18 Jul 2008

PJ INVESTIGATION: INEVITABLE MADELEINE DIED

rocesso: PJ failed to discover the child's corpse Research reports abduction impossible Thirteen months after Madeleine had disappeared, the PJ concludes an investigation which is still marked by uncertainty. The final report shows that today the CM in isolation, does not determine guilt, but leaves new and strong doubts on the thesis presented by the parents of the child English. It describes in detail the steps taken by the researchers - who tried in every way, confirm the hypothesis - and shows that it was theoretically impossible to have occurred. They do not make sense to witnesses, nor how one of the friends says he has seen a man carrying a child around one hour before it was given the warning of the disappearance. It is Janne Tanner, which ensures there surprised the unknown in a street where he also was the father of Maddie and another witness. Both secured after having seen nothing, although the same angle of vision. Tanner, who later made a portrait of the supposed-robot raptor, says that the man took the child in a horizontal position. The size of the window shows that this could only have happened if the child was transported upright. Still, the PJ tried by all means find out who could have taken Maddie. They did dozens of steps to be suspected of sexual abuse. Have been collected on the registered elements that could have been on holiday in the Algarve during that period of time, to see if there any relationship with the small Maddie. They have also investigated the other users of the resort. The PJ entered into more than 400 homes from around the Ocean Club and found nothing. In the window where Kate said that Maddie was abducted were not collected traces of the girl. Only brands that confirmed the mother of the girl's DNA. The final report of PJ shows the details of an investigation that has reached levels never seen. It was investigated a couple allegedly tried to kidnap another child, were past the fine comb the tracks that gave to that Maddie had been sighted in a petrol pump. It operated a crematorium and compared the genetic profile of Madeleine with the body of a child found on the coast of the United States. The PJ investigated a supposed beggar and followed thousands of clues in the most remote places in the world. Debalde. Nothing confirmed this theory of abduction. PJ INVESTIGOU TRANSPORT One of the most lengthy research was to gather and analyse all the information on possible avenues of transport / escape, by land, sea and air. We also explored the images collected by tourists on vacation at the same time, but, again, no decisive found. This information was compiled in an annex all that is beside the process, with another only for those suspected of sexual offences. APJ also has a file of all individuals connected with violent crime, and esmiuçada the lives of those in detail. It was important to determine whether could have any relation with the abduction. MADDIE The final report of PJ does not give suggestions to the prosecutor. But lists the convictions of an investigation that points inevitably to the death of Maddie on May 3 in Praia da Luz MORE OF A TIME The CHORAR The parents of Madeleine never denied that it was a habit the three children being left alone inside the apartment in Praia da Luz while jantavam, as witnessed by several testimonies from officials of the resort, but defended itself saying that every night to visit the children of half in half an hour. The testimony of neighbor Pamela Fenn leaves completely undermine the version of the couple McCann, when assured the PJ have heard Maddie in tears during one hour and 15 minutes two nights before the crime. The British lives in the 1st floor above the apartment occupied by McCann and told investigators that on the night of May 1 last year, to 22.30, heard a child cry, that the sound would be Madeleine. The Judicial Police ensured that the child remained inconsolable one hour and 15 minutes, until their parents arrived. A neighbour heard the noise of the door at 23.45, when Kate and Gerry ended the normal coexistence with friends in Tapas bar - the restaurant of the resort where daily jantavam around the pool. This testimony contradicts the daily routine of visits that the couple was keeping with their children - and McCann is not free from criticism of other British. Yvone Martin, an official of the social security of British holiday in the Light, criticised the behaviour of negligent Kate and Gerry. DOGS FOR DECISIVOS PJ The actions of British dogs specially trained to detect odor of corpses and human blood that was decisive for Kate and Gerry were made defendants. Given the coincidence of the actions of two animals, which sinalizaram the same places and objects related to McCann, the authorities were obliged to admit any involvement of Kate and Gerry in the case of the disappearance of her daughter and provides them to the defendants face elements that could result in their prosecution - as witnesses could not refer to the silence. According cleared the CM, in the final report of investigation prepared by the Judicial Police investigators explain that animals have only signs of detection in places and objects related to the couple McCann: in the apartment where Madeleine disappeared (the fourth of the couple in the room, and be attached to the window side), in the backyard, the vehicle used by the family McCann (rented 24 days after the disappearance of the girl) in two pieces of clothing, Kate and Maddie in the plush - not that Kate dropped in the days following the disappearance . Already in the apartments of friends of McCann, in the village of Luz and on all vehicles used by Robert Murat, the first defendant to be made, nothing was detected by dogs. Faced with such evidence, reinforced by other expert examinations carried out in Portugal and England, PJ questioned Kate and Gerry and represents them as defendants. The animals, race springer spaniel, are widely used in the United Kingdom in search of missing persons or in the search for victims of murder, with positive results. KATE JUSTIFICA ODOR OF DEATH Kate McCann did not deny the fact that two pieces of clothing and plush of their daughter have been flagged by the English dog trained to detect odor of corpses and justified that with his profession. The mother of Madeleine argued that while the medical Health Centre Leicester, has witnessed six cases of death in the days immediately prior to his coming to Portugal on holiday, giving the same justification for the plush, Madeleine, which has accompanied the following months the disappearance of her daughter. 'A SENTI PONTAPÉ RABO NO' (Goncalo Amaral, former coordinator of the process madeleine mccann in the interview TVI) -- You are convinced that Madeleine McCann is dead? Gonçalo Amaral - I have this conviction. It is an interpretation in the light of law based on concrete facts, I have no knowledge of the investigation and carried out in steps. I am convinced that yes, that died there. -- If both parents have been made is because defendants were suspects? -- There were suspects and evidence for the constitution as defendants, moreover, strong elements on two types of crime: concealment of corpses and simulation of crime. That was public and when he left the investigation was in that foot. -- And the crime of abandonment, why parents are not accused? -- The question whether there is through the children were safe or not. It seems obvious, even if their own parents speak of abduction, that there was security. -- Do not be frustrated by no breakthrough in the case? -- Do not feel frustrated by the courts. Ando here for many years and I have great admiration for the judges. I understand how far can have the work of judges. -- Men do not understand why they came though? -- It does not. Respeitei the decision as a professional. There was an understanding between the Portuguese and English police that the girl was dead ed we had to solidify the evidence that existed and proceed to find where is that it could be. -- Do you think the reaction of PJ had to do with the politicization of the case? -- I think there was more political than police. But inside the ground did our best and never felt any defence. -- He felt the pressure of politics? -- I felt was a kick in the tail on 2 October. -- Do you think the normal case be shelved? -- I am not shocked. RECUARAM ENGLISH IN EXAMS It was the most remarkable volte-face in research. The first tests made by the English laboratory, regarded as pioneer in the analysis of trace organic, gave account of the likelihood of waste collected in the car of McCann be compatible with the genetic profile of Madeleine. Months later - after the Judicial Police already has moved to form accused of parents, according to the final report only on evidence that they hid the corpse of the child English - the laboratory was correct to informaçãoinicial. After all, the examinations to vestígiosrecolhidos naRenaultScénic rented by the couple were not conclusive and was not even possible to ascertain the quality of the material, or whether tratavade bodily fluid or a trace of blood. This change science, not yet completely settled, the investigation eventually lead to a dead end. The use of dogs to detect odors from cadaver or waste of blood is not validated in the Portuguese legal system was necessary and scientifically corroborate the markings canine. In addition, the option of the Judicial Police for submission of tests for England had its genesis in a matter of credibility. The researchers did not want that the results could be challenged by the English, then accepting that the remains were examined there. The IDA ENGLAND ACABOU BY SE REVELAR INÚTIL In April this year, Paulo Rebelo and two of the researchers of the process in which they tried to understand the contours of the disappearance of Madeleine Leicester were now investigating the English holiday on the beach of Light with the couple McCann. It is known now by the final report that nothing conclusive was found of such interrogations. The PJ out there who maintained close collaboration with local police, but anticipates that the testimony brought nothing new. The friends of McCann confined themselves to confirm what had already said in previous interrogations and PJ came out empty-handed this city north of London. CHANGE PauloRebelo, new leader of the research after the departure of Gonçalo Amaral, was repeatedly in the apartment of the Ocean Club, where they were collected the most varied traces. He was also in England, where witnesses heard. FIGURES 443 interrogations door to door in the Ocean Club apartments, made by PJ, are part of a total two million steps, formal and informal, carried out in research. 134 officials of the resort were heard by the inspectors in the days after the crime. The PJ also heard the 12 soldiers who passed by the GNR apartment the night of May 3. 130 elements police and Civil Protection were involved in the first 24 hours of searching. The following day the figure rose to 300. 188 boxes of trash were issued to fine comb in Praia da Luz, Lagos, in an attempt to find the body of Madeleine. 30 square kilometres is the area that the searches were extended to all land forces in the first days, in addition to the Maritime Police. NOTES 3 May 2007: DESAPARECE Between 21.05 and 22.00, Madeleine Beth McCann, of three years, disappeared from the apartment of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz 17.30 only after the parents contacted with girl. 14 May: FIRST SUSPEITO The British Robert Murat is questioned and is accused. The PJ has made home visits and telephone tapping, but never managed to relate it with the crime being investigated. 4 IN AUGUST: BLOOD Two sniffer dogs, from England, detect odor of corpses and traces of blood in the apartment, in the backyard, in clothes from Kate. 11 OF AUGUST: MORTA One hundred days after the disappearance of Madeleine, and after searches with dogs in England, researchers admit publicly that the child may be dead. 7 DE SETEMEBTO: defendants Based on the performance of the team cinotécnica, Kate and Gerry McCann are again questioned by the Judicial and they also made defendants. 29 NOVEMBER: TEST OF DNA Technical Portuguese and English shall meet at the headquarters of Leicestershire Police to discuss the results of DNA tests on traces collected in the investigation. 20 January 2008: PORTRAIT The couple McCann discloses a portrait-robot on the basis of testimony. Later turned out to the man in question was not involved in the crime. VESTÍGIOS: DELAY The remains of the vehicle used by McCann were collected in August 2007. The results of the examinations should only take a few weeks. IML: TESTS IN PORTUGAL The first traces collected by the investigation were sent to the IML. The tests were not conclusive and also not helped the clarification.

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Wizard said...

Hi Icanthinkofaname,

I’ve just returned from Luxor and didn’t see any English newspapers, the TV World News, which we picked up on satellite in the hotel room, didn’t cover anything as far as I am aware but I only caught 5/10 minutes most evenings. I will read back from 19.26 as you suggest and catch up.

I haven’t got Claudia’s blog site address – when you get a second could you let me know as I would love to read her translation of the book.

Best Regards as always - Wizard

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Wizard

Claudia's blog is:

http://proud-of-the-pj.blogspot.com/

I will come back soon with some other readings you might make as a summary of what has happened over the last few days would probably leave you with lots of unanswered questions.

At least that is my first thought.

Wizard said...

Icanthinkofaname,

Many thanks for the info.

bath theory said...

http://proud-of-the-pj.blogspot.com/

bath theory said...

I was living abroad whilst this operation ore was highlighted with regards to senior labour politicians etc hence my desire to delve a little last night and share the articles I came across. Who knows, it is all rather sinister it would seem. Such a shame for little Madeleine if that was her 'punishment' becuase she was a bright bonny human being with the ability to embarass with words - aren't all children like that in their own way -very sad.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Wizard

Murat award £600,00 for libel by 4 newspaper groups


refering to Portugese newspaper (I think CM)

marga said...

(...)They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors(..)

Both?

OMG this is sth I would never ever think of possible to happen in this case.
Saturday, 19 July 2008 14:56:00 o'clock BST

Sorry Wizard more reading

start this thread halfway down page 201-400

Claudia 16.03 to dylan 16.55

Claudia 21.46 (her summary of the report) to my post 00.26 Tues.

Some irrelevant items amongst them but it would be too bitty to isolate here.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Hi BT

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Wizard

Sorry got so involved I forgot to ask you if you enjoyed your holiday.

marga said...

Hi folks!
I watched GA's interview live on sic tv at 12.25 and all his answers are very thoughtful. The second edition of his book is already sold so the thrird is going to come next monday.

marga said...

He is going to be interviewd again on canal 1 this evening by a journalist that is used to talk to politicians and other important personalities.

marga said...

I have a question.

Why did Blair resigned last year? I searched for information and found that he informed about his resignation on may 14th and on 27th June B took over. Did Blair explain about his reasons ?I'm curiousabout it because GA says in his book that they phoned the PM at that time.

J J said...

Thanks for the translation Claudia

Fantastic work.

I really wish I could read Portugese and I could read the whole thing myself.

I'll just have to wait until it becomes available in English.

marga said...

*resign

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Marga

There were a number of reasons given for Blair's resignation.
1) I think he had stated long before he resigned that he would.
2) He was becoming unpopular in the country (Iraq among other things) and the Labour Party were seeking a leader who could win the next election.

3) He was getting offers of othe jobs. (Liason in the Middle East, possible future EU president).

These are the ones I can remember. I don't think this case was cited.

marga said...

ICTOAN,

thank you.

bath theory said...

Hi ICTOAN
Been in the garden

I have heard today on the news that the government has helped the music industry to send a letter out to all parents of children who illegally download .... music.

Wouldn't it be nice to think they could send a letter out to all parents who have illegally downloaded child material and warn them if they do it again they will be in trouble.

Just shows you the priorities of those in power.

Ecolab said...

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on childre

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who's job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

. Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone - in Leader, Michael Howard's constituency), Robert Richdale - 41 year history of crime, involving 30 convictions and 5 prison sentences. Richdales enormous criminal record, which covers 10 pages of A4 paper, includes convictions for assault, theft, causing death by dangerous driving, forgery, drugs offences, possession of an offensive weapon, and sex attacks against underage schoolgirls. The Tory Party election campaign literature described Richdale as "a family man" who had a "compassionate personality"

. Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.


. Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler- Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

Isn't it like the Police - soft targets.

I've been sat at my computer watching
Claudia's translation unfold.

She said she is tired. I can well understand it. I'm exhausted from sitting her reading.

Di said...

Hi All

Just looking in,I have been reading Claudia's translation as and when I can. There are some very interesting points in the book.

Unfortunately I am off out for the evening but will catch up tomorrow.

Dyl... I hope you are ok today and not worrying too much.

Enjoy your evening everyone.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Di
Have a good evening

Di said...

ICTOAN

Thanks

ICantThinkOfAName said...

News of the World stung for over £900,000 in the Mosley privacy case.

£60,000 compensation plus astronomical legal costs.

The thing that amused me was the comment by the NOW: "more evidence of the press being 'strangled by stealth' ".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/
article-1038236/Mosley-victory-
Nazi-orgy-case-deals-fatal-blow-
newspaper-kiss-tell-stories-say-
lawyers.html

bath theory said...

Ecolab that list I also read last night and it didn't suprise me but it still shocks doesn't it.

Did you see the bit which I wrote last night about a World In Action researcher concerning a previous home secretary who was apparently caught by police in a party where men and boys were at. He was led out the back and men were taken out the front and straight to the police station. I see no reason for her to have lied to me.

Also, 24 yrs ago I went on holiday to Majorca with my school mate Colin. His older brother was gay and he met us out there with this bloke who was a real laugh. He had a 30 cm schlong and I didn't believe it. He then proved me wrong by producing the evidence.

He had a great sense of humour and told me he was flown around the world by M.P's and he was a rent boy. I didn't believe it but he then showed me his passport and he had the most amount of stamps in his passport I have ever seen. A few years later he got married and has apparently got 3 children.

I guess the point I make is you never know what goes on behind a shut door.

All very sad and of course the press has stayed away from this today hasn't it. Expose teenage music downloaders but not perverts who get their kicks from children. The darker side of life.

bath theory said...

Claudia
Keep up the good work.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

You can post that on her blog. My post to her was answered in a few minutes.

Ecolab said...

Interview with Gonçalo Amaral in Correio da Manhã today:


Cadaver was frozen or was kept in the cold

How does the pressure appear?
"Right on the morning of the 4th of May, with a consul calling the embassy and saying that the PJ wasn’t doing anything. Then an ambassador. Next, an advisor and the English prime minister."

Rori Hegarty said...

Dyl, im off to work shortly , so if your reading later i hope things are going ok for you. Keep the faith xxx.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

How does the pressure appear?

It appears to cover up for high level Government people who are directly involved or have something to hide which is known to the Tapas 7.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Interesting that the FSS didn't want the hair to go to another lab for analysis.

Ecolab said...

“So beautiful, astonishingly bright, and I’d have to say very charismatic. She would shine out of a crowd,” family friend Jon Corner says of the child. “So—God forgive me—maybe that’s part of the problem. That special quality. Some xxxxxxx picked up on that.”


Madeleine posing

ORE:" 'commons clerk on trial after IT find thousands of images of children performing sexual acts'"

Ecolab said...

“Payne is the last one to see her”

Correio da Manhã – When do testimonies concerning David Payne’s behaviour indicating sexual practices with minors arrive?

Gonçalo Amaral – In May. Something went wrong with that group during a holiday: David Payne made revealing gestures concerning behaviour towards children. Even towards Maddie. We asked for information but it arrived after the 26th of October. They sent the information without giving it any importance.

What exactly did arrive?

A couple of doctors spent holidays in Mallorca, in 2005, with David Payne, the McCanns and another couple. The lady says she saw Payne with his finger in his mouth, making a movement in and out, while rubbing his nipple with the other hand. And he was talking about Maddie, next to her father. Those statements should have been given a different treatment by the police. It was relevant to access the information, about doctors, who are just as credible as anyone else.

What else remains unclear concerning David Payne?

He will be the last one to see Maddie alive after 5.30 p.m., when she leaves the crèche. He meets Gerry playing tennis and asks him about Kate and the children. Gerry answers that they are in the apartment and he goes there. He returns 30 minutes later. Kate says it was 30 seconds. There is something not quite right here.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

If you read the links bath theory posted lsat night you will see it goes a lot higher than a Commons clerk.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab are you following Claudia's translation of Amaral's book on her blog?

Ecolab said...
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Ecolab said...

ICTOAN
Yes , I`m following Claudias translation

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

Those sort of images are really disturbing. Fortunately although I think them I do not see them.

docmac said...

Claudia is finished, probably in more ways than one. Thank you, amiga. You are a STAR xxxxxxxxx!

I need some food! I could not eat while refreshing the page all the time.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Whats it to be tonight, Crocodile or
Buffalo.

docmac said...

Pizza, lol!

Cláudia said...

Doc, give me 2 slices of your damn pizza. And I need to pee.

docmac said...

Go pee then, I don't share pizza. Not with anyone ;-)

Cláudia said...

You little weasel. :p
I'm too tired to insult you in a creative manner.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

I made sure your name appeared on 801. I was difficult as I had to fight off someone else who was trying to claim it,

Cláudia said...

Thank you, ICTOAN. :-))))

ICantThinkOfAName said...

I have a degree in being 'obsequious'.

docmac said...

Who might that be, ICTOAN?

I actually feel quite tired after reading those amazing revelations from GA's book strangely enough. I suppose it didn't help that Claudia was e-mailing me every 5 minutes either, telling me she's had almost 3000 hits on her site tonight :-)))))

I'm going to print it out, take it to bed with a jug of Milo and ponder...

Goodnight everyone. Thanks again C.
See you tomorrow.

docmac said...

Sorry, amiga, I forgot: xxx!!!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Sleep well Doc.

docmac said...

You posted on 3A ya bitch!!!

Thanks for the warning! Taking over my bloody thread!! Well, I ask you! I'm not bloody tired now, I'm fuming!!!!

Boa noite champ!

Ecolab said...

WHY WERE THERE NO SHEETS ON THE TWINS BEDS?

Had the twins just been placed there before the PJ arrived? or

were the sheets used as some sort of cloths ?

docmac said...

Everyone must have thought I was being serious there. Cleared the room in a flash that did. I'm sure Claudia knows exactly what I meant :-)

Nite all.

Ecolab said...

nite doc
see ya tomorrow ;-))

bath theory said...

nite doc

bath theory said...

In terms of the sheets I have just finished the summer studying Ancient Egyptians

bath theory said...

Eco, didnt you think the couple looked very 'cagey' when they made their 2 minute tv statement on Monday evening

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

In The past there has been talk of a shroud for the body.

Cláudia said...

Doc, lolololol
xxxx

Ecolab said...

bath theory:
Ancient Egyptians . . . , it reminds me of a murdercase, where the carpet was missing!

I have`nt seen the tv statement on Monday evening. Sometimes those tv parades are hard to find, for me as a foreigner.

ICTOCAN: It is the first time I hear of the sheets!
Yes, as a shroud for a body inside a tennisbag

hope4truth said...

Hey Claudia

Looks like thanks to Doc sharing your brilliant translation talents with the 3As your site is a hit... Thanks for all the hard work you have put in letting us one language only English plebs ( I speak for myself LOL) what is going on...

I copied and pasted some bits onto word and printed it earlier for some people and after reading it they said it was sickening reading it in black and white. Once the book is available here it is going to shock allot of people.

The spin we have been blasted with over the last year has been sickening and I think anyone taken in by it may start to question like we have been..

Keep up the good work I would give you a box of chocolates if I knew where you were (but as I dont I will eat a box and think of you) xxx

Cláudia said...

Hope, thanks.
I could use a box of chocolates now. 'Box of chocolates' always reminds me of Forest Gump and Tom Hanks . :-)
Now I'm gonna eat! :-)

hope4truth said...

Claudia the chocs are lovely do you fancy a caramel?

To late I ate it LOL

Yes Life is like a box of chocolates...

Your site must be heaving enjoy your food will go and have a look xxx

bath theory said...

once again well done Claudia

bath theory said...

and talking of shrouds and tennis bags any mention of blue tennis bags yet Claudia?

Cláudia said...

Bath Theory. I read it all. No, no mention of it.
Thank you all guys.
Eating now.

docmac said...

Claudia's translation is right at this very minute on page 1 at Digg.com. Ranking higher than Barack Obama!!!!! These things fluctuate pretty fast, but 3A posters are 'digging' like crazy!

GO GONC!!!!!!

GO CLAUDIA!!!!!

Can I have your autograph please?

Cláudia said...

Doc, lololololol
No, but I bet you would love an autograph from Amaral :-)

docmac said...

No!! He uses sardine blood as ink. I want yours :-))

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral does not sleep. He waits.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral has two speeds. Walk, and Kill.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral lost his virginity before his father.

docmac said...

Concalo Amaral ordered a big mac at burger king and got one.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral can sneeze with his eyes open.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral once ate a whole cake before his friends could tell him that there's a stripper inside of it.

docmac said...

And finally, most worryingly for the McCanns:

Goncalo Amaral killed two stones with one bird.

Cláudia said...

Doc, lololololol

docmac said...

Quentin Tarantino was asked to direct an upcoming biography about Goncalo Amaral. He passed it up. He was too frightened.

docmac said...
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docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral grinds coffee beans with his teeth and boils the water with his stare.

docmac said...

For the younger posters:

Goncalo Amaral CAN touch MC Hammer.

docmac said...

Superman wears Goncalo Amaral underpants.

Cláudia said...

Doc, stop making me PMSL!!!

Cláudia said...

Doc, Paulo Reis told me: GA had nuts the size of watermellons! lololol

docmac said...

Some kids can piss their names in the snow. Goncalo Amaral can piss his name in concrete.

docmac said...

Paulo should know, I guess!?!?!?

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral turns on a night light when he goes to bed. It's not because he's scared of the dark - it's because the dark is scared of him.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral can divide by zero.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral doesn't play God. Playing is for children.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral can speak Braille.

docmac said...

Here you go Claudia, for your friend Mr Reis:

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse actually live in Goncalo Amaral's nutsack.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Doc You don't get a prize for 901.

Last night on here there were some interesting posts by bath theory about Operation Ore and its possible linkage to the McCann case,

At the moment on 3A they are going over this ground with some contribution which perhaps are open to problems on a public forum.

docmac said...

Goncalo Amaral knows where Carmen Sandiego is.

docmac said...

If paper beats rock, rock beats scissors, and scissors beats paper, what beats all 3 at the same time? Answer: Goncalo Amaral.

docmac said...

Thanks ICTOAN. I'm waiting for BT's e-mail addy from Viv to discuss it further.

Link on 3A? Do you have it, or just the name of the thread?

Not looking for 901. Just thinking out loud about how Amaral has the Mcs by the short and curlies and finding it pretty good payback for all the McCannites.

docmac said...

I'll go and look for it. Sleep well.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Doc

Operation Ore - is this the reason?

Its been going for a few days and I am on p.12 of 12.

The moderators are getting nervous and it may be pulled selectively of entirely.

page I am on is:

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=18978&st=0&sk
=t&sd=a&start=165

Cláudia said...

Doc, you're hilarious! lololol

docmac said...

Got it, thanks.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

I think I will curl up with Bettany Hughes (her book on Helen Of Troy).

Good night all.

docmac said...

Nite ICTOAN

Right, this is the only one that is 100% mine and the last for the night:

Goncalo Amaral single-handedly built the pyramids at Giza, using only his bare hands, a six inch long piece of string and a pair of nail clippers :-))))

docmac said...

Oooohhh!! Today's Sun:

DEVASTATED Kate and Gerry McCann are to launch a legal blitz in Portugal after the publication of a scandalous book about the disappearance of their daughter Maddie.
In The Truth Behind The Lie, ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral details ludicrous allegations about the couple and the pals they dined with when Maddie vanished in Portugal last year.

The McCanns plan to take action against Amaral, Portuguese newspapers which reprinted parts of the £10 book and bloggers who discussed it.

Got your Imodiums Claudia? lolol!
Can't wait to see them actually go ahead!!!

docmac said...

Ludicrous allegations, eh? It's in the files, McScamms!! Ding ding ding! Seconds out, round number 2!

Cláudia said...

Doc, lolololol
Give me the link!

docmac said...

This post on 3A includes the link.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I'll see you in jail! lololol

docmac said...

You bring the cake, I'll bring the file. lolol!!

I'm gone.....

Cláudia said...

Doc, I'm actually starting to think they're desesperate. They don't think they can sue because people comment a book, do they?

docmac said...

I think they actually do, Claudia. And it just shows you the type of people they are. Not worried about Maddie, just the cash. It's been that way since they 'trademarked' her. Sad, hey?

You think I'm worried? Fuck 'em!!!!

docmac said...

Claudia look for my mail to you on 3A and follow the advice therein.

Cláudia said...

Doc, I just did.
I don't know how it is in the UK, but here in Portugal suggesting that someone can be sued because they read and commented a book is just laughable. It may be different in other countries...

bath theory said...

Docmac
Viv still hasn't replied and given it to me Doc. Do you think she went out for a walk and the bogeyman carrying a blue tennis holdall got her !!!

:)

bath theory said...

Ecolab

Some very good news here today in the UK. We had a by-election yesterday to replace an outgoing Member of Parliament. The person retiring had a 22 per cent lead over the next challenger at the last election. In other words it was Labour's 25 th or so SAFEST seat. Yesterday in Glasgow East the people sent a huge message to Gordan Brown and the labour party. Labour lost this huge majority and it means the labour members who have majorities start to get even more twitchy about the leader who is leading this country despite not being voted in. A political commentator 3 wks ago said if he loses this he is finished. How serious is this defeat for Gordan Brown?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7524663.stm

bath theory said...

The European Human Rights Law has a section for Freedom of Expression so purely commenting or expressing ones views based on a book would get nowhere. Blimey are all book clubs going to be monitored by local police officers now !!!!! :)

'Excuse me Madam I understand you have a bookclub operating out of this address. Please be so kind as to disperse the occupants immediately and throw all the cakes and nibbles in the bin. By the way do have an alcoholic license to serve beverages in the comfort of your own front room'

bath theory said...

I guess what I am saying is when/if Brown & Labour goes then it makes it a lot easier to right some wrongs.

Right off to play football in the garden

Di said...

Morning all

Doc..

Sue bloggers for discussing the book LOL, and where is the money coming from, not the fund I hope isn't that there to help FIND MADELEINE or have they forgotten.

I still havn't read all of Claudia's translation but what I find interesting so far is that many of the forum myths, that the pros labelled ludicrous, were infact true.

BT Let's hope you are right re GB, enjoy your football.

Off out know but will look in later.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Good morning all

Everybody is shaking in their boots about the threat to sue.

They are aren't they?

(whispering in my ear).

Oh! OK!

I suggest a look at the comments on Claudia's blog by Niza starting at 23.29.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

I expect Tom & Jerry are rejoicing that Labour have been beaten in the by-election and their patron Maggie Broon (as I believe he is known in Scotland) humiliated.

It keeps the launch of Amaral's book off the front pages.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

dylan

I hope you are OK. We haven't heard from you since the early hours of Thursday when you were feeling so low.

I am confident that I am not the only one worrying about you.

Please if you are reading, post something to tell us how you are!

Ecolab said...

Once many years ago - I read about a case, where there were more suing than the Mccannan case!

It was back in the 60`. I were reading a Donald Duck and the old rich uncle were suing The Hole World for a raindrop on his coin.

I think, The McCanns lost contact with reality 15 months ago(sue me)

ICantThinkOfAName said...

ecola

If you haven't seen it all ready, i think you will be interested in the

Is it Payne

thread on 3 Arguidos.

bath theory said...

Sky news is laying into Gordan Brown. Not directly but its reporters and articles relating to the by-election are making him look a laughing stock. They are not holding back. the sharks are circling ... He won't be there in ayear's time. Not long to wait to ensure Madeleine's voice is heard more clearly.

bath theory said...

Sorry! they are laying in directly now.

:)

bath theory said...

Brown biographer Julia Langdon

'... Brown is not psychologically suited to be Prime minister. He doesn't have many friends in Westminster...'

Kay the reporter says '... we are talking about him as if he has no hope. When they get a new leader ...'

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

Have a look at the comments to the Madeleine Story on Sky News website.

Wow!

bath theory said...

Julia Langdon is an author and broadcaster who has been writing about politics since 1971. She was the first woman to chair the organisation of parliamentary lobby journalists at Westminster. She is working on an analytical biography of Gordon Brown.

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, can you provide the link to sky? Thank you.

Guys, if you stop hearing from me it's because I've been sued, tried and convicted! :-)

bath theory said...

This is the link Claudia

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Madeleine-McCann-Maddie---The-Truth-Of-The-Lie-A-Book-By-Ex-Police-Chief-Goncalo-Amaral-On-Sale/Article/200807415052005?lpos=World%2BNews_2&lid=ARTICLE_15052005_Madeleine%2BMcCann%253A%2BMaddie%2B-%2BThe%2BTruth%2BOf%2BThe%2BLie%252C%2BA%2BBook%2BBy%2BEx-Police%2BChief%2BGoncalo%2BAmaral%252C%2BOn%2BSale

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Claudia

Have also provided this on your blog.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-
News/Madeleine-McCann-Family-Lawyers
-Hope-To-Get-Access-To-Police-Files/
Article/200807415055784?lpos=UK%2B
News_0&lid=ARTICLE_15055784_Madeleine
%2BMcCann%2BFamily%2BLawyers%2BHope
%2BTo%2BGet%2BAccess%2BTo%2BPolice
%2BFiles#

bath theory said...

This is the article that appears on SKY, yes on SKY NEWS.. great stuff, the tide is turning


'...Former police chief Goncalo Amaral, who wrote the 224-page book, insists Madeleine is dead and believes she died in the apartment where the family were staying.

He criticises the McCanns, their friends, Gordon Brown and the British police.

Mr Amaral was in charge when Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos, or official suspects, so readers may question his agenda.

He was later removed from the case after speaking out against UK officers and he then retired.

In the book, he accuses the McCanns of neglecting their children and questions why they needed a professional spokesperson. Why was their public image so important to them?

They and their friends, he writes, gave conflicting statements of who did what and when during their meal on the fateful night.

And he questions how one friend, Jane Tanner, could have noticed such detail of the suspect she says she saw carrying a child near the apartment.

Mr Amaral also attacks Gordon Brown for trying to influence the investigation to the benefit of the McCanns.

He says British police were slow to provide information asked for and took six months to pass on a potentially vital witness statement.

A request for Madeleine's medical records was ignored, he writes.

The book's publishers remind readers that Mr Amaral was a successful detective and top of his class of police cadets 27 years ago.

But they make no mention of the perjury charge he faces over another missing child investigation.

Maddie - The Truth of the Lie, priced at 13 euros, is being launched at one of Lisbon's top department stores, where Mr Amaral will be signing copies.'

bath theory said...

ICTOAN

Brown is crumbling if the main news channels no longer feel threatened by his power.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

Did you caqtch the Is it Payne thread on 3A?

If you find it too time consuming access this link:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-
magazine/features/826056/the-
establishment-paedophile-how-a-
monster-hid-in-high-society.thtml

Ecolab said...

ICTOAN

Everything on the 3arguidos is very interesting right now.

I overslept this morning due to too much reading last night and lack of sleep. When I arrived at work, the morning-breefing was almost at its end, and I had to breef myselv by reading what have happend since the day before! I did`nt get my coffie served, but had to get it myself in the kitchen.

As it is The McCanns fault, I have been thinking suing The McCanns??

bath theory said...

Ecolab, count me in. I know a great barrister and a couple of Judges so maybe we should go for them in a private porsecution and get Claudia to bring amaral over here. Bet that would make Sky News !!

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

According to what I've read on 3A you are not alone in wanting to sue the McCanns.

bath theory said...

The point is it is absolutely clear now the extent of how Brown being in power has aided this couple from the usual media probing. His scottish connection or worse if the dark stories are true. Either way if he is crumbling for sure the media will waste no time in turning against him and righting the madeleine wrongs by delving further into this case. They are very good at turning 180 degrees and taking former favourites down.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

It is an interesting concept of yours about the press and GB.

The allowance of comment on Sky must must be more than a coincidence after yesterday's election result.

Cláudia said...

ICTOAN, thank you for the link.

Are these people trying to embarass themselves by threatning to sue bloggers? Rosiepops says I can be sued for translating the book. She doesn't even know what a book translation is. I summarised the book in English. :-) Does that mean Sky News will also be sued? lolol

bath theory said...

ICTOAN

The spectator article is chilling

bath theory said...

What laying into Brown tells me is that the media & the specific political reporters want him out. They know loads of gossip on these people and who knows they may know stuff about the McCanns that have upset some just as it has upset us. Most would have children one would think.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

I agree about the Spectator article.

I'm flitting between 3 blogs so apologise in advance if I don't quickly respond to you.

Ecolab said...

The Payne - story is bringing the McCanns down like "the collaps of a house of cards."

David Payne has to break the pact of silence or voluntarily bee the Patsy

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Fiona Payne And Dr David Payne Virus Warning

I've just found this by alan69 on 3A

"I googled Payne and his wife. After 10 minutes of googling around I found and then downloaded a Word file from a legitimate looking website, with the words NHS in the title and the words 'Fiona Payne meeting''.

This file is a trojan virus, my Norton has gone completely mad over it.

It is as a Virus that relays your computers information back to a third party, which may included keystrokes.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DOWNLOAD THIS WORLD FILE."

bath theory said...

Spot on Ecolab

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

Are you having any difficulty accessing this blog?

bath theory said...

Docmac
There is a very simple procedure you can do if you know how to do it and it gives you telephone numbers of people. I am ex directory and yet mine is on this file. I have narrowed our large lady friend who use to talk a lot down to one of five numbers. I am very tempted to call but have decided not to yet. Tell Viv to send me your e-mail and I will let you know how to do it. I think she must be either living it up with Claudia having a break or bumped off by GM.

bath theory said...

This blog no. Remember F5 is very useful to refresh. Try that.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

I can't access the last page of this thread except by clicking onto Post a comment on its first page and reading the window.

I wondered if with so few people posting today this is a common problem.

Perhaps there is a need to start a new thread?

bath theory said...

Fantastic . SKY news is really turning up trumps for the first time allowing the counterpoint to be written by Martin Blunt and the comments to stand. Comments like this one

'...From Amarals book, something really stood out for me.There was a sighting of what was thought to be Madeleine at a gas station on the 4th May last year I believe.When Kate was informed she would have to go to Portimao police station to look at some CCTV that was captured, Kate looked frustrated and bored :(\nWhy wasn't she full of hope? What did she know that the PJ investigators did not know? \nWhy is the UK media not reporting on this? Why is the UK media protecting the McCanns. WhO are they? \n\nCome on the British press, get some back bone and start reporting on the FACTS. That is all that people want. There is a little girl that cannot speak out and needs someone to do it for her,NOW! Please, do it for Madeleine!'

Keep it up SKY

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Family-Lawyers-Hope-To-Get-Access-To-Police-Files/Article/200807415055784?lpos=UK%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15055784_Madeleine%2BMcCann%2BFamily%2BLawyers%2BHope%2BTo%2BGet%2BAccess%2BTo%2BPolice%2BFiles#comment

ICantThinkOfAName said...

After over an hour the problem seems to have disappeared.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

From what I can understand the posters from 3A have been swamping the web site.

Di said...

Hi ICTOAN

Viv did say before she went away that someone should start a new thread. Go for it.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

di

Yes she did but I know not how!

Di said...

ICTOAN

Don't look at me I havn't got a clue :o(

Just got back in have I missed anything of great interest as not here for long, thanks.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

di The most significant development is Sky website allowing anti-McCann postings. The postings are the sort to be fond on3A which isn't surprising as the posters are from 3A.

Bath theory and I are of the opinion that last night's election result may "have loosened the chains that bind".

BTW I am a little worried that nothing has been heard from dylan, I posted about midday asking her to get in touch. So far no response.

J J said...

Help!

Am I doing something wrong? The Sky site says 'Page does not exist'

Or has it been pulled?

If it is still up and running, please talk me through it in words of one syllable.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

JJ

Try the long link I posted at 16.14

Di said...

ICTOAN

I asked Dyl if she was OK on Thursday eve no response.

Dyl please let us know you are ok, we are all thinking of you.

ICTOAN. Sky allowing anti postings, that has got to be a first. Could the tide be turning!! I hope so.

IMHO anyone reading the book would find it very hard to believe there has not been a cover up and I have not finished reading all of Claudia's translation yet.

I do hope justice is served, for Madeleine, I am sure we are going to hear much more in the coming days.

Clarence has gone very quiet.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

J J

Sorry 16.40.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

di

I don't know if it has been pulled, jj is having difficulty and I haven't tried recently.

Some of the postings were very extreme and I would not be surprised if they had been pulled.

I did post 6 of them on Claudia's blog this afternoon.

Di said...

ICTOAN

I have not had a chance to go on Claudia's blog today, I will have a look tomorrow.

If the comments have been pulled of Sky I guess Clarence is still around :o(( Or Sky News are themselves worried.

Must go now, enjoy your evening and I will catch up tomorrow. Hopefully after reading the rest of the book extracts on Claudia's blog.

bath theory said...

go to

www.sky.com

then
press

news

then

home news

scroll down and you will find Madeleine

bath theory said...

sorry under 'UK News'

bath theory said...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Family-Lawyers-Hope-To-Get-Access-To-Police-Files/Article/200807415055784?lpos=UK%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15055784_Madeleine%2BMcCann%2BFamily%2BLawyers%2BHope%2BTo%2BGet%2BAccess%2BTo%2BPolice%2BFiles

highlight the above and then press Control + C then drop it into the space where u type the web pages and then press control + v . Then just enter and bingo , its there

J J said...

Thanks everyone.

I eventually managed to get into the Sky site.
There were only about 20 comments, all anti but none extreme. There was one from Claudia.
Maybe they have updated the comments or just deleted the ones they really didn't like.
Or maybe it's just me being a computer idiot.
Now I know how to do it, I will try again tomorrow and see if there are more. Thanks again

ICantThinkOfAName said...

jj

I don't know if these are the ones you've seen, I posted these earlier on Claudia's blog"

I too would like to see the press publish the details of the accusations against Payne. They shouldnt be afraid to print this as it was an 8 page statement given to Leicestershire Police. But im sure good old Clarence will instead call them outrageous and hurtful lies\n\nGood on Amaral for publishing his book. He's not cashing in on the poor child at al l -it's the only way the world will find out what really went on in the investigation.
Posted By :jus me Report This

From Amarals book, something really stood out for me.There was a sighting of what was thought to be Madeleine at a gas station on the 4th May last year I believe.When Kate was informed she would have to go to Portimao police station to look at some CCTV that was captured, Kate looked frustrated and bored :(\nWhy wasn't she full of hope? What did she know that the PJ investigators did not know? \nWhy is the UK media not reporting on this? Why is the UK media protecting the McCanns. WhO are they? \n\nCome on the British press, get some back bone and start reporting on the FACTS. That is all that people want. There is a little girl that cannot speak out and needs someone to do it for her,NOW! Please, do it for Madeleine!
Posted By :pleia Report This

When is this circus going to end ? Mccann sucking a lollipop while PJ are checking a sighting of madeleine. One of the tapas reported for strange behaviour by two doctors..Information held back from PJ which may have been crucial to the case. FSS three months later doing a U Turn about DNA results. Mccanns having personal phone calls with Gordon Brown. England has become a cesspit of corruption...It seems we can neglect our children and lose one along the way with a nod and a wink from Gordon Brown...it is time this can of worms was opened to the public....Lets see what really happened to madeleine on the night of the 3rd...Does anyone care??????
Posted By :Dan Report This
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I really think the police in England and Portugal need to investigate the serious accusations that have surfaced about the McCann's friend David Payne and Gerry McCann himself. I think the answer to solving this case lies with the McCann and friends' circle who were there in Portugal on the night that Madeleine "disappeared", I cannot say "abducted" as there is absolutely NO evidence of an abduction but plenty of evidence of death in that apartment, the Mcs know exactly where Madeleine's body is, In My Opinion
Posted By :GC Report This

There is NO need for the McCanns to have a PI team. They had the police forces of Portugal and UK. They had specialists all supplied by the tax payer. Best thing McCanns can do is pass THEIR PI files over to PJ (in their entirity) and see what has ACTUALLY been done by them!\nFSS results U turn? /Eddie & Keela doubted!/ rotten meat/spilt fish/dirty nappies in the car tyre well?? PLEASE !!!\nFailure to do a reconstruction...a swarm of top celebs and financial backers..a missing sports bag?...oh yes WHAT else is missing: THE TRUTH about their daughter Madeleine's disappearance.\nA total cover up I suspect: what on earth were they doing leaving 2 year olds and a 3 year old alone and allegedly on many occassions?\nWe all parent differently?...THANK GOD yes I do very differently!
Posted By :Amber Report This

I was saddened to read that the McCanns left poor Madeleine crying for over an hour 2 nights before she disappeared. Yet they still went out every night to enjoy themselves.\n\nI am quite amazed that this has been dropped even though:\n\nA couple gave a disturbing police statement about David Payne regarding a previous group holiday \n\nBritish sniffer dogs (who have never given a false positive) found blood and death odours behind a settee and on Kates clothes\n\nThe dubious activites of their investigators -They specialise in debt collecting and do not usually look for missing children...I'd like to know where the fund money goes every month??\n\nNot to mention the fact they hired a top extradition lawyer as soon as they got back to England. Why do that if you are innocent???\n\n
Posted By :Paula Report This

ICTOAN

Ecolab said...

I wonder, if the Tapas 9/10 still are "Best Mates"?

I wonder, if the pact that bonds them together, is becomming more like a hold on one another?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

The latest "revelations" certainly puts the who group under strain.

In view of what has been muted about Payne and Gerry it possibly puts a new meaning on what Mrs Webster is supposed to have used for staying at the table when Kate raised the alarm.

"I thought is was another of their games",

What sort of games?

Ecolab said...

Games...hmnnn... let me see

Partnerswift?
Monopoly?
Education of minors?
Strip Poker?
Minigolf?

A mix of one or two games?


I know, that you know, what I think ;-))

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

I don't think you're wrong.

What do you think of the change of attitude of Sky allowing "antis" to dominate their website.

bath theory said...

The point is we all wondered why Mrs Webster was there. Maybe there was a good reason why the mother wanted her mother there as well.

ICantThinkOfAName said...

BT

Give me a clue.

Ecolab said...

ICTOAN

Regarding Sky I think:

1) The story does still sell papers and this NEW angle certainly does.

2) Sky does`nt like Mr. Brown.

3)Letting the antis be the mouthpiece until the tide arrives.


This all is in RANDOM order ;-))

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Ecolab

I don't think the order is important.

Ecolab said...

ICTOAN

What do you think (regarding Sky)?

ICantThinkOfAName said...

Murdoch

The owner of Sky and some of the UK newspapers fancies himself as a "kingmaker". His newspapers helped Blair to power as in the past he helped Thatcher.

I think he is getting ready to change horses again although I am not sure if he is after a change of leader or a change of party.

Today is his first move. Madeleine is irrelevant. Its the signal to Brown that he has had his day.

In My Opinion of course.

Cláudia said...

Good night, all.

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