THEY WILL GET THEIR CHANCE TO DO THIS AGAIN AND EXPLAIN VERY FULLY THEIR STANCE ON "CHILD WELFARE" IN A CRIMINAL COURT OF LAW...RIGHT WHERE THEY BELONGThe heartbreaking words of little Madeleine Beth McCann to her "mummy" at breakfast on 3 May 2007, her last day alive.
Kate and Gerry McCann are "furious" that this was released on the same date they seek to promote "child welfare". Their own witness statements, the truth, why are they "furious"?
It is not, as Clarence Mitchell lamely seeks to proclaim, the timing of the release of this piece of information that is suspicious, it is the information itself. Parents who admit that they left their children crying the night before and the next night went and did the same again. What were those regular checks the next night? One at 9.05 and another an hour later at 10.05? How could they even remotely consider leaving them alone again at all, given what Madeleine had said to them? How dare they go to Brussels seeking to "promote childrens welfare"? Gerry McCann has stated they were engaging in a "high risk and aggressive strategy". Well then they should not complain when the risks are proved to be just too great. He was bound to fall flat on his face with his contemptuous behaviour to try and suggest they are decent parents and it just serves him right. He will fall flat on his face again, when the Daily Express want their money back. I wonder if they will even bother to ask for it from the profligate McCanns. As I have stated before, I think they plan to get it back by serialisations, books etc concerning one of the most infamous couples the world has ever seen and watch their profits soar. Newspapers care not how they make money, just so long as they do, they went into the lion's den and they will pay the price.
How on earth can Kate and Gerry McCann be "smeared" by releasing details of what they themselves have said? It is beyond my comprehension. It is not the reaction of decent honest parents it is the reaction of criminals caught with their hand in the till, but they have done far worse than dip their hand in the till.
Just how does Clarence Mitchell have the gall to describe a couple who admit to leaving their tiny children crying and then go and do it again the next night as "victims". His remarks where he somehow seeks to "blame" Portuguese authorities are incredibly inflammatory. When is this man going to undertand the world has a right to look at both sides of the coin. How naive was both he, and Kate and Gerry McCann to think they could pull this off and just expect their guilty secrets to be kept quiet?
The controlling arrogance where they are so adamant the world can only hear their false perception of reality, whilst reality itself can be silenced, is breathtaking and unparalleled from anything I believe we have ever seen before. When things do not go just the way they planned they spit venom and project the blame onto someone else as they proclaim just how "furious" they are. Well, we, the general public are furious. In fact absolutely livid that this couple could seek to preach to us about childrens' "welfare". How do they manage to look themselves in the mirror each morning? Mr Mitchell "demanded", what a good partner in crime for Gerry McCann..Don't you dare call us "vultures", Mr Mitchell, we are people who care about the rights of little children and sit and cry to think of Madeleine and her little brother being left alone to cry and then drugged to prevent them doing it again.
"Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and then agreed to keep a closer watch". How simply outrageous, did the life or death or the mental welfare of their children only merit a couple of minutes chat before thinking oh well we will just have to shut them up..All of this just really beggars belief.
In his witness statement the cynical liar Gerry McCann even gives an explanation for why HIS fingerprints would have been found opening the shutter from the inside and nonchalantly drops out workmen had been in his apartment. One can guarantee the police checked them out!
At least this sickening couple are under no illusions they will not be released from their arguido status and blatantly refuse to return to PDL to assist the Police. I believe the Police have the power to force them to comply and that will happen. They are their friends will be forced to explain exactly where each of them were all the way through the timeline and what they were doing. Unless of course their friends have decided to be a little more co-operative with the police to save their own miserable necks, a distinct possibility. As we know Taner and O'Brien were treated to a ten hour grilling, serves them right! I hope the Paynes got the same. I am sure it will be explained to them just how much prison they could get for falsely trying to frame Mr Murat, alone.
To anyone who ever had any doubt about the guilt of this couple I hope finally they can now see the Police knew from the very outset they were most certainly not dealing with a normal couple of parents who were victims of anything at all. From the outset the Portuguese Police have cleverly given them all enough rope to hang themselves and the noose is now very tight.
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND HER LITTLE BROTHER AND SISTER..WHO DESERVE A HOME WHERE THEY WILL BE SAFE AND LOVED AND NEVER LEFT ALONE AT ALL TO CRY WHILE HER PARENTS PURSUE THEIR OWN SICKENING AGENDAS WHETHER THAT BE IN BRUSSELS OR DOWN THE PUB OR WHEREVER!
Poor little Angels could not choose their "parents".
By the way the press are clearly turning against Kate and Gerry increasingly and rightly so. Check out the BBC page where right above a similar story about Kate and Gerry they report on a scientific study of low copy number DNA as being completely fit for purpose. Now they could not be telling you any plainer!
Viv x
Madeleine McCann complained to mother Kate about being left crying aloneBy Caroline Gammell in Brussels
Last Updated: 9:19pm BST 10/04/2008
Madeleine McCann complained to her mother after she was left crying and alone on the night before she disappeared, leaked police documents have disclosed.
Daniel Hannan: The McCanns come to Brussels
Madeleine parents will not mark anniversary in Portugal
In full: The Madeleine McCann investigation
The little girl, then aged three, spoke to Kate McCann at breakfast the following morning and said: "Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?"
Telegraph TV: The McCanns appeal to MEPs for help
The question prompted Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry to discuss keeping a closer on eye on their children. However, just a few hours after that conversation, Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment in the Algarve. Friends said they now believe Madeleine’s comment could even be a clue that an intruder was in the flat on the night before her disappearance and that they briefly disturbed her before fleeing. The detailed revelations about Kate and her husband Gerry McCann’s last day with Madeleine emerged during the couple’s trip to Brussels on Thursday where they called for the establishment of a missing child alert system.
However, Mr and Mrs McCann were furious that their witness statements – the subject of Portuguese secrecy laws – were released on the same day that they tried to promote child welfare and safety.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they were angry and disappointed at the leaks, saying: "The only reason this has come out is because of Kate and Gerry’s utter honesty in their original statements.
"It is very curious that this is being released now, having been sitting in the police files for 11 months. The timing of this is frankly suspicious."
Mr Mitchell demanded an internal police inquiry in Portugal into how the leak occurred: "We would be very interested to know what the Portuguese justice minister would say about how this has emerged from the police files on the day that it has, in the way that it has.
"Kate and Gerry have been nothing but honest and open and they have been the victims of leaks and smears."
A friend of the couple went further, describing the leak as a "blatantly cynical attempt to smear them".
"The minute that you talk about Madeleine crying is the minutes that the vultures will move in and this is why this has been leaked."
He said the McCanns were conducting half hourly checks on Madeleine, so they were surprised to learn that she had been crying.
"It wasn’t really a complaint or a scolding from Madeleine, it was a comment in the morning."
Mr and Mrs McCann, who are suspects in their daughter’s disappearance but have not been accused of any wrong-doing, have never discussed the events of the day of her disappearance - May 3 last year - because of secrecy laws.
But in extracts read out on Spanish broadcaster Telecinco’s late morning programme El Programa de Ana Rosa, it emerged that Mrs McCann had told police about a conversation she had with Madeleine on the morning she disappeared.
The little girl, then aged three, spoke to her mother because she had left her and twins Sean and Amelie alone in the night. Mrs McCann’s statement said: "While we were having breakfast, Madeleine said: 'Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?’.
"Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and agreed to keep a closer watch over the children."
After Madeleine’s disappearance, Mr and Mrs McCann were criticised for leaving their children while their dined at a tapas restaurant nearby and have spoken of their guilt for leaving them alone.
In his witness statement, Mr McCann told police that workmen had gone into their holiday apartment two days before Madeleine vanished to fix a broken window shutter in the main bedroom.
Madeleine McCann police due to arrive in UK
He told police he had checked on Madeleine and the twins at around 9pm on May 3. "She was breathing softly and I thought how beautiful she looked. I thought it was quite hot and I didn’t need to cover her up."
He went on: "Kate came running to the bar and said Madeleine’s not there, someone has taken her."
"I thought it couldn’t be and ran towards the apartment along the same route as always. I looked everywhere.
"I returned to the children room I tried to think what could have happened. To my surprise I realised I could lift up the window shutters without effort and almost without making noise."
The disclosures came as the McCanns announced they would not go back to Portugal to mark the anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Because they do not believe they will be cleared of their arguido status before May 3, they said they will not return to Praia da Luz for the anniversary.
Portuguese detectives want the McCanns to go to the Algarve for a reconstruction but the couple’s lawyers are concerned about being summoned back to Portugal.
The McCanns are reluctant to go until the "cloud of suspicion" surrounding them is lifted.
Mr McCann, 39, said: "We do not know how long we are going to be arguidos.
"The reconstruction is still under discussion. We are not quite sure what form it is going to take, whether it will be a Crimewatch style programme with actors.
"We support anything that would jog people’s memories, but we will certainly not go back on May 3."
Mr and Mrs McCann went to Belgium to garner support for the missing child alert system.
Addressing MEPs at the European Parliament, Mrs McCann, 40, said she believed such a system might have helped find their daughter.
"I believe the chances of recovering Madeleine would have been higher, it would have improved our chances.
"I am unable to convey to you just how totally devastating Madeleine’s abduction was, it has been totally awful."
Mrs McCann held a photograph of Madeleine as she made her address to the European parliament and kept her daughter’s favourite toy Cuddle Cat in her handbag
"If anyone wanted to inflict the maximum pain on us, they certainly achieved that," she said. "But that pales into insignificance when you think of what Madeleine has been through – the fear, absolute fear that she has had to endure.
"We implore you to support our declaration. Please do not wait for another child and family to suffer as we have."
Last Updated: 9:19pm BST 10/04/2008
Madeleine McCann complained to her mother after she was left crying and alone on the night before she disappeared, leaked police documents have disclosed.
Daniel Hannan: The McCanns come to Brussels
Madeleine parents will not mark anniversary in Portugal
In full: The Madeleine McCann investigation
The little girl, then aged three, spoke to Kate McCann at breakfast the following morning and said: "Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?"
Telegraph TV: The McCanns appeal to MEPs for help
The question prompted Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry to discuss keeping a closer on eye on their children. However, just a few hours after that conversation, Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment in the Algarve. Friends said they now believe Madeleine’s comment could even be a clue that an intruder was in the flat on the night before her disappearance and that they briefly disturbed her before fleeing. The detailed revelations about Kate and her husband Gerry McCann’s last day with Madeleine emerged during the couple’s trip to Brussels on Thursday where they called for the establishment of a missing child alert system.
However, Mr and Mrs McCann were furious that their witness statements – the subject of Portuguese secrecy laws – were released on the same day that they tried to promote child welfare and safety.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they were angry and disappointed at the leaks, saying: "The only reason this has come out is because of Kate and Gerry’s utter honesty in their original statements.
"It is very curious that this is being released now, having been sitting in the police files for 11 months. The timing of this is frankly suspicious."
Mr Mitchell demanded an internal police inquiry in Portugal into how the leak occurred: "We would be very interested to know what the Portuguese justice minister would say about how this has emerged from the police files on the day that it has, in the way that it has.
"Kate and Gerry have been nothing but honest and open and they have been the victims of leaks and smears."
A friend of the couple went further, describing the leak as a "blatantly cynical attempt to smear them".
"The minute that you talk about Madeleine crying is the minutes that the vultures will move in and this is why this has been leaked."
He said the McCanns were conducting half hourly checks on Madeleine, so they were surprised to learn that she had been crying.
"It wasn’t really a complaint or a scolding from Madeleine, it was a comment in the morning."
Mr and Mrs McCann, who are suspects in their daughter’s disappearance but have not been accused of any wrong-doing, have never discussed the events of the day of her disappearance - May 3 last year - because of secrecy laws.
But in extracts read out on Spanish broadcaster Telecinco’s late morning programme El Programa de Ana Rosa, it emerged that Mrs McCann had told police about a conversation she had with Madeleine on the morning she disappeared.
The little girl, then aged three, spoke to her mother because she had left her and twins Sean and Amelie alone in the night. Mrs McCann’s statement said: "While we were having breakfast, Madeleine said: 'Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?’.
"Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and agreed to keep a closer watch over the children."
After Madeleine’s disappearance, Mr and Mrs McCann were criticised for leaving their children while their dined at a tapas restaurant nearby and have spoken of their guilt for leaving them alone.
In his witness statement, Mr McCann told police that workmen had gone into their holiday apartment two days before Madeleine vanished to fix a broken window shutter in the main bedroom.
Madeleine McCann police due to arrive in UK
He told police he had checked on Madeleine and the twins at around 9pm on May 3. "She was breathing softly and I thought how beautiful she looked. I thought it was quite hot and I didn’t need to cover her up."
He went on: "Kate came running to the bar and said Madeleine’s not there, someone has taken her."
"I thought it couldn’t be and ran towards the apartment along the same route as always. I looked everywhere.
"I returned to the children room I tried to think what could have happened. To my surprise I realised I could lift up the window shutters without effort and almost without making noise."
The disclosures came as the McCanns announced they would not go back to Portugal to mark the anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Because they do not believe they will be cleared of their arguido status before May 3, they said they will not return to Praia da Luz for the anniversary.
Portuguese detectives want the McCanns to go to the Algarve for a reconstruction but the couple’s lawyers are concerned about being summoned back to Portugal.
The McCanns are reluctant to go until the "cloud of suspicion" surrounding them is lifted.
Mr McCann, 39, said: "We do not know how long we are going to be arguidos.
"The reconstruction is still under discussion. We are not quite sure what form it is going to take, whether it will be a Crimewatch style programme with actors.
"We support anything that would jog people’s memories, but we will certainly not go back on May 3."
Mr and Mrs McCann went to Belgium to garner support for the missing child alert system.
Addressing MEPs at the European Parliament, Mrs McCann, 40, said she believed such a system might have helped find their daughter.
"I believe the chances of recovering Madeleine would have been higher, it would have improved our chances.
"I am unable to convey to you just how totally devastating Madeleine’s abduction was, it has been totally awful."
Mrs McCann held a photograph of Madeleine as she made her address to the European parliament and kept her daughter’s favourite toy Cuddle Cat in her handbag
"If anyone wanted to inflict the maximum pain on us, they certainly achieved that," she said. "But that pales into insignificance when you think of what Madeleine has been through – the fear, absolute fear that she has had to endure.
"We implore you to support our declaration. Please do not wait for another child and family to suffer as we have."
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I can see that Assassin really has a special "affection" for you ...
2345
I have deleted that lengthy article because it was one of my main posts a few days ago, please do not make repetitive and lengthy posts.
Viv
Sorry to repeat, but my earlier post may have got lost in the Assassin-commotion here.
Hi Viv and all!
I just saw the interview with CM on Sky (thanks for the link Isis!) and noticed that the elapsed time between each check now has increased from 15-20 minutes to 25-30 (if I don't need to check my hearing, that's definitely what he said). I wonder how often they actually did check on their children.
littlegreycell,
Following extract from article confirms TV broadcast of damning findings. Critically, it supports the Police. Forum defence team notified CM media controller/dictator - response - front page misinformation - Police need reconstruction.
PJ eliminated any such need last July !!!
CM also concoted article regarding PJ's 'leaks' - Kate's comments - designed to undermine and defame the police.
Democracy cannot function without free press.
Hello Nancy and SwedishMum
I missed so many of you over the last five weeks, and really glad to be back. You will all be pleased to know I do not have a pampas grass at my new house, which should stop the swingers from knocking at my door....
Stella,
still the same old wonderful sense of humour, lovely! x
I missed it too when I was "floating around" with nothing to do. As Gina usually says, no real friends, only imaginary ones :-).
swedishmum,
Hello, sounds as if CM is leaking Police information - statements on file.
Top of Prosecutor's & PJ's list for requestioning - statements for Court - are prime suspects and CM.
CM faces lengthy questioning on defence by media campaign, close associations with illegal activities of Metado 3/perverting the course of justice, bribery, corruption and intimidating police witnesses. Numerous independent witnesses, including Tapas group.
PJ were planning a two month stay for this purpose.
Hello Swedish Mum,
Do you think, for some reason, that there is now a deliberate attempt to put out completely different information from that which was, we are told, given to the PJ originally?
Is this a deliberate attempt to confound the investigation? This might be so that the police cannot match the interviews the Tapas Lot are giving now with the ones they gave last year, and will not be able to come to the conclusion that the small differences in everyone's recollections prove that something is awry.
If ALL the information is completely different, and they 'can't remember' a lot of stuff, then the police will obviously find it a lot harder to get any timeline or come to any conclusion about the events of that night, because it's all too jumbled and can be taken for a load of what I will call here 'bolognaise'.
The police would then have to prove that everyone of them was lying, is what I'm essentially trying (and failing!) to say...
So Kate and Gerry have made their requirements clear, if and when they go back to PdeL! The want a five star hotel, and they want a private jet to take them there and back. As I was saying the other day, Liz Taylor and Richard Burton, all over again! I bet there wish will be granted too, and it will be the taxpayer who pays either here or in Portugal!
This pair disgust me!
Hi Swedishmum
Yes I listened to CM as well and he did say every 25 to 30 minutes which is an incredible length of time to leave them and the reality was even worse. Gerry checked at 9.05 and Kate at 10.05 now I make that exactly an hour in between checks. Sure we had some half hearted suggestion Mat Oldfield checked at 9.30 and how weird he could not be sure if he just listened outside the door or went in but could not be sure if he actually saw Madeleine. Weirder still when the older female of the group says each parent was responsible for checking their own children
So, in other words, the night after Maddie said her and Sean were crying they checked them once an hour, and this was an increase apparently, as Kate said they were going to pay more attention, oh really! No need to bother they were drugged or in Madeleine's case......
By the way I got rid of all reference to Assasin, I just posted that because I wanted our newcomer to see just what she is like!
Now we can get back to normal pleasant blogging:-)
Viv x
LGC -
You have made a good point there - in my opinion the solicitors have advised all the Tapas lot to say they don't remember - it can't be proved whether they remember or not and there is not a darn thing the PJ's can do about it,considering nearly a year has passed since it all came about. You can bet your bottom dollar that they remember but are going to try and save their scrawny necks by pleading memory lapse! memory!!
Swedish Mum,
She really, really does not like me, because I know who and what she is.
Knowledge is power and the truth can be a very effective weapon.
My only concern is that when I challenge her in this way, she may take her anger and frustration out on her kids, but other than let her live out her sick, weird fantasies at our expense, I don't really see what else any of us can do.
Anyhow, I think she has gone now, so everyone can exercise their freedom of speech without being harassed and get on with a serious and sensible debate about the case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6630000/newsid_6632600/6632649.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1
The comment that has been removed was full of lies.
Kate did make an appeal for the safety & return of Madeleine
Why did CM feel the need to point out the Rachel Oldfield spent the whole night in Tanner and O'Briens room the night before Madeline vanished. If someone can place her at Chaplins, where does that leave CM and his statement? Was it so that they have someone in place to discredit Mrs Fenn's account? It feels like they are preparing a defence.
THE PACT OF SILENCE :
Courtesy 3 A's :
kezwalk wrote:
The value proposition for breaking ranks from the McCann's has to be greater than the reward for keeping quiet.
1. Reasons for Keeping Quiet: keeping their children, government/political protection, job security, extended family & friend protection, loss of potential earnings and career path.
2. Reasons Speaking Out - the moral imperative! Revealing the actual events of 3rd May that could help find Madeleine McCann's body and the perpetrators of the alleged crime.
Cant see the the value proposition for the Tapas crew to speak out....can you?
tylersmum:
They know who the perpertrators are their friends the McCanns and the chances are that the body will never be recovered so that weakens the reasons for speaking out evenmore.
Aided, abetted and protected by CM, media controller, top civil servant funded by wealthy industrialists.
This is the team fighting the Police.
2345,
This could just be me here, but I think that the majority of the public give not a fig about the PJ leaking stuff.
What the public DO care about is nailing those who lie, who seek to cover up, and who are responsible for Madeleine's fate.
Furthermore, I think a lot of people are cheered by the sort of information making its way - however it does - into the public domain.
So if it is Team McCann who are leaking the leaks, it is backfiring on them totally.
Swedish Mum - yes, I did post as Wooram on here in the beginning, but when decided to sign on to Google I reverted back to Nancy which I prefer.
All these different personas - I'm beginning to forget my real name!!
Love reading your really sensible comments Swedish Mum! I am ultra blonde naturally, and people often ask if I'm Swedish, but no, I'm a true Brit currently living in the Costa Blanca not far from Gina!!
Good Afternoon All,
Viv - excellent article as usual says it all really.
I can understand why the McCanns are furious this leak has spoiled the party. Right in the middle of their distracting from the pj’s questioning in Britain with the much hyped campaign in Brussels to promote Amber Alert. All was going to plan when an unexpected leak appears which knocks out all their positive PR distractions and replaces them with negative ones. Furious would be a natural response at being stymied.
I see some posters think this leak can somehow be intentional to give the impression that Madeleine was still alive on 3rd May or the revenge of M3. I really don’t think so. However as I sit here typing I bet CM will be attempting to spin this leak to the McCanns favour.
Hi 2345,
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist myself, but I do think that (in this case) "something was rotten in the state of England/UK".
However, I'm not sure that it still is. I believe some (Viv?) on this blog have come up with the rather credible thought (IMO)that some of those powerful persons who initially supported the McCanns are trying to distance themselves now.
Viv,
Thanks for letting me 'Have my say'.
The thing is, she can say absolutely anything about me personally and it has absolutely no effect, but when she uses her own children as pawns in her sick, sexualised, internet fantasy mind games, it really does make me angry.
Finished now and as I said, thanks for letting me have my say.
:-)
The question was asked does Clarence Mitchell really have that much power to control the British Press? If he has been given that power, the answer is yes. It doesn’t take much, all you have to have is Rupert Murdoch as a friend and you pretty much control the vast majority of media outlets in Britain and a large chunk of the English speaking media in the world. Doesn’t Rupert Murdoch support Mr. Brown’s labour party? What shocked me about this case was realising that for the most part Great Britain does not have a free press. In attempting to send comments to some British Papers, simply stating that the PJ had the right to pursue all lines of investigation and that there were other unsolved cases of missing children in the world, I found that I could not get my comments posted. When I read all the other comments that were posted, I realised that all the comments were in favour of the McCanns and disparaged the PJ. Do you think the PJ would deliberately release an article to a Spanish media outlet just to smear them on their parenting skills and at the same time give credence to the veracity of the other statements? Look at what the Press Association reported:
Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, said that Portuguese police needed to "get a grip" and called on Lisbon to launch an investigation into the leak.
But he said the interviews showed that the McCanns had been "utterly honest" with detectives and could "nail lies" about their behaviour after Madeleine went missing.
That is the objective of the article to portray the McCanns as being completely honest and the police as vendetta seekers and not fact seekers.
How do we know if this is an actual excerpt from the case file? So, What is the high-risk strategy? The high-risk strategy is slandering the PJ to gain public approval. I would like to ask any of your Portuguese posters living in Portugal, hasn’t anyone in the Portuguese political arena said anything about the farce that took place this week in Brussels? Are they all spineless? Don’t take offence; I am still a Portuguese citizen with concern for his country.
Viv,
This is part only of the Daily Mail report,today as it is to long.
Once more they demand, now they want a public inquiry as to who leaked this information.It looks like there is going to be trouble ahead.
XX D
Hi Nancy,So nice to read you once more. :)
Kate and Gerry McCann have launched a counter-attack against Portuguese police as the row over leaked statements about their daughter's disappearance escalated into a war of words.
Police were warned by the couple's official spokesman that the "gloves are off" after what he claimed was a "cack-handed" smear campaign timed to disrupt a new appeal by the couple in Brussels.
The McCanns are said to be furious about the release of their statements yesterday, which revealed for the first time that Madeleine had been left sobbing for her mother the night before she vanished.
And today, their spokesman Clarence Mitchell signalled a distinct change in tactics for the couple by lashing out at police and calling on the Portuguese government to stop any leaks to the press once and for all.
LGC,
first like to say that I'm glad you're feeling better and then that I think you're on to something. It's so easy not to remember and since politicians can do it whenever it pleases them why shouldn't "ordinary" people feel free to do it.
I don't like it - but would probably do the same myself if I was in the situation Tapas 7 may find themselves in (having initially covered for their friends, probably in good faith, but not too sure about their innocence anymore).
I'm not saying that the McCanns are guilty and I'm not saying that the Tapas 7 have been covering - but it is a possibility.
Hiya Nancy
If Jane Tanner is saying she cannot remember any abductor now then she is withdrawing support from Kate and Gerry McCann and that is the only sighting there was of any abductor. Additionally I think she could still be charged with seeking to pervert the course of justice/wasting police time. She assisted in compiling a further e-fit in November and went on Panorama, it is not credible that she would have forgotten this now! The same with Payne he has given a positive statement to the police saying he saw Madeleine alive at 6.30 pm if he now says he cannot remember again he is withdrawing support for Kate and Gerry and again could be charged with perverting the course of justice, again it is simply not credible that he would have forgotten but this is the same as a witness saying I am no longer prepared to support them. This will lessen the trouble they are in but increase for Kate and Gerry. Likely as not Mat Oldfield will also now say he cannot remember whether he checked the McCann children at all in which case again he is withdrawing support for Kate and Gerry but also putting himself at risk. I do wonder whether the police will charge them, much will depend on how helpful they are prepared to be. O'Brien I do not see any way out at all for him, he has been proved to have lied about requesting clean linen, hopefully the mobile phone triangulation will pinpoint his movements.
No doubt Fiona and Rachel will say well maybe we were mistaken,it might not have been Murat, it has been brought up there are people who look just like him, although clearly they cannot say they got confused with Mr Payne and the other dead ringer was not in the area, again if they vehemently insisted it was Murat at the time they could be in trouble.
WE are not clear what the police have and what their movements were, so it is very difficult to try and speculate as to how much trouble they may be in but it is reasonable to assume they will be withdrawing support and trying to explain it with memory lapse.
Returning to the subject in hand, I did think that some of the comments made earlier in the day were very interesting.
Although I obviously don't think that the McCann's themselves 'leaked' the information about the interviews, I do think that this
statement allegedly made by Madeleine should be treated with caution.
As people have said, although on the face of it, it looks bad for the McCann's, if you think about it , accepting the statement is true means accepting that Madeleine was definitely alive on the morning of the 3rd May and also that she may have been abducted.
Given the fact that there are already allegedly witnesses who have told the police that Madeleine was left alone crying on the evening of May 2nd, making this statement could just be a damage limitation exercise intended to take people's minds off possible events which might have occurred on the evening of the 2nd of May.
i did not think it was a cack-handed smear. i thought it was quite successful. whoever made it.
Hello Guerra,
Interesting post, but if this is the case, that the point of the leak is to portray the McCanns as being honest, it's a bit of a losing battle, isn't it?
I think the public came to believe long ago that the McCanns have been far from honest, and this position is now too entrenched to be changed.
And I also believe that the public care more about parents who leave their very small children alone night after night - which we know to be the case here - than they do about the same people being honest or dishonest.
The backlash against the McCanns and their lovely friends is largely to do with the abandonment of their kids; being honest about some small things is not going to persuade people that they are not terrible parents, or, indeed, that it is impossible for them to be culpable in Madeleine's disappearance.
Plus, nobody among their party can now either remember much of what went on that night (!) or can agree with each other about anything that they CAN remember happening. So why should it be the McCanns who are telling the truth here?
Hi all, just been reading back post. All I can say is if those currently being questioned can no longer remember it proves what we have been saying all along that they should have volunteered to go back the minutue the McCanns were made Arguidos whilst their memories were intact. Personally I think if anything like this had happened to me the memory of it would not fade as I would contantly be going over it in mind mind to see if I had overlooked something.
QUIZ TIME: Can anybody explain to me why if the PJ are alledgely useless and lazy they did not take the easy way out and go along with the abduction theory.
Can anybody explain to me what either side (McCanns/PJ) hope to achieve with all this press coverage of alledged leaks.
Answers on a postcard please,
Two statements
Statement 1 – Kate (would we be doing all this if we are guilty) McCann
When tucking Madeleine in for the night 3 May. Madeleine allegedly says “This was my best day ever.” Kate in a later interview say Madeleine was referring to her first tennis lesson that afternoon.
Statement 2 –
Madeleine allegedly says to her mother again on morning of 3rd May “Why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?
Both of these statements could be considered leaked statements so what. Its just a case of Gerry and Kate (would we be doing all this if we are guilty) McCann only wanting positive statements in the public arena.
Nancy,
as a true blonde you must have a wonderful time in Spain. Whenever we go to France or Italy (or any southern country come to that) we're almost treated like royalties and everyone is positively adoring our kids. Quite a change from being home where most people look like us.
Swedish Mum,
Thank you for your good wishes!
I'm not sure what legal implications this has for the investigation, with the total memory loss of the whole group.
All the more reason for a physical reconstruction I feel, though, so I think they're barking up the wrong tree with this tactic.
Viv - do you know what would happen to an investigation where nobody can remember anything at all? Iit possible to continue without witness statements?
Viv,
Have just read your post to Nancy, which answers the question in my last post.
:)
Dolores from your article
"And today, their spokesman Clarence Mitchell signalled a distinct change in tactics for the couple by lashing out at police and calling on the Portuguese government to stop any leaks to the press once and for all."
For once I totally agree with him but only if this means he shuts the f..k up too.
Also,
The announcement today that low copy number DNA has now been cleared for use in criminal prosecutions, might explain why the case has been delayed until now.
This development means that if ANY of Madeleine's DNA was found in the hire car, even one or two cells, this evidence could be used in court.
The only problem is, that although DNA in the hire car would prove that Madeleine was not abducted, it could not prove who was responsible for whatever happened to her.
Hiya Dolores
We always hear tough fighting talk from Clarence Mitchell and feigned outrage and indignation, there is nothing he can do. He cannot tell the Portuguese government or the police what to do, no matter how much he tries to puff up his feathers. The man is a prat.
They can conduct the investigation in any way they see fit and I think it is very likely we sanctioned the leak!
We hear all Clarence's hot air on his latest topic, then it fades into oblivion. Remember him holding up the efit of tooth man as though he was the Commissioner of Police!
Good afternoon everyone
My it has been busy on here today.
Sorry I have not had time to read back on all posts.
I managed to see CM on the news. Like others have said, I am puzzled about Rachael Oldfield being in the next room to Maddie and heard no crying.
As we know, this was the night Mrs Fenn reported Maddie crying and Gerry & Kate had to be brought back from Chaplins by a member of MW staff. I am sure this will have been checked out by the PJ, so how could they have been checking on their children every 25/30 mins as CM has now stated?
When asked why they left their children again the next night CM replies "that is one interpretation" what other interpretation is there? none in my mind, other than abandonment.
Assassin as I am not religious I do not sing off any hymn sheet. I am my own person with my own views. I do not know what happened to Madeleine and never have accused her parents of anything other than being crap
Postcard for Gina:_
Dear Gina,
Whoever leaked the leak (!), the McCanns are making the best of it by using it to show that Madeleine was alive on the 3rd, since there has been much speculation about crying and shouting the night of the 2nd.
Having a lovely time,
Wish you were here!
X LGC
Hear, hear Gina!
Gina,
Imo the pj are not lazy and useless, this is only what the McCanns would wish people to believe. They lay the foundations for a court hearing where they will infer this as part of their defence.
Leaks on both sides. The Mcs of course are trying to sway public opinion into believing they are innocent of manslaughter and/or child neglect. The pj are playing a game of cat and mouse. I have to say yesterday’s leak was wonderfully timed to place a spoke in the wheels of this sanctimonious pair.
Gina
Mopolita said she left the answer to your question on her post card from Mexico, she said her bleach no good smells like iss...., it seems she agrees with you on that one, she said they found local shop bought bleach, smells lovely, you know the one expensive one, up to the nose fresh as a rose kind, or was it sea breeze?
Assassin,
So now you are going to use another of your children as a pawn in your weird internet mind games.
well I am going to beat you to it and get one of my teenagers to make a post here for you to read.
LGC and others,
Do you really believe that Madeleine wasn't alive on May 3?
Personally I think it would take too much of dare and luck to pull a stunt like that off. IMO, if the McCanns are guilty of anything more than neglect, they would have had to keep the plot a lot simpler for it to work.
LGC Greetings from Spain.
Quiz part 2: I read on here that the pros are trying to ruin the tourist industry in Portugal: Can anybody explain to me the purpose of hitting at their own. By that I mean many hotels, rental apartment and holiday complexes are British owned and the Portuguese businesses only pick up revenue out of the off spin. Trying to bring down businesses just because the McCanns are alledgely not being treated fairly, where is the fairness for the Brit. business owners. (silly question, as if they will suceed, I bet their posters who live in Portugal and not intended moving out)
Wizard have to agree and beautifully put! In one sense I felt great anger and sadness (at their admitted treatment of their own children) and in another great delight (that their revolting little scheme was blown and they looked closer than ever to court)
"have to say yesterday’s leak was wonderfully timed to place a spoke in the wheels of this sanctimonious pair." Wizard
Assassin,
Your recollection of how we (most of us) came to be posting together on here is obviously a little sketchy...
Most of us started posting on the DE in order to debate the case with others, whatever their position.
We were not "cowardly", we tried to converse with the 'Pros', but they were constantly abusive towards us, cloned us, complained to the moderators about us continually and so on.
Most of us continued to engage with the others, despite the difficulties involved. For months and months.
However, we NEVER got a reasonable answer from anyone who believes Madeleine to have been abducted as to how they have come to this conclusion.
Let alone how an abductor managed not to leave any DNA or footprints or any trace of themselves whatsoever.
If you want to see things so they match what you want to believe, Assassin (not a very engaging name, it has to be said), so be it. But you can't come on here - having laid into us for months on the DE for having a different opinion from you - and accuse us of hiding!
Tell me now, then - what convinces you the McCanns are innocent???
Well done all, I am getting all my questions answered quickly (guess that is because you are all co-operating with the questioning.
Next question: (remember I am not sure if M was abducted or not.
Can anybody explain to me how 2 people can go out to dinner knowing their child is dead and then keep this high profile up for so long.
Next question: With so much fund money why did they hire such a crap outfit of private investigators.
If we keep this up for 10 minutes I will come to some sort of conclusion
Hi Assassin,
I am Doppels daughter and he has asked me if I will write a message to you.
My Dad is the best Dad in the World and when we were younger he never went on the internet at all, he spent all his spare time reading to us and playing games with us.
What I want to know is why did you have all those children and then just spend all day ignoring them.
When I am older and have kids I am going to do what my Mum and Dad did and look after them properly, not ignore them all day like you do.
My Dad says I cannot read your reply because you say really nasty things about people and he does not want me to see anything upsetting so I have got to go now.
Please don't let your little boy use the internet, he is not old enough yet and please read him some stories and play with him sometimes.
Bye, Jessica
Gina,
"Can anybody explain to me how 2 people can go out to dinner knowing their child is dead and then keep this high profile up for so long."
I can't and that is one of the major reasons why I'm on the fence. I honestly can't see myself being able to do anything like that and though I know that some people are really cold, I find it hard to believe that anyone could do something like that - on the spur of the moment. It shouldn't be humanly possible.
I may be proved wrong, but until I am I stick to that opinion.
Swedish Mum,
Yes, I think logistically and from a point of motivation, that Madeleine was not alive by the morning of the 3rd.
Well, they may not have returned from Chaplins until after midnight, but you know what I mean.
There had been continuous crying from Madeleine (and the twins? Why not from them?), the McCanns had presumably been drinking lots, and they had been hauled out of the restaurant by p*ssed off staff.
Given that there was blood splattering, I really think this was the time the awful tradegy happened.
We know that they are daring (that quote about a 'high-risk strategy', along with legal action and all the rest of it), and as for luck, well, you can always hope that you're going to be lucky, but you don't know...and they haven't been that lucky (being made arguidos and so on).
If we imagine that somehow Madeleine did die that night, and that they couldn't pass it off as an accident, what other plot could they come up with?
CM: nobody more than anyone on this planet regrets what happened on the night of May 3rd Kate and Gerry accept that despite all the checks they were doing which actually were more frequent than if they'd employed the baby listening service that was available at the time they know that they got it wrong they made a mistake and boy are they paying the price for that ........
.... the one person to blame for Madeleine's actual disappearance is the person who took her not Gerry and Kate. I know many people disagree with that and they are entitled to their point of view but that is how Kate and Gerry feel and indeed that is how the people surrounding them feels.
So Clarence knows many people disagree but they are entitled to their view!!!
So how come he got the DE HYS shut down and if we are entitled to our views...........
good assassin. she can perhaps respond to my daughter. because my daughter wants to know, why you say her mother abuses and kills other children.
Hi Gina
There are specialist firms of investigators who specialise in criminal investigation and/or missing children. Mr Marco admitted to The Times that he got selected by Gerry McCann because he was the only one who fitted his criteria, that is that he accepted Madeleine had been abducted by a paedophile. He also admitted that he knew nothing at all about paedophiles and had to do some internet research.
Now I would submit, Gerry McCann picked him because he is a dishonest liar who would carry out Gerry's mandering instructions. Had Gerry hired a reputable agency fit for purpose, they would have sussed Gerry out in a few hours!
The brief for Mr Marco and Mr Hogan in UK was to go around finding "witnesses" and "sightings". They were never actually looking for Madeleine were they? They were looking for people like Gran Cooper who would spout any old rubbish if the price was right and even though it did nothing whatsoever to establish the remotest possibility of Madeleine being abducted her her creepy charity collector, who walked on the beach in the rain, two weeks before they even arrived. This was just a witchunt of Michaela and Murat and anyone else who had the audacity to go anywhere near the McCann apartment. A couple of young blond men, how very dare they! What naughty little holidaymakers hanging around and going down some steps and back up again, highly suspicious!
Viv x
TELEGRAM FOR GINA!
Well, if the Pros manage to convince holidaymakers not to go to Portugal, this gives credence to Team McCann's belief that the place is inhabited by rampant paedophiles - because the public believe it - which shores up Kate and Gerry's assertions that Madeleine was taken by an abductor.
:)
Yep Swedish Mum I have the same problem with that one but I also cannot see how anybody managaged to climb out of the window carrying a child and not leave a shred of evidence.
What if, after all this she just wandered out and fell down a hole or something like that. If she was crying the night before, she may have thought I will go look for them this time.
Thanks heavens I have not got to sort this mess out, which is impossible for us all anyway because we have not seen any of the statements or heard witness reports.
Think I will take the dogs out for a walk instead, may see you later
Hiya Doppel would you mind not engaging with Ass any further, it only gives her someone to argue with which she enjoys and makes her feel wanted, which she is not, it just creates an unpleasant atmosphere as she intends. Please do not give her the satisfaction.
Thanks
Viv x
Gina,
I have been telling him to shut up for ages,but alas he never listens to me.:)
xx D
Viv,
How on earth can you not remember every single detail of something so horrific happening in your life.
I myself have had many traumatic situations happening over many years,and can detail them exactly step by step.
I am sure there are scores of people who can say the same.
Do you think Pinky now desert the sinking ship soon.or will he go down with the motley crew?
XX D
LGC,
I read you, I see where you're coming from and I might even see Gerry being able to go through something like that - but Kate?
As I wrote in my post to Gina I'm on the fence and not sure that they are involved - but I do see it as a possibility. After all, some 75-90 % of these events turn out to be "close to home".
Sorry on my last post I should has said This is what Clarence said in another interview on Sky.
Viv,
You are right saying that engaging with them only encourages them because all they are really here for is the attention.
To be honest, even the 5% of my brain that I use to keep her occupied is getting bored with her now, so whatever she does next, I'll respect your wishes and just ignore her.
:-)
Gina,
Re: the McCanns going out to dinner:-
We don't know what state they were in or how much food they ate.
Kate may have been mildy sedated herself.
Faced with the loss of their jobs, reputation, freedom, twins (interesting order, eh?), they might have been driven by adrenalin to pull the abduction thing off well. The rest of their lives depended on it.
And remember - we're not dealing with 'normal' feeling people here; just think how shocked the public is at people who can leave their very small children night after night to go out with their friends. It fills peoplewith such abhorrence because 'normal' people are not wired to behave in this way.
Now, about Metodo 3; for several reasons.
1. Because they are crao investigators...if you've commited a crime, would you want an excellent investigator to find the culprit (you)? No, you'd hire someone who has no expertese in the field.
2. Because M£ is run by very dogy people who will do whatever you ask for money. Things that other reputable agencies wouldn't do, like pay people to act as witnesses, intimidate people and so forth.
3. To launder money for you.
4. To catch paedophiles through their tax returns (sorry, RosiePoirot once wrote this was the reason).
Hiya Dolores
I think the reality is it will not be that simple for them to just say they cannot remember when I think it through because they have already made witness statements and can use those to refresh their memory, they would be put on the spot, did you lie? Do you want to retract your earlier statement, and tell us something different, sorry I am rather tired but this is probably a better answer to my previous one. This is what happens in court proceedings, that is why witness statements need to be taken at an early stage, and then the witness has a clear record of what they remember!
Thanks very much for that Doppel, as you know, I sometimes like to have a rip back, but it is not helpful:-)
Dolores,
If Mr Pink passed any information to the McCann's before he left or was removed from his government job, then if the ship sinks he will be going with it right down to the bottom.
This might explain his determination to save the McCann's necks, he might actually be trying to save his own neck.
Hiya Dolores
I think Clarence is a very stubborn and aggressive man who does not take kindly to losing and having to admit defeat. My guess is he will grimly hang on, I think he really believes he is being helpful to the McCanns and they could not manage without him.
I know that sounds perverse but I honestly think that is his view.
Swedish Mum,
Well, Kate may have been mildy sedated, and indeed she may have broken down so much so that Gerry firmly told her what to do and she didn't have anything left in herself not to comply with him.
There has been much speculation as to her general mental state, anyway...
Doppel,
Excellent point. I heard that it was he who originally alerted the McCanns to the fact that their mobiles were being tapped by the police...
I'm off for a while now, folks.
See you later...
:)
LGC lovely to hear from you again darling.
Catch you later
Viv x
PS Nanday is on my shoulder supervising and says specials hugs and coos to OpuSXXX
See you LGC, always interesting to read you ...
I'm off too,
Have a nice evening all!
(And once again Viv, thanks for letting us share our views here)
Viv,
Although I have 'retired' I sometimes help my friends out and I spent all yesterday and most of last night working on my laptop helping someone meet a deadline.
As a result I only got about 2hrs sleep last night and I have overdosed on tea and coffee.
Well that's my excuse anyway - but it is actually true.
No need to reply - just explaining myself.
:-)
Viv /Doppelganger,
Thank you for that,I to think he is to arrogant to admit defeat.
Viv I don't know where you get the stamina....I am now going to call you wonder woman.You are so determined and dedicated.
xx luv D
See you later Swedishmum
and always a delight to read you:-)
Viv x
LGC,
I think that your comments about events on the 2nd May are probably spot on.
And I think there is probably a lot more to this story that most of us can even imagine.
See you another time
Hiya Dopel
Similar situation, I slept for about an hour or so earlier on!
Am very tired hence not contributing much, certainly not been to be rude, plenty to read.
Viv x
Some of T7 when requestioned now say they can’t remember. The meeting held in November with all of the T9 plus legal team. To say you can no longer remember is a good way of not answering a question. No doubt the McCanns legal team realise that none of the statements made on the night of 3rd May matched up therefore the best defence 11 months later could be that such a long time has passed it is within the bounds of reasonability not to be able to remember. Imo opinion this would have been discussed in November.
This means I think their first statements would remain on file, however, this will not help clarify the prosecutions case against the McCanns and I suppose this is what is being counted on.
lrbzsgi
swedishmum,
Based on Mrs Fenn's account, many believe the event most likely occured on parents return late on evening of 2 May. Choices had to be made, own up and face trial and imprisonment or concoct a cover up.
Kate may have been given medication to help her cope.
Does anyone know if the Portuguese papers are reporting anything about the supposed leaks.
I agree with you Viv re Mitchell, aggressive and stubborn, self opinionated, arrogant to say the least. IMO the truth does not matter a fig to the likes of him, its all about getting your way and winning the PR war, even if it means Madeline's rights and justice are trampled over. It is impossible to debate with his type as he will never concede a point but carry on with some thing else. What now I ask, as I presume the PJ are returning or have returned home? I know the British Police have more waste of time interviews to do for the McCanns.
Wizard,
From your post then, there is it appears probably no breakthrough for the PJ in the interviews? If it is the case that they replied that they could not remember it says a lot for the type of people they are.
It is recognised a witnesses memory will have been better at the time and therefore they are allowed to refresh their memory by referring to their witness statement. I believe the police will have put their earlier statements to them and asked them to confirm or deny them, particularly given we are informed they were subjected to lengthy cross examination or grilling, it really is a little simplistic to say they could just get out of it by saying oh we dont remember now.
I think they would actually have to retract their earlier evidence if they no longer wish to support the McCanns, in other words admit they lied, that would then leave them wide open to a charge of perverting the course of justice. If you take this through to its logical conclusion that must be right, otherwise people could simply avoid such a charge by saying oh sorry I dont remember now. When you give a statement to the police you are signing to say it is accurate and true and understand the consequences of giving false evidence.
Relevant law below:
[edit] Section 139: Use of documents to refresh memory
Section 139 the Act 2003, provides that a witness may refresh his memory from a document made or verified by him at an earlier time. The conditions for refreshing memory are only that the witness states in his oral evidence that the document records his recollection of the matter at that earlier time and that his recollection at that time is likely to have been significantly better at that time than when he is giving his evidence. The provision also applies to a transcript of a sound recording. Sound recording is not defined in this part of the Act. It is submitted that it would apply to the sound recording contained in a video or DVD. There is no requirement that the document was made substantially contemporaneously with the events about which the witness is giving evidence. In view of the practical difficulties associated with memory refreshing in the witness box from an audio or video recording, subsection (2) makes provision for a witness to refresh his memory from a transcript of such a recording.
Section 139 creates a presumption that a witness in criminal proceedings may refresh his memory from a document whilst giving evidence providing that:
he indicates that the document represents his recollection at the time he made it; and
his recollection was likely to be significantly better at the time the document was made (or verified).
The fact that the witness has read the statement before coming into the witness box will not affect this presumption.
Before the witness can use the document, it must be produced for inspection by the court and by the opposing advocate.
Where the witness is cross-examined on those parts of the document which the witness used to refresh his memory, the document does not form part of the evidence in the case.
Where the cross-examiner strays outside those parts of the document that the witness used to refresh his memory, the whole document becomes part of the evidence in the case.
The most commonly encountered memory-refreshing document is a police officer’s notebook. A ‘lay’ witness may also refer to a memory refreshing document including his written statement or for example, a piece of paper on which he noted the description and registration number of a car he saw at the crime scene.
A police notebook, however described, has no different status in law than any other note or account of events compiled by a witness.
A witness giving evidence may be permitted to refresh his memory by reference to any note, concerning the events to which he testifies, made or verified by himself at a time when his memory was clear
As a document setting out the account of a witness’s recollection, the note (or notebook) cannot generally be admitted or adduced in criminal proceedings as evidence of the truth of its contents.
Verbatim reading directly from the written text is wrong, it is not the notebook or document which is evidence but the witness's own oral testimony given from memory refreshed by reference to the notes. "May I refer to my notes" does not mean, "may I read my notes"
Viv,
The trouble is if you drink loads of tea and coffee to keep you going, when you finish you just can't sleep because of all the caffene.
Unfortunately, although my friend is very organised, his employers are not and sometimes he is given impossible deadlines to meet, so I help him out, then I spend the next day or so recovering.
My wife just tellis me that Mrs Thatcher ran the country for 11 years on 4hrs sleep a night and she gets a better nights sleep if I am not disturbing her anyway!
I am also too tired to post really and only came to read so think I'll take a break now.
Keep up the good work!
:-)
It would be mighty suspicious if all 7 Tapas, who were touted as very keen to help, could not recall even after the original statement refreshment. If anything it would convince both the PJ and British police of probable collusion and conspiracy, and give both forces impetus to pursue the case to the end
The Michelin man has just been on tv news,saying they will rise above it.Spanish reporter said he will not reveal his 'source for leak,and no holds barred from uk reporter on Mc's going out regardless of Madeleine asking her Mum why she did not come when they were crying.
I expect it will now be on all 6 0'clock news broadcasts.
How callous are they to ignore this sweet child's worry,of being left alone.
Exactly Joe, this is what this would have been all about, comparing and contrasting what they have said at differing points in time and Tanner was foohardy enough to say more in about November.
It is the fact they have planned together and lied the police are investigating... a criminal conspiracy with a view to assisting offenders and perverting the course of justice. They have to really pin them down on this, to take the case forward and I am sure they have. Liars always change their statements as further facts and problems emerge for them. This is why there have been a number of interviews of this lot over a period of time, when they are analysed a trained investigator can pick up the threads and easily spot obvious lies and story change to coincide with various events. It is complex but this is what the police are about. All the evidence and conduct of this lot will have been put under a microscope including by senior police officers and many qualified lawyers.
Viv x
2345
As you say it is possible something happened on the night of 2nd May.
Gerry showing us a photo of himself and his daughters by the pool. Could easily be a misdirection to indicate that M was alive at 2.30pm on 3/5. Equally Kate saying M was alive on the morning of 3rd May (and dropping herself in it) may also have been a not thought through misdirection. Kate again tells us when she tucked M in that night M said – this was the best day ever. Is this again misdirection?
All these statements/photo appear to suggest M was alive on 3rd May – but was she? No independent sightings of M on 3rd May.
Hello everyone!
Two new articles in thisislondon:
Kate and Gerry McCann have launched a counter-attack against Portuguese police as the row over leaked statements about their daughter's disappearance escalated into a war of words.
Police were warned by the couple's official spokesman that the "gloves are off" after what he claimed was a "cack-handed" smear campaign timed to disrupt a new appeal by the couple in Brussels.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23476750-details/McCanns%20launch%20furious%20counter%20attack%20on%20Portuguese%20police%20after%20'Maddie%20in%20tears'%20leak/article.do
and:
'Tapas Seven demanded private jet and 5-star hotels to return to Portugal for Maddie reconstruction,' Portuguese police claim
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23477327-details/'Tapas+Seven+demanded+private+jet+and+5-star+hotels+to+return+to+Portugal+for+Maddie+reconstruction,'+Portuguese+police+claim/article.do
Hi Viv, thanks for the full explanation of the “I can’t remember now” response to pj questioning.
Hypothetically, if a witness was asked to recount events and said they couldn’t remember exactly now. Their previous statement was read out to them to refresh their memory and they answer “if that is what I said then, it must be so” but can’t add anything because they say they have forgotten although being suspect it doesn’t help the pj any further. Imo this group are a slippery lot and will have something up their sleeve.
Just wondered.
As arguidos Kate and Gerry were not able to discuss anything about the case. So, when they met up with the rest of the tapas in the hotel, plus Clarence, was that breaching their status?
I am sure that is when they discussed their future plan, to get all inconsistencies and possible irregularities to match.
Niki - a private jet and 5 star hotel you have to laugh as this comedy troupe.
Di, precisely – to get their stories straight.
Hi Wizard,
if you are not going to read all the article, I'll paste another quote:
"The demands they all made demonstrate a clear strategy by lawyers. The only thing missing from the list was a request that we send them to the moon on skates."
Have to run
Have a nice evening:)
Niki
Ena,
for God's sake change the record will you.
No one here cares if they 'get into trouble' or not, what they care about is getting justice for Madeleine and finding out the real truth of what happened to her.
Oh and by the way, it is pretty obvious to everyone who you are.
Wizard
Thanks, I was getting a complex, I thought I had been frozen out!!!
:o)
If you are such a newcomer, perhaps you would care to explain your deleted post on Rosiepops site. Did you get your log-ins mixed up and post there by accident? And by the way I KNOW when I am talking to someone I have talked with before.
Can't you get this into your tiny brain - it's so obvious
Anyway I promised Viv I would ignore attention monsters today so I will now do just that - ignore you.
Guerra,
there were only two comments on PT Tv yesterday by portuguese EMPs.
And one of them was political rubbish. I haven't read the news yet but if I find sth on this I'll let you know.
Doppel,
you're right. Better ignore.
I HAVE talked to you before, you can change your ID's but you can't change your personality.
And I am already bored with you, so why don't you repost your deleted message on Rosiepops site, they could do with someone to talk to.
Well,
I heard the PJ is having a meeting with the MP so that measures can be taken.
'ENA'
Shouldn't you be pulling someone's teeth or something - you people are so bloody transparent it's pathetic.
And that is my last word to you here, if you want a debate post on the other site and I will debate with you there, oh but they wouldn't allow that would they?
The truth must not be heard.
Hello, guys!
How are you?
What a great day this was! :-)
Hi Claudia,
Do you know what happened to ENA's posts, did you delete them or did they?
Hi Claudia
I hope it was!!!!
Do tell...
Hi, Doppel.
I never told you but I have magical powers that make idiotic, pathetic posts disappear! :-)
Hello, Di.
Yes, it was. On a personal level and on a general level.
I heard that CM was forced to admit to the world how neglectful his bosses are. :-)
It just makes it look like I was talking to myself - again ;-)
I think it's pretty funny actually, some of them have such defective personalities that anyone with any intelligence can work out who they are almost immediately.
The sad thing is they just don't realise it themselves.
Let me see, who was it who was always saying I am right, you are wrong - now I have proved I am right I am going etc, etc, etc?
Don't say the name, just let them think they have fooled us.
Ha, ha, ha!
Hi, dear Cláudia!
How was your day?
Glad to see you are back here. Like our PJ. I've changed my avatar again. I'm already wonder which one I'll choose next. Hope it will be an optimistic one np, again:-)
Doppel, ;-)
I have to confess that I only read the first one. :-)
I just posted but lost it, somehow! :(
I wanted to say that I am furious about the poor children they left & even more so in the light of today's headlines. How dare Clarrie pass Maddie's anguish off as nothing but a storm in a tea cup and that she was happy again moments later? Clearly she wasn't and they did it AGAIN! Clarrie thinks their honesty is indicative of innocence, how crass? Kate and Gerry are livid that this has come out? Of course they are, it shows them to be worse than we all thought they were! Poor, poor children. They can now stuff their "wholly innocent" rubbish. In my books, the admittance that your daughter, 3 yrs old, asked them where they were when they were crying, makes them wholly guilty, selfish and, well, not very nice people, to put it mildly.
Also, several glasses of wine and a beer before they went out? Did they think themselves silly teens trying to get trashed before a night out in the clubs? I am astonished. Wholly astonished!
Please excuse any duplication of other posts, I haven't had a moment to read back yet.
Dyl xx
Hello, Marga. My day was pretty damn good! :-) Thank you. Hope yours was too. :-)
I haven't heard the news all afternoon but I already knew they were back.
Cláudia,
I need this weekend to rest. look at the typos on my previous post...
BTW do you remember Bestrest? I haven't read anything from him since the DX-
I think the biggest development this week has actually been the announcement that low copy number DNA samples have been cleared for use in criminal investigations in Britain again.
The original suspension had absolutely nothing to do with the technique or the science, it was all to do with a political decision that was taken not to purse the Omagh bombing case in Northern Ireland.
And the original suspension of this technique may actually explain the delays in the questioning in the McCann case.
Hopefully any DNA evidence obtained by the FSS using this technique will now eventually be used to obtain convictions in this case
Doppel, lol! I think i could have a wild stab in the dark as to the ID too & my deductive powers are a bit below par today! ;)
Hello, Marga. Yeah, I understand. I also need to sleep this weekend! :-)
No, I don't think I have.
how does clarence mitchell know that madeleine walked off laughing? was he there?
Doppel, that was also great news! :-)
Of course not, ultraviolet. But they told him. And we all know that they don't lie (cough, cough).
Cláudia,
my day was also pretty ´productive but I'm knackered.
I read sth about Rebelo criticizing him because he hasn't had the courtesy to get in touch with the Mc Canns during his stay in England.And also for not saying anything about the latest leaks.
can you imagine Rebelo and the other inspectors phoning the celebrities(not) greeting them and inviting them for a chat and a 5 o'clock tea?
These people must think the portuguese are a bunch of fools!!
Doppel, yes it was completely to do with the sensitive and tragic issue of Omagh. I find it all very disturbing that the government can manipulate science according to current agenda and public support. I believe very much that science should be put more within the public domain. On the one hand, the Government is complaining that there is not enough intake in this country of science students, particularly chemists and physicists and on the other, they cloak it in mystery and raise it to unobtainable heights to the reasonably educated people.
Take the GMO era. People actually thought that if they ate GMO maize, they would turn into a mutant variant of maize! Also the recent hybrid embryo v the church. IMO, it has less to do with religion and more to do with sound knowledge and the correct information. We always seem to be subject to manipulation under a veil of scientific ignorance. The Independent is publishing a series of science dvds and books next week. I for one think it is a great idea and not a second too soon!
just as an afterthought, was it Rosiepops herself that got it oh so badly wrong about DNA evidence??!
Marga, I also heard that and almost pmsl! I think it was very rude of him. And while at it, Rebelo could have also brought Vinho do porto, chouriças, broa and azeite! :-) (all traditional Portuguese products, guys)!
Cláudia,
LOLOLOLOL
and Galhardetes...
Don't know how to say it in English. Would you help with the translation?
Thanks!
UV,
Clarrie said that the McCanns had told the PJ that Maddie's comment was nothing much, more whimsy than anything, and that she was fine right after it! Well that's ok then isn't it? Must be true if was said in a moment of pure honesty!
how far madeleine walk? 89 steps? just like in the back garden.
Pennants, I think, Marga. Or banners.
I never thought Rebelo could be so rude. I had already bought a dozen Viriatos (traditional pastry from Viseu) for him to give them on my behalf and the bastard refused! lolol
Dylan, they still think she is fine almost one year after she disappeared...
Hello everyone,
Any news on PJ staying or coming back???
Good evening Viv , claudia, marga and all!!!
Claudia if Paulo Rebelo brought all those apetizer and don't forget "carapau alimada" to remenber algarve and tapas,instead of question witenesses they will m
ake a "regabofe" :)))))
Seriously ... i feel confuse with last news...
Evening all
That news about the LCN DNA was so sweet after all the flak I took from the ignorant Wikipedophiles. As sweet as honey dripping from a silver moon on a magical Friday night. To Mark and his nodding dogs, however, it must have felt like buffalo had kicked them in the chest.
Claudia,
Of course she is. Some kind soul, who lives on a VERY secluded island, saw her plight and took her under her wing. I think it might be rich in Incan gold too!
Docmac - lol!
(from a very disappointed Arsenal fan!)
the tapas-7 like to drink almond liquor, the pj should have taken some of that too.
Hi Dyl
Next year, have patience. I need another egg cup for a full set :-)
Dylan,
Could be that was what was delaying progress in this case. The original doubts about the technique were just an unintended consequence of a political decision that was nothing to do with the science at all.
Mandarinn, Cláudia and all,
if it wasn't about a little innocent girl that is probably dead, it would be hillarious.
Do they really don't know no one believes in what they say?
Does that man who is their PR
really exist?
Aren't the British people sick of their tricks?
Do the British people compare this case with Shannon's?
Haha! Did you enjoy yourself? Must have been quite a shock to step off of the plane and experience our Baltic "spring"? Brrrr!
Had some quite spectacular hail storms today. Small recompense for the cold!
Docmac,
Lon time no speak.
A while ago someone posted here called ENA Guardian who claimed to be a new poster but talked to me like an 'old friend'. Kept saying they wer right and I was wrong, as in - you are wrong again Doppelganger, now I wonder who that could have been.
Ha, ha, ha.
Great news about LCN DNA, I know it is a bit too soon to hope the case will now be cracked, but I am far more hopeful than I was a few weeks ago.
Hello, Mandarinn! :-)
Marga, any thinking being can see through their pathetic excuses regardless of nationalities!
Claudia,
You just reminded me about when Rosiepops thought Portugal was an island in the Pacific ocean.
That was why they all originally thought Madeleine had been 'abducted' by boat.
Marga, the majority of us brits are well and truly sick of Clarrie and his monkey brigade. I certainly do not believe a single word he says. How can I? He is being paid to say it and doing a rubbish job too IMO.
Doppel, entirely agree. It is about time that science is made less taboo and more accessible. That way it is fairer and harnesses a better standard of informed public opinion. Rosiepops is the glowing example of where we fall short on this matter!!! Excuse me whilst I try to "fake" my DNA for a mo......!!! :)))
Marga.
, it is so clear they have to kinds of justice: for poor : Shanon 's mother
for midle class doctors (da treta :)))) :madd's mother, I think the same as you , how dare politicians and millionairs, and whatever... intterfere in a criminal case about a small child... it is really sad
IT SEEMs THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS NOT THE SWEET CHILD BUT THEIR PARENTS WHOSE let her fall reputation. sorry the mistakes
Doppel, that was just one of the dozens of lies that creature told. In fact, to be honest that was not even a lie. That was a result of her thick permanent state.
Dylan,
Had a ball, lterally :-). The weather was not too bad, actually. Similar to a very cold Cape night, but clear mostly.
Hi Doppelganger,
I think we have a mutual friend!
any news about forensic prooves?
Cláudia,
how right you are.
off now for dinner. No, today I'm going to have fish ..LOL
It was a high caloric dinner yesterday.
I undersatnd why you hate leitão. You have to drink champagne :-)
See you later.
Bye!
Have a good dinner, Marga.
I hate leitão because I'm extremely picky with food. :-)
Mandarinn, I haven't heard anything. But I was away for a long time today.
Docmac,
I think we do ;-)
I have now decided to call them Ena Sharples - but obvioulsy that won't mean anything to younger, or non British posters.
Glad to see you survived all the attacks. To be honest, I think it's a badge of honour really. They wouldn't hate us if we weren't close to the truth.
clarence mitchell is disgusting. i watched his interview on sky today, he was all,
madeleine did this; madeleine said that; this happened; that happened; it was like this, not like that; and so on.
but he cannot know this for the truth, because he was not there. it is hear-say. he is only repeating what the mccann have told him to say.
i have not decided, whether he really believes this, or whether he will just say what he is told, because he is drawing a salary.
in both cases, he cannot make these statements, then say, anyone who does not agree with me is a liar. this is just not on.
Dylan, Doppel at the moment here and all the other ones defending Maddie,
It is really touching the way/ time you spend in a blog debating on this weird case.
2345, (dois tres quatro de Oliveira Cinco) I really respect your posts.
Viv, thanks for your hospitality.
Hope and LGC thanks for the tipp. maple syrup is being appreciated..
Gina, Miss your tipps on how turning chores easier...
Abraço
Ultraviolet,
If it is true that he passed on details of the police investigation to the McCann's, they what he is actually doing is trying to save his own neck
2345,
I agree with your theory and your persistence with reminding of the evidence. There has been a lot of smoke screen since we have heard it first, but it is only what matters. Madeleine "probably"(for legal reasons) is dead since 2d of May by the hands of her parents, who are "probably"(for the legal reasons) the most evil people yet.
Latest news,
The PJ don't negotiate.
Nothing new after the interrogation.
Docmac, glad you enjoyed your time here!
UV - Clarrie IS disgusting!
Have to go now as my friend is here with a bottle of wine. We are hoping to down that and then move on to the vodka before we sneak in a bottle of malibu into a nightclub in my handbag. Just hoping that the kids will put themselves to bed and not disturb me when I get in and fall over drunk!!!!
See you later, (actually going to watch a bit of telly and have a chat!)
Dyl xx
what a surprise.
the sky anchorwoman, she said to him, that it was very bad pr. he swelled up with anger and could not find the words, it made me think of a bull frog actually.
he should never be able to work on the tv ever again. everyone i speak to, is sick of his arrogance and lies. i do not think anyone would wish to employ him after this.
Sorry Doppelganger,
I was otherwise occupied, sticking pins in my Heather Mills doll. Ena Sharples, lol! LGC will enjoy that one. To be honest, I am well pleased we don't get Corrie here. Apologies to all the devotees!
Incidentally, has anyone got any news as to whether Matt Oldfield was interviewed by the police this week?
Hello Marga, thank you. Always a pleasure reading you.
Really, have to go now and may read you all later. x
NOOOOOOO, Marga!!
Please, not the maple syrup and lemon diet, it's dangerous! Take 200ml per day if you have to, but no more than that.
maple syrup diet? but maple syrup is nothing but sugar? i never heard of this diet before. although i had some maple-syrup wine once.
Docmac,
OOh careful - you sound like a real doctor LOL.
:-)
Doppel,
I overheard it on my shift. Those doctors can't keep their mouths shut ;-)
Ultraviolet,
Maple syrup wine? I hope it wasn't as awful as it sounds.
Going to take a shower while it's quiet. BBL
it was very clear and dry wine. one can buy a similar wine here, it is made from silver-birch sap. it is really very nice.
Docmac /Marga,
I am not an expert on diets,as I am very fortunate never to need to go on one,if I did I would always eat the food I like but not so much of it,why deprive yourself only to gorge on it later.
I eat mostly Italian food always followed by green salad,very rarely deserts,and plenty of fresh fruit every day instead.And don't eat between meals.
Friendly advice.:-)
xx D
Viv -
Thanks for that long and explanatory post - you've really explained it well!
We just have to see what the next week or so brings of course! I just wish I was a fly on the wall!!
It's so frustrating not knowing what's going on!
I'll have a glass of stout and make sure it's in a clean glass this time (sorry, Ena Sharples just took me over there),
Marga,
I don't do the maple syrup 'diet', I drink the concoction because it soothes my stomach when I have an attack of something painful.
How are you finding the drink?
Swedish Mum -
Sorry to burst your bubble Swedish Mum - I'm a bit past the stage of getting interest shown to me these days other than my translating skills which I help ex-pats with here! I have lots of good friends and a great family though and that's what counts eh!!
Docmac,
Seen this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7340288.stm
Hi Dolores -
It's nice to see you too!
You must be Spanish with a name like Dolores - am I right?
Nancy
Nancy,
Hi, hope you are well, My father loved the name Dolores but all my family mother father going back generations are Italian ,as is my husband family.
Looks wise I could be taken for Mediteranian or Latin nationality.
XX D
Was just reading the other blog and as usual they were slagging people off, so I 'persuaded them' to block access to their site.
The amusing thing is, they think they have 'won' because I can't access their site, but no one apart from them can access it now either - which was the object of the exercise.
They are not going to get many posts now are they?
Well, as I know they constantly read this site here is a message for them.
You can de-restrict your site, because no one is remotely interested what you get up to there and I have better things to do with my time.
End of message.
:-)
Hi LGC
Thanks for the link. In fact, survival rates have been pretty stable since the very early '90s when the last major breakthrough was the advent of artificial surfactant, the substance that lends elasticity to the lungs and which is lacking in prems. As the article says, other factors unfortunately come into play in the very premature babies. Even if they survive those, they have the damn superbugs to contend with. NIMBY yet thank goodness (crosses fingers).
Docmac,
How long does it take for new 'inventions' to get taken up by other countries? Presumably they have to be endorsed by medical councils and the like?
Have you seen Clarrienation Street today (aka the interview he did for Sky earlier today)?; I love his answer to the question put to him about the McCanns leaving the kids alone again, even though Madeleine had chastised them: "That's one interpretation of it".
Wonder what the other interpretations are?
Oh, and his outrage at K&G being questioned as to their suitability as parents.
Even I don't write jokes that funny.
docmac said...
NOOOOOOO, Marga!!
Please, not the maple syrup and lemon diet, it's dangerous! Take 200ml per day if you have to, but no more than that.
Friday, 11 April 2008 20:43:00 o'clock BST
_______________
Thanks for the advice.
I'm not dieting.
The maple syrup is sth I think I can drink to get rid of toxins.
It was not known in PT until very recently and I was curious when Hope and LGC referred to it .
Hi Dolores
Can you speak Italian?
I bet you can cook up a great spaghetti bolognese and lasagne!!
Yes, Dolores is a pretty name -
Is there an Italian equivalent to the name?
I'm getting a tad eye weary now reading all the posts - so might call it a day!
See you all tomorrow!
See you all tomorrow.
Really tired.
God bless you all.
The truth sets you free (John , xx)
Abraços(hugs)
LGC
Nowadays new life-saving drugs are adopted pretty quickly worldwide. Recently a new drug was universally approved even in the early stages of clinical research when it became apparent that it was a major breakthrough in cancer treatment. All have to be rubber stamped by the relevant medicines control council (FDA equivalent).
Marga
As I told Hope, that concoction has been shown clinically to increase toxins in the body by adversely affecting the metabolism of the kidneys and the liver. Detox diets and the horrible procedures that sometimes accompany them are, frankly, hogwash.
Off for a bit again. TTFN
Just one last thought before I leave and that is if the Tapas 9 account of what happened is to be believed, the probability of two heartbreaking things happening over two days to Madeleine is highly unlikely in my opinion! She would have to be the unluckiest little girl in the world!
Madeleine was deserted by her parents while they went out for drinks over a period of days, and this little girl must have felt devastated that they didn't come when she and the twins cried for them.
That was bad enough but then an abductor managed to get into her bedroom and take her away even though there were checks being made all evening.
If that is not a huge coincidence I don't know what is! Poor Madeleine hit with a double whammy over a couple of days!!
And they say lightening doesn't strike twice!!
I certainly think the likelihood of an abduction taking place is definitely NIL!!
Good night everyone!
Marga you wanted a cleaning tip
Here is one for people who hate cleaning the bath. After you have taken a bath, leave the water in it and add some washing powder, add some more hot water and swish it around. Leave as long as possible, pull out plug, rinse it around and wipe dry - Clean bath, no hard work
Rosiepops,
You can really de-restrict your site this time because I am really, really bored with you now.
Enjoy yourselves while you can, low copy DNA has been reinstated and the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance is now proceeding once again.
Gina,
Do you know the programme How Clean Is Your House? where two wonderfully eccentric women visit disgusting homes and show the inhabitants how to clean everything - it's very successful with spin-off books and the like. Loads of tips like washing out the inside of your dishwasher with hamster droppings (Possibly I've got that wrong).
You could do the same for Spain!
(I'm in total admiration of you, btw...I barely know which end of the broom is up. Or down).
:)
Well, I'm very tired so am off to bed.
Have a good evening, folks.
See you tomorrow.
X
Hi LGC, yes I did see the programme once. I don't think it would go down well here in Spain, they use something that takes the skin off your fingers to clean everything. I get more practice than you with a broom, I also use mine to fly down to the supermarket:-)
Think Marga's gone??
Hey, Doppel, I understand you did Humankind a huge favour! :-)
Witchy Gina,
Yes, I think Marga went. Or at least, that's one interpretation of it (do you think CM will sue me for using his new catchphrase?).
I hear they have very good stuff in Portugal for cleaning the curtains.
Night night, Gina. Don't wash your black cat too much or she'll fade to grey...
Hi Claudia, I have just finished sending all my emails and was just off to bed, and you popped up. What on earth is going on today I cannot get my head around it. Why on earth that Spanish reporter, who supposedly thinks the McCanns are innocent leaked information that paints them black is beyond me. The McCanns are furious about is, the PJ have gone home and not and not bothered to talk to them (shame), Clarence is in a fizz and is now making bad remarks about the PJ (not a good move at this stage of the proceeding IMO, but he knows best), sooooo what is the latest from Portugal, what is their take on all this, and has there been any comment from the PJ re where the case is going from now.
Sleep tight LGC love from Harry Potters Mum
Gina, to be honest, in Portugal people are fed up with the mugs of the wonder couple and couldn't care less (generally speaking). As for the news, nothing much (although I've been away almost all day). They reported that the PJ officers are back, that the PJ does not negotiate with arguidos (obviously) and that some of the tapas demanded 5 star hotels and accomodation for family members in order to accept returning for the reconstruction (another holiday for free, as I see it). Very little importance was given to the 'leak', but it was mentioned in some newspapers. Even less importance was given to CM's fit. He is seen as a bit of a clown here (no offence to the real professional clowns who bring a lot of happiness to our children).
viv claudia whoever....new post on this blog..latest news of the mccanns also
http://mccanns-ihavesomethingtosay.blogspot.com/
Thanks, Speak your mind.
Claudia,
After what happened the other night and with Assassin today, I lost my rag with them.
I just pointed out to them that the only reason they get away with slagging us off all the time is because we are all actually very reasonable people.
All the loonies are on their side of the argument. If any of us was like Assassin they would have had to shut their site down by now.
I think they may have got the message, but who knows.
Got to go now
See you all another time.
:-)
Thanks Claudia, I haven't watched the news much today either. I am sick to death of seeing and hearing about them also, but I have always said too much publicity is a dangerous game to play. You win some and you loose some. Guess we will have to wait and see who wins now "the gloves are off" as Clarence put it. Not everybody punches on the chin and if he rubs too many people up the wrong way they might just get a blow below the belt - I think it is called a neglect charge punch.
Off to bed now, TTFN :-)
Doppel, they are lucky because the huge majority of us would never lower ourselves to their sewer level and post there.
Sleep tight.
xxxx
Gina, I know who lost the most: Madeleine did. She paid the ultimate price, her life.
Sleep well, neighbour.
xxxx
claudia with all your knowlege of facts on this and the latest theory that it the mccanns smearing selves to have excuse not to return, what do you think? and are you still confident they will face justice?
Hello,
somebody on A3 said that his sources close to Methodo3 confermed that leak is from McCanns.
My take is that PJ have more in their sleve that anyone know. They have outsmarted McCanns so far yet. And will in future, even if UK gov. will interfre. Their advantage is they know whome they are dealing with and they have crds on their hands. Sorry for poor English.
I am confident they will face some kind of justice, whatever it is. The Universe has a funny way to balance things, Speak your mind. And they do have to live in this planet, if you know what I mean.
As for the 'leak', well, I can only say that arguidos have access to a copy of their testemonies to the police. Whoever 'leaked' it, I hope they will leak everything rotten about that group, bit by bit. And I hope that when they think that nothing else can be said they will be hit by the tsunami I know is coming soon.
As for my knowledge of the facts, as you say it, I don't know any more about what happened that night than you do, although i have my opinions, of course. I may know other things but just because I live where I live and know the people I know. That's all.
Irina, as for the 'leak' I think it is a strong possibility.
So are the McCanns about to get away with not helping in the reconstruction and worse still not face any judicial proceedings...yes claudia..i think you refer to karma!!
I never believed they would return. Too coward to do it. But asking them was brilliant on the PJ. If they came it would be hilarious to do a reconstruction with so many inconsistencies and versions and they would be shown for what they are. If they don't come (which I always believed and which I suspect the PJ knew all along), then the world will see how willing they are to help the police find out what happened. The world has heard and seen them say they would come back AS SOON AS requested by the authorities. The world will see them refuse. The world will draw conclusions. Once again.
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