others didn’t accept the charity money, what a bastards they were!
Hiya Ana
This was predictable behaviour, run like mad from someone who is causing a serious threat to your liberty and then get in touch with someone who can try and help you feel safe and stay well away from those big bad PJs. The thing is I don't think Mr Caplan, for all his skills can save them from the PJ. In fact I am sure he cannot but they wasted a lot of money just trying to see what they could do, it was not a problem really though the money, it was always someone else's.
Got to go now Hun but nice talking to you.
Waves to Supermadpopsicle and do mind someone does not bite your arse, just pop off and have some nice dreams and visions about lovely Portuguese Policemen and Justice for little Madeleine McCannx Nite Nite sweetheart, just hang on in there, go to that place in your head and try not to shed any real tears x
When the boat is sinking, the rats are the first to leave it-that McGuiness women, how could she?
But you were lucky, you earn a Clarrie PinkClown!
Bye dear Viv, I am off too!
Beijinhos e dorme bem.:)
Ana you know I got that M3 to pay out thousands to witnesses, 60 of them, and the bastards just went and told the police the truth, yet they still had my money, I feel really let down, I got a feeling they will make me do time, big time x
Nite Nite x
Ana, Doc, Claudia
Beijinhos e ambracos
Dorme Bem
com amor
Viv xxxxxxxxxx
(the real one, not my alter ego, Gerry McCann)
Thank you to those people who have welcomed me, also to Ratonthebeam for deleting my personal details have just spent about 2 hours giving my thoughts about the child nelectors and lost it somehow too tired to post anymore will catch up with you on Sunday pm ttfn
One thing to say this Sunday morning...
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE WILL COME
I am feeling confident of that today.
Morning All,
So what's in the news this Sunday morning, then?
Well, if you go to this Sky News page:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1317085,00.html
you will see that the McCanns are endorsing an idea to find missing children via social networking sites. On the right hand side of the page there's also a set of pictures showing Madeleine's face projected onto Marble Arch in honour of National Missing Children's Day. Because she is the only missing child in the world, as we know.
Overkill, overkill, overkill...this just riles people, it doesn't convince us that she IS missing, it merely convinces us that they are desperate to bash home with a sledgehammer the fact they want us to BELIEVE she is missing.
I'm getting more and more angry about this hijacking of events like this. How must other parents of missing children be feeling??
Grrrrrr.
LGC,
Good morning.They will do anything to save their scrawny necks.
Do they really care about other missing children when they could'nt take care of their own,they are downright hypocrites.
Good morning, Dolores,
No, they don't care about anyone else - including Madeleine and the twins, it would seem - but themselves.
And why have the people in charge of the Missing Children's Day agreed to showcase only Madeleine???
What's the blogging symbol for steam coming out of the ears? :)
Good morning everyone
LGC, I couldn't agree more, I was sickened to see the report on Sky, so much for them wanting to stay out of the limelight.
Have you seen Spudgun's new video it is worth a watch, very moving.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRvgK6M2_7Q&feature=related
LGC,
I am surprised and disgusted that any missing children helpline would want to associate with 2 prime suspects in the disappearence of their child.
Steam @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Hello Di,
Yes, thanks, I have seen that video. Doesn't seem to stop them continuing to bash into our heads their version of events, does it?
I think the more this campaign continues, the more it will have the opposite effect from what they desire.
It's sad but inevitable, I think, that one day another child will go missing in astonishing circumstances and comparisons will be made between that case and this.
They can't continue with this unrelenting media hijacking forever, however much they think they can.
Dolores,
Me too.
And thanks for the steam!!!
:)
Good morning all
have a nice sunday.here the weather is hesitant between sun and rain.
Any real news about mccn case?
Special hello to Ana & Claudia
CAn you mange to take a coffee together maybe in Coimbra?
LGC,
Don't forget all these months not one person in authority has challenged their behaviour,that's why they keep getting away with it.
It's about time someone told them to shut up.
*manage, sorry
Dolores,
And it's also the fact that they've got people like the organizers of these events acceeding to their demands.
Is it that they just think having the McCanns involved will raise the vital publicity level of the event and that's the only important thing?
It's not on, I feel.
Dolores
but it seems they continue having some hight protection. I can't believe how it can happen... protect people in such a serious case as a little child desapearance probably death. Shame on them who protect the parents, certainly guilty of propiciate everything happen
Mandarin
The someone protecting them could be the 10th person at the tapas bar that night who could be so wealthy,and high profiled, and is buying their silence.
Just a thought.IMO
mandarinn,
I'm jealous:-((
Are you forgetting me?
Have aice sunfat all.
I'm off now, iam going usee "Cirque du soleil" after lunch.
see you later
Good morning everyone!
Nice to be here.
In fact Maddie is the only child missing in England.. sad all this showoff.
Nancy, Atardi,
Thanks.
MARGAAAA how nice to see you bj
I didn'r forget you but i didon t see you since a long time how are u doing?
I've just read that the organisation Enfants Kidnappes is turning against the Mc Canns and Mitchell.
There is a translation on the 3 As.
Even they are fed up of all this charade.
I'm off now
I will be here later
Mandarinn,
too many things to do. Two more weeks and the school year is over at my school as it is a secondary one and exams begin in middle June.
But I have been reading you all.
Bj
mandarinn,
I have posted sth to PR.
I'm concerned about him.
Do you know what is happening?
Dolores, LGC,
don't know how they have the courage to appear in front of the cameras ... don't they know by now that people are not buying their lie anymore? It beggars belief their tuppance..
You can't miss this!
P:S: Read the comment till the end. The article is so boring I almost fell asleep. I', gld I didn't! :-)
Marga,
They have no choice now but to try and brazen it out, whatever people think.
But it's really noticeable that they don't jump up and down about being arguidos, do they?
If I was wrongly accused, I would be displaying my anger every time I spoke to the press, saying I didn't do anything, look for my child, for God's sake!!!
Once again, something they don't do incriminates them...
cláudia:
YOU made my day *LoooooL*
The most holarius Rosiepuppup blogcomments I have ever read with the contributors, JANEGT-tulip- chinadoll-archer-Mum21-SeaWitch and elaine.
Great and so funny, thanks cláudia for spotting that. *love ya* ;-))
When poverty comes in at the door, love flies out the window!!!
Claudia,
???
littlegreycell:
Scroll down and read the comments to the nonsence "main artickle" on hausprizes!!!
My stomac hurt from laugher. I think I must lay down!
Hi Viv/all
I have been asked by Ironside to post these links on here, it is a link to a Sapnish blog and appartment 5a which proves without doubt that it was a wooden floor in the apaprtment, where the blood was allegedly found underneath a wood tile, there was a lot of conjecture on the DE as to whether this floor was tiled and Alsabella said it was wood floor tiles, she has been proven to be correct.....Blog: http://kalysis.blogspot.com/
Foro: http://tinyurl.com/56rsoe
Lizzy
LGC, read the comments till the end. Only the last part matters. I'll PYSL!
Ecolab, I can't take the credit for it. Some anon put the link on my blog. I would never think about researching them. But I'm gld someone did!!! lololol
Ecolab -
I wonder why they've changed the subject from the McCanns to Mortgage and house problems!! Have they run out of things to come up with!! Maybe they realise that the game will soon be up and they soon won't have anything to blog about!
Has the Sassy site closed down now by the way?
Still not completely with you...I notice Rosiepops has taken umbrage with them all.
Sorry, guys, obviously not firing on all cylinders this morning...
:(
Nancy, to be honest the topic McCanns and the topic mortgage have a lot in common! ;-)
I don't think it's closed down. I think it's just at death's door. :-)
LGC, to make a long story short, the snakes have turned against each other. Which is quite common when there are too many snakes in a not big enough pit.
LGC -
Good point - if they were sure they were innocent why are they not doing all they can to get rid of the arguido status instead of prancing around the world trying to make money from the disappearance of Madeleine.
As for the floor cleaning carried out by the McCanns to get rid of all DNA, why would they do this if they thought the DNA of their supposed abductor could still have been around - surely they would have wanted that picked up pretty quickly! That proves to me they were cleaning to cover up their own mess!
Hello All
Just going to read back from the few posts I have just read it looks intresting xxxx
Hi Hope!
I'm off to get the Sunday papers...see you later.
X
After seeing those comments at Rosiepupos blogs, I think, that far, far more than those bloggers are very busy at the handwash - basin.
Love is really flying out the window!
Hi
This is copied from web slueths.... 25.05.2008
British police officer accuses the McCanns of having an agreement to prevent the reconstruction
According to a senior member of the Enderby police force in Leicestershire, “Kate and Gerry McCann have established an agreement with their seven friends aimed at preventing the reconstruction requested by the Portuguese authorities”.
“They know that this reconstruction will not take place if the group is not complete”, confirmed the officer, adding, “it is evident that Kate and Gerry cannot directly and publicly refuse to participate, with the risk of seeing the public opinion in the UK turn against them”.
“That is why it is the friends who have made it known that they will not participate”, stated the British officer who had accompanied the investigations in Portugal.
Almost at the same moment that the officer made his accusations, Kate and Gerry McCann made it known today, via their spokesman, that they would be prepared to comply with a notification from the Portuguese authorities with the aim of participating in the reconstruction, but their friends continue to contest the request, doubting its usefulness.
Emphasising the fact that Kate and Gerry McCann are still under arguido status, Clarence Mitchell confirmed, in statements made to the Lusa Portuguese agency that “if their presence is demanded, they will go, they have to go”.
The PJ claims to carry out a reconstruction of the movements that the parents and their friends, who were present at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance, claimed to have made.
Initially, the PJ’s suggestion had been transmitted via the couple’s lawyers, only to end up as individual summons because the validity of the request requires the presence of the complete group, which seems increasingly improbable.
“Everything depends on the friends, who were invited to go but, as they are not arguidos, they have the right to question the usefulness of the reconstruction and whether it will help to find Madeleine – and their reply at the moment appears to be negative”, explained Clarence Mitchell.
The seven friends - Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien, Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, David and Fiona Payne, and the latter’s mother, Diane Webster – have been interrogated as witnesses in Portugal and in the UK, confirming their wish to help the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine, but today they appear to have imposed conditions upon their return from Praia da Luz.
According to Clarence Mitchell, given the proximity of the second date proposed by the Portuguese authorities and the lack of response to the group’s demands, “it is highly improbable that the reconstruction can take place”.
The main reason cited by the seven Britons to doubt the initiative of the Portuguese authorities would be, according to Clarence Mitchell, linked to the fact that “the police last year rejected a proposal from the BBC Crimewatch programme” in order to carry out a reconstruction.
An explanation that is not likely to convince the Portuguese and British investigators because this type of procedure, within the framework of a programme such as Crimewatch, does not have the same objective. If in the UK, this procedure is used to investigate the witness reports, in Portugal the recourse to this kind of procedure, as happens in the majority of European countries, serves to consolidate – or not – an inquiry that is close to conclusion.
Lizzy
What the PJ has done, I think in millitairy langue it, is called a: Pincer Movement
The Tapas 9/10 cant get out of the pinch`. GREAT! . . . and the Rosiesnoppops are turning against each other . . MORE GREAT
*Justice for Maddie*
Ecolab, Hi
What a great expression. My Father would have said something similar, the PJ now have them in a Full Nelson . . . which is a wrestling term.
Hi Nancy
I do`nt know anything of Sassy`s page.
I very rare indeed read the backscratcher. It seem as everybody has its own blog. Maybee they hope to get an invitation to meet the McCanns and have their photo in the papers along the Mccanns?
I`m sure they ran out of things to come up with. I expect the next issue will be about their problems in the launry or watering -problems with the flowers in their little window box!
*Justice for Maddie and each and every Missing Child in the World*
aid...
I was wondering why Rosiepops et al closed up shop. Claudia's link may suggest the reason, dissension in the ranks and some major falling out. Its a pity really as the site they are on now is very poor and only a few posters who appear to be out of their depth.
The PG will have to decide what to do next IMO. The probability that all the Tapas will not attend a reconstruction did not even make the UK press or TV. We will see if
they turn up or not. There may be things going on behind the scenes to try and resolve this case?
Joe
After the 29th, there will be nothing to stop the press. For the time being they still have a few days grace.
Hi, Joe. The shop is not closed. It's just lonely! :-)
Stella,
I hope that you are right. I have never been happy at their lack of co-operation and their PR machine. Its not what normal people do in the face of tragedy. t least it would be good to see the PJ grab the bull by the horns and deal with it face to face.
Claudia,
I never thought that lot would fall out as they were united in their quest for the truth and love of the McCanns. Too bad. I have noticed doubts creeping into the posts of those left.
Joe
The time for them to have shown co-operation was a very long time ago. The PJ knew this had turned into a tug-of-war game since September, with both sides pulling back very hard. A clever side uses unforseen things to their advantage. A bit like getting the sun in your opponents eyes, waiting for it to rain to make things slippery. Or, waiting for them to go down a road to which there is no return?
Claudia
When people suddenly find out something that they never knew before, especially when it is really bad, they go into shock. I bet that lot are all being treated for shock :-> ha ha
Joe, falling out was inevitable. Like I said, too many snakes in a too small pit. Sooner or later, it would have happened. And there were signs before. The egos caused it. I just never thought they had the guts to do it so openly. But it explains why so many of them left. I just assumed they were too ashamed to keep defending what cannot be defended by any decent person.
Stella, lololololol
Maybe some of them found out the McCanns are neglecters and are still in shock! ;-)
Hello everyone
Hi Stella
If their friends don't go they can be made arguidos.
After this they can be invited again and if they don't show up they can all be charged with obstruction.
Claudida
Well that was strange (thank you for sharing) I notice they have now closed it down???
I guess the thing is with any blog there is only so much you can talk about Madeleine the PJ or anything else connected to this terrible case and they set something up so they could chat about something else.
Actually the Mortgage stuff was intresting and they did not seem to be doing any harm so lord knows what the problem was...
I never thought I would have sympathy for any of those posters it is not nice to be attacked especialy on line when people dont know you at all.
Maybe they will set themselves up again so they can get together in peace I dont want to loose contact with people here so I do hope they get a chance to blog...
How very odd world weired web indeed...
See you all later xxx
It amazes me though having done numerous interviews just before the anniversary of Madeline's disappearance they then considered that was that, live our lives as normal as possible. Yes, but no, not until the PJ are satisfied that they had nothing to do with the disappearance, some thing they appear to forget. On a most simplistic level for all to note is that the PJ ARE NOT satisfied that they were not involved and that is the crux of the matter.
Claudia
Shock affects people in different ways, some of them are in so much shock they are at the hospital getting treatment. Let's hope for them it's not DocMac's one....
Joe
The can never have normal lives again. If they did not understand this simple fsct, they are all imbeciles.
Mariana
Can the friends be made Arguido in the post, or does someone have to come here to GET them..?
Hope, I don't think it's closed down. I know what you mean but I'm not as nice as you are. I have absolutely no simpathy for anyone who has ever defended convicted child killers. In fact, I think anyone who defends child killing scum, are scum themselves. Having said that, I don't give a damn about what happens to any of them. I just ish they or their families are never victims of the sort of criminals they defend.
Stella, that would be fun to watch! :-) And in that case, I would glady be a devoted nurse.. :-)
Stella
The friends can become arguidos because they are witnesses who refuse to aid the police with their work.
I do not think the PJ have to go all the way to the UK to do so.
I've just had a thought ! ! !
If the Serious Fraud Squad has just stepped in with 4 days to go, the paid keyboard monkeys are not going to get paid at the end of week are they?. Is this why, they are all out looking for new jobs :-> ha ha
Mariana
That is good news.
Must dash, dinner is ready...
Lizzy -
Reading your earlier post with the links from Ironside. Thanks for those.
It could very well be that it was a wood floor because the flat is owned by a Mrs McAnn, and many people in the UK now put down wood flooring.
I still say that if the McCanns had thought a predator had been in the room they wouldn't have cleaned the flat from top to bottom and get rid of his DNA would they? That wouldn't make any sense at all if they wanted the Police to find him!
It's obvious that they cleaned the place from top to bottom because they were worried what evidence of Madeleine's disappearance being due to them would be revealed.
It stands to reason!!
Will they or won't they?
Everything it seems is still hanging in mid-air, waiting for the VIP's to make up their minds!
If the Tapas 9 don't agree to a reconstruction on the 29th, it could well be the best thing to happen because the PJ's are not going to take that lying down and will come up with something to force these child neglecters back to PdeL!
I suppose the newspapers will all be vying with each other to get the news of the reconstruction on their front pages if they do decide to go back. There will be no holding them once they are all out of the way for a while.
I bet CM is hoping they will go to PdL so he can have a nice few days in the sun at someone else's expense!
Off for a walk now folks -
Hopefully see you all later on - but if not it will be tomorrow!
TFFN!
Rosiepoophead is so desperate now that she even paid me a visit on my blog. Of course I didn't allow her filth to be published there, but I almost felt sorry for her. Not only do her enemies delete her, but now her own(ex) friends delete her also. How sad. If she didn't defend convicted child killers, I might even feel sorry for her. Tough!
Claudia -
I didn't know you had your own blog - what is the website address as I'd like to have a look in one day!
Thanks
Nancy x
Hey, Nancy. my blog is the Proud of the PJ one! :-) Just something I needed to know!
http://proud-of-the-pj.blogspot.com/
Sorry, I meant 'Just something I needed to DO!' :-) Translating and posting at the same time... :-)
The McCann's + Tapas lot will not go back to Portugal because they all know what will happen.
Rearrange these words - noprsi
Instead they will continue the charade here and fight tooth and nail to stop themselves going back to a place they said they would never leave.
Why did they say that, cos it was what they thought was appropriate to say at the time. This couple remind me of all the people I have ever worked with who change their words to brown nose the boss at the touch of a hat.
Now that is bad enough but when a
3 yr old girl's death occurs then it is beyond evil.(death IMO)
They will not return to Portugal without literally being dragged onto a plane up the steps. Maybe we could use the Mossad tactic of snatching them and flying them secretly !!!!
Now if I was a Tapas member I would be doing a deal with the Portugese police and making sure I am at the reconstruction. And I believe we will see that.
Afternoon
I just read back over the comments on the other blog, thanks to Claudia. So, they are all turning their backs on each other, starting new sites, Rosie is an outcast!! Reading the comments it certainly looks that way. Or, is that what they want us to believe....Just a thought!!
Bath Theory
I do hope we see a reconstruction, but all the reports I read say it will not happen.
Could the PJs make all the Tapas Arguidos and insist that they return?
I have a feeling that this is exactly the position the Tapas knew they would end up in, hence Carter Ruck!!
Hi Di....
The former Rosiepuppypops fans don`nt want anybody to believe anything.They hav`nt got the energi to take interest in anything, that goes beyond the tip of their own nose.
Hi Ecolab
I am sure you are so right, and Gerry's blog!! very quiet mmmmmmm
Di....Schyyyy...
Gerry is busy with his Under Agenda. Just like the rat in its corner.
Ecolab
I saw this post from Ironside on 3As.. I do hope he does not mind me posting it here......I feel it answers many questions....
Good afternoon Jailhouse,Having lived in spain for sometime,I have done a little research for myself with the help of some friends in the guardia civil,,,believe me,they are making no excuses,what happened with mari luz was wrong ,this man was allowed to escape a prison sentence because the Judges at the time his case should have been heard were on strike for four months. A backlog entailed and he was lost in the system...Mari Luz's father knows this.
I at one time thought that there was a Huelva Connection, I have been proven wrong...The Mccanns used this family for their own gains,they could not believe their luck when Mari Luz disappeared....The connections on the web were rife,you could not google Mari Luz without the name Mccann popping up. I proved this time and time again and posted all info. on estelles thread....
The Mccanns were devastated when Mari Luz's little body surfaced ,not only that ,her death was by a person known to the family..this as you know is ALWAYS the case...except for one or two cases..
This was proven to me ,after we heard of her death,I googled Mari Luz Cortes..The Mccann connection had disappeared...
The Coward that posted in large letters on your blog,is just that a coward...There are not many questions you can google now,without the3a's right there ,in front of your face...The 3a's have respect and honour among their posters,as do you sir, The cages are well and truly rattling...We will not stop until madeleine has the justice she deserves...
Have to go for a while, hope to catch up later , if not see you tomorrow.
Typical
The size of the Negligence
The McCanns themselves have admitted leaving Madeleine (aged 3), Sean and Amélie (aged 2) alone and without supervision, on several occasions, in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club.
Hiya Claudia
So seawitch, mum 21 chinadoll started another blog with the aim to avoid the nastiness but then they invited Rosiepoophead to join them, she was predicably very nasty and now the blog has closed down. No big surprises there then but it does explain why poops blog is so boring and she lost the few people she had!
Lizzy tell Ironside thanks so much and we really miss him, could you persuade him to join us sometimes do you think, he only needs to email me and I will certainly send him a link to join!
Viv x
lizzy said...
Hi Viv/all
I have been asked by Ironside to post these links on here, it is a link to a Sapnish blog and appartment 5a which proves without doubt that it was a wooden floor in the apaprtment, where the blood was allegedly found underneath a wood tile, there was a lot of conjecture on the DE as to whether this floor was tiled and Alsabella said it was wood floor tiles, she has been proven to be correct.....Blog: http://kalysis.blogspot.com/
Foro: http://tinyurl.com/56rsoe
Lizzy
Dear Gerry & Kate
It is never too late to look at yourself in the mirror and start leading an honest life where you are true to yourself.
It is never too late to say I'm sorry (IMO)
Am I the only one, who wonder, whether Madeleine has been handcuffed (armwrist strapped)??
Odd marks
strapped down
Very odd injuries - belonging to the "private"life
Ecolab
I would'nt put it past them.
Perhaps that is what she meant when she said the following.
Vanity Fair
What, Schindler asked, was the first thing that crossed their minds when they came back to the room from dinner and realized that Madeleine wasn't there?
"I knew straight away she'd been taken," Kate replied.
"At the first moment?" Schindler asked.
"Well," Kate responded, "put it this way: I mean, she hadn't walked out of the apartment."
Sorry guys, for the long post, but for those who haven't read it, enjoy! laughing is a very healthy thing! :-)
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Rosiepops said...
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24 April 2008 22:49
chinadoll said...
Sod it, I've lost the link for ST's site and I had it in my favourites.
Can anyone help me out?
24 April 2008 22:50
SeaWitch said...
Rosie,
What has happened?
I honestly didn't mean to offend you, and I am mortified to think that this is the case.
If you remember, I did ask a couple of weeks ago if anyone was interested in starting up a chatting blog.
I will come over to your blog to try to sort this out.
24 April 2008 22:53
Mum21 said...
Rosie.
Your comment will remain. This blog is nothing to do with the subject you discuss. In fact it is never mentioned on here.
This is a gathering of ladies out to enjoy themselves. Nothing more...nothing less.
24 April 2008 22:54
chinadoll said...
Rosiepops,
Pull yourself together and stop taking everything so god damned personally.
We are here as individuals who wish to be in the company of others. The emails I sent out today, were received by me via legitimate means and no restrictions were made on them.
As for deleting you, each and everyone of us could do so, unlike on your blog, where many have felt abused by lack of moderation.
I told you earlier, that I would respond to you tomorrow. You are now coming over as bitter and that is not healthy in any sense of the word.
The invitation I extended to you and others was a genuine attempt at reaching out and trying to bridge what has gone before.
24 April 2008 22:57
chinadoll said...
Oh and Rosiepops,
We all have stress and problems in our lives, as you very well know.
Don't come here to take yours out on us.
It would be lovely to chat and ask how things are, but, clearly you chose to bite the hand that is offered in friendship. I am very disappointed
24 April 2008 22:59
chinadoll said...
Ladies,
We will not be distracted as we have had to be on a previous blog.
I truly am shocked.
Seawitch, did you take advantage of my brief absence?
Mum21 did you stick up for me?
24 April 2008 23:00
Mum21 said...
China,
Of course I would stick up for you...but I did not get the chance.
It was like a flash of lightening.....whoshhhhhhhhh and gone.
24 April 2008 23:03
chinadoll said...
Tulip,
The only anagram I could see for Tulip, was 'Lit up' and you certainly are that - especially on the economy lol
24 April 2008 23:03
Tulip said...
Sorry folks, what happened?
Trailing behind as usual.
Does Rosie think this is a rival blog? But this has nothing to do with hers, which I still visit all the time and greatly respect. I just don't want to get involved in the attacks from outside. Why can't we all be on one friendly blog that has nothing to do with the MC topic. Or have I once again missed something? Seems to be my speciality.
24 April 2008 23:04
SeaWitch said...
China,
Yes, I did! hahah! Turn your back and that's what'll happen. Especially when you INVITE us to insult you....!
24 April 2008 23:05
SeaWitch said...
Tulip,
I am as mystified as you, but hopefully we can sort it out.
24 April 2008 23:06
chinadoll said...
You all know that if I have something to say, I will say it. I and we, are ladies with 'attitude'
Stress and worry (especially on a personal level) are very strong emotions and I truly hope that Rosiepops will reconsider her views, when she has not got so much on her plate.
I mean that Rosiepops.
24 April 2008 23:07
chinadoll said...
I will email you all tomorrow with the invitation I sent to our long standing absent friends on the pro blog.
I will not repeat it openly here.
Even Seawitch did not know - she was copied in after the event.
24 April 2008 23:09
Mum21 said...
Seawitch. I doubt very much that we can. It seems we are not allowed to have a blog of our own even when it is not in competition with anyone else.
It goes deeper than what was said....I can see that without a shadow of doubt.
24 April 2008 23:10
chinadoll said...
Can anyone lend me a monkey lol?
24 April 2008 23:14
Tulip said...
I think I'm getting the picture now -- I stopped blogging re the other topic because I was worried about becoming obsessed ... and depressed.
If Rosie and the others got an invite to join us, what is wrong with that? Surely one can blog on more than one site? Especially as they are quite different.
I think Vile can very easily get to one.
I feel upset, I really do, as I like Rosie so much.
24 April 2008 23:14
Rosiepops said...
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24 April 2008 23:16
chinadoll said...
Rosiepops,
I would ask that you do not come here to insult members of this blog. I and others will not tolerate it and I have therefore binned your last comment.
24 April 2008 23:19
SeaWitch said...
Tulip,
I feel exactly the same as you do. This is a big misunderstanding and I'm sure we can sort it out, but I think I'm going to take a raincheck tonight.
I shall think about a post for tomorrow.
Chinadoll,
You are respected because you speak your mind! lady with attitude, that's you, and we all love ya for it!
Night, all x
24 April 2008 23:20
chinadoll said...
Rosiepops,
I am sorry to have felt the need to have taken that action.
Abuse of any member of this blog will not be tolerated.
24 April 2008 23:21
Mum21 said...
Rosie,
You were all invited here because we liked you all.
If you wish to take it another way...then that is up to you.
This blog has nothing at all to do with the subject you post about.
All you need to do...is bin the invitations. Simple as that.
I will not become involved in an argument with you on here.
24 April 2008 23:21
Tulip said...
I can't believe this!
24 April 2008 23:23
chinadoll said...
Goodnight Seawitch,
May I remind you that you have acted with integrity and consideration at all times and you are very much appreciated by us all.
24 April 2008 23:23
Tulip said...
I can't believe this!
24 April 2008 23:23
SeaWitch said...
well,
I didn't see Rosie's last post, and she has deleted me from her blog.
Sass has mdismissed me with a curt "Hi and bye Seawitch"
Meanwhile, I haven't a clue what is going on so I am off for this evening.
See you all tomorrow x
24 April 2008 23:24
Tulip said...
Sorry I posted twice -- shows how shocked I must be!
24 April 2008 23:25
Mum21 said...
Tulip.
I don't believe it either.
Here we were minding our own business...chatting away...and BOOM.
Somehow the fun has gone out of the evening.
24 April 2008 23:27
chinadoll said...
Tulip,
We will not allow any interference in the smooth running of this blog.
Mum21 - please make sure Tulip has all of the bins incase she is put under similar pressure to that she has experienced on the other blog.
24 April 2008 23:27
Mum21 said...
China...I will look in the settings to see if I can do it
24 April 2008 23:30
chinadoll said...
Seawitch,
If that is Rosiepops attitude and worse still, if she represents the rest of the posters on the pro blog, then I will never step foot in there again. I suggest we all do the same.
24 April 2008 23:30
chinadoll said...
Tulip,
Are you looking forward to your weekend away?
I, for one, will miss our chats.
24 April 2008 23:32
chinadoll said...
Thanks Mum21,
Is Seawitch posting the article for tomorrow? She has gone off to bed upset and that really annoys me. What has she ever done to be subjected to that load of nonsense?
24 April 2008 23:34
Tulip said...
If you look at your mail now you'll see we have all been sent one from Jane accusing us of being insensitive.
What on earth is going on?
Gee how I'm looking forward to my weekend.
24 April 2008 23:36
Mum21 said...
Tulip.
Please refresh the page..then you should see bins on everyones comments.
24 April 2008 23:36
chinadoll said...
Mum21,
Sadly, I can confirm that the nest has been abandoned. When hubby gets home, we, more like he, will clean it out and put fresh straw in. They will, no doubt, be back for another go lol
24 April 2008 23:38
chinadoll said...
Tulip,
Don't take it out of context - we will not repricate the same problems here. We will sort it out as a group, a democracy lol
24 April 2008 23:41
Tulip said...
No bins Mum. But don't worry, I'm not such a delicate flower. I still don't know what is going on. I have/have had no beef with anyone.
24 April 2008 23:43
Rosiepops said...
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24 April 2008 23:45
Tulip said...
Sorry to be stupid, but what was Jane's email all about?
I told her I didn't like being called insensitive. All I did was accept an invite to join a friendly blog for heaven's sake!
24 April 2008 23:46
Tulip said...
So THAT's what it's about. At last I know. Then why does Jane include me in her accusatory email -- I didn't take any addresses!! I was an invitee!
24 April 2008 23:48
Mum21 said...
Rosie,
Nobody gave out email addresses..we just posted to the people who gave them to us. Some of which still email me at times.
As for giving a lead to our blog...that is impssible because all our ID's are unchecked.
We sent you an invite because we thought you were friends. Out of all the people we invited....you are the only one that has made a fuss.
We all wanted a break away from the heartbreaking subject...it was getting too much and invading our lives.
We wanted some light relief from it..that is all.
24 April 2008 23:54
Mum21 said...
Tulip...most of us on the other blog gave each other our email addresses...we were friends
24 April 2008 23:55
chinadoll said...
Once again Rosiepops, I would prefer to discuss such matters in private.
You have no idea of who emails who and how we are receipt of email addresses. You yourself emailed me today - a global email with every regular posters address included. During the last months, many of us have emailed eachother and copied others into same. Don't suggest to me that I need your or others permission for using the information that lands in my inbox, without your explicit consent.
Another moderator of your blog actually offered to send the email to the rest of your regular poster, so get off of your bike or high horse and do not come here to preach to me/us.
I genuinely feel that you would benefit from taking some time out and I say that from the heart.
Thanks for deleting the post that highlighted this blog - but, believe me, if the trash choose to poke their nose in here, they will not be tolerated.
24 April 2008 23:56
chinadoll said...
Tulip,
You have mail.
24 April 2008 23:57
Tulip said...
Night anyone left.
25 April 2008 00:00
chinadoll said...
Well Ladies,
It would seem that google/blogger is experiencing problems tonight.
May I take this opportunity of wishing you all a very Goodnight and that applies to all that have taken the trouble to post here or, look in.
Where is Athena?
Athena always has the capacity to calm any stormy waters.
Godbless All.
25 April 2008 00:30
chinadoll said...
Tulip,
Have a great weekend. I am not sure if you are away from tomorrow or Saturday.
Just enjjjjjjjjjjjjooooooooooyyyyyy
I look forward to resuming our chats soon. We kind of bounce off of eachother, as most of us do here lol
When you get back, you are definetly on bin duty and that means that there is a bin at the end of ever post, even mine.
Oy Tulip,
You mustn't touch my bin though lol
25 April 2008 00:40
JANEGT said...
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25 April 2008 00:41
JANEGT said...
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25 April 2008 00:43
chinadoll said...
Goodnight All,
May I suggest that any further correspondence is conducted by email only. I am here to listen.
25 April 2008 00:50
JANEGT said...
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25 April 2008 01:08
chinadoll said...
You have mail
25 April 2008 01:14
chinadoll said...
New thread started by Mum21
Viv, hilarious or what?
I owe that anon the best laugh of the weekend! :-)
Dolores:
You might be right.
I know one thing for sure. They have had "pin up" pictures of Madeleine made.
Maybe the poor girl was for rent!
I would call those pictures very close to child porn. Not pictures for "normal" parents to have of their child.
I`ll find you one!
Hi Viv,
Will pass your message on to Ironside, he has said to send his love and best wishes to yourself and everyone on here,and he will post on here soon, so I will let him know.
I think you are right, the fact they did any cleaning at all after a supposed abduction can only mean one thing, they want no traces, evidence found, why would this be the case if they were not involved,? to me is a clear indication of guilt. Lizzy
Hi Nancy,
I agree with you entirely, the only possible reason they had for cleaning the flat after the abducton was because they were the guilty ones.
The police would be quickly alerted by this im sure. Not the actions of normal parents of an abducted child. Lizzy
Hi Claudia,
Have just read your long post of the pro's from the Express, hilarious, they are truly strange...lol
Lizzy
Dolores:
This is one.
Maddie styled up
Ecolab
I remember this one and it is to provotive for my liking.I should never have been made public.
It is to sad to think about.
Ecolab
Sorry...provocative
Lizzy, hilarious indeed! :-) When they start to get on each other's throats, it must be really bad. But funny, though. :-)
I also don't like that picture. I'm not saying it means anything more sinister because I have no reason to think that way. However, it's the kind of picture that I wouldn't like to see made public if it were from a child close to me.
The 3As are putting together a leaflet entitled What are The Chances? I think it's been discussed on here in the past few days when I wasn't around.
This is ST's response to it:
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?
Of having your child abducted and if that wasn’t bad enough, having the worst humanity can throw up using you tragedy to entertain themselves about it on the internet?
Of being treated as someone worse than Ian Huntley by a bunch of internet morons because you decided it was safe to leave your children safely tucked in a room and dine 100 yards away in the SAME complex in an apparently safe resort in an apparently safe country?
Of the finger of suspicion being pointed at the McCanns simply because they envy them and the attention they are getting?
Of a 3arguidos or Vile’s poster ever posting anything truthful or intelligent instead of choosing to believe any nonsense which is thrown at them?
Of these sites actually entering and winning the Guinness Book of records for the amount of crap and lies posted in ONLY 5 minutes?
Of Viv having less anything than 4 alter egos to speak to herself?
Of pRat ever posting anything remotely intelligent?
Of Slowly slowly catchey Leigh ever posting anything sane? Tsk Tsk
Of LGC posting anything remotely funny and non-malicious?
Of Hope4 ever having the courage to stand up and protest against the most abusive poster and lies?
Of one of these posters hiding behind a door that opens behind a wall in an attempt to test the latest silly Madeleine theory and having his/her nose flattened by someone else entering?
Of highly-trained forensic cadaver dogs and DNA analysts from the UK being taken to such posters and reacting badly to them?
Of a mother discovering that her son/daughter posts at Vile’s and the 3A’s and running away in terror?
Of these posters pretending to have high flying careers to try and give some credibility to their nonsense, and hide the fact they are a bunch of misfits?
Of any of these posters actually having a career, let alone a life?
Of some posters in those sites having previous criminal convictions?
Of any of these people stopping their hate campaign and helping spread awareness that a child is missing? Instead of sitting on their arses all day judging people whose grief they cannot begin to comprehend?
The freaks and nutters of at least five different countries coming together in a couple of the internet’s sickest sites to post some of the most disgusting crap about you, your family and most importantly your missing daughter while you are still desperately trying to find her…
No lives, no friends, fake jobs and careers, chips on shoulders, unresolved family issues, perversions, huge amounts of envy, resentment and getting off on reliving and imagining the possible fate of a beautiful little girl have come together to create an unprecedented ‘hate campaign’…
Not a single clue has turned up to support any of their lies, not a grain of truth from those sites, not a shred of decency.
Using freedom of expression as an excuse to bully you, damage your reputation, put your family at risk, harass those closest to you.
Questioning over and over again unsubstantiated rumours and lies…
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?
To view the s**t which is posted daily on those sites, which no self respecting intelligent person would believe, visit:-
http://www.the3arguidos.net
http://www.justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/
Gosh, this certainly convinces me the McCanns are totally innocent... :)
http://supertroll.blogspot.com/2008/05/our-version-of-3as-stupid-leaflet.html
Ecolab
After seeing that awful photo ecolab which I agree is suspicious it does make one wonder why she was screaming, 'Daddy, daddy' over and over again as heard by upstairs lady.
It is an angle that is hard to talk about openly but we all know it occurs far more than any of us realise.
Who knows? an angle that should be investigated by the PJ for sure.
LGC, confronted with such convincing arguments and facts I now understand that the Mccanns are wonderful, responsible and loving parents who made a minor mistake and who did everything in their power to help the authorities by answering all questionsand returning to Portugal without hesitation when asked to do so. ;-)
LGC -
All I can say is they must have really been impressed with those questions!!! They must also be impressed with Viv's blog because they are always on here to read and then going back to comment in their own nasty vitriolic way.
All I can say is if I was in any doubt about being an anti - that lot have definitely put off seeing the light - or I should say darkness in their case!
What a bunch of moronic deadheads!!
Do they really believe a predator took Madeliene without leaving a trace of DNA. I'm afraid it's impossible. Of course the McCanns cleaned the whole place up to get rid of any trace of what really happened which as I pointed out earlier, they wouldn't have done if they really knew someone had taken their beautiful daughter.
Thanks for that post LGC - it certainly puts what they are into perspective!!
Nx
LGC
Take a look at the grieving parents.Scroll down until you come to the 2 collages.Viv might put them here and let the public see their grief.
http://tinyurl.com/6cfp6g
Claudia/Nancy,
Naturally, this latest post from ST convinces us all that there are no better parents in the whole world than the mighty McCanns! Only, er, they do seem to have mislaid one of their children...but I'm sure that was just an isolated error and they still have two of them left, after all.
It's a very interesting thing that those of us who are aghast at how they treated their very small children, and left them totally vulnerable to who knows what, can be considered "mentally ill" and "vile" and "malicious".
This is what gives them away - it becomes glaringly obvious that we are reviled NOT for standing up for children's rights, but for being disgusted at Kate and Gerry and their lovely, neglectful friends.
Thus the adults are for some reason more important than the children, one of whom has suffered a life-threatening, perhaps life-terminating, calamity.
And we are therefore wrong for talking about this travesty of duty of care!
Morals, ST, and childrens' rights - look them up in a book if you can't grasp what they mean.
Thanks, Dolores.
Most informative...
:)
LGC, morals? They hve no idea what that is. people who defend convicted child killers like João and Leonor Cipriano haven't got an ounce of morals.
Little Grey Cell
The point about them being a fantastic parent could be summed up as follows and very simply....
Dear Portugese Police
A simple point which I am sure you remember all the time but one I would like you to definitely remember all the time.
The McCann's are still saying one year on ...What are the Portugese police doing to look for Madeleine BUT this is a couple who did not look for their daughter the very night she went missing.
Please keep that thought at the front of what you do over the next six months.
Even if you could believe a good parent would leave their children alone at night in a foreign country you would never believe a good one would not search unless they knew it was worthless or they had to make sure the body was not found cos it was closer to home.
ie In the tennis holdall
Bath theory,
Exactly,they let the whole of PDL look for their child knowing she would not be found,the deceit started on 3rd May 2007 and it has not stopped since.
They knew alright it would be pointless.That's why they or their friends hid behind closed doors.
They have deceived the whole world.while they laughed all the way.To me their grief if any is for their own skin.
The Unimaginable Grief Of The McCanns - as early as 19th May LAST year....
Hi All
Sorry, I am responsible for posting the comments from the other site, 3As.
I posted, "As a mother" and "What are the chances of" that we were discussing on 3As, originally posted by Tigger and subsequently added to by many forum members.
ROTB did say OMG Di!!!
Well ROTB you were right!! but who cares, why?? should we all be frightened to say what we feel and think!! I, for one don't give damn!!!!!!
I was expecting this but
Exactly Dolores , like a child who cries not for what they have done wrong but because they have been found out.
Maybe that explains why they didn't cry cos they had not been found out at first. mmmm
Di, why "sorry"?! The leaflets are available in 5 languages now! :-)
And the good people of the 3As are getting hours of entertainment, reading the latest rantings on ST's blog! Hahahahaha!!!!!! :-) :-)
And BTW troll, because I know you read this, they say thanks very much for the free publicity. :-)
Evening All
I dont get how anyone can try and defend the neglect of these children they were left alone night after night even after Madeleine mentioned that she and her 2 year old brother had been crying the night before it made no diffrence they thought about taking them with them but oh it was to far so they just left them AGAIN...
No spin required they did not make a mistake they made a choice to leave their children alone. To try and spin that it is something we all do is wrong in other words from day one it has all been about saving their skin.
How can a parent of a missing child not bother to look for them? If they had both been so grief stricken they could not function I might get it but they were able to jog and pop off round the world to sell their story. How can a parent of a missing child leave their remaning children back in PDL with relatives or in the Creche...
If they are so sure she was taken how come they trusted the people working for MW to care for the twins? Murrat was the first Arguido the friends knew he was there and he was made an arguido on the 15th May and lived near by now if I thought someone had taken my daughter and was still nearby I would not let my other children out of sight but they were left in the Creche? How do you relax and jet off knowing that a man has been made an arguido?
I have been told I am abusing the twins well no not at all the parents neglected them and as a result their sister is missing and although we hear every day how they will help the PJ any way they can they have not done so.
Is a 3 year old child so unimportant compared to her parents? If that is the case then god help every child in England...
Hello Baththeory,
Very good point! But why would you bother to look for one missing child when you've still got the other two left???
:)
Hi Rat
Thanks for that, I was wondering if I had caused trouble, which was not my intention.
Your comments though made me think,
Who cares... the word is getting out there and that's what THIS is all about JUSTICE.......
Di, we all cause trouble, just by being here, by refusing to just shut up and vanish off the face of the earth, never mind writing leaflets or anything else. That's why I know, the more insults they throw at me, the more they question my intelligence and sanity, the more they try to shut me up, the more I know I am on to something and the less likely I am to let go! Something that both Rosiepops and Supertroll (if they are indeed 2 separate entities) have yet to grasp, even after a whole year....
Rat...
I have always had an inquisitive streak. If something does not seem right to me, I just can't let it go. I will be honest it drives my hubby mad...But do you now what!! he always says... OK I apologize....you were right...
I hope I am this time..
Off now
Will catch up tomorrow.
Rat -
The unimginable grief of the McCanns!!!
That photo should be put on a poster and e-mailed to all the pro-McCanns so they can see just what sort of parents they are trying to protect!
And we are supposed to believe that these two with broad grins in this photo are grieving parents, just two weeks after Madeleine went missing supposedly with a paedophile; they must be having a good laugh at all those who have been taken in by them that's all I can say!
I can't wait to see the wheels of justice turn straight into the McCann's direction and pull up fast!
Justice for Madeleine!! And soon!!
Regarding Atopic Dermatitis(Exema)
Madeleine is as far as I can see - NOT suffering from exema. What I see is bruises - the one at the wrist look like pull-marks from "strap-down". The fingers at the left hand are blue and swallowed. The knees are blue and yellow. A blue mark at the right leg. The girl is badly beaten up.
Do I see something above the right eye?
The elbow is squashed.
The tennisball picture I found must be a first copy from the original - the worst I have seen so far. The PJ must have seen it too.
Blow the picture up by clicking at it or copy the picture and blow it up then.
a molested child
Madeleine in her parents care???
Goodnight RAT,DI,LGC -
Interesting posts from you all -
See you tomorrow -
4 days to see which way the wind blows for the McCanns and the Tapas 7 - I hope it's gale force straight to PdeL!!
Nancy x
Goodnight Nancy!
:)
Night Di!
:)
G'night Nancy, and all,
I'm off too, got an early start tomorrow! xxx
Hi Hope -
Just before I go - good post and you say just what all of us are thinking. How could parents of three young children just go off for the evening, not just once in the tapas bar, but before that to the Chaplins restaurant where they even admitted it was a long way to walk without a pushchair so they didn't take the children. How can they think that is normal, and how can some of the people surrounding them believe it too.
And these wonderful examples of parents are now trying to convince the world that they care so much about little children they want to spend the rest of their lives trying to help them - well I've always thought that charity begins at home, and it's Madeleine and the twins who needed their charity on the 2nd or 3rd May and who knows what other times!
I would love to wipe their self satisfied grins from their over publicised faces quite frankly!
I just hope the authorities are keeping a wary eye on the twins with parents like these, and the children of the tapas friends who were equally irresponsible!!
Finished ranting - off to bed now with a good book!!
See you tomorrow!
Nncy x
Night Rat,
You've inspired me to embrace the alien technology of the 3As!
Ta!!! :)
Yes, goodnight to everybody here from Denmark, too. Remember we are one hour in front of UK ;-)), and I have to be up in seven hours and make myself ready for work.
"See" ya all tomorrow at breakfast.
Night Ecolab!
:)
Well, that's me done, too.
Night night, everyone.
:)
Hi All, I have now put a new thread up and apologies it has been a few days again, as I have been very busy on a court case.
On this thread maybe finally, we can just remember one thing.
Khyra and Madeleine were both seriously abused children and they are both dead, at the hands of their own parents. That is a terrible tragedy. This blog will continue to support little children and demand justice for when things go so terribly wrong for them.
God Bless Khyra and Madeleine, may you rest in peace, safe from further harm and abuse x
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