6 Apr 2008

BRILL RESUME CONDUCT MCCANNS AND MY KIDS SNOWY WEEKEND IN WALES

More pics at bottom of article, although not actually of my kids for obvious reasons. "Child endangerment" Calcite wails on the Pros blog, just had to break my cardinal rule and post to point out my "children" who went on this weekend (yes folks without even a babysitter) are 28 and 34! They look a little bigger than Maddie, dont they..





Missing Madeleine McCannby Hazel W.M. McKinlay, Oct 17, 2007

Hazel W.M. McKinlay,Illuminati News
Guest Writer

hree year-old Madeleine McCann and her two year-old twin siblings, were left alone in a ground floor holiday apartment at the Ocean Club in the Algarve, every night, while their parents, Kate and Gerry dined at a Tapas Bar with seven friends, all medical practitioners. The McCann’s believe this was responsible parenting and the Social Services and media agree that at worst they were naive. On Thursday May 3rd Madeleine vanished from her bed without trace and her parents raised the alarm, claiming she had been kidnapped, or “taken” as they prefer to say. The twins sleeping nearby did not wake during the ensuing commotion.
However, I have suspected the parents involvement from the outset, for the simple reason that on the day following Madeleine’s disappearance, when they should have been back at the hotel, in pieces, being comforted by friends and waiting for the phone to ring, (like normal folk) Gerry chose to act as media spokesman, dispensing with intermediaries, such as a liaison officer or lawyer. Instead of speaking from the heart, he read from a script and didn’t choke-up or break down; actually, I have yet to see this “devoted father” shed a real tear.
His wife said nothing, no appeal, no begging or pleading for the kidnapper to return her daughter, not a word. From then on, I began scrutinising their behaviour and demeanour and I bet the Polícia Judiciária did too. Chief inspector Oligeario Sousa went along with the abduction theory to exhaust this possibility, but also to avoid alerting the McCann’s to the fact they were under surveillance. The PJ are not as incompetent as ‘Team McCann’ would have us believe, they were quietly gathering evidence and building their case.
With enough rope to hang themselves, the McCann’s embarked on a tour in Sir Philip Green’s private jet, meeting everyone from Alberto Gonzales to the Pope. What a rare privilege! But not once in their many interviews did they speak loving or comforting words directly to their daughter through the media, regardless of whether she may hear it... Why, because they knew she never would? Apparently the FBI regards this as an indication of guilt. They both discussed the situation in a nonchalant and matter-of-fact manner.
At one point Gerry stated, “We have grieved” which struck me as odd, since you usually grieve for the dead, whereas for a missing child, you continue to worry yourself sick... Nonetheless, they retained their composure and appeared relaxed, blogging about jogging and enjoying “mince and tatties” with the family, nothing about Madeleine though! The British media fawned over the couple, portraying them as saints who couldn’t possibly be guilty, but nobody really knows their true character or what goes on behind closed doors.
One week after the disappearance, they launched a ‘fighting fund’ to find Madeleine, which has accrued a total of £1,091,108.67 donated by genuine well-wishers and rich celebrities. They began a series of tacky publicity stunts, selling ribbons, wrist bands and T-shirts from the online
‘Madeleine Store’ and planned a balloon launch, two weeks in advance, to mark the 50th day of her abduction. How did they know she would still be missing?
Gerry & Kate McCann

There were discrepancies in their version of events. They claimed the shutter was forced, but when that was disputed, they said the door was not locked. Dr. O’Brien left the Tapas Bar for half an hour, supposedly to attend to his own daughter who was vomiting. He then left the sick infant to return to the restaurant. Another negligent parent, or was he attending to something else? The McCann’s friends implicated Robert Murat, by placing him at the scene and Jane Tanner was the only one to see a man carrying a child in a blanket towards the beach. However, the Tapas 9 drank about eight bottles of red and four bottles of white wine. I’m surprised they could see anything! Tanner changed her story four months later, claiming the child was wearing pink pyjamas and the man was heading towards Murat’s house.
When asked about the first thing that crossed their minds when they came back to the room from dinner and realized that Madeleine wasn't there, Kate replied, “I knew straight away she'd been taken” she continued, “well, put it this way: I mean, she hadn't walked out of the apartment.” Gerry said, “When I got there and Kate told me, and when I looked at the scene as well, I had absolutely no doubt.” But Alex Woolfall from the Bell Pottinger PR group said, “They gave no indication that they thought she had been snatched, let alone by a paedophile. Their early assumption was that she had wandered off and had an accident or been taken in by a well-meaning stranger.” So, which was it?
It is alleged that Gerry and a friend were spotted near the Nossa Senhora da Luz chapel on the evening Maddy disappeared. This is the last place police would look for a body and Father Jose Manuel Pacheco, who gave the parents keys to this church was reprimanded and replaced, two days after the “abduction.” I don’t suppose there is much use taking the cadaver dogs to the cemetery, they would go berserk! When it was revealed these dogs had detected the scent of a corpse on Kate’s Bible, clothes and hire car, Philomena McCann exclaimed sarcastically, “What, dogs can talk now?” Er...yes! Not in so many words but by reacting, like Keela the world renowned Springer Spaniel was trained to do.
Madeleine McCann

Only when they became Arguidos, did they begin to describe their predicament with expressions like, “unbearable anguish, extreme distress, pain and turmoil and an unending nightmare...” It’s a pity they didn’t demonstrate these emotions after their daughter vanished. The McCann’s said they were “happy” to assist police if it brought progress to the investigation, yet they refused to answer forty questions. So much for their catch phrase: ‘Leaving No Stone Unturned.’ Then, despite vowing to stay in Portugal, they scurried back home in the VIP lounge of Easyjet!
The McCann’s behaved like the Ramsey’s after Jon Benet’s murder, hogging the limelight, hiding in plain sight.... and like the Ramsey’s, they may well get off Scot free! They have friends in very high places, not least Gordon Brown and his wife Sarah Macaulay whose colleague Julia Hobsbawm is the founder and chief executive of Editorial Intelligence, which is spinning the ‘Immaculate McCann’ fairy stories, she is also an associate of Sir Philip Green. Clarence Mitchell, director of the Government's Media Monitoring Unit, became their spokesman, paid for by an anonymous billionaire benefactor. Hans Christian Anderson was not available!
Gerry hoped to use the fighting fund for their defence against killing her, saying, “It’s a huge disaster, we have this enormous fund and can’t use it for legal fees because we are suspects.” Wouldn’t they rather it was used for its purpose, to find Madeleine? But Sir Richard Branson and Everest Magnate, Brian Kennedy stepped in to cover the exorbitant cost of extradition lawyer Michael Caplan QC who charges £700 per day and successfully defended mass-murderer General Pinochet. With so many Knights of the Empire pulling strings for them, I can’t see a trial materialising, far less a conviction, but “Bring it on!” says Gerry, with four top lawyers waiting in the wings.
Team McCann will claim they cannot receive a fair trial due to the intense publicity, (which they generated) and when that won’t wash, unlike Maddy’s toy ‘Cuddle-Cat’ which Kate uses as a prop, they will insist they are being framed. When forensics refutes that, their defence will depend on the forensic evidence being made inadmissible, due to a bungled preliminary investigation. Sir Alec Jeffreys, the father of DNA fingerprinting from the University of Leicester is prepared to testify in court that his discovery is not worth a jot. In which case everyone who has been acquitted or convicted on DNA evidence should have their cases reopened.
If evidence was planted by the perpetrator, as Kate implies, then we must assume he/she was still lurking around Praia da Luz when their car was hired, but Philomena said on May 12th, "We don't believe that she is in Portugal anymore and need to get her picture and the story across Europe as quickly as possible." They believed Madeleine could be as far away as Argentina! Once again, which is it? If police planted cadaver secretions, then they must have had access to the body, but toxicology tests on hair or fluids would determine if the child was drugged, which could be the most damning evidence of all.
When asked during an
interview if they medicated their daughter, they both smiled. Gerry laughed nervously, averted his gaze, looking downwards and rubbed his ear. This is text book body language of a liar. Kate blinks excessively; often closing her eyes completely and keeps an object between herself and the questioner, the ever present pink ‘Cuddle-Cat.’ When asked awkward questions in a Spanish interview, Gerry stormed out! It doesn’t get more evasive than that.
Caring for three toddlers, all less than three years of age is incredibly stressful. Before she became a suspect Kate admitted that after the twins were born Madeleine “would run up and down screaming in the background, shouting for my attention.” I could almost sympathise with Kate (an anaesthetist) if she sedated them, but what is unforgivable is if they disposed of the body (to avoid an autopsy) without a Christian burial while professing to be devout Catholics. Maybe that’s why they got Ratzinger to personally bless Maddy’s picture.
Gerry has suggested the child was snatched to order by a paedophile ring, yet Kate said, "Madeleine is such a sociable child, so funny and engaging. She has a lot of personality. I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth.” Of the many crass statements this couple have made, this is the most shocking and needs no further comment from me. Their recent outburst, “Find the body and prove we killed her” sounds like a taunt! I believe they concocted the abduction scenario because there was too much at stake, namely their careers, which would have brought an end to their affluent lifestyle. This has not been proven, but if the McCann’s are guilty the implications are monumental.
If they killed their child by accident or otherwise, they covered up a serious crime and unlawfully disposed of the body. They deliberately tried to frame an innocent man, Robert Murat who said, “This has ruined my life and made life very difficult for my family here and in Britain.” Murat insisted, “I've been made a scapegoat for something I did not do.” He is now broke! A Russian who was also wronged, Sergey Malinka said, “I've invested seven years of my life in this country trying to succeed, and suddenly in one hour it's all fallen apart.”
The McCann’s extorted vast sums of money which they knew would never be used to find Madeleine, but was intended for their own expenses. They roped young children into raising cash and collecting donations. Football, rugby and cricket teams assisted in their fraudulent publicity campaign. They knowingly duped millions of concerned people. This deceitful couple betrayed their extended family and their daughter’s twin siblings. Their actions are cowardly and contemptible.
They insulted the integrity of Portuguese authorities and wasted valuable police time and resources. They allowed a bewildered Berber family to be harassed by the press because their daughter resembled Madeleine, and smeared Moroccan Muslims. They tried to engender sympathy for themselves, when it was their own daughter who was the victim. They used and abused her name to evade the law and escape justice. They and their friends have shamed their profession. Who will trust doctors again? Still, Madeleine may yet turn up in the home of some crazy kidnapper, I doubt it, but here’s hoping...























None of these pics identify either of my kids who were there, for obvious reasons, I just put them on for a certain doubting Thomas who was telling me there was no snow in Wales this weekend!






Viv x






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chinadoll said...

Viv,

Do you think this is the same Doubting Thomas as we had on our blog the other day?

Everyone fell for it - in their effort to be nice and pleasant and welcoming.

She turned out to be a nasty piece of work and was there to stir and disrupt.

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chinadoll said...

What I could not understand, was - why did you and Alsabella allow this nutcase any headroom?

How many Areepa's are there - running around creating trouble?

Surely, the out and out nutters should have their posts restricted/vette?

leigh3 said...

Beautiful pictures of beautiful children in a beautiful place on a beautiful day.

Chinadoll: we agree on this one. In all it's sorrow, there is honesty among some people, whether we agree or disagree. We'll rise above it.

Thank you, Viv. As my dear Dad would say: 'It's a beautiful world, whatever its troubles.'

chinadoll said...

Leigh,

Thought I had posted earlier, but it did not appear huh.

What gets me, is what sort of individual can manage to create so many personalities and try to fool both blogs?

Why was she ever accepted....Probably because she first appeared perfectly 'normal'

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atardi said...

See/read you all tomorrow.

leigh3 said...

Supertroll,

I'm told that the innocent twins of the McCanns have their pictures posted on so called 'pro' sites.

Under UK law, the twins faces should be pixilated; blurred; anonymous.

I guess the pro McCanns see the lil twins' lovely faces as another 'marketing ploy'...just as Gerry McCann used Madeleine's eye defect as a 'marketing' ploy (his words).

Children's rights are of no interest to thugs, power brokers, provincial wannabes, it appears. Ipso facto. It is true.

Pictures of Viv's children are unidentifiable. Their cute features could be any teens' features.

Perhaps you might remind McCann supporters that UK child protection agencies prefer the faces of the McCann twins to be pixilated; blocked out; anonymous. If they don't do that, they have no right to complain if others identify the twins. How sad.

Thank you.

chinadoll said...

ST,

Sorry, did not see you there.

I was trying to make a similar point.

If we are incapable of communicating with eachother, then we cannot, ever, possibly even pretend to understand eachother.

leigh3 said...

Hi Chinadoll,

It's the world weird web. I guess we all just have to accept that dishonest people will plague honest inquiry.

We can agree or disagree, sincerely. Maybe we are very old fashioned in believing that. Agree to disagree sometimes.

It's oh so last century! :-) Some people just want to disrupt and upset sincere inquiry.

Hey ho. The world weird web. We just have to ignore disrupters, perhaps?

chinadoll said...

Leigh,

The photographs circulating about the twins and other children of the tapas group, are those that were released in an effort to find Madeleine - when the parents thought they may help or be significant in some way.

Since the McCanns returned home, the image of the twins and any child with them is quite rightly,
obsucured.

Personally, although I know where you are coming from, we have to consider that the historical photos are available worldwide on the web.

Any future images, I agree wholeheartedly, should be sacrosanct.

viv said...

I do not have a clue who areepa is and yes it was Doc who was telling me it did not snow in Wales this weekend, hence the pics. I think you can all be rather paranoid!

Hello Leigh

I think it is a shame the McCanns circulated all those pics of the twins. This is not really keeping them safe is it? I would not even identify my adult children given the hostility that has even been displayed towards my parrot!

Far too many nutters about!

Viv x

leigh3 said...

Oh, but this, Chinadoll:

Mainstream UK Press and media do obscure the faces of the twins because they are subject to UK law, and custom.

I think it is disreputable of so called McCann supporters to show the twins' faces. Poor little babies. Why should they be identified in a set of circumstances which have nothing to do with their will or their welfare?

Just a thought. I accept that my viewpoint can be challenged. I may be very last century :-)

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Cláudia said...

Am I in the wrong blog or what? lololol

Doc, meu amigo, if you're still awake, I got your e-mail and replied but it got returned again. Contact the helpdesk if you can.

Have a great and safe trip. And as for what you said, don't you dare!!!
xxxx

viv said...

Hiya Claudia

They are lovely pics ! I find that like with the DE it does not matter really what the posted topic is people will pursue their own agenda when posting, so it will be business as usual by the looks of things!

Nite darling x

leigh3 said...

S'troll.

You are talking nonsense. I hoped you would step back, and silently, do the right thing.

FFS, provide some leadership to your followers.

Chinadoll clearly has her own mind. She and I have a certain 'history'. We do agree or disagree.

I doubt whether either of us would want to see infants identified, with the prospect of future ridicule in their lives. The twins are entirely innocent. That is why UK law, custom, and media pixilate (obscure) their features.

There is no excuse other than petty 'marketing', courting sympathy for the McCanns, for their features to appear on so called 'pro' McCann sites, imo.

In your opinion, I'm wrong. Tell that to the child protection agencies, and mainstream publishers. They'll tell you how much you are apart of the world WEIRD web, not honest inquiry.

chinadoll said...

Leigh,

Sorry, I had a distraction.

I guess what I am trying to say, is that the pro blog uses hisorical photographs of the children and family, as much as the anti blogs do.........albeit, that one blog distorts the images!!

What we do agree on, is that the remainder of the innocent children in this scenario, should be protected from such tactics and not be subject to any further hurt.

Hope that makes sense.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv.
I wasn't talking about the pictures. I was talking about the posters! I read the first ones and I thought I had clicked in the wrong place. lolol But then I read you and Leigh!

viv said...

Hiya darling yes how weird, they sometimes descend like a pack of vultures, but there again they are always desperately looking for some means of identifying me. I am the gorgeous girl going down the slope and I have a great cosmetic surgeon too:-)

Cláudia said...

Viv, lololol
Honestly, I'm too tired and sleepy to deal with these creatures today. I hope tomorrow they will be back to the place they belong to.
Dorme bem, Viv.
xxxx

viv said...

Claudia, ultimately at night even the Supertroll creature crawls back under its stone.

Rest well darling and enjoy your lovely weather whilst we Brits batten down the hatches and get the heating boiler soaring x


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

leigh3 said...

Chinadoll,

I do see what you are saying, and I wish it was enough to protect the twins.

I doubt that it is. In my opinion, there should be no identification of the twins in any place at any time, henceforth.

Just my opinion. Hey ho. The adult world does what it does. Children have few protectors. They can't vote. They don't earn an income. They're not trend setters or influencers.

Sometimes, Chinadoll, the strong must protect the weak, gratis.

Just my opinion.

leigh3 said...

Boa noite, Claudia x

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leigh3 said...

Good night, Chinadoll.

leigh

viv said...

Chinadoll

It never pays to brag about not being deleted, when you revert to type and start being abusive to posters on this blog, you will be deleted.

Supertroll is deleted as a matter of course because she is an abusive stalker with serious mental health problems who runs a blog specifically to feed her obsessive stalking and hatred of me and others. I would never encourage her to come on here, in accordance with police advice. Many of you associate with her on that blog, conversing with her as though what she write is normal, that I am afraid, tars you with the same brush.

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dolores said...

Viv,
Hi, I hope you are well,Ihave not been around much,as needed a break from the Mc's.Have read a few posts here and there.
I hope all goes well for the PJ tomorrow,and that justice will be on their side for Madeleine sake.


XXD

This article is a very good summary of events up to date and a fantastic reminder of the Mc's shoddy behaviour.It is a good read.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/1018a.html

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leigh3 said...

Chinadoll,

I rarely 'do' emails. Much too 21st century for me, the Luddite!

BTW: I think everyone on any side of this issue gets tetchy at times. You know I do, and I know you do.

I guess we're only human :-) See you next time...

leigh

viv said...

Chinadoll

I can choose my friends and who I want on this blog, I do not bother to post on either Supertroll's or Rosie's blog, I can read the libellous abuse they write if I can be bothered.

Now clear off and dont be such a hypocrite. I do not take orders from McCanns or their supporters, get it?

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viv said...

Hiya Dolores darling

how lovely to hear from you again and hope you are OK. I am going to read your article, thanks and will then be back. I can understand you wanting a break! Justice is arriving in the morning!! Yipee!

Luv Viv x

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viv said...

Brilliant Dolores it is going in as the main post at the top!

Thanks so much!

Viv x

leigh3 said...

Good Evening Dolores of the pink rose.

'...illuminati...' such a fab name. Very appropriate to this story, I think.

Maybe the world weird web will shine on a light on facts. We'll see...

Falling off my perch now. Gotta go.
xo

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viv said...

Chinadoll

I have sometimes thrown parties and had guests like you, you wonder who invited them, where did they come from, and when are they going to leave, bit thick skinned like that, overstay your welcome wherever you go, I suspect. Just dont know when you are not wanted?

au revoir x

leigh3 said...

Night night, Viv.

Beautiful pix, sensitively published, I think. Lovely, especially on a Sunday.
xo
leigh

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leigh3 said...

Chinadoll.

Goodnight to you too. See you next time.
leigh

dolores said...

Viv/Leigh,

I knew you would like it, she has hit on truth of Mc's odd behaviour,and does not hold back what she feels,so much like you and Leigh, she shoots straight from the hip.Such honesty in our press would give them back some respect. IMO

XXXX D

leigh3 said...

Dolores of the pink rose...
Blush :-)

Personally,I think your determination to search out the truth is more impressive. That takes time, and commitment, gratis.

Just like our friend Viv.

This story will run and run; vex many bright minds; upset many people.

Patience and perseverance will be pout to the test, I think.

Just my opinion.

Goodnight, friends of children, whoever you are.
xo
leigh

leigh3 said...

...or put to the test, not pout! Doh!

Definitely time for my bed rest :-)

viv said...

Nite Nite both

I have now added this to the post at the top, clear and insightful. Mind you there will be those that do not like it, any more than they like anything I write on this blog, in search of the truth and Justice for Dear Little Madeleine I can put up with that:-)

Luv to you both
Viv xxxx

dolores said...

Leigh /Viv

Goodnight,sweet ladies,
Who cares if some don't like it Viv,
We do not particulary like what they say,stuff them!! Isay.

xxx D Luv ya back

viv said...

Dolores

Indeed we do not like what they say and yes they can go and get stuffed:-)

Did you read the post earlier on, one called Diane, who sits blogging whilst her two year old eats dog pooh and dog food and then when she caught him considered giving him a good smack?

Supporters of Kate and Gerry McCann, repulsive too, I am afraid.

Vivx

dolores said...

Viv,
I did read it I was mortified.this is what is wrong in society today,instead of taking the time to teach a child what is wrong, just shout at them and give them a good smack, some people need very badly to go to parenting classes.
No wonder she sees no wrong in Mc's.

xx D

viv said...

Hiya Dolores

She said you cannot reason with a two year she does not believe in really battering children just a smack through his nappy so that she gets what she wants.. and they do not even realised how perverted and distorted they are, clearly.

My heart breaks for all little children who have to endure such people for "parents", reading what they write gives me a headache and really makes me feel sick. Each time I promise myself I will never read it again, it is truly horrifying. I suppose we do have to face the reality though that so many children actually do have parents as bad as this. If this is what she admits to on a blog...I really dread to think what else she may be capable of with a child of just two years.

dolores said...

Viv of course you can reason with a 2 yr old,you apply a little psychology,and tender loving care,and not neglect them.I wonder how old she is.

Going to bed now sweetie.
XX D

viv said...

Nite Nite darling

I could always reason with my children when they were two, within reason and never resorted to bullying them, cuddling them and keeping them safe from harm is what matters. Sad this does not occur to some. I think this does explain why they see no wrong in the conduct of Kate and Gerry, they are just as bad!

Viv x

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dianeh said...

Viv/Dolores

Can you please tell everyone how you came up with the idea that I neglect my little boy? I am sure that your fellow posters would like to know just how it is you go about getting your information.

Here, let me tell them, you just made it up taking your cue from my little story yesterday. Read my story as it was meant to be read, as a little anecdote about a little boy having fun in his own fenced in front yard.

If I thought that there was anyone stupid enough to take that little story as proof of child neglect, i would have provided photos and a map, or would you like me to set up a web cam, so you can view my house 24 hours a day to see what my kids get up to.

How pathetic, you are.

Dont let the truth get in the way of a good post, do you?

Now I know for certain where you get your ideas about the McCanns, you just close your eyes and wait for the voices to tell you.

Cheers

viv said...

Daisy dear do they look like children, put your specs on.

Diane I simply posted your comments, touched a raw nerve did I? I hope you think twice before allowing your little boy to play with dog muck/food and then smacking him for it, in future. If I had a child two to care for I would not be sitting on a computer ignoring him as you clearly do!

viv said...

Here is what you said in a couple of posts, I would give up trying to defend yourself if I were you, like the McCanns you just dig a deeper hole. You sit there on that abusive little blog, bragging about how your child eats dog pooh and then you smack him for it. No excuses for what you are. "I believe in smacking, I find reasoning with a a two year to be a waste of time". You are a sick bully and not fit to be in charge of children or dogs from what I read below. I am amazed your poor little boy has not caught a very serious infection. NORMAL TWO YEAR OLDS DO NOT EAT DOG POO..NORMAL MOMS WOULD NOT LET THEM GET ANYWHERE NEAR IT ..neither would they have a "front yard" full of it. How utterly disgusting.

Viv

Hi China

Im still here, just had to run off as little boy had escaped into the front yard (someone left gate open from front verandah) and I found him alternatively filling up the dogs food tub (dry food) with sand and eating said dog food.

And when I picked him up, I got the biggest hug. Probably just distracting me from giving him a big smack. Well it worked. Poor dogs have to put up with sand in their dry food now for a few weeks.

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and another one..

What a fool you are and constantly doing more and more to prove it. Commenting about my parenting style and my apparent lack of supervision of my children is just purely ridiculous. With nothing to go on but your own lame imagination, you have taken what is meant to be a little family tale and tried to turn it into something sinister.

I will let in on a few little secrets

My front yard is fully fenced with pool fencing because I live on a river and dont wish to loose my children to drowning.
Little boy was on his own for about 5 minutes in a fully fenced yard which he cannot get out of.
We keep him out of the front yard because he likes to play in the dog pooh, dog food and eat sand. He is after all a normal 2 you boy.
My partner, who is a very caring person did acknowledge that he had left the gate open but hey, it was an internal gate, into a fully fenced yard. So shoot him.
I believe in smacking, I find reasoning with a 2 yo to be a waste of time. But I luckily usually only have to give a tap on the nappy to get what I want. No pain involved. I dont believe in giving a child a hiding. But I also believe that a parent does their children no favours by not discplining the children and teaching them how to behave. Even when the child is only 2.

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SwedishMum said...

Morning Viv!

I(for some reason) was unable to post here last night, no problem reading but posting: not possible. Anyway, I just wanted you to know that I read your reply.

As I see that the subject of smacking children is still on the agenda, I feel free to once again mention the excellent law we have here in Sweden:

It is a CRIME to smack your children here!

And that is a law a vast majority of Swedes uphold, which may sound strange to people who see smacking as a tool for learning your children how to behave.

x

lorraine said...

Crazy Daisy and Whacky Jacky, Viv isnt here at the moment but I'm sure if you return later she'll ignore you then as well.

SwedishMum said...

Morning all,

we are constantly reminded of how evil the world can be.
A Swedish 10-year old girl is missing since Saturday. The police, her relatives and people living in her area have been searching for her since she disappeared - but so far she hasn't been found.

A few weeks ago I told you about two small children who had been stabbed to death and how their mother had survived the stabbing but was in a critical condition. She has woken up now and has to face the fact that her two babies are gone.

And the killer is still out there. How can anyone be so evil?

lorraine said...

Morning Swedishmum,
I pray that the 10 year old girl is found safe and well. I don't know how this mother is going to cope without her babies, its so tragic. The world is full of evil people, every day we read stories of stabbings and murders and it is getting worse all the time. I feel that until people are made an example of and jailed for the rest of their lives that the problems will get worse. I read a story about someone being jailed for life for murder but they expect to be released after 12 years. Justice is not fair anymore.

SwedishMum said...

Lorraine,

I personally believe in second chances. But having said that, I still think it's wrong when someone who's got a life sentense "expect" to be out in twelve years. Life should be life - with the possibility to get out earlier if you show remorse/regrets and behave in a good manner.

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lorraine said...

jackie,

Pardon me, but you are obviously confusing me with someone who gives a damn. Toddle off, your depriving some village of its idiot.

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nancy said...

To get back on the Madeleine track and ignoring the unwanted visitors,I would just like to say that I think the article by Hazel MacKinlay is superbly thought out and written. If anyone reading it can still trust the McCanns and their friends 100% then they need their head examined!

Viv - I loved the photos too of your obviously adored daughters! I happen to love the snow and miss it here in the Costa Blanca, which only appears on the mountain tops most winters - there is plenty in northern Spain though which is a bit like Scotland with cars piled up on motorways etc.!

Listening to the BBC news this moring when they confirmed the PJ's accompanied by Paulo Ribeiro will arrive tomorrow to question the Tapas 7. It confirmed that the Home Office has already received the questions, something that I find incomprehensible because if the Tapas friends have already been informed of what they are and it appears likely that they have, then they will already have their stories well and truly matching!!!

lorraine said...

Hi Nancy, I'm sure I read that the Home Office had to approve the questions which is why it has taken so long. No doubt the Tapas have been given the questions and if the questions needed to be approved by the HO then i suppose no lead on questions will be asked because they also would need approval. Whatever happened to the element of suprise questions that police use.

2345 said...

ABDUCTION PROVED TO BE IMPOSSIBLE:

Clarification of the McCann case would have “annoying” consequences
06.04.2008, Maria José Santana
Criminal psychologist Paulo Sargento believes the disappearance of the English girl will not have an ending e says it is “impossible that it was an abduction”
06.04.2008, Maria José Santana
11 months after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the same doubt remains: what really happened to the English girl who was on holiday in Praia da Luz, Algarve? To criminal psychologist Paulo Sargento it’s more than certain that the answer to that question will never be known. In fact, if there was to be an ending, “it could have annoying consequences on a political level.”

Why? “It would have to be understood why was there such a big intervention of the English government and why the Portuguese government allowed it”, Paulo Sargento argued.
The criminal psychologist was in Estarreja the day before yesterday, along with Pedro Gamito, a researcher and lecturer who, in partnership with Paulo Sargento, developed a 3D application which deconstructs the abduction theory.
The simulation travelled the world, through some international tv stations, and was the subject of a talk with the students of the Escola Secundária de Estarreja [high school], at the public library.
Paulo Sargento left the conviction that the most mediatized case of the disappearance of a child “will never have a solution”, despite the fact that, “in front of the given data”, hehighligted, “it is impossible that it was an abduction”.
After proving this very theory, through the 3D simulation mentioned above, Paulo Sargento also pointed to the fact that, in a time when the end of Mari Luz case was known – the body of the Spanish girl ended up by being found recently - , Maddie’s disappearance entered “limbo”.
“Because when one of the children was found dead there was the risk of believing the other child could also be dead”, the criminal psychologist specified, after Pedro Gamito already having noticed that one of Gordon Brown’s the most recognizable spin doctors was involved in the case of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
As he recalled, Clarence Mitchell abandoned the post of consultant to the English Prime Minister to become the McCanns spokesperson.
Next May 3 it will have been, exactly, a year over Maddie’s disappearance, without great developments regarding the case which, Paulo Sargento noted, was already able to “weaken” the Portuguese justice.
“Portugal is going to come out really bad from all this”, the psychologist alerted, referring to the fact that the national head of the PJ had publicly admitted that there was “hastiness” in giving the McCann couple arguido status and that, consequently, the Justice minister assured there were to be “no resignations”.

2345 said...

Felicity,

Well done for proving your point - great photos.

I've noticed marked increase in clones on your site, docmac being latest victim.

bianca, delightful Portuguese poster, ardent PJ supporter became Canadian and anti PJ.

clauida/alsa ingenuine - her blog seized and now under DE forum management rediverted there from google.

Severing Portuguese connections and GENUINE information part of game plan - including forum clones.

docmac's intelligence and resources were always seen as a threat. Hope he's ok.

Gina said...

Oh FFS why doesn't everybody give it up knocking each others parenting skills. From what I have been reading lately I sometimes wonder if the writers have reached child bearing age.

It has become a complete waste of time and effort commenting about anything because even if you write an unbiased sensible post it is pasted onto other sites & they take the p-ss out of it.

What is done is done and I doubt very much any action whatsoever will be taken against the McCanns or their friends. IF they are guilty and get away with it, I sincerely hope somebody who can make a difference follows this up and finds out who covered up what. If they are not guilty, then I am sorry they had the suspicion over them for this long, but I will never change my view they could have done something about that long ago.

Re this amber alert system - One thing everybody should remember is it is practically worthless if you take as long as the McCanns did to call the police if your child goes missing - Call them immediately, & apologise later if you made a mistake.

Re bloggers, IMO there are some excellent bloggers on many sites (even if I do not necessarily agree with their views) and there are some absolute arseholes who appear to enjoy ridiculing others rather than making valid sensible comments. IMO the ones they take the p out of are probably the ones they actually think are making a valid point, but who cares I suppose they have to get their kicks where they can.

Have a nice day all will try and read you all later

LittleGreyCell said...

Daisy,

Given that every person on this planet is somebody's child (may not be the case on your particular planet), are you actually advocating not posting any pictures of anyone at all on the internet, whatever age they are?

Is it likely that the young adults pictured on this page are in danger because someone has seen their faces?

Goodness, it's lucky the McCanns can rely on people of such high intellectual calibre for their defence. They must be completely unruffled!

Gina said...

By the way I forgot to mention yesterday when I posted what my (imaginary) detective friend views on this case that we also spoke about the Shannon case. He said although the police got some bad press on it, about the time they had taken etc. it was press opinion. He told me what the police did from day one (not a good idea to publish on here what methods they use) but just to say they were looking at the broader picture from the outset and many phones were tapped immediately and other things put into place. It may appear to be a slow process to get to where they are today but as we all know "innocent until proven guilty" and they will not move in until they have enough evidence to prove guilt. It was my opinion from the outset that we should not rule out a fame and fortune scenario. I wonder where they got that idea from???? Will have to wait and see if this is another figment of my imagination, like my friends etc.

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2345 said...

lorraine,

Last genuine, reliable news from portugal was PJ were preparing for a minimum two month stay to obtain all statements required for Court purposes. Prosecutor rule PJ's visit on basis of evidence he'd examined, i.e. a case to answer.
If this had not been the case, he would have ruled closure last September.

Those PJ needed to interview were -
McCanns first and foremost on all unanswered questions and questioning on ALL new evidence examined by Prosecutor. CM was to be interviewed on his involvement with illegal operators Metado 3,
Tapas Group and long list of independent police witnesses.

Preventing PJ from executing their intentions leaves them completely stymied. To this end this media misinformation is given to manipulate and influence public
opinion.

Aim since September is to get status lifted, overrule Prosecutor, PJ and dossier of damning evidence - misconstrued via CM's media management as 'no evidence' - DE party to game plan -front page pronouncement of 'no evidence'.

Secrecy timescale expires on 14th April - latest CM PR is McCanns want sight of PJ's dossier - of course they do !! Whether this is or is not legally permissible, CM will ensure public broadcast in McCanns' favour, i.e. insufficient, inconclusive etc. over and above the TRUTH.

It is up to a Court to examine ALl the evidence given by Leicester Police and all damning information leaked by frustrated PJ. Normal legal procedures are being prevented - Gordon Brown does not want McCanns found guilty via judicial processes.

DE's announcement was a forewarning of the game in play and the aim ... get status lifted with public support - over and above Court hearing and judgment.

There's a way to go, Mari Luz was murdered, Police do not believe the 'story' told; Metado 3 are actively involved in this on McCanns behalf. Articles on Mari are only ones not wiped by DE.

Public as well as the police are being treated as fools and manipulated with equal contempt.

LittleGreyCell said...

Jackie,

Don't understand your post to me at 10.34, but what does it matter.

And I don't give a t*ss whether you think my posts are clever or not. Why would I be waiting on YOUR opinion of me, for goodness sake?

Ye gods.

2345 said...

gina,

I noticed reporting on the Shannon case is being subjected to influence and misinformation and for McCanns benefit.

The entire family withheld the Uncle's ID and address - had Police known of his existence Police would have found Shannon immediately - he fitted profile given to the family.

In their statement to the press the Police confirmed Uncle's admission of a family scam - hoped to obtain £1 m by criminal deception.

This upsets CM's media plans with the McCanns ... so every headline refers to the Uncle as a "kidnapper". He's become CM's media scapegoat for the family scam. Uncle cut his wrists in custody yesterday and is under suicide watch. He told the Police the truth ... two relatives have been arrested for perverting the course of justice.

McCanns not only inspired a family to plan and organise a multi million pound 24 day search for a child living with an Uncle - a man the police were not told about -
CM's influence with the media is at force in this case.

It's in the McCanns best interests to portray Shannon's case as 'kidnap', not the scam Uncle openly admitted. It seems it's more than he can bear and is under suicide watch.

McCanns are a public menace and have been for nearly one year.
Police findings and comments in a second case are being grossly misrepresented in the media.

LittleGreyCell said...

Docmac,

Don't know if you'll get to see this, but hope you have a good flight. Too late now, but just thought, there are courses you can attend...found this in your neck of the woods (scroll to the bottom of the page in the link):-

http://www.capetownflyingclub.co.za/flying_training.shtml

And there's always hynotherapy.

I was standing in Hope Street not so long ago (my husband is from around those parts). Don't forget to pack your thermals!

Bon voyage!

X LGC and Opus (who also doesn't like flying) :>

Gina said...

Hi LCG - nobody is going to win on this one matey. All have already formed their opinions on posters and even if you say something that they actually agree with they cannot bring themselves to apologise for being wrong and saying so. Waste of time.

I am in grumpy mood today anyway, the weather over here is not what it should be at this time of the year. I went to do some gardening but it is too windy and cold, so now back in doing the bl..dy ironing instead. Dare say I will get bored doing that too in a mo

Gina said...

2345 Although my friend is not personally involved with the Shannon case he is well up to speed on what went on and is still going on. You will surely quite understand that due to past experience it is not prudent to claim to know anything on here so I am not prepared to say what he told me. However, do not believe all you read in the papers and me mindful of the fact that the police will use the papers to their own end also. Do not assume the police did not know where she was sooner and that she was safe.

It is not a nice thing to say, but I think this family did not have enough greycells to pull of a scam such as this and they clearly have no knowledge of the police's abilities. Re the McCanns, no comment as in a grumpy mood and they wind me up even more

2345 said...

jackie/daisy,

Innocent people are not concerned about public opinion nor do they go to bizarre lengths to manipulate and bully others.

As McCann representatives, undoubtly employed on their behalf along with Metado 3, your presence and attitude simply does them a disservice.

Parents' behaviour in parallel cases, Sarah's & Sohom girls serves to confirm the McCanns have never been in the same position.
The parents in both cases were innocent - absolutely no connection with their loved ones deaths or disappearances.

The public were not subjected to threat, menace and insults in either case .... there was no nned to quash evidence and Police information.




Innocent parents have no need to

LittleGreyCell said...

Hi Gina,

No, I know, but I love a challenge!

Thing is, they think they're being really intelligent. I agree with your comment earlier about most of them not being of child-bearing age. They want to play with the grown-ups, but they're just so out of their depth.

And as if any of us on here care a fig for what they think of us! They're still in the playground mentality stage - what a pity Clarence can't help them out today (hope he's having a lovely time telling the police where they've been going wrong).

It's cold here, but sunny. Woke up yesterday to a good few inches of snow! Still, doesn't seem to have killed off many daffodils or buds.

I only iron on an 'as needed' basis. And it's astonishing how many things we have which turn out not to need it anyway...

:)

lorraine said...

This case is not about Madeleine anymore, its a PR campaign by Clarence and the Mccanns to manipulate the public into beleiving what they want us to beleive. They want us to believe that it was right what the Mccanns did and they are deserving people to speak at campaigns for child protection etc. They have been saying for months that if their status is dropped they can concentrate on finding Maddie, what do they have in mind, because they could have been doing it for months, suspects or not. No they didnt want status removed to concentrate on finding maddie, it was to fit in nicely with the agenda Clarrie has set out for them which will will no doubt continue to roll whether Maddie is found or not.

Gina said...

LCG I often wonder if people change character when they start blogging, you know, like care drivers. Nice enough normally but once they get behind the wheel they turn into a completely different person. When I walk away from the computer and go about my daily life I do not even consider what someone in a bar, shop or street thinks about me, but once we get onto these blogs it is like going into another dimension. Very strange, first time I have ever blogged and beginning to think it will be my last once this case is over, unless I can just find a chat about nothing sort of blog

2345 said...

gina,

Thanks for that. I gather from news on TV that as far as the police are concerned there is far more Shannon's case and family than what's been divulged so far. News report stressed the number of detectives still involved despite Shannon being safe. She's apparently with foster parents enjoying a kitten the police provided - the good thing is she's said to be happy where she is.

Hope you and your Rotti's are well - it's cold here and we had snow yesterday.

Zodiac said...

Excellent article Viv/Dolores, I have read it before and it was good to read again. Lovely pics, Viv. It is good see young adults enjoying themselves in the snow, takes you back to when they were little.

The little boy who got the tap/smack on the nappy. He was not at fault, so why the tap/smack. Diane you say you cannot reason with a two year old, how can he understand smacking? Do not be surprised when he starts to interact with other children when he smacks or hits them, you have taught him that.

Nancy - perfume/scent

Argudi - the scent for Men and Women, recommed by the World's leading perfumiers to avoid awkard questions.

ALL IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION.

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Gina said...

2345 The Shannon case is far from over but as you say, at least she is safe and happy and in some ways the family have done her a favour.

Three months ago an Irish teenager, Amy Fitzpatrick went missing in Mijas, Spain and as yet has not been found despite her parents desparate search. No press about her I see.

Re the Rotti - you have got confused. My Rotti died 3 years ago and I now have 2 dogs I rescued from the pound. One is SUPPOSED to be an Alsation but doesn't look or act like one and the other is a collie of sorts. However they are both fine now and thanks for asking- Special request, keep your snow please I cannot cope with the cold

Zodiac said...

Lorraine 11.38pm,

Spot on!

LittleGreyCell said...

Gina,

I know what you mean. This case is the first time for me, too.

I think the anonymity is very tempting for some, but then, you should see my local supermarket where people - even nicely-mannered ones in the normal course of life - get behind the shopping trolley and mow children and old ladies down!

I think some posters get their everyday life frustrations out on here. I can imagine that a lot of them were bullied at school, or are currently being bullied in their jobs. Gives them a certain satisfaction to let others have it in the same way as they've had to take it.

And anyone who believes the McCanns definitely not to have a case to answer - I'm not talking about those who don't know, or who are GENUINELY on the fence - MUST have an agenda for so thinking. It's just not rational otherwise. Cue forum monkeys and sad folk with problems.

How's the ironing going?

Zodiac said...

Calcite51,

The little boy got out into the yard because he was not supervised and an adult left the gate open. How is that the fault of a 2 year old? Why does he deserve a tap or smack?

Madeleine was left unsupervised in an unlocked holiday flat? She could have done the same as Diane's son, got out and wandered into a danger, ie Sea, Roadworks, Sewage holes .....the list could on. Who would be to blame Madeleine or her parents? Madeleine had the same window of opportunity as any supposed abductor...whoosh....click....gone!Is that why it is important that we have to believe this is an abduction? IMHO.

Gina said...

LCG - I am genuinely on the fence because I take the same view as my DI friend. Innocent until proven guilty, but presume ANYBODY could be the guilty party, which is the way the police operate. They are not swayed by emotion or lack of it. So IMO it is ok for people to take the line innocent until proven guilty, but it is foolish to ASSUME there is no possibility of guilt.

The ironing is going very slowly because I am talking to you instead :-)

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Zodiac said...

Calcite51,

Did you read my post. When did I say her son could have fallen into the Sea etc. As usual you cannot answer questions. Hmmmm...who does that remind me of!
IMHO.

dolores said...

Zodiac,
Hi, I cannot believe any parent leaving a baby alone with dogs for 5 minutes,and eating the dogs food.It is not the first time family pets have seriously harmed little ones,and especially taking the dogs food,I shudder at the thought.

xx D

LittleGreyCell said...

On the smacking issue,

I see it as a lazy shortcut for disciplining children, and one in which the parent gets compensated (i.e. takes revenge) for having to deal with the awful behaviour of their offspring. (I obviously believe it's immoral, too).

Bringing children up is very hard. Instilling discipline without recourse to physical threats or actual attacks is extremely difficult. But it can be done.

I've said before that I was a single parent for a few years to my son. He had some appalling tantrums - some in public - as young kids do, and whilst I always dealt with them sternly, I didn't hit him. Afterwards, when he'd calmed down, I explained to him what was unacceptable about his behaviour. The result was that he understood the rules and why they were there, and further, learned to apply self-discipline.

But it wasn't easy; sometimes it was bloody hard. But he came to know where the boundaries were, and always hated for me to be disappointed in him. (He still is).

He's now 16 and I know he can go anywhere and know how to behave. Not through fear, but through understanding and a desire to be a worthy member of society.

I suppose it's partly a self-respect thing, which is difficult to amass if people hit you as a way of communicating with you.

LittleGreyCell said...

Gina,

That's what I mean by being GENUINELY on the fence - you acknowledge there's a POSSIBILITY of guilt. Otherwise, it's not on the fence!
(Wish some others can understand this).

Glad to be of help with the ironing!

:)

docmac said...

Dolores Hi

I left a post for you yesterday but don't know if you saw it. Thank you again for the absolutely hilarious Carol Burnett link!!! :-)

LGC

Thanks for the advice and good wishes. I'll have a soft drink at the Phiharmonic for you. Got to be off to pack (carry on bag only, thank goodness) and practise my deep breathing.

LittleGreyCell said...

Thanks, Docmac,

Nor orange juice though, far too acidic.

:)

Gina said...

What's up doc

How can you have a fear of flying when you fearlessly post on here. Much more scary, bigger risk of getting your head ripped off than anything happening on a flight. Take care, haven't got a clue where you are going, why, and how we will see you, but take care and have a good trip :-)

LittleGreyCell said...

Gina et al,

Now the sun's gone in and it looks like it's going to tip it down, I'm off out.

See you later.

X

dolores said...

Docmac
I am glad you enjoyed it:) I hope this makes you feel better ,as I am sure you will be treated caringly by your flight attendent.Safe journey for tomorrow.


xx D

docmac said...

Cheers, Gina. Thank you very much. Can't stop any longer unfortunately.

marga said...

Hi!

was Shannon's mother arrrested today?

dolores said...

Marga
She was...for perverting the course of justice,no further deatails at the moment.
XX D

marga said...

2345,

thanks for the information about that conference in Estarreja. I have colleagues there and I'll try to get more information about the mood etc.

Joe said...

Shannon Matthews needs security structure, and above all a proper home life something she clearly did not get at home, this hopefully she will now get with her foster parents.

As to the agenda of the McCanns indeed its all laid out for them by their PR team, its amazing how at the very least a bad mistake (leaving children alone),aside from anything else that may have happened, leads to celebrity status. Its bizarre. This week literally distancing themselves(as they fly to Brussels) from the Tapas interviews as if its nothing to do with them at all. At the end of this month the ITV documentary is to be shown, no doubt timed to put a golden glow on these new found celebrities?

marga said...

Have the PJ arrived in Britain?
Heard Heathrow is closed due to the snow.

marga said...

Joe,
ITV should be ashamed of having a documentary with two arguidos and of making them arguido celebrities.
I for one am not going to watch it.
I would puke.

Gina said...

Marga they were due 12.20 I think and they are not scheduled into heathrow, I will check in a minute to see if their flight has landed

marga said...

I'm watching the Portuguese news now. Let's see if there is any news on the PJ arrival.

dolores said...

They are here hurrah. Good luck PJ

SwedishMum said...

Hi Gina/Marga,

The PJ have arrived according to Sky, http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1311972,00.html.

Joe said...

Hi Marga,

Its all part of the PR plan IMO. No, I do not accept that they talked to ITV yet have avoided all other questions and are allowed carte blanche with this whole case and its their daughter thats missing. It just does not sit well with what is the expected norm in life. I will not watch it either as its is bound to be biased, after all Mr.Pink will see to that.

marga said...

Where did they arrive?

Gina said...

Marga I can only presume that as there are not many flights from Portugal that they flew in to Birmingham on ZB4o3 which arrived at 12.48

marga said...

This is no big news her in PT until now.

SwedishMum said...

Marga,

They landed at East Midlands Airport on the flight from Faro (according to Sky)

marga said...

Thanks Gina. I read somewhere the interviews could be done in london. That's why I was asking about Heathrow.

Changed my avatar! A tribute to the PJ and the little girl.

marga said...

SM.
thanks.

Gina said...

Hi Swedish Mum I looked on East Midlands site but it did not show any in from Faro, but maybe I was looking in the wrong place. Actually I don't care if they came in on a broomstick as long as they get to do what they want to do without hinderance and interference

dolores said...

They arrived at East Midlands airport at midday and are now in Leicestershire

Zodiac said...

Marga,

Love the avatar.

SwedishMum said...

Gina,

I have no idea where they flew in and like you I really don't care. However, I think it's a shame if the police aren't allowed to do the work as they are used to do it - I mean if (as been said here) the witnesses have been told about all the questions in advance. Strange way to conduct an investigation IMO.

marga said...

latest news in PT!

Paulo Rebelo and 2 inspectors.

Objective: clarify discrepancies

Interviews on Leicestershire.

They will return on Friday.

Mac Canns in Brussels on Wednesday.

marga said...

Thanks Zodiac:-)

it was also said that there were too many leaks regarding these interviews and that the PJ want secrecy. The PJ used the VIP area in order to avoid journalists at Faro airport.
that's why I couldn't see if our Cláudia was in the team as a translator too :-)

Gina said...

Swedish Mum

We were talking about these alledged question leaks a few days ago and IMO whether anybody is pro or anti they should be concerned that this sort of thing has been allowed to happen. Remember, no way would the PJ have leaked them as it would not be in their interest to do so. This means if there have been leaks it has come from UK sources, and sources that are linked with the case. eg police, solicitors, whoever had the right to see them. Very worrying IMO

marga said...

SM

exactly. But knowing they are on BR soil is a step forward.
At least the tapas won't have their lives easy as many didn't believe the Pj would really go abroad.

Zodiac said...

I hope they have not had access to the questions. Sad day for Britain if they have. Although even they have, JT did not show herself as being a stong person on Panorama and I believe this will be difficult for her and probably the others. As leigh3 say lets hope for 'the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth'. This I believe could be last chance saloon for some. IMHO. The McC's going to be elsewhere, deliberately disassociating themselves. IMHO.

SwedishMum said...

Gina,

As you know I'm on the fence reagrding this sorry case, but I can't see why anyone would want to leak the questions for any other purpose than to disrupt the investigation.
And I honestly can't see why the McCanns or their friends (if innocent) would like to disrupt the investigation - on the contrary, they ought to want the investigation to go on and ought to be helpful in every possible way.
So if it's true that the questions have been leaked ...
Well, that will inspire speculations as to why.

SwedishMum said...

Zodiac,

nice to see you!

marga said...

Gina,

it is worrying but believe the PJ must know how to handle it.

Don't forget if they hadn't strong evidence gathered after September, they weren't be allowed to interview them again... and I'm sure even if some content was leaked, the PJ will have their cards!

SwedishMum said...

Am I right in assuming that it will be the British police conducting the interviews?

Cláudia said...

Hello, everybody.
Don't put much expection on this visit. The script has been handed out and is well rehearsed.

SwedishMum said...

Claudia,

Not expecting too much, but would prefer if you are wrong about the script being handed out.

(Nice to see you again, xxx)

marga said...

But I was reading the news on the DX and it seems Shannon's mother was involved in her abduction together with the man Shannon was found with.

They were perhaps wanting to immitate the M$ C$$ns.

What a sad people these ones. All the circus created around her daughter. The teddy bear and the T shirts!
The world is going crazy!

Cláudia said...

SM, great to see you too.
Unfortunately, I don't think I'm wrong.
xxxx

marga said...

Cláudia,

thought you were in BR at this time:-)

2345 said...

Shannon's mother has been arrested for perverting the course of justice.

In addition to recent arrest of stepfather's mother and sister for perverting the course of justice.

Cláudia said...

Marga, lololol
Actually, I think I'm more useful here! ;-)

marga said...

Cláudia,
What a crazy world we are living in!

BTW the weather is also crazy. I do have the same problems with the blood pressure as you do.

It's raining a lot here. A sudden change.

Joe said...

Claudia is right IMO, the script has been rehearsed for months and 2 certain people do not seem the least bothered about the PJ being in the UK. Speaks volumes.

Zodiac said...

Hi Swedishmum,

Are you still in Australia or home at home in Sweden?

Marga,

I agree with you. This is now over 11 months since M vanished, the PJ will have a strong case. As Gina says it would have been easy for the PJ to take the easy way out from the beginning and go along with an abduction. So much money spent thus far to shelve the case as so many are hoping. This is now the fourth visit by the PJ (that we know, could be more) 2 unknown visits prior to the FSS Birmingham visit and now interviews. What do the McC's do go to another country to associate with a good cause, IMHO.

2345 said...

marga,

Police are not being subjected to Government interference or pressure in Shannon's case. Family members involved in the multi million pound time wasting scam are being arrested.

Conversely, police were prevented from arresting prime suspects in Madeleine's case seven months ago.

marga said...

2345,

wasn't it also for staging the abduction as she was having an affair with that man?

Cláudia said...

Here the weather has also changed, Marga. My blood pressure is normally quite low. At this time of year it is so low it just makes me want to sleep.
It seems the wonder couple have been a great inspiration, don't you think?

SwedishMum said...

Zodiac,

Back home again, trying to adjust weather-wise as well as time-wise. I don't know which is more difficult :-)

marga said...

2345,

how right you are!

Cláudia,

wonder who will be the translators there!

O chabalito num dixe nienté.!

marga said...

Yes what an inspiration!

have to go now. Read you later.

Gina said...

Well all, I sincerely hope whether they are scripted or not the PJ have a couple of cards up their sleeve. Clarence said the discrepancy on times etc. were due to the fact that none of them had watches on or their mobile phones with the. Can you believe that! Surely if you are checking on someones kids and found they were sick or had had an accident or something you would not leave them to walk back to the Tapas bar to get their parents you would call them on a mobile and stay with the child. Having said that we are dealing with a very weird bunch here.

However if the PJ have all the mobile phone records and any of those phones were used for whatever reason during the time they supposedly did not have them, that will prove this to be untrue. Also if they have any CCTV footage of any of them in or out of the tapas bar and they see they are wearing watches that will also prove this to be untrue. If it is untrue why lie about it.

I just hope the PJ have withheld maybe a witness statement or something that they can spring on them without giving them time to think about the answer. However as they are free to walk out of interviews at anytime I guess that is what they would do. The PJ have no more evidence than they had months ago so any questions will be related to what they would have asked months ago if they had been allowed to, and this bloody shower have not done anything to get these questions out of the way and stop all this speculation. No body is going to convince me that any of them have ever put Madeleines best interest first

Cláudia said...

Marga, the translations in this case are a formality. The PJ officers going there perfectly understand what is going to be said. And I don't think they will talk much, to be honest.

As for the other topic, it's not late yet. Maybe he will.

Cláudia said...

Bye, marga.
Read you later.

marga said...

Zodiac,

there must be sth more behind their trip to Brussels.

Are they perhaps afraid of being arrested ?

Just a thought! It's a big coincidence.

marga said...

The Dx is deleting some posts on the Shannon case.

Bye!

SwedishMum said...

Marga,

I noticed that too, posts mentioning McCanns I think.

SwedishMum said...

I'm off too,

Bye all!

2345 said...

Zodiak/swedishmum

Proof Of The Pudding - exactly, Prosecutor ruled multi million euro case existed for Court Judgment.

Lack of progress throughout is due to political intervention, corruption and media manipulation.
This will result in status being lifted, not lack of evidence.

Miliband, who blocked Police in their duty to arrest seven months ago knows the game plan in force; he arranged McCanns visit to European Parliament in Brussels
on the strength of it.

The corruption, lies and deceit in this case almost defy belief.
CM has misinformed the public every step of the way, newspapers have been willing parties.

DE's feigned apology, front page pronouncement of 'no evidence' confirmed the beginning of the end of political strategy to overthrow the Prosecutor and dossier of damning evidence.

In lieu of appropriate legal proceedings and Court Judgment, PR is designed to sway public opinion AGAINST Prosecutor, Police and ALL evidence.

This is the fight Gerry referred to - fighting the Police and hiding the truth with Brown's servant CM at the helm.

2345 said...

marga,

No surprises there !!! Shannon's family were inspired by McCanns criminal deception.

I'm very involved in abuse of the elderly issues and am furious that cash strapped OAPs were conned by McCanns. Their behaviour leaves me speechless with rage ....

2345 said...

claudia,

One thing's for sure, The prosecutor's ruling for PJ to arrive in early March for at least a two month stay to obtain ALL statements required for Courted has been overruled.

I have the article Alsa posted, the McCanns were to face ALL unanswered questions from September and be questioned on ALL news evidence examined by the Prosecutor. CM was to be interviewed on issues of perverting the course of justice, his association Metado 3, their ongoing illegal behaviour, designed to undermine PJ and their file of evidence.

PJ had a lengthy list of independent Police witnesses from whom statements were required for Court and Tapas Group were on the list.

I've always accepted and supported the Police and forensic results publicly released and been continually attacked for doing so.

Prosecutor's perspective was that it would take PJ from early March -
to mid May to collate statements for his examination for presentation to Court alongside ALL PJ's dossier of evidence.

In relation to the Portuguese perspective, all those named by PJ need to be thoroughly questioned and statements obtained a very time consuming exercise. This was their aim.

As two months work of interviewing
cannot be reduced to 3 days, PJ's visit appears to be a time wasting exercise as far as obtaining statements for Court is concerned.

The Prosecutor is not given to wasting PJ's time or financial resources - it took PJ two full days to interview prime suspects seven months ago. 40 Questions are outstanding plus questions on new evidence. A 3 day visit is insufficient time to take statements from all those required - questioning Tapas group alone would be considered pointless without thoroughly requestioning prime suspects and also CM.

The question, as always, is why have Prosecutor & PJ been prevented from working to their procedures required ? This is a MAJOR case for them, involving many people and very serious issues, wasting police time, perverting the course of justice. Leicester Police & PJ have both released forensic results confirming death.

dolores said...

2345,
From what I read in the Telegraph, (Ithink it was)about 2 weeks ago,said that the PJ would be present at the Tapas 3 requestioning, and that the UK police would then continue to question the remaining 24 or so witnesses the Mc's want questioned,after the PJ return to Portugal.That is why the few days here are long enough for the PJ to question the Tapas 3.

Gina said...

I have just been watching the news and the reporter said he has just spoken to Clarence who says that there are some minor points the PJ want clarifying. He said due to the fact that none of the tapas group had watches or mobile phones with them at the time there has been some confusion over the times orginally stated. IF that is true one has to ask why he has only just mentioned this now, and why there was so much tooing and froing getting these questions approved in the first place. I cannot believe in mind wildest dreams that if the tapas group had insisted months ago on wanting to clarify these discrepancies that the PJ would have refused to listen. If the Tapas group have no faith in the PJ why then didn't they just tell the UK police voluntarily (as they are involved too) or even go public on it. If it transpires that this is all that the PJ need to know before concluding there enquiries it is shameful that someone did not take the initiative to sort this out before. How anybody can defend a group of people who have all the backing and finance to have taken action sooner is totally beyond me. I have and still am totally on the fence with regards to what actually happened to Madeleine, but when it comes to the way the whole group have conducted themselves I know exactly where I stand and will always view them as a total disgrace and I sincerely hope the PJ charge the bloody lot of them for neglect now as they deserve to be made an example of.

hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

Just reading back and have been looking at the news and am sad that Shannons Mum has been arested. I know she could still be inocent but it is not looking good and I had really hoped she was not involved so that Shannon would know her Mum at least loved her and did not put her in any danger with a man that was not even related to her.

What is the world comming to when are people going to start putting their children first.

I read a paper from yesterday earlier saying that Shannon did not want to go home because she wanted to stay with the kitten the police had given her. Dont know if this is true or not but I really hope it is because it means she is happy where she is and is hopefully with people who will put her first...

x

Bianca said...

"bianca, delightful Portuguese poster, ardent PJ supporter became Canadian and anti PJ." - [quoting 2345]


What the?

The weirdest bit is "became Canadian" PMSL!

2345, you remind me of Colonel Flag from MASH ("I tell people I'm with the CIA. That's so people from the CID think I'm with the CIC" ....)

sainass said...

Ha ha. Hypocrite.

Luv n' Hugs

http://shadowharmony.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1401&whichpage=8

hope4truth said...

Gina

I am with you on your last post. This is why they look so bloody guilty I'm sorry but for 9 people to go out without a phone or a watch in this day and age has got to be unheard of.

If it had been said in the begining when all the diffrent times were banded about I would still have found it odd but all this time later it is like they are clutching at straws as to what excuse they can make next.

Did no one take a camera out with them that evening? Or all the 100s of photos sent in from other holiday makers not have any of them in shot???

Crazy do they want to find their daughter? Because if she is really missing they have draged this on and on and are to blame for the PJ doubting them in the first place.

J J said...

Maybe I've just been reading this with my fingers crossed.

Lots of people on here have said how upset they are that the Tapas group are getting to see the questions in advance.

I have tried to read this differently, and maybe it means that the Leicestershire police have seen the questions in advance.

Bianca said...

Hope4Truth,

I was also depressed to read that Shannon's mum has been arrested. I hope it's a bum-lead, but as you say, it isn't looking good.

I really hope that we in the western world can start to move away now from some of this ultra-liberal, do-gooder rubbish, and start encouraging basic family values again. I understand that not everyone can have a perfect nuclear family - fine - but seven different children to five different fathers is unacceptable. Odd bods wandering in and out at all hours; mismatched, ill-formed adult relationships, and who always ends up paying? That's right - the children! That "boyfriend" of Shannon's mother was arrested for possession of child porn, for God's sake! What kind of environment is THIS for a little girl to grow up in?? There has to be a limit to what we in this so-called "civilised" society will tolerate. If a mother like Shannon's, for example, keeps having children even though it is obvious she has fallen on hard times and that the babies are all being born to different (and no longer present) men, then a qualified social-worker should be brought in - not to bully or humiliate the mother, but to offer education and guidance. Oh .. and a few sheets of the contraceptive pill wouldn't go astray either!

Gina said...

Hope, exactly. As I said earlier, without facts I would not prejudge guilt, but at the same time just because JT said she saw the abductor that does not mean there was one, so on that score I am fence sitting. But all these little silly comments now, I making me tend to look towards they are hiding something, although I cannot think what they may be. How many times have we heard Clarence say they are all willing to do anything to help, but no they have done nothing, just waited for the PJ to have to get this approval so that they can ask the questions. Maybe the PJ have got it all wrong, who knows, but I still stick by what I have always said, they have the same evidence they have now as they had months ago, and the bloody tapas shower could have forced the PJ into where they are now months ago. It would all have been over and the focus would have been on Madeleine (if she is missing) months ago. So IMO is Madeleine top priorty, NO

Gina said...

JJ

Have you read this

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/

See article posted 2.4.08 re tapas group have seen contents of questions. True/False ???

Gina said...

Bianca, your bottom line says it all :-)

"and a few sheets of the contraceptive pill wouldn't go astray either!

hope4truth said...

Hi Bianca

Something has to change a friend told me Shannons Mum said Shannon and her brother were twins because they were from the same dad? There is something wrong in the world when people dont know the diffrence.

It is to easy to have a child and education needs to improve ...

I have no answers but am going to start looking for some as the country (England) has gone to pot with no respect and even educated Dr's making excuses for neglect.

I still hope she was not involved but it looks bad poor Shannon xxx

Just going to answer Gina then I have to go be back later if you are still awake xxx

hope4truth said...

Gina

When you keep hearing CM saying over and over again K&G will be happy to answer any questions and know damn well that Kate was less than happy to answer them he anoys me because we are not stupid.

They could have helped a lot more but did not want to and the question has to be Why?

If Shannons Step Father had wanted her found he could have told the police what happend he chose not to while enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.

I hope he now enjoys the rest of his life with everyone knowing what a discusting pervert he is...

Got to go see you later xxx

Bianca said...

Gina,

Thanks :-)

I sometimes think it's too easy, or at least, some parents THINK it's too easy, to simply have child after child and live off government benefits. But in the end, it's more trouble than it's worth, for the parents and ESPECIALLY for the poor children!

Gina said...

Bianca, would you mind if I do not get into a debate with you on what you have just said. I think we will be totally agreeing with each other, but the mere subject will send my blood pressure up

J J said...

Gina
Thanks. I had a look at the site, but as I am not fluent in French, I didn't get very far.
It appears to me it is just someones opinion.
I will keep my fingers crossed for Madeleine.
Hopefully this week will see a breakthrough.

Bianca said...

Hi Hope,

That's pretty crazy, i.e., a mother thinking that simply because two children have the same biological father it makes them twins!

What a sad and sorry mess!

But I agree - as you point out, even middle-class doctors are quite capable of seriously neglecting their children, so education on basic, loving child-care is obviously needed across all stratum of society. It probably should start in high-school .. not just the "birds and the bees" talks, but talks on what to do AFTERWARDS as well!

P.S. Will prob be up for another half hour or so :-)

Bianca said...

Gina,

I understand. These can be very emotive topics.

Himself said...

Viv.
A fine post by Ms McKinlay.

I would like to crosspost it if this is agreeable.
Peace.
Himself

Zodiac said...

Gina,

Did CM actually have the brassneck to churn that out on TV, that 9 people did not have a watch or mobile phone between them. My husband and I were out with another couple on Fri. to see a show then on for something to eat between the 4 of us we had 3 watches and 4 mobiles. What a load of BS, IMHO. Their excuses are like their backsides they all have one and they all stink.

Wizard said...

Good Afternoon All,

I can’t help commenting that some people can be lead by example. Ken Livingstone, Mayor or London, 5 children by 3 separate mothers, married none of these women. Ulrika Jonsson 4 children by 4 different fathers. These individuals are allegedly educated but see nothing wrong in what they do - why should others? I know it can be argued these people can afford financially to support their children but promiscuity crosses all social classes and is not only something the well healed can or should do.

In support of Livingstone and Jonsson families they unlike some people from a more traditional style family unit, have not mislaid or lost any of their children it has to be said.

Gina said...

Yep Zodiac, that is what the sky reporter said he had told him today. As I said earlier, if you are checking on other peoples kids it would be a wise move to use mobiles if you need them to come quickly. Still they are not known for wise moves are they, except for publicity ones

Zodiac said...

Gina,

I wonder who came up with that scenario hoping the gullible public would accept it. Oh yes that is why top Police Officer's from Portugal are in the UK to clarrifie that all the inconsistencies are due to 9 educated people not having a watch or mobile when they left their children alone in the apartments to wine and dine 120mts away from them. Thought there was 10 having dinner, did the granny have her phone and watch. Just imagine the interviews with the British Police while the PJ observe, hope they do not burst out laughing. IMHO.

Wizard said...

CM’s comments about T9 not having watches or mobile phones with them on at Tapis Bar. How did Tanner know her daughter was sick and she should return to her apartment if O’Brien was unable to ring her? How many texts did Gerry send before Kate announced Madeleine was taken?

Clarence should watch himself, he surely realises by now his journalistic career is over; therefore he should be careful of details as he will find it difficult to find another employer.

Gina said...

Zodiac, unbelievable to us, but not to some I guess, they seem to be prepared to believe anything.


JJ if you are interested in reading in english
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html

Scroll down to 5th April translation from Journal de noticias

Off now - see you later maybe

2345 said...

True journalism - a reminder:

Missing Madeleine McCann
by Hazel W.M. McKinlay, Oct 17, 2007

Illuminati News Guest Writer

Three year-old Madeleine McCann and her two year-old twin siblings, were left alone in a ground floor holiday apartment at the Ocean Club in the Algarve, every night, while their parents, Kate and Gerry dined at a Tapas Bar with seven friends, all medical practitioners. The McCann’s believe this was responsible parenting and the Social Services and media agree that at worst they were naive. On Thursday May 3rd Madeleine vanished from her bed without trace and her parents raised the alarm, claiming she had been kidnapped, or “taken” as they prefer to say. The twins sleeping nearby did not wake during the ensuing commotion.

However, I have suspected the parents involvement from the outset, for the simple reason that on the day following Madeleine’s disappearance, when they should have been back at the hotel, in pieces, being comforted by friends and waiting for the phone to ring, (like normal folk) Gerry chose to act as media spokesman, dispensing with intermediaries, such as a liaison officer or lawyer. Instead of speaking from the heart, he read from a script and didn’t choke-up or break down; actually, I have yet to see this “devoted father” shed a real tear.

His wife said nothing, no appeal, no begging or pleading for the kidnapper to return her daughter, not a word. From then on, I began scrutinising their behaviour and demeanour and I bet the Polícia Judiciária did too. Chief inspector Oligeario Sousa went along with the abduction theory to exhaust this possibility, but also to avoid alerting the McCann’s to the fact they were under surveillance. The PJ are not as incompetent as ‘Team McCann’ would have us believe, they were quietly gathering evidence and building their case.

With enough rope to hang themselves, the McCann’s embarked on a tour in Sir Philip Green’s private jet, meeting everyone from Alberto Gonzales to the Pope. What a rare privilege! But not once in their many interviews did they speak loving or comforting words directly to their daughter through the media, regardless of whether she may hear it... Why, because they knew she never would? Apparently the FBI regards this as an indication of guilt. They both discussed the situation in a nonchalant and matter-of-fact manner.

At one point Gerry stated, “We have grieved” which struck me as odd, since you usually grieve for the dead, whereas for a missing child, you continue to worry yourself sick... Nonetheless, they retained their composure and appeared relaxed, blogging about jogging and enjoying “mince and tatties” with the family, nothing about Madeleine though! The British media fawned over the couple, portraying them as saints who couldn’t possibly be guilty, but nobody really knows their true character or what goes on behind closed doors.

One week after the disappearance, they launched a ‘fighting fund’ to find Madeleine, which has accrued a total of £1,091,108.67 donated by genuine well-wishers and rich celebrities. They began a series of tacky publicity stunts, selling ribbons, wrist bands and T-shirts from the online ‘Madeleine Store’ and planned a balloon launch, two weeks in advance, to mark the 50th day of her abduction. How did they know she would still be missing?

There were discrepancies in their version of events. They claimed the shutter was forced, but when that was disputed, they said the door was not locked. Dr. O’Brien left the Tapas Bar for half an hour, supposedly to attend to his own daughter who was vomiting. He then left the sick infant to return to the restaurant. Another negligent parent, or was he attending to something else? The McCann’s friends implicated Robert Murat, by placing him at the scene and Jane Tanner was the only one to see a man carrying a child in a blanket towards the beach. However, the Tapas 9 drank about eight bottles of red and four bottles of white wine. I’m surprised they could see anything! Tanner changed her story four months later, claiming the child was wearing pink pyjamas and the man was heading towards Murat’s house.

When asked about the first thing that crossed their minds when they came back to the room from dinner and realized that Madeleine wasn't there, Kate replied, “I knew straight away she'd been taken” she continued, “well, put it this way: I mean, she hadn't walked out of the apartment.” Gerry said, “When I got there and Kate told me, and when I looked at the scene as well, I had absolutely no doubt.” But Alex Woolfall from the Bell Pottinger PR group said, “They gave no indication that they thought she had been snatched, let alone by a paedophile. Their early assumption was that she had wandered off and had an accident or been taken in by a well-meaning stranger.” So, which was it?

It is alleged that Gerry and a friend were spotted near the Nossa Senhora da Luz chapel on the evening Maddy disappeared. This is the last place police would look for a body and Father Jose Manuel Pacheco, who gave the parents keys to this church was reprimanded and replaced, two days after the “abduction.” I don’t suppose there is much use taking the cadaver dogs to the cemetery, they would go berserk! When it was revealed these dogs had detected the scent of a corpse on Kate’s Bible, clothes and hire car, Philomena McCann exclaimed sarcastically, “What, dogs can talk now?” Er...yes! Not in so many words but by reacting, like Keela the world renowned Springer Spaniel was trained to do.

Only when they became Arguidos, did they begin to describe their predicament with expressions like, “unbearable anguish, extreme distress, pain and turmoil and an unending nightmare...” It’s a pity they didn’t demonstrate these emotions after their daughter vanished. The McCann’s said they were “happy” to assist police if it brought progress to the investigation, yet they refused to answer forty questions. So much for their catch phrase: ‘Leaving No Stone Unturned.’ Then, despite vowing to stay in Portugal, they scurried back home in the VIP lounge of Easyjet!

The McCann’s behaved like the Ramsey’s after Jon Benet’s murder, hogging the limelight, hiding in plain sight.... and like the Ramsey’s, they may well get off Scot free! They have friends in very high places, not least Gordon Brown and his wife Sarah Macaulay whose colleague Julia Hobsbawm is the founder and chief executive of Editorial Intelligence, which is spinning the ‘Immaculate McCann’ fairy stories, she is also an associate of Sir Philip Green. Clarence Mitchell, director of the Government's Media Monitoring Unit, became their spokesman, paid for by an anonymous billionaire benefactor. Hans Christian Anderson was not available!

Gerry hoped to use the fighting fund for their defence against killing her, saying, “It’s a huge disaster, we have this enormous fund and can’t use it for legal fees because we are suspects.” Wouldn’t they rather it was used for its purpose, to find Madeleine? But Sir Richard Branson and Everest Magnate, Brian Kennedy stepped in to cover the exorbitant cost of extradition lawyer Michael Caplan QC who charges £700 per day and successfully defended mass-murderer General Pinochet. With so many Knights of the Empire pulling strings for them, I can’t see a trial materialising, far less a conviction, but “Bring it on!” says Gerry, with four top lawyers waiting in the wings.

Team McCann will claim they cannot receive a fair trial due to the intense publicity, (which they generated) and when that won’t wash, unlike Maddy’s toy ‘Cuddle-Cat’ which Kate uses as a prop, they will insist they are being framed. When forensics refutes that, their defence will depend on the forensic evidence being made inadmissible, due to a bungled preliminary investigation. Sir Alec Jeffreys, the father of DNA fingerprinting from the University of Leicester is prepared to testify in court that his discovery is not worth a jot. In which case everyone who has been acquitted or convicted on DNA evidence should have their cases reopened.

If evidence was planted by the perpetrator, as Kate implies, then we must assume he/she was still lurking around Praia da Luz when their car was hired, but Philomena said on May 12th, "We don't believe that she is in Portugal anymore and need to get her picture and the story across Europe as quickly as possible." They believed Madeleine could be as far away as Argentina! Once again, which is it? If police planted cadaver secretions, then they must have had access to the body, but toxicology tests on hair or fluids would determine if the child was drugged, which could be the most damning evidence of all.

When asked during an interview if they medicated their daughter, they both smiled. Gerry laughed nervously, averted his gaze, looking downwards and rubbed his ear. This is text book body language of a liar. Kate blinks excessively; often closing her eyes completely and keeps an object between herself and the questioner, the ever present pink ‘Cuddle-Cat.’ When asked awkward questions in a Spanish interview, Gerry stormed out! It doesn’t get more evasive than that.

Caring for three toddlers, all less than three years of age is incredibly stressful. Before she became a suspect Kate admitted that after the twins were born Madeleine “would run up and down screaming in the background, shouting for my attention.” I could almost sympathise with Kate (an anaesthetist) if she sedated them, but what is unforgivable is if they disposed of the body (to avoid an autopsy) without a Christian burial while professing to be devout Catholics. Maybe that’s why they got Ratzinger to personally bless Maddy’s picture.

Gerry has suggested the child was snatched to order by a paedophile ring, yet Kate said, "Madeleine is such a sociable child, so funny and engaging. She has a lot of personality. I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth.” Of the many crass statements this couple have made, this is the most shocking and needs no further comment from me. Their recent outburst, “Find the body and prove we killed her” sounds like a taunt! I believe they concocted the abduction scenario because there was too much at stake, namely their careers, which would have brought an end to their affluent lifestyle. This has not been proven, but if the McCann’s are guilty the implications are monumental.

If they killed their child by accident or otherwise, they covered up a serious crime and unlawfully disposed of the body. They deliberately tried to frame an innocent man, Robert Murat who said, “This has ruined my life and made life very difficult for my family here and in Britain.” Murat insisted, “I've been made a scapegoat for something I did not do.” He is now broke! A Russian who was also wronged, Sergey Malinka said, “I've invested seven years of my life in this country trying to succeed, and suddenly in one hour it's all fallen apart.”

The McCann’s extorted vast sums of money which they knew would never be used to find Madeleine, but was intended for their own expenses. They roped young children into raising cash and collecting donations. Football, rugby and cricket teams assisted in their fraudulent publicity campaign. They knowingly duped millions of concerned people. This deceitful couple betrayed their extended family and their daughter’s twin siblings. Their actions are cowardly and contemptible.

They insulted the integrity of Portuguese authorities and wasted valuable police time and resources. They allowed a bewildered Berber family to be harassed by the press because their daughter resembled Madeleine, and smeared Moroccan Muslims. They tried to engender sympathy for themselves, when it was their own daughter who was the victim. They used and abused her name to evade the law and escape justice. They and their friends have shamed their profession. Who will trust doctors again?

Gina said...

Wizard if the PJ have their phone records and one of the used it during this time it will prove Clarence is lying, which means I suppose they lied to him. If they have lied I hope the PJ have this evidence up their sleeve

Wizard said...

Gina, I just googled for pics of Kate and Gerry and in every single photograph where you can see their wrists they were wearing watches. Funny they should remove them to go to Tapis bar especially when they needed to see what time it was to check on the children regularly. CM is a liar over this and a very obvious one.

Zodiac said...

CM making the statement regarding the watches and phones actually gives me faith that this is not a case that is going to be shelved as they hope, it smacks of desperation. How on earth they expect the public to believe that is incredulous, just like they expected we would accept that what they did was within the bounds of reasonable parenting, shame on them all. IMHO.

Zodiac said...

Wizard,

Surely he will be accountable by trying to pervert the course of justice. I wonder if he will be questioned about the oh so fake press release of toothman, you know the one that we were supposed to believe was offical, yet there were no representatives from the Police, the same one where no questions were allowed. What utter rubbish, IMHO.

Wizard said...

I agree with you Zodiac hopefully this case will not be shelved. If CM is lying over the watches and phones what else is he lying about. As my earlier post suggested people can be lead by example and perhaps this is an example of the company he’s been keeping lately.

Gina said...

Wizard I never wear a watch I hate them, but I have noticed that people who do, seem to wear them all the time. Now if anybody can believe that on this particular night no one of them had a their watches on or no mobiles, then they will believe anything. Anyway how did they give any times at all in the first place if none of them knew the time, they would have said approx to everything then there would have been no inconsistancies because no actual times would have been given. Heavens knows why the still keep Clarence, everytime he opens his mouth he makes matters worse. I thought by now he would be obsolete (actually he was not necessary in the first place IMO) and the money could have been put to better use.

Bianca said...

2345,

Could you please tell me why you think I am Portuguese when I have lived (and still live) in Sydney Australia all of my life? And could you please tell me what you mean when you say I "became Canadian" and "turned on the PJ"??

That'd be great. Thanks.

Wizard said...

Zodiac, CM tells us he believes the McCanns are innocent, therefore, everything he does is with his employees approval and on their say so. Would he be guilty of perverting the course of justice or could he argue that he naively believed what he was told and was just following orders.

irina said...

Viv, you said it all!!! It's time for answers.

And children are children only for a short period of time, and then they become us.
Madeleine never will, but if she would, she would be entitled to ask: who choose the parents for me? Why me? Why was not I born to Viv or 2345 or Hope or Doc or Dolores, Alsabella or anyone who cares but not these people?

Some children(people) just unlucky. Why can’t they choose parent?

Cláudia said...

I'm starting to believe that there is a requiremente to be a pro: having been subjected to a lobotomy gone really bad.
Anyone who believes this last desperate explanation by CM regarding the watches and mobile phones has no brain cells left.

Wizard said...

Amber alert – This organisation imo is so desperately seeking publicity it is willing to compromise itself and use the McCanns to get its publicity. What sort of organisation is this that would use prime suspects in a child murder case to champion their cause? This is so bizarre I almost think I’m in a parallel universe when I read things like this.

Di said...

Hello everyone

I agree with you all this situation of no watches or mobiles is a joke. As I said yesterday, I have looked back at several photos of Kate and Gerry and I cannot find one where they are not wearing watches. I really do wonder which planet they think we are from.

I am pleased to see Sky News have allowed readers comments to remain . I have had a quick look and not many pro McCann. Those that are, are either give them a break or, they did nothing wrong leaving 3 small children alone as we have all made mistakes.

Yes in life we all do make mistakes and learn from them, but sorry not one like this.

IMO, if the McCanns want to get public opinion back on their side, stay here while the interviews are ongoing, and ask the PJ if you can answer any questions that they feel will help with their enquiries. Being out of the country looks very suspicious in most peoples eyes. Coincidence, I don't think so.

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