23 Jul 2011

UPDATED MCCANNS BOOK PLUGGING IN AUSTRALIA/ WAS IT JUST A HOAX FOR CASH AND POWER?


Looking for Madeleine McCann

Reporter: Rahni Sadler
Date aired: 24/07/2011
Sunday Night reporter Rahni Sadler is given unprecedented access to the parents of missing British toddler Madeleine McCann. Four years after Madeleine disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal, the McCanns disclose startling new clues driving the on-going worldwide search for their daughter.
The couple, who have raised millions of dollars in the past three years to fund their own private manhunt, now believe Madeleine’s abductor stalked the family.
Also, exclusive never-before seen home video reveals a side to the McCann family that will surprise many.
We join Kate and Gerry McCann as they travel across Europe on a mission to keep Madeleine in the minds of the public.

Sunday Night and Random House are giving away copies of Madeleine by Kate McCann to 100 viewers. For entry details click on the link below.

For further details on the personal memoir click here. Random House has made available a chapter from the book which viewers can access, it appears above the book jacket “open the book”.

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As early as June 2007, before I had even become involved in this case, "Logicman" makes a very good case for saying that it was.    I have to say it took me a long time to develop some pretty similar views, there are many who like to perpetuate myth and pure spin..... there is no doubt, those dogs have made an awful lot of money for Martin Grime, Goncalo Amaral and Kate and Gerry McScam.   It would be nice to think Maddie is alive and well.  Mrs Justice Hogg seemed to have a pretty clear view that Maddie was hidden and "secreted" away somewhere and no one would be given better access to the facts than her.  Of course, there are many who even choose to ridicule her and twist the very clearest words that she spoke.  They would rather quote the Daily Mail/Clarence Mitchell than the words Justice Hogg used in her court order which do not need any spinning to understand.  The McCanns did not make any application to have Maddie made a Ward of Court, that happened at a Directions Hearing on 2 April 2008, Mrs Justice Hogg very clearly describes the applications they made both in May 2007 and then again in 2008 when they were actually seeking to force the Ch Con of LP to comply with the earlier order the McCanns obtained.  Rightly for him, he was not going to hand police files of evidence over to the two prime suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.  


But just how are they going to "spring" Maddie again?  Hair brained scheme by a couple of crazy narcissists, man and wife team, the McScams aided and abetted by their best mates, Fiona and David Payne, no doubt others too.  


I have argued for a long time, the welfare of Madeleine comes before any prosecution of the offenders against her, getting her back has to remain the prime concern, if that actually is still possible.  I really hope so.  




LogicMan 



Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: The "Hoax" Theory....Madeleine McCann 


I see that Bywaters has posted his theory about the McCanns being invovled with her murder......I do not believe this to be the case myself, and propose another theory to explain what we have seen over the last few months......... 

it is a long read......sorry... 

I am not syaing this IS how it happened...I am saying this MAY BE how it happened........we may never know the truth....... 

On the other hand........I think this offers some hope....as it suggests that Madeleine is safe and well....and the McCanns are certainly not murderers, or members of any peadophile rings, or child trafficing gangs.......

Still......see what you think. 

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Good Morning All...here is the latest version of the Hoax theory..... 

I will be blunt...and not use too many "alldedgedlys".....just take the whole thing, as a possible theory...A story.......thats all.......... 

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I suggest to you. That the McCanns, and some of their family members, their friends, and possibly "business associates" FAKED the abduction of Madeleine McCann......in order to make money, gain fame and power, to be lifted to another social level...and have media careers on TV and around the world, as the Amazing McCanns...Child Detectives.........People of Faith, who work in a unique way...but which delivered a Miricle.....the reappearance of Mady (and a lot of cash and fame)....... 


The plan is simple....... 

While away on holiday, the children will be left "un-attended" in the evening..and we will go to various resturants every night......build a pattern (create an Alibi).........then, on one night of the week, Madeleine will be "Abducted" by some of our friends, and business associates...maybe even "family" or the mythical nanny........she will be taken away and hidden around Europe or Afirca.... 

We will then proceeded to discover her "missing"...we will make a good scene out of it, convince the police she has been abducted...then get on with our plans for funds, rewards, internet shops, new businesses, media spots, Religious stunts, child welfare careers.........perfect.........and in a few monts/years time.....after millions have been put into the fund, and we are world famous Child Welfare Specialists (Maz will love all this)...............Mady will magicly "reappear"....and our unique way of working will be vindicated..... 

For ever more, people will come to US if they want to find an abducted child...we can use our media profiles to keep cases in the news...we can make MORE money, by having concerts, and other media promotions, an internet shop, No Stone Unturned ltd.......this will be a life changing event......... 

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So what went wrong? 

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Well...to go back to that night......lets go into Madeleines bedroom with the twins..........Mady is not actualy in there.....she is in the neighbouring building already, waiting to be moved (she may be sedated)........however, the "Late for dinner Witness", is in Madys real Room in the McCann flat looking after the twins.........keeping an eye out for next door...to see when Mady gets moved and on her way....... 

There is a bit of genius at work here........and damn good reason why no DNA from the "Abductor" was found, and why the Twins "slept through the Abduction"...........1. The Abductor was never in Madys real room......2. Most of the people "invovled" went into the real room before the police arrived, and destroyed the crime scene........and since they are "friends", their DNA would not be suspect........or distinguishable from an "Abductors"...... 

Next door, where Maddy really was...is another English person, a Man..........friend of the McCanns, maybe he is the partner of the "Witness" looking after the twins (Maybe this man is the mythical Murat?).............but whoever, Mady is with him......probably been there most the night......she is sleeping........they are waiting..... 

They are waiting for a couple from the Solminar Flats about 3 miles away, to come pick and her up.......it will be the couple from the Solminar flats..and one other man, that take Mady to her "keeper".......the keeper, will be someone who will "look after" Maddy while the con is on.........it will be their job to keep Mady safe, out of sight....and to listen for the correct signals, so as to know, when to let her go...by leaving her in a church, something like that..........before legging it to a Swiss bank account...... 

I am not 100 certain about the people invovled, don't know there names...so can only geuss......but my geuss, is that the couple from Solminar, arrived at about 9:15......They got out of the car, and went to get Mady...the man staying with her, went WITH the couple from the Solminar flats, to help with any issues...most liekly, lifting a small sleeping child into and out of cars...... and possibly onto boats, WITHOUT waking her...... 

After this group had driven away from the Apartments....the "Witness" ....checked one more time on the Twins, and then went to dinner...late...very late...about 9:30......this was the sign, that all was clear......... 

Mrs McCann waited as long as she dare, for her twins really are alone at this time, and she was about to embark of the scam of the new millennium.............after 15 mins, she can stand it no more.....and goes to "check" on Maddy, for the very first time that night.....and Lo....Maddy is gone.....and away we go........ 

As in the field of war....you can plan and plan all you like...but as soon as a shot is fired, the plans go out the window...... 

Things started to go wrong.......... 

For some reason, the Police were not called for 40 Mins...I suggest that the "Abduction" was running late, and so they wanted to give more time for the Abdcutors to get away.........so , they stalled.....and in that time, invited 20 people to search IN THE ROOM, thus utterly destroying "the crime scene"........not only this...but they wasted 40 minutes looking in bushes, and pools, and behind fences...when they KNEW she had been abdcuted???.....very odd. 

Worse was yet to come though....when the Police finaly arrived at about 10:50, and started to ask questions......they could see no evidnce of what they were being told......Mr McCann was in a rage, he was shouting IT WAS AN ABDUCTION>>>>>>>SHE HAS BEEN ABDUCTED........but the Police, just don't see it........she could have just walked out and got lost?...Why is this man saying it HAS to be abduction......? And he says they were "checking" every half an hour...but they can't seem to get their times right????....Nothing seems quite right...no signs of breakin or abduction...parents and people can't agree on who checked when........And why did they leave their kids to go out and eat anyway??..... 

Time to talk to the staff......... 

The staff were immediately suspicious of the McCanns.....right away......and they said so to the Police in their mother tounge.....They said that it was odd that the McCanns had "firmly refused" the free babysitter service, already included in the price of their holiday and which they happily used during the day???.....just seemed odd....like they WANTED to leave the kids alone that night..we even offered them Walkie Talkies...and they said NO..............and also....that Mr and Mrs McCann did not get up all night.....she only got up once, at about 9:45-ish....and came back in crying "they've taken my baby" " Where is my little girl" (What she acutaly said here is immaterial to this theory).......... 

A curious addition to this........Why did Kate leave the Twins behind?....If they KNEW Mady had been abducted, the Abducotr could have been hiding behind a door, or just coming back in for another child......why, after discovering one of her babys missing.........and while KNOWING it was abduction.....why did she leave the sleeping twins behind? 

This made the cops suspicious..........Deliberately and wilfully left the kids alone...at night...in an unlcoked flat........and deliberately refused the baby sitter service???????........went out to eat, DID NOT check on them all night (as they had claimed every 30 mins)........except "once" when she claimed to have found her gone?.......But the McCanns just said they were checking every half an hour??????...Wha???......Something is not right here...... 

Next comes the Twins "Babysitter".....the "Late for dinner witness"........Why was she late? And what is this about her seeing a man walking with a bundle??.....she places HERSLEF at the crime scene, around the time of the crime...and "claims" she saw a man with a bunlde...but did'nt think anything of it??......(very convienient).........so.....a wtiness out looking after the kids, late to dinner.....sees a man and bundle...goes to dinner, says nothing...but 15 mins after she arrives...Mrs McCann gets up and goes to check for the First time that night..and lo....her child is missing?......Just Like That..... 

But curiously.....Over time..this witness changes her story.........which actually is one of the biggest mistakes of the whole thing......Her story "evolves"......For one, Gerry McCann aledgeldy got messgae to Gordon Brown, that He (GM) was upset that the Portugese police had not released the "Late Witnesses" statement to the public......? Why...did Gerry think it very important?........Yet the PJ did not?.......Why Blub to Gordon Brown about it?.....Must be a real important part of the story to get out????.... 

Anyway....her description finaly came out into the Media...and seemed to grow...and before long, what was a bundle, has turned into a man, who is carrying a blanket, with what looks like a little girl with blode hair wearing Pink Pajamas wrapped up in it................??....Ooops...... It sounds like a line of flowing ********.....so we have to ask the question....Why/is she lying?.......Why is her story changing?.......again..they seem to "push" the Abdcution scenario....and evolve the evidence to fit it?... 

I also suspect this "Late witness" was supposed to leave the room in a state of some disaray....and she forgot to do this....hence, we have stories of smashed/jimmied/forced shutters...."Obvious signs of breakin".......yet no evidnce of this that the Police can see.......(This "Late Witness" person was not a good one to ask to help in this caper)........ 

We then hear of reports of CCTV images........taken at a peterol staion 9 miles outside Praia de Luz......these images are described as "key" by Police, and appear to show 3 adults and a small blonde girl.......the adults look British, and consist of 2 men, and a blonde woman...........a blonde woman was reportedly seen outside the Holiday flats around the time of Madys disappearance........ 

The behaviour of this group of 3 adults, so concnered the staion operator, that he got in touch with police pretty much right away.....The 3 adults and "Mady" were at this time traveling in a Renault Cleo, Gray, with British number plates.........I suggest they were on their way to the "keeper"...who would take Maddy on a trip into North Africa, and maybe Europe......But was Maddy awake?.....and if so....oops? ((I will adress this "awake" theory and Murat in another post)).....But it is too late to go back now, Prai de Luz will be in Uproar, they will have to go ahead with it now........so, off they go to the keeper.....a man on a baot, ready to go to Morroco...... 

(This lead to Gerrys I believe Freudian Slip......"We fear she was taken out of Portugal and Abdcuted".......Sorry Gerry? Don't you mean, she was abdcuted, then taken out of Portugal?....... oops.... 

The police need to hear more of the McCanns story...they can't even pinpoint a time of Abdcution (They don't believe the McCanns), so have to use 10:40 as the time, as thats when they got the first call......Gerry McCann gets a lot of questions...and a chance to speak......and one event he speaks of, is a strange event a few days ago.........Gerry McCann says, that he and his family, were on a beech, some 10 miles away from Paraia de Luz.......when a man came up taking picutres of blonde girls......Gerry said this casued him some Alarm and he made issue with the man.......a passing Portugese Citizen took a picutre of this man, and chased him away.......sadly, his thumb blocked the shot of the "Beech Snapper", but he had got a good look........so the Police decided to investigate this line of Enquiry........my my...suspicious parents with dodgey "Abduction" story say they were stalked????...and a Patriot witnessed the scnee? We will look into this......and see what HE says..... 

Around this time, the PJ got their hands on the CCTV footage from the Peterol station...and putting two and two together, asked the Portugese man to come in, and see if he could recognise the Beech Snapper, as one of the people in the CCTV footage....and he could recognise the man, pointed his finger right at him............which lead back to the Gray Renult Cleo............with British Plates..... 

Police then ID where this vehical is, and see it is at some flats (The Solminar Flats) about 3 miles away fromt the McCanns holiday flats....the police do some investigating, but realise that the "Beech Snapper" is not one of the two people staying there....he must be someone else........and lo, they find just such a candidate......holidaying in Parai de luz...with the McCanns.......turns out to be the "partner" of the late to dinner witness, he is a dead ringer for the man in the CCTV footage......the "beech Snapper"....... 

So....We have parents who wilfuly left their kids alone......did'nt check on them all night......in fact the only time they checked, was 15 mins after the Late Witness finaly arrived (from doing what?)....... 

And now we have 3 people on CCTV that appear to be "related" to this case in some way...and also, related to the McCanns in some way.......after all, one of their "partners" was at dinner that night...late...but there......or was it Murat?....who knows at this time...... 

But... 

Time for the PJ to think now...these people may be pulling a fast one, and we really don't know why......best play the game properly (Make believe) and see what they say.....so....The McCanns are invited to the police station to look at photos of peads, that sort of thing......and the other couples from Solminar flats, and the other couple staying with the McCanns (Are taken right off the beech still in their swimwear).......and taken into the Back of the Police station, under blankets......... 

At this moment, the British Consulate is seen leaving the Police Station....the PJ have asked for his help.......... 

While these people are all there, they are asked standard questions about that night...nothing too agressive....lets just hear what they say, and then check for inconsistencies later.......however, we will run the CCTV footage, past the McCanns, and see what they say......... 

When the McCanns see the footage, they "are not sure if it is Mady"........(The police are probably pretty damn sure it is but play along).......at this point, the PJ know they have a game on thier hands......and one at this stage, might cost a girl her life.............is this a hoax? they trying to kill her? sell her?...what is going on???? 

So they make believe......The McCanns are free to go.......as are their friends.......... 

The Police decide to watch and wait..........and ask for our assitance in speeeding the McCanns through the process...and if possible, can we use the Media to lull them into a false sense of security..as we need to trip them up, these people are clever.........Clarance Mitchell steps in, and the media gag goes into effect ont he 14th of May.........The media will be used (By Clarrance at the Requaest of the Portugese) to control the McCanns, the story, and the siuation...as we slowly work out the McCanns plan........... 

The first thing Gerry does after this visit to the police station, is get on the phone to two £500 an hour QCs...he knows something is not right.......maybe he suspects just Neglect charges.......but suspect "something", he does.........so he gets the very best money can buy..... 

Then the game is played......out of our eyes, but alluded to on the forums, on the ground in Portugal, games are played...the press is "used".........Times when the McCanns will be asked to make an emotional appeal with a new Mady phto.....but then 3 mins later, be asked to do family shots, all happy and smiles (Punch and Judy)....see how fast they could "turn it on and off"......and they failed......we have all seen the un-natural emotional ques from both parents...they are not acting "naturaly".........they are faking it..... And the police know it......... 

In fact, one of the few Genuine emotional reactions we have seen was from Kate, when asked by the German reporter if she was invovled.....Kate looked scared, angry, and put "Cuddle Cat" (an object) bewteen her and the questioner...a CLASSIC sign of defence......this was seen by the whole world..and the PJ..... 

Freudian Slips, Odd choices of words (overdraft), emotions that don't look right...or statements that don't sit right (shes lovely)........it all ads up...... 

Then of course there is "The Fund"...Something that would have been IMPOSSIBLE if ANYTHING else had happened to Madleine.......No sympathy if she walked out and got lost....no sympathy if you accidently killed her.....no sympathy is she got hit by a car after getting out....for the fund it HAD TO BE ABDUCTION!!!!....No other "possibility" would work........ 

The Fund?.......a personal piggy bank for Gerry...Utterly Unique on the face of this planet in Abduction or even Crime history..........the Victim of an abduction case...sets up a BUSINESS to collect "Donations"....???........where he can make himself boss, of a company called "No Stone Unturned".........where Millions are being thrown in......and he can do with it what he likes.......but of course, the Police notice one major thing......McCann is not spending ANY money on actualy getting his daughter back.....No PIs...No trips to sightings places.........he is only spending money, to make more money or cover his own ass......and why plan for "atfer the end of the official investigation"...does Gerry KNOW that the police will fail to find her?.....If so HOW???.......Or does he KNOW when Maddy will be returned?...He sure speaks like it...........if so HOW??.........the Police are pretty sure they know what is gong on now...but it is hard to proove.... 

So...we wait...and watch...and throw curve balls to see how they react...like Taking Toscano seriously, (But only after 3 weeks of waiting)....in the meantime, we'll see how the McCanns act toward him.......... 

We'll get a German reporter to ask one simple quesion, and see how they react.............no more press conferences, tell tale body language...... 

We'll go dig up a potentioal body, and see if they come with us, quivering in utter fear and horror as we work...or see if they go to meet friends at the airport....... 

We will not let them take the twins with them, and see how they explain it away.......we'll suggest Gerry write a blog, and see what he writes...which turned out to be classic signs of "lies"............ 

We will watch and wait...............see what Gerry does with all the money...does he investigate? Or pamper himself? ......oops...... 

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I won't go any further than that...if anything is'nt 100% clear. this is the place to ask...or laugh.....lol....... 

I will say, that this is just gleened from the press reports from BEFORE the 14th of may, when it appears the Gag order came down.......since then, we have had nothing to do with this line of investigation reported in the press....NONE.......However, we have had lots of McCann worship, and folloiwing them around, at break neck speed, as they whizz through their tour...but now, the end game..... 

You see......the one thing that is going to bring Mady back......is when Gerry stops making money......for when people lose interest, and turn away, and stop donating, he has gone as far as he can go with that part of the plan.........When the press walk away, he then has to create MORE interest some how.....Lost Wallet? Emergency Action in an Airplane? Good for a few headlines....but nothing much........no...when the interest drops right off, and the money stops coming..there is still one huge payoff to come...Madys return.......the sooner she gets back, the sooner people will call it a Miricle.....and people will start funding us again, and they can say "We will use this technique for all other children of the world...send us your money, come to our site, listen to our Faith..and we will do it for you too"................. 

Now I understand what Sentimental Agent meant, when he said we sould turn our backs on Gerry McCann........Even the press are not supporting them day by day now........the wind has gone out of the sails......the Blog is not even "buzzing" anymore.....Gerry does his campaigning indoors now........the interest and money are slowing.........and I believe it is a deliberate act, to force Gerry on to the next logical step....the Miraculous re-appearance of Madleine.....flying in the face of every known crime statistic......... and a masterful stroke from the PJ...... 

I hope this is right, just for her sake.......... 

Thanks for reading, I know it was a long one... 

33 comments:

Valerie said...

I would like to know why
1) Kate and Gerry McCann have not been charged with child neglect.?
2)Why the British Tax payers are expected to pay for on going investigations for a disappearance of a child outside the U.K.?

Valerie said...

I would like to know why
1) Kate and Gerry McCann have not been charged with child neglect.?
2)Why the British Tax payers are expected to pay for on going investigations for a disappearance of a child outside the U.K.?

su said...

I was kicked off two McCann forums for suggesting it was a hoax.
Not warned just when I went to sigh in - it was not possible.
So I could speculate on any other possible scenario - but absolutely not this one.

Di said...

Hi All

The hoax theory has been going around for several years. If you asked me in year one would it be possible, I would have said yes. It would have been an excellent idea/hoax to frighten parents into getting their children micro-chipped, which was being put forward at the time, and obviously the amber alert system.

If you ask me now could it be a hoax, I just can't see how it could possibly be kept quiet all these years. Where is Madeleine, who is she being kept with?

Kate & Gerry would also have to be in constant touch with Madeleine, also visiting, otherwise by now Madeleine would have forgotten them. What about the twins, if they were keeping in touch with their sister they would surely let something slip. If the family were having no contact with Madeleine and she was suddenly found, we would have one very disturbed child.

I would love nothing more than Madeleine to be found safe, sadly I do not believe that will happen.

viv said...

Hiya all

But whatever they did they are perpetuating some kind of hoax are they not? Do they have a legitimate and lawful reason to collect money for searching for Madeleine insisting the only scenario that can be right is stranger abduction? If it was not, they are a couple of fraudsters.

I am sure the McCanns would have jumped at the chance of being prosecuted in Portugal for nothing more than child neglect. I am also sure they would jump at the chance to have just the Portuguese Police back on the case!

Su, why worry yourself about not being allowed to post on a "McCann forum", do you really want your thinking controlled by them?

If you cannot follow their spin and repeat the dogma then they do not want you and you should not be wanting them! Just why is it you have to fastidiously stick to the McCanns probably Kate killed Maddie, it was an accident and Gerry got rid of the body, or you can opt for plan b, a stranger broke in an took Maddie. You are not allowed to talk about anything else. Anyone who does not find that just a bid odd....

viv said...

I honestly do not have any agenda Su, I have always wanted to know what happened to Madeleine and do not have a problem in considering what may have happened, lots of options have been looked at on here. As you suggest, that is not the case on other forums, you must post in the way that is expected, they do not care about little Maddie or any child. They care about money. That is very sick and corrupt.

Wizard said...

Hi Viv,

Was this all a hoax? We know Gerry was a bit of a loud mouth prankster according to Diane Webster. In fact, when Kate broke the news to the Tapis Group that Madeleine was missing on 4th May, Webster didn’t get up with the others, she remained seated at the table. When asked about this she said she thought it was another one of Gerry’s pranks.

Dark as it is to think the McCanns could perpetuate this story for so long for financial reward, I think the truth is darker and all that has followed from the 4th May is a cover up for Madeleine’s death with the parents culpable. Even Lady Macbeth’s recent book had profiler Pat Brown saying the book was an attempt by KM to prove her innocence rather than to keep alive the search for her daughter. The alleged reason KM wrote the book of course. Other commentators say the book reads as a confession seeped in evasions and justifications.

Although an unusual scenario cannot be discounted, the truth in all probability is much simpler and mundane.

I was reading a recent case of a mother who murdered her child. It was reported she saw the child as a narcissistic extension of herself. A less than perfect child was not acceptable and had to be got rid of. Quite a chilling thought for murder. Although M’s parents’ apparent narcissism may or may not be a full explanation of why M disappeared, imo a difficult or imperfect child would accelerate in someone with narcissistic tendencies a flash of temper more readily on a child that was seen not as perfect. If of course, one or both of the parents had strong narcissistic traits – this is yet unproved only likely.

viv said...

Hi all, I just updated this thread with the McCanns in Australia plugging their book. Presumably a long trip where again, Justice Hogg/Social Servs will not permit their presence?

If you go to that site there is also a video which does not seem to have reproduced but Kate makes the oddest of comments about Madeleine "she was just so compact", watch the evil look he gives to that comment. Now come on Gerry, what was it exactly that Kate said there that bothered him so much?

What I also find quite bizarre is it would seem that in exchange for this publicity in Australia the McCanns are actually asked the question, did you kill Madeleine? Not the most convincing of responses, because the likelihood is, one way or another, yes they did.

viv said...

We had another story "if you are happy and you know it", how handy they have the video of Maddie doing that one? Is it a story?

Above I meant what a long way to go without the twins, who is looking after them?

How desperate are the McCanns to get money from this book and what do they need that money for? It seems to me it can only be for their "Defence Fighting Fund" which in reality is what the Find Maddie Fund has always been and did cause Esther McVey to resign.

British investigators called it "the worst preserved crime scene they had ever encountered", well actually lady that was a comment from an ex junior police investigator, Mark Williams Thomas.

Wiz, I think one of the most bizarre suggestions of all is that Gerry walked around PDL with his dead daughter, looking for somewhere to dump her lifeless body.

viv said...

What normal parents would go into this "ludicrous and ridiculous" discussion about how they supposedly hid her body and then hid it a bit more weeks later in a hire car.

Natasha was kept in a purpose built dungeon, given up for dead except for her mom.... this is really sick stuff on behalf of Team McCann.

viv said...

With no police force currently investigating Madeleine's case....

this is just a blatant lie isn't it? what about the current investigation by London Met, costing millions? Why is it the McCanns do not want to talk about this and tell us they still need their own private investigators?

Is that an admission all London Met are doing is looking for evidence to nail Kate and Gerry rather than find Madeleine?

viv said...

The "McCann family album" with the above article turns out to contain just one grown up picture of Madeleine, one family shot when the twins were babies and Maddie also and the rest are all pictures of Kate and Gerry. So are they narcissists Wiz, do they think this is just The Kate and Gerry Show as Gerry so aptly christened it, it would appear that way. What use does all those pictures of Kate and Gerry actually provide to the general public? Does it even show them as a happy normal couple? Why is the focus on that, why is there virtually no pictures of Madeleine aged three and a half to four, or better still on that holiday? What use are old pictures of the gruesome twosome before they even had children? What a great pity they ever did, as one has permanently gone missing and the other two are left with an abnormal life of horror, even now, parents acting like royalty on an Australian tour with their poor little twins who have suffered so much, left behind?

Di said...

Hi Viv & all

I suppose you have seen that Pat Brown's book has been removed from Amazon, copyright infringement apparently, Carter Rucked.

I would love to know what is really going on. This is certainly not in any shape or form a normal missing child case.

viv said...

HIya Di, I did read that on MM.

I have never been too sure about this lady. It seems to me there are far too many people trying to tell us what happened.

But the reality, it seems to me is the police were looking at what they may have done with Maddie and the dogs were one option to try and find out. Goncalo and Almeida got a bit carried away and the evidence certainly did not suggest she died in that apartment. He got removed from the case and it seems to me from that day on it went in a very different direction.

But you are right, this is not a normal missing child case, I remain convinced it is one where the parents made her disappear with the intention of cashing in and possibly even worse than that. There is certainly evidence to back that particular view!

xxx

viv said...

The real issue I would like answering is just why do they persist with their own "investigation", when, to all intents and purposes they got just what they wanted from Cameron, London Met to properly investigate.

I think the thing is they did not. They wanted our government to put pressure on the Portuguese to re-open the investigation and state they were looking for Madeleine's abductor. Given it remains solely in the hands of British Police that means they remain something they have desperately tried to shake off, prime suspects in her disappearance and that makes it very much the business of British Police, the last thing the McCanns want people to realise, hence all the massive and continuing spin. Pat Brown sorry to say it, but I think she is a part of that spin. I saw her in interview and she came across as very insincere and she just ignores the damning and real evidence against this couple, now why would she do that!

I think the forum we often tune into is very much focussed in that direction and likewise the Portuguese one, but for a slightly different reason. The dogs are a load of old baloney, intended to throw people off the erm, scent. I can believe it was him who asked for them.

viv said...

Wiz, Di and all, I have to say that Kate killing Madeleine does remain a very good possibility. She is clearly very far removed from in normal mental health. That could be the obvious reason as to why she goes along with this charade and Gerry may well have covered it up rather than dob Kate is because his own behaviour is quite bizarre.

From what I have read of her book which is only snippets I have gleaned because I simply will not line their pockets, it does read as some sort of a confessional littered with justifications and excuses. But if it was his plan in the main and him who was abusing Madeleine in the main, and she did nothing to stop that and save Madeleine, that is another good reason for her to climb on board and defend both of them, because she knows where they would both be going.

I also tend to agree with you that to the McCanns, Madeleine just did not meet their exacting standards, she was less than perfect and therefor expendable.

I have always thought that when this case unravels and let us hope that is precisely what London Met are doing, the whole world will be most terribly shocked.

viv said...

and here is Gerry seriously putting his foot in it and proving the point, he wants the Portuguese involved, bad luck Gerry! Bad luck for getting your hands on the files too.

Just answer us this one Gerry, how can British Police be dealing with it, unless they think it was you????

Otherwise they would not have jurisdiction, would they>>

viv said...

transcript
my heartfelt thanks to jjp for his huge contribution to the transcript

Sandra Felgueiras: Gerry do you also believe that the...

Gerry McCann: There is one real reason why we've come here and why we've taken this action and this why it is [indicates the poster] it's our daughter who is missing, and who deserves justice for a fair search. The laws of a democracy are there to protect the vulnerable in society, our daughter is vulnerable, our twins are vulnerable. Given what you've heard in court over the days of this trial, we want to appeal to the Portuguese people again, to come forward with any information that may lead us to help find Madeleine, or any other information that might be related to Madeleine's abduction. The number here is 800 814 024. [some journalist asks something to Kate McCann] Pardon.

Kate McCann: [unintelligible]

Gerry McCann: Thank you.

Unknown British journalist A: Tell us about those criminal proceedings that you're starting.

Gerry McCann: Can't comment on that.

Sandra Felgueiras: But do you think that the PJ is not investigating important leads that could help you to find Madeleine?

Gerry McCann: I think you've heard detective Paiva's testimony and that speaks for itself. There's one thesis that's being investigated here more than any other, that hasn't come up with any evidence, and the important thing is that there is an innocent child missing and that search must go on. We would very much like the whole process reviewed, we would like all information held by all law enforcements to be put together and systematically reviewed and identified areas for further investigation.

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Unknown British journalist B: Are you going to review that Gerry?

Sandra Felgueiras: We were said that that notice the PJ received had inclusively photos from Madeleine or eventually from some child...

Gerry McCann: [refuses to answer, turns head to another direction] Pardon , sorry?

Sandra Felgueiras: ...have you seen that photo?

Unknown British journalist B: Who do you want to do that review with?

Gerry McCann: The most well-qualified people capable of doing it.

Unknown British journalist C: Who, who is that?

Unknown British journalist D: Mrs. McCann, how difficult has this trial been for you?

Kate McCann: It's obviously been difficult to hear all these allegations again, and, but is reassuring again to be demonstrated publicly that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm.

Unknown British journalist E: Kate do you feel...

Kate McCann: And I really do want to ask Portuguese people to continue to help us, please, there's a little girl still missing regardless of what Mr. Amaral and his followers say, and they have their own motives. There's a little girl still missing, and we know that people care about children, please help us.

Portuguese Journalist: You are asking Portuguese people to come forward, what do you have to say if they ask you 'why are you not re-opening the case'?

Portuguese Man's voice: That is the question, that's the one.

Gerry McCann: [looks startled]

Kate McCann: [answers another journalist question - unintelligible]



Gerry McCann: We be delighted if the case was re-opened, we have no problem with that, but what we need is real investigation, not this, not dismissal...

Portuguese Journalist: Did you already do anything? Take any steps to open the case?

Gerry McCann: We, we have sent information through, at the authorities both in England and through the PJ here. It's the prosecutors decision when to re-open the case.

Portuguese Journalist: Did you get a reply then?

Gerry McCann: What we need is. What we need is and this is very, very clear. What we need is new leads, new information. We believe that information has not gone into the inquiry and we want it all systematically examined under one review panel.

Unknown British journalist F: Gerry would you want that, would that be the British police? Do you want a British review panel?

Portuguese Journalist: A reconstruction. If you volunteer to do a reconstruction wouldn't that open the case?

Gerry McCann: We want to create information that will lead us to us helping find Madeleine.

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Portuguese Journalist: That will help Madeleine. Don't you think so?

Gerry McCann: Well if it does then, you know, we will participate.

Portuguese Journalist: You are in Lisbon. You could take that step today. Ask for the case to be reopened and do a reconstruction with your friends.

Gerry McCann: We are going round in circles. We would be more than happy for the case to be reopened.

Unknown British journalist F: Gerry to clarify the, we are talking about this review. Its quite interesting. Is that something you would want the British police to do? A review of the entire thing.

Gerry McCann: We'll take whoever's prepared to do it and whoever has the most expertise and obviously we want the Portuguese and British authorities to cooperate in such a review.

Editing/video glitch

Portuguese Journalist: You are asking the Portuguese people to come forward but you are not doing it?

A number of garbled questions.

Gerry McCann: We don't know when new information is going to come forward. There are many cases as you know of, of children who have been missing for years who have subsequently been discovered. And its when that piece of information falls into place that the children are found. And if people believe, erm, unnecessarily that Madeleine's dead without any evidence then we'll never find her.

Sandra Felgueiras: Are you sure that after this court that public opinion in Portugal will change?

Gerry McCann: It depends what your question really relates to. It's not a popularity contact, er contest. It's about finding Madeleine.

Sandra Felgueiras: You claim that the finding of Madeleine has been damaged with all this Gonçalo Amaral thesis but I'm asking you if this decision will be something like you wish to happen, do you think after that, after this step it will be better for you?

Gerry McCann: I think it will be a step in the right direction. It's about Madeleine. It's not about us. It's about this girl. She's missing. She needs to be found and we are doing everything in our power to aid that search.

Unknown British journalist G: Gerry, have you formally asked anyone to start a review?

Gerry McCann: We are happy to ask now.

Unknown British journalist G: But before today is it something you have formally asked.

Gerry McCann: We are asking behind the scenes all the time, many different things. Of course we want all the information reviewed. It's sensible. It would be done in any other major inquiry. There is a situation we have been advised of in Portugal. But, you know, we want the information reviewed. We want it. It's an unsolved case. It's really important. You would expect that. There is a little girl missing. We must find her, We must do everything in our power. Just because it is hard doesn't mean we give up. We are not gonna give up.

Citizen's Female voice: Why not do the reconstruction, maybe? Why not do the reconstruction, why?

Sandra Felgueiras: Isabel Duarte told to the court that she felt you were under a judgement these days. Do you still feel or did you feel that today you were under a judgement?

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Gerry McCann: What's important is the judge's decision. I think that is the objectivity of it not biased opinion. You know, evidence has to be looked at objectively. There is no evidence Madeleine's dead. As far as we are concerned she's still out there.

Portuguese Journalist: Wouldn't you say that someone who accepts that there was an abduction is also biased? It's just one side of the question.

Gerry McCann: Aye. Obviously all possibilities have to be considered and they were considered. One was pursued much more aggressively than any other lead. But you know we weren't there on our own. We weren't in isolation. There were many many people around us. There are many different witnesses that seem to get forgotten about and only negative, er, testimony seems to ....

Portuguese Journalist: But that is part of life isn't it? There is always someone who has a different opinion.

Gerry McCann: We are here. We are standing here in front of you. We are visible. The abductor is not.

Portuguese Journalist: The abductor?!

Gerry McCann: We need to find that person and...

Kate McCann: Yes. The abductor is not.

Gerry McCann: ... and those that are responsible.

Portuguese Journalist: What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have....

Kate McCann: I know. I was here. I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw.

Portuguese Journalist: I'm not saying. I don't know anything. I'm just telling from a point of view where I don't know who to believe. I just want evidence like you say.

Gerry McCann: Where is the child? We are looking for that evidence. Where is the child? What other explanation can explain how she is not here?

Kate McCann: So(???) do you agree it shouldn't be be ruled out? Do you?

Portuguese Journalist: Other people have advanced other explanations. That's why we are here.

Gerry McCann: Okay. Any other questions before we go because we've got a flight to catch?

Kate McCann: Could you just remember there is a little girl missing and we need everybody's help.

Sandra Felgueiras: Are you planning to come on the..., next week?

Gerry McCann: Er. No.

Sandra Felgueiras: Why not?

Gerry McCann: I can't. I've got work commitments.

English Voice: Gerry, do you want to do ???? now.... for the press???

Sandra Felgueiras: How many legal actions are you planning to put in Portugal?

Gerry McCann: If you speak to Isabel. We take all our advice from Isabel regarding further actions.

Isabel Duarte: As many as necessary.

UK Photographer: Will you show it this way?

Portuguese Journalist: Gerry what's your next step?

UK Photographer: Gerry and Kate this way please, this way. In the middle please. Gerry and Kate. Thank you.

British Female journalist: Sorry Mrs McCann, are you intending to come next week? Your husband can't so....

Kate McCann: I've got no plans to come next week, no.

Portuguese Journalist: What will you do if the judge forwards the complaint and asks for the re-opening of the case?

Gerry McCann: Thank you.

Isabel Duarte: Questions about the legal actions are with me.

ends.

Note: Alphabetical letters are given to different journalists, distinguished by their voices.

viv said...

PLEASE WE WANT THE PORTUGUESE PEOPLE TO HELP US../..

Please Portuguese people come up with some new barmy leads about stranger abductors and get the British Police off our backs.

I got it just as clear as that British reporter who just kept on trying to pin you down about the British Police, Mr and Mrs McScam.

But trust me, the Portuguese people love children and are not going to help you two by coming up with some more rubbish for you to "get into the investigation".

You are all washed up Kate and Gerry and you really should not have done this, it was desperate and it was foolish.

viv said...

and now even Murky Murdoch and his titles The Sun and the News of the World are no longer helping Kate and Gerry McScam.

It must be so cold and lonely for them, just like it is for little Maddie McCann, secreted away somewhere or in some unmarked grave.

viv said...

This is an interesting thread where all sorts of fakery by the McCanns are being alleged and Docmac seems to be getting very upset by such suggestions, I wonder why? He is normally so non committal? Don't you dare diss my simple dog theory...! I am surprised Claudia has not chimed in too, lol. One thing is for sure, the title of the threat, Gerry was seriously losing it in Portugal (so was Kate in her desperation, I know what I saw, oh please help us) Gerry wants the Portuguese to do a bit more investigating of weird sightings of various kids and weirdos, just so long as he gets the heat off himself and his mates.

People on this thread have got the general point, all those pictures of Madeleine are weird, incoherent and inexplicable. Do they actually want anyone to recognise the kid? Of course not! Is she bigger on the tennis balls pic than on the aiport video pic? Yes. Does she have a funny white line going across her hand on the tennis balls pic? Yes, her arm is all red, they say it was sunburn but her hand is pure white. Discriminatory sun? Gerry is one master manipulator and coverup merchant, that much is for sure and it is not as simple as Docmac and Co would have us believe or at least that is another confusing story that differs from the reality.


http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t16203p75-gerry-being-grilled-and-losing-the-head

viv said...

Sean has developed a taste for sea bass....I don't find him funny...and he really did blog and say that and the police did really find the smell of cadaver on Sean's t shirt. The question is who put it there? The same person who put it on Kate's clothing? Is she in a position to tell the truth? Remember the foul looks she gives him...

viv said...

Who would have access to cadavers on one of his many little "business" trips home?

Someone wrote he tries all means to keep himself in the news, someone stole his wallet and his precious Maddie pics (he needs those). He had to attend an ill patient but of course made sure it made the news.

When is Clarence Mitchell going to write a best seller, when he has dropped the McCanns in it? Would people who want to be rich care about the McCanns really? Or just what they can make out of them and the story? What do Murdoch's reporters know? Friends of Mitchell's? Gerry needed the press, without them he could never be famous and rich. All over now!

viv said...

So they go to Australia, I hope the Australians have more sense...than to believe in these two money grabbing scammers whose contacts have all but ran out on them.

viv said...

Shot with all the finesse of a graveyard...

"a startling new twist, the kidnapper could already be in their home"

and we get the shots of Maddie and Gerry when she was a little one, and ridiculous cuts to Kate, so entirely believable

sorry I know the Australians have a sense of humour, but this is not funny, it is bloody sick, "I know they didn't do it"
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mediadiary/index.php/australianmedia/comments/madeline_mccann_on_seven_on_sunday/

Oh hang on a minute, Rupert is Australian and needs to recoup his losses in The States and UK where he needs to just erm shut up for a bit! You can't keep a good man down, the McCanns and Rupey strike back, down under...grim.

viv said...

"just hit me what she'd said that morning"

"my god someone tried the night before"

Kate McCann you are just disgusting. Even Australia is not far enough away... Pity it did not hit you at the time and prevent you from leaving your kids again, with the door open or so you tell us. Otherwise what chance of anyone believing all this rubbish you come out with, year in year out, hurry up London Met, please. Lock them up!

viv said...

The proposal to shoot badgers is senseless and inhumane.

There is no scientific evidence they spread TB or that such a measure would be effective. But it would provide "sport" for gentleman farmers who vote for David Cameron and the right to just as they please on their own land. All of our precious wildlife has a right to be on that land. WE do not need a greater reduction in birds bees and butterflies as they resort to their arsenals of poison to increase profitability. We need a countryside that is rich with everything that ordinary people love, just as I do. And so if you feel like me, pure fury at the Princess Anne type who think they have a right to control everything on their vast tracts of land as we desperately try to provide for wildlife in our own back gardens please hit them where it hurts and say so. Get rid of this corrupt tory government and exercise your voice to protest about legalising the inhuman slaughter of defenceless and lovely animals that give such joy to people and have a right to life.

Decent people care about children and they care about wildlife, make your voice heard!

Great comment below, from the Daily Telegraph which I am pleased to note is becoming militant against this sick and corrupt government who just want everything that suits them and their well heeled followers, huh if you don't like badgers you can shoot them. I think badgers have more right to life than they do and we all have a duty to respect and protect defenceless animals and children from corrupt thugs.

viv said...

Healthy badgers will become “CULLateral “ damage in the government’s pledge to combat Bovine TB. Throughout the ages badgers have been persecuted, dug out, baited and even eaten. Each year thousands are slaughtered by badger baiters, and many more killed or injured on our roads and motorways. They are gassed, poisoned, snared and even their setts have been filled with slurry. Nowadays the trend is to dig out and capture cubs, selling them on for anything between five hundred and a thousand pound apiece. Badgers are big money !
So when will this cull take place? Next year in April, May or June when the tiny badger cubs are first emerging? Or perhaps earlier , January or February when pregnant sows will be killed or even worse when they have given birth leaving helpless cubs below ground to starve to death when their mothers fail to return.
After a hard day’s work on the land it seems farmers will still have the time and energy to sit for hours waiting for badgers to emerge, then shooting them in the darkness as they scatter and run in the undergrowth and brambles. It is well known that badgers have extremely hard skulls, so shooting a free running badger , getting a quick and clean death will present many problems which only an expert marksman will be able to achieve.
If and when shooting of badgers takes place, will the RSPCA be allowed to attend, or a vet or even members of a local badger group, (no not nutters, just people who care) to witness and record the effectiveness of shooting free running badgers (or otherwise)? Some setts run alongside public rights of way, and we Joe Public WILL have the right to be there if we so wish. So does this new policy not present a danger to member s of the public or will it take a stray bullet and the death of an innocent bystander to reinforce just how dangerous this can be.
No-one wants to see farmers losing their livelihood to this devastating disease, there have been several programmes on television recently highlighting not just the financial losses, but also the emotional impact that Bovine Tb on a farm can inflict. It is horrendous and heartbreaking, but if the Government don’t get this right and bovine Tb is not reduced, what then? Will they hang their heads in shame and admit they were wrong and should have listened to the Scientific evidence.
Sadly, by the time they have realised their mistake, it will be too late for the thousands of badgers slaughtered or left to die a slow and agonising death in their underground homes.
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viv said...

OK, I may be wrong about Pat Brown: But I would still like to know why they completely ignore people like me who refer to the evidence of paedophilia and suggest that may well be correct and indeed one of the reasons they had Maddie abducted, aside from cash of course. I also insist it was not an accident it was carefully planned. So which is the more defamatory? I am by no means the only one who makes these suggestions based upon hard evidence either. I do prefer the evidence of Yvonne Warren Martin and the doctors Gaspar to the dogs who it would seem, did not actually find anything, although I find the suggestion of mixed DNA samples (with Maddie being but one contributor) very ominous and could understand Brit cops wanting that kept quiet. In fact I think that is the reality what they have leads more the conclusion of sexual abuse than murder, but she may well have suffered both. I do not really think prominent people should be writing books on a case that is still unresolved and under investigation, at worst they will prejudice that investigation, at the very least they cannot state what they really think for fear of being, well, erm, Carter Rucked.

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viv said...

and for me, the works of both Goncalo Amaral and Pat are lame and incredible.