9 Jul 2011

Campaign to re-open the case in Portugal by the Pro McCanns including Claudia!


I have to say this forum is the most boring I have ever come across, apart from the clear suggestion here that Claudia is leading the pro McCanns!   No wonder we stopped getting on...lol!  How irritating of me to keep pointing out the McCanns would want this because it would demonstrate their innocence, it is the British Police they have to fear.  Then there is "Zodiac" who always insists the Portuguese retain "primacy".   It did not escape my notice Clarence Mitchell likes that word.  Well they can just shut up now because I have been proved to be correct British Police are in charge of these British criminals and they are investigating them and always have been.  I sometimes wonder if I could count on one hand the number of genuine forums who are actually against the McCanns.  





Campaign to re-open the case of Madeleine McCann

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Post  merlynsam on Sun May 10, 2009 2:09 pm
Okay folks, let's flood the office of the Procuradoria-Geral da República (Attorney General’s Office) with e-mails and ask them to re-open Madeleine’s case. I understand that Claudia79 of the 3arguidos forum has started this campaign already (http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=30628 ) so let's join in and help to make a difference for Madeleine.

According to Portuguese posters, Goncalo Amaral is correct - the PGR is between a rock and a hard place. The Freeport case and the alleged political pressures make this the perfect timing. So we should write and tell them how outrageous it is that a child’s life is less important than political questions. If there is a will to do it, they could open it tomorrow, especially as there were procedural acts left undone.

Make yourselves heard. Each and everyone of you may be essential for the re-opening of the case. It is okay to send your message in English (Portuguese is obviously better if there are any Portuguese speakers on the forum) but if you are not comfortable writing in English or Portuguese then write in your native language.

The key word is PRESSURE.

  • Please, ask your friends and family members to write too. 
  • Copy this draft message to other forums where you are a member. 
  • If any of you have active Facebook or Bebo accounts - put the draft on there and ask all your 'friends' to send an e-mail, and then put the draft on THEIR Facebook/Bebo accounts.



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This is the website: http://www.pgr.pt/

This is the e-mail address: mailpgr@pgr.pt



Procuradoria-Geral da República
Rua da Escola Politécnica,
Lisboa
Portugal

Dear Sir,

Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann


As saudações a você.

I am writing as a (British) citizen to request that you re-open the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the 3 year old child who disappeared from Praia da Luz on 3rd May 2007. This small child deserves your on-going attention but her plight appears to be insignificant to all those who have the power to help, namely, the Governments of Portugal and the United Kingdom.

I believe that you and the Portuguese police will be able to discover the truth in this case. I hope that you can rise above any political interference you may suffer, or indeed have suffered, either at the hands of individuals in the UK or Portugal. At the centre of this case is a little girl who is without justice, I believe that the Portuguese are best placed to find that justice for her.

It is within your power to re-open the case and re-evaluate the evidence you have.

I would also urge you to contact the Prime Minister of Portugal and ask whether he has any intentions to request further investigations into Madeleine's disappearance.

Agradecer você.


[Your name and postal address]



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(As saudações a você - Greetings to you / Agradecer você = Thank you)


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Post  karenjane on Sun May 10, 2009 3:03 pm
Brilliant Merly and thank you SO much for doing that. I will be putting my name and address to that letter and getting it sent off.
Like you say, pressure is the key word now.

I am No 1


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Post  Tezza on Sun May 10, 2009 7:33 pm
Thank you for the draft e-mail merly, brilliant wording as usual!
I have made this thread an announcement here and have also sent it out in a bulk e-mail, as well as posting it on all the forums I use.

My e-mail has been sent and I urge everyone to do the same.
Could you please post here to say that you have sent your e-mails.

Thank you.


I am No 2


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Post  zannie on Sun May 10, 2009 8:06 pm
I have sent mine too , as a british citizen living in Germany :lol:

ETA:

I am No 3


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Post  merlynsam on Sun May 10, 2009 8:19 pm
Just to say that I did send my own e-mail so.......................


I am No 4

Next??? Let's keep this going and a short message here with your e-mail Number.

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Post  roman on Sun May 10, 2009 10:26 pm
I am a German citizen and have sent mine too.


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I am No 5


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Post  smokie on Wed May 13, 2009 9:08 pm
I will send one on too.


I am No 6


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Post  pam supportfromireland on Wed May 13, 2009 9:56 pm
I have sent one on.

I am No 7

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Post  maggie on Mon May 18, 2009 5:26 pm
Thank you for the draft. I have sent mine off.
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Post  Tezza on Mon May 18, 2009 6:03 pm
I would like to repost this important post from merlynsam which she posted recently on the Debate thread. It is important that people understand that this campaign has nothing to do with making Gerry and Kate arguidos again. It is about finding a missing child.
That means dead or alive!



Posted by merlynsam

I would also like to clarify something that seems to have been totally mis-interpreted in cyber world around the Madeleine forums.

Had the McCanns appealed against the archiving of the process last year, they would automatically have been made arguidos again (along with Robert Murat). The e-mail campaign is to have the investigation re-opened which is quite different and DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE McCANNS ARE AUTOMATICALLY MADE ARGUIDOS. The appeal against archiving and the re-opening of the investigation are two entirely separate and different processes under Portuguese law.

THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE JOINED IN SO FAR.

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Post  Tezza on Mon May 18, 2009 6:06 pm
I know that Twiglet sent hers in writing by post.
That brings our total count to No 9 so far.
Please keep them coming in!

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Post  Claudia79 Today at 12:45 am
isar wrote: this is getting less of a discussion and more of a Marcel Marceau performance

glad the mod gets his/her 'wipe' finger excercised


If you don't like it, there's a door. If you can't find it, I can show it to you.
I have a great nose, if you know what I mean.


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Post  sunflower Today at 12:46 am
Would be interested to know what was goading about my post, but others were just off topic??
I would like to know if you have removed the one by Docmac claiming to know who I am.....I found that one a little disturbing if I'm honest.


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Post  Claudia79 Today at 12:48 am
sunflower wrote:Would be interested to know what was goading about my post, but others were just off topic??
I would like to know if you have removed the one by Docmac claiming to know who I am.....I found that one a little disturbing if I'm honest.


Sunflower, I am in the process of deleting all the off topic and goading posts. Some were already deleted and that is the reason you can't see them. If you can tell me which post it is, I will check it. Anytime you or anyone else feels that a post is out of order, there is a complaint section and the post should be reported there. We can't read all posts and be online 24/7. Thanks.


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Post  isar Today at 12:50 am
ok-Claudia

let's try again..no emotion.. no goading... no sarcasm

If someone through research on this and other forums..and having taking in all the press reports in Britain and yonder/having studied the meandering files

Would know what fate befell Madeleine McCann

Would they not be duty bound to go to their local authorities and report on their findings ????

That surely is a measured and justified question

Is it not ?? BTW - I'd like YOUR views on this as well Claudia


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Post  Claudia79 Today at 12:52 am
isar wrote:ok-Claudia

let's try again..no emotion.. no goading... no sarcasm

If someone through research on this and other forums..and having taking in all the press reports in Britain and yonder/having studied the meandering files

Would know what fate befell Madeleine McCann

Would they not be duty bound to go to their local authorities and report on their findings ????

That surely is a measured and justified question

Is it not ?? BTW - I'd like YOUR views on this as well Claudia


isar, I express my views whenever I feel like it, not when other people wish so. Some things I don't have a view on, others I have expressed a million times before and others I have a view and I don't express it for several reasons. Is that clear?


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Post  isar Today at 12:53 am
Goading post removed.


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Post  Claudia79 Today at 12:54 am
isar, another one and you're out. I don't give a damn about your opinion of me or this forum.


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Post  docmac Today at 12:57 am
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Doc, enough.


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Post  Claudia79 Today at 12:57 am
Sunflower, I found it and deleted it as well as your reply to it. Hadn't checked that page yet. Sorry. If you ever feel that any post is out of line and no mods noticed it, please contact us.


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Post  isar Today at 1:01 am
Claudia79 wrote:
isar wrote:ok-Claudia

let's try again..no emotion.. no goading... no sarcasm

If someone through research on this and other forums..and having taking in all the press reports in Britain and yonder/having studied the meandering files

Would know what fate befell Madeleine McCann

Would they not be duty bound to go to their local authorities and report on their findings ????

That surely is a measured and justified question

Is it not ?? BTW - I'd like YOUR views on this as well Claudia


isar, I express my views whenever I feel like it, not when other people wish so. Some things I don't have a view on, others I have expressed a million times before and others I have a view and I don't express it for several reasons. Is that clear?


Let me get my head around this...this joint is called 'Missing Madeleine' right ? But you choose if/when to declare your views on if/why Madeleine is missing on the same forum ?

So are you just observing posters..like a scientist observes bacteria in a petri-dish ?

Or do you actually have views yourself..views you'd like to share here..rather than go on about them on sub-forums or skype ?????

Not trying to put you on the spot.....but you seem terribly non-commital to anything


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Post  isar Today at 1:05 am
Claudia79 wrote:isar, another one and you're out. I don't give a damn about your opinion of me or this forum.


I have no opinion of you at all - I don't know you

Shame you are scared of open debate

This will render this place dull


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Post  Claudia79 Today at 1:07 am
Isar, I have been discussing this case for almost four years. I will not repeat my views, which I expressed hundreds of times, for you. Get it now? Now an important question. Do you like being a part of this 'joint'?


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25 comments:

viv said...

So what is it Claudia, are the McCanns and Goncalo in cahoots to see how many books they can sell?

You have gone very quiet on Missing Madeleine, things not suiting you dear?

viv said...

PS I have still got all the lovely emails you sent me xxx

viv said...

and I have got some lovely ones from Bren and Ambersewer too xxx

What a corrupt world some people inhabit, still it will all come out in the wash, London Met style!

viv said...

How to spot a pro pretending to be an anti, if they say they want the case re-opening in Portugal, as Gerry himself does, they are most definitely pros.

Then they set up another forum to rip into each other, what sick stuff.

"child neglect" "accidental death" I really do not think so!

viv said...

This is exactly what the McCanns complain about, no further investigation was done in Portugal, Claudia says that is why Goncalo Amaral was taken off the case. I am sure that was not the reason at all!

Re: 10th February in court
Claudia79 on Mon 08 Feb 2010, 6:12 pm

Carolina wrote:
Surely the final dispatch of the PP, which by the way, he did not sign, is his opinion based on the investigation and is no more valid than the report made by Tavares de Almeida or the book by GA. Another PP could have arrived at a completely different conclusion. So, it all comes down to opinions! The report of the PP is in no way the final word on the case and the only way that can be done is by reopening it.

It should be pointed out that after GA was taken off of the case, nothing was really done in investigating the case and surely it is obvious that no new evidence was uncovered to change the course of the investigation and the conclusions arrived at in September 2007. Nothing was uncovered to exonerate the McCanns and the lifting their arguido status was a purely a political decision and not a result of the investigation.
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There was no investigation after GA was taken from the case. Which was why he was taken off the case. So no more investigation was done.

viv said...

Who is Claudia's best pal, Docmac.

viv said...

After No 9 there are no more, pretty pathetic all these campaigns and petitions and email the Prime Minister and whatever.

Go London Met and mop up all the sick people who just want to cashin on a little girl.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE

viv said...

The main threads for comments are of course the News of the World ones, but I think Claudia deserves this, I have kept quiet for long enough and am heartily sick of all these rotten people at the top and the bottom of society.

viv said...

I would say it is not just very difficult to re-open the case in Portugal, it is downright impossible really because there was no stranger abductor, it was Gerry McCann, that makes it a UK job.


"There is no political will to reopen the case" 24horas/SOSMaddie

Gonçalo Amaral says that the authorities wanted to abandon the Maddie case

Duarte Levy
25 February 2009
Translation by Nigel Moore

The former PJ inspector, who led the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, is strongly critical of the Portuguese and English authorities (so are Kate and Gerry McCann, they also think there is no political will to do what they say, strange that)

In an interview recorded in Vigo, Spain in October last year, but only now revealed, the former coordinator of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral, accuses the Portuguese authorities of not having the political will to reopen the case and the investigation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

"The political will does not exist; there is no political will to reopen," accused the man formerly responsible for the investigation and added that "when a process of this type is archived, with so many diligences to take care of, with so many facts that needed clarification, that's because there was no will to continue the investigation and that was clear when we left the investigation on the 2nd of October."

To Gonçalo Amaral, there was a clear intention of the Portuguese authorities to abandon the investigation and "it will be very difficult for the process to be reopened."

In the interview, available on video on the internet (http://joana-morais.blogspot.com), Gonçalo Amaral reports the existence of "situations in the process which in our opinion have not been taken into account, which have not even been read or became known to those who had the duty to know it," stressing that the declaration of the couple of British doctors, that refer to a holiday in Majorca, where they saw the "gestures and words indicating the existence of a child molester within that group of people who were on vacation", were not taken into account before the process was archived.

To Gonçalo Amaral, those responsible in the public ministry should have read the details of the process, adding that he "cannot believe that they read such statements and passed over them."

UK accused of blocking

The author of "Maddie: The Truth of Lie," a successful book that continues without an edition in England - on the objective of cooperation with the British authorities - also accused those at the "top of the English police hierarchy" of having blocked the progress of investigations.

According to the former PJ man, on the ground, collaboration with the British officers "was very tight, very intense," but things have not progressed when it came to the hierarchy.

The Case is confidential in England

During the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British police were "invited" to sign a document of confidentiality that prevents them today from talking about what happened in Portugal or in England, a procedure that is not normal for police in England. "It is normal in cases with the secret services, and that document is signed right at the beginning. Now with normal police, undertaking a criminal investigation, that doesn't happen," said Amaral.

The former coordinator of the Judicial Police of CID in Portimão goes further and notes that it was Stuart Prior, one of the most important officers of the British police sent to Portugal, who said, regarding the evidence collected against the parents of Madeleine, that "he had arrested people in England with much less."

viv said...

Oh, but it is normal for British Police to be bound by the Official Secrets Act, that is the way police should operate, confidentially. Otherwise they help the suspects, but I am thinking that is what the demands are for, what strange places they come from!

Di said...

Hi Viv

Yes, I am sure many people have been arrested here in the UK with much less evidence, maybe they even got to court just for the whole case to collapse.

None of us surely want that, we want a watertight case that has those responsible for Madeleine's demise brought to justice.

viv said...

Hiya Di

Well I am sure that in spite all of the manipulative behaviour in relation to this case, which is beyond bizarre, London Met can cut right through that and just focus on the vital and relevant evidence, getting these people into court to answer the main case against them, they got rid of Madeleine and have been fraudulently cashing in ever since.

xxx

viv said...

I would like to see a video of Gerry when he is asked, why did you take two sets of photos of Madeleine on holiday with you, photographs where she is obviously at different ages and looks entirely different, what was your rationale for that? Did Madeleine actually support Everton? Well I could go on but you get the gist...!

viv said...

The final online edition of the News of the World is as boring as ever.

Not one word, one mention of the McCanns or Madeleine. The massive reward they drummed up has just been airbrushed away and left as just a memory of this terrible media circus concerning Madeleine, with her vile parents at the helm. Gloomier times ahead for them now.

Their "Campaigns" page features Sarah Payne and her mum.

I suppose they know when it is time to steer clear.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/public/pub_campaigns/

Wizard said...

Hi Viv and Di,

A slight change of direction but I was just looking at an artist’s impression of a Japanese courtroom where the killer of Lindsay Hawker throws himself before her parents. Déjà vu – it reminded me of a scene from Amaral’s TV film where the Mcs were on the bed, as if praying to Allah, and wailing.

In the Japanese scene today’s Mail comments, ‘In a Japanese courtroom, the killer of Lindsay Hawker throws himself before her revolted parents. Why? In a cynical bid to avoid the ultimate penalty for his unspeakable crime…’

Hmm…

viv said...

Hiya Wiz, It is curious to know why Gerry threw himself on the floor and wailed as he approached the GNR who had just arrived. Then the bedroom scene sounds pretty similar.

I cannot imagine having to act out when I had just got rid of my child, but I suppose one would feel the need to just wholeheartedly get into theatrical mode. I think psychologists have commented, the more involved they became in other matters (i.e. engrossing themselves in admin to find Maddie) the better they would feel.

These days I do think they have toned the theatricality down a little, but do recall that in 2008 when Kate was doing a really good one (in the nice white top with the American style masses of makeup look) he just sat there literally smirking, he really cannot help himself, it is all one big game to him and conning others clearly gives him a kick. Wow, I am not in my little tenement block in Glasgow now, look at me, on the telly, people lapping us up! What a sicko!!

WE will be lapping him up on the telly as they cart him off with his silver bracelets on. Roll on!

viv said...

I read some bloggers saying they were wailing on the bed because there was something unpleasant in the wardrobe they wanted to keep from the police. Words simply fail me sometimes!

That is a pretty subtle way of calling the Portuguese Police complete plonkers actually.

viv said...

Re: Madeleine fb page
isar Today at 1:12 am

Claudia79 wrote:
Isar, I have been discussing this case for almost four years. I will not repeat my views, which I expressed hundreds of times, for you. Get it now? Now an important question? Do you like being a part of this 'joint'?


straight question - straight answer ..yep-- it's a good joint..some colourful characters/new perspectives..

but folks with KNOWLEDGE about the case should go to the authorities - non ?

one question that seems to be being dodged at every turn

viv said...

Well said Isar!

Oooh I am so upset, poor Maddie is not coming home, what a load of %*(()^% these two tricksters come up with. And they think they are clever with computers too :-)))

viv said...

Pity Isar did not say dogged at every turn, that would have been even more amusing. But I fear that is another good poster who simply will not talk the required talk. Adios!

viv said...

One thing I will say for those lovely dogs, they sell books xxx

viv said...

You would think with a name like Missing Madeleine, this was a pleasant site where all shades of opinion are welcome and Madeleine's legal status as a missing person would be respected.

But no, if you do not agree with the board Mafia that she is dead Madeleine, the dogs say so, you get the bully team on your case, and then, as with all of the really good posters, they get thrown off the place.

The display recorded above by Claudia tonight with her trusty lieutenant joining in the mauling was just sickening.

I think they should get one thing straight and call that site Dead Madeleine, The Dogs Say So, and if you don't agree DO ONE.

Still at least they did one from here when they were informed the dogs was but one theory to be discussed on here, it was not going to take over as, ahem, fact.

I admire Isar and many others who are prepared to put up with this downright nastiness where there should not be any, to expose them for what they are and remember we do not know what happened to little Maddie, and maybe, just maybe, she is still alive. Those who put their own self interests ahead of a defenceless little girl, by running a site full of socks and bullying those who are not, are vermin in my opinion.

viv said...

I have always found it interesting that with all these big sites, you can talk about Madeleine's apparent dead body and what they apparently did with it, in the goriest sickest detail that you can think of. Not that there is any evidence to base all this gore upon.

But do you ever get Claudia or Bren or any of them on the subject of the Gaspar statements and the possibility of Madeleine being sexually abused and kidnapped. No, that subject is taboo.

One theory could be they want you to keep talking about the dogs and how dead she is so that you do not talk about the reality. That is what PR campaigns are for after all, to completely change the subject. And then of course, Goncalo Amaral and Kate McCann both wrote best selling books, and the dogs certainly loom large in them.

It has to be corrupt people who would just take a couple of working police dogs and weave them into a best seller for greedy criminals.

I am sure that was not what they were trained for.

viv said...

Brilliant! For open and honest opinion like this however, they hiss at you "Pro". What a bunch of perverts! Still they are popping out rather less frequently these days and will almost certainly be proved to be wrong by British Police. I think Isar believes the last one is the answer, as I certainly do myself, and so does the Portuguese Prosecutor, Mr Menezes, not this his view suits their agenda but he is the most qualified person of the lot of them to tell us the facts.

Re: Madeleine fb page
isar Today at 3:34 am

The dogs alerted to what was put in front of them in Luz

Grime did his little dance and got paid by the British police for it

Levy got the rights for the fillum and flogged it to the Sun for 100K

A little while later Grime and his wonder dogs went ashore Jersey

they found a coconut shell

And trousered 97K for their efforts

NO DOG-LED RESULTS IN EITHER LUZ OR JERSEY

facts-nasty/upsetting facts

but facts nevertheless

give me a list of 150000 questions - please argue with the above first

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Re: Madeleine fb page
isar Today at 3:46 am

[quote="Antoinette"]Ill ask one other question Isar and will leave you to figure it out. Why did Kate Mccann refuse to answer the questions put to her by the Guardia when she was made Arguido. Just incase you dont know what these questions are here they are for you. Im off to my bed so will see your answers tomorrow


In fact, I know these unanswered questions by heart

Madeleine might have woke and wandered-plenty of building work round the church at the time - the sea a 2 minute stroll away-even for a bairn

Stranger abduction - from an unlocked 5a - possible

Non-stranger abduction - from an unlocked 5a - a doddle...especially if Madeleine had known her 'spiriters away'----check WoC/Justice Hogg

Good night-nice to have done battle with you guys..it's all in a good cause I hope

viv said...

Antoinette apparently believes that refusing to answer police questions means you killed your daughter. God help anyone who got her for a judge!

Many serious criminals do refuse to answer police questions but the police usually know what the crime is they are questioning them about. To an honest observer it was always clear that both abduction and murder were being considered as ways in which they were involved in the disappearance of their little girl. The only offence they were actually cleared of was abandonment, i.e. they did not believe that something happened to Madeleine as a result of her being left alone. Neither do I, it has always seemed that was the McCanns way of insisting a stranger took her whilst they dined.