Hi All, As I posted back Kate was clearly intimating she would not wish to go back for any reconstruction because she was feeling "emotionally fragile" but then managed to go and face a host of Euro MPs with press flash bulbs and then a press conference as well. Some might think that would be an impossible feat for someone who was feeling fragile. We also noted Clarence's concerned look for Kate with her heavy case, and no doubt considerable trepidation as Gerry just bounded onto the train ahead of her, without so much as a backward glance. Like her knight in shinging armour, Clarence now lays into the PJ over the alleged leak of their statements. But the PJ are hitting back just as hard, confirming they have done no such thing and that Mitchell is just inventing excuses for them not to return. People have suggested to me Mitchell himself leaked these, and I kind of rubbished the idea, but, if they are forced to go back for that reconstruction in accordance with their Arguido status, chances are they will be arrested. So even though leaking the statements is very damaging indeed to the McCanns maybe actually he did, because what could be worse than them being arrested? That is what they so desperately seek to avoid, quite obviously, that is what their "campaign" has been about. Who seriously believes it has been anything to do with finding Maddie? Maybe it is a last ditch and very desperate effort to save the McCanns by highlighting just how apparently unfair and underhand the PJ are..I wonder when we will get 'how can we get a fair trial now'. You can almost bet it is coming.
The article below certainly got me thinking again. The other handy suspects given the leak was made in Spain and perversely the leaker said they are innocent is Metodo 3. I could not get my head around why something so damaging would be leaked and yet the leaker would say but they are innocent. I think I got it now!
Do you remember back in October when Clarence was blasting off the McCanns may sue the Portuguese Police but the Portuguese lawyers were explaining that was hardly credible..posted a good article about that too, underneath from The Daily Mail. Looking back at many of their articles it perhaps is a little unfair to say they have always been on the side of Kate and Gerry!
Oh one last thing, I am sure I am not the only one to notice, the DE removed all their articles, but left the comments, now the comments have gone as well. What a pity, I loved to go back and spend the odd 10 minutes checking "Rosiepops" almost 8000 posts:-) Family member, too right, if not, what incredible devotion to a cause..in the most aggressive McCann type of way, that is. But "she" seems to have lost heart in her own little blog now, wonder why?
Viv x
Portuguese police accuse McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell of 'lying through his teeth'Last updated at 12:16pm on 15th April 2008
The hunt for Madeleine McCann was engulfed in a war of words yesterday as Portuguese police criticised her parents' spokesman.
Detectives denied Clarence Mitchell's claims that police had deliberately leaked statements from Kate and Gerry McCann and said they regretted his 'baseless intervention'. In an astonishing attack today Portuguese police union chief Carlos Anjos told respected Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias: "Mr Mitchell wants to discredit the Policia Judiciaria and invent excuses so the McCanns do not come to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of the night she disappeared.
"He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth.
"Finally we know what side truth is on.
"While the Policia Judiciaria were fulfilling their duty of investigating what happened to Madeleine, her parents' spokesman was manipulating public opinion."
"He needed to find an excuse for the McCanns not to take part in the reconstitution, saying that he doesn't trust the Policia Judiciaria."
In an extraordinary turn of events, Anjos told Jornal de Noticias his union was offering advice to officers who felt they had been identified by Mr Mitchell's leak claims and wanted to take legal action.
Yesterday, in a rare public statement - only the fifth in the 11-month investigation - the Policia Judiciaria said Mr Mitchell should not have spoken out, because the police operation had reached a 'significant' stage. But last night Mr Mitchell insisted he stands by his claims that the statements were 'shamelessly' leaked to overshadow the McCanns' high-profile visit to the European Parliament to promote a missing child alert campaign last week.
Coverage of the visit was dominated by the revelations that on the morning of May 3, just hours before she disappeared from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, Madeleine asked her mother: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"
Mr Mitchell said: "I'm not retracting a word of what I said. The Portuguese police have yet to explain how these statements came to be leaked.
"Their criticism of me doesn't explain how that confidential material came to be made public, and with very curious timing."
He warned police last week that 'the gloves were off' following the leaking of the couple's police statements, and branded the leak 'brazen, shameless and cackhanded'.
Detectives hit back yesterday after a meeting between the head of the investigation, Paulo Rebelo, and public prosecutor Jose Cunha Magalhaes e Menezes.
In a statement posted on the force's website, a spokesman said: "The spokesman for the couple, Clarence Mitchell, publicly expressed the view to diverse media outlets, that he was certain the Policia Judiciaria was responsible for the leaks.
"The PJ want to make it clear that it is entirely false that this report included material from the inquiry, which is covered by the secrecy of justice.
"The PJ regrets the baseless intervention of the spokesman, above all at a moment when significant moves were being made in the investigation."
The police refused to reveal what was meant by 'significant moves'.
The hunt for Madeleine McCann was engulfed in a war of words yesterday as Portuguese police criticised her parents' spokesman.
Detectives denied Clarence Mitchell's claims that police had deliberately leaked statements from Kate and Gerry McCann and said they regretted his 'baseless intervention'. In an astonishing attack today Portuguese police union chief Carlos Anjos told respected Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias: "Mr Mitchell wants to discredit the Policia Judiciaria and invent excuses so the McCanns do not come to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of the night she disappeared.
"He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth.
"Finally we know what side truth is on.
"While the Policia Judiciaria were fulfilling their duty of investigating what happened to Madeleine, her parents' spokesman was manipulating public opinion."
"He needed to find an excuse for the McCanns not to take part in the reconstitution, saying that he doesn't trust the Policia Judiciaria."
In an extraordinary turn of events, Anjos told Jornal de Noticias his union was offering advice to officers who felt they had been identified by Mr Mitchell's leak claims and wanted to take legal action.
Yesterday, in a rare public statement - only the fifth in the 11-month investigation - the Policia Judiciaria said Mr Mitchell should not have spoken out, because the police operation had reached a 'significant' stage. But last night Mr Mitchell insisted he stands by his claims that the statements were 'shamelessly' leaked to overshadow the McCanns' high-profile visit to the European Parliament to promote a missing child alert campaign last week.
Coverage of the visit was dominated by the revelations that on the morning of May 3, just hours before she disappeared from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, Madeleine asked her mother: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"
Mr Mitchell said: "I'm not retracting a word of what I said. The Portuguese police have yet to explain how these statements came to be leaked.
"Their criticism of me doesn't explain how that confidential material came to be made public, and with very curious timing."
He warned police last week that 'the gloves were off' following the leaking of the couple's police statements, and branded the leak 'brazen, shameless and cackhanded'.
Detectives hit back yesterday after a meeting between the head of the investigation, Paulo Rebelo, and public prosecutor Jose Cunha Magalhaes e Menezes.
In a statement posted on the force's website, a spokesman said: "The spokesman for the couple, Clarence Mitchell, publicly expressed the view to diverse media outlets, that he was certain the Policia Judiciaria was responsible for the leaks.
"The PJ want to make it clear that it is entirely false that this report included material from the inquiry, which is covered by the secrecy of justice.
"The PJ regrets the baseless intervention of the spokesman, above all at a moment when significant moves were being made in the investigation."
The police refused to reveal what was meant by 'significant moves'.
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nah let's get The Daily Express instead! but we better leave it a few months to bump the cash up..There was me thinking libel was to protect your reputation and you were supposed to immediately demand they stop the publications. Not the McCann way, you watch and you wait, while your money goes up! Like Clarence kept telling us the other million from kind little old ladies and people on Income Support they scammed was running a bit low..Enjoy your 4 x 4 whilst you can, Gerry x
viv x
McCanns may sue Portuguese police for £1m if Madeleine investigation is closedLast updated at 11:32am on 9th November 2007
Comments (24) Kate and Gerry McCann could sue the Portuguese police for failure to find their daughter, it was claimed yesterday.
The couple could sue for an estimated £1million if the investigation is closed, it was reported.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said it was something the couple's legal team might consider in the future.
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Kate and Gerry McCann could sue for an estimated £1million if the investigation is closed, it has been reported
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Madeleine: Changes in evidence from Tapas Nine could 'dramatically change investigation'
Kate McCann screamed 'They've taken her' from the balcony, police insist
One of the Portuguese lawyers acting for the McCanns, Rogerio Alves, told the newspaper Diario de Noticias: "What has to be done will be done in due time."
A second member of their legal team, Carlos Pinto de Abreu said such a move was "technically possible" but would be difficult in practice.
It would rely on the McCanns being able to prove that Portuguese police had failed to act on information which could have led them to Madeleine.
One of the witnesses who claims to have seen the four-year-old in Morocco has told how police refused to investigate her sighting, saying: "It can't have been Madeleine because we believe she's dead."
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Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 3
Other witnesses have complained that Portuguese police never returned their calls or investigated their sightings.
Mr Pinto de Abreu said: "You would have to prove that it was intentional. It is very, very difficult, almost impossible to do.
"Only if you had information that someone had said they knew where the child was and the police had taken no action.
"It wouldn't be easy but it would be possible."
Asked if it was something he would consider on behalf of the McCanns, he said: "I cannot think about it."
The lawyer said it would not be possible for the couple to sue the Portuguese state for defamation over the decision to make them suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
He said: "The officials have always said that all lines of the investigation remain open.
"That is quite a cautious opinion. That's all they've said."
The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It is something for their lawyers to consider further on down the line.
"The only way this case will close for Kate and Gerry is when Madeleine is found safe and well."
There has been speculation that the case could be closed as early as Christmas
Comments (24) Kate and Gerry McCann could sue the Portuguese police for failure to find their daughter, it was claimed yesterday.
The couple could sue for an estimated £1million if the investigation is closed, it was reported.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said it was something the couple's legal team might consider in the future.
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Kate and Gerry McCann could sue for an estimated £1million if the investigation is closed, it has been reported
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Madeleine: Changes in evidence from Tapas Nine could 'dramatically change investigation'
Kate McCann screamed 'They've taken her' from the balcony, police insist
One of the Portuguese lawyers acting for the McCanns, Rogerio Alves, told the newspaper Diario de Noticias: "What has to be done will be done in due time."
A second member of their legal team, Carlos Pinto de Abreu said such a move was "technically possible" but would be difficult in practice.
It would rely on the McCanns being able to prove that Portuguese police had failed to act on information which could have led them to Madeleine.
One of the witnesses who claims to have seen the four-year-old in Morocco has told how police refused to investigate her sighting, saying: "It can't have been Madeleine because we believe she's dead."
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Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 3
Other witnesses have complained that Portuguese police never returned their calls or investigated their sightings.
Mr Pinto de Abreu said: "You would have to prove that it was intentional. It is very, very difficult, almost impossible to do.
"Only if you had information that someone had said they knew where the child was and the police had taken no action.
"It wouldn't be easy but it would be possible."
Asked if it was something he would consider on behalf of the McCanns, he said: "I cannot think about it."
The lawyer said it would not be possible for the couple to sue the Portuguese state for defamation over the decision to make them suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
He said: "The officials have always said that all lines of the investigation remain open.
"That is quite a cautious opinion. That's all they've said."
The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It is something for their lawyers to consider further on down the line.
"The only way this case will close for Kate and Gerry is when Madeleine is found safe and well."
There has been speculation that the case could be closed as early as Christmas
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Dealt with:-)
Hello Hope4truth, I am the real Gonçalo!LOL
I'm trying to stop, Viv, but this is the way I get when Gonçalo enters the room!
If you don't mind I wouldn't like to get into the specifics. But i think you can say that he is a man of many talents. That's for sure!
luv ya luv ya luv ya too!
Hope, we all fancy him but he luves me more, of course.
Gonçalo, I also luv your belly, hun. I luv everything about ya.
Viv
Fed up never I have been hanging off a cliff face for the past week we were going to leave tomorrow morning but I really needed my own bed so we came home early...
Big sexy PJ that is really funny xxx
Viv, what did you deal with? Did I miss something? I might have been a bit distracted with Gonçalo here!
Interesting piece Viv re Clarence. Perhaps calling them 'Mr & Mrs McCann' and not 'Kate & Gerry' does tell us something. Maybe it is a small sign. Just as we go formal on our children's names when they misbehave this could be a sign of a crack appearing.
A friend of mine believes he has been planted to get the inside story by the powers that be but I believe also that someone who looks like him could well be kind of infatuated with a fit and trim 40 yr old like Kate. Pompous men in history have done all sorts of things to engage themselves with liberal minded women.
I believe strongly in 2 is a company and 3 a crowd so it would be very interesting to see their dynamic now. They got Eurostar didn't they so I wonder why no journalist has written anything about how they all got along on that trip.
Wasn't it reported she was too fragile to go to Portugal to do something that may supposedly help find Madeleine but Belgium was ok. It was okay to promote something that diverts people away from the fact that if they had stayed with 3children under 4yrs of age that night then an amber system was neither here or there.
I believe the tension will out soon in that threesome.
Claudia
You are not trying to stop and you are a naughty funny lady
luv ya luv ya luv ya x
Ana/Goncalo
You are doing a really good job LOL x
Naughy and funny... yeah, he also tells me that all the time! lololol
Goodnight All
I am so tiered and have been dreaming of my own bed since last Friday so I am off...
See you all tomorrow xxx
Good night, Hope!
Hope,
Thank you,I try my best!
Gonç, you do your best, baby!
Hope,
Good Night!
Boa Noite
Beijinhos
Don´t call me baby hun,call me luv, I like it better! LOL
bath theory said...
Interesting piece Viv re Clarence. Perhaps calling them 'Mr & Mrs McCann' and not 'Kate & Gerry' does tell us something. Maybe it is a small sign. Just as we go formal on our children's names when they misbehave this could be a sign of a crack appearing.
Has Mr.Pink had a telling off and is in a sulk? Two is company three is crowd, not room for 3 large egos.
Ok, luv. You do your best, luv. ;-)
I will hun,I will!whoever I hurt!!
Well, I wasn't talking about the case, but it's ok...
Well, what were you talking about then?LOLOL
Goodnight Hope and rest well.
Claudia I just seen Avatar Goncalo next Avatar George and you know Hun they are really alike and I can understand why we both find them so sexy.
Baththeory
I had not seen the change to Mr and Mrs McCann but that could certainly demonstrate a change in his attitude towards them. A bit like the PJ really, having regular update meetings with them but then suddenly they are cold and they do not want to talk to them. It is human nature, not just police investigations that can suddenly bring a certain coldness and formality into a formerly good relationship. Although with the PJ I suspect they never, in fact, had a good relationship with Kate and Gerry, they wanted to kid them along to see what they could learn which is typically good police tactics. You can learn far more from a friend who does not suspect your motives than one who has made himself your enemy. I do think that was the thinking behind Rebelo's remarks when he said it may have been a little hasty in making them arguidos. He meant tactically and it would have avoided the ridiculous McCann media circus in response and the appointment of the meddlesome and time wasting Retardos.
Planted to get the inside story yes that was what I meant too, but it does seem a bit unlikely. I think our second option, he finds Kate vulnerable, feminine and attractive, far more likely! Pompous he is certainly that, his body language is very pompous and aggressive.
That would have been a great scoop for the press looking at how they interacted and behaved on the train as a threesome, it is odd, what our press choose to leave alone, and quite unprecedented in such a case.
I thought that actually when I really looked at the pics and the videos she was pretty fragile on that trip but one can imagine how much freedom of choice she got about that from two very forceful men!
Hideous they took the choice to promote that when as you say but for their own choices ..more cogently because abduction is just such a blatant and obvious lie to anyone with a grain of intelligence and common sense.
Tensions must be rising within this little group tremendously, as Clarence ponders his own position in sticking with them and they ponder just how little he has, in reality, helped them, they are very good at blaming others and it is not difficult to imagine that in their rage and frustration he may cop the blame..anyone but looking at themselves, we know the McCanns so well. It was just like being in your back garden... I tell myself every day I am a good responsible parent. They can tell themselves, but no one is listening!
Come on, Gonç, you know. Don't be shy, luv.
Viv, two whole different kinds of beauty! ;-)
Cláudia,
You naughty naughty girl,but i like it!LOLOL
I know you like, luv. That's why I do it.
What's going on? All the talk of Goncalo. Have I missed some news or is the wacky baccy being passed around ;-)
What happened to 'obsessed'? That was a very brief visit.
Sorry, evening all. Not here for very long.
I have got to go and do some work guys but that does not mean moving from my computer so it is very tempting to keep popping back.
Just wanted to say I have really enjoyed both the serious and the not so serious posts on here again tonight. Am thinking Gonc is a very happy man x
Luv viv x
Viv,
How you dare to campare my beauty with that George?Don´t you like my beautiful moustache and my beautiful belly?He hasn´t nothing like that!
Doc you bugger I was just going!
We dont need that wacky baccy crap thanks! We can be completely frivolous as you know full well!
I just sent a link to a new poster and she immediately signed in as "obsessed". I just thought no way, hun, I met you before , and know full well you are obsessed with me, tara!
Finito x
Viv x
Ana, Hun, what can I say, there is truly nothing to compare, George does not have the lovely belly or the lovely moustache and frankly I dont know how I put up with him, but Lake Como and huge wads of cash does help:-)
Nite Viv x
Come on, Doc, don't be jealous. We all luv Gonçalo but that does not mean we don't luv ya too! :-)
Don't worry, Gonç/Ana, I luv every inch of you, luv.
Ola Claudia
Jealous? Moi? I was just thinking, there is a certain pro who has an unhealthy obsession with your Goncalo. She may be a bit put out by all of this. I'm sure she has fantasies about using that moustache as a seat.
Doc, you have to understand her. She hasn't probably seen a man in a very long time. When she thinks of Gonçalo, she just can't control herself! :-)
True, Claudia, very true.
Can I ask you something?
Of course!
Why do many gay men wear moustaches?
They do? How do you know taht?
To hide the stretch marks :-)))))
Doc lololol
Claudia :-)
Here's some good philosophy for you too, being a teacher and all. I hope our Greek friend is still reading us and will enjoy it.
Next time someone starts to spread gossip, think of this:
In ancient Greece Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom. One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of your students?" "Wait a moment", Socrates replied, "before you tell me I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test".
"Triple filter?" "That's right", Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my student let's take a moment to filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?" "No", the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..."
"All right", said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student something good?" "No, on the contrary..."
"So", Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, even though you're not certain it's true?" The man shrugged, a little embarrassed. Socrates continued. "You may still pass the test though, because there is a third filter - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my student going to be useful to me?" "No, not really..."
"Well", concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither 'True nor Good' nor even 'Useful', why tell it to me at all?" The man was defeated and ashamed.
This is the reason Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem. It also explains why he never found out that Plato (his student) was having an affair with his wife.
Doc, lololol. That's a great lesson! :-)
Yep!
I've got sleeping to do. Seems I cleared the rest of the room anyway! Boa noite querida amiga x.
I think I'll do the same soon! :-)
Dorme bem, querido amigo.
xxxx
Well, my time has come,got to go now,hope my huns had PINK dreams with me,I have work to do,hard work so,
Good Night everyone:)
Boa noite e Beijinhos!
Luv ya lot xxx
Gonçalo Amaral/Ana
Hey, luv.
I'll be right with you in a minute! ;-)
Beijinhos!
Can´t wait!Come soon!
Beijinhos luv,miss ya :)
I'll be right there, luv! :-)
xxxx
Sleep well, all.
Dorme bem, querida Viv.
xxxx
Just popped in and missed you all but nite nite darlings
viv x
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