11 Jan 2009

MAY 2007 MASSIVE PAEDO RING INFILTRATED BY COPS

At the time of this report 50 arrests were made but 130 suspects identified...80 still at large. I wonder if it had anything to do with the Maddie case because the timing seems rather close! We do know that CEOP had a high degree of involvement in the Maddie, maybe they still do!


Police can be aware of criminal suspects for a long time until they think the time is right to make arrests. During this time suspects may be completely unaware they are under surveillance. However, Langham thought he was pretty smart. As soon as he heard of Operation Ore he reported to police his computer had been infiltrated by bizarre images and emails knowing the police may have him under surveillance. Unfortunately for Langham, or actually very fortunately ! the police had already been aware of him for THREE YEARS!



Librarian of child abuse networking site jailed indefinitely

Cradle of depravity

A UK man who ran an online child abuse image library that served as a meeting place for paedophiles was jailed indefinitely on Monday.

Philip Anthony Thompson, 27, of Stockton-on-Tees, was convicted of holding a library of 241,000 indecent images of kids, ranging in explicitness from the borderline legal to clearly obscene. Judge Michael Taylor described Thompson as a "dangerous offender" who would be placed on the sex offenders register for the rest of his life.

Thompson pleaded guilty to 27 charges including 16 counts of making indecent images, seven of distributing images of child abuse and one count of inducing a child under 13 to engage in sexual acts, PA reports.

Thompson will serve a minimum of three years and nine months, but will only be released when authorities are convinced he no longer presents a threat to youngsters. His entry on the sex offenders register means he will never be allowed to work with children.

Police said 50 arrests have been made and 130 suspects identified in the UK alone during the investigation into the child abuse ring centered around invitation-only sites run by Thompson. Outside Britain a further 230 suspects have been identified in countries including the US, Australia and Canada.

Undercover cops from the Metropolitan police infiltrated the ring in May 2007, in what became one of the largest investigations of its kind by British police. Officers from Cleveland Police and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) were also involved in the case.

Members of the forum run by Thompson would initially post images of children of borderline legality. These served as calling cards indicating that they were open to trading explicit photos and movie clips. The approach was designed to keep the site from attracting attention, allowing it to exist as a forum for child abusers to meet others with similar interests. Once connected, users exchanged images with each other and discussed plans for more abuse.

Thompson was unemployed at the time of his arrests and taught himself how to run the forum he operated, PA adds.

CEOP chief executive Jim Gamble said: "This website - whilst appearing to operate on the margins of legality - was clearly a front for the sinister, sexual abuse of children and an image-trading ground for paedophiles."

The investigation has resulted in the removal of 15 children from situations where they have been or might be abused by offenders, the BBC reports.

Det Chief Supt Mark Braithwaite, from Cleveland Police, said Thompson played a key role as a conduit for child abusers to meet and exchange images.

"He was, essentially, the librarian for a myriad of images that were distributed to like-minded individuals both in this country and elsewhere." ®

51 comments:

viv said...

From an online leaflet explaining the holistic approach of CEOP in tackling an insidious and international problem where money is frequently a major issue, offenders "travel abroad to abuse children" :


The operations faculty seeks to tackle both the abuser and
those who exploit and abuse children for financial gain.
Working closely with police forces in the UK and
internationally, CEOP Centre investigators can run single
or joint investigation teams or act as advisors to law
enforcement officers in another country when investigating
child sex offenders and suspects who travel abroad to
abuse children.
Whilst a number of operations target the offender, the
financial investigations team uses powers under the
Proceeds of Crime Act (2002) to permanently seize the
assets of those criminals who have made money from
creating and distributing images of child abuse.

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

Heartbreaking, but good to know there are operations in force with police forces determined to catch these b......s!

Good also to know they can permanently seize their assets - they should rot in jail and never be released into the community. The safety of children is more important than their cherished human rights, which they should forfeit for their dastardly crimes against children.

JUSTICE FOR ALL ABUSED CHILDREN WHEREVER THEY ARE

bath theory said...

Well it is certain the McCann's are still being watched and bugged in my opinion. As a nation and as human beings we are fundamentally against anyone who hurts and neglects children. In this case the actions of the couple have either allowed harm to occur or led directly to harm.

One has to seriously question why given the above there has been no journalistic protest. In short, why are the journalists not protesting when only one viewpoint is being allowed to be railroaded in the press. When this occurs there is a specific reason as to why. There has to be a very dark reason for this or indeed a very simple reason.

The head of the COI was seconded to this couple 'in the background' and then took over as their permanent 'media enforcer' thus the above question is answered isn't it.

One last thing, there is a play at the Old Vic which is called COMPLICIT. By coincidence it is just along from where the COI is based. Kevin Spacey and Richard Dreyfuss star. Read the write up and reviews. Well worth going to see me thinks.

hope4truth said...

Morning

Peadophiles cant be cured they think their sick kicks are something children want to happen and will be fine with (which is why I find Gerry's sick comments about her being in the hands of a peadophile ring but having no reason to believe she has been harmed) so offensive... What kind of man would think she would not be harmed if that is where she is????

Reading the McCann files yesterday I re read the article about Madeleines new aged picture with a lovely smile the "Expert" Jovey Mae said....

"Even in the worst possible circumstances it would be impossible to imagine that her life today is totally bereft of even slight happiness," the expert claimed.

I find the above quote totaly unaceptable what this person is saying is basicaly even in the hands of a peadophile ring abusing her on an hourly basis she will be slightly happy???

It seems to me that people are being allowed to play down just how sick and twisted peadophiles are since Madeleine went missing... The drama unfolded as she was missing and the word peadophile was banded about as if it was a better option than anything else that could have happend to her....

Something Evil happend in PDL starting the first night that a group of so called profesional people decided the kids were able to take care of themselves while they had fun....

To see pictures of Madeleine aged is a good thing to see a smile on her face is Evil for an expert to say "Even in the worst possible circumstances it would be impossible to imagine that her life today is totally bereft of even slight happiness," makes Madeleine look like all is well and she is having an adventure which once again signals to some gullable public that if they give to the fund they can bring her home...

There is no place in the world for Peadophiles they should not be dressed up as ok and children should be left in no doubt if they are being abused it is not ok and they should speak out as soon as they get the chance it is not their fault it is the sick adult who is abusing them who needs locking up...

As long as this charade goes on children are at risk Karen Mathews was so stupid luckily she was found out and Shannon is now in a better place but if she had not been so stupid I wonder how many other children would have suffered for some free cash and z list celeb status???

Justice for Madeleine McCann and all Abused Neglected and child victims...

bath theory said...

I believe the main reason why Baby P died and was not taken into care is because of the sheer amount of children who TRULY are at risk. Either severe emotional trauma or physical or a combination of both.

Just imagine how many children would need to be taken out fo their own houses if it was known how many are being sexually abused, emotionally wrecked or physically being beaten up. Tens of thousands in my humble opinion. That is the real reason I believe the power of the state does nothing. Better to hush it all up and tinker at the edges with fine words. Many many children at at risk and the system is overloaded. Not enough money or political will is directed at the government agenda that 'Every Child Matters' It matters to be seen to be doing something some of the time !!! We as a nation can find 600 Billion or whatever it is to paper over the cracks of the banks BUT cant find a fraction of that to wipe away the tears of the innocent who never chose to be born. ONE DAY THIS WORLD WILL WAKE UP !!

Cláudia said...

Good morning, all.
I know what I would like to do to those sick bastards, but I'll refrain from writing it.

bath theory said...

Morning Claudia. Como estas?

Cláudia said...

Let's just say paedos are a waste of oxygen and I'll leave it at that.

Cláudia said...

Olá, BT. I'm fine, thank you. Hope you're ok too.
I prepared all my food the day before. :-) Nobody got ill and there wasn't much food left. What I did a couple of days earlier was shopping, preparing and decorating. And inviting too. :-) It seems it was like a month ago! Back to work again.

bath theory said...

Well I am taking my boys out to a museum in London now so will catch up later. Cheers Hope and Claudia

bath theory said...

Yeah 3 per cent of the year gone already !!!!!

viv said...

Hiya guys

Did you pick up that so many of these perverts come from US, Canada and Australia. I think it is a bit of a coincidence that so do some of the most extreme "Pro McCanns"..

Nancy, I have copied the latest comments from the Psycho blog onto the last thread and the address so you can have a look at this extraordinary stuff. You see I am not just running this blog and posting on 3 As, I am "wide tracking" them as well whatever that means! Who would actually want to post with them, even as an anon!!

I note you do see the point I have been making about them being prosecuted for negligence here, it is just completely impossible and even if it were would let them off the hook.

Going back to the above article, the Proceeds of Crime Act is relevant to seising the assets of those involved in any sort of fraud. I doubt setting up a limited company with directors would make much difference to that!

The article does stress that sometimes police may be aware of offenders but are literally snowed under with the sheer volume of an investigation but just like Langham get there in the end. I think this is what we need to bear in mind with the Maddie case!


xxx

viv said...

Hope as ever darling I think you make a very pertinent comment:

what kind of man could suggest that Maddie could be in the hands of a gang of paedophiles but still be fine and coming back any time soon to the loving arms of her mummy and daddy - a man like Gerry McCann who just does not know right from wrong!

viv said...

Well my sincere apologies to Mr Bennett, actually he did used to be a solicitor but not a very good one by the sound of things or one who played by the rules, wanting to go it alone, as it were! No longer practising but actually he is!!

Anthony John Stuart Bennett

Application 8788/2003;
Admitted 1995;
Hearing 9 September 2003;
Reasons 20 October 2003

The SDT ordered that the respondent, of 22 Laceys Avenue, Leverton, Boston, Lincolnshire PE22 0BG (formerly of 66 Chippingfield, Harlow, Essex CM17 0DJ), who did not hold a current practising certificate, be reprimanded for unbefitting conduct in that he had failed to comply with a finding of inadequate professional serviced dated 20 July 2001, confirmed on appeal on 30 August 2001; he had failed to act in the best interests of clients in that he had acted for them in a private capacity thereby outside the scope of the Solicitors Indemnity Fund Rules 1995; he had acted in breach of principle 17.01 in that he had accounted to clients in a personal capacity and not as an employee of his firm, thereby failing to act with frankness and good faith towards his employers; and that as a result he had brought the profession into disrepute.

The SDT found that he had been misguided in the way he had approached his aim of helping people.

It was important that solicitors complied with directions of the regulatory body and did not ignore them merely because they disagreed with them.

The respondent had not previously appeared before the SDT and did not have a practising certificate.

He had indicated that he did not intend to return to the profession.

The SDT accepted the respondent's undertaking to comply with the decision of inadequate professional service within 28 days of the hearing, and would therefore not make the order sought by the applicant regarding the enforcement of that decision.

The respondent was ordered to pay costs of 3,000.

hope4truth said...

Oh Dear Viv

Just read Mums little foot stamping rant at you what a bitter old bag she is...

I know we go over the same thing again and again here but Madeleine is missing thanks to her parents NEGLECT and her parents who have laughed their way round the world and given the oddest interviews Kate often refering to things as You instead of I or we and the most important interview of all she refused to answer a single question..

What kind of evil bitch refuses to answer a single question for her child?

Most of what was speculated about on the DX was true Kate did neglect the twins to go all the way back to the bar to tell her tale (and none of the other neglecting parents bothred to check their own child was ok) that is one of the very damming things about their lies...

People are not sorry for the McCanns but are very sorry Madeleine had to have such useless and uncaring parents...

They have slunk away now Gerry has probebly been told that the pair of them should shut the hell up as every time either of them speak they look uncaring and liars...

Snow Patrol Chasing Cars was used in their apeal video it should be thier theme tune things will never change for them and they are basicaly saying If I lay here would you lie with me and just forget the world... Well Madeleine was well and truly forgotten in Gerry's blogs so the perfect song for them and poor Madeleine is shown a year younger than she was when she was snatched...

Chasing Cars lyrics

We'll do it all
Everything
On our own

We don't need
Anything
Or anyone

If I lay here
If I just lay here
Would you lie with me and just forget the world?

I don't quite know
How to say
How I feel

Those three words
are said too much
They're not enough

If I lay here
If I just lay here
Would you lie with me and just forget the world?

Forget what we're told
Before we get too old
Show me a garden that's bursting into life

Let's waste time
Chasing cars
Around our heads

I need your grace
To remind me
To find my own

If I lay here
If I just lay here
Would you lie with me and just forget the world?

Forget what we're told
Before we get too old
Show me a garden that's bursting into life

All that I am
All that I ever was
Is here in your perfect eyes, they're all I can see

I don't know where
Confused about how as well
Just know that these things will never change for us at all

If I lay here
If I just lay here
Would you lie with me and just forget the world?

docmac said...

Ola!

Still on the case I see!

Hello to all. Can't get on here regularly atm. Busy, busy, busy :-)) Hope you are all well. xxx

hope4truth said...

Hi DOc

Hope you had a nice christmas and all of you are ok xxx

docmac said...

Thanks Hope, same to you. See Viv has started a new topic now and I'm off so nobody else will see my post :-(

See you in a few weeks!

viv said...

Doc, the other thread is a bit tongue in cheek and suggest we stay on here although of course if people want to leave a comment that is their legal right:-)))

Hope, I like that "footstomping rant" you can just feel the rage I think! But when you look at the contribution this site has made to exposing the lies, abuse and hypocrisy of Kate, Gerry and their merry band of men, I suppose it is understandable! Do they not themselves tire of saying the same thing over and over "Viv is a pyscho bitch etc". They just sound completely unhinged! If they thought that Kate and Gerry are actually innocent why do they not constructively explain exactly why that is?

Maybe the first few lines from Chasing Cars is a fitting theme tune for the TAPAS 9, we will do it all on our own. Well we have read them doing at all, and I do not think they made a very good job at excusing the most serious criminal behaviour including sickening child neglect!

xxx

hope4truth said...

Viv

I think they have only just realised that they chose the wrong kind of campaign manager... Bullying and intimidation may work when people are trying to promote a product but when the welfare of a 3 year old "Missing" child is the topic they just come across as barking mad bullies....

Madeleine did not need a huge campaign sadly her image was all that was needed and it was broadcast everywhere beyond that there was nothing they could do. They cant have it all ways insisting people look for her when it is exactly what they have not done once...

Every Man on that holiday should have been out searching for Madeleine the second they were told she was missing while the woman stayed with their children and comforted Kate...

Kates reaction was alien she "knew" Madeleine had been taken and had not wandered off she could not possibly have known this even if the shutters had been open (and I think we all know that was one of the first lies) a 3 year old child can do many things opening a door even if locked is not beyond them (and they said the door was unlocked)...


Yet no one in that sad little group thought Madeleine was worth looking for so excuse me if a bitter and twisted biggoted bully wants to stamp her feet and say we say the same thing again and again can go to hell because until someone starts to speak up for Madeleine in the papers and in the legal system I will continue to say neglect is wrong and believe Kate Gerry and the rest of the T9 know exactly what happend to a beautiful 3 year old child and I cant think of a single leagal reason they would need to cover it up...

Children first and if people dont belive that then tough!!!!!

xxx

viv said...

Hi Hope

Well I am still being subjected to bullying and intimidation with certain "Pro" posters on 3 As telling me to just shut up. If they seriously believe I am going to give way to such intimidation then they do not know me very well.

I will continue to publically make the point that Kate and Gerry McCann are a couple of child abusers who have sought to get away with it by means of a sickening campaign. If they do not like me doing that then does my face look like it is bothered!

But so far as legal procedures against them are concerned, I will continue to abide by the law and leave that to those charged to deal with it!

xxx

J J said...

Hello Viv
I know you have been posting on 3 Arguidos. Firstly because you said so, and secondly because I even found a couple of your efforts.

I find that site very difficult to navigate. There is just so much to wade through I get lost very quickly.

Can I ask a favour. Please think of us computer idiots and give us a link.

Trying to look through everything on 3 Arguidos makes my brain hurt.

Thanks

viv said...

Interesting post from Wizard on 3 As but it almost raises as many questions as it answers!

In his statements OB says he went and had a chat with Jane and that is where he learned about this ahem sighting. I think what happened is that was when they decided what they were going to say! I do not think there can be any doubt from all of the evidence we have read, JT never made any checks at all that night.

But the really big query is this, in both their statements both Gerry and Kate immediately flag up to the police that Jane had made a sighting and she can tell you more about that. Now if he had been missing from the table at the same time that Maddie went missing why on earth would they go along with this fantasy claim when they obviously know Jane did not get up at all? When it clearly suggests that OB had something to do with Maddie disappearing, because they know full well he did and I am afraid, the sexual abuse point just does seem to be relevant to me. Only the men checked..

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I’ve always thought if JT planned with the McC’s this sighting, why did Gerry say he didn’t see her when she says she walked straight past him. Wilkin’s didn’t see her either. So if it was a plan what went wrong? Why was JT invisible when she walked up the road by apartment 5A and why did Gerry and Wilkin’s say they did not see bundleman? Gerry I can understand not confirming this story as Wilkins was with him and would therefore have contradicted his sighting and this might suggest collusion between himself and JT.

I think a more likely scenario is JT did not walk up the road and did not see Wilkins and GM talking she only finds out about Gerry talking to Wilkins when GM returns to the Tapas bar and announces it in a loud voice. What she in fact is doing is distracting attention from her partner who has no provable alibi for the alleged time of the abduction. Remember bundleman is the exact opposite of O’Brien which I do not think is a coincidence but an attempt to misdirect. This sighting is all about her partner.

viv said...

Hi JJ - I will do better that that, I will copy the entire thread and put it up as a separate post so people can see exactly what they think. There are so many instances of the behaviour of Mr Bennett very accurately reflecting the behaviour of Kate and Gerry McCann. He wants the public to send him money to his home address £10 for membership. When that does not open the flood gates we have this pamphlet. He has pointed out that his "Madeleine Foundation" does NOT have charitable status. Well whyever not Mr Bennett given you have such honourable intentions? I could go on but this man is a charlatan and a fake. He indulges in obsessive and compulsive behaviour against people taking the law into his own hands. He persists in the view, time and time again, once he gets his hooks into a righteous cause to fastidiously pursue that the police etc do not know what they are doing and cannot get a result, but he can. It is quite mind numbing arrogance!

viv said...

Correction I just cannot be bothered to copy the entire thread here, but this is the link!

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=26608

hope4truth said...

Viv

Their bullying campaign will not work because once I realised people could be so twisted and had to sell the story and to do this would try and intimidate I was not going anywhere...

As for people who could not put up with their foul abuse they may have left the blogs but they wont have changed thier minds about how they feel about what happend on the 3rd May 2007 when children on a family holiday were neglected night after night so their parents could go to the bar....

If this was exactly the same story with Karen Mathews as the star each and every pro would find her behaviour unforgivable and would be shouting from day one to have her arrested for neglect and not one of them would have bought her story if she had acted in the same way as the McCanns...

xxx

J J said...

Thanks Viv

Sorry to be a pain, but can you put a link each time there is a reference to 3 Arguidos?

That way I can read all the input without getting stressed.

viv said...

Hiya Hope

Sometimes the McCanns supporters have read almost like they hero worship Kate and Gerry McCann. It can come across that they are just completely bowled over by them, they are attractive (apparently), they live in a big house (mortgaged to the hilt), but above all these people are doctors. I just get the impression that some very working class people live a life so far removed from that of the McCanns they just look at them through rose tinted glass, the rhetoric goes, they are doctors for goodness sake, how on earth could they do anything wrong! I have just one thing to say to them, Dr Shipman! He relied very much on a working class community looking up to him, he actually thrived on this boosting his ego, he was just so superior. But in the cold light of day there is nothing superior about a criminal or a killer.

Bum, you really ought to stop this obsession with me, you are starting to sound like Tony Bennett, are you his wife! Have you fixated on some visitor to your boring little place and decided this is me, I am so sorry to disappoint you! But I did go there once when you were on the Daily Express and were bragging about your lovely place, I found it quite bizarre, actually! The place of some deluded person who just thinks they are sweet and wonderful. I think you had little garlands and butterflies or something around a picture of Maddie. You do not live in the real world do you?

Mum21 said...

It certainly is hilarious Chris. They are a bunch of idiots trying to act all innocent. Viv states she has never been on my site...but each time she visits she leaves her size 10 boot tracks behind her. Not only does it give me her IP address, Internet provider, computer system, size of screen resolution and home town...but it also tells me exactly which pages she visited, including my guestbook...and how long she remained on each page.

viv said...

JJ sorry yes I will try and post the links!

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Hope this is the right thread to post on today.

Nancy thanks x.

Below is an excerpt from a copied post by the pinkpooperscooper from the 05-Jan-2009 thread.

'people who tell lies and falsify documents are hardly in a strong position, because obviously they are unable to back up anything they say because they have been lying!'

Well I am PMSL at the above. Whilst reading that I was thinking: err yer know, umm, tongue click, I can't remember, err, err, yeah, yeah, had a mobile, did not have a mobile, had a watch, did not have a watch, "whoever" had one in "our"..."I" didn't "we" erm "we"..."my", it was a fa, it was a fa, it was a relatively full on sort of face, shutters were jemmied, doors were locked, doors were unlocked, can't remember if the door was locked or unlocked, can't remember who checked, well err um yer know! I could go on but if I did my heid wid bum like a peerie!

viv said...

Hiya Zodiac, you always make me smile:-)))

Speaking of which here is our Preshy last night (I believe almost certainly AKA Psychopops) telling some blatant lies on behalf of the TAPASNIKS again (hence some people understandably ask is it a SNIKS) and me and Claudia giving it a right old Daily Expressing and having a great laugh in the process. I love satire, powerful stuff that Pscyho never was fond of. Professional people apparently do not do anything healthy like having a belly aching good laugh! Well we must be the exception!

Boo Psycho:-)))

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Precious, why do you think Russell wrote out the timeline immediately, not including any check by Mat Oldfield at 9.30 and then another got wrote out with the word "Gerald" written on, this time with a 9.30 check suddenly appearing by Mat Oldfield? You see to most normal onlookers and I am sure, police detectives, this looks very dodgy indeed! I am sure their memories were very fresh at that time.


The police were there when the timelines were being written, so perhaps you should ask them viv ;)

Go look at the roggies if you don't believe me.



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Goodness me are you actually claiming the police sat there whilst they wrote two out, one contradicting the other?

I have read the rogs thanks!


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Goodness me are you actually claiming the police sat there whilst they wrote two out, one contradicting the other?

I have read the rogs thanks!


If you have read the rogs then you will have seen the statement that the police ASKED for a timeline. Whether they found it strange there were two copies or not is not recorded. But the idea the group concocted them and THEN called the police is simply not borne out by the evidence.


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Firstly you said the police were there when the timeline was written out, then you say they asked for a timeline, clearly contradictory but both wrong!

Note here the police officer is specifically putting to Russell there was a timeline "drawn up by the group". So what are your motivations for suggesting otherwise, exactly?

Russell is actually admitting here it was not a good thing to do!! Too right it wasn't!!


4078 “It was obviously very, very hard for you all. There has been a kind of a timeline that was drawn up between the group?”
Reply “Yeah”.
4078 “I can’t confidently say who did it or when it was drawn up, but what can you tell me about that?”
Reply “I think, the timeline has been sort of, you know, we all thought it was a good idea, you know, (inaudible) Gerry and Kate were there, you know, with the Police trying to sort things out and we were sort of, the rest of the group sort of were trying to make sense of it and do what we thought we could to help, so the timeline, we sort of said, if we write down everything then while our memory’s fresh we’ll remember what we did, you know, it should help, you know, it may help. Erm, and we then, we actually took it into the first interview and said, look, we’ve done this and they said, no, you can’t read from that. And, of course, you can understand now why it didn’t seem like a good idea, but at the time it just seemed like a sensible thing to do to try and get all our recall of everything that we’d done down as fast as possible. And I think there were various attempts, erm, and I think we sort of might, erm, I don’t know whether there was anything done on the night, but the next sort of day or two, certainly in the first two days, erm, we got together to go through it. But it was mostly us not Gerry and Kate, I think they, they might have contributed to it later”.
4078 “Okay”.
Reply “And we got a computer I think to write it down so we could hand it over”.
4078 “Okay. I think we are going to stop here. I need to collect my thoughts and go back and speak to the people monitoring to find out if, up until this point, we have missed out anything between us”.


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[quote="viv"]

Even Russel wasn't stupid enough to say that the Police asked them/ was there when they wrote the fiction story. :) Maybe that's because there would be more than a dozen independent witnesses who would contradict him in a blink of an eye.

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Hello my lovely!! >:D< >:D< >:D< :D

Well what a blatant attempt to pervert the course of justice! He goes to his first interview with the police to give HIS witness statement and he is armed with a group timeline that he wants to read out as part of HIS evidence. What the TAPAS as a whole have decided THEY will say as opposed to all the witnesses you point out who would be saying something different. The group rationale would be, we will be believed as a group if we get our timeline right. Tough!!!


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:D
I heard it was the Police who told them to justruin one of the kids' books and write the fiction on it. The Portuguese Police doesn't have paper. :D
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Apparently not.
Not any they were willing to donate, anyway.


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And I think there were various attempts, erm, and I think we sort of might, erm, I don’t know whether there was anything done on the night,

The police officer later gets him to reveal that in fact he knows full well there were two attempts done the night.

This is a man lying through his teeth about group attempts to pervert the course of justice, who from the very outset, were simply not prepared to just go along individually and tell the police what happened. They did not care one little bit about what had happened to Maddie, did they? It was about group lies to protect themselves!

But thank you Preshy for flagging up another area that clearly worries Team McCann. This in itself is enough for them to face charges and I am sure they will!


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:D
I heard it was the Police who told them to justruin one of the kids' books and write the fiction on it. The Portuguese Police doesn't have paper. :D
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Well you know Hun, that is just typical of the Portuguese Police is it not =)) =)) =))


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viv wrote:
Well you know Hun, that is just typical of the Portuguese Police is it not =)) =)) =))


Yep. Those bungling, incompetent police officers who frame every respectable British citizen who leaves the kids home alone obviously don't even know how to write. :)


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I just love the way they got Gezzlfixit >:D< to write "Gerald" on the second one that had, ahem, a bit of amending here and there, you know Hun for bumbling old PJs that was really rather clever =)) =)) =))


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Hey Preshy, you have gone rather quiet, are you going to go no comment again for five hours =)) =)) >:D<


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[quote="viv"]

:D They were inspired!


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I think they thought hello, hello, ola, this is a story on a kiddy's story book being really badly told :-o :D


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I think they thought hello, hello, ola, this is a story on a kiddy's story book being really badly told :-o :D

Something like that, yes! :-)

Boa noite, querida Viv!


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I am not going to comment with people who are being silly and childish, and evidently are unable to argue like adults.
Having seen the gang attack on the 'abduction' thread, why waste my time on those unable to debate like grown ups? #:-s

viv said...

oh and the link:

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=27322&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=240

viv said...

Hiya again, have people seen this it is just the most blatantly horrible piece of racism I have ever seen. "Prince" Harry hones the video camera in, in a room absolutely crowded out, on an Asian man lying on the floor resting as all the others are doing and states

"here is our little Paki friend, Ahmed".

Not only is it unlawful to discriminate in this way on the grounds of race, just what has this thug had drummed into his head during his upbringing to make him behave in this way. Now I am beginning to think him dressing up as a Nazi was actually a bit more sinister than I thought. Oh, and of course, any normal army officer would be dishonourably discharged for such horrible treatment of another human being, but no, not Prince Harry, no malice was intended!


http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html

J J said...

Viv.

but no, not Prince Harry, no malice was intended!

So that's alright then.

As we always knew, with the right connections. you just do and say whatever you like.
And no-one does a thing!!

There's a surprise!

viv said...

Hiya JJ

But I never heard of doctors being allowed to quite literally get away with murder or indeed serious child abuse.

Take the latest round of press about the McCanns. They desperately clung to a headline about this chap abusing Maddie at a party, but now a headline has been printed alongside that

"Most people believe they were involved in her disappearance".

If they were not so desperate they would not behave in such a desperate way. If the Police have just washed their hands of the case, why are they so desperate? Why are they not making books and films just like they wanted to and toddling off to the States to talk about their innocence on an American chat show? There can be only one reason for that, the Police have most certainly not given up on this case at all. Just wait and see!

Viv xxxxxx

J J said...

Fingers crossed !!

That doesn't seem much, but it's all we can do for Madeleine.

viv said...

Hiya JJ

Well very sadly yes, we cannot revive her or make her lot a better one. But neither can we take the law into our own hands. Vigilanteism is an insidious thing, innocent people have been targeted and abused. Guilty ones harassed and even murdered. I for one would never applaud such conduct. If we do not have faith in our own legal system we may as well pack up and leave!

But having worked in it, I can say it is not a perfect system. But it is a system that tries to get results and in the case of a murdered child, tries just more than you could ever imagine. Mr Bennett does not have access to the police file, does he! But I suspect there are a number of files on him!

I think we need to just keep on remembering LP have a file and so do many other agencies in the UK concerning Kate and Gerry and probably many more besides, but we do not know what is in it! We just have to wait until all is revealed. That is the system! Mr Bennett can rail against the system and be so convinced he can take it on but every time he is just a failure as the Law Society told him as well!

xxx

hope4truth said...

Hello Libs xxx

Zodiac said...

'If they were not so desperate they would not behave in such a desperate way. If the Police have just washed their hands of the case, why are they so desperate? 'Why are they not making books and films just like they wanted to and toddling off to the States to talk about their innocence on an American chat show? There can be only one reason for that, the Police have most certainly not given up on this case at all. Just wait and see!'

Viv,

Exactly!

Not a trace of a sporting hero or celebrity in their new appeal. They will imo use and abuse the leading young Tory activist who made a stupid mistake and as a result his political career is probably over before it really has begun.

Journalism (if you can call it that) like todays The Obsverer is imo so sickening!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -maternity

Barbara Ellen, The Observer 11/01/09: 'Moreover, in the case of Madeleine, haven't we all been asking for it? Madeleine is a vulnerable child, whose parents have been devastated by her disappearance. Yet the fact remains that Maddie the concept, the brand, has been fully absorbed into British culture for some time.'

Z: What about the devastation that Madeleine McCann the then 3-year old child who mysteriously disappeared may or may not be suffering? Does she not matter now to the Press/Media?


Barbara Ellen, The Observer 11/01/09: 'As for the rest of us, we reap what we sow.'

Z: Well the little child you fail to show compassion for in your article imo reaped what her parents sowed! And those that sowed failed to reap imo!

The missing child's parents were the makers of their vulnerable child's fate, imo. IMO they cannot blame others without blaming themselves and accepting responsibilty for their own actions.

Barbara Ellen, The Observer 11/01/09: 'the moronic, insensitive twerp'

Z: Whilst you cast aspersions such as your comment above about Matthew Lewis. What about the moronic, insensitive twerps who chose to leave their 3 little children then aged 3 and under alone in a holiday flat whilst they ate and drank in a Tapas Bar?

viv said...

Hiya Zodiac to be honest when I first read this para I took it completely the other way:

whose parents have been devastated by her disappearance. Yet the fact remains that Maddie the concept, the brand, has been fully absorbed into British culture for some time.

It just could be said this was having a bit of a sly dig at Kate and Gerry. After all who turned her into a brand, a concept to be absorbed into British culture?

Having said that I have actually gone right off The Guardian as a result of their coverage of the Maddie case and must confess, particularly when working as a probation officer used to really like the paper and discuss its contents at work!

Good job I left, it might have got a bit heated! Although I would imagine most PO's would hold a similar view to myself, maybe not quite so strong though!

Certainly the ones I still see do not believe the Mcs to be innocent and are particularly appalled at their negligent treatment of their children and like me just what it says in terms of the risks they pose.

xx

dylan said...

Good morning all,

Hi Zodiac, thanks for the article. This bit: 'Madeleine is a vulnerable child, whose parents have been devastated by her disappearance'. - what a very odd thing to say?!
All children are vulnerable, which is why we have laws to protect them. Maddie became a very vulnerable child when her parents neglected her. I wonder if BE meant that she was a very vulnerable child BECAUSE of her parents' attitude towards child care??!!

Viv, there was a Guardian employee posting on Troll's. I found her spiteful, but then that's the norm for posts on that site. I replied to a post of hers with the Guardian's own ethos which is: 'Owned by no one. Free to say anything.' It doesn't appear that they practice what they preach, and, strangely, my post never got published!

Reading through the topic of this thread, made me feel sick. Despite the fact that it doesn't go into any detail (thank goodness). I suppose that because I try not to think about such things, when you read about it, it really does bring it home to you just how revolting these paedophiles are. I still think that castration should be performed on them and a lifelong prison sentence. I know we have all said it before but how on earth can these scum think Madeleine is safe and unharmed in the company of such monsters?
I would never be able to smile again until my child was returned, and in a way, the truth about that night in PdL, would help many people because, I for one, can't bear to think about what she must be going through if she had been taken by a paedophile gang. :(

xx

hope4truth said...

Morning

Oh lol I forgot about Ena Guardian if she was a journalist I would be amazed... I dont think any paper would have wanted to be assosiated with the renatings and bullying on there. Any journalist posting would not bring their paper into the discusion and would know of all the sanctions against them priting things in the paper...

I remeber trolls avatar a pink and white cat smoking a spliff how tateful and respectful on the subject of a missing neglected 3 year old little girl...

Yes all this rubbish about her being safe and unharmed is again taking away Madeleines dignity to suggest she may be happy in the hands of a peadophile ring is sick and very twisted. I think the McCann's regret this story now they had no way of knowing that some childless woman did not take her or chance illeagal adoption gang the fact Kate knew she had been taken and they knew she was in the hands of a peadophile ring is them telling the world this is what happend send money...

To then try and say she has not been harmed makes them apear more heartless and as they neglected her on a nightly basis that is hard to do.

hope4truth said...

renatings mmmm I like that word of course I ment rantings but am not well so ignore my mistakes please x

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Hope hope you get well soon.

Lia x

dylan said...

Hiya Hope and Zodiac,

Hope, I haven't had a good renat in a long while ;-) Hope you get well soon and keep warm!

I've been trying my hand at oil painting but I'm not doing too well. I did a bit more this morning to it but I just keep making it worse! I'm hoping I can buy a frame that will take a canvas, that way I can cover the mess at the edges up - otherwise, I'll have to take it to a shop to have it framed and I'm too embarassed for a stranger to see my pathetic attempts!! Oh well, I will get on with some housework instead and do something useful!

xx

hope4truth said...

Hi Dyl and Zodiac

Thanks for your kind words I feel awful very sick but what a start to a diet...

Dyl buy a cheap picture in a frame that will cover the edges and a lot cheaper than buying a proper frame...

Hope you are all well xxx

hope4truth said...

Hi Dyl and Zodiac

Thanks for your kind words I feel awful very sick but what a start to a diet...

Dyl buy a cheap picture in a frame that will cover the edges and a lot cheaper than buying a proper frame...

Hope you are all well xxx

viv said...

Hope

Get well soon.

There are so few real truths in this case I suppose. Gerry says he checked the kids at 9 and Kate at 10. So there we have a truth, they very seriously neglected their kids. If they had been prepared to just admit that, then maybe the police and everyone else would have been prepared to believe that Maddie actually was abducted. But at the very least this gang were more concerned about not getting arrested for child neglect. So we see them write out a second timeline claiming that Russell also checked them at 9.30. The police came to the view that it would have been impossible for Maddie to have been abducted because of all of these so called checks. Whose fault was that??

Regardless of what really happened to Madeleine, what is abundantly clear is it was their fault and they precisely nothing to help the police, for that they will always have my condemnation. We know that even if we had neglected our kids in such a terrible way, you would still have done absolutely everything to help the police get your precious child back. But Kate just got nasty, made demands and rang a priest. They just make me sick.

But so does the repulsive Mr Bennett, what right does he have to print a book dressed up as facts? What right does he have to act like some vigilante harassing the McCanns. Cashing in just like they do. WE do not know the real facts anymore than Mr Bennett does, do we!

Viv x

viv said...

Oh Ena, Guardian lol on Troll's blog, I think her role was to point out to me time and again, I/we were libelling the McCanns. Shall we say it was not very well put!

xxx

hope4truth said...

LOL how can you libel the McCanns there were three suspects in her disapearence one put in the frame by their scummy friends and the others the McCanns themselves...

When a child is missing you dont lie about anything or refuse to answer questions well not unless you have something to hide you dont and it would have to be that the missing child is dead and beyond help because if you refuse to help or lie about anything and they really have been snatched then that is beyond evil...

Ena Guardian and a lot of the others all belive Gerry and Kate were wonderful for neglecting and lying they saw the same pictures of them looking joyful and happy and agree there is no evidence she has been harmed... Then tell us we are scum because Madeleine is in the hands of a peadophile ring and poor Gerry and Kate are suffering (but Madeleine will be fine not harmed and happy) sick the bloody lot of them...

viv said...

Hi Hope

I am afraid I feel just the same, "sick of the bloody lot of them". This is a matter for the Police not people who want to take the law into their own hands. I find the conduct of Tony Bennett really frightening and fear what instincts in certain people he may drum up.

Viv x