I hate to confess this but I really do find him rather yummy...(!)
On a more serious note, he indicates that the McCanns could only have been held in custody if the Portuguese felt the homicide was intentional i.e. murder, non-intentional homicide i.e. manslaughter they could not be held in custody. This may explain why they were allowed to come home whilst the investigation continued. In most cases of homicide by parents on a child, the parent lost their temper and attacked the child, not intending to kill them, and so generally the charge is manslaughter.
"According to Portuguese law, we don't need to have the body to decide that it is homicide".
He gives a very clear and helpful explanation of the legal position under Portuguese law.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6980000/newsid_6988000/6988040.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&nol_storyid=6988040&bbcws=1
Viv x
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Have you noticed the closer the PJ come, the nastier these trolls become.
Pity they don't have the b...s to say who they are.All we know about them is they are cowards,like the KKK.
xxD
Anon,
I do not think that anybody deserves to lose thier children. Be they pros or Antis.
If you truly were defending me then thank you but please post a name so that the confusion does not arise in the future. If you want some help as to how to get yourself a named account, I'm sure we can help. If not, just give us some form of identification at the end of your post. "Pro" views are welcome, so long as they do not intimidate other people or try to disrupt. )
BTW: The comment WAS directed at me though because it started with my nick name.
Dylan x
Dyl, my husband will be watching that progran tonight as he is in the business of renewable energy.He recently installed 2 huge solar panels on the roof and there is a whisper about a wind turbine. No prob with that but i drew the lin at a wood pellet burner and pigs and chickens. Much as i love the world and it is our duty to preserve it i refuse to re enact the good life !!! im more of a margo and have no wish to be like tom and barbra !! Must dash now as im running up a beautiful little hemp number !! LGC, please apologise profoundly to opus and tell him i have sponsored a penguin in his name!!!!!!
Dolores,
Yes, definitely the closer the PJ get the nastier the Troll reacts, it does not like the truth.
Zodiac 20.11 HRS
I CHOOSE NOT TO FEED TROLLS.
Evening all,
Just in from the baths, and off to have some tea....wewent in past Asda on the way home, so I could get a hardcopy of the Sunday Express. Well, as you might not know, we get the Scottish edition here, which is sometimes different to the one advertised on the website. And guess what, NO STORY AT ALL about Maddie, or the Clown Councillor, or the swarthy Portuguese-speaking Italians in the putty coloured people carrier; not on page 1, or page 4, or any other page, of the Scottish Sunday Express.
Funny, that. You'd think with it being such a big, important story, it would be in all the papers.....
rat 21:23 GMT
Viv,
From Enfants Kidnappes 16th Feb.,
From the point of view of the media, nothing appears to be moving. Apart from the latest political twists in the case, the press has been deprived of information on the case. But the investigation continues. The PJ are searching for the body of Madeleine, since there is no longer any doubt, by the police, that she is dead. The police are actively seeking the second place where the body of Madeleine was placed and where, in all likelihood, it remains. Bear in mind that the police are perfectly aware of the first place where Madeleine’s body was stored. Thus, basing this on the GSM triangulations used by different parties involved in this case, the police are conducting excavations at specific locations. In fact, several large tracts of land are the subject of all the attention. Half of them have already been excavated. Entire dams have even been sounded with the aid of sonar. The police seem confident in their searches and if the body of the little girl was actually found, that would considerably change the facts of the case.
Anonymouse:
Boo!
Life's scary, don't you think? Less scary for adults, but less scary than for than poor little children left alone or abused by the likes of you.
You will get your day/s in court.
2345 said...
Leigh 3,
Interesting to read the Portuguese do not need a body. tylersmum downloaded a rivetting report on the Capriano Court Case and outcomes; highly recommended reading - 3 A's thread - Do They Have The Evidence to Charge Them?
Joano's story is horrific with parallels to Maddie's case. The mother had appealed for daughter's return after he death and concealment. Joano's uncle had contempt for life. Leonor & Joao Cipriano are currently serving jail sentences for murder and concealing the body of Joanna Cipriano. Her body was dismembered for disposal.
Hip, hip hoorah for sterling work PJ. Not forgetting, of course, that the father in this case, like Gerry, falsely accused PJ of framing them. I think I'm right in saying Joano's father publicly supported the McCanns.
Proof of the expertize, proof of a highly effective judicial system and proof that the guilty in Joano's case are where they belong - behind bars. 10.40 a.m.
Friday, 22 February 2008 10:37:00 o'clock GMT
WHO THE HELL IS "JOANO"? 2345 YOU REALLY ARE A THICK HEADED MORON. FOR GOD'S SAKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE 60 NOT SIX!
2345 said...
Zepholia,
On 3 A's yesterday I read the credentials of board of directors of limited company handling the Funds. All high powered and influential.
If you have time, thentherewere4's thread on 3 A's under Justice for Madeleine is an 'eye opener' in many respects.
People with no moral or social conscience are capable of 'unthinkable' acts and behaviour. This case has large numbers of people with that mentality; the corruption in this case is as abhorrent as Maddie's death. 11.10 p.m.
Friday, 22 February 2008 11:07:00 o'clock GMT
YOU REALLY ARE A SANDWICH SHORT OF A PICNIC 2345. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE GUFF YOU WRITE? IF YOU DO, BELIEVE E YOU ARE SERIOUSLY DELUDED, HEY BUT I CAN'T HELP LAFFIN AT YA! YOU ARE A GREAT JOKE. DYL'S MATES LAFF AT HER BEHIND HER BACK TOO, THEY HAVE TWIGGED SHE POSTS HERE AND YOU SHOULD HEAR THE RUMOURS GOING AROUND ABOUT HER, BUT MOSTLY THEY THINK SHE IS A VERY SAD PERSON IN GREAT NEED OF FRIENDS. SO YOU ARE NOT ON YOUR OWN. PERHAPS THIS IS THE "GLUE THAT BINDS ALL YOU SADDO'S ON HERE?"
ratonthebeam said...
Dobywallah
Why don't you go and find some gainful employment, instead of trolling round here all day? Perhaps you could learn to spell and use punctuation properly, while you are at it. If anyone is the moron it is you, and every word you type here just emphasises that sad fact. Go and play with your pathetic wee blog or something and leave the grown-ups in peace now, there's a dear.
rat 12:37 GMT
BTW that is Associate Professor Rat to you.
FROM WHAT I SEE BEING CIRCULATED ON THESE BLOGS AND THE 3 A'S, IT IS YOU THAT WILL SOON BE SEEKING GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT. YOUR HATE FILL RANTS ARE ABOUT TO CATCH UP WITH YOU. OH AND DIN'T YOU KNOW IT IS A SIGN OF CRASS IGNORANCE TO POINT OUT THE GRAMMAR AND PUNCTUATION MISTAKES OF OTHERS BUT HEY, THAT IS JUST WHAT YOU ARE ISN'T IT? "CRASS AND IGNORANT" ( AND HATEFUL) IF I KNEW ANY CHILD OF MINE WAS BEING TUTORED BY YOU, I WOULD HAVE THEM OUT OF THERE BEFORE YOU COULD BLINK (DO RATS BLINK?)
Hiya Rat
BTW that is Associate Professor Rat to you.
Thanks so much for that - you really do make me laugh so much!!
Are some people on here mishearing what the yummy Portuguese lawyer is saying
IS THAT FUNNY? DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO MAKE YOU LAFF THEN DOES IT? PERHAPS YOU MAY LIKE TO PREFIX "FORMER" TO ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR? WE ALL KNOW HOW RAT LIKES TO BE ACCURATE IN HER GRAMMATICAL DETAIL.
MISHEARING WHAT A YUMMY PROTUGUESE LAWYER IS SAYING? ERR NO FELICITY, BUT MAY I ASK HOW OLD YOU ARE? WHY DO YOU USE THE TERM "YUMMY" SO MUCH, IT MAKES YOU SOUND REALLY FOOLISH, FOR GOODNESS SAKES GROW UP AND GET A BIT OF DECORUM, YOU ARE TOO OLD TO TALK LIKE THAT! STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF PLEASE.
2345 said...
Viv,
Rest assured, I've not misheard or misread what PJ are saying - bless them all. If you have time, you'll really enjoy the report "Court Hears Joana's Horror Story" - 'yummy' guys in serious action will have you glowing with pride, perhaps even drooling !!!
To save you checking back - 3 A's Do They Have Enough Evidence thread - tylersmum. 1.15 p.m.
Friday, 22 February 2008 13:14:00 o'clock GMT
LOL OH NO NOT AGAIN, YET ANOTHER TIME YOU HAVE MADE AN ABSOLUTE PRAT OF YOURSELF 2345.
SHAME YOUR CRAZED RANTS NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING, IF YOU MANAGED TO GET AT LEAST ONE THING CORRECT OCCASIONALLY YOUR CREDIBILITY RATINGS MAY RISE MARGINALLY FROM SUB ZERO.
YET ANOTHER 60 YEAR OLD USING THE TERM "YUMMY" THIS ONE EVEN ADDS IN DROOLING, OH GOOD GRACIOUS ME, GET A GRIP AND GET A LIFE YOU TWO.
Anonymous said...
rat , i hope you went referring to my anon comment as i put my name at the end!! isis
Friday, 22 February 2008 14:04:00 o'clock GMT
HELLO ISIS, MAY I ASK WHY YOU ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THIS LOT? YOU CLEARLY DO NOT REALLY FIT IN HERE. I HAVE TROUBLE BELIEVING ANYONE THAT HAS CHOSEN A NAME LIKE YOURS, WOULD CHOOSE THIS PLACE TO POST? MAY BE THIS IS WHY "ISIS" DOES NOT APPEAR AT THE TOP OF YOUR POSTS?
ratonthebeam said...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=516836&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
McCanns are now "begging" to see the video!
Well I suppose it makes a change from begging for money.
rat 14:45 GMT
Friday, 22 February 2008 14:45:00 o'clock GMT
SICK PERSON ALERT. WHY ARE YOU SO EATEN UP POTB? DID YOUR HUBBY RUN OFF WITH SOMEONE IN THE MCCANN FAMILY? OR WERE YOU ONCE KNOCKED BACK BY GERRY HIMSELF? ONLY YOUR RANTS APPEAR SERIOUSLY DISTURBED.
dylan said...
LGC - lol! Professor Rat, I think Doby the House Troll is about 4 yrs old! Hope nobody nicks her lollypop - it would be a case of "ohm! I'm telling my mummy of you!" IDST - oh my word!
Dyl x ;)
Friday, 22 February 2008 15:01:00 o'clock GMT
I THINK YOU WOULD BE BETTER PLACED PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO WHAT IS BEING SAID ABOUT YOU, RATHER THAN COMING ON HERE WASTING YOUR TIME AND DESTROYING YOUR OWN CREDIBILITY. TAKE A TIP, GET AWAY AND DISASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THIS PLACE, IT IS NOT A HEALTHY PLACE TO BE FOR YOU, YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS BEFORE YOU, DON'T TAINT THE MEMORIES OF NOW WITH ALL OF THIS, OR YOU WILL REGRET IT.
2345 said...
ROTB/Viv,
Strange Gerry can take a day of work (at taxpayers' expense) to go with Kate to a European Amber Alert meeting, but cannot be bothered to go to France to view their much sought after video of a Maddie lookalike.
His lack of concern with the sighting is equal to his lack of concern with her abduction. No visit to France (watch tomorrow's papers for false report of it happening) and tennis in lieu of searching on 5 May. He clearly needed a hard physical workout to deal with the stress of Madeleine's death, disposal and charade for PJ's benefit.
Those who play the game cannot see ..... Old Chinese Proverb.
Friday, 22 February 2008 15:14:00 o'clock GMT
MORON, HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THIS WAS TAKEN AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE?
YET ANOTHER FANTASY STATEMENT BY 2345 THE FOUNT OF ALL WISDOM (NOT)
AS YOU MENTION OLD CHINESE PROVERBS HERE IS ONE
"To believe in one's dreams is to spend all of one's life asleep."
PERHAOS THIS IS WHY YOU ARE SUCH A FANTASIST? ISN'T IT ABOUT TIME YOU WOKE UP? OR HAVE YOU SPENT YOUR WHOLE 60 YEARS ASLEEP? GET A GRIP WOMAN, DON'T SPEND ALL OF YOUR TIME BEING A NASTY HORRIBLE SPITEFUL PIECE OF WORK, WHAT A WASTE OF A LIFE!
ratonthebeam said...
isis!
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
What a scream! Oh dear, I can't see the screen or keyboard properly now. This is too much!!!! ROTFPIMP now, how much humour can a person handle in an evening!
Ohdear, ohdear ohdear!!!
ahahhahahaha!!!!
rat 20:22 GMT
Friday, 22 February 2008 20:22:00 o'clock GMT
GOOD LORD WOMAN GET A GRIP, YOU SOUND POSITIVELY INSANE!
BY THE WAY AS YOU HAVE APPOINTED YOURSELF THE GRAMMAR AND PUNCTUATION POLICE, MAY ASK WHY YOU REPEATEDLY MAKE THE MISTAKE OF USING SEVERAL EXCLAMATION MARKS? IE !!!! THIS IS EXTREMELY BAD, ONE IS ENOUGH, SURELY YOU KNOW THIS? OBVIOUSLY NO, YOU DO NOT, AS I SEE YOU CONSTANTLY REPEATING THIS ERROR! YOU REALLY ARE SUCH A HALF WITH PRATONTHEBEAM, NOT ONLY THAT A JUDGEMENTAL HALFWIT. STILL YOUR TIME IS COMING, THE JUDGE WILL BE JUDGED (NOT BEFORE TIME EITHER) OH I SEE IT NOW JUDGE-MENTAL, PUT LIKE THAT IT DOES SUIT YOU WELL, OR SHOULD THAT BE 'MENTAL-JUDGE'?
ISIS, ACTUALLY I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT YOU HAVING READ YOU FURTHER, YOU DO BELONG HERE, WELCOME HOME.
NOW ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS CHANGE YOUR NAME, CLEARLY ISIS IS A MISTAKE.
southerncross said...
Good evening all you kind people(goeienaand docmac en rotb)
Rat, I have followed the link you have posted re the wee blog of the named troll. My ,my!What a histrionic (sp?)little rant on that blog. Docmac, I now understand what you have previously said about stalkers on the net,and in my profession I deal with these kind of people on a daily basis .Skrikwekkend patologies.
Saturday, 23 February 2008 00:31:00 o'clock GMT
AH SOUTHERNCROSS WE MEET AT LAST! I HAVE READ ALL ABOUT YOU ON SUPERTROLL'S BLOG!
I READ YOU HAVE IMPECCIBLE TIMING? (WHAT IS THAT IN AFRIKAANS?)
NICE TO BUMP INTO YOU AT LAST, GIVE MY REGARDS TO YOUR HUSBAND.
JUST BEFORE I GO, WHAT DOES YOUR HUSBAND THINK ABOUT YOU SPENDING TIME ON BLOGS LIKE THIS? JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE IF HE IS NOT A FIGMENT OF DOCMAC'S IMAGINATION, I DON'T THINK HE WOULD BE BEST PLEASED ABOUT YOUR PRESENCE ON A BLOG LIKE THIS, IT COULD SERIOUSLY HARM HIS REPUTATION!
felicity said...
Hiya Doc and Southern
I dont understand Afrikaans - can you just stick to English?
Do you have a view on why newspapers are pulling McCann articles?
Doc I suspect you would not wish to stuff the troll:-)
Good to see you again
Viv x
Saturday, 23 February 2008 01:32:00 o'clock GMT
I AGREE WITH YOU FELICITY, IT IS VERY RUDE OF DOCMAC TO TALK TO HIMSELF IN THIS WAY.
BUT HEY, WHATEVER TURNS HIM ON, LIVE AND LET LIVE, I SUPPOSE AND YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, SEEING HIM CONVERSING AWAY TO HIMSELF IN AFRIKAAN'S IS HIGHLY AMUSING. DON'T STOP HIM, I HAVE BEEN HAVING A GOOD LAFF AT HIM, BRIGHTENED MY MORNING UP.
ARE YOU JEALOUS OF SOUTHERNCROSS FELICITY? PLEASE DON'T BE, NO NEED TO WORRY, SOUTHERNCROSS REALLY IS A FIGMENT OF DOCMAC'S IMAGINATION. SHE DOESN'T HAVE ARMS AND LEGS (OR A HEAD).
DON'T WORRY I AM GOING OFF SOON.
ratonthebeam said...
Niki
They aren't getting excited because they know fine well where Maeleine is, and obviously the little girl in Montpelier is not her.
What I find very telling is the reaction to an potential "new sightings"; they seem to be very half hearted and weak, as though they feel they have to put on some kind of show for the media but honestly can't even be bothered anymore.
They are taking all of us for fools. (At least they think they are). But it is indescribably cruel to implicate other families who Do have genuinely missing children. It is making a complete mockery of their tragedy, and as such, is IMHO totally unforgivable.
rat 08:57 GMT
Saturday, 23 February 2008 08:57:00 o'clock GMT
WHAT IS YOUR TEMPERATURE PRAT? ARE YOU HYPOTHERMIC, HENCE YOUR OBVIOUS CONFUSION?
Anonymous said...
When I first read Prat on the Beam and Nikki's comments, yeah I was really angry, so angry I think if you had been in front of me, I may have broken the habit of a lifetime and smacked your smug faces. Then I thought no, this just reduces me to your level and that is place I would rather not be, not even metaphorically. I would hate to have the ugly mindset that would allow me to write the things above that you two have written. Where is your common human decency? Really I am serious, where is it? Have you got any? Pair of horribly nasty and feeble minded bigots and to boot not at all intelligent. Hope you are proud of yourselves. Honestly this is a statement of fact, as human decency goes you obviously haven't got any, you make me sick.
Saturday, 23 February 2008 09:43:00 o'clock GMT
ANON, I USED TO GET ANNOYED WITH THESE MORONS TOO, THEN I REALISED THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT AND I STARTED TO LAFF AT THEIR POSTS, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SICK, IGNORANT STUFF THEY ARE WRITING YOU CANNOT FAIL TO SEE THAT ACTUALLY THE PARTICIPANTS OF THESE RANTS ARE EITHER SICK OR THICK, SO NOW I JUST TREAT THEM AS SUCH, 'SICK OR THICK', I HEAR 2 OR 3 OF THEM ARE JUST ABOUT TO GET A SHOCK OF THEIR LIVES. PERSONALLY I LOOK FORWARD TO READING ABOT THIS, YOU SHOULD TOO. REMEMBER THEY ARE DUE THEIR JUST DESSERTS TOO, BUT IT IS NOT HUMBLE PIE THEY WILL BE EATING.
Anonymous said...
"yeah I was really angry, so angry I think if you had been in front of me, I may have broken the habit of a lifetime and smacked your smug faces"
If you can get so angry about an anonymous poster on the internet I can imagine what your family life must be like. Your post brings to mind a certain Glaswegian who has recently become infamous. My best wishes to your spouse and remaining children.
docmac
POSTING UNDER ANONYMOUS DOCMAC? PERHAOS YOU SHOULD READ WHAT WAS WRITTEN?
ANYWAY 'MATIE BOY' THERE IS NO HIDING PLACE FOR YOU!
2345 said...
ROTB,
Good morning .. troll invasion always confirms the guilty are under increasing stress.
The report of the hugely successful Capriano Court case as a result of PJ's expertize has rattled the cages of the McCann relatives. Their mates in this case are behind bars facing a very lengthy jail sentence. The father in this case, like Gerry, falsely accused PJ of framing them - the mother withdrew her claim of PJ beating her. A very, very sad bunch of liars and child killers.
Don't feed the trolls - best let them starve - they serve no useful purpose to anyone. 10.45 a.m.
The McCanns are as guilty
Saturday, 23 February 2008 10:42:00 o'clock GMT
REALLY THO, ARE WE BOVVERED?
OMG YOU ARE SO FUNNY, THANKS FOR THE LAFF. PERSONALLY, I WILL MISS YOU WHEN YOU HAVE GONE.
2345 said...
isis,
I'm equally outraged as you'll see in my earlier post. I've e-mailed contents of libellous DE article to PJ, Goncala and Press Complaints Commission for starters.
To understand the seriousness of the lies in the article, I recommend a read of the Report on 3 A's - "Court Hears Joana's Horror Story" - produced by tylersmum - thread Do They Have Enough Evidence. Today's articles in DM & DE are blatant pack of lies.
11.40 p.m.
Saturday, 23 February 2008 11:36:00 o'clock GMT
DEAR OUTRAGED, GET A GRIP (AND A LIFE)
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