10 Feb 2008

DRAFT PETITION 10 DOWNING STREET

Comments please!

Viv x

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We, the undersigned members of the British public believe in the rule of law, the unfettered rights of the police to properly investigate crime, the UK's duty under International law to fully co-operate in those investigations with other jurisdictions and the rights of victims of crime to the full protection of the law.

We strongly believe in the human rights of children to full and equitable protection from the law.

We also believe that all parents who may have caused harm to their child should be thoroughly investigated in exactly the way as others regardless of social class, financial backing etc.

We are concerned that in the case of Madeleine McCann British Authorities may be frustrating the rule of law by failing to fully co-operate with Portuguese authorities in their investigation of the parents of Madeleine.

There seems to have been unreasonable delay in the return of forensic analyses from the FSS.

There seems to have been unprecedented assistance offered to the McCanns at the highest levels in spite of early warnings from the Ambassador concerning McCanns' attitude and failure to co-operate with Portuguese Police. There seems to have been disparate treatment to Mr Murat who appeared to receive little or no assistance.

There seems to have been unreasonable delay in offering the Portuguese authorities mutual assistance to continue their investigations with the assistance of British authorities. We are concerned that the intervention of Eurojust appears to have been ousted by UK authorities returning letters rogatory insisting they come direct from Portuguese authorities causing further delay and frustration of this matter.

We are concerned that Portuguese authorities openly complain that the lack of co-operation from British authorities may cause them to abort the investigation. This would be a travesty of justice and a total failure to protect children from harm.

We urge the British government and all organs of the State to fully and promptly co-operate in this matter to bring Justice for Madeleine McCann and thereby all children who suffer serious harm when parents have failed in their duties to protect them from serious harm, or worse.

231 comments:

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Anonymous said...

Mystery Anon,

I see you're still lurking and not liking what you're reading. 2345 6.12 p.m.

Anonymous said...

Viv - I must dash - sorry for repeating what you already knew re: e-mail reply from Leicester Police. Did it in a hurry - as you'll see it doesn't suit "anon" who says, oddly, they're not "anon"? Smell a nasty wolf in sheep's clothing has crawled back in. Your site's obviously too good to miss!! Take care - catch you tomorrow. 2345 6.15 p.m.

Anonymous said...

I was commenting on niki's post 2345.
No comment from yours at all.

Anonymous said...

Hi 2345,

I still live in the hope it was an accident that was covered up...

Have a nice evening!

Niki

Anonymous said...

Why do some silly people have the need to post in someone elses name...Post 11th feb 3.36am was not posted by me
merc 19.12

Now bugger off and go play elsewhere.

irina said...

Anonymous, who cares what you think. You are just not able.
get medication and do not kill another child.

irina said...

For genuine anonymous (merk, 2345).
If you put your nickname into the nickname text field bellow e-mail and password it will appear instead anonymous. You do not need to fill in URL text box at all after that.

Anonymous said...

Good Evening All,
It's interesting that the Leics. Police talk about Madeleine 'at the heart' of this inquiry, and finding out what happened to her in 'May'. It is not about the parents. It is not about May 3rd.

Also, Leics. Police make it clear that they 'support' the PJ investigation, and they hope the public support this ongoing investigation, somewhat blurred by secrecy laws which our law enforcement respects, although it would have made more specific, factual statements about prime suspects like the McCanns by now.

There's no disagreement between UK Police, FSS, child protection agencies and their Portuguese colleagues, in my view. There is consensus, and a determination to pursue this investigation, however long it takes, and wherever it leads, regardless of blatant political interference and preferential treatment for the spoilt brat McCanns in Portugal, and their friends.
Friends? Or conspirators? Time will tell.
This is all about Madeleine, and child welfare, as any responsible adult knows, including those on this forum, and elsewhere, in my view.
This is something that the self-serving teeny McCann Clan and their coterie of fearful supporters will never understand because it is about something bigger than them, and in their selfish minds, there is nothing bigger than them.
Police forces,FSS,child protection agencies, civil servants of a certain kind, and most of the public think there is something bigger worth defending - the rights of children, and shared civilised values.
I hope we will not be deterred by the hateful rants of cynics who use the system for their own ends, and abuse anyone who questions that kind of sociopathic behaviour.
Leigh3 19.59GMT

Anonymous said...

Dolores......couples leaving Portimao after questioning

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.uspx?contractUrl=1&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=unidentified%20foreign%20couple&src=standard#1

Anonymous said...

By the way, it is also interesting that there is only one UK charity run by the British Police. It is called Child Victims of Crime. It was founded after the Warrington bombs which killed children, among others. It assists the children who survive crime, and their families. Counselling for victims of heinous crimes, like murder, rape, terrorism. Holidays to brighten sad minds, broken bodies. Replacements for possessions stolen. National educational campaigns to alert children and parents.

When the McCanns fled back to the UK, they walked into the lion's den, in my view.

Time. It takes time to expose and bring wrongdoers to justice, in my view. It take the dedication of the public to roar its disapproval, and insist on Justice for Madeleine, and every missing or abused child.

xo, sweethearts.

Unknown said...

Hiya Niki

Good to hear from you again - dont worry I wont let any McCann spoil this site, repetitive rubbish is simple to remove.

This person does not seem to have the intellect to write anything new so has been pasting the same silly post for about a month now. It is rather McCann isnt it..the thinking seems to go if we keep telling everyone enough times that Maddie was abducted by a paedophile with a hideous creepy face they will believe it - hence Rosie's 7000 posts on the DE. What an insult to people's intelligence!

It tickles me to watch the Daily Express sometimes - whenever there are good posters on there asking searching questions he does a runner and comes on here for a bit! Happened again about 6.30 pm. What a sick nutcase I think he has now gone completely paranoid about the PJ arriving!

You post a very interesting theory but my own is a lot simpler. Gerry is a violent psycopath, the PJ have evidence of a violent assault on Maddie and Kate was badly bruised. I also happen to believe it is quite possible this was planned murder to make a huge amount of money. If it was not and he just lost his temper - he had no remorse, because he is a psychopath and immediately plotted to turn the situation to his advantage - again to become rich and famous. There is no pleasant way to describe Gerry McCann. I think Kate was horrified by what happened but terrorised from speaking out. However, I also believe it is entirely possible she is far more complicit than this. I also believe Gerry McCann caused her to suffer mental ill health and now she is extremely ill - having delusions of seeing little Maddie come to her at night - a sign of intense anguish and remorse that she failed to protect her little girl. He tracked her across the world and she became entrapped by a violent, aggressive, control freak. It is a very sad story IMO. I may not have it exactly right but that is what I think. I have no doubt about the character and personality of Gerry McCann however, pure evil.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Another one for the CSI production team.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7txrRBwdO2I

Ladybugg

Unknown said...

Leigh - what excellant posts - I absolutely agree. British police and child welfare experts will be just as horrified by this couple as we are and we be doing their professional best for the twins and to bring them to justice for the death of little Maddie.

People really need to believe in this - it is the truth - regardless of the political interference - this investigation marches on and the PJ have confirmed no way is the investigation going to be shelved.

Thanks for the clear voice of reason - so well put.
Luv Viv x

By the way I was interested to read earlier - think it was Ironside said there have been 46 petitions rejected - this is great news. I know this sounds perverse but the government cannot allow discussion about an impending criminal trial it would prejudice it. What is great news is that the government have it loud and clear just what the British Public want

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!

We will get it and make children safer because of it.

In that way we can take comfort that little Maddie did not die in vain. This case will greatly raise public awareness about child abuse and just how wicked parents can be. Alerting people to such people will mean they recognise the signs of a abuse and are more likely to intervene. When you hear a little child pitifully crying..left all alone to babysit..when you see a little girl not even four running from her parents and hiding RING THE NSPCC; RING THE POLICE; RING THE SOCIAL SERVICES - FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF DEFENCELESS LITTLE CHILDREN NOT TO SUFFER ABUSE FROM THEIR "PARENTS"

As a barrister commented a few months back in The Times or the Mail I cannot remember which it would be good to have this case heard in the UK. There are so many disordered, abusive parents hear and so many children suffering terribly because of it. Awareness needs to be raised and perpetrators need to know that even doctors get caught and sent to prison.

Viv x

Viv x

Unknown said...

Hya Merc

I tried to follow your link to see the picture of couples leaving Portmao police station but it did not work - have you got the link right?

Cheers
Viv x

Anonymous said...

Hi Viv,
Can something be done to eliminate the option of posting as 'anonymous'? It's quite confusing for new posters who view this forum and see weird posts under that name, and also see rational posts under that name. It's obvious that 'anonymous' is used by very different types of people. Fair enough, but the troll on your forum is too reminiscent of the vile McCann Machine which is breaking down on other forums because publishers are fed up with their amateur antics, apart from being bored with their petty provincial aggressiveness...Editors are so bored with Gerry McCann. Publishers are bored with his mouthpiece Clarence Mitchell. Everyone's bored with their dim 'family', 'friends', and hired hands!
It's just a question, Viv. Generous of you to set up this site. I'm not complaining. Just wondering.
Leigh3 20.37GMT

Unknown said...

Ironside

Thanks for the link to the youtube video which is sad but very poignant.

WE will not stop, and she is not alone.

PJs are leading the fight for little Maddie - we all follow and reinforce that fight. We will never give up seeking justice for The Little One... Never!
xxxxxxx

Anonymous said...

Niki
'I still live in the hope it was an accident that was covered up'
Really, well what can i say, what hopes to have about a four year old little girl.
I live in the hope she is well and living with someone who is taking good care of her, someone who was childless and desperate for a child.
Deluded, probably, but then so are most of the regular posters here.

Unknown said...

Leigh - as ever my friend you make a very valid point. I will look into the options available on this site to exclude this sort of poster and come back to you

Thanks
Viv x

Anonymous said...

Dear Viv,
Just saw your last post regarding the ongoing investigation which we all need to trust. I agree with you 100%. The sad facts of Madeleine's death may assist in raising awareness in the UK about the need to give children rights, and for all responsible adults to break out of their comfort zone, and ring or write or email the relevant authorities when they feel the need to speak up for children...and all vulnerable people, perhaps.
This is our law. This is what we, the people, must defend with our actions, not just our words.

Life's a team game, don't ya think?
A rhetorical question :-)
Leigh3 20.44GMT

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

I have now turned on registered users only. I am not sure how this works but sure someone will let me know! Doc and Claudia have my email address so I will ask them if it is working ok. I hope people will take the trouble to register and still post here and I am sure our little friend will not want to attempt the registration!


As regards your last point well yes indeed let us widen to include all vulnerable people.

One particular case comes to mind of an old man in the Magistrates court pleading with them to drop the case against his son for pushing him over and beating him, particularly when drunk. Why was he pleading for the case to be dropped. "I live with him, he is my carer, I have nowhere else to go". He was a very frail little old man and it was absolutely heartbreaking to listen to.

There are many cruel and abusive people and true of course they do not just pick on children, they pick on wives, mothers, fathers the weak the addicted the disabled, those from a different race, religion or culture or sexual orientation The list is endless. We need to become a more compassionate and caring society and headlines in the Daily Express etc certainly do not help that cause. The McCann case epitomises the money oriented callous approach of many in our society that is repugnant to caring people who respect humanity and their rights to equality of treatment, compasssion and above all RESPECT.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Viv, link posted seems ok....does the site have an e mail address.could forward on

21.03

Anonymous said...

Viv, part of link should read aspx not uspx......hopefully will now be ok

ta ra said...

Thank you, Viv.
It's clear that trolls and McCann mechanics have abused the option to post as 'anonymous'. They'll probably find another way to vex honest posters on any forum, including this one, but I hope they'll be thwarted again when that time comes. They are such a bore, and a chore. Hey ho. That's democracy!
xo
Leigh3 21.02GMTThank you, Viv.

Unknown said...

Thanks merc - did you hav to register to post and what did that entail?

Sorry I know I run this site but it was a first for me - just decided to do it to have my say when the DE banned me for the second time First in my real name as Viv and then as Felicity!

I like to think I am even more trouble to their pro-McNcNasty sensibilities over here:-)

Viv x

irina said...

just testing...

ta ra said...

You are a cheeky minx, that is true, Viv! I posted to you on the new link ref: trolls.
Perhaps new posters would benefit from a little guidance re: registration.
Trolls would benefit from knowing that honest posters are determined, not mercenary fools and psychos like trolls are!

ta ra said...

Hi Irina!
Just testing :-)
Enjoyed your posts, as always. I see you don't tolerate trolls or McCann mechanics. Poor them. Lost souls. A bore, and a chore, they are.
Ne'er mind. Truth defeats trolls as we are witnessing in the growing number of questions, forums, and open defiance of mere media manipulators. Dolts, all of them. Ta ra. See you next time, I hope.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh and Irina

So I am a cheeky minx eh? Can cope with that moniker! Amusing really that supertroll has tried to harm this site and yet this thread is the biggest one on here

CHEERS SUPERTROLL

Viv x

PS Should be hearing some good news from Portugal tomorrow after the announcement to parliament. Will have a look for that in CM.

irina said...

Evening everyone.
Viv I have not logged out from forum and it remembered me. There is no anonymous option in my case anymore.
I will see if it will work after logging out.
About your theory on who is responsible. I mentioned before that it is my believe that Madeleine was violently killed in a drunken rage of annoyed and selfish parent. I thought it was Kate, because she would be more worn out and to me looks psychotic.
But if Gerry is psychopath, then it could well be him, though he has fewer reasons to be outraged, (Madeleine was not his responsibility).
I have looked on the photographs of both at the time they just left police after made arguidos. Gerry seems so angry and scared. Kate does not show any emotion at all, tiredness may be.
Either you are right and Gerry has more to fear, or Kate must be the devil himself.

Unknown said...

Hiya Irina

I think it is my preferred option, not the definitive one. Weighing up everything I have seen and heard. I do agree Gerry definitely seems psychopathic/narcissistic and Kate psychotic/borderline personality disorder. I was amazed Kate's own mother put into the public domain Kate's severe mental ill health. I recall Kate's mother's very odd reaction when asked to speak of Kate and Gerry's reactions to losing Madeleine on the telephone to her - she was spontaneous in explaining Gerry's reaction but in relation to Kate just did not want to answer. There was an unusually long pause and even then she just said something like "well she was upset, obviously". That very clearly suggested she is very worried about Kate and hiding something. Kate does not seem to have normal empathic responses. One could imagine a normal mother explaining a normal daughter in that situation and very spontaneously ..well she was just hysterical really, I just could not get her to calm down and talk sense to me... Seeing your dead child come to you in the night it is not normal grief reaction or a bad dose of depression it is much more serious than that. When looking at Kate's mother's reaction it would certainly make Kate look like the guilty party, not Gerry. They are a very grim and dangerous combination to be in charge of children and either could have killed Madeleine, I just think bearing mind the reactions we heard of Kate it was more likely to have been him, but I would not be at all surprised to be wrong about that. In short I am really not sure - they are both very grim, cold and unemotional, one is covering for the other and neither have demonstrated normal grief for their child. However, there are some indications Kate may have been very upset indeed at the time. Nanny Pennington said she was just not like any other parent she had seen who lost their child - she seemed to be completely overwhelmed, collapsing if the descriptions are accurate. The page of the bible, the death scent on her and cuddlecat but not on Gerry suggest to me Kate handling her dead child, but in order for the death scent to be there Maddie must have been dead for at least two hours. Was Kate just cold bloodedly moving the body, or loving her dead child? We need the PJ to tell us the answer to that one!

Great to hear from you again.

Viv x

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