19 Feb 2008

THE LATEST 21/2 DAILY EXPRESS PULL ALL MCCANN ARTICLES - STAY ON THIS THREAD READ FROM ABOUT POST 200 ONWARDSPhone tap Gerry/ Russell O'Brien 10 June

FOR ANYONE WHO DOES NOT ALREADY KNOW DAILY EXPRESS AND THEIR SISTER PAPER THE STAR HAVE PULLED EVERY SINGLE MCCANN ARTICLE

I think either the McCanns had an injunction served on them to stop the debate about them or more likely

The Daily Express have been advised their articles and forum seriously prejudice an ongoing criminal investigation which could certainly mean they know the PJ imminent/McCanns to be charged!

Stay on current thread I think guys!

Viv x



I think this article from El Mundo, December 07 is very illuminate, particularly in putting Murat right back in the frame emphasising his prior relationship with Gerry. It does seem likely 10 June was the date Gerry finally disposed of little Maddie and phone records confirm, lied to the police about his whereabouts. It really is so horrible, but encouraging in given us an insight as to the depth and extent of the evidence the police have collated against Gerry McCann in particular. It does sound like OB is in very serious trouble indeed - how odd our press do not report on his whereabouts /whether he is at work etc. The lack of reporting here really does give cause for concern. Investigative journalism book get throw out the window on the McCann case unless it is on some wild goose chase in Morocco, Portugal etc. - nothing here where the real suspects are housed!

Viv x




'Case Maddie' narrows the fence The wiretapping involving Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien, which would be suspect DUARTE LEVY. Special to THE WORLD LONDON .- Seven months after the night when Madeleine McCann mysteriously disappeared from his bed, police Portuguese seemed closer than ever to solving the case, which so much ink and money has caused. After a surprise visit to Elderby, headquarters of the police in London (United Kingdom), which operates Kate and Gerry McCann, the Portuguese authorities are preparing to return to interrogate the group of nine British are at the heart of the mystery. After cooperating with the British authorities, the Portuguese Judicial Police will be required to travel to England the next few weeks, with the aim of interrogating both Gerry and Kate McCann and seven of his friends with the parents of Maddie were having dinner the night of On 3 May. Elderby's meeting between the Portuguese and British police in the presence of various specialists in forensics, served to reinforce the research that the team continues Paulo Rebelo since last July and which led to consider as arguidos ( suspects) to marry McCann The Portuguese Judicial Police still suspecting that Kate and Gerry McCann hid the body of her daughter, Madeleine, and simulated his abduction. One complaint that extends to two other suspects, Robert Murata and Russell O'Brien. Contrary to what many thought so far, the Judicial Police has in its possession more evidence that simple DNA analysis. According to various testimonies, available, for example, from the list of telephone calls made by the marriage McCann and his friends, and knows also the recipients of those calls and, in some cases, the exact content of the conversations held by all members of the group. The call that most intrigued the Portuguese police took place on June 10 between Russell O'Brien and Gerry McCann. The father of Maddie initially assured the police that the call had been made from a location four miles from Ocean Club. However, eavesdropping on calls and triangulation of antennas enabled the Portuguese police, in collaboration with technicians British verify that these claims were false. The place from which the call was made and the content of the same signs are missing and the police want to explore in interrogations, which could lead to the rapid location of the body Madeleine. The triangulation of calls has enabled the police discovered an abandoned barn, where they found a towel stained with blood and waste from the boot of the Renault Scenic rented by McCann. In addition, several videos and various photographs are part of the summary, including some showing that Murat already knew the group members. Aside from the strange coincidence that Murat had been in Exeter, where residents then Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, the police received their British colleagues various elements that can prove that Gerry McCann and Robert Murata had already been seen and spoken on several occasions, even before the McCann travel to Praia da Luz. A source close to the Prosecutor's Office confirmed that there is sufficient evidence, regardless of the DNA test, to make formal accusations. But that decision will only be taken after the interrogation, and near the end of the term after which the summary of the case will no longer be secret. With the strengthening of the line of research and suspicions of the police on the Portuguese McCann, investigators have eight months to conclude its investigation. Since then, the process becomes public, according to the new penal code Portuguese. The situation of Robert Murata, Gerry and Kate could therefore worse. Indeed, Murata was declared a suspect or arguido on May 14 and, therefore, its eight months ending in January. Marriage McCann was declared a suspect on September 7, which, in his case, the term expiring in May.

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LittleGreyCell said...

14.50

Hi Viv,

Thanks for your comments on the extracts from the 3As. I agree that some of the stuff seems not to take various crucial facts into account. I also have complete faith in Docmac's assertion that Jane Tanner didn't leave the table at all.

However, what I do think sounds plausible is TTW4's thoughts on how Kate came to shout "They've taken her"; this also would fit in with why the dogs picked up a scent in the apartment next door.

Also interesting stuff (well, to me!) about Murat's link with the Tapas lot, not to mention the whole PFI thing and Masonic obligation.

The plot thickens, as they say...

X LGC

2345 said...

Everyone,

tylersmum has produced Report on the Ciprian case on 3 A's thread - Do they have enough evidence to charge them. It reaffirm's PJ's true worth and their system of justice.

I'd quite forgotten than the father in this case, along with McCanns, accused PJ of framing them.

Points are - Mother had appealed for daughter's return after her disappearance. Joano's Uncle had contempt for life. Leonor & Joano Cipriano are currently serving jail sentences for murder and concealing the body of Joana Cipriano.

The report - Court Hears Joano's Horror Story - is no exaggeration. A very just outcome was reached in this case. 4.10 p.m.

Anonymous said...

Hey, EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE ON THE MCCANNS has just been deleted from the DX! I was just reading the latest one and whoosh! Off it went! And looking back over the other articles from yesterday and the day before, they have gone as well!

Wierd!

Rat 16:08 GMT

THE3ARGUIDOS said...

hmmm....

2345 said...

Lizzy,

Just read your post about David Miliband's visit to PJ; this really takes the biscuit in my view. Taxpayers no doubt paid for his visit and since when has a jumped up civil servant had the right to intervene in a criminal investigation on behalf of prime suspects in their daughter's death and disappearance ?

Diplomatic or not, PJ were within bounds to tell him to mind his own business and take a running jump.
I don't know about you and others, but this case more than echos the mindset and behaviour of a Police State.

Viv. Hi - a quickie before I leave to cook. I found TTW4's theory of Madeleine's repatriation outrageous at first. But, having thought about it, it makes sense.
As a mother, could you bear to have your child's remains in another country for the rest of your life? I've often wondered how Kate coped with this aspect;
I think Gerry had the b ....s to do it. There were many reasons for bringing her 'home', but none for leaving her in Portugal. I've read somewhere else just recently in 3 A's (not TTW4) - another person said Police know or believe she's in England. 4.30 p.m.

2345 said...

ROTB,

McCanns - whooosh gone from DX - very intriguing. 4.35 p.m.

Anonymous said...

Hi and bye, just a quick post as I have a family engagement tonight (which I had forgotten about, so I'm in a bit of a rush).

I see those articles have gone, Rat. 4pm sharp, Everything after the 10th of this month. It has happened to individual articles before.

Even though the sighting in France has since been discounted I am amazed that CM was still prattling on 5 days after the initial report how keen G&K were to see the CCTV footage. I mean, this was the first 'sighting' ever to be backed up by visual evidence and they did the same old thing, nothing. We get the excuse from the DE forum that they may have been advised not to go. Well I'll not tell you on here quite how ridiculous that sounds. Visual evidence? I would have been in Montpellier before you could say "wonder where Gerry is this morning". They know all sightings are false. I would love to hear them discussing a new sighting late in the evening but I have a horrible hunch they don't speak to each other much nowadays

Anyway, enjoy your evening.

docmac

Anonymous said...

Everything printed in the DX after 23th February has now been deleted.

Rat 16:53 GMT

Anonymous said...

Sorry that should of course have said the 13th of February. It's been a looooonnnngggg day.

Rat 16:54 GMT

Anonymous said...

2345

On my way out the door I saw your post about the possible repatriation of Maddie's body.

How does TTW4 propose this might have occurred? There is no way, considering the stringent baggage regulations (both carry-on and checked) that even someone with Gerry's gumption would attempt to do this by air. Transfer by boat is similarly unlikely as there would be nothing to prevent a crew member inspecting the cargo. Too far-fetched for me personally.

Like Alsabella I strongly believe Maddie's remains are very close to Luz.

Gotta go, may be back later.

docmac

Anonymous said...

notdoc, doen u eerlik dink u is fooling mense met jou nuwe vriend? dubbel vriend te? net gebeur om te praat afrikaans en is konnekteer tot die mediese professie en arriveer in die nick van tyd vir jou om te praat winkel, om te probeer en oortuig vsa $you is 'n dokter? 'n wonderwerk! o asseblief man Kry 'n lewe. dit werk nie, u mei dwaas die embesiele op hier, maar nit vsa $. Ek weet u is nie 'n doc. Ek weet by die dinge jy sê. u sien Ek is 'n doc ('n ware een) en Ek weet nie een van my kollegas sal demean hulself op hierdie werf. u weet wat u is en so doen ander! hierdie werf is siek en tog u risiko jou professioneel reputasie versend op dit? geen manier notdoc, gee dit op.

(I didn't pay for my translation, how much did you pay for yours to make it look authentic?)

Anonymous said...

Goodevening everyone,

Last 2 articles about Madeleine deleted by DE?

Anonymous said...

Is that Performing Seal Language?

Anonymous said...

All the Madeleine articles on the DX are being deleted, one by one; it started with yesterdays and now they are all disappearing! I can't work out why!

Hey Doc, the Troll is trying to speak Afrikaans, hahahahaha!!!!!! How sad is that!

dolores said...

Atardi
I am not surprised that DE closed it down,about time to.There was page after page of disgusting racial posts and bully baiting going on by two well known idiot pro the child neglecters.

Anonymous said...

Ratonthebeam,

Does this means that the forum will be closed?

Anonymous said...

Dolores,

You are right I read some posts to Alsabella and I was really disgusted.How is it possible in 2008?

Well Viv must be prepared if the DE forum doesn't exist anymore.

dolores said...

Atardi
I think Viv would send them into cyberspace if they started that behaviour here.
18.11

2345 said...

Docmac,

Gerry made several trips back to England; TTW4's theory being that repatriation occurred on 7 June. I can't recall exact very lengthy details; there was a valid reason for Gerry bypassing back check on departure. Also very little rang true about Gerry's need to step in, attend the 'sick' patient and escort him by ambulance after it met them at Gatwick. The theory is this was set up; Gerry's bag was put in ambulance, thus bypassing normal procedures.

I recommend you read the thread because, in many ways, I find it it's plausible. Suits Gerry's mindset. I've only sketched the content of the thread which also includes the issue of Gerry's missing wallet. This occurred on same visit. Another aspect which I felt tied in was Mass held (iI think) 17th September, Chapel in Rothley, used by Masons. This appeared to be closure for Kate after which she no longer carried cuddle cat. Land in the area is owned by Masons - TTW4 theorized whether she was buried there.

It sounds far fetched by TTW4 is highly observant and fastidious in placing pictures of the puzzle together. Whilst Gerry said he returned to set up the Fund etc., there were no self seeking photos in the news. In the absence of any emergency cardiac equipment, Gerry would have only been able to give the same first aid as air crew were trained to do. The thread includes a report of the man being admitted to Redhill Hospital and his swift discharge.

Frankly, I think it pays to consider anything and everything with Gerry; he functions without any moral or social conscience.
I doubt any mother could bear to leave her child's body in another country if a cunning plan could be devised to bring them home. I know it sounds rather convoluted, but everything with the McCanns is never straightforward; always designed to confound and mislead.

I do not share TTW4's view that the death was premeditated or caused by suffocation. I think the McCanns marriage was unhappy and stressful for Kate; most likely Madeleine was caught in the crossfire of a heated row between her parents. I'm convinced a psychological/criminal profiler would find Gerry's behaviour more question than Kate's.

I'd thought nothing of Gerry's trips back to England and wonder about their true purpose. He didn't need to return to set up the Fund for starters, did he?
TTW4's thinking is worthy of respect, whether or not it's accepted. 6.20 p.m.

PS I've never visited Africa, but am deeply absorbed in McCall Smith's series set in Botswana; brilliantly written and transport me there in spirit and imagination. Darling Precious Rramotswe etc.

2345 said...

DE Tactics,

Tactical steps for permanent closure and if so, is the net tightening ?

After all, the puppets only operate to order in that Forum and it sounds as if they're gone into overdrive with vitriolic racist commenting. Perhaps DE are heading for the same 'spinning excuse' of it being the commentators fault alongside DM. 6.22 p.m.

Cláudia said...

All articles about Madeleine on DE have been deleted.

dolores said...

claudia
Iwas reading a few posts when it happened,and vile comments by dobywalla and mandz was disgusting and it went on page after page,then when Alsabella came on the racist attack started for no reason,they were out of order,and highly abusive.
About time it was closed, it was allowed to go on to long.

xx 18.33

Anonymous said...

Dolores,

I don't think it's possible here thank god. I was a bit confused about some posters this week.

I just read a post in "Afrikaans" and it's all about Docmac not being a doctor but that this poster (anonymous) is a real one.

I will ask Docmac why this was written.

dolores said...

Atardi
I think that may be an ugly troll, who has been stalking docmac.

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Dolores.
I was working so didn't read what was written. But coming from those two disgusting posters, nothing surprises me.

Anonymous said...

Dolores,

Thank you for that why I felt uncomfortable reading these posts.

Because it's all about "I am a doctor and you are not".

Is being a doctor the ultimate thing one can achieve in England?

It's so sad.

Niki said...

Why would DE delete all the articles?

One thing is to close a forum that has gotten out of control, as DM did, but DM did not delete their articles.

Niki, 20.51

Anonymous said...

It has happened before on the express.

Anonymous said...

Docmac,

I just read the last two posts in Afrikaans. You know I can read a bit of this language but was this really Afrikaans or a Google translation? Want wat betekent vsa?

Zijn alle berichten in het Afrikaans van zieke mensen? Of zitten er gezonde mensen tussen.

Je moet wel oppassen met die zieke mensen.

Groeten.

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
I think the DE have pulled all Madleine articles, they are all showing as deleted or missing, may be a technical fault but maybe the forum has gone. Which could indicate the arrival of the Pj perhaps? Lizzy 19.10

Anonymous said...

Relax folks, it's not real Afrikaans, just Troll language translated by Babel Fish. I think they are trying to say that Doc is not a real Doctor, except it's not real Afrikaans, so I am not completely sure.

All DX articles - not the posts - on the McCanns are being removed one by one. But if you go to someone's profile, all the posts are still there. That would uggest that it is not the forum that is the problem, but legal issues surrounding the actual news reports.

They have not been pulled by Clarence as quite a few of the removed articles were Clarence's own press releases, why would he want to have his own spiel removed?

Something is up. Something BIG.

Rat 19:42 GMT

Anonymous said...

I am sure it is a technical fault as the same thing has happened in the past.

Anonymous said...

Yes that's right Anonymous, a technical fault that only picks out the articles about Madeleine McCann, going right back to May, and deletes them, but leaves everything else intact. Maybe it is a new computer virus or something. Clearly invented by Sergei Malinka and the PJ to discredit the McCanns.

Pillock.

Unknown said...

Dolores

Thanks so much for the information on Mr Geraghty. I do recall them having a millionaire pal on the edge of PDL but never knew his name. It is interesting that nothing has leaked about him and his possible degree of involvement.

I have seen suggestions the whole car should have been kept as an exhibit but it is not possible to produce a whole car to the court room!! My understanding is that the piece of carpet that was swept, producing the DNA evidence, is safely locked away for this purpose. They only need the bit where they actually found the evidence, not the whole car!

It has been reported that the McCanns have had their own tests conducted on the car drawing a blank. Clearly they would do so given the carpet has gone! I recall a really good poster possbly Wizard on the De explaining the scientists just sweep off every single atom every trace of a given area and then carefully analyse what they find. When pput this way it explains the length and complexity of the tests. Also I think it is important that pieces of fibre are so often found and matched to suspects and victims - I think this is what has happened here - it is not just blood or bloody body fluids from a suppurating corpse.

The building contracts that Geraghy stood to benefit from at Gerry's Glenfield hospital are very intersting. As is the fact the NHS have now turned down this huge contract - I wonder when, and if as a result of the criminal investigation of Gerry McCann and whether he stood to receive a very large backhander for assisting in getting the contract awarded. I have never heard all this before and it is quite fascinating - would not mind hearing a bit more:-)

Viv x

Unknown said...

Oh my gosh guys - I am going to have a look at the Daily Express!!!! Will be back.

Note Bestrest has been taking a bending:-)

Ta ROB/LIZZIE


Viv x

Niki said...

A reminder:

http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4512

Have never copied an adress like this, if it does'nt work, it is a link to 3A,

"In defence of the antis", by Payge

Found it to long to transfer, and I'm not sure if it is legal?
Well worth a read.

Niki, 21.55

dolores said...

Daily Star has also been pulled.
20.12

dolores said...

ROTB
Maybe bundleman took them.
20.13

Anonymous said...

ROTH, I can assure you that I am no pillock....and yes it has happened before temporarily.

Anonymous said...

Obviously the Star has the same "technical fault" then. It must be catching.

Unknown said...

Oh my God you are right - every single McCann article has been pulled WTF?

http://www.express.co.uk/search/mccann/1/created/

IMO this could mean one of two things

a) the McCanns have had an injunction served on the DE

b) the DE have been warned the content of their reports and have your say is seriously prejudicing a criminal enquiry - most likely IMO!


Would put up on new thread!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Dolores

~Gerry is a naughty little bundleman:-)

Viv x

dolores said...

Viv,

Geraghty is of Irish stock.
A company he runs

T.L.A. (UK) Ltd
Registered No. 01720311
THE OLD DAIRY, 9 LOUGHBOROUGH ROAD, MOUNTSORREL, LEICESTERSHIRE, LE12 7AP

http://www.tla-systems.co.uk/

Another one;

T T WILLIAMS PIPELINE CONSTRUCTION LIMITED
Registered No.02939249 9 LOUGHBOROUGH ROAD, MOUNTSORREL, LOUGHBOROUGH, LEICESTERSHIRE, LE12 7AP
and
T.T. HOLDINGS LIMITED
Registered No 02939249. 9 LOUGHBOROUGH ROAD MOUNTSORREL LOUGHBOROUGH LEICESTERSHIRE LE12 7AP

Busy boy isn't he?

And bringing up the rear we have;

TREETOPS (UK) LIMITED
Registered No. 03380807

9 Loughborough Road
Mountsorrel
Loughborough
Leicestershire
LE12 7AP
Warehouse & Distribution Of Footwear
Tel: 01162376600

and John Geraghty sits on the committe for 'Infection Control' for Leicestershire Partnership NHS.

He is a representative on the NHS Trust as an estates manager and next he pops up as the builders rep for a multimillion pound project.

Geraghty is listed as working in Estates atthe Leicestershire NHS Trust.
Geraghty and his picture is listed at Laing ORouke as their spokesman.
Geraghty is listed at Companies house as having the interests described.


Press Release 676, 19 July 2007

Trust withdraws from Pathway Project

The University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust (UHL) Board has decided not to proceed with the Pathway Project - the Trust’s private finance initiative plan to develop hospital services at its three Leicester hospital sites.

The decision comes after the completion of a nine-week review of the project involving UHL, the two local Primary Care Trusts, the East Midlands Strategic Health Authority and the Department of Health. The review today recommended to the UHL Board that the scheme should not proceed as it can no longer be considered value for money.

The Pathway Project review was initiated after the cost of developing the specified scheme was priced £210 million higher than the previously agreed £711 million, bringing it to a total of £921 million. The review also noted that this higher figure could be subject to further costs.

This is a shortened version, Viv on the Leicester Pathways the remainder which is to long to post is on below.
xx D 20.32

www.uhl-tr.nhs./uk/newhospitals-21k
It is cached,if you do not get it from this type in address bar, leicester pathways.
















The Leicestershire Lawyers.

On the BBC News report it said "A team of Lawyers from Leicestershire flew out to Portugal today on a private plane".

1.The lawyers were from Leicestershire.
2.The lawyers flew on a private plane.

2345 said...

Viv,

Thanks for articles and the updates, much appreciated. 9.10 p.m.

ta ra said...

Hey D!
Go for it. Follow the money. That's what this is all about, imo.
A little girl goes 'missing'. Adults just think of the money.
That's how this goes.

Missing. That's an interesting word. Missing from someone's heart. Missing from their thoughts. Missing from this world after all is SAID AND DONE.

Missing Maddie, and missing the truth in this story. That's how it goes so far, imo.
xo

Josiepublic Feb 20 4.07pm PST. How right, that is, imo.

Ratonthebeam: it's all about the money, imo.

Friends of Madleine: may we continue to see the determination of the public to pursue the truth, however long it takes, and wherever it leads.
Free exchange of information on this forum and elsewhere is essential to our democracy, now that we have a pampered political class of liars, and their minions...like CM.
xo to Friends of Maddie and every child.

ta ra said...

Hi Atardi.
I went to spell Goeavoi...something! And knew I'd forgotten your lesson :-) Sorry.
Nice to see you anyway. Eyes wide open. We need our friends abroad. Please do post here and elsewhere when you see truthful articles which deserve everyone's attention.
xo

ta ra said...

Well done D!
It's all about the money.
Joesiepublic 20.2.08 4.07 PSt: so true, sadly.
Ratonthebeam: follow the money angle.

dolores said...

Viv,
Geraghty,coming out of the church in PDL with his hand on his face.Type in address bar below words,which willtake you to the video player.

BBC News Player-Prayers said for missing girl


xx D 21.33

Hi Leigh....We won't let the b......s grind us down
xx

Unknown said...

Thanks Dolores for the further information re the Leicester Pathways project which was audited in between 15 May 2007 and July 2007 prior to being shelved due to the £211M increase in projected costs. It does make you wonder, given Gerry's friendship with Geraghty whether some of his trips back were in connection with trying to keep this project afloat and also whether his trip to PDL was actually to liaise with Geraghty for this purpose. Also note the input of Leicester Universities and the links TAPAS members have to these. Isnt Payne still a researcher there if memory serves? The timing of the final loss of this project is very interesting indeed and perhaps explain Gerry's low mood and suggestion he was working on that holiday bus vid with the long face and foul language! We know for sure this man aspires to be seriously rich. Almost like as one door closes he opens another on the road to riches.

I had always harboured the thought well I wonder if this man on the outskirts of PDL actually kept Maddie's body in a freezer. Now I am wondering about this again, Mr Geraghty. Weird I once went out with an Irishman in the building trade by that name - but I am sure it was not him!!

I would seriously like to know precisely what the DEs problem is. Has anyone found if any other papers are pulling McCann articles

Very interesting there are now Leics lawyers. Funny Rosie kept on about being very busy on productive matters. Maybe he give up tring to pretend!

Viv x

Anonymous said...

McCann articles only affected on the Express and Star, and apparently they have the same server.

merc

docmac stated in one of his earlier posts that it has happened before to individual articles.

dolores said...

Viv / Leigh
This could be the unravelling of the ball of wool,there had to be as we thought, big money behind this.Her dear little body could be in this friends property.What better place.How far is his property from the Ocean Village I will try and find out later,and get back about that.

xxx 21.44

dolores said...

Viv
I been thinking about what you said,about G being miserable on the bus, it was mentioned ages ago that what he actually said when he was asked to 'cheer up'he responded with ''I'm not here to enjoy myself''
xx D 21.15

Unknown said...

HughB40

If you want to post on here stick to comments about the case, and not your theories about poster identity/me - they will keep flying!

Viv x

ta ra said...

Hey D!
Yes. It is all about the money.
Zeph: great to see you again. It's all about the money.
Ratonthebeam: follow the money.
Best wishes all. It's a red letter day :-)
xo

hope4truth said...

I am such a twit I have just asked on the other thread if anyone new what was going on on the DX and you already have a thread on the subject...
Will read back now LOL (Thanks Viv)

Anonymous said...

Are you serious, their daft map says that just about everyone who is logged in there is in Milton Keynes! Good job they're not in charge of anything important, like solving cases, best left to the PJ.

Rat 21:59 GMT

Unknown said...

Hiya Dolores

The hypothesis certainly builds, mainly thanks to your excellant research that Gerry was indeed in DPL to work and make money, not enjoy himself. His definition of working and making money is particularly perverse.

Cant remember whether it was Leigh or ROB earlier said they thought there was credence in Maddie;s body being brought back to the UK. I dont agree, it would have been an unacceptable risk to try and do this and I distinctly recall Kate saying they would like to go back to PDL from time to time. I do think Maddie is in that environ. but there is a ruthless determination to leave no stone unturned and a demonic certainty her body will not be found. I think the PJ have gone overboard quite literally trying to find it and Maddie have a very deep, weighted and watery grave. I have always thought this and nothing has changed my mind.

You know Rosie saying how busy he was going to be and would not be around much almost like he knew the DE was going to get pulled. I see the DE continued to allow him to be incredibly rude to people but when they retaliate - posts get deleted with a bizarre claim about "second warning". Rosie certainly aint no ordinary poster on the DE is he - he can be as rude as he likes and even accurately predict what is going to happen. There is a real arrogance and sense of infallibility here that I clearly recognise! This man is laughing at everyone he is such a nut - really enjoying his little games...totally in denial ...just like Mr Wright...look where he finished up ..in prison with psychiatrists wondering whether he would care to co-operate with them..I doubt it!

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Evening Viv and everyone
Thank you for the articles and reasoned debate. I have read a post with the most awkward Afrikaans babelfish translation(trying to discredit certain posters).Is the truth so very disturbing to that poster that he/she will go to the lengths of trying to come over as Afrikaans speaking and making a complete fool of him/herself?

Unknown said...

Hi Southercross

This saddo has set up a blog to criticise this blog/post his /her deleted posts and then comes on here begging us all to read it and talk to it!

Best ignored!

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Viv, yip thought there must be a "wider agenda" to it. Thank you and please keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

Goeienaand southerncross, hoe gaan dit?

It's not Afrikaans, it's Trollspeak. Take no notice, we don't.

Rat 22:10

ta ra said...

Josiepublic 7.20pm PST.

Yup. I'll buy that description. Bang on. :-) See ya next time. (Let's all follow the money angle, and find truth for dear lil Maddie). I despise frauds of any kind.
22.12GMT
Leigh3

2345 said...

Viv,

Goodnight, happy posting - is today's number a record ? I've not seen as many as this before, but I'm relatively new here. 10.15 p.m.

dolores said...

Viv
We have to go behind the man, and what is motivating him,and it can only be money, he circulates in very wealthy circles and wants a piece of it,he wants the lifestyle, and the power and control it brings him,hence the desperation for self preservation.
That is my perception only.

xx D 22.14

ta ra said...

Anon 11pm PST.
C'mon. Be fair. If you disagree with something posted by Dolores, just point out what you think is true. No need for the ad hominem. Save that for the jerks who left three infants asleep, night after night in a foreign hotel room, and their friends who did the same. Now there's a worthy target for your anger.
BTW: the Paynes had a baby listening device. They're in the clear in every sense. In every sense :-) Doh! Touch luck for the McCann mechanics ...

Anonymous said...

Goeienaand ROTB
Thank you for your reply. I guess I am not "streetwise" enough for the internet fora and trolling. (perhaps I'm too old)I'll take your advice and ignore the obvious trolling.But you have to admit that was a disastrous afrikaans translation LOL-

dolores said...

anonymous

Haha ha ha Are we getting under your skin, you are a sad @@@@

Unknown said...

Dolores and all

Have been thinking a bit more about your post that some Leicester lawyers flew out to Portugal today.

Rosiepops was again threatening on the DE last night that the McCanns were set to seriously damage Portugal's tourist industy by returning to Portugal in March.

I have noticed we get little announcements from Rosiepops before things actually happen. So, I am wondering, did those lawyers go out to negotiate the return of the McCanns for questioning to save them the humiliation of being taken back in handcuffs? March would be just right, wouldn't it?

Watch this space!!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Hiya 2345

Yes 269 is another new record - this blog just goes berserk and the days of me attempting to answer every individual post have long gone - I just cannot cope with that! but I still try to read them all - there is so much to learn!

Great to have you input as ever!

Dolores has been doing some fantastic work, too!

Viv x

Anonymous said...

So what happened to Kingsley Napsley, the Posh People's Extradition Experts? Is Richard Branson not bankrolling them any more? And was Brian Kennedy's Double Glazing Lawyer also on the plane?

rat 22:26 GMT

ta ra said...

Hi Viv,
No, it wasn't me who speculated on body bag back to UK. I never speculate on material evidence. However, I do believe that missing Maddie relies on more than DNA, and FSS. That's the problem for the McCann Machine of media manipulators. There's so very much they want to tell the public, yet there's so much more they fear will be told in time, e.g. the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...however long it takes, and wherever it leads.

Ta ra, hun. For now. :-)

Unknown said...

Hiya Dolores

This is not just your view, it is my own too. People like Gerry McCann are very disturbed and need power and control. Money and amassing loads of it always features in the m.o. of such people. Just like 2345's vile step mother. Shipman stole jewellery and forged a wealthy lady's will. Gerry fits the mould. Wright had massive debts and like to move in wealthy circles playing golf...

Viv
We have to go behind the man, and what is motivating him,and it can only be money, he circulates in very wealthy circles and wants a piece of it,he wants the lifestyle, and the power and control it brings him,hence the desperation for self preservation.
That is my perception only

dolores said...

Viv
Did you find a minute to look at the video of Gerhaghty?

By the way there is no proof the hire company sold the car,unless of course Gerhaghty bought it, and dumped it, I'm not convinced on this yet.

xx

ta ra said...

And finally...
'They' can negotiate all the like; bully all they like; lie all they like. 'They' will get their day/s in court. 'They' will face the public they have abused, misused and demeaned for so very long.

Sadly, 'they' are unlikely to show true remorse for missing Maddie, imo. She's just a little girl. No vote. No income. No future. Worth nothing in the eyes of cynics. No child is worth anything in the eyes of cynics. That is our problem in the 21st Century, imo.

No surrender to the cynics, I hope. Let them live with the consequences of their actions. I'll just ignore their bleating, self-obsessed whine.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh & ROB

ratonthebeam said...
So what happened to Kingsley Napsley, the Posh People's Extradition Experts? Is Richard Branson not bankrolling them any more? And was Brian Kennedy's Double Glazing Lawyer also on the plane?

rat 22:26 GMT

Hiya ROB - I have noted for months we hear no comment from Branson and really dont think he is involved any longer. I think there was real desperation from Team McCann at their continued arguido status and their inability to con the public into paying for their defence. Smethurst is a slimy little man, totally dishonest IMO and I would not be surprised if he was on that plane, but knows nothing at all about criminal law! just how to be a shady ******!

Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:26:00 PM PST
leigh3 said...
Hi Viv,
No, it wasn't me who speculated on body bag back to UK. I never speculate on material evidence. However, I do believe that missing Maddie relies on more than DNA, and FSS. That's the problem for the McCann Machine of media manipulators. There's so very much they want to tell the public, yet there's so much more they fear will be told in time, e.g. the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...however long it takes, and wherever it leads.

Ta ra, hun. For now. :-)

Hiya Leigh

Forgive, I am losing track with all these posts! I am sure the police have a great deal more than the DNA evidence! So many live witness testimonies, utterly damning to the McCanns, notably Mrs Fenn, the waiters and Wilkins; lies and contradictions TAPAS 7 or 8 and mobile phone evidence to name but a few!

Ta ra for now darling!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

I do not think little Maddie was ever worth anything alive to this sick money oriented couple. She was worth far more dead, well not she exactly, but as Rosiepops pointed out, just like Princess Diana, her logo, her trademark..the sick use of her eye defect. I will never forget Rosie explaining they had to register her trademark because they did not want others cashing in with Maddie dolls, as in Diana's case, oh no! Gerry wants to do all the cashing in himself!

He will finish up right where he belongs. Whether Kate will, or in a psychiatric hospital I am not sure.

Viv xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hey, hun.
Do you think something big is about to happen?
Hello, everybody! Great job as always! :-)

lizzy said...

2345
Yes I agree re Foreign Secretary's intervention, but I think that showed that there was Government intervention as late as September 2007.I have read some of the thories re Madeleine possibly being brought to uk and suppose it is possible even though unlikely.
But bearing in mind Gerry's remark when confronted by the police "Find the body the prove we killed her", that is said with the confidence of somebody who doesn't believe her body would ever be found. So I think it is somewhere where there is little if no chance of discovery.It will be interesting to see what is going to happen next, as something will happen soon ,as I feel that is possibly the reason for the removal of all posts and articles relating to Madeleine.Lizzy 22.50

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Just read your post re Rosiepops saying that they had to trademark Maddie to stop others selling the dolls, how sick are they? Fron the start, setting up the fund, wristbands etc they have sought to make money from their daughter's death,if they ever get thier Arguido status lifted it would be the green light to them to cash in big time, films books , interviews I can imagine it all.They are truly despicable people ,totally lacking in feeling and morals, they disgust me. I do hope they get brought to justice and are charged ...Lizzy 23.05

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia, darling, how are you?

Yes, I do think something big is about to happen. Maybe it is the McCanns negotiate to go back voluntarily, maybe the PJ are here/imminent, maybe the DE have received legal advice indicating they oould be in contempt for prejudicing an ongoing criminal case, where charges are imminent and have therefore been forced to pull all articles. Maybe they pulled them at the request of the McCanns/Clarence Mitchell because they further incriminate them in criminal conspiracies. Maybe even the McCanns served an injunction on the DE due to the content.

I dont have a crystal ball, but the pulling of every single McCann article is highly significant.

Great to hear from you

Beijinhos!
Viv xxxx

ta ra said...

Re: sighting in France.
Time to get your bags packed, Clarry. BTW: not for France.

Anonymous said...

There is most definitely a technical problem on the Express.

merc.

Unknown said...

Merc

When I did my usual McCann search, other articles not actually to do with the McCanns came up and are available, but every single one of the McCanns is not. That is not a "technical problem".

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Viv sometimes comments are there then other times not...........honestly I have seen the exact problems at least on a couple of occasions in the past on that site.

A couple of posters on the 3a coming to the same conclusions.

merc

Cláudia said...

Hello, darling. I'm great, thanks.
I also think it is interesting that every article has been deleted, but I still don't know for sure what it means. And the timing may also be relevant...
Are you ok? And how is L doing? is the pain gone?
Beijinhos!!!

Anonymous said...

Why just the Express and their sister the Star....do all other publications, including the Portuguese realise they cannot print any press articles re the McCanns.

merc.

Unknown said...

Merc

I am sure there is no general embargo on papers printing articles relating to the McCanns - just so long as they stick to the facts and do not print anything that may go the heart of the criminal investigation or prejudice their right to a fair trial.

You seem extremely defensive, why is that, I wonder?

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Defensive, yes probably. When I suggested earlier that it was a probably a techie problem I was called a pillock.........very nice.

I also believe that there is a lot of panic over nothing and don't believe that only the Express and Star are any different to other publications.

merc.

Unknown said...

but the Express and the Star are different Merc - they deleted all the McCann articles!! - hey ho - this is just like being on the Daily Express facing someone just like dear Mr Wright who just got convicted, never mind the evidence, I am still going to deny it...oh dear:-) McCann mentality - liars! It will be amusing to see them in court keep denying it, no matter the evidence, just like you do! Who are you by the way, not that little treasure who loves wild birds and a half full glass, PLEASE! NO! NOT HIM!

Vivx

Anonymous said...

Still in denial, like the DNA is a "technical problem"... and Jez Wilkins is a "technical problem"...and Eddie and Keela are "technical problems"... and I think the McCanns might have more than a few "technical problems" to worry about over the next couple of days. Of course Merc aka Mum21 runs a wee website, so she knows all about it....

PILLOCK!!!

rat 08:06 GMT

Unknown said...

Hiya ROB

Mum21 eh! Well in that case Mum21 - almost every post I have seen on the Daily Express written by you has shown you up for what you are - a rude, argumentative, racist PILLOCK. Now do one - you are not going to start a deliberate row about nothing here.

ROB - Thanks for the information about identity!

Viv x

ta ra said...

Choccy,
I know it is you, and someone somewhere attempted to steal your 'name', and the respect we have for you in this place, and elsewhere probably.
No matter. You are you. The world weird web is infested with trolls and frauds, but honest folk look closely at posts, and see the sincere person when that person appears.
Post on, 'icanthinkofaname'. No one can be you :-). You are you.
xo
Best wishes to you and yours,
Leigh3
23.43GMT

ta ra said...

Choccy,
I know it is you, and someone somewhere attempted to steal your 'name', and the respect we have for you in this place, and elsewhere probably.
No matter. You are you. The world weird web is infested with trolls and frauds, but honest folk look closely at posts, and see the sincere person when that person appears.
Post on, 'icanthinkofaname'. No one can be you :-). You are you.
xo
Best wishes to you and yours,
Leigh3
23.43GMT

ta ra said...

McCann Machine of menial media mechanics:-

Nothing will save your sorry souls now.

You have been tolerated by sincere people seeking the truth, e.g. the poster named 'icantthinkofaname', and you cynics twist and p*** ion their words.

Ancient Greece defined 'cynics': a word that means the "dog men"; the people who pi**ed in the streets to show their contempt for society.

P*ss on men like 'icanthinkofaname',and you inflame the anger of other, harder people than you who will defend kind men and women.
Geddit? You will, in time. I look forward to your day/s in court.

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