22 Apr 2008

MCCANN STATEMENTS LEAKED BY M3, NOT PJ!

Hi All

I though today I would have a look at how the latest McCann campaign (forgive me) is being played out.

Firstly, as the article below confirms the statements that were leaked of both Kate and Gerry McCann were actually those given to their private investigators, Metado 3. It has been categorically confirmed they were not police statements from the official investigation.

So, the reality is quite shocking. On the very same day the McCanns headed to Brussels they also cynically leaked statements themselves in an attempt to discredit the PJ so they would have an excuse to avoid the reconstruction they had been asked to attend as the PJ's were arriving in UK to further investigate their fellow conspirators.

Is this what they call desperately seeking Madeleine and co-operating with the Police? Just like the lie detector test, we hear how they will co-operate but when they get the chance to do so, they run a mile (next Easyjet flight please and an immediate home visit from a very expensive extradition lawyer). There is no question here of an innocent couple wanting to clear their name either, is there?

Emphasis is very much being placed on Kate in all the latest spin. Why could this be? Two thoughts spring to mind, the most obvious being if it is clearly put into the public domain that Kate herself is being treated harshly and unfairly by the PJ, it is calculated this is far more likely to engender public sympathy than Gerry McCann.

Dumb Clarence Mitchell, on behalf of the increasingly desperate Kate and Gerry seriously believes he has come up with another cunning plan. First, they leak a statement where Kate is openly admitting serious negligence, then we are told this is what she will be prosecuted for. Clarence must believe we are just a load of old sponges. When leaking the statement of course it opens up the way again for an "abduction" and of course the leaker, very conveniently located, in Spain, tells us this " proves they are innocent". In short more of what they have been trying to tell us from day one. Yes we neglected our children and that is why Madeleine got abducted..

It has probably been cynically accepted the public like Gerry less still. At the same time as the leaked statements, we were also told by "friends" how "emotionally fragile" Kate is. She is unwell, she in vulnerable, why are the wicked PJ just picking on her? This, I believe, is the impression they seek to give. The other possibility of course is that Gerry, ever the manipulator, seeks to distance himself still further from accepting any personal responsibility.

Kate joins this circus and allows herself to be used, is she really so weak and fragile? Why does she not just do the decent thing, go to the police and tell the truth? Does she really care what the public think about her? It would seem not, the only thing she cares about is trying to avoid prosecution.

Continuing with the let's get sympathy for Kate theme, in the most lying rag, I think that graces the Sunday press in UK, and featured on Rosie's blog, although just for a change admitting it came from "The People", (because he/she has learned I would point that out!) on Sunday 20 April, tell us the perverse tale that PJ have no evidence to proceed with more serious charges and are therefore set to prosecute Kate, alone, for child neglect/abandonment (we lost but we will get them for something).

Not only is it too late for the PJ to prosecute her for this, there being a 6 month period when they must bring charges, and let's face it, they were not lacking in evidence, why on earth would they just prosecute Kate? From a legal point of view this is utterly perverse, both parents took the decision to keep walking out the door and leaving those children. Then of course, what of the remaining TAPAS who did just the same? The truth is from a legal point of view, the PJ had to investigate the whole case and then bring appropriate charges at the end of that process. There is no way, in law, they could have just prosecuted them for negligence and then proceeded to prosecute again for something far more serious arising from that negligence e.g. sedating their children so they could go out and leave them. If that is what happened, that is not neglect it is manslaughter or maybe even murder.

This same story, that Kate is to be prosecuted for neglect/child endangerment is then repeated in 24 Horas, a Portuguese newspaper, but one, as I have often reported clearly linked to American media, and often printing the rubbish that Clarence Mitchell gives them to print, in fairness, among other things.

What utter rubbish! Madeleine was not just neglected, she died, the parents are responsible for that and wickedly disposing of her body and that is what they are being investigated for and what they will be charged with. Quite posssibly also, very serious fraud.

I am sure we all recall, Detective Superintendent Prior of Leicestershire Police actually specialises in fraud. What is more, within about 10 days of Madeleine going missing the UK Serious Organised Crime Agency were called in by Portuguese Police to assist in the investigation. Senior UK detectives also immediately flew out to Portugal and have been involved ever since.

So much for Portugal, apparently, not asking for help! They have always wanted our help, and it has always been given. That is only natural when it is two British subjects, not without considerable means and intellect who even at that early stage it was obviously quite apparent, may well be involved in the disappearance of their own little child.

Remember the ridiculous lies they immediately told to the two Portuguese GNR officers who were first at the scene. They were utterly bemused to be told that a "predator" (pick the most sinister sounding word Gerry) had damaged the shutters, jemmied the window and stolen Madeleine. The reasons for their bemusement being quite obvious, absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any such break in. Silly Gerry had been glued to his mobile for two hours, telling all his friends and family just the same thing and of course Philomena gave Sky News a scoop for which they have always demonstrated their gratitude.

It is high time Kate and Gerry McCann stopped their sickening campaign and faced the reality of their situation. Sensible people the world over are not convinced by their self-serving propaganda or the "evidence" of their friends.

Jane Tanner, has simply made herself a laughing stock with her constanly changing bizarre tales. Initially describing a man of the same age, height and build and even clothing of Gerry McCann himself. Very interesting indeed. We have seen the pic of Gerry sitting on a sofa giving one of their many interviews wearing that dark jacket and beige trousers, but of course in later accounts he not only changed direction to head directly for Robert Murat's villa, he later even developed a face and grew long hair, he became a bizarre looking swarthy Moroccan with huge teeth, but immediately after the event, she could not put a face to this mystery predator. You could not make this stuff up unless your name was Jane Tanner and someone was pulling your strings who maybe knew some witness spotted him.

As we were recently reliably told from Portugal, justice will soon bring its results, no matter who it hurts.

We know that and I would just say one thing to Clarence Mitchell, Kate and Gerry McCann, they gave you the rope, you used it. We find your conduct repulsive. If PJ do actually sue Clarence Mitchell, it just serves him right and the Daily Mail too, who ran the most sickening story, also on Sunday 20 April.

Finally, it has been reported Robert Murat may get about £2M in libel damages from UK press who have joined the sickening campaign against him and the Portuguese Police. Good luck to you Robert and decent people in the UK understand what you have been through and think you deserve every penny. If the press want to print false propaganda then there is clearly a price to pay for that.

Viv x


PJ of Portimão takes legal action against McCann’s spokesmanControversy: Kate's statement to detectivesThe declarations of Kate McCann remembering a conversation with her daughter Maddie, on the day in which she disappeared, on the fact that in the previous night Kate left the girl crying in the bedroom are not in the official process secured by the Judiciary Police, established the CM. They were reproduced by the Spanish TV channel Telecinco, the journalist Nacho Abad says to have proofs that they are true - but in fact, they are accounts given by Kate to private detectives.The process continues in secrecy of justice, but, 'on the day that the process is opened to the public, it will be easy to prove that those declarations are not there ', said a source close to the investigations. Therefore, this leak of information could never have appeared from inside the Judiciary Police.'On the day in which this situation is clarified accurately ', Clarence Mitchell will be the target of a process for the damages caused against the image of the elements of the Department of Criminal Investigation of Portimão, after they had been 'unfairly accused' by the McCann’s spokesman of passing informations that are part of the process to the Media.Besides, the British police also know that Kate's declarations, about her difficult relationship with the daughter, are not in the process. When the Spanish TV channel reproduced them a PJ’s team was in Leicester, in the period in which the McCann’s friends were heard, and the English authorities confirmed to be Kate's account to the private investigators. It is a company that worked for the couple before the Metódo3 agency and, in the end, they printed a report where these sentences are in. According to our sources, only three parts kept copies of these documents: the company, the McCanns and the British authorities.The problems with the international press do not end here, yesterday, it was the Telegraph turn to advance 'declarations' from Guilhermino Encarnação, where after a meeting with the Public Prosecutor, he would have said that ‘The investigation will bring its results, whoever they hurt', a source close to the responsible of the Faro's PJ guarantees to the CM that none of this is true.DETAILSASFIC SUPPORTS PROCESSContacted by the 'CM', the president of the Criminal Investigation Officers' Union, Carlos Anjos, guarantees to be available for the whole legal support that the investigators of Portimão need if they understand to sue the McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell, McCann, for damages against the image of the department.RE-ENACTMENTCarlos Anjos believes that the controversy created around Kate's declarations, with accusations to the PJ for the eventual leak of information which damages the couple credibility, 'is nothing more than a stratagem in order that they do not have to collaborate with the Portuguese justice'. In question there is a re-enactment of the crime, requested by the PJ but that, according to the couple’s spokesman, will only happen if they stop being arguidos.Source: Correio da Manhã

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irina said...

Hello everyone.

An interesting thing is as well - why they gave different statements to their private investigators and to the PJ?
Probably, they felt a need to cover themselves after some helpful liaison officer leaked to them ms Fenn statement?
The other fact of interest is - they employed straight away a PI agency for not to find Madeleine, but to get their statements (different from that they gave to PJ) on record. To argue that PJ misinterpreted?

LittleGreyCell said...

Morning Viv (albeit, some hours in the morning after you posted this new thread!),

I imagine that it has sunk into the McCanns heads that they are not going to reach the end of this (these) investigation (s) without being charged with something. So they are now trying to push their culpabililty for the least damaging crime, which would be neglect.

This is obviously far more preferable than standing in court facing charges of manslaughter/murder, conspiracy of and perverting the course of justice, wasting police time, obtaining funds by deception and obstruction and whatever else might be levelled against them.

It would appear that Jane Tanner has been seriously manipulated. Obviously, she is trying to save her own skin, but your point about her being a laughing stock is spot on; by trying to accommodate whoever is leaning on her, she is digging her own position in yet further.

Once again, I'm interested in the motivation here. Why hasn't she by now - when plainly, nobody believes a word she says - called time and taken the consequences of what she IS culpable for and saved herself from even more serious charges??

Motivation, motivation, motivation. (That's a theatrical background for you).

I still believe there's much more to come out of this story...

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Excellent post, the Mccanns by leaking this information via Metado3 are revealing how corrupt and scheming they are, particularly as they had not given this information to the Police but to their private detectives, therefore the Police could not have leaked it. In doing so when they did they clearly sought to damge the reputation of the Police,unfortunately for them though the truth is obvious...Lizzy

Di said...

Good morning Viv and all

Another well written article.

I remember the last time we were told Kate was emotionally fragile, her mother spoke out and said she was extremely strong inside. So which is it.

It would appear now the police have copies of their bank statements and are questioning certain payments. It is from sos Maddie I don't know how to translate so sorry could not copy the article, perhaps someone else could do it for me.



http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10289

Niki said...

Amen to your article Viv!

Have been reading back, and Guerra suspected M3 for the leak 11.April. Guerra where are you?!?

LGC, Di, Lizzy good morning:)
I still belive that "the pact" of the tapas 9 has to do with something as destroying for their reputation and work as drugs or medication...

Niki

Niki said...

Sorry Irina!! Missed out your name!!! Good morning:))))
Niki

librarising said...

Morning all. Further to my post on the last page about IP addresses and someone's attempt to scare Bianca, I note that the service I mentioned, www.statcounter.com, offer a specific guide on how to install their code and use their free service on Blogspot pages like this one, Bianca's, Sassy's, etc. It is very easy to do, but as I said yesterday, IP addresses can't be traced to geographical locations except possibly by police investigations, so whilst you can throw a scare into someone by claiming to have 'traced' them after they visited your site, the information provided is of no use to individuals looking for your actual location or name.

The threatening manner of those who act in this way reveals their ulterior motives. They want to shut people up who are saying things inconvenient to them. Either they have a personal involvement in the matters under discussion here, or they are paid to bully in this way. Nothing to be afraid of.

atardi said...

Good morning Viv,

Excellent article.

I wonder why we haven't heard nothing about CM. He didn't give any interview last week.

Don't know if he still wants to know the truth about the leak.

LGC, good morning also.

Your 2nd and 3rth paragraph. Spot on! They prefer neglect than the truth.

atardi said...

Goedemorgen Niki,and all.



Good to see you're posting again on Viv's site.

Have a nice day.

atardi said...

Ecolab,

Yesterday I had some internet problems.

I made 2 posts to you and both got lost.

I'll keep it short now. Good posts from you yesterday.

Niki said...

There you are Atardi:) Good morning to you too!

I'm glad to see this blog is back to normal, and even better! No interuptions of anon.posters:)

A lot of brilliant posts last night!

Niki

atardi said...

Hi Niki,

Good to "see" you.

You are right. No need to scroll down through anon's posts.

I'm reading back because I had some internet problems last night.

Leigh3 "our" friend was in form again!

Niki said...

Atardi, CM has not been quiet according to 24horas 22/4

sorry for the poor translation:
SPOKESMAN Of the MCCANN SURPRISED AT the HYPOTHESIS OF the COUPLE TO BE ACCUSED WITH NEGLECT
Maddie's Parents are furious with accusations of PJ
The McCanns are furious. The parents of Maddie do not understand why only now the Public prosecutor, such as it was notified on the 24horas yesterday, assumes that there are proves that can condemn them to ten years of arrest for exposition and neglect. The formal accusation will have to happen in July, assuming that Maddie have died accidentaly in the apartment and that her body will have been later occulted. Besides, the authorities believe that Gerry and Kate had left the girl exposed to a sequestration situation, such as the twins, when they abandoned them in the apartment while they dined with friends in the night of the disappearance. "we do not go to comment on this subject because we did not receive any official information from the Portuguese authorities", said yesterday to 24horas Clarence Mitchell. The spokesman of the McCann family said that Gerry and Kate had been "surprised" when they had taken knowledge of the possible accusation. "They found it strange that only now this subject has been become public. Why this have not been said some months ago? ", Clarence Mitchell questioned, who did not prolongated longer.

Susanti translated this for 3A, she is not online at the moment, so could not ask her if it was ok to copy...
Have noticed that our portugese friends don't find 24horas an reliable source, but only news today...
Niki

atardi said...

Niki,

Thank god we have portuguese friends posting here so they can tell us about their papers.

24 horas is not reliable. Someone here posted that it is related to Daily Mail. And they had the same story.

Look carefully at the next sentence:
SPOKESMAN Of the MCCANN SURPRISED AT the HYPOTHESIS OF the COUPLE TO BE ACCUSED WITH NEGLECT

And remember what Alsabella said about the period of six months!

I think it's more spinning.

And LGC's 2th and 3rth paragraph is a possible explanation for the spinning.

Zodiac said...

Good morning all,

Excellent article Viv. I did not know the DS from Leciestershire specialises in fraud. If there is any truth about persoanl accounts being investigated, I hope this extends to all connected with the Fund. IMHO, helps me understand why Esther possibly jumped ship.

Joe said...

So there are different statements floating about, all depending on who/whom they were related to. Surprise, surprise. The Tapas 9 certainly did not want the Metodo 3 getting to the truth as their brief was to cause confusion and disinformation. Hired because THEY HAD NO EXPERIENCE in finding missing children. Mitchell put his pink foot in it by claiming that the leaked statement was from the PJ, when it appears it was Metodo 3. Is that something the McCanns forgot to tell him? It also shows that he does not know what the official statements say. Is he being played for a patsy?

LittleGreyCell said...

Good morning Niki and Atardi!

Sorry for the delay in saying hello but I've only just got back to my computer.

I should think now it has been stated that the Tapas funds are being investigated (£4,7647 a week for chorizo, £1,786 a week for potatoes...), there will be a few more stories about K&G being outraged at impending charges for neglect in order to deflect away from the more worrying financial investigations. "Oo, look over there!"

They must be the very first victims of an abduction to be so thoroughly probed in every aspect of their lives. Kind of gives being a victim a bad name.

I think something was a bit squiffy with Google yesterday - lots of people (including myself) had problems with posting.

x

LittleGreyCell said...

Anyone think it's a little odd that ST's site hasn't been updated since last Tuesday?

What day exactly did the PJ announce they were going to sue Clarence?...

docmac said...

Morning little grey emigre,

Agreed, there will be much more to come from this lot. Problem is, the distraction method only works with naughty children.

Child: "I want that toy mummy! Wail, scream, wail, threaten, scream."
Mummy: "Ooh look, sweetheart, a flying pig!"
Child (miraculously recovered): "Where, mummy?"

I don't believe for a moment that those who have seen through the lies and spin are throwing a strop. Well, most of us anyway.

LittleGreyCell said...

Bonjour Docmac,

Did you see my later posts to you last night? Had terrible problems with posting yesterday, and I know I wasn't alone in this.

I think Team McCann are in a complete mess now. From feeling comparatively in charge of the situation, under the comforting protection of Clarrie's ego, they're now being backed into several corners.

I reckon they know the game's pretty much up. Just depends now (IMO) on what final political interference they can muster...

...which might also be the writing on the wall, because the belief is in political circles here is that Gordon Brown is currently in a VERY dodgy position, and if his considerable woes continue to escalate, there's a possibility he might be gone by next week.

Personally, I think this will be averted (although a girl can still have dreams), but there's more to come this session and he's not well liked by even his own party.

:))

docmac said...

LGC

Spot on with the reference to political interference and the deduction that the fortunes of GB are going to have a big impact on their own future.
I did indeed see your posts last night, thank you.

My cupa is empty. Got to get back to my mop and broom. See you later, have a lovely afternoon.

Joe said...

If the Police are looking into Bank accounts of the Tapas 9, then also perhaps other areas of their lives as well. It is often something else that is unearthed, overlooked or hidden that gives the break in a Police case, where one thing leads to another. The secret is why this group allegedly have a pact?

marga said...

MP have enough evidence to charge the couple of neglect.
Moita Floresis saying on SIC TV they should have been charged at the beginning because of the inconsistencies. They have lied from the beginning. Justice was not blind in this case.
They were allowed to flew in spite of having contributed to what happened.

Children's rights in this case were not respected.

Cláudia said...

Moita Flores (an ex PJ) is on Sic saying that he believes they will no doubt be charged with the neglect. He also said that he believes they should have been made arguidos for that crime right away when Madeleine disappeared and when they were caught lying about the distance, for example, and that in his opinion the only reason why that did not happen straight away was because of all the interference.

marga said...

During the Ind. Revolution children were exploited and in the 20th century children's rights have become important so in this case the couples behaviour is compared to Dicken's time according to Dr. Flores.

Cláudia said...

Moita Flores: The McCanns' behaviour was consisted with the 18th, when children had not rights.

marga said...

Hi Cláudia!
Didn't see you are ,too.:-)

LittleGreyCell said...

Docmac,

Same to you!

(You missed a bit over there...)

:)

marga said...

Are we live reporters? LOL

Cláudia said...

I meant that their behaviour was consistent with the 18th century when children had no rights.

Cláudia said...

Marga, lololol
Maybe we are. But I'm not getting paid, sadly.

marga said...

They were hypocrytes.
No one would think it is normal to go out with friends leaving small children by their own.

They should thank some british gods the wy they escaped until this moment!!

marga said...

Neither am I...
Must think of a a way of getting some profit...

Stella said...

Marga Hi,

You could try to sue someone how about Clarence for a years worth of anxiety and distress....I just might join you.

marga said...

Mitchel is a manipulating everything in the couple's and england's interest.

They were interested in suffocating the PJ's work.

Cláudia said...

Marga, we could set up a fund! lololol

marga said...

Cláudia, hernani is on TVI..

LittleGreyCell said...

Joe,

Agree with you totally. The police will have been looking into all aspects of their lives - imagine, if we've only just found out about the bank accounts, what else has been going on that we've not (yet) been privvy to...

I also keep coming back to this strange pact thet have together.

I feel that some of their motivation for sticking together concerns financial affairs, possibly/probably related to the PFI deal in Leicestershire that went belly up just prior to them flying out to Portugal.

But there's definitely something very strong that keeps them all together, isn't there?

Otherwise, why would Jane Tanner dig herself in deeper and deeper? Yes, she has the neglect issue to deal with on a personal culpable level, but that's certainly not as serious as all the aiding and abetting and so on...

marga said...

Stella, Cláudia,

a fund would be a good idea. it would be helpful now that we are facinn a big crisis especially when mortgages are always rising...

marga said...

Again the same idea. The inspectors know what happened...

Stella said...

I wish I could send the PJ a lovely little card to say how much I appreciate what they are doing at the moment, it is always nice to let people know how you feel, don't you think.

marga said...

Atardi,
i also remember that stuff ogf the six months time but if Moita Flores is stating that they are going to be charged they must know what they are saying before open their mouths. Unlike british spin the Portuguese police are coming on a daily basis to the newspapers speaking about the case.
So they must know how to deal with this...

LittleGreyCell said...

For anyone interested, Jackie Ashley's piece in yesterday's Guardian is here:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/21/gordonbrown.economy

It's serious for old Gordon (hurrah!!!), and whilst he may well last the vote next week, there's much more fun to come.

HIS problem is that he has very few friends, even amongst his friends. :)

But even his least ardent admirers will think twice about striking the fatal blow, because the Labour Party is about to get trashed in the May local elections, and they have their own precarious positions to think about in the next general election - not to mention aligning themselves with whoever might turn out to be his successor.

Anyway, the bottom line is that if GB goes, Clarrie, Kate and Gerry might have to start chewing their fingernails.

marga said...

Stella,

but you can do it. Don't you have the email address?
directoria.faro@pj.pt
dic.portimao@pj.pt

marga said...

Sorry for the typos..
hope people don't assess it too seriously when thinking of hiring me...LOL

Stella said...

LGC

I for one will be glad to see the back of Gordon Brown, he always gives me the creeps with that jaw dropping gasp for air thing he does in between sentences. He reminds me of a gold fish. Anyway, the McCann's are only sitting pretty as long as he is on his throne, when he is asked to resign it will be curtains for them all.........yip ee........

Stella said...

Marga, thank you

I did not have those addresses, I am going to compose one of my lovely letters of appreciation and email it to them, let them know they have my support.

marga said...

LGC,
sorry , i'm ignorant what politics especially British is cocerned.. is tere to be elections in May?

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

I can't think of many people who will be sorry to see him go...I think of him as a Dr Who monster...

Cláudia said...

Sorry, Marga. Got a phone call.
Yes, I'm seriously thinking about setting up a fund to help all the people disgusted and affected by CM spin! lololol
It's a shame I have to work this afternoon. I'll have to set it up another time!

marga said...

Stella,
Good idea:-) it.They will appreciate

marga said...

Cláudia,
LOL

I'll send you an email this afternoon.
So many things to do now that I would like to be a multi-tasking nerd...

Stella said...

LGC

Oh yes, can see him now " I am a Brown Dalek, I will exterminate you" gasp for air, gasp for air !!!

Stella said...

Claudia, hi

Can you please set it up soon, because between Gerry, Clarrie and Mr Brown, I keep throwing up. I am running out of sick bags therefore out of pocket, and I am feeling very ill with dehydration, so could I apply to fund first please......lol

LittleGreyCell said...

Marga,

There are local elections on May
1st(for half the country - the areas alternate in going to the polls), but this May also includes an election for the Mayor of London. It won't look good for Gordon B if London switches to a Conservative mayor.

GB is in big trouble, partly because he's abolishing the 10p in the pound tax rate which was designed to help the poorest families in the country. Many in his party are rebelling against this, including some cabinet ministers.

It's a PR disaster with a parliamentary vote on it next week, just days before half the country votes in the local elections (the outcome of which is often seen as a warning to national government as to how the next general election will go).

After this, he has another row over his plans to extend the time suspected terrorists can be detained without being charged (currently a startling 28 days; GB wants to raise it to 42 days).

If you happen upon any spare human rights, would you please forward them to the Concerned Citizens, UK. Thank you.

:)

Cláudia said...

Marga, I won't be back until around dinner time. You know how this last term is. Suddenly kids can't live without you! :-)

Joe said...

LGC,

As both of us say, "the pact". There has to be a reason for that. Even families are not that close. There is something there IMO that binds them together.

On another note I have felt all along, like may posters on this forum that there is /was major political interference in this case and it continues. Mitchell has behaved time and time again like the spin doctor of politicians, not two Arguidos. In the end I do not think we will see justice as many expect but perhaps honest people in the know in the future leaking the facts under threat of libel/defamation lawsuits so that the world will know the facts of the matter.

Cláudia said...

Stella, I'm sorry to dissapoint you but it won't be that easy. I'm thinking about starting the fund but the first money will be used to pay for my family's expenses. I'm also thinking about a new car and maybe a vacation in a very warm, beautiful place! :-)

marga said...

Cláudia,
I do know how it is.
I also have to go in 45'.

LGC,
Thanks.Does it mean GB can be replaced in May?

Stella said...

Claudia

So you will run out of money pretty soon then, I know just sue a newspaper and when you are flush again send me a cheque......lol

Stella said...

Claudia

How rude of me, please forgive my manners, please send me a cheque...

Cláudia said...

Stella, I'm going to ponder on that! ;-)
Marga, I'm also going.

See you all later, guys.
Have a great afternoon.

isis said...

Joe, i think the pact that binds them is the circumstances in which they left the children each night. Remember how lucrative a consultants post is, factor in private clinic work or the prospect of such and the money is huge. 3 mabey 4 of the tapas lot involved imo.

LittleGreyCell said...

Joe,

I used to think there would not ultimately be any charges in this case, but during the past two weeks I've changed my mind...

...I think the biggest thing for me is the PJ suing Clarence Mitchell. I just have a feeling the tide is turning with this.

Also, it has become very clear that the UK police are just as committed to bringing the case to a just conclusion as are the PJ. There would appear to have been a vast amount of joint activity going on. Not something Team McCann would want us to be aware of.

Wanna fiver on the outcome, Joe?

:)

librarising said...

Political interference - it's hard not to believe in this when you think of the instant UK government response to the disappearance. "A British child has disappeared in Portugal - quick, send in the head of the Government Media Monitoring Unit". Oh yeah - for what purpose?

LittleGreyCell said...

Marga,

No, but if the Labour Party loses the parliamentary vote next week on the plans to abolish the 10p tax rate, Gordon Brown will be ousted by his own party as leader.

This is because he has always staked his reputation on helping the poorest in the country, and with so much opposition from his own party against doing something that makes life MORE difficult for the poor, he would lose all credibility and authority within his own party.

If it should come to this, he would resign as leader of the party (i.e. Prime Minister), and an (internal) election process for the new party leader would then be announced, which would take a few weeks to conclude.

The Labour Party would still be the party in government.

Because he is so unpopular (even amongst his own), this scenario could take place at any time during the next two years (at the end of which he has to hold a general election anyway).

marga said...

I've just read this in the 3As.
How stupid some people can be...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/have-you-checked-the-children/2008/04/21/1208742848243.html

LittleGreyCell said...

Librarising,

And remember the British diplomat questioning the order from London about the support they were to give the McCanns - and not Robert Murat...

librarising said...

Kate: " They've taken her! ...Quick, someone monitor the media!"

Stella said...

LGC

I'll have an e-fiver with you. I will bet that somewhere on the back burners in the political A&E department a team are working on a major operation. Once they have severed the loose limb and it is safe to amputate without further damage, charges will be made against 5 of the Tapas group.

librarising said...

LGC - yep. From day one this case has given me the strong feeling that I'm being lied to.

LittleGreyCell said...

Librarising,

"They've taken her! Quick, register her image and start a fund..."

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

Only five of them?

marga said...

LGC,

that is good news.
If here in PT the people responsible for the investigation know the couple have to thank to British gods that helped them escape justice immediately after the crime of neglect have been committed if GB is replaced things can also change regarding the support of the wonder two and friends...
The PJ must know this ,too...

Wizard said...

Hi All, just popping in briefly. A bit off subject but reading back I see you have been discussing Gordon Brown and the jaw dropping and gasping for air thing he does. When he was at school he played rugby and received a serious head/facial injury which has left him blind in one eye and facial muscle wastage. I suspect this slack jaw movement when breathing is due to this accident, otherwise he would have done something about it.

I was listening to Have I Got News for you last Friday and Ian Hislop said to a Labour MP sitting next to him “You didn’t realise how good Blair was until you got rid of him and replaced him with Gordon Brown!.” Says it all really.

LittleGreyCell said...

Marga,

Actually, I think Gordon Brown is seen as a bit of a joke around the world.

Last week he flew to the States to see that other comedian, George W. Bush, but because Bush was entertaining the Pope (who once entertained the McCanns before he thought the better of it), Brown was met on the tarmac by some bloke in a yellow protective jacket.

And Bill Clinton snubbed him at a conference the other day, too.

So he's generally not very well thought of, I think. And if it's ever discovered that he's been aiding the McCanns, well...

Stella said...

LGC

Oops, I meant 7 in total...

Not Diane Webster or Fiona Payne.

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Wizard,

One of Gordon's very own ministers said about him last week that he was put on this earth so we realised how good Tony Blair was...

This is what I mean about even his friends having it in for him!

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

I thought a couple of them had been abducted...

marga said...

Just before I leave..

If the charge against the wonder two will be the case, then believe me some blogs will also gradually diappear..

Dear Leigh,
Slowly.....catch the monkey...


Have all a nice debate..

LittleGreyCell said...

Stella,

Just a thought - why not the other two? Do you think they're completely innocent of perverting the course of justice, should justice have been perverted? Or of obstructing justice?

Diane Webster didn't get up from the table when Kate shouted that Madeleine had gone - why did she not, I wonder?

LittleGreyCell said...

Bye Marga!

Wizard said...

I was just listening to a BBC video from 4th May 07 – its amazing how false it all sounds now a year down the line. Trish Cameron (Gerry’s sister) talking about Kate finding the front door wide open and the windows jemmied.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid ... =1&bbcws=1

Stella said...

Wizard

I never knew that, blind in one eye?? that is quite interesting about his accident, I wonder if it also affected his little grey cells....

Sorry LGC, but you have to ask these things, if our country is being governed by someone not firing on all cylinders it could be very worrying..

Just have to pop out back later, must dash..............

marga said...

LGC and Stella,

and do you remember that comment
of him "being a tiny dot in the world"?

The guy who said this is not an example to be followed. Nevertheless, it was like that joke between the Spanish king Don Carlos and Hugo Chávez: "Porque no te Callas?"

Really off now...

Wizard said...

LGC, Ah...so Hislop nicked it.

Wizard said...

Stella,

Critics of Gerald Ford, a former US president, use to say, what do you expect he played too much college football. This was to account for the mistakes he made. America football and rugby are both physical contact games so perhaps Brown’s rugby exploits have similarly caused problems.

Joe said...

LGC,

I sincerely hope the case is solved and justice is gained for Madeline. It is just that political interference always ever means one thing IMO, cover up. Thats what makes me pessimistic over this case. I agree there appear to have been moves on the part of th PJ and British Police to sort this matter. For the last 10 months or so Mitchell has gone unchecked appearing to act with impunity, creating tension between two sovereign countries that ordinarily it would have the Foreign office having kittens, yet he was allowed free reign until the PJ (not the Foreign Office or other UK authority) put him in his place.

Stella said...

phewww, back now.....

LGC

Diane Webster, I think may have been told by someone not to get up and to stay put. The less she knew the better. Someone as old and as wise as her would not easily get involved in anything underhand in my opinion and could sell her soul in wanting to do the right thing. As for Fiona, this is where it get's interesting. I think she may have been the one to tell her Mother to stay put because she knew something wasn't right. If David had said to her something along the lines of look honey, this could be really bad for all of us it's better that you stay out of it, which a caring husband would say, could be why she did not get involved in any of the so called checks. But this would mean most of them knew prior to going to dinner that night. What a very interesting thought??

Joe said...

Hi Isis,

I agree about their collective circumstances being the basis of the pact to a point. In reality IMO the neglect would be soon forgotten in perspective of the enormity of Madeline's disappearance and any normal people would distance themselves from involvement as soon as popssible, as neglect would be minor in comparison to being suspected of involvement in the child's disappearance. So I think it is more than that.

nancy said...

testing

isis said...

Joe, you may well be right, time will tell i imagine.

Stella said...

Joe

I agree, I still think someone of HUGE importance was there that night who left in a hurry and it is because of this person they are keeping silent in return for protection. Why have they never been stalked by the pap? Who has prevented all that? Why are journalists being prevented from digging deeper? Someone of HUGE importance may have a relative who was in the group? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Joe said...

Stella,

Your scenario would explain a lot. There has been digging by the journalists as you say. I do not really know how it is going to pan out.

Joe said...

Stella,

I meant to say no digging by the journalists, which is unprecedented.

Stella said...

Joe

Exactly, If I were PJ I would speak to the guy who worked on Panorama who stormed out of his job. He may know who is pulling strings and why?

Stella said...

Joe

Many months ago when I kept mentioning this it caused quite a few personal attacks. Every time they get over sensitive about something, you know you are probably onto something......

nancy said...

Hi everyone - I did a test because I thought I'd been drummed out of the leage this morning - it wouldn't take my password and I did it very carefully a few times!! It seems alright now though thankfully.

I reckon it could be that Clarence is being lined up for the job of PM, the way he's controlling everything that gets in his way of late! Imagine him in charge of the country - stranger things have happened!!

Stella said...

Hi Nancy,

Clarence might like the job, but i think he is better suited to working in MacDonalds, he would suit the uniform....

nancy said...

Another superb article Viv -

Madeleine was not just neglected - she died! Even if she was returned by some miracle one of these days she certainly wouldn't be the Madeleine they left to her fate on 3rd May last year!

I think if CM is sued by the PJ's the McCanns can thank their lucky stars they are not lined up alongside him because he is their mouthpiece and whatever he says I'm sure is gone over with them to get the okay!

nancy said...

Stella -

Yes, that's just the right place for him, or Kentucky Fried Chicken - he's always clucking away like an old pink eyed hen!!

Joe said...

Stella,

do the McDonalds uniforms come in pink as Mitchell is partial to pink as we all know?

If I recall correctly, I may be wrong,
but the guy walked out after Panorama because the programme was not hard enough on the PJ, as he believed it was too watered down.

Stella said...

Nancy,

You are right he has been behaving like Mother Hen, so yes KFC would be better.....

Stella said...

Joe

We will never know the full reason why he may have been seen to walk out, at the time he had full control on the content of that program. To then be told what he can and cannot use could be the reason why he left, or maybe he found out far to much and was side stepped like so many others, remember the British Consulate workers based in Portugal in May last year who also mysteriosly changed jobs, if you know what I mean.............

Stella said...

Joe,

Forgot to say he walked before the program was aired, not after....

Joe said...

Stella,

You may well be right. Perhaps he found out something and had to drop it thus resigning in principle. It all adds to our suspicions.

Stella said...

Joe

Leaving one job to go to another is progress, walking out on a highly paid one is suicidal. Not unless you have been perhaps put on "garden leave"...............

Stella said...

Joe

One last thing, as I have said so many times before, through Eddie's findings it is obvious Madeleine died prior to 8 p.m. on the 3rd. This guy must have known what this means, in his position could you keep this quiet?

Ana said...

Hello everyone,Stella,Joe and others that maybe here,

I watch Dr. Moita Flores on TV today and for what I could understand, the couple will be charged and will be charged with negligent, but the more serious one…
He said that the police know and have proves that Madeleine dies, accidentally or not, in the apartment.

IMO They, the police, can not prove the person or persons that had occulted the little one’s body, so unless something new comes up in the future, they have to charge them with negligent for a couple of reasons:

Portuguese Judicial Code
Article 138
Exposure or abandonment

1 - Whom endangers the life of another person:
a) By exposing her in a place where the person is subject to a situation which she cannot defend herself from on her own; or

b) By abandoning her in a defenceless state, for motive of age, physical defect or illness, when the agent had the duty to guard, watch or assist to the person;
is punished with a prison term of 1 to 5 years.

2 - If the fact is practised by an ascendant or descendant, adoptant or adoptee of the victim, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 5 years.

3 - If the fact results in:
a) Serious offence to the physical integrity, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 8 years;
b) Death, the agent is punished with a prison term of 3 to 10 years.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that the Police are focused only in the third option, IMO:

“The formal accusation will have to happen in July, assuming that Maddie have died accidentally in the apartment and that her body will have been later occulted.”-quote 24Horas newspaper.

I know that 24 Horas paper is a tabloid, but in 95% of the times is accurate in their reports and when they are not, they promptly make a apology call in the paper one day or two after the report, this has happened before…

Moita Flores said that, he know that the prosecutor is now preparing the charges and that he( Moita Flores) will have a meeting with Gonçalo Amaral soon, hope that he brings us news…
Charges will be made, we only have to wait and see which ones…

Slowly slowly catch the monkey...


Off now, back later, I hope! :)

Stella said...

Ana

That is such good news, thank you so much for translating it and letting us all know.

I'm off also, see you all tomorrow....

atardi said...

Stella,

Your post at 15.52. Yes a very interesting thought. So the pact was made before the dinner.

Also Rachel Oldfield didn't get involved in the so called cheks.

nancy said...

I bet CM has been in touch with some top flight lawyer aleady to represent him when the libel case against him starts! Of course, he knows plenty of people in the right places to help him in his fight! Although something tells me he won't want to go on the platform with this but will settle out of Court if anything comes of it, as the McCanns did with the DX! It should be very interesting to see how he squirms out of this situation!

nancy said...

Is anyone else having trouble getting their password accepted. Sometimes it accepts it and other times not even though I know I've typed in properly! It's so frustrating!

Nancy

atardi said...

Nancy,

Last night and this afternoon I had some internet problems also.

Niki,

The article in 24 horas was reliable as confirmed by Marga,Cláudia and Ana.

So this is good news. I think CM, and the Mc Canns knew this already. That's why we had the so called leak.

nancy said...

Thanks Atardi -

Some gremlins having some fun with us all perhaps!

Having read all the newspapers there is no news on this case at all.

I expect CM has decided to stay mum for a while before he upsets someone else!

I can't believe all the alleged sightings have rapidly come to a standstill!

Is there any more news on the McCann's request for the Spanish Police to interview the suspected murderer of Mari Luz re Madedleine's supposed abduction?

nancy said...

Stella -

I think the fact that Diane Webster didn't move on the night of the 3rd when told about Madeleine's disappearance, holds up the theory that whatever happened to Madeleine had already taken place on the 2nd May! Any woman who thought a child had just gone missing, whether her child or not, would jump up and rush to look for her along with the others - that would be a natural reaction, so I think she knew that Madeleine was no longer around. Has she not been questioned about her reactions that night I wonder?

marga said...

Nancy,

it seems plausible to me that she stayed there because she already knew a farce was going to take place.

marga said...

Atardi, you must be right , too.
The leak came after someone have leaked information to them about the neglect charge ...

They only forgot the PJ has learned how to deal with people like them throughout these months. They smell a rat even before it appears.LOL

Joe said...

I wonder if the PJ and Prosecutors press ahead with child neglect charges then will they charge any of the Tapas with aiding and abetting in that neglect, as I presume the PJ believe that Madeline died as a result of that neglect? It will probably a complex neglect charge with side issues I presume?

nancy said...

Joe -

Those tapas friends who left their children are just as guilty of neglect as the McCanns, and if the McCanns are charged with that then surely it follows they should be too!. Remember O'Brien and Tanner left a sick child after they found she had been sick on the sheets! Also the fact that they all maintain this was an abduction means it could just as easily have been one of their children involved.

Cláudia said...

Hello, Ana. How are you?
I'm sure that when Moita Flores and Gonçalo Amaral meet it will be privately and we won't know about it. :-)
But that, however, does not mean that we won't know other things. I hope they will be charged with neglect. I've been saying it since DE times, those people are criminals. They commited the crime of neglect. And I, personally, would like to see them pay for it. All of them. However, if they can't be all charged, then I hope the ones whose neglect had the most terrible results will.

marga said...

Do you still remember gerry's arrogant defeat "to find the body"?

Well, they have thought their "British gods" could protect them forever and that the neglect issue could be forgiven. No need to assume their mistake.

And now? What will be their next strategy?

Aren't they tired of this game?
What are their private detectives doing now ?

marga said...

It seems to me their bloggers are already giving up..

Cláudia said...

Marga, as I said yesterday, I believe that those who have something serious to hide cannote ever be free. But maybe now they will have to worry about freedom in the real sense of the word...

marga said...

You are right Cláudia.

As I keep saying" the truth sets you free". Not only in your conscience but also in the real sense.
This quotation from the Holy Bible has already been understood by some genuine people and they have tried to keep to it especially after this case:-)

marga said...

Claudinha,

see you later.
(xtranho o xilenciu dalguns..)

Cláudia said...

Well, Marga, I'm not really a religious person. I was raised a catholic but not a practising one. I believe there is a God or a force or an entity (whatever you want to call it) that guides us. But we are, in the end, responsible for what we do, for our actions and decisions and for the consequences that they bring. Religions were man made. They were constructed by people and were too many times used as an excuse for terrible, unbelievable things. And I do not like the kind of impositions they all put, one way or another, in people's lifes. My God is not one who punishes people and who writes down all our sins. For that we have the law. And we hope it works so all criminals are punished.. :-)

Cláudia said...

See you later, Marga.
Who's silent?

Margarida said...

Hi everyone! Let's hope that it all comes to a conclusion soon, so that Madeleine can be remmembered for her clear and bright smile.This long and muddy months have caused endless moments of agony and pain for so many people, certainly including Gerry and Kate and other family members. Placed before a tragic event in which one plays a part, directly or indirectly, it's damn hard to come to terms with reality and we can make some terrible options. I for one, believe that Kate and Gerry are very deep into a non-return road, independently of whatever the facts are; they have carried this media affair too far. They used it and were used by it in return, with no scrupulous. And in the end it does not payoff, for the media in fact did them no favours, even if it looks like they did. I would understand them better if instead of using and abusing the media they just stayed quiet and silent all the way.
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I am not sure if the other members of the group could be charged with neglecting their kids, but obstruction of justice certainly could be an option for the prosecution.
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I am depressed now. Nowadays, it seems more aand more difficult to be a nice and decent human being.
What's gone wrong with us citizens of the world?

nancy said...

Testing....

Ecolab said...

stella and Joe

stella - Regarding your writing to Joe at 16:05:00 :
” I agree, I still think someone of HUGE importance was there that night who left in a hurry and it is because of this person they are keeping silent in return for protection. Why have they never been stalked by the pap? Who has prevented all that? Why are journalists being prevented from digging deeper? Someone of HUGE importance may have a relative who was in the group? ? ? ? ? ? ?”

Have you not heard the rumours about the Tapas 10 apparently the name John Brown (the elder brother of GB)?
There was a picture of a man boarding an aeroplane in a rush and jetting off Portugal. The picture was all over the posters here in Denmark (newspaper – posters) May the 4. or 5. I don`t recall exactly.

John Brown born `48 in Glasgow – Scotland like his brother GB, almost same age as Dianne Webster.
I think to recall that John has a middlename and is a doctor of some kind!

http://www.geneall.net/U/per_page.php?id=645996

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/09/nrgordon109.xml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465259&in_page_id=1770

nancy said...

I see Gerry hasn't written on his blog since their visit to Brussels! I expect he's too busy and important these days for such a mundane pursuit!

Reading the McCann files really is an eye opener - the amount of public appearances and meetings with the hierarchy and the media in different countries these two have had since Madeleine went missing is beyond belief!

On the 12th July, for instance, Gerry went to the National Police Federations Annual Award for Bravery and was apparently given a standing ovation!! Can you imagine that, a standing ovation for a man who had gone off drinking and eating tapas leaving his three young children indoors! Just what sort of message does that send out? I expect the police thought he was being extremely brave to attend bearing in mind his young daughter had disappeared through his neglect. I suppose he could have been forgiven for keeping his distance but then he doesn't think he did anything wrong, as he could see the apartment from his seat at the tapas bar!

docmac said...

ISIS!!!!!!!!

1-0!!!!!!!

nancy said...

Ecolab -

Everything is so quiet lately, and it can't just be because the PJ's have threatened to sue CM! Just why are there no Paparazzi, as you said, trying to dig up the dirt and get to the bottom of this case?

I remember something about a relation of one of the McCanns left Praia de Luz in a huff - I wonder why that was?

I'm sure that things are going to come out before long that will send out shock waves to certain people who will be running around like headless chickens!

I'm off now to finish watching the football! Goodnight all!

girlguide said...

My theory, for what it is worth, is that there was some major'swinging' occurring,including the elusive John Brown and that that is the main reason for the cover-up and collusion of Tapas 9/10. Hence the need for comatose children.

Cláudia said...

Hello, Margarida. You're right.
And where is Clarie? We all miss him so much.

Ecolab said...

nancy

After the GB election / lack of GB election, things will speed up. It is not easy being both a Scott and also a Freemason at the same time(like GB & GM)!

Have a nice evening

viv said...

Hiya all

Just had a read through but it is looking pretty quiet the calm before the storm and I agree Rosie's blog almost gone with many posters having now jumped ship just like Esther McVey. There as another director left at the same time but I cannot remember who.

Just had a look in at Rosie's and see Jojam was telling it like it is:-)Maybe they are so desperate for posters now, they leave it!
Jojam said...
Hi All, Sass I'm sure you will delete this..........

Just an observation regarding Bianca's outburst yesterday......

IMO this was caused by tulips 13:56post

Bianca reacted badly as she felt she had been called hysterical & a witch...........

I do not consider this any excuse to behave as she did but Tulip was not blameless............

IMO there is no real room for debate on here because the moment any one says anthing remotely critical of the McCann's or questions anything they are either ridiculed, insulted or deleted..........

As someone who can see errors on both sides I see no point in joining a one sided discussion

I wish you all well.......Try to be nice to others & pray for Madeleine & her Family

22 April 2008 12:30

Ecolab said...

girlguide

What is nicer, than a lovely swing after some wine and dine?
Next day you put the children to the crip, while you take a nab and get yourself ready for another swinging night!

;-))

viv said...

Well whilst it is quiet this is quite amusing as another one bounces out:

Tulip said...
Jojam, I take exception to your post. Because you aren't here regularly you have clearly no idea of the Bianca story.

A week or so ago, I wrote that compassion and understanding are often only achieved through personal experience of pain. I then went on to say I wondered what it would take for Bianca to learn compassion.

She completely misunderstood as she never reads posts properly owing to a short attention span.

She then went ballistic, shrieking that I was a witch (stregga), that I had threatened her children (!) and that she wished me every ill in the world and 'would see me in her dreams' ie a curse).

I deeply resent your ignorant comments and am leaving this blog forthwith.

Thanks all. Good luck.

Ana said...

Hello everyone,

Cláudia darling, I’m fine thank you and better now because those criminals are going to be charged!!
I think we will not know what Dr Moita Flores and Dr Amaral will be talking about in their meeting, but Moita Flores has a lot of friends, if you know what I mean…
I would like that all of them would be charged with neglect too, but we know that all of them have their children alive, the only ones that haven’t is the wonder couple…

Di said...

Ecolab

Totally agree, GB's brother was said to be rushed out of Portugal that night and may have been the tapas 10th member, private jet if i remember!!!!!!!

bath theory said...

Surely the point about a private jet is this... Is a private jet big enough to hide a tennis holdall?

bath theory said...

And none of us would believe the missing tennis holdall, if it was put on board such a jet, had only tennis balls in.

Weren't the bag of clothes and shower curtain found on the road to the airport ?

bath theory said...

And if a jet did leave where did it land and who was on it. A log of such things is kept and would not be hard for the Portugese to find.

The only thing that begates this is the DNA in the boot of the car 25 days later...

hope4truth said...

Evening All

Have I missed much???

Is Gina about??? I am going to give a top tip to you all and I know she is the queen of tips dont know if she has given this one though???

Last night I kept loosing my posts I think LGC had the same problem anyway my tip of the day is if you type a long post copy it before you press publish and if it blogs off you can re open and paste it back again...

If you have all been doing this already I have 5 things to say....

"YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME!!!!!!!!!!!"

LOL xxx

Di said...

bath theory..

Is that the bag Gerry denied owning, but we all saw him with it at the Airport and, I believe several eyewitnesses said Gerry brought it with him when playing tennis......But Clarence says he does not and has never owned such a bag..................Lol

Zodiac said...

Hi Viv,

I think the other Director was an uncle of K May Sue McC, Brian Kennedy. The baldy guy who was lapping it up big style in the square in Rothley, when he told reporter's he could not say any more. A female reporter said to another something like this: if he cannot say more why is he still here, look at him he's loving it. What a strange family the reporter said exactly what I was thinking when I saw it.

dolores said...

Nancy,

The rumour going around was that it was G's brother John Mc Cann,who high tailed it out of PDL on the night of the 3rd or early morning of the 4th May in a private plane and that their had been an argument between him and the Mc's he left in a hurry with another person meant to be of 'high importance' in the goverment (I even remember reading about it)but cannot find it anywhere now,as it must have got pulled.Hence the cover up and assistance ever since.
I mentioned this months ago on DX.

Is any person on this earth worth the justice of an innocent and vulnerable, defenceless child ?

XX D

bath theory said...

Best way of copying and is the easiest is to press

Ctrl + C and then dump it in another place with Ctrl + V

Very useful.

Any thoughts on the tennis holdall possibly being in/ on the plane?

Cláudia said...

I totally agree, Ana.
And yes, he does have a lot of friends. Some famous, some not. :-)

bath theory said...

Dolores

Is any person on this earth worth the justice of an innocent and vulnerable, defenceless child ?

Of course for people like us the answer is NO.

But there are many people on this earth who are ultimately selfish, greedy and manipulative. A death is merely an inconvenience.

isis said...

Doc... i know!!!!!!!!!!!

bath theory said...

Di

Yes indeed it is the bag, It is just a thought. Maybe the bag disappeared that night with a body inside or if not a body items that may have been used to clean up etc. With or without the knowledge of those on board. At least it is an idea that has not been discussed and debated fully. Just a thought

bath theory said...

Hi claudia, How is the wind blowin in Portugal any news on the tv?

Ana said...

Yes Cláudia, some famous, some not… :)

viv said...

Hiya Zodiac

Well how strange he stepped down, isnt that the elderly couple who live right by Kate and Gerry and I think her aunt/uncle?

Mind you they had to make way for that grubby solicitor Edward Smethurst. He was even on Panorama, and I read controls M3 with Clarence and Gerrymander.

I certainly think McVey was a smart cookie, she has high aspirations and getting too close to Kate and Gerry could be a real reputation ripper, not that Clarence cares he only has masses of pink shirts to rip up because we kept laughing about them. Went to some old geezers shop and bought himself a ruck of cheap blue serge x suits you sir..

Cláudia said...

Ana, ;-)

Bath Theory, no, nothing new except the news about charging them with neglect.

Di said...

Hope

Thanks for the advice re- posts. I have been having soooooo many problems posting these last few days, I was begining to give up.

Hubby watching footy at the moment so taking advantage for now.

I do think there is more to the person that was removed quickly the night Maddie vanished. Why, was the alarm not raised quicker, IMO to get the person out of the country.........

viv said...

Hiya here is the list of the former directors (from one of my posts in Dec I forgot). I think it is rather strange Kate's uncle Brian stepped down as a director at the same time as McVey. He was a pleasant spokesman for the McCanns, I wonder if there has been a bit of a rift there?
• Peter Hubner; a retired consultant;
• Brian Kennedy, a retired head teacher;
• John McCann, a medical representative;
• Esther McVey, managing director of a public relations & communications company;
• Doug Skehan, clinical director in cardiology at Glenfield Hospital;
• Philip Tomlinson, a retired solicitor and former coroner in Leicestershire;
• Michael Linnett, a retired accountant

Gina said...

hi all, I am still not feeling great but better than yesterday. Had a quick read through. Am I right in assuming the PJ are sure M died in the apartment but no sure who was responsible so cannot charge anyone for it, but are going to charge for endangerment instead. I haven't put that very well I know, blame the paracetamol

Cláudia said...

Gina, from what I understand, the PJ know exactly what happened that night. But as I said before, there is a big difference between knowing and proving it.
Hope you'll be back to your normal self soon.

hope4truth said...

Hi DI

How are you???

It all seems very strange to me there must be records of who was where and who flew out of the country. Maybe the PJ know who it was and it is something that is holding them back???

My Blogger keeps loosing conection very annoying xxx

hope4truth said...

Viv

Was Fiona Philips from GMTV a director or involved????

I dont know why I think she was but I do xxx

hope4truth said...

Gina

HOpe you feel better soon xxx

Di said...

Hi Gina

Sorry you are not feeling well, a word of advice, stay off the web, it is enough to send you scatty.

atardi said...

Hi Marga,

I think you're having your dinner now.

Do you think that their lawyers already received an official letter that state that they will be charged for neglecting Madeleine and the twins?

This could explain the so called leak also.

How much long before a trial must someone receive such a letter?Don't know the exactly law terms.

Zodiac said...

Night all,

I believe that at the very least they should be charged for neglect, the neglect was the catalyst for the circumstances that M may or may not be in now. If this fact is ignored then M (the only victim) is ignored.

bath theory said...

By the way if you want to refresh this page for updates I find the easiest way is to just hit

the F5 button at the top

Basically it is the same as the refresh symbol

viv said...

Nite Zodiac

I am sure they will face charges before September, think we will have to wait and see what they are.

Gina - sorry you have not been well, get better soon for us, we miss you x

Hope

I dont know about the other director you mentio but I think it is odd that when they set up the new webpage not only all gerry's posts and remember way back all those news reports he used to give links to went but also a list of the Fund Directors...WHAT made them go coy about this?

LittleGreyCell said...

Evening everyone,

Why wasn't Tapas 10 content to be identified with the McCanns in Portugal?

Is he married? Did he tell his wife he was on a day trip to Margate? Was he playing hookey from work?

Why was it so important for him not to be seen there?

Would a 'stranger' take a bag containing a body onto a 'plane? Would they have known what the contents were? If not, what was the risk they would have looked into the bag? How would they get pass customs?

Anyone remember Soap? When will i stop asking questions?.......

Di said...

Hi Hope

I am fine thanks...

Just wondered.. If they are all charged with neglect, could they at a later date,if new evidence comes forward,then be charged with more serious charges??????

LittleGreyCell said...

Baththeory,

Cor! Cool tip!

dolores said...

McCanns risk 10 years in jail 24horas

Public Ministry prepares an accusation for Exposition/Abandonment and Negligence against Maddie's parents

Text: Carlos Tomas
Thanks to Joana Morais for translation

"The Public Ministry has collected enough evidence to accuse the McCanns even if there is or not a re-enactment of the facts that occurred in the day the girl went missing". The guarantee was given to 24Horas by a judiciary officer who has been following the investigation. The same source added that the indictment might only take place in July and that the McCanns can incur in a penalty "that can go up to 10 years in jail". Another source connected to the case concluded: "We know that the girl disappeared and there are strong evidences that she died in the apartment, apparently in an accidental way. There are also strong probabilities that her corpse was hidden. Nonetheless, independently from that, there is clear proof under the Portuguese Legislation that the parents of the child left her exposed to an eventual kidnapping, like they did with her twin siblings. That is a crime of Negligence and Exposition/Abandonment over people they had the duty to protect.

Ongoing Investigations

Contacted by the 24Horas, Guilhermino Encarnação, the assistant director of the Judiciary Police and the very person in charge of the Directorship of Faro, merely said: "the investigations continue and when there is something relevant to reveal" about the mediatic case "that will be done through the official channels".

A source from Portimão's Court assured to 24Horas that the Public Prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes, the responsible for the administration of the inquest, is already working in the accusations against the McCanns and that will be made public "very soon". That is, the probability for the McCanns to stop being arguidos in the following months is almost null. 24Horas also knows that Robert Murat and his companion [Michaela Walczuch] have strong possibilities of not being implicated in the accusation.

Di said...

bath theory

Thanks... this is better than classes LOL... keep them coming...

hope4truth said...

Viv

Yes when his web came back lots was missing very strange???

Then what was posted was strange not much of a mention about Madeleine at all...

xxx

hope4truth said...

Di

I have not got a clue about Law but Craig Meehan was arested for downlaoding child pornography and has just been arested for perverting the course of justice so maybe they can?

I dont suppose anything can help Madeleine now it is so sad...

xxx

viv said...

Hiya Di

It is certainly a basic tenet of UK law that whether in civil or criminal proceedings when you go to court about a case arising from a given set of facts you must bring the whole of that case. You cannot come back for a second bite of the cherry. I have posted about this many times.

I am not sure it would work the same in Portugal but I think it is likely and that is the problem, the Portuguese Prosecutor must make a final decision as to what they are actually going to be charged with, I very much doubt it will be on the basis, let us get them for a lesser charge and the we can come back later, this is just not how it works.

The fact of Madeleine being left alone is all part of a more serious set of offending and I still say they will wait until they have the best charges on the evidence collected and prosecute them once and once only. If they decided to just go with child endangerment because they can prove no more imo it will certainly not be with a view to coming back later. Check out the rule on double jeopardy.

Gina said...

Hi claudia/hope, Loads of people have this bug I have got, it is just like having the flu and really annoying. It is strange when the brain is only firing on one cell how you look at things differently. I was just reading the McCann files and the article in the Hastings observer caught my eye. here is part of it
"
Briefly, this is what happens when the national media cover an event to such an extent as to saturate the news with it, until the point where the average person is so bored by the coverage of it that they become apathetic.

I think it came to a head for me when I was working in Essex, and several bored housewives decided they would mark the 100th day since Madeleine went missing with the release of 100 balloons on a school playing field.

I think my first question was, well, why?

And the chief bored housewife organiser did not have an answer.

Okay she did. Her answer was: "To raise awareness."

This was at a point where, even three months after her disappearance, she was still in the press. Awareness? In Braintree? Why?

It was sad then, and it still is now, but I can't bring myself to feel any grief for one particular missing child."

Now do not get me wrong, I am not saying I do not care anymore, but I do sometimes wonder how parents of other missing children must feel about all this attention

Di said...

The one comment I have never understood is, why the PJ say she died in an "accidental way" how would anyone know!!!

hope4truth said...

HI LGC

Did you get my wedding post in the end last night blogger was a pain...

I remeber Soap I was about 11 when that was on...

Hope you are well xxx

viv said...

hope

the difference is in the case you state that Craig's offences do not arise from the same set of facts, they are completely separate offences, so yes he can be charged for another criminal offence. What I am talking about here is the McCanns cannot be charged for neglecting Madeleine and then neglecting her and actually killing her, do you see what I mean it is all part of the same set of facts.

LittleGreyCell said...

Gina,

Very pleased you're on the mend now.

Have to go and watch a programme about Heather Mills...

:)

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Hope,

Yes, I did see it, thanks! Don't know what happened to Google yesterday, but so glad it hasn't happened today.

I was a bit older than 11 - and I'm too old now to remember just how old I was :)

I'm very well, thanks. How are you?

I'm off for a bit to watch Heather Mills (I shall refrain from making a very good joke about what binds her together with the McCanns. Darn it.)

See you later,

X

Gina said...

LGC you said

Have to go and watch a programme about Heather Mills...

At his time of night, you will end up having nightmares!!

hope4truth said...

Viv

That makes sense the two things in Meehans case are not connected...

But the McCann's cant have their crime upgraded (if that makes sense)...

I have no idea about law so thanks for the explenation xxx

Di said...

Lgc

Same here..

Hopefully see you all tomorrow.

xx

Gina said...

Viv, be patient with me brain slow today. So are you saying that if the McCanns are charged with neglect, they cannot later be charged with manslaughter. Easy version answer please :-)

hope4truth said...

I am off may be back later xxx

ratonthebeam said...

Hi guys, I am just looking in quickly tonight, as I have been very busy and so am very tired. Anyway, I found this site on the 3As and I will warn you now, DO NOT LOOK if you are easily offended, but some of it is very, very funny. I swear I think I have broken something, laughing at this. Go here and click the "Satire" button.

It has gone awfully quiet and I think this might just be the calm before the Big Storm.... has anyone heard from Bianca today?!

Gina said...

It's no good, I am falling asleep so have to go. Viv if you come back maybe you can post the answer and I will read it tomorrow.

If the McCanns are charged with neglect can the arguido status for manslaughter remain, or is it lifted automatically is they are charged with something. Nite all

viv said...

Gina I have just typed an answer twice and lost it twice.

But no, no, no, they cannot be tried twice in relation to the same set of facts, it would be a breach of their human rights. It is intensely distressing to face a criminal trial and the police are not allowed to have a dummy run with a lesser offence, learn the McCanns case and then go for something worse that would be blatantly unfair. The rule is also to encourage proper investigation, the police have to know if they dont get it right, they lose!


The PJ have to choose the appropriate charge for what they did and go for it, one time only, I have explained this to people many times.

I cannot explain the law in depth relating to this, it is just too complicated.

Gina said...

Hi Viv, I understand what you are saying and why that is, but the way I see it is this is going to end up with those who think they had something to do with M's disappearance still thinking that, and those who are convinced she was abducted screaming "stitch up to save face". What a bloody mess. Speak tomorrow .-)

viv said...

Hope

You do understand and well put, the the police could not come back at the McCanns with a fresh upgraded model!

As you say with Meehan they are entirely separate offences, they do not arise from the same set of facts.

Viv x

viv said...

Hiya Gina

I do not believe, and never did the McCanns are going to get charged with simple child neglect.

The police know Madeleine is dead and she died in their apartment and so there will be no question of the McCanns saying we got sent to prison for having our child abducted.

I am very tired too have been getting up very early and working xx

Viv x

docmac said...

Viv, I didn't post tonight as I was pretty mad at my team scoring an own goal in the last seconds of the game. However I had to laugh as I have just read that Alsabella has secretly taken over your blog! For the love of Christabel, what is wrong with these people? There are some anon posts from someone who NEVER posts using anything other than her 'true' ID too. Lying seems to be a family trait.

dylan said...

Hi Viv,

No time to read back over posts from today but read your new thread: have to say; very concise, very well written and reflects almost precisely what I/ all of us think - i presume!

I guess we all know each other too spookily well!

Lots of stuff in the press recently about gorgeous [george] all of it very flattering. I hope you saw it. Am beginning to understand what you see in him but my mum told me never to nick another woman's man!! )))

Just watched on tv re Heather Mills. I watched because I never follow tabloid press and was intrigued. I am left none-the-wiser as to my feelings towards her. However, after having said she was abused by her father, in a very rare interview with him, he said he never abused her but was very proud of her [fighting spirit].
Truly shocking! I would never publicly (well at least away from blogs and councillors) reveal about my father or denounce his love for me but if I did, I think i would be terribly hurt if he brushed the abuse off in that way.

Confused now - do I hate her? I don't know. I think she was in it from the start with father. Sickening.

Anyway, off topic. The fact that this came from M3 doesn't surprise me. Nothing about this couple ever will now, IMHO, unless they appear on TV tomorrow and admit the truth & nothing but the whole truth.

The lies, the spin, the deceit the whole tactical shabang would be a comedy of errors if it weren't about a little girl that was abandoned, neglected and sold to the world for a price tag that cheapened her little life....

Shameful.

H4T - if you have posted today, sorry i missed you again. I am away to a sunny place for a few days and I would love to catch up with you when I get back. I have missed you. ask viv for my email if you would like to. oxo

dyl x

dylan said...

Docmac,

Just spoke to my husband on the phone who is a L'pool man. He seemed cheesed off after having watched the match - now I know why, lol :-)

Honestly, you men! When will you learn that no matter how hard you shout "you donkey" at your TV, it won't make the slightest bit of difference to thier performance???!! (obvioulsly Chelsea supporters were more in tune with their sets!)

dx

docmac said...

Hi Dyl :-)))

You would not want to hear the 'conversation' I had with my TV tonight! Does your lesser half watch down pub? If not, you must have a decent sized house if you get a match report by phone ;-)

Come to CT if you want sun. 31C later today in flipping autumn. Madness.

viv said...

Hiya Doc

There are some loopy people about that is for sure, first they say we got took over by Clarence Mitchell and now Alsabella, I have not seen that one:-) but Im sure Alsabella will be just as amused as me by that one! Did you see all the little side notes on Rosie's blog begging for posters but when you read the blog it is the usual nasty war zone with her laying into people on her own blog and yet she wants new posters. This blog does far better with members only! There again I do avoid repeatedly laying into people:-)

Hiya Dyl and nice to hear from you again.

I think there is some divergence of opinion on here, there are quite a few posts above where people think Gordon Brown is involved but I do not subscribe to that one. I think he just chatted to Gerry in the early stages and Gerry is a pretty pushy chap with a clear agenda to pursue after all.

Gordon also had an agenda to pursue as PM in waiting and not the most charismatic soul in the universe. I believe he would now deeply regret talking to him and it was a bad move which neither old Maggie or Blair would have fell for, he just does not seem to quite have that certain something that makes a good PM does he.

I cannot say I liked Maggie (especially her!) or Blair but they were very powerful PM's who in many respects you just have to admire. Both lasted for years!

I am afraid I dont think Gordon will. I also believe that if the McCanns do not get convicted he will cop the blame for that too due to his unwise involvement.

Having said that I do believe the McCanns will be convicted and I also believe it is in his interests to see that we do continue to co-operate fully with the PJ to achieve that aim.

Funny thing is all the supposed sightings have stopped and we never hear a thing from M3 anymore, at least not directly, but clearly they continue their dirty little functions in a more covert way:-)

Nite NIte both x

Viv xxxxx

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