29 Jan 2009

THE FUND - MOTIVATION FOR A TERRIBLE CRIME/BRITISH STILL INVESTIGATING THIS CASE!!!


IT IS MICHAEL WRIGHT - THANK YOU 3 AS!!!
CAN ANYONE HELP?? WHO IS THIS MAN WITH KATE?

Caption in the Daily Mail, one of Clarence Mitchell's most tame British Papers:
PR push: Maddy's parents Gerry and Kate McCann are about to launch a campaign to win back public support, said a family friend and the story? Not quite so keen Clarence:

Tycoons who bankrolled Madeleine fund refuse to fund McCanns' legal defence

Last updated at 13:11 13 September 2007

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481518/Tycoons-bankrolled-Madeleine-fund-refuse-fund-McCanns-legal-defence.html

Well, would you support this man? This picture is symbolic IMO! Kate, faded into the background...
























Gerry's

favourite colour combination, dark blue top, beige trousers, just ask the whole of the Smith Family and Jane Tanner!

Wizard said...

Good Morning All,

Folling my post detailing the Madeleine Fund accounts yesterday I copy below today’s Daily Mail's opinion on the recently release accounts for the Fund I copy them below:-

"Where the £2m you gave to find Madeleine McCann has gone

The fund set up to help find Madeleine McCann raised almost £2million in the first ten months after she vanished, it was revealed yesterday.

The wave of shock and public sympathy that swept Britain after her suspected abduction led supporters to donate money at a rate of almost £260 an hour.

Accounts lodged with Companies House show the fund received £1.4million in bank donations, another £391,000 over the internet and £64,000 from the sale of T-shirts and wristbands.

In total, it received £1.85million in its first ten months and earned £33,424 in interest. It spent £815,113 on the search for Madeleine in that time.

This included £26,000 to fund the purchase of merchandise and £250,000 on the fees for private investigators.

But the accounts – which have been made public for the first time – have been published with a warning that donations had gone on to fall dramatically and were now ‘significantly lower’ than in the immediate aftermath of the three-yearold’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007.

Support for her parents – Kate and Gerry – was rocked when Portuguese police named them as suspects, and when it emerged they had used public donations to pay two £2,000 instalments on their mortgage.

Madeleine vanished from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, while her parents ate dinner at a nearby restaurant with friends.

The accounts provide a fascinating insight into the surge of support the family received, but also the costs of their worldwide campaign to find their child.

The fund’s biggest expense in the first ten months was £250,000 spent on private investigators hired to try to find her, including the Spanish agency Metodo 3.

Agency boss Francisco Marco boasted he would find Madeleine within three months, but his ‘leads’ seemingly came to nothing and the firm is no longer involved with the hunt.

The fund spent £123,573 on campaign management, which is believed to include the salary of the McCanns’ temporary spokesman Justine McGuinness and the fees of a PR agency.

A later spokesman, former BBC journalist Clarence Mitchell, had his salary paid by one of the couple’s wealthy benefactors.

The fund spent £111,522 on legal fees and expenses and £81,904 on posters and television and newspaper adverts appealing for information about Madeleine. Mr and Mrs McCann, both 40, set up the fund in May 2007.

Legal restrictions meant it could not be set up as a charity, so it is run as a not-for-profit company by a board made up of McCann friends, colleagues and relatives.

Mr McCann’s brother John is its chairman and wrote a foreword to the accounts. He said: ‘As expected, the level of donations has fallen over time, although we have a number of loyal donors continuing their support.’

He went on: ‘However our expenses are ongoing and likely to increase . . . The release of the police investigation files has enabled our investigative team to access a wealth of new information to be followed up, resulting in increased search and investigation activity.

'We will continue to ensure that Madeleine is not forgotten and will leave no stone unturned in our continued search for her.’

The accounts cover the months from May 2007 to March 2008, when the fund had £1.05million remaining in its coffers.

It has since been boosted by several libel payouts to the McCanns and their friends, the so-called Tapas Seven, which they donated to the fund.

The McCanns were cleared as suspects last August.

Their spokesman Mr Mitchell said: ‘People will be able to see that every penny of the money they so generously donated has been spent properly in the hunt to find Madeleine.’"

and just as we rather belatedly get last year's account up to April 2008 the other bombshell for the McCanns, yes, it is official, British Agencies continue to investigate them:


Organised & International Crime Directorate
5th Floor Fry Building, 2 Marsham Street, London SW1P 4DF
Switchboard xxx Fax xxx Direct Line xxx E-mail xxx
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk
Ms xxx Our ref: xxx
xxx@xxx
Date:28th January 2009
Dear Ms xxx
RE: FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST
HOME OFFICE MATERIAL RELATING TO MADELEINE MCCANN

I am writing further to my correspondence on the 16th December 2008. We are now in a
position to offer a full reply to your request. I would like to apologise for the length of time it
has taken to respond to your request. This delay has been due to giving full and due
consideration to the public interest test together with the necessity to consult with other
agencies.

It is noted that your request was to essentially seek information for any record or document
or extract thereof reporting or evidencing that neither of the parents of Madeleine Beth
McCann possessed any credit card or debit card from any financial institution during the
period 25th April 2007 and 12th September 2007. You additionally requested any record or
document or extract thereof reporting or evidencing that the alleged affirmation was made by
any official of the Home Office to any police officer in the Leicestershire Constabulary and
failing the existence of any written record whether such affirmation was made verbally the
name of the official(s) and the recipient officer(s). The request was also seeking information
of any record or document or extract reporting or evidencing the credit card or debit
transactions made by the parents of Madeleine Beth McCann between the 4th May 2007 and
21st July 2008.

Your request for information has been considered under the Freedom of Information Act
2000 (the Act) and we are now able to provide you with a substantive response to your
request.

Section 1 of the Act places two duties on public authorities when handling requests. The first
of these duties, provided at s1(1)(a) is to confirm or deny whether the information requested
is actually held by that authority. The second duty is for that information to be disclosed
where it has been confirmed that it exists. This is provided under s1(1)(b).

The Home Office can neither confirm nor deny that we hold information relevant to your
request as our duty under s1(1)(a) does not apply by virtue of the following provisions of the
Act:

* Section 27(4) – prejudice to International Relations;
* Section 31(3) – prejudice to Law Enforcement activities; and
* Section 38(2) – endangering Health & Safety.

This letter therefore also serves as a refusal notice under s17(1) of the Act.

Furthermore, the Home Office will not comment on any of the information contained in
Goncal Amaral’s book, ‘A Verdade da Mentira’ as it would potentially undermine ongoing
investigations.

There are a number of sensitivities relevant to your request, given that Madeleine McCann is
still missing and the investigation is still ongoing. Confirming or denying whether any
information is held could undermine the investigation, prejudice international relations and
could endanger the health and safety of members of the public.

We have considered public interest considerations in making our decision and we have
attached these to this letter. We believe that, at this time, the public interest strongly favours
neither confirming nor denying that the information you have requested is or is not held by
the Home Office.

This response should not be taken as conclusive evidence that the information you
have requested either does or does not exist.

If you are dissatisfied with this response you may request an independent internal review of
our handling of your request by submitting your complaint within two months to the below
address quoting reference xxx

Information Rights Team
Information and Record Management Service
Home Office
4th Floor, Seacole Building
2 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DF
Or email: xxx

During the independent review the department’s handling of your information request will be
reassessed by an official that was not involved in providing you with this response. Should
you remain dissatisfied after this internal review, you will have a right of complaint to the
Information Commissioner as established by section 50 of the Freedom of Information Act.
I realise that you may be disappointed with this response. However we have considered
your request with great care, and the Home Office always seeks to provide as much
information as it is able to.

Thank you for your interest in the Home Office.
Yours sincerely
xxx
Team Leader
UK Central Authority

Public Interest Considerations

s.17 – Refusal of request

(1) A public authority which, in relation to any request for information, is to any extent
relying on a claim that any provision in part II relating to the duty to confirm or deny is
relevant to the request or on a claim that information is exempt information must,
within the time for complying with section1(1), give the applicant a notice which -

(a) states the fact,
(b) specifies the exemption in question, and
(c) states (if that would not otherwise be apparent) why the exemption applies.

s.27 – International Relations

(1) Information is exempt information if its disclosure under this Act would, or would be
likely to, prejudice,

(a) relations between the United Kingdom and any other state,
(b) relations between the United Kingdom and any international organisation or
international court

(4) The duty to confirm or deny does not arise if, or to the extent that, compliance with
section 1(1)(a) –
(a) would, or would be likely to, prejudice any of the matters mentioned in
subsection (1)

s.31 – Law Enforcement
(1) Information which is not exempt information by virtue of section 30 is exempt
information if its disclosure under this Act would, or would be likely to, prejudice-

(a) the prevention or detection of crime,
(b) the apprehension or prosecution of offenders,
(c) the administration of justice,

(4) The duty to confirm or deny does not arise if, or to the extent that, compliance with
section 1(1)(a) would, or would be likely to, prejudice any of the matters mentioned in
subsection (1)

s.38 – Health & Safety

(1) Information is exempt information if its disclosure under this Act would, or would be
likely to-

(a) endanger the physical or mental health of any individual, or
(b) endanger the safety of any individual.

(4) The duty to confirm or deny does not arise if, or to the extent that, compliance with
section 1(1)(a) would, or would be likely to, prejudice any of the matters mentioned in
subsection (1)

Harm and prejudice

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is still ongoing. There are
significant unknowns in relation to her disappearance. Leicestershire Constabulary are the
lead force in the UK dealing with this investigation but the principle investigation agency is
Policia Judiciara (PJ) in Portugal. We believe that significant harm to the investigation could
result from either confirming or denying that we hold the information you have asked for.

Should this investigation lead to a prosecution, saying whether or not this information is or is
not held by the Home Office would risk undermining the human rights of any suspect to a fair
trial and the rights of a victim, particularly if the prosecution would fail due to such an
announcement.

If the Home Office was to either confirm or deny that it did or did not hold any information that
was gathered in the course of this investigation, it might risk compromising the conduct of
this investigation. This could ultimately prejudice the administration of justice. In any event,
to confirm or deny that any such information that was or was not obtained in the course of a
criminal investigation, either voluntarily or through compulsory powers, ought not to be
generally disclosed, save as far as it is necessary for the purposes of establishing or
defending rights in litigation.

There is consequently a strong public interest in ensuring that evidence is not contaminated
for any future trial. In addition there is a strong public interest to preserve relations with the
Policia Judiciara (PJ) in Portugal whilst Madeleine remains missing.

Two of the Home Office’s objectives are to support the efficient and effective delivery of
justice, and to lead visible, responsive and accountable policing. The manner in which the
Home Office works to support the Police Service as a whole is one of our core business
functions.

If the Home Office prejudiced such a high-profile and sensitive investigation by confirming or
denying that we either do or do not hold any of the information that you have requested, we
would be seen as working against the efforts of both UK and Portuguese policing authorities,
undermining their determined efforts to locate Madeline McCann and her assailants. This
would not be in the best interests of the public..

Any prejudicial effects to these ongoing investigations could jeopardise the health & safety,
of Madeline McCann, in that it might significantly affect the chances of her being found.
There is no actual public interest served in releasing information that may jeopardise the
health & safety of any individual.

There is a strong public interest in the UK maintaining the arrangements it currently enjoys
with other States in matters of judicial and mutual legal cooperation in criminal and other
matters. Any act that would prejudice this investigation may discourage other States with
complying with reasonable requests issued by the UK or from pursuing legitimate
investigations in the UK for fear that the product of such requests or investigations may be
disclosed to private citizens.

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Wizard said...

We are being told there is £600,000 still left in the fund (I think there’s more ie. interview fees, Tapas 7 libel donations etc) but if you look at their published accounts they spent on campaign costs etc £673,366 and a further £141,747 on administration expenses = £815,113. A little over a third of this was actually for physically searching for MBM. With such high overheads can the fund realistically still make searches? Should John McCann be going back to his former employers, cap in hand, asking for his old job back and surely Clarence’s nice little earner days must be over soon.

Unknown said...

Perhaps I would just add this, I think Maddie gave the impression of being a generally abused and unloved child. When questioned about did Maddie bleed in the apartment, have any injuries, he did not want to comment. Kate also had visible sign of physical injury. They kept away from the rest of the group throughout that holiday, why was that?

I have an incredibly low opinion of Gerry McCann, needless to say!



xx

Unknown said...

Hiya Wizard

My impression of those accounts, and I confess, I hate figures, is that those costs are so high because built into those figures are a lot of measures that are not actually designed to find Maddie at all. They are defensive measures to perpetuate the myth that Maddie was taken by some random predator and for legal costs that just did not need to be spent.

Where is the £100,000 that Branson gave them to go see solicitors and defend themselves in September? Are there two funds, because they certainly talked about setting up two funds, when the Directors announced that it would not be appropriate for the Mcs to use that fund to defend themselves, even though Gerry thought that it would? There was talk of setting up a separate defence fighting fund but in the early stages the fund was actuall referred to as the fighting fund before it was realised of course the name gave it all away!

There are huge sums of cash that must have been paid over from multiple interviews and TV appearances, it is not clear what has happened to all of these although I accept clearly some came after the cut off point for these accounts in mar 08. Plus the McCanns have been very clever to avoid taxation on these payments, they have always got both court settlements and payments from TV companies and the like to make "a donation". In that way the Mcs can dip into the fund but it does not go into their personal wealth for tax purposes. In short it seems to me it is a fraud on the Inland Revenue as well! If the money is intended for their "support" or to pay for their "legal defence costs" it is not in reality a "donation" to help find Maddie is it. Apart from that I believe the police will ultimately prove the intention for theft in that they never intended to use that fund to find her anyway. Metodo 3 have actually admitted that, their brief was to obfuscate and confuse the PJ by sending them off having to pursue numerous false leads, created by Jiminiz who is now in custody on other matters.

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

I can see what you mean about the media, and the Contempt of Court and Human Rights Acts coming into play, and of course the media shouldn't be seen to be compromising justice because everyone deserves a fair trial, but surely this wouldn't prevent the media from seeking answers to so many questions people just like ourselves are asking, in view of the mystery surrounding this whole case.

For instance why not ask things (which are not accusatory) like:

Why are the McCanns still using a spokesperson by the name of Clarence Mitchell when they are not officially arguidos any more and are quite capable, as professional people, to talk for themselves. The money spent on his earnings could go towards finding their daughter if they are so convinced she is still alive.

Why didn't the McCanns and the tapas pals not go back for the reconstruction.

Why did they not physically look for Madeleine themselves.

Why did they and their pals leave their children alone in a strange country to go out and enjoy themselves.

Why are all their stories full of inconsistencies.

Why are they not offering via the world wide media the rest of the fund available for the safe return, or the whereabouts of Maddie's body.

Why did they 'assume' that Maddie had been abducted straight away when they knew she could easily have got out of bed to try to find them. Kate saying - 'They've taken her', or now it seems she said 'Madeleine's been taken' - surely you would first think to search the arear before assuming the very worst.

Surely questions like that wouldn't be construed as libel, contempt of court, or against their human rights because they are all feasible questions.

The media should be there to look for the truth and they don't need to accuse the McCanns of anything, but just do some journalistic probing; otherwise just what are they there for.

I would just love to see Madeleine found alive and well, although even if she is, she is not going to come out of this unscathed is she?

I find it hard, after all this time, to believe she is still alive but would love to be proved wrong.

Let's hope this poor little girl gets the justice she so deserves and very soon.


Nx

Wizard said...

Viv, spot on when you say:-

“If the money is intended for their "support" or to pay for their "legal defence costs" it is not in reality a "donation" to help find Maddie is it.”

If we were privy to a breakdown of the accounts I believe what you say would be proved right.

Unknown said...

Well if I am just blackening their name they could always sue me:-))

But yes, that is the way it looks.

Tax avoidance : legal

Tax Evasion : illegal

xx

Wizard said...

What surprisingly the accounts do not show is remaining stock value, also purchases of items for the fund’s administration which still retain a value and should be shown in the accounts. Items like computers, printers, cars etc. These items would belong to the fund and still have a value which is normally included in all published accounts.

I not sure I explained that very well but the accounts are not as transparent as Mr Pink suggests if the value of holdings are omitted from the accounts. I certainly can’t believe they have bought nothing for the fund.

Unknown said...

One could imagine someone had a company car out of it!

But yes the assets should be separately valued, I suppose they would just say there are none really, we just used our own phones computers etc

£80K for posters, it would have been cheaper to print their own! No one saw them anyway! It all looks very smelly! Transparent as you Clarissa!

xx

Unknown said...

Come to that Wiz you obviously know more about accounts than me, but should they not list directors fees and remuneration, staff wages etc?

xx

Wizard said...

Viv, thanks I just could not think of the word assets – and of course what I was on about was the funds assets which should have been shown.

hope4truth said...

Viv

I am not sure about the account breakdown but if you pay for a copy of the accounts of the company on Equifax it should tell you the highest paid director and other staff payments xxx

Wizard said...

Yes salaries are a legitimate expenditure and are normally shown in the annual accounts separately. It is unusual that they are all lumped together as management costs. Yet again I would query Clarence’s claim of transparency.

Wizard said...

Hi Hope - so what we have is just edited highlights?

Unknown said...

I was just looking at this document which is helpful on guarantee companies where the object is not to make a profit and generally there are unpaid trustees acting who simply receive expenses, but sometimes special provision can be made for payments. As you say Hope probably need to go to Companies House for the full Articles etc!

http://www.sfsgo.com/guaranteecompany.asp#7

Not hot on company law!

xx

Unknown said...

bbl xx

hope4truth said...

Wizard

They have lumped things together to try and make themselves look good...

I think the fact that out of all the money they have spent only 250k has been used for searching and most of that paid to a fraud investigation firm it speaks volumes about how important looking for Madeleine is to them...

Uncle John is bleating on about donations drying up yet they still have over a million pounds to spend...

It is not rocket science they have hardley ever promoted the reward money have run a poster campaign and no one I know has ever seen a poster so lets face facts Uncle John is not the right man for the job...

Madeleine requires no lawyers or legal representation at all in fact any legal work for her would be provided for free...

People donating in the begining did not do so to pay the McCann's Mortgage or to pay to spin the facts and certainly if they have made themselves look suspect by not answering questions did not want to pay to get them off...

Someone in the office said they did not spend a lot searching for her did they I replied well they never bothered looking for her the night she went missing so why would they pay a fortune to do so? He laughed and when I said I was not joking none of them searched for her and told him where to read the facts I wont repeat what words he used but I dont think he feels they are nice people...

dylan said...

Hi all,

I am feeling a little under the weather today so please excuse me!

Nancy, well said, on both posts. They tie-in nicely with what Wizard has said about the accounts. A shocking amount of money has been spent on things that really didn't need to be "bought" and will not be helping to get Madeliene back. For eg., the huge expense on the web site. Somebody said in the DM comments that they could have designed a better website for a fraction of the cost and a cup of tea! Not a very good analogy, I know, but if you have ever seen Jurassic Park, the owner of the project (Richard Attenborough) sits there in despair and says that there was no expense spared. Ie., how could so much have gone wrong? Elly points out that whilst millions have been thrown into it cosmetically, it is still a "flea circus", an illusion. It illustrates the point that no matter how much money you throw into something, if there's no thought behind it then it is wasted. In fact, I believe the McCanns put a lot of thought into where to spend the money and they thought we would all buy the illusion that they were trying to get Maddie back with it. Not true IMHO. Sell the house, do everything on a shoestring, stop trying to defend your asses (if you're innocent you don't need to), get rid of the PR guy, he's useless anyway and go and actually search for her. BTW, I haven't seen a single poster of Maddie, anywhere.

Viv, re the dog thing again (sorry), Newperson on 3as has put a lot of time in to thinking about this. She said that whilst it is true that Eddy can alert to old blood, there were places that he alerted to and Keela didn't. This means that the alert was to cadaver since you can have a cadver odour without blood. Also, I think it too much a coincidence that if it were old blood, why only in the McCanns apartment and on their personal belongings and nowhere else in the complex and on no other car? I think that if Maddie didn't die in 5a, this can only mean that the odour was planted to frame them and I doubt that too. I do, however have to agree, that I can't see how Gerry could have disposed of a body, either on that night (especially) without being seen, or any other time, weeks later.

Isis, glad to "see" you and that you are well. RP and gang seem to be obsessed with people's IP adresses. All seems to be a bit creepy to me!

xx

Wizard said...

I've just got a set of the complete accounts off 3a's all 10 pages. Just having a look at them now.

dylan said...

Thanks Wizard.

Do you think that if they receive a donation that is not specified as "fund", that they can legitimately not declare in the fund accounts?

xx

Wizard said...

Hi Dylan,

Well there's accounting and creative accounting.

hope4truth said...

Hi Dyl

They all seem obsesed with IP addresses dont they what do you think they plan to do with them???

Couldent give a damn where any of them are posting from they are not the sort of people I would ever wish to know as they seem to hate children so much and worship evil scum who have murdered them (Leonor)...

Well their media monotioring was strange I bet if you asked any parent who was in the terrible positiong of having a missing child none of them would want or need this service...

xxx

Wizard said...

Having just had a look at the full published accounts it doesn’t tell us much more than we already knew. The Trust’s assets are only listed as cash on deposit in the bank and any salaries to individuals paid are still lumped together under campaign management.

The funds objectives are listed as to. “Ensure the safe return to her family of MBM who was abducted in Prai de Luz" etc. Not forgetting of course. “To provide support, including financial assistance to Madeleine’s family."

Anonymous said...

Haunted by Maddy's disappearance, Kate McCann spends three hours a day trawling files Exclusive by Rod Chaytor 31/01/2009

She is consumed with the hunt for her daughter. every day she will spend 3 hours reading documents, looking for the vital clue which will answer the question that has tortured her and Gerry for 21 agonising months. Where is our missing Madeleine?

YET SHE DID NOT PHYSICALLY SEARCH FOR HER MISSING DAUGHTER ON THE NIGHT OR THE FIRST FEW DAYS OF HER DISAPPEARANCE. SHE LET OTHER PEOPLE DO THAT THEN COMPLAINED THAT NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE HELPED!

Kate McCann sips her tea and then turns another page from the mountain of paperwork, looking for the one clue that could spark a breakthrough in the search for her missing daughter.

SHE THINKS SHE WILL FIND THE CLUE! IS SHE SAYING SHE IS BETTER THAN THE PORTUGUESE POLICE? IS SHE SAYING SHE IS BETTER THAN THE BRITISH POLICE? IS SHE SAYING SHE IS BETTER THAN INTERPOL? IS SHE SAYING SHE IS BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER AUTHORITY THAT WAS INVOLVED? THIS COMING FROM THE MOTHER WHO ALONG WITH HER HUSBAND MADE THE CONSCIOUS DESICION TO LEAVE THEIR 3LITTLE CHILDREN ALL THEN AGED 3 AND UNDER ALONE NIGHT AFTER NIGHT IN A HOLIDAY FLAT WHILST THEY ATE IN A TAPAS BAR WITH THEIR FRIENDS!

As her twins Sean and Amelie enjoy playing with friends at nursery, their 40-year-old mum combs through thousands of police documents stacked up in 17 massive files hoping to latch on to any nugget of information such as the names of witnesses that were never interviewed.

WELL AS SHE SIPS HER TEA AND LOOKS THROUGH HER MOUNTAIN OF PAPERWORK WHILST HER REMAINING CHILDREN ARE BEING LOOKED AFTER ELSEWHERE! I HOPE SHE LATCHES ONTO OR EVEN HAS A LITTLE NUGGET OF A REALITY CHECK THAT IF SHE AND HER HUSBAND HAD PUT THEIR CHILDREN BEFORE THEIR OWN SELFISHNESS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A MISSING CHILD!

Raw pain is still sometimes clearly etched on her face. But this is Kate’s life now.

YES WE KNOW IT IS ONLY SOMETIMES WE'VE SEEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT PROVE THAT! IT IS HER LIFE NOW BECAUSE HER SELFISH ACTIONS HAVE MADE IT THAT WAY. WONDER WHAT LIFE HER MISSING CHILD IS LIVING IF SHE IS STILL ALIVE!

No longer working as a GP, she has dedicated herself to the task of unearthing clues that will lead her to her daughter Madeleine who vanished 21 months ago.

CAN SHE WORK AS A GP GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED ON HER MAY 07 FAMILY HOLIDAY? SHE APPEARED NOT TO HAVE A CLUE HOW TO BE A RESPONSIBLE PARENT ON HER MAY 07 FAMILY HOLIDAY! WHAT MAKES HER THINK SHE WILL BE THE ONE THAT WILL FIND THE CLUE THAT WILL LEAD HER TO HER MISSING DAUGHTER? YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT DISAPPEARED WHILST SHE WAS EATING HER DINNER AT A TAPAS BAR!

A family member said: “She is there virtually every morning. It’s her routine for two or three hours every day while the twins are in nursery.

YET SHE DID NOT RETURN TO PORTUGAL TO HELP WITH A RECONSTRUCTION WHEN ASKED! SHE DID NOT EVEN ANSWER THE 48 QUESTIONS THE PJ ASKED HER!

“Sometimes I feel she is exhausting herself. I wish she would take a break. But she won’t listen. She is driven, consumed with the task and the goal of finding Madeleine.”

ERR SHE DIDN'T LOOK WHEN SHE FIRST WENT MISSING!

While the agony of not knowing where Madeleine is or what has happened to her eats up Kate and husband Gerry,

WELL THEY KEEP SAYING VIA THE PRESS/MEDIA THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT SHE HAS COME TO ANY HARM AND THEY BELIEVE SHE CAN BE FOUND ALIVE, WELL AND IN GOOD HEALTH DESPITE THEIR CLAIMS THAT SHE WAS SNATCHED TO ORDER BY A PROFESSIONAL PAEDOPHILE RING!

the couple still have to provide a normal family life for Sean and Amelie. Tomorrow, the twins celebrate their fourth birthday and their parents will make sure it is a special day full of fun, laughter, gifts and games.

I AM SURE THEY CAN PUT ON A BRAVE FACE. I HAVE SEEN THE PICS ON WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN M's 4th BIRTHDAY!

But, inevitably, one heartbreaking thought will haunt the couple throughout: “We never got to do this with Madeleine.”

SHOULD THAT NOT BE MADELEINE NEVER GOT TO DO THIS?

She vanished nine days short of her own fourth birthday from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, as her parents ate at a tapas bar with friends.

WHILST THEIR 3 CHILDREN ALL AGED 3 AND UNDER WERE LEFT IN THE HOLIDAY FLAT WITH NO SUPERVISION!

This year, the twins will start school – another milestone Madeleine never reached.

She had been due to start at Bishop Ellis Catholic Primary at Thurmaston, Leics, in September of the year she vanished.

Kate has reached folder number 15 of the 17 she is searching through.

She will doggedly plough on line-by-line through the daunting pile of paperwork, forensically noting, computer filing, cross-checking, never giving up hope of stumbling across the key to her daughter’s whereabouts.

Her desperate actions echo Gerry’s words to the Mirror in his last UK interview in May last year as the Portuguese police closed their file. Back then, he vowed: “We’ll find her ourselves.”

So far, their hunt has been without success. But every new scrap of information gives the couple fresh hope that they will be reunited with their little girl.

The family member added: “Kate has already found evidence overlooked by police and the names of witnesses never interviewed.

IS THAT WHY SHE IS RETURNING TO PORTUGAL THEN?

“On a day that happens, she is upbeat, positive, cheerful. When she comes across something negative however, she is down.

“Of the two of them, Kate is the most fragile. Her mood can change quickly.

“But she remains strong, resolute, determined to find Madeleine. Till the day she dies, she will never give up.”

According to friends, this has been Kate’s daily routine for the last six months since the Portuguese authorities lifted the couple’s arguido suspect status and handed over the written record of their bungled investigation.

IS THAT WHY SHE HAS NEVER STATED PUBLICALLY HOW SHE KNEW JUST KNEW M WAS ABDUCTED. YOU KNOW WHEN SHE SAID ON TV IF SHE COULD SAY SHE WOULD AND THEN EVERYONE WOULD KNOW JUST KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT! SEEMS FROM MY READING OF THE DVD AND ROG INT's SHE DID NOT EVEN DIVULGE THAT INFO TO THE PJ EITHER!

For Gerry, too, the work involved in finding Madeleine has become a second job. The 40-year-old heart consultant leaves home before 8am for the cardiac unit at the Glenfield Hospital on the outskirts of Leicester.

Despite his demanding work schedule, he strives to be home by 6pm to join in the nightly bath and bed routine of the couple’s twins.

WELL IF THEY HAD LOOKED AFTER THEIR CHILDREN PROPERLY THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE LIFE THEY HAVE NOW. HOWEVER MORE IMPORTANTLY IF THEY HAD LOOKED AFTER THEIR CHILDREN PROPERLY THEIR DAUGHTER WOULD NOT BE IN THE SITUATION SHE MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN NOW!

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

Exactly...

Lets all feel sorry for poor Kate she lied she laughed she never searched she refused to answer a single question but now she is looking throught he files...

I bet she bloody is she is terified someone may have fingered her and Gery...

This bit gets me...

She vanished nine days short of her own fourth birthday from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, as her parents ate at a tapas bar with friends.

9 days short of her birthday so in fact 9 days after she vanished we witness the pictures that are at the top of this page Joyus happy smiling people...

Not something anyone with a missing child could pull off as life would be crap and they would be worried sick...

xxx

dylan said...

Thanks for all of your work on the accounts, Wizard. I find that I like the term 'creative accounting' in this case!

Hope, no idea about their obsession with where people are, what sort of computer they own etc. but it is very disturbing! Creepy, stalkerish and gives me the goosebumps! Bet they know what we have for breakfast too ;-)

Zodiac, thanks for your comments on Kate's "ordeal". I second them! I also notice that the PJ are still branded as bungling. Oh boy am I sick of this!

xx

Di said...

Hi All

Viv

You are causing quite a stir on 3A's. Thread Did Gerry abduct Maddie go and have a peep.

Hi Isis

Good to see you.

Di said...

Zodiac

Well said.

nancy said...

And what devastated and haunted mother could let her remaining children go to a nursery, where another evil predator could find out they were there. I know I wouldn't let my children out of my sight. But then these are celebrity parents and probably have security guards at the nursery or something to make sure the twins are safe - if not they are taking a terrible risk in my opinion.

bath theory said...

A while ago we discussed the twins at length over many days. I teach in a Catholic primary school and I am convinced the cold shoulder will be operating by a significant number of parents when the twins start. I would actually ask direct questions if I was standing there next to them and I would look them straight in the eye as they answered. A point here is the Vatican's website backed away extremely quickly didn't it and they never got the personal appearance they so desired. They met him extremely briefly as he wandered down a line. And why the need to visit him anyway?

...This year, the twins will start school – another milestone Madeleine never reached.She had been due to start at Bishop Ellis Catholic Primary at Thurmaston, Leics, in September of the year she vanished...

The twins will grow up and ask questions. I truly believe they will not grow up with parents together under the same roof. A sad outcome but an outcome that centres its focus on Madeleine will take place in my opinion> I feel a line in the sand has been drawn and on that side of the sand there will be no stones that need turning.

nancy said...

Zodiac - you said it all!

Wizard -

Thanks for all the info regarding the Fund's Accounts - very revealing, especially about the McCanns comfy set up up with:

"To provide support, including financial assistance to Madeleine's family"!

No wonder she's got time to sip tea, put her children in the nursery and go through files most of the day (how many months is that now?).

nancy said...

Hope -

It's a pity those photos of the two of them laughing their heads off at Maddie's 4th birthday 'celebration' didn't reach the media.

If they ever do, I imagine the McCanns will lose more than a few supporters!

Anonymous said...

'And what devastated and haunted mother could let her remaining children go to a nursery,'

Nancy,

Exactly! They, imo, dumped their remaining kids in the crèche when their eldest child they claim was snatched to order by a gang of paedophiles. They left them behind when they jetted off here and there busy working behind the scenes with their self-induced Media Circus in tow. It is no surprise that those kids are at nursery now she couldn't even be bothered to be in their company on their family holiday 07 IMO!

nancy said...

Hi BT -

I think they were actually hoping to be invited on to the Popemobil with him you know. It didn't turn out quite as they and Mr Pinky imagined! And how quickly the Pope disassociated himself from the whole thing!

Perhaps he heard that before Maddie went missing they hadn't any contact with the RC Church,(Mrs Healy's words).

nancy said...

Hi Dillie

I think they were thinking more in terms of getting money to pay for their house, rather than selling it to help find Madeleine! I cannot believe they had the effrontery to pay two mortgage instalments (those we know about)when people have sent in their hard earned cash, and when you think they are doctors who earn thousands more than most people in this country. Not that I begrudge doctors what they earn, but they shouldn't need assitance on their salaries.

I know it's said the dogs didn't provide the required evidence, but I certainly don't think it should be disregarded either, otherwise why did they do the tests!

Have a tot of whiskey or brandy tonight Dillie. I hope you feel better tomorrow!

bath theory said...

Hi Nancy
I am not sure whether he shared some of his Holy Chrism oil with them but really that whole time seemed very strange didn't it. If only Kate could walk into her nearest police station and say something like..
'Ok, I'm here with no lawyer and I want to tell you the truth about my relationship with my husband over that week and what really happened. Please ask me all those questions I refused to answer last time and I will be able to lift a weight off my shoulders. I should have done this a long time ago.'

LIFE can be VERY SIMPLE if we choose it to be. Right or wrong we can save ourselves from immense emotional turmoil by Keeping it simple. But alas those who enjoy FUN, FUN, FUN and those who enjoy DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA shy away from keeping life simple don't they.

bath theory said...

Madeleine will seek her justice in this lifetime or the next

nancy said...

BT -

Wise words as usual from you!


BBL.

Anonymous said...

Dylan,

Hope you feel better soon.

BBFN

bath theory said...

Nancy
I reckon you could be right in thinking they were hoping for a Presidential style one to one meeting with the Pope. I would love a reporter to seek out the local priest in PDL and find where he is now.

bath theory said...

I reckon he knows a few things too

Di said...

Hi Dyl

Just been reading back, so sorry you are feeling under the weather. Take care and get well soon. x

I agree very disturbing over there, how on earth would they be able to see whether we are XP Vista etc.,

dylan said...

Thanks Nancy and Zodiac, unfortunately I don't have any spirits in the house otherwise I'd have a had a hot brandy and blackcurrant! I am making do with orange juice for now.

I do appreciate that the fund was set up to help the McCanns too, it's just that they don't appear to be willing to give up anything to help themselves. They sure didn't need a brand new 4x4 and Gerry could use less luxurious accommodation on his trips than 5* hotels. What I find irritating is their constant yearning to be seen as nice, well-to-do, middle class people in the media, with a jet-set lifestyle. Well they weren't very nice when they chose to abandon their 3 children to go out to dinner, and no amount of flash cars and media attention is ever going to impress me or many others, IMO!

Does anybody know if there's anything good on the telly tonight? - as I have lost my TV guide!

xx

dylan said...

Thank you Di!

Just found out my youngest has a cold too - bless her.

xx

nancy said...

Hi Dylan -

In my opinion, there's never anything good on telly on Saturday nights - better to watch a DVD which I intend doing tonight. I'm sure you've seen Mamma Mia - I just loved it and will watch it again this evening. Good films should always be watched twice because there's always something you miss the first time round! I took my husband (J) to watch it with me and he was about the only man there. I've never lived it down!

Are you sure you don't have a drop of gin to go with that orange?

Nx

nancy said...

BT-

So would I - I've often wondered what happened to the poor chap who helped them in their time of need, but didn't even warrant a mention in Gerry (now defunct) blog!

Di said...

Hi BT

I think the local priest would be able to close this case. IMO that is why the locals said he became a shaddow of himself.

Di said...

shadow :o(

Di said...

Hi Nancy

Agree Saturday TV is terrible at the moment.

Do any of you watch Come Dine With Me, weekdays 5.30pm C4. I certainly don't watch it for the food, but entertainment value it is a laugh.

dylan said...

Cheers Nancy, & yes it is usually rubbish from memory. I may well chose a DVD but I think I've seen Mamma Mia a dozen times already :-) Your husband was brave to go, my brother left the room in digust when it was played at my parents'!
Not even a drop of gin in sight :-( I have some beer in the fridge but I don't fancy any tonight, oh well!

Di, I haven't seen it, is it funny?

BBFN xx

Di said...

Dyl

Give it a try. Five strangers who have to cook for each other over five days to win £1,000. Loads of booze and frayed tempers, need I say more ;o))

dylan said...

Di, it does sound like entertaining viewing :-) I will give it a go. Have only found HFW's chicken-out programme to watch so far, but Tesco aren't playing the game so this could get amusing too. Shame about the chickens though, poor things. At times like this, I am glad I'm a veggie!

xx

nancy said...

Di -

I've seen that programme before and really enjoyed it. Didn't realise it was back.

Thanks!


Nx

Unknown said...

Well just as Supertroll, Rosie et al are telling us what sad stalkers they are they get this business to send me an email at midnight, how queer:-))))

As ever guys, you really make me tremble! Maybe I should have a little word with this firm about your activities?



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Unknown said...

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Email info@latenttechnology.com


So what do I think about your continuing attempts to threaten and stalk me Rosie, Supertroll?

PATHETIC XXXX

Unknown said...

Di, thanks for the link to the post on 3 As, Rainbowwarrior strikes again, with a post that is not so much about what might have happened to little Maddie it is about me!

The last one where she sought to point out how I "libel" Tony Bennett was not much of a success either.

However, I have been reading a lot of blogs lately, particularly 3 As and there is one thing I can say for sure. There are many people who are pursuing an agenda of pushing a particular theory as to what might have happened to Maddie. Anyone who dares to suggest otherwise comes in for a ferocious attack. One thing is for sure, they are not concerned to discuss and know the truth about what happened to little Maddie, they do not care. They care about pursuing their own agenda.

Those threads are helpful in some respects to see people doing that in such a zealous way, Miceanmen pouring abusive adjectives across the page, not about Kate and Gerry McCann, but me, now why would she do that!


xxx

Unknown said...

Maybe this could help us understand the dynamics of this particular family a little better. It has always been my view Kate should go to the police and not allow herself to be demonized to the same extent or often even worse than Gerry McCann. Some people I believe just ignore everything they can actually see about this family.

Introduction

Jane Doe fled from State A to State B with her child to escape from her husband's abuse. Jane's husband, John Doe, tracked her down in State B, where her family lived. At John's request, State A prosecuted Jane for custodial interference, forcing her to return to State A. Several years later, John Doe was incarcerated for attempting to murder and rape Jane Doe in State A[1].

Parental kidnapping harms families across the nation. A recent national study found that parental kidnapping occurs at an estimated rate of 203,900 cases per year.[2] What is not recognized generally, however, is that domestic violence underlies many of the most tragic parental abduction cases.

When parents take their children in domestic violence cases, the abductions generally occur in one of two distinct contexts. In one set of circumstances, batterers[3] take the children in order to harm victims[4] further. In another, victims flee with their children in an effort to protect themselves and their children from the batterers' violence. Despite the dramatic difference between these two acts - one vindictive and the other protective - the criminal justice system rarely considers the context of abductions. Typically, the response to perpetrators and to victims of domestic violence is the same regardless of the reasons why the parents left with the children.

Batterers often use children as weapons to hurt or to frighten their partners[5]. They may, for example, pursue protracted custody or visitation litigation as a means of controlling their former partners[6]. Batterers may manipulate custody proceedings to obtain information about their former partners, to continue to monitor them, or to perpetrate additional violence[7].

Some batterers abduct their children after or during custody litigation, while others take their children without initiating any legal proceedings. According to one study, at least 34% of abusers threaten to kidnap their children, and 11% actually abduct them[8]. A groundbreaking study on parental kidnapping found that approximately half of the abductors had been violent toward the other parent during marriage[9]. In particular, researchers categorized 40% of the abducting males as "violent visitors," meaning that they had battered the children's mothers previously[10].

There is, however, another dimension to the intersection of parental kidnapping and domestic violence. Victims of domestic violence may flee to another city or county, go underground, or escape across state or tribal lines with children to avoid abuse or to protect children. Sometimes, as a result, they may be charged with violating parental kidnapping laws. A parental kidnapping study found that more than half of the parents in the study were victims of violence and that almost half of the parents who were contemplating abducting their children were motivated by the perceived need to protect the child from physical, sexual and emotional abuse[11]. According to this study, 27% of women who abduct their children are "nonviolent shared custodians."[12] Researchers concluded that such abductors may be on the run from what they perceive as abusive situations.[13]

Victims of domestic violence may flee to another city or county, go underground, or travel across state or tribal lines with children to escape abuse or to protect children, and, as a result, they may be charged with violating parental kidnapping laws.

Victims of domestic violence often relocate to seek a safe haven from abuse. In most cases, victims flee to locations in which they have family support or a network of friends who can shelter them and their children.[14] Survivors also may flee to states where they have better employment or educational opportunities, allowing them to survive economically without relying on their abusers.[15] Although relocation laws vary by jurisdiction, increasingly, they reflect an understanding that a parent who is a domestic violence survivor may need to relocate for safety.[16]

As this report demonstrates, some parental kidnapping laws similarly recognize the desperate plight of domestic violence survivors, while others fail to acknowledge victims' needs to relocate. Even today, relatively few states have enacted parental kidnapping laws with specific protections for victims of domestic violence,[17] and very few communities are utilizing innovative protocols to help these victims. Many of the current laws and practices penalize domestic violence survivors for fleeing in an effort to protect themselves and their children.

Unknown said...

Maybe we should not ignore either what our leading newspapers were telling us in October 2007, that Paulo Rebelo was looking again at the kidnapping theory, all lines of investigation remain open. In a complex case, if you just close your mind to every other possibility, surely that can lead you into error.

Paulo Rebelo is a very senior man, known for honesty and integrity and he cracked the Casa Pia case, saving countless thousands of children from appalling abuse. Is that why he was brought in to lead this case?

see for example The Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2633827.ece

Unknown said...

Whoever you are Anon, you obviously caught them at a moment when comment moderation was turned off! but well said, they are very sick indeed.

Anonymous said...

But I am afraid all the time Viv and her 4 chums ridicule us (which they do constantly)...we will retaliate on here.
LOOK AT THEIR BLOG. THEY AT LEAST STAY ON TOPIC MOST OF THE TIME. YOU DON'T. THEY DON'T CONSTANTLY RIDICULE YOU. ALL YOU (BASICALLY BUM AND POOPS) DO IS LAUGH AT OTHERS AND SAY YOU ARE DOING IT FOR MADELEINE. SICK.
01 February 2009 07:34

Unknown said...

Bath Theory, good to see you back again and very well said!!

'Ok, I'm here with no lawyer and I want to tell you the truth about my relationship with my husband over that week and what really happened. Please ask me all those questions I refused to answer last time and I will be able to lift a weight off my shoulders. I should have done this a long time ago.'



Now come on Kate, you know it makes sense!


xx

Unknown said...

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=28191&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

William1 - good poster!

Unknown said...

Rosie, I would like to stress that "Cooperman" has been the subject of ridicule on this blog, and rightly so!

xx

Unknown said...

Good post making an observation we have all noted on here, watch your back Kate because he will drop you in it!

Which brings me back to Rosie, the only person he/she actually raves about us so wrongly accusing is Gerry and with considerable fury too!

Keep trying Rosie but I fear no one is listening, but I find you interesting:-)))


Skeptical
Post subject: Re: KATE 31/1 THREE HOURS A DAY MAKING SURE SHE'S NOT CAUGHT OUT
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:13 am
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"The family member added: “Kate has already found evidence overlooked by police and the names of witnesses never interviewed. “On a day that happens, she is upbeat, positive, cheerful. When she comes across something negative however, she is down. “Of the two of them, Kate is the most fragile. Her mood can change quickly"

I bet the "family member" who allegedly quoted this is from the McCann side of the family.
;)
A huge number of references by them, throughout this saga, regarding Kate's ill temper and emotional volatility.
Watch your back, Mrs Kate.
;)

Unknown said...

In fact those sort of mood swings indicate bipolar disorder and people suffer from this illness can become violent, psychotic and dangerous.

So is Kate really like this, or do people just want us to think she is. Certainly she does not seem well!

hope4truth said...

Viv

As far as Cooperman goes these are my thoughts...

Granny Cooper was away on holiday when she saw this strange Man and he disturbed her and she obvioulsy remembered him...

Madeleine goes missing and she remebers the strange Man (it must have been a while later) and she reports him...

Let's face it if any of us were anywhere a child was missing and we remebered something that had disturbed us we would have to report it or worry that it could be something important.

Then CM gets a hold of Cooperman and does the worse (IMHO) presentation I have ever seen it was nervous it was full of errors and did not have the impact it should have had. Although Cooperman did look creepy (but that does not make him guilty of anything)...

Granny Cooper is one of those weiered individuals who likes to have her picture in the paper and have her 5 minutes of fame but I think she believed it could be important and it was the only reason she reported it. Also she must belive the McCann's are innocent but so do many....

JT did describe Gerry although he had an egg for a face but she confirmed it was Cooperman what an amazing turn of events that was... Also he did have the look of Kate (amazing what how your mind plays tricks when feeling guilt)...

Cooperman may be odd but he did not take Madeleine and Team McCann know that but it provided a good smoke screen for a few minutes until people remebered the first drawing of eggman and started to ask how the hell if JT had seen that face once could she ever have forgotten it...

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope,

I think it always pays to look at the timing of these things and remember Clarence's job is to bury bad news for the McCanns. So, on 3 January we have the story about the Smith Sighting and how their description matches that of Tanners, which of course it does.

So then to counter that on 20 January we get Gran Cooper and a completely different man who they saw also matches Jane's description but she clearly could not have seen, on her own account .. somehow he has now completely changed from the original description Jane gave. This manipulatin and police time wasting by Clarence Mitchell and Jane Tanner, is simply criminal in my opinion!
I hope they get arrested for it!

xx


Irish family's Maddie quiz

From VERONICA LORRAINE
in Praia da Luz

Published: 03 Jan 2008
PRIVATE detectives hunting for Madeleine McCann are to quiz an Irish family who may have been the last to see her alive.

Martin Smith, his wife and children told cops they saw a man carrying a little blonde girl in Praia da Luz on the night Maddie vanished.

Investigators from the Metodo 3 agency hired by Maddie’s parents Gerry and Kate are preparing to travel to Ireland to interview them.

The family, from Drogheda, Co Louth, believe they saw the man taking the sleeping tot down to the beach at the Portuguese resort.

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The Smiths were leaving Kelly’s Bar — 400 metres from the McCanns’ apartment — between 9.50 and 10pm on May 3 last year.

They flew home to Ireland the next day, but when the times of Maddie’s abduction were revealed, the family remembered seeing a man, 5ft 7in to 5ft 9in tall and dressed in beige, carrying the child.

Significantly the description matches that given by Jane Tanner, 37, a friend of the McCanns.

Mr Smith, who has already spoken to Portuguese cops over the sighting, said yesterday: “I’d talk to anyone to move this investigation on. I think about Maddie every day.”

He added: “I found the Portuguese cops not to be the most efficient bunch.”

His wife Mary, 59, said: “We saw a man carrying a blonde child. It was just such a normal thing to see in a holiday resort — we didn’t think anything of it at the time.”

The Sun reported on Monday how Metodo 3 — which is costing the Find Madeleine Fund £300,000 — plan to blitz Morocco after several leads pointed to the country.


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News Of The World Release Sketch Of 'Madeleine's Abductor'

11:15am UK, Sunday January 20, 2008
A sketch has been released of a man investigators believe could be Madeleine McCann's kidnapper.

180 madeleine abductor news of the world better

The News of the World's photo-fit

The News of the World claims the detailed artist's impression was generated using information from the holidaymaker, Gail Cooper, who had been staying 600 yards from theMcCanns in Praia da Luz.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the image had been passed to police.

He added: "We urgently need to know who this man is and where he is.

"For Madeleine's sake, we urge anyone with any information about him to come forward right away."

Mr Mitchell will hold a news conference on the latest developments in the Madeleine case later today.

The associate editor of the News of the World, Gary Thompson, told Sky News: "The real significance is that the sketch has been shown to Jane Tanner, a member of the so-called Tapas Group.

"You may remember she says she saw a man carrying a child.

"We understand that Jane Tanner has confirmed the likeness."

Mr Thompson said he believed the Portuguese police were taking the photo-fit very seriously.

"The important questions are: who is he? Whereabouts is he? We will be urging readers with information to contact the authorities as a matter of urgency," he said.

The holidaymaker who provided the details for the sketch rang police when she saw Madeleine was missing and gave a statement.

But the paper said it is only now that the importance of her sighting is being realised.

Unknown said...

I can only conclude that Jane Tanner has chosen to lie not just to protect Gerry (which may not be so important to her) but to protect her own partner who does seem to have been involved in this, along with David Payne.

She will have to live with her conscience and maybe her arrest!


xx

hope4truth said...

Viv

I am sure it was timed to go against the Smith sighting and the man was found and also not involved at all...

What does it take for people to tell the truth these days? A 3 year old is missing and even her parents cant get their stories straight dont bother searching for her and the Mother refuses to answer simple questions...

There is something very evil going on here I dont know what it is exactly but I am so glad I am not in the same situation...

I care for my own friends too much ever to lie for them no matter what they have done life cant continue with this hanging over all of them any second any day one of them could crack and then that life changing knock at the door...

What a way to live...

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope,

Yes, timed, calculated and deliberate and people ask why they need a spinner. Is that not obvious!

A spinner who wants to accuse innocent people and perpetuate lies about the disappearance of a lovely little girl. How sick is that?

Private detectives who want to harass and frame innocent people and get genuine witnesses to change their mind, who want to "create" other witnesses who are prepared to lie, for hard cash, from the "Find Maddie Fund".

The only thing that gives me any satisfaction at all from all of this is knowing that at the end of the day, they are just adding to their sentence, and it will be a very lengthy one!

Justice for Maddie !!

xx

Unknown said...

Well there isn't 26 pages here but very interesting!



Cartas Rogatorias File 3
Pages 31 - 56

RESTRICTED
Statement number S87B
Printed version of recorded document

Surname: CARPENTER
First name. STEPHEN

Profession: Maintenance Technician
Date of Statement: 21/04/2008- Number of pages : 1

I am the person referred to above and I live at the address provided to the police.
I confirm that I was questioned by DC 4078 Fergurson from Leicestershire police on 21st April 2008.
The questioning began at 10.30 and finished at 11.10 on the same day. The questioning was filmed on DVD and on cassette. This statement was made by me and is truthful according to my understanding.

The questioning took place at the police station in Stevenage, Hertfordshire on the 21st April 2008.
I would be more than satisfied if the evidence presented by me was used and if required to appear at court in Portugal I would need to be notified in advance. .

Statement
Date 21st April 2008
Pages: 1
Statement of Stephen Carpenter

Leicestershire Police Force
Form MG15 (T)

Officer who conducted the questioning: DC 4078 Fergurson

Pages: 26

_____________________________
__
Duration of Interview: 39 minutes

DCF: Do you agree with me reading out your statement?

SC: Yes, I agree, yes.

DCF: Or would you prefer to read out the statement yourself?

SC: No, thats fine, you can read it.

DCF: I thought it would make more sense that way:

SC: Ah ha.

DCF: So when we get to the moment that refers to Portugal, it will refresh your memory.

SC: Please can I take some notes?

DCF: Yes of course. I’ll get you a sheet of paper.

SC: Yes, OK.

DCF: I will have to go and get one because I haven’t got my bag with me.
.
DC FERGURSON leaves the interrogation room..

DC FERGURSON returns to the interrogation room.

DCF: This was the best I could find.

SC: Yes, that’s fine, its just for small details like people’s names.

DCF: Yes.

SC: That would be, humm the babysitters and the people I played tennis with. I’ve got, hummm I almost remember all of their names. .

DCF: I would just like to introduce myself, I am DC Sophie Fergurson. I work for the Main Criminal Unit of the Leicestershire police and we have obviously been working on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, to provide assistance to the Portuguese and the reason for which we are here today is because the Portuguese have asked us to carry out some questioning of some of the witnesses.

SC: Agreed.

DCF: And also, Gerry and Kate have the right to ask the witnesses some questions and for that reason some of the questionings carried out incorporate questions suggested by them.

SC. OK.

DCF: It is now 10.30 on the 21st April.

SC: Yes.

DCF: It is the 21st today, isn’t it?

SC: Yes.

DCF: Of the year 2008 and we are in a room in a house on Telford Avenue in Stevenage where neither of us have been before.

SC: OK

DCF: DC Eleanor JOHNSON is monitoring this interrogation Could you please tell m your name in full?

SC: Humm... Stephen John CARPENTER

DCF: And your date of birth?

SC: *******

DCF: Thank you. Would you prefer us to call you Stephen or Steve?

SC: Steve.

DCF: Steve it is then.

SC: Mm.

DCF:Okay, there is a letter for you, a letter to be handed to you ...

SC: Okay, thanks.

DCF: Before beginning the questioning and explaining the reason why you are here.

SC: Okay.

DCF: You can take a minute to read the contents if you wish..

(CARPENTER reads the letter): Yes, that’s fine..

DCF: Okay, as I already explained previously this will be filmed so that we can send the CD so that the Portuguese can hear instead of only reading the statement, once they get a copy.

SC: Ah ha.

DCF: And I know that before we begin the questioning, that you showed some concern about the truthful recording of the facts and that they could have had some distortions by what you have read about the event.

SC: Yes.

DCF: Therefore what we have agreed to do is to read your statement and put the facts together.

SC: Ah ha, yes that would seem right to me.

DCF: And afterwards I will ask you whether there is anything else you would like to add.

SC: Okay.

DCF: Or anything else that you would like to discuss and afterwards, afterwards I will ask the questions that we were requested.

SC: Okay.

DCF: And we can talk about this for as long as we need to, there is no time limit.

SC: Yes, fine.

DCF: Are you feeling all right?

SC: Yes, fine.

DC: Good. Right, this statement was taken by a UK police officer on the 17th May and so the facts should be quite fresh in your memory.

SC: Yes.
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DCF: This is obviously 2007 and begins by explaining the reason for the questioning, in other words, relating to the disappearance of Madeleine. In the statement you say “I will mention the following persons who I will describe with greater detail at the end of the statement” Is it C*** or C******?

SC: C*****.

DCF: C***** is your wife and at the time of the events you had known her for nine years and I****** is your daughter aged three and a half and F***** is obviously your other child aged five months. During the holiday you met the following persons, Gerry and Kate McCann, saw their children, Madeleine and the twins, but don’t know their names. J*** C***** whom I met whilst playing tennis, I also met Dan and Georgia who were tennis instructors of the Mark Warner holiday resort (inaudible) I had met Dan on previous Mark Warner holidays at the (inaudible) resort. . I met the following persons when I participated in the searches for Madeleine during the day after her disappearance, Raj and Neil, Mark Warner tourists, John Hill, manager of the MW resort, we also used three babysitters, Pauline, Emma and Leanne. Emma and Leanne would look after our children in the evenings, they were all British and employees of MW. A man with three children whom I met in the Tapas Bar and who I referred to as the “Tapas Guy” and a Portuguese man in a garage whom I will refer to as the “laundry man”.

SC: Okay.

DCF:Okay. That was just to set the scene..

SC: Yes.

DCF: Neil and Raj, two MW tourists that I saw in the Tapas Bar who were looking for Madeleine with me, doesn’t make much sense, I think it was perhaps explaining who they are and where I met them. I will now describe the resort and to help me with this description I will base myself upon an aerial photograph from the Sun Newspaper dated the 16th May, which we do not have here today, but which is not important. The resort is a closed holiday complex with apartments and some villas. This takes us to the next question which is, how did you appear on the scene. “My wife booked the holidays in the MW resort in Praia da Luz, from Saturday 28th April to Saturday 5th May, at Going Places in Welwyn Garden City.” You go on to describe your previous holidays and that you chose this one because you were told that the “baby sitter” service was available. You arrived at the resort on Saturday morning, pardon on Saturday at approximately two in the afternoon and were accompanied to your apartment, FP02 Ocean Club.
At about 4.15 on the same day you went to a crèche meeting where you wee told who the crèche workers who would look after your children were and that your children would be in different groups given the difference in age. I**** was in the group for children between three and four years old, her crèche worker was Emma and it was only after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that I realised that she was in the same group as I****. That night C****, F****, I**** and I went to the Millenium Restaurant, we did not see any of the other MW tourists there and I remember that I did not see any of the other people I mentioned in my statement there. On Sunday the 29th April C**** and I participated in a coffee morning of the MW tennis group where I met Gerry, Kate, J****, C****, R****, A***, G***, A***’s sister and A***, there were other tourists there whose names now escape me. In total there were approximately some sixteen people at this coffee morning and tennis was one of the activities that the man, or that both subscribed to during the week. I am summarising a bit, because.....


SC: Okay, that’s fine..

DCF: I first played tennis with Kate and G***n, there was another lady whose name I can’t remember and afterwards I played with Kate and G**** against Gerry and naturally after the game I spoke to Gerry and Kate as well as to the other people present. I think that this is just a setting of the scene.

SC: Yes, OK.

DCF: In this way I got to know Gerry and Kate and spoke with them as I did with other people.

SC: Yes.
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DCF: And during my stay I would greet them when I met them. Later we pass to your activities during the week, do you remember if there was anything relevant in their activities during this week?

SC: Humm, anything relevant, not really....hummmm... it was normal, possibly after having left and now knowing where Murat was in relation to us, because i don’t know whether they showed you the proximity between us.

DCF: No.

SC: Let me show you some things about that, humm....let’s see, because...hummm, our apartment was not near to there.

DCF: Mmm mmm.

SC: Here was the club where Gerry was, behind Murat’s garden and here we were probably the people closest to Murat.

DCF: Thats true, I see.

SC: The bushes were all around here, we were far away from the rest, it was all open, and this is why I think (inaudible) you know, this is the idea that, humm...I think of when i mentioned in the interrogation that there was a laundry outlet where other things were kept.

DCF: Mmm, yes.

SC: But humm, nothing strange that someone wouldn’t do during their holidays, the only thing is thinking about our proximity to Murat’s property.

DCF: Yes, I understand, much of this is in the....

SC: Background.

DCF: Yes. When I went to the Tapas Bar and was seen there, talking on the Thurday 3rd May we analysed this in more detail because it was obviously more relevant. ”The second time I entered the Tapas Bar was on Thursday 3rd May” which ended up being the day that Madeleine disappeared.

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SC: Ah ha.

DCF: We arrived at about seven because we had the children with us and I saw a man sitting at the table next to us with three children.

SC: Yes
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DCF: He was going to take a plane the next day to Switzerland, given that the children’s mother lived there, I had never seen him before that night, but he ended up joining us for a coffee, he was a MW tourist. Another couple whose names I do not remember, sat at the table opposite us. A man was sitting on the esplanade having a drink whilst waiting for a take away, I spoke to them briefly, I hadn’t realised that the Tapas bar had a take away service. At that time i didn’t know their names. At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them, we spoke of tennis amongst other things, I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals (inaudible), I think it was to check on the children , but I do not remember with what frequency or how many times the people left the table to check on the children. We did not talk about the system for checking the children or the fact that they had left them alone in the apartment, it was only later upon hearing the news that I realised that they had left the children alone in the apartment and that they were regularly checking to see if they were all right. Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home, we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling “Madeleine, Madeleine”, this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine’s disappearance”. OK, before going on the next part, do you remember at what time you left?

SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn’t see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing “Madeleine, Madeleine” and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.

DCF: Yes, and where you state that it was on GMTV.

SC:: Yes..

DCF: I think that it was reported that it was a three year old child and probably thought who could it be and knew that Kate and Gerry were from Leicestershire and assumed that it was one of their children seeing that they had small children?

SC: Ah.

DCF: And afterwards you left your apartment to see if you could help in any way and as you said previously, everything was very quiet and there was nobody around. Then you say “I went to the MW reception and I met two of Gerry’s surfing friends who told me that Madeleine had been abducted on the previous night, I asked if there was anything I could do to help and I think they were waiting for news from the Portuguese police. We walked towards the supermarket and ended up at the 24 hour reception where some men tried to speak to some Portuguese employees in the attempt to make a phone call, but communication became complicated because the employee did not speak English and the man did not speak Portuguese. We returned to the MW reception where I asked whether there was anything I could do to help so that they would let me know and returned to my apartment by the same route as the previous night. Upon nearing my apartment I heard a male voice coming from the garden next to my apartment.

DCF: This would be the voice of Murat, correct?

SC: Yes. This garden is situated at the other side of the passage way from my apartment block and is enclosed by net fence of about 1.80 m in height, the garden is thick and it was not possible to see inside, there was also a passageway along the garden without a wall that was on the way from our apartment to the Millenium restaurant. At some stage I managed to see clearly inside the garden, but I did not know who was the owner of the house and I never saw anyone inside the garden or the house or see anyone leaving until the moment that I heard a voice calling me. Then a voice called me from over the hedge. “What is happening, or what is going on?”, I replied that a three year old girl had disappeared, he said “I am going to come round to talk to you” and he did this, walked round to come over towards me and said “I have lived here for fourteen years, I speak Portuguese fluently and I can help to translate”, and we introduced ourselves, he told me he was Robert and this was the first time I had seen this man. Robert mentioned that he had a daughter in Norfolk who was the same age as Madeleine, and that is why he was able to understand what they were going through. We walked back along the path that I had taken to Gerry’s apartment and I explained that Robert spoke Portuguese fluently, he told Gerry that it was important to have someone who spoke the language so that nothing would be lost in translation.. And that was how Robert Murat was presented as a translator.


DCF: Yes

SC: After he left, he explained that Gerry was frustrated with the way in which the case was being handled and they went to talk to John Hill.


DCF: Yes..

SC: In Mark Warner and he asked that all the Mark Warner rooms be opened so that he could check them and asked the cleaning ladies etc. to help open all the empty apartments that were not necessarily in the Mark Warner complex, but for which they might have the keys. At this moment I also met an English man called Dave who lived in the area and helped the Ocean Club to authorise entry into all the apartments possible, some of the apartments in Gerry’s block belonged to local owners and Dave helped to get the keys to these apartments so that they could check them and search them, they checked them all in a general manner.

DCF: Mmm mmm.


SC: Robert and I searched the areas near to the beach.

DCF: During your conversations with Robert is there anything that you would like to comment on?

SC: Humm, no, its probably nothing relevant, the only thing since all of this happened and from reading the papers, I’m not sure if I am right or wrong, but his involvement in the translations was due to my intervention, clearly it was I who, based upon what he told me, took him to see Gerry, humm..and just that, I do not know whether it was already explained and wasn’t published in the papers or I do not know why (inaudible) I think that the reason for his involvement was because of me.

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DCF: Mmm.

SC: And then the first thing that he said was “Well, I did not actually offer my services, I “bumped” into this individual.

DCF: Yes:

SC: That is the only, only thing that I would correct and I think it is a bit strange that someone would state that they offer themselves as a volunteer, or the way in which it really happened after having told me that he spoke Portuguese fluently, I said to him “Well, in this case that could be useful” and afterwards accompanied him – and that was how he (inaudible) thought that it was a bit strange. Because the way he said it gave the impression that it was voluntary.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Whereas now the version is a bit different.

DCF: Yes, yes. And do you remember what you talked about whilst you were searching with him?

SC: Humm...he obviously talked to me about his daughter.

DCF: Yes.

SC: They had a team of sniffer dogs on site, they came from Lisbon according to what I was told, and afterwards we walked to the beach in the attempt to find the scent, to see of she had got lost alone or had fallen into the sea, and it was just him and me and the dog handlers, so that there was not any big theme of conversation, just walking the route – or on the way back, when we arrived we talked with different Portuguese police
Officers and afterwards with the officer who appeared to be leading the operation, a man who appeared to be from Forensics, but as I say now nothing appears very clear to me.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... where Robert presented himself as being capable of speaking both languages and they couldn’t, they tried to use him in order to obtain a maximum of information from the English side, so that the Portuguese could understand what the people were saying and what state they were in... that was the involvement with the police and afterwards we tried to enter all the apartments that they had seen to where Gerry and Kate were staying.

DCF: Yes..

SC: And it was just talking about, you know...trying to get possible access and trying to open a maximum of doors in the area, and I think that was all.

DCF: You go on to describe in a little more detail the searches in the apartments neighbouring on Gerry and Kate’s apartment, then you met Neil and Raj who began to talk and told you that they had collaborated in the searches the night before.

SC: Yes. .

DCF: And they explained to you that they had seen a man with dreadlocks and they felt there was something suspicious about him, that they were not satisfied with him.

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: Then he introduced himself saying that he lived in Portugal and that he had just bought an apartment block.
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SC: Yes.

DCF:
They were staying opposite Gerry’s block, that meant that they were more concentrated in that area.

SC: Yes, because Raj in particular said that he felt there was something strange and that he was not certain, and the fact of where they were staying, the fact that the back of the apartment block was opposite Kate and Gerry’s apartment, humm...and the fact that they even discussed the purchase price and how much he had paid, but the following morning there was no sign, even knocking on all the doors of the apartments that were occupied and those that were empty, we did not find anyone, he said, and that is why we thought it was strange that someone who had been available and collaborated in the searches and who lived in the area, was not found the following morning, because as you know, we were not contactable.

DCF: No sign of him and you remember that you were worried about this man who was described as being fifty years of age with grey hair.

SC:Ah ha.

DCF: And it seemed strange that a person who helped so much on the previous night disappeared the following morning.

SC: Yes, I suppose there was something that even the local Portuguese would be incapable of identifying (inaudible) or recognising for the description of a poster especially.

DCF: Who it was.

SC: Hummm.. then it was just a question of asking who he might be, where he was and to be able to eliminate him from the list of suspects, so that he would be at least one less person to worry about.


DCF: And did you speak to Robert about this as the person who was also on the scene?


SC: Ah ha.

DCF: On Saturday morning, the 5th May you spoke to a BBC reporter.

SC: Yes.

DCF: You told them that you remember that some of the reporters were being unfair and incorrect because they were treating the situation as that of a missing child and not of a child whom had been abducted.

SC: Yes.


DCF: And you go on to say that you spoke to Robert that day about how the Portuguese Police were unhappy with the incomprehensible way in which the British press treated them.
SC: That was what he said. What he explained to me.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Yes.
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DCF: Yes, you met Gerry in the swimming pool area on Saturday afternoon, he told you that the fifty year old man had not been taken into consideration, that the Leicestershire police were on their way and you gave him your phone number and returned to England that night.

SC: Yes.

DCF: You certainly followed the events on television.

SC: Yes.


DCF: Humm... afterwards you say that on the 17th May you sent an email to Sky News about the description of an individual aged about fifty, humm.... on the 14th May you saw a report at the end of the news which mentioned that Robert Murat had been named a suspect.


SC: Yes (inaudible) I spoke to a Sky reporter, I think it was Ian Woods, hummm...did I write that down there?


DCF: Its here, yes.

SC: Ah yes, yes and afterwards, humm...with Murat well...I just caught a glimpse of him on TV, it was rather my wife who phoned Philomena afterwards who then suggested that we contact the police support service.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And that is what I did, and afterwards the Hertford police contacted us.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Two days later I think.

DCF: Exactly, you phoned the criminal support number and was transferred to the Operational Squad of the Leicestershire Police Force which is where we are working.

SC: Ah ha.

DCF: And we made a request to the local police to collect your statement and it was in this sequence that your statement arrived. It is likely that my papers are not in order because this page is more about the details of the search of the apartments near to Gerry’s apartment and mentions the man from the laundry.

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: And about the searches carried out.

SC: I remember that, yes.

DCF: You spoke to a man who later showed you a garage where there was a bed.

SC: Yes, well what happened was that, Gerry’s apartment was here because it was not a flat area, it was more or less like this and that is why the opposite apartments were higher.

DCF: Correct.

SC: That is why it could obviously be seen, these apartments could be looked over from above and all the lower parts and where we, hummm.. this is where the grey haired man was.

DCF: Right.

SC: Who had supposedly acquired a property, and that is why I strongly suggested that we should open the maximum possible number of doors,...I can’t remember the name of the man who I also met by chance and who was doing some translating, what was his name again, who helped open the doors.


DCF: Was it John HILL?

SC: No, John Hill was a Mark Warner employee, I can’t remember his name, but he...humm also knew the local estate agent and different people who helped to get the keys of the properties from the letters, some of whom were on holiday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And once the garage door was opened, it was not just a garage for a car, it was a type of “capsule” of about six by nine metres in size which became longer where there was a bed in the corner, and it was when we were searching this, the English man with grey hair whose identity I did not know, but who had explained this to me.


DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... this garage belonged to a Portuguese man, the man from the laundry.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And when we entered the garage I asked who lived there, he replied that his son lived there and then there were distractions and because I was concentrated on the fifty year old English man, this man is Portuguese, it was only afterwards when I thought later about what we were searching for, it didn’t occur to me and I think it is because of this that i mentioned it in my statement two weeks later, because I remember that there had been some distortions.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Of course with Murat there is Murat and the Russian individual, you know....I thought that we might well be looking for the totally wrong person and the fact that a bed existed in the garage and some children’s toys.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I thought, ohhh...its worth mentioning this and that’s the reason I mentioned it in my statement.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe the Portuguese man, the laundry man to me, yes?

SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this at the beginning, which (inaudible)? I think that afterwards, and afterwards coincides with the fact that he was the man from the laundry and of the van parked there, because as i have already explained, we were here in a small street here above which linked to the main road and to everything beside here on top, the rest was all pathways and I remember that on two or three occasions I thought...this is a dead end road, the van was parked there, I never saw anyone and more than once assumed that it would be cleaning staff and only this thought coincided with the presence of the man from the laundry, and if there were any reply to be made in relation to the link between the van parked there and the laundry man.
DCF: Yes.

SC: Murat here, I think and the laundry thing here.

DCF: Yes

SC: And I would once again give the reason why I mentioned the subject..

DCF: Of what age did the laundry man appear to be?

SC: Humm, I do not remember clearly what I said, but obviously at times Europeans appear older than they are, because of

DCF...(inaudible) the sun.

SC: Yes with the sun, that was what I said in the statement (inaudible).

DCF: I am going to try to locate the first pages where it was mentioned, but there is no description.

SC: Forty five to fifty years old, I think.

DCF: I’m just trying to think what age the man would be, it is difficult to say for the man that I saw, but he would have been of an age that implied that he could have a small child living in the garage or it could be expected that the had a grown up child.

SC: Oh, I think he would have been about, you know.... eighteen years, twenty or twenty two years old to live in the back of a garage because it had large cupboards and other things, but to live in a garage would mean that he had to be eighteen or more, because of a question of safety and because it was not the best way to live.

DCF: No. Then as you say the children’s toys seemed to you to be out of context?

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Yes, mainly because I would think of someone aged eighteen or slightly more.

DCF: And then the Mark Warner staff, obviously it was after your return when this was still being investigated, the staff had photos of Madeleine that the man handed to an individual called C**** and his girlfriend to be distributed.

SC: Ah ah, yes.

DCF: Its in the part where it mentions that there was a van, and says that it was parked at the back of Robert Murat'’ garden, and that you never saw anyone use the van, but you remember that it had something to do with the cleaning staff.

SC: Yes, to transport the bedlinen and towels.

DCF: Yes. It says here that you never saw anyone drive it, you just know that you saw it parked, did you ever notice that it was missing or do you remember always seeing it there?

SC:Humm, no...no it was not always there, I saw it about two or three times.

DCF: OK. And it continues, obviously there are some details about the van and its description in case it would be necessary to come back to this statement. So during the week, you played tennis with Gerry about three times?

SC: Ah ha.

DCF: On Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, it says here that you got on well, that he communicated easily, he was fun, he talked to you about golf which was his favourite sport, that he wanted to improve his tennis during the week. On Sunday or Monday he twisted his ankle, but managed to keep on playing, and on Sunday morning he only played tennis with Kate, that you saw them both playing sport and they passed by you to the bar on the beach and this was Sunday or Monday at about mid day.

SC: Mmm, mmm.

DCF: And you saw both Gerry and Kate at the Tapas Bar on Sunday and afterwards on Thursday in the evening, apart from these occasions you just saw them in passing at the resort and you had no opportunity to get to know Kate?

SC: No.

DCF: OK. Is there anything else that you would like to comment on or talk about in relation to the time that you were in the resort before the police, or before the disappearance of Madeleine?

SC: In relation to the holiday or to something strange that I remember?

DCF: Yes, is there anything in your memory that you think could be significant but that you didn’t mention before because you thought it was a bit...

SC: No, no...until that moment it was an extremely enjoyable holiday, I think that we had already been at other Mark Warner resorts and they were more than a complex and because of that all the people in the area were Mark Warner tourists, here it was different because we could meet the same person two or three times a day, others could spend three or four days without seeing them because some were staying at this side and others on the other side and so, you know...we were not...it was not a large holiday centre but this was reasonably normal.

DCF: OK. Do you agree with me putting these questions now?

SC: Yes, that’s fine, are they the questions from the police?

DCF: Yes, from the way they are written, I think they are all from the Portuguese police.

SC: OK.

DCF: Because sometimes translations are a bit different.

SC: OK.

DCF: However, I think there are no questions from Gerry and Kate that would be necessary to ask you, as I have stated previously, there are other interrogations where that was necessary.

SC: Oh.

DCF: Fine, on what day between the 28th April and 3rd May did you meet Gerry McCann and Kate Healy, I think this has already been mentioned in the statement that we have just gone through.

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: However I am going to read this and you do not have to reply again. How frequently would you meet up between the 28th April and 3rd May and once again we have just been through this.

SC: From there onwards.

DCF: Oh yes, not from there, it was even before Madeleine disappeared. Did you see them with Madeleine and the other two children?
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SC: Humm...I don’t remember what I said in my statement, I am not sure about this because when I think about the past, and I know that he was playing tennis and I imagine something different, that’s why...humm I can’t specify hours and dates.

DCF: Ok. If you can remember the occasion upon which you saw them, how was the children’s behaviour?.

SC: Humm. I can’t reply because I was not concentrating on this type of thing, that’s why...hmmm, I cannot even reply to this.

DCF: No, but I was thinking from the point of view of common sense, after the disappearance of Madeleine, any doubt that you could have had.

SC: Oh, after the disappearance?

DCF: No, what I was thinking here was that after her disappearance, you would probably have reflected upon whether you saw anything.

SC: Hummm... I remember talking to Gerry, because I had to go and fetch I*** and they were playing in the small garden and he was (inaudible), I***** and I thought it was Maddie, I am not absolutely sure but, he seemed to me to be a decent type, a good father, affectionate with his children, very easy to talk to, very good with the children, with a comfortable manner even when talking to I**** about little things, completely dedicated to the children.

DCF: OK, I’m certain that if there were anything strange in his behaviour, you would certainly remember that.

SC: Yes, certainly.

DCF: Did you see either of them in a car?

SC: See either of whom?

DCF: I think this refers to the McCann family, did you ever see them in a car?

SC: Humm, during that week?

DCF: Mmm, mmm.

SC: I think not.

DCF: Did you see Kate or Gerry on the Thursday 3rd May, obviously this was the day when Madeleine disappeared already mentioned in your statement.

SC: Yes, in the restaurant, yes.

DCF: Do you remember if you saw them before the evening?

SC: Humm... I think that we played tennis during the afternoon on Thursday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I’m not certain, I remember that it was on Thursday that there were four individuals with whom we used to share the tennis courts, and I think that I mentioned this in my statement, I would say that it was on Thursday that we played tennis and I think that this was what we talked about in the Tapas bar.

DCF: OK, do you have any idea of what time you played tennis with Gerry?

SC: Humm... from two to four or from two until any time in the afternoon, I remember it coincided with leaving the kids in the crèche and picking them up.

DCF: OK, and it asks here what his behaviour was like on Thursday, 3rd May?

SC: His behaviour during the day or?

DCF: On all the occasions that you saw him.

SC: Always very good.

DCF: When did you realise that Madeleine had disappeared, you have already said that it was on the following day.

SC: On Friday morning.

DCF: And you took part in the searches as you have already described. Did you see Kate or Gerald after Madeleine’s disappearance?

SC: Yes.

DCF: When?

SC: Hummm, the first time was when I introduced Robert Murat to Gerry, I think that he was alone at that moment...humm, or Kate was there, I’m not sure, but afterwards I saw him on Saturday before returning home, but thinking of the time on Friday morning when I introduced Murat, I think that I did not see him again until Saturday.

DCF: OK and the next question is what was their reaction and I think this means their reaction to Madeleine not being there?
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SC: Destroyed, like any father or mother would be.

DCF: At what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant on 3rd May (inaudible)?

SC: At seven, I think at seven, yes.

DCF: Yes and you say that Kate and Gerald arrived at about half past eight, what was the theme of the conversation?

SC: I think it was just holiday chat, I think that we talked about our tennis and the good and bad aspects.
DCF: And who else was at the restaurant, well.... you have already referred to this in your statement.

SC: Yes.

DCF: Did you see Kate or Gerry leave the table before you?

SC: (Inaudible).

DCF: I think that this means the coming and going of people during the evening.

SC: Yes, I remember that people would absent themselves intermittently at different times, but I did not know why.

DCF: no.

SC: But as we discovered later, it was to check on the children.

DCF: And I imagine that your attention was directed towards your family and (inaudible).

SC: Yes, because we obviously had our two with us and we were on this side of the table, the single man with three small children was here and I****was playing with them, so we were more or less a group if you would like to call it that, of which they were a part, I think that all the ten members were there and some of us would speak to others here and on the other side of the table.

DCF: At what time did you leave the Tapas bar?

SC: I think it was at about half past nine.

DCF: I think that is what you said.

SC: Yes.

DCF: And you were accompanied, you replied that you were with your children and your wife. Where did you go afterwards, it says here...before going back to your apartment, can you describe the route you took?

SC: Directly to the apartment.

DCF: Did you see anyone outside the Tapas Bar or outside the apartments?

SC: If I saw anyone outside the Tapas bar or, hummm.. on the way home presumably?

DCF: Yes, is there anyone you remember that night, did you see anyone in the area?

SC: No.

DCF: At what time did you go to bed?

SC: Almost immediately, we put the children to bed because it was already quite late for them, humm... about half past ten, yes, about half past ten (inaudible).

DCF: And that’s it, those were the questions.

SC: OK.

DCF: So I would say there were no surprises. Is there anything else that you think we should talk about?

SC: Hummm, no I think that’s all, I spoke about Murat, hummm, about the meeting, no there is nothing more to add.

DCF: OK. Lets check with Eleanor to see if we have missed anything.

DCF leaves the interrogation room.
DCF enters the interrogation room.

DCF: No and I cannot think of anything else so we can close the interrogation.

SC: Fine.

DCF: It is 11.10, although my watch does not have numbers, so this is an approximate time.

SC: OK. And the interrogation ends here, I’m sure that Eleanor will unplug the recorder in the next room.

SC: Fine, ok.

DCF: Now we just need to write...the CD stopped and began again showing the time as 10.38.10.

Signature_________________________________________________

Unknown said...

establishes that Kate and Gerry arrived at the restaurant around 8.30 and they were all getting up and down but he did not know they were leaving their kids alone

says they left the tapas around 9.15 to 9.30 and there was absolutely no one around but crucially his wife recalls hearing someone calling Madeleine Madeleine not urgently he does not think

completely puts MURAT in the clear, says Murat called from his garden the following morning asking what was going on, this man explained Murat said well I can speak English and Portuguese and this man took him and introduced him to Gerry suggesting he could translate, he is therefore upset that the press blamed Murat and misreported saying it was his idea Murat go involved.

Reading on he mentions a sus looking man with blond dreadlocks, a man showing him a garage with a bed and a 50 year old grey haired man who was there searching on the night but disappeared the next morning who Gerry knew about...

still reading, v interesting!

Unknown said...

This piece appears to be about a possible suspect:

DCF: You spoke to a man who later showed you a garage where there was a bed.

SC: Yes, well what happened was that, Gerry’s apartment was here because it was not a flat area, it was more or less like this and that is why the opposite apartments were higher.

DCF: Correct.

SC: That is why it could obviously be seen, these apartments could be looked over from above and all the lower parts and where we, hummm.. this is where the grey haired man was.

DCF: Right.

SC: Who had supposedly acquired a property, and that is why I strongly suggested that we should open the maximum possible number of doors,...I can’t remember the name of the man who I also met by chance and who was doing some translating, what was his name again, who helped open the doors.


DCF: Was it John HILL?

SC: No, John Hill was a Mark Warner employee, I can’t remember his name, but he...humm also knew the local estate agent and different people who helped to get the keys of the properties from the letters, some of whom were on holiday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And once the garage door was opened, it was not just a garage for a car, it was a type of “capsule” of about six by nine metres in size which became longer where there was a bed in the corner, and it was when we were searching this, the English man with grey hair whose identity I did not know, but who had explained this to me.


DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... this garage belonged to a Portuguese man, the man from the laundry.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And when we entered the garage I asked who lived there, he replied that his son lived there and then there were distractions and because I was concentrated on the fifty year old English man, this man is Portuguese, it was only afterwards when I thought later about what we were searching for, it didn’t occur to me and I think it is because of this that i mentioned it in my statement two weeks later, because I remember that there had been some distortions.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Of course with Murat there is Murat and the Russian individual, you know....I thought that we might well be looking for the totally wrong person and the fact that a bed existed in the garage and some children’s toys.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I thought, ohhh...its worth mentioning this and that’s the reason I mentioned it in my statement.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe the Portuguese man, the laundry man to me, yes?

SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this at the beginning, which (inaudible)? I think that afterwards, and afterwards coincides with the fact that he was the man from the laundry and of the van parked there, because as i have already explained, we were here in a small street here above which linked to the main road and to everything beside here on top, the rest was all pathways and I remember that on two or three occasions I thought...this is a dead end road, the van was parked there, I never saw anyone and more than once assumed that it would be cleaning staff and only this thought coincided with the presence of the man from the laundry, and if there were any reply to be made in relation to the link between the van parked there and the laundry man.
DCF: Yes.

SC: Murat here, I think and the laundry thing here.

DCF: Yes

SC: And I would once again give the reason why I mentioned the subject..

DCF: Of what age did the laundry man appear to be?

SC: Humm, I do not remember clearly what I said, but obviously at times Europeans appear older than they are, because of

DCF...(inaudible) the sun.

SC: Yes with the sun, that was what I said in the statement (inaudible).

DCF: I am going to try to locate the first pages where it was mentioned, but there is no description.

SC: Forty five to fifty years old, I think.

DCF: I’m just trying to think what age the man would be, it is difficult to say for the man that I saw, but he would have been of an age that implied that he could have a small child living in the garage or it could be expected that the had a grown up child.

SC: Oh, I think he would have been about, you know.... eighteen years, twenty or twenty two years old to live in the back of a garage because it had large cupboards and other things, but to live in a garage would mean that he had to be eighteen or more, because of a question of safety and because it was not the best way to live.

DCF: No. Then as you say the children’s toys seemed to you to be out of context?

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Yes, mainly because I would think of someone aged eighteen or slightly more.

DCF: And then the Mark Warner staff, obviously it was after your return when this was still being investigated, the staff had photos of Madeleine that the man handed to an individual called C**** and his girlfriend to be distributed.

SC: Ah ah, yes.

DCF: Its in the part where it mentions that there was a van, and says that it was parked at the back of Robert Murat'’ garden, and that you never saw anyone use the van, but you remember that it had something to do with the cleaning staff.

SC: Yes, to transport the bedlinen and towels.

DCF: Yes. It says here that you never saw anyone drive it, you just know that you saw it parked, did you ever notice that it was missing or do you remember always seeing it there?

SC:Humm, no...no it was not always there, I saw it about two or three times.

Unknown said...

Really just goes on to say that he does not remember seeing them in a car, does not think there was anything odd about their behaviour, Gerry's favourite sport is golf, he recalls playing tennis with him in between about two and four that day, appeared to be a devoted dad but never really saw Kate with the children, they were gutted afterwards.

He clearly does not feel the McCanns were involved in spite of many pressing questions from DC Ferguson.

Unknown said...

Oddly, virtually no comments on it on 3 As, not even from the Pros, which you would think there would be given he is pretty helpful to the McCanns, in the main...It seems odd the Mcs have not mentioned this rasta man or grey haired man or young man in the garage! If it was my child, I would be there day and night, watching them like a hawk!

nancy said...

Hi Viv

Lots of snow here at the moment - I hope it settles for a couple of days - I love the snow! Sub zero temperatures too.

Thanks for all the interesting posts - you've certainly been on the ball today!

I'd never heard of Stephen Carpenter before, so it's all completely new to me.

He said there were ten people making up the tapas table.

He also said that Murat spoke to Gerry and Kate about interpreting for them and spoke as if this was the first time they'd met. Yet it has been common knowledge throughout that the met in Exeter at a Labour Conference. If that's true, why didn't they recognise each other. And remember Gerry's reaction later when asked if he knew Murat.

Murat generously offered to act as translator and then they just turned on him later when it suited them to make him the patsy.

He must have obviously been staying at the same complex and I don't think he would make it all up - unless he was 'got at'!

Then we have the rasta man and the Portuguese man in the garage. All news to me too. When did this statement come to light?

It seems strange,if it's true, for an 18 year old to sleep in the garage surrounded by toys! I'm sure the PJ's looked well in to that!

What I find coincidental about all the statements, including the tapas pals, is that none of them seem have seen Madeleine around the place, almost as if she wasn't there at all!

They all paused and spoke incoherently when asked about Maddie. I wonder why?

But then we have the photo taken on the tennis court so that rules that out.

Nx

Wizard said...

Hi Viv and all,

I find this statement a little confusing. Firstly Steve Carpenter refers to 10 people in the T9 group twice. Secondly he says his wife and children left the T9 at 9.15 – 9.30 returning to their apartment and saw nobody. They would have walked across the road where Gerry and Jes Wilkins were talking but did not see them, he also did not see Gerry returning to Tapis Bar and didn’t see Jane Tanner either coming or going and did not of course see bundle man. He further didn’t see Oldfield or O’Brien who were making their checks at this time. His movements seem to have the precision timing of a theatrical farce where he misses everyone by seconds. (i.e. People coming and going through doors but miss seeing each another.) This of course assumes the T9 were where they said they were at a given time.

Thirdly his wife recalls hearing someone calling Madeleine not urgently he does not think. At 9.15/9.30pm who was that? Did an abductor know her name, was it Gerry looking for Madeleine in the apartment or trying to wake her, was it Oldfield checking on Madeleine at approximately 9.30 it’s all very confusing.

It was interesting to read there was so many empty apartments near by although he tells us they were searched I just wonder how well and did Keela and Eddie duplicate the earlier search of these apartments?

The PJ, Kate and Gerry did not seem to be particularly interested in the laundry man or the man with grey hair. Did they check them out and eliminate them for their enquiries? Or did they not bother? Mr Carpenter’s statement creates a whole load of new unanswered questions.

hope4truth said...

Hi Wizard

It is strange that Kate and Gerry did not find everyone that was in the complex strange and a suspect...

If my child were missing I would suspect every one around me...

I would like to know why they tried to set Murrat up though he had to know something that they needed to keep quiet...

What is very strange is the only people to see him that night were their friends why did these people need to lie?

If I were the McCann's and really belived that my child had been abducted I would be asking these people why they were trying to upset the investigation by lying....

And if JT was one of my friends and I was innocent I would have her round the bloody throat demanding to know why she was lying and what she had done with my child or at least what she bloody knew...

Then again each one of the T7 who refused to go back for a reconstruction would have me screaming in their faces day and night until they went back to help my child and stop thinking of themselves...

The more I read the more it is obvious what a farce this is not a single person in PDL in their happy holiday group want to do what normal people would do without even thinking about getting legal advice.. Especialy the Mother who would not answer questions for their daughter?

Dear God this is getting more discutsting by the day Adults are supposed to defend children and keep them safe not make money from them and spin the truth to suit them what the hell has this country come to rewarding neglectful parents with cash who have never done one damn thing to try and find their daughter including searching in the first few minutes for her...

Unknown said...

Hiya both, well I only found this statement on 3 As earlier and had never heard of it before either.

I did NOT notice the significance that you both picked up on about TEN TAPAS and that is very interesting. Maybe this is where all those rumours came from then. I wonder if it was that Geraghty? or whether he is just mistaken?

I cannot say I have seen any definitive evidence that Gerry knew Murat before, I wonder if it just he did not want to comment because there had been allegations made against him and he feared getting himself into even more trouble! It rather sounded like, the other guy who looks like Murat was there that night, perhaps the 50 year old man, grey haired man, is he the estate agent who also looks like both Murat and Payne. Maybe that was an explanation as to where the confusion came from?? But if so, why on earth did OB, Fiona and Rachel go back in July at the PJs request and have that awful confrontation with Murat outright accusing him, I think when you get chance to think it through it again shows why the police are interested in this lot!

I can recall in OB's statement he tries to backpeddle from accusing Murat, saying well he was there that night and he was being really nice and helpful but he then says well maybe I was mistaken and I did not see him until the next morning! Little bit of perverting the course of justice being admitted there., If he can admit he was mistaken the following year in April 08 how come he could not admit that in July 07? I really do think him and Tanner are in the sh!t, and I have always said that as well!

Nancy it has been snowing here too, earlier on it was windy and I even thought about putting some washing out but then looked again and the wind had dropped and a puddle had frozen I just thought dont be daft, they are seriously overcharging me on the monthly direct debits might as well carry on using the tumble drier! Scottish Power in their wisdom now decided I should be paying £160 per month! In spite of 40% reduction in wholesale gas prices will not be reducing their prices until after the winter, robbing sods, and they will owe me a fortune! Sorry I digress!

The young man in the garage with the toys sounds a bit sus I know but I am sure the PJs well and truly checked him out! Actually both Luke and I had soft toys in our respective bedrooms until not long ago, now I just put them away for the grandchildren since we updated a bit! Bloody badgers and frogs and all sorts!

I think that is the consistently worrying thing that no one really seems to be able to say they ever saw Kate and Gerry out and about with their children. He just says he saw Gerry get her from creche I think and of course he was a lovely doting dad. Well we can look above to see he knows how to put a smile on, we have seen plenty of them, when he should have been very sad really!

I want to try and look at all the witness statements on this blog so that it can be seen we are fairly considering all the evidence, I did think it was very odd he said his wife heard someone calling Maddie around 9.30 ish when they went back with their kids I think. There was a rumour before that Kate had gone back to the apt much earlier that night, I will continue to try and get more statements and put them on here for us to have a look at. Of course how much credence we can give them we can then decide!

I do think the letter at the top of the this thread from the Home Office is very helpful in confirming they are still investigating and do not want to put Maddie at risk or prevent anyone from getting a fair trial. That sounds very much to me like they think she may be alive and also that they may be thinking of prosecuting someone too!

I think Tanner took the tennis court pic of Maddie, it is very peculiar there is not a single pic Kate and Gerry took of her, now why would they not bother!

Wiz good point, it was deathly quiet when they walked back at 9.15 to 9.30 never saw anyone at all! It is very confusing as to who was calling, tantalisingly we do not get whether it was a male or a female voice!

I was also very relieved to read that all apartments were opened and searched! From what I gather Eddie and Keela were only taken to the TAPAS apartments. I am sure they had their reasons for that! It seems to me by that stage they were quite certain the TAPAS were involved in her disappearance and so limited the searches to that but also the beach, but the dogs in that area would be a waste of time in terms of picking up any scent months later.

It does open up more interesting questions, most notably why are Kate and Gerry not interested in these other people, why has the Pink Gobber not held up a picture of them! Instead they pick on someone who clearly had nothing to do with it at all!

I did not post it to give us answers necessarily but an enquiring mind obviously wants to know what the issues are, as we clearly do and what actual witnesses are saying, I can understand the Home Office being concerned that so much has been let out the bag and why Stu Prior went to Portugal and said now look there has to be a limit on this and I think it is the really sinister stuff that involves them we arenot being allowed to see..and you know what I think that may well involve!

Poor Maddie I just wish they would make some more progress but maybe this year!

xx

Unknown said...

Hello Hope, sorry I had not seen your post when replying.

It certainly is a farce and as this statement clearly shows there were sus characters that they looked at. It clearly shows up even more how ridiculous their "private investigators" are. They cannot get involved with the actual police investigation so look for others or they say they are going to follow up what the police have already done, I do not see how they could do that, or even why they would!

But I will say this much, there is no way a genuine parent could be kept away from such men as are mentioned here or even fail to mention them in the circumstances of Maddie genuinely having been abducted by a stranger and quite naturally as this man clearly did, you would suspect people from an apartment that directly overlooks the Mcs flat! But not a word, not a whisper in spite of all the vocalisation from the Pink Prat! They just cannot be serious I would hound those blokes like hell if it was my child and no threats from police officer would have made me run away either! They ran like the couple of scared guilty criminals that they are!


xx

Unknown said...

Have not read this yet!

Translation:


Statement by: Neil Berry
Occupation:
2 pages
Date: 23rd April 2008
Signature _________________________________________

I am the above mentioned person, resident at the address previously provided to the police. I have previously made two statements to the police with relation to my holidays in Portugal in April and in May (2007). I stayed at the Praia da Luz resort and was there at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. I travelled to Portugal with my wife and our two children. We arrived on Saturday 28th April 2007.

Today I received a visit from two police officers from Leicestershire police with the purpose of clarifying some aspects and obtaining some information if possible. I was told that these questions came as a follow-up to a letter of request sent by the Portuguese authorities. I am conscious that my statement will be subject to the Portuguese Criminal Code as well as to English law.
I was asked whether I wanted to read my original statement in order to refresh my memory and I was granted this authorisation.

What follows are the positive replies to the questions that were put to me in the following order.

With relation to what I did on Thursday 3rd May 2007.
Given the time that had passed, my memory of this day is relatively vague. I did not leave the resort during my stay. I remember that my oldest daughter did not return to the Mark Warner Children’s Club after lunch and that we spent the afternoon together as a family.

At about 16.00 we were at the swimming pool bar within the complex. It was at this time that we had a few drinks with Raj Balu, Jayne Jensen and Anne Wiltshire, as I testified in my statement of 8th January 2008. My family returned to the apartment at about 17.000 and the four of us remained at the pool bar. I must have stayed there for another half an hour before joining my family in the apartment. When I left Jensen and Wiltshire remained at the bar. I do not remember whether Raj left with me or whether he stayed at the bar. From there I returned to my apartment and to my family.

With regard to where I took my meals and with whom:
I do not remember what we did at lunchtime on 3rd May. I only remember about the evening. I tried to reserve a table at the Tapas Bar for that night but it was fully booked. I spoke about this with Raj Balu and we decided to order a meal from the restaurant and we dined together in our apartment, as testified in my statement of 7th May 2007.

With regard to where I was at 18.00, whom I was with and the fact that I was seen by a witness at this time next to stairs and lift of block 5 of the Ocean Club:
I am not certain where I was at 18.00. It is possible that I was already in my apartment or returning from the bar. In order to arrive at my apartment I would walk along the side of the pool, crossing the stairs of block 4. If I were with someone, this person would be Raj, but as I have already said I do not remember whether I returned with him or before him. I do not remember having seen a lift in any of the apartment blocks. I was not in block 5, but had to pass by it in order to arrive at my apartment. It is possible that I was on the other side of the street opposite block five.

With relation to one of the Ocean Club employees having passed close by:
I do not remember having seen Ocean Club staff collecting dirty laundry at this hour.

With relation to where I was between 18.00 and 23.00:
After I returned to the apartment I was with my wife and children. The children went to bed at 19.00 and Raj arrived at our apartment with his family, carrying a cot for his son. We did not manage to set the cot up and I went to find a member of staff. I found a Mark Warner employee, whose name I cannot remember but she was the girlfriend of a maintenance employee called Rob. She accompanied us back to the apartment and managed to set up the cot. We put Raj’s child to bed and sat down to relax and have a drink, once the children were asleep.

At about 20.00 Raj and I went to the Tapas restaurant to place our order and wait for our meal. I think that we had a drink while we waited. I do not remember exactly what we ordered but I think it included red cabbage. When we left with the meal we took the same walk back, along the pool, crossing the road back to the apartment. I think that our apartment was 4G.
I remember that at dinner that the McCanns were not at the restaurant at the time that we left and we did not see them while Raj and I were there.

Once back at the apartment we had dinner and remained there.

From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added.

With regard to Rajinder Balu:
I met Raj at the welcome ceremony when we arrived at the resort on 28th April 2007. I did not travel with him and we had not met before. I got on well with him and later on we discovered that our wives had both worked for the same company. We did not normally spend the days together, but we would meet up on some evenings to dine and drink. Raj and I spent two evenings watching football matches in a local bar. I do not remember any other information or explanations that are relevant or which could in any way help this inquiry.

Unknown said...

Well unfortunately we do not see the main body of his evidence, but on the whole it is an indication of how normal families with children on hols behave!

xx

Unknown said...

I wonder if he is this weird blond those two women were on about, that were on the front page of the daily mail, is that the two he is referring to?

Seems to me like everyone was getting the finger poked at!

Unknown said...

Have not found those two women yet but I just found this where The Sun are naming the main three Payne, OB and Tanner, when you read stories like this it is hard to really understand how people can say our papers have been so favourable to them!

McCann pals to face cop quiz

Published: 29 Feb 2008
PORTUGUESE cops are to jet to Britain to interview Kate and Gerry McCann and their pals in a last-ditch bid to solve Maddie’s disappearance.

They want to quiz David Payne, Jane Tanner and partner Russell O’Brien, it was claimed.

Authorities have waited months for UK approval, but a source told newspaper 24 horas: “We are finalising the last few details. Within ten days’ a team of investigators will travel to the UK.”

Maddie went missing around 10pm from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz last May as her parents ate with pals in a nearby restaurant.

Dr O’Brien, 36, was away from the group at the time changing bed linen after his child was sick. But staff say no-one asked for new sheets.

Portuguese police have made formal requests to seize Kate McCann’s diary, said to show how the GP struggled with the daily routine of work and childcare.

Unknown said...

Oh my goodness this idiot is still dissing dogs specifically trained to find blood and corpses, saying they indicate to rubber seals etc, when as Grime explained he was indicating to a smell he had been trained to indicate to which can only be human! Given PC Grime report is not conclusive evidence against the Mcs why is Rosie still so upset about this?? Obviously gone back several posts on my blog to find this one and pick it out?

Is this more diversionary tactics to stop us focussing on other more telling evidence, well I can tell you this much Rosie, we are not going to shut up about the accounts or the Smith/Tanner sighting of your beloved hero, Gerry McCann, oh are you Gerry:-))) Such people do love themselves and get very nasty!
"A dog is a dog" Oh Please! These dogs are not pets, they are working dogs who have never given a false indication but we are not going to give this any more prominence than it deserves in light of PC Grime's reports. So give it up! I know it is much worse for the McCanns if Gerry took her alive and I still think he probably did, because the police clearly think she is still alive, see the letter just written from the Home Office at the top of this blog, you are not subtle, you are not clever!


Rosiepops said...

J J said...
Hello Viv

Why are you thinking that Madeleine was taken alive?

What about the dog evidence.

Not just the blood. That might be able to be explained away. But the evidence that a body was there.

Dogs don't lie.

Saturday, 31 January 2009 14:13:00 o'clock GMT

JJ, you say dogs do not lie, something else they cannot do is speak, so we have no idea what they were alerting to, or if there was anything they were alerting to at all.

What do you think about Eddie alerting to cardboard and coconut shell in Jersey? Absolutely no DNA evidence was found, yet Eddie alerted an positive to them.

Dogs get confused around rubber and where Eddie indicated was a rubber seal!

Why did Eddie only indicate to the seal on the drivers side of thr hire car, when DNA was supposed to have been recovered in the boot, indicating if Madeleine was there, she was in the boot. Wouldn't the so called scent of death be strong at the boot end of the car?

Why did Eddie have to be forced to come back to the hire SIX times before he was so confused he indicated?

How do we know that evidence (if it was there)wasn't planted?

How do we know that Eddie wasn't alerting to a scent left by one of the many people this apartment was let to 'AFTER' the McCanns moved out of there?

Can you explain why Eddie in one clip, just casually tossed cuddle cat aside uninterested in it indicating a negative and went off somewhere else, yet Eddie indicated a positive to it, when either cuddle cat crawled into the cupboard on its own, or a policeman moved it there after Eddie had already tossed it away uninterested?

Who moved cuddle cat from one room to another placing it in the cupboard for Eddie to find later?
Did the person who moved cuddle cat not realise that Eddie had already discarded it?

This odd negative/positive, is actually very incriminating against the PJ and indicates something very underhand happening there.

My point is that the dogs cannot tell you all of this and without corroborating evidence, there is no evidence, so you are totally wrong to write what you have.

A dog is a dog is a dog!
01 February 2009 17:31

Niki said...

Evening Viv and All:-)

Thank you for posting those statments. Even though there are not any big news, it gives a more balanced view of the "every-day-life" at the holiday-resort and what actually happend after the alarm went on the 3.May.

Living in a summer-hot-country, I would just add to the bed-in-the-garage-observation, that it is not unusual! When the midday arrives with unbearabel heat, people have a meal and a siesta. If their home is at a distance from work, and they have to be back at work in the afternoon, they simply find a cool spot to put a bed and have their siesta.

---

Here is a blog I found, worth sharing:

And how many brothers and sisters do you have?
by Anna Raccoon on February 1, 2009



A standard question posed by many adults to a small child. Easily within a four year old child’s capacity to answer in words of one syllable.

What a minefield that question will present for young Sean and Amelie McCann.

How to answer? One, but I did have two? Two, but one is missing? There are three of us, but our parents lost one? These are complicated answers, confusing to both the twins and the adult enquirer.

Will special instructions be given to all the teachers at their school, when they are old enough to attend next year. ‘Do not refer to other siblings in class’.

What to make of the article in yesterday’s Sun saying that Madeleine has ‘left a Birthday present for them’ - how are they to digest that information.? Did Madeleine arrive in the night like some fairy princess version of Father Christmas and leave the present? Why didn’t they see her? Worse, following the news last year from now-deceased expert Ray Wye, who told us that the twins were being encouraged to play ‘hunt the monster who took Madeleine’ - was the scary monster with her’? We are told that “Sometimes Sean and Amelie make phone calls to her on their toy phones, then go off to find her.” Four months after her disappearance, the brother and sister of Madeleine McCann were still insisting on leaving a plate of food out for her. Little doubt then, that Sean and Amelie are painfully aware of both the existence and disappearance of their old sister.

Twin experts tell us that twins share a deeper less conditional relationship than mere siblings, but as a result of this, also suffer more anxiety that they may lose their twin than do mere siblings. How much deeper must that anxiety be when they have witnessed the loss of a sibling.

One night Sean and Madeleine cried out in unison - the next she was gone. Does Sean still cry? Does Amelie risk crying with him?

As the twins grow older, will they wonder why every stage in their development provided yet another excuse for a press release, including helpful quotes from ‘friends’ close to the family who know all the details of presents and cakes. Do you suppose they will buy themselves a copy of The Sun on the day before their 18th birthday in order to find out what treats lie in store for them?

We will all be thinking of them today, and wishing them as easy a passage toward adulthood as is possible under the circumstances. Poor little mites.

Nature versus Nurture, the age old debate, is the bosom of your family the safest place to be?

Unknown said...

I can recall being in Spain as a young girl and insisting that I was not going to have an afternoon siesta, I was goingt to play in the garden and then paying for it when the skin fell off my back! What you say about this man have a cool place to lie down near work makes perfect sense to me!

Thanks for that post, I really feel for the twins and all they are going to have to face in life, which is why I also saw them very much as the victims too and they are also named in this blog. It has always saddened me that they were not moved to other relatives when they were just turned two because the damage would have been considerably lessened. They have been denied a normal happy life by their own parents and that is a terrible tragedy which it seems just never even occurred to them, they are so utterly lacking in normal human empathy, just wrapped up in their own needs and self-preservation.

xx

Unknown said...

Speaking of every day life on that "holiday". We learn that Gerry's favourite sport is golf and his friend Geragthy lives on a golfing complex I believe and which Brian Kennedy was involved in building.

So are we expected to believe that this selfish man who thought entirely of his me time on this holiday never once went and played golf, I think he must have done!

There is a connection here, I am sure!

And that is why they never refer to it!

xx

Wizard said...

Just reading back there’s a lot to take in and all very interesting.
No snow in London yet but it’s absolutely freezing. Wow your heating bills are high Viv I thought mine were bad enough.

Wizard said...

Oh....just looked out the window and everything is now covered in snow. Must have come down in the last 20 minutes.

hope4truth said...

The twins will investigate what happed to their older sister themselves in less than 8 years time probebly when they start secodary school...

I can remeber my Eldest daughter looking through pictures by herself and nearly jumping out of her skin when I asked her what she was looking for... She was really embaressed but finaly she admited that she and her cousin had been talking earlier in the day and my niece had found some wedding pictures of her Mum WITH ANOTHER MAN!!!!!! So they had set to solve the mystery by looking at photos of her second wedding where my niece was about 1 and my daughter was to look for more evidence of THE OTHER MAN...

I had to explain that I would not have any pictures of THE OTHER MAN as it was Daddy's Brothers wife and I did not know her then. But explained to my own daughter that she had indeed been married before but my Brother in Law was my nieces Dad and there was no big mystery... I then had to call my sister in law and tell her what was going on so she could put my nieces mind at rest...

I think they were about 8 when this happend and I guess there had never been the right time to talk about something that had happend long before she was born and I do belive they were both disapointed there was not more of a scandel behind it...

Sadly when the twins go searching they will find some very nasty things about what happend and how Kate will explaine to them why Madeleine was not worth searching for or answering a single question for is beyond me... Poor little things...

Wizard said...

I was just thinking if MBM’s body was found would it collaborate the evidence found by the dogs? I just wonder how significant this would be in terms of possible legal proceedings. After all this time it would of course not be possible to give an exact time of death only an approximation. Even if death was proved to be by unnatural causes it would still be difficult to prove who did the deed.

bath theory said...

Wizard lots of snow on the edge of London here

bath theory said...

I remember talk about an emergency tracheo... a long time ago re blood.

Wizard said...

Hi BT
Yes that was Dr_Val who went into detail about this. It’s a possibility. BTW snow now falling very heavily.

dylan said...

Evening all,

My internet went down sometime between my last post last night and around 11pm and I've only just managed to get it back online again this eve with the help of a friend. I think it is something to do with my router!

I therefore have a lot to read back on but have read most including have a looksee on the purple blog. I see they have finally resorted to calling me "Dildo" - ha ha! - brilliant! :-) I never would have thought of that myself, how ingenious of you! Anyway, as you will appreaciate, the post from anon in upper-case could not have been from me, since all I have been able to access on my PC is offline stuff! I am not the only one who refers to "Bum" and "Poops", I think you will find it was Docmac that started that one off. However, congrats to anon, coudln't have put it better myself :-))))

Viv, the interview is interesting. Did you notice the bit where SC asks for the word "disapeared" to be said again? Do you think that that was because he was unhappy with the word itself or just misunderstood the question?

Off to watch telly. BBL. xx

Unknown said...

Hiya all

It is snowing here too in Warks and blumming cold!

My heating bills are not that high they are seriously overcharging and making my account way in credit! I do not think it should be more than about £120 but I am fed up of trying to take them to task! One of these days I will just stop the DD! I have recently had a new boiler so that should more than compensate for this cold snap! I think we are heavy on the elec though two big plasmas, two computers loads of washing and tumbling fish pump constant, spot lights everywhere etc. Luke is simply gadget crazy! and as you know my computer is on for hours at a time with yet another pretty big telly because me eyes are dim:-)))

Unknown said...

Hiya Dilly

We had loads of trouble with the internet after the builders had been in, it is maddening when you cannot get on I know! We thought it was the router (perhaps full of dust I reasoned) but in the main I think it turned out it was our ISP although they did not care to admit that! I think the lines around here are pretty primitive this is not London!!

Well Dildo yes I saw that, they are quite pathetic, still like a room full of 13 year old bullies from a sink estate with the foul stuff they come out with! I see they are now suggesting the Doc gets called out to me! They seem to have some very perverted ideas about what I do with a man in SA whilst I am here in Warks!

Unknown said...

I think practically everyone on here and many on 3 As too I think calls it Poops but I have always preferred Psycho, normal this person is not!

xxx

nancy said...

Just read back - some good comments from everyone.

Viv - I would seriously think of stopping your direct debit - they are having a laugh aren't they? You must be paying for a couple of neighbours too!

And just what are plasmas? I thought plasma was a component of blood! All these new fangled names for things!!

About the McCanns. I personally think it's unkind and very misleading of them to keep this farce up about Madeleine to the twins, because they were so young when she went missing, I doubt they remember her except by photos. And how disappointed they will be when if after time goes by she has still not returned.

Maybe they are trying to assuage their own guilt by making the twins believe their elder sister will one day be reunited with them. Not healthy really.

But then this couple rarely do anything that most normal parents would do.

Off to bed now with my hot water bottle and a good book! Oh and my other half too of course!

Nx

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Great posts been reading them on and off today.

Read you tomorrow. x

Unknown said...

Hiya Nancy

I have read about it, it is the latest con from Power companies to boost their business and make sure you cannot just swap to another supplier because they owe you hundreds! I am going to have to seriously tackle them it has just not been a priority at the moment but tackle them I must! I have tried the polite emails and that just does not work..

Plasmas are just tellies, modern ones are either that or LCD.

The most shocking thing I heard from Kate f ing McCann was they play

let's hunt the monster who took Maddie

she really does need a shrink!

Maybe they really do have some idea where she is and think they can get her back, but god knows she wouldnot go back to them and what sort of state would she be in, I just dread to think, it is unimaginable, it is almost like he is so perverted he thinks she could be with paedophiles and still be OK!

Enjoy your book!

Zodiac, hi darling, anything exciting on 3 As?

xx

hope4truth said...

Viv

Cancel your DD take a meter reading and call the company ask tehm how much they owe you (they may send a meter reader out to confirm you are not lying about the reading) and then they will send you a cheque or pay the money into the account they took it from....

Last year our boiler was condemed and for about 8 months we had no gas as it was switched off (electric shower's dishwasher and cold fill washing machine) so we did not miss it... The company I use at work were busy so I told them as long as I had heat by October there was no rush to replace the whole system...

Anyway botom line they owed me nearly £500 and it was in my account within a week...

Dont wait you can pay them what you want to a month as long as if you owe them an extra amount every couple of months you pay the diffrence...

I know the intrest rates are rubbish at the moment but better in your account than in theirs...

xxx

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope

That sounds like a pretty good idea, I will haveto get Luke to do that though because the gas meter is in the front garden and it is buried in shrubs I just cannot get at it!

xx

hope4truth said...

Oh LOL

Well it may well be snowed in for a few days so you will have to wait!!!

No Snow here yet I am very disapointed!!!

Off to bed see you xxx

Unknown said...

Nite Hope

Last time I looked there was not much snow, I think it is too flipping cold for that!

xx

Unknown said...

What a sensible poster who accepts that reality that paedophiles are common, they really do exist, and they can and invariably do appear completely normal to the outside world. I know from my former work they were often smart professional men, they are just not like an average criminal at all, they don't do petty theft, drink drive, smoke cannabis etc, they abide by all the rules but they abuse children because they are very sick, they like to control and often control their wives too, with brute force if needs be. They lack the normal ability to put themselves in someone else's shoes, because that is just they way they are, or sometimes because of the damage they themselves have suffered whilst children, frequently having been abused sexually/physically/emotionally themselves. To them the child is perfectly OK with it and they are not doing anything wrong at all. It is very difficult to dissuade a serious sex offender from these attitudes and they invariably will present a serious risk to children, for life.


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Post subject: Re: Did Gerry abduct Maddie?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:24 pm
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Fred wrote:
Sadly, I do believe that there are evil men out there who would sell - or 'hire out' their daughters for obscene purposes. Not all fathers are normal, decent, sane and caring. I am not saying that is what happened here but it is a mistake to assume that all fathers are good people.



I agree. Many paedos are "normal" fathers or mothers on the surface.


IF McCanns are such people - and why, why not should they be - they would genuinely see nothing wrong in giving Madeleine away. They could believe she would be happy, or, at very least that "no serious harm had come to her".


I mused many moons ago, that this was the intention for Madeleine, but something went wrong and she was accidentally killed/died in 3A; her pre-arranged captor took her anyway to protect K&G.


It was GM's early stressing of "we think she's been taken by a British paedophile ring..." that jolted me. Why did he say a British paedo ring? Why British? Why ring?


Is Madeleine still held within a British paedo ring, whose members are???????? (no names here)

Unknown said...

Bumped this question of Di's because it did not seem to get an answer and I can see what she is driving at!! Did he go and get rid of the body..or other "items".

I have a recollection the explanation for hiring the car was so that other family members could use it, not sure if it was him, does anyone know? I have read so many statements now! I think it was actually Gerry's sister and her husband who were there at that time looking after the twins.

Unknown said...

Di said...

Was Jon Corner in Huelva when Kate & Gerry were visiting the Pope?
Friday, 30 January 2009 19:18:00 o'clock GMT

Unknown said...

Maddie was timid but very intelligent and I note another nanny says that she cried on the boat that morning I am frightened. This is a very different child to the outgoing one Gerry McCann describes. I think it is very significant that he chooses to lie about this because abuse clearly makes children timid and frightened at things for no good reason.

Amy Ellen Tierney (statement translated by Robert Murat)
Creche Worker
Time/Date: 15H45 2007/05/06
England
• Questioned about Madeleine, Amy notes that Madeleine was timid but very intelligent for her age and would play with the older children;
• Also knows Madeleine’s parents—although it is the father who would normally pick her up from the club;
• Did not notice anything out of the ordinary with the parents;
• Affirmed that the McCanns never took advantage of the complementary children services which ran from 19H30 to 23H30;
• Affirms that on the night of the disappearance, she went to the room to check and see if the child was hidden and noticed that the window was open and the blinds lifted;
• The first idea that came to her was whether Madeleine would leave on her own accord. She asked the parents the whereabouts of Madeleine’s shoes and they responded that they were in their proper place. These facts led her to later believe that Madeleine had been taken by someone;
• Even though there was a bed right under the window, and that the child could have climbed on the bed to get out through the window, the witness does not think it would be possible for her to lift the blinds. Nor does she believe it would not have been possible for a child of her age to climb out the window without falling as the window was very high off the ground;
• Responding to questioning, responds that the front door was locked but was not aware whether the patio door was locked; as when she got there, the McCanns and a friend (whose name she does not remember) were standing at the open doorway;
• Witness also affirms that the child’s father went to the reception to call Police, shortly after hearing about the disappearance, and that 20 minutes had passed;
• The G.N.R arrived in 20 or 30 minutes to the site;
• Did not notice anything out of the ordinary with anyone or with the children;
• Witness notes that when she entered 5A on May the 3rd, the two toddlers were sleeping, and noticed that on the bed next to them was wrinkled clothing—as if someone had been sitting on it [the bed];
• Madeleine’s bed, she noticed, had the covers pulled back and on top of the table was a small comforter and a stuffed toy;
• She states that the distance from the apartment to the restaurant was about 30 seconds on foot but that there is no visual contact to the patio doors.

Unknown said...

Of course children who are left alone in a strange dark place to cry for lengthy periods in itself would make them timid and frightened, perhaps! But this would tend to suggest it was her nature and character rather than what she had just developed because the McCanns suddenly became abusive parents, this just does not happen!

Unknown said...

Portuguese judge insists dog evidence unsatisfactory and further questioning MUST be conducted by BRITISH officers..I entirely agree!

Kate's bizarre complaints about Maddie's behaviour as a baby and aged just 20 months when twins born. She suggests this explains the "strong bond" but research evidence suggests that mother's who are unable to cope with their little ones, can fail to bond with them due their feelings of anguish,helplessness and anger at the child who is causing a severe dent to their self esteem.

Very telling remark:

"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."

and 'it cannot be considered a crime' I beg to differ!

This clearly suggests she knows the children were left "deeply asleep" and she knows the circumstances of what happened to Maddie!

Daily Mail - 17 Sept 2007 wrote:
Kate McCann has revealed that she struggled to control Madeleine McCann after the birth of her and Gerry's twins, it was revealed today.

Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.

In an interview given to a Portuguese magazine before she was named as a suspect in the case of the four-year-old's disappearance, Kate also said the first six months of Madeleine's life were "very difficult" and that the girl had suffered from colic.

The revelations come as police said they were trawling through Kate's medical records amid suspicions in Portugal that she may have had a history of depression.

The detailed analysis of her medical notes could provide them with significant evidence against the GP, who is a suspect in the case of Madeleine's disappearance.

Speaking about Madeleine's upbringing, Kate, a 39-year-old GP, told Portugal's Flash! magazine: "She cried practically for 18 hours a day. I had to permanently carry her around."

This period explained "the strong bond between mother and daughter", she said.

Although the arrival of the twins Sean and Amelie shook up Madeleine's life, she accepted them very well, said Kate.

"She managed to deal perfectly with this new reality, although she herself at the time was still a baby.

"The worst thing is that she started to demand lots of attention, especially when I was breast-feeding them.

Madeleine McCann: Would run around screaming and demanding attention after her twin brother and sister were born

"She would run up and down screaming in the background, shouting for my attention."

Mrs McCann also insisted that she and her husband were "truly responsible parents" and had committed no crime.

Speaking of the night Madeleine disappeared, she said: "I was sure immediately that she didn't walk out of that room. I never doubted that she had been taken by someone.

"I went through a phase of guilt for not knowing what happened to her. I blamed myself for thinking that the place was safe.

"But the certainty that we are truly responsible parents has helped me carry on.

"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."

Asked about whether she and her husband were responsible for their daughter's disappearance, she said: "It cannot be considered a crime. Someone committed one, but not us."

Portuguese newspapers continued to report today that Mrs McCann will be re-interviewed in the UK this week by British police on behalf of the Algarve authorities.

But a spokeswoman for the McCanns said the couple had to date received no request for new interrogation.

The judge in the case, Pedro Daniel dos Anjos Frias, rejected prosecutors' request to have the McCanns brought back to Portugal for further questioning, the Correio da Manha said.

He insisted that the fresh interviews should be carried out by British police in the UK, according to the paper.

The re-interviewing will only take place when further DNA testing in Birmingham is completed, either tomorrow or Wednesday.

A letter of appeal will be sent to Britain, setting out all the questions Portuguese detectives want to ask the couple, along with the evidence supporting their hypothesis, the Correio da Manha reported.

A source told the paper there was only a "very low" probability that Portuguese officers would be allowed to sit in on the interviews.

A McCann family spokeswoman said today: "We have been in touch with the lawyers to try and get a steer on what is in the Portuguese papers.

"They assure us we have had no request to date for any further questioning, either from the Portuguese police or in the UK."

She could not say whether the McCanns' legal team was expecting the couple to be re-interviewed.

Since Kate and Gerry McCann were named as official suspects last week, there have been suggestions in Portugal that Madeleine was given drugs on the night of her disappearance.

The accusations have been strenuously denied by the couple but have not been ruled out by police. Although the order to seize medical files came from the Portuguese authorities, the background searches are being carried out by Leicestershire police.

A copy of Mrs McCann's diary has also been seized by police, who are now waiting for permission from the judge to seize and dismantle the McCanns' hire car so they can search for "traces of skin".

It has been reported that DNA evidence with a match to Madeleine was found in the Renault Scenic 25 days after their daughter vanished.

Yesterday it emerged the McCanns are trying to knock down potential evidence retrieved after two British sniffer dogs, capable of detecting blood and human remains, were used in the investigation in August.

One of the dogs picked up a "scent of deathî on items ranging from Mrs McCann's clothes to Madeleine's favourite soft toy Cuddle Cat.

Leaked reports from the investigation have suggested that Madeleine's parents could have accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body using the car. Although they do not know the full details of the Portuguese prosecutors' case against them, the McCanns are concerned that it may rest on the dog's reaction.

The couple's legal team has now consulted the lawyers of an American man accused of murdering his estranged wife in a case where "cadaver dog" evidence was central. They want to highlight the judge's dismissal of such evidence in the high-profile Eugene Zapata murder trial in Madison, Wisconsin.

Mr Zapata's estranged wife, flight instructor Jeanette Zapata, was 37 when she vanished in October 1976 after seeing her three children off to school.

Her body has never been found. Detectives suspected Mr Zapata of involvement in her disappearance but did not charge him because of a lack of evidence.

Police decided to conduct new searches using cadaver dogs and Mr Zapata, 68, was charged with firstdegree murder last year after the dogs indicated that they had scented human remains in an underfloor crawl space at the former family home and other properties linked to him.

But the judge ruled that the dogs' ability to detect remains was too unreliable, noting that no remains had actually been found.

Unknown said...

NOW THIS IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE MRS CARPENTER IS THE ONE WHO SAY SHE HEARD SOMEONE CALLING MADELEINE MADELEINE AROUND 9.;30 THAT NIGHT

And certainly lend credence to the idea that the most RELEVANT statements as to what actually happened are being kept from us!

I bet if any of the police read our blogs they have a laugh at us trying to figure it out with half the puzzle missing and the best bits too, that really let you see how it all fits together!




Although Mrs Carpenter is included on the list of people questioned during the Rogatory Interviews, her statement is not to be found in the DVD files.

Unknown said...

Morning guys and just one more thought!

If they have Jiminez in custody on very serious charges £25M cocaine, and he was the main field operator for the McCanns I wonder what sort of pressure is being applied to him to start talking about what he was doing on their behalf. It is like there are rumblings of the Metodos being taken to bits, perhaps first?

xx

hope4truth said...

Morning (we have snow)...

Viv

Anyone who would accept money to investigate a missing child and only follow the direction the parents want them to will not be savory people...

Scum who sell drugs will land in jail for years if they can help out for a reduced sentence they wont worry who they drop in it...

Be Safe all of you xxx

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope

Well let us hope it is all part of the plan and they are learning a lot from this man to get himself a few years off, I could cope with that!

I do not think it is just the Portuguese that are helping us here, but the Spanish too!

Snowing quite heavy here now and the garden looks absolutely beautifuly, Nanday has been squaking at it through the window, like hey what goes on here!

So he is on the shoulder now just calming down a bit!

xx

Unknown said...

Geko wrote:
Did you know at Uni our Gerry was 800m champion ?...

So he must be used to do things at a rapid pace then. ;-)

I think that GM was absent from dinner for at least half an hour before KMs alarm as stated by Svetlana S.V and Joacquim Jose M.B.(files) and I think that his absence coincide with the Smith sighting. Due to confusion regarding the timeline we can not place this exact in time but what we do know is that his absence happened just before Kate and the others left the table = alarm.

So the sequence of events according to S.V and Joacquim Jose M.B are:
-Two men leave the table
-One of them whom they believe is the missing girls father (GM?)
-The other one is a tall man (ROB?)
-The man they believe is her father is absent for about 30 minutes.
-He comes back
-When he comes back a woman leaves the table (Kate?)
-A short time after that, they all leave the table. (Alarm?)

The answers to the question-marks are imo most likely yes.

Unknown said...

I love this guy, he certainly put little miss I just come here to be borin an abusive (thereby presumably "supporting" Kate and Gez by some perverse logic) in her place!


And what a brilliant piece of irony, "that remains of interest" (!)

ProfMoriarty
Post subject: Re: That Smith sighting
PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:02 pm
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Hi MandM, the usual route, finding no evidence either of the pair were psychokillers, plumping for 'death in the apartment, by accident or design, most probably by accident'. by that stage, it was too late to row back from the sensational 'abduction' to end up with a mild 'panicked and disposed' charge, which was very light stuff really, legally anyway.

Maybe the PJ do or did have an account of disposal which ruled out the Smith sighting being M - tho it's clear Amaral was expecting a visitor to be arrive back in PT to be questioned again and was horsed off the case just as ...

Either way, the Smith sighting is real, unquestionably. What has interested everyone who is interested in it is the simple fact the McCanns ignored it in favour of SpuriousMan, OurSightingMan, TannerMan. And just about every other bogus insane offensive racist spot that took place across three continents.

That remains of interest.

dylan said...

Good morning all,

There are many schools closed in Norfolk today but not my children's! I think they think that it is just to get at them!!!

Thanks for the wealth of info last night, Viv. I am still trying to digest it all as there is so much to comment on. Did you see my question? I asked if there was any relevance IYO as to SC questioning the "disappearance" word used by DFC. I just wondered if GM had asked SC (since he was in contact with him and they were acquainted) to push the "abduction" word.

xx

Unknown said...

Hiya dilly

It would seem the snow is pretty countrwide, but traffic stil moving here at the moment anyway. It just looks so pretty!

Sorry maybe I am not awak but I cannot think who SC and DFC are! I struggle to remember full names, not my best spot!

xx

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

We have snow also.

Viv,

I pay £175 pm to Scottish Power for my gas and electric. I use my tumble drier more often in the summer I only use it in the winter for bedding and towels. My central heating runs 17 radiators and I use gas for cooking and occasionally use my gas fire, we have a stove use that more than the gas fire, I run one American fridge/freezer, one frost free fridge/fridge freezer in my store room and one fridge/freezer in the garage (have just turned that off recently as it is empty I usually just leave it on with beer, wine and ice in it have decided to be more aware of consumption)) plus all the gadgets and standby stuff. My DD is spot on for my fuel consumption. Use this as a guide to compare yours. You do not have to cancel your contract just give them the up to date meter readings and tell them to send someone out to check them and ask for any monies overpaid to be refunded to you. I think legally they are obliged to refund you. Although the 40% makes me livid. I pay a supplement pm each for gas and electric to protect it from any increases. Just like every other big company they are robbin barstewards!

dylan said...

Hiya Viv,

SC is Stephen Carter and the other is the police officer who interviewed him, but I can't remember her name. This is the passage of the statement I was referring to:

'DCF: Ok. If you can remember the occasion upon which you saw them, how was the children’s behaviour?.

SC: Humm. I can’t reply because I was not concentrating on this type of thing, that’s why...hmmm, I cannot even reply to this.

DCF: No, but I was thinking from the point of view of common sense, after the disappearance of Madeleine, any doubt that you could have had.

SC: Oh, after the disappearance?

DCF: No, what I was thinking here was that after her disappearance, you would probably have reflected upon whether you saw anything'


But on reading again, it look as though SC just got confused as to what the original question was referring to - silly me :-)

xx

Wizard said...

Morning All,
Just a quick comment on the snow. In London all bus services have been cancelled apparently because although the gritters were out last night they were overwhelmed and could not cover all routes. First time I remember this ever happening especially as there was a lot of warning about the impending storm. There are also major restrictions on the underground; most people seem to be taking an unofficial day off, schools locally are shut.

Anonymous said...

Amust read!
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/


Embezzlement and Money Laundering



by Duarte Levy & A. Finkelstein



Metodo 3, the Catalan detective agency hired by Kate and Gerry McCann to find their daughter Madeleine, is quoted today in a large-scale investigation launched by the Spanish authorities to a half-dozen ministries of the Generalitat of Catalonia.

According to the Attorney General's Office note, the Catalan government, in recent years, would have ordered and paid a significant number of reports that seem to have no goal or interest, citing, as for example, a "survey into the socio-economy of a hazelnuts farm" ordered to the detective agency Metodo 3 for the modest sum of 30,000 euros.

According to the Attorney General's Office in charge of the investigation, they are before a case of embezzlement and money laundering.

The investigation of the Spanish authorities started after the denunciations of the "clean hands" collective and targets a case of embezzlement and money laundering, as confirmed by the office of the Attorney General.

Metodo 3: After Maddie now they are searching for nuts

It was the adviser for Agriculture, the Socialist Joaquim Llena, who has commissioned to Francisco Marco - the director of Metodo 3 - a "socio-economic survey of a hazelnuts farm", who has paid 30,000 euros.

According to a spokesman for the Attorney General's Office, "only the agency's name linked to a similar investigation, pushed the investigators to wonder about the real purpose aimed by the adviser's order [for the said survey]."

As stated by a source close to the investigation, the report made by Metodo 3 about the region of Tarragona, the region that mostly produces hazelnuts in Spain, was copied word by word from the internet. An information also confirmed by "El Confidencial" which states that Metodo 3 has copied word by word a report published earlier by the official newspaper of the region on its website.
Source: SOS Maddie

Note: The Generalitat de Catalunya ("Government of Catalonia") is the institution under which the Spanish Autonomous Community of Catalonia is politically organised. It consists of the Parliament, the President of the Generalitat and the Executive Council or Government of Catalonia.


by Joana Morais

Anonymous said...

Oh fook I have just looked out of the window and the snow is teaming down it looks like a blizzard!

bath theory said...

The visit to the Pope may have been two fold.
1) Genuinely ask for forgiveness if they were involved
2) Distract the attention to allow friends etc to operate on their behalf.
I think it very relevant to check the phone records as to the whereabouts of their clan on that day.

bath theory said...

My school is shut so day off with the children. No trains, no trams, no buses, no underground. Its pathetic we think we are so superior in this country and it is virtually always bravado

dylan said...

Hi Zodiac and Wizard,

Zodiac, thanks for the article. 30K for a wikied report, lol! Metodo3 - what a lovely and reputable company the Mcs chose to search for their daughter!

Wizard, this country is so ill- equipped to deal with snow. Everything seems to come to a standstill, but then I suppose it does not make econmical sense to invest in loads of snow clearing vehicles etc. when we rarely get snow this bad. Years ago, when I was travelling to work as a passenger, it took three hours to travel 3 miles to work!

xx

Anonymous said...

'what a lovely and reputable company the Mcs chose to search for their daughter!'

Dylan,

It won't be their fault they are just unlucky!

That M3 report should appear along side the recent Accounts in the press!

dylan said...

Hiya BT,

I never used to get snow days at the schools I worked at which used to cheese me off! The heads were really strict with the staff and we were told that unless you lived in the country and you could prove your road is completely unavigable, we were to come in! How mean?! That meant I had to work as my bl@@dy train never stopped for snow!

xx

dylan said...

Zodiac,

Of course they were unlucky. They were doing thier best to find the most appropriate detectives to find their daughter. The world doesn't have any specialists in finding missing children so a fraud co was the next best thing ;-)

I think someone said on this thread that this is why the 3 hour scouring of the files came out, because they always release something in the press to counter unwanted news! Unfortunately, all that the 3 hour file thing did, was to put Kate in a wistful light, and as somebody put it: 'like somebody in a Mills and Boon story....'

xx

Anonymous said...

Dylan,

If they really wanted to search for their missing child then why are they at home? With the money they have at their disposal (how many parents with children missing have those sorts of finances!) They could have bought a luxury Winnebago and travelled to where they thought their child was. All we have read is they think she is in Spain, Morocco, Belgium etc. Their youngest kids were aged 2 and could have quite easily have adapted to travelling on the search for their missing child. He/she could even have home schooled them. Oh that’s right I read somewhere M went to reading classes FFS! All my kids could read quite well and write a little when they started school, I taught them and my husband played word games with them and we did not p off and leave them home alone whilst we had dinner with friends at home or on holiday! If they were that determined to find they’re missing child then why did they hire a company that specialise in fraud? Hmmm! I remember on the DE posters posting why? Hmmm now that company is being investigated for money laundering hmmm!

Cláudia said...

Hello, all!
You're making me jealous with all that snow talk! :-)
Had to go to the tax department early in the morning (which is always a turn off - forms, forms and more form) but I'm already PMSL again at the M3 thing! :-)

Unknown said...

Well I sit twiddling my thumbs and no one comes and then why I runs, here you comes... I know pathetic!

Ah same robbers, well I use the tumble drier a heck of a lot and the dishwasher quite a bit too, but hardly ever tumble in summer.. But I only have eight radiators although two of them are massive! I have integ fridge and then large upright freezer which I think uses a fair bit of elec because it whirrs a lot! Elec oven,not used that much because we eat out a lot, gas hob. Sounds like you do a lot of food and have a big house! No gas fires, no aga. showers straight off combi boiler. I never have a bath (ankle /knee joints) but Luke does about once a week. I do think from what you are saying your bill should be a lot more than my own, do you have more people too because that sure makes a difference Luke is expensive ! sometimes he even forgets to come out the shower or the bath:-)) and likes all his gadgets on sound has to come thru amp dvd has to come thru computer etc etc. As you have double the radiators and obviously bigger home I would think my own should be about £50 less I will get Luke to read the meters and get in touch with them. I was paying £92 bot long ago, then they upped to 134.50 now 160 and I just think they are having a laugh particularly given I have new boiler which should save gas.

I pay £175 pm to Scottish Power for my gas and electric. I use my tumble drier more often in the summer I only use it in the winter for bedding and towels. My central heating runs 17 radiators and I use gas for cooking and occasionally use my gas fire, we have a stove use that more than the gas fire, I run one American fridge/freezer, one frost free fridge/fridge freezer in my store room and one fridge/freezer in the garage (have just turned that off recently as it is empty I usually just leave it on with beer, wine and ice in it have decided to be more aware of consumption)) plus all the gadgets and standby stuff. My DD is spot on for my fuel consumption. Use this as a guide to compare yours. You do not have to cancel your contract just give them the up to date meter readings and tell them to send someone out to check them and ask for any monies overpaid to be refunded to you. I think legally they are obliged to refund you. Although the 40% makes me livid. I pay a supplement pm each for gas and electric to protect it from any increases. Just like every other big company they are robbin barstewards!

Unknown said...

well sorry that was for Zodiac now I move on:-)))

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia, well yes the snow is truly wonderful and it brought some fantastic birds on my feeders earlier this morning!

I dont know how you could laugh if you have been to the tax office.

Not sure I am au fait with latest M3 what is happening now? Did they execute them yet?

xxxxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv. I wasn't laughing when I left, but my bad moods go away very quickly. Life without laughter doesn't make sense. And then I read Joana Morais and not only felt like smiling but also like LOL.

Metodo 3

What an appropriate choice, don't you think? :-)

No chance of snow here. It's around 10ºC.

Unknown said...

Oh fab, I just read it, well he does love to learn and earn from the internet bless him, maybe he can carry that on in less pleasant surroundings xx

From what I remember of Tarragona when I was a child it was a very poor area of Spain with lots of poor gypsy children I used to give my cakes and sweets to! I hope they get lots of hazelnuts now it will be better for them, how nice of him!

xx

Unknown said...

Oh Hun, I just wonder who the dear man has been laundering money for:-)))

Everything comes out in the wash!!

xxxx

Unknown said...

OMG Wiz it sounds like the snow is worse down South!

Take Care
xx

Unknown said...

Hiya BT

Well there is a lot of consensus on that one, why did they hire that car before they went, hardly makes sense. I read a big thread on 3 As last night, Stevo but some of it seemed a bit much, but lots that does make sense. That is the beauty of UK getting involved, the Portuguese Judge refused permission to get at those phone records but that would not happen here, "relevant and admissible evidence more probative than prejudicial" Those records are truly vital to find out precisely what they were up to. I am particularly keen on those calls Gerry got 14 or 18 the day before and the day after 2 and 4 May..

bath theory said...

The visit to the Pope may have been two fold.
1) Genuinely ask for forgiveness if they were involved
2) Distract the attention to allow friends etc to operate on their behalf.
I think it very relevant to check the phone records as to the whereabouts of their clan on that day.
Monday, 2 February 2009 09:54:00 o'clock GMT

Unknown said...

Well you know what I am really really looking forward to now, Clarence Mitchell spinning for those guys who operationally on the ground were really good, the fraud investigators, the embezzlers, the money launderers, the witness bribers, the erm now what else can I put on their cv oh yea, the crack dealers:-))))

dylan said...

Zodiac - exactly!

Hi Claudia, lovely to see you post again. I agree that you have to laugh in life.

XXXXX refused to go to school this morning because i have told her that she has to wear a coat! Eventually she went, but took it off before making a dramatic exit and slamming the door. Teenagers!!!

Off out now. I think I will have to brave the elements and have a long walk as I don't think the buses will be running. I have ski trousers over my jeans and a silly woolly hat, I may look stupid but at least I will be warm :-)

LGC - if you're reading - bet your penguin is loving it ;-)

Have a good day folks.

Unknown said...

Ah Dilly doing a Betty Davies! I can recall insisting on going out with wet hair and no coat, and mom disagreed, why I climbed out the window:-))

Have a fab walk in the snow!

xx

I am getting to your post above!

Unknown said...

Hiya Dilly, welll I can see where the questions are coming from because as I posted above nannies commented that Maddie was a timid and frightened child, quite the opposite to how Kate (she will be giving them her tuppence worth) and even more so Gerry describe her, I think he said she is a real McCann and we know what he is like. So this clearly flags up more lies, more guilty need to cover the truth. But I would think the other issue is in terms of looking at perhaps was it Kate, were they loud boisterous noisy,, they are clearly trying to build up a picture, but reading the statements it seems that has been very difficult for them because people just have not seen them interacting with their children.

It is interesting the way both he and police officer use that neutral word "disappearance" as I note all our newspapers do now as well. I just get the impression with him somehow he isnot wanting to say anything that is going to make him a witness against the McCanns, in court, probably a bit awe inspired and worried perhaps? Not sure if that is fair, I just got a hint of that, but witnesses do tend to feel this way unless you are in the situation of the Smiths where you actually feel you saw something life and death which is just literally keeping you awake at night with worry.

xx


dylan said...

Hiya Viv,

SC is Stephen Carter and the other is the police officer who interviewed him, but I can't remember her name. This is the passage of the statement I was referring to:

'DCF: Ok. If you can remember the occasion upon which you saw them, how was the children’s behaviour?.

SC: Humm. I can’t reply because I was not concentrating on this type of thing, that’s why...hmmm, I cannot even reply to this.

DCF: No, but I was thinking from the point of view of common sense, after the disappearance of Madeleine, any doubt that you could have had.

SC: Oh, after the disappearance?

DCF: No, what I was thinking here was that after her disappearance, you would probably have reflected upon whether you saw anything'


But on reading again, it look as though SC just got confused as to what the original question was referring to - silly me :-)

xx
Monday, 2 February 2009 09:45:00 o'clock GMT

Di said...

Hi All

Gosh there are so many posts I have to catch up with, I am still on SC interviews, so sorry if this has already been mentioned.

SC Ah yes, yes and afterwards, humm...with Murat well...I just caught a glimpse of him on TV, it was rather my wife who phoned Philomena afterwards who then suggested that we contact the police support service.

Is this Philomena McCann, if so why would SC's wife be phoning her?

Unknown said...

Well spotted Di!

This clearly does not mark him out as an impartial witness and actually places into context that feeling that I got.

One can imagine it was probably a lengthy telephone call, must have cost him:-)))

Snow has stopped here but crisp even covering, just had a nice walk to the shop and it looks lovely. Roads are clear but gather lots of people teachers etc being allowed home early. One bloke quipped in the shop- well you would not want to be stuck with them would you, poor teachers!

xx

Unknown said...

I did find it interesting though Di that the wife who heard someone calling Madeleine Madeleine, her statement has not been released on the DVD, very interesting!

Don't know whether you saw but I mentioned it brought back to mind that rumour we heard that Kate actually went back to the apartment much earlier than 10 that night, wasn't there, oh, I don't know, Swedish or German witness or something?

xx

xx

Unknown said...

Di, if you are still around, it seems reasonable to speculate that this major investigation of M3 for embezzlement and money laundering etc is going to have major implications for the McCanns. It does tie in rather nicely with his rather sudden no flag waving banners from Clarence visit to Portugal on the 13th Jan to meet with his lawyers, British Embassy who let's face it look after people who are in trouble abroad. It seems very likely he will need a series of meeting with his lawyers and yes Kate will have to go to, to discuss the implications and mainly his activities with this bunch of crooks. I would go so far as to say this is the beginning of the end for them!

Anonymous said...

Who was it that said the Fund will get them in the end?

Di said...

Hi Viv

Still snowing here, I love the snow when I am indoors but hate driving in it.

I remember Kate went back early one evening, was that the night she was upset with Gerry. I also seem to remember Gerry went back earlier than Kate one evening but cannot remember which.

I have read so much recently my brain is frazzled.

Di said...

Hi Viv/Zodiac

I have just been reading about M3.

Money laundering is taken extremely seriously, if proven I agree the begining of the end.

Anonymous said...

Di,

Hopefully for all who have fed off the gravy train!

Unknown said...

Hiya Di and Zodiac

Well I think we have all expressed those sentiments about M3, if you need to engage crooks to work for you, you shouldnot complain when all goes wrong.

I certainly hoped this would be another line of investigation to put a big dent in the McCann armoury and I think it really has. As you say, these are very serious offences and Mr Jiminez their field operative is already in custody in very deep trouble.

Di, I am exactly the same I love to look out but hate driving in it. It did not bother me when I was younger but it does now. A few years back there is the this one lane that has trees either side but is on a real slope and at the bottom big patch of open field going across, it freezes badly and is very dangerous, I started to just go backwards down the hill again and just remember telling myself come on you have been driving for donkey's year think of advanced driving dont panic, what to do, I managed to steer the car off the road and onto rough dirt edge just missing the trees but it absolutely terrified me. I will not use that lane again if there is the slightest prospect of ice! Fortunately I have learned some advance driving from my ex husband and also the private detective I went out with who also worked as a part time firemen and had every driving qualification including driving fire engines on blues and twos, he could be a bit hairy if he was in a hurry!

xxx

bath theory said...

Agree with your last post Viv 100 per cent

...It does tie in rather nicely with his rather sudden no flag waving banners from Clarence visit to Portugal on the 13th Jan to meet with his lawyers...to discuss the implications and mainly his activities with this bunch of crooks. I would go so far as to say this is the beginning of the end for them!

BRING IT ON FOR MADELEINE'S SAKE - A GIRL WHO NEVER ASKED TO BE BORN AND WAS TERRIBLY LET DOWN BY THOSE WHO GAVE HIPPOCRATIC DOCTOR OATHS !!!

Di said...

Zodiac/Viv

I agree hopefully for all.

That must have been very scary Viv I don't blame you not going there in icy conditions. I just cannot understand the speed of some drivers who would have no chance of stopping in an emergency.

Unknown said...

Hello B T and yes bring it on for dear little Maddie, one can imagine lovely police officers the world over who will be fighting just for her, badly wanting a result! Portuguese, Spanish, Moroccan, whatever we all love children and she was a little angel who deserved so much more than what she got out of her short life.

Di, yes they are so reckless and especially when they are right behind you and you just do not want to be told to speed up in the ice fog whatever!

xxx

nancy said...

Hi Viv and everyone!

Lots of snow here too and I'm making the most of it because it doesn't usually last long and everything is so pretty.

Viv that admission of yours that you don't bath will have those on the other side coming up with some ammunition I'm sure!! Sorry to hear you have trouble with your knees - that's not funny!'

So much news on the blog today and it seems we are moving on to something a bit more positive with the news about M3 and the money laundering! Nobody ever gave an explanation as to why the McCanns were actually using that lot in the first place, and considering they were only fraud specialists and had no record of being experts in finding people, just why did they use them. It could be that they were not in a hurry for Maddie to be found of course!

It is three months away from the aniversary of Maddie's disappearance - let's see what they come up with next to divert the public's attention from their actual gross neglect to encouraging people to hand over hard earned cash to a Fund that only works for those who are running it.

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

I have always felt the fund will get them in the end... People obviously feel sympathy for any parent who has a missing child (even parents who constantly neglect their children to have fun) but as was demonstrated when they paid two mortgage payments out of money that was donated to find Madeleine people who believed them were up in arms about it...

Just having the accounts published is enough to get people talking again and although they have tried to make them look good the fact that out of all that money only 250k has been sent on searching is there for all to see...

Would any parent with a missing child waste a second by spinning the facts lying or not helping answer questions. Would any parent waste money that could help find their daughter on Lawyers Spin Drs and Media Monitors?

The answer is NO and that is what makes the McCanns such odd people they cant see it but we can and the more that is revealed about the fund the more people will come to realise they are odd and the more doubt people will have about them... Uncle John says donations are drying up but they have over a million left and people dont want to pay for lawyers to get neglectful parents off...

Also reading back why would any witness contact a memeber of the family and not trust the police....

xxx

nancy said...

Hi Dylan

I thought that my granddaughter, (who lives with us at the moment), was the only one who refused to wear a coat to school! I didn't realise it was something most young people refused to do until I was listening to Woman's Hour one day and lots of Mums had said the same, that their daughters refused to wear a coat on the chilliest day!

Mind you, thinking about it, I can remember when I was 16 and had a terrible throat condtion called 'quinsy, which is an abscess near the tonsils, and I was in bed when I heard my Mum talking to the next door neighbour and she said "the problem is with young girls today they refuse to wear vests"!! So nothing's changed much has it?

nancy said...

Viv -

The McCann's playing 'let's find the Monster' with the twins is really a weird thing to do. Talk about frighten the children to death - at that age they could very well believe it could happen to them. That's a sort of child cruelty in my opinion.

What with that and Kate asking Maddie if she was upset because the other children had gone to the beach without her! Would any normal parent bring that to her attention to upset her? No, of course not, but then these are not normal parents leaving them night after night even though they knew Maddie had been crying, and probably the twins too. They need their heads seen to if you ask me!

Di said...

Hi All

I wonder if that is why Ester McVey jumped ship, did she see something going on with the fund that made her uneasy, something she did not want to be connected with.

Nancy

I agree I could not believe that monster story or presents for the twins from Maddie. They call themselves responsible parents I would beg to disagree.

Don't forget Come Dine With Me 5.30pm C4 today trough to Friday.

Anonymous said...

Nancy,

'to encouraging people to hand over hard earned cash to a Fund that only works for those who are running it.'

Well said!

Hope,

It must have been you. I knew someone on here posted that comment and how apt it appears to be. Now I woner if M3 are investigated and requests for certain people's or Funds Accounts are requested in detail will they be met with the same response the PJ got when they requested details? Hopefully not!

Anonymous said...

Oops missed a d 'wonder'.

nancy said...

Di -

Thanks for reminding me - I shall watch that!

I'm still trying to puzzle why Mrs Carter phoned Philomena - (your earlier post) - why would she do that I wonder?

Do you have snow? What neck of the woods are you from - just roughly!

nancy said...

Hi Zodiac -

I enjoy reading you on the 3A's!

I love that phrase 'robbing barstewards' - really cracks me up!

Glad you have some snow too - my grandaughter is trapped in London -luckily there's no school!

Di said...

I have just had a look on 3A's

There is a thread on SC & Philomena and the phonecall.

Not much to report, two theories either they were got at or they already knew each other.

Hope

If I remember correctly it was Brian Kennedy who seemed to be the instigator for M3, Hogan Int etc., I wonder why??

Anonymous said...

Di,

And no links to the Fund via her website, no links to the Fund she was a Director of! The same Fund that was set up for her friends missing child. Makes you wonder why? Surely she could still show her support by associating herself to her friends missing child's Fund!

Di said...

Hi Nancy

I am in Cheshire and yes plenty of snow. I took the dog out for a walk this morning and have since stayed in. It is still snowing and I believe it is going to continue for some time. At least it has given me time to catch up with posts.

SC & Philomena is an odd one. I suppose it could be a different person altogether but somehow I don't think so. What really frustrates me is why the interviewer did not dig further to find out the connection.

Anonymous said...

'Glad you have some snow too'

Nancy,

We have more than some snow. Not a spot when I went to bed lastnight. About 2 inches was there when I got up and it has been non stop since. It took me 30 mins to get to school (walking) to pick up my youngest from school and about 30 mins to get back home. It is normally about an eight minute walk. Lots and lots of snow. Very windy and blowing in the face. A lovely white blanket so glad I am home now. Brrr!

Di said...

Hi Zodiac

Good point about Ester's website, you would think she would want to do all she could to help her friend. It would be interesting to know if they even have contact with each other anymore.

Di said...

Link to 3A's

McCanns bank account has been frozen apparently.

link

Wizard said...

Hi All,
Just been reading back and see Metedo3 are accused of embezzlement and money laundering.

About a year ago I was reading Ironside on 3A’s I think if I’m correct he lives in Spain. He said Metedo 3 were well known in his neck of the woods as money laundering merchants. Well, well he seems to have got that right. If he knew this I wonder who else did???

Still snowing quite heavily the worse London has seen for 18 years. Looking out of my window I can't see my car completely covered with snow.

Di said...

I think the person got it wrong but I shal continue reading.

Wizard said...

Hi Di, Just followed your link does the information come from a Portuguese newspaper?

Perhaps Claudia could have a shifty and let us know exactly what is being said

Niki said...

Lucky, lucky you with all that snow!!!

How come you are not all out making snow-men, sliding on big garbage-bags, having snowball-wars with the neighbour!?!!?

Pls, send some this way:-)

Almond-trees are in full blossom here....

HAve a nice evening:-)
(I'm helping kids with homework...
might be back later...)

Di said...

Wizard

I have read to the end. There is a google translation. I am not sure if this is new or old news though.

It certainly does not seem to be correct about the bank accounts being frozen.

nancy said...

Di - lovely part of the world.

I agree - as I said once before, I'm sure all of us on here would have dug a lot deeper than all the people who have interviewed both of the McCanns, the tapas lot, and various witnesses. It begs the question just why they didn't!

nancy said...

Hi Zodiac -

I bet you looked lovely and rosy when you finally got home. Good for the complexion I'm sure!

Nice hot chicken soup hits the spot!

nancy said...

I read on 3A's that Robert Murat is going to join a panel at Cambridge University on 5th March (coincidentally Kate M's birthday), and the subject matter is:

"This house believes the tabloids do more harm than good" -

and he will be joined on the panel by Lembit Opik, Kelvin MacKenzie (of the Sun) Amanda Platell (Mail) Peter Bazalgette, and Michael White.

I laughed at Vime's response on 3A's.

"Interesting they are having Robert Murat on there instead of the spinmaster himself, still it would be hard to criticise the tabloids considering they have been kissing his a..e for the past 20 months"!

Interestingly, Mr Pink will be doing the same at Oxford University soon - I'm not sure what that debate is about though - maybe the Madeleine Fund LOL!!

nancy said...

Niki -

I just love almond trees in blossom!

Where are you - is it Greece?



Nx

nancy said...

Di -

Brian Kennedy! There's only one thing he's interested in, and a quick answer: MONEY!

For all his promises of looking after the McCanns as long as they need him, you can bet your bottom dollar that this double glazing merchant has made plenty since and all in Madeleine's name, just like her family!

As Zodiac so succinctly puts it:

thieving barstewards!!

nancy said...

Di -

I've just finished watching 'Come dine with me' - great programme. I wish I could cook really well like that. I'm not quite so bad as Zoe Wanamaker in My Family, and can cook basic stuff quite well, but gourmet stuff is way beyond me!

How about you?

I'm off for the evening now - I'm beginning to get tingles in my fingers again, so I'll see you all tomorrow!

Nx

Cláudia said...

Hello, all.
Back home, finally.
Wizard, what the article says is that the British authorities denied the Portuguese Police access to the McCanns' bank accounts.
I want snow too!!!

Niki said...

Claudia, you HAD snow once this winter, did you not?!? We have not had any, and I'm really jealouse...

(Nancy, yes I'm in Greece, but born with skies on my feet!(from Norway))

--

Anna Raccoon has written another good blog:
The McCann case - Nuts, whole hazelnuts……
by Anna Raccoon on February 2, 2009

Metodo3 the infamous Spanish detective agency involved in searching for Madeleine McCann was today accused by the Spanish Attorney General’s Office of squirreling other people’s nuts away for a rainy day.

The ‘crack’ detective team - and who can forget that one of their director’s stands accused of importing crack cocaine stuffed in frozen prawns, continues to amuse us with its antics.

According to the Attorney General’s Office note, the Catalan government, in recent years, have ordered and paid for a significant number of reports that seem irrelevant, citing, for example, a “survey into the socio-economy of a hazelnut farm” ordered from the detective agency for the modest (???)sum of 30,000 euros. The resulting survey, according to El Confidencial was copied word for word from the Internet………! Wherever could they have got the idea for this ‘dodgy dossier’ from.

Metodo 3 has already been linked to other scandals connected to the political and the financial world, and, recently, their work in investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, where one of the senior employees, Antonio Jimenez, was accused of having driven several British journalists to meet previously paid witnesses, who had allegedly seen Madeleine in Morocco. Jiminez was subsequently arrested for theft and cocaine trafficking.

The Attorney General’s Office say the total amounts involved in the misappropriation of funds and money laundering could be ‘colossal’.

Wire tapping, suitcases full of ‘cuddle-cats’ as they drive British journalists to meet paid informers, cocaine stuffed prawns, a Spanish debt collecting agency with no previous record of finding lost children, and now plain ‘nuts’ - how on earth did the McCann’s end up paying the hard earned pennies of widows and school children into the coffers of this agency……it was Edward Smethhurst legal co-ordinator of Brian Kennedy’s many companies, past and present, who recommended them was it not? Or perhaps Clarence Mitchell, ex-senior employee of the media monitoring unit belonging to our own ‘dodgy dossier’ government?

Surely not sheer chance?

-----

Di said...

Hi Niki

I hope we are not going to get from the McCann team an apology along the lines of, we have been conned, we are so sorry we have lost all your kindly donated money etc., That would be going too far.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Niki.
Yes, we had snow twice this winter (which hadn't happened in more than 12 years), but I still want more. It only lasted for 24 hours! :-) I love snow!

Di said...

Niki

Dodgy dossier, our Government., which dodgy dossier would we be talking about, there are too many to be remembered ;o)

Di said...

Hi Claudia

I have not seen you when posting, hope you are well.

You want snow you can have it. Our Planes, trains etc., have come to a standstill, imagine what would happen if we had a real threat to this Country, not a lot. We were warned of this weather a week ago yet nothing happened as regards gritters etc., to keep things moving.

Claudia

I give you my snow you are most welcome ;o))

Cláudia said...

Di, thank you.
Could you send it in a brown envelope? :-)

Di said...

Claudia

What is this about GA on 3As. Dr Amarel news. I would be grateful for a translation if you have time.

x

Cláudia said...

Di, I think it is just a survey saying that if GA was the candidate, he would win with a good majority.
Have togo for a bit. May BBL.
xxxx

Di said...

Off soon Claudia so bye for now.

xx

Cláudia said...

Bye, Di!
Sleep tight.
Also going soon.

nancy said...

Good morning everyone -

Sorry if this is starting the day off on a very sad note, but if I hadn't read this in the newspaper and seen it on the news, it would be difficult to believe this could happen.

A woman strangled her own lovely 12year old daughter because her scum of a boy friend said it was either him or the daughter. How could any mother do that?

What a diabolical mother! She certainly didn't have the normal feelings a mother has for her child.

What that poor child must have suffered is beyond belief.

It's just heartbreaking, but unfortuntely it proves there are people seen by others to be normal and loving parents who are able to do the most evil things even to their own children.

Unknown said...

Morning all, more great posts!

Nancy: Viv that admission of yours that you don't bath will have those on the other side coming up with some ammunition I'm sure!! Sorry to hear you have trouble with your knees - that's not funny!'

Well would I deprive those who only want to stalk and talk about me and my posters something to fixate on! Pity I cannot tell them that in addition to being disabled I am also a lesbian of Moroccan extraction, then they could feed the full gamut of all their prejudices!

Unknown said...

I just had a look at their blog and it is uncanncy, since I put a link to it on 3 As pointing out people may be shocked the conversation has focussed on two things I dearly love, gardens and wildlife, ah at last they see the beauty in life!

Unknown said...

Nancy, that is interesting, so Mr Murat and the Pink Thing are to have opposing debates at our top two Universities on the press coverage in this case. I can see they will be looking at it from a different point of view.

Mr Murat: how the British Press villified me and convicted me of abducting Madeleine and how, just like innocent people do, I triumphed in the end.

The Pink One: How I did all that, but I am not telling you why, I am just going to continue to lie..

Unknown said...

WHY DID THE MCCANNS HIRE METODO 3? extract from The Times interview with Mr Marco, Gerry
"collectively" took the decision!

Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, Madeleine’s parents, says he believes M-3 “put themselves forward” for the task, as did a number of other companies. Just a week after the four-year-old’s disappearance from the McCanns’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3 last year, Portuguese police had announced that official searches were being wound down. Initially, the British security company Control Risks Group, a firm founded by former SAS men, was called on for advice. Mitchell confirms that the company is still “assisting in an advisory capacity”, but he says that the reason the

Spanish detective agency was hired was because of Portugal’s “language and cultural connection” with Spain. “If we’d had big-booted Brits or, God forbid, Americans, we’d have had doors slammed in our face, and it’s quite likely we could have been charged with hindering the investigation, as technically it’s illegal in Portugal to undertake a secondary investigation,” Mitchell explains. “But because it’s Metodo 3, [Alipio] Ribeiro [national director of Portugal’s Policia Judiciara] is turning a blind eye.” Portuguese police are reported to dismiss M-3 as “small fry”.

Mitchell says the decision to hire M-3 on a six-month contract from September was taken “collectively” by Gerry McCann, and the family’s lawyers and backers, on the grounds that the agency had the manpower, profile and resources to work in several countries. “You can argue now whether it was the right decision or not,” he says, referring to widespread reports that M-3 will find its contract terminated in March – if it hasn’t been already – and not just because the Find Madeleine Fund is dwindling. “But operationally Metodo 3 are good on the ground,” he insists.

It was M-3, for instance, who recently commissioned a police artist to draw a sketch of the man they believe could be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance, despite Portuguese-police claims that the sketch had “no credibility”.

Clearly, the McCanns are desperate to keep Madeleine’s disappearance in the public eye. And the release of photofits by M-3 will help to achieve this. The McCanns insist, however, that they are not engaged in a bidding war for interviews with American television.

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Niki,

Just read your post by Anna Raccoon.

The McCann case - Nuts, whole hazelnuts……
by Anna Raccoon on February 2, 2009

'The ‘crack’ detective team - and who can forget that one of their director’s stands accused of importing crack cocaine stuffed in frozen prawns, continues to amuse us with its antics.'

Now am I remembering correctly? I am sure I have read amongst the usual McClaptrap. I.e.: A friend/family member says they have now called in the Big Boys to take over the bungled investigation. They have now employed really bigger Big, Big Boy experts and I am sure I have read they have a Crack Team I just did not realise what that meant until all the unsavoury comments regarding M3were exposed. Especially the stuffed fishy business!

“survey into the socio-economy of a hazelnut farm” ordered from the detective agency for the modest (???)sum of 30,000 euros. The resulting survey, according to El Confidencial was copied word for word from the Internet………!"

Hmmm did we not see the M3 guy on our TV saying how he had been looking on the Internet regarding Paedophiles? Recently we have been led to believe this same agency discovered on their own paedophile activities and try to claim praise and publicity for themselves and the Team. Although I believe due to what they had discovered it had to be reported to the authorities and the authorities were already investigating any way! Is the Internet where they get all their information?

How on earth is employing an agency that deal with fraud doing the best for you’re missing child. I expect more excuses on the way via the McUK Press/Media. The accounts show 250k used in the search. That is not good enough the whole account should be accounted for where every penny has gone and to who has received it. Friends, family members or associates should not run IMO Funds such as this. The Board should be elected in the same way Juries are.

Nancy,

That poor little girl having a mother like that.

Unknown said...

But, we are not working for the McCanns, we are working for Brian Kennedy!:

14.8.08
Brian Kennedy and Metodo 3 meet the PJ detectives
On October 19, 2007, Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit (Unidad de Secuestros de la Policia Judicial) contacted PJ and asked detectives in charge of Madeleine's investigation it they were willing to have a meeting with a representative from Metodo 3 and a Spanish police officer from the same unit.

The purpose of the meeting was to give PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention to interfere in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the Mccann, but for Brian Kennedy.

On November 13, 2007, the meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira. - the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Marco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.

The two PJ detectives submitted a report, about the meeting, the information exchanged and the investigations, following the leads given by Metodo 3.

On the report, which is in the DVD files, it's referred that Mr. Kennedy stressed, just as the meeting started, that his only intent was a charitable one, because he was concerned with cases related with child neglect and missing children. He stated that his concern, in that specific case, was only the truth and nothing more than the truth, no matter the McCann, their friends or any other person was involved or suspect.

The man hiding in shadows

The director of Metodo 3 gave PJ a written report with three situations, allegedly received through their hotline and related with Madeleine's disappearance The first was about an incident that British Media already referred, at the end of October 2007: a woman who was babysitting at Ocean Club, in apartment 5A, on August/September 2006, spotted a man “hiding in shadows” on a Thursday – the same day Madeleine, four, vanished”, as The Sun wrote on October 31.”

“The nanny – identified only as M.H. – reported the chilling incident to police in England shortly after the hunt for Madeleine began in May, but did not speak to cops in Portugal.”, according to the newspaper. Clarence Mitchell added: “This evidence backs up what we have always said, that Maddie was taken from her bed by an abductor.”

PJ dismissed this report, as detectives considered that there was no evidence it was related with the disappearance of Madeleine.

The second information was about the alleged existence of a paedophile picture in a computer at the home of Sergei Malinka, witnessed by the fiancée of a British girl, four years ago, when he was at Malinka's home. The girl's fiancée questioned Malinka about that and he said the computer belonged to a client and he would report it to the authorities, later, according to the same witness.

All computers found at Malinka's home were apprehended and searched, but nothing relevant or suspect was found, the PJ report says.

Murat's girlfriend seen with Madeleine

The third information referred to a witness detailed sighting of what was described, in the report from Metodo 3, as a woman handing what that witness was convinced was a child, wrapped in a blanket or a sheet, to a man, over a fence, with two cars parked close to them, near a city 100 miles from Algarve. The witness, a Portuguese truck driver, M.G., saw several pictures and picked up Michaela Walczuch photo, saying that it was the most similar to the woman he saw.

British Press also got the story, on November 19, 2007, but with different details. “A witness is said to have spotted Mr Murat's German-born girlfriend Michaela Walczuch in a car with Maddie in central Portugal on May 5”, wrote Metro. The Daily Mail had a similar story, the same day: “A new witness has identified Michaela Walczuch as a woman seen with the missing girl in central Portugal about 100 miles from where she disappeared on May 3, a source said.”

As usual, Mr. Clarence Mitchell had something to tell to the Media: “"We will not comment on any active line of the investigation other than to say we are encouraged that our investigators appear to be making progress. Kate and Gerry are not ruling anything in or out.”

PJ investigated this last incident, and questioned the Portuguese truck driver. But the facts he reported to Police were a little bit different: He saw the woman handing something to the man, over the fence, wrapped in what seemed to be a blanket. It was not heavy, because they did it easily and the fence was around 1,60 meters high. Asked if it could be the body of a child, he said that nothing of what he saw could point to that.

Questioned also about the positive identification of Michaela Walczuch, according to Metodo 3 report, the witness told PJ that he couldn't see the face of the woman, as he was driving his truck, at 70/80 km per hour, and the couple was at a good distance. He only picked up Michaela's picture from the other pictures that Metodo 3 showed him, because it had the same hair colour and a similar body build.

Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis

Unknown said...

Hiya Zodiac, that is another good one!

Maybe we should start a new thread, Metodo 3, the collection.

I think it is fascinating there has been this cloud of mystery about who is actually employing them, the McCanns or Brian Kennedy!

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